Mid-Morning Art Thread

The Immaculate Conception
Claudio Coello

Posted by: CBD at 09:22 AM

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1 Nice.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2024 09:24 AM (dN6M3)

2 2

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 16, 2024 09:25 AM (gbOdA)

3 OK, just to make it clear: it is not the conception of Jesus. It is the conception of the Virgin Mary by St Anne.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 16, 2024 09:25 AM (1bNHn)

4 Holy Mary, Mother of God
Pray for us sinners now
And at the hour of our death.

Amen.

Posted by: nurse ratched at October 16, 2024 09:25 AM (dN6M3)

5
Giving this one a bye on the dog/art criterion.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 16, 2024 09:26 AM (EsZUh)

6 Kinda hard to tell what's going on here.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 09:26 AM (v6JzV)

7 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 16, 2024 09:27 AM (Zz0t1)

8 The look on the 2 babies upper right is disturbing.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 16, 2024 09:27 AM (Zz0t1)

9 Would definitely hang.

Posted by: redridinghood at October 16, 2024 09:27 AM (NpAcC)

10
Should have held off on this one until December 8th.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 16, 2024 09:27 AM (EsZUh)

11 What is the significance of the number of stars above her head?

Posted by: 18-1 at October 16, 2024 09:28 AM (oZhjI)

12 Should have held off on this one until December 8th.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 16, 2024 09:27 AM (EsZUh)

The day after the day that will live in INFAMY!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 16, 2024 09:28 AM (Zz0t1)

13 MUSEO NACIONAL DEL PRADO

Paseo del Prado s/n

28014 Madrid

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 16, 2024 09:29 AM (gbOdA)

14 who is being conceived here
also I thought Mary was blonde

I probably need a Sunday school refresher course

Posted by: Don Black reminding you to close cover before striking at October 16, 2024 09:29 AM (/7KEl)

15 I think it looks good, with nice muted colors and lighting. The environs make me think it was shot inside a dryer, when someone was drying a load of babies.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at October 16, 2024 09:29 AM (WPL6O)

16 Why need conception? Apparently babies were just falling out of this broad.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 16, 2024 09:29 AM (YGplp)

17 Should have held off on this one until December 8th.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

December 7th, 1941, a date that will livebin infamy...
Posted by: Franklin Delano Roosevelt

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 16, 2024 09:29 AM (BkKar)

18 also, what do cherubs do? you always see them in these paintings, floating around

Posted by: Don Black reminding you to close cover before striking at October 16, 2024 09:31 AM (/7KEl)

19 I don't see Franco Harris in the picture.

Posted by: spindrift at October 16, 2024 09:31 AM (OguvZ)

20 What is the significance of the number of stars above her head?
Posted by: 18-1 at October 16, 2024 09:28 AM (oZhjI)
*****
12 tribes of Israel and the 12 apostles.

Posted by: redridinghood at October 16, 2024 09:31 AM (NpAcC)

21 Angel garden.

Posted by: huerfano at October 16, 2024 09:31 AM (VGOMa)

22 The look on the 2 babies upper right is disturbing.......
Posted by: Sponge
__________

And she appears to be trampling the one at the bottom. Like she's busting through the line of scrimmage.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at October 16, 2024 09:32 AM (Dm8we)

23 also, what do cherubs do? you always see them in these paintings, floating around
Posted by: Don Black

They're like mosquitoes.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 16, 2024 09:32 AM (BkKar)

24 Not in the Bible
Didn't become church doctrine until 1854
pretty picture though

Posted by: reformation flame war at October 16, 2024 09:32 AM (IQ3vk)

25

Dave's sister?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 16, 2024 09:33 AM (x0n13)

26 Are those cherubs or putoes?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 16, 2024 09:33 AM (YGplp)

27 Dave's sister?
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 16, 2024 09:33 AM (x0n13)

Dave's not here.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 16, 2024 09:34 AM (Zz0t1)

28 And she appears to be trampling the one at the bottom. Like she's busting through the line of scrimmage.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba

Buncha defensive ends & cornerbacks. Not enough sand in their britches to be linebackers.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 16, 2024 09:34 AM (BkKar)

29
What is the significance of the number of stars above her head?
Posted by: 18-1 at October 16, 2024 09:28 AM (oZhjI)

Represents the 12 tribes of Israel. Also in Revelations 12:1, "And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars", who is held to be Mary.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 16, 2024 09:34 AM (EsZUh)

30 Cherubim are mentioned in the Book of Genesis as guardians of the Garden of Eden after the expulsion of Adam and Eve. Their main purpose seems to be glorifying God.

Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at October 16, 2024 09:35 AM (SfhV1)

31 Damn kids, always underfoot.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 16, 2024 09:35 AM (Q4IgG)

32 This depicts how much Jesus loves abortion, right? I'm told Jesus loves abortion.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 16, 2024 09:35 AM (Zz0t1)

33 Represents the 12 tribes of Israel. Also in Revelations 12:1, "And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars", who is held to be Mary.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 16, 2024 09:34 AM (EsZUh)

You mean the 12 tribes of palestine, right? Because there is no Israel only Zuul......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 16, 2024 09:36 AM (Zz0t1)

34 But it's not the 8th of December yet!

Posted by: Pete in Texas at October 16, 2024 09:36 AM (p9rFX)

35 I like it!

Would like it more if it was brighter.

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at October 16, 2024 09:37 AM (gUkTw)

36 Late with the comment, again.

Posted by: Pete in Texas at October 16, 2024 09:37 AM (p9rFX)

37 The Immaculate Conception may not have been declared an official doctrine until 1854 but one of Christopher Columbus's ships was the Santa Maria de Immaculia Concepcion.

Posted by: Archie B's daugher at October 16, 2024 09:38 AM (QoIaU)

38 Where's the football?

Posted by: Franco Harris at October 16, 2024 09:39 AM (Zz0t1)

39 It seems like Mary is always wearing blue and white clothing in paintings. I'm guessing there is a reason for this.

Posted by: dantesed at October 16, 2024 09:39 AM (Oy/m2)

40 Not in the Bible
Didn't become church doctrine until 1854
pretty picture though
Posted by: reformation flame war

So before that did Mary get the side-eye telling the story?

A bit of a "right, Jan" if you will?

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at October 16, 2024 09:40 AM (gUkTw)

41 It seems like Mary is always wearing blue and white clothing in paintings. I'm guessing there is a reason for this.
Posted by: dantesed at October 16, 2024 09:39 AM (Oy/m2)

The poor didn't have a vast wardrobe?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 16, 2024 09:40 AM (Zz0t1)

42 The Immaculate Conception may not have been declared an official doctrine until 1854 but one of Christopher Columbus's ships was the Santa Maria de Immaculia Concepcion.
Posted by: Archie B's daugher

December 23rd, 1972 The Immaculate Reception.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 16, 2024 09:40 AM (BkKar)

43 I think what's going on here is NOT a depiction of the Immaculate Conception as a verb. This work is about the glorification of Mary. She IS the Immaculate Conception, according to Catholics. It's a title for her. There are other symbols and imagery here for her too: the lily and roses, and the crown of stars. She is surrounded by angels and clouds, and glows with this aura, and she stands on an orb. Above her head and in shadow are a crown and I think a rosery. I also think its interesting that as she holds part of her blue cloak to her chest, it takes the shape of a heart.

Posted by: Kris at October 16, 2024 09:40 AM (EwaUh)

44 Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 16, 2024 09:40 AM (Zz0t1)

Good point.

Posted by: dantesed at October 16, 2024 09:41 AM (Oy/m2)

45 >It seems like Mary is always wearing blue and white clothing in paintings. I'm guessing there is a reason for this.
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she went to Penn St

Posted by: Don Black reminding you to close cover before striking at October 16, 2024 09:41 AM (/7KEl)

46 Morning.

Is that Mary Wit Da Cherry?

I didn't realize she was so Italian.

I like this, but the colors are dark and muddy. That blue really pops, though.

Posted by: Robert at October 16, 2024 09:41 AM (gLbZo)

47 Beautiful. Would hang

Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 16, 2024 09:41 AM (YUtTn)

48 Good call Hadrian

Posted by: Skip at October 16, 2024 09:42 AM (w3Xp6)

49 Blue was not an easy color to get in Israel in Mary’s time. They had it but it was reserved for ceremonial garments.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at October 16, 2024 09:42 AM (YGplp)

50 Or it pops compared to everything else.

Uh...would not hang, but would still appreciate in a museum.

Posted by: Robert at October 16, 2024 09:42 AM (gLbZo)

51 Kris at October 16, 2024 09:40 AM (EwaUh)

Her eyes are closed. What's the significance of that?

