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Saturday Evening Movie Thread [9/28/2024]

Tony Scott


Tony Scott is synonymous with 1980s and 1990s big-budget action cinema. Mostly through his partnership with Don Simpson and Jerry Bruckheimer, he made a series of high-profile movies like Top Gun, Days of Thunder, and Crimson Tide, meeting success for the most part as his career flourished. He was well known for his work with some of the biggest stars in Hollywood like Tom Cruise, Denzel Washington, and Bruce Willis. He directed the biggest movies of the year in 1986 and 1987 at the box office, and he had a top ten movie in 1996 (Crimson Tide). His films never broke $100 million at the box office from the 90s on, but they did regularly make good investments for the studios that he worked with.

It seems obvious to me that his relationship to his elder brother Ridley really helped him get started. Together, they formed Scott Free Productions in the early 70s, and it was Ridley who got started making features first in 1977 with The Duellists, Tony not starting his feature film directing career until 1983 with The Hunger (unless you really want to count Loving Memory, essentially a student film made in 1971). He ended up with a fairly narrow band of films that he could direct well, though.

So, what do you make of a career like Tony Scotts? Of a career ended early when he committed suicide by jumping off the Vincent Thomas Bridge in Los Angeles? I liked a good amount of what I saw, more than I thought, but I also saw this pattern of derivativeness that made him feel like a vessel for other people's visions, especially Don Simpson's. That's not to take away from his successes, just that he was much more of a chameleon than people seem to think of him. They think of his frenetic editing and camera work as his defining feature, but considering the stories of Don Simpson on set and how controlling he was, Simpson ends up feeling like a coked-up David O. Selznick.

So, when I look over the career of Tony Scott, I see three main sources of influence. I see Don Simpson. I see his elder brother Ridley Scott. And, I see himself.

Don Simpson


Out of the eleven films that Don Simpson produced, Tony Scott directed four of them, more than a third. From the start of their professional relationship (along with Simpson's producing partner Jerry Bruckheimer) in 1986 with Top Gun, Scott directed half of what Simpson produced until his death in 1996. If there was one director that Don Simpson latched onto, it wasn't Martin Brest who directed the first Beverly Hills Cop film, it was Scott, who directed the second.

It's hard to delineate between the two and how they influenced each other without pointing towards later in Simpson's life, particularly around the period that the pair made Crimson Tide together. Scott didn't always work with Simpson over those ten years. He made a few other movies for some other producers like Joel Silver (The Last Boy Scout) or Wendy Finerman (The Fan), but his main working relationship in terms of producer was Simpson. What's evident is that visually the films under Simpson are actually a bit more reserved and in control (relatively, this is Tony Scott we're talking about) while the films outside of that relationship are where he started to experiment, especially with The Fan.

Crimson Tide, Simpson's last film with Scott went into production about 10 months before The Rock, also produced by Simpson but directed by Michael Bay (his second feature after Bad Boys, also a Simpson production), and I find it hard to tell the difference between the two from a visual perspective. They have extremely similar ways of shooting and editing that make it hard to differentiate the styles at the time of Bay and Scott with this connective tissue that is Don Simpson. As Jerry Bruckheimer said in 1985, sitting next to Simpson, "We are as much a part of making the picture as the director."

Simpson lived large and big, his peak probably coming in 1990 with the production of Days of Thunder where he spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to build a gym on the beach, bring in hot girls to work out, and even put himself in the film in a minor role. That minor role got cut out after cost overruns brought the studio in to try and save things in post-production (apparently, it was Tom Cruise himself who demanded the cuts). It got cut so far down that he's in, effectively, one shot with one line of dialogue. Days of Thunder represented the peak of Simpson's power, cut down during post-production, but he wasn't done, making movies for six more years until his death.

His entire career in the 80s was about making himself the front and center of a production to the point where Days of Thunder doubled its original production budget in costs because he, Bruckheimer, and even Robert Towne (who wrote the script) would argue for hours with Tony Scott about camera placement...all the time. He was the coked up David O. Selznick of the 80s, and he wanted the world to know.

So, that's why I feel a certain uniformity to the visual stylings of Scott's films for Simpson, why when he ended up working for some other producer, things felt more open and even experimental (though not always better, I found The Fan to be a real drag). Which makes my feelings about the similarities between Crimson Tide and The Rock seem valid. Simpson had a long history of meddling in the production of his films in a way that Bruckheimer, in the decades since Simpson's death, doesn't seem to share (I get the sense that Bruckheimer was a bit of a follower to Simpson's behavior), so it becomes a question of whose movies are these? These four movies that Scott directed with Simpson? The truth is somewhere in between them, but it's obvious that Simpson is at least as much responsible for the final product as Scott was.

Ridley


Tony Scott's relationship with Don Simpson lasted ten years and for four productions. Overall, he had seventeen feature films to his name from that early film Loving Memory through Unstoppable in 2010. The one relationship that will outstrip all others, that lasted his entire life, though, was his elder brother Ridley Scott, director of Alien, Blade Runner, Gladiator, and, yes, Prometheus.

