Gun Thread: Second September Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Holy Shitballs! How in the ever-loving Hell did it get to be the second Gun Thread of September?! The observant among you will notice I am experimenting with a new calendar format for the month, and this example has the date in the lower right corner of the boxes. I make this sort of extra effort on your behalf to keep the ol' thread new and fresh and lively and interesting.

Q: Weasel, do you like the dates in the lower right corner of the date boxes?
A: No. No I do not.

Call me a calendar format traditionalist, or even a calendar format purist, but I feel strongly the number belongs in the top half of the box, preferably on the top right. I will abide by placement in the top left, but my calendar format preference is to have the number in the top right of the box. I am going to leave this retarded calendar abomination included for this edition only to serve as a reminder that change is bad.

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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FUNdamentals

He used the magic word! He used the magic word!!! Oh Sweet Jumping Jesus HE USED THE MAGIC WORD!!!!! Fundamentals for the win!!

Watchless Hombre Speaks Big Truth

I swear people, I'm not making this stuff up!

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Guns of the Horde

Our pal RedMindBlueState recently went on a cruise in Alaska and shares these photos of a museum he visited.

One of the stops on our Alaska cruise was Ketchikan, where some of our cousins live. After they had taken us for a tour around town, knowing that I'm a shooter, they brought us to a little place called Alaska Totem Trading, just south of Totem Bight State Park. It's part gift shop, part museum, and they wanted me to see "the Gatling gun." Inside, there was a very large room containing not one, but two Gatling guns. But in addition, the walls were lined with a fortune in rare and historical firearms, to include Civil War era Henry and Spencer rifles, a 17th century rifle made for the King of Iceland, a Maxim just leaning in a corner, and another long gun given to a Russian Orthodox priest by Samuel Colt. The museum also had some beautiful old cars including Model T and Model A Fords '34 Ford V8. It was a fun visit.

Nice, RMBS! Thank you! Anyone recognize any of the firearms?

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AR Platform Review
Our pal Ed L shares a great video.

In this video, the 1911 Syndicate guys give an overview of the AR-15 platform by price range, ranging from entry level to Gucci ranges. One key thing they point out is cost does not equal "better." You as the buyer need to find the balance between cost, features, and what you want the rifle to do.

Thanks Ed L!

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Paul Harrell
The shooting community has lost a YouTube favorite.

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Model 66 Snubby
Weren't we discussing these recently?

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F-16 Demo Over San Francisco Bay

100% badass.

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Crazy Guy With Secret Kung Fu!

Not my favorite 1950's Sci-Fi genre, but the title alone is too good not to share!

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Texas MoMe Madness!

I'd like to bring to everyone's attention the upcoming MoMe in Texas on October 18-19. If you're in either the northern or southern hemisphere of the planet of the earth, you need to contact Ben Had for details. The dates and email links for MoMes are always helpfully included on the main page, left sidebar, so you really have no excuse!

There is an entire shooting program for both handguns and rifles over two days, world class food and drink, and the even world classier company of your fellow Morons! More on the Friday/Saturday schedule to come, so stay tuned.

Seriously, people. I have said this probably a bazillion times now. These gatherings are a really good time, and I know of no one who regrets having attended one. No kidding. Would your ol' pal Weasel lie to you? MoMe veterans will attest to the funness. Don't be a dork, do yourself a favor and get your ass to Texas! If you're a TXMoMe veteran, please encourage the scairdy-cats to join in the fun!

TXMoMe Shooting Festivities

This seems like a good time to talk a little bit about the upcoming shooting program at the TXMoMe, or the Conservative's Burning Man, as it's popularly known. What started years ago as an informal plinking session lasting a couple of hours has matured into a full program of shooting activities over two days. I have to thank Ben Had, Cow Horse Queen and RancherBob for allowing the shooting to comprise such a significant portion of the TXMoMe. From a safety and organizational perspective, I think the shooting programs last year were the best so far, and we intend to generally run the programs the same way this year. We haven't lost anyone yet and I'd really like to keep it that way.

For a while I have been conducting a Rifle Clinic on Friday morning followed by range time Friday afternoon and then again well into Saturday. We have also been steadily refining the handgun portion of the program to now include an IDPA-esque move-and-shoot pistol course designed and run by Nurse R & WBG (WeaselBuddyGeoff). There is also the usual static pistol range for those who prefer that style of shooting and a separate setup for gun-curious beginners desiring one-on-one supervision and instruction. Lastly and by popular demand, we're hoping to add a gun cleaning and maintenance clinic both days which will run concurrently with the live-fire programs. I include this thing about gun cleaning each year and it never happens, but there is always hope. If one (or two) of you out there would like to be a huge help and take on the cleaning instructor's role, please let me know. We need someone who is safety oriented and comfortable field stripping and cleaning a variety of platforms.

Anyhoo, here's a very rough outline of the schedule of events. Times are tentative and subject to modification/change. I'll move this down to a TXMoMe section below in the coming weeks and update there as necessary.

Friday, 10/18
Rifle Program
8am - 10am: Rifle Clinic (carport)
10am - 11am: Combined Range and Safety Briefing - Mandatory for Friday Arrivals! (carport)
11:30am - 1pm: Rifle Clinic, Intro to Wind Estimation (rifle range)
1pm - 4pm: Live fire (rifle range - targets to 1,000 yds)

Handgun Program
10am - 11am: Combined Range and Safety Briefing - Mandatory for Friday Arrivals! (carport)
11:00am - 12:30pm: Handgun Clinic (carport)
1pm - 2:30pm: Static live fire (pistol range)
1pm - 3pm: A clean gun is a happy gun (carport)
2:30 - 4pm: Briefing and Move & Shoot live fire (pistol range)

Saturday, 10/19
Rifle Program
9am - 10am: Combined Range and Safety Briefing - Mandatory for Saturday arrivals! (carport)
9am - 1pm: Live fire (rifle range)

Handgun Program
9am - 10am: Range and Safety Briefing - Mandatory for Saturday arrivals! (carport)
10am - Noon: A clean gun is a happy gun (carport)
9am - 1pm: Live fire (pistol range)

Again, these times are approximate and programs may change as weather conditions and participation warrant.

You will note there are combined rifle and handgun range safety briefings both days and attendance at one is mandatory. We take your safety seriously and ask everyone who plans to shoot to please also plan on attending this important briefing. All shooters are asked to check in with an RSO (sporting an Orange Cap of Dorkiness for easy identification) upon your arrival at either of the ranges who will answer questions and direct you to an open firing position. The RSOs wield unspeakable power so it is in your best interest to be nice to them.

If you are a novice shooter, or even have never been to the range before and think guns are icky, you are welcome to shoot! Just see an RSO and they will set you up with an experienced shooter to help you. If you miss the mandatory range safety briefing which is mandatory and must be attended, all is not lost. See an RSO to plead your case, be harangued and chastised, and then spend some punishment time on the Disciplinary Range of Shame. In the interests of time and to save yourself the humiliation, please make it to the scheduled range briefings. Thanks.

Finally, please plan on stopping somewhere along your way to Texas and picking up some ammunition if you plan to shoot and aren't bringing your own weapons. Everyone is very generous with sharing, but please don't rely on the generosity of others to provide everything for you. You can really help out by grabbing a box of 9mm or 5.56mm or whatever you want to shoot.

Call for Volunteers
Help! As I mentioned above, the shooting program in Texas continues to grow, and we wouldn't be able to do it without a lot of help. If you're interested in lending a hand in some capacity, please drop me a note at gunthread at protonmail dot com indicating your date and time of arrival, and we'll be in touch. Thank You!

RSOs from prior years: Expect an email from me soon.

If you are attending the TXMoMe this year, and all the cool kids are, please keep an eye on this section for important information and updates in the coming weeks! I also want to reiterate the TXMoMe is not a gun thing with some socializing attached, but rather is a social thing with some shooting attached. If you aren't a shooter, I guarantee you will not feel out of place and will have a great time. No fooling!

Are all y'all getting excited? Weasel are!!

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Gun Basics 101
New video from the She Equips Herself gal! This week's video is on concealed carry for women.

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Cigar of the Week

090824 rhomb Oliva Serie O Maduro scaled.jpg

This week our pal rhomboid scores again with this excellent review of the Olivia Serie O Maduro

Oliva is rightly celebrated for their wide-ranging catalog of quality cigars, and their moderate pricing. One of their longest running and best values is the Serie O, a basic habano-wrapped stick that delivers a lot of value. I reviewed that one here long ago, today I take a look at its brother the Serie O Maduro (robusto, 5X50). It's a handsome dark chocolate colored stick with a slight toothy wrapper, that wrapper being a US-sourced Connecticut broadleaf. Nicaraguan binder and fillers lie inside.
For me this was a maduro dominated by earth and wood notes - with just a bare hint of bitter chocolate at times - and not the overall sweetness and cocoa flavors I find in many maduros. It kept this pleasant mix of flavors throughout. Smoke was ample. Burn line alternated between razor straight and needing some attention. True to form for Oliva, this nice cigar is not expensive. They can be found online for $5 (and along with other Oliva offerings, often for even less, when on sale and in bonus packs or samplers).

Excellent, rhomboid! Thank you!

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Disaster Strikes!

Oh dear. A calamity! El cigaro factorio es en fuego!

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Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar.

Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com
Nicks Cigar World New!

A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid

Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!

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Ammo Link-O-Rama
I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop
American Elite Ammo NEW!

***Mail Bag***

This week's mailbag entry is from our pal Biden's Dog. Great one!

Nerfing of the gun emoji matches rise of the woke mind virus, as a core tenet is equating fake harm with real harm pic.twitter.com/Mhx2HjcES9
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) August 20, 2024

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 st!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 08, 2024 07:00 PM (Wnv9h)

2 BOOM!!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 08, 2024 07:00 PM (0XVad)

3 Good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at September 08, 2024 07:00 PM (fwDg9)

4 Cease fire, to much smoke in here

Posted by: Skip at September 08, 2024 07:01 PM (fwDg9)

5 Grey and boxy!

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 08, 2024 07:01 PM (QNSds)

6 Bang

Posted by: Eromero at September 08, 2024 07:01 PM (pqc5d)

7 No range time, but on long commute home tomorrow there is a gun shop with a indoor range, but mostly need a 12ga cleaning rod so will stop and see.

Posted by: Skip at September 08, 2024 07:03 PM (fwDg9)

8 I feel very grey

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 08, 2024 07:03 PM (0XVad)

9 Weasel, you have another volunteer. Will arrive early so you can direct

Posted by: Ben Had at September 08, 2024 07:04 PM (I1GXe)

10 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at September 08, 2024 07:04 PM (yRXSd)

11 That one monster gub under the mammoth tusk was labeled as a Borchardt. 1.0 caliber, iirc. Massive muzzle break. And yes...I do have the same Unertl target scope that's mounted on it.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 08, 2024 07:05 PM (Wnv9h)

12 Here!
But dining for a bit.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 07:05 PM (YL2RG)

13 Scoob! Red!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 08, 2024 07:05 PM (Wnv9h)

14 Evening, Horde...How goes it?

I think of the Gun Thread as the "Grade Assignments" thread these days...So that's what I'll be doing while taking a break every so often to catch up on the thread...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 08, 2024 07:07 PM (BpYfr)

15 I have a thing for 30/30 lever action carbines.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 08, 2024 07:08 PM (I1GXe)

16 Elon rocks but TBH, I like the 2013 Google one the best.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 08, 2024 07:09 PM (/y8xj)

17 Isn't a 1,000 yards a bit long for a move & shoot??

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 08, 2024 07:09 PM (CEzQx)

18 Isn't a 1,000 yards a bit long for a move & shoot??

Not if you're cavalry.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 08, 2024 07:11 PM (/y8xj)

19 Nice pics RMBS. What was the make and model of the green car? I like that style. Oh, and I liked that Maxim just leaning against the wall. :-)

There is a range report.
Went with my nephew and his cousin to the range on Friday and met up with CBD for a bit.
Took my newest acquisition for spin. Sig Sauer 1911XFull in .45 with a red dot. Put around 90 rounds down range getting a feel for it. And I LOVE it.
Being it is single stack it fits my hand soooo much better. It is a SAO only and the trigger felt great. CBD felt a little creep in it but I was not noticing. :-) CBD also noticed I had some tension in my thumbs that was effecting my accuracy a bit. Something I will need to work on.
But the firearm performed flawlessly and I am quite satisfied with it. I hope to hit the range once more before Texas in October and I need to get more .45 ammo. Might make a trip to Cabela's in PA for that.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 08, 2024 07:11 PM (0XVad)

20 andycanuck, it's the you can run but will just die tired range.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 08, 2024 07:11 PM (I1GXe)

21 Democrat voting gun nuts. They are a dwindling number but there are still more than a few. Like white dudes in labor unions. The last to know.

Posted by: hart at September 08, 2024 07:14 PM (H2zSJ)

22 I have a thing for 30/30 lever action carbines.
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I was at a Toronto-area gun show on Saturday and a friend was trying to convince me to get a lever-action rifle too instead of a semi or a tactical shotgun.

