Gun Thread: First September and Texas MoMe Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Some of you may recall I mentioned twisting my ankle last week while rescuing blind and crippled orphans from a burning school bus stuck on railroad tracks near the farm. It's nothing really; I saw my ankle guy this week and the prognosis is good. Although ice and keeping it elevated seemed to be doing the trick and for no other reason than to set a good example for others, I am also wearing an orthopedic boot of shame, weakness, humiliation and Range Babe repellent to facilitate resting the joint. Thank you for the outpouring of concern and good wishes! Now if you will excuse me I really do need to go put my foot up because it hurts like a mo-fo.

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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FUNdamentals

Q: Weasel, it's the most wonderful time of the year; the Texas MoMe Season, can't we take a break form your stupid fundamentals?
A: Um, that would be a big, fat, NO!

So yeah, fundamentals and the WeaselDoctrine. It's really nothing more than doing the right things over and over and over and over until they become second nature. Having problems controlling your flinch reflex? Then focus on controlling your flinch reflex. Is your grip affecting your accuracy? Then focus on consistency with the proper grip mechanics. This really isn't that difficult, you just need to develop good habits in practice and training and apply these good habits in a logical, methodical and consistent manner.

OK, I see you need an example of what effective results look like. Allow me to introduce you to Jonny Kim.

Becoming a Navy SEAL is a major accomplishment. Going on to become a Harvard trained M.D., Naval Flight Surgeon and Naval Aviator is frankly impressive. Becoming a NASA Astronaut on top of all of that before age 37 is, well, just showing off.

Here is an introduction to this hombre by Ted Cruz.

Here's a little more detail of the man and his background.

Do you think this guy achieved any of this by not focusing? Do you think he just kind of bumbled along without a plan? I'm willing to bet you a nickel he worked his ass off. Viewed through lens of this guy's accomplishments, focusing at the range and improving your shooting skills doesn't seem to be quite such a difficult challenge, now does it? It just takes focus and practice.

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Texas MoMe Madness!

I'd like to bring to everyone's attention the upcoming MoMe in Texas on October 18-19. If you're in either the northern or southern hemisphere of the planet of the earth, you need to contact Ben Had for details. The dates and email links for MoMes are always helpfully included on the main page, left sidebar, so you really have no excuse!

There is an entire shooting program for both handguns and rifles over two days, world class food and drink, and the even world classier company of your fellow Morons! More on the Friday/Saturday schedule to come, so stay tuned.

Seriously, people. I have said this probably a bazillion times now. These gatherings are a really good time, and I know of no one who regrets having attended one. No kidding. Would your ol' pal Weasel lie to you? MoMe veterans will attest to the funness. Don't be a dork, do yourself a favor and get your ass to Texas! If you're a TXMoMe veteran, please encourage the scairdy-cats to join in the fun!

TXMoMe Shooting Festivities

This seems like a good time to talk a little bit about the upcoming shooting program at the TXMoMe, or the Conservative's Burning Man, as it's popularly known. What started years ago as an informal plinking session lasting a couple of hours has matured into a full program of shooting activities over two days. I have to thank Ben Had, Cow Horse Queen and RancherBob for allowing the shooting to comprise such a significant portion of the TXMoMe. From a safety and organizational perspective, I think the shooting programs last year were the best so far, and we intend to generally run the programs the same way this year. We haven't lost anyone yet and I'd really like to keep it that way.

For a while I have been conducting a Rifle Clinic on Friday morning followed by range time Friday afternoon and then again well into Saturday. We have also been steadily refining the handgun portion of the program to now include an IDPA-esque move-and-shoot pistol course designed and run by Nurse R & WBG (WeaselBuddyGeoff). There is also the usual static pistol range for those who prefer that style of shooting and a separate setup for gun-curious beginners desiring one-on-one supervision and instruction. Lastly and by popular demand, we're hoping to add a gun cleaning and maintenance clinic both days which will run concurrently with the live-fire programs. I include this thing about gun cleaning each year and it never happens, but there is always hope. If one (or two) of you out there would like to be a huge help and take on the cleaning instructor's role, please let me know. We need someone who is safety oriented and comfortable field stripping and cleaning a variety of platforms.

Anyhoo, here's a very rough outline of the schedule of events. Times are tentative and subject to modification/change. I'll move this down to a TXMoMe section below in the coming weeks and update there as necessary.

Friday, 10/18
Rifle Program
8am - 10am: Rifle Clinic (carport)
10am - 11am: Combined Range and Safety Briefing - Mandatory for Friday Arrivals! (carport)
11:30am - 1pm: Rifle Clinic, Intro to Wind Estimation (rifle range)
1pm - 4pm: Live fire (rifle range - targets to 1,000 yds)

Handgun Program
10am - 11am: Combined Range and Safety Briefing - Mandatory for Friday Arrivals! (carport)
11:00am - 12:30pm: Handgun Clinic (carport)
1pm - 2:30pm: Static live fire (pistol range)
1pm - 3pm: A clean gun is a happy gun (carport)
2:30 - 4pm: Briefing and Move & Shoot live fire (pistol range)

Saturday, 10/19
Rifle Program
9am - 10am: Combined Range and Safety Briefing - Mandatory for Saturday arrivals! (carport)
9am - 1pm: Live fire (rifle range)

Handgun Program
9am - 10am: Range and Safety Briefing - Mandatory for Saturday arrivals! (carport)
10am - Noon: A clean gun is a happy gun (carport)
9am - 1pm: Live fire (pistol range)

Again, these times are approximate and programs may change as weather conditions and participation warrant.

You will note there are combined rifle and handgun range safety briefings both days and attendance at one is mandatory. We take your safety seriously and ask everyone who plans to shoot to please also plan on attending this important briefing. All shooters are asked to check in with an RSO (sporting an Orange Cap of Dorkiness for easy identification) upon your arrival at either of the ranges who will answer questions and direct you to an open firing position. The RSOs wield unspeakable power so it is in your best interest to be nice to them.

If you are a novice shooter, or even have never been to the range before and think guns are icky, you are welcome to shoot! Just see an RSO and they will set you up with an experienced shooter to help you. If you miss the mandatory range safety briefing which is mandatory and must be attended, all is not lost. See an RSO to plead your case, be harangued and chastised, and then spend some punishment time on the Disciplinary Range of Shame. In the interests of time and to save yourself the humiliation, please make it to the scheduled range briefings. Thanks.

Finally, please plan on stopping somewhere along your way to Texas and picking up some ammunition if you plan to shoot and aren't bringing your own weapons. Everyone is very generous with sharing, but please don't rely on the generosity of others to provide everything for you. You can really help out by grabbing a box of 9mm or 5.56mm or whatever you want to shoot.

Call for Volunteers
Help! As I mentioned above, the shooting program in Texas continues to grow, and we wouldn't be able to do it without a lot of help. If you're interested in lending a hand in some capacity, please drop me a note at gunthread at protonmail dot com indicating your date and time of arrival, and we'll be in touch. Thank You!

RSOs from prior years: Expect an email from me soon.

If you are attending the TXMoMe this year, and all the cool kids are, please keep an eye on this section for important information and updates in the coming weeks! I also want to reiterate the TXMoMe is not a gun thing with some socializing attached, but rather is a social thing with some shooting attached. If you aren't a shooter, I guarantee you will not feel out of place and will have a great time. No fooling!

Are all y'all getting excited? Weasel are!!

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The FBI 10mm Story

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Sgt. York
Sgt York at the range with the '03 Springfield!

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Best of Yosemite Sam

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 BOOM!!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 07:00 PM (0XVad)

2 Good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2024 07:00 PM (fwDg9)

3 Here

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 07:00 PM (5US0U)

4 And first, now on to the content. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 07:00 PM (0XVad)

5 Top 10! Congrats Scoob on a two-week FIRST streak.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 01, 2024 07:01 PM (UyrjH)

6 Good evening gubthreaders and all the ships at sea!

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 01, 2024 07:03 PM (QfvaV)

7 Scoobs, you are fast on the trigger.
NTTAWWT..

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 07:03 PM (5US0U)

8 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 07:03 PM (yRXSd)

9 I was at the NoVa MoMe and I can attest that it was indeed a gathering of some of the finest folks I've ever met. And I'm a recluse who can't abide crowds of more than, say, two people.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 01, 2024 07:05 PM (CHHv1)

10 Good evening, Weasel. Thanks for fighting through the pain and shame to bring us the gun thread!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 01, 2024 07:05 PM (tT6L1)

11 I notice that the M1903s that they're handing out in that film clip are all "low number" rifles.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 01, 2024 07:08 PM (/y8xj)

12 9 Hole Reviews recently did a podcast about the Model 1917 "Enfield," shooting it w/ iron sights out to 500 yards (Spoiler: it passes, but not w/o some shooter error in using the sights). It also includes a discussion about whether Alvin York had a 1903 Springfield or 1917 "Enfield" that day. York's unit (like most AEF draftee units) was equipped with the 1917 "Enfield," but they do discuss whether it was possible for York himself to have "acquired" a Springfield sometime before his Medal of Honor action.

Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 07:08 PM (yRXSd)

13 Weasel, good to hear your recovery is coming along. As I noted in email to you yesterday, an excellent form of rest/rehab consists of sitting (foot up) while burning cured, fermented, aged tobacco leaf.

Burning an Aroma de Cuba connecticut here on yet another perfect summer afternoon.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2024 07:08 PM (8fUId)

14 Gub! Continue to get well, Weasel. We're all pullin' for ya!

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 01, 2024 07:09 PM (mH6SG)

15 I do not think of the TXMoMe to be gun oriented, it is also Food orientated!! Some damn tasty meals are to be had. I still remember that green chili that Ben Had made when I went to my first TXMoMe.
And also the people. Some of the finest folk one could meet.

And one cannot forget our hosts, Rancherbob, Cow Horse Queen and Ben Had. Even though it is still over a month away, thank you for your hospitality.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 07:09 PM (0XVad)

16 This here rifle-gun!

I love that movie.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 01, 2024 07:09 PM (d9fT1)

17 First September thread and First OF September thread!

Posted by: GWB at September 01, 2024 07:09 PM (CrXxA)

18 Do it while you still can. You may never get another chance to find out if these people really exist.

Posted by: fd at September 01, 2024 07:10 PM (vFG9F)

19 Now only if my shooting was as good as my being FIRST!!!! As Weasel says, you must practice the fundamentals.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 07:10 PM (0XVad)

20 Although ice and keeping it elevated
Make those little whiskey ice balls, fill a bag up with them. Then, as they seem on the verge of melting, take one out and drop it in your bourbon. Keep refilling the bourbon until the ice is gone. Then replace ice. And bourbon.

Is that the right medical advice?

Posted by: GWB at September 01, 2024 07:11 PM (CrXxA)

21 I also wonder if the wetting of the front sight was something York was actually known to do or if they just made that up for the movie. Seems like if anything it would cause more glare making it harder to keep the sight in focus.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 01, 2024 07:11 PM (/y8xj)

22 What size watch does Jonny Kim wear?

A: Any size he wants.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2024 07:12 PM (xvDSE)

23 I see my highly amusing and informative letter to the Pent Up Forum did not make the cut. Nevertheless I went to the range today and confirmed new stuff. Which I will know and you will not.

Anyway, Range Report!
I love my PSA AR 10. However!
You remember my forward assist broke early on. No biggie, not needed.
Today the paddle on my bolt release broke!
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

Do not like plastic. Or MIM. Or whatever.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 07:12 PM (5US0U)

24 And Weasel I sent you some info re Turkish coffee, per your request. Just before lighting this connecticut I had some Turkish coffee to go with an excellent little piece of baklava I picked up yesterday. Quite the combo.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2024 07:13 PM (8fUId)

25 Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 07:12 PM (5US0U)

There are some excellent aftermarket bolt releases. I have a couple on my ARs.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 01, 2024 07:14 PM (d9fT1)

26 !gnaB

Posted by: Eromero at September 01, 2024 07:15 PM (DXbAa)

27 Do it while you still can. You may never get another chance to find out if these people really exist.
Posted by: fd at September 01, 2024 07:10 PM (vFG9F)
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It really is the best place to meet your imaginary online friends in person!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 01, 2024 07:15 PM (BpYfr)

28 No range report. I will be heading to the range this Friday to take my newest acquisition for a spin.

I did do an inventory of my ammo. Not that it comes close to most of you, but I have:

.308 - 334 rounds
.45 - 400 rounds
.38 - 221 rounds
9mm - 1,590 rounds.
.223 - 150 rounds

I see this going up in a few years after I retire somewhere 2A friendly. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 07:15 PM (0XVad)

29 CBD, where, etc.?

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 07:15 PM (5US0U)

30 No matter how good you are at something, there's always an Asian that's better...and sometimes at everything.

Posted by: Crazy at September 01, 2024 07:16 PM (EES2L)

31 He's not credited, and it's not mentioned in Wikipedia or IMDB, but I think the next in line to get a gun (about 2:30) after Gary Cooper in the Sgt York clip is Jimmy from the Mickey Mouse Club.

