What would Eric Hoffer, The Longshoreman Philosopher, be thinking about now?

We did not need a longshoremen's strike to go with Helene

There have been a lot of stories of outrageous behaviour involving government ineptitude and even seeming hostility toward victims during Hurricane Helene and recovery efforts, including even preventing private citizens from helping with relief. And in the middle of this, we had a longshoremen's strike!

Coincidentally, I read a quote from Eric Hoffer, the Longshoreman Philosopher, from a social media friend, and I wondered what Hoffer might be thinking about recent developments both with the longshoremen (he thought a lot about societal change) and about the response to the hurricane.

There have been many ruinous governmental actions in response to Helene, but we may be about at this point now:

I am once again screaming that the govt is actually a full employment program for theatre kids with otherwise useless liberal arts degrees.

They latch onto useful sounding programs and demand to be paid off before anything can happen.
— Andrew Follett (@AndrewCFollett) October 5, 2024

So, here's the old quote from Eric Hoffer which my social media friend has been thinking about. Was Hoffer right decades ago?

Just one of a multitude of trends going on throughout the liberal (positive sense), west I've been trying to wrap my mind around.
Nothing is so unsettling to a social order as the presence of a mass of scribes without suitable employment and an acknowledged status…The explosive component in the contemporary scene is not the clamor of the masses but the self-righteous claims of a multitude of graduates from schools and universities. This army of scribes is clamoring for a society in which planning, regulation, and supervision are paramount and the prerogative of the educated.
They hanker for the scribe’s golden age, for a return to something like the scribe-dominated societies of ancient Egypt, China, and the Europe of the Middle Ages. There is little doubt that the present trend in the new and renovated countries toward social regimentation stems partly from the need to create adequate employment for a large number of scribes." - Eric Hoffer, The Ordeal of Change

Published 2006 (essays on the duality and essentiality of change in man throughout history. (Restored to print by noted author Christopher Klim.)

What happens when the scribes can't read books anymore?

In 1967, government left a small footprint on the lives of individuals. In an interview from that year by CBS’s Eric Sevareid, longshoreman philosopher Eric Hoffer praises how America is country for the common man and warned about the corruptibility of the all-knowing intellectuals who seek to become puppet-masters.

Some of the worst tyrannies of our day genuinely are "vowed" to the service of mankind, yet can function only by pitting neighbor against neighbor. The all-seeing eye of a totalitarian regime is usually the watchful eye of the next-door neighbor.
Eric Hoffer

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The Longshoremen's Strike

The Longshoremen's strike promised to be a big headache for hurricane recovery and for the Biden/Harris Administration. The strike was put on hold for 3 months yesterday, but cargo is still stacked up. Ron DeSantis promised to keep Florida ports open using the national guard.

Ace has serious questions about the agreement to delay the strike. But don't comment on yesterday's thread.

Ed Morrissey:

Well, my my my. How coincidental is this date? In one fell swoop, Joe Biden and his team not only pushed USMX into increasing the costs of dock labor to end this strike before the election, they also kicked the can down the road long enough to make it a problem for the next president.
This kind of cuts in both directions, too. Obviously, Biden and Kamala Harris needed to deliver for union members while not impacting consumers with shortages and higher prices in the days before an election. But now Biden can wash his hands of the automation issue, and so can Harris if she loses the election. The suspension leaves a stinky turd for Donald Trump if he wins just as he's about to take office, assuming that ILA and USMX can't settle on automation restrictions. And the rapid increase in labor costs built into the wage agreement over the next six years will incentivize USMX to expand automation as much as possible, so don't expect this to get settled without another strike during Inauguration Week.

GayFamilyValues gives the credit to Mayor Pete for negotiating the delay with a conditional 62% pay raise and some sort of agreement to reject automation.

The truckers were not impressed with the strike.

The Daily Caller suggests that we look at foreign shipping companies, too.

Things seem more complex than they were when Eric Hoffer was writing.

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56 I haven't read it, but I want to plug KT's recommendation in the thread yesterday, of Sean McMeekin's The Rise and Fall and Rise of Communism.
Posted by: Dr. T at September 29, 2024 09:18 AM
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I recommend reading it in tandem with Hillaire Belloc's The Great Heresies, which I believe is the right way to view Marxism. Certainly the contemporary Christian leaders saw it in that light.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at September 29, 2024 09:44 AM

Belloc's book, from 1938, is from a Roman Catholic perspective.

Interesting customer review.

Posted by: K.T. at 11:09 AM

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1 Good morning KT

Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2024 11:15 AM (fwDg9)

2 Hi, Skip!

Posted by: KT at October 05, 2024 11:16 AM (xekrU)

3 The army of scribes - worse than locusts.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 05, 2024 11:17 AM (S6gqv)

4 Good news, everyone!

Secretary Antony Blinken
@SecBlinken
The U.S. is at the forefront of humanitarian response to the growing crisis in Lebanon, announcing nearly $157 million in assistance today. We are committed to supporting those in need and delivering essential aid to displaced civilians, refugees and the communities hosting them.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 05, 2024 11:18 AM (L/fGl)

5 Ever think of Tim Walz as someone who produced his own army of scribes as a teacher? And with that ultra-leftist ethnic studies course designer . . . .

Posted by: KT at October 05, 2024 11:19 AM (xekrU)

6 Blinken is one of those useless scribes who wants to rule…

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 05, 2024 11:19 AM (ZiaCc)

7 Common man today is derided as white supremacist, conspiracy theory believing anti science troglodyte.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 05, 2024 11:19 AM (0FHbm)

8 Perhaps, perhaps

Wow. That looks illegal in many jurisdictions.

Posted by: t-bird at October 05, 2024 11:20 AM (3fFru)

9 $150M for Lebanon.
$750 for North Carolina residents

Nice.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 05, 2024 11:21 AM (0FHbm)

10 So... Oilfield Rando is not going to complain when it's later discovered $140 million disappeared to fraudulent Helene claims, right? RIGHT?

Posted by: GWB at October 05, 2024 11:21 AM (DDSgs)

11 Seriously? Those bastards are giving money to terrorists instead of American citizens who are literally dying for help?

Dear God... Help me to quench the flames of hatred that burn for these evil creatures.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 05, 2024 11:21 AM (4XwPj)

12 "The Daily Caller suggests that we look at foreign shipping companies, too."

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I'd say it's more than a suggestion. As many have been saying for decades, we gave away American manufacturing, so a handful of people in this country could get rich, and so foreign nations, especially Chi Nah, could get get richer and richer until the American economy was no longer anything other than a host off which the parasites could drain our blood.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2024 11:21 AM (J4UmJ)

13 Blinken is one of those useless scribes who wants to rule…
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 05, 2024 11:19 AM (ZiaCc)

Except he's not.

As evil and idiotic as he is, he still exerts real power. He's actually ruling.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2024 11:24 AM (J4UmJ)

14 The great manufacturing decimation began with nafta. Which was created by Papa Bush. The amount of damage that crime family has done to this country is indescribable.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 05, 2024 11:24 AM (0FHbm)

15 $150M for Lebanon.
$750 for North Carolina residents

Nice.
Posted by: Settled Science at October 05, 2024 11:21 AM (0FHbm)

Maybe everyone should stop looking to the government to bail themselves out of events like this.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 05, 2024 11:24 AM (g8Ew8)

16 $150M for Lebanon.
$750 for North Carolina residents

Hold on, there! We're not just giving that money away to every Tom, Dick, and Harry (in fact, if that's your name, you're probably not getting any). You've got to apply to see if you're qualified to receive this magnanimous gift.

Our team of inspectors will be in touch.

Posted by: FEMA at October 05, 2024 11:25 AM (3fFru)

17 GWB at October 05, 2024 11:21 AM

Maybe applicants can get an app for automatic approval, like Haitian illegals.

Posted by: KT at October 05, 2024 11:25 AM (xekrU)

18

Maybe everyone should stop looking to the government to bail themselves out of events like this.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 05, 2024 11:24 AM (g8Ew

I’ll go buy a helicopter and keep it fueled up just in case.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 05, 2024 11:27 AM (0FHbm)

19 Wonderful links.
Who knew KT was such a thinker? I bookmarked at least 2 links.
Kudos, kiddo.

Posted by: MkY at October 05, 2024 11:27 AM (cPGH3)

20 GWB at October 05, 2024 11:21 AM

In California, a lot of COVID relief money went to Nigerian scammers. AND to Bank of America and other NGOs who were supposed to be doing fraud control.

Posted by: KT at October 05, 2024 11:28 AM (xekrU)

21 The great manufacturing decimation began with nafta. Which was created by Papa Bush.

The 1973 oil crisis (RIH Henry Kissinger) and the flight of US steel production is when it started for this part of the country. (that I noticed. Maybe there was something earlier)

Posted by: t-bird at October 05, 2024 11:28 AM (9SBJU)

22 Maybe just my opinion, these strikes are just to get out front of society civilization before everyone else catches up. Then decades later it starts all over again.
WTF is their job worth close to double their pay?
They just get first crack at it

Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2024 11:29 AM (fwDg9)

23 >>> 10 So... Oilfield Rando is not going to complain when it's later discovered $140 million disappeared to fraudulent Helene claims, right? RIGHT?
Posted by: GWB at October 05, 2024 11:21 AM (DDSgs)

I don't see this guy mentioned in the post. Is there interesting he said about Helene?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 11:29 AM (FnneF)

24 Eric Hoffer is the first so called social philosopher that I actually "got" in my youth. Even though I had a lot of liberal beliefs that kinda go with being young and inexperienced, he cut right through that crap with me.

Posted by: pawn at October 05, 2024 11:29 AM (QB+5g)

25 The Longshoremen's strike promised to be a big headache for hurricane recovery and for the Biden/Harris Administration.
Also, still baffled by this idea. What comes in through our ports that could be an urgent necessity for disaster recovery and rescue? Heck, even rebuilding?

Lumber and other wood products (including TP)? Nope - overland within US and from Canada.
Construction equipment? All they're going to use is already here.
Fuel? Nope - that gets refined here, with just the crude usually imported.
First aid supplies? I sure hope not.
Tents and other shelters? Again, likely to only be things already in America.

What, pray tell, was going to come off those ships in the next 3 weeks that would actually impact rescue and recovery efforts? Can someone please point to something? Otherwise it sounds like just another "This is a crisis because we say it is!"

Posted by: GWB at October 05, 2024 11:29 AM (DDSgs)

26 I'd say it's more than a suggestion. As many have been saying for decades, we gave away American manufacturing, so a handful of people in this country could get rich, and so foreign nations, especially Chi Nah, could get get richer and richer until the American economy was no longer anything other than a host off which the parasites could drain our blood.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2024 11:21 AM (J4UmJ)

Spain had the same problem during the "Golden Era" where the gold coming from the Indies were more profitable than manufacturing, and banking was the only growth industry. The crown eventually tried to embargo foreign goods to support Spanish industry, and the result was a massive increase in smuggling, and in the North, a small industry in manufacturing tags that said "made in Spain"
a fair amount of our problem is from inflation, and that is due to the FED acting as a central bank, and our fiat money system.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 05, 2024 11:29 AM (D7oie)

27 is there SOMETHING interesting

need more coffee

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 11:29 AM (FnneF)

28 >>> 20 GWB at October 05, 2024 11:21 AM

In California, a lot of COVID relief money went to Nigerian scammers. AND to Bank of America and other NGOs who were supposed to be doing fraud control.
Posted by: KT at October 05, 2024 11:28 AM (xekrU)

"fraud control" and feralgov seem to be contradictory

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 11:31 AM (FnneF)

29 Harris Allies Seeing Walz's (Easily Disprovable) Lies as a Major Liability

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He's America's dad!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 05, 2024 11:31 AM (L/fGl)

30 What, pray tell, was going to come off those ships in the next 3 weeks that would actually impact rescue and recovery efforts? Can someone please point to something? Otherwise it sounds like just another "This is a crisis because we say it is!"
Posted by: GWB at October 05, 2024 11:29 AM (DDSgs)

Europe is getting most of its natural gas from the US. It is going to be a cold, cold winter in Germany.