There were also revolver shotguns there; and long-barreled revolver carbines like bottom one in photo #5.

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 08, 2024 07:14 PM (CEzQx)

23 Last time I was in the pawn shop for movies the .50 hand cannon was no longer there.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 08, 2024 07:17 PM (I1GXe)

24 I think I know the next firearm I would like to acquire. An M1 Garand.

Went on the CMP website but was not finding it friendly in seeing what was available. Reading the info on their website makes me want to look at a Service Grade rifle.

Any info from the horde would be greatly appreciated.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 08, 2024 07:19 PM (0XVad)

25 Good afternoon/evening.

Thanks again, weasel!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 08, 2024 07:22 PM (tT6L1)

26 38 days!!!

Posted by: Ben Had at September 08, 2024 07:22 PM (I1GXe)

27 Howdy blake!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 07:22 PM (uGpeQ)

28 Hmmm, seems to be a slow night. Everyone fall asleep after dinner? ;-)

Weasel, how is the ankle doing?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 08, 2024 07:23 PM (0XVad)

29 Thanks for today's girthy Gun Thread Weasel!

And the pictures are great, thanks.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 08, 2024 07:24 PM (jP4Fm)

30 Gub!

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 08, 2024 07:26 PM (mH6SG)

31 Scuba, will you be in TX? If so, probably can find a few people who can give you all the information you need, and then some, about CMP purchases.

One prerequisite for purchase from CMP is membership in a CMP affiliated shooting club.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 08, 2024 07:26 PM (tT6L1)

32 Weasel, how is the ankle doing?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 08, 2024 07:23 PM (0XVad)
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A little better, thanks for asking. I think I may be able to put a shoe on tomorrow, which I need to be able to do in order to go to the dentist and have a crown glued back onto a tooth nub.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 07:26 PM (uGpeQ)

33 Scuba, I am not current on CMP offerings, but both my M1s are Service Grade, and they’re very nice.

I followed advice of long time CMP customers and attached a sticky note to my paperwork requesting GI wood, and both stocks are beautiful. Dark, 1950s provenance (like the receivers), just enough dings and wear for “character “.

Keeping in mind that I am a zealot, I say you can’t go wrong getting an M1 from CMP. Again, not what’s changed if anything, but Service Grade is a good deal. The other traditional sticky note request is for a WWII receiver. Not sure if those “secret menu” items still work.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 07:27 PM (bAH4u)

34 At the debate Trump is going to be asked about "gun violence" how should he respond? Not for us, but for the overwhelming number of dolts who comprise the current electorate.

Posted by: hart at September 08, 2024 07:27 PM (H2zSJ)

35 Nice cigar review.
Never had a bad Olivia.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 08, 2024 07:27 PM (W/lyH)

36 F-16 Demo Over San Francisco Bay
100% badass.

It always surprises me a bit how abrupt the rotation is in the takeoff. Cool stuff.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 08, 2024 07:27 PM (mH6SG)

37 31 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 08, 2024 07:26 PM

Oh I will be there blake. :-) Looking forward to it.
Need to do one or two things to the car before the trip, like buy a new set of tires and an oil change. ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 08, 2024 07:28 PM (0XVad)

38 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 08, 2024 07:19 PM (0XVad)

If you navigate from the main page to the M1 Garand web page (via the link), you should see a link for "Ordering Information." You should see everything you need to know about how to order. They do warn you that it could be MONTHS before they can fill your order. For that reason, credit cards are preferred - the charge doesn't hit your card until the rifle ships.

Posted by: Ed L at September 08, 2024 07:28 PM (yRXSd)

39 Posted by: hart at September 08, 2024 07:27 PM (H2zSJ)
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Howdy and welcome to the Gun Thread, hart. What sort of shooting do you like to do?

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 07:29 PM (uGpeQ)

40 Weasel, sorry about the loss of your crown. Word to the wise, do not put the crown back using super glue. I had an uncle who did that. The dentist had a terrible time getting the crown off when my uncle finally made it in to get the crown worked on.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 08, 2024 07:29 PM (tT6L1)

41 Scuba, will you be in TX? If so, probably can find a few people who can give you all the information you need, and then some, about CMP purchases.

One prerequisite for purchase from CMP is membership in a CMP affiliated shooting club.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 08, 2024 07:26 PM

They changed that some years back for Veterans. A DD 214 satisfied the gun club requirement. Having said that, my information is from decades back and they could have changed it again. It's best to check the website for up to date requirements.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 08, 2024 07:29 PM (QNSds)

42 I was able to put a total of about 300 rounds through the (relatively) new SA-35 this week. It digested everything I fed it without a hiccup. I was still having trouble mastering the trigger, though, until I took a step back and did some analyzin'. It has a long reset. I was allowing the trigger to go past the point of reset, all the way to the end of travel, and the pad of my finger was actually coming off of the trigger. Once I realized what I was doing, I made corrections, and my trigger press and control improved substantially. I still find myself slapping the trigger occasionally unless I really concentrate. Fundamentals for the win!

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 08, 2024 07:29 PM (3rnQf)

43 Yikes about the tooth. I've had a toothache for a few weeks now, finally getting to see the oral surgeon on Wednesday.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 08, 2024 07:30 PM (CHHv1)

44 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 08, 2024 07:29 PM (tT6L1)
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Thanks. I think I'll let the dentist do that!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 07:31 PM (uGpeQ)

45 Hi y'all.

cost does not equal "better."
This is true. And, even beyond "what you want the gun to do" an issue is "How well can you shoot?"

This isn't to say that you should accept crappy shooting and just buy cheapo firearms. But, spending $15,000 on an AR barrel that can shoot .1 MOA at 1,000 yards is kinda silly if you can't even shoot sub-3-MOA groups on the 50yd range. If you improve to the point that you feel like your weapon is your limitation, then feel free to move on up, as George Jefferson would say. But your fancy scope and expensive barrel aren't going to help you if your fundamentals don't point the gun where it needs to be and smoothly operate the mechanism.

I think there was a movie or tv show where someone was complaining (probably a cop or military person) who was complaining their firearm was inadequate. The boss/hero walks up, takes their weapon and casually and rapidly shoots out the bullseye. Then hands it back and walks away, saying, "Nope. The gun's fine."
(I want to say at least one occurrence was a John Wayne film about WW2.)

Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 07:31 PM (CrXxA)

46 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 08, 2024 07:11 PM

Scoob, the green car is a '34 Ford V8. I'll have better quality pics to share in Corsicana.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 08, 2024 07:31 PM (Wnv9h)

47 "I followed advice of long time CMP customers and attached a sticky note to my paperwork requesting GI wood, and both stocks are beautiful. "

I did not do that and got a brand new unblemished stock. I made every scratch on it. It's a beautiful stock but I would like to have an original one.

I've tried to darken it by various methods but it's no where near what a 50+ year old one would be.

Posted by: fd at September 08, 2024 07:31 PM (vFG9F)

48 And, RMBS, really cool photos! Thanks for bringing us that!

Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 07:32 PM (CrXxA)

49 OT but not political...

Bass guitarist Herbie Flowers, who played with David Bowie, Lou Reed and others, dies at 86.

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 08, 2024 07:33 PM (CEzQx)

50 That Aganorsa fire was unfortunate, but they’re one of the largest growers of leaf in the world, so they should be OK. Not of direct interest for me, but wonder if the huge storm damage in Cuba’s Pinar del Rio province (main tobacco area) a few years back is now affecting production and prices there. (a couple year lag, as all leaf is processed for a while before using)

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 07:33 PM (bAH4u)

51 RMBS, I like the Gatling gun.

I'll bet Gatling would be amused his idea has been improved on and is far more deadly than he ever dreamed.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 08, 2024 07:33 PM (tT6L1)

52 Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 07:33 PM (bAH4u)
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rhomb-
Perdomo 20th Anniversary Epicure Maduro on fire tonight.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 07:36 PM (uGpeQ)

53 Weasel, having gone through a couple of crown replacements myself, it's not too bad as far as dentist appointments go. Hopefully your nub doesn't require reshaping or reworking to get the crown to fit back on again.

Posted by: Ed L at September 08, 2024 07:36 PM (yRXSd)

54 Good evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and a fundamentally-sound greeting to our host Weasel.

Getting pumped for Corsicana. I have also invited a friend from Houston who is intrigued by the rifle clinic and range.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 08, 2024 07:37 PM (UyrjH)

55 32 Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 07:26 PM

Ouch! Hopefully that is it and you are on the road to recovery with both.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 08, 2024 07:37 PM (0XVad)

56 Weasle I haven't shot for some time. I'd guess ten years or so.

Posted by: hart at September 08, 2024 07:37 PM (H2zSJ)

57 Posted by: Ed L at September 08, 2024 07:36 PM (yRXSd)
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Thanks Ed L. This was actually a replacement for a much older crown that cracked, so I've been through it before.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 07:38 PM (uGpeQ)

58 RMBS, great photos!

Posted by: screaming in digital at September 08, 2024 07:38 PM (iZbyp)

59
Relax, gun nuts.
Kalama isn't anti-gun! She doesn't want to take anyone's guns away!

Yeah, her new plan is a gun "buy back." Except this stupid gun buy-back is going to be different: It's mandatory!

Posted by: Soothsayer bottom lines it for you at September 08, 2024 07:39 PM (VjqEO)

60 Heavy is the head that wears the crown.

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 08, 2024 07:39 PM (CEzQx)

61 Reminder that I'd prefer we leave politics out of the Gun Thread. Thanks for understanding.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 07:40 PM (uGpeQ)

62 Exotic modern calibres.

Did anyone buy into the .224 Valkyrie round or the current 360 Buckhammer?

Are they worth it?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 08, 2024 07:40 PM (aGp5t)

63 Isn't a 1,000 yards a bit long for a move & shoot??

Not if you're cavalry.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 08, 2024 07:11 PM (/y8xj)

OK, now THAT would be an incredibly fun "course" on the ranch! A "cowboy shoot" involving riding and shooting. (And a good prepper for the Burning Times. And they'll be burning times because they got rid of gasoline cars and all the EVs go hot.)

Heck, even a demonstration would be cool!

Also, yes, I would love to learn to ride and shoot. In a kilt with a claymore sword strapped to my saddle. Because I want to be a Scots Cossack.

Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 07:41 PM (CrXxA)

64 And, RMBS, really cool photos! Thanks for bringing us that!
Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 07:32 PM

My pleasure. That's a shooter's happy place.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 08, 2024 07:41 PM (Wnv9h)

65 Our host Weasel has endured a string of misfortunes recently:

1. He broke some structural elements in his foot, and is now clomping around in an ill-fitting boot.

2. This weekend, he attempted to pilfer some of WW's secret fudge stash. The karmic retribution was to pull loose a crown while masticating the fudge. For those who have lost a crown, this is not a pleasant experience.

3. Concerned about additional karmic visitations arising from further fudge snatching, he attempted to indulge himself from FSJ's treat stash. This blatant and brazen act was nipped in the bud by a single bark from FSJ, who is now giving Weasel the stink eye. For those less familiar with Chihuahuas, their eyes appear to bug out a bit, making for a truly stinky stink eye.

The Food Thread comment count is currently at 289.

Given all of the above, what Weasel DOES NOT need right now is yet another 0700 hrs Zoom call from an agitated and cranky Ewok. Comment as if Weasel's mental stability is on the line.

Because it is.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 08, 2024 07:42 PM (a3Q+t)

66
Get it?

kalama isn't going to take away your guns. She's going to BUY your guns. She's not a thief, after all.

See? You'll get paid when you turn in your guns...or when they're taken.

Posted by: Soothsayer bottom lines it for you at September 08, 2024 07:42 PM (VjqEO)

67 Trump War Room @TrumpWarRoom 10h
NBC: Should Kamala try to pass mandatory gun confiscation, which she has repeatedly said she supports?

Top Harris surrogate Raphael Warnock: "We're not going to be able to get where we need to go without action."

NBC: Yes or no?

Warnock: Yes

[Please delete if not in the spirit of the thread.]

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 08, 2024 07:42 PM (CEzQx)

68 Notorious, it is abrupt and surprising, especially if it’s your first experience.

fd, raw or boiled linseed oil + sunlight. The very nice walnut stock on my repro AutoOrdnance M1 carbine started off blond-ish, is now a beautiful rich medium brown. Think I have oiled it 3 times.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 07:42 PM (bAH4u)

69 Posted by: Soothsayer bottom lines it for you at September 08, 2024 07:42 PM (VjqEO)
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Let's leave political discussions for other threads. Thanks.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 07:43 PM (uGpeQ)

70 A little better, thanks for asking. I think I may be able to put a shoe on tomorrow, which I need to be able to do in order to go to the dentist and have a crown glued back onto a tooth nub.
Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 07:26 PM

Been a bumpy few weeks for you, eh amigo? Best of luck to ya.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 08, 2024 07:44 PM (mH6SG)

71 Cossacks?

Interesting quote from the book The Last Hill: The Epic Story of a Ranger Battalion and the Battle that Defined WWII.