Posted by: dantesed at October 16, 2024 09:43 AM (Oy/m2)

52 Why is it dark?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at October 16, 2024 09:43 AM (luW68)

53 Cute chubby cherubs galore.

Posted by: Tuna at October 16, 2024 09:43 AM (oaGWv)

54 The Immaculate Conception may not have been declared an official doctrine until 1854 but one of Christopher Columbus's ships was the Santa Maria de Immaculia Concepcion.
Posted by: Archie B's daugher

December 23rd, 1972 The Immaculate Reception.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 16, 2024 09:40 AM (BkKar)

Black Sabbath - Immaculate Deception

https://youtu.be/Wg8OEfBjDB0

Posted by: Robert at October 16, 2024 09:44 AM (gLbZo)

55 This painting is huge, about 7x4.5 ft.

Posted by: Kris at October 16, 2024 09:44 AM (EwaUh)

56
Her eyes are closed. What's the significance of that?
Posted by: dantesed at October 16, 2024 09:43 AM (Oy/m2)

The look of content on her face tells me the virtual insemination was pleasant.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 16, 2024 09:44 AM (Zz0t1)

57 51 Kris at October 16, 2024 09:40 AM (EwaUh)

Her eyes are closed. What's the significance of that?
Posted by: dantesed at October 16, 2024 09:43 AM (Oy/m2)

=======

She just can't even with you people anymore.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 16, 2024 09:45 AM (GBKbO)

58 re: 24 - While for Catholics, Scripture is not the only carrier of Revelation, most Catholics would see Mary's Immaculate Conception (her being conceived without Original Sin) as an inference from Gabriel's announcement 'Hail, full of grace.' Of course, there are alternative translations but much of the motivation for the alternative translations comes a desire to undermine Catholic doctrine so they should not be taken too seriously. Having said that, the idea that Mary was conceived without Original Sin has been a controversial one. St. Thomas Aquinas, in fact, argued against it but after almost 2000 years of debate, the Church concluded that her complete freedom from sin was indeed a fact.

Posted by: Will at October 16, 2024 09:45 AM (OG4TV)

59 Frankly, other than the Virgin Mary, this painting is kind of a mess. And way too dark. You'd think a work dedicated to Mary would be brighter.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 09:45 AM (v6JzV)

60 "Private Joker, do you believe in the Virgin Mary?"

Posted by: Don Black reminding you to close cover before striking at October 16, 2024 09:46 AM (/7KEl)

61 Frankly, other than the Virgin Mary, this painting is kind of a mess. And way too dark. You'd think a work dedicated to Mary would be brighter.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 09:45 AM (v6JzV)

The world needed saving so much, God gave his only son. I'm guessing the times were pretty dark at that point.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 16, 2024 09:47 AM (Zz0t1)

62 Blue was not an easy color to get in Israel in Mary’s time. They had it but it was reserved for ceremonial garments.

The TV show "The Naked Archeologist" did an episode about recreating the vivid blue color with some Mediterranean Sea snail or something. Pretty interesting actually.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 16, 2024 09:48 AM (/y8xj)

63 Her eyes are closed. What's the significance of that?
Posted by: dantesed at October 16, 2024 09:43 AM (Oy/m2)

If you embiggen it, it looks like she's looking down to me. It could symbolize her humility and modesty.

Here's a link to mega-embiggen: https://tinyurl.com/dyktzzva

Posted by: Kris at October 16, 2024 09:48 AM (EwaUh)

64 Damn, that chick can drop some babies.

Posted by: Pudinhead at October 16, 2024 09:48 AM (c711F)

65 Blue was not an easy color to get in Israel in Mary’s time. They had it but it was reserved for ceremonial garments.

The TV show "The Naked Archeologist" did an episode about recreating the vivid blue color with some Mediterranean Sea snail or something. Pretty interesting actually.
Posted by: Oddbob

The Murex shell, probably.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 09:49 AM (v6JzV)

66 Nice painting and I like the colors and Mary's sweet face . I could do without the angels at the bottom/ no offense to angels. I've just always disliked their portrayal as cherub looking things.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 16, 2024 09:49 AM (gu46L)

67 Nice painting and I like the colors and Mary's sweet face . I could do without the angels at the bottom/ no offense to angels. I've just always disliked their portrayal as cherub looking things.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

Mary's feeling a little down today. The angels are telling her to cherub.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 09:53 AM (v6JzV)

68 6 Kinda hard to tell what's going on here.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 09:26 AM (v6JzV)

This one is a a bit clearer.

https://tinyurl.com/5n8adbez

Posted by: javems at October 16, 2024 09:53 AM (8I4hW)

69 I've just always disliked their portrayal as cherub looking things.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 16, 2024 09:49 AM (gu46L)

How about this?

https://tinyurl.com/54fvru59

Posted by: Robert at October 16, 2024 09:53 AM (gLbZo)

70 cherubs should be shortened to chubs
and do chubs reach adulthood or are they always babies

Posted by: Don Black reminding you to close cover before striking at October 16, 2024 09:55 AM (/7KEl)

71 How about this?

needs more flying eyeball wheels

http://tiny.cc/92pqzz

Posted by: brak at October 16, 2024 09:56 AM (NGHTx)

72 I'm not familiar with this work but the darkness could be dirt and dust accumulation over time. Oils tend to get dirty easy. There are many works that scholars thought were intentionally dark. Turns out, after cleaning, they're pretty bright. Rembrandt's "The Night Watch" for example.

Posted by: Kris at October 16, 2024 09:57 AM (EwaUh)

73 I don't understand why this painting is so dark. Demonic even.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 16, 2024 09:57 AM (pohLc)

74 I like this. And I don’t know why.

Posted by: Czech Chick at October 16, 2024 09:59 AM (fpVC1)

75
I'd hit it...

*hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at October 16, 2024 09:59 AM (5hfjS)

76 Maybe something like this.

https://tinyurl.com/3f3tk64e

Better yet, this one might be more relevant to the topic at hand.

https://tinyurl.com/muzad7ek

Posted by: Robert at October 16, 2024 09:59 AM (gLbZo)

77 72 Kris, what kind of oil did they use for oil paintings back in the day?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 09:59 AM (v6JzV)

78 This one is a a bit clearer.

https://tinyurl.com/5n8adbez
Posted by: javems
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Very good.

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at October 16, 2024 10:00 AM (hovnC)

79 http://tiny.cc/92pqzz
Posted by: brak at October 16, 2024 09:56 AM (NGHTx)

Okay, that's pretty bad ass.

Posted by: Robert at October 16, 2024 10:01 AM (gLbZo)

80 Posted by: Robert at October 16, 2024 09:53 AM (gLbZo)

I've never really thought of angels as required well defines pecs, but it's preferable to cherubs.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 16, 2024 10:01 AM (rKQUb)

81 Handsome painting. I have no clear idea of what "the Immaculate Conception" really is, though, so I can't comment on the title. The painting itself is dark, but as Kris said, it might well be just the accumulation of dirt and dust over the years since the 17th century.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 16, 2024 10:01 AM (J2vNu)

82 what kind of oil did they use for oil paintings back in the day?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 09:59 AM (v6JzV)

Just stop oil!

Posted by: Tosses a can of tomato sauce at October 16, 2024 10:02 AM (gLbZo)

83 I like that the halo is 12 stars with one in the middle being the most significant of the 12.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead...Wearing Pants and Working at October 16, 2024 10:02 AM (luW68)

84 would not hang because religious imagery makes me nervous and anyway if I did hang, a big booming voice from the sky would ask 'who are you kidding' and that would freak me out, so maybe something from Bierstadt next time

Posted by: Don Black reminding you to close cover before striking at October 16, 2024 10:03 AM (/7KEl)

85 I've never really thought of angels as required well defines pecs, but it's preferable to cherubs.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 16, 2024 10:01 AM (rKQUb)

Just imagine the glutes.

Posted by: Robert at October 16, 2024 10:03 AM (gLbZo)

86 Nice painting and I like the colors and Mary's sweet face . I could do without the angels at the bottom/ no offense to angels. I've just always disliked their portrayal as cherub looking things.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

I thought they (angels) were not human looking, hence all the "fear not" greetings.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 16, 2024 10:04 AM (BkKar)

87 No; I'd rather not imagine angelic glutes, Robert. 😉

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 16, 2024 10:04 AM (rKQUb)

88 Looking at the artist's kind of goofy looking self portrait on his Wikipedia page. He was a painter for the Spanish court. Lots of religious subjects.

Posted by: Tuna at October 16, 2024 10:04 AM (oaGWv)

89 77 72 Kris, what kind of oil did they use for oil paintings back in the day?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 09:59 AM (v6JzV)

I don't know. Sorry.

Posted by: Kris at October 16, 2024 10:05 AM (EwaUh)

90 IT IS NOT MARY!

It is St Anne. Mary is inside.

(There is a problem here, as her physical conception happened the usual way.)

Posted by: Eeyore at October 16, 2024 10:05 AM (1bNHn)

91 89 77 72 Kris, what kind of oil did they use for oil paintings back in the day?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 09:59 AM (v6JzV)

I don't know. Sorry.
Posted by: Kris at October 16, 2024 10:05 AM (EwaUh)

=======

"It's got color and will smear about? Let's use it!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 16, 2024 10:05 AM (GBKbO)

92 I've never really thought of angels as required well defines pecs, but it's preferable to cherubs.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 16, 2024 10:01 AM (rKQUb)

Just imagine the glutes.
Posted by: Robert at October 16, 2024 10:03 AM

Given wings, their lats and traps must be spectacular!

And some people say there's never anything for the 'ettes.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at October 16, 2024 10:05 AM (a3Q+t)

93 Bing's AI really came through for me, I'll tell you what.

https://tinyurl.com/3kwx6h92

Posted by: Robert at October 16, 2024 10:05 AM (gLbZo)

94 Immaculate Conception has to do with Mary and was one of those things that Protestants and Catholics killed each other over for a couple hundred years, until they finally called a truce. Except in Ireland.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 16, 2024 10:06 AM (S6gqv)

95 53 Cute chubby cherubs galore.
Posted by: Tuna

Just like I like 'em!

I'll be in my bunk...

