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Gun Thread: Adios September Edition!
FUNdamentals How are things coming with your focus on fundamentals? Does any of this sound familiar?
Guns of the Weasel So this doesn't happen every day, at least not to me. A couple of weeks ago I get an email from WW's uncle regarding a pistol he has had for years. It was a gift from his mother to his father for Christmas in 1967, and since he isn't a shooter, he wanted to give it to me. His father unfortunately passed shortly after receiving the gun and never had a really had the chance to shoot it very much. *SIGH* Oh well, I suppose I will accept the great burden and perform this humanitarian gesture for the good of the family and frankly all of mankind. Ha! Weasel made a funny joke! I wasted no time in setting up the transfer and a few days later this shows up.
Gun Thread Homework
Ok, hopefully you remembered to watch the video presented last week on a self-defense shooting and have come tonight prepared to discuss your thoughts on the incident For those who missed it, here is the video where the guy explains what happened to him.
Texas MoMe Madness!
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8am - 10am: Rifle Clinic (carport)
10am - 11am: Combined Range and Safety Briefing - Mandatory for Friday Arrivals! (carport)
1pm - SBR Presentation and Demonstration - EdL
11am - 4pm: Live fire (rifle range - targets to 1,000 yds) Handgun Program
10am - 11am: Combined Range and Safety Briefing - Mandatory for Friday Arrivals! (carport)
11:00am - 12:00pm: Reloading Demonstration - Oddbob
1pm - 2:30pm: Static live fire (pistol range)
1pm - 3pm: A clean gun is a happy gun (carport)
2:30 - 4pm: Briefing and Move & Shoot live fire (pistol range)
Rifle Program
9am - 10am: Combined Range and Safety Briefing - Mandatory for Saturday arrivals! (carport)
9am - 1pm: Live fire (rifle range) Handgun Program
9am - 10am: Range and Safety Briefing - Mandatory for Saturday arrivals! (carport)
10am - Noon: A clean gun is a happy gun (carport)
9am - 1pm: Live fire (pistol range) Again, these times are approximate and programs may change as weather conditions and participation warrant. You will note there are combined rifle and handgun range safety briefings both days and attendance at one is mandatory. We take your safety seriously and ask everyone who plans to shoot to please also plan on attending this important briefing. All shooters are asked to check in with an RSO (sporting an Orange Cap of Dorkiness for easy identification) upon your arrival at either of the ranges who will answer questions and direct you to an open firing position. The RSOs wield unspeakable power so it is in your best interest to be nice to them. If you are a novice shooter, or even have never been to the range before and think guns are icky, you are welcome to shoot! Just see an RSO and they will set you up with an experienced shooter to help you. If you miss the mandatory range safety briefing which is mandatory and must be attended, all is not lost. See an RSO to plead your case, be harangued and chastised, and then spend some punishment time on the Disciplinary Range of Shame. In the interests of time and to save yourself the humiliation, please make it to the scheduled range briefings. Thanks. Please plan on stopping somewhere along your way to Texas and picking up some ammunition if you plan to shoot and aren't bringing your own weapons. Everyone is very generous with sharing, but please don't rely on the generosity of others to provide everything for you. You can really help out by grabbing a box of 9mm or 5.56mm or whatever you want to shoot. Free Shit!
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Comments
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Yay! Gubs!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 29, 2024 07:00 PM (Wnv9h)
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Good evening everyone
Posted by: Skip at September 29, 2024 07:00 PM (fwDg9)
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BOOM!!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 29, 2024 07:01 PM (0XVad)
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Scoob!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 29, 2024 07:02 PM (Wnv9h)
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Yay!
Posted by: Rancherbob at September 29, 2024 07:02 PM (21WHr)
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Gee. The Browning Medalist shoots square bullets??
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 29, 2024 07:03 PM (CEzQx)
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*SIGH* Oh well, I suppose I will accept the great burden and perform this humanitarian gesture for the good of the family and frankly all of mankind.
Posted by: Weasel
You are *such* a giver!
We are not worthy!!!!
Posted by: Weasel
You are *such* a giver!
We are not worthy!!!!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 29, 2024 07:04 PM (N4G/m)
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Wow. Very nice Browning.
Bet you pop some tree rats in the eye with that.
Bet you pop some tree rats in the eye with that.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 29, 2024 07:04 PM (/lPRQ)
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It's a 5th Sunday Gun Thread!
IYKYK
IYKYK
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:05 PM (DDSgs)
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RMBS!! Has your friend been deterred from attending the MoMe? Has she read the comments made on this blog to know what she is getting into? :-p
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 29, 2024 07:05 PM (0XVad)
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Good evening horde. Thanks Weasel for assembling another edition of the GT.
Posted by: TRex at September 29, 2024 07:05 PM (IQ6Gq)
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VERY nice pistol, Weasel! It looks like a great shooter, even just nestled in its case.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 29, 2024 07:06 PM (3rnQf)
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RMBS!! Has your friend been deterred from attending the MoMe? Has she read the comments made on this blog to know what she is getting into? :-p
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 29, 2024 07:05 PM
Aw, hell no. She's looking forward to it. She only lurks, but she's one of us.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 29, 2024 07:05 PM
Aw, hell no. She's looking forward to it. She only lurks, but she's one of us.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 29, 2024 07:06 PM (Wnv9h)
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That's a mighty fine lookin' Browning, Weasel.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 29, 2024 07:07 PM (Wnv9h)
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Holy shitballs what a cool pistol. I hope we get a report.
Posted by: fd at September 29, 2024 07:08 PM (vFG9F)
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andycanuck if it's a Medalist assume it shoots bronze, silver and gold bullets
Posted by: Skip at September 29, 2024 07:08 PM (fwDg9)
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Hello, Weasel!
Posted by: Ed L at September 29, 2024 07:08 PM (yRXSd)
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Gee. The Browning Medalist shoots square bullets??
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Or is that for just against Moslems??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun
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Or is that for just against Moslems??
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puckle_gun
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 29, 2024 07:08 PM (CEzQx)
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Wow, I could tell that pistol was a Browning right away from the barrel. That is GORGEOUS! Presentation case and everything. Someone thinks very highly of you, Weasel.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:09 PM (DDSgs)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 29, 2024 07:10 PM (mH6SG)
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VERY nice pistol, Weasel! It looks like a great shooter, even just nestled in its case.
It is a beaut. What are the other objects in the case? The three cylindrical things look like weights but I don't see how they would attach.
It is a beaut. What are the other objects in the case? The three cylindrical things look like weights but I don't see how they would attach.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 07:10 PM (/y8xj)
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In volleys, prepare to fire. Fire!
Posted by: Eromero at September 29, 2024 07:10 PM (DXbAa)
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So, concerning our homework assignment: Instead of screaming out for the guy not to unholster his weapon, his ex-girlfriend (and I can understand why she's an EX-girlfriend) should have been dialing 911. Always be first to call the cops, before your adversary does.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 29, 2024 07:11 PM (3rnQf)
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I'd like to pretend I don't see that gorgeous 22 in the thread, but, it sort of jumps out and says, "See, this is how beautiful guns were, back in the day!"
That little firearm would be a safe queen/slash wall decoration at Che Blake because I'd be way too afraid to shoot it.
Thanks for sharing and thank you for the thread, Weasel.
That little firearm would be a safe queen/slash wall decoration at Che Blake because I'd be way too afraid to shoot it.
Thanks for sharing and thank you for the thread, Weasel.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 29, 2024 07:11 PM (tT6L1)
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Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 07:10 PM (/y8xj)
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Howdy Ob. They're weights and you have to take off the forend to attach them evidently.
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Howdy Ob. They're weights and you have to take off the forend to attach them evidently.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 07:12 PM (uGpeQ)
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@That SOB, yeah, that was my first thought. The FG screaming like that turned the situation from bad to worse.
All things said, I think the guy did about as well as he could.
I pondered exiting the vehicle so the GF wasn't in the line of fire, but, reluctantly concluded the time wasted would probably have made things worse. He saw the gun and didn't hesitate. He still spent time in jail, which was not unexpected. Nor did it surprise me he got a DA who wanted to press charges, even though it was an obvious case of self-denfense.
All things said, I think the guy did about as well as he could.
I pondered exiting the vehicle so the GF wasn't in the line of fire, but, reluctantly concluded the time wasted would probably have made things worse. He saw the gun and didn't hesitate. He still spent time in jail, which was not unexpected. Nor did it surprise me he got a DA who wanted to press charges, even though it was an obvious case of self-denfense.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 29, 2024 07:15 PM (tT6L1)
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FG? GF. Sheesh.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 29, 2024 07:15 PM (tT6L1)
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23 So, concerning our homework assignment: Instead of screaming out for the guy not to unholster his weapon, his ex-girlfriend (and I can understand why she's an EX-girlfriend) should have been dialing 911. Always be first to call the cops, before your adversary does.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 29, 2024 07:11 PM (3rnQf
First one to dial 911. It is known.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 29, 2024 07:11 PM (3rnQf
First one to dial 911. It is known.
Posted by: Eromero at September 29, 2024 07:16 PM (DXbAa)
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Homework: this fits nicely with our CC class this weekend.
The gun is the LAST resort. Only when your life is in danger.
That said, and I will admit I would be totally aggravated at the blue car drivers, at the point he cuts me off (and I have no recourse), I would have waved him on and mumbled about him under my breath.
Since he didn't do that, and in fact uttered a derogatory remark about the other vehicle which escalated the situation, once the other driver exits the car and acts like he might have a weapon, I have no issue with pulling the gun. Of course, you need to factor in your passenger, who may/may not inadvertenly aggrevate the situation.
It was emphasized in class that if you shoot, expect to be handcuffed, hauled into jail, etc.. Which obviously happened in this case Glad the case was eventually dismissed
The gun is the LAST resort. Only when your life is in danger.
That said, and I will admit I would be totally aggravated at the blue car drivers, at the point he cuts me off (and I have no recourse), I would have waved him on and mumbled about him under my breath.
Since he didn't do that, and in fact uttered a derogatory remark about the other vehicle which escalated the situation, once the other driver exits the car and acts like he might have a weapon, I have no issue with pulling the gun. Of course, you need to factor in your passenger, who may/may not inadvertenly aggrevate the situation.
It was emphasized in class that if you shoot, expect to be handcuffed, hauled into jail, etc.. Which obviously happened in this case Glad the case was eventually dismissed
Posted by: Grateful at September 29, 2024 07:16 PM (IQ6Gq)
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OK, so I got my Lee 50th Anniversary reloading kit a couple of weeks ago. Then we had an overridden Gun Thread. Then, last week, I was doing the Music Thread instead of the Gun Thread (Herbie Hancock show).
For ~$180 (incl. shipping) I got what appears to be a nice basic setup. I opened the box and looked through it without any intention of setting it up soon, and everything looks solid.
It came with a magazine-style booklet called "Hodgdon Data Manual." It has rifle, pistol, and shotgun information in it. Oodles of info by caliber and barrel length, then listed as a table of powder, grain, velocity, and pressure. I had a few questions....
For ~$180 (incl. shipping) I got what appears to be a nice basic setup. I opened the box and looked through it without any intention of setting it up soon, and everything looks solid.
It came with a magazine-style booklet called "Hodgdon Data Manual." It has rifle, pistol, and shotgun information in it. Oodles of info by caliber and barrel length, then listed as a table of powder, grain, velocity, and pressure. I had a few questions....
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:19 PM (DDSgs)
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I had a few questions....
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:19 PM (DDSgs)
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Ax away, or send me an email and we can discuss if you like.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:19 PM (DDSgs)
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Ax away, or send me an email and we can discuss if you like.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 07:22 PM (uGpeQ)
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Today's range report. The RMBS Mom is progressing nicely, and will be ready for Corsicana. For myself, I just confirmed a modified BSZ on my AR-15A2, so I'm pleased. That is all.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 29, 2024 07:24 PM (Wnv9h)
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It came with a magazine-style booklet called "Hodgdon Data Manual." It has rifle, pistol, and shotgun information in it. Oodles of info by caliber and barrel length, then listed as a table of powder, grain, velocity, and pressure. I had a few questions....
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:19 PM (DDSgs)
Same here. Lots of questions. I've been fiddling with figuring out how to set and read the powder scales and powder measure that came in the kit, and calipers that I bought separately. Having nearly 29-year-old eyes sucks. I'll probably order powder, primers, and bullets next week.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:19 PM (DDSgs)
Same here. Lots of questions. I've been fiddling with figuring out how to set and read the powder scales and powder measure that came in the kit, and calipers that I bought separately. Having nearly 29-year-old eyes sucks. I'll probably order powder, primers, and bullets next week.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 29, 2024 07:24 PM (3rnQf)
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I need 1000 PSI 44.40 ammo.
Posted by: Some Rat at September 29, 2024 07:24 PM (vJiyU)
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Ha! Weasel made a funny joke!
Yep! Well done!
Your sense of humor *has* grown significantly since you received your Honorary Texan award, but that was expected, given that everything is bigger in Texas.
Yep! Well done!
Your sense of humor *has* grown significantly since you received your Honorary Texan award, but that was expected, given that everything is bigger in Texas.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 29, 2024 07:25 PM (a3Q+t)
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Having nearly 29-year-old eyes sucks.
I keep a pair of those jeweler's visors on the work bench and sometimes have to use them over my regular reading glasses.
I keep a pair of those jeweler's visors on the work bench and sometimes have to use them over my regular reading glasses.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 07:26 PM (/y8xj)
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It (the Hodgdon manual) also appears each section (within caliber and barrel length) shows a case and a bullet type. I understand the bullet type, as the bullet weight and shape would affect the velocity of any powder load.
But it also shows 'COL:1.130" ' and 'PR:CCI 500, SP' and I'm not sure what those are. Anyone?
And, I'm now confused on commercial cartridges. When the grain is listed on commercial cartridges, is that the bullet or powder weight? I'm fairly certain it's the bullet, but more information just fell into my brain and it needs sorting.
And, yes, I'm already looking at dies for the rounds I might most need (due to price, etc.) to reload. What have I gotten myself into...?
But it also shows 'COL:1.130" ' and 'PR:CCI 500, SP' and I'm not sure what those are. Anyone?
And, I'm now confused on commercial cartridges. When the grain is listed on commercial cartridges, is that the bullet or powder weight? I'm fairly certain it's the bullet, but more information just fell into my brain and it needs sorting.
And, yes, I'm already looking at dies for the rounds I might most need (due to price, etc.) to reload. What have I gotten myself into...?
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:26 PM (DDSgs)
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 07:26 PM (uGpeQ)
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So, anyone remember Weaselsan's sage advice about wobbly shit? Because I have a range report which has just that.
I noticed the forend on the Savage had come loose, wobbly, even. I went, "hmm" tightened everything up and went on about my business.
Yesterday, I hit the range for our monthly silhouette match and was on course to shoot probably a 16 our of 20 under some rough conditions, which would have been a decent score. During the switch from 200 meter to 300 meter, I went to adjust the scope and, yep, it wobbled! Say what? Yeah, the picatinny mounting rail had come loose. Yours truly hadn't been smart enough to think "hmm, loose forend, maybe look for other wobbly shit?"
I got home after the match, took everything apart, put some Locktite on the screws for the mounting rail and headed back to the range to zero. I started @25 yards, because I had no idea if I was even on paper. Dead center. Hmmm. Moved the target to 200 ayrds, yep, shooting left. Got things adjusted to my satisfaction and called it a day.
I noticed the forend on the Savage had come loose, wobbly, even. I went, "hmm" tightened everything up and went on about my business.
Yesterday, I hit the range for our monthly silhouette match and was on course to shoot probably a 16 our of 20 under some rough conditions, which would have been a decent score. During the switch from 200 meter to 300 meter, I went to adjust the scope and, yep, it wobbled! Say what? Yeah, the picatinny mounting rail had come loose. Yours truly hadn't been smart enough to think "hmm, loose forend, maybe look for other wobbly shit?"
I got home after the match, took everything apart, put some Locktite on the screws for the mounting rail and headed back to the range to zero. I started @25 yards, because I had no idea if I was even on paper. Dead center. Hmmm. Moved the target to 200 ayrds, yep, shooting left. Got things adjusted to my satisfaction and called it a day.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 29, 2024 07:27 PM (tT6L1)
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I just figured out the "PR" information - that's the primer.
Which tells me one answer to another question I had: How do I know which primers to order? There we go.
Which tells me one answer to another question I had: How do I know which primers to order? There we go.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:27 PM (DDSgs)
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I need 1000 PSI 44.40 ammo.
I don't know of any way to measure pressure directly without special equipment. Ask around for where the cowboy action shooters get theirs. They're typically running low-end pressures because some to them like to shoot actual antique guns.
I don't know of any way to measure pressure directly without special equipment. Ask around for where the cowboy action shooters get theirs. They're typically running low-end pressures because some to them like to shoot actual antique guns.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 07:29 PM (/y8xj)
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Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 29, 2024 07:27 PM (tT6L1)
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Wobbly Shit is No Bueno (WSNB)
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Wobbly Shit is No Bueno (WSNB)
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 07:29 PM (uGpeQ)
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COL: Cartridge Overall Length
PR:CCI 500, SP Primer: CCI 500, Small Pistol (500 is CCI's model number for small pistol primers
PR:CCI 500, SP Primer: CCI 500, Small Pistol (500 is CCI's model number for small pistol primers
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 29, 2024 07:30 PM (3rnQf)
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I be prouds to announce thats the people of Brattleboro will sending 1,000 Gay pride shirts to Norht Carolena to those afflected by the Floods caused by Global warming from Trump policies...
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro,Vt at September 29, 2024 07:30 PM (rcLES)
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Homework - three observations:
1) Obviously the best course is to avoid the situation in the first place. The initial verbal exchange did not help. Traffic situations are volatile and unpredictable. This wouldn't have been an incident if traffic worked out in many other different ways.
2) The framework of "capability, opportunity and intent" applies in a deadly force situation. So little time to make that assessment. Complicated here by a passenger and two threats in the other car. The presence of a passenger made me think about whether decision-making is unconsciously influenced by an instinct to protect others as opposed to yourself. Would your assessment of the threat be different?
3) The media headline said it was road rage and the initial law enforcement reaction was racial. Reminder you have no control over the narrative that gets created. Also a general reminder to read headlines with skepticism for the same reason.
1) Obviously the best course is to avoid the situation in the first place. The initial verbal exchange did not help. Traffic situations are volatile and unpredictable. This wouldn't have been an incident if traffic worked out in many other different ways.
2) The framework of "capability, opportunity and intent" applies in a deadly force situation. So little time to make that assessment. Complicated here by a passenger and two threats in the other car. The presence of a passenger made me think about whether decision-making is unconsciously influenced by an instinct to protect others as opposed to yourself. Would your assessment of the threat be different?
3) The media headline said it was road rage and the initial law enforcement reaction was racial. Reminder you have no control over the narrative that gets created. Also a general reminder to read headlines with skepticism for the same reason.
Posted by: TRex at September 29, 2024 07:30 PM (IQ6Gq)
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No range time this weekend. I went to the Chantilly gun show on Friday and Saturday. There was a larger than normal crowd on Friday, and the venue was pretty packed Saturday afternoon. Cheaper guns were selling, but the more expensive guns (> $1k) mostly weren't. I think people were doing a lot of comparison shopping before making a decision to buy. Ammo was abundant and mostly decently priced. I didn't see any panic buying.