However a lot of hardware from hinges to nails come from Asia, and it is cheaper to bring them into Atlantic ports.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 05, 2024 11:32 AM (D7oie)

31 I heard that the shutting down the airspace around Richmond Airport was needed. One strip airport. Folks were pouring in with relief supplies from all over, and they were overwhelmed.
Helo pilots were saying they saw over a dozen aircraft within 5 miles of each other. Most those craft don't have radar, nor transponders... it's line of sight. Not safe.
But... military aircraft control should have been pre-positioned. Get all the volunteers on the same wavelength (literally) and coordinate.
Government failure, but not quite the same as described/

Posted by: MkY at October 05, 2024 11:32 AM (cPGH3)

32 ***The all-seeing eye of a totalitarian regime is usually the watchful eye of the next-door neighbor.***

See something - Say something

Posted by: Braenyard at October 05, 2024 11:32 AM (+JNKR)

33 NOAA pre-season predictions for the Atlantic basin:

-- 17 to 25 named storms
-- 8 to 13 hurricanes
-- 4 to 7 major hurricanes of Cat 3 strength and above

So far, with two months to go:

-- 12 named storms (Milton next week will be 13)
-- 7 hurricanes
-- 3 major hurricanes of Cat 3 and above

Posted by: one hour sober at October 05, 2024 11:33 AM (Y1sOo)

34 The NC situation is barely a mention in the msm anymore. It’s all evil Joos killing innocent terrorists and Trump Jan 6 bullshit.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 05, 2024 11:33 AM (0FHbm)

35 We should start referring to Hurricane Kamala.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 05, 2024 11:34 AM (uxCna)

36 Good morning good people.

Maybe everyone should stop looking to the government to bail themselves out of events like this.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons

While I do have natural water from a mountain stream right off the back yard, I think it's time for an IBC 275 gal container for potable water. I can't count on the stream being drinkable in an emergency. Food, fuel and shelter I've secured. Meds though are going to be an issue.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 05, 2024 11:34 AM (WXNFJ)

37 As a young man, before working construction, saw on a very very large construction project and a man who was a heavy machinery union worker ( think cranes or bulldozers) had the cushy job of running a elevator. Sat in a chair , asked what floor you were going to and pushed the elevator button like you would. Probably ready to retire soon so got the ultimate job.

Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2024 11:35 AM (fwDg9)

38 Europe is getting most of its natural gas from the US. It is going to be a cold, cold winter in Germany.

I checked that - the strike only affected containers, not natural gas or other energy exports.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 05, 2024 11:35 AM (uxCna)

39 >>> 15 $150M for Lebanon.
$750 for North Carolina residents

Nice.
Posted by: Settled Science at October 05, 2024 11:21 AM (0FHbm)

Maybe everyone should stop looking to the government to bail themselves out of events like this.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 05, 2024 11:24 AM (g8Ew

Yes, it is a very good idea not to be dependent on feralgov for assistance. (There are some things very difficult to do as individuals, but you would think state-level could do most heavy lifting.) It would be nice if they stopped laundering money through foreign countries, er, providing shittons of aid to foreign governments *especially* when they aren't doing anything useful here.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 11:36 AM (FnneF)

40 I don't see this guy mentioned in the post. Is there interesting he said about Helene?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 11:29 AM (FnneF)
The tweet embedded near the top.

Posted by: GWB at October 05, 2024 11:36 AM (DDSgs)

41 TY ARC, I didn't know that.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 05, 2024 11:36 AM (D7oie)

42 I must say that withholding aid after a disaster as a method of voter suppression in an upcoming election is a new low, even for the Democratic Party.

And David Axelrod is gleeful about it.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 05, 2024 11:36 AM (uxCna)

43 The message is clear. From now on any natural disaster in a rural and/or Republican area will be ignored by FEMA. But if NYC gets 3 inches of snow or there’s a wildfire anywhere near Los Angeles, 10,000 FEMA personnel will be ready to help with $100B to spend.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 05, 2024 11:37 AM (0FHbm)

44 >>> 40 I don't see this guy mentioned in the post. Is there interesting he said about Helene?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 11:29 AM (FnneF)
The tweet embedded near the top.
Posted by: GWB at October 05, 2024 11:36 AM (DDSgs)

Thanks, I thought I had checked all the links.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 11:38 AM (FnneF)

45 TY ARC, I didn't know that.

First thing I wondered about the strike - there were articles from Texas where port authorities explained that it wasn't going to affect natural gas exports.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 05, 2024 11:38 AM (uxCna)

46
42 I must say that withholding aid after a disaster as a method of voter suppression in an upcoming election is a new low, even for the Democratic Part

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By any means necessary motherfucker.

Posted by: Settled Science at October 05, 2024 11:39 AM (0FHbm)

47 In California, a lot of COVID relief money went to Nigerian scammers. AND to Bank of America and other NGOs who were supposed to be doing fraud control.
Posted by: KT at October 05, 2024 11:28 AM (xekrU)

Nigerian scammers go to bed at night, wishing they could be as good at it as BoA, Blackrock, Vanguard, etc.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2024 11:39 AM (g5d9x)

48 "Europe is getting most of its natural gas from the US. It is going to be a cold, cold winter in Germany."

Hmmm...does the LS union have anything to do with LNG exports? I thought it was mostly containerized cargo and not specialized bulk stuff like grain, cement and LNG.

Posted by: pawn at October 05, 2024 11:40 AM (QB+5g)

49 He's America's dad!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

So was Bill Cosby. How did that go?

Posted by: Rohypnol, FTW! at October 05, 2024 11:43 AM (CV8a5)

50 >>> 31 I heard that the shutting down the airspace around Richmond Airport was needed. One strip airport. Folks were pouring in with relief supplies from all over, and they were overwhelmed.
Helo pilots were saying they saw over a dozen aircraft within 5 miles of each other. Most those craft don't have radar, nor transponders... it's line of sight. Not safe.
But... military aircraft control should have been pre-positioned. Get all the volunteers on the same wavelength (literally) and coordinate.
Government failure, but not quite the same as described/
Posted by: MkY at October 05, 2024 11:32 AM (cPGH3)

I don't know if anyone expected it to be *this* bad, but you'd think the EXPERTS!!! we're supposed to TRUST! would have levels of contingency plans with details on how to coordinate depending on whether or not they can contact key locations after events, ready to go *before* this kind of mess gets going.
It doesn't help that there doesn't seem to be nearly the level of activity going on that you would expect even if it were limited only to military / police / S&R helicopters.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 11:43 AM (FnneF)

51 In California, a lot of COVID relief money went to Nigerian scammers.

Now ask yourself where the billions of dollars spent on "homeless" went that California can't be account for.

We're turning into a Third World country in a lot of ways - California is just a little farther ahead of the curve.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 05, 2024 11:43 AM (uxCna)

52 Posted by: one hour sober at October 05, 2024 11:33 AM (Y1sOo)

This is a good nic.

Posted by: I like it at October 05, 2024 11:43 AM (WxgaY)

53 It wouldn't surprise me if the fed or a few of their financial surrogates will start trying to buy up all the effected properties and land.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 05, 2024 11:44 AM (g8Ew8)

54 Speaking of fraud at the state level during Covid, CNN commits actual journalism about Minnesota under Walz, although with more than a tinge of "Republicans pounce" thrown in.

http://tiny.cc/cbvozz

Posted by: one hour sober at October 05, 2024 11:46 AM (Y1sOo)

55 We're turning into a Third World country in a lot of ways - California is just a little farther ahead of the curve.

I briefly lived in Chicago under Mayor Richard J. Daley - I joked then that Chicago governance was "good government plus 10%" - Chicago city services were generally decent, you just paid a bit more for them than you should have.

Now, they increasingly simply steal the money without any pretense of providing services.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 05, 2024 11:47 AM (uxCna)

56 "It wouldn't surprise me if the fed or a few of their financial surrogates will start trying to buy up all the effected properties and land."

Most long time residents in the hills are pretty savy concerning flooding. I don't think there's going to be a big rush to build back near the creeks and rivers.

Posted by: pawn at October 05, 2024 11:48 AM (QB+5g)

57 >>> 36
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While I do have natural water from a mountain stream right off the back yard, I think it's time for an IBC 275 gal container for potable water. I can't count on the stream being drinkable in an emergency. Food, fuel and shelter I've secured. Meds though are going to be an issue.
Posted by: Tonypete at October 05, 2024 11:34 AM (WXNFJ)

Although I do have some contingencies in place, I should be doing better for water. You really need to look at how much your water bill shows, especially with seasonal variation, to get an idea of a minimum level of use. I'm looking at collecting of the roof of my house (note different states may be more or less asshoe about this) - rule of thumb is 1" of rain on 1k sq ft of horizontal roof area is about 600 gallons of water.
For meds, some doctors may be willing to prescribe longer-term supplies; I've seen at least one example of not taking a dose of a given med to start building a reserve.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 11:48 AM (FnneF)

58 Socialism then Marxism is all about everyone relying on the government, those in power get the most, everyone else gets handouts just enough to survive. Opponents get nothing.

Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2024 11:48 AM (fwDg9)

59 Reading the Daily Caller's solution would still be fewer stevedores because fewer ships. America's port operators solution of more automation also fewer stevedores.
The concept of fewer ships is antithetical to the American way.
We need more manufacturing here. And we need more shipping to send our products to foreign consumers.

Automation is here, if union masters were worth their salt they would be helping the stevedores to transition into new jobs.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 05, 2024 11:48 AM (+JNKR)

60 Sat in a chair , asked what floor you were going to and pushed the elevator button like you would. Probably ready to retire soon so got the ultimate job.
Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2024 11:35 AM (fwDg9)

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You sneer, but a job like that really does have its ups and downs.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at October 05, 2024 11:48 AM (kbyy+)

61 I posted a couple of YouTube videos yesterday from one of the helicopter pilots doing rescues. They're worth watching.

One story he told about a particular rescue is pretty bad ass. He lands at a piece of property were there is assembled a group people. Men, women, kids. The women and kids are evacuated. Before leaving to search the area he's told by one of the men that up the mountain there's a group of about 40 or so people that are stranded. They need food, water but can remain.

The pilot asks if there's enough room to land (he needs about an acre of clearing) and the guy says; "there will be." And off he goes. The pilot returns to the area about an hour later and, sure enough there's a LZ cleared of debris and brush. One acre. Cleared by hand. In an hour.

Our government could never do that. Ever.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 05, 2024 11:51 AM (Q4IgG)

62 42 I must say that withholding aid after a disaster as a method of voter suppression in an upcoming election is a new low, even for the Democratic Part

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"It worked, didn't it?"

Posted by: The Wit and Wisdom of Harry Reid at October 05, 2024 11:51 AM (kbyy+)

63 >>> 56 "It wouldn't surprise me if the fed or a few of their financial surrogates will start trying to buy up all the effected properties and land."

Most long time residents in the hills are pretty savy concerning flooding. I don't think there's going to be a big rush to build back near the creeks and rivers.

Posted by: pawn at October 05, 2024 11:48 AM (QB+5g)

It wasn't just (very nasty and destructive) flooding though; there have been landslides / mudslides in places as there was a previous rain that left much of the ground saturated before Helene got there.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 11:53 AM (FnneF)

64 Now they're banning finger guns.

Travis Kelce Blasts NFL For Punishing Player Over Finger Gun Celebration: "It's My Second Amendment!"

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 05, 2024 11:54 AM (L/fGl)

65 >>>I've seen at least one example of not taking a dose of a given med to start building a reserve.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 11:48 AM (FnneF)
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Back up doc, back up script ISO 3166-2:CA or MX.
Glenn Beck addressed this issue while he was at FOX.
It's common around here to receive 90 day prescription.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 05, 2024 11:55 AM (+JNKR)

66 Maybe everyone should stop looking to the government to bail themselves out of events like this.

Absolutely! Also, the govt should stop taking my money and pretending to help And, the govt should not intervene when we try to help each other!