Just because the two are siblings and Ridley is the elder doesn't necessarily mean that Tony was inspired by how Ridley made films...until you watch his first feature film after that long break, The Hunger. The Hunger is made like how Ridley Scott was making movies in the early 80s, especially Blade Runner which came out a year earlier. There are heavy uses of gels to create monochromatic images, in particular blues. There's this heavily reserved approach to the acting. There's a lot of fog effects. It has this reserved approach to the editing that makes it feel like a steady dream, not a thrill ride. It's not what one thinks of as a Tony Scott film. If someone were to tell me that Ridley actually directed and just put Tony's name on it, I wouldn't be able to dismiss the assertion. It feels like a Ridley Scott movie much more than every other film Tony made.

The influence doesn't end there. After the work with Simpson that ended in 1996, Scott had the time and opportunity to actually move in his own directions, in ways that interested him stylistically more. He also had opportunity to work directly with Ridley on films through their mutually owned production company Scott Free Productions which they began in the 70s to make commercials in Britain (and then went through some corporate moves that split the company in two, one for each brother, and then reassembled into one in 1995). The first film that Scott Free produced for Tony was The Fan, followed by Enemy of the State, and then Man on Fire.

Man on Fire is where I want to focus because it came out three years after Ridley's Black Hawk Down, and the two are as close stylistically as the two brothers got outside of The Hunger. It still has moments that distinctly make it Tony's, not Ridley's, including Tony's growing propensity for heavily edited moments of montage that include multiple exposures across several shots, blown out whites because of over-exposures, and distortions on the audio track, something that Ridley has never really done. However, outside of those moments which dot the film from beginning to end, Man on Fire is essentially Tony's Black Hawk Down stylistically.

There's a grittiness that matches the streets of the Mexican city the film takes place in with Mogadishu. There's this overexposed quality to the film that highlights the brightness of the sun. Nights tend to be filmed in similar gel-heavy manners emphasizing blues instead of spare lighting and blacks in both films. The reserved approach to dialogue scenes, in particular the first introduction of Denzel Washington's character to the family who hires him, feels similar to how Scott shoots most of his dialogue scenes. They're not the same movie, by the stylistic overlapping is too much to ignore as coincidental. I don't think it's hard to say that Tony, who called his brother a mentor and father-figure, tried to emulate his brother's filmmaking style to some degree.

Tony


That leaves Tony Scott himself. I don't mean to imply that he was derivative in any sort of pejorative way by highlighting what seemed to be his main influences. Every great artist has their influences, you just have to have the knowledge of the medium to find them. I mean, it's easy to see Ridley's influence in Tony's work because we all know Ridley's work fairly well, but who can see the Michael Powell influence in Martin Scorsese's filmography? It's there. You just have to know Powell to see it, and most people don't know Powell all that well (I don't, but I'll correct that soon).

So, with his influences, where does he start mixing and matching them himself? Where does he feel like he's breaking out in new directions that come from his own desire to make cinema his own way? Well, I don't think there's a pure place for artists where they create something out of nothing, it's about combining what they know and like into something unique for them. And where Tony Scott was unique was his visuals. The best way to demonstrate that is an example, so below is his entry in the early 00s short film series produced by BMW (as well as the two Scott brothers) titled The Hire, his entry titled Beat the Devil:



That extreme effort at visual chaos might be the purest form of what Scott ended up trying to do after Simpson died and while he was in the earlier days of working with Ridley in an official capacity. I find it headache inducing, personally, and he took it to feature length with his movie about Domino Harvey, Domino. This is just endless high-octane editing, never settling down to actually let anyone in the audience see what's going on, never letting actors have a moment to make their own contributions known. It is director and editor at the center, leaving everyone behind, including the audience. I think there's a reason he only really tried this technique at the feature length once. Pretty much everyone rejected it (although Tarantino and Edgar Wright have expressed deeply held appreciation for the film, which I don't get, but whatever).

So, is Domino the purest form of Tony Scott?

The Pure Tony Scott


I don't think it is. Domino seems to represent Tony Scott most at one moment in his life, the mid-00s when he was trying to make himself into something beyond the Simpson tool and Ridley mimic. It's more of a timepiece than a reflection on his work as a whole. The focus on its actors is too diffuse. The quality of its stars is too low (Keira Knightley was more of a flash in the pan in Hollywood, an identifiable face within an ensemble, than a real movie star). The script was too...experimental and unfocused (Domino isn't even the protagonist of a movie named after her).

No, the purest example of Tony Scott as an artist of action, populist cinema is what I think to be his best film, Unstoppable (probably an unpopular opinion, especially with the love that True Romance gets).