"The old saying 'you can't buy a Cossack, but you can rent one.'"

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 08, 2024 07:44 PM (aGp5t)

72 I have a thing for 30/30 lever action carbines.
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 08, 2024 07:14 PM (CEzQx)

Not 30-30, but I have ".357 lever action carbine" on my WANT list. It's one of my top 3-4 priorities.

Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 07:44 PM (CrXxA)

73 A couple weeks back took the biggest little hobbit to the range. He did pretty well (not his first time) but could do better if he slowed down a bit. Teenagers. *shrug*

I'm still struggling with the anticipatory flinch. Afraid I just can't get to the range often enough to effectively put that to bed. Someday...

Posted by: She Hobbit at September 08, 2024 07:44 PM (ftFVW)

74 Heavy is the head that wears the crown.
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 08, 2024 07:39 PM (CEzQx)

Lol yeah

Posted by: hart at September 08, 2024 07:44 PM (H2zSJ)

75 I'll bet Gatling would be amused his idea has been improved on and is far more deadly than he ever dreamed.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 08, 2024 07:33 PM (tT6L1)

It was Gatling himself who came up w/ the idea of replacing the hand crank with an electric motor to achieve a 3,000 rounds per minute rate of fire - in 1893. So, today's Gatling weapons are simply refinements of what the man himself did first over a century before now.

Posted by: Ed L at September 08, 2024 07:44 PM (yRXSd)

76 So, range report: 1,000 yard steel match and 500 yard KYL match.

I failed at both, badly. 1 hit on the thousand yard target and 0 on the 500 yard KYL rack. I finally realized, after I was done, I used data for 500 meters, not 500 yards on the KYL rack. I figured out pretty quickly I was high, but, couldn't find the correct elevation. But, that's how things go some days.

But, redemption did happen. Some of us got got together, put some bucks in a pot and went head to head shooting a dueling tree @ 500 yards. Targets were 6" plates. Yeah, I took their money. Well, half the money. The other half went to the range. Pretty cool beating two guys shooting 300 PRC with the trusty .06.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 08, 2024 07:44 PM (tT6L1)

77 [Please delete if not in the spirit of the thread.]
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 08, 2024 07:42 PM (CEzQx)
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I'd prefer you not post it in the first place.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 07:44 PM (uGpeQ)

78
It's not gun confiscation! Stop spreading misinformation.

It's a Forced Gun BUY BACK.

Why can't you see the difference?

Posted by: Soothsayer bottom lines it for you at September 08, 2024 07:45 PM (VjqEO)

79 RMBS, great photos!
Posted by: screaming in digital at September 08, 2024 07:38 PM

Thanks! More where those came from.

It was a fine, dry, 60-something sunny day up here. Had a good range day with the RMBS Mom. She's getting in shape for Corsicana.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 08, 2024 07:45 PM (Wnv9h)

80 She Hobbit, what are you shooting?

Posted by: Ben Had at September 08, 2024 07:45 PM (I1GXe)

81 It was Gatling himself who came up w/ the idea of replacing the hand crank with an electric motor to achieve a 3,000 rounds per minute rate of fire - in 1893. So, today's Gatling weapons are simply refinements of what the man himself did first over a century before now.
Posted by: Ed L at September 08, 2024 07:44 PM (yRXSd)
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Really? I didn't realize he lived long enough to see the advent of the electric motor. That's very cool.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 08, 2024 07:45 PM (tT6L1)

82 Howdy gun morons. I’m lurking. As usual t. Thought I’d say hey.

Posted by: Biggest Alfredo at September 08, 2024 07:45 PM (WqZKv)

83 Oh bugger this scheis

Stop dropping political turds in Weasel's punchbowl for kami sake.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 08, 2024 07:46 PM (aGp5t)

84 Posted by: Soothsayer bottom lines it for you at September 08, 2024 07:45 PM (VjqEO)
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Stop posting political content on this thread.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 07:47 PM (uGpeQ)

85 Howdy gun morons. I’m lurking. As usual t. Thought I’d say hey.
Posted by: Biggest Alfredo at September 08, 2024 07:45 PM

It's too late. You delurked. You breathed the air. You're compelled to comment now.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 08, 2024 07:47 PM (Wnv9h)

86 Weasel, what would you think about a small reloading demo/seminar? I could bring equipment and components, say for .45 ACP. People could watch, then load up a few and go shoot them. Maybe even more than once.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 08, 2024 07:47 PM (ifggS)

87 Crowns, I have a love hate relationship with them. Love that they replace molars that have seen much better days. Hate the cost of those suckers.

I had one that I almost choked on, it came off while eating tomato soup.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 08, 2024 07:47 PM (jP4Fm)

88 No no no reloading demos please, accidents just waiting to go *boom*

Leave this to the experts that still have all fingers.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 08, 2024 07:48 PM (aGp5t)

89 Weasel, what would you think about a small reloading demo/seminar? I could bring equipment and components, say for .45 ACP. People could watch, then load up a few and go shoot them. Maybe even more than once.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 08, 2024 07:47 PM (ifggS)
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It's a good suggestion and something I have considered, I'm just not sure how we'd fit it in. We can discuss offline if you like.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 07:49 PM (uGpeQ)

90 Model 66 with a 3" barrel >>>>>> Model 66 with a 2.5" barrel.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 08, 2024 07:49 PM (a3Q+t)

91 Weasel, ha! Was about to ask. Those Perdomo anniversary sticks are on my “to try” list. Think there are bourbon barrel aged versions. So how’s it treating you? Two sentence review?

Alec & Bradley Kintsugi here. These things just never miss. Nice overall sweetness. Hottest day of the year but a slight breeze.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 07:49 PM (bAH4u)

92 I think I know the next firearm I would like to acquire. An M1 Garand.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 08, 2024 07:19 PM (0XVad)

From recent personal experience....

First, spend time looking at the paperwork and understanding it. Yes, you will have to pill out actual PAPERwork. (Send via certified mail!)

Second, you have to find the list of weapons available, which it seems you did. Read the descriptions really carefully. But, generally, the more expensive, the more "original" they are. The one I got was Expert Grade, and it appears to be an almost new rifle, with new stocks and such.

Also, double-check limitations on NY. CMP ships directly to your home (hence the paperwork - they do your background check there, instead of an FFL) and NYC might have conniptions about that.

Watch for a FedEx notice. They never emailed me about receipt of the paperwork or anything. Just one day I got a FedEx notice, and a few days later they delivered it (and it requires signature). 1/2

Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 07:50 PM (CrXxA)

93 Everything is political. They did this. We didn't want it.

Posted by: hart at September 08, 2024 07:51 PM (H2zSJ)

94 Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 07:49 PM (bAH4u)
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I like them! Nice and strong but it keeps wanting to go out.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 07:51 PM (uGpeQ)

95 Ben Had! Big hugs!

Been shooting a Glock 26 gen 5.

Just to get it out of the way for all the 'rons, yes Glock, yes 9 mm. I'm immune to all the flames.

Posted by: She Hobbit at September 08, 2024 07:52 PM (ftFVW)

96 I think I know the next firearm I would like to acquire. An M1 Garand.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 08, 2024 07:19 PM (0XVad)

Also, make sure you look at their list of clubs of which you must be a member. I joined the Garand Club (it's now like $35/year and you get 4 glossy mags a year with the sort of article Ed L and whig write when you ask questions here) as the least expensive option.
2/2

Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 07:52 PM (CrXxA)

97 Everything is political. They did this. We didn't want it.
Posted by: hart at September 08, 2024 07:51 PM (H2zSJ)
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Not this thread.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 07:53 PM (uGpeQ)

98 Just to get it out of the way for all the 'rons, yes Glock, yes 9 mm. I'm immune to all the flames.
Posted by: She Hobbit at September 08, 2024 07:52 PM (ftFVW)
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As a 1911 guy, I applaud your choice of pistol. Simple, rugged and reliable. Elegant? Nope. But, will a Gock get the job done when the chips are down? Oh yeah.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 08, 2024 07:54 PM (tT6L1)

99 Not this thread.
Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 07:53 PM (uGpeQ)

The 100 rule?

Posted by: hart at September 08, 2024 07:54 PM (H2zSJ)

100 I’m back. Dinner was great, thankyouverymuch. Yes, I cooked.
Now, Range Report. But weird!
I was reading articles this morning and one author had a series of posts about hunting for family survival in The Burning Times. He said many families did this in the Great Depression and went through lots of caliber talk, from .22 to Aught Six.
Anyway, I realized that I have been neglecting my hunting rifles in the effort to do micrometer hole spacing. More …

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 07:55 PM (YL2RG)

101 The 100 rule?
Posted by: hart at September 08, 2024 07:54 PM (H2zSJ)

Be more like the 1000 Rule here!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at September 08, 2024 07:55 PM (hOUT3)

102 They do warn you that it could be MONTHS before they can fill your order.
Posted by: Ed L at September 08, 2024 07:28 PM (yRXSd)

Mine only took like 6 weeks. I was kinda amazed. (Especially since they didn't send me any notice they received my paperwork.)

Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 07:55 PM (CrXxA)

103 She Hobbit, how about we have you shoot 10 rounds with a .22 first then go back to the 9 and keep interspercing it. Might help with the flinch.

Big hug, darlin

Posted by: Ben Had at September 08, 2024 07:56 PM (I1GXe)

104 The 100 rule?
Posted by: hart at September 08, 2024 07:54 PM (H2zSJ)
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This isn't a request, or a discussion, or a negotiation. Do not post political comments on the Gun Thread.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 07:56 PM (uGpeQ)

105 Apparently, some need a Clue x 4 or a Clue Tank

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 08, 2024 07:56 PM (aGp5t)

106 Also, yes, I would love to learn to ride and shoot. In a kilt with a claymore sword strapped to my saddle. Because I want to be a Scots Cossack.
Posted by: GWB
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I saw a large, green haired man in a kilt at H‑E‑B riding a mobility scooter .... almost the same thing, right???///

Posted by: lin-duh at September 08, 2024 07:56 PM (VCgbV)

107 Really? I didn't realize he lived long enough to see the advent of the electric motor. That's very cool.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 08, 2024 07:45 PM (tT6L1)

Post WWII, the first experiments of Project Vulcan (which eventually produced the M61 Vulcan cannon) involved dragging an old Gatling gun out of museum storage, attaching a belt from a modern electric motor to turn the crank, and attempting to duplicate what Gatling did over 50 years before, but with more modern equipment. After that proof of concept, everything afterward was really refining the new weapon to fit in modern jet fighters.

Posted by: Ed L at September 08, 2024 07:56 PM (yRXSd)

108 92 Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 07:50 PM

I know if I buy one I will have to have it shipped to an FFL. That is not a problem. The range I belong to might be able to help me with belonging to a CMP affiliated program.

I think I might wait until I get down to Texas and talk with others down there that are familiar with the process. Heck maybe even fill out most of the paperwork there. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 08, 2024 07:56 PM (0XVad)

109 Thanks for the Gun thread Weasel! I did buy a rifle mount for my Vortex Radian ball mount tripod so looking forward to trying that out. Shooting prone when you re over 29 sucks when you have a plate in your neck.

Posted by: DBCooper at September 08, 2024 07:57 PM (y1Mvi)

110 A DD 214 satisfied the gun club requirement. Having said that,
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 08, 2024 07:29 PM (QNSds)

The DD214 isn't for the club requirement. It's for the "active firearms enthusiast" requirement. You can also use a concealed carry permit. I don't know if Scoob's recent acquisition paperwork would count or not - would have to look.

Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 07:58 PM (CrXxA)

111 After that proof of concept, everything afterward was really refining the new weapon to fit in modern jet fighters.
Posted by: Ed L at September 08, 2024 07:56 PM (yRXSd)
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If memory serves, one of the biggest hurdles to overcome was stopping and starting ammo.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 08, 2024 07:58 PM (tT6L1)

112 Posted by: DBCooper at September 08, 2024 07:57 PM (y1Mvi)
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Nice! Let us know how you like it!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 07:58 PM (uGpeQ)

113 95 , yes Glock, yes 9 mm. I'm immune to all the flames.

Posted by: She Hobbit at September 08, 2024 07:52 PM

Even though I currently only own Sig Sauer handguns, I have no animosity towards Glock. I intend to own one eventually.
If you like it and it works, that is all that matters.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 08, 2024 07:59 PM (0XVad)

114 Scoob, if you ask real plaintively Rancherbob might let you try his.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 08, 2024 07:59 PM (I1GXe)

115 I saw a large, green haired man in a kilt at H‑E‑B riding a mobility scooter .... almost the same thing, right???///
Posted by: lin-duh at September 08, 2024 07:56 PM (VCgbV)
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Mobility scooter jousting!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 08, 2024 07:59 PM (tT6L1)

116 She Hobbit, how about we have you shoot 10 rounds with a .22 first then go back to the 9 and keep interspercing it. Might help with the flinch.

Big hug, darlin
Posted by: Ben Had

That's a good idea. I did start with .22 last time, as much for the boy as myself, but didn't try alternating throughout.