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at October 05, 2024 11:55 AM (PcTds)

67 It wouldn't surprise me if the fed or a few of their financial surrogates will start trying to buy up all the effected properties and land.

I looked up Lahaina on zillow, which has the current satellite picture. Every pile of ashes on the ocean side of Front St is 4--5 million. Every other pile in the rest of the downtown is about 1.5 million. How can that be?

http://alturl.com/cav6x

Posted by: t-bird at October 05, 2024 11:56 AM (l5F6b)

68 Nutria are invading SF and colonizing sections of the city- Gateway Pundit

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at October 05, 2024 11:56 AM (h7Tgu)

69 "It worked, didn't it?"

I am sometimes amazed by how much my attitude has changed from twenty years ago - back then, my attitude was that government was somewhat competent, and not generally malignant.

Since then, every governmental agency has been weaponized in the service of the Deep State - the fact that FEMA's main function in the disaster is to keep private citizens from providing aid to a rural Republican area in advance of an election seems absolutely deliberate.

I wouldn't have thought that twenty years ago.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 05, 2024 11:57 AM (uxCna)

70 Posted by: Settled Science at October 05, 2024 11:37 AM (0FHbm)

Sure. The master class takes from the helots. It doesn't give to the helots. What else is the point of helotry?

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 05, 2024 11:57 AM (awTae)

71 >>> 67 It wouldn't surprise me if the fed or a few of their financial surrogates will start trying to buy up all the effected properties and land.
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I looked up Lahaina on zillow, which has the current satellite picture. Every pile of ashes on the ocean side of Front St is 4--5 million. Every other pile in the rest of the downtown is about 1.5 million. How can that be?

http://alturl.com/cav6x
Posted by: t-bird at October 05, 2024 11:56 AM (l5F6b)

Unrealized Gains, bitches.

*cackles*

Posted by: KamKam! at October 05, 2024 11:57 AM (FnneF)

72 FEMA @fema
After applying for disaster assistance, one of our inspectors may contact you within 10 days to schedule an inspection at the damaged address.

I would check the fine print before signing anything. I wouldn't want to be selling my house for $750!

On second thought, I'd rather not sign anything.

Posted by: t-bird at October 05, 2024 11:58 AM (l5F6b)

73 42 it would feel better if Politico and Axelrod weren't outright gloating about it.

Posted by: Boulder Terlit Hobo at October 05, 2024 11:59 AM (WhQwj)

74 What, pray tell, was going to come off those ships in the next 3 weeks that would actually impact rescue and recovery efforts? Can someone please point to something? Otherwise it sounds like just another "This is a crisis because we say it is!"
Posted by: GWB at October 05, 2024 11:29 AM (DDSgs)

What about the espresso machines for all the FEMA field offices? What about that, eh?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 05, 2024 12:00 PM (0rBPF)

75 60 Sat in a chair , asked what floor you were going to and pushed the elevator button like you would. Probably ready to retire soon so got the ultimate job.
Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2024 11:35 AM (fwDg9)
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That's where the longshoremen are. That job was a hold over from and era when there were no buttons. The elevator operator literally operated a rotating handle that controlled the motion, when to go and when and where to stop; another control piece that caused the doors to open and shut.
No automation whatsoever.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 05, 2024 12:01 PM (+JNKR)

76 Just wait until the insurance claims start dropping. You'll see another level of corruption and mismanagement.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 05, 2024 12:01 PM (Q4IgG)

77 >>> 72 FEMA @fema
After applying for disaster assistance, one of our inspectors may contact you within 10 days to schedule an inspection at the damaged address.
==
I would check the fine print before signing anything. I wouldn't want to be selling my house for $750!

On second thought, I'd rather not sign anything.
Posted by: t-bird at October 05, 2024 11:58 AM (l5F6b)

Also, "may contact you within 10 days" - they *might* do what, try to call on your landline which is now 20 miles downstream or your cell phone with a dead battery or HA! email, within a week and a half to *schedule* for when, 6 months later?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 12:01 PM (FnneF)

78 I wouldn't have thought that twenty years ago.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 05, 2024 11:57 AM (uxCna)

It is startling and I’ve had the same transformation. 20 years ago I was enthusiastic about W thinking him a wonderful and thoughtful conservative…
In retrospect I view that election as deep state Bush vs deep state Kerry…. Uniparty v uniparty

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 05, 2024 12:03 PM (v/5Y9)

79 Since then, every governmental agency has been weaponized in the service of the Deep State

That really started under Obama - for example, faking government economic statistics to make the Democrats look good (followed by unpublicized "adjustments" downwards a few months later).

That's only gotten worse under Biden/Harris - the operating assumption now is that any economic numbers are faked (like the just-released good employment numbers), and that an "adjustment" to the numbers downwards will follow after the election.

I assume that if Harris wins, we'll go full Soviet, and stop releasing the "adjustments".

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 05, 2024 12:03 PM (uxCna)

80 Remember there is no Harris-flation

Also, a 62% salary increase is needed because of all the inflation.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 05, 2024 12:03 PM (oZhjI)

81 What time is the rally?

Posted by: Eromero at October 05, 2024 12:04 PM (o2ZRX)

82 OT: the latest adaptation of Salem's Lot on Max (HBO) was amateur dreck. Not enough build-up, felt like it was rushing to the end, none of the main players were relatable as rational humans dealing with the strange and unusual. It's bad enough that Stephen King might like it.

"Salem's Lot" by Dead Can Dance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN3Lcf_P7JM
(There are no words, just vocalizations, but I like it)

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at October 05, 2024 12:05 PM (3bS+W)

83 Depressing 17 minute video about what's going on in Ubisoft. Depressing because I suspect this is not only Ubisoft, not only the gaming industry, but all elite businesses.

https://is.gd/ExAPm0

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 05, 2024 12:05 PM (L/fGl)

84

Credit where it's due. I had never heard of Eric Hoffer, until Mark Levin talked of him, along with Karl Popper, Hayek and a number of other brilliant thinkers and authors that really molded my outlook over the past 20 years or so.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 05, 2024 12:05 PM (x0n13)

85 I view that election as deep state Bush vs deep state Kerry…. Uniparty v uniparty

Shrub is the "far right" of the uniparty. Which means he talks about things the voters want but didn't do them. I remember the discussions about how much of our bloated $2T budget he would cut and how many departments he would close down.

Looking back on it...ugh.

But TBH the problem wasn't so much Shrub - it was Hastert who was installed in '99. From that point forward the GOPe became controlled opposition

Posted by: 18-1 at October 05, 2024 12:06 PM (oZhjI)

86 FEMA showed its, uhm, political and physical fallibility during Katrina. MS was hit much harder and suffered more than LA.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 05, 2024 12:06 PM (+JNKR)

87
At the show. Lots of fallout after yesterday. It's all greaseball stuff but it looks like a lot of dishes are going to be broken.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 05, 2024 12:06 PM (Xxha1)

88 I'm reading parts of the Old Testament and it's amazing how we today keep falling into the same patterns of error as they recorded.

Right now in 1 Kings 12
After Solomon dies, Jeroboam, who had rebelled against Solomon and been hiding in Egypt, came to Solomon's son Rehoboam.
With all the people of Israel, Jeroboam asks new king Rehoboam to lighten the yoke Solomon laid on the people.
Rehoboam's advisers were split - the old men said lighten the load, and the young ones who had grown up with Rehoboam said show them who's boss.
So the ahole doubled down. He's like, my pinkie is thicker than my dad's dick.
And that's why God took most of the kingdom away from him and gave it to Jeroboam.
And both kingdoms fall into idolatry and sin and get invaded and destroyed,

Anyway, that's where we are now - a divided nation, on the brink of invasion and destruction.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at October 05, 2024 12:06 PM (WbaIk)

89 What time is the rally?

Someone said 5pm on the previous thread. The lines were already huge. Standing room only on the roofs!

Posted by: t-bird at October 05, 2024 12:07 PM (Fr3vV)

90 The explosive component in the contemporary scene is not the clamor of the masses but the self-righteous claims of a multitude of graduates from schools and universities.

So let me get this straight.
In Amerika today we have the Super Elites/Political Class in Power
The the Elites...those currying favor and seeking entry into the Super Elite level.
Then there is the Aristocracy...2nd and 3rd Gen family members of the Elites and other strap hangers.
Then there are the "Educated Ones" who have their Ivy League diplomas
These constitute say...2% of all Americans.
Then there are the All Others...educated but who really have employable skills.
The Masses
And somewhere...probably above the Masses, are the Illegals.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 05, 2024 12:08 PM (W/lyH)

91 Automation is here, if union masters were worth their salt they would be helping the stevedores to transition into new jobs.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 05, 2024 11:48 AM (+JNKR)

If it was left up to the unions, there wouldn't be such things as containerized shipping. Unions are the epitome of non-progressive progressives.

Posted by: Dr Pork Chops & Bacons at October 05, 2024 12:09 PM (g8Ew8)

92 What about the espresso machines for all the FEMA field offices? What about that, eh?

After the Indian Ocean tsunami, the US Navy had been providing actual relief services for a number of days, and the UN finally flew a team of "disaster experts" to Jakarta.

They set up shop in a five-star hotel, and their first priority was to ensure that they could get room service 24x7 - after all, they were going to be working around the clock, so it was important that they could be fed.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 05, 2024 12:09 PM (uxCna)

93 Dead can Dance has some interesting music. A favorite of mine: https://tinyurl.com/5ff2ux4k

Posted by: 18-1 at October 05, 2024 12:09 PM (oZhjI)

94 Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at October 05, 2024 12:06 PM (WbaIk)
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Rehoboam: My father chastised you with whips; I shall chastise you with scorpions.

Jeroboam: To your tents, O Israel!

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at October 05, 2024 12:09 PM (VdhcA)

95 >>>But TBH the problem wasn't so much Shrub - it was Hastert who was installed in '99. From that point forward the GOPe became controlled opposition
Posted by: 18-1
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He was a compromised person. We must eliminate compromisable persons from positions of authority.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 05, 2024 12:10 PM (+JNKR)

96
One acre. Cleared by hand. In an hour.

Our government could never do that. Ever.
Posted by: Martini Farmer

Was it a diverse workforce?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 05, 2024 12:10 PM (63Dwl)

97 @93 That's "Dance with the Dead". Dead Can Dance put out there first album in 1981.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at October 05, 2024 12:11 PM (3bS+W)

98 Someone said 5pm on the previous thread. The lines were already huge. Standing room only on the roofs!
Posted by: t-bird at October 05, 2024 12:07 PM (Fr3vV)

How can anyone stand on sloped roofs??!!

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 05, 2024 12:11 PM (v/5Y9)

99 Salem's Lot" by Dead Can Dance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN3Lcf_P7JM
(There are no words, just vocalizations, but I like it)
Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at October 05, 2024 12:05 PM (3bS+W)

Dead Can Dance's Saltarello is a fave of mine.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV phone at October 05, 2024 12:12 PM (KIx4e)

100 After the Indian Ocean tsunami, the US Navy had been providing actual relief services for a number of days, and the UN finally flew a team of "disaster experts" to Jakarta.

They set up shop in a five-star hotel, and their first priority was to ensure that they could get room service 24x7 - after all, they were going to be working around the clock, so it was important that they could be fed.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 05, 2024 12:09 PM (uxCna)
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The DiploMad was charge d'affaires (IIRR) in Sri Lanka at the time, and he noted this as well.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at October 05, 2024 12:12 PM (VdhcA)

101 If it was left up to the unions, there wouldn't be such things as containerized shipping.

The longshoremen fought containerization tooth-and-nail - not only did it reduce the number of jobs, but it made it harder to steal goods coming off of the ships, and the longshoremen viewed stealing a percentage of the goods as one of the perks of the job.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 05, 2024 12:12 PM (uxCna)

102 Unions are the epitome of *snip*.
Posted by: Dr Pork Chops

You misspelled 'leaches'.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 05, 2024 12:12 PM (qeYBT)

103 Belloc's book, from 1938, is from a Roman Catholic perspective.

GK Chesterson was besties with Belloc. I was just describing to a friend how visionary Chesterson was.