Unstoppable is pure formula, essentially a Roger Corman movie made with $100 million and starring Denzel Washington and Chris Pine where Corman found a train he could use and made Scott go and build a film around it. It has telltale signs of Simpson influence (the action, the mentor relationship, the bridging of the divide between antagonists in the beginning to become friends in the face of the real antagonist in the end, movie stars), but told in a simpler, more grounded, lower-class way than Simpson ever would have. Simpson's world was a world of the elite's elite in dangerous professions, not working-class guys rising to an occasion to fix a problem.

Visually, the film doesn't have nearly as much of that editing incoherence that defined Domino (it was obvious he'd largely cast if off with his follow-up film to Domino, Deja Vu), but you can still feel that Ridley influence in the visuals because they're so baked in the cake of everything Scott did by that point. It's this combination of him, Simpson, and Ridley told in this surprisingly tight little package of explosive destruction and action that meshed well with his penchant for action-filmmaking but also the tense aspects of the script.

Honestly, Unstoppable feels like everything Scott had been trying to do as a filmmaker since Top Gun. It is the one movie that feels fully his, fully like he made the movie he wanted to make, the movie that his career had been building to. It probably sounds like I'm overpraising it as some sort of masterpiece. I wouldn't go that far, but I do love the film and think it's a great entertainment.

In the End


And Unstoppable was his final film. He threw himself off the Vincent Thomas Bridge in 2012, reportedly because of a cancer diagnosis (though, supposedly, there was no cancer found in his body), and he died. It seems obvious, based on the little that I've read of his relationship with his elder brother, that Tony was a troubled man who leaned heavily on his elder sibling for emotional support. They both had survived their eldest brother, Frank, who died in 1980 due to skin cancer. Ridley had put him on the track that led him to film directing in general by talking him into starting Scott Free instead of working for the BBC because the former would lead him to buying a Ferrari sooner (it worked). The cancer diagnosis must have been something he kept from Ridley and didn't know how to process, leading to despair, which is a terrible thing.

And he left behind a legacy of films that were popular in their day and mostly have aged fairly well. My own opinions don't matter, but Top Gun, True Romance, Crimson Tide, Enemy of the State, Man on Fire, and Unstoppable should all have shelf lives that go on for a few more decades to entertain people with their charms and thrills. That's far from nothing.

Movies of Today

Opening in Theaters:

Megalopolis

The Wild Robot

Movies I Saw This Fortnight:

Unstoppable (Rating 4/4) Full Review "So, I genuinely and greatly enjoyed this film. I think it was Tony Scott's best film." [Library]

Domino (Rating 1/4) Full Review "This is something of a disaster from Tony Scott." [Library]

Man on Fire (Rating 3/4) Full Review "So, I think the overall package is quite good. It might be Scott's best film. However, I just feel like something is missing in the back half that would give Creasy's actions more immediacy. Also, Scott's visual flare continues to become a headache in increasing intensity, flashing needlessly in sections but, thankfully, not all the time." [Library]

Spy Game (Rating 2/4) Full Review "So, it feels like Scott trying to, again, elevate his own material, but he couldn't judge scripts or improve them, and his stylistic excesses were beginning to work against him. He still has qualities to recommend his work, but this script is simply too filled with issues that need to be worked out on the page before pre-production ever got close to beginning." [Library]

True Romance (Rating 3/4) Full Review "There's a sweet core, some solid action, and a lot of fun dialogue along the way. It's quality entertainment from Scott." [Library]

Days of Thunder (Rating 2/4) Full Review "So, the first half is actually quite fun, doesn't take itself too seriously, and is just generally a high-adrenaline good time at the movies. The second half is a hodgepodge of dramatic nonsense that never connects and the movie doesn't actually care about." [Library]

The Last Boy Scout (Rating 3/4) Full Review "This is solid, 90s fun from Scott and Black, buoyed by fun performances, a good balance between comedy, drama, and action, and a smartly written, noir-inspired script." [Library]

Crimson Tide (Rating 3/4) Full Review "So, it's fun, but its one foot in realism betrays the rest of the film which isn't terribly realistic." [Library]

Contact

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I've also archived all the old posts here, by request. I'll add new posts a week after they originally post at the HQ.

My next post will be on 10/19, and it will be very spooky.

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Comments

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1 Popcorn Time

Posted by: Skip at September 28, 2024 07:46 PM (fwDg9)

2 Man on Fire is a remake the first movie was with Scott Glenn, I like both Actors and the original was in Italy and about the Mob. same story

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at September 28, 2024 07:52 PM (FCrpy)

3 Man on Fire

One of my all-time favorites.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 28, 2024 07:52 PM (mH6SG)

4 Last Boy Scout was a disaster in all the good ways and one of my favorite guilty pleasure movies,

True Romance is my favorite Tarantino written movie and I think Scott's best directed movie.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 28, 2024 07:58 PM (i514R)

5 Misposted, I assume, on the Pet Thread:
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In vino veritas

In cervesio felicitas

In wine there is truth, in beer there is happiness.
Posted by: Fritzy at September 28, 2024 07:23 PM (LM1wn)

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 28, 2024 07:58 PM (CEzQx)

6 with Maggie Smith passing I rewatched Clash of the Titans with my son, I had forgot that there was a nude scene and my son "that was inappropriate"

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at September 28, 2024 07:59 PM (FCrpy)

7 8 1/2 is coming up on TCM. It used to be my favorite movie when I was a young film snob. Now it's not even my favorite Fellini film. But it still has its charms.