Didn't used to have this problem, but years of gap took their toll.

Posted by: She Hobbit at September 08, 2024 08:00 PM (ftFVW)

117 Posted by: Oddbob at September 08, 2024 07:47 PM (ifggS)

Speaking of reloading, I find myself in possession of a substantial amount (at least half a shit ton) of expended brass and have just about decided to pull the pin (heh) and start to reload. Weasel, do you have a link to the gun threads in which you offered reloading tips for newbies? They were about a year ago, as I recall.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 08, 2024 08:00 PM (3rnQf)

118 How about we just play the video game Joust?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 08, 2024 08:00 PM (aGp5t)

119 DB Cooper, Hello !!!!

Posted by: Ben Had at September 08, 2024 08:00 PM (I1GXe)

120 Just to get it out of the way for all the 'rons, yes Glock, yes 9 mm. I'm immune to all the flames.
Posted by: She Hobbit at September 08, 2024 07:52 PM (ftFVW)

What matters is if you can put holes in the X-ring. If you can do it, who cares what tool you use to do it with?

Posted by: Ed L at September 08, 2024 08:00 PM (yRXSd)

121 How about we just play the video game Joust?
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 08, 2024 08:00 PM (aGp5t)
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Carpal tunnel injuries just don't compare to the possibility of real blood and gore.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 08, 2024 08:01 PM (tT6L1)

122 24 ... Scuba Dude,

My last Garand was a service grade. This was several years ago. It came with a NOS stock and barrel. Essentially, I had a new rifle except for the receiver. I believe any service grade rifle would be safe, reliable and decently accurate. It certainly exceeds my casual target shooting needs. If you are looking for something for competition, you may have to go up to a higher level. Weasel would likely know more about that.

Posted by: JTB at September 08, 2024 08:01 PM (zudum)

123 So, I dredged up my Savage Axis .06 and my Remington 7400 .243 from the bottom of the lake.
I was looking around the basement for .06 ammo and realized I only had xxxx rounds of 150 for the Garand. And the Savage hates it.
I actually had to stop at the Wall of Marts to buy ammo! More …

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 08:02 PM (YL2RG)

124 Just to get it out of the way for all the 'rons, yes Glock, yes 9 mm. I'm immune to all the flames.
Posted by: She Hobbit at September 08, 2024 07:52 PM (ftFVW)

What matters is if you can put holes in the X-ring. If you can do it, who cares what tool you use to do it with?
Posted by: Ed L at September 08, 2024 08:00 PM (yRXSd)
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Yep.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 08, 2024 08:02 PM (tT6L1)

125 Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 08, 2024 08:00 PM (3rnQf)
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I think I may have made a PDF out of them. Send me an email. I always encourage new reloaders to purchase a reloading book and read it.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 08:02 PM (uGpeQ)

126 You as the buyer need to find the balance between cost, features, and what you want the rifle to do.

.. replace "rifle" with "laptop" and the statement is still good

Posted by: SMOD at September 08, 2024 08:02 PM (GITLP)

127 Hi Ben Had! You are quite busy, I see!

Posted by: DBCooper at September 08, 2024 08:03 PM (y1Mvi)

128 It's a good suggestion and something I have considered, I'm just not sure how we'd fit it in. We can discuss offline if you like.

I'll write up some details in the next day or two and mail you at the address above.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 08, 2024 08:03 PM (BBFXB)

129 1/2 An on topic discussion.
Took the once-accursed Glock (long story) to the range for DaughterH to try out. Whilst attempting to demonstrate the Glock essential, I had a failure to feed. This was after several magazines worth of zero problems. Good training diversion, so I cleared the weapon, ejected the mag, examined the cartridges for duds, found none so reloaded the magazine, and voila, encountered yet another feed problem. A cursory inspection did not indicate an obvious magazine, but I retired it from range use and the Glock kept on doing fine with other magazines and same ammunition.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at September 08, 2024 08:03 PM (hOUT3)

130 Are they worth it?
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 08, 2024 07:40 PM (aGp5t)

Maybe for a reloader. Or if you know a reloader. Any "exotic" round should be looked at in terms of buying a bunch of brass and reloading for the rest of your life using it. Or so people hereabouts tell me.

(I have a certain amount of caliber creep I'm aiming for, then no more.)

Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 08:04 PM (CrXxA)

131 DB Cooper , never to busy to say hello to you.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 08, 2024 08:04 PM (I1GXe)

132 114 Scoob, if you ask real plaintively Rancherbob might let you try his.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 08, 2024 07:59 PM

The first time I ever shot a Garand was when CBD let me shoot his. It is on video that immediately after pressing the trigger the round went off and the entire trigger assembly dropped out of the gun. I though OMG!!! I broke it!!!! LOL

Rancherbob might be a little wary letting me near his. ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 08, 2024 08:04 PM (0XVad)

133 95 Ben Had! Big hugs!

Been shooting a Glock 26 gen 5.

Just to get it out of the way for all the 'rons, yes Glock, yes 9 mm. I'm immune to all the flames.
Posted by: She Hobbit at September 08, 2024 07:52 PM (ftFVW)
First Glock I ever bought was a G26 with CT (yes, I already owned a Colt .45acp) and (yes, I have many Glocks). Simply put, Glocks work. Just back from evening service with SA35.

Posted by: Eromero at September 08, 2024 08:04 PM (LHPAg)

134 What's the best carry piece for a wheelchair bound cripple?

Posted by: hart at September 08, 2024 08:05 PM (H2zSJ)

135 @ hart, the best carry weapon is the one which functions reliably and you can consistently put rounds in the x ring with.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 08, 2024 08:06 PM (tT6L1)

136 Posted by: hart at September 08, 2024 08:05 PM (H2zSJ)
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Is your plan to simply be disruptive?

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 08:07 PM (uGpeQ)

137 Weasel, for the clean gun is a happy gun, I can bring Wipe Out and such. Along with "dirty" toys. ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 08, 2024 08:07 PM (0XVad)

138 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 08, 2024 07:58 PM (tT6L1)

Yep. The USAF had to go to linkless ammo because the links jammed the gun after the rounds were stripped from them. That's the reason why today's Vulcan cannons are M61A1s, not M61s. Also, the early installations of the gun on the F-4s in Vietnam weren't properly tied into the Phantom's gunsights. Shooting the Vulcan meant the pilot literally had to "spray and pray" in a dogfight w/ MiGs. Some F-4 pilots would mount as many as three gun pods on the F-4's hard points to increase their firepower and the odds that a 20mm shell would connect with their quarry. That's not an F-4 I'd want coming after me on a strafing run.

Posted by: Ed L at September 08, 2024 08:08 PM (yRXSd)

139 2/2 The lesson from last week was that good mags are cheap at the price, as you do not want to be playing games with a failure to feed when under duress.
An aspect of this lesson that was reinforced to me was that numbering (or uniquely marking) magazines is a worthwhile use of your time, as it makes it easy to sequester a potentially bad mag for later analysis.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at September 08, 2024 08:08 PM (hOUT3)

140 Good evening gubthreaders and all the ships at sea. I am late to the festivities as I was doing an acetastic activity, building shelves. And not just knocking together some Ikea product.

Well, actually, it was Ikea product. But it got repurposed from one location to another and the width was just a little too narrow for one of the shelf extensions, and it used a very particular end cut and Ikea only bracket that I had to replicate when shortening the shelves.

But the shelving is done (Narrator: the shelving is never done.) and now onto gun stuff.

(Oh, part of this shelving rearrangement is to make some space for an actual, bigger gun safe, so this post is gun adjacent.)

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 08, 2024 08:08 PM (QfvaV)

141 Does CBD have more guns or kitchen knives?

Posted by: Ben Had at September 08, 2024 08:09 PM (I1GXe)

142 I think I may have made a PDF out of them. Send me an email. I always encourage new reloaders to purchase a reloading book and read it.
Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 08:02 PM (uGpeQ)

Email on the way. I'm one of those geeks who always reads the directions, so reloading manuals are definitely on the list.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 08, 2024 08:10 PM (3rnQf)

143 "The old saying 'you can't buy a Cossack, but you can rent one.'"
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 08, 2024 07:44 PM (aGp5t)

Yeah, an interesting history of those people. I won't go any further for fear of crossing the line into modern day politics. But they were known for being good at riding and shooting.

(A crossover with the Book Thread: Wolf of the Steppes, by Harold Lamb is a bunch of stories about a wandering Cossack. Some shooting and sword swinging and adventure stuff.)

Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 08:10 PM (CrXxA)

144 Did anyone buy into the .224 Valkyrie round or the current 360 Buckhammer?
I looked long and hard into the 224 Valkyrie , it seems like a cobbled together operation and all the guys I watched build them seemed to have problems making them shoot well. When the 22 ARC came out it was right up my alley. Like the Creedmoor's, PRC's and the 6mm ARC the new Hornady systems are designed from the ground up and just work, right off the bat. I have 2 24" 22 ARC's and can't say enough good about them!! At 600 yards they're right between my 6 Creedmoor's and my 6.5 Creedmoor's. That is spectacular for an AR-15 peashooter!!

Posted by: ck at September 08, 2024 08:10 PM (nMOLw)

145 Just don't bring THIS Gun Oil:

https://a.co/d/1snUSpu

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 08, 2024 08:10 PM (QfvaV)

146 Got to the range and started with the savage. Good thing I put up two targets side by each. It was shooting 12” right and 6” low! How can that happen just lying in the water for years? Turtles f*cking with me?
Put a dozen rounds through, but all I got was paper plate grouping at 100 yards. I’m not sure that will put venison on the table in The Burning Times. Realized that it does have a substantial kick, especially with a light plastic stock. Ouchees.
More …

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 08:11 PM (YL2RG)

147 Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 08, 2024 08:10 PM (3rnQf)
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The Hornady manual is a good place to start.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 08:11 PM (uGpeQ)

148 Model 19 (blued version of Model 66) snubby was long my grail revolver. Who knows I might still jump on one if it comes along. For now I need to shoot what I already own a *lot* more.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 08:13 PM (bAH4u)

149 Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 08:13 PM (bAH4u)
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The Model 19 is a great gun!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 08:14 PM (uGpeQ)

150 Started the inventory of the arms room (my shop).
Initial impression is I don't have enough of anything.
I also might have some form of a .45 as for some reason I bought 300 rounds for it/one at some point.
I don't think I own a .45 but who knows.
I'll find out when I find the keys to the safe it would/might be in.
Can't find my duffle bag of .22lr, might be in said safe.
I've let this mess get WAY too far gone.
It's like playing Tetris with all the blocks fillled. When I want to move something there isn't any place to put it.

Posted by: Reforger at September 08, 2024 08:14 PM (xcIvR)

151 Here's an astonishing gun related fact I learned just yesterday. In the DC area there is a Shooting Sports and Fitness Club called XCal. Well, that part I knew. I had the opportunity to shoot there yesterday and I saw for a special line and a few other things for "Founder" and "APEX" members.

Too late to become a founder, but one can become an APEX member. The initiation fee is a mere $10,000. And then the monthly fee is $300. Of course there are lots of goodies that go along with it but YIKES!

Well, it does afford one access to their cigar lounge, so there is that, I guess.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 08, 2024 08:14 PM (QfvaV)

152 I think I might wait until I get down to Texas and talk with others down there that are familiar with the process.

Honestly it's not that bad. When I got my first one from the DCM, the predecessor of the CMP, you needed to send in fingerprints on official FBI forms and the whole thing took about a year.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 08, 2024 08:16 PM (8rbXZ)

153 Heed Weasel’s wisdom, o intending reloaders. I read the Lyman and Lee manuals thoroughly before buying my first bit of gear. And depending on your location/market, always check to buy used first. Most reloading gear is industrial style, will outlast you, and great savings are often easy to find.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 08:16 PM (bAH4u)

154 I saw a large, green haired man in a kilt at H‑E‑B riding a mobility scooter .... almost the same thing, right???///
Posted by: lin-duh at September 08, 2024 07:56 PM (VCgbV)

Only if he had a sword and a rifle!

Of course, we could have our own Virginia Organic Tree Farming Cossack, with Weasel riding a John Deere, wielding an M1, an Uzi, and a katana!

Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 08:16 PM (CrXxA)

155 I picked up five PMAG 5.56 magazines [30s pinned to 5, as for NYS] at the gun show.

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 08, 2024 08:16 PM (CEzQx)

156 Well, it does afford one access to their cigar lounge, so there is that, I guess.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 08, 2024 08:14 PM (QfvaV)

A $10k initiation fee is a pretty good way to keep the riff-raff out.

Posted by: Ed L at September 08, 2024 08:17 PM (yRXSd)

157 Rhomboid would like some knowledge. One handgun one long gun.

Posted by: hart at September 08, 2024 08:17 PM (H2zSJ)

158 A $10k initiation fee is a pretty good way to keep the riff-raff out.
Posted by: Ed L at September 08, 2024 08:17 PM (yRXSd)
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Or just do what I did and buy a farm.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 08:18 PM (uGpeQ)

159 Good evening all and thanks again Weasel. No range time but a lot of .45 Colt was reloaded this weekend. Have a great week everyone!