Posted by: Tim Walz at October 16, 2024 10:06 AM (JCZqz)

96 I would imagine Gabriel and Michael to have fierce/stern looks on their faces.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 16, 2024 10:06 AM (pohLc)

97 58 re: 24 - ...
Having said that, the idea that Mary was conceived without Original Sin has been a controversial one. St. Thomas Aquinas, in fact, argued against it but after almost 2000 years of debate, the Church concluded that her complete freedom from sin was indeed a fact.
Posted by: Will at October 16, 2024 09:45 AM (OG4TV)
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Not quite. St Thomas believed that Mary was completely free of sin. He merely disagreed in that he thought it happened after conception. That's it.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 16, 2024 10:07 AM (1bNHn)

98 93 Bing's AI really came through for me, I'll tell you what.

https://tinyurl.com/3kwx6h92
Posted by: Robert at October 16, 2024 10:05 AM (gLbZo)

If you had tried google’s she would have been black.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 16, 2024 10:07 AM (S6gqv)

99 Angels appear in different forms in Scripture:

https://tinyurl.com/5xwmrpt9

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 16, 2024 10:07 AM (rKQUb)

100 I like that the halo is 12 stars with one in the middle being the most significant of the 12.

The tribe of Judah maybe?

Posted by: Oddbob at October 16, 2024 10:08 AM (/y8xj)

101 HAIL, O Queen of Heav'n enthron'd,
Hail, by angels Mistress own'd
Root of Jesse, Gate of morn,
Whence the world's true light was born.

Glorious Virgin, joy to thee,
Loveliest whom in Heaven they see,
Fairest thou where all are fair!
Plead with Christ our sins to spare.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at October 16, 2024 10:08 AM (Wx316)

102 Angels are actually some of the largest, and most danger-filled beings in the Spiritual Realms.

There's a REASON that their first words to such as Mary and the Shepherds were "Fear Not...."

Almighty God does not send fat, wee babies to fight the most important spiritual battles. No, He sends Michael the Archangel, and Gabriel and others of their kind. Think, Michael Bay's "Transformers", only more badass by orders of magnitude.

And they grind the (real) Hell's Angels under their heel, like the puny, Defeated at the Cross cockroaches that they actually are.

This, I think, may be the biggest failing of the classic artists, the failure to grasp and render the true nature of God's Angelic Host.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 16, 2024 10:08 AM (kQgoX)

103 100 I like that the halo is 12 stars with one in the middle being the most significant of the 12.

The tribe of Judah maybe?
Posted by: Oddbob at October 16, 2024 10:08 AM (/y8xj)

======

The 13th is hidden.

It's actually about America.

MURICA!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 16, 2024 10:09 AM (GBKbO)

104 Luke the Doctor

26 Six months after Elizabeth had become pregnant, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a city in Galilee. 27 The angel went to a virgin promised in marriage to a descendant of David named Joseph. The virgin’s name was Mary.

28 When the angel entered her home, he greeted her and said, “You are favored by the Lord! The Lord is with you.”

Posted by: rhennigantx at October 16, 2024 10:09 AM (gbOdA)

105 Angels appear in different forms in Scripture:

when the angels with the 3 pairs of flaming red wings and then the flying eyeball wheels show up and tell you to "be not afraid" you better listen

Posted by: brak at October 16, 2024 10:10 AM (NGHTx)

106 I like that the halo is 12 stars with one in the middle being the most significant of the 12.

The tribe of Judah maybe?
Posted by: Oddbob at October 16, 2024 10:08 AM (/y8xj)

The 13th is hidden.

It's actually about America.

MURICA!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 16, 2024 10:09 AM (GBKbO)

Isn't it the Black Israelites?

Posted by: Robert at October 16, 2024 10:11 AM (gLbZo)

107 105 Angels appear in different forms in Scripture:

when the angels with the 3 pairs of flaming red wings and then the flying eyeball wheels show up and tell you to "be not afraid" you better listen
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Ancient Alien Theorists agree.

Posted by: Pudinhead at October 16, 2024 10:12 AM (c711F)

108 This, I think, may be the biggest failing of the classic artists, the failure to grasp and render the true nature of God's Angelic Host.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at October 16, 2024 10:08 AM (kQgoX)
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Many of them have forms described in Scripture that are downright *terrifying* to behold.

Artists would never be able to do them justice and would probably be burned at the stake for consorting with demons.

Think more H.P. Lovecraft and less Cabbage Patch Kids...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 16, 2024 10:12 AM (7fElN)