Posted by: Ed L at September 29, 2024 07:32 PM (yRXSd)
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Thank you Grateful and TRex! Very thoughtful responses!
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 07:32 PM (uGpeQ)
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But it also shows 'COL:1.130" ' and 'PR:CCI 500, SP' and I'm not sure what those are. Anyone?
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:26 PM
COL = Cartridge Overall Length (in this case, 1.130 inches)
PR = Primer used, in this case a CCI 500, which is a primer, that among other things, is 'soft', meaning it is useful for weapons that have relatively light primer strikes.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:26 PM
COL = Cartridge Overall Length (in this case, 1.130 inches)
PR = Primer used, in this case a CCI 500, which is a primer, that among other things, is 'soft', meaning it is useful for weapons that have relatively light primer strikes.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 29, 2024 07:33 PM (a3Q+t)
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Ammo was abundant and mostly decently priced. I didn't see any panic buying.
Posted by: Ed L at September 29, 2024 07:32 PM (yRXSd)
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Buy ammo.
Posted by: Ed L at September 29, 2024 07:32 PM (yRXSd)
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Buy ammo.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 07:34 PM (uGpeQ)
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OK, a more generic question for reloading:
How many rounds (a round number WAG is fine) do you get out of a pound of powder? Pistol, rifle?
Because I looked at 1lb jugs of powder... and I wondered "How the H*** is this cheaper than buying commercial?!" I said other dirty words, too - similar to the ones I frequently say now in the grocery store.
Somewhere online said ~40 to 60, which put the powder at more than a dollar a round, and that seemed astounding.
I was looking at the single pounds for when I start, checking to see if it's what I want to work with, what the value might end up being, etc. Rather than invest in a 10lb jug of something and finding out a 1/2lb in that it's not really what I want.
How many rounds (a round number WAG is fine) do you get out of a pound of powder? Pistol, rifle?
Because I looked at 1lb jugs of powder... and I wondered "How the H*** is this cheaper than buying commercial?!" I said other dirty words, too - similar to the ones I frequently say now in the grocery store.
Somewhere online said ~40 to 60, which put the powder at more than a dollar a round, and that seemed astounding.
I was looking at the single pounds for when I start, checking to see if it's what I want to work with, what the value might end up being, etc. Rather than invest in a 10lb jug of something and finding out a 1/2lb in that it's not really what I want.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:34 PM (DDSgs)
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Beautiful looking pistol Weasel. So nice I can see it put in its own glass display case after you take it out for a spin.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 29, 2024 07:34 PM (0XVad)
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As re the guy who shot the roadrage thugs: good shootin'
Posted by: Mr Gaga at September 29, 2024 07:34 PM (ifk5e)
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How do I know which primers to order?
Rifle and pistol use different ones. For each, there are two diameters: large and small. Compare a 9mm case and a .45 case* and it should be visually apparent. Then there are also magnum versions for large capacity cases. Your load data might have a notation like SP or LRM for Small Pistol or Large Rifle Magnum. LP, SR, etc mean what you think they do.
Rifle and pistol use different ones. For each, there are two diameters: large and small. Compare a 9mm case and a .45 case* and it should be visually apparent. Then there are also magnum versions for large capacity cases. Your load data might have a notation like SP or LRM for Small Pistol or Large Rifle Magnum. LP, SR, etc mean what you think they do.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 07:35 PM (/y8xj)
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Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 29, 2024 07:34 PM (0XVad)
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That's probably what will happen - it'll just see very occasional use.
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That's probably what will happen - it'll just see very occasional use.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 07:36 PM (uGpeQ)
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"See, this is how beautiful guns were, back in the day!"
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 29, 2024 07:11 PM (tT6L1)
Amen to that.
But I would definitely shoot it. Reverently.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 29, 2024 07:11 PM (tT6L1)
Amen to that.
But I would definitely shoot it. Reverently.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:36 PM (DDSgs)
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And while I didn't have range time apart from the CC class, I am still on my mission to stock up on ammo. Despite all the dire warnings from the summer, was able to obtain 9mm at the same price point from a store in IN that does not report our credit card purchases.
Posted by: Grateful at September 29, 2024 07:37 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Re: Homework -
The guy mentioned auditory exclusion, which I have experienced under stress myself. But I always wonder: since he fired from inside his vehicle, how much permanent hearing loss did he experience? Auditory exclusion or not, it had to have been LOUD.
The guy mentioned auditory exclusion, which I have experienced under stress myself. But I always wonder: since he fired from inside his vehicle, how much permanent hearing loss did he experience? Auditory exclusion or not, it had to have been LOUD.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 29, 2024 07:37 PM (3rnQf)
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No range report. I did take down my new 1911 and give it a light cleaning (less than 100 rounds through it). Damn, that is a tricky bastard to take apart and put together again.
I can take my P226 quickly and probably blindfolded, not the 1911.
I can take my P226 quickly and probably blindfolded, not the 1911.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 29, 2024 07:37 PM (0XVad)
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IDPA-esque move-and-shoot pistol course designed and run by Nurse R & WBG (WeaselBuddyGeoff).
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Be careful! You lose points if you shoot any of the sea otter profiles, mistaking them for the river otter targets.
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Be careful! You lose points if you shoot any of the sea otter profiles, mistaking them for the river otter targets.
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 29, 2024 07:38 PM (CEzQx)
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By the way, my range zero trip, I managed to hit the sweet spot when the wind was changing direction. Winds died down just as I arrived, which meant the mirage was boiling straight up. Amazing to see a target partially obscured by mirage.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 29, 2024 07:39 PM (tT6L1)
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I don't know of any way to measure pressure directly without special equipment. Ask around for where the cowboy action shooters get theirs. They're typically running low-end pressures because some to them like to shoot actual antique guns.
Posted by: Oddbob
Heh, I thought maybe there were some cowboy action shooters here. I just got great grandpas 1873 Winchester back from the gunsmith. His recommendation was: nothing jacketed, 1000 psi max. I was hoping there was a direct link between load and bullet weight. He did recommend I reach out to Buffalo Ammo.
Which will be the next step.
Posted by: Oddbob
Heh, I thought maybe there were some cowboy action shooters here. I just got great grandpas 1873 Winchester back from the gunsmith. His recommendation was: nothing jacketed, 1000 psi max. I was hoping there was a direct link between load and bullet weight. He did recommend I reach out to Buffalo Ammo.
Which will be the next step.
Posted by: Some Rat at September 29, 2024 07:40 PM (vJiyU)
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Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 29, 2024 07:30 PM (3rnQf)
Ahahhh!
(You have to say that in Billy Crystal's voice as Miracle Max when he's explaining "mostly dead.")
Ahahhh!
(You have to say that in Billy Crystal's voice as Miracle Max when he's explaining "mostly dead.")
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:40 PM (DDSgs)
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How many rounds (a round number WAG is fine) do you get out of a pound of powder? Pistol, rifle?
One pound = 7000 grains. Supposedly derived from the approximate weight of a grain of wheat. So divide 7000 by your charge weight.
One pound = 7000 grains. Supposedly derived from the approximate weight of a grain of wheat. So divide 7000 by your charge weight.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 07:40 PM (/y8xj)
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Buy ammo.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 07:34 PM (uGpeQ)
I took delivery of 2 cases of ammo from Lucky Gunner (1 case of 9mm range ammo, 1 case of 9mm Hydra-Shoks) and 1 more case of 9mm range ammo from SG Ammo last week. My ammo budget is depleted for now.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 07:34 PM (uGpeQ)
I took delivery of 2 cases of ammo from Lucky Gunner (1 case of 9mm range ammo, 1 case of 9mm Hydra-Shoks) and 1 more case of 9mm range ammo from SG Ammo last week. My ammo budget is depleted for now.
Posted by: Ed L at September 29, 2024 07:41 PM (yRXSd)
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Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 29, 2024 07:39 PM (tT6L1)
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Take every opportunity you can get to observe mirage and estimate wind velocity. Better yet, go and shoot in the conditions!
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Take every opportunity you can get to observe mirage and estimate wind velocity. Better yet, go and shoot in the conditions!
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 07:41 PM (uGpeQ)
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The guy mentioned auditory exclusion, which I have experienced under stress myself. But I always wonder: since he fired from inside his vehicle, how much permanent hearing loss did he experience? Auditory exclusion or not, it had to have been LOUD.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 29, 2024 07:37 PM (3rnQf)
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Surprisingly, gun shots inside a car tend to get muffled a bit, I think, due to all of the soft surfaces inside a car. (I've shot IDPA stages from inside a car and was surprised how quiet it was, relatively speaking)
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 29, 2024 07:37 PM (3rnQf)
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Surprisingly, gun shots inside a car tend to get muffled a bit, I think, due to all of the soft surfaces inside a car. (I've shot IDPA stages from inside a car and was surprised how quiet it was, relatively speaking)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 29, 2024 07:41 PM (tT6L1)
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:42 PM (DDSgs)
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Hate to admit, but I am clueless on the rounds out of a pound of powder....If not this year, can this be a class in a future TX MoMe?
Posted by: Grateful at September 29, 2024 07:42 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Hah. I just reread my own comment and saw that I meant to footnote .45 ACP but forgot to. Most .45 ACP cases use large pistol primers but there are some brands that use small pistol. If you happened to have one of those, my suggested comparison would just leave you even more confused.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 07:42 PM (/y8xj)
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So nice I can see it put in its own glass display case after you take it out for a spin.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 29, 2024 07:34 PM (0XVad)
It really should be displayed next to the sword. It would make a really nice counter to it.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 29, 2024 07:34 PM (0XVad)
It really should be displayed next to the sword. It would make a really nice counter to it.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:43 PM (DDSgs)
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Don't want to derail the thread but there is a mule packing company that is sending out a mule teams with supplies into some of the areas isolated by the hurricane. Just seems like an awesome thing.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 29, 2024 07:43 PM (MpVUb)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 29, 2024 07:45 PM (tT6L1)
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Evenin'
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at September 29, 2024 07:45 PM (/Djer)
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I can take my P226 quickly and probably blindfolded, not the 1911.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 29, 2024 07:37 PM (0XVad)
Ah, but you will be able to, Scubahopper. Only then will you be able to take the pebble from Weasel's palm.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 29, 2024 07:37 PM (0XVad)
Ah, but you will be able to, Scubahopper. Only then will you be able to take the pebble from Weasel's palm.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:45 PM (DDSgs)
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Kris Kristofferson, country music pioneer who thrilled audiences in ‘Convoy’ and ‘A Star Is Born,’ dead at 88
Posted by: SMOD at September 29, 2024 07:45 PM (GITLP)
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Surprisingly, gun shots inside a car tend to get muffled a bit, I think, due to all of the soft surfaces inside a car. (I've shot IDPA stages from inside a car and was surprised how quiet it was, relatively speaking)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 29, 2024 07:41 PM (tT6L1)
Good to know. I keep a pair of earplugs in my console. Not sure that I'd have time to use them if a "situation" ever arises, but it couldn't hurt to have 'em.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 29, 2024 07:41 PM (tT6L1)
Good to know. I keep a pair of earplugs in my console. Not sure that I'd have time to use them if a "situation" ever arises, but it couldn't hurt to have 'em.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 29, 2024 07:47 PM (3rnQf)
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 29, 2024 07:47 PM (CEzQx)
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71/ thank you for this info. There are those of us with people in those areas, and this into is very comforting. Thank you for sharing....
Posted by: Grateful at September 29, 2024 07:47 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 6h
BREAKING - John Ashton, best known as detective sergeant John Taggart in “Beverly Hills Cop,” has died. He was 76
BREAKING - John Ashton, best known as detective sergeant John Taggart in “Beverly Hills Cop,” has died. He was 76
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 29, 2024 07:48 PM (CEzQx)
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No, they are traveling lighter: https://tinyurl.com/mvv9ppnz
Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 29, 2024 07:48 PM (MpVUb)
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Ok. Top 75 or so?
No range time - church Oktoberfest coming up soon. I do French fries and Guatemalan fried chicken. Which is a bit of a stretch for a Scots/Irish/German/Belgian guy…
Thanks as always Weasel and the Rest of the Commenting Horde. Have a blessed week everyone.
No range time - church Oktoberfest coming up soon. I do French fries and Guatemalan fried chicken. Which is a bit of a stretch for a Scots/Irish/German/Belgian guy…
Thanks as always Weasel and the Rest of the Commenting Horde. Have a blessed week everyone.
Posted by: Coelacanth at September 29, 2024 07:49 PM (ado5X)
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Also, knowing the charge weight for commercial ammo is useless because you don't know exactly what power they're using and it probably isn't one you could buy off the shelf anyway.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 07:49 PM (/y8xj)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 07:49 PM (57n01)
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So divide 7000 by your charge weight.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 07:40 PM (/y8xj)
So, that internet source was off by two orders of magnitude, for pistol rounds. (Give or take, I just checked a 38 special load.) Whew. My heart is beating easier now, since a single pound was looking like $50-$85 dollars - before shipping and hazmat.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 07:40 PM (/y8xj)
So, that internet source was off by two orders of magnitude, for pistol rounds. (Give or take, I just checked a 38 special load.) Whew. My heart is beating easier now, since a single pound was looking like $50-$85 dollars - before shipping and hazmat.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:50 PM (DDSgs)
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79 Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 6h
BREAKING - John Ashton, best known as detective sergeant John Taggart in “Beverly Hills Cop,” has died. He was 76
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 29, 2024 07:48 PM (CEzQx)
As well as Kris Kristopherson, Rubber Ducky himself.
And Dame Maggie the other day.
BREAKING - John Ashton, best known as detective sergeant John Taggart in “Beverly Hills Cop,” has died. He was 76
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 29, 2024 07:48 PM (CEzQx)
As well as Kris Kristopherson, Rubber Ducky himself.
And Dame Maggie the other day.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 07:50 PM (57n01)
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They are starting to get supplies into the Asheville area and Unicoi county in TN. There are still places completely cut off. DeSantis sending over FL guardsmen to help. It's just devastating.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 29, 2024 07:52 PM (MpVUb)
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Just seems like an awesome thing.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 29, 2024 07:43 PM (MpVUb)
The guards using flintlocks or percussion rifles? Or maybe Sharps breechloaders?
Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 29, 2024 07:43 PM (MpVUb)
The guards using flintlocks or percussion rifles? Or maybe Sharps breechloaders?
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:52 PM (DDSgs)
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86 They are starting to get supplies into the Asheville area and Unicoi county in TN. There are still places completely cut off. DeSantis sending over FL guardsmen to help. It's just devastating.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 29, 2024 07:52 PM (MpVUb
Apocalyptic. Asheville is in bad shape.
People in the mountains never think about a hurricane, I bet. Just insane
Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 29, 2024 07:52 PM (MpVUb
Apocalyptic. Asheville is in bad shape.
People in the mountains never think about a hurricane, I bet. Just insane
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 07:53 PM (57n01)
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Weasel, I'd be afraid of scuffing up that beautiful wood finish if I took that out to the range. I hope that the trigger action is as nice as that finish.
Posted by: Ed L at September 29, 2024 07:55 PM (yRXSd)
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There is an internet YouTube weather guy Ryan Hall who has set up a 501c3 to raise money for people affected by weather related disasters.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 07:56 PM (uGpeQ)
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How many rounds (a round number WAG is fine) do you get out of a pound of powder? Pistol, rifle?
One pound = 7000 grains. Supposedly derived from the approximate weight of a grain of wheat. So divide 7000 by your charge weight.
Posted by: Oddbob
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Even within the same caliber, say 9mm,, there is a huge variation in charge weights depending on powder you use and bullet type/weight. So, very important too keep charges in range of published values.
Anyway... about a thousand pistol rounds per pound of powder, depending on several variables.
One pound = 7000 grains. Supposedly derived from the approximate weight of a grain of wheat. So divide 7000 by your charge weight.
Posted by: Oddbob
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Even within the same caliber, say 9mm,, there is a huge variation in charge weights depending on powder you use and bullet type/weight. So, very important too keep charges in range of published values.
Anyway... about a thousand pistol rounds per pound of powder, depending on several variables.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 29, 2024 07:56 PM (/lPRQ)
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I keep a pair of earplugs in my console. Not sure that I'd have time to use them if a "situation" ever arises, but it couldn't hurt to have 'em.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 29, 2024 07:47 PM (3rnQf)
That's why I was looking at ear buds. I could always have them in when driving, and with the right ones they would clamp down the bang if I ever needed it. (And with the even righter ones I might get some help with muddled hearing - some of them are almost hearing aids, nowadays.)
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 29, 2024 07:47 PM (3rnQf)
That's why I was looking at ear buds. I could always have them in when driving, and with the right ones they would clamp down the bang if I ever needed it. (And with the even righter ones I might get some help with muddled hearing - some of them are almost hearing aids, nowadays.)
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:57 PM (DDSgs)
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Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 07:42 PM (/y8xj)
Speaking of loading .45 ACP (last question, and I'll shut up): the reloading manual lists the Maximum OAL for .45 ACP as 1.275 inches. Trying out my calipers, I measured a factory loaded S&B FMJ round at 1.249 inches. That seems like a pretty big variance. Or is that in the ballpark?
Speaking of loading .45 ACP (last question, and I'll shut up): the reloading manual lists the Maximum OAL for .45 ACP as 1.275 inches. Trying out my calipers, I measured a factory loaded S&B FMJ round at 1.249 inches. That seems like a pretty big variance. Or is that in the ballpark?
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 29, 2024 07:57 PM (3rnQf)
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Yep and the Y'all Squad has been bringing in Starlink to towns to get communications open. Samaritan's Purse has five areas they are working from. Lots of individual efforts going on too.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 29, 2024 07:58 PM (MpVUb)
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People in the mountains never think about a hurricane, I bet. Just insane
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 07:53 PM (57n01)
I read that both I-40 and I-26 are cut due to washouts or bridge failures. The news story didn't say which, or where. All that rain has to go somewhere, and the "hollers" can't hold much water.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 07:53 PM (57n01)
I read that both I-40 and I-26 are cut due to washouts or bridge failures. The news story didn't say which, or where. All that rain has to go somewhere, and the "hollers" can't hold much water.
Posted by: Ed L at September 29, 2024 07:58 PM (yRXSd)
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what a beauty, Weasel!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at September 29, 2024 07:58 PM (UWgy2)
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Posted by: Ed L at September 29, 2024 07:55 PM (yRXSd)
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The gun has a really interesting feature - a hammer interlock connected to the safety which allows dry firing without the hammer dropping. The trigger is really nice!
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The gun has a really interesting feature - a hammer interlock connected to the safety which allows dry firing without the hammer dropping. The trigger is really nice!
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 07:59 PM (uGpeQ)
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Also, knowing the charge weight for commercial ammo is useless
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 07:49 PM (/y8xj)
Excellent point.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 07:49 PM (/y8xj)
Excellent point.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:59 PM (DDSgs)
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37 It (the Hodgdon manual) also appears each section (within caliber and barrel length) shows a case and a bullet type. I understand the bullet type, as the bullet weight and shape would affect the velocity of any powder load.
But it also shows 'COL:1.130" ' and 'PR:CCI 500, SP' and I'm not sure what those are. Anyone?