Posted by: kallisto at October 05, 2024 12:13 PM (dCxaZ)

104 How can anyone stand on sloped roofs??!!
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 05, 2024 12:11 PM (v/5Y9)

Oh, come on, Eileen!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 05, 2024 12:13 PM (0rBPF)

105 I would check the fine print before signing anything. I wouldn't want to be selling my house for $750!

On second thought, I'd rather not sign anything.
Posted by: t-bird at October 05, 2024 11:58 AM (l5F6b)

Hmmm...$750 is one week of work at MacDonalds/Starbucks/where-ever.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 05, 2024 12:13 PM (W/lyH)

106 102 You misspelled 'leaches'.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 05, 2024 12:12 PM (qeYBT)

Umm... so did you! Leeches. ;-)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 05, 2024 12:14 PM (x0n13)

107 @99 Same here, very Renaissance. No lie, I had a cat that was totally into it, he stopped whatever he was doing to listen. 😅

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at October 05, 2024 12:14 PM (3bS+W)

108 The $750 thing is the purest insult I've ever seen delivered by our government.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 05, 2024 12:15 PM (oZhjI)

109 What, pray tell, was going to come off those ships in the next 3 weeks that would actually impact rescue and recovery efforts? Can someone please point to something? Otherwise it sounds like just another "This is a crisis because we say it is!"
Posted by: GWB at October 05, 2024 11:29 AM (DDSgs)

A lot of fuel moves in intra-coastal shipments.

Posted by: Fox2! at October 05, 2024 12:15 PM (L6oJY)

110 You misspelled 'leaches'.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 05, 2024 12:12 PM (qeYBT)

Umm... so did you! Leeches. ;-)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 05, 2024 12:14 PM (x0n13)
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Well, they do ooze their way into things...

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at October 05, 2024 12:15 PM (VdhcA)

111 How can anyone stand on sloped roofs??!!
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 05, 2024 12:11 PM (v/5Y9)

Oh, come on, Eileen!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 05, 2024 12:13 PM (0rBPF)

Oh Roundeye! You mispell Ireen!

Posted by: Mr Tanaka at October 05, 2024 12:15 PM (W/lyH)

112

Umm... so did you! Leeches. ;-)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Oh, ouch... schooled early in the new year!
DOH!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at October 05, 2024 12:15 PM (qeYBT)

113 Quick! It's an emergency! I need a Doctor of Humanities!

Posted by: No One Ever at October 05, 2024 12:16 PM (+xrWz)

114 104 How can anyone stand on sloped roofs??!!
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 05, 2024 12:11 PM (v/5Y9)

Oh, come on, Eileen!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 05, 2024 12:13 PM (0rBPF)

Is that a direction to a Chinese porn actor or an observation.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 05, 2024 12:16 PM (x0n13)

115 Coming soon to a neighborhood near you!

Haitian gang slaughters 70, including infants, in mass shooting as UN calls for international aid

https://is.gd/VGfe6v

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 05, 2024 12:16 PM (L/fGl)

116 $750 is not going to help solve any problems.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 05, 2024 12:17 PM (+JNKR)

117 113 Quick! It's an emergency! I need a Doctor of Humanities!
Posted by: No One Ever at October 05, 2024 12:16 PM (+xrWz)
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He needs to know what to think of this painting posted by CBD, stat!

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at October 05, 2024 12:17 PM (3bS+W)

118
Harris Allies Seeing Walz's (Easily Disprovable) Lies as a Major Liability

As if Harris didn't lie:

♪ Here a lie, there a lie, never cooked a French Fry ♪

/ Need Moldoon to fill in the rest

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 05, 2024 12:18 PM (RKVpM)

119 I cannot comprehend how our govt is so proud to give millions to the enemy! Of course there is a humanitarian crisis--they are at war!

Blinken would have dropped food and supplies into Nazi Germany if he had been alive then.

Posted by: PJU at October 05, 2024 12:18 PM (RRCAT)

120 I am going to mention two examples and then bring it back to the topic at hand.

Fluoride in water: concern in the 90's - brushed off by voices with clout and reach. Now acknowledged to be bad.

Vaccines: concern in the 90's, now being reevaluated.

I am an anti-vaccer, but I didn't say anything here (even before the covid response) because I avoid disagreement.

Now: weather manipulation: the technology is available and I am going on record as saying that And why would we, the little people, not think that it is being used against us.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at October 05, 2024 12:18 PM (PcTds)

121 And P.S., you know all those millions will go for munitions and terror against Israel and us.

Posted by: PJU at October 05, 2024 12:18 PM (RRCAT)

122 International aid should look a whole lot like a complete takeover of the government with a carpetbagger style approach, indifferent to the culture.

Posted by: Ripped at October 05, 2024 12:19 PM (+xrWz)

123 I cannot comprehend how our govt is so proud to give millions to the enemy! Of course there is a humanitarian crisis--they are at war!

The only things America should be dropping on Gaza are bombs. The only thing America should be landing in Gaza are soldiers with orders to kill the Gaza political leadership.

They killed/kidnapped Americans and our government paid them for it. That's textbook treason.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 05, 2024 12:19 PM (oZhjI)

124 Yeah - we're shipping more than a hundred million bucks off to a country that has tolerated the existence of the world's most dangerous terrorist organization for the last forty years.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 05, 2024 12:20 PM (uxCna)

125 104 How can anyone stand on sloped roofs??!!
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 05, 2024 12:11 PM (v/5Y9)

Oh, come on, Eileen!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 05, 2024 12:13 PM (0rBPF)

Is that a direction to a Chinese porn actor or an observation.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 05, 2024 12:16 PM (x0n13)

LoL… I will admit I’ve lost the plot on this

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 05, 2024 12:20 PM (/suuz)

126 120 Now: weather manipulation: the technology is available and I am going on record as saying that And why would we, the little people, not think that it is being used against us.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at October 05, 2024 12:18 PM (PcTds)

Not MY kind of weather mmanipulation! IYKWIM.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at October 05, 2024 12:21 PM (x0n13)

127 Salem's Lot" by Dead Can Dance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN3Lcf_P7JM
(There are no words, just vocalizations, but I like it)
Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at October 05, 2024 12:05 PM (3bS+W)

Dead Can Dance's Saltarello is a fave of mine.
Posted by: Napoleon XIV phone at October 05, 2024 12:12 PM (KIx4e)

Such a fascinating act, with a long and varied career.

Brendan Perry sings in English, with clear, crisp, sometimes deep and moving lyrics. Lisa Gerrard makes up her own "languages" at times, with a strong, rich voice that somehow captures emotion without ever needing to be understood in words.

One of my favorites: https://tinyurl.com/mrar5b47

The lyrics here are a poem by Bertolt Brecht.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2024 12:21 PM (xKNfA)

128 115 Coming soon to a neighborhood near you!

Haitian gang slaughters 70, including infants, in mass shooting as UN calls for international aid

https://is.gd/VGfe6v
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 05, 2024 12:16 PM (L/fGl)
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The Harris/Biden admin is probably already working on a plan to get the gang airlifted to a small town in flyover country.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at October 05, 2024 12:22 PM (3bS+W)

129 My sportsball teams are playing today. Who has time to worry about floods or terrorists getting hundreds of millions of dollars.

Posted by: Most Americans at October 05, 2024 12:22 PM (0FHbm)

130 ♪ Here a lie, there a lie, never cooked a French Fry ♪

-
https://is.gd/PGZYZm

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 05, 2024 12:22 PM (L/fGl)

131 Nice music and dance.

Mrs Diogenes wishes I could do that.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 05, 2024 12:23 PM (W/lyH)

132 Anyway, that's where we are now - a divided nation, on the brink of invasion and destruction

God have mercy.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at October 05, 2024 12:23 PM (PcTds)

133 Yeah - we're shipping more than a hundred million bucks off to a country that has tolerated the existence of the world's most dangerous terrorist organization for the last forty years.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 05, 2024 12:20 PM (uxCna)

Why, you'd almost think funding both sides of a war have nothing to do with solving the problem.

Almost.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2024 12:23 PM (xKNfA)

134 Where, exactly, is that $157M coming from? Do they just have that laying around in their back pocket? Was it allocated by Congress? If not, then it must just be a general-purpose slush fund; why not allocate it to disaster relief? The mind boggles. From a public-relations standpoint alone, it's an enormous insult.

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at October 05, 2024 12:23 PM (XMwZJ)

135 The only things America should be dropping on Gaza are bombs. The only thing America should be landing in Gaza are soldiers with orders to kill the Gaza political leadership.
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Drops tons and tons of Prozac. Put it in the water too. Then lead them to the gates of Egypt and shut the door behind them.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 05, 2024 12:24 PM (+JNKR)

136 $750 is not going to help solve any problems.

Indeed. Especially with the possibility that it puts one under the govt's boot.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at October 05, 2024 12:24 PM (PcTds)

137 Are North Carolinans going to be able to vote? Also, I have no idea what North Carolinans call themselves.

Posted by: Ripped at October 05, 2024 12:24 PM (+xrWz)

138 @127 Am I the only person who thought Brendan Perry sounded a little like Frank Sinatra? Case in point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bXZY9tRdLA

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at October 05, 2024 12:25 PM (3bS+W)

139 Are North Carolinans going to be able to vote? Also, I have no idea what North Carolinans call themselves.
Posted by: Ripped at October 05, 2024 12:24 PM (+xrWz)
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Tarheels?

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight, Concertina Czar at October 05, 2024 12:25 PM (VdhcA)

140 Are North Carolinans going to be able to vote?

Sure - the ones in the big blue cities.

As for the rural hicks up in the boonies -

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

Posted by: David Axelrod! at October 05, 2024 12:26 PM (uxCna)

141 Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2024 12:21 PM (xKNfA)

That last one was Brendan doing his thing. Here's Lisa:

https://tinyurl.com/c6mc6wvs

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2024 12:27 PM (xKNfA)

142 Democrats: Hire the handicapped. It's fun to watch them campaign.

Posted by: Ripped at October 05, 2024 12:27 PM (+xrWz)

143 Wind speeds circling Tropical Depression - 14 in the western Gulf:

http://tiny.cc/yivozz

Posted by: one hour sober at October 05, 2024 12:28 PM (Y1sOo)

144 138 @127 Am I the only person who thought Brendan Perry sounded a little like Frank Sinatra? Case in point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bXZY9tRdLA
Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at October 05, 2024 12:25 PM (3bS+W)

Heh, no you are not.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2024 12:28 PM (xKNfA)

145
$750 is not going to help solve any problems.

With ID. No ID, no money. So, if you escaped the flood with nothing but the clothes on your back, no money.

Also, home insured? No money. Now, your basic homeowners policy does not cover flood damage. Still... no money.

Kamala's plan.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 05, 2024 12:28 PM (RKVpM)

146 Rule by the "elite" wouldn't be so bad if they were actually elite (at something). Our "elites" are functionally retarded. Not exactly an ideal situation.

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at October 05, 2024 12:28 PM (XMwZJ)

147 Blah.

Posted by: Ribbed at October 05, 2024 12:29 PM (+xrWz)

148 Not MY kind of weather manipulation! IYKWIM.

🤣 I do know what you mean and it annoys me that those kinds of accusations are used to distract from the fact that there is truth to weather manipulation reasoning.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at October 05, 2024 12:29 PM (PcTds)

149 Meant to say wind speeds *picking up*

Around 40 mph on the south side of the core of circulation.