109 Except in Ireland.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 16, 2024 10:06 AM (S6gqv)
~~~~~

It's actually Loyalists vs. Nationalists in Ireland/Northern Ireland. That they happen to be of different religions is not the reason for all The Troubles.

Posted by: IrishEi at October 16, 2024 10:12 AM (3ImbR)

110 Statler Cherub: There's nothing like classical art.

Waldorf Cherub: Yep, and that's nothing like it.

Posted by: Baby Carpet Emporium, We Lay It Fast... no that's all wrong at October 16, 2024 10:12 AM (7G/Fc)

111 would not hang because religious imagery makes me nervous and anyway if I did hang, a big booming voice from the sky would ask 'who are you kidding' and that would freak me out, so maybe something from Bierstadt next time
Posted by: Don Black

See Born in East LA and Paul Rodriguez as Javier when he gets to Cheech Marin's house.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 16, 2024 10:12 AM (BkKar)

112 Wakes up
Scratches
Looks around
Dang. This is some heavy art subject today.
Anyway I scored $8 off the geezers in golf yesterday. Last round for the year.
Goes looking for coffee.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 16, 2024 10:13 AM (W/lyH)

113 Statler Cherub: There's nothing like classical art.

Waldorf Cherub: Yep, and that's nothing like it.
Posted by: Baby Carpet Emporium

They would have rocked a Dean Martin roast.

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 16, 2024 10:13 AM (BkKar)

114 So religious iconography, kind of metal looking...

Time for Pastor Bob.

https://youtu.be/qv8Ncv2PRbw

Posted by: Robert at October 16, 2024 10:13 AM (0/Hdj)

115 Statler Cherub: There's nothing like classical art.

Waldorf Cherub: Yep, and that's nothing like it.
Posted by: Baby Carpet Emporium, We Lay It Fast... no that's all wrong at October 16, 2024 10:12 AM (7G/Fc)

1984 Van Halen album cover cherub: Either of you want a Pall Mall?

Posted by: Buzz Adrenaline at October 16, 2024 10:15 AM (JRP2U)

116 It's very difficult not to assume all organized religion is a gigantic guilt trip.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at October 16, 2024 10:15 AM (hKoQL)

117 I think that is the BVM and not Saint Anne because of this other work in the Prado...

Saint Anne and the Immaculate Conception
Ca. 1600. Wash, Pencil, Pencil, Grey-brown ink on dark yellow paper.
Not on display

St. Anne, the mother of the Virgin Mary, is the elderly female saint kneeling on the floor in the interior of a temple and the heavenly apparition that takes place above her head foretells her conception of Mary, the child in the upper register of the composition in a flowing dress, standing on a crescent moon, symbol of the Immaculate Conception, who in her turn would be the mother of Jesus. Winged angels, to either side of Mary, hold symbols of her sacred life as well as of her purity.

https://tinyurl.com/3tmzynvd
Explanation and sketch.

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at October 16, 2024 10:16 AM (hovnC)

118 108 Think more H.P. Lovecraft and less Cabbage Patch Kids...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 16, 2024 10:12 AM (7fElN)

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Paul Schrader wrote a book about this issue within the realm of cinema (he wrote it before he started as a filmmaker himself, when he was just a critic).

His conclusion is probably the best part of the book, and in that he compares what he had been outlining through what he called Transcendental Style in the films of Ozu, Bresson, and Dreyer with more "traditional" views of the religious, focusing on Cecil B. DeMille's The Ten Commandments.

The point of the Transcendental Style is about elevating the human, to transcend to another level through specific cinematic techniques which emphasized stillness. The point of The Ten Commandments film was to make the divine more human and easily digestible.

I've always preferred the former, but it requires investment on the part of the audience and very specific techniques from the artist. The latter feels more bombastic and less about the divine, less about inciting awe in something bigger and less strictly human in terms.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 16, 2024 10:16 AM (GBKbO)

119 what kind of oil did they use for oil paintings back in the day?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 09:59 AM (v6JzV)

Linseed maybe. Maybe whale oil. Or oil of Ole'.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 16, 2024 10:16 AM (g8Ew8)

120 They would have rocked a Dean Martin roast.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 16, 2024 10:13 AM (BkKar)
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Now that *would* be hilarious. Dean Martin and friends roasting the guest of honor while Statler and Waldorf are in the audience roasting the roasters...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 16, 2024 10:17 AM (7fElN)

121 91 89 77 72 Kris, what kind of oil did they use for oil paintings back in the day?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 09:59 AM (v6JzV)

I don't know. Sorry.
Posted by: Kris at October 16, 2024 10:05 AM (EwaUh)

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"It's got color and will smear about? Let's use it!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 16, 2024 10:05 AM (GBKbO)

LOL. The appeal of oils was that it dried slow, allowed for brighter colors, and allowed translucent layering that trapped and reflected light. Then it was usually coated it with a final varnish. See Jan van Eyck's "The Ghent Altarpiece" to see what oils can really do.

Posted by: Kris at October 16, 2024 10:18 AM (EwaUh)

122 Now that *would* be hilarious. Dean Martin and friends roasting the guest of honor while Statler and Waldorf are in the audience roasting the roasters...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel

Hey, sounds like a good time! Now where's my bib?
-- Haitian Warlord Barbecue guy

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 10:18 AM (v6JzV)

123 Are we going to start arguments on organized religion? I'm out till another thread.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 16, 2024 10:19 AM (BC/Sm)

124 Are we going to start arguments on organized religion? I'm out till another thread.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke

We can always do the Civil War if you prefer.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 10:19 AM (v6JzV)

125 123 Are we going to start arguments on organized religion? I'm out till another thread.
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Let's talk more about Corvairs?

Posted by: Pudinhead at October 16, 2024 10:20 AM (c711F)

126
We can always do the Civil War if you prefer.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 10:19 AM (v6JzV)

Carrots in chili ?

Posted by: It's me donna at October 16, 2024 10:20 AM (IyPmt)

127 >It's very difficult not to assume all organized religion is a gigantic guilt trip.
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shots fired

Posted by: Don Black reminding you to close cover before striking at October 16, 2024 10:20 AM (/7KEl)

128 Fish puns?

Posted by: dantesed at October 16, 2024 10:20 AM (Oy/m2)

129 Star Trek!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 16, 2024 10:20 AM (GBKbO)

130 Are we going to start arguments on organized religion? I'm out till another thread.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 16, 2024 10:19 AM (BC/Sm)

*Sad face*

Posted by: Irish Catholic ready to light a molotov cocktail at October 16, 2024 10:21 AM (0/Hdj)

131 Boobs!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 10:21 AM (v6JzV)

132 Star Trek!
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Jeebus, no.

Posted by: Pudinhead at October 16, 2024 10:21 AM (c711F)

133 >>>Archie B's daugher

As in Gloria, the Meathead marrier?

Posted by: No Name Today at October 16, 2024 10:21 AM (vlXMQ)

134
Star Trek!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 16, 2024 10:20 AM (GBKbO)

Ketchup on hot dogs ?

Posted by: It's me donna at October 16, 2024 10:21 AM (IyPmt)

135 Are we going to start arguments on organized religion?

No.
Let's do French Toast and tree sap reduction !

Posted by: Next2Nothing at October 16, 2024 10:22 AM (tA1/w)

136 Angels really are kinda crazy.
Like the most fantastical interdimensional being you can imagine.
Capable of traveling to all the realms; Earth, Heaven, Hell, spirit world, purgatory and all the other places where souls may go. (Except, I guess, the pit that gets locked at the end, no one and nothing gets out of there.)
Can endure the presence of God, talk with man and fight Satan and his demons.

They have to defy description because they defy all reality as we can perceive it.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 16, 2024 10:22 AM (rNE21)

137 LOL. The appeal of oils was that it dried slow, allowed for brighter colors, and allowed translucent layering that trapped and reflected light.
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And being able to paint out the dick who didn't pay you on time to include him in the "saved" half of the Last Judgement commission you have almost completed after working on it for three years!

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at October 16, 2024 10:23 AM (hovnC)

138 Ketchup on hot dogs ?
Posted by: It's me donna

Ketchup on Maryanne, or on Ginger?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 10:23 AM (v6JzV)

139 Gettysburg thought experiment:

( We've replaced Lee's Army of the Potomac with Patton's 3rd Army. Let's see if anyone notices.)

Posted by: Don Black reminding you to close cover before striking at October 16, 2024 10:23 AM (/7KEl)

140 119 what kind of oil did they use for oil paintings back in the day?

A secret blend of toe jam and dick cheese.

Posted by: Elderly Git at October 16, 2024 10:23 AM (HRQvT)

141 I posted this in the Morning Report.

CNN: Jake E. Lee, former Ozzy Osbourne guitarist, expected to ‘fully recover’ after being shot ‘multiple times’

https://tinyurl.com/2fs49pme

Ole Jake had to deal with Sharon Osbourne. After doing that the man is invincible.

Fen! I got a guy you can pray for. Grab some rosaries and get to woik, babe.

Posted by: Robert at October 16, 2024 10:23 AM (0/Hdj)

142 There's a REASON that their first words to such as Mary and the Shepherds were "Fear Not...."

Almighty God does not send fat, wee babies to fight the most important spiritual battles. No, He sends Michael the Archangel, and Gabriel and others of their kind. Think, Michael Bay's "Transformers", only more badass by orders of magnitude.

And they grind the (real) Hell's Angels under their heel, like the puny, Defeated at the Cross cockroaches that they actually are.

This, I think, may be the biggest failing of the classic artists, the failure to grasp and render the true nature of God's Angelic Host.

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There's a not-so-known movie on Netflix that emphasizes this very point. It's called Midnight Mass. A very different but good vampire movie.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 16, 2024 10:23 AM (g8Ew8)

143 45 caliber crossbow?

Posted by: Buzz Adrenaline at October 16, 2024 10:23 AM (JRP2U)

144 Cute chubby cherubs galore.
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My own interpretation is that cherubs and putti are comforts to those who have lost babies and children at a time when death of children was almost a commonplace.

My grandson died suddenly a month before his first birthday. Those chubby angels are a consolation and joy.

Posted by: mustbequantum at October 16, 2024 10:24 AM (RxnYx)

145 139 Gettysburg thought experiment:

( We've replaced Lee's Army of the Potomac with Patton's 3rd Army. Let's see if anyone notices.)
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Just give the Confederates 80mm mortars and bolt action rifles.

Posted by: Pudinhead at October 16, 2024 10:24 AM (c711F)

146 Frankly, other than the Virgin Mary, this painting is kind of a mess. And way too dark. You'd think a work dedicated to Mary would be brighter.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 09:45 AM (v6JzV)

Intentionally dark, I think. Coello was of Portuguese descent, but his career was in Spain. This painting was likely painted in the early 1680s, during the reign of Charles II (Spain). Spain was on the decline and in distress. The British and the Dutch were the dominant powers at sea, revolts in the American colonies, and the "Little Ice Age" caused famine on the Iberian peninsula. Wiki says that Spain's population decreased from 8.5 million in 1600 to 6.6 million in 1680.