Posted by: Pete in Texas at September 28, 2024 08:01 PM (D21fT)

8 Man on Fire was okay except the part where Denzel almost became a mass murderer.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 28, 2024 08:01 PM (i514R)

9 Man on Fire is my most favorite movie ever.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 28, 2024 08:02 PM (I1GXe)

10 7 8 1/2 is coming up on TCM. It used to be my favorite movie when I was a young film snob. Now it's not even my favorite Fellini film. But it still has its charms.
Posted by: Pete in Texas at September 28, 2024 08:01 PM (D21fT)

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Nights of Cabiria will alwaysbe my favorite.

I need to watch some Fellini again, especially since I'm trying to learn Italian again.

Posted by: TJM's phone at September 28, 2024 08:02 PM (GBKbO)

11 One ping only, Vasili.

Posted by: Capt. Ramius at September 28, 2024 08:03 PM (75jEA)

12 Oh wait. That was Hunt For Red October.

Belay that ping, Vasili.

Carry on.

Posted by: Capt. Ramius at September 28, 2024 08:04 PM (75jEA)

13
Man On Fire

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050682

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 28, 2024 08:04 PM (63Dwl)

14 Great Scott > Ridley Scott > Tony Scott

Posted by: Doc Brown at September 28, 2024 08:06 PM (75jEA)

15 For those that like space travel related movies a very good unknown movie is Prospect.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 28, 2024 08:07 PM (i514R)

16 TJM, well done! You sure picked a winner on this one.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 28, 2024 08:08 PM (I1GXe)

17 Unstoppable is the movie I invariably think of with respect to Tony Scott.

I do like it. I'll usually watch it if I see it on TV. But I don't know if I'd give it a 4/4 rating. If I had to put a name to it, I'd say that the movie tries too hard to build tension. The plot itself creates plenty of that, but I've always felt that Scott tried to ramp it up with the dialogue, and either that made the dialogue clunky, or the dialogue was too clunky for that to begin with.

Maybe I'm overthinking it. I'd give it a 3/4, certainly, just not a 4.

Posted by: Dr. T at September 28, 2024 08:09 PM (lHPJf)

18 Scott Glenn Man on Fire
https://tinyurl.com/2esvd266

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at September 28, 2024 08:09 PM (FCrpy)

19 >Man on Fire is a remake the first movie was with Scott Glenn...


Scott Glenn was the man on fire in Backdraft.

Posted by: davidt at September 28, 2024 08:09 PM (i0F8b)

20 I think we previously talked about best train movies. Mine is Emperor of the North.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 28, 2024 08:12 PM (i514R)

21 In wine there is truth, in beer there is happiness.
Posted by: Fritzy at September 28, 2024 07:23 PM (LM1wn)


Beer? That's an odd way to spell rum.

Posted by: Dr. T at September 28, 2024 08:12 PM (lHPJf)

22 Huh.

No TJM love for Scott's "Deja Vu".

I think it's one of Scott's best. Good action plus a nice emotional core that usually missing from his movies.

I'd rank it above Unstoppable.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 28, 2024 08:13 PM (eDfFs)

23 I liked Man On Fire, but not Crimson Tide.

Posted by: Eromero at September 28, 2024 08:13 PM (LHPAg)

24 Guess he needed a second opinion

Posted by: Skip at September 28, 2024 08:13 PM (fwDg9)

25 So besides mental illness (and maybe that’s all it was) what was the story on his suicide?

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 28, 2024 08:14 PM (S6gqv)

26 I didn't like Top Gun but just watched Top Gun -Maverick and that was a fun movie.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 28, 2024 08:15 PM (i514R)

27 22 Huh.

No TJM love for Scott's "Deja Vu".

I think it's one of Scott's best. Good action plus a nice emotional core that usually missing from his movies.

I'd rank it above Unstoppable.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 28, 2024 08:13 PM (eDfFs)

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Just because I don't highlight a film in a post doesn't mean I don't like it. I mention The Fan several times, and I don't like that.

I like Deja Vu a good bit. Kind of falls apart in the third act, but it's pretty solid.

Posted by: TJM's phone at September 28, 2024 08:15 PM (GBKbO)

28 Liked Man on Fire a lot. Do remember it being a little hard to look at last time I watched. Probably because for a time everyone seemed to do the color filter things, though I suspect it's the overexposure that gets me. Bit I'm no film expert, so who can say.

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at September 28, 2024 08:16 PM (ftFVW)

29 25 So besides mental illness (and maybe that’s all it was) what was the story on his suicide?
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 28, 2024 08:14 PM (S6gqv)

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He wrote a suicide note to his family, but the text has never been revealed. Ridley referred to cancer in Tony once in an interview, which is where the assertion originates from.