Posted by: one hour sober at October 05, 2024 12:30 PM (Y1sOo)

150 Cloud seeding caused massive flooding in..?. I think, Dubai?

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at October 05, 2024 12:31 PM (4XwPj)

151 Rule by the "elite" wouldn't be so bad if they were actually elite (at something). Our "elites" are functionally retarded. Not exactly an ideal situation.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at October 05, 2024 12:28 PM (XMwZJ)

Curtis Yarvin contrasts the reign of someone like Louis XIV, and our petty bureaucrats.

Louis doesn't have to consider anything other than what's best for the people. He's not in it for the money, doesn't need to consolidate power, isn't competing with other petty bureaucrats. When he gets a good idea, he says "it shall be done," and it is.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2024 12:32 PM (xKNfA)

152 143 Wind speeds circling Tropical Depression - 14 in the western Gulf:

http://tiny.cc/yivozz
Posted by: one hour sober
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That thing is in the classical chute. Probably too early for Bastardi.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 05, 2024 12:32 PM (+JNKR)

153 Meds though are going to be an issue.
Posted by: Tonypete at October 05, 2024 11:34 AM (WXNFJ)

My understanding is that Jase medical out of Colorado? I think? Is dedicated to supplying prescription meds for emergencies.

They have a program that supplies up to a year of your meds at once... you just provide them your prescription and they schedule an interview or online chat and there ya be... voila. Not cheap but you must weigh the cost of no meds in an emergency with the alternative.

Posted by: Derak at October 05, 2024 12:33 PM (rNR4k)

154 KT, what a beautiful song and dance! Would it fall into the Spanish guitar classification? Much more erotic than stupid sex scenes in TV and movies.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at October 05, 2024 12:35 PM (PcTds)

155 Even the Bourbon nobility, cloistered in their opulent estates, didn't harbor the kind of disdain for the commoners that our ruling class does. Disdain doesn't even begin to describe it - it's just naked hatred.

Those nobles were all too willing to kill the peasants in any number of ways, if it served their interests.

But the American ruling class actually does blindly despise its subjects. A course of action can run counter to their own interests, and they'll pursue it anyway, as long as it harms us.

It might be the first ruling class in history that seeks to eventually snuff itself out by destroying every person beneath it.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 05, 2024 12:37 PM (awTae)

156 How can anyone stand on sloped roofs??!!

I'm hoping Musk and Trump make them into parking attendants, bring in some actual security.

Posted by: t-bird at October 05, 2024 12:38 PM (Fr3vV)

157 Drops tons and tons of Prozac. Put it in the water too. Then lead them to the gates of Egypt and shut the door behind them

I like it, just don't think Egypt will have the door open.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at October 05, 2024 12:38 PM (PcTds)

158 3h
Current thinking. Feature over Yucatan comes out first and across Fla Monday and might even become a storm in its own right out at sea. But second feature is the beast that will burden FLA Wed/Thu and worries about 1921 Tampa similarities as its the time of year and pattern that could do it IMO
_Bastardi

Posted by: Braenyard at October 05, 2024 12:38 PM (+JNKR)

159
Have you seen this? Roads GONE.

This is Lake Lure, NC.

https://youtu.be/MYdC-6nShdc?si=ntqcHhattcet1JIA&t=68

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 05, 2024 12:39 PM (xTBXp)

160 >>>Probably too early for Bastardi.

Naw, he's commented on it.

Posted by: one hour sober at October 05, 2024 12:39 PM (Y1sOo)

161 >>> 153
==
My understanding is that Jase medical out of Colorado? I think? Is dedicated to supplying prescription meds for emergencies.

They have a program that supplies up to a year of your meds at once... you just provide them your prescription and they schedule an interview or online chat and there ya be... voila. Not cheap but you must weigh the cost of no meds in an emergency with the alternative.

Posted by: Derak at October 05, 2024 12:33 PM (rNR4k)

Maybe you are thinking of another source? At first glance, this doesn't seem to be what Jase offers:
https://shorturl.at/PLSRV

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 12:40 PM (FnneF)

162 141 Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2024 12:21 PM (xKNfA)

That last one was Brendan doing his thing. Here's Lisa:

https://tinyurl.com/c6mc6wvs
Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2024 12:27 PM (xKNfA)
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In my mind, 2:55 is when the Seraphim respond. One of my all time favorites of theirs.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at October 05, 2024 12:40 PM (3bS+W)

163 Chesterton was an art and literature major. Belloc attended oratory school. Could be a couple of you rant-n-ravers should zip up your micropeepees and admit your problems are your own, and not thrust up you by those mean old arts majors.

It's been fifty years since arts majors ran the companies and the big departments. Compared to the MBA specialists whose asses your noses are up, things were good then. If you wanted the corner office, peon, you should not have chained yourself to Upper Form Applied Arithmetic. You'll be in the cubicle forever.

Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at October 05, 2024 12:41 PM (zdLoL)

164 >>>I like it, just don't think Egypt will have the door open.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel
--------------------------------------

That's Egypt's and the muslim world's problem. They are responsible for their brothers. It's their decision whether to help them or not. Blinken could throw some cash at Egypt to help soothe their burden.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 05, 2024 12:41 PM (+JNKR)

165 Jeroboam: To your tents, O Israel!
Posted by: Captain Obvious,

Sad thing is God would've protected Jeroboam's new Northern Kingdom from Assyria if they had been faithful.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at October 05, 2024 12:42 PM (WbaIk)

166 Well,kestrel, you were wrong about fluoride and about vaccines. Hundreds of thousands of lives were saved.
So I will take your considerations about the weather, similarly.

Posted by: Boulder Terlit Hobo at October 05, 2024 12:42 PM (sycsh)

167 In my mind, 2:55 is when the Seraphim respond. One of my all time favorites of theirs.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at October 05, 2024 12:40 PM (3bS+W)

She sings in the same range as my late first wife.

At times it's hard for me to listen to her. But not today.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2024 12:43 PM (xKNfA)

168 Wasn't there a similar "payout" after another natural disaster that pretty much insulted everyone?

Or is it more or less SOP for these assholes?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 05, 2024 12:43 PM (Q4IgG)

169 Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 12:40 PM (FnneF)

Hmmm. My friend just got a years supply of his hypertension meds from Jase. I'm pretty sure.

They're the one that provide antibiotics in a "Jase case".

I'll ask and follow up.
D

Posted by: Derak at October 05, 2024 12:43 PM (rNR4k)

170 Moslems rioting in Rome, Italy.

https://www.twitch.tv/humandilemma?sr=a

Posted by: Ciampino - my home town so to speak at October 05, 2024 12:44 PM (qfLjt)

171
It might be the first ruling class in history that seeks to eventually snuff itself out by destroying every person beneath it.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 05, 2024 12:37 PM (awTae)

I think it's the globalism.
The "elites" see themselves as global elites. America is just their current kinda cringey neighborhood; they don't give a crap about it.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at October 05, 2024 12:45 PM (WbaIk)

172 Wasn't there a similar "payout" after another natural disaster that pretty much insulted everyone?

Or is it more or less SOP for these assholes?
Posted by: Martini Farmer

I think it's a pittance because FEMA actually has to work during a disaster, and that isn't why many of them joined.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at October 05, 2024 12:45 PM (VNX3d)

173
Evidently, this area, Chimney Rock, NC, was used to film scenes in the movie Last of the Mohicans.

Here's the waterfall:

https://youtu.be/MYdC-6nShdc?si=Fn2RvLaWqYw4XM7N&t=273

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 05, 2024 12:45 PM (xTBXp)

174 136 $750 is not going to help solve any problems.

Indeed. Especially with the possibility that it puts one under the govt's boot.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at October 05, 2024 12:24 PM (PcTds)

We are already under the government's boot.

Posted by: That ship done sailed at October 05, 2024 12:45 PM (8vw5b)

175 >>Wasn't there a similar "payout" after another natural disaster that pretty much insulted everyone?

Hawaii after the fire. Same thing. $750.

Posted by: garrett at October 05, 2024 12:47 PM (82BzC)

176 That's why Joe O'Biden was so jocular at the press briefing, into which he stepped to crow about his wonderful victory, the "settlement" of the strike.

Whether the end result shits all over Harris or Trump, it's OK with him, because he hates both of them.

And for sure it will shit all over the U.S., which he hates as well.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at October 05, 2024 12:47 PM (nWmNS)

177 Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 12:40 PM (FnneF)

The program is called Jase Daily. At Jasemedical dot com.

Posted by: Derak at October 05, 2024 12:47 PM (rNR4k)

178 So I will take your considerations about the weather, similarly.
Posted by: Boulder Terlit Hobo at October 05, 2024 12:42 PM (sycsh)

Still wearing three masks?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 05, 2024 12:48 PM (0rBPF)

179
Have you seen this? Roads GONE.

I watched a sped up video of a guy on an ATV driving up a road paralleling the creek/river. A lot of bulldozers are working to restore one lane road. Maybe 60% asphalt left, 39% mud or dirt, 1% under water from lack of drain pipes.

I guess one lane is better then none, but people better have 4 wheel drive.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at October 05, 2024 12:48 PM (RKVpM)

180 >>> 166 Well,kestrel, you were wrong about fluoride and about vaccines. Hundreds of thousands of lives were saved.
So I will take your considerations about the weather, similarly.
Posted by: Boulder Terlit Hobo at October 05, 2024 12:42 PM (sycsh)

BTH *you* were, and still are, wrong about everything "covid". Why don't you go put on a couple dozen more masks, you might get cooties by posting here.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 12:48 PM (FnneF)

181 159
Have you seen this? Roads GONE.

This is Lake Lure, NC.

https://youtu.be/MYdC-6nShdc?si=ntqcHhattcet1JIA&t=68
Posted by: Soothsayer
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All the way to Chimney Rock; not one dead person, no people in trees. Tore the hell out of everything though. Musk had a tweet up last night more or less challenging Blinken - spoke of impediments to help and wanted to talk to him personally. Last time I looked the richest, smartest man in the world had received no response.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 05, 2024 12:48 PM (+JNKR)

182 If you like Dead Can Dance, you probably will like Carpenter Brut

youtu.be/wy9r2qeouiQ

Posted by: Kindltot at October 05, 2024 12:50 PM (D7oie)

183 >>> 169 Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 12:40 PM (FnneF)

Hmmm. My friend just got a years supply of his hypertension meds from Jase. I'm pretty sure.

They're the one that provide antibiotics in a "Jase case".

I'll ask and follow up.
D
Posted by: Derak at October 05, 2024 12:43 PM (rNR4k)

Much appreciated.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 12:50 PM (FnneF)

184 >>> 177 Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 12:40 PM (FnneF)

The program is called Jase Daily. At Jasemedical dot com.

Posted by: Derak at October 05, 2024 12:47 PM (rNR4k)

... and there you are. The Horde is awesome.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 12:51 PM (FnneF)

185 >>>Whether the end result shits all over Harris or Trump, it's OK with him, because he hates both of them.

And for sure it will shit all over the U.S., which he hates as well.
Posted by: Mr Gaga
---------------------

You could see the anger and contempt on his face.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 05, 2024 12:52 PM (+JNKR)

186 They're the one that provide antibiotics in a "Jase case".

I'll ask and follow up.
D
Posted by: Derak at October 05, 2024 12:43 PM (rNR4k)

Much appreciated.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 12:50 PM (FnneF)

Yikes! Very expensive. Get a list of the meds contained in it, and make a trip to Mexico.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 05, 2024 12:53 PM (0rBPF)

187 Well,kestrel, you were wrong about fluoride and about vaccines. Hundreds of thousands of lives were saved.
So I will take your considerations about the weather, similarly.
Posted by: Boulder Terlit Hobo at October 05, 2024 12:42 PM (sycsh)

Four questions: What evidence would it take to change your mind on these subjects? How do you figure to evaluate this evidence if you find it? What would it mean to the other things you know for certain? and. Have you bothered to look?