Posted by: Eeyore at September 01, 2024 07:16 PM (1bNHn)

32 26 !gnaB

Posted by: Eromero at September 01, 2024 07:15 PM

Using the mirror app gives me Bang!

How are your Eromero? Looking forward to seeing you and the others next month.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 07:18 PM (0XVad)

33 Anyway, Range Report!
I love my PSA AR 10. However!
You remember my forward assist broke early on. No biggie, not needed.
Today the paddle on my bolt release broke!
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

Do not like plastic. Or MIM. Or whatever.

Maybe quit banging the rifle on the concrete floor and stomping on it with your steel-toed boots? Seriously, sounds like they have a QA problem, or several.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at September 01, 2024 07:18 PM (UyrjH)

34 Not bad, Scoobs.
I did an inventory of primed .308 and 6.5 CM today.
I need to make a massive of boolits to be able to reload them.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 07:19 PM (5US0U)

35 Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 07:12 PM (5US0U)

RI Red, can you get a replacement part (w/o too much hassle)? Was it really made out of plastic?

Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 07:20 PM (yRXSd)

36 I can not say this enough. It is all of YOU that make the TXMoMe such a great time.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 07:20 PM (WbH4L)

37 Why, yes, Weasel, as a matter of fact I have been to the range, today in fact! As some may recall, last week I was giddy over my acquisition of an SA-35, and today was my first time to shoot it. I have to admit that it took me a while to get accustomed to the trigger. It's different from a 1911 and from my FN Reflex (current EDC). It's not a bad trigger, it's just . . . different. Once I got used to the trigger, I found the gun to be quite accurate, and pleasant to shoot. I fired about 100 rounds of FMJ, Winchester and Remington hollow points, and Hornady Critical Defense. Not a hiccup.

I am well pleased.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 01, 2024 07:20 PM (LxryA)

38 Because there was no rifle match this weekend, I headed to the range to do a bit of pistol practice. My initial plan was our steel bay which is set up like a mini steel challenge. No bueno as the bay was in use so, plan B, next bay over.

I was worried my draw from concealment had gotten sloppy so, I got the timer and set things up to see how I did with the draw and shoot. My draw was slow, but, at 10 yards, the plate on the rack went over, so accuracy was there. I repeated several times and satisfied myself my draw, fire, accuracy and target transitions were all satisfactory. Granted, I'm not nearly as proficient as I was back when I was shooting IDPA and Steel challenge constantly, but, still decent enough for day to day.

Thanks, nurse, for inspiring me to get out and get the lint off the carry weapon.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 01, 2024 07:20 PM (tT6L1)

39 Speaking of AR10s and problems, mine still won't feed from the magazine. Last (and first) time I had it out to the range was last fall before we moved. At that time, the problem was that the tip of the bullet hit the back edge of the chamber about (guessing, not measured) 20-thousandths too low and jamming. I finally got around to unboxing my gear from the move and looked at it again. I had thought that maybe my OAL was too long but that wasn't it. It's the same as Federal factory loads. A bit of googling said it might be the Magpul mags. I bought a ProMag metal one and it feeds exactly the same. I contacted Aero Precision's support chat and the guy just told me to put in a RMA request under warranty. I did that two weeks ago and haven't heard anything back yet. Based on my previous experience, I don't expect to for at least a couple of months.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 01, 2024 07:20 PM (/y8xj)

40 Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2024 07:13 PM (8fUId)
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Thanks amigo, and apologies in advance to all y'all for the content impaired thread tonite. If I keep my leg down for any period of time everything below the knee starts to hurt.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 07:21 PM (uGpeQ)

41 It really is the best place to meet your imaginary online friends in person!
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 01, 2024 07:15 PM (BpYfr)
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And try to convince the horde one doesn't have an imaginary friend!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 01, 2024 07:21 PM (tT6L1)

42 Schorfle, that is one thing I have heard. Not so much a QA problem as knowing what you are ordering.
Now, I need to go through the rifle and replace anything that might be plastic.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 07:22 PM (5US0U)

43 Last week we did a steel shoot. Here's a thing I learned about red dots. The brightness adjustment is there for a reason.

Steel shoot is indoor and the range is dimly lit. I think the brightness button on the dot got pressed while in the range bag. It was at max brightness which was TOO bright. It totally washed out the targets.

So that's something I will need to check for in the future.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 01, 2024 07:22 PM (QfvaV)

44 I see this going up in a few years after I retire somewhere 2A friendly. :-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 07:15 PM (0XVad)

And if you buy an NFA Class III firearm, your attempts to increase your on-hand inventory of ammo for that caliber will prove futile.

Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 07:23 PM (yRXSd)

45 See an RSO to plead your case, be harangued and chastised

Could we get a teleprompter this year to guide us through the haranguing and chastising presentations? Personally, I'm very introverted, shy, and have considerable difficulty with these advanced modalities of public speaking.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2024 07:23 PM (xvDSE)

46 I look at the TX MoMe range picture and remember about this time last year being quite intimidated at the idea of hitting something at 1,000 yards.

This year, I'm probably not nearly as intimidated.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 01, 2024 07:25 PM (tT6L1)

47 Bullseye at 4 o'clock??

The Horde can do better than that!

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 01, 2024 07:25 PM (CEzQx)

48 ICYMI, Springfield Armory has mags on sale for Labor Day. Since we've been talking about buying extra mags. I picked up one for the SA-35 and one 1911 mag.

Posted by: screaming in digital at September 01, 2024 07:25 PM (iZbyp)

49 Weasel, sorry you are hors de combat. Whatever that means.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 07:25 PM (5US0U)

50 Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2024 07:23 PM (xvDSE)
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We've discussed adding a public flogging element for a few years and maybe it's time to finally put that in place!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 07:26 PM (uGpeQ)

51 Weasel, sorry you are hors de combat. Whatever that means.
Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 07:25 PM

That's what your horse doovers are promoted to when they're so good that people fight over them.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2024 07:27 PM (xvDSE)

52 I'm trying to imagine someone pleading their case to someone wearing the hat of safety and authority.

Do we get to banish people if they guffaw at the sight of the orange hat of dorkiness?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 01, 2024 07:28 PM (tT6L1)

53 Since I haven’t bought/sold gubs nuch for a few years, and reload almost everything I shoot, I rarely am in a fun store. Yesterday went to a Turner’s to use a gift card I won in a raffle at our annual RSO dinner. Obviously I don’t reload 22LR, so decided to top off the (smallish) stockpile of that.

Took quite a while. Clerks were all busy with paperwork (4473s, “safety” tests, actually processing people picking up their gun purchases).

And of course even *ammo* in CA requires you to be in a background check system (I am, thanks to last gun buy after new idiotic law went into effect). So even selling me some boxes of 22 took some b.s. bureaucracy.

Good news is clerk gave me a sale price on the ammo, and he said gun business had been good going on several years. I don’t think the 2020 panic ever really abated, as far as firearm sales here. At least the new non-panic baseline was raised substantially.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2024 07:28 PM (8fUId)

54 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 01, 2024 07:25 PM (tT6L1)
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I vividly recall my first look at a 1000yd rifle range and thinking it was impossible.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 07:28 PM (uGpeQ)

55 Cool! I've got the chaps and the whips for the flogging.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 07:29 PM (WbH4L)

56 7 Scoobs, you are fast on the trigger.
NTTAWWT..

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 07:03 PM (5US0U)
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That's what she said.

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, e molto imbarazzante #14 at September 01, 2024 07:29 PM (qfLjt)

57 Dct, Gub thread and food thread!

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 07:29 PM (5US0U)

58 Soooo...

We have an opportunity, possibly, of more than doubling the size of blaster acres.

It would give us a stretch of a whole mile. That would make some range!

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 01, 2024 07:29 PM (QfvaV)

59 Hi Weasel
I still have my orange hat. Feel free to add me to the roster. As long as guns are involved, I'm in.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 01, 2024 07:30 PM (t/2Uw)

60 Do we get to banish people if they guffaw at the sight of the orange hat of dorkiness?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 01, 2024 07:28 PM (tT6L1)
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There's a whole process for that.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 07:31 PM (uGpeQ)

61
We have an opportunity, possibly, of more than doubling the size of blaster acres.

It would give us a stretch of a whole mile. That would make some range!
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 01, 2024 07:29 PM (QfvaV)
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If you do that I expect range reports shooting out to 2,000 yards with a 375 Cheytac!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 01, 2024 07:31 PM (tT6L1)

62 I vividly recall my first look at a 1000yd rifle range and thinking it was impossible.
Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 07:28 PM (uGpeQ)

Ain’t it the truth.
There are days I still think so.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 07:31 PM (5US0U)

63 I am well pleased.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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Very happy to read this! Congrats again!

Posted by: screaming in digital at September 01, 2024 07:31 PM (iZbyp)

64 Ain’t it the truth.
There are days I still think so.
Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 07:31 PM (5US0U)
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Some days the range is angry.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 07:33 PM (uGpeQ)

65 (peeks through window, nods head)

Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at September 01, 2024 07:33 PM (EDNof)

66 Here is something that makes me think that gun manufacturers do not care to do business in NY or maybe just NYC.
My newest Sig came with two 8 round magazines (I have .45 Sig 1911) and I wanted to get two more magazines because why not?

NYC has a 10 round capacity restriction for handguns.

So I go onto the Sig website, find the magazines and select them for purchase. The website asks me my zip code as it says some states have restrictions, so I enter my zip code.
It then came back that there was not a single magazine from them that I could buy. Everything came back "not available in your area" Effing NY :-(

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 07:33 PM (0XVad)

67 There's a whole process for that.
Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 07:31 PM (uGpeQ)
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Does the process include running a gauntlet?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 01, 2024 07:33 PM (tT6L1)

68 I've pointed this out before but ammoseek has a feature to find magazines.

We say buy guns and ammo, but buy mags, too.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 01, 2024 07:34 PM (QfvaV)

69 Took quite a while. Clerks were all busy with paperwork (4473s, “safety” tests, actually processing people picking up their gun purchases).

And of course even *ammo* in CA requires you to be in a background check system...
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CARTEL GUNMEN EXEMPT, OF COURSE: Bonta-flation: Cali AG Wants to Jack Up Ammo “Background” Check Fee from $1 to $5. So cheesy.
Posted at 4:00 pm by Glenn Reynolds

BTW, here you just need your PAL licence and pay.

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 01, 2024 07:34 PM (CEzQx)

70 44 And if you buy an NFA Class III firearm, your attempts to increase your on-hand inventory of ammo for that caliber will prove futile.

Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 07:23 PM

What a nice problem to have. :-)

Will you be going to Texas this year Ed L?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 07:35 PM (0XVad)

71 Does the process include running a gauntlet?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 01, 2024 07:33 PM (tT6L1)
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Well yes, a gauntlet and completion of a number of forms.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 07:35 PM (uGpeQ)

72 Scuba dude.
You have properly shamed me into an inventory. It's been too long.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 01, 2024 07:36 PM (W/lyH)

73 I was checking out some property for sale on gooble Earth, about 50 acres, on the edge of a creek, and discovered that directly on the other side of the creek and swamp there was a gun club and 3 ranges, all pointed in the direction of the aforementioned property.

Posted by: fd at September 01, 2024 07:37 PM (vFG9F)

74 32 26 !gnaB

Posted by: Eromero at September 01, 2024 07:15 PM

Using the mirror app gives me Bang!

How are your 32 26 !gnaB

Posted by: Eromero at September 01, 2024 07:15 PM

Using the mirror app gives me Bang!

How are your Eromero? Looking forward to seeing you and the others next month.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 07:18 PM (0XVad)? Looking forward to seeing you and the others next month.
Posted by: Scubadude
Dude at September 01, 2024 07:18 PM (0XVad)
I’m good. See you soonest.