Posted by: Coelacanth at September 08, 2024 08:18 PM (W+ZkI)

160 The Hornady manual is a good place to start.
Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 08:11 PM (uGpeQ)

Single stage press to start with?

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 08, 2024 08:20 PM (3rnQf)

161 Or just do what I did and buy a farm.
Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 08:18 PM

The farm has a cigar lounge? Jealous.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 08, 2024 08:20 PM (Wnv9h)

162 Posted by: Coelacanth at September 08, 2024 08:18 PM (W+ZkI)
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Nice! And good to see you!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 08:20 PM (uGpeQ)

163 It's like playing Tetris with all the blocks fillled. When I want to move something there isn't any place to put it.
Posted by: Reforger at September 08, 2024 08:14 PM (xcIvR)

I was digging around in my overflowing garage and found $400 worth of gunpowder that I had forgotten I had. Of course, I only paid $200 for it when I bought it a few years ago.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at September 08, 2024 08:20 PM (4N1cO)

164 My Model 66 (4 inch) is my main/match revolver. Perfect balance. “Trigger job” is years of use - light enough for fun matches, heavy enough for social use. A ‘93 production, it’s been back to Smith just once (broken hand, or bolt, can’t recall).

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 08:21 PM (bAH4u)

165 The Model 19 is a great gun!
Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 08:14 PM (uGpeQ)

Does S&W make the Model 19 in the 2.5"-barrel length anymore? I've seen the 4" version new in recent years (I think).

Posted by: Ed L at September 08, 2024 08:21 PM (yRXSd)

166 Put the Rem 7400 on the table and shot it with my best reloads from years past. (This was the rifle on which I started using Weasel’s instructions, and led me down that dark winding path.)
It shot like sh*t.
I remembered that I had put beau coupe rounds through it of very hot flat shooting rounds. It had been very accurate and has taken down a lot of four footed bacon. But it is shot out. Definitely needs a new barrel.
Sad, but it functions very well. Has anyone rebarreled a rifle recently?
More.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 08:21 PM (YL2RG)

167 I think you can go to the CMP store in Aniston and pick out your rifle. Just make a detour on the way home SD.

Posted by: fd at September 08, 2024 08:21 PM (vFG9F)

168 Calling it a night.

Thanks Weasel for a place for us to hang on a Sunday night. Hope the hoof and mouth gets better. ;-)

Night everyone!! Talk to you all next week!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 08, 2024 08:21 PM (0XVad)

169 Weasel, what would you think about a small reloading demo/seminar? I could bring equipment and components, say for .45 ACP. People could watch, then load up a few and go shoot them. Maybe even more than once.
Posted by: Oddbob

Do it with the old school Lee loader that you have to supply your own mallet to wack them with.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 08, 2024 08:22 PM (/lPRQ)

170 The farm has a cigar lounge? Jealous.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState

Isn't that what patios are for?

Alternatively, the farm IS a cigar lounge.

Posted by: She Hobbit at September 08, 2024 08:22 PM (ftFVW)

171 A couple of guys at work who know I am a shooter invited me to go shooting with them, and they wanted to go to XCal. They are younger guys - not yet having achieved 29 for the first time.

They had some decent if a bit odd kit - a P365X with a compensator on an XL frame, a CZ 75 P01 Phantom or Stealth or something, a CZ P07, and a P80 Glock clone.

Young people. Who were not in the military. Who grew up playing video games. Literally one of the guys got into shooting because he had played video games, done Airsoft, and figured it was time to "move up."

It was interesting, to say the least. 1/x

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 08, 2024 08:22 PM (QfvaV)

172 Night, Scoob. Talk to you in the next Gub Thread.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 08, 2024 08:23 PM (Wnv9h)

173 Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 08, 2024 08:20 PM (3rnQf)
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Every single round I have ever reloaded has been on a single stage press. Absolutely!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 08:23 PM (uGpeQ)

174 A $10k initiation fee is a pretty good way to keep the riff-raff out.
Posted by: Ed L at September 08, 2024 08:17 PM (yRXSd)

Keeps me out, so I guess it works!

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 08, 2024 08:23 PM (QfvaV)

175 No range time, but lots of carry time.

I'm really trying to get my mind set for after November 5, carrying to work when it ISNT ALLOWED. Downtown Seattle will be a mess. I have to get to work. I have to be CONCEALED. It's not so much the physics as it is my attitude.

Help?

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 08, 2024 08:23 PM (Oam5E)

176 Isn't that what patios are for?

Alternatively, the farm IS a cigar lounge.
Posted by: She Hobbit at September 08, 2024 08:22 PM

Your points are valid.

*considers cigars to bring to Corsicana*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 08, 2024 08:24 PM (Wnv9h)

177 hart, not exactly clear on your question, but choosing a gun is generally a decision tree of 1) intended purposes or uses 2) personal preferences + skills or limitations 3) cost.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 08:24 PM (bAH4u)

178 Alternatively, the farm IS a cigar lounge.
Posted by: She Hobbit at September 08, 2024 08:22 PM (ftFVW)
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Ask anyone who has been there. Cigar smoking is an integral part of Organic Tree Farming!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 08:24 PM (uGpeQ)

179 Nite Scoob.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 08:25 PM (uGpeQ)

180 Rhomboid if you're still around what would be your essential hand held and long gun? If you could only have two.

Posted by: hart at September 08, 2024 08:26 PM (H2zSJ)

181 nurse, carry during all times you are home, off work and walking on the beach. Pick it up first thing in the morning.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 08, 2024 08:26 PM (I1GXe)

182 Ed L, I think has only the 4-inch* version in their current production Classics line.

* It’s actually 4.25” or something now, apparently for the Canadian market (WTF, over?).

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 08:27 PM (bAH4u)

183 Shooting with the young guys. First, I was busy playing RSO with them. The RSOs at XCal are very unobtrusive. I saw a lot of new shooters there and I was hoping they would be a little more obtrusive.

Anyway, I had to keep reminding the guys of up and downrange, and some other just regular handling things. Thing that cannot be learned from a video game.

Gah.

Second, I had to get them into a plan of action. Go to the range with a plan to shoot, someone told me. They were just going to load their mags up and shoot. I guess its better than nothing. I told them, hey, usually when I have multiple people sharing a lane, we only load 5. And how about we do a one hole drill? 2/x

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 08, 2024 08:28 PM (QfvaV)

184 OT.
There is a fire in Washoe Valley NV that might take out Virginia City.
Lots of my favorite gun nut friends live in the path. 5000 acres so far and the ground is ripe for a huge firestorm and the winds are pretty bad right now.
Prayers please.

Posted by: Reforger at September 08, 2024 08:28 PM (xcIvR)

185 hart see my comment @177

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 08:28 PM (bAH4u)

186 RMBS, I have a couple of choices in mind.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 08, 2024 08:28 PM (I1GXe)

187 Yeah, I guess my farm was a bit more than $10k.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 08, 2024 08:29 PM (QfvaV)

188 Rhomboid would like some knowledge. One handgun one long gun.
Posted by: hart at September 08, 2024 08:17 PM (H2zSJ)

As to everyone who asks, I would say "Go to the gun range and rent some handguns. Figure out what you like and don't like. Decide if there are features you need or really want (like a revolver, or a tip-up semi) and decide on caliber. And don't necessarily scrimp to get a knock-off, though a bunch of knock-offs are really good."

As to a long gun, what are you planning on doing with it? Sports, hunting, or defense use? From there the decision tree branches a few more times. If you're wheelchair-bound, you will want something you can use with a shooting stick or tripod.

Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 08:30 PM (CrXxA)

189 DBCooper!

How are you, fine sir?

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 08, 2024 08:30 PM (PXByH)

190 Reforger, my memory of that area is not much fuel for a wildfire? Anyway hope all and Virginia City are not affected. Actually a very interesting place to visit.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 08:31 PM (bAH4u)

191 Ben Had, are arrangements made for the Horde to book rooms in Corsicana? If so, we'll get on it. If not...um...we'll wait, I guess.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 08, 2024 08:31 PM (Wnv9h)

192 Guys from church are getting together next week for some shooting and what not. I'm trying to decide if I want to go. I probably should, as I think they'll need the supervision. Plus, it would be nice to find out if any of my fellow church goers have any sort of skill with a firearm.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 08, 2024 08:31 PM (tT6L1)

193 Good thing I had brought the AR10 with some newly minted Hornady AMax 168s.
They were all on the same target and quite close together.
I realize how spoiled I have gotten with modern stuff. The savage trigger was like a 10 lb sledge pull. The AR was … sweet.
For dessert, I went over to the tactical bays and put 10 rounds of 230 g lead round nose through my old 1911. Blam-ting! Every time. I looked at my label and saw that I loaded it five years ago. Yes!
Thus endeth my long winded Range Report.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 08:32 PM (YL2RG)

194 Who would have ever guessed that a Taurus 1911 would have jammed?

Two hunters who shot 530-pound grizzly 24 times share their stunning story of survival
https://t.co/SKudknbwQy
...He “fumbled around,” pulled out his Taurus 1911 .45 ACP pistol and fired four to five shots at the bear... before the gun jammed...

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at September 08, 2024 08:32 PM (9aVck)

195 RMBS, I will email that information in the morning. Yes, they are giving us a rate.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 08, 2024 08:33 PM (I1GXe)

196 Indoor range with a cigar lounge is definitely What I’m Talkin’ About. Switzerland has ranges with bars and restaurants. Cigar lounge, golf driving range, indoor shootin’ range, bar/restaurant - Disneyland for me, could spend most of a day there …..

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 08:34 PM (bAH4u)

197 * It’s actually 4.25” or something now, apparently for the Canadian market (WTF, over?).
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Handguns need a minimum barrel length here so criminals can't easily conceal them!

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 08, 2024 08:35 PM (CEzQx)

198 Every single round I have ever reloaded has been on a single stage press. Absolutely!
Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 08:23 PM (uGpeQ)
Good to know. Thanks.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 08, 2024 08:35 PM (3rnQf)

199 nurse, carry during all times you are home, off work and walking on the beach. Pick it up first thing in the morning.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 08, 2024 08:26 PM (I1GXe)

^^THIS^^

Though I don't carry at home, it's always nearby, and I strap it on if I'm going out the door. I have literally forgotten my wallet and my phone but had my carry permit and my gun on me.

Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 08:35 PM (CrXxA)

200 Weasel,

Good luck on the crown repair, may it go well.

If it doesn't and turns into a implant situation, I can answer questions. Been there, done that more than once.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at September 08, 2024 08:35 PM (/HDaX)

201 I told the guys how the one hole drill works, we start at 3 yards, go to 5, then 7, then 10, then 15. Trying to hit the same hole. I said its good to start at 3, because if you can't hit the target at 3 you need some work.

Well.

At 3 yards they were all over the place on the paper. Oh my. So we stayed at 3 a bit. I watched them shoot, and since I am ~~old~~ ~~seasoned~~ trained in the way of the weasel I had them work on their fundamentals. Grip. Stance. Breathing. Trigger placement.

They got better. A little.

The guy with the P365 said "I haven't zeroed this yet" - it was iron sights so okay. I picked it up and put 5 into an area about the size of a 50 cent piece. Did the same with their CZs. The guns were good shooters. Their owners, however, not so much.

And I am not that good, but they think I'm a badass, so I have that going for me. 3/x

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 08, 2024 08:36 PM (QfvaV)

202 Posted by: nurse ratched at September 08, 2024 08:23 PM (Oam5E)

You might have to turn off your phone while you're moving around, on foot, in a car, via public transportation, anything. It's far too easy to get lost in your phone and lose situational awareness about what's going on around you. I've seen people in DC get so engrossed in what they're doing on their phone that they'll step into traffic without realizing that the cars have the green light, not them.

Posted by: Ed L at September 08, 2024 08:36 PM (yRXSd)

203 Prayers please.
Posted by: Reforger

Thanks for the tip. My (deceased) best friend's wife lives nearby, so prayers are up from here for that whole area.

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at September 08, 2024 08:36 PM (hOUT3)

204 Well, time to wander.

Have a good one!

Thanks again, Weasel and get well soon!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 08, 2024 08:36 PM (tT6L1)

205 RMBS, I will email that information in the morning. Yes, they are giving us a rate.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 08, 2024 08:33 PM

Thanks. The Mom was asking earlier.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 08, 2024 08:37 PM (Wnv9h)

206 @ blaster, that's hilarious.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 08, 2024 08:37 PM (tT6L1)

207 Post-log:
Moral of the story is that I will be harvesting game with my AR 10 in .308. And will stick with my 1911 through thick and thin.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 08:37 PM (YL2RG)

208 Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at September 08, 2024 08:35 PM (/HDaX)
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Thanks ABA. Pretty sure all they need to do is pop this back on with some glue. I have one implant and have room for another, but I'm not sure I'd get my moneys worth out of one now.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 08:38 PM (uGpeQ)

209 andycanuck thanks, knew it was something like that. How absurd. That quarter inch will make that large heavy revolver simply impossible to conceal!! Makes as much sense as that long gun registry that was finally dumped (pls tell me it hasn’t come back).