And, I'm now confused on commercial cartridges. When the grain is listed on commercial cartridges, is that the bullet or powder weight? I'm fairly certain it's the bullet, but more information just fell into my brain and it needs sorting.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:26 PM (DDSgs)
"COL:1.130" mean Cartridge Overall Length is 1.130 inches. This is measured from the base of the cartridge case to the tip of the seated bullet with your calipers.
'PR:CCI 500, SP' means the primer used for testing the load in the data was a CCI #500 Small Pistol primer. You can safely interchange a different brand primer, as long as you are a few tenths of a grain below the max listed powder charge.
On commercial loads, the listed grain weight is the bullet.
But it also shows 'COL:1.130" ' and 'PR:CCI 500, SP' and I'm not sure what those are. Anyone?
And, I'm now confused on commercial cartridges. When the grain is listed on commercial cartridges, is that the bullet or powder weight? I'm fairly certain it's the bullet, but more information just fell into my brain and it needs sorting.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:26 PM (DDSgs)
"COL:1.130" mean Cartridge Overall Length is 1.130 inches. This is measured from the base of the cartridge case to the tip of the seated bullet with your calipers.
'PR:CCI 500, SP' means the primer used for testing the load in the data was a CCI #500 Small Pistol primer. You can safely interchange a different brand primer, as long as you are a few tenths of a grain below the max listed powder charge.
On commercial loads, the listed grain weight is the bullet.
Posted by: BillyD at September 29, 2024 07:59 PM (Yt3ED)
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Apocalyptic. Asheville is in bad shape.
Looks like there is next to nothing left. Prayers up for those folks.
Looks like there is next to nothing left. Prayers up for those folks.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 29, 2024 07:59 PM (mH6SG)
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before shipping and hazmat.
Those can seriously change the calculation for your per-round costs so be sure you're including them when comparing vendors. If you only want 1 lb of something it might be cheaper to buy locally. When mail ordering you can group quite a bit of stuff for one hazmat fee.
Those can seriously change the calculation for your per-round costs so be sure you're including them when comparing vendors. If you only want 1 lb of something it might be cheaper to buy locally. When mail ordering you can group quite a bit of stuff for one hazmat fee.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 08:01 PM (/y8xj)
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Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 07:59 PM (uGpeQ)
Interesting feature. I've been told over and over again to never dry fire .22 LR firearms. Looks like someone figured out a way around that. Does any .22 LR target pistol use that system (or something like it) today?
Interesting feature. I've been told over and over again to never dry fire .22 LR firearms. Looks like someone figured out a way around that. Does any .22 LR target pistol use that system (or something like it) today?
Posted by: Ed L at September 29, 2024 08:01 PM (yRXSd)
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Finally!
Another marathon round trip today down to Mass South Coast. Last of the season, I hope.
I also hope this gets overlooked by the GT PTBs!
Another marathon round trip today down to Mass South Coast. Last of the season, I hope.
I also hope this gets overlooked by the GT PTBs!
Posted by: RI Red at September 29, 2024 08:01 PM (Q/KLI)
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Thanks to Oddbob and EdL for volunteering to share knowledge with added sessions in TX. Good venue to learn stuff...
Posted by: TRex at September 29, 2024 08:02 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Some people never take the thing out of the packaging for fear of dropping in value.
Some people can't wait to play with the thing.
Would you fire Weasel's 1967 Browning?
I'm on the never fire it side of the house.
Some people can't wait to play with the thing.
Would you fire Weasel's 1967 Browning?
I'm on the never fire it side of the house.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:02 PM (57n01)
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95/ I know that I-40 from TN to NC is washed out and won't be up for quite some time.
Posted by: Grateful at September 29, 2024 08:02 PM (IQ6Gq)
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You can get a case gauge (I like L.E. Wilson) to check cartridge dimensions. It's really just a SAAMI spec chamber in steel. I have one for every caliber I reload.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 08:03 PM (uGpeQ)
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40 I just figured out the "PR" information - that's the primer.
Which tells me one answer to another question I had: How do I know which primers to order? There we go.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:27 PM (DDSgs)
Buy rifle primers for loading rifle, pistol primers for loading pistol. Primers come in two sizes, "large" and "small", you will need the correct size for the cases you're loading. There are also "Standard" and "Magnum" primers, you can probably ignore that and start with Standard.
Others may have a different opinion, but I buy whatever brand is cheapest. Precision rifle shooters will probably have a favorite brand, but I'm not operating at that level.
Which tells me one answer to another question I had: How do I know which primers to order? There we go.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:27 PM (DDSgs)
Buy rifle primers for loading rifle, pistol primers for loading pistol. Primers come in two sizes, "large" and "small", you will need the correct size for the cases you're loading. There are also "Standard" and "Magnum" primers, you can probably ignore that and start with Standard.
Others may have a different opinion, but I buy whatever brand is cheapest. Precision rifle shooters will probably have a favorite brand, but I'm not operating at that level.
Posted by: BillyD at September 29, 2024 08:03 PM (Yt3ED)
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So, that internet source was off by two orders of magnitude, for pistol rounds. (Give or take, I just checked a 38 special load.) Whew. My heart is beating easier now, since a single pound was looking like $50-$85 dollars - before shipping and hazmat.
Posted by: GWB
Do you have a big box outdoors store near you?
Cabela's/Bass Pro, Acdemy, Sportsmens Warehouse?
They usually have free "ship to store".
Got lucky with Acdemy once when they had 'free shipping'. Didn't get the hazmat charge either, but they might have fixed that.
Posted by: GWB
Do you have a big box outdoors store near you?
Cabela's/Bass Pro, Acdemy, Sportsmens Warehouse?
They usually have free "ship to store".
Got lucky with Acdemy once when they had 'free shipping'. Didn't get the hazmat charge either, but they might have fixed that.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 29, 2024 08:03 PM (/lPRQ)
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Hey RI Red!!!
How did the FIRE match at your range go?
Did you give it a try?
Will we see you in Texas next month?
So many questions. :-)
How did the FIRE match at your range go?
Did you give it a try?
Will we see you in Texas next month?
So many questions. :-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 29, 2024 08:04 PM (0XVad)
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If you watch Midway and Powder Valley or just get on their spam lists, sometimes they run deals with free shipping and/or free hazmat.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 08:04 PM (/y8xj)
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if you bought digital calipers, be sure to frequently check the zero, it can drift, and thereby give an inaccurate measurement ...
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at September 29, 2024 08:05 PM (UWgy2)
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Posted by: Ed L at September 29, 2024 08:01 PM (yRXSd)
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I'd never heard of it before but it's a great idea! Funny story - the uncle who gave it to me took it to a gunsmith at some point and the feature was "on" and the gunsmith thought it was broken and needed a new firing pin. I deselected the feature and it worked fine.
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I'd never heard of it before but it's a great idea! Funny story - the uncle who gave it to me took it to a gunsmith at some point and the feature was "on" and the gunsmith thought it was broken and needed a new firing pin. I deselected the feature and it worked fine.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 08:07 PM (uGpeQ)
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50 OK, a more generic question for reloading:
How many rounds (a round number WAG is fine) do you get out of a pound of powder? Pistol, rifle?
Because I looked at 1lb jugs of powder... and I wondered "How the H*** is this cheaper than buying commercial?!" I said other dirty words, too - similar to the ones I frequently say now in the grocery store.
Somewhere online said ~40 to 60, which put the powder at more than a dollar a round, and that seemed astounding.
I was looking at the single pounds for when I start, checking to see if it's what I want to work with, what the value might end up being, etc. Rather than invest in a 10lb jug of something and finding out a 1/2lb in that it's not really what I want.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:34 PM (DDSgs)
There are 7,000 grains to a pound, so divide 7000 by the charge weight you're using to get the number of reloads to a pound.
And, yes, I wouldn't buy anything larger that one pound cans until you get deeper into reloading and are sure what powder you like.
How many rounds (a round number WAG is fine) do you get out of a pound of powder? Pistol, rifle?
Because I looked at 1lb jugs of powder... and I wondered "How the H*** is this cheaper than buying commercial?!" I said other dirty words, too - similar to the ones I frequently say now in the grocery store.
Somewhere online said ~40 to 60, which put the powder at more than a dollar a round, and that seemed astounding.
I was looking at the single pounds for when I start, checking to see if it's what I want to work with, what the value might end up being, etc. Rather than invest in a 10lb jug of something and finding out a 1/2lb in that it's not really what I want.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:34 PM (DDSgs)
There are 7,000 grains to a pound, so divide 7000 by the charge weight you're using to get the number of reloads to a pound.
And, yes, I wouldn't buy anything larger that one pound cans until you get deeper into reloading and are sure what powder you like.
Posted by: BillyD at September 29, 2024 08:07 PM (Yt3ED)
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Kristoffer Kristofferson, June 22, 1936, Brownsville, Texas, U.S.
Age at death 88 years
Died September 28, 2024, Maui, Hawaii, U.S
Well I woke up Sunday morning.
Age at death 88 years
Died September 28, 2024, Maui, Hawaii, U.S
Well I woke up Sunday morning.
Posted by: rhennigantx at September 29, 2024 08:07 PM (gbOdA)
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Some people never take the thing out of the packaging for fear of dropping in value.
Some people can't wait to play with the thing.
Would you fire Weasel's 1967 Browning?
I'm on the never fire it side of the house.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:02 PM (57n01)
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Great observation! What do you all think?
Some people can't wait to play with the thing.
Would you fire Weasel's 1967 Browning?
I'm on the never fire it side of the house.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:02 PM (57n01)
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Great observation! What do you all think?
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 08:09 PM (uGpeQ)
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Wow. Very nice Browning.
Bet you pop some tree rats in the eye with that.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 29, 2024 07:04 PM (/lPRQ)
That is one very pretty pistol.
Bet you pop some tree rats in the eye with that.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 29, 2024 07:04 PM (/lPRQ)
That is one very pretty pistol.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 29, 2024 08:10 PM (0rBPF)
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the reloading manual lists the Maximum OAL for .45 ACP as 1.275 inches. Trying out my calipers, I measured a factory loaded S&B FMJ round at 1.249 inches. That seems like a pretty big variance. Or is that in the ballpark?
Maximum is set by SAAMI standards. Shorter is fine. But be aware the the deeper you seat, the smaller the combustion volume so the higher the pressure. Nearer the max is probably safer as long as it feed reliably in your gun.
Maximum is set by SAAMI standards. Shorter is fine. But be aware the the deeper you seat, the smaller the combustion volume so the higher the pressure. Nearer the max is probably safer as long as it feed reliably in your gun.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 08:10 PM (/y8xj)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 29, 2024 08:11 PM (mH6SG)
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Posted by: Grateful at September 29, 2024 08:02 PM (IQ6Gq)
It'll be interesting to see how truck traffic detours around that cut. I-40 is a major east-west route for truck traffic. If East Coast dockworkers go on strike, that might actually ease some of the truck traffic that would have to find a detour.
It'll be interesting to see how truck traffic detours around that cut. I-40 is a major east-west route for truck traffic. If East Coast dockworkers go on strike, that might actually ease some of the truck traffic that would have to find a detour.
Posted by: Ed L at September 29, 2024 08:12 PM (yRXSd)
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I'm on the never fire it side of the house.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:02 PM (57n01)
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Great observation! What do you all think?
I'm torn. Guns are meant to be shot but I am also a gooshy sentimentalist. I have some of my dad's that I'm reluctant to shoot that aren't nearly in the same class as that Medalist.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:02 PM (57n01)
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Great observation! What do you all think?
I'm torn. Guns are meant to be shot but I am also a gooshy sentimentalist. I have some of my dad's that I'm reluctant to shoot that aren't nearly in the same class as that Medalist.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 08:13 PM (/y8xj)
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84 So divide 7000 by your charge weight.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 07:40 PM (/y8xj)
So, that internet source was off by two orders of magnitude, for pistol rounds. (Give or take, I just checked a 38 special load.) Whew. My heart is beating easier now, since a single pound was looking like $50-$85 dollars - before shipping and hazmat.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:50 PM (DDSgs)
I recommend looking for a local (or semi-local) source for powder and primers, rather than mail order. Shipping and hazmat charges can really drive up the cost, to the point that paying $5 or $10 more per pound locally can wind up cheaper than mail order.
Some mail order places occasionally have free shipping and/or hazmat deals. Worth waiting for.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 07:40 PM (/y8xj)
So, that internet source was off by two orders of magnitude, for pistol rounds. (Give or take, I just checked a 38 special load.) Whew. My heart is beating easier now, since a single pound was looking like $50-$85 dollars - before shipping and hazmat.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:50 PM (DDSgs)
I recommend looking for a local (or semi-local) source for powder and primers, rather than mail order. Shipping and hazmat charges can really drive up the cost, to the point that paying $5 or $10 more per pound locally can wind up cheaper than mail order.
Some mail order places occasionally have free shipping and/or hazmat deals. Worth waiting for.
Posted by: BillyD at September 29, 2024 08:13 PM (Yt3ED)
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Some mail order places occasionally have free shipping and/or hazmat deals. Worth waiting for.
Posted by: BillyD at September 29, 2024 08:13 PM (Yt3ED)
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Yep!!!
Posted by: BillyD at September 29, 2024 08:13 PM (Yt3ED)
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Yep!!!
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 08:14 PM (uGpeQ)
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Nearer the max is probably safer as long as it feed reliably in your gun.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 08:10 PM (/y8xj)
Thanks!
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 08:10 PM (/y8xj)
Thanks!
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 29, 2024 08:15 PM (3rnQf)
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Howdy gub 'ettes and 'rons, and a slightly jealous nod (because of that sweet Browning Medalist pictured above) to our host Weasel.
No range time today (it was youth group Sunday), but I did get to overhear a discussion in the church building between two middle-school boys about how to summon a demon in one's sister's room. So I got that going for me, which is nice.
No range time today (it was youth group Sunday), but I did get to overhear a discussion in the church building between two middle-school boys about how to summon a demon in one's sister's room. So I got that going for me, which is nice.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 29, 2024 08:16 PM (v23vE)
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37 It (the Hodgdon manual) also appears each section (within caliber and barrel length) shows a case and a bullet type. I understand the bullet type, as the bullet weight and shape would affect the velocity of any powder load.
But it also shows 'COL:1.130" ' and 'PR:CCI 500, SP' and I'm not sure what those are. Anyone?
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COL is the cartridge overall length with the specified bullet. 9mm, for example, has a SAAMI maximum COL of 1.16" but depending on the exact bullet used, your COL for a particular load and bullet can be far shorter than that. For example, a Hornady XTP bullet is a truncated cone design and usually comes in well short of the 1.16 COL for 9mm.
The PR is CCI Primer 500 (small pistol). Primers are NOT exactly interchangeable so you cannot plug in a Remington Small Pistol (1 1/2) Here is a handy primer reference chart from Long Range Hunters as a pdf download. https://tinyurl.com/ysr5v8ej
Another useful download is Grafs and Sons (a reloading supply company) with the SAAMI cartridge and the appropriate primer for that cartridge. https://tinyurl.com/ymzhbhtn
But it also shows 'COL:1.130" ' and 'PR:CCI 500, SP' and I'm not sure what those are. Anyone?
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COL is the cartridge overall length with the specified bullet. 9mm, for example, has a SAAMI maximum COL of 1.16" but depending on the exact bullet used, your COL for a particular load and bullet can be far shorter than that. For example, a Hornady XTP bullet is a truncated cone design and usually comes in well short of the 1.16 COL for 9mm.
The PR is CCI Primer 500 (small pistol). Primers are NOT exactly interchangeable so you cannot plug in a Remington Small Pistol (1 1/2) Here is a handy primer reference chart from Long Range Hunters as a pdf download. https://tinyurl.com/ysr5v8ej
Another useful download is Grafs and Sons (a reloading supply company) with the SAAMI cartridge and the appropriate primer for that cartridge. https://tinyurl.com/ymzhbhtn
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2024 08:16 PM (SI97o)
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Would you fire Weasel's Browning?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:02 PM (57n01)
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Great observation! What do you all think?
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 08:09 PM (uGpeQ)
Very carefully. The odds of finding spare parts (short of cannibalization) or even a gunsmith who knows what they're doing with that firearm nearly 60 years after it was made can't be good.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:02 PM (57n01)
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Great observation! What do you all think?
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 08:09 PM (uGpeQ)
Very carefully. The odds of finding spare parts (short of cannibalization) or even a gunsmith who knows what they're doing with that firearm nearly 60 years after it was made can't be good.
Posted by: Ed L at September 29, 2024 08:16 PM (yRXSd)
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Would you fire Weasel's 1967 Browning?
Absolutely, 100%. Of course, I don't have a "collectors" bone in my body. I build guns to shoot period!!
Absolutely, 100%. Of course, I don't have a "collectors" bone in my body. I build guns to shoot period!!
Posted by: ck at September 29, 2024 08:16 PM (nMOLw)
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@71 Notsothoreau, thanks for that mule news. It kind of gives you hope, you know? I'll be watching for updates. I worked with a guy (and got involved with his daughter) who'd been a muleteer in WWII. He had the attitude for it.
It was Miller beer's horse team that had a 40-hitch. The famous mules were Twenty-Mule Team, but advertising history reveals very few trains ever ran with that many. Outstanding wagon wheels, too.
It was Miller beer's horse team that had a 40-hitch. The famous mules were Twenty-Mule Team, but advertising history reveals very few trains ever ran with that many. Outstanding wagon wheels, too.
Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at September 29, 2024 08:17 PM (zdLoL)
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19 Wow, I could tell that pistol was a Browning right away from the barrel. That is GORGEOUS! Presentation case and everything. Someone thinks very highly of you, Weasel.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:09 PM (DDSgs)
Weasel? Forget The Weez - what about his uncle's mother? What a woman! To have a lady that loves someone like that is truly a gift from Heaven.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:09 PM (DDSgs)
Weasel? Forget The Weez - what about his uncle's mother? What a woman! To have a lady that loves someone like that is truly a gift from Heaven.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 29, 2024 08:17 PM (SJ0+K)
Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 29, 2024 08:18 PM (SJ0+K)
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93 Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 07:42 PM (/y8xj)
Speaking of loading .45 ACP (last question, and I'll shut up): the reloading manual lists the Maximum OAL for .45 ACP as 1.275 inches. Trying out my calipers, I measured a factory loaded S&B FMJ round at 1.249 inches. That seems like a pretty big variance. Or is that in the ballpark?
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 29, 2024 07:57 PM (3rnQf)
It's ballpark, depending on the bullet weight. Obviously, a heavier bullet will be longer than a lighter bullet. The Maximum OAL is typically an industry specification based on magazine length; a cartridge longer than that may not fit into the magazine. When reloading, load to the length specified in the loading data, which should always be shorter than the COAL, and is correct for the bullet and powder charge used.
Speaking of loading .45 ACP (last question, and I'll shut up): the reloading manual lists the Maximum OAL for .45 ACP as 1.275 inches. Trying out my calipers, I measured a factory loaded S&B FMJ round at 1.249 inches. That seems like a pretty big variance. Or is that in the ballpark?
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 29, 2024 07:57 PM (3rnQf)
It's ballpark, depending on the bullet weight. Obviously, a heavier bullet will be longer than a lighter bullet. The Maximum OAL is typically an industry specification based on magazine length; a cartridge longer than that may not fit into the magazine. When reloading, load to the length specified in the loading data, which should always be shorter than the COAL, and is correct for the bullet and powder charge used.