Posted by: TJM's phone at September 28, 2024 08:16 PM (GBKbO)

30 Can someone explain to me how the father would profit from paying a ransom in Man on Fire?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 28, 2024 08:18 PM (i514R)

31 26 I didn't like Top Gun but just watched Top Gun -Maverick and that was a fun movie.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 28, 2024 08:15 PM (i514R)

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I think Top Gun is missing something in the school section to establish stakes. It's mostly just peacocking by alpha males. Maverick fixes that by having them prep for a mission.

I like Maverick more.

Posted by: TJM's phone at September 28, 2024 08:18 PM (GBKbO)

32 When I finally saw the original Man on Fire I was confused because Scott Glenn didn't repeat a line three times even once in the whole movie.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at September 28, 2024 08:19 PM (5IFb9)

33 Sebastion , insurance scam.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 28, 2024 08:19 PM (I1GXe)

34 Top Gun? Mmmmmm, Val Kilmer.

Posted by: She Hobbit (out and about in Middle Earth) at September 28, 2024 08:19 PM (ftFVW)

35 Thx TJM. True Romance is superb because it puts all kind of crazy stuff around a pretty simple story. The Hopper - Walken scene makes it a classic.
IMHO Enemy of the State is a very underrated movie . It actually works as a follow up twenty years later to The Conversation which also started Hackman in a similar role.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 28, 2024 08:20 PM (RTfY1)

36 Watched Top Gun month or two ago, I like that movie, never saw the sequel

Posted by: Skip at September 28, 2024 08:21 PM (fwDg9)

37 You know when I went to the Border yesterday there was no one there except the Border patrol!!!

What is all this crap that the Border is being overrun and not closed???

Posted by: Kamal Harris at September 28, 2024 08:21 PM (Wb+1f)

38 I've never seen Domino, so no opinion on that. But, I do disagree about Keira Knightley being a low quality star. I like her work, particularly Atonement, and plus she's a hottie.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 28, 2024 08:21 PM (klJTj)

39 Val Kilmer as Jim Morrison was freaky good

Posted by: Accomack at September 28, 2024 08:22 PM (Udy3r)

40 I go back and forth from Tyler to DFW 2 or 3 times a month, 100 miles on I-20, and I swear it’s Days of Thunder every time.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 28, 2024 08:22 PM (S6gqv)

41 Can someone explain to me how the father would profit from paying a ransom in Man on Fire?

The plan was to pay the kidnappers 5M (previously agreed before the kidnapping), but collect 10M from the insurance company.

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at September 28, 2024 08:23 PM (5IFb9)

42 38 I've never seen Domino, so no opinion on that. But, I do disagree about Keira Knightley being a low quality star. I like her work, particularly Atonement, and plus she's a hottie.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 28, 2024 08:21 PM (klJTj)

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The quality of star and the quality of actor are two different things.

Star is about the kind of appeal that convinces audiences to buy movie tickets, especially on opening weekend. Knightley was never that, even if she is a perfectly fine actress on her own.

Posted by: TJM's phone at September 28, 2024 08:23 PM (GBKbO)

43 I reviewed "The Substance" somewhere on the HQ earlier this week.

Here's the stripped down all action Tony Scott version:

Imagine "All About Eve" written and Directed by David Cronenberg.

This is the gloppy body horror movie written for women. No joke(credit Joe Biden) your wife or GF will like it and like it better than you- becuuuuzzz it dresses in a very cinematic way the concerns of woman as they grow older. Even the lively and tolerant Mrs naturalfake who stated the movie was just "okay" told me the next day that she kept
thinking about "The Substance" and really likes it.

A near classic somewhat derailed by its insistence that you "get" it by inserting feminist tropes at the climax which it had avoided until that moment. Not fatal to the movie but a disappointment.

Trust your movie, a-holes! You don't need every single idiot who watches your movie to "get it".

Check it out.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 28, 2024 08:25 PM (eDfFs)

44 30 Can someone explain to me how the father would profit from paying a ransom in Man on Fire?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 28, 2024 08:18 PM (i514R)

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He had kidnap insurance, so not his money. The plan was to pay some to the kidnappers and steal some for themselves.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 28, 2024 08:25 PM (klJTj)

45 FUUUUU_

dresses = adresses

Posted by: naturalfake at September 28, 2024 08:27 PM (eDfFs)

46 WOW!

That was a thread. Thanks.

Posted by: Stateless at September 28, 2024 08:28 PM (jvJvP)

47 The quality of star and the quality of actor are two different things.

Star is about the kind of appeal that convinces audiences to buy movie tickets, especially on opening weekend. Knightley was never that, even if she is a perfectly fine actress on her own.