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 08:39 PM (bAH4u)

210 190 Reforger, my memory of that area is not much fuel for a wildfire? Anyway hope all and Virginia City are not affected. Actually a very interesting place to visit.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 08:31 PM (bAH4u)

VC Highlands is on a probable mandatory evac. 20,000 so far in Washoe Valley mandatory so far. The cheat grasses and Pinion Pines are dry as hell right now. Whole sky North of me is filled with smoke.
Wind has died down a bit since I posted the comment. But it is Nevada so that can change in a heartbeat. Like it just did.
Washoe is famous for it's evening Zephyrs.

Posted by: Reforger at September 08, 2024 08:39 PM (xcIvR)

211 Handguns need a minimum barrel length here so criminals can't easily conceal them!
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 08, 2024 08:35 PM (CEzQx)

Like the 12" barrels on the old Colt SAA Buntline Specials?

Posted by: Ed L at September 08, 2024 08:40 PM (yRXSd)

212 Posted by: Reforger at September 08, 2024 08:39 PM (xcIvR)
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Best of luck man. I love that part of the country,

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 08:40 PM (uGpeQ)

213 As to equipment, I let them shoot my P226 Legion RXP, and, well, they weren't any better with that.

Then I introduced them to the Extar EP9. It's a pistol, right? Put the target out at 10 yards and they were hitting bullseyes consistently, even moving around on the target that had 5 bullseyes on it. Those guys were GOOD shooting it.

One of them is already on the Extar waiting list. 4/4

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 08, 2024 08:40 PM (QfvaV)

214 Reforger, prayers up for all. If I wasn't in Texas I would be in Nevada.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 08, 2024 08:41 PM (I1GXe)

215 Thanks Reforger - damn. Hope we’re lucky. You in Carson City?

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 08:41 PM (bAH4u)

216 Also, I screwed up and missed the last gun thread until it was too late. Bad news since it covered a very relevant topic for me.

Better late than never. I just wanted to say thanks again to everyone who answered my questions a few weeks back or so on replacing Glock mags. It took a surprising amount of digging on the web to get a straightforward answer on which mag(s) fit my Gen 2 Glock 21. Turns out Glock made everything backwardly compatible, i.e. Gen 3 mags fit Gen 1 and 2, Gen 4 mags fit 3, 2 and 1. Then Glock broke the chain at Gen 5 and those mags don't fit older models.

So, got a couple of Gen 4 13 round mags and they fit beautifully. Happy days are here again.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at September 08, 2024 08:41 PM (/HDaX)

217 Blaster, that's a great story, and you did great, evangelizing the Way of Weasel.

I sure do wish they had some bays at my range (they have 3 range rooms) I could use for drawing and shooting. Not even really dynamic stuff, just drawing and shooting. Would be nice.

Maybe if I win the lotto I can buy some land here and build a shoot house....

Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 08:42 PM (CrXxA)

218 "He “fumbled around,” pulled out his Taurus 1911 .45 ACP pistol and fired four to five shots at the bear... before the gun jammed..."

Maybe something interfered with the action?

Posted by: fd at September 08, 2024 08:42 PM (vFG9F)

219 167 I think you can go to the CMP store in Aniston and pick out your rifle. Just make a detour on the way home SD.

Posted by: fd at September 08, 2024 08:21 PM (vFG9F)

The CMP physical stores are open for limited days and hours. Varies by location.
https://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/cmp-stores/

Posted by: Gref at September 08, 2024 08:43 PM (aBgBM)

220 And let me add a word praising turret presses. My Lee 4-hole press has been great, and churns out great quantities of range-fodder ammo.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 08:44 PM (bAH4u)

221 Nurse, FWIW:
Who is more likely to be an immediate problem? A meth addled rapist on the streets of Seattle, or the faceless bureaucracy?
Most questions I ask myself recently are heavily weighted to normalcy bias.
Must think outside that box.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 08:44 PM (YL2RG)

222 215 Thanks Reforger - damn. Hope we’re lucky. You in Carson City?
Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 08:41 PM (bAH4u)

Yep.

Posted by: Reforger at September 08, 2024 08:44 PM (xcIvR)

223 Ah, the CMP store - my Mecca.

Though it’s probably good that I live 2000 miles away.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 08:45 PM (bAH4u)

224 Posted by: Ed L

Please. If you think I am engrossed in my phone to the detriment of situational awareness, you don't know me.

I found that comment offensive.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 08, 2024 08:45 PM (nqEzG)

225 Makes as much sense as that long gun registry that was finally dumped (pls tell me it hasn’t come back).
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No, that's still dead.

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 08, 2024 08:47 PM (CEzQx)

226 If it was my 7400 that suddenly went sour, I would:
1. Check the scope. The mount might be loose.
2. Check the crown at the muzzle for dings.
3. Remove and reinstall the fore end. Something might be rubbing or in a bind.
4. Scrub the bore thoroughly with copper fouling remover. I've rescued a couple of shot out rifles just by getting the copper plating out of the bore.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at September 08, 2024 08:49 PM (4N1cO)

227 Today the bi-weekly DMV MGC and Mini-Mome met at our regular range. Iris, swa, Hrothgar, DaughterH, Ed L., sra blaster and myself in attendance. Ed L. brought an interesting piecea B&T fold up something or other that uses the fire control unit and slide from a P320. It was a cool piece of kit. Iris brought her EP9 and Buckmark, swa her brace of Glocks and Kimber. Hrothgar brought the accursed Glock (a G19X).

And we brought an AR and sra blaster's Mossberg Patrol in .308. We were only on the 25 yard range so it was like shooting fish in a barrel with the Mossberg. The AR had not been zeroed on its red dot+magnifier combo so we had the opportunity to do that. We had a good time shooting and then repast at Texas Roadhouse.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 08, 2024 08:50 PM (QfvaV)

228 Colt SAA Buntline Specials
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That's what my #22 reference looked like although with a wooden butt stock attachment and not the pistol grip alone.

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 08, 2024 08:50 PM (CEzQx)

229 A quick question on gun paperwork.

Where do you all keep your gun paperwork? Instruction manuals, receipts, etc.? Do you drop it somewhere in your gun safe? Is it in a drawer elsewhere? In its own document fireproof safe?

Do you even care?

Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 08:51 PM (CrXxA)

230 Dentists must be rolling in the dough this week - had a temporary crown put on awaiting the final product Friday afternoon.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 08, 2024 08:52 PM (QfvaV)

231 Hi Nurse! sorry, got side tracked. Hope you are well.

Posted by: DBCooper at September 08, 2024 08:53 PM (y1Mvi)

232 Posted by: nurse ratched at September 08, 2024 08:45 PM (nqEzG)

My apologies, Nurse. It's something I see all the time here in the Great Swamp. I have to carry a phone now that my workplace pulled the landlines, so I have to look at the thing when it rings. No matter what I'm doing, I have to stop, pull it out and check who's calling. Unfortunately, I can't blow it off because I'm deemed important enough to be on the CO's emergency call list. I know it distracts me a lot more than I'd like.

Posted by: Ed L at September 08, 2024 08:54 PM (yRXSd)

233 Speaking of Gatling guns, XCal has one at their rental counter. One of the new ones, takes Glock mags and shoots 9mm.

$150 for the hour. You are on the hook for the ammo.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 08, 2024 08:55 PM (QfvaV)

234 175 No range time, but lots of carry time.

I'm really trying to get my mind set for after November 5, carrying to work when it ISNT ALLOWED. Downtown Seattle will be a mess. I have to get to work. I have to be CONCEALED. It's not so much the physics as it is my attitude.

Help?
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 08, 2024 08:23 PM (Oam5E)
You have to decide what's important. I would say it's nurse that's important. Do what's necessary.

Posted by: Eromero at September 08, 2024 08:56 PM (LHPAg)

235 229 A quick question on gun paperwork.

Where do you all keep your gun paperwork? Instruction manuals, receipts, etc.? Do you drop it somewhere in your gun safe? Is it in a drawer elsewhere? In its own document fireproof safe?

Do you even care?
Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 08:51 PM (CrXxA)

I have a filebox (I should upgrade it to a fireproof one) and one folder is labeled 2A.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 08, 2024 08:56 PM (QfvaV)

236 Post script.
If deer start wearing Kevlar (much to FJB’s consternation), I will have magazine capacity to deal with it.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 08:56 PM (YL2RG)

237 Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 08, 2024 08:50 PM (QfvaV)

Blaster, that folding carbine is the BWC9 from B&T. It's a Swiss import, and like everything from Switzerland, it's not cheap.

Posted by: Ed L at September 08, 2024 08:57 PM (yRXSd)

238 "He “fumbled around,” pulled out his Taurus 1911 .45 ACP pistol and fired four to five shots at the bear... before the gun jammed..."

Maybe something interfered with the action?
Posted by: fd at September 08, 2024 08:42 PM (vFG9F)

Will a 1911 stovepipe a round if you get stressed and limp-wrist it? Not that shooting at a grizzly would be stressful or anything.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2024 08:58 PM (NQ0jI)

239 For those looking to get into reloading on the (relative) cheap, consider the Lee Anniversary kit. For ~$160, it includes a press, a scale, a powder measure, a priming tool, and a few other accessories. You'll still need dies, components, a data book, and some type of case cleaner.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 08, 2024 08:59 PM (/y8xj)

240 Idaho, thanks. It wasn’t sudden, unfortunately. I borescoped it and the throat is mucho corroded.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 08:59 PM (YL2RG)

241 Weasel, thank you for everything.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 08, 2024 09:00 PM (I1GXe)

242 Will a 1911 stovepipe a round if you get stressed and limp-wrist it? Not that shooting at a grizzly would be stressful or anything.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2024 08:58 PM (NQ0jI)

I wouldn't rule out an old magazine follower or worn-out magazine spring. WWII era magazines were still in circulation well into the 1990s and beyond.

Posted by: Ed L at September 08, 2024 09:02 PM (yRXSd)

243 Need to punch out. Thank you, Weasel, for another most cromulent Gun Thread, and thanks for sharing my pics with the Horde.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 08, 2024 09:02 PM (Wnv9h)

244 Ed L

When I'm downtown I DONT pull out my phone. Walking around ANYWHERE with my face in my phone would not even occur to me. There is nothing that can't wait until I get to the office.

I'm pissed you would give the impression I'd not be paying attention.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 08, 2024 09:02 PM (GBXhj)

245 230 Dentists must be rolling in the dough this week - had a temporary crown put on awaiting the final product Friday afternoon.
Posted by: blaster

I prefer to think that I am helping my dentist with his yacht payments, but I think an invite for a cruise on the "Miss Molar" is now long overdue!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at September 08, 2024 09:03 PM (hOUT3)

246 Oh I forgot. There are some big manufacturer offers going on right now.

For example, if you buy a Sig P226 XFIVE, they will give you, for free, a P365.

I already have 2 P226s and 2 P365s (because of course we do) so that would create an odd number situation. Otherwise I would jump on it.

Also, S&W has a deal if you buy a Hellcat you get a range bag, 3 extra mags, and an optic for free.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 08, 2024 09:03 PM (QfvaV)

247 Time for lights out at Kaserne Van Owen. Nite, all, and thank you Weasel for the thread as always and the advice in particular.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 08, 2024 09:04 PM (3rnQf)

248 Gun paperwork?

Burn it. It's unconstitutional to have to provide it.

It's my gun. Is there a problem?

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 08, 2024 09:05 PM (GBXhj)

249 Rhomboid would like some knowledge. One handgun one long gun.
Posted by: hart at September 08, 2024 08:17 PM (H2zSJ)

A coworker mentioned wanting to get a rifle and handgun just because. Suggested if he wanted to simple solution just drop a few bucks on a 9mm glock and AR in 5.56. Or you can go to gun stores 'x' and try every one of their rentals... Key here is he earns enough $$$ that dropping $1k on the basic package is very doable

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 08, 2024 09:05 PM (/lPRQ)

250 For those looking to get into reloading on the (relative) cheap, consider the Lee Anniversary kit. For ~$160, it includes a press, a scale, a powder measure, a priming tool, and a few other accessories. You'll still need dies, components, a data book, and some type of case cleaner.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 08, 2024 08:59 PM (/y8xj)

Define (so we don't mislead ourselves) "dies" and "components", please?
I know I can buy oodles of dies at MidwayUSA, but I'm not sure why.
And "components" is terribly vague for a noob.

That's a pretty good deal, though. Any particular place to buy it?

Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 09:06 PM (CrXxA)

251 Like our mentor, single stage press for every round I’ve ever loaded.
Much more difficult (but not impossible) to f*ck up.
Having only one action being done at a time is good.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 09:06 PM (YL2RG)

252 I will bow out now before I annoy our lovely host.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 08, 2024 09:06 PM (GBXhj)

253 My Caesar appears to have evaporated. Spent about 7 hours in the shop today. No rest for the wicked.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2024 09:06 PM (NQ0jI)

254 While cleaning the garage I found a box with a shipping label to me that had been unopened. Oh, what's this, has some weight to it?