The world was a dark place for Spain.

Posted by: mrp at October 16, 2024 10:24 AM (rj6Yv)

147 ( We've replaced Lee's Army of the Potomac with Patton's 3rd Army. Let's see if anyone notices.)
Posted by: Don Black

IIRC, the Army of the Potomac was the Union army, as opposed to Lee's Army of Northern Virginia.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 10:24 AM (v6JzV)

148 Let's talk more about Corvairs?

I wonder whatever happened to Moron "aircooled." He was doing a restoration project and I was anxious to see the result.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 16, 2024 10:24 AM (/y8xj)

149 Actual somewhat interesting discussion at DU today. Is higher voter turnout a good or bad sign for Trump?

Georgia SHATTERS Early Voting Record in GOOD NEWS for Kamala Harris. Early voting has shattered the early voting turnout in 2020.

How is that good news for us? Republicans have pushed early voting HARD this cycle.

Historically, high turnout is a positive sign for the Democrats. Most of the early votes are in Atlanta. High turnout gives us our best chance. This is why Republicans work so hard to suppress the vote.

Trump has changed the dynamics so thoroughly that I am not sure high turnout helps. Democrats used to have a hold on low-propensity voters. This is why they would always get creamed, it seemed, in midterm elections in the 90s and 2000s.

Trump has shifted things so much that a lot of those voters are now MAGA and the more consistent voters, those who tend to show up every election (generally white collar voters) have moved Democratic. In 2016, turnout was higher than 2012 and Democrats lost. In 2020, turnout was at an all-time high (well 100 year high) and Democrats barely won.

Trump definitely targets low propensity voters.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at October 16, 2024 10:24 AM (JCZqz)

150 Almighty God does not send fat, wee babies to fight the most important spiritual battles.

Think about the attitudes of most modern westerners. Someone walks into their apartment and a fat, wee baby says, "Yo, dude, we need to chat." You're gonna shit yourself.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 16, 2024 10:25 AM (ExV1e)

151 148 Let's talk more about Corvairs?

I wonder whatever happened to Moron "aircooled." He was doing a restoration project and I was anxious to see the result.
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Toggle back to the last thread. He was commenting on Covairs this morning. Good Scoop.

Posted by: Pudinhead at October 16, 2024 10:25 AM (c711F)

152 139 Gettysburg thought experiment:

( We've replaced Lee's Army of the Potomac with Patton's 3rd Army. Let's see if anyone notices.)
Posted by: Don Black reminding you to close cover before striking at October 16, 2024 10:23 AM (/7KEl
That’s what I’m talking about, though I’d mix in some The Guns Of The South by Harry Turtledove.

Posted by: Eromero at October 16, 2024 10:26 AM (LHPAg)

153 I've heard that arranging stars in a circle is racist.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at October 16, 2024 10:27 AM (/nctV)

154 149 Georgia SHATTERS Early Voting Record in GOOD NEWS for Kamala Harris. Early voting has shattered the early voting turnout in 2020.

How is that good news for us? Republicans have pushed early voting HARD this cycle.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at October 16, 2024 10:24 AM (JCZqz)

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I've been watching some analysis on the first day's numbers. The biggest point to take away, since GA doesn't do partisan voter registration but does track racial data, is that first day In Person Early Voting was 30% black.

High, huh? Not in comparison to the past two cycles that were nearly 40% each.

Where are the votes coming from? County by county, there's a large swell from rural Republican counties. Dekalb was high, Fulton was low (or the other way around, can't remember), so they kind of even out in the heavy blue areas.

Combine that with FL's early voting data, which is trending slightly more R than even 2022 when DeS won by 19%, and you've got potential evidence of a healthy Republican year.

We'll see.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 16, 2024 10:27 AM (GBKbO)

155 Remember, Satan is also an angel. Nothing cherubic about him.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 10:28 AM (v6JzV)

156 153 I've heard that arranging stars in a circle is racist.
Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at October 16, 2024 10:27 AM (/nctV)

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So is arranging them horizontally. Or vertically. Or any way.

Or using stairs.

Or using the English language to describe ways to elevate by stepping.

Or knowing the English language.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 16, 2024 10:28 AM (GBKbO)

157 I've heard that arranging stars in a circle is racist.
Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer

Yeah, a heavenly noose. Definitely racist.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 10:28 AM (v6JzV)

158 149. Interesting. I think in GA we need stats on early votes from black males under 50. I think that will pretty much tell if Harris can win GA.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at October 16, 2024 10:28 AM (7PziG)

159 Toggle back to the last thread. He was commenting on Covairs this morning. Good Scoop.

Thanks. And you're right, '65+ is definitely the way to go.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 16, 2024 10:29 AM (/y8xj)

160 Trump has changed the dynamics so thoroughly that I am not sure high turnout helps.
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They may have stumbled onto something.

At his rally, Trump and several of the other speakers were pushing early voting.
With many in attendance sporting "I voted" stickers.

If these early votes are infrequent votes, especially if they are under-35 males, those are Trump votes.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 16, 2024 10:29 AM (rNE21)

161 77 72 Kris, what kind of oil did they use for oil paintings back in the day?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 09:59 AM (v6JzV)

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10W/30 is always a good bet, but check your owners manual.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 16, 2024 10:29 AM (JkO4W)

162 Interesting. I think in GA we need stats on early votes from black males under 50

How do you get data like that?

Posted by: grammie winger - cheesehead at October 16, 2024 10:29 AM (SfhV1)

163 129 128 Fish puns?
Posted by: dantesed at October 16, 2024 10:20 AM (Oy/m2)

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Star Trek!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 16, 2024 10:20 AM

Duck season!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 16, 2024 10:29 AM (ZANHd)

164 139 Gettysburg thought experiment:

( We've replaced Lee's Army of the Potomac with Patton's 3rd Army. Let's see if anyone notices.)

What if the Union Army has Apache helicopters?

Posted by: dantesed at October 16, 2024 10:30 AM (Oy/m2)

165 This looks like the Dark Brandon version of Mary, complete with neo-pagan cherubs.

Not a fan.

Posted by: It's Art, But I'm Not Enjoying It at October 16, 2024 10:30 AM (06VfD)

166 >IIRC, the Army of the Potomac was the Union army, as opposed to Lee's Army of Northern Virginia.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
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and now you know why I usually avoid Civil War discussions!

Posted by: Don Black reminding you to close cover before striking at October 16, 2024 10:30 AM (/7KEl)

167 139 Gettysburg thought experiment:

What if we replace everyone above Captain with a Tranny ?

Posted by: Next2Nothing at October 16, 2024 10:31 AM (tA1/w)

168 I blame my advanced age, and Johnson and this damn war

Posted by: Don Black reminding you to close cover before striking at October 16, 2024 10:31 AM (/7KEl)

169 Oh, speaking of Star Trek I've continued watching Enterprise after a break. Season three is really good.

Posted by: Robert at October 16, 2024 10:31 AM (CSM2t)

170 162, i am sure we cannot get that data. But I think that is the type of data that really counts in GA specificslly.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at October 16, 2024 10:31 AM (7PziG)

171 Brenden Dilley @WarlordDilley 1h
The FBI was cooking the books on crime statistics and just quietly revised the numbers up.

The FBI is a terrorist organization.

https://tinyurl.com/2y5f8myf
screencap

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at October 16, 2024 10:32 AM (hovnC)

172
Historically, high turnout is a positive sign for the Democrats. Most of the early votes are in Atlanta. High turnout gives us our best chance. This is why Republicans work so hard to suppress the vote.

They like to point at this as fact.

What have Republicans done to 'suppress the vote?'

Request legal status to vote? Require citizenship? Voter ID?

You're clinging to the idea that blacks are too stupid to get an ID in the US?

Lord, help us.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 16, 2024 10:32 AM (Zz0t1)

173
Sock, sock, shoe, shoe
or
Sock, shoe, sock, shoe?

Posted by: Buzz Adrenaline at October 16, 2024 10:32 AM (JRP2U)

174 In some ways, the civil war mirrors the war in the Pacific. At first, due to audacity and ill preparedness, the Confederates and the Japanese won the battles, but were poorly positioned to survive a long war, which both sides knew. In the end, numbers and industrial output overcame.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 16, 2024 10:33 AM (pohLc)

175 160 If these early votes are infrequent votes, especially if they are under-35 males, those are Trump votes.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 16, 2024 10:29 AM (rNE21)

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The counter to that is that early voting "cannibalizes" the day of election vote totals, which generally heavily favor Republicans and always have. If you're turning out people who will vote anyway, will that decrease the advantage from day of voting? Will Democrats do well enough on that day of vote to undo any progress Republicans had in the early vote?

This is where the central vote analysis question is right now, especially in a place like PA.

PA is seeing a D advantage of about 30% in early vote requests. In previous elections it was about 50% (especially 2022). How will that materialize in the end with day of voting?

Well, I'm not convinced that cannibalization is really a thing, especially across parties (that one will do it more than the other when both sides emphasize early voting), so it feels like a pipe dream from the left.

For example, FL 2022 saw R's heavily close the early gap from 20...and then had a massive blowout overall anyway.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 16, 2024 10:33 AM (GBKbO)

176 Sock, sock, shoe, shoe

Posted by: Don Black reminding you to close cover before striking at October 16, 2024 10:33 AM (/7KEl)

177 150 Almighty God does not send fat, wee babies to fight the most important spiritual battles.

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He sends cavalry first then the wee fat babies go in to exploit any breaks in the line.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 16, 2024 10:33 AM (JkO4W)

178 Well slap my ass and call me Nancy. The FBI just "revised" their annual crime stats and it now shows violent crime has increased under Biden/Harris not decreased.

Who could have foreseen this?

https://tinyurl.com/yrrbdrb4

Posted by: JackStraw at October 16, 2024 10:33 AM (LkLld)

179 Combine that with FL's early voting data, which is trending slightly more R than even 2022 when DeS won by 19%, and you've got potential evidence of a healthy Republican year.
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That, to me, was one of the biggest tells that GA was stolen and rife with fraud in 2020:
FL doesn't go easily to Trump while right next door GA goes Biden.

IIRC, that was one of the things that dispirited Dave in FL most, to the point of swearing off analysis of polling, etc.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 16, 2024 10:33 AM (rNE21)

180 Ga worries me.. Last "poll" I saw had Kamala ahead by 2.. I just don't get it...

Posted by: It's me donna at October 16, 2024 10:33 AM (IyPmt)