Posted by: Eromero at September 01, 2024 07:38 PM (DXbAa)

75 And Weasel I sent you some info re Turkish coffee, per your request.
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Medium-sweet??

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 01, 2024 07:39 PM (CEzQx)

76 72 Posted by: Diogenes at September 01, 2024 07:36 PM

Not my intent. And you will probably shame me for such a meager inventory. ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 07:39 PM (0XVad)

77 Posted by: screaming in digital at September 01, 2024 07:25 PM (iZbyp)

I picked up a couple of Mec-Gar mags for about 10 bucks cheaper than Springfield Armory sells them. Exact same magazine, without the SA logo.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 01, 2024 07:39 PM (LxryA)

78 Ain’t it the truth.
There are days I still think so.
Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 07:31 PM (5US0U)
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Some days the range is angry.
Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 07:33 PM (uGpeQ)
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Ain't that the truth. It's unnatural for a bullet to move 10" left @ 500 meters.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 01, 2024 07:39 PM (tT6L1)

79 64 Ain’t it the truth.
There are days I still think so.
Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 07:31 PM (5US0U)
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Some days the range is angry.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 07:33 PM

Or sadistic. Wind? you think you know the wind? guess again.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 07:41 PM (0XVad)

80 @ scuba dude, your location is such any inventory is to be marveled at. Were you to live in a more gun friendly state, then the mockery might commence.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 01, 2024 07:42 PM (tT6L1)

81 andycanuck, I usually add just a bit of sugar. Today, with baklava, I left out the sugar and the bitter coffee was perfect for the situation.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2024 07:42 PM (8fUId)

82 Dove season opened today. Feral hog season is everyday.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 07:43 PM (WbH4L)

83 I am also wearing an orthopedic boot of shame, weakness, humiliation and Range Babe repellent to facilitate resting the joint.

You let the rice inside get wet, and now it's moldy, didn't you?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2024 07:43 PM (xvDSE)

84 Diogenes, I just ambled downstairs (to the pleasant sound of tumbling brass) to do an inventory of boolits.
6.5 is good (I have 120 g boolits?!),but .308 is telling me a Midway order is in order.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 07:44 PM (5US0U)

85 Today, with baklava, I left out the sugar and the bitter coffee was perfect for the situation.
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I don't remember James Bond and the Turkish intelligence head having baklava with their coffee but your way sounds better.

Posted by: andycanuck (CEzQx) at September 01, 2024 07:46 PM (CEzQx)

86 Anyway, Range Report!
I love my PSA AR 10. However!
You remember my forward assist broke early on. No biggie, not needed.
Today the paddle on my bolt release broke!
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

Do not like plastic. Or MIM. Or whatever.
Posted by: RI Red
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First check with PSA about compatibility but that sounds like a contractor shipped PSA some lousy MIM parts. If compatible, I would put Aero Precision lower parts on it. DPMS should be okay as well.

There may be one or two parts in those Aero Precision or DPMS parts that are not compatible but I don't think so. Armalite pattern AR 10 has several parts that are not compatible but the main difference between Aero Precision is that it has a high upper receiver (affecting scope mounts) and DPMS made both high (copied by Aero) and low upper receivers (copied by PSA).

This is from memory but there is a website especially for checking parts compatibility between AR 10's different makes.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 07:47 PM (kW+z9)

87 80 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 01, 2024 07:42 PM

I do think living where I do has kept me from spending many $$$ buying pew pews and their food. So that has been somewhat of a blessing.

Let's look at that inventory a year after moving to a friendly state. ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 07:47 PM (0XVad)

88 We say buy guns and ammo, but buy mags, too.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 01, 2024 07:34 PM (QfvaV)

FYI, Wilson Combat has 20% off most of its magazine lineup for Labor Day weekend. If you have a 1911, this is the place for some of the best 1911 magazines on the market today.

Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 07:48 PM (yRXSd)

89 You let the rice inside get wet, and now it's moldy, didn't you?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2024 07:43 PM (xvDSE)
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Ha! I had my other ankle (I have two) worked on a few years back and was surprised WW had kept it (the boot) stashed in the basement taking up valuable ammo space. Anyhow, the ol foot is pretty bruised and even wearing a sock hurts a week later, so I'm not yet a full boot adopter.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 07:48 PM (uGpeQ)

90 I picked up a couple of Mec-Gar mags for about 10 bucks cheaper than Springfield Armory sells them. Exact same magazine, without the SA logo.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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Glad to hear that SA-35 is compatible with MecGar mags. I think the new Browning High Power is not.
Dunno about the Tisas or EAA Turkish ones.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 07:48 PM (kW+z9)

91 Cheap Guns.. Cheap.

PSA is running a daily deal with free shipping of three (X3) stealth stripped lowers for $110.00 (plus tax). That's less than $37 each.

Having to ship to local FFLs I make a couplesof calls to see what they would charge for the service. Clearly explain what the deal was and they tell me the charge would be $35 transfer fee for each 'firearm' plus $5 bckground check... so gonna charge me $110 for being a passthrough? 100% markup.

So, local bigbox BassPro has low end stripped lower for $65 (including fees)... Might just buy one, not because need, but chump change and spite. Go back to guys that quoted 100% mark-up, see what they have for cheap lowers, tell them what just just transpired and then, "Bye".

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 01, 2024 07:49 PM (/lPRQ)

92 Whig, thank you!
I’d think (hope) that a bolt release paddle could not be that different between different manufacturers.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 07:50 PM (5US0U)

93 You let the rice inside get wet, and now it's moldy, didn't you?

Call it a poultice.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at September 01, 2024 07:51 PM (jUVbH)

94 Will you be going to Texas this year Ed L?
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 07:35 PM (0XVad)

I will. And I just sent in a permission slip to BATFE for them to allow some NFA stuff to take a road trip.

Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 07:51 PM (yRXSd)

95 89 Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 07:48 PM

The boot can be used for either foot? I would have thought for comfort and a better fit they would have either a left foot or right foot only.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 07:51 PM (0XVad)

96 hors de combat. Whatever that means.
Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 07:25 PM (5US0U)

I thought it meant Army food. Like hors d'oeuvre means "food you can't fill up on."

Posted by: GWB at September 01, 2024 07:51 PM (CrXxA)

97 FYI, Wilson Combat has 20% off most of its magazine lineup for Labor Day weekend. If you have a 1911, this is the place for some of the best 1911 magazines on the market today.
Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 07:48 PM (yRXSd)
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Agreed. Thanks for the heads up.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 07:52 PM (uGpeQ)

98
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 01, 2024 07:52 PM (tljrc)

99 94 Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 07:51 PM

Nice, I see myself hanging around the handgun section a little more this year. (Ducks head in anticipation of Weasel yelling "TRAITOR") :-p

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 07:53 PM (0XVad)

100 FWIW, Brownells (selling Wolff springs) and Wolff Springs direct have new mag springs for Browning High Power mags as well as other makes. Good to revitalize an older mag with a new spring. Can resolve some feeding problems.

Wolff Gunsprings (use that as a search term) are great folks to work with and they have a substantial amount of individual springs and spring kits for rebuilding many firearms including out of manufacture ones.

Cheap enough and very high quality. If you have some firearms for serious social purposes, I would pick up a total spring kit from them for your sidearm or long arm model.

I buy direct from them nowadays.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 07:53 PM (kW+z9)

101 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 07:51 PM (0XVad)
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That was going to be my reason for not using it, but apparently they aren't R or L specific.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 07:54 PM (uGpeQ)

102 Also, today I set up a new portable target stand to replace the beat-up weather worn one I had at 7 yards, so now I have some decent pistol targets at 5, 7, and 10 yards. I also hung my new 12X30 steel silhouette target and tried it out. Rings pretty.
Tomorrow, weather permitting, I'm going to re-zero my SOCOM-16 and see how the steel rings at 100 yards. I guess it's a Springfield Armory weekend for me.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 01, 2024 07:54 PM (LxryA)

103 Glad to hear that SA-35 is compatible with MecGar mags. I think the new Browning High Power is not.
Dunno about the Tisas or EAA Turkish ones.
Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 07:48 PM (kW+z9)

I understand that all of the clones are compatible w/ original BHP magazines. The new (2022) FN High Power is a new design both internally and externally. It has zero compatibility w/ the original. See my write up about it from last October (same weekend as last year's MoMe).

Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 07:54 PM (yRXSd)

104 Anyway, after all is said and done, I really like my PSA AR 10.
But it does not shoot well suppressed.
Big deal. It’s a main battle rifle. Noise is ok.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 07:54 PM (5US0U)

105 All kidding aside, it's time to get serious, and discuss a situation that Weasel, being the man he is, did not want to burden us with.

Last week, the Food Thread has more comments than the Gun Thread did. This resulted in the predictable 7:00 a.m. (EDT) Zoom call from Ace to Weasel. These are no fun in the best of circumstances, and these were not the best of circumstances, given that Weasel was suffering from the agony of da feet!

The Food Thread is currently at 272 comments. We must endeavor to save Weasel from the agony of listening to angry, castigating, chastising, and haranging squeeks, chirps, grunts, and whistles from an Ewok at 7:00 a.m. in the morning!

#CommentEarly, #CommentOften

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2024 07:54 PM (xvDSE)

106 101 Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 07:54 PM

Interesting. Maybe you should bring along a cane for the TXMome. You can use it to whack recalcitrant RSO's ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 07:56 PM (0XVad)

107 I thought it meant Army food. Like hors d'oeuvre means "food you can't fill up on."
Posted by: GWB
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If you eat Army food, then YOU are hors de combat (aka out of action). Army as a rule has much worse food than the Air Force or Navy. Dunno about Marine chow. I think they only drink beer for nutrition.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 07:56 PM (kW+z9)

108 #CommentEarly, #CommentOften
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2024 07:54 PM (xvDSE)
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This!!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 07:56 PM (uGpeQ)

109 I’d think (hope) that a bolt release paddle could not be that different between different manufacturers.
Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 07:50 PM (5US0U)

Unlike the AR-15, the AR-10 never gained acceptance from DOD until the Army picked it up as the M110. So everyone can have a slightly different take on the AR-10 platform.

Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 07:57 PM (yRXSd)

110 By the way, weasel, I have succumbed to the siren song of gun modifications. After adding a bolt lift kit to the Savage, I decided I needed a bolt handle upgrade. I'm also adding more weight to the rifle chassis.

I will probably get a new trigger spring kit, too. There's one on the market which will reduce the pull from its current 2.5 lbs to 12 ounces.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 01, 2024 07:57 PM (tT6L1)

111 Johnny Kim sounds like an impressive man. But can he play a banjo? On top of everything else that would be impressive. Especially if he smuggles a banjo into space.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 01, 2024 07:57 PM (/lPRQ)

112 all pointed in the direction of the aforementioned property.
Posted by: fd at September 01, 2024 07:37 PM (vFG9F)

Sounds like a negotiation point. Ahem.

Posted by: GWB at September 01, 2024 07:57 PM (CrXxA)

113 104 Anyway, after all is said and done, I really like my PSA AR 10.
But it does not shoot well suppressed.
Big deal. It’s a main battle rifle. Noise is ok.
Posted by: RI Red
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Change your gas block to adjustable type that fits your barrel. Hopefully you have nothing pinned like your gas block.

There are some adjustable gas keys for the bolt carrier but I only have used it on a short barrel AR in 5.56 pistol build because the gas block was friggin pinned. Might work on the AR-10 bolt but I would check with the mfg (Rubber City Armory is the one I used) and you would need to replace the gas key on your AR 10 that could affect your PSA AR 10 warranty.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 07:59 PM (kW+z9)

114 109 Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 07:57 PM

My nephew has been looking at reviews of AR-10's. It is making him think of building one. Something beyond my skill and patience level.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 08:01 PM (0XVad)

115 I will probably get a new trigger spring kit, too. There's one on the market which will reduce the pull from its current 2.5 lbs to 12 ounces.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 01, 2024 07:57 PM (tT6L1)
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I had all of my match triggers set the same at 1.5#. I knew some guys with as little as 8oz which is just asking for trouble.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 08:01 PM (uGpeQ)

116 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 07:53 PM (0XVad)

If BATFE gives the OK, I think your time at the handgun range will not be a total waste.

Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 08:01 PM (yRXSd)

117 Good evening to all and thank you Weasel. Sorry to hear that still hurting.
No range time - been fighting off a sinus infection and bronchitis since Wednesday. Have been practicing speed reloading my new shotgun. CZ Hammer SxS coach gun.
Have a great Labor Day all!

Posted by: Coelacanth at September 01, 2024 08:02 PM (hNXse)

118 Glad to hear that SA-35 is compatible with MecGar mags. I think the new Browning High Power is not.
Dunno about the Tisas or EAA Turkish ones.
Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 07:48 PM (kW+z9)

The new FN High Power is a High Power in name only. It's cosmetically similar to the old P35 but is a completely different gun. Almost no parts compatibility between the new and the old. Not a bad gun, but not a Browning High Power.

Mec-Gar makes the OEM magazines for the SA-35. The old High Power mags fit the SA-35, and vice versa.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 01, 2024 08:03 PM (LxryA)

119 116 Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 08:01 PM

I have thoughts about that agency that I will keep to myself.
I like this smart military blog to much. :-D

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 08:04 PM (0XVad)

120 Unlike the AR-15, the AR-10 never gained acceptance from DOD until the Army picked it up as the M110. So everyone can have a slightly different take on the AR-10 platform.
Posted by: Ed L
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Ed, the older Armalite pattern which was taken from the original AR-10 design has largely faded away due to parts incompatibility. DPMS then made one for Sportsmen around the same time that Cerberus Hedge fund was buying up Remington, Marlin, etc. and DPMS.

DPMS has two patterns--a high upper receiver that is just a tad higher (Aero Precision) and a lower upper receiver pattern (PSA). Some folks report having trouble with one or the other on interchangeability of parts but part of that is probably tolerance stacking from different mfgs. of the parts.

You have to actually check with other mfgs of AR-10's if you are buying a whole rifle as that will affect what handguards work with which DPMS pattern.

Armalite pattern AR-10s were never that popular and more expensive. Most of those and the one or two duplicate manufacturers of Armalite patterns sold complete rifles rather than parts.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 08:05 PM (kW+z9)

121 Has been kind of quiet so far this weekend on the blog. I will do my best to help with the comment count but not having a range report kind of hampers my ability to stay awake.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 01, 2024 08:05 PM (t/2Uw)

122 Weasel, sorry about your ankle. Things that heal slowly are really annoying. It's not right! People have things to do!

I never thought I'd have a reason to dislike the Arizona heat, but I am getting really eager to get back to an outdoor range. It's just more fun. Shouldn't be too long now, I hope. I had to scurry indoors in late May, so it's at least as far from the solstice at that was, so...maybe I'll give it a try this week, or next.

Still, the last range session was enlightening. Labor Day impending was all the goad I needed to start focusing on the pistol I expect to bring to Texas, instead of the big heavy fun stuff, so that I do not embarrass the Splunge household. It's a work in progress. I still have to concentrate to remember about 5 things I need to do every time. Someday, they will all be automatic, and that day cannot come soon enough.

Posted by: Splunge at September 01, 2024 08:08 PM (hmKaK)

123 Whig, I have the adjustable gas block. Unsuppressed it lays the brass out at 90 degrees about 5 feet. Suppressed it ejects 45 degrees 10 feet.
Accuracy degrades suppressed. We’re talking 1.5 to 2.0 down to1 MOA.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 08:08 PM (5US0U)

124 Dunno about Marine chow. I think they only drink beer for nutrition.
Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 07:56 PM (kW+z9)

Beer, beans and wienies, and Tabasco sauce. Breakfast of Champions! Except in the Air Wing, where breakfast consists of a stale beer, a cigarette, and a puke.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at September 01, 2024 08:08 PM (LxryA)

125 Bereli had a sale on Glock mags but when I went to look, they had every model except the G48.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 01, 2024 08:09 PM (t/2Uw)

126 Weasel did a great summary of the the MoMe but I will add that the MoMe runs into the wee hours of the morning as we have no time constraints. Great conversations under the stars with amazing people.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 08:09 PM (WbH4L)

127 Has been kind of quiet so far this weekend on the blog. I will do my best to help with the comment count but not having a range report kind of hampers my ability to stay awake.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 01, 2024 08:05 PM

Perhaps share your viewpoint(s) on 9mm vs. .45 ACP?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2024 08:09 PM (xvDSE)

128 My nephew has been looking at reviews of AR-10's. It is making him think of building one. Something beyond my skill and patience level.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude
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Scoob. It is not hard to build an AR-10. Basically an enlarged AR-15 with some minor differences in the major parts-upper receiver, bolt, barrel, mag, and lower receiver. Uses a different buffer too.

That being said, build an AR first to get the hang of it. Cheaper if you mess up--the main issue that gets people into trouble on AR patterns is overtorquing the barrel nut and cracking the upper as a result.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 08:09 PM (kW+z9)

129 Especially if he smuggles a banjo into space.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 01, 2024 07:57 PM (/lPRQ)

He might be out in space, depending on the musical tastes of the other crew members.

Posted by: GWB at September 01, 2024 08:10 PM (CrXxA)

130 Posted by: Splunge at September 01, 2024 08:08 PM (hmKaK)
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Thanks!

Ever thought about having someone take video of you shooting?

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 08:10 PM (uGpeQ)

131 123 Whig, I have the adjustable gas block. Unsuppressed it lays the brass out at 90 degrees about 5 feet. Suppressed it ejects 45 degrees 10 feet.
Accuracy degrades suppressed. We’re talking 1.5 to 2.0 down to1 MOA.
Posted by: RI Red
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Interesting. Rifle length gas system?

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 08:10 PM (kW+z9)

132 My nephew has been looking at reviews of AR-10's. It is making him think of building one. Something beyond my skill and patience level.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 08:01 PM (0XVad)

My recommendations (IF you have the $$) are the KAC SR-25 (aka the M110 Semi-automatic Sniper System, SASS) or the H&K MR 762A1 (aka the M110A1 Squad Designated Marksman Rifle, SDMR). Considering what those things go for, you should be getting the cream of the AR-10 crop. The civilian version may not have every single feature of the military guns, but you can create a pretty good clone if that's what you're looking for.

Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 08:11 PM (yRXSd)

133 I mentioned here at the GUB last week that I once suffered a pretty severe high ankle sprain. We sometimes forget that those types of trauma usually include torn tissue. Often not enough to require surgical repair but indicating a relatively long healing process. I pushed mine too fast and paid for it. I'm not she sharpest knife in the drawer. Heh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 01, 2024 08:11 PM (mH6SG)

134 Yosemite Sam is the greatest character produced by Warner Brothers and by the greatest character producer of all time, Mel Blanc. Mel is the most talented man I've ever seen, and created the best characters of all time. I dare you to tell me someone better. I rank him above Shakespeare, Dante, etc.

Posted by: irright at September 01, 2024 08:11 PM (8nkyI)

135 Beer, beans and wienies, and Tabasco sauce. Breakfast of Champions! Except in the Air Wing, where breakfast consists of a stale beer, a cigarette, and a puke.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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That diet right there will make you a lean mean fighting machine.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 08:11 PM (kW+z9)

136 I had all of my match triggers set the same at 1.5#. I knew some guys with as little as 8oz which is just asking for trouble.
Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 08:01 PM (uGpeQ)
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Hmm, okay. I will head the words of wisdom and see if I can find something that isn't quite a light. If I can find a 12oz trigger spring, stands to reason I should be able to find something a bit heavier.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 01, 2024 08:12 PM (tT6L1)

137 130 Ever thought about having someone take video of you shooting?
Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 08:10 PM (uGpeQ)

Hmmm, no. What are you thinking here?

Posted by: Splunge at September 01, 2024 08:12 PM (hmKaK)

138 If BATFE gives the OK, I think your time at the handgun range will not be a total waste.
Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 08:01 PM (yRXSd)

If it's what I think it is, I sure would like to know how it performs at the shoot-n-scoot event. A serious comparison to pistols.

Posted by: GWB at September 01, 2024 08:12 PM (CrXxA)

139 Whig, yup. I have it adjusted appropriately, I think. Suppressed, the bolt barely locks back on the last round.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 08:13 PM (5US0U)

140 GWB, might you come and find out in person?

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 08:14 PM (WbH4L)

141 Scoob. It is not hard to build an AR-10.

Referring to the compatibility issues mentioned above, it will probably save you some headache if you don't mix-and-match manufacturers for the upper, lower, and parts kit. A friend of mine recently found out the hard way that a DPMS takedown pin does not work with an Aero lower even though Aero's customer support says it should.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 01, 2024 08:14 PM (z/82j)

142 Perhaps share your viewpoint(s) on 9mm vs. .45 ACP?

Posted by: Duncanthrax

Funny you should mention that. After shooting Blaster's Kimber in 45 acp, I decide to buy a Kimber in 9mm for the sole reason that the ammo is cheaper. I am Jewish after all and we are known for our frugality.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 01, 2024 08:14 PM (t/2Uw)

143 NASA astronaut stuck in space reports ‘strange noises’ coming from troubled Starliner capsule. He states it sounded like..........

"BIDEN SHIT'N IN HIS PANTS" !!!!!!!

Posted by: CNN Breaking News at September 01, 2024 08:14 PM (Qfk4E)

144 According to the internet the bolt catch on an AR10 is different from an AR15. AND there are different catches based on whether its a DPMS or Armalite pattern. Though it seems like PSA is...neither.

But most like DPMS. The PSA one is $10.

https://tinyurl.com/ydmfshhj

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at September 01, 2024 08:15 PM (QfvaV)

145 @RI Red, I ran across a ewe tube video which mentioned how dirty brass from a suppressed rifle is. From what I gather, the suppressor forces gas back down the barrel. Any chance that's the reason why there's such an ejection difference?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 01, 2024 08:15 PM (tT6L1)

146 Weasel did a great summary of the the MoMe but I will add that the MoMe runs into the wee hours of the morning as we have no time constraints. Great conversations under the stars with amazing people.

What great fun that must be. Hope this year is even better than the last. *cheers*

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 01, 2024 08:16 PM (mH6SG)

147 Went to the range with my old Sig 232. Wonderful, underrated, accurate gun. Might become my new EDC.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at September 01, 2024 08:16 PM (a9z8U)

148 whig, I do hope life and circumstances are aligning in our favor.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 08:16 PM (WbH4L)

149 Yosemite Sam is the greatest character produced
Posted by: irright at September 01, 2024 08:11 PM (8nkyI)

I realized watching that video that I learned to curse from Yosemite as a kid. That whole gibberish cursing rant is classic.

And concur on Shakespeare, Dante, etc.

Posted by: GWB at September 01, 2024 08:18 PM (CrXxA)

150 128 Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 08:09 PM

I would love to build my own AR, but I know my limitations. Thankfully I do have the funds (for now) to buy a decent platform. I would like an AR-15 in .556, I have the patience to wait before acquiring one.
With luck NY would be forced to drop some of the stupid things in the unSAFE law that prevents me from buy a regular, common place AR like the majority of the country can buy.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 08:18 PM (0XVad)

151 Blake, you are absolutely right. Much more pressure. The gas also makes every round in the mag filthy. I am not that concerned with suppression. Just interested in where it will go.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 08:18 PM (5US0U)

152 If it helps, RI Red, I have a JP Enterprises adjustable gas block on my rifle length gas system but those rocking suppressors back in pre Covid days loved Superlative Arms gas blocks specifically designed for shooting with suppressors on or off.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 08:19 PM (kW+z9)

153 Notorious BFD, it is the highlight of my year. This is year # 9

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 08:19 PM (WbH4L)

154 Ben Had I almost sent you a picture this week. My 7 aalmost 8 year old granddaughter started 2nd grade. They give them a little chalkboard with the teacher's name and has their age and what they want to be when they grow up for a picture. My granddaughter said she wanted to be a horseback rider.
Made me smile.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 01, 2024 08:20 PM (t/2Uw)

155 GWB, might you come and find out in person?
Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 08:14 PM (WbH4L)

Not this year, I'm afraid. I hope to have a better handle on the near future early next summer, though.

But it is on my list - along with the cross-country trip with my son to see my mom.