Opened it up and it was some body armor - well a minimalist plate carrier and some plates. Forgot about it.

Ordered it December 2020 it took a couple months to come in. Sitting in the box all that time.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 08, 2024 09:06 PM (QfvaV)

255 but I think an invite for a cruise on the "Miss Molar" is now long overdue!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at September 08, 2024 09:03 PM (hOUT3)

I'd only go if both Ginger AND MaryAnn were going to be along for the ride.

Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 09:07 PM (CrXxA)

256 Also, S&W has a deal if you buy a Hellcat you get a range bag, 3 extra mags, and an optic for free.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 08, 2024 09:03 PM

Did you perhaps mean Springfield?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 08, 2024 09:07 PM (a3Q+t)

257 Posted by: Ben Had at September 08, 2024 09:00 PM (I1GXe)
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Anything for you!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 09:08 PM (uGpeQ)

258 Gun paperwork?

Burn it. It's unconstitutional to have to provide it.

It's my gun. Is there a problem?
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 08, 2024 09:05 PM (GBXhj)

LOL. I keep it for completeness (manuals) and in case a firearm ever needs to be sold. I only keep receipts if I think I might need to prove what I paid for it to my wife or an estate.

Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 09:09 PM (CrXxA)

259 I found that comment offensive.

I don't think that it was at all intended to offend.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 08, 2024 09:10 PM (mH6SG)

260 For those looking for a good introduction to reloading, may I suggest the ABCs of Reloading, 10th Edition?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 08, 2024 09:11 PM (a3Q+t)

261 256 Also, S&W has a deal if you buy a Hellcat you get a range bag, 3 extra mags, and an optic for free.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 08, 2024 09:03 PM

Did you perhaps mean Springfield?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 08, 2024 09:07 PM (a3Q+t)

Maybe.

Can I blame autocorrect? I'm blaming autocorrect.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 08, 2024 09:11 PM (QfvaV)

262 Just 6 weeks till Texas. Looking forward to it.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 08, 2024 09:12 PM (QfvaV)

263 Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 09:06 PM (YL2RG)
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My first press was a multi-stage monstrosity. I set it all up, took a good look at it, and put it on the shelf where it sits to this day. Never loaded a single round on it. I'm not smart enough to keep everything straight. I've loaded about a zillion rounds on single stage gear now.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 09:13 PM (uGpeQ)

264 233 Speaking of Gatling guns, XCal has one at their rental counter. One of the new ones, takes Glock mags and shoots 9mm.
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I've seen one on YouTube that takes .22LR using high-capacity magazines [50 or 60 rounds or the like] with a pretty lady testing it out.

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 08, 2024 09:13 PM (CEzQx)

265 Weasel, you've got a progressive press sitting on the shelf?

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 09:14 PM (GcNJ2)

266 I carried everyday at work for 25 years when it wasn’t allowed. I guess I was fortunate that I was never questioned though I came up with contingency plans with all the scenarios I could think of just in case.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 08, 2024 09:14 PM (B1dzx)

267 I've seen one on YouTube that takes .22LR using high-capacity magazines [50 or 60 rounds or the like] with a pretty lady testing it out.
Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 08, 2024 09:13 PM (CEzQx)

In 22LR it wouldn't be so ruinous.

Imagine it in 45-70

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 08, 2024 09:15 PM (QfvaV)

268 OK! 9:15 thank you time!

Thank you!

I appreciate all y'all being here tonight and hope to see you next Sunday!!!!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 09:15 PM (uGpeQ)

269 I work in a Federal building. The kind where lots of people with guns work.

I don't carry at work.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 08, 2024 09:16 PM (QfvaV)

270 Thanks, Weasel. Hope all goes well tomorrow.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 08, 2024 09:16 PM (mH6SG)

271 Reloading tools:
Brass cleaning - tumbler.
Press for dies
Brass prep - deprimer/ sizer die, debur/chamfer tool, primer pocket cleaner tool
Micrometer and go/no go gauge
Primer install tool
Powder dispenser
Balance scale
Bullet seating die.

Dies are needed for each caliber.

That will get you started on tools. As for powder, bullet and primer choices, there are a lot.
Welcome to the Dark Side.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 09:16 PM (YL2RG)

272 nurse, carry during all times you are home, off work and walking on the beach. Pick it up first thing in the morning.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 08, 2024 08:26 PM (I1GXe)

^^THIS^^

Though I don't carry at home, it's always nearby, and I strap it on if I'm going out the door. I have literally forgotten my wallet and my phone but had my carry permit and my gun on me.
Posted by: GWB

Always thought areas which prohibit firearms should have lockers to put your gear in before entering. Even the White House has those lockboxes, but most places do not.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 08, 2024 09:16 PM (/lPRQ)

273 the Lee Anniversary kit. For ~$160
Posted by: Oddbob at September 08, 2024 08:59 PM (/y8xj)

I see it at MidwayUSA for $165, and for $168 at Midsouth Shooter Supply.
/starts counting pennies/
I might be able to swing that. At a minimum, save it for a rainy day.

Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 09:17 PM (CrXxA)

274 Define (so we don't mislead ourselves) "dies" and "components", please?
I know I can buy oodles of dies at MidwayUSA, but I'm not sure why.
And "components" is terribly vague for a noob.

Dies: the tools that mount in the press and perform operations on the cartridge case: deprime, size, open the case mouth, seat a bullet, crimp the mouth. Sometimes two of those are combined in a single action. With a few exceptions like .38 Spl/.357 Mag, dies are caliber specific.

Components: all the "parts" that comprise a cartridge: case, primer, powder, bullet. Within a given caliber, different combinations of components require different loading data. E.g. data for a 200 grain lead semi-wadcutter can not be used directly with a 230 grain FMJ without testing. Nor can the powder charge for Bullseye powder be used for Winchester 231.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 08, 2024 09:17 PM (/y8xj)

275 Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 09:14 PM (GcNJ2)
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Yep!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 09:17 PM (uGpeQ)

276 Thanks for hosting, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at September 08, 2024 09:17 PM (yRXSd)

277 Oops. Forgot cartridge seaters for the press in every caliber.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 09:18 PM (YL2RG)

278 Further comment Weasel - I’m in the dental world - maxillofacial prosthodontist.

C&B is a big part of what I do on a regular basis. Anything comes u, give me a holler.

Applies to the rest of the GubMorons as well.

Coelacanth

Posted by: Coelacanth at September 08, 2024 09:19 PM (W+ZkI)

279 Posted by: Ed L at September 08, 2024 09:17 PM (yRXSd)
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You bet!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 09:19 PM (uGpeQ)

280 As to that Lee 50th Anniversary kit, it says it has:
- Auto Prime Hand primer
- One Breech Lock quick change bushing
- Hand Priming tool shell holder kit
- Lee Safety Scale
- Powder Funnel
- Value Quick Trim Case Trimmer
- Cutter and Lock Stud
- Chamfer Tool
- Sizing Lube
- Large and Small Primer Pocket-Cleaning Tool
- Safety Primer Feed Large and Small

Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 09:19 PM (CrXxA)

281 Some progressive presses are better left on the shelf. The RCBS Green Machine was legendary for being hard to operate.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at September 08, 2024 09:19 PM (4N1cO)

282 My first press was a Dillon 650. I used it a lot. I don't shoot hundreds of rounds a month anymore, so it sits boxed from the last move. I currently use 2 single stage presses, and a Lee press that's exclusively a depriming station.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 08, 2024 09:20 PM (a3Q+t)

283 Posted by: Coelacanth at September 08, 2024 09:19 PM (W+ZkI)
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Thanks!!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 09:20 PM (uGpeQ)

284 266 I carried everyday at work for 25 years when it wasn’t allowed. I guess I was fortunate that I was never questioned though I came up with contingency plans with all the scenarios I could think of just in case.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 08, 2024 09:14 PM (B1dzx)269 I work in a Federal building. The kind where lots of people with guns work.

I don't carry at work.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 08, 2024 09:16 PM (QfvaV)
My job is armed, I put on my uniform, I'm armed. If I'm off duty, I'm armed. I'm armed all the time. To be unarmed is to be helpless.

Posted by: Eromero at September 08, 2024 09:21 PM (LHPAg)

285 I did learn to reload 20gauge shotgun shells when I was shooting a lot of skeet.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 08, 2024 09:22 PM (I1GXe)

286 Pro Tip: If the FBI comes to your house and says "hey we are concerned about your son becoming a school shooter," do NOT go out and buy that kid an AR15 for Christmas.

I mean, yes, its the FBI, but, you know...

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 08, 2024 09:22 PM (QfvaV)

287 Though I don't carry at home, it's always nearby, and I strap it on if I'm going out the door. I have literally forgotten my wallet and my phone but had my carry permit and my gun on me.
Posted by: GWB

Always thought areas which prohibit firearms should have lockers to put your gear in before entering. Even the White House has those lockboxes, but most places do not.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 08, 2024 09:16 PM (/lPRQ)

I believe the current rules for Federal buildings and facilities is no unauthorized weapons inside the building or perimeter. Any lockboxes there may be are not there for legally stowing privately-owned unauthorized weapons.

Posted by: Gref at September 08, 2024 09:22 PM (aBgBM)

288 I carry everywhere besides courthouses and I try to stay out of those.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 09:24 PM (uGpeQ)

289 It sounds overwhelming, but it’s not. It’s like learning to drive - you improve over time.
YouTube is helpful. Reloading Manuals are essential. Notebooks with successes and failures are good. A chronometer is eventually wanted.
At some point you realize you can do better with your loads and your guns than the manufacturers.
Bliss.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 09:24 PM (YL2RG)

290 And, thanks once again, Weasel, for the Gun Thread.
It makes my week complete.

Now to figure out when I can get to the range again....

Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 09:25 PM (CrXxA)

291 My pleasure GWB.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 09:25 PM (uGpeQ)

292 I love my Dillon RL 550. 4 stations, and you have to manually advance it. I do all sorts of odd processes with it, like cranking out sized, primed and belled pistol cases, to be loaded later, and using 4 dies to resize 7.62 machine gun brass.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at September 08, 2024 09:26 PM (4N1cO)

293 carry everywhere besides courthouses and I try to stay out of those.
Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 09:24 PM (uGpeQ)

Courthouses fall under my rule of I carry everywhere except where they have metal detectors.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 08, 2024 09:26 PM (B1dzx)

294 Oh, and I put us over. No call from Ace tomorrow morning, Weasel. You owe me.

Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 09:27 PM (CrXxA)

295 Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 09:24 PM (YL2RG)
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RI Red knows.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 09:27 PM (uGpeQ)

296 Weasel I have no need for/interest in a progressive, very happy with a turret (which as you know is instantly a single-stage if you pull out the indexing rod).

Just surprised you had one and didn't take to it. Though it's always seemed to me that progressives are for high-volume shooters, or group deals (know a few guys at the matches who reload together or at least share gear etc).

Sadly my volume of shooting, though at times respectable, has never been "high" on monthly basis. Very easy to keep myself in ammo with a turret press.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 09:27 PM (GcNJ2)

297 GWB, that sounds like a great starter kit!
Buy it now!

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 09:27 PM (YL2RG)

298 Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at September 08, 2024 09:26 PM (B1dzx)
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*fistbump*

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 09:28 PM (uGpeQ)

299 I agree that the Lee kit is an excellent place to start and then you can just add stuff as you go. Learning to reload is a very enjoyable adventure.

Posted by: ck at September 08, 2024 09:28 PM (nMOLw)

300 I read this at Gateway. This is the first time I've heard the mention of mandatory confiscation. Ever...
Top Kamala Surrogate Raphael Warnock Signals Support for Push for Harris Passing Mandatory Gun Confiscation
https://tinyurl.com/2df6u5w7

Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at September 08, 2024 09:28 PM (o9J6F)

301 274 Define (so we don't mislead ourselves) "dies" and "components", please?
I know I can buy oodles of dies at MidwayUSA, but I'm not sure why.
And "components" is terribly vague for a noob.
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I would consider buying a "The ABC's of Reloading, 10th Edition Paperback April 13, 2021
by Philip Massaro" before buying anything.

Read up on what is required first--reloading is not difficult to do but it is not for everyone because it requires absolute attention to the matter at hand.

That means, no interruptions when doing critical things like priming, dumping the powder into the cartridge, checking the powder level in cases whether by a powder checker die, or visually, and seating the bullet.

If you like to multitask on things, reloading is not for that person because only one case where you forget to put powder in a cartridge or double charge with too much powder in a case, put the wrong primer in the cartridge, etc. and bad things can happen.

Reloading requires attention to detail and concentration to do safely. Lack of either spell bad things.

It is not difficult again. It does require the same attention as using machinery like table saws, welding, etc.