Posted by: TJM's phone at September 28, 2024 08:23 PM (GBKbO)

++++

ahh. I thought you were making a point about the quality of the film rather than box office strength. You're right about Knightley not being one to put asses in the seats.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at September 28, 2024 08:30 PM (klJTj)

48 Really appreciate the work you put into these posts, this one especially.

Posted by: epador at September 28, 2024 08:32 PM (ah1Jo)

49 Not exactly a movie but interesting. A documentary about Jonny Quest.

https://is.gd/9PiuSP

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 28, 2024 08:32 PM (L/fGl)

50 The Substance would make me not sleep well.

Posted by: Eromero at September 28, 2024 08:33 PM (LHPAg)

51 Sebastion , insurance scam.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 28, 2024 08:19 PM (I1GXe)

Did they mention that or was it implied and I just missed it?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 28, 2024 08:35 PM (i514R)

52 "Man on Fire" is one of my all-time favorites Very underrated IMO. A modern allegory which works.

Posted by: RS at September 28, 2024 08:36 PM (E7m29)

53 15 For those that like space travel related movies a very good unknown movie is Prospect.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 28, 2024 08:07 PM (i514R)
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Yes. It's a sort of minimalist sci fi with hifalutin western dialog. Now I want to see it again.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at September 28, 2024 08:37 PM (kpS4V)

54 Breaking: Israel eliminated Hassan Khalil Yassin, who replaced Hassan Nasrallah hours ago.

So Hassan roughly translates as TARGET.

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 28, 2024 08:38 PM (gbOdA)

55 Game over, man

Posted by: Accomack at September 28, 2024 08:40 PM (Udy3r)

56 Is Horizon An American saga worth 5.99 to rent?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 28, 2024 08:40 PM (i514R)

57 Saw "Oddity" last night.

Very nicely done light hour movie in the form of a Puzzle Box Mystery. Sort of like an Agatha Christie mystery was ghost written by Rod Serling.

"Oddity" is like a perfect long form "Night Gallery" episode.

This is one of those movie where you should pay attention to just about everything cuz it figures into the plot.

The story concerns a woman who was murdered. The suspected killer was murdered himself. But, was he really the killer. Her sister has come to meet the murdered woman's husband and his new girlfriend bearing *suspenseful music* a cursed object.

BONUS! If you can't figure out what the end scene will be within the first 20 minutes or so, give up mysteries forever.

Not that the movie is obvious, but it is the type of movie that if you're shown a gun, somebody's getting shot with it.

Check it out for a good Halloweeny time.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 28, 2024 08:41 PM (eDfFs)

58 Recently seen horror movies on Tubi or Roku. Keeping in mind I don't think I've seen more than 100 movies in my life....but I'm catching up.

Dark Tales of Japan -2004 - Japan. Nice movie made up of several short stories. Interesting and fun.

Mimic -2017 - South Korea. Great atmosphere. Confusing at the end.

Gangnam Zombie -2023 - South Korea. A very good, fast paced movie. 8.5 out of 10.

Children of the Corn - US - 5.5 out of 10. Liberal male Stephen King jackoff lead. Tons of plotholes. Yeah, I get it, the religious kids used to torment him......get over it.

Posted by: Stateless at September 28, 2024 08:41 PM (jvJvP)

59 Double fuuuuuuuuu-

hour = horror

My Yuzu Margarita may have been stronger than I thought.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 28, 2024 08:43 PM (eDfFs)

60 Oooops.

"Oddity" is streaming now on Shudder for "free".

Posted by: naturalfake at September 28, 2024 08:45 PM (eDfFs)

61 Finished watching Where Eagles Dare. Seen it enough times. I liked the Fokker Triplane and the music.

The irony is MI-6 had nothing to do with German spies in the UK. That was MI-5, which captured all German spies, and made some of them double agents.

The movie was sorta exciting and in true Alister MacLean mode, had a hidden traitor. I don't want to see it again, because it was over the top. Richard Burton struck me as too old to be such an athletic star.

Those german alpine troops had no quit in them. But the real ones were on the Russian front, not training.

Ingrid Pitt! Wowsa.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 28, 2024 08:47 PM (u82oZ)

62 My Yuzu Margarita may have been stronger than I thought.
-----

On some level, 'Fake, you knew exactly what you were doing. Surrender to the sweet boozy maelstrom.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at September 28, 2024 08:48 PM (kpS4V)

63 Is Horizon An American saga worth 5.99 to rent?
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 28, 2024 08:40 PM (i514R)


I liked "Horizon" a lot and wasn't bored at all during its 3 hour plus run time, however-

it is not, not, not a complete movie. Essentially, it's like half a movie and the story just stops without any conclusion.

The movie did poorly at the box office so they're are holding the already made 2nd half until....hell, I guess they can see if it generates enough interest on streaming.

If you don't mind an incomplete story it's very good.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 28, 2024 08:49 PM (eDfFs)

64 ***Tony not starting his feature film directing career until 1983 with The Hunger***

Blood sucking Catherine Deneuve.

Posted by: Braenyard at September 28, 2024 08:51 PM (tDhVx)

65 Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 28, 2024 08:47 PM (u82oZ)

I’m still looking for those infinity round magazines. So far no luck.