181 when brushing your teeth, are you a stander or a leaner

Posted by: Don Black reminding you to close cover before striking at October 16, 2024 10:33 AM (/7KEl)

182 Pudinhead, are you going to be at the MoMe this weekend?

Posted by: Oddbob at October 16, 2024 10:33 AM (/y8xj)

183 #171 addendum:

zerohedge @zerohedge 1h
There it is: FBI "revised" violent crime data, now reporting that instead of a 2.1% drop in violent crime in 2022, it was actually a 4.5% increase.

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at October 16, 2024 10:34 AM (hovnC)

184 I thought they (angels) were not human looking, hence all the "fear not" greetings.
Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 16, 2024

***
To be fair, even if the angels were humanoid, light pouring from them and wide wings sprouting from their backs would be pretty out of the ordinary, and fear-inspiring, right there.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 16, 2024 10:34 AM (J2vNu)

185 Just give the Confederates 80mm mortars and bolt action rifles.
Posted by: Pudinhead
_______

They coulda had the bolt actions. The Dreyse had been in service for over a decade.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at October 16, 2024 10:34 AM (Dm8we)

186 Where are the votes coming from? County by county, there's a large swell from rural Republican counties. Dekalb was high, Fulton was low (or the other way around, can't remember), so they kind of even out in the heavy blue areas.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 16, 2024 10:27 AM (GBKbO)

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DeKalb isn't rural. Deep blue and corrupt as hell. But maybe I misunderstand.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at October 16, 2024 10:34 AM (/nctV)

187 Early! This painting is for Dec 8

Posted by: Scottst at October 16, 2024 10:34 AM (qcvs8)

188 They may have stumbled onto something.
Posted by: People's Hippo

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally? As i said...it's actually an interesting thread overall, with lots of back and forth. There is a distinct difference in the electorate when Trump is on the ballot, and (unfortunately) it doesn't always transfer to downballot Republicans.

I think a good chunk of Trump voters DON'T vote in the midterms...just for Trump. That means they probably don't show up in "likely" voter screening questions. I guess we'll see in a few weeks, but I'm hoping for a surprise Trump surge in the final count.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at October 16, 2024 10:34 AM (JCZqz)

189 when brushing your teeth, are you a stander or a leaner
Posted by: Don Black reminding you to close cover before striking at October 16, 2024

***
I'm a cat-petter

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 16, 2024 10:34 AM (J2vNu)

190 and now you know why I usually avoid Civil War discussions!
Posted by: Don Black

It's OK. Happens to the best of us.

My brother, who is a published historian, is a huge Civil War buff. I once asked him why he didn't write a book on the Civil War. His answer was something like "If you write about the Civil War and get one little fact wrong, the reenactors will savage you."

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 10:35 AM (v6JzV)

191 Wiki sez commonly used drying oils for painting include linseed oil, poppy seed oil, walnut oil, and safflower oil.

Posted by: mrp at October 16, 2024 10:35 AM (rj6Yv)

192 179 That, to me, was one of the biggest tells that GA was stolen and rife with fraud in 2020:
FL doesn't go easily to Trump while right next door GA goes Biden.

IIRC, that was one of the things that dispirited Dave in FL most, to the point of swearing off analysis of polling, etc.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 16, 2024 10:33 AM (rNE21)

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1.7 million out of 5 million ballots in GA in 2020 alone have no images, against GA law.

Arguably a full third of all ballots in GA in 2020 were fraudulent.

The cheat has been around for a very long time. It'd dug in like a tick, and I suspect that cleaning it up like DeSantis did between 2018 and 2022 in more states would swing America as a whole so far to the right that the Libertarian Party would have another shot at becoming an electoral force to actually pay some attention to.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 16, 2024 10:35 AM (GBKbO)

193 [i[]Who could have foreseen this?

https://tinyurl.com/yrrbdrb4
Posted by: JackStraw at October 16, 2024 10:33 AM

*raises hand*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 16, 2024 10:35 AM (ZANHd)

194 According to TMZ, the 31-year-old daughter of Clint Eastwood and Frances Fisher was driving around the Beverly Hills area with her boyfriend on Saturday, October 12 when they got into an argument. Allegedly, Francesca got physical, which prompted her boyfriend to call the police.
The outlet reported that police advised the boyfriend to drive to the "Safety Zone" at the Beverly Hills Police Department, which he did.

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Before she clobbered him, she said, "Do you feel lucky, punk? Well, do ya?"

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 16, 2024 10:35 AM (L/fGl)

195 186 DeKalb isn't rural. Deep blue and corrupt as hell. But maybe I misunderstand.
Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at October 16, 2024 10:34 AM (/nctV)

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The sentence that contains the word "DeKalb" has more information in it that properly defines it as different from the previous sentence.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 16, 2024 10:36 AM (GBKbO)

196 Unfortunately, the creepy cherubs overcome the "rich, refined and predominantly warm color scheme" & move it out of hanging possibility. (Museo Del Prado, The Immaculate Conception, Claudio Coello)

But for hump day, not bad. Thanks.

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at October 16, 2024 10:36 AM (NFX2v)

197 Black male voters you say??

Election Wizard @ElectionWiz 1h
REPORT: Rapper Lord Jamar says Kamala Harris isn’t even qualified to run ‘Dunkin Donuts or a 7-Eleven’

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at October 16, 2024 10:36 AM (hovnC)

198 Yeah, you don't mess around with Clint's daughter.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 10:37 AM (v6JzV)

199 Election Wizard @ElectionWiz 1h
REPORT: Rapper Lord Jamar says Kamala Harris isn’t even qualified to run ‘Dunkin Donuts or a 7-Eleven’

Because she's only half Indian.

Posted by: Joe B. at October 16, 2024 10:38 AM (/y8xj)

200 Yeah, you don't mess around with Clint's daughter.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 10:37 AM

Or Jim.

Posted by: Zombie Jim Croce at October 16, 2024 10:39 AM (ZANHd)

201 REPORT: Rapper Lord Jamar says Kamala Harris isn’t even qualified to run ‘Dunkin Donuts or a 7-Eleven’
Posted by: andycanuck

Damn...one sentence that will get him called sexist and racist against blacks AND Indians! Quite efficient.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 16, 2024 10:39 AM (JCZqz)

202 The people corrupting our electoral process and undermining it should be first to the gallows. That starts with subversives like Elias, and ends with the political activists posing as judges.

Posted by: Truthbomb at October 16, 2024 10:39 AM (LKBWf)

203 @175

>>PA is seeing a D advantage of about 30% in early vote requests. In previous elections it was about 50% (especially 2022). How will that materialize in the end with day of voting?

Saw a friendly PSA saying that Pa will except ballots postmarked up to election day, also, Pa has over 700k what it calls inactive voter registrations as part of it's total voter role, and since nobody at any level checks or audits any of this stuff, I'm expecting the final election tally for Pa to arrive sometime after Christmas.

It won't affect my vote because I'm still registered to vote in New Jersey, which is probably not going to go for Trump either.

Any way you slice it, the election is going to be tough sledding.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 16, 2024 10:40 AM (XV/Pl)

204 Damn...one sentence that will get him called sexist and racist against blacks AND Indians! Quite efficient.
Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 16, 2024 10:39 AM (JCZqz)

"You can't go into a 7-11 without a heavy Indian accent....."

- - - - - Joe Robinette

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 16, 2024 10:40 AM (Zz0t1)

205 REPORT: Rapper Lord Jamar says Kamala Harris isn’t even qualified to run ‘Dunkin Donuts or a 7-Eleven’
Posted by: andycanuck

Damn...one sentence that will get him called sexist and racist against blacks AND Indians! Quite efficient.
Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 16, 2024 10:39 AM

Well, even Joe Biden would say he's right about the 7-Eleven. She doesn't have an Indian accent. Yet.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 16, 2024 10:41 AM (ZANHd)

206 1.7 million out of 5 million ballots in GA in 2020 alone have no images, against GA law.

Arguably a full third of all ballots in GA in 2020 were fraudulent.

The cheat has been around for a very long time. It'd dug in like a tick, and I suspect that cleaning it up like DeSantis did between 2018 and 2022 in more states would swing America as a whole so far to the right that the Libertarian Party would have another shot at becoming an electoral force to actually pay some attention to.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 16, 2024 10:35 AM (GBKbO)

Didn't some GA judge just rule that they had to certify the ballots even if there's reason to believe they're fraudulent?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 16, 2024 10:41 AM (KbCG3)

207 Kamala definitely couldn't run a liquor store. She'd consume all of the stock.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 10:41 AM (v6JzV)

208 >Yeah, you don't mess around with Clint's daughter.

that one looks so much like her mother (the lead whore in Unforgiven)

Posted by: Don Black reminding you to close cover before striking at October 16, 2024 10:41 AM (/7KEl)

209 I'm expecting the final election tally for Pa to arrive sometime after Christmas.

*dumps sacks out*

hundreds and hundreds of letters all addressed to santa clause, err, I mean, ballots for kamala!

Posted by: Philly Poll Workers at October 16, 2024 10:41 AM (NGHTx)

210 CBS Mornings on the black vote...

Trump War Room @TrumpWarRoom 2h
MICHIGAN DEMOCRAT: "I see shades of the Hillary Clinton campaign with the arrogance of a Democrat Party out of touch with the electorate."

https://tinyurl.com/45dywwmk
10 seconds

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at October 16, 2024 10:42 AM (hovnC)

211 @194

>>According to TMZ, the 31-year-old daughter of Clint Eastwood and Frances Fisher was driving around the Beverly Hills area with her boyfriend on Saturday, October 12 when they got into an argument. Allegedly, Francesca got physical, which prompted her boyfriend to call the police.
The outlet reported that police advised the boyfriend to drive to the "Safety Zone" at the Beverly Hills Police Department, which he did.

Clint has at least 8 kids that he admits to but is probably a number that would make a Mormon say, G-d damn Bro!!!

One of them was bound to be crazy.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 16, 2024 10:42 AM (XV/Pl)

212 189 when brushing your teeth, are you a stander or a leaner
Posted by: Don Black reminding you to close cover before striking at October 16, 2024

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I'm a cat-petter
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 16, 2024 10:34 AM (J2vNu)
You may be eligible for membership in the Two Moon Clan of the East Texas Catto Band.

Posted by: Eromero at October 16, 2024 10:43 AM (LHPAg)

213 203 It won't affect my vote because I'm still registered to vote in New Jersey, which is probably not going to go for Trump either.

Any way you slice it, the election is going to be tough sledding.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 16, 2024 10:40 AM (XV/Pl)

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I think NJ is going to see a very big swing to the right.

Not enough to make it even close to a battleground, but swinging it from a 16% Biden victory to maybe an 8% Kamala victory.

The registrations point to a 10% improvement of R performance relative to D performance. (It's not just a straight 10%, but relative to proportions of registrations and their changes over the last 4 years.)