Posted by: GWB at September 01, 2024 08:20 PM (CrXxA)

156 Armalite pattern AR-10s were never that popular and more expensive. Most of those and the one or two duplicate manufacturers of Armalite patterns sold complete rifles rather than parts.
Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 08:05 PM (kW+z9)

Back when I first started getting into firearms, all of the old timers I knew considered the AR-10 as a dead end in firearms development. They considered the accurized M14 (M21 sniper rifle) a better choice for both reliability and accuracy. I was surprised when I encountered an M110 SASS in the hands of an SF guy in Kabul in 2011 and found out that the M14/M21 had been demoted from the sniper role to a designated marksman rifle (mostly). Until then, I thought that the AR-10 was dead as a military rifle.

Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 08:21 PM (yRXSd)

157 Notorious BFD, it is the highlight of my year. This is year # 9

Year #9? That is just freaking awesome, Ben Had.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 01, 2024 08:21 PM (mH6SG)

158 Sharon, I would love to see it. Kid and horses. Nothing finer.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 08:22 PM (WbH4L)

159 148 whig, I do hope life and circumstances are aligning in our favor.
Posted by: Ben Had
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My dosage is now doubled on my arthritis injectable (Cosentyx) for the last month. That and the decline in very hot weather we've had should have me feeling a bit better. Main issue now is my mother's condition and my wife's ability to get off the days to make Friday. We are talking about it and it would be much easier on me if both of us drive.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 08:22 PM (kW+z9)

160 Hmmm, no. What are you thinking here?
Posted by: Splunge at September 01, 2024 08:12 PM (hmKaK)
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A lot of stuff might show up in video that you're unaware of. Lots of golfers do the same thing.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 08:23 PM (uGpeQ)

161 >>> Weasel, good to hear your recovery is coming along. As I noted in email to you yesterday, an excellent form of rest/rehab consists of sitting (foot up) while burning cured, fermented, aged tobacco leaf...

Wouldn't that be a maduro?

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 01, 2024 08:24 PM (/lPRQ)

162 @Ed L, I'm surprised people thought the AR-10 was a dead end. The basic AR platform lends itself to superior accuracy in a semi auto, from what I've seen.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 01, 2024 08:24 PM (tT6L1)

163 132 Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 08:11 PM

As I responded to whig, the NY unSAFE act prevents me from buying a typical AR.

Here is what I am dealing with:

Rifles requiring registration are semiautomatic rifles capable of receiving a detachable magazine and have one or more of the following "military characteristics:

Folding or Telescoping stock
Protruding Pistol Grip
Thumbhole Stock
Second handgrip or protruding grip that can be held by non shooting hand
Bayonet Mount
Flash supressor
Muzzle Brake
Muzzle Compensator
Threaded barrel designed to accommodate the above
Any AR I want has one or more of these features.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 08:25 PM (0XVad)

164 Back when I first started getting into firearms, all of the old timers I knew considered the AR-10 as a dead end in firearms development. They considered the accurized M14 (M21 sniper rifle) a better choice for both reliability and accuracy. I was surprised when I encountered an M110 SASS in the hands of an SF guy in Kabul in 2011 and found out that the M14/M21 had been demoted from the sniper role to a designated marksman rifle (mostly). Until then, I thought that the AR-10 was dead as a military rifle.
Posted by: Ed L
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Both the AR-10 and the FAL did better in trials initially than the M-14 but the Army kept changing the test conditions and adding functionality to the M-14 that it was unsuited for. Classic study in bad procurement procedures by Uncle Sam and then the production problems of the M-14 made it worse.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 08:25 PM (kW+z9)

165 160 A lot of stuff might show up in video that you're unaware of. Lots of golfers do the same thing.
Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 08:23 PM (uGpeQ)

Sounds like an excellent idea. I bet there is stuff like that. I will ask Mrs. Splunge to take the video as soon as we can get back to the outdoor range.

Posted by: Splunge at September 01, 2024 08:26 PM (hmKaK)

166 If it's what I think it is, I sure would like to know how it performs at the shoot-n-scoot event. A serious comparison to pistols.
Posted by: GWB at September 01, 2024 08:12 PM (CrXxA)

Sharon and Iris have had that preview of coming attractions. I don't think you'll be disappointed based on what they told me.

Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 08:26 PM (yRXSd)

167 Ed L, the more I shoot my AR 10, the more I like it.
Concept of use, I guess.
If things go hot, the 15 makes sense. Lots of ammo, etc. But for effectiveness, a round three times the weight going almost as fast makes Newton sense.
F = MA.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 08:27 PM (5US0U)

168 A lot of stuff might show up in video that you're unaware of. Lots of golfers do the same thing.
Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 08:23 PM (uGpeQ)

If someone has suggestions on how to make this work, I would love to hear them. At my range, I'm not sure how I could get a good angle on my finger on the trigger, as they get hinky about the muzzle being at or past the firing line, and nothing else going out there.

But I would like to do this.

Posted by: GWB at September 01, 2024 08:27 PM (CrXxA)

169 Gas block adjustments and ongoing maintenance are your friends.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 01, 2024 08:28 PM (mH6SG)

170 Sounds like an excellent idea. I bet there is stuff like that. I will ask Mrs. Splunge to take the video as soon as we can get back to the outdoor range.
Posted by: Splunge at September 01, 2024 08:26 PM (hmKaK)
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Good luck and let us know how it goes!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 08:28 PM (RG6z4)

171 @GWB, small tripods for phones are available. Set your phone on the bench pointed at your firearm while you're shooting, perhaps?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 01, 2024 08:29 PM (tT6L1)

172 Evening, Gun Thread folks! Not much gun-related to report, other than the gopher survived, so I can shoot at it again.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 01, 2024 08:29 PM (22XE5)

173 162 @Ed L, I'm surprised people thought the AR-10 was a dead end. The basic AR platform lends itself to superior accuracy in a semi auto, from what I've seen.
Posted by: blake

DPMS brought it back to life either right before being acquired by Cerberus or right after. The late great Remington AR in .30 Remington AR was designed for hunting on a modified AR-15 platform. Collectors item now and people hoard the brass that have them in order to still shoot them.

Orphaned systems are always a pain to own and use.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 08:29 PM (kW+z9)

174 I have a DPMS AR10. I was planning on buying a 24" barrel upper for it but they never seemed to have any in stock. I gave up after a few years of trying go build one as as the upper blanks I could find all left about an 1/8" gap between the upper and the lower.
I have thought about just getting another barrel but never have as I wonder what all else is not compatable with the DPMS lower. Gas system etc...
The firearm I have is a M16A2 style upsized to .308. An iron site rifle with the rear site on rails but the front fixed to the barrel.
With a scope on it the front site is a hazy image but it's not unworkable.
I have though about getting out a die grinder and removing it but then it's a never again iron site firearm.
I wish Panther Arms had their shit together.
It kind of pisses me off they had a zeroing target that came with the rifle that advertises all the stuff availble for the gun but never has anything in stock.
Been years since I looked, maybe I should again.

Posted by: Reforger at September 01, 2024 08:29 PM (xcIvR)

175 169 Gas block adjustments and ongoing maintenance are your friends.
Posted by: Notorious BFD
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I've found gas blocks tend to get its adjustable bits carbon locked if not cleaned now and again.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 08:32 PM (kW+z9)

176 Sharon and Iris have had that preview of coming attractions. I don't think you'll be disappointed based on what they told me.
Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 08:26 PM (yRXSd)
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Hi Ed - I think it's a good idea to run whatever you're planning past Nurse and WBG since they run the range. Let me know and I will pass it along.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 08:32 PM (RG6z4)

177 When I once owned a FAL, I loved that rifle. But frankly, it tended to be a PIA sometimes.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 01, 2024 08:33 PM (mH6SG)

178 @Ed L, I'm surprised people thought the AR-10 was a dead end. The basic AR platform lends itself to superior accuracy in a semi auto, from what I've seen.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 01, 2024 08:24 PM (tT6L1)

You have to understand that the old timers were all Vietnam veterans (most with two or more tours of duty there) who remembered the M14 fondly, preferred the M14 over the M16, and who often had personal experience w/ the problems of the early M16's rocky introduction to service. I think it took the combo of both Iraq and Afghanistan to get the Army to take a fresh look at what the AR-10 platform could really do without the biases of the early M16's problems in mind.

Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 08:33 PM (yRXSd)

179 Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 08:32 PM (RG6z4)

I'll e-mail you shortly.

Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 08:34 PM (yRXSd)

180 Hey Weasel, for the 1,000 yard target, what can be done to get the ringing of steel when the target is hit? Last year it appears the target was so secured there was no ring. :-(

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 08:34 PM (0XVad)

181 Have any of you had the opportunity to shoot with a night vision scope?

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 08:35 PM (WbH4L)

182 @GWB, small tripods for phones are available. Set your phone on the bench pointed at your firearm while you're shooting, perhaps?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 01, 2024 08:29 PM (tT6L1)
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That's a good option or just ask someone at the range to take a quick 15 second vid.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 08:35 PM (RG6z4)

183 Itinerant Alley Butcher, I don't think there are actual rules defining a maduro, but in practice a maduro is something with a dark wrapper leaf, which can be from several varieties (most often broadleaf, but also habano, sumatra, etc). But all cigar tobacco is cured, fermented, aged leaf - wrapper, binder, and filler.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2024 08:36 PM (GcNJ2)

184 I've found gas blocks tend to get its adjustable bits carbon locked if not cleaned now and again.

Yep. That cleaning should be considered an integral part of the maintenance of the rifle. IMHO.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 01, 2024 08:36 PM (mH6SG)

185 Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 08:33 PM (yRXSd)

It sure would be nice to have a universal specification for the AR-10. Because it is a nice concept - same as the AR-15 - for doing interchangeable uppers for different calibers and such.

Posted by: GWB at September 01, 2024 08:36 PM (CrXxA)

186 169 Gas block adjustments and ongoing maintenance are your friends.
Posted by: Notorious BFD

Reforger, I did a deep dive about 2018-9 when I built mine on the different AR-10 systems and built Aero Precision due to affordability. The problem is that most other mfgs (not of the Armalite pattern) went for the DPMS low receiver thus handguards are a problem if you do not buy Aero precision ones--you end up with a slight elevation difference which can make a difference in zeroing iron sights if that matters to you.

If you have a DPMS lower, then you should be able to fit a new barrel to it but you may need to use aftermarket handguards that come with a barrel nut and skip the military style barrel nut if that is what is installed.

Check with Brownells if you have questions as they have probably one of the better customer service people manning the phones for questions.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 08:37 PM (kW+z9)

187 Scuba (and others), while leafing through the Midway flyer I got in the mail last week, I noticed something that was new-to-me*. An attachment for (long range) metal targets that lit up when vibrated - so you'd stick it on the assembly for a long-range steel target, and it would give visual confirmation of a hit. At least I think that's the idea, someone here probably knows.

* As I don't keep current with lots of gun stuff, this may be an old thing that I missed way back.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2024 08:39 PM (GcNJ2)

188 It sure would be nice to have a universal specification for the AR-10. Because it is a nice concept - same as the AR-15 - for doing interchangeable uppers for different calibers and such.
Posted by: GWB
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Market is gravitating toward PSA-DPMS low pattern because that is where the bulk of them are sold. Aeroprecision had some missteps and one commenter had issues with their AR 10 and returned it to get a PSA version if I recall right.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 08:39 PM (kW+z9)

189 I need to stay up past midnight

Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2024 08:39 PM (fwDg9)

190 rhomboid, I can not see your name and not think of your fantastic limoncello.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 08:41 PM (WbH4L)

191 Weasel, e-mail sent.

Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 08:41 PM (yRXSd)

192 181 Have any of you had the opportunity to shoot with a night vision scope?
Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 08:35 PM (WbH4L)

On an M2 .50 cal. 35 years ago.
I got a line on a new manufacturer through one on my brothers I'm considering buying as part of his aquisition as a prefered customer.
Seemed to be a big hit at the last shot show.
The name escapes me right now.
And it's the money I would use to get to Texas if I decide to go and y'all have me. So scope or MoMe.
One of the things I don't like about night vision is how easy other night vision can see it.