Posted by: BillyD at September 29, 2024 08:18 PM (Yt3ED)
Posted by: Reforger at September 29, 2024 08:18 PM (xcIvR)
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Hodgen Titegroup is a good catch-all powder. Been around forever, usually available, low charge weights, and Hodgen has load data for virtually everything from 25acp to 500s&w.
Lower cost than most powders too.
Lower cost than most powders too.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 29, 2024 08:19 PM (/lPRQ)
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Very carefully. The odds of finding spare parts (short of cannibalization) or even a gunsmith who knows what they're doing with that firearm nearly 60 years after it was made can't be good.
Posted by: Ed L at September 29, 2024 08:16 PM (yRXSd
That's a good point. Any replacement parts would likely be hand made at this point unless you know people who know people.
Posted by: Ed L at September 29, 2024 08:16 PM (yRXSd
That's a good point. Any replacement parts would likely be hand made at this point unless you know people who know people.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:19 PM (57n01)
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92 I keep a pair of earplugs in my console. Not sure that I'd have time to use them if a "situation" ever arises, but it couldn't hurt to have 'em.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 29, 2024 07:47 PM (3rnQf)
That's why I was looking at ear buds. I could always have them in when driving, and with the right ones they would clamp down the bang if I ever needed it. (And with the even righter ones I might get some help with muddled hearing - some of them are almost hearing aids, nowadays.)
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:57 PM (DDSgs)
I have a couple pairs of the Axil Ghost Stryke Bluetooth earbuds and can wear them comfortably for extended periods of time. However, I have found that they do not entirely attenuate the sounds of 5.56 and 7.62 rifle shots at my indoor range, so I supplement them with over-the-ear muffs. (The rifle report with just the earbuds would not cause hearing damage -- it's just unpleasant under sustained fire conditions.)
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 29, 2024 07:47 PM (3rnQf)
That's why I was looking at ear buds. I could always have them in when driving, and with the right ones they would clamp down the bang if I ever needed it. (And with the even righter ones I might get some help with muddled hearing - some of them are almost hearing aids, nowadays.)
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 07:57 PM (DDSgs)
I have a couple pairs of the Axil Ghost Stryke Bluetooth earbuds and can wear them comfortably for extended periods of time. However, I have found that they do not entirely attenuate the sounds of 5.56 and 7.62 rifle shots at my indoor range, so I supplement them with over-the-ear muffs. (The rifle report with just the earbuds would not cause hearing damage -- it's just unpleasant under sustained fire conditions.)
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 29, 2024 08:19 PM (v23vE)
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93 Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 07:42 PM (/y8xj)
Speaking of loading .45 ACP (last question, and I'll shut up):
. . . and don't feel obliged to stop asking questions, we're here to help.
Speaking of loading .45 ACP (last question, and I'll shut up):
. . . and don't feel obliged to stop asking questions, we're here to help.
Posted by: BillyD at September 29, 2024 08:19 PM (Yt3ED)
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Scoobs, match was great, but now I have the bug bad. As each shooter/team came to my station, I started adding up all the new gear I would “need”.
Weasel, I’m in the “put a grip on the katana and use it” side.
Weasel, I’m in the “put a grip on the katana and use it” side.
Posted by: RI Red at September 29, 2024 08:20 PM (Q/KLI)
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I'm on the never fire it side of the house.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:02 PM (57n01)
Well, of course, I'd never fire it inside the house! Unless you had a range in your house.
Yes, I would fire it. It's a gun, so it shouldn't be fragile.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:02 PM (57n01)
Well, of course, I'd never fire it inside the house! Unless you had a range in your house.
Yes, I would fire it. It's a gun, so it shouldn't be fragile.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 08:20 PM (DDSgs)
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I don't mind shooting ordinary looking firearms. A work of art like the one Weasel, has though? It's just aching for someone like me to develop butterfingers and drop the thing on the bench on its trip to the floor.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 29, 2024 08:20 PM (tT6L1)
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Weasel? Forget The Weez - what about his uncle's mother? What a woman! To have a lady that loves someone like that is truly a gift from Heaven.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 29, 2024 08:17 PM (SJ0+K)
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I knew her for years and she was quite a remarkable woman! BTW, I read somewhere that gun cost around $200 in the late Sixties.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 29, 2024 08:17 PM (SJ0+K)
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I knew her for years and she was quite a remarkable woman! BTW, I read somewhere that gun cost around $200 in the late Sixties.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 08:20 PM (uGpeQ)
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I knew her for years and she was quite a remarkable woman! BTW, I read somewhere that gun cost around $200 in the late Sixties.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 08:20 PM (uGpeQ)
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That's a lot of money back then. Wow.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 08:20 PM (uGpeQ)
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That's a lot of money back then. Wow.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 29, 2024 08:21 PM (tT6L1)
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Got lucky with Acdemy once when they had 'free shipping'. Didn't get the hazmat charge either, but they might have fixed that.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 29, 2024 08:03 PM (/lPRQ)
Midsouth Shooter's Supply has free hazmat sometimes (like right now, when I'm not ready to buy).
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 29, 2024 08:03 PM (/lPRQ)
Midsouth Shooter's Supply has free hazmat sometimes (like right now, when I'm not ready to buy).
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 08:22 PM (DDSgs)
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Rural Heritage had a video on a modern day 20 mule team. It was amazing to watch! They are getting helicopters in and I saw a drone drop of insulin to someone. It's a major disaster (plus we have a chemical fire in GA too)
Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 29, 2024 08:22 PM (MpVUb)
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105 Some people never take the thing out of the packaging for fear of dropping in value.
Some people can't wait to play with the thing.
Would you fire Weasel's 1967 Browning?
I'm on the never fire it side of the house.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:02 PM (57n01)
Not me, no safe queens here, everything gets shot, at least occasionally.
I might change my opinion if someone gave me a gun as nice as that, but I don't buy anything I'm not going to shoot.
Some people can't wait to play with the thing.
Would you fire Weasel's 1967 Browning?
I'm on the never fire it side of the house.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:02 PM (57n01)
Not me, no safe queens here, everything gets shot, at least occasionally.
I might change my opinion if someone gave me a gun as nice as that, but I don't buy anything I'm not going to shoot.
Posted by: BillyD at September 29, 2024 08:23 PM (Yt3ED)
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Well I woke up Sunday morning.
Posted by: rhennigantx at September 29, 2024 08:07 PM (gbOdA)
Better to be seen than viewed, they say.
Posted by: rhennigantx at September 29, 2024 08:07 PM (gbOdA)
Better to be seen than viewed, they say.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 08:23 PM (DDSgs)
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200 bucks in 1967 is about 1800 dollars today.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:23 PM (57n01)
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Check out American Reloading, hazmat and shipping are included in the price. Great place for primers and brass and the best deals on powder ( the powder is for more advanced reloaders, it's generic stuff from St. Marks) I have another 16 lbs of "similar to Winchester 6.5 Staball" on the way!!
Posted by: ck at September 29, 2024 08:24 PM (nMOLw)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at September 29, 2024 08:26 PM (UWgy2)
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I guess I'm somewhat crass. Never owned a firearm just to look at it. Heh.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 29, 2024 08:26 PM (mH6SG)
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your COL for a particular load and bullet can be far shorter than that.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2024 08:16 PM (SI97o)
Which explains why the COL is different for a lot of the bullets, even though the same caliber.
I grasp this stuff much better now. Thank you all. Gun Thread morons are the best morons!
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2024 08:16 PM (SI97o)
Which explains why the COL is different for a lot of the bullets, even though the same caliber.
I grasp this stuff much better now. Thank you all. Gun Thread morons are the best morons!
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 08:26 PM (DDSgs)
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So the bottom line is the old girlfriend set everything in motion. Just kidding sort of.
I also assume he left out the part where the other two guys were convicted felons and shouldn’t have been in possession of a firearm.
I also think he probably downed played his own wreckless driving a bit being a 20 year old guy in a sports car.
That said , I have to admit I wouldn’t have acted so preemptively as he did for a couple of reasons . The girlfriend and shooting toward traffic / ‘bystanders’. He was also prepared to immediately shoot an unarmed guy.
I think what he did was self defense after he saw the gun but a little too eager for me.
I also assume he left out the part where the other two guys were convicted felons and shouldn’t have been in possession of a firearm.
I also think he probably downed played his own wreckless driving a bit being a 20 year old guy in a sports car.
That said , I have to admit I wouldn’t have acted so preemptively as he did for a couple of reasons . The girlfriend and shooting toward traffic / ‘bystanders’. He was also prepared to immediately shoot an unarmed guy.
I think what he did was self defense after he saw the gun but a little too eager for me.
Posted by: Sebation Melmoth at September 29, 2024 08:26 PM (D6PGr)
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Weasel, is there a test fire brass included with it?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:27 PM (57n01)
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122 84 So divide 7000 by your charge weight.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 07:40 PM (/y8xj)
So, that internet source was off by two orders of magnitude, for pistol rounds. (Give or take, I just checked a 38 special load.) Whew. My heart is beating easier now, since a single pound was looking like $50-$85 dollars - before shipping and hazmat.
Posted by: GWB
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The all time winner for cheap pistol target loads in older handgun cartridges is Alliant's Bullseye which is a very very fast powder that requires very little for target 38 Special or 45 ACP loads. YOU MUST PAY ATTENTION when loading Bullseye as a double charge is easy to do, harder to detect, and can very quickly damage the firearm and the human firing it.
That being said, Winchester 231/HP38 Hodgdons (same powder nowadays) is a bit more versatile, less risk of overcharging due to being a bulkier powder, etc. You can even load mild 357 magnum loads with it. Unique (and Hodgdon's clone Universal) are both shotgun powders and excellent pistol powders. And also recommended.
There are some more modern powders like Titegroup, Silhouette, but they have some caveats in using them.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 07:40 PM (/y8xj)
So, that internet source was off by two orders of magnitude, for pistol rounds. (Give or take, I just checked a 38 special load.) Whew. My heart is beating easier now, since a single pound was looking like $50-$85 dollars - before shipping and hazmat.
Posted by: GWB
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The all time winner for cheap pistol target loads in older handgun cartridges is Alliant's Bullseye which is a very very fast powder that requires very little for target 38 Special or 45 ACP loads. YOU MUST PAY ATTENTION when loading Bullseye as a double charge is easy to do, harder to detect, and can very quickly damage the firearm and the human firing it.
That being said, Winchester 231/HP38 Hodgdons (same powder nowadays) is a bit more versatile, less risk of overcharging due to being a bulkier powder, etc. You can even load mild 357 magnum loads with it. Unique (and Hodgdon's clone Universal) are both shotgun powders and excellent pistol powders. And also recommended.
There are some more modern powders like Titegroup, Silhouette, but they have some caveats in using them.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2024 08:27 PM (SI97o)
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I would not be the first to show a weapon.
I would be the first to run over the pedestrian or trap them in between cars if I was being threatened.
The girlfriend should have been of the phone with 911 after the second aggressive cutoff. And then constantly during the encounter.
Only reason I'm the first to draw is if you're breaking into my home. Then all bets are off.
I have a Marine.
I do think the young man may have been a little less innocent than he describes. Were both drivers being dicks? Probably. Should shots have been fired? Absolutely not.
I am the mellowest driver on the planet now that I have a pistol on board most of the time. Only time I would draw is if someone is approaching my vehicle showing a gun. Otherwise, windows up, doors locked, horn blasting, 911 called. Evasive maneuvers taken.
I would be the first to run over the pedestrian or trap them in between cars if I was being threatened.
The girlfriend should have been of the phone with 911 after the second aggressive cutoff. And then constantly during the encounter.
Only reason I'm the first to draw is if you're breaking into my home. Then all bets are off.
I have a Marine.
I do think the young man may have been a little less innocent than he describes. Were both drivers being dicks? Probably. Should shots have been fired? Absolutely not.
I am the mellowest driver on the planet now that I have a pistol on board most of the time. Only time I would draw is if someone is approaching my vehicle showing a gun. Otherwise, windows up, doors locked, horn blasting, 911 called. Evasive maneuvers taken.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 08:28 PM (opniS)
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200 bucks in 1967 is about 1800 dollars today.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:23 PM (57n01)
So, about a month's paycheck for the average person.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:23 PM (57n01)
So, about a month's paycheck for the average person.
Posted by: Ed L at September 29, 2024 08:28 PM (yRXSd)
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153 Weasel, is there a test fire brass included with it?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:27 PM (57n01)
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No, not that I saw and I don't believe there are any little compartments in the case.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:27 PM (57n01)
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No, not that I saw and I don't believe there are any little compartments in the case.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 08:28 PM (uGpeQ)
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Which explains why the COL is different for a lot of the bullets, even though the same caliber.
I grasp this stuff much better now. Thank you all. Gun Thread morons are the best morons!
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 08:26 PM (DDSgs)
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Just wait until you go down the long range rifle accuracy road. Think COAL hurts your head now......
I grasp this stuff much better now. Thank you all. Gun Thread morons are the best morons!
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 08:26 PM (DDSgs)
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Just wait until you go down the long range rifle accuracy road. Think COAL hurts your head now......
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 29, 2024 08:28 PM (tT6L1)
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BTW, I read somewhere that gun cost around $200 in the late Sixties.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 08:20 PM (uGpeQ)
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That's a lot of money back then. Wow.
Holy cow. Handy, dandy inflation calculator app says $200@1969 ~= $1700@2024. Thanks, Fed!
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 08:20 PM (uGpeQ)
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That's a lot of money back then. Wow.
Holy cow. Handy, dandy inflation calculator app says $200@1969 ~= $1700@2024. Thanks, Fed!
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 08:28 PM (/y8xj)
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Would you fire Weasel's 1967 Browning?
Absolutely. Shoot it until the bore wore out.
If were mine I'd limit it to 50 year. The good stuff too.
Absolutely. Shoot it until the bore wore out.
If were mine I'd limit it to 50 year. The good stuff too.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 29, 2024 08:29 PM (/lPRQ)
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. . . and don't feel obliged to stop asking questions, we're here to help.
Posted by: BillyD at September 29, 2024 08:19 PM (Yt3ED)
Thanks. I just hate to be asking stuff that's boring to some and obvious to others.
Posted by: BillyD at September 29, 2024 08:19 PM (Yt3ED)
Thanks. I just hate to be asking stuff that's boring to some and obvious to others.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 29, 2024 08:30 PM (3rnQf)
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Concur on TiteGroup. I use Bullseye as an all around pistol powder as well.
Posted by: RI Red at September 29, 2024 08:30 PM (Q/KLI)
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I am the mellowest driver on the planet now that I have a pistol on board most of the time. Only time I would draw is if someone is approaching my vehicle showing a gun. Otherwise, windows up, doors locked, horn blasting, 911 called. Evasive maneuvers taken.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 08:28 PM (opniS
This is the way.
He was right to pull his weapon if the guy was intimating his hand on a weapon. Gun or not, you think your life is in danger.
Cops shoot people pulling out cellphones.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 08:28 PM (opniS
This is the way.
He was right to pull his weapon if the guy was intimating his hand on a weapon. Gun or not, you think your life is in danger.
Cops shoot people pulling out cellphones.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:30 PM (57n01)
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I have a couple pairs of the Axil Ghost Stryke Bluetooth earbuds
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 29, 2024 08:19 PM (v23vE)
Ooh! Added to my list.
And, of course, not worried about long, sustained fire. Just worried about having to shoot some zombies trying to box me in while in my car. I anticipate still having to say to the responding officer, "WHAT?! I CAN'T HEAR YOU! I'LL GIVE YOU A STATEMENT ONCE I CAN HEAR MY LAWYER!"
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 29, 2024 08:19 PM (v23vE)
Ooh! Added to my list.
And, of course, not worried about long, sustained fire. Just worried about having to shoot some zombies trying to box me in while in my car. I anticipate still having to say to the responding officer, "WHAT?! I CAN'T HEAR YOU! I'LL GIVE YOU A STATEMENT ONCE I CAN HEAR MY LAWYER!"
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 08:31 PM (DDSgs)
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138 Posted by: RI Red at September 29, 2024 08:20 PM
I am trying my damnedest not to fall into that category. My itch has been scratched by my recent purchase, now to work on getting that credit card balance down again. LOL
I am trying my damnedest not to fall into that category. My itch has been scratched by my recent purchase, now to work on getting that credit card balance down again. LOL
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 29, 2024 08:31 PM (0XVad)
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Cops shoot people pulling out cellphones.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:30 P
And people here jump their shit for it.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:30 P
And people here jump their shit for it.
Posted by: Sebation Melmoth at September 29, 2024 08:32 PM (D6PGr)
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If any of you new (or old) reloaders are interested, I converted the whole reloading series I did for the GT a few years ago into a PDF. Send me an email and I will send you a copy of it.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 08:34 PM (uGpeQ)
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To me, the lesson from the self defense video is to do everything in your power to de-escalate a road rage incident. There are some crazy mofos out there and it seems to be getting worse.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 29, 2024 08:34 PM (mH6SG)
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@nurse, only one person got out of the vehicle to escalate the situation. And the person who got out was the person driving the car which boxed in the other driver.
Everyone stays in their car and drives away, this doesn't happen. And the guy who made the video made it pretty clear he'd have driven away if he could, but, with the way he was boxed in, he couldn't.
Everyone stays in their car and drives away, this doesn't happen. And the guy who made the video made it pretty clear he'd have driven away if he could, but, with the way he was boxed in, he couldn't.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 29, 2024 08:35 PM (tT6L1)
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Concur on mellow as well.
Mrs Red was an ER Nurse and would come home after second shift and tell me about road rage, and screwdrivers in eye sockets n stuff.
I haven’t even flipped anybody off in traffic in at least three decades.
Mrs Red was an ER Nurse and would come home after second shift and tell me about road rage, and screwdrivers in eye sockets n stuff.
I haven’t even flipped anybody off in traffic in at least three decades.
Posted by: RI Red at September 29, 2024 08:35 PM (Q/KLI)
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John Ashton, the bald headed older cop, Taggart, in Beverly Hills Cop died at 76.
Posted by: SMOD at September 29, 2024 08:37 PM (GITLP)
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@RI Red, I'm trying to get myself to remember even laying into the horn because someone does something stupid in front of you is probably a really bad idea.
And, yeah, flipping off people is something I don't do, either.
And, yeah, flipping off people is something I don't do, either.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 29, 2024 08:38 PM (tT6L1)
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Posted by: BillyD at September 29, 2024 08:23 PM (Yt3ED)
BillyD, I don't recall seeing your nic before but we've obviously found the subject that gets you out of your chair and onto the dance floor. Welcome!
BillyD, I don't recall seeing your nic before but we've obviously found the subject that gets you out of your chair and onto the dance floor. Welcome!
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 08:38 PM (/y8xj)
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170 I haven’t even flipped anybody off in traffic in at least three decades.
Posted by: RI Red at September 29, 2024 08:35 PM
I just shake my head and mutter what an a hole the person was. Not worth going crazy over something.
Posted by: RI Red at September 29, 2024 08:35 PM
I just shake my head and mutter what an a hole the person was. Not worth going crazy over something.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 29, 2024 08:38 PM (0XVad)
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Nobody wants to be in a gunfight. But...there may be somebody in your future who gets you in one. Train accordingly.