Posted by: Kindltot at October 05, 2024 12:53 PM (D7oie)

188 Cloud seeding caused massive flooding in..?. I think, Dubai?

Yes, and casually mentioned by the media as though cloud seeding is something familiar to everyone.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at October 05, 2024 12:54 PM (PcTds)

189 Cloud seeding caused massive flooding in..?. I think, Dubai?
--------
Yea, I think so... it was pretty epic looking too. Massive amounts of water, flooded roadways, inside buildings, etc.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 05, 2024 12:54 PM (Q4IgG)

190 "Last time I looked the richest, smartest man in the world had received no response."

It's hard to find the response for some reason (hmmm...) but here is something. Read the whole thing especially Elon's response.

https://tinyurl.com/3wm8kr84

Posted by: pawn at October 05, 2024 12:55 PM (QB+5g)

191 164 >>>I like it, just don't think Egypt will have the door open.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel
--------------------------------------

That's Egypt's and the muslim world's problem. They are responsible for their brothers. It's their decision whether to help them or not. Blinken could throw some cash at Egypt to help soothe their burden.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 05, 2024 12:41 PM (+JNKR
They’re pretty shaky on the Five Pillars, except Shahada-declaration making one a muslim.
and Hajj- pilgrimage to Mecca.
the other 3, Sawm alms (charity),
Zakat -fasting,
and Salah, prayer five times a day toward Mecca.
Those can be sketchy.

Posted by: Eromero at October 05, 2024 12:57 PM (o2ZRX)

192 Cloud seeding caused massive flooding in..?. I think, Dubai?

Yes, and casually mentioned by the media as though cloud seeding is something familiar to everyone.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at October 05, 2024 12:54 PM (PcTds)

Cloud seeding is a pretty iffy proposition. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Best case? You have a cloud that is due to drop rain somewhere, and you are able to direct that rain where it is needed.

Nekkid wimmenz doing a rain dance at least provides entertainment for the onlookers.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 05, 2024 12:57 PM (0rBPF)

193 So I will take your considerations about the weather, similarly.
Posted by: Boulder Terlit Hobo at October 05, 2024 12:42 PM (sycsh)

Still wearing three masks?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 05, 2024 12:48 PM (0rBPF)

I started working with a new colleague. He's gotten every "booster."

Ok then, one subject right there we will NOT be discussing.

Some people were just broken.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2024 12:59 PM (xKNfA)

194 I've pulled up perhaps perhaps perhaps on YouTube and that will be my clean the house music.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at October 05, 2024 12:59 PM (PcTds)

195 Cloud seeding caused massive flooding in..?. I think, Dubai?

-------
Yes, and casually mentioned by the media as though cloud seeding is something familiar to everyone.
Posted by: AmericanKestrel at October 05, 2024 12:54 PM (PcTds)

I had a patient many moons ago, wouldn't stop talking about chem trails.

This was supposedly evidence of his insanity (although everyone knew he was very intelligent and well educated).

This being 2024, I'm not saying I believe it, but I am listening to the arguments.

Same with "vaccines."

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2024 01:02 PM (xKNfA)

196 When container shipping was getting started, the longshoreman got a deal where the senior half of union members would continue to be paid until retirement while being required to do no work at all, based on the agreement not to burn the ports to the ground. I suspect a similar deal will be in the works over automation.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 05, 2024 01:02 PM (IMKWe)

197 Yikes! Very expensive. Get a list of the meds contained in it, and make a trip to Mexico.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
---------------------

My limited experience with Mexican medical protocol.
Went to MX, scripts from my Dr. in hand. American *scripts are not valid in MX. I had to go to a Mexican doctor, whose office was conveniently located above the pharmacy to obtain valid prescriptions. The time and expense for that was nominal but it was part of the program.

*having American scripts may or may not have helped obtaining Mexican scripts

Posted by: Braenyard at October 05, 2024 01:03 PM (+JNKR)

198 Louis doesn't have to consider anything other than what's best for the people. He's not in it for the money, doesn't need to consolidate power, isn't competing with other petty bureaucrats. When he gets a good idea, he says "it shall be done," and it is.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2024 12:32 PM (xKNfA)

Yarvin is an idiot, Louis didn't do crap, his ministers, secretaries, dogsbodies and tax collectors did. And every single one of them had their hand out since it wasn't their kingdom, it was a job to get them rich.

Yarvis misses that the reason Louis' kingdom did as well as it did was because of his lack of reach and power over the economy. The one thing the French Kings were in control of was the money, the taxes, and what loyalty it could buy from the army and the peerage, everything else was run in spite of that by the people who lived in the economy.
When John Law instigated his Land Based currency because the King needed more money, the King destroyed the one thing he had power over, and almost brought the kingdom down. That shock led to the financial crisis in the 1790's which did bring the royal family down.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 05, 2024 01:03 PM (D7oie)

199 >>> 181
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All the way to Chimney Rock; not one dead person, no people in trees. Tore the hell out of everything though. Musk had a tweet up last night more or less challenging Blinken - spoke of impediments to help and wanted to talk to him personally. Last time I looked the richest, smartest man in the world had received no response.
Posted by: Braenyard at October 05, 2024 12:48 PM (+JNKR)

There are several other ewe tubbers who have *reported* seeing bodies in towns or who show interviews with other witnesses reporting the same; many specifically say they will *not* show such images.
Re. the 'bodies in trees' what do people imagine this means? I rather doubt there are places where there are dozens of trees holding bodies like freaking Christmas ornaments. However, when you have such insane flooding and mudslides sweeping houses off foundations, what is so implausible about one or two people who drowned and were later deposited in something that normally is well above the river? For that matter, could some who drowned be buried in mud/debris deposited further downstream? How long will it take to find all or even most of the fatalities?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 01:05 PM (FnneF)

200 Nekkid wimmenz doing a rain dance at least provides entertainment for the onlookers

Well, I mean, killing cows is seriously being promoted to save the earth, so maybe we are back to the old, old ways.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at October 05, 2024 01:05 PM (PcTds)

201 I was just told by a cow worker Karen that the increase of whooping cough and diptheria were NOT caused by the border invaders, but by Americans refusing to vaccinate their children. I left the office before she blamed it on President Trump

Posted by: Eromero at October 05, 2024 01:05 PM (o2ZRX)

202 If you're not squeamish, look into buying meds from India. We've got some antibiotics, ivermectin and some other medications from an Indian outfit. My wife has the details and I can ask her for them if anyone's interested.

FWIW some of the stuff I get via a script at Walgreens comes from India.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 05, 2024 01:06 PM (Q4IgG)

203 My limited experience with Mexican medical protocol.
Went to MX, scripts from my Dr. in hand. American *scripts are not valid in MX. I had to go to a Mexican doctor, whose office was conveniently located above the pharmacy to obtain valid prescriptions. The time and expense for that was nominal but it was part of the program.

*having American scripts may or may not have helped obtaining Mexican scripts
Posted by: Braenyard at October 05, 2024 01:03 PM (+JNKR)

Many meds in MX are sold OTC, no scrip needed, Ivermectin being one of them.

But to assemble a portable pharmacy like the "Jase Case", I would probably want to work with a Mexican doctor, and have a scrip filled.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 05, 2024 01:06 PM (0rBPF)

204 I listened to Tucker's session with Alex Jones and Jack Posobiec, and before he brought Alex out, Tucker says he was chatting with a guy recently, someone who is not very political, but leans left.

The guy was telling Tucker about a story he'd heard, about how chemicals were causing frogs to change genders. And Tucker, who couldn't resist, said "you mean they're turning the frogs gay?"

The other guy thought about it for a second, and said, "Yeah, you could say that."

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2024 01:07 PM (xKNfA)

205 If the government really was worried about "misinformation" and conspiracy theories they would;

1) Stop lying about everything
2) Be very, very open about when they got things wrong and why

And in many cases I believe they are intentionally pushing the more outlandish conspiracy theories because it helps paint everyone questioning them as crazy.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 05, 2024 01:07 PM (oZhjI)

206 #9 Missouri is ... struggling against TAM.

24-0 pending the EP.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 05, 2024 01:08 PM (IMKWe)

207 166 Well,kestrel, you were wrong about fluoride and about vaccines. Hundreds of thousands of lives were saved.
So I will take your considerations about the weather, similarly.
Posted by: Boulder Terlit Hobo at October 05, 2024 12:42 PM (sycsh)

Him sad. Brain broken.

Posted by: we are beyond thunderome at October 05, 2024 01:08 PM (8vw5b)

208 increase of whooping cough and diptheria were NOT caused by the border invaders, but by Americans refusing to vaccinate their children

We've had several disease outbreaks that tracked exactly where the illegals were.

Now of course they are everywhere so you can't directly track them and their impacts the same ways

Posted by: 18-1 at October 05, 2024 01:08 PM (oZhjI)

209 Him sad. Brain broken.
Posted by: we are beyond thunderome at October 05, 2024 01:08 PM (8vw5b)

It's tragic really.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 05, 2024 01:10 PM (IMKWe)

210 >>>"Following their public conversation, Musk posted a message thanking Buttigieg for speaking with him offline.

“Thanks for the call. Hopefully, we can resolve this soon,” Musk replied vaguely, leaving people to wonder about what transpired."
_the Hill
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1 minute ago _ Pinned Tweet
Elon Musk @elonmusk 8h

SpaceX engineers are trying to deliver Starlink terminals & supplies to devastated areas in North Carolina right now and @FEMA is both failing to help AND won’t let others help. This is unconscionable!!

They just took this video a few hours ago, where you can see the level of devastation: roads, houses, electricity, water supply and ground Internet connections completely destroyed.

@FEMA wouldn’t let them land to deliver critical supplies … my blood is boiling …

Posted by: Braenyard at October 05, 2024 01:12 PM (+JNKR)

211 increase of whooping cough and diptheria were NOT caused by the border invaders, but by Americans refusing to vaccinate their children

We've had several disease outbreaks that tracked exactly where the illegals were.

Now of course they are everywhere so you can't directly track them and their impacts the same ways
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And since I've already outed myself as a crazy conspiracy theorist, I will add...perhaps it is a hygiene issue, not necessarily a vaccine issue.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at October 05, 2024 01:12 PM (PcTds)

212 Yarvin is an idiot...
Posted by: Kindltot at October 05, 2024 01:03 PM (D7oie)

Nah, he's just engaging in mental masturbation. At least that's how I take it.

The way we're doing it now isn't working.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2024 01:13 PM (RNrRd)

213 So I will take your considerations about the weather, similarly.
Posted by: Boulder Terlit Hobo at October 05, 2024 12:42 PM (sycsh)

Still wearing three masks?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 05, 2024 12:48 PM (0rBPF)

Which he wears under his 100% coverage positive pressure hazmat suit while driving in his car.

Posted by: Bubble boy is real at October 05, 2024 01:13 PM (8vw5b)

214 The YouTube perhaps algorithm didn't work for me, so switched to Spanish guitar.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at October 05, 2024 01:14 PM (PcTds)

215 We've had several disease outbreaks that tracked exactly where the illegals were.

Now of course they are everywhere so you can't directly track them and their impacts the same ways
Posted by: 18-1 at October 05, 2024 01:08 PM (oZhjI)
Could this disaster been any more thorough if on purpose? I don’t think so. So, probably planned. Almost like some kind of flu or something.

Posted by: Eromero at October 05, 2024 01:14 PM (o2ZRX)

216 #9 Missouri is ... struggling against TAM.

24-0 pending the EP.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 05, 2024 01:08 PM (IMKWe)

You don't have to be a football nut to know that #9 was a sham.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2024 01:14 PM (RNrRd)

217 was just told by a cow worker Karen that the increase of whooping cough and diptheria were NOT caused by the border invaders, but by Americans refusing to vaccinate their children. I left the office before she blamed it on President Trump
Posted by: Eromero at October 05, 2024 01:05 PM (o2ZRX)

Can't fix stupid.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at October 05, 2024 01:16 PM (h7Tgu)

218 be thinking about now?