Posted by: Reforger at September 01, 2024 08:42 PM (xcIvR)

193 Should be a camera system you could put near target and watch live a distance off

Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2024 08:43 PM (fwDg9)

194 To complete, Reforger, if you have a DPMS lower pattern upper receiver--I am pretty sure that any barrel that fits the DPMS upper will work. The Armalite pattern used a different barrel nut-barrel lockup design and there are actual physical differences in the specification so that you cannot mount an armalite pattern barrel/barrel nut on the DPMS AR-10 system regardless of DPMS high or low upper receivers. There are differences also in the Armalite pattern lower and that of the DPMS pattern lower receiver. The uppers are not compatible with the lowers of a different pattern.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 08:43 PM (kW+z9)

195 There's just something reassuring about a platform that features a 7.62×51mm load.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 01, 2024 08:43 PM (mH6SG)

196 Reforger, come to Texas.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 08:44 PM (WbH4L)

197 One of the things I don't like about night vision is how easy other night vision can see it.
Posted by: Reforger at September 01, 2024 08:42 PM (xcIv

Roger, that.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 08:45 PM (5US0U)

198 I need to stay up past midnight
Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2024 08:39 PM

You can do it. Red Bull?

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 01, 2024 08:46 PM (mH6SG)

199 177 When I once owned a FAL, I loved that rifle. But frankly, it tended to be a PIA sometimes.
Posted by: Notorious BFD
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FALs are kind of like AR-10s or CETME/G3's for that matter, there are different patterns running around out there plus imperfect semi auto versions of select fire specced lowers.

Any parts from India are unique in themselves because FN did not trust India not to go into business selling FALS and FAL parts on the open market. So you have metric, inch, and Indian specs for the FAL.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 08:46 PM (kW+z9)

200 RI Red, you are on.my list until I see an email from you.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 08:47 PM (WbH4L)

201 @scuba_dude, 1,000 yards is too far away to hear the steel when it's hit. In fact, it's rare for us to hear the steel at our 500 meter competition.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 01, 2024 08:47 PM (tT6L1)

202 Have any of you had the opportunity to shoot with a night vision scope?
Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 08:35 PM (WbH4L)

I've (briefly) used NVGs in a training environment. Never used a firearm w/ them, though. I've had other soldiers say that muzzle flashes can temporarily diminish or "whiteout" night vision, especially with earlier generations of equipment (PVS-4 and 7s). I understand that the PVS-14s are a lot better.

Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 08:48 PM (yRXSd)

203 198 You can do it. Red Bull?

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 01, 2024 08:46 PM

With the way their races are going? Does Ferrari or McLaren make an energy drink?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 08:48 PM (0XVad)

204 Thanks, Ben Had. If shipping it weren't such a challenge, you'd have a good sample to judge for yourself. This season I didn't make any. Did make some lemon preserves. Also haven't made any pickled or salted lemons this time around. Still have some of last year's. This year had various twists and turns, and a small-ish yield to boot, so I took it easy. Still have been making the basil-lemonade, though - still the best beverage of that kind I've ever tasted.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2024 08:48 PM (GcNJ2)

205 I have a Monster energy I carted to work last week and didn't drink it. They do work.

Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2024 08:48 PM (fwDg9)

206 Should be a camera system you could put near target and watch live a distance off
Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2024 08:43 PM (fwDg9)
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There are both optical and electronic scoring products. They can be temperamental though.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 08:48 PM (uGpeQ)

207 blake, soon

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 08:48 PM (WbH4L)

208 195 There's just something reassuring about a platform that features a 7.62×51mm load.
Posted by: Notorious BFD

Cheaper ammo is part of the charm. 7.62x51 and 5.56x45 are available as was 7.62x39. I built an AR 15 in 7.62x39 simply to be able to shoot reasonably during the Obammy years. Performs well in the AR package and much more accurate than an AK.

Mags and the need for a longer firing pin/bolt/barrel is the main difference.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 08:49 PM (kW+z9)

209 BH, I know. I’m juggling things.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 08:49 PM (5US0U)

210 Any parts from India are unique in themselves because FN did not trust India not to go into business selling FALS and FAL parts on the open market. So you have metric, inch, and Indian specs for the FAL.

Interesting info. Mine was metric.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 01, 2024 08:50 PM (mH6SG)

211 Check with Brownells if you have questions as they have probably one of the better customer service people manning the phones for questions.
Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 08:37 PM (kW+z9)

If I do a Brownells order for anything it's going to be for a BRM 180 upper for my last lower I bought to build 10 years ago.
Now there is a thought. How about a BRM 180 in .308 that would mesh with my DPMS lower.
I wonder if it's been done.
I'm not going to look right now.

Posted by: Reforger at September 01, 2024 08:50 PM (xcIvR)

212 193 Should be a camera system you could put near target and watch live a distance off
Posted by: Skip
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There are several systems out there designed for ordinary shooters. Main difference is range.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 08:50 PM (kW+z9)

213 @Ben Had, yes indeed!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 01, 2024 08:51 PM (tT6L1)

214 Even at 200 yds, sometimes at 150, we've needed spotters to ID hits on hanging steel at rifle matches - for those using those black plastic rifle-like things with gadgets hanging off them.

The M1 and bolt action battle rifles, for some reason, don't need spotters to determine hits.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2024 08:51 PM (GcNJ2)

215 If I do a Brownells order for anything it's going to be for a BRM 180 upper for my last lower I bought to build 10 years ago.
Now there is a thought. How about a BRM 180 in .308 that would mesh with my DPMS lower.
I wonder if it's been done.
I'm not going to look right now.
Posted by: Reforger
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Heh. That would be unique I think. Sort of like the Armalite pattern guys that wanted to make replicas of the military trials version of the AR-10 in the 50's.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 08:52 PM (kW+z9)

216 201 @scuba_dude, 1,000 yards is too far away to hear the steel when it's hit. In fact, it's rare for us to hear the steel at our 500 meter competition.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 01, 2024 08:47 PM

I beg to differ. I heard the gong of the steel when I hit my first 1,000 yard target. Of course I was the only one shooting at it. It will not be heard if there are a lot of shooters but it can be heard.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 08:52 PM (0XVad)

217 How about that vibration-based long-range hit indicator with the light I saw in the Midway flyer? Is that a thing? Or not so good for some reason?

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2024 08:52 PM (GcNJ2)

218 @RI Red, I ran across a ewe tube video which mentioned how dirty brass from a suppressed rifle is. From what I gather, the suppressor forces gas back down the barrel. Any chance that's the reason why there's such an ejection difference?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 01, 2024 08:15 PM (tT6L1)

WRT outside of case - Lower pressure and subsonic rounds don't get as good a seal at the case mouth so more gas comes back through the chamber outside the case. Would imagine outside and inside get filthy when using a can.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 01, 2024 08:52 PM (/lPRQ)

219 Scuba (and others), while leafing through the Midway flyer I got in the mail last week, I noticed something that was new-to-me*. An attachment for (long range) metal targets that lit up when vibrated - so you'd stick it on the assembly for a long-range steel target, and it would give visual confirmation of a hit. At least I think that's the idea, someone here probably knows.

* As I don't keep current with lots of gun stuff, this may be an old thing that I missed way back.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2024 08:39 PM (GcNJ2)

Ever see the "tilt" switch in an old pinball machine? Basically just a plumb bob, with an extended tip, passing through a ring. If the machine was tilted, or shaken a mite vigorously, the tip would touch the ring, close a circuit, and the "tilt" relay would latch. Something like this would not be hard to rig up, for those electronically inclined.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 01, 2024 08:52 PM (iWRry)

220 The M1 and bolt action battle rifles, for some reason, don't need spotters to determine hits.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2024 08:51 PM (GcNJ2)
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heh, Yeah. Watching a pop up target get mashed flat by round from an M1 Garand does put a smile on one's face.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 01, 2024 08:53 PM (tT6L1)

221 204 Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2024 08:48 PM

Pickled lemons? That sounds interesting.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 08:53 PM (0XVad)

222 Scoobs, you are right. It can be heard. I heard your shot ! But sometimes not so much.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 08:54 PM (5US0U)

223 I beg to differ. I heard the gong of the steel when I hit my first 1,000 yard target. Of course I was the only one shooting at it. It will not be heard if there are a lot of shooters but it can be heard.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 08:52 PM (0XVad)
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I'm impressed and now wondering if a visit to the hearing doctor is in order?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 01, 2024 08:54 PM (tT6L1)

224 Interesting info. Mine was metric.
Posted by: Notorious BFD
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I never had a Fal but a buddy built two of them--one metric (I think Argentinian parts used), the other inch (British parts) that worked fine. Entreprise receivers instead of the more popular DSA ones. Don't know if Entreprise is even still in business as FAL parts kits have dried up.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 08:54 PM (kW+z9)

225 We frequently have a tail wind component on the rifle range in TX which can make hits on the targets beyond 500yds difficult to hear.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 08:55 PM (uGpeQ)

226 RIRed, if you can't make it just tell Mrs. Red to come without you.

Nurse and I will take care of her!

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 08:55 PM (WbH4L)

227 A long-standing joke at these matches is when others in the squad call out "hit!" when my M1 (or Mosin) sends a hanging plate swinging wildly, and of course my line is "are you sure??". Used to cut the chains all the time, fortunately that hasn't happened in a while.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2024 08:56 PM (GcNJ2)

228 BH, I’m going to tell her just that!

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 08:56 PM (5US0U)

229 Anybody know what the current ATF rule is about interstate face-to-face sale of a long gun? I know it used to be that it was legal if it would be a legal sale in both the buyer's and seller's states. For example, a CA resident could not buy a non-Californicated AR in Nevada nor vice versa but a Texas resident could.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 01, 2024 08:57 PM (NC1HI)

230 222 But sometimes not so much.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 08:54 PM

It all them Metal bands you are listening to. They are destroying your.........oh wait, that's me.

Nevermind :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 08:57 PM (0XVad)

231 225 We frequently have a tail wind component on the rifle range in TX which can make hits on the targets beyond 500yds difficult to hear.
Posted by: Weasel
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If I get to come, I will pick my most inaccurate rifles and blame the wind on my shooting.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 08:57 PM (kW+z9)

232 Rifles requiring registration are semiautomatic rifles capable of receiving a detachable magazine and have one or more of the following "military characteristics:

Folding or Telescoping stock
Protruding Pistol Grip
Thumbhole Stock
Second handgrip or protruding grip that can be held by non shooting hand
Bayonet Mount
Flash supressor
Muzzle Brake
Muzzle Compensator
Threaded barrel designed to accommodate the above
Any AR I want has one or more of these features.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude

So nanthing belt-fed can have all the above?

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 01, 2024 08:57 PM (/lPRQ)

233 I pickle lemons by slicing them as thinly as I can, then put them in a solution containing just a bit of sugar and salt. Leave on the kitchen counter for a week or two, then refrigerate. Not really sure what I'm doing (there's a novel thing!), but it works. I use them on grilled fish or chicken. Also rinse them off, cut up and put in salads.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2024 08:58 PM (GcNJ2)

234 Orphaned systems are always a pain to own and use.
Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 08:29 PM

Like the Gyrojet? ;-)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2024 08:58 PM (a3Q+t)

235 You guys make it sound like hitting these targets is difficult! Perhaps we need a greater emphasis on fundamentals.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 08:59 PM (uGpeQ)

236 225 We frequently have a tail wind component on the rifle range in TX which can make hits on the targets beyond 500yds difficult to hear.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 08:55 PM

And if any of the spectators had Indian or Mexican food the night before can be another factor to shooter accuracy.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 08:59 PM (0XVad)

237 I'm embarrassed to admit that I've never nailed a 1000+ yard target. My admiration and kudos to those of you who have. That's some mighty fine shootin'.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 01, 2024 09:00 PM (mH6SG)

238 Hello Friends, question for ya - what is a fair price for a snake slayer gun with 2 barrels or different calibers?
Asking for a friend

Posted by: ALH at September 01, 2024 09:00 PM (xJEPL)

239 rhomboid, try them in a Moroccan chicken recipe. They will not disappoint.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 09:00 PM (WbH4L)

240 We frequently have a tail wind component on the rifle range in TX which can make hits on the targets beyond 500yds difficult to hear.
Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 08:55 PM

Like The Bob Dole, I can help with that. Call me.