Posted by: Eromero at September 29, 2024 08:38 PM (LHPAg)
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I haven’t even flipped anybody off in traffic in at least three decades.
Yeah, I don't do that anymore either. Takes a lot of self-restraint but it's just not worth it.
Yeah, I don't do that anymore either. Takes a lot of self-restraint but it's just not worth it.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 29, 2024 08:38 PM (mH6SG)
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154
The all time winner for cheap pistol target loads in older handgun cartridges is Alliant's Bullseye which is a very very fast powder that requires very little for target 38 Special or 45 ACP loads. YOU MUST PAY ATTENTION when loading Bullseye as a double charge is easy to do, harder to detect, and can very quickly damage the firearm and the human firing it.
That being said, Winchester 231/HP38 Hodgdons (same powder nowadays) is a bit more versatile, less risk of overcharging due to being a bulkier powder, etc. You can even load mild 357 magnum loads with it.
I'm a big fan of Bullseye for loading handgun, I'm halfway through a 4 pound jug and have an unopened 8 pounder which will probably last me the rest of my life. Alliant powders don't seem to be available much these days, so probably not a great option for a new reloader.
Win231/HP38 is also a good choice for a lot of handgun cartridges. I burned a few pounds of it when Bullseye was unavailable during the Great Obama Reloading Component Drought.
Unique was always dirty for me, everyone else seems to like it. Probably doesn't matter, as it also seems to be unavailable.
The all time winner for cheap pistol target loads in older handgun cartridges is Alliant's Bullseye which is a very very fast powder that requires very little for target 38 Special or 45 ACP loads. YOU MUST PAY ATTENTION when loading Bullseye as a double charge is easy to do, harder to detect, and can very quickly damage the firearm and the human firing it.
That being said, Winchester 231/HP38 Hodgdons (same powder nowadays) is a bit more versatile, less risk of overcharging due to being a bulkier powder, etc. You can even load mild 357 magnum loads with it.
I'm a big fan of Bullseye for loading handgun, I'm halfway through a 4 pound jug and have an unopened 8 pounder which will probably last me the rest of my life. Alliant powders don't seem to be available much these days, so probably not a great option for a new reloader.
Win231/HP38 is also a good choice for a lot of handgun cartridges. I burned a few pounds of it when Bullseye was unavailable during the Great Obama Reloading Component Drought.
Unique was always dirty for me, everyone else seems to like it. Probably doesn't matter, as it also seems to be unavailable.
Posted by: BillyD at September 29, 2024 08:39 PM (Yt3ED)
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@RI Red, I'm trying to get myself to remember even laying into the horn because someone does something stupid in front of you is probably a really bad idea.
And, yeah, flipping off people is something I don't do, either.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1)
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I only use the horn to wake up the guy in front of me when the light turns green. I would apprecite it if somebody did that for me.
Never flip anybody off unless I want to piss them off.
A goofy Forest Gump wave and big smile would not piss them off.
And, yeah, flipping off people is something I don't do, either.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1)
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I only use the horn to wake up the guy in front of me when the light turns green. I would apprecite it if somebody did that for me.
Never flip anybody off unless I want to piss them off.
A goofy Forest Gump wave and big smile would not piss them off.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 29, 2024 08:41 PM (/lPRQ)
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I just hate to be asking stuff that's boring to some and obvious to others.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 29, 2024 08:30 PM (3rnQf)
Heh. Given the Horde (particularly the Gun Morons) I'm not sure you won't someone excited by almost anything you ask.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 29, 2024 08:30 PM (3rnQf)
Heh. Given the Horde (particularly the Gun Morons) I'm not sure you won't someone excited by almost anything you ask.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 08:41 PM (DDSgs)
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Alliant powders don't seem to be available much these days, so probably not a great option for a new reloader.
I "heard" from a small shop owner that Alliant or whatever corp owns them changed their distribution a couple of years ago to favor large retailers over independents. Of course during the Covid drought, there was nothing anywhere but stuff seems to be coming back now, if somewhat unevenly.
I "heard" from a small shop owner that Alliant or whatever corp owns them changed their distribution a couple of years ago to favor large retailers over independents. Of course during the Covid drought, there was nothing anywhere but stuff seems to be coming back now, if somewhat unevenly.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 08:43 PM (/y8xj)
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173 Posted by: BillyD at September 29, 2024 08:23 PM (Yt3ED)
BillyD, I don't recall seeing your nic before but we've obviously found the subject that gets you out of your chair and onto the dance floor. Welcome!
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 08:38 PM (/y8xj)
Yeah, I lurk mostly, I enjoy reloading and am happy to help someone who is new to it.
BillyD, I don't recall seeing your nic before but we've obviously found the subject that gets you out of your chair and onto the dance floor. Welcome!
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 08:38 PM (/y8xj)
Yeah, I lurk mostly, I enjoy reloading and am happy to help someone who is new to it.
Posted by: BillyD at September 29, 2024 08:43 PM (Yt3ED)
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Blake, it’s a lot easier up here in NH to take traffic incidents in stride. In town, people compete to be the nicest drivers, actually giving pedestrians time to cross. And they wave back and smile!
Posted by: RI Red at September 29, 2024 08:43 PM (Q/KLI)
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Say good night.
Enjoy your newest acquisition Weasel. And thank you again for putting up with us reprobates on a weekly basis.
Have a good week everyone!!!
Enjoy your newest acquisition Weasel. And thank you again for putting up with us reprobates on a weekly basis.
Have a good week everyone!!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 29, 2024 08:44 PM (0XVad)
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won't find someone excited by almost anything you ask.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 08:41 PM (DDSgs)
FIFMe
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 08:41 PM (DDSgs)
FIFMe
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 08:44 PM (DDSgs)
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When people weave in and out of traffic and blare their horns and cut me off, I make every allowance and let them go by.
Sometimes I give a "peace" sign.
If I'm boxed in aggressively and someone beats on my hood and points a gun at me, it's a done deal. Otherwise. I don't care if they "win" the argument by being the asshole.
Sometimes I give a "peace" sign.
If I'm boxed in aggressively and someone beats on my hood and points a gun at me, it's a done deal. Otherwise. I don't care if they "win" the argument by being the asshole.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 08:45 PM (Br6tC)
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So here's a story of a road rage confrontation I had at the beach this summer. I'm behind a pickup on a beach frontage residential road going about 3 miles an hour. Dude in front acts like he's pulling over in front of a house under construction on the right, and starts motioning out the drivers window for me to go around. So I start to creep around and the guy goes bananas saying I'm going to kill a pedestrian because I'm in such a hurry. I roll down the window of my car and calmly tell the guy I thought he was motioning for me to pass and he goes double bananas. I think about shooting him in the face, decide not to, and we both drive away.
The End.
The End.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 08:45 PM (uGpeQ)
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And FWIW I also like Bullseye. I tried Titegroup when I couldn't get BE and it worked fine but for me, it seemed a little tetchier. That is, the difference between [ redacted ] and [ redacted ] + .2 was bigger than for BE.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 08:45 PM (/y8xj)
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won't find someone excited by almost anything you ask.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 08:41 PM (DDSgs)
Heh. There are some things even I won't ask.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 08:41 PM (DDSgs)
Heh. There are some things even I won't ask.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 29, 2024 08:46 PM (3rnQf)
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I have a couple pairs of the Axil Ghost Stryke Bluetooth earbuds
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 29, 2024 08:19 PM (v23vE)
Ooh! Added to my list.
And, of course, not worried about long, sustained fire. Just worried about having to shoot some zombies trying to box me in while in my car. I anticipate still having to say to the responding officer, "WHAT?! I CAN'T HEAR YOU! I'LL GIVE YOU A STATEMENT ONCE I CAN HEAR MY LAWYER!"
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 08:31 PM (DDSgs)
For what it's worth, I grabbed two pairs when they had a buy-one-get-one-free sale in November 2022, so keep your eyes open for the next couple of months.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 29, 2024 08:19 PM (v23vE)
Ooh! Added to my list.
And, of course, not worried about long, sustained fire. Just worried about having to shoot some zombies trying to box me in while in my car. I anticipate still having to say to the responding officer, "WHAT?! I CAN'T HEAR YOU! I'LL GIVE YOU A STATEMENT ONCE I CAN HEAR MY LAWYER!"
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 08:31 PM (DDSgs)
For what it's worth, I grabbed two pairs when they had a buy-one-get-one-free sale in November 2022, so keep your eyes open for the next couple of months.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 29, 2024 08:46 PM (v23vE)
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Never flip anybody off unless I want to piss them off.
A goofy Forest Gump wave and big smile would not piss them off.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
I stick my tongue out at them.
A goofy Forest Gump wave and big smile would not piss them off.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
I stick my tongue out at them.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 08:46 PM (Br6tC)
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Good evening gubthreaders and all the ships at sea. Sorry I am late. I was busy remodeling a kitchen and re-litigating the War Between the States/War of Northern Agression.
But mostly re-litigating.
But mostly re-litigating.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 29, 2024 08:47 PM (QfvaV)
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If I'm boxed in aggressively and someone beats on my hood and points a gun at me, it's a done deal. Otherwise. I don't care if they "win" the argument by being the asshole.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 08:45 PM (Br6tC)
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Didn't you have something like that happen at a drive through a couple of years ago?
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 08:45 PM (Br6tC)
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Didn't you have something like that happen at a drive through a couple of years ago?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 29, 2024 08:47 PM (tT6L1)
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I would shoot the (gorgeous!) Medalist, but only firing Standard Velocity Ammo, at the bullet weight suggested in the manual. Given the vintage, just about everything then was the "universal" 40gr. round.
Stuff like CCI Lightning.... other light & fast options. No. No way in hell would I risk that gun with those rounds.
Guarantee you the "timing" of all the internals of that gun, from the magazine spring to the ejector and mainspring, are NOT optimized for such ammo!
I wouldn't even run my favorites, CCI Mini-Mags.
Standard. Velocity. Or, softer, such as Ely Match, etc.
/BrowningEnvy!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Stuff like CCI Lightning.... other light & fast options. No. No way in hell would I risk that gun with those rounds.
Guarantee you the "timing" of all the internals of that gun, from the magazine spring to the ejector and mainspring, are NOT optimized for such ammo!
I wouldn't even run my favorites, CCI Mini-Mags.
Standard. Velocity. Or, softer, such as Ely Match, etc.
/BrowningEnvy!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 29, 2024 08:47 PM (kQgoX)
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I think about shooting him in the face, decide not to, and we both drive away.
The End.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 08:45 PM (uGpeQ)
I think about having James Bond Aston Martin machine gun headlights in my truck a lot on the freeway.
The End.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 08:45 PM (uGpeQ)
I think about having James Bond Aston Martin machine gun headlights in my truck a lot on the freeway.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:47 PM (57n01)
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186 think about slicing his face off, decide not to, and we both drive away.
The End.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 08:45 PM
Updated to account for your katana :-D
The End.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 08:45 PM
Updated to account for your katana :-D
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 29, 2024 08:47 PM (0XVad)
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I haven’t even flipped anybody off in traffic in at least three decades.
Well, there's an excellent chance you will never be Vice President!
Nurse is right about the "mellow" angle. I've heard any number of people say it, about themselves: once you're carrying, it changes your outlook, and usually for the better. In some ways you have less to fear, and then again, you are representing.
Well, there's an excellent chance you will never be Vice President!
Nurse is right about the "mellow" angle. I've heard any number of people say it, about themselves: once you're carrying, it changes your outlook, and usually for the better. In some ways you have less to fear, and then again, you are representing.
Posted by: Way,Way Downriver at September 29, 2024 08:48 PM (zdLoL)
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sra blaster has Axil 2.0 Bluetooth earbuds which she likes a lot. Don't tell her there is a super ninja ghost version or she will need some.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 29, 2024 08:48 PM (QfvaV)
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. I think about shooting him in the face, decide not to, and we both drive away.
The End.
Posted by: Weasel
Pretty much.
The End.
Posted by: Weasel
Pretty much.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 08:48 PM (Br6tC)
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193 I would shoot the (gorgeous!) Medalist, but only firing Standard Velocity Ammo, at the bullet weight suggested in the manual. Given the vintage, just about everything then was the "universal" 40gr. round.
Stuff like CCI Lightning.... other light & fast options. No. No way in hell would I risk that gun with those rounds.
Guarantee you the "timing" of all the internals of that gun, from the magazine spring to the ejector and mainspring, are NOT optimized for such ammo!
I wouldn't even run my favorites, CCI Mini-Mags.
Standard. Velocity. Or, softer, such as Ely Match, etc.
/BrowningEnvy!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 29, 2024 08:47 PM (kQgoX)
Excellent point
Stuff like CCI Lightning.... other light & fast options. No. No way in hell would I risk that gun with those rounds.
Guarantee you the "timing" of all the internals of that gun, from the magazine spring to the ejector and mainspring, are NOT optimized for such ammo!
I wouldn't even run my favorites, CCI Mini-Mags.
Standard. Velocity. Or, softer, such as Ely Match, etc.
/BrowningEnvy!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 29, 2024 08:47 PM (kQgoX)
Excellent point
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:48 PM (57n01)
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@weasel, good grief, you have to be about the most easy going person I've ever met. That's psycho.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 29, 2024 08:48 PM (tT6L1)
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Standard. Velocity. Or, softer, such as Ely Match, etc.
Good point. Many nice High Standards from that era have been borked by high velocity ammo.
Good point. Many nice High Standards from that era have been borked by high velocity ammo.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 08:49 PM (/y8xj)
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Having said all that, we actually had a road rage killing up here a couple of weeks back. Driver called 911 saying that a car was following and ramming him, then shots fired. Cops arrived, the first car was t-boned, first driver got out and plugged the rammer 5 times.
Turns out, they knew each other and not so much road rage. Girlfriends and drugs rage.
Turns out, they knew each other and not so much road rage. Girlfriends and drugs rage.
Posted by: RI Red at September 29, 2024 08:49 PM (Q/KLI)
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One thing on my planned (eventually) reloading activities: my first reloading will likely be rifle rounds (unless I find I can afford that .32 Tomcat with the tip-up barrel). I have one semi-exotic round (.50 Beowulf) that I will commit to, and given the pressure limitations on M1 Garand rounds, I will likely reload those, too. (Most of the sellers do not list whether their 30-06 rounds meet the pressure limit, though some do. Would think it's better to do it myself, in the long run.)
And, then, of course, there's the bigger ammo when I finally acquire an 8.6 or 6.5. If I drop some money on another "exotic" caliber, I'll want to reload that.
And, then, of course, there's the bigger ammo when I finally acquire an 8.6 or 6.5. If I drop some money on another "exotic" caliber, I'll want to reload that.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 08:49 PM (DDSgs)
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189/
S'puppy, do I understand you have an extra pair of Axil Ghost Styke Bluetooth earbuds?
My eyes are open for the next couple of months!
S'puppy, do I understand you have an extra pair of Axil Ghost Styke Bluetooth earbuds?
My eyes are open for the next couple of months!
Posted by: Grateful at September 29, 2024 08:50 PM (IQ6Gq)
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147 200 bucks in 1967 is about 1800 dollars today.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:23 PM (57n01)
...which is the price of that gun, in the box, at guns.com.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:23 PM (57n01)
...which is the price of that gun, in the box, at guns.com.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 29, 2024 08:50 PM (SJ0+K)
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Sometimes I give a "peace" sign.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 08:45 PM (Br6tC)
Make sure it's turned around properly to express the sentiment you desire. (Remembering that Churchill scene where the young woman explained he had it backwards and that meant almost the opposite.)
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 08:45 PM (Br6tC)
Make sure it's turned around properly to express the sentiment you desire. (Remembering that Churchill scene where the young woman explained he had it backwards and that meant almost the opposite.)
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 08:51 PM (DDSgs)
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I think about having James Bond Aston Martin machine gun headlights in my truck a lot on the freeway.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:47 PM (57n01)
I fantasize about having heat-seeking missiles in my engine compartment from time to time.
Driving through the debris would be a bitch, though.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:47 PM (57n01)
I fantasize about having heat-seeking missiles in my engine compartment from time to time.
Driving through the debris would be a bitch, though.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 29, 2024 08:51 PM (v23vE)
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200 bucks in 1967 is about 1800 dollars today.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:23 PM (57n01)
...which is the price of that gun, in the box, at guns.com.
Proving once again, that if you're rationalizing your guns as "investments" you're probably fooling yourself.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:23 PM (57n01)
...which is the price of that gun, in the box, at guns.com.
Proving once again, that if you're rationalizing your guns as "investments" you're probably fooling yourself.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 08:52 PM (/y8xj)
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Didn't you have something like that happen at a drive through a couple of years ago?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal
Yes. But no guns.
I made a three point turn, hit a couple of them standing in front of my car and drove off.
There was a pistol on my person.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal
Yes. But no guns.
I made a three point turn, hit a couple of them standing in front of my car and drove off.
There was a pistol on my person.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 08:52 PM (85Kyl)
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Evidently waving your arm out the window in the "come along" motion means "WARNING DO NOT PROCEED - ACTIVE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING" in North Carolina.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 08:52 PM (uGpeQ)
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"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of arguments. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun."
Posted by: Keanu Reeves at September 29, 2024 08:52 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Unique was always dirty for me, everyone else seems to like it. Probably doesn't matter, as it also seems to be unavailable.
Posted by: BillyD
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Alliant announced that due to existing ammo contracts, it would not be selling powder to reloaders for the foreseeable future. Alliant pretty much relies on a domestic powder mill for its powders and imported only a few particular lines.
So, Bullseye, Power Pistol, Unique, etc. are going to be disappearing from the shelves for a long while. Simply another reason that we should push for peace in Ukraine.
Unique was reformulated a few years ago that makes it less dirty that it was. Titegroup, itself, can be a dirty powder with light loads as you get incomplete powder burn.
Posted by: BillyD
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Alliant announced that due to existing ammo contracts, it would not be selling powder to reloaders for the foreseeable future. Alliant pretty much relies on a domestic powder mill for its powders and imported only a few particular lines.
So, Bullseye, Power Pistol, Unique, etc. are going to be disappearing from the shelves for a long while. Simply another reason that we should push for peace in Ukraine.
Unique was reformulated a few years ago that makes it less dirty that it was. Titegroup, itself, can be a dirty powder with light loads as you get incomplete powder burn.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2024 08:52 PM (SI97o)
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@ GWB, Sellier & Belliot makes M1 Garand ammo, as does Hornady. (M1 Garand Match Ammo, loaded with their 168 Grain ELD M bullet)
American Eagle also make M1 Garand specific ammo. All of the mentioned put on the box it's specific to the rifle.