Posted by: Sebation Melmoth at September 28, 2024 08:51 PM (D6PGr)

66 Posted by: naturalfake at September 28, 2024 08:49 PM (eDfFs)

Thanks . Going to rent tonight.

Posted by: Sebation Melmoth at September 28, 2024 08:52 PM (D6PGr)

67 I like Spy Game more than most of the other movies reviewed. Crimson Tide I loathe for the unnecessary and gratuitous racialization of the dispute between Hackman and Washington. The Last Boy Scout has not aged well, like a lot of 80s action films. Domino really is the worst of them. Dude made Keira Knightley in her prime unwatchable. It's a kind of anti-accomplishment.

Posted by: roger ebert's undead GI tract at September 28, 2024 08:53 PM (zUe/H)

68 49 Not exactly a movie but interesting. A documentary about Jonny Quest.

https://is.gd/9PiuSP
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at September 28, 2024 08:32 PM (L/fGl)

The best documentary about Johnny Quest was when Race Bannon sued Dr, Quest for palimony, with Harvey Birdman representing. “Did you not notice that there were Never any women associated with either man?”

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 28, 2024 08:54 PM (S6gqv)

69 Whatever happened to Keira Knightly? She seems to have dropped out of making movies?

Posted by: Tuna at September 28, 2024 08:54 PM (oaGWv)

70 Salty watched that too.
Pet peeve of mine is actors way to old to play the young man's game of war.

Posted by: Skip at September 28, 2024 08:54 PM (fwDg9)

71 Sebation Melmoth

You see them changing mags, but from a crate of loaded one, evidently.

And submachine guns = pistol rounds.

The bus would not stop MG-42 rounds.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 28, 2024 08:55 PM (u82oZ)

72 I really like Horizon. Theater was full when I saw it opening weekend which doesn't happen often anymore. Was very disappointed that they delayed the second due to box office, though it stood well on its own despite being just the first installment.

Posted by: She Hobbit at September 28, 2024 08:56 PM (ftFVW)

73 The best documentary about Johnny Quest was when Race Bannon sued Dr, Quest for palimony, with Harvey Birdman representing. “Did you not notice that there were Never any women associated with either man?”
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 28, 2024 08:54 PM (S6gqv)
---
That was hilarious.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 28, 2024 08:57 PM (BpYfr)

74 69 Whatever happened to Keira Knightly? She seems to have dropped out of making movies?
Posted by: Tuna at September 28, 2024 08:54 PM (oaGWv)

===

I know she had at least one kid, but like other foreign actors who suddenly make it big on one production, she seems to have grown tired of Hollywood and mostly does English productions back home.

Mia Wasikowska did something similar. She was the main character in Alice in Wonderland and it's sequel. Had a few other Hollywood movies, like Lawless, grew sick of it all, moved back to Australia, and makes small indie movies based there.

Posted by: TJM's phone at September 28, 2024 08:57 PM (GBKbO)

75 new girlfriend bearing *suspenseful music* a cursed object.

Did it have a head on both ends?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at September 28, 2024 08:57 PM (Li4AC)

76 Way past my bedtime
Have a great evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at September 28, 2024 08:58 PM (fwDg9)

77 Skip

Real alpinists would have used Prusik hitches to ascend and 'beeners to descend, with gloves and a seat harness.

This was before Jumar ascenders, with make it easy.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 28, 2024 08:59 PM (u82oZ)

78 Skip

Have a nice night.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 28, 2024 08:59 PM (u82oZ)

79 G'nite, Skip.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 28, 2024 09:00 PM (mH6SG)

80 new girlfriend bearing *suspenseful music* a cursed object.

Did it have a head on both ends?
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle

Is there any other kind?

Posted by: She Hobbit at September 28, 2024 09:01 PM (ftFVW)

81 Dark Tales of Japan....10 out of 10 btw

I've never watched a rape and revenge movie ever. I've toughened up lately but was still a little nervous watching 1978's 'I Spit On Your Grave.'

After following Islam since 9/11, I've toughened up.

Nice movie! The lead actress did an amazing job. The rapes happened over 20 minutes in the film. Pretty intense. Her revenge was great. Despite any flaws....10 out of 10.

Tubi has a movie where the director's son explained how they were going to a park, a naked 19 year old girl walked zombie like out of the bushed and she was treated horribly as a rape victim. And the movie....and the sequels....grew from that.

Midsommar - 2019 - BEAUTIFULLY FILMED MOVIE. Boring as hell. But beautifully filmed. Six out of ten.

Cabin Fever -US - 2003. Ten out of ten. Great movie. Silly, fun horror flick about a virus outbreak among 5 college kids at a cabin. Rider Strong from Boy and later Girl Meets World was there. And a young Disney Mom, Cerina Vincent, from my favorite show ever 'Stuck in the Middle' was there. She was great

Posted by: Stateless at September 28, 2024 09:01 PM (jvJvP)

82 The last thing I recall Knightly being in was Never Let Me Go. Good movie if a bit depressing

Posted by: Smell the Glove at September 28, 2024 09:02 PM (RTfY1)

83 61 Finished watching Where Eagles Dare. Seen it enough times. I liked the Fokker Triplane and the music.