That it's about time for a beer!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at October 05, 2024 01:16 PM (sZ+hC)

219 208 increase of whooping cough and diptheria were NOT caused by the border invaders, but by Americans refusing to vaccinate their children

We've had several disease outbreaks that tracked exactly where the illegals were.

Now of course they are everywhere so you can't directly track them and their impacts the same ways
Posted by: 18-1
------------------------

Pertussis vaccines work. It's a two-fer for the genociders; bring in the sick, infect the unvaccinated.

Posted by: Braenyard at October 05, 2024 01:16 PM (+JNKR)

220 SpaceX engineers are trying to deliver Starlink terminals & supplies to devastated areas in North Carolina right now and @FEMA is both failing to help AND won’t let others help. This is unconscionable!!

It's same thing as local sheriffs and county health officials shutting down private citizens providing sandwiches and coffee or shuttling supplies to disaster victims, just on a bigger scale. They can't allow anything to happen outside their control, can't be upstaged by unwashed peons, and can't have any credit deflected from them. Their egos and authoritarian beliefs won't allow it.

Posted by: Everything inside the state, etc at October 05, 2024 01:17 PM (8vw5b)

221 BTH, I enjoyed your comments before the covid response. Would love to see you commenting on history and other topics.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at October 05, 2024 01:17 PM (PcTds)

222 >>> 190 "Last time I looked the richest, smartest man in the world had received no response."

It's hard to find the response for some reason (hmmm...) but here is something. Read the whole thing especially Elon's response.

https://tinyurl.com/3wm8kr84

Posted by: pawn at October 05, 2024 12:55 PM (QB+5g)

Same article you posted last night from the Hill, yes? (I *did* go check it out.) It opens with "Pete says Elon is wrong!" which to me anyway, sounds a lot like "the Mayor of Springfield says no one is eating the cats!".

Then it says Elon mentions they had a private conversation and thanks Pete and.... well, not much else. Did the situation get resolved? Did the pilot make deliveries? Who knows! Maybe it was a *good* conversation between Pete and Elon but I didn't see anything to tell one way or another. They do make a point of telling us the Musk supports OrangeManBad, and giving a lot of puffery to Buttplug.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 01:18 PM (FnneF)

223
I don't give a rip about conspiracy theories and "stenches" and "people in trees."

The FACT is: there are thousands of people reported "missing."

Where Are They??

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 05, 2024 01:18 PM (bT6eg)

224 Hi KT! You are amazing. In terms of Mayor Pete negotiating this, you have to know I am laughing based on my history with him. While I do believe strongly he made and moves to get this over (I recognize some of his thought processes), the real reason is they were all about to be shown up by DeSantis. I guess they have a TA that they are voting on Jan 15? I need to look at it. You don’t typically go back to the table once you have a TA unless it’s voted down.

If they don’t take this opportunity to actually solidify a contingency plan, I am not even sure what to say.

Posted by: Piper at October 05, 2024 01:21 PM (pZEOD)

225 >>> 223
I don't give a rip about conspiracy theories and "stenches" and "people in trees."

The FACT is: there are thousands of people reported "missing."

Where Are They??
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 05, 2024 01:18 PM (bT6eg)

Duh, they're on vacation in Maui.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 01:21 PM (FnneF)

226 Not saying it's not true, but bodies everywhere is the usual rumor going around after hurricanes.

Funny, after Katrina, my wife applied to FEMA online. Shortly, they put $2K into our bank account. Never any inspections.

Posted by: Dino58 at October 05, 2024 01:22 PM (RwcH4)

227 The FACT is: there are thousands of people reported "missing."

Where Are They??
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 05, 2024 01:18 PM (bT6eg)

Touring Biltmore.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at October 05, 2024 01:23 PM (h7Tgu)

228
So if you watch these hurricane videos on youtube, they are spammed with the same bullshit comments: "Trump joked about global warming making more ocean-front property." "Stop politicizing this tragedy!" "Trump needs to stop spreading lies and misinformation!" "The Right loves conspiracy theories!"

This is how they fuck with people with gaslighting and spam.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 05, 2024 01:23 PM (bT6eg)

229
Then it says Elon mentions they had a private conversation and thanks Pete and.... well, not much else. Did the situation get resolved? Did the pilot make deliveries? Who knows! Maybe it was a *good* conversation between Pete and Elon but I didn't see anything to tell one way or another. They do make a point of telling us the Musk supports OrangeManBad, and giving a lot of puffery to Buttplug.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at

Will you take this moment to be with me in my time of missing my opportunity to go from nobody to somebody for the shortest of durations? I missed the opportunity to speak to Elon Musk!!! I could have given him the phone number he needed! AND I MISSED IT! Arrrggghhhhhhh!

Posted by: Piper at October 05, 2024 01:23 PM (pZEOD)

230 Did someone take my name in vain? Although I totally agree about having "scribes" running amok...

Posted by: tankascribe at October 05, 2024 01:24 PM (Q30e7)

231
They were eating each other in Astrodome, yes?

No, wait, it was the New Orleans Saints Louisian Superdome?

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 05, 2024 01:25 PM (bT6eg)

232 Yarvis misses that the reason Louis' kingdom did as well as it did was because of his lack of reach and power over the economy. The one thing the French Kings were in control of was the money, the taxes, and what loyalty it could buy from the army and the peerage, everything else was run in spite of that by the people who lived in the economy.

When John Law instigated his Land Based currency because the King needed more money, the King destroyed the one thing he had power over, and almost brought the kingdom down. That shock led to the financial crisis in the 1790's which did bring the royal family down.
Posted by: Kindltot

John Law was part of the story. That alone could be recovered from as the Netherlands bounced back from the tulip bulb craze. But, the kingdom of France was engaged in constant foreign wars across the globe and in Europe for centuries fighting the Hapsburgs often and then a rising England.

Financing the French and Indian War and the subsequent American Revolution, which both became world wars, destroyed what was left of the public fisc.

Did not help with the stupid internal war against Huguenots which drove out merchants and industry.

Posted by: whig at October 05, 2024 01:25 PM (bt/Nj)

233 Fuck the scribes. And the Pharisees.

Posted by: Jesus, updated for modern times at October 05, 2024 01:26 PM (8vw5b)

234 @229 "If you knoww what I mean *wink* *wink*"

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at October 05, 2024 01:26 PM (3bS+W)

235 Israel National NewsDefense/SecurityReport: Nasrallah's successor eliminated

Report: Nasrallah's successor eliminated
Israeli security source tells Sky News Arabic that Hezbollah's new leader, Hashem Safieddine, was eliminated.

Posted by: Jill Stein at October 05, 2024 01:27 PM (GITLP)

236 I am astounded by the incredible lack or coordination in this Administration. Blinken (an idiot to be sure) should never have announced the $$$ for Lebanon. Given the continued deaf ear to domestic issues by our government, a decent author could write a scenario where this tragedy lights the fuse for the Second Secession. And if I were a decent graphics designer, it would be fun to design the new flag of the Second Confederacy.
I wonder what it would look like?

Posted by: Diogenes at October 05, 2024 01:27 PM (W/lyH)

237 @235 And Wadiya mourns.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at October 05, 2024 01:28 PM (3bS+W)

238 The FACT is: there are thousands of people reported "missing."

Where Are They??
Posted by: Soothsayer

Oh, somewhere up there. *waves at mountains*. They don't answer their phones.

Posted by: FEMA at October 05, 2024 01:29 PM (0ljUU)

239
I've even seen comments on Youtube about how Trump "stole" billions from FEMA to "build the wall."

And, of course, Trump and the Republicans are being blamed for the storm because they don't "believe in" "climate change."

And then a smattering of "leave politics out of it!" from the same NPC's who are blaming Trump.

Same bullshit Crybully tactics, different day, different event.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 05, 2024 01:30 PM (bT6eg)

240 And if I were a decent graphics designer, it would be fun to design the new flag of the Second Confederacy.
I wonder what it would look like?
Posted by: Diogenes at October 05, 2024 01:27 PM (W/lyH)

It would need a Pepe the Frog, for sure.

Posted by: Just for lulz at October 05, 2024 01:30 PM (8vw5b)

241 GARDEN THREAD IS BLOOMING

Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2024 01:30 PM (fwDg9)

242 >>> 231
They were eating each other in Astrodome, yes?

No, wait, it was the New Orleans Saints Louisian Superdome?
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 05, 2024 01:25 PM (bT6eg)

Shep! wished someone would 'eat' him...

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 01:30 PM (FnneF)

243 >>> 229
==
Will you take this moment to be with me in my time of missing my opportunity to go from nobody to somebody for the shortest of durations? I missed the opportunity to speak to Elon Musk!!! I could have given him the phone number he needed! AND I MISSED IT! Arrrggghhhhhhh!
Posted by: Piper at October 05, 2024 01:23 PM (pZEOD)

Shit, you could have invited him to the TX MoMee!!!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 01:32 PM (FnneF)

244 >>Re. the 'bodies in trees' what do people imagine this means? I rather doubt there are places where there are dozens of trees holding bodies like freaking Christmas ornaments.

Fluvial Dynamics make this more likely than less.

It's the reason you find gold in deposits along a streambed and not evenly distributed throughout the stream.

Flotsam / Debris will be deposited where the speeds drop and the load can't continue on due to a lack of force.

And yeah...this will happen with bodies.

Posted by: garrett at October 05, 2024 01:33 PM (82BzC)

245 "Then it says Elon mentions they had a private conversation and thanks Pete and.... well, not much else. Did the situation get resolved? Did the pilot make deliveries? Who knows! Maybe it was a *good* conversation between Pete and Elon but I didn't see anything to tell one way or another."

Strip out all the puffery and focus on the very small fact that Elon's response was "vague'. Based on the fact that Elon was breathing fire before I think you can figure that he found out his outrage was not justified.

Have we heard anything new from Elon about this? Yes? No?

Posted by: pawn at October 05, 2024 01:33 PM (QB+5g)

246 Thanks everyone, you are informative and entertaining, as always.

Peace

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at October 05, 2024 01:34 PM (PcTds)

247 155 Even the Bourbon nobility, cloistered in their opulent estates, didn't harbor the kind of disdain for the commoners that our ruling class does. Disdain doesn't even begin to describe it - it's just naked hatred.

Those nobles were all too willing to kill the peasants in any number of ways, if it served their interests.

But the American ruling class actually does blindly despise its subjects. A course of action can run counter to their own interests, and they'll pursue it anyway, as long as it harms us.

It might be the first ruling class in history that seeks to eventually snuff itself out by destroying every person beneath it.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice
=======
The Deep State in Louis's era was just as spiteful and hated the folks. Aside from Louis XIV coming of age during the Fronde uprising and trying to make damn sure that did not repeat in his realm, most of the French kings were dilettantes that had little to do with day to day governance. That is what ministers were for. For example, Louis XIII had his Cardinal Richeliu to do a lot of the dirty work repressing peasants and his successor Cardinal Mazarin helped worsen the Fronde revolt by his actions in office.

Posted by: whig at October 05, 2024 01:36 PM (bt/Nj)

248 Will you take this moment to be with me in my time of missing my opportunity to go from nobody to somebody for the shortest of durations? I missed the opportunity to speak to Elon Musk!!! I could have given him the phone number he needed! AND I MISSED IT! Arrrggghhhhhhh!
Posted by: Piper at October 05, 2024 01:23 PM (pZEOD)

Shit, you could have invited him to the TX MoMee!!!
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October

It keeps getting worse and worse! I am going to cry now. Hahaha.

Posted by: Piper at October 05, 2024 01:36 PM (pZEOD)

249
In addition to no bodies in trees, some fuckingassholes are also the reports of looting are a conspiracy theory, too.

Um, nope.
There is looting. The extent of the looting? Whothefuckknows.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 05, 2024 01:37 PM (qODTB)

250 Wait. My hash is back….

Posted by: Piper at October 05, 2024 01:37 PM (pZEOD)

251
and the Red Cross can go horsefuck, too

I hope people aren't donating to those corrupt bureaucratic useless corporate rat bastards.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 05, 2024 01:39 PM (qODTB)

252 236 I am astounded by the incredible lack or coordination in this Administration. Blinken (an idiot to be sure) should never have announced the $$$ for Lebanon. Given the continued deaf ear to domestic issues by our government, a decent author could write a scenario where this tragedy lights the fuse for the Second Secession. And if I were a decent graphics designer, it would be fun to design the new flag of the Second Confederacy.
I wonder what it would look like?
Posted by: Diogenes
==========
It is the end result of a run amuck bureaucracy similar to the end of the Soviet Union.

When you have a politicized bureaucracy as we do, it becomes incompetent because the best 'optics' political way thinking is not the same as making a good policy decision.

Political bureaucrats are all the same--they actively hinder those responsible for trying and getting the job done. So, you get a political minder that halts shipments until the big cheeses arrive to take credit via photo ops. You get the diversity coordinator that does not want to let contracts to companies that white males run, and so on.

Posted by: whig at October 05, 2024 01:42 PM (bt/Nj)

253 The Black Book of Communism. A must read

Posted by: Steve at October 05, 2024 01:43 PM (NVSSB)

254 Red Cross was fucking INVISIBLE in Baton Rouge after H. Katrina in '04 ... unless, of course, you were shopping at Bon Marche Mall - then it was a sea of White Polo Shirts with the RC logo. Bastards. They haven't improved one fucking bit since, either.

Posted by: Dr_No at October 05, 2024 01:43 PM (ayRl+)

255 When was the last time that the Democrats cut taxes for the middle and working classes?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 05, 2024 01:44 PM (IMKWe)

256 Financing the French and Indian War and the subsequent American Revolution, which both became world wars, destroyed what was left of the public fisc.

Did not help with the stupid internal war against Huguenots which drove out merchants and industry.
Posted by: whig at October 05, 2024 01:25 PM (bt/Nj)

You can afford a lot of vanity projects like wars and pogroms if you have a rich economy to fund it, and anything that gets you more funding lets you do more extreme things. Fiat finances that, as does cornering the market for goods from the East, and making so much money the market signals are swamped by easy money. Then of course because there is not maintenance of capital investment, the whole enterprise bogs down.
Sorry, Whig, my hobbyhorse.

I love watching "traditional craft" videos, and the English ones are about 1790 techniques, the French are about 1850, and the Spanish ones are between 1400-1600 depending. I don't know what that means, but I suspect it has to do when those economies became world powers and didn't have to rely on the countryside as a main economic driver of the economy, so competition wasn't a driver in technology at the craft level.

Posted by: Kindltot at October 05, 2024 01:47 PM (D7oie)

257 Link to pdf of Fiat Money Inflation in France.

https://bityl.co/SGNM

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 05, 2024 01:50 PM (IMKWe)

258 When was the last time that the Democrats cut taxes for the middle and working classes?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 05, 2024 01:44 PM (IMKWe)

Reminds me, I saw an article in the St. Louis Rag, old Jack Danforth is mad at Josh "Smoot" Hawley for somehow sabotaging a bill that would compensate those who were radiated by nukular testing.

It was a convoluted way they got to it being Hawley's fault, but what I kept wondering is... who is still needing money for being radiated for nukular testing?

Seems to me we don't really NEED programs like this to go on in perpetuity. But there was old Jack Danforth, ragging on an actual conservative, because the Republican Party of his day is dead and gone. Or it will be... as soon as his kind are.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2024 01:51 PM (2kMY6)

259 @ 242 >>> 231
They were eating each other in Astrodome, yes?

No, wait, it was the New Orleans Saints Louisian Superdome?
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 05, 2024 01:25 PM (bT6eg)
_____________________________

No, there was no 'human consumption' in the Superdome. Lots of stealing everything that wasn't nailed down, lots of shitting everywhere 'cos no flushability, lots of 'improper touching', lots of 'watch who's standing at the urinal next to yours', but no: no humans were consumed as foodstuffs. When the 'contractors' came thru the (un-)Employment Orifice in BR looking for warm bodies to clean up after the 'Dome was emptied out (and the 'residents' had taken everything not nailed down), the people hired for 'clean-up' at the Dome were offered just $10/hr - and NO protective gear was supplied. You wore what you were wearing when you hired on ... no, I didn't sign up.

Posted by: Dr_No at October 05, 2024 01:51 PM (ayRl+)

260 So what did Diddy do to piss off the power that be?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 05, 2024 01:54 PM (IMKWe)

261 Communism is rising again because communists were appointed by "Biden" and run the country.

Posted by: Enough Bull at October 05, 2024 01:54 PM (2NXcZ)

262 Why is communism rising again?

Because we did not thoroughly chastise and discourage the people who push it.

I'm thinking we should look at how it used to be done.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg

Posted by: setnaffa at October 05, 2024 01:54 PM (nOVGb)

263 So what did Diddy do to piss off the power that be?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 05, 2024 01:54 PM (IMKWe)

We may never know. I just assume someone more powerful than he wanted the black Hollowood pedo contract.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2024 01:55 PM (2kMY6)

264 As evil and idiotic as he is, he still exerts real power. He's actually ruling.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2024 11:24 AM (J4UmJ)

As are Mayorkas, Garland and Bootygig

Posted by: Enough Bull at October 05, 2024 01:56 PM (2NXcZ)

265 #WDDD

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 05, 2024 01:56 PM (IMKWe)

266 1st play from scrimmage in the second half and a 75 yard rushing TD puts TAM up 31-0 over Missouri.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 05, 2024 01:57 PM (IMKWe)

267 As evil and idiotic as he is, he still exerts real power. He's actually ruling.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2024 11:24 AM (J4UmJ)

As are Mayorkas, Garland and Bootygig
Posted by: Enough Bull at October 05, 2024 01:56 PM (2NXcZ)

Yup, doesn't matter that they serve masters, they're still moving things along in real time, real ways.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2024 01:58 PM (2kMY6)

268 1st play from scrimmage in the second half and a 75 yard rushing TD puts TAM up 31-0 over Missouri.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 05, 2024 01:57 PM (IMKWe)

It's always been thus. Mizzou gets uppity, and then some team from Texas or Oklahoma or Nebraska or Alabama or Georgia shows them they ain't shit.

Back to the middle of the pack with you, boys.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2024 01:59 PM (2kMY6)

269 Next possession will have Missouri going four down, and that either works, pace Georgia, or you go down 71-0

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 05, 2024 02:01 PM (IMKWe)

270 I have often said that; We live under the tyranny of overly educated under achievers determined to justify their existence.
They are obsessed by some manifest destiny to save ourselves from ourselves, for our own good and the good of all.

I'd hate to think I was right about that.

Posted by: Richkat at October 05, 2024 02:02 PM (tHLuK)

271 There's a relatively recent fancy-pants expression to describe this phenomenon: "elite overproduction." Peter Turchin came up with the idea, but clearly it was anticipated by Hoffer.

Posted by: Craig Pirrong at October 05, 2024 02:03 PM (zho1J)

272 everything not nailed down), the people hired for 'clean-up' at the Dome were offered just $10/hr - and NO protective gear was supplied. You wore what you were wearing when you hired on ... no, I didn't sign up.
Posted by: Dr_No at October 05, 2024 01:51 PM (ayRl+)

That's the problem with America / nobody wants to work! You're a thief! Get five jobs and a $200 car, idiot! Buy my book!

Posted by: Dave Ramsey, boomer meme incarnate at October 05, 2024 02:04 PM (8vw5b)

273 was just told by a cow worker Karen that the increase of whooping cough and diptheria were NOT caused by the border invaders, but by Americans refusing to vaccinate their children. I left the office before she blamed it on President Trump
Posted by: Eromero at October 05, 2024 01:05 PM (o2ZRX)

Can't fix stupid.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer

Maybe she is just ignorant. Does she know that immigrant vis applicants are required to get physicals and be healthy before being granted a visa? If she is aware of that but still claims it is because people are not vaccinating their children then she is STUPID.
And should be so advised.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at October 05, 2024 02:05 PM (/lPRQ)

274 >>> 245
==
Strip out all the puffery and focus on the very small fact that Elon's response was "vague'. Based on the fact that Elon was breathing fire before I think you can figure that he found out his outrage was not justified.

Have we heard anything new from Elon about this? Yes? No?
Posted by: pawn at October 05, 2024 01:33 PM (QB+5g)

Braenyard's 210 seems to suggest Elon is grumpy again but I don't see a link to confirm the timing.

It could be that Musk 'found out his outrage was not justified'; it could be that Mayor Pete made himself useful. I would have liked to see *his* side of the conversation, or at least a summary if both parties agreed to keep it private. Pete could have said something about getting a misunderstanding straightened out and/or we're so glad to have so many private volunteers blah blah blah. It's vague all around and that is not helpful.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at October 05, 2024 02:08 PM (FnneF)

275 I have often said that; We live under the tyranny of overly educated under achievers determined to justify their existence.
They are obsessed by some manifest destiny to save ourselves from ourselves, for our own good and the good of all.

I'd hate to think I was right about that.
Posted by: Richkat at October 05, 2024 02:02 PM (tHLuK)

I think that's overthinking it.

Many of these people are trained to be ruling class, and rule they shall. The extent to which they think about the masses, it's just a puzzle, like a Rubik's Cube, you turn the colors this way and that until they line up the way you want.

Then you blow it up, disassemble it, scramble it through chaos and do it over.

For fun and profit.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 05, 2024 02:08 PM (2kMY6)

276 Flotsam / Debris will be deposited where the speeds drop and the load can't continue on due to a lack of force.

And yeah...this will happen with bodies.
Posted by: garrett

Like gruesome natural levee.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at October 05, 2024 02:14 PM (/lPRQ)

277 On programming the Rally is shown om Newsmax at 4pm,
Probably later until DJT gets there

Posted by: Skip at October 05, 2024 02:18 PM (fwDg9)

278 They just took this video a few hours ago, where you can see the level of devastation: roads, houses, electricity, water supply and ground Internet connections completely destroyed.

@FEMA wouldn’t let them land to deliver critical supplies … my blood is boiling …
Posted by: Braenyard at October 05, 2024 01:12 PM (+JNKR)

Load the chopper with some armed mountain people. Problem solved.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at October 05, 2024 02:20 PM (iODuv)

279 ) Hot girls are waiting for you on --- www.Nu21.eu

Posted by: Vissa at October 05, 2024 02:22 PM (bAAMA)

280
Drew Pavlou 🇦🇺 🇨🇾 🇺🇸 🇺🇦 🇹🇼 @DrewPavlou

Judith Butler: ''Hamas and Hezbollah are social movements that are progressive, that are on the Left, that are part of a global Left.''

Posted by: Braenyard at October 05, 2024 02:25 PM (+JNKR)

281 @ 279 ) Hot girls are waiting for you on --- www.Nu21.eu
_______________________________

Really ... ? Well, how 'hot' ARE they ... ? Send a photo, 'kay ...

Posted by: Dr_No at October 05, 2024 02:35 PM (ayRl+)

282 Ace made the point about "touch" charges moving cargo from larger trans oceanic ships to intercoastal ships for forwarding instead of long truck hauls. Is the touch charge the reason or the federal law that all intercoastal shipping has to be on US flagged vessels and there aren't any because of costs?

Posted by: Skinnedknuckles at October 05, 2024 02:47 PM (120zK)

283 The President of the Longshoremans Union, a fellah by the name of Dagget, is a rabid Trump boi.
Just Google it

Posted by: Paul at October 05, 2024 03:58 PM (zARSz)

284
Thanks for the Hoffer quotes! I've got something to read this evening when we return from the Festival of Combustion in Homestead, PA.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at October 05, 2024 04:41 PM (9bO/i)

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