Posted by: whig at September 08, 2024 09:29 PM (kW+z9)

302 Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 09:27 PM (GcNJ2)
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I just never thought I'd get the QC level I was looking for doing five things at once.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 09:30 PM (uGpeQ)

303 RI Red knows.
Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 09:27 PM (uGpeQ)

RI Red listens and has a good teacher.
Thanks, Boss!

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 09:30 PM (YL2RG)

304 From the MidwayUSA site:
Curious about what else you will need to start reloading with this kit? We suggest the following; as this kit does not include bench plate, reloading dies, case length gauges or shellholders for the Challenger Breech Lock Single Stage Press.

A Lee Case Length Gauge for trimming cases
Cartridge specific die set
Shellholder for desired cartridge
Appropriate powder, primers, bullets and cases for your desired cartridge
Reloading Manual

Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 09:30 PM (CrXxA)

305 "RI Red knows."

Indeed. Key point to make. Don't be intimidated, reloading (for most common purposes) is pretty simple, fairly easily mastered, and fun. And just as with building a firearm vs. buying it, you learn more about the thing and the whole shebang by reloading.

Manuals, UToob, articles, veteran reloaders you know. Patience. ATTENTION TO DETAIL. Always. Set up your own quality control/failsafe procedures, and follow them. But it's not that hard once you ease into it.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 09:31 PM (GcNJ2)

306 Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 09:31 PM (GcNJ2)
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rhomboid knows too!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 09:32 PM (uGpeQ)

307 I think I will check a few other sites, then buy that kit. No guarantee I'll be using it right away, but it will come in handy for 12.7x42 (.50 Beowulf) and any "exotic" calibers I go with in the near future. (I still need a caliber starting with 6, and one with 8, for my collection.

)

Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 09:33 PM (CrXxA)

308 Ja, Whig also knows. Attention To Detail is prime. No alcohol, no distractions, no interruptions.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 09:33 PM (YL2RG)

309 Me and my redneck frines used to be .44 aces. We handloaded .44 mag. and .44spc. The best thing was all the bullets were the same unless they were casings with primer only and plastic bullets we shot into the fireplace. Yeah I know.

Posted by: Eromero at September 08, 2024 09:34 PM (LHPAg)

310 Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at September 08, 2024 09:33 PM (o9J6F)

So, you didn't read Weasel's comments earlier?

Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 09:34 PM (CrXxA)

311 Weasel, gotcha.

What whig said (as usual). Which all of us are saying, more/less.

Again I'll say, depending on location/market, consider buying some of the bigger ticket items (press, dies, scale) used. Much like my firearm collection, almost nothing in my reloading set-up was bought new (though much of it was lightly used, and RCBS sent me a brand new 505 scale when I sent in the used one I bought for a tune-up - which was nice).

It was/is a game to me to see how little I can spend on this reloading thing, without sacrificing any quality I'm looking for. Overall it's been an enormous, enormous $-saver, since I started in 2011.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 09:35 PM (GcNJ2)

312 No alcohol
Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 09:33 PM (YL2RG)

Does cigar ash pose any problems to the precision required?

Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 09:35 PM (CrXxA)

313 GWB, what caliber are you consider reloading? The reason I ask is that I've been yammering on about the topic with pistol calibers in mind since those are generally simpler to reload and where most people start. Reloading for rifle is similar in general but different in details. For example, case prep can be a little more complex.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 08, 2024 09:38 PM (/y8xj)

314 Only ONE powder out at a time!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 08, 2024 09:38 PM (a3Q+t)

315 312 No alcohol
Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 09:33 PM (YL2RG)

Does cigar ash pose any problems to the precision required?
Posted by: GWB at September 08, 2024 09:35 PM (CrXxA)
Of course no alcohol or weed, and we used glasses. On rainy days with bored veterans.

Posted by: Eromero at September 08, 2024 09:39 PM (LHPAg)

316 Rhomboid, I collected brass for literally decades, knowing that at some point I’d reload.
I always considered reloaders as odd duck survivalist types. When I finally got around to it I understood differently.
It’s part of being responsible and reliant on yourself, come what may.
It’s also a hellofalotta fun!

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 09:39 PM (YL2RG)

317 This was 54 years ago.

Posted by: Eromero at September 08, 2024 09:40 PM (LHPAg)

318 It’s also a hellofalotta fun!
Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 09:39 PM (YL2RG)
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And a great feeling of accomplishment!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 09:41 PM (uGpeQ)

319 GWB, good question! For me the cigar issue is that my ammo factory is in the garage, and I don't want cigar smell out there (I've experimented, it's hard to prevent it, even with fans).

But for certain tasks - especially brass processing, where there is just metal involved, no powder, no primers - if overall conditions permit, you can indeed burn a cigar while doing some part of the process. I sort/inspect rifle brass, after resizing, on the back porch, with a cigar going. There are people who use hand-held primers, and prime their cases anywhere, while watching TV, whatever.

Yes - zero or minimum distraction is a key principle. But in my case, I have a 100% (often multiple) full quality inspection at every point in the process - so if a bum case slips past me on the porch, I catch it later.

And I'll have history podcasts on at the bench sometimes. Once you've got some mileage, and have your procedures down, there is a small bit of leeway. Depending on the task in question.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 09:41 PM (GcNJ2)

320 Hmmmm.
Lit cigar plus gunpowder and primers.
Nope.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 09:42 PM (YL2RG)

321 Both 45 ACP and 38 Special are forgiving to reload, do not require lube for a case, and can use cast or coated bullets for substantial savings over buying it.

Treated gently, both cartridge cases can last for many reloads.

9mm is simple enough, a bit touchier than the first two I named, and may not actually make economic sense unless you plan to shoot a lot. 25 cents per 9mm round is close to what someone can reload for unless they buy bullets and cases in bulk, use certain powders, etc. I reload it simply to have a reserve if things go bad. Ditto for a 40.

357 Magnum, on the other hand is well worth reloading, due to its ease (you use the same die set as a 38 special adjusted for a bit longer case), and 357 ammo is relatively expensive on shelves. Plus, you can step down the power if necessary.

Posted by: whig at September 08, 2024 09:43 PM (kW+z9)

322 Again I'll say, depending on location/market, consider buying some of the bigger ticket items (press, dies, scale) used.

Garage/estate sales can turn up some good stuff but you have to know what you're looking for. Usually they'll want to sell a whole bunch of stuff as a lot which can be great if happens to be the stuff you want but you probably shouldn't buy a big box o' crap to get one thing out of it. Because then you're the one who has to figure out how to get rid of the rest of the crap. Craigslist is not particularly gun friendly but you can still sometimes find reloading gear.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 08, 2024 09:44 PM (/y8xj)

323 Oddbob with a key question.

And RI Red, I proselytize at my range as an RSO - with select individuals, who meet the criteria - about starting to save your brass, even if you doubt you will start reloading. I point out it's money on the ground. You can save it up over time in a bucket in the garage, and then get $ for it selling to locals via the online marketplace. Or - you start to reload, and use it yourself. No-brainer.

And like Weasel said, it's fun and there is some satisfaction when you fill that ammo can with shiny beautiful cartridges that *you* assembled.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 09:44 PM (GcNJ2)

324 Posted by: Oddbob at September 08, 2024 09:44 PM (/y8xj)
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Check around Gun/shooting clubs too.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 09:45 PM (uGpeQ)

325 Weasel, looks like a lot of pent up demand on reloading.
Maybe a sign of the times. I just ordered a metric sh*t ton of .308 Sierra Match King.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 09:46 PM (YL2RG)

326 Rhomboid, I was so taken with the shiny look of them that I made a necklace or two for Mrs. R and others.
Ok, I’m weird. But they look hot!

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 09:49 PM (YL2RG)

327 Exactly what whig just said. Savings and difficulty very greatly by caliber. No handgun calibers are actually difficult once you get in the swing. But some (as he noted, 38sp and 45ACP) are especially easy for newbies.

whig also alluded to another benefit of reloading - you can make your own ammo, so panics/price rises/whatever become sort of academic for you. You can roll your own.

Another benefit, especially for revolver calibers - you can customize your loads, create soft or powder-puff loads for practice, or for female, new, or young shooters. Or go the other way - I work up loads that have (to me) the same perceived recoil as my self-defense ammo. So I can practice cheaply for serious shooting, instead of spending a mint.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 09:49 PM (GcNJ2)

328 And I'll have history podcasts on
Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 09:41 PM (GcNJ2)

Lol yeah, I fall asleep to them every night.

Posted by: hart at September 08, 2024 09:50 PM (H2zSJ)

329 273 the Lee Anniversary kit. For ~$160
Posted by: Oddbob at September 08, 2024 08:59 PM (/y8xj)

I see it at MidwayUSA for $165, and for $168 at Midsouth Shooter Supply.
/starts counting pennies/
I might be able to swing that. At a minimum, save it for a rainy day.
Posted by: GWB
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GWB,

MidwayUSA gives a ten percent off on an item for your birthday if you are registered with them.

Lee Precision, direct, also occasionally has a sale on refurbished items and they are pretty good about replacing bad parts if necessary.

If space is limited, go ahead and buy their bench block system as it allows easy substitution for presses as you accumulate them.

I use the Lee Classic turret press, two single stages (one from an old Lee kit no less), and the Lee App Press depending on what I am doing. The bench block system makes it a snap to change presses.

Posted by: whig at September 08, 2024 09:51 PM (kW+z9)

330 RI Red I've made cigar punches for myself and a few friends from cartridge cases. Now we jokingly but typically will talk about a particular cigar being a "30-06 ring gauge" or "gawd's own caliber (45)".

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 09:51 PM (GcNJ2)

331 Weasel, looks like a lot of pent up demand on reloading.
Maybe a sign of the times. I just ordered a metric sh*t ton of .308 Sierra Match King.
Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 09:46 PM (YL2RG)
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Yes sir! I like the idea of an into to reloading in TX.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 09:52 PM (uGpeQ)

332 As I’ve said before, you don’t save money by reloading, but you shoot a helluva lot more for the same cost.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 09:53 PM (YL2RG)

333 I've been stocking up on Midwest powders from American Reloading. I got some "similar to" Staball 6.5 and "similar to" Superformance for my Creedmoor's and some "similar to" BL-C2 for my 22 ARC's. Super happy with the powder and price.

Posted by: ck at September 08, 2024 09:54 PM (nMOLw)

334 As I’ve said before, you don’t save money by reloading, but you shoot a helluva lot more for the same cost.
Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 09:53 PM (YL2RG)
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It can also mean the difference in having ammunition or not having ammunition if and when things go sideways. That's the big thing for me.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 09:56 PM (uGpeQ)

335 Customer service, support, to include frequent no-questions instant replacement of faulty/broken parts, etc in the reloading sector is by far the best I've ever experienced as a consumer of any good or service. Another positive aspect to it.

Oh - and let me add The High Road, a firearms blog forum, to the list of edumucational resources. Can't count the times I learned valuable reloadoing tips or specific answers to questions there.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 09:57 PM (GcNJ2)

336 Well, I’d best call it a night so I can go to work in the morning and earn money to support my shooting hobby/addiction.
Thanks again, Weasel. This place is its own walking Public Service Announcement.

Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 09:57 PM (YL2RG)

337 OK, the ONT should be up soon. Thanks again and have a good night everyone.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 09:58 PM (uGpeQ)

338 If you shoot enough, you save a lot. It takes a lot to overcome the initial investment!!

Posted by: ck at September 08, 2024 09:58 PM (nMOLw)

339 Due to my circumstances, I am certain I have saved a lot of $$ over the years through my reloading. Cost basis, volume of shooting, etc all go into the calculation, but it's not even close for many calibers, esp. the ones whig mentioned (357, 30 carbine, 30-06, 45ACP).

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 09:59 PM (GcNJ2)

340 Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 09:57 PM (GcNJ2)
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Agreed!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 09:59 PM (uGpeQ)

341 Thanks, Weasel. A lot of good thoughts bandied about tonight.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 08, 2024 09:59 PM (/y8xj)

342 Posted by: RI Red at September 08, 2024 09:57 PM (YL2RG)
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Thanks amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 10:00 PM (uGpeQ)

343 ck, that's one reason I was patient and relentless in building my original set-up - I actually kept track of every dime spent on it, and on additions since. Almost all used, so my cost basis going in was/is tiny.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 08, 2024 10:00 PM (GcNJ2)

344 OK, the ONT should be up soon. Thanks again and have a good night everyone.
Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 09:58 PM (uGpeQ)

Thank you for the Gun Thread, Weasel!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 08, 2024 10:00 PM (NQ0jI)

345 A lot of good thoughts bandied about tonight.
Posted by: Oddbob at September 08, 2024 09:59 PM (/y8xj)
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I think so too. Thanks, and let's talk.

Posted by: Weasel at September 08, 2024 10:01 PM (uGpeQ)

346 Guns and cars. America in a nutshell. Only missing money.

Posted by: hart at September 08, 2024 10:03 PM (H2zSJ)

347 F16 guy didn't fly under the bridge. I would have flown under the bridge. Just how it is.

Posted by: Eromero at September 08, 2024 10:19 PM (LHPAg)

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