The irony is MI-6 had nothing to do with German spies in the UK. That was MI-5, which captured all German spies, and made some of them double agents.

The movie was sorta exciting and in true Alister MacLean mode, had a hidden traitor. I don't want to see it again, because it was over the top. Richard Burton struck me as too old to be such an athletic star.

Those german alpine troops had no quit in them. But the real ones were on the Russian front, not training.

Ingrid Pitt! Wowsa.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 28, 2024 08:47 PM (u82oZ)


I very much enjoy Where Eagles Dare. Yeah, it's over the top and has huge plot holes. So what? The score, Eastwood killing half the German Army, Burton playing Burton, big explosions, I love it all.

MacLean's trademark in all his novels and in this screenplay is the unknown team traitor or double-agent. I've read several of his novels but stopped when his use of that plot device became way too unbelievable.

Posted by: Gref at September 28, 2024 09:02 PM (aBgBM)

84 Horizon was excellent. Worth the rental.

Posted by: roger ebert's undead GI tract at September 28, 2024 09:02 PM (zUe/H)

85 My Yuzu Margarita may have been stronger than I thought.
-----

On some level, 'Fake, you knew exactly what you were doing. Surrender to the sweet boozy maelstrom.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at September 28, 2024 08:48 PM (kpS4V)


I shall.

By the way, I saw Sweet Boozy Maelstrom open for Tipsy at mad stock in '95.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 28, 2024 09:04 PM (eDfFs)

86 Gref

When I was younger, in my Service days, I thought like you.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 28, 2024 09:05 PM (u82oZ)

87 69 Whatever happened to Keira Knightly? She seems to have dropped out of making movies?

Posted by: Tuna at September 28, 2024 08:54 PM (oaGWv)

This was actually the last time I heard about her...

Actually mentioned by name, in music, by a billionaire....

https://tinyurl.com/33vxxebf

Posted by: Stateless at September 28, 2024 09:05 PM (jvJvP)

88 The best documentary about Johnny Quest was when Race Bannon sued Dr, Quest for palimony, with Harvey Birdman representing. “Did you not notice that there were Never any women associated with either man?”
Posted by: Tom Servo

Agreed!

Posted by: Tonypete at September 28, 2024 09:06 PM (WXNFJ)

89 Gref

MacLean's enemy in HMS Ulysses was the Norwegian Sea. But he was a good storyteller, and plenty of his books were made into good - awful movies.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 28, 2024 09:07 PM (u82oZ)

90 By the way here is-

the entire "Trip Tease" album by Tipsy

for your cocktail drinking musical pleasure:

https://tinyurl.com/52dznsnt

Posted by: naturalfake at September 28, 2024 09:10 PM (eDfFs)

91 86 Gref

When I was younger, in my Service days, I thought like you.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 28, 2024 09:05 PM (u82oZ)


Are you calling me a 29 yo whippersnapper?!

Posted by: Gref at September 28, 2024 09:12 PM (aBgBM)

92 A most excellent recap of Herr Scott's oeuvre! The Last Boy Scout is criminally under-rated. Who else recognized how deeply Americans longed in their heart of hearts that a film be made in order that Taylor Negron be thrown into the whirring blades of a helicopter? When Bruce Willis dances his jig, we all dance with him - were we Lionel Richie (before his Frau laid the whoop-ass on him), we would be dancing on the ceiling in solidarity.

Werner also likes Tony Scott's remake of The Taking of Pelham 123, although he prefers the original, for it is closer in time to the event that inspired both films. You all know, of course ... actually, you may not know, as neither the Feds nor NYC officially disclosed the full facts of the matter. Ayn Rand's Bentley, or, as she called it, The Randmobile, had been towed for accumulating several hundred parking tickets, which she refused on principle to pay, deeming it as "a reward to the Looters and Wreckers." Hence were we constrained to take the subway down to the Motor Vehicle Office. Ayn was already pissed, and having to utilize public transport was, as she repeatedly told me, the embrace of a Soviet system. Sorry, one more post.

Posted by: Werner Herzog Has Opinions at September 28, 2024 09:13 PM (tmPIh)

93 Gref

If the shoe fits, young punk ...

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 28, 2024 09:15 PM (u82oZ)

94 89 Gref

MacLean's enemy in HMS Ulysses was the Norwegian Sea. But he was a good storyteller, and plenty of his books were made into good - awful movies.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 28, 2024 09:07 PM (u82oZ)


Salty,
I assume you've read 'The Cruel Sea.' A terrific novel but filled with tragedy and sadness. The sea is always an enemy of humans.

Posted by: Gref at September 28, 2024 09:15 PM (aBgBM)

95 Gref

Yes. I have all of Nicholas Monsarrat's naval stories on one of my bookshelves.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at September 28, 2024 09:17 PM (u82oZ)

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