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Saturday Evening Movie Thread 08/17/2024 [TheJamesMadison]

John Landis


John Landis was one of those young, bearded guys who took Hollywood by storm starting in the 70s on, alongside other filmmakers like Scorsese, Spielberg, and de Palma. He was brash, bringing anarchy to comedy with a gritty visual aesthetic endemic to 70s filmmaking, and he went from success to success to success with Animal House to The Blues Brothers to Trading Places, being key in helping to create the movie star that was Eddie Murphy.

And then Landis took the golden opportunity of his career already marked by little more than success: working with Steven Spielberg on a Twilight Zone movie. There was no producer to work with more than Spielberg in the 80s. He helped secure the careers of people like Robert Zemeckis and Joe Dante. Working with Spielberg was the path to a golden future, and John Landis managed the set where a botched special effects sequence involving a helicopter and firing mortars at night with two child actors who shouldn't have been there (the production was skirting child labor laws by paying them under the table) in the middle of the night. The mortar misfired, hitting the helicopter, and the aircraft fell from the sky, decapitating Vic Morrow and Myca Dinh Le before the helicopter fell on Renee Shin-Yi Chen, killing her instantly.

The trial coming out of the accident defined Landis' career from then on out. It took several years to be heard (the accident was in 1982 while the trial start in 1986, lasting 9 months), and there are tales of him getting into fights with his stars (most notably Chevy Chase on Three Amigos and Eddie Murphy on Coming to America) over talk about the trial. At the end of the trial, he was acquitted (as well as George Folsey, Landis' regular producer, Dorcey Wingo, the pilot, Dan Allingham, the production designer, and Paul Stewart, the explosives expert). The rampant ambition evident in the huge chase of The Blues Brothers was gone, never to return.

Perhaps he should have never been allowed near a film set again, but he kept working regularly for more than twenty years until his final feature film in 2010, Burke and Hare. There was a uniformity to the quality of his earlier films before the accident, as well as a burgeoning voice, but afterwards the most he could do was be a tool for others like Eddie Murphy. His career probably should have been over, but it was at least deeply diminished. That's not to say that all of his films after the accident are bad (Three Amigos and Coming to America, in particular, are worthy of note), but they feel rarer and more to do with other people than him.

So, that leaves the question of who he was as an artist? I know that I'm talking about him in the past tense, but the man is still alive. I just don't expect him to ever make another movie. Like Clint Eastwood (Juror #6 is already done filming) or Joe Dante (Little Shop of Horrors starts filming next month) or Terry Gilliam (he just secured funding for The Carnival at the End of Days), you know?

Pre-Accident


Most of the films that people know Landis for (not necessarily his most well-known films) come from before the accident, namely Animal House, The Blues Brothers, Trading Places, and An American Werewolf in London. There are competing authorial voices across most of them except Werewolf where he was sole writer as well as director. Animal House is as much an Ivan Reitman and Harold Ramis movie, The Blues Brothers was birthed from the insanity that is Dan Aykroyd, and Trading Places was a director-for-hire job that largely became dominated by Eddie Murphy. However, through it all there was a brewing sense of direction through it all. It was essentially anything for a laugh.

From Schlock to Trading Places, whether amateurish in execution (Schlock), purely chaotic in effect (The Blues Brothers), or surprisingly restrained and, aside from vulgarity and nudity, feeling like it could fit in the 30s (Trading Places), Landis was demonstrating a seriously underlining of anarchic humor. The two most potent and obvious examples are Animal House and The Blues Brothers.

Animal House is largely the brainchild of Harold Ramis, Douglas Kenney, and Chris Miller, writers for different forms of National Lampoon, distilling their college experiences, heightening them for comic effect, and then Landis injecting an anarchic energy to the filmmaking, especially in its finale, to push the comedy to absurdist heights. The Blues Brothers operates on a similar level but being born from the insane mind of Dan Aykroyd (they share writing credits because Landis cut down Aykroyd's rambling 400 page script to something more manageable). It's an ever-increasing escalation and chase as things rise in absurdity until we can accept a car falling straight down thousands of feet because it flew off a bridge a few dozen feet off the ground.

A note about these films and the then-state of Hollywood: None of these movies were particularly expensive to make. Animal House cost $3 million. The Blues Brothers was actually pretty expensive at $27 million. His sixth film, the Eddie Murphy starring Trading Places, cost $15 million. These budgets weren't exploding (The Blues Brothers was pretty big for the time), and they weren't shoehorning Landis into sequels, and this was right about the time that franchising of Hollywood was really beginning (First Blood was released in 1982 and Rambo: First Blood Part 2 was released in 1985). He was going from original production to original production (well, as original as an adaptation of a Saturday Night Live skit can be), and he still had to beg for years for the $6 million to make his best film: An American Werewolf in London.

The Height of His Power

An American Werewolf in London is pure Landis. He wrote it. He formed a production company, Lycanthrope Films Limited, with his regular producer, George Folsey, to fund it. He directed it. He had about as total control over the film as he could. It was also something of a gamble. The horror/comedy mashup was still relatively untested at the time (they date back to the silent era with Paul Leni's The Cat and the Canary while James Whale helped push the Universal Monster franchise in that direction starting with Bride of Frankenstein and ending with the Abbott and Costello mashups that leaned much more towards the comedy than the horror), so it was seen as something of a risk.

There were two defining features to Landis' early career to me. The first was the embrace of anarchy, and the second was a deep love of the films of his youth, all manner of schlocky nonsense from the Universal horror franchise to Godzilla films to screwball comedies. It was in London where his love of Universal horror movies comes out, taking heavy, direct, and acknowledged inspiration from The Wolf Man (the movie gets mentioned and described in some small part within the film). This is Landis making an updated version of a film he loved, embracing sex and gory violence at a level in the 80s that Universal would never have been able to approach in the 30s.

And it's a technical treat. The most famous part is the werewolf transformation which won Rick Baker the inaugural Academy Award for Best Makeup which is painful to watch and really effective. However, the movie is more than that. In my review, I called it mere genre (a term that Mark Andrew Edwards objected to) because I saw it as a highly accomplished genre exercise without much of an emotional core, finding the emotional elements thin, too thin for what the film wants to deliver.

That being said, it shows Landis at his purest, at his most in control. There's violence portrayed on screen that was captured rather irresponsibly (making unsuspecting bystanders think a real animal attack was going on), technical skill, and an overall aping of what came before, packaged well. And it made about $60 million at the box office. That's not The Blues Brothers money, but it was Landis taking the risk himself and it paying off. He really was on top of the world.

And he followed that up with Trading Places, one of the first three films that Eddie Murphy made as a movie star, having a good hand in launching Murphy into superstardom (Walter Hill and Martin Brest probably deserve a bit more credit with 48 Hrs. and Beverly Hills Cop respectively).

Post-Accident

And then Landis mismanaged the set of his segment of Twilight Zone: The Movie. He was caught in a legal process for several years after that, finding work as he went, even getting what he described as something of a passion project off the ground (Into the Night which is...it's not good). And it's obvious that he'd had his wings clipped. For all that you can say about his culpability on that set or about his unusual behavior afterwards (he reportedly showed up to one of the children's funerals and started screaming about how film is forever), it was obvious from the start of his post Twilight Zone career that his energy was gone. The voice that he had been developing was simply never going to come back.

This is not to imply that everything he made after 1983 is without worth. Some fan favorites were made in the late 80s and early 90s, movies I very much enjoyed like Three Amigos, Oscar, and Coming to America, but the energy was just...different. They feel generic in ways that his early films do not. It's the difference between gritty reality of cars smashing into each other in The Blues Brothers and the clean sets of what should be a rugged, poor Mexico in Three Amigos. It's the frantic editing of the toga party in Animal House compared to letting Eddie Murphy and Arsenio Hall be funny as the camera runs in Coming to America.

Into the Night is supposed to be this thriller as Jeff Goldblum rescues Michelle Pfeiffer but just keeps wanting to go to bed. Spies Like Us just feels like the comedy is poorly filmed. Innocent Blood is another bore. And things really don't get a whole lot better, and it's always feeling like when he's doing things for himself (Into the Night and Innocent Blood in particular), he's falling on his face. When he does things well, it's because he's taking a backseat to larger personalities (Steve Martin and Eddie Murphy, mostly) who can dominate the film while Landis mostly just manages the set. He went from a comic filmmaker with real drive to a studio director, just there to make sure sets kept moving through pages.

It's really hard to talk about Landis' career without the accident because the accident is this large dividing line between when he was interesting and when he stopped being interesting.

The Final Stages

He did work with surprising consistency through the 90s, directing the third Beverly Hills Cop film at the behest of Murphy (though the two had gotten into a falling out during the filming of Coming to America for different reasons depending on the source). The Stupids was an unfunny adaptation of a short series of children's picture books. Blues Brothers 2000 could have been something of a return to form, but Universal was overbearing during the production. It's also obvious that Landis' heart was in nothing on screen except the musical numbers, even the big car crash feeling rote rather than energetic.

The experience of making the Blues Brothers sequel was so bad for him that he went off immediately after with one million dollars to make an independent film, Susan's Plan, a Coen Brothers-esque black comedy crime film that's pretty easily his worst effort, the sort of product that a man who'd been making movies for decades should be unable to produce at that low level. His career seemed to be over at the feature film level until he got an offer from Ealing Studios in England to make a blackly comic film about the Burke and Hare murders (it's...fine).

And then the offers stopped coming. Max Landis, his son, created a minor career as a screenwriter through the 2010s (his first credit was actually on an episode of Masters of Horror that John directed and co-wrote), and during one of his manic efforts at promotion, he would tell of how his father could get meetings in Hollywood as the director of things like The Blues Brothers but that he couldn't get a dime to make a movie. It's a similar situation that Orson Welles found himself in, executives would love to talk to the man who made Citizen Kane, but they wanted nothing to do with his projects.

So, it seems like Landis' criminal negligence (that he was acquitted for) finally caught up with him. It just took decades of decreasing results at the box office and artistically for it to happen.

Man, Hollywood is a scummy place. Glad I don't live there.

What Makes a Man Filmmaker?

Landis is one of those filmmakers that it becomes impossible to separate the man from the art at a certain level because his actions as a man had a very appreciable affect on his art. If you want to completely divorce the discussion from the Twilight Zone incident, you stop talking about his career when it reaches 1982. If you want to go on, you have to bring it up because it explains so much of the difference in simply how he made movies after that.

I prefer what came before. I like some of what came after, but what came after includes Beverly Hills Cop III and Susan's Plan. His earlier films felt like they were coming from a fairly unique place, even if you could easily see the influences of people like Reitman, Murphy, or Aykroyd. The movies after hinge entirely on whether other talent cared at the time.

Oh well, at least Oscar was a surprising delight. Seriously, I doubt many of you have seen Oscar. It's a 30s screwball comedy and works really well. Check that out.

Movies of Today

Opening in Theaters:

Alien: Romulus

Movies I Saw This Fortnight:

Spies Like Us (Rating 2/4) Full Review "It's deeply uneven, but funny and amusing enough. Just barely." [Library]

Three Amigos! (Rating 3/4) Full Review "It flows well. It's got winning performances. It works as a comedy. I'm not sure what Ebert was talking about, to be honest." [Library]

Coming to America (Rating 3/4) Full Review "So, I really like the first two acts. They're colorful, fun, and really quite funny. They allow space for Murphy and Hall to provide laughs all while laying the groundwork for a third act that really just goes through the motions." [Library]

Oscar (Rating 3/4) Full Review "Really, this is something of a delight. It's light and fun and fast. It recalls the best of the 30s and 40s screwball era (the casting of Eddie Bracken in a small role as a stuttering snitch feels like a nod to Sturges), and I think it honestly deserves better." [Library]

Beverly Hills Cop III (Rating 0.5/4) Full Review "So, it's all just dead weight. No one cares. The plot is threadbare and gets forgotten for long stretches. Murphy, the comic center of the film, is completely uninterested in being funny." [Paramount+]

Blues Brothers 2000 (Rating 1.5/4) Full Review "This is not the complete and utter disaster I thought it would be." [Library]

Susan's Plan (Rating 0.5/4) Full Review "I mean, this is embarrassing. This is terrible. This is Landis' low point." [Library]

Burke and Hare (Rating 2.5/4) Full Review "So, it actually has a good bit of charm, but it mostly comes from the smaller elements. It is an interesting look at an underserved bit of history." [Kanopy]

Contact

Email any suggestions or questions to thejamesmadison.aos at symbol gmail dot com.
I've also archived all the old posts here, by request. I'll add new posts a week after they originally post at the HQ.

My next post will be on 9/7, and it will talk about the films directed by Orson Welles.

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Comments

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1 Hola

Posted by: Thanatopsis at August 17, 2024 07:43 PM (ZUxK6)

2 Nooded.

Posted by: PabloD at August 17, 2024 07:44 PM (HSwo3)

3 Good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at August 17, 2024 07:44 PM (fwDg9)

4 I also.

Posted by: Thanatopsis at August 17, 2024 07:44 PM (ZUxK6)

5 Landis has at least four all time re watchable films under his belt, that's more than most directors can say.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 17, 2024 07:50 PM (XV/Pl)

6 I just went to wiki to read some more details on the helicopter crash trial.

Some money changed hands, but as usual when Democrats are involved, NO ONE was responsible!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 17, 2024 07:51 PM (HlyYF)

7 Somebody else who likes "Oscar"!

My favorite bit was Stanley Tucci as a tailor who brags about his clientele by bringing out a newspaper clipping of a mob hit. Pointing to a corpse, he says "See? I did his suit!"

Posted by: All Hail Eris at August 17, 2024 07:55 PM (kpS4V)

8 Every time I see an escalator I think of American Werewolf in London. It’s an uncomfortable feeling.

Posted by: Eromero at August 17, 2024 07:57 PM (LHPAg)

9 7 Somebody else who likes "Oscar"!

My favorite bit was Stanley Tucci as a tailor who brags about his clientele by bringing out a newspaper clipping of a mob hit. Pointing to a corpse, he says "See? I did his suit!"
Posted by: All Hail Eris at August 17, 2024 07:55 PM (kpS4V)

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The misunderstanding where the son in law to be (or not) thinks he's a hit man is downright hilarious.

Posted by: TJM's phone at August 17, 2024 07:57 PM (GBKbO)

10
Some money changed hands, but as usual when Democrats are involved, NO ONE was responsible!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at August 17, 2024 07:51 PM (HlyYF)

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Except the dead. Look, they had plenty of time to get out of the way. Messed up the production schedule.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 17, 2024 07:57 PM (1Nxff)

11 Another Little Shop of Horrors?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 17, 2024 07:58 PM (63Dwl)

12 I had no idea. My only knowledge of him at the personal level is entirely secondary and involves watching a couple of Red Letter Media episodes where his son Max is a guest and... Well, he's intense.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Remember when womens jobs were genuinely important? at August 17, 2024 07:58 PM (Sin+I)

13 Eh. I think Landis is really overrated. "Animal House" is a terrific film that basically created a new comedy genre. "The Blues Brothers" is fine to watch with a group, especially if you like car crashes. And some good music. "Trading Places" I really only remember for two things, and you can guess what they were.

As I said on TJM's blog, I really dislike "American Werewolf." I get where people like it, I'm just not one of those people.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 17, 2024 07:59 PM (CHHv1)

14 10 Except the dead. Look, they had plenty of time to get out of the way. Messed up the production schedule.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 17, 2024 07:57 PM (1Nxff)

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Spielberg tried to shut the whole thing down, but his creditors wouldn't allow it. He changed which episode he remade to the simplistic, easiest to film thing and hasn't spoken to Landis since.

Spielberg may be a secret villain in Hollywood, but this isn't the episode that proves it.

Posted by: TJM's phone at August 17, 2024 07:59 PM (GBKbO)

15 11 Another Little Shop of Horrors?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 17, 2024 07:58 PM (63Dwl)

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Yup. I think it was the last thing Roger Corman got greenlit before he died.

Posted by: TJM's phone at August 17, 2024 08:00 PM (GBKbO)

16 >>> He was caught in a legal process for several years after that, finding work as he went, even getting what he described as something of a passion project off the ground (Into the Night which is...it's not good).

How dare you! One of my favorite Landis flics. Off beat, but fun. A very LA kind of movie. Cal Worthington even makes an appearance.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 17, 2024 08:01 PM (klJTj)

17 13 As I said on TJM's blog, I really dislike "American Werewolf." I get where people like it, I'm just not one of those people.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 17, 2024 07:59 PM (CHHv1)

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We all know you're a secret The Stupids fan. Probably have a cast signed poster!!!

Posted by: TJM's phone at August 17, 2024 08:01 PM (GBKbO)

18 My next post will be on 9/7, and it will talk about the films directed by Orson Welles.


A threat.




I kid, I kid.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 17, 2024 08:01 PM (2FVQx)

19 The creature in American Werewolf reminds me of a giant badger

Posted by: Don Black at August 17, 2024 08:01 PM (/7KEl)

20 I understand that Kenney (Stork) and Harold Ramis were a little peeved at how Landis coopted their script, calling Animal House "my movie" after they had spent years shaping the script and trying to sell a studio on the thing.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 17, 2024 08:02 PM (WBQfF)

21 16
How dare you! One of my favorite Landis flics. Off beat, but fun. A very LA kind of movie. Cal Worthington even makes an appearance.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 17, 2024 08:01 PM (klJTj)

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I was so bored. Plus, Goldblum was constantly just asking to go home. He wasn't even invested.

Posted by: TJM's phone at August 17, 2024 08:02 PM (GBKbO)

22 At it's heart AWIL is just love story.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 17, 2024 08:03 PM (XV/Pl)

23 into the night has nekkid Michelle Pfeiffer

not good

do you believe this guy

Posted by: Don Black at August 17, 2024 08:03 PM (/7KEl)

24 TJM, you provide an incredible amount of well written background. Makes me sorry I have never seen any of these movies.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 17, 2024 08:03 PM (nvZes)

25 It Came From Beneath the Sea is coming on now, Svengoolie tonight. A giant octopus goes rogue. I am so there.

Posted by: JuJuBee, fact checker hammered by events at August 17, 2024 08:04 PM (iGlyB)

26 I kid of course

Posted by: Don Black at August 17, 2024 08:04 PM (/7KEl)

27 22 At it's heart AWIL is just love story.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 17, 2024 08:03 PM (XV/Pl)

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Between a corpse and his dog.

Posted by: TJM's phone at August 17, 2024 08:04 PM (GBKbO)

28 Forgot to add, the octopus destroys San Francisco. What's not to like?

Posted by: JuJuBee, fact checker hammered by events at August 17, 2024 08:05 PM (iGlyB)

29 John Landis supports Trump.*

There. That should finally do it.






* I don't know if he does or not, it's just a joke about Hollywood and being able to kill people without much concern about your career.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Remember when womens jobs were genuinely important? at August 17, 2024 08:05 PM (Sin+I)

30 Spies was sort of a road picture the whole vic morrow segment was virtue signaling of the worst kind in tz

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at August 17, 2024 08:05 PM (PXvVL)

31 Trading Places was a classic, modern Jamie Lee Curtis notwithstanding.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 17, 2024 08:06 PM (WBQfF)

32 Bhk 3 was aggrsssively meh

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at August 17, 2024 08:07 PM (PXvVL)

33 30 Spies was sort of a road picture the whole vic morrow segment was virtue signaling of the worst kind in tz
Posted by: Miguel cervantes at August 17, 2024 08:05 PM

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The Bob Hope cameo makes that a bit obvious (and Mark had to point it out to me).

I think if the segment had completed, it'd be less oppressively messagey. The original ending apparently didn't have Morrow being carted off to Auschwitz.

Posted by: TJM's phone at August 17, 2024 08:08 PM (GBKbO)

34 As I said Thursday, I saw "Alien: Romulus" and while it isn't in the same league as the original two, it has the continuity, callbacks, and horror chops to make it a worthy side detour to the franchise. I especially liked the two leads, Cailee Spaeny and David Jonsson. She's a miner who's made her quota but Wetland-Yutani still won't let her leave the colony; Andy, her "brother", is a discarded and still defective android her father rescued from a dump and reprogrammed to be her companion and protector.

An old friend from the previous movie, "Alien" chronologically, makes an appearance through the magic of uncanny valley CGI.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at August 17, 2024 08:08 PM (kpS4V)

35 @27

>>Between a corpse and his dog.

A love that dare not speak its name.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 17, 2024 08:08 PM (XV/Pl)

36 @17 I have the 4K Stupids box set with 8 disks. It includes "The Stupids Meet Batman" but only in blue-ray as the original negatives were stolen by someone with a purple suit.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 17, 2024 08:09 PM (CHHv1)

37 They ripped off awil for the mummy film with tom cruise but griffin dunne was sympathetic

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at August 17, 2024 08:09 PM (PXvVL)

38 @33 Oh, so now I'm Mark?

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 17, 2024 08:09 PM (CHHv1)

39 Opening in Theaters:

Alien: Romulus


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Speaking of RLM, I listened to their review of this today. Apparently the first 30 or so minutes of this movie is incredible and gives you hope for film again, and then it turns into modern dreck and the worst movie ever.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Remember when womens jobs were genuinely important? at August 17, 2024 08:10 PM (Sin+I)

40 36 @17 I have the 4K Stupids box set with 8 disks. It includes "The Stupids Meet Batman" but only in blue-ray as the original negatives were stolen by someone with a purple suit.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 17, 2024 08:09 PM (CHHv1)

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Smoochy?

Posted by: TJM's phone at August 17, 2024 08:10 PM (GBKbO)

41 Uh guys? I'm right here

-Kentucky Fried Movie

Posted by: Don Black at August 17, 2024 08:10 PM (/7KEl)

42 38 @33 Oh, so now I'm Mark?
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 17, 2024 08:09 PM

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Was that you? Sorry. My memory is dipping the closer I get to 29...

Posted by: TJM's phone at August 17, 2024 08:11 PM (GBKbO)

43 12 I had no idea. My only knowledge of him at the personal level is entirely secondary and involves watching a couple of Red Letter Media episodes where his son Max is a guest and... Well, he's intense.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Remember when womens jobs were genuinely important? at August 17, 2024 07:58 PM (Sin+I)
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The one with the Breen film that almost broke Rich is one of my favorites.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at August 17, 2024 08:11 PM (kpS4V)

44 In retrospect slm was more optimistic about our cias capacities

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at August 17, 2024 08:11 PM (PXvVL)

45 I went and watched "Deadpool/Wolverine" this afternoon. I've not been a big fan of the franchise in general, and went into this one expecting it to be a vulgar, fourth-wall breaking comedy.

It was. But it also had more of a plot than I gave it credit for at first, and a more emotional ending than you would expect from the previous movies. It's definitely not for everyone, and I personally don't think all of the (many, many) cameos landed, but it was watchable.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 17, 2024 08:13 PM (lHPJf)

46 Evening.

Posted by: Robert at August 17, 2024 08:13 PM (X6qmc)

47 Time to watch that new RLM episode!!

Posted by: All Hail Eris at August 17, 2024 08:13 PM (kpS4V)

48 ***starting with Bride of Frankenstein and ending with the Abbott and Costello mashups***

- Scared Stiff -

Posted by: Braenyard at August 17, 2024 08:13 PM (mdzTB)

49 >>Between a corpse and his dog.

A love that dare not speak its name.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 17, 2024 08:08 PM (XV/Pl)

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Arf!

Posted by: Sandy at August 17, 2024 08:13 PM (WBQfF)

50 Are you the Singing Bush?

Posted by: Robert at August 17, 2024 08:13 PM (X6qmc)

51 >>>Kentucky Fried Movie

Good catch! That one is in the same league as Airplane.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at August 17, 2024 08:13 PM (klJTj)

52 Road to dushambe

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at August 17, 2024 08:13 PM (PXvVL)

53 44 In retrospect slm was more optimistic about our cias capacities

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The CIA is now legendary in its ability to fuck things up.

FailureTown.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 17, 2024 08:15 PM (WBQfF)

54 Now the blonde in slm ackroyds wife

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at August 17, 2024 08:17 PM (PXvVL)

55 I’m watching season 2 of Blake’s 7. Season 1 was interesting from a historical perspective and occasionally on its own, but suffered from a refusal by the “creative” team to understand the tech they created. At least once an episode, the titular 7 either did something stupid, or forgot that common tech on the ship could handle their problem easily and had been shown to do so in a previous episode.

Season 2 doubles down on that, and at episode 9 became so ridiculously stupid it’s interesting for how stupid it is. The entire plots now rely on not remembering what the teleport did last episode or how their communications wristbands work. Episode 10 literally had one of the main characters fall for an obvious scam without any work at all. I suspect that the writers had no idea where they were going with season two until episode 9, and then decided they were going to get to their newfound ending by episode 13 come hell or high water.

At this point if I watch the remaining three episodes it’ll be purely because this was an influential series. It’s amazing how bad a science fiction series could be back in the 70s and still be successful.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 17, 2024 08:18 PM (EXyHK)

56 I also love "Into the Night," even without Michelle Pfeiffer. My favorite line, repeated throughout, is Clu Gulager's: "I'd say I fall in the "or what" category." All the director cameos also make the film.

Posted by: Jayhawkone at August 17, 2024 08:18 PM (0ymEZ)

57 I enjoyed TJMs walk through Landis-land, maybe more than he did (?).

John Landis directed two of my favorite films, The Blues Brothers and Three Amigos. But I don't find him to be much of an auteur. I can't point to something in a movie and say, 'Oh that's John Landis'. He had audacity when he was young, but that went away. You can blame the deaths he causes on The Twilight Zone movie, I think. Something went out of him. But, he made some really great films. That's more than most directors can say, sadly.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 17, 2024 08:18 PM (xcxpd)

58 Season 2 doubles down on that, and at episode 9 became so ridiculously stupid it’s interesting for how stupid it is. The entire plots now rely on not remembering what the teleport did last episode or how their communications wristbands work.

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This could be a fun episode. I don't know that an entire multi-season series could work, though.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Remember when womens jobs were genuinely important? at August 17, 2024 08:19 PM (Sin+I)

59 Is the Thriller video pre or post helicopter accident?

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at August 17, 2024 08:20 PM (pIfcn)

60 59 Is the Thriller video pre or post helicopter accident?
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at August 17, 2024 08:20 PM (pIfcn)

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Post.

Landis consistently filmed dance scenes well.

Posted by: TJM's phone at August 17, 2024 08:21 PM (GBKbO)

61 Don't hate me for this, but as memorable as the movies TJM listed are, the one Landis will be remembered for by a lot of people isn't actually a movie.

"Thriller."

Posted by: Dr. T at August 17, 2024 08:21 PM (lHPJf)

62 57 I enjoyed TJMs walk through Landis-land, maybe more than he did (?).
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Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 17, 2024 08:18 PM (xcxpd

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Comme ci. Comme ca.

Posted by: TJM's phone at August 17, 2024 08:22 PM (GBKbO)

63 @57

>>But, he made some really great films. That's more than most directors can say, sadly.

If I got a bunch of people coming over to hangout and chill and my options are either the films of Stanley Kubrick or the films of John Landis, I'm probably going to choose the films of John Landon's 10 times out of 10.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 17, 2024 08:22 PM (XV/Pl)

64 I hadnt seen that final act in blues brothers till recently thaf was over the top

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at August 17, 2024 08:23 PM (PXvVL)

65 61 Don't hate me for this, but as memorable as the movies TJM listed are, the one Landis will be remembered for by a lot of people isn't actually a movie.

"Thriller."
Posted by: Dr. T at August 17, 2024 08:21 PM (lHPJf)

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My 5 year-old granddaughter is transfixed by the dancing in it, even though the zombies give her nightmares.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 17, 2024 08:23 PM (WBQfF)

66 >>But, he made some really great films. That's more than most directors can say, sadly.

If I got a bunch of people coming over to hangout and chill and my options are either the films of Stanley Kubrick or the films of John Landis, I'm probably going to choose the films of John Landon's 10 times out of 10.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 17, 2024 08:22 PM (XV/Pl)

That sounds wise. Kubrick is not a party film guy. Although....The Shining....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 17, 2024 08:23 PM (xcxpd)

67 What I know is that there are 6 of you on this blog that could collaborate and produce a movie better than anything out there

Posted by: Ben Had at August 17, 2024 08:23 PM (nvZes)

68 On a positive note I’ve been going through a hoard of Criterion Italian films and watched Luchino Visconti’s Senso a few nights ago. What an amazingly lush film! For some reason I went into it thinking it was some sort of psychedelic film, but it’s a historical semi-epic set in Venice in its fight for independence from Austria.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 17, 2024 08:24 PM (EXyHK)

69 62 57 I enjoyed TJMs walk through Landis-land, maybe more than he did (?).
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Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 17, 2024 08:18 PM (xcxpd

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Comme ci. Comme ca.
Posted by: TJM's phone at August 17, 2024 08:22 PM (GBKbO)

None of that commie talk now

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 17, 2024 08:24 PM (xcxpd)

70 That sounds wise. Kubrick is not a party film guy. Although....The Shining....
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 17, 2024 08:23 PM (xcxpd)


For some definitions of "party."

Posted by: Dr. T at August 17, 2024 08:25 PM (lHPJf)

71 42 38 @33 Oh, so now I'm Mark?
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 17, 2024 08:09 PM

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Was that you? Sorry. My memory is dipping the closer I get to 29...
Posted by: TJM's phone at August 17, 2024 08:11 PM (GBKbO)

It was BC, fair is fair

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 17, 2024 08:26 PM (xcxpd)

72 70 That sounds wise. Kubrick is not a party film guy. Although....The Shining....
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 17, 2024 08:23 PM (xcxpd)

For some definitions of "party."
Posted by: Dr. T at August 17, 2024 08:25 PM (lHPJf)

Furries....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at August 17, 2024 08:27 PM (xcxpd)

73 Kubrick is not a party film guy.

Streaming sites seem to classify Lolita as a romance. Maybe try that one.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 17, 2024 08:27 PM (EXyHK)

74 For some reason I went into it thinking it was some sort of psychedelic film, but it’s a historical semi-epic set in Venice in its fight for independence from Austria.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 17, 2024 08:24 PM (EXyHK)


Is that when the Carbonari societies were involved, or am I thinking of another fight against the Austrians?

Posted by: Kindltot at August 17, 2024 08:28 PM (D7oie)

75 67 What I know is that there are 6 of you on this blog that could collaborate and produce a movie better than anything out there
Posted by: Ben Had at August 17, 2024 08:23 PM (nvZes)

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Which 6?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 17, 2024 08:28 PM (WBQfF)

76 (quickly leaves room because I know I would suggest practical effects including men in rubber monster suits and possibly claymation)

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Remember when womens jobs were genuinely important? at August 17, 2024 08:30 PM (Sin+I)

77 OH DANG AT MY HASH

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Remember when womens jobs were genuinely important? at August 17, 2024 08:30 PM (Sin+I)

78 76 (quickly leaves room because I know I would suggest practical effects including men in rubber monster suits and possibly claymation)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Remember when womens jobs were genuinely important? at August 17, 2024 08:30 PM (Sin+I)

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*claps in Mothra*

Posted by: TJM's phone at August 17, 2024 08:30 PM (GBKbO)

79 I looked up the Twilight Zone incident on Wikipedia. Based on what it has to say, Landis was a total asshole. He ignored crew members who told him the helicopter stunt was becoming unsafe, and was reportedly acting smarmy at the subsequent trial. It ended his friendship with Spielberg.

If the incident wrecked his subsequent career, I'd say it was no more than he deserved.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 17, 2024 08:31 PM (lHPJf)

80 Cicero, JJ, TJM. SPB , BC, Eris, and Anna puma

Posted by: Ben Had at August 17, 2024 08:31 PM (nvZes)

81 80 Cicero, JJ, TJM. SPB , BC, Eris, and Anna puma
Posted by: Ben Had at August 17, 2024 08:31 PM (nvZes)

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I think JJ has actual credits.

Posted by: TJM's phone at August 17, 2024 08:32 PM (GBKbO)

82 @40 - sources say it was Grimace.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 17, 2024 08:32 PM (CHHv1)

83 Into the Night 3/4. Compelling and intriguing. Goldblum and Pfeifer were perfect counterpoints, the villains were a foreshadowing of today and the ending a shocker.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 17, 2024 08:33 PM (mdzTB)

84 TJM, yes he does so he can keep the rest of you on track.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 17, 2024 08:34 PM (nvZes)

85 *claps in Mothra*
Posted by: TJM's phone

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Intergalactic would be more appropriate in a response, but I consider the Beastie Boys "Body Moving" video near the peak of what can be accomplished in modern cinema.

https://tinyurl.com/n6nx8fv

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Remember when womens jobs were genuinely important? at August 17, 2024 08:34 PM (Sin+I)

86 Is that when the Carbonari societies were involved, or am I thinking of another fight against the Austrians?

They didn’t appear in the film, and a very cursory search indicates that yes, that was an earlier fight.

Until recently, if Italy wasn’t fighting “foreigners” they various regions were fighting each other. It’s probably a little unfair to call them all Italy—some of the “dialects” are mutually incomprehensible.

When I was in Italy last year I looked for two old Italian books, one a collection of fairy tales. It was very expensive, and while I was looking to make sure I really wanted to spend that kind of money I noticed that it said “tradotto da” in the frontispiece.

It was in Italian and it had been written in Italian. Turns out, it was written in one Italian and needed to be translated into another if anyone else in Italy wanted to read it. (I didn’t get it, but mainly for other reasons.)

The “funny” part is, if I understand correctly most Italians know two dialects, sometimes mutually incomprehensible, but do not consider themselves multilingual for it.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 17, 2024 08:36 PM (EXyHK)

87 Beverly Hills Cop III is so bad Murphy let a shot at it into the new Netflix film.

Posted by: Bete at August 17, 2024 08:36 PM (LX4y3)

88 86 The “funny” part is, if I understand correctly most Italians know two dialects, sometimes mutually incomprehensible, but do not consider themselves multilingual for it.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 17, 2024 08:36 PM (EXyHK)

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When I taught English in Italy, one of my students said this. Except for Florentines.

Posted by: TJM's phone at August 17, 2024 08:37 PM (GBKbO)

89 @75

>>Which 6?

I think Jaws is the greatest film of all time, ive written mock treatments for three prequels and one sequel that would be a court room procedural around the death of the little Kitner boy and would effectively write Jaws 2, 3 and Jaws the revenge out of canon.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 17, 2024 08:38 PM (XV/Pl)

90 Ah, ja, the cinema. Greetings to you, gray box Horde. It is then Landis that we analyze, upon this occasion? This brings to mind the storied past, such that Werner has a flash-back. Allow your mental cameras to go free, a semi-hypnotic fade and cut. If you do the doo-doo-doo-doo loop of Wayne's World, this is fun. Are you worthy in the eyes of Wayne and Garth? Ja, you are excellent.

It is the early Eighties and Werner is in high gear, film-wise. My agent tells me, Vern (all call me that in Tinsel Town, I am resigned to it), you need a family-friendly film. Teutonic intensity and fever dreams are missing key demographics. i roll my eyes, and give my assent. Something for the kiddies, Ja? Ja. Werner is melancholy.

Deutschland is a treasure trove of folk tales and comparable narratives that the kids love. I need but consult the works of the cheerful and optimisric Brothers Grimm. What could go wrong?

Eins of Zwei..

Posted by: Werner Herzog Has Opinions at August 17, 2024 08:38 PM (tmPIh)

91 Not much to add tonight
Hope everyone has a great evening

And not too much popcorn

Posted by: Skip at August 17, 2024 08:38 PM (fwDg9)

92 Evening and thx TJM. I kind of like Innocent Blood , probably because Anne Parrilaud is so cute as a vampire.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 17, 2024 08:39 PM (gXGVH)

93 into the night was great, jeff played the part as it was written.

…also…juror #2 or #6?

Posted by: cherries are the best at August 17, 2024 08:40 PM (O6rtc)

94 I completely disagree about Spies Like Us, it's excellent. I usually watch it as a double-bill with Charlie Wilson's War.
"Hey, it's the Yusufzai - they're our allies! Hey! We're Americans!"

Posted by: gKWVE at August 17, 2024 08:40 PM (gKWVE)

95 For anyone interested Prometheus is on FX. Ducks, scurries behind the furniture

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 17, 2024 08:40 PM (gXGVH)

96 Oh well, at least Oscar was a surprising delight. Seriously, I doubt many of you have seen Oscar. It's a 30s screwball comedy and works really well. Check that out.

I absolutely love the movie "Oscar". I watch it once every couple of years, and I know most of the lines by heart, but it still makes me laugh every time. I'd easily place this on a top ten of all time movies.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at August 17, 2024 08:42 PM (O7YUW)

97 Streaming sites seem to classify Lolita as a romance. Maybe try that one.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 17, 2024 08:27 PM (EXyHK)


I think they frown upon those sorts of party these days.

Posted by: Ghislaine at August 17, 2024 08:43 PM (gKWVE)

98 Kubrick's 'Lolita' is a great, funny star studded movie.

Posted by: davidt at August 17, 2024 08:44 PM (i0F8b)

99 The main character's buddy gradually decomposing was hilarious in AAWinL.

Posted by: davidt at August 17, 2024 08:46 PM (i0F8b)

100 Ya know who has some entertaining movies ? The Israeli film industry.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 17, 2024 08:47 PM (nvZes)

101 The Grimm Brothers had a weird wolf obsession, although many of us have that to some degree, they were really into the whole lupine thing. As fetishes go, it is somewhat troubling, but it is not in Quentin Tarantino territory, at least.

My film would feature, then, a wolf. And what wolf is better than a werewolf? There is the whimsy of the mythic beast, and also his hair would be perfect. All should seek to know his tailor. Families would be able to view the adventures of my werewolf as he chowed down on Europeans. What would be better? I favored Berlin for the setting, but my agent reminded me that they speak English in the United Kingdom. The UK, then? How could it not be London?

The lycanthrope was, of course, to be played by God's own department-store mannequin, Klaus Kinski. Initially he was not enthusiastic, but pepper spray can be highly persuasive, if coupled with a taser.

Mein Gott, there shall have to be a drei.

Posted by: Werner Herzog Has Opinions at August 17, 2024 08:48 PM (tmPIh)

102 Kubrick's 'Lolita' is a great, funny star studded movie.

So you’re saying, “Romantic Comedy”?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 17, 2024 08:48 PM (EXyHK)

103 I always get the movies Into the Night mixed up with After Hours. After Hours was fun with a hot early Linda Fiorentino

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 17, 2024 08:49 PM (gXGVH)

104 Very nice write up on Landis.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 17, 2024 08:53 PM (JvZF+)

105 Hi all. Thanks TJM for the writeup.

Off topic and apropos of nothing:

My three favorite Danes.
1)Great
2)Viggo Mortensen
3)Mads Mikkelsen

Posted by: haffhowershower at August 17, 2024 08:55 PM (NMT5x)

106 The Israeli film industry.

For whatever reason I thought "Beastmaster" was Israeli, but nah. The movies shot in Israel tend to be even worse: israel21c.org/how-israel-became-b-movie-central/
Rambo III and Delta Force are "highlights". And a lot of Biblical epics of course, like Barabbas (which wasn't terrible).

Posted by: gKWVE at August 17, 2024 08:57 PM (gKWVE)

107 The end times come. You have one movie to watch
Choose wisely

Posted by: Ben Had at August 17, 2024 08:58 PM (nvZes)

108 Jerome Weiselberry, the cutest YouTube reviewer, reviews the 1979 miniseries, Rebecca.

https://youtu.be/S6F05yI183c

Posted by: Robert at August 17, 2024 08:59 PM (1Yy3c)

109 Blues Brothers if I had to choose.

It also has the best soundtrack of any movie.

Posted by: haffhowershower at August 17, 2024 08:59 PM (NMT5x)

110 Soon Werner has a story board and puppets to make a pitch before the studio Leute. The transformation, I tell them, will be awesome. I explained how I would use pliers and ball peen hammers to stretch Kinski's visage to a degree that would make the ASPCA faint, while using multiple weights and wire cutters to render Klaus in quadruped form. They were off-put by this for some reason, so I assured them that Werner can do a lot with a Green Screen, and Klaus was quickly reaching his expiration date.

While I await their verdict outside the meeting room, a young Sasquatch claiming to be John Landis greets me and tells me about his upcoming production in which toddlers were to be duct-taped together and used to bludgeon worthy and unworthy victtims