American Eagle also make M1 Garand specific ammo. All of the mentioned put on the box it's specific to the rifle.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 29, 2024 08:52 PM (tT6L1)
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Mandatory evacuation just announced for.Buncombe county as Bee Tree dam may fail. Biltmore is the town downstream, I think.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 29, 2024 08:53 PM (MpVUb)
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I think about having James Bond Aston Martin machine gun headlights in my truck a lot on the freeway.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:47 PM (57n01)
I'd modify my Tacoma into a Technical, but then I'd have to find somebody to drive while I manned the Ma Deuce.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 08:47 PM (57n01)
I'd modify my Tacoma into a Technical, but then I'd have to find somebody to drive while I manned the Ma Deuce.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 29, 2024 08:53 PM (3rnQf)
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I'm glad the guy didn't shoot a passing car or that his girlfriend was shot . How many times did he acknowledge that the GF was a human shield. If you plan on getting into a gun fight you might think about leaving that human shield position for another one.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 29, 2024 08:54 PM (i514R)
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Although as soon as I hit Send on that comment, I thought of a lot of "investments" that I only wish had broken even with inflation.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 08:54 PM (/y8xj)
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Lil Pablo says, don't leave yo glock in yo crib
youtu.be/ubHj55UT_E0
youtu.be/ubHj55UT_E0
Posted by: gKWVE at September 29, 2024 08:55 PM (gKWVE)
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Never mind. They just reported they checked the dam again and said it's okay. Not sure if folks in that area can evacuate.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 29, 2024 08:55 PM (MpVUb)
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216 I'm glad the guy didn't shoot a passing car or that his girlfriend was shot . How many times did he acknowledge that the GF was a human shield. If you plan on getting into a gun fight you might think about leaving that human shield position for another one.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 29, 2024 08:54 PM (i514R)
...and now we know why she is an ex-girlfriend.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 29, 2024 08:54 PM (i514R)
...and now we know why she is an ex-girlfriend.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at September 29, 2024 08:56 PM (SJ0+K)
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Sometimes I give a "peace" sign.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 08:45 PM
The 'reverse' (knuckles toward recipient) peace sign is Britain and Europe's equivalent of flipping the bird.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 08:45 PM
The 'reverse' (knuckles toward recipient) peace sign is Britain and Europe's equivalent of flipping the bird.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 29, 2024 08:56 PM (a3Q+t)
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I always give the I'm sorry, my fault signal when I do something stupid,
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 29, 2024 08:57 PM (i514R)
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Asheville: Esther Neonatal Kitten Alliance is asking for donations.
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Posted by: Ciampino - got totally cut-off at September 29, 2024 08:57 PM (qfLjt)
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OB, I look at guns as an investment in MY future!
Posted by: RI Red at September 29, 2024 08:57 PM (Q/KLI)
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203 One thing on my planned (eventually) reloading activities: my first reloading will likely be rifle rounds.
Posted by: GWB
I personally would reverse that order. Reloading handgun cartridges successfully gives practice and confidence for reloading rifle cartridges which are a bit more finicky with some additional details that pertain to bottleneck cartridges. Reloading for autoreloaders like the Garand have a few more caveats as you have to balance accuracy with reliability and safety . Lever actions have some restrictions on types of bullets if they have a tube magazine, and so on.
Pretty much all reloaders have or will get a 38 Special revolver simply because reloading it (or a 45 ACP for that matter) is a piece of cake compared to more finicky cartridges. 45 ACP is not that much more difficult. 9mm and 40 S&W are a step above in difficulty due to pressure, the taper in the 9mm case, and bullet setback which can spike pressures in a hurry.
Posted by: GWB
I personally would reverse that order. Reloading handgun cartridges successfully gives practice and confidence for reloading rifle cartridges which are a bit more finicky with some additional details that pertain to bottleneck cartridges. Reloading for autoreloaders like the Garand have a few more caveats as you have to balance accuracy with reliability and safety . Lever actions have some restrictions on types of bullets if they have a tube magazine, and so on.
Pretty much all reloaders have or will get a 38 Special revolver simply because reloading it (or a 45 ACP for that matter) is a piece of cake compared to more finicky cartridges. 45 ACP is not that much more difficult. 9mm and 40 S&W are a step above in difficulty due to pressure, the taper in the 9mm case, and bullet setback which can spike pressures in a hurry.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2024 08:58 PM (SI97o)
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213 @ GWB, Sellier & Belliot makes M1 Garand ammo, as does Hornady. (M1 Garand Match Ammo, loaded with their 168 Grain ELD M bullet)
American Eagle also make M1 Garand specific ammo. All of the mentioned put on the box it's specific to the rifle.
Posted by: blake
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Prvi Partisan does too. All pretty much are 150 gr.
American Eagle also make M1 Garand specific ammo. All of the mentioned put on the box it's specific to the rifle.
Posted by: blake
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Prvi Partisan does too. All pretty much are 150 gr.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2024 08:59 PM (SI97o)
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American Eagle also make M1 Garand specific ammo. All of the mentioned put on the box it's specific to the rifle.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 29, 2024 08:52 PM (tT6L1)
Yep, they're the first ones I bought for that very reason. But they appear to be scarce at my online sources, and I don't think I've ever seen them at my FLGS. I might have to travel to the other side of the water to check out Bass Pro. Hence, the reloading.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 29, 2024 08:52 PM (tT6L1)
Yep, they're the first ones I bought for that very reason. But they appear to be scarce at my online sources, and I don't think I've ever seen them at my FLGS. I might have to travel to the other side of the water to check out Bass Pro. Hence, the reloading.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 08:59 PM (DDSgs)
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:00 PM (uGpeQ)
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I have way more guns than I need and not enough of what I want.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 29, 2024 09:00 PM (i514R)
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I would only use target ammo in that pristine browning.
Posted by: Rancherbob at September 29, 2024 09:00 PM (21WHr)
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A great book when starting your reloading journey is The ABC's of Reloading, 10th Edition.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 29, 2024 09:01 PM (a3Q+t)
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120 Posted by: Grateful at September 29, 2024 08:02 PM (IQ6Gq)
It'll be interesting to see how truck traffic detours around that cut. I-40 is a major east-west route for truck traffic. If East Coast dockworkers go on strike, that might actually ease some of the truck traffic that would have to find a detour.
Posted by: Ed L at September 29, 2024 08:12 PM
When I used to drive back to Minneapolis from NC, I’d swing north at Winston-Salem past Pilot Mountain to I-74, then I-77 to I-64 into Charleston WV. Detour traffic could take I-81 South before hitting 64, assuming there’s no damage there. It’s going to be a long haul for a while.
It'll be interesting to see how truck traffic detours around that cut. I-40 is a major east-west route for truck traffic. If East Coast dockworkers go on strike, that might actually ease some of the truck traffic that would have to find a detour.
Posted by: Ed L at September 29, 2024 08:12 PM
When I used to drive back to Minneapolis from NC, I’d swing north at Winston-Salem past Pilot Mountain to I-74, then I-77 to I-64 into Charleston WV. Detour traffic could take I-81 South before hitting 64, assuming there’s no damage there. It’s going to be a long haul for a while.
Posted by: Moonbeam at September 29, 2024 09:02 PM (rbKZ6)
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The ABC's of Reloading, 10th Edition.
The Arabic translation mentions "pay attention to that supply-chain"
The Arabic translation mentions "pay attention to that supply-chain"
Posted by: gKWVE at September 29, 2024 09:03 PM (gKWVE)
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.41 Magnum is a good cartridge for reloading, shooting, and just general enjoyment.
But then, y'all already knew that.
But then, y'all already knew that.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 29, 2024 09:03 PM (a3Q+t)
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Punching out. Early road trip in the AM. Thanks everyone, for the advice and answers, and thanks as always to Weasel for hosting.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 29, 2024 09:03 PM (3rnQf)
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I'd modify my Tacoma into a Technical, but then I'd have to find somebody to drive while I manned the Ma Deuce.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 29, 2024 08:53 PM (3rnQf)
The Ukrainians modified Toyota Hiluxes (or some other Toyota model) to do AAA anti-drone duty by putting a mount for twin M134 Miniguns in the cargo bed. You'd have to have a 5-ton truck following it around w/ extra ammo, though. Those Miniguns will guzzle ammo.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 29, 2024 08:53 PM (3rnQf)
The Ukrainians modified Toyota Hiluxes (or some other Toyota model) to do AAA anti-drone duty by putting a mount for twin M134 Miniguns in the cargo bed. You'd have to have a 5-ton truck following it around w/ extra ammo, though. Those Miniguns will guzzle ammo.
Posted by: Ed L at September 29, 2024 09:03 PM (yRXSd)
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For anyone curious about building Glocks from stripped frames, my experience is to buy OEM Glock frames to build on now that Polymer 80 is going out of business.
I'm finding the hard way that SCT and Lone Wolf simply are not up to snuff.
I'm finding the hard way that SCT and Lone Wolf simply are not up to snuff.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at September 29, 2024 09:03 PM (elaR+)
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Question -
In general, as scope magnification increases, does both nominal eye relief and the distance between min and max acceptable eye relief decrease?
In general, as scope magnification increases, does both nominal eye relief and the distance between min and max acceptable eye relief decrease?
Posted by: Gref at September 29, 2024 09:03 PM (aBgBM)
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187 And FWIW I also like Bullseye. I tried Titegroup when I couldn't get BE and it worked fine but for me, it seemed a little tetchier. That is, the difference between [ redacted ] and [ redacted ] + .2 was bigger than for BE.
Posted by: Oddbob
Titegroup IS a bit tetchier. It has generated unexpected pressure spikes under certain circumstances in some higher pressure handgun cartridges. Part of it is that Titegroup is position insensitive but it also burns hot. Can't remember whether it is double based or not but it does burn hotter than something like W231. To avoid it shooting dirty, you need mid pressure loads at a minimum.
It does, however, actually do a nice mid range load for the 357 Magnum. Not hunting velocity with big bullets like H110 or 2400, but a good 1300-1400 fps self defense practice load with 125 gr hollowpoints.
Posted by: Oddbob
Titegroup IS a bit tetchier. It has generated unexpected pressure spikes under certain circumstances in some higher pressure handgun cartridges. Part of it is that Titegroup is position insensitive but it also burns hot. Can't remember whether it is double based or not but it does burn hotter than something like W231. To avoid it shooting dirty, you need mid pressure loads at a minimum.
It does, however, actually do a nice mid range load for the 357 Magnum. Not hunting velocity with big bullets like H110 or 2400, but a good 1300-1400 fps self defense practice load with 125 gr hollowpoints.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2024 09:04 PM (SI97o)
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Posted by: whig at September 29, 2024 08:58 PM (SI97o)
Excellent points. I will consider that.
(BTW, any powders that give off an even bigger flame? I might want to reload for my derringer with something that will scare even more people at the range or in a nasty encounter.) (For those of you who have been there when I fired that, you'll know what I mean.)
As to the Garand ammo - yes, I found some in those particular brands. I bought the American Eagle because it specifically said "Yep, this is what you want in your M-1." And all of them were gone again within a week after ordering that. There must have been a surge of CMP deliveries.
Excellent points. I will consider that.
(BTW, any powders that give off an even bigger flame? I might want to reload for my derringer with something that will scare even more people at the range or in a nasty encounter.) (For those of you who have been there when I fired that, you'll know what I mean.)
As to the Garand ammo - yes, I found some in those particular brands. I bought the American Eagle because it specifically said "Yep, this is what you want in your M-1." And all of them were gone again within a week after ordering that. There must have been a surge of CMP deliveries.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 09:05 PM (DDSgs)
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Kris Kristopherson was a dickhead.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 29, 2024 09:05 PM (CHHv1)
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I remember the first, and only, rifle cartridge I reloaded: Savage 250-3000. (Grampa's Savage Model 99) Anyway, it went bang, I got a slot at the other end on the target. I didn't realize at the time the twist rate in the rifle wouldn't stabilize a 120 grain bullet. Shortly after, marriage blew up and reloading went out the window due to child support payments.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 29, 2024 09:05 PM (tT6L1)
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Posted by: Rancherbob at September 29, 2024 09:00 PM (21WHr)
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Howdy RB!! I have a bunch of Federal subsonic match ammo I'm planning to use, and probably not a whole lot of that!
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Howdy RB!! I have a bunch of Federal subsonic match ammo I'm planning to use, and probably not a whole lot of that!
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:06 PM (uGpeQ)
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We're on-track to keep Weasel out of yet another Zoom call with Ace, but don't slack off now.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 29, 2024 09:07 PM (a3Q+t)
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Posted by: Gref at September 29, 2024 09:03 PM (aBgBM)
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Eye relief shouldn't change but FOV will.
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Eye relief shouldn't change but FOV will.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:08 PM (uGpeQ)
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I wonder if Weasel would do a gun thread on building your first AR?
I mean if legalities allowed.
I mean if legalities allowed.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at September 29, 2024 09:09 PM (elaR+)
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Speaking of slacking,it's time for me to wander. Have a good one. folks!
Next week is the 1,000 yard MOA and 500 yard KYL match. Hopefully, since I've removed the wobble, I'll get decent results.
Later!
Next week is the 1,000 yard MOA and 500 yard KYL match. Hopefully, since I've removed the wobble, I'll get decent results.
Later!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 29, 2024 09:09 PM (tT6L1)
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I am woefully unburdened by gun activity this past week. Maybe this week there is gun stuff to be.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 29, 2024 09:10 PM (QfvaV)
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You know.
If you haven't already thought through various scenarios where you are confronted with a potentially explosive situation, you shouldn't be carrying a firearm.
If you haven't already thought through various scenarios where you are confronted with a potentially explosive situation, you shouldn't be carrying a firearm.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 09:10 PM (v4srF)
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Oh GWB and Van Owens,
Invest in a cheap electronic scale with a check weight included. The Lee Powder Scale aka Safety Scale operates differently than the balance beam scales in chem labs everywhere (Ohaus and its copies). Richard Lee purposefully designed it because if you get sloppy with the regular balance beam scales, it is possible to transpose which number is on which sliding scale. Lee makes it very difficult to do that with his scale but at the cost of making it operate in a weird matter. Good news is that it is very sensitive and can take a greater banging around (not recommended) than some of those tri measure Ohaus type scales.
But it is slow and an electronic scale is a cheap way to crosscheck on occasion whatever load you are measuring. Get the reloading specific cheapo electronic scales from Frankford Arsenal or Hornady, etc. as they will have avoirdupois (grains, etc. ) measurement built in.
Invest in a cheap electronic scale with a check weight included. The Lee Powder Scale aka Safety Scale operates differently than the balance beam scales in chem labs everywhere (Ohaus and its copies). Richard Lee purposefully designed it because if you get sloppy with the regular balance beam scales, it is possible to transpose which number is on which sliding scale. Lee makes it very difficult to do that with his scale but at the cost of making it operate in a weird matter. Good news is that it is very sensitive and can take a greater banging around (not recommended) than some of those tri measure Ohaus type scales.
But it is slow and an electronic scale is a cheap way to crosscheck on occasion whatever load you are measuring. Get the reloading specific cheapo electronic scales from Frankford Arsenal or Hornady, etc. as they will have avoirdupois (grains, etc. ) measurement built in.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2024 09:10 PM (SI97o)
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221 Sometimes I give a "peace" sign.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 08:45 PM
The 'reverse' (knuckles toward recipient) peace sign is Britain and Europe's equivalent of flipping the bird.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 29, 2024 08:56 PM (a3Q+t)
funny thing.. the Two Finger Peace sigh? Was V for Victory in WW2.
Yeah... somehow it morphed from kill all the bad guys, to 'peace'.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 08:45 PM
The 'reverse' (knuckles toward recipient) peace sign is Britain and Europe's equivalent of flipping the bird.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 29, 2024 08:56 PM (a3Q+t)
funny thing.. the Two Finger Peace sigh? Was V for Victory in WW2.
Yeah... somehow it morphed from kill all the bad guys, to 'peace'.
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 29, 2024 09:10 PM (QAkQ3)
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(BTW, any powders that give off an even bigger flame?
I'm pretty sure there are but I don't know what they are. There are "novelty" loads like the Dragon's Breath shotgun rounds that are intended to create a lot of flash and smoke. Because apparently that's some people's idea of a good time. Degustibus est...
I'm pretty sure there are but I don't know what they are. There are "novelty" loads like the Dragon's Breath shotgun rounds that are intended to create a lot of flash and smoke. Because apparently that's some people's idea of a good time. Degustibus est...
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 09:11 PM (/y8xj)
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244 We're on-track to keep Weasel out of yet another Zoom call with Ace, but don't slack off now.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 29, 2024 09:07 PM (a3Q+t
Maybe Ace is dyslexic.
244 We're on-track to keep Weasel out of yet another Zoom call with Ace, but don't slack off now.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 29, 2024 09:07 PM (a3Q+t
Maybe Ace is dyslexic.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 09:11 PM (57n01)
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Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at September 29, 2024 09:09 PM (elaR+)
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We have talked about that a lot over the years. There is already an excellent series of videos on the Brownells site and I would highly recommend that.
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We have talked about that a lot over the years. There is already an excellent series of videos on the Brownells site and I would highly recommend that.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:11 PM (uGpeQ)
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Topic 1: Weasel's new Medalist is like a Duesenberg or Cord of .22LR target pistols.
Topic 2: I was at the range today mostly shooting a .223 AR pistol with both a .22LR adapter and then .223 suppressed with my newish Silencerco Omega 300 via a Breek-Lok HUB adapter. It still sounded pretty loud to me, but I did have to turn up the sensitivity on my shot timer quite a bit. That seems weird, but I did not expect peak performance from a .300 silencer shooting .223.
Topic 3: I bought a bipod that will mate to the M-LOK handguard on my AR-pattern carbine. Where should it go? As far forward as possible?
Topic 2: I was at the range today mostly shooting a .223 AR pistol with both a .22LR adapter and then .223 suppressed with my newish Silencerco Omega 300 via a Breek-Lok HUB adapter. It still sounded pretty loud to me, but I did have to turn up the sensitivity on my shot timer quite a bit. That seems weird, but I did not expect peak performance from a .300 silencer shooting .223.
Topic 3: I bought a bipod that will mate to the M-LOK handguard on my AR-pattern carbine. Where should it go? As far forward as possible?
Posted by: IronDave at September 29, 2024 09:12 PM (k3crU)
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Yeah... somehow it morphed from kill all the bad guys, to 'peace'.
That's kind of how it's supposed to work, as most of the West has forgotten and Israel is relearning.
That's kind of how it's supposed to work, as most of the West has forgotten and Israel is relearning.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 09:12 PM (/y8xj)
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Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at September 29, 2024 09:09 PM (elaR+)
Wouldn't a lot depend on what you wanted your AR to do? There's a lot of difference between what you'd choose for a PDW in .300 Blackout vs. a DMR vs. a retro clone of an XM-16E1 or XM-177E2.
Wouldn't a lot depend on what you wanted your AR to do? There's a lot of difference between what you'd choose for a PDW in .300 Blackout vs. a DMR vs. a retro clone of an XM-16E1 or XM-177E2.
Posted by: Ed L at September 29, 2024 09:13 PM (yRXSd)
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My take. Do you think you might sell the Medalist someday ? Don’t shoot ,make it more valuable. I would never sell it cause itts so cool and the way you got it Shoot it. Few times. .
Posted by: Biggest Alfredo at September 29, 2024 09:13 PM (8cPKb)
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246 I wonder if Weasel would do a gun thread on building your first AR?
I mean if legalities allowed.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at September 29, 2024 09:09 PM (elaR+)
Purchase complete lower from PSA (or Bear Creek - I'm not prejudiced). Purchase complete upper from same.
Align and push the pins.
Ta-daa! Ar 15!
I mean if legalities allowed.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at September 29, 2024 09:09 PM (elaR+)
Purchase complete lower from PSA (or Bear Creek - I'm not prejudiced). Purchase complete upper from same.