Posted by: Tannerite at September 01, 2024 09:00 PM (a3Q+t)

241 Well, time to wander. Catch all of you later!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at September 01, 2024 09:01 PM (tT6L1)

242
@scuba_dude, 1,000 yards is too far away to hear the steel when it's hit. In fact, it's rare for us to hear the steel at our 500 meter competition.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing

Put a little radio transmitter out there and have a receiver at the shooting position.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 01, 2024 09:01 PM (63Dwl)

243 237 Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 01, 2024 09:00 PM

Come to Texas next month and there will be plenty of folks who will help you join the 1000 yard club.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 09:01 PM (0XVad)

244 Hello Friends, question for ya - what is a fair price for a snake slayer gun with 2 barrels or different calibers?
Asking for a friend
Posted by: ALH at September 01, 2024 09:00 PM

Are you asking about a Bond Arms derringer?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2024 09:01 PM (a3Q+t)

245 229 Anybody know what the current ATF rule is about interstate face-to-face sale of a long gun? I know it used to be that it was legal if it would be a legal sale in both the buyer's and seller's states. For example, a CA resident could not buy a non-Californicated AR in Nevada nor vice versa but a Texas resident could.
Posted by: Oddbob

No, individual sales without an FFL (C&R) count is illegal between two individual even for long arms. Basically a commercial FFL in Texas might be able to sell to you a long arm if you state is amenable to that (and the FFL will check with that state or not do it now because of the new zero tolerance ATF actions against FFLs right now).

Handgun sales always have to be via an FFL in the home state of the buyer. It might be possible from one C&R FFL to sell to another C&R FFL in another state but that is really an ATF question and the firearm would have to be a C&R.

Antiques though can be sold across state lines if there is no problem via state laws. To the Feds, they are not "firearms" by statute.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 09:02 PM (kW+z9)

246 Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 08:59 PM (uGpeQ)

You can never have too much of the fundamentals. Especially when you haven't been to the range for a while.

Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 09:02 PM (yRXSd)

247 Come to Texas next month and there will be plenty of folks who will help you join the 1000 yard club.

Sure wish I could, Scube. Just not meant to be. Sigh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 01, 2024 09:03 PM (mH6SG)

248 238 Hello Friends, question for ya - what is a fair price for a snake slayer gun with 2 barrels or different calibers?
Asking for a friend
Posted by: ALH
>---

If you are talking about smooth bore garden guns, I have only seen antiques or really old C&R guns.

Easiest to dispatch snakes is simply a revolver using shot shells.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 09:03 PM (kW+z9)

249 Ok, time to pack it in.

Thank you again Weasel for everything. Really hope the ankle gets better.

Have a good week everyone!!! See you all next Sunday with hopefully with a range report of my newest toy!!
Will try to take pictures for Weasel to post.

Night All !!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at September 01, 2024 09:04 PM (0XVad)

250 You guys make it sound like hitting these targets is difficult! Perhaps we need a greater emphasis on fundamentals.
Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 08:59 PM

"But who could exhort us to focus more on fundamentals?", said the little red Duncanthrax.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2024 09:04 PM (a3Q+t)

251 Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 09:02 PM (yRXSd)
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Fundamentals are the path to shooting enlightenment.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 09:04 PM (uGpeQ)

252 Are you asking about a Bond Arms derringer?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2024 09:01 PM (a3Q+t)

Yes, with a case

Posted by: ALH at September 01, 2024 09:04 PM (xJEPL)

253 Ben Had.
I had big plans to go to the MoMe before I got stupid and quit my job.
The wife is insisting I still got but I don't want to dig into our savings to do it.
Money isn't an issue but it not coming in as fast as it was is.
Head is above water but a 2 or 3 thousand outlay would cut a chunk out that I'm not willing to do for leasure and fun.
It's getting close so I will ask now.
Is there a posability of popping up a tent in the area where I could sleep and get some basic hygene services or is a motel, if available the only option?

Posted by: Reforger at September 01, 2024 09:05 PM (xcIvR)

254 You guys make it sound like hitting these targets is difficult! Perhaps we need a greater emphasis on fundamentals.
Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 08:59 PM (uGpeQ)

It all comes down to whether your shit is wobbly or not.
So I hear.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 09:05 PM (5US0U)

255 If you can't master step A there is no step b.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 09:05 PM (WbH4L)

256 Reforger, that is a definite yes. Email me and we will talk more.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 09:07 PM (WbH4L)

257 Posted by: ALH at September 01, 2024 09:00 PM (xJEPL)

SG Ammo has .38 Special shotshell ammo (w/ #9 shot) for sale. 10 rounds per box, $15.95 per box. Not cheap, but if you can provide a .38 Special or .357 Magnum revolver, all you need to do is get a couple of boxes of this ammo.

Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 09:08 PM (yRXSd)

258 Would love to have a few shots at that range, at least the closer targets with black powder

Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2024 09:09 PM (fwDg9)

259 250 You guys make it sound like hitting these targets is difficult! Perhaps we need a greater emphasis on fundamentals.
Posted by: Weasel
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Been rereading the late (and lamented) Louis Awerbuck's books. Great firearm trainer and one of Col. Cooper's former instructors before setting out on his own. Highly recommended as his books are mainly compilations of his short column in SWAT magazine over about a decade from 1990's to 2000's.

He emphasized fundamentals over and over again instead of the latest gimmick, firearm, cartridge, or training technique du jour that did not directly address being able to use a firearm effectively in combat.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 09:09 PM (kW+z9)

260 Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 09:08 PM (yRXSd)

I need to know what a fair price for the Bond snake slayer gun would be.

Posted by: ALH at September 01, 2024 09:09 PM (xJEPL)

261 It all comes down to whether your shit is wobbly or not.
So I hear.
Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 09:05 PM (5US0U)
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Tell you what - if I can work out the logistics, I will bring my long range F-Class rifle and setup, with an extremely limited supply of ammo. Enough for a bunch of people to take a couple of shots at 1k with it.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 09:10 PM (uGpeQ)

262 Reforger, ask Ben Had about the horse trailer. I hear it’s available.
Seriously, there are lots of options.
Well worth the endeavor.

One thing I really worry about is that this may be the last TX MoMe. At least for a while. The current events worry me.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 09:10 PM (5US0U)

263 It all comes down to whether your shit is wobbly or not.
So I hear.
Posted by: RI Red
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Wobble small- miss small. Wobble big--miss big.

That, and losing myself in a high powered scope is why I dislike high powered scopes instead of iron sights or a fixed low power scope.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 09:11 PM (kW+z9)

264 Weasel. Do not ever discard that ortho "boot".

Motorcycle wreck, Oct 98. Got 5 screws holding my left ankle together.

Get a strong Texas Blue Norther blowin' through, and not only does the pain often revisit, but sometimes, so does the need to hold the foot at "that" angle to the tibia/fibia axis, holding the pain at bay, so I can sleep. Mr. Heating Pad and his friend the Ace Bandage can often help, in that regard, too.

And, yes. Keeping that ankle above horizontal does help to keep the "throbs" at bay. As does some good bourbon, and a fine cigar.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 01, 2024 09:11 PM (kQgoX)

265 Itinerant Alley Butcher, I don't think there are actual rules defining a maduro, but in practice a maduro is something with a dark wrapper leaf, which can be from several varieties (most often broadleaf, but also habano, sumatra, etc). But all cigar tobacco is cured, fermented, aged leaf - wrapper, binder, and filler.
Posted by: rhomboid

Maybe I was thinking maduro received much more ferminttation than others, white Connecticut none...
Got some Puro Ambar legacy toros cheap from CI. Wrapper soaked in wine. Well constructed, not too good, a wierd bitterness to them. But I like them. Went back for more and sold out.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at September 01, 2024 09:12 PM (/lPRQ)

266 Posted by: Jim at September 01, 2024 09:11 PM (kQgoX)
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Yup. Good advice!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 09:13 PM (uGpeQ)

267 RI Red, there will be a year 10 come hell or high water.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 09:13 PM (WbH4L)

268 RI Red, there will be a year 10 come hell or high water.

+1000

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 01, 2024 09:14 PM (mH6SG)

269 Ben Had correct. North African chicken dishes, main category where preserved lemons are a player. Chicken tagine.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2024 09:14 PM (GcNJ2)

270 Are you asking about a Bond Arms derringer?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2024 09:01 PM (a3Q+t)

Yes, with a case
Posted by: ALH at September 01, 2024 09:04 PM

For snakes, I'd want the .45 LC/.410 barrel. They seem to be running $450+ to $500+ for new; a very cursory search for used didn't turn up much. Barrels run seem to run from $150 or so up to $180, with a few specialty ones breaking $200.

I doubt it's been shot much, as they aren't very fun to shoot. And honestly, I haven't had a lot of one-shot kills on snakes with my Governor shooting .410 (a much better-shooting platform). So I'd be thinking in the 60% to 80% range of new price, assuming near-mint condition, depending on how much of a friend they are.

There's not a big market for them.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2024 09:15 PM (a3Q+t)

271 fhomboid, that is Pete Bog's signature dish around here. Except his paella is other wordly.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 09:16 PM (WbH4L)

272 I.A. Butcher, you may be correct. There are maduro versions of many kinds of leaf, so the difference may be how their treated and aged. Theoretically I guess you could have a maduro connecticut. The connecticut wrappers are generally grown differently - shaded by cheesecloth sheets, or in Ecuador simply grown in areas with a high % of cloudy days per year.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2024 09:17 PM (GcNJ2)

273 I hear ya, BH.
But it may only be for the Republic of Texas.
In which case, will you vouch for us as we cross the border with a U-Haul of submerged stuff?

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 09:17 PM (5US0U)

274 Dang, Ben Had, sounds great. I don't have a tagine, but think I have tried my hand at the basic recipe using my lemons. Been a while.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2024 09:18 PM (GcNJ2)

275 There's not a big market for them.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2024 09:15 PM (a3Q+t)

Thank you, D. You've been very helpful.

Posted by: ALH at September 01, 2024 09:18 PM (xJEPL)

276 Okay Ben Had will do. Tomorrow morning.

I've only been talking about going for like 5 years. It is a bucket list item.

Posted by: Reforger at September 01, 2024 09:19 PM (xcIvR)

277 worldly., casa Ben Had is an easily defensible haven for come what may and you have a reservation

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 09:19 PM (WbH4L)

278
I haven't had a lot of one-shot kills on snakes with my Governor shooting .410 (a much better-shooting platform).

Movie cowboys decapitate them all the time with a .45

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 01, 2024 09:19 PM (63Dwl)

279 dammit, RIRED, that was for you.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 09:21 PM (WbH4L)

280 Movie cowboys decapitate them all the time with a .45
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 01, 2024 09:19 PM (63Dwl)

CGI or AI?

Posted by: ALH at September 01, 2024 09:21 PM (xJEPL)

281 I see Biden commented on the American hostage Hamas murdered that he worked tirelessly to bring the hostage home. Uh...hasn't Biden been on vacation since the coup removed him?

And before then I don't think giving money and aid to Hamas really counts as working to get the hostage released...

Posted by: 18-1 at September 01, 2024 09:22 PM (oZhjI)

282 Ok, barring a surge of stuffing of the Food Thread comment boxes (always a possibility, given the progressive leanings of New Jerseyites), we've again beaten the Foodies, and Weasel can sleep in. Unless Ace calls a senior staff meeting, or there's an emergency at the Weasel Acres Home for Under- and Un-Employed Victoria's Secret Angels.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2024 09:22 PM (a3Q+t)

283 Posted by: 18-1 at September 01, 2024 09:22 PM (oZhjI)

Biden has his own reality.

Posted by: ALH at September 01, 2024 09:23 PM (xJEPL)

284 I kill snakes around here with a sharpshooter----shovel

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 09:23 PM (WbH4L)

285 Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2024 09:22 PM (a3Q+t)
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Your efforts to keep me out of trouble are greatly appreciated!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 09:23 PM (uGpeQ)

286 It’s ok, BH. I am very worldly.
Hugs ‘n stuff.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 09:23 PM (5US0U)

287 Duncanthrax, I been trying to do my part.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 09:24 PM (WbH4L)

288 Are you asking about a Bond Arms derringer?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2024 09:01 PM (a3Q+t)

Yes, with a case
Posted by: ALH at September 01, 2024 09:04 PM (xJEPL)

I see their derringers on sale for ~$280 or so. I got mine for much less than that, but that was right before the doors blew off the inflation of gun prices. I think their MSRP for a lot of their guns are in the $400 range, but that's really a bit much, IMO.

Posted by: GWB at September 01, 2024 09:25 PM (CrXxA)

289 280 Movie cowboys decapitate them all the time with a .45
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 01, 2024 09:19 PM (63Dwl)

CGI or AI?
Posted by: ALH
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A regular revolver using shot shells might be cheaper and easier. If you have a semi automatic, they make some shot shells for them in 9mm.

Derringers recoil substantially especially in the larger caliber cartridges.

There are a LOT of 410 shotguns floating around that make excellent snake and rat guns that are much easier to shoot with plain ole birdshot.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 09:26 PM (kW+z9)

290 Posted by: GWB at September 01, 2024 09:25 PM (CrXxA)

Thank you

Posted by: ALH at September 01, 2024 09:26 PM (xJEPL)

291 I can typo in two different comments.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 09:27 PM (WbH4L)

292 Weasel, I love the pic with table and buckets.
Why yes, we can sit here and shoot sh*t way out there.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 09:27 PM (5US0U)

293 Contrary to myth, the Maduro wrapper tends to be milder, in both flavor and strength, than the lighter leafs, and especially the Shade Grown varieties, such as Connecticut Shade.

The grower produces the Maduro leaf, by letting those leafs at the upper end of the stock remain exposed to "more sun", darkening the leaf, which also chemically "consumes" a fair percentage of the nicotines, oils and tars that make for a punchier, more potent leaf.

The "lighter" varieties often still contain all their Tobacco Potential, and as occurs, even the weeks in the curing house and years being turned in the bales, don't really sweat all that much out of the leaf.

Conversely, Maduro and Dunhill have both mastered the perfect "light" leaf, for beginning cigar smokers. Easy on the palate, and not likely to turn the new smoker green around the gills. Or, you can give them certain varieties of The Partigas, and watch 'em wobble off on unsteady legs.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 01, 2024 09:28 PM (kQgoX)

294 291 I can typo in two different comments.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 09:27 PM (WbH4L)

Autocorrect usually does my typos for me.

Posted by: ALH at September 01, 2024 09:28 PM (xJEPL)

295 284 I kill snakes around here with a sharpshooter----shovel
Posted by: Ben Had
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I found that a hooked sling blade works just fine back when I did manual labor on the family farm clearing brush.

My grandma used a hoe for ones in the garden but she sharpened it on a regular basis.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 09:28 PM (kW+z9)

296 Movie cowboys decapitate them all the time with a .45
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 01, 2024 09:19 PM

Tis true. Sigh.

There were times in years past I wished I'd had access to those grenades they used on Combat!, which always took out the pillbox, and killed a squad of Germans, with one (always perfectly executed) throw.

Why Hollywood has always had such better weaponry is a mystery.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2024 09:29 PM (a3Q+t)

297 Whig, you would like my 410/ 22 pest control rifle.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 09:29 PM (WbH4L)

298 Last paragraph above, should have said "Macanudo", vs. "Maduro". Mea Culpa!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 01, 2024 09:30 PM (kQgoX)

299 Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 09:27 PM (5US0U)
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That's one of my favorites.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 09:30 PM (uGpeQ)

300 Why Hollywood has always had such better weaponry is a mystery.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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I want a phaser dammit. But I would settle for one of those dinky 22 LR Hollywood pistols that throw people through glass windows when you shoot them.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 09:30 PM (kW+z9)

301 Duncanthrax, I been trying to do my part.
Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 09:24 PM

I'm assuming the shovel works for both snakes and the kitchen table.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2024 09:32 PM (a3Q+t)

302 233 I pickle lemons by slicing them as thinly as I can, then put them in a solution containing just a bit of sugar and salt. Leave on the kitchen counter for a week or two, then refrigerate. Not really sure what I'm doing (there's a novel thing!), but it works. I use them on grilled fish or chicken. Also rinse them off, cut up and put in salads.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 01, 2024 08:58 PM (GcNJ2)
I get back from church and find myself on the food thread?

Posted by: Eromero at September 01, 2024 09:32 PM (LHPAg)

303 Duncanthrax, I have a large supply of scalpels

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 09:33 PM (WbH4L)

304 with one (always perfectly executed) throw.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2024 09:29 PM (a3Q+t)

That's just being an American, Duncanthrax. We all grow up on baseball, donchano. It's a thing in WW2, including how you spot enemy infiltrators!

(I've seen old pitching targets that looked an awful lot like a mini-pillbox aperture.)

Posted by: GWB at September 01, 2024 09:33 PM (CrXxA)

305 OK, 9:34 thank you time.

Thank you, and hope to see all y'all here next Sunday!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 09:34 PM (uGpeQ)

306 Weasel, you and the TX gang inspire me.
I am now going to order some stuff online and inspire myself to sleep.
Thank you for this Sunday night respite.

Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 09:34 PM (5US0U)

307 But I would settle for one of those dinky 22 LR Hollywood pistols that throw people through glass windows when you shoot them.
Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 09:30 PM (kW+z9)

All you have to do is get them to hold a bit of tannerite to their chest.

Posted by: GWB at September 01, 2024 09:34 PM (CrXxA)

308 297 Whig, you would like my 410/ 22 pest control rifle.
Posted by: Ben Had
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I'm sure. Dad sold the farm decades ago before he passed and all I have are memories now.

Back when I actively accumulated, now and again I would come across a garden gun specifically for the removal of pests. Low power and the barrels were not rifled for cartridges like the 32 Rimfire to get rid of pests.

Yours would be a primo garden gun compared to those.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 09:34 PM (kW+z9)

309 Why Hollywood has always had such better weaponry is a mystery.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2024 09:29 PM (a3Q+t)

And better soldiers, too. Spend a day at the grenade pit w/ basic trainees throwing their first live frag grenade. If you aren't scared to death about what a troop in basic can do w/ a grenade after a couple of hours in the pit, you're a better person than I.

Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 09:34 PM (yRXSd)

310 Thanks for hosting, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 09:35 PM (yRXSd)

311 All you have to do is get them to hold a bit of tannerite to their chest.
Posted by: GWB
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I spewed at that one. Well played.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 09:35 PM (kW+z9)

312 Posted by: RI Red at September 01, 2024 09:34 PM (5US0U)
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Thanks for being here amigo.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 09:35 PM (uGpeQ)

313 There were times in years past I wished I'd had access to those grenades they used on Combat!, which always took out the pillbox, and killed a squad of Germans, with one (always perfectly executed) throw.

Why Hollywood has always had such better weaponry is a mystery.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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Combat! is one show that I have never actually seen on tv. Need to look it up now that I stream.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 09:36 PM (kW+z9)

314 I get back from church and find myself on the food thread?
Posted by: Eromero at September 01, 2024 09:32 PM

Could be. Can you believe the 'G' word hasn't been mentioned once?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2024 09:36 PM (a3Q+t)

315 Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 09:35 PM (yRXSd)
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Happy to do it, Ed L!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 09:36 PM (uGpeQ)

316 Weasel, may I refresh your ice pack, empty your ashtray, plump your foot pillow or bring you another cigar? Anything for you my friend.

Thank you for all you do.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 09:36 PM (WbH4L)

317 I have a Glock G20 for getting off the deerstand to look for hogs. Other than this one task, I can see no reason to have a 10mm, although they do shoot straight an flat.

Posted by: Eromero at September 01, 2024 09:37 PM (LHPAg)

318 Whig, thanks for the clarification. I was actually thinking in terms of "seller" = FFL but I didn't say that and to be honest, wasn't sure if it mattered.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 01, 2024 09:38 PM (/y8xj)

319 Wish everyone well but shutting down for the night.

Thank you Weasel for this thread and thanks to all the other commenters for giving me something to shoot for.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 09:38 PM (kW+z9)

320 Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 09:36 PM (WbH4L)
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Thank YOU.

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 09:38 PM (uGpeQ)

321 Duncanthrax, I can fix that. FOR G-D, Family and Country

Posted by: Ben Had at September 01, 2024 09:39 PM (WbH4L)

322 Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 09:38 PM (kW+z9)
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Thank you, whig. Appreciate it!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 09:40 PM (uGpeQ)

323 318 Whig, thanks for the clarification. I was actually thinking in terms of "seller" = FFL but I didn't say that and to be honest, wasn't sure if it mattered.
Posted by: Oddbob
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Right now, FFL's are running scared due to the ATF trying to pull licenses for even one clerical error.

Sorry my reply was muddled but you seemed to decipher it just fine.

Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 09:40 PM (kW+z9)

324 And better soldiers, too. Spend a day at the grenade pit w/ basic trainees throwing their first live frag grenade. If you aren't scared to death about what a troop in basic can do w/ a grenade after a couple of hours in the pit, you're a better person than I.
Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 09:34 PM

I thought the pit was simulating a fox hole. Only after I heard several instructor stories about the trainee dropping the grenade while cocking their arm back, and the instructor and trainee bailing out of the pit and rolling furiously did I understand it was actually a grenade trap.

Was the trainee gently chastised afterwards? ;-)

Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2024 09:40 PM (a3Q+t)

325 Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 09:36 PM (kW+z9)

I prefer getting old stuff on DVD because there's no guarantee that someone in future Hollywood might simply pull old shows and films that aren't politically correct. Or worst, edit them to make them fit the politics of the moment.

Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 09:41 PM (yRXSd)

326 garden gun

Remember .22 conversion Martini Henry rifles with threaded barrels. 29 years ago.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at September 01, 2024 09:41 PM (vFIJQ)

327 There is a video on all kinds of fallacies Hollywood does with movie gunshot victims.

Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2024 09:41 PM (fwDg9)

328 OK, time to start hobbling off towards bed.

Nitey-nite folks!

Posted by: Weasel at September 01, 2024 09:43 PM (uGpeQ)

329 Was the trainee gently chastised afterwards? ;-)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at September 01, 2024 09:40 PM (a3Q+t)

I was a Lieutenant at the time. Chastising the trainee was NCO business. I didn't get involved in NCO business. So I can't tell you what happened afterward.

Posted by: Ed L at September 01, 2024 09:43 PM (yRXSd)

330 G'night, Weasel. Thanks again for hosting.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 01, 2024 09:44 PM (/y8xj)

331 There is a video on all kinds of fallacies Hollywood does with movie gunshot victims.
Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2024 09:41 PM (fwDg9)

What would be welcome, if perhaps a little disillusioning, would a video on all kinds of falsies Hollywood uses on actresses' boobage.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 01, 2024 09:45 PM (LuMF/)

332 Night, Weasel, and thank you for another great Gun Thread.

Posted by: GWB at September 01, 2024 09:45 PM (CrXxA)

333 G'nite, Weasel. Thanks, amigo.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 01, 2024 09:46 PM (mH6SG)

334 Combat! is one show that I have never actually seen on tv.

Often filmed at Bronson quarry, my childhood play ground. Catering would bribe us kids to be quiet with slices of pie. Saw an awesome pneumatic volley gun to provide "machine gun bullet strikes" on jeep windshields. Wax bullets.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at September 01, 2024 09:47 PM (8xbU2)

335 Combat! is one show that I have never actually seen on tv.

It was must-see TV when I was a kid.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 01, 2024 09:48 PM (mH6SG)

336 I was one of those dumb Privates.

Story for another day.

Posted by: Reforger at September 01, 2024 09:56 PM (xcIvR)

337 "Combat" often highlighted some very mature concepts, dilemmas and tough moral situations for the soldiers (and viewers) to have to sort out. So, also, did 12 O'Clock High (the TV series).

Conversely, "The Rat Patrol" was only a few steps above Batman & Robin in it's more simplistic approaches and scripting. That said, Rat Patrol had some decent location shooting sites and production values. So, go figure.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at September 01, 2024 09:59 PM (kQgoX)

338 All Combat episodes are on YouTube

Posted by: Skip at September 01, 2024 09:59 PM (fwDg9)

339 Nood, if nobody ain't said it yet.

Posted by: GWB at September 01, 2024 10:08 PM (CrXxA)

340 Porque la bandera de Chile?

Posted by: Skookumchuk at September 01, 2024 10:16 PM (a9z8U)

341 The Army put their thumb on the scale to favor the M14 because SA told them that they could re-use much of the M1 tooling,, which would give them more rifles for the same budget amount.

Well, that was true, except that most of that tooling was badly worn, which caused the quality issues with the early 14s. By the time that tooling was replaced the 14 became much more expensive than the rejected alternatives.

Posted by: buddhaha at September 01, 2024 10:24 PM (Pwf7s)

342 My grandma used a hoe for ones in the garden but she sharpened it on a regular basis.
Posted by: whig at September 01, 2024 09:28

When I was surprised by a big snake in the barn I grabbed a nearby hoe and broke off the blade in my assault on the intruder. It wasn't as sharp as your grandmother's.

Posted by: Farmer, with my own historical take at September 01, 2024 11:06 PM (55Qr6)

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