I'm really beginning to think that the only good way to predict elections is voter registration. Voter registration contains A LOT of information, especially about turnout. If a party gains and another loses, well, that should tell you which side is more enthused.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 16, 2024 10:43 AM (GBKbO)

214 206 Didn't some GA judge just rule that they had to certify the ballots even if there's reason to believe they're fraudulent?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at October 16, 2024 10:41 AM (KbCG3)

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He did. I don't expect that ruling to last, but we'll see.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 16, 2024 10:44 AM (GBKbO)

215 77 72 Kris, what kind of oil did they use for oil paintings back in the day?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 09:59 AM (v6JzV)

Remembered I still have some old textbooks. According to one, it started with plant-based oils, usually walnut or linseed. The medium was developed in the 1400s and first used in Flanders. I'm sure they experimented with other oils as time went on.

Posted by: Kris at October 16, 2024 10:44 AM (EwaUh)

216 The counter to that is that early voting "cannibalizes" the day of election vote totals, which generally heavily favor Republicans and always have.
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That was the 2020 and 2022 argument that carried.

I thought it was dumb because, if you have "banked" the votes of those you know will vote, it allows you to focus on getting the low-propensity voters to the polls.
A harvest, if you will.

There are basically 3 election days to watch: With 1st day of early voting (25%), last day of early voting (25%) and Election day (30%).
That was from my very, very in-depth analysis of a race in TX years ago.
Meaning, a good campaign knows it won the race the Sunday before Election Day.
Your door knockers and phone bank workers would get daily updates of who to call on.
Trump and the RNC are realizing that.
Which the GOPe consultants hate, hate, hate. Because they can't send mass mailers to all voters for 3 weeks, hire phone bankers to call even already voted for 3 weeks, etc., etc. Really cuts into the commissions when you only have to spend 1/3 to target those who haven't voted yet.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 16, 2024 10:44 AM (rNE21)

217 also Eastwood's daughter, Alison, from another mother

https://tinyurl.com/4estkvxm

Posted by: Don Black reminding you to close cover before striking at October 16, 2024 10:44 AM (/7KEl)

218 If Trump wins…
Rushmore?

Posted by: Jmel at October 16, 2024 10:44 AM (RWHIh)

219 Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 16, 2024 10:42 AM (XV/Pl)

What I got out of that is the boyfriend is a beta pussy.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 16, 2024 10:44 AM (D6PGr)

220 Brenden Dilley @WarlordDilley 2h
Republicans figured out how to bank votes by voting early, and the entire Democrat party is having a coniption over it because they know they're doomed.

Low enthusiasm + incompetent candidate = poor turnout = general election ass whooping.

Vote. Vote. Vote.

Sweep the leg.

My Healthy Patriot @MyHealtyPatriot 1h Replying to @WarlordDilley
Banked mine, took 12 family members to vote already, all for President Trump, and 6 has never voted before. Turning Virginia red!!

Brenden Dilley @WarlordDilley 1h
This is the way. #Trump2024

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at October 16, 2024 10:45 AM (hovnC)

221 216 Trump and the RNC are realizing that.
Which the GOPe consultants hate, hate, hate. Because they can't send mass mailers to all voters for 3 weeks, hire phone bankers to call even already voted for 3 weeks, etc., etc. Really cuts into the commissions when you only have to spend 1/3 to target those who haven't voted yet.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 16, 2024 10:44 AM (rNE21)

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I'm hoping they're working like that. It seems like they are.

There's no way GA should be close to a battleground with the limited number of Democrats in the state.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 16, 2024 10:45 AM (GBKbO)

222 Clint has at least 8 kids that he admits to but is probably a number that would make a Mormon say, G-d damn Bro!!!

A 32 year old daughter would have been born when Clint was roughly the age I am now and I've been out of the baby making business for decades.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 16, 2024 10:45 AM (/y8xj)

223 I think I might have to read this book.

https://tinyurl.com/y2szkfrz

Posted by: Xipe Totec at October 16, 2024 10:45 AM (pohLc)

224 Clint Eastwood is Hollywood's NBA player.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 16, 2024 10:45 AM (D6PGr)

225 @217

>>also Eastwood's daughter, Alison, from another mother

She was absolutely fantastic in Midnight in The Garden of Good and Evil, as was Kevin Spacey, I'm really surprised she never had a major movie career.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 16, 2024 10:45 AM (XV/Pl)

226 206 Didn't some GA judge just rule that they had to certify the ballots even if there's reason to believe they're fraudulent?
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer

If not, I can step in and do it.

Posted by: Hawaiian Judge at October 16, 2024 10:45 AM (JCZqz)

227 also Eastwood's daughter, Alison, from another mother

https://tinyurl.com/4estkvxm
Posted by: Don Black

Not bad. Except for the tat, that is.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 10:46 AM (v6JzV)

228 Well it looks like BLM/Antifa have been roused from slumber. The issue as a facade is the shooting of a huge female lunatic stabbing and slashing at a cop in Fairfax Virginia, who was of course rightly shot.
The truth is that TPTB need them to be active by election day, and can't just have them out there as an anti-Trump political army, which is what they will be, but the fig leaf for the violence will be police brutality against blacks, as usual.

We'll see how desparate the D's and their army of affiliated organizations are by whether or not they allow this shooting to be the one that fires up the outrage machine.
3 weeks until the election. Just enough time to grow the unrest to a point where going to the polls in some places becomes a dicey proposition, making the claims that Trump voters stayed home on election day valid enough for government work.

This opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it, but it'll be interesting what happens in the next few days.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1845963129026498974.html

Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 16, 2024 10:46 AM (FCbAQ)

229 >>Trump and the RNC are realizing that.

And Scott Presler who Laura Trump was smart enough to link up with while Ronna ignored him for years.

If Trump wins PA, and given the early voting trends which are moving bigly for Republicans, it is very possible Presler deserves a huge amount of credit.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 16, 2024 10:47 AM (LkLld)

230 Just had a Tuna Bowl, now I need a nap.

Great.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 16, 2024 10:47 AM (XV/Pl)

231 178 Well slap my ass and call me Nancy. The FBI just "revised" their annual crime stats and it now shows violent crime has increased under Biden/Harris not decreased.

Who could have foreseen this?

https://tinyurl.com/yrrbdrb4
Posted by: JackStraw at October 16, 2024 10:33 AM (LkLld)

...and revisions from the Fed are up next. I can only imagine what the updated CPI and unemployment numbers will look like after Trump gets into office.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 16, 2024 10:48 AM (NzKzT)

232 Isn't Musk helping with the GOTV? Thought I saw something posted here last week about that.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at October 16, 2024 10:48 AM (Dm8we)

233 182 Pudinhead, are you going to be at the MoMe this weekend?
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Where is it?

Posted by: Pudinhead at October 16, 2024 10:48 AM (c711F)

234 232 Isn't Musk helping with the GOTV? Thought I saw something posted here last week about that.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at October 16, 2024 10:48 AM (Dm8we)

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His PAC is offering something like $47 for every new registration in PA.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 16, 2024 10:48 AM (GBKbO)

235 Will the military under Vanilli Milley

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I saw a news blurb that Milli Vanili is having a resurgence. It seems their "music" was used in a film about the Menendez brothers and it caught on. I guess people figured one pair of sociopaths deserves another.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 16, 2024 10:49 AM (L/fGl)

236 @229

>>If Trump wins PA, and given the early voting trends which are moving bigly for Republicans, it is very possible Presler deserves a huge amount of credit.

Pressler should be put in charge of all GOTV ops going forward.

The dude is a little off putting in his look and mid-western Patau but the dude is a hustler and deserves to be rewarded.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 16, 2024 10:49 AM (XV/Pl)

237 Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 16, 2024 10:46 AM (FCbAQ)

Great. My neck of the woods. Just great.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 10:49 AM (v6JzV)

238 Holy crap! The crazy black woman who tried killing the cop was a basketball player and the uni memorialized her!

Georgetown WBB @GeorgetownWBB
Georgetown women's basketball mourns the tragic loss of Sydney Wilson (C'13). Forever a Hoya.
#HoyaSaxa

Readers added context they thought people might want to know
Sydney Wilson attempted to stab a police officer, who then shot her in self-defense.

x.com/MrAndyNgo/stat…
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Context is written by people who use X, and appears when rated helpful by others. Find out more.
2:40 PM · Sep 20, 2024 · 8.6M Views

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at October 16, 2024 10:49 AM (hovnC)

239 Didn't some GA judge just rule that they had to certify the ballots even if there's reason to believe they're fraudulent?
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Yup.
He said, well they can just refer the cases to the DA for prosecution.

He's also the same judge that just issued an injunction against the rule requiring clerks certify the ballots in the box match the count claimed by the machine.

And he's also the same judge that oversaw the grand jury that indicted Trump.

There seems to be only one judge in the whole of Cobb County Georgia.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 16, 2024 10:50 AM (rNE21)

240 236 Pressler should be put in charge of all GOTV ops going forward.

The dude is a little off putting in his look and mid-western Patau but the dude is a hustler and deserves to be rewarded.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 16, 2024 10:49 AM (XV/Pl)

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Not necessarily.

Ever had the great individual contributor promoted to manager but they had no managerial skills?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 16, 2024 10:50 AM (GBKbO)

241 He sends cavalry first then the wee fat babies go in to exploit any breaks in the line.
Posted by: Cicero

Plugging the holes in dykes?
Wait...

Posted by: rickb223 Gold & Silver Spot Prices at October 16, 2024 10:50 AM (BkKar)

242 My brother, who is a published historian, is a huge Civil War buff. I once asked him why he didn't write a book on the Civil War. His answer was something like "If you write about the Civil War and get one little fact wrong, the reenactors will savage you."
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 10:35 AM (v6JzV)

Not just re-enactors. Silent film buffs can be some of the nastiest, picky bitches you'd ever hate to meet.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing (aka Eloquent Depression) at October 16, 2024 10:52 AM (Q0kLU)

243 3 weeks until the election. Just enough time to grow the unrest to a point where going to the polls in some places becomes a dicey proposition, making the claims that Trump voters stayed home on election day valid enough for government work.

This opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it, but it'll be interesting what happens in the next few days.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1845963129026498974.html
Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 16, 2024 10:46 AM (FCbAQ)

Certainly not beyond the realm of possibility.

Posted by: mrp at October 16, 2024 10:52 AM (rj6Yv)

244 @240

>>Ever had the great individual contributor promoted to manager but they had no managerial skills?

True, but you gotta give the guy something for his efforts, maybe a new wardrobe, and gift card to supercuts to cut that hippy mop of his, and possibly dialect coaching so he can stop sounding like an extra from Fargo.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 16, 2024 10:52 AM (XV/Pl)

245 From King Philip Murphy the unaccountable - 101.5, October 15, 2024, in part -

🔰Another $120M in medical debt is being erased in NJ
🔰NJ and non-profit Undue bought more past-due debt
🔰Follows $100M debt forgiveness in August
TRENTON – About 77,000 New Jersey individuals and families will have some or all of their medical debt eliminated, Gov. Phil Murphy announced on Tuesday, in a second-round of a partnership launched in August.

Along with the non-profit Undue Medical Debt, the state used about $900,000 in federal American Rescue Plan funds to buy up a total of $120 million in past-due medical debt in New Jersey.
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The American Rescue Plan, our tax dollars at work rescuing Multi-Employer Union pensions and alleged medical debt 👍.

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at October 16, 2024 10:53 AM (NFX2v)

246 Georgetown WBB @GeorgetownWBB
Georgetown women's basketball mourns the tragic loss of Sydney Wilson (C'13). Forever a Hoya.
#HoyaSaxa

Readers added context they thought people might want to know
Sydney Wilson attempted to stab a police officer, who then shot her in self-defense.
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Georgetown is a Jesuit College. Keep your back to the wall.

Posted by: Pudinhead at October 16, 2024 10:53 AM (c711F)

247 Election Wizard @ElectionWiz 3h
BREAKING — Top Democrats in Pennsylvania are worried Harris’ operation is being poorly run, reports POLITICO.

Democrats have been concerned for months that Harris’ campaign doesn’t understand Pennsylvania and isn’t connecting with ‘voters of color’ in Philly and Pittsburgh.

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at October 16, 2024 10:53 AM (hovnC)

248 244 True, but you gotta give the guy something for his efforts, maybe a new wardrobe, and gift card to supercuts to cut that hippy mop of his, and possibly dialect coaching so he can stop sounding like an extra from Fargo.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 16, 2024 10:52 AM (XV/Pl)

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He needs to be made a consultant to help design processes for 18 months and then sent back into the field to run his efforts in one state for 6 straight months while the RNC applies his methods everywhere else.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 16, 2024 10:53 AM (GBKbO)

249 I'm a cat-petter
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 16, 2024 10

Thanks for the help with Trumpy and Snowflake Wolfus.

I appreciate it greatly.

Posted by: Stateless at October 16, 2024 10:54 AM (0A6jY)

250 240 236 Pressler should be put in charge of all GOTV ops going forward.

The dude is a little off putting in his look and mid-western Patau but the dude is a hustler and deserves to be rewarded.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 16, 2024 10:49 AM (XV/Pl)

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Not necessarily.

Ever had the great individual contributor promoted to manager but they had no managerial skills?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 16, 2024 10:50 AM (GBKbO)

Managers are made, not born. This guy's skills need to be replicated throughout the RNC. Make him a manager, and teach him what he needs to know. If the guy truly turned PA around, on the other hand, he didn't do it by himself. He probably knows how to manage already.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 16, 2024 10:54 AM (NzKzT)

251 @248

>>He needs to be made a consultant to help design processes for 18 months and then sent back into the field to run his efforts in one state for 6 straight months while the RNC applies his methods everywhere else.

This is a good plan, sold.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 16, 2024 10:55 AM (XV/Pl)

252 And another state, WI:

https://x.com/TonerousHyus/status/
1846565287740473390

No partisan registration data, so pulling based on relative voting patterns of counties.

Red counties returning ballots at much higher rates than blue ones.

It really, really doesn't feel like a pro-Democrat environment at all out there.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 16, 2024 10:55 AM (GBKbO)

253 What I got out of that is the boyfriend is a beta pussy.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at October 16, 2024 10:44 AM (D6PGr)

Or... some guy who doesn't want to be prosecuted when accused of hitting a woman.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 16, 2024 10:55 AM (ExV1e)

254 Mary is traditionally clothed in blue because
1. Blue is the color of the heavens
2. The Ark of the Covenant was covered in blue cloth and she is the new Ark
3. Blue is the color of the tassels Jews were supposed to wear - holy color
4. Blue (ultramarine) was the most expensive color in ye olde days so it was fitting for the Queen of Heaven (eastern icons frequently clothed her in gold for the same reason)

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at October 16, 2024 10:56 AM (R3UG3)

255 251 @248

>>He needs to be made a consultant to help design processes for 18 months and then sent back into the field to run his efforts in one state for 6 straight months while the RNC applies his methods everywhere else.

This is a good plan, sold.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 16, 2024 10:55 AM (XV/Pl)

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He seems like the kind of guy who would die if put in an office.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 16, 2024 10:56 AM (GBKbO)

256 I'm in the ER with my elderly mother. She's fine. Getting pills and leaving soon.

Poor dude right next to us is a bicyclist. Truck turned into him. Horrible pain. Neck brace.

Ughhh.

Posted by: Stateless at October 16, 2024 10:57 AM (0A6jY)

257 Presler's plan doesn't seem all that complicated. He learns the voter registration and early voting rules and then goes every place he can to try and register new voters and he does not slow down.

There are show ponies and work horses. Presler is a work horse.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 16, 2024 10:57 AM (LkLld)

258 Islamic Scholar Lets Slip the Truth: ‘If Preserving Life Had Priority, There Would Be No Jihad’

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Or Planned Parenthhood.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at October 16, 2024 10:57 AM (L/fGl)

259 256 Poor dude right next to us is a bicyclist. Truck turned into him. Horrible pain. Neck brace.

Ughhh.
Posted by: Stateless at October 16, 2024 10:57 AM (0A6jY)

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He's the only one in the world who remembers The Beatles!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, finding suspense, madness, and humanity with Michael Powell at October 16, 2024 10:58 AM (GBKbO)

260 POLITICO @politico 17h
Michigan Firefighters union skips presidential endorsement in another blow to Harris ow.ly/G9l6105LZLP

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at October 16, 2024 10:59 AM (hovnC)

261 Presler's plan doesn't seem all that complicated. He learns the voter registration and early voting rules and then goes every place he can to try and register new voters and he does not slow down.

There are show ponies and work horses. Presler is a work horse.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 16, 2024 10:57 AM (LkLld)

He's Michael Myers.

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 16, 2024 10:59 AM (CIS44)

262 Pudinhead, are you going to be at the MoMe this weekend?
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Where is it?

I guess that's a "no." Corsicana, southeast of Dallas. Link in the home page sidebar.

Posted by: Oddbob at October 16, 2024 10:59 AM (/y8xj)

263 251 @248

>>He needs to be made a consultant to help design processes for 18 months and then sent back into the field to run his efforts in one state for 6 straight months while the RNC applies his methods everywhere else.

This is a good plan, sold.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 16, 2024 10:55 AM (XV/Pl)

Agreed, TJM.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 16, 2024 11:00 AM (NzKzT)

264 U nas yest' NOOD.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 16, 2024 11:00 AM (v6JzV)

265 Democrats have been concerned for months that Harris’ campaign doesn’t understand Pennsylvania and isn’t connecting with ‘voters of color’ in Philly and Pittsburgh.
Posted by: andycanuck

Shit...is there another where's podcast we can schedule? Eh...FoxNews is close enough.

Posted by: Harris Campaign at October 16, 2024 11:00 AM (JCZqz)

266 262 Pudinhead, are you going to be at the MoMe this weekend?
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Where is it?

I guess that's a "no." Corsicana, southeast of Dallas. Link in the home page sidebar.
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Yeah, that would be a no. Corsicana sounds a lot like a Corvair Corsa, though.

Posted by: Pudinhead at October 16, 2024 11:01 AM (c711F)

267 Real Mac Report @RealMacReport 11h
Joe Biden: "She beat Trump so badly in the debate, he's scared to death to beat her again.”

https://tinyurl.com/cxmux5hb
8 seconds; Angry Joe: "That's a fact. Right? Tough guy. Tough guy."

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at October 16, 2024 11:03 AM (hovnC)

268 Isn't Musk helping with the GOTV? Thought I saw something posted here last week about that.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at October 16, 2024 10:48 AM (Dm8we)

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His PAC is offering something like $47 for every new registration in PA.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

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For the seven swing states. The link is in my nic.

Posted by: ShainS -- Assassination is The Ultimate Form of Censorship at October 16, 2024 11:04 AM (yvl61)

269 >>Isn't Musk helping with the GOTV? Thought I saw something posted here last week about that.

Aside from the $75 million he put down to start a PAC to do just that he is heading to PA for a number of free speeches to help with the GOTV effort.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 16, 2024 11:06 AM (LkLld)

270 Yep.

DogeDesigner @cb_doge 9h
BREAKING: Elon Musk has donated ~$75 million to his America PAC. It was created to support key values like Secure Borders, Sensible Spending, Self-Protection and Safe Cities.

Posted by: andycanuck (hovnC) at October 16, 2024 11:07 AM (hovnC)

271 I once made a trip to DC with the kids. The youngest was around 12 at the time and uninterested in the National Gallery's offerings. So while the others wandered around to get their fill, he and I made a game of counting the "flying baby heads" in the classical art section.

Posted by: red speck at October 16, 2024 11:15 AM (oylnX)

272 Damn, that's gorgeous.

Posted by: Caiwyn at October 16, 2024 11:22 AM (BaIXK)

273 My parish growing up was Immaculate Conception. There was a statue based on this painting in the church.

The statue was much better crafted IMO. Quite beautiful

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Posted by: Ammina at October 16, 2024 12:57 PM (46E11)

275 Mary had to be pure and full of grace and "immaculate" as she was going to bear Jesus. She then as assumed to Heaven on her death without any corruption.

She crushes Satan at her heel. She feels the piercing of the sword of death knowing that Jesus would be painfully sacrificed and bear all of our sins.

Koran mistakenly mixes up her parents, St. Joachim and St. Anne with the parents of Miriam from Exodus from 1600 years before. One of many errors.

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