Align and push the pins.
Ta-daa! Ar 15!
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 29, 2024 09:14 PM (QfvaV)
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& g'night everyone!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at September 29, 2024 09:14 PM (UWgy2)
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In general, as scope magnification increases, does both nominal eye relief and the distance between min and max acceptable eye relief decrease?
Definite yes on the first and a "seems that way to me" on the second.
Definite yes on the first and a "seems that way to me" on the second.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 09:16 PM (/y8xj)
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Eye relief shouldn't change but FOV will.
That's not how it works for me but then my eyes have been FUBARed since grade school so maybe I'm not the right one to say.
That's not how it works for me but then my eyes have been FUBARed since grade school so maybe I'm not the right one to say.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 09:18 PM (/y8xj)
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Hey Some Rat - I do a little (way too little) cowboy shooting. You can buy Cowboy loads from several manufacturers or load your own. 1000 psi seems very low for a pressure - was it supposed to be 1000 feet per second (fps)? Most of the commercial cowboy loads are 255 gr lead at around 850 feet per second from a replica of a Colt single action or modern replica with a 6” barrel, and most of the folks loading their own go a bit lower yet. That’ll probably be about 1000 fps out of the rifle. Much faster and it’ll get a lot of lead fouling. Hornady and Black Hills both make nice commercial loads.
Congrats on your rifle! That’s a great story.
Congrats on your rifle! That’s a great story.
Posted by: Coelacanth at September 29, 2024 09:18 PM (hNXse)
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Wouldn't a lot depend on what you wanted your AR to do? There's a lot of difference between what you'd choose for a PDW in .300 Blackout vs. a DMR vs. a retro clone of an XM-16E1 or XM-177E2.
Posted by: Ed L
You aren't wrong.
Home defense.
F-Class
Hunting
TEOTWAWKI
General purpose
Wouldn't a lot depend on what you wanted your AR to do? There's a lot of difference between what you'd choose for a PDW in .300 Blackout vs. a DMR vs. a retro clone of an XM-16E1 or XM-177E2.
Posted by: Ed L
You aren't wrong.
Home defense.
F-Class
Hunting
TEOTWAWKI
General purpose
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at September 29, 2024 09:19 PM (elaR+)
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I avoided The Nation's Gun Show this weekend because I have too many guns.
Wait, that can't be right.
I have too many guns for our current storage situation. I want to get a safe. But we have allotted maxuimum 2 years in our current abode so I don't want to get a giant one now that we will have to move. I am thinking a used one that can either convey or be re-sold when the time comes.
Marketplace seems like a terrible place to buy gun safes. People ask the price they are new, or they are "perfectl fine except for the time it fell off the truck on the highway." And then you look at big box versions and they look like maybe they are steel cabinets with some hardibacker inside. Gah.
Wait, that can't be right.
I have too many guns for our current storage situation. I want to get a safe. But we have allotted maxuimum 2 years in our current abode so I don't want to get a giant one now that we will have to move. I am thinking a used one that can either convey or be re-sold when the time comes.
Marketplace seems like a terrible place to buy gun safes. People ask the price they are new, or they are "perfectl fine except for the time it fell off the truck on the highway." And then you look at big box versions and they look like maybe they are steel cabinets with some hardibacker inside. Gah.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 29, 2024 09:20 PM (QfvaV)
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Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 09:18 PM (/y8xj)
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I honestly never paid a lot of attention or noticed it! There might be some teensy amount of change but it's not by inches or anything. It seemed Mike the eye relief on my guns was about the same. Good question!
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I honestly never paid a lot of attention or noticed it! There might be some teensy amount of change but it's not by inches or anything. It seemed Mike the eye relief on my guns was about the same. Good question!
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:20 PM (uGpeQ)
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Or you could just enjoy an AR because it's a really fun rifle platform that anyone can be comfortable with.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 09:21 PM (Be7NC)
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Purchase complete lower from PSA (or Bear Creek - I'm not prejudiced). Purchase complete upper from same.
Align and push the pins.
Ta-daa! Ar 15!
Posted by: blaster
Can confirm this approach works just fine!
Align and push the pins.
Ta-daa! Ar 15!
Posted by: blaster
Can confirm this approach works just fine!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at September 29, 2024 09:21 PM (hOUT3)
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Mile = like
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:22 PM (uGpeQ)
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Damnit!
MIKE = like.
MIKE = like.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:24 PM (uGpeQ)
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Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 29, 2024 09:20 PM (QfvaV)
Steve's Services (Ft. Knox dealer) had a couple of used examples on offer at the show. He will buy used safes, but you'll have to talk to him directly about what you have. He'll definitely buy back stuff you bought from him.
Steve's Services (Ft. Knox dealer) had a couple of used examples on offer at the show. He will buy used safes, but you'll have to talk to him directly about what you have. He'll definitely buy back stuff you bought from him.
Posted by: Ed L at September 29, 2024 09:24 PM (yRXSd)
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Purchase complete lower from PSA (or Bear Creek - I'm not prejudiced). Purchase complete upper from same.
Align and push the pins.
Ta-daa! Ar 15!
Posted by: blaster
I might skip BCA.Their QC is too uneven.
While I like PSA, I like to build my own.
It allows me to buy higher end parts, but save money.
Align and push the pins.
Ta-daa! Ar 15!
Posted by: blaster
I might skip BCA.Their QC is too uneven.
While I like PSA, I like to build my own.
It allows me to buy higher end parts, but save money.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at September 29, 2024 09:24 PM (elaR+)
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269 Mile = like
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:22 PM (uGpeQ)
270 Damnit!
MIKE = like.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:24 PM (uGpeQ
Are you having a seizure?
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:22 PM (uGpeQ)
270 Damnit!
MIKE = like.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:24 PM (uGpeQ
Are you having a seizure?
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 29, 2024 09:24 PM (57n01)
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Marketplace seems like a terrible place to buy gun safes.
I have a friend who is in the market and is discovering that very thing. Glad I bought mine when I did.
I have a friend who is in the market and is discovering that very thing. Glad I bought mine when I did.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 29, 2024 09:24 PM (mH6SG)
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:25 PM (uGpeQ)
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Jeepers, the Bills need to wake up.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 09:25 PM (tslp2)
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Wasn't there a brand of candy called "Mike and Ike"?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 29, 2024 09:25 PM (yLiuJ)
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Eye relief is determined by the dimensions of the scope. Most standard dimension scopes have 3-4 inches of eye relief
Posted by: ck at September 29, 2024 09:26 PM (nMOLw)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 29, 2024 09:26 PM (mH6SG)
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Mike Mike Mike Mike Mike
Posted by: Finding Nemo at September 29, 2024 09:26 PM (57n01)
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Thanks for hosting, Weasel!
Posted by: Ed L at September 29, 2024 09:27 PM (yRXSd)
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Thx, Weasel. As I was driving I was looking forward to getting home and getting on theGT!
Posted by: RI Red at September 29, 2024 09:27 PM (Q/KLI)
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:27 PM (uGpeQ)
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So, what, legally, constitutes a guns safe, for those who might need a "legal" gun safe? Would a steel gym locker with good locks on it suffice?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 29, 2024 09:27 PM (yLiuJ)
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Wasn't there a brand of candy called "Mike and Ike"?
IIRC, that was some pretty horrible shit. YMMV.
IIRC, that was some pretty horrible shit. YMMV.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 29, 2024 09:28 PM (mH6SG)
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237 For anyone curious about building Glocks from stripped frames, my experience is to buy OEM Glock frames to build on now that Polymer 80 is going out of business.
I'm finding the hard way that SCT and Lone Wolf simply are not up to snuff.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at September 29, 2024 09:03 PM (elaR+)
I'm ignorant of Glock building. Why buy an OEM Glock frame and build your own instead of just buying a Glock?
I'm finding the hard way that SCT and Lone Wolf simply are not up to snuff.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at September 29, 2024 09:03 PM (elaR+)
I'm ignorant of Glock building. Why buy an OEM Glock frame and build your own instead of just buying a Glock?
Posted by: BillyD at September 29, 2024 09:28 PM (Yt3ED)
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261 In general, as scope magnification increases, does both nominal eye relief and the distance between min and max acceptable eye relief decrease?
Definite yes on the first and a "seems that way to me" on the second.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 09:16 PM (/y8xj)
Thanks. I should have provided an example of what I'm asking.
Will a 20X scope (fixed or max zoom magnification) have a shorter eye relief than a 12X (fixed/max magnif.)? Will the range of eye relief tolerance typically be smaller for the 20X than the 12X above? IOW say the 12X above has an eye relief range from 2.8 to 3.2 inches (0.4 inches). Will the 20X have a tolerance of eye relief less than less than 0.4 inches?
As Weasel has seen from my shooting at MoMe's I have a lot of trouble getting the proper eye relief on my 5.5 to 22.5X scope in-action, even though I believe I set it up well before going to the range. I'm either a dunce at setting-up the eye relief to begin with or need to mucho practice getting my head position constant on the rifle.
Definite yes on the first and a "seems that way to me" on the second.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 09:16 PM (/y8xj)
Thanks. I should have provided an example of what I'm asking.
Will a 20X scope (fixed or max zoom magnification) have a shorter eye relief than a 12X (fixed/max magnif.)? Will the range of eye relief tolerance typically be smaller for the 20X than the 12X above? IOW say the 12X above has an eye relief range from 2.8 to 3.2 inches (0.4 inches). Will the 20X have a tolerance of eye relief less than less than 0.4 inches?
As Weasel has seen from my shooting at MoMe's I have a lot of trouble getting the proper eye relief on my 5.5 to 22.5X scope in-action, even though I believe I set it up well before going to the range. I'm either a dunce at setting-up the eye relief to begin with or need to mucho practice getting my head position constant on the rifle.
Posted by: Gref at September 29, 2024 09:29 PM (aBgBM)
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Tonight was a lot of fun. Thanks guys and gals!
I sure hope a bunch of you are planning to get your asses to Texas. Good times!
I sure hope a bunch of you are planning to get your asses to Texas. Good times!
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:30 PM (uGpeQ)
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Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:06 PM (uGpeQ)
Perfect!
We are starting to prepare for the MOME!
After all, the HORDE is coming!
Perfect!
We are starting to prepare for the MOME!
After all, the HORDE is coming!
Posted by: Rancherbob at September 29, 2024 09:30 PM (21WHr)
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And then you look at big box versions and they look like maybe they are steel cabinets with some hardibacker inside.
Yeah, pretty much. I bought a cheap "Winchester" branded gun safe from Tractor Supply. It's not nearly as robust as the "Winchester" branded safe I bought from Sam's Club 15 years ago which was made by Ft. Worth Safes. The electronic lock failed in less than 6 months and I replaced it with a Sargent & Greenleaf. But the main point is that it was cheap. If I had to have a Liberty or Fort Knox one, I still wouldn't have it.
Yeah, pretty much. I bought a cheap "Winchester" branded gun safe from Tractor Supply. It's not nearly as robust as the "Winchester" branded safe I bought from Sam's Club 15 years ago which was made by Ft. Worth Safes. The electronic lock failed in less than 6 months and I replaced it with a Sargent & Greenleaf. But the main point is that it was cheap. If I had to have a Liberty or Fort Knox one, I still wouldn't have it.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 09:31 PM (/y8xj)
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Thanks for hosting another great Gun Thread, Weasel.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 29, 2024 09:31 PM (Wnv9h)
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Thanks, Weasel. Hope you have a great week.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 29, 2024 09:31 PM (mH6SG)
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Jeepers, RancherBob
Have you cleared with management?
Have you cleared with management?
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 09:32 PM (Br6tC)
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Posted by: BillyD at September 29, 2024 09:28 PM (Yt3ED)
Customization. If you really want a hot pink frame and a teal slide on your Glock, you're not going to see that coming from the factory.
Customization. If you really want a hot pink frame and a teal slide on your Glock, you're not going to see that coming from the factory.
Posted by: Ed L at September 29, 2024 09:32 PM (yRXSd)
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289 Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:06 PM (uGpeQ)
Perfect!
We are starting to prepare for the MOME!
After all, the HORDE is coming!
Posted by: Rancherbob at September 29, 2024 09:30 PM (21WHr)
RancherBob, we owe you and CowHorseQueen a considerable amount of gratitude for hosting us at your place, and to Ben Had for -- well, just being awesome.
Perfect!
We are starting to prepare for the MOME!
After all, the HORDE is coming!
Posted by: Rancherbob at September 29, 2024 09:30 PM (21WHr)
RancherBob, we owe you and CowHorseQueen a considerable amount of gratitude for hosting us at your place, and to Ben Had for -- well, just being awesome.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 29, 2024 09:33 PM (v23vE)
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:33 PM (uGpeQ)
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Excellent points. I will consider that.
(BTW, any powders that give off an even bigger flame? I might want to reload for my derringer with something that will scare even more people at the range or in a nasty encounter.) (For those of you who have been there when I fired that, you'll know what I mean.)
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Unique can give a nice orange fireblast as it has no blast retardant.
(BTW, any powders that give off an even bigger flame? I might want to reload for my derringer with something that will scare even more people at the range or in a nasty encounter.) (For those of you who have been there when I fired that, you'll know what I mean.)
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Unique can give a nice orange fireblast as it has no blast retardant.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2024 09:33 PM (SI97o)
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Customization. If you really want a hot pink frame and a teal slide on your Glock, you're not going to see that coming from the factory.
Posted by: Ed L at September 29, 2024 09:32 PM (yRXSd)
Although, if they did make that, you could see it coming from a mile away.
Posted by: Ed L at September 29, 2024 09:32 PM (yRXSd)
Although, if they did make that, you could see it coming from a mile away.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 29, 2024 09:34 PM (yLiuJ)
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AOP ... the locker itself, maybe ... weld a big hasp onto it & probably ok.'the existing "lock" is inadequate to a determined attack
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at September 29, 2024 09:34 PM (UWgy2)
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RancherBob, we owe you and CowHorseQueen a considerable amount of gratitude for hosting us at your place, and to Ben Had for -- well, just being awesome.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 29, 2024 09:33 PM (v23vE)
Wholeheartedly endorsed!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 29, 2024 09:33 PM (v23vE)
Wholeheartedly endorsed!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 29, 2024 09:35 PM (yLiuJ)
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If you really want a hot pink frame and a teal slide on your Glock
What could possibly go wrong? Heh.
What could possibly go wrong? Heh.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 29, 2024 09:35 PM (mH6SG)
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Whatever storage solution you decide upon, be sure to store all of your cutting tools next to it in the basement like I do.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:36 PM (uGpeQ)
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284 So, what, legally, constitutes a guns safe, for those who might need a "legal" gun safe? Would a steel gym locker with good locks on it suffice?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Usually RSC classification from UL qualifies. Residential Storage Container or some such.
Something that qualifies for California AG usually works in other jurisdictions.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Usually RSC classification from UL qualifies. Residential Storage Container or some such.
Something that qualifies for California AG usually works in other jurisdictions.
Posted by: whig at September 29, 2024 09:36 PM (SI97o)
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Thank you all very much.
Posted by: Rancherbob at September 29, 2024 09:37 PM (21WHr)
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AOP ... the locker itself, maybe ... weld a big hasp onto it & probably ok.'the existing "lock" is inadequate to a determined attack
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at September 29, 2024 09:34 PM (UWgy2)
I would weld on two hasps, and have a bar with pins to lock the hasps, itself secured with a high-grade padlock.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at September 29, 2024 09:34 PM (UWgy2)
I would weld on two hasps, and have a bar with pins to lock the hasps, itself secured with a high-grade padlock.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 29, 2024 09:37 PM (yLiuJ)
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As your magnification increases your eye box gets smaller. If you're shooting a 35 power scope you have to be in exactly the right place, where with a 10 power scope it's easier to find your perfect spot behind the scope. But your eye relief stays close to the same.
Posted by: ck at September 29, 2024 09:37 PM (nMOLw)
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300 RancherBob, we owe you and CowHorseQueen a considerable amount of gratitude for hosting us at your place, and to Ben Had for -- well, just being awesome.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 29, 2024 09:33 PM (v23vE)
Wholeheartedly endorsed!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 29, 2024 09:35 PM (yLiuJ)
^^Just got here but this X infinity!!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 29, 2024 09:33 PM (v23vE)
Wholeheartedly endorsed!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 29, 2024 09:35 PM (yLiuJ)
^^Just got here but this X infinity!!
Posted by: Iris at September 29, 2024 09:37 PM (n3DL0)
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294 Posted by: BillyD at September 29, 2024 09:28 PM (Yt3ED)
Customization. If you really want a hot pink frame and a teal slide on your Glock, you're not going to see that coming from the factory.
Posted by: Ed L at September 29, 2024 09:32 PM (yRXSd)
Got it, that makes sense.
I mean your explanation makes sense. The hot pink frame makes no sense at all.
Customization. If you really want a hot pink frame and a teal slide on your Glock, you're not going to see that coming from the factory.
Posted by: Ed L at September 29, 2024 09:32 PM (yRXSd)
Got it, that makes sense.
I mean your explanation makes sense. The hot pink frame makes no sense at all.
Posted by: BillyD at September 29, 2024 09:38 PM (Yt3ED)
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Keep in mind if you get a safe , that you reduce the stated capacity by at least 3.
If you need a ten gun safe you need to buy a 15 gun safe.
If you need a ten gun safe you need to buy a 15 gun safe.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 29, 2024 09:39 PM (BsPPV)
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Having been the victim of a smash-and-grab home burglary (not coincidentally about 15 years ago) I am of the opinion that the job of a home gun safe is to thwart the bottom 99% of thieves. Nothing less than a bank vault will stop a committed professional but fortunately there are few of those and they have better targets than me.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 09:39 PM (/y8xj)
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For anyone curious about building Glocks from stripped frames, my experience is to buy OEM Glock frames to build on now that Polymer 80 is going out of business.
I'm finding the hard way that SCT and Lone Wolf simply are not up to snuff.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at September 29, 2024 09:03 PM (elaR+)
Or print your own. Depending on what state you are in.
I'm finding the hard way that SCT and Lone Wolf simply are not up to snuff.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at September 29, 2024 09:03 PM (elaR+)
Or print your own. Depending on what state you are in.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 29, 2024 09:40 PM (QfvaV)
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lol, Weasel ...
just noticed the other day that I had one of my biggest pry-bars hanging on a hook behind my rain coat in the front hall ...
parbly not a good thing?
& now rly g'night!
just noticed the other day that I had one of my biggest pry-bars hanging on a hook behind my rain coat in the front hall ...
parbly not a good thing?
& now rly g'night!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at September 29, 2024 09:40 PM (UWgy2)
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302 Whatever storage solution you decide upon, be sure to store all of your cutting tools next to it in the basement like I do.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:36 PM (uGpeQ)
Yeah, I've had that conversation with myself, too. I figure my safe is mostly to keep the grand-kids away from the guns. If a determined burglar wants to get into it, they will.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:36 PM (uGpeQ)
Yeah, I've had that conversation with myself, too. I figure my safe is mostly to keep the grand-kids away from the guns. If a determined burglar wants to get into it, they will.
Posted by: BillyD at September 29, 2024 09:41 PM (Yt3ED)
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309 Keep in mind if you get a safe , that you reduce the stated capacity by at least 3.
If you need a ten gun safe you need to buy a 15 gun safe.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 29, 2024 09:39 PM (BsPPV)
The number seems to be based on JROTC bolt action dummy guns.
Anything with optics or any of that well that takes more room.
If you need a ten gun safe you need to buy a 15 gun safe.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 29, 2024 09:39 PM (BsPPV)
The number seems to be based on JROTC bolt action dummy guns.
Anything with optics or any of that well that takes more room.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 29, 2024 09:41 PM (QfvaV)
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be sure to store all of your cutting tools next to it in the basement like I do.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:36 PM (uGpeQ)
Don't forget drills!
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:36 PM (uGpeQ)
Don't forget drills!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 29, 2024 09:41 PM (d9fT1)
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 29, 2024 09:42 PM (QfvaV)
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A quick note about badges. I'm running out of time to make badges before the big day. It only takes 10-15 minutes to create your personal badge, but it takes the printer more than an hour to print, and it's only that fast because I'm doing 7 or 8 at a time. My main time problem is that I have a day job, curse the luck. Anyway, if you're on the fence about a badge you'd best decide quick.
I'm not printing any badges that people haven't specifically asked for.
Also, I've responded to all the requests that I've received, so if you sent a request and did not get a response, something went wrong, and we'll have to try something else. I have other email addresses, like the same account name at geemale.
I'm not printing any badges that people haven't specifically asked for.
Also, I've responded to all the requests that I've received, so if you sent a request and did not get a response, something went wrong, and we'll have to try something else. I have other email addresses, like the same account name at geemale.
Posted by: Cybersmythe at September 29, 2024 09:42 PM (iZEhM)
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AOP ... the locker itself, maybe ... weld a big hasp onto it & probably ok.'the existing "lock" is inadequate to a determined attack
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades
You should see the standard for military grade arms vault doors.
Times to delay breaching are measured in minutes.
Whstever was made has tools to make it. Sme/similar tools can 'unmake' it even faster.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades
You should see the standard for military grade arms vault doors.
Times to delay breaching are measured in minutes.
Whstever was made has tools to make it. Sme/similar tools can 'unmake' it even faster.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 29, 2024 09:42 PM (/lPRQ)
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Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 29, 2024 09:41 PM (d9fT1)
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Drills and cutting wheels and torches!
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Drills and cutting wheels and torches!
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:43 PM (uGpeQ)
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I am of the opinion that the job of a home gun safe is to thwart the bottom 99% of thieves.
Yep.
Yep.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 29, 2024 09:43 PM (mH6SG)
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I'm ignorant of Glock building. Why buy an OEM Glock frame and build your own instead of just buying a Glock?
Posted by: BillyD
$$$
Usually you buy a Glock then spend extra to modify it.
Building from scratch allows you to make it exactly how you want for less money.
Posted by: BillyD
$$$
Usually you buy a Glock then spend extra to modify it.
Building from scratch allows you to make it exactly how you want for less money.
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at September 29, 2024 09:44 PM (elaR+)
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I'm not printing any badges that people haven't specifically asked for.
I won't add to your work load but I do want to say thank you for doing it.
I won't add to your work load but I do want to say thank you for doing it.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 09:44 PM (/y8xj)
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317 A quick note about badges. I'm running out of time to make badges before the big day. It only takes 10-15 minutes to create your personal badge, but it takes the printer more than an hour to print, and it's only that fast because I'm doing 7 or 8 at a time. My main time problem is that I have a day job, curse the luck. Anyway, if you're on the fence about a badge you'd best decide quick.
I'm not printing any badges that people haven't specifically asked for.
Also, I've responded to all the requests that I've received, so if you sent a request and did not get a response, something went wrong, and we'll have to try something else. I have other email addresses, like the same account name at geemale.
Posted by: Cybersmythe at September 29, 2024 09:42 PM (iZEhM)
Appreciate the service you're providing, sir!
I'm not printing any badges that people haven't specifically asked for.
Also, I've responded to all the requests that I've received, so if you sent a request and did not get a response, something went wrong, and we'll have to try something else. I have other email addresses, like the same account name at geemale.
Posted by: Cybersmythe at September 29, 2024 09:42 PM (iZEhM)
Appreciate the service you're providing, sir!
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 29, 2024 09:44 PM (v23vE)
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I won't add to your work load but I do want to say thank you for doing it.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 09:44 PM (/y8xj)
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Yep! Very generous of you!
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 09:44 PM (/y8xj)
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Yep! Very generous of you!
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:45 PM (uGpeQ)
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Some safes have shelves, which when removed, can increase capacity.
I'm convinced that the people who design the interiors of gun safes don't actually use them. Same as for dishwashers.
I'm convinced that the people who design the interiors of gun safes don't actually use them. Same as for dishwashers.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 09:47 PM (/y8xj)
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 09:47 PM (DDSgs)
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Posted by: Cybersmythe at September 29, 2024 09:42 PM (iZEhM)
Cybersmythe is definitely a Moron, gentleman, and a scholar!
Cybersmythe is definitely a Moron, gentleman, and a scholar!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at September 29, 2024 09:47 PM (hOUT3)
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314 309 Keep in mind if you get a safe , that you reduce the stated capacity by at least 3.
If you need a ten gun safe you need to buy a 15 gun safe.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 29, 2024 09:39 PM (BsPPV)
The number seems to be based on JROTC bolt action dummy guns.
Anything with optics or any of that well that takes more room.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 29, 2024 09:41 PM (QfvaV)
So, de-rate the stated capacity by 50% to account for "real" long guns with optics, then multiply by three for future acquisitions, then round up to 10x in case you underestimated future acquisitions, then make sure you have a space twice as wide as the safe next to it so you have room to get an additional, bigger safe.
Sounds about right.
If you need a ten gun safe you need to buy a 15 gun safe.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 29, 2024 09:39 PM (BsPPV)
The number seems to be based on JROTC bolt action dummy guns.
Anything with optics or any of that well that takes more room.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 29, 2024 09:41 PM (QfvaV)
So, de-rate the stated capacity by 50% to account for "real" long guns with optics, then multiply by three for future acquisitions, then round up to 10x in case you underestimated future acquisitions, then make sure you have a space twice as wide as the safe next to it so you have room to get an additional, bigger safe.
Sounds about right.
Posted by: BillyD at September 29, 2024 09:48 PM (Yt3ED)
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Gun Safes.
If you've not BOLTED your safe down into your concrete slab, or through-bolted it through the wooden subfloor, backed with 3/16" thick, 4"x4" in. "washers" on the underside, then it's just a big, clumsy Transfer Box for the goodies stowed inside.
They'll dolly that outta your house like you donated a used fridge to goodwill. And take their sweet time opening it, later.
Lotsa ways you can make your safe....any safe...much harder to crack, than as it was when delivered.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
If you've not BOLTED your safe down into your concrete slab, or through-bolted it through the wooden subfloor, backed with 3/16" thick, 4"x4" in. "washers" on the underside, then it's just a big, clumsy Transfer Box for the goodies stowed inside.
They'll dolly that outta your house like you donated a used fridge to goodwill. And take their sweet time opening it, later.
Lotsa ways you can make your safe....any safe...much harder to crack, than as it was when delivered.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 29, 2024 09:48 PM (kQgoX)
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Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at September 29, 2024 09:09 PM (elaR+)
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We have talked about that a lot over the years. There is already an excellent series of videos on the Brownells site and I would highly recommend that.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:11 PM (uGpeQ)
And for those who don't "do" videos while trying to accomplish tasks, Pew Pew Tactical has a couple of great articles (with plenty of pics) about building an AR. It's what I used to build my first two.
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We have talked about that a lot over the years. There is already an excellent series of videos on the Brownells site and I would highly recommend that.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:11 PM (uGpeQ)
And for those who don't "do" videos while trying to accomplish tasks, Pew Pew Tactical has a couple of great articles (with plenty of pics) about building an AR. It's what I used to build my first two.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 09:48 PM (DDSgs)
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The only time you'll wish you'd bought a smaller safe is when it's time to move it.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 09:49 PM (/y8xj)
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I have three 18 rifle cabinets, I can fit 7 scoped rifles in each of them (with planning and a shoehorn!!)
Posted by: ck at September 29, 2024 09:49 PM (nMOLw)
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(reluctantly closes lid on box of Cappucino Truffle butter cookies, having eaten six of them)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 29, 2024 09:50 PM (yLiuJ)
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BillyD @ 329 has it about right; a thing I learned many years ago sizing Little Metal Boxes for one-off electronics.
lol
lol
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at September 29, 2024 09:51 PM (UWgy2)
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Buying your first gun safe is how you end up with five gun safes.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:52 PM (uGpeQ)
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I really wanted to be in Texas this year, but my wife has Lyme disease, and, pending doctor's orders, we will likely be doing IV antibiotics for several weeks. We simply cannot do any long road trips right now. We did take a longish drive today, but she was pretty sore by the end.
and no. flying is not an option. I love flying, but I hate commercial air travel. makes me feel helpless.
We are making a large ammo purchase soon, though.
and no. flying is not an option. I love flying, but I hate commercial air travel. makes me feel helpless.
We are making a large ammo purchase soon, though.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Telling War Stories at September 29, 2024 09:52 PM (Ad8y9)
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reluctantly closes lid on box of Cappucino Truffle butter cookies, having eaten six of them)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 29, 2024 09:50 PM (yLiuJ)
I just ate six slices of pizza. Dumb.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 29, 2024 09:50 PM (yLiuJ)
I just ate six slices of pizza. Dumb.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 29, 2024 09:53 PM (BsPPV)
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Buying your first gun safe is how you end up with five gun safes.
I don't know what you're talking about. I can stop any time I want to!!
I don't know what you're talking about. I can stop any time I want to!!
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 09:53 PM (/y8xj)
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Posted by: Pug Mahon, Telling War Stories at September 29, 2024 09:52 PM (Ad8y9)
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Bummer man, but you have to take care of things at home first.
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Bummer man, but you have to take care of things at home first.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:53 PM (uGpeQ)
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What do you do if you live in an apartment and drilling a safe into the structure is not an option?
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 09:54 PM (UNPQr)
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I don't know what you're talking about. I can stop any time I want to!!
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 09:53 PM (/y8xj)
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Ha! Well said.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 09:53 PM (/y8xj)
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Ha! Well said.
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:55 PM (uGpeQ)
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My folks have a modular tornado shelter/safe room in the garage.
Might make a decent gun vault too.
Might make a decent gun vault too.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 29, 2024 09:55 PM (/lPRQ)
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:56 PM (uGpeQ)
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330 Gun Safes.
If you've not BOLTED your safe down into your concrete slab, or through-bolted it through the wooden subfloor, backed with 3/16" thick, 4"x4" in. "washers" on the underside, then it's just a big, clumsy Transfer Box for the goodies stowed inside.
They'll dolly that outta your house like you donated a used fridge to goodwill. And take their sweet time opening it, later.
Lotsa ways you can make your safe....any safe...much harder to crack, than as it was when delivered.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 29, 2024 09:48 PM (kQgoX)
Good advice. Mine's in the basement with concrete floor and walls, so it's not real convenient to attach it to anything. I have a couple of hundred pounds of cast bullets stored in the bottom of it to make it tougher to hump it up the stairs without opening it.
My threat model is (1) curious underage family members, (2) amateur burglars who are in a hurry to grab anything valuable and GTFO.
If you've not BOLTED your safe down into your concrete slab, or through-bolted it through the wooden subfloor, backed with 3/16" thick, 4"x4" in. "washers" on the underside, then it's just a big, clumsy Transfer Box for the goodies stowed inside.
They'll dolly that outta your house like you donated a used fridge to goodwill. And take their sweet time opening it, later.
Lotsa ways you can make your safe....any safe...much harder to crack, than as it was when delivered.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 29, 2024 09:48 PM (kQgoX)
Good advice. Mine's in the basement with concrete floor and walls, so it's not real convenient to attach it to anything. I have a couple of hundred pounds of cast bullets stored in the bottom of it to make it tougher to hump it up the stairs without opening it.
My threat model is (1) curious underage family members, (2) amateur burglars who are in a hurry to grab anything valuable and GTFO.
Posted by: BillyD at September 29, 2024 09:56 PM (Yt3ED)
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Jim is "not wrong" either ... all of the safes at Chateau D'Eez are screwed into joists with several large lag bolts each
rly g'night?
lol?
rly g'night?
lol?
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at September 29, 2024 09:56 PM (UWgy2)
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If you need a ten gun safe you need to buy a 15 gun safe.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 29, 2024 09:39 PM (BsPPV)
They will multiply in there. It's a good idea to get one of those safe lights and keep it on ALL THE TIME to try and keep them at least a little modest. And store by type - otherwise is how you get weird caliber creep, with the offspring being something strange like .32 magnum rimfire.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 29, 2024 09:39 PM (BsPPV)
They will multiply in there. It's a good idea to get one of those safe lights and keep it on ALL THE TIME to try and keep them at least a little modest. And store by type - otherwise is how you get weird caliber creep, with the offspring being something strange like .32 magnum rimfire.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 09:56 PM (DDSgs)
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:56 PM (uGpeQ)
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What do you do if you live in an apartment and drilling a safe into the structure is not an option?
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 09:54 PM (UNPQr)
You need a hide a safe. I'm thinking about buying a couch safe or making one myself.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 09:54 PM (UNPQr)
You need a hide a safe. I'm thinking about buying a couch safe or making one myself.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 29, 2024 09:57 PM (BsPPV)
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For anyone wondering.
At the time a stock Glock 34 was $600.
I built a G34 version that had modified trigger, disconnector, trigger pin spring, and a 6 inch barrel ($150 by itself) all for $600.
At the time a stock Glock 34 was $600.
I built a G34 version that had modified trigger, disconnector, trigger pin spring, and a 6 inch barrel ($150 by itself) all for $600.
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Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 09:57 PM (UNPQr)
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All y'all have a great week. 'nite!!
Posted by: Weasel at September 29, 2024 09:59 PM (uGpeQ)
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Lotsa ways you can make your safe....any safe...much harder to crack, than as it was when delivered.
Posted by: Jim at September 29, 2024 09:48 PM (kQgoX)
Put it on the second floor, too. Without a window they can push it out.
Posted by: Jim at September 29, 2024 09:48 PM (kQgoX)
Put it on the second floor, too. Without a window they can push it out.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 10:00 PM (DDSgs)
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nurse - a few hundred pounds of cast bullets or other reloading supplies should make it "inconvenient" to move ... buddy of mine did this many times, lost nothing, ever.
most thieves are in it for quick, mess with that and they will move on.
most thieves are in it for quick, mess with that and they will move on.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at September 29, 2024 10:00 PM (UWgy2)
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G'night, Weasel and Horde. Starting to get a bit wound up about Corsicana now. #3weeks
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 10:00 PM (/y8xj)
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Bolt to concrete. It is the way.
Posted by: Eromero at September 29, 2024 10:01 PM (LHPAg)
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Lucy the Fink is a fearsome beast!!!
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 09:57 PM
Give the fearsome beast some ear scritches!
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 09:57 PM
Give the fearsome beast some ear scritches!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 29, 2024 10:01 PM (Wnv9h)
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What do you do if you live in an apartment and drilling a safe into the structure is not an option?
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 09:54 PM (UNPQr)
Dedicate a closet to the gun safe? Most closets are wider than the door to enter them. Buy a safe that barely fits through the door. Drill holes through the side walls of the safe, and run lag screws through those holes into heavy timbers placed there to receive them. 2X6, 4X4, whatever fits. With the safe closed and locked, it would be very tedious for the burglar to remove those timbers. And the timbers would make the safe into an object too bulky to be twisted around, and brought out the door edgewise.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 09:54 PM (UNPQr)
Dedicate a closet to the gun safe? Most closets are wider than the door to enter them. Buy a safe that barely fits through the door. Drill holes through the side walls of the safe, and run lag screws through those holes into heavy timbers placed there to receive them. 2X6, 4X4, whatever fits. With the safe closed and locked, it would be very tedious for the burglar to remove those timbers. And the timbers would make the safe into an object too bulky to be twisted around, and brought out the door edgewise.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 29, 2024 10:01 PM (yLiuJ)
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even just lead ingots for future casting ...
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at September 29, 2024 10:01 PM (UWgy2)
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...What do you do if you live in an apartment and drilling a safe into the structure is not an option?
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 09:54 PM (UNPQr)
I would suggest the SnapSafe (someone correct me on the branding?) series of MODULAR safes. They come flat-pak, like an Ikea safe. You assemble the six separate sides, make up the box, install the interior and door, and voila... SAFE!!!
Why'd I mention this series? So, you might want to assemble it at the back of your closet, and make sure it's too big to "fit" out of the closet door.
Also, get with your landlord, and see if you can negotiate some "damage" for mounting a safe. He or she might not mind patching a mere four, 1/2" holes, if discretely sited.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 09:54 PM (UNPQr)
I would suggest the SnapSafe (someone correct me on the branding?) series of MODULAR safes. They come flat-pak, like an Ikea safe. You assemble the six separate sides, make up the box, install the interior and door, and voila... SAFE!!!
Why'd I mention this series? So, you might want to assemble it at the back of your closet, and make sure it's too big to "fit" out of the closet door.
Also, get with your landlord, and see if you can negotiate some "damage" for mounting a safe. He or she might not mind patching a mere four, 1/2" holes, if discretely sited.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at September 29, 2024 10:02 PM (kQgoX)
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we will likely be doing IV antibiotics for several weeks.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Telling War Stories at September 29, 2024 09:52 PM (Ad8y9)
Isn't that what that little hook on the post behind the car's front door is for? To hang your IV bag on?
Seriously, aside from the TxMoMe, I hope your wife gets better soon. And I hope that tick died a slow agonizing death.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Telling War Stories at September 29, 2024 09:52 PM (Ad8y9)
Isn't that what that little hook on the post behind the car's front door is for? To hang your IV bag on?
Seriously, aside from the TxMoMe, I hope your wife gets better soon. And I hope that tick died a slow agonizing death.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 10:02 PM (DDSgs)
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The 'zon has vault doors for only $2k delivered.
Put some z-brick on the walls instant walk in vault.
Put some z-brick on the walls instant walk in vault.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 29, 2024 10:03 PM (/lPRQ)
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2X6, 4X4, whatever fits. With the safe closed and locked, it would be very tedious for the burglar to remove those timbers.
Damn, that's clever. I bet you'd have gotten on well with my dad and I mean that as the highest compliment.
Damn, that's clever. I bet you'd have gotten on well with my dad and I mean that as the highest compliment.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 29, 2024 10:03 PM (/y8xj)
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What do you do if you live in an apartment and drilling a safe into the structure is not an option?
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 09:54 PM (UNPQr)
Tell your landlord you've improved the apartment/house, and he can raise the rent on the next tenant.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 29, 2024 09:54 PM (UNPQr)
Tell your landlord you've improved the apartment/house, and he can raise the rent on the next tenant.
Posted by: GWB at September 29, 2024 10:04 PM (DDSgs)
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Noooood
Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at September 29, 2024 10:06 PM (elaR+)
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ONT is up. Thanks for a fine gun thread, Weasel.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 29, 2024 10:07 PM (yLiuJ)
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Without a doubt, the most Moron thing you will read all day.
Without a doubt, the most Moron thing you will read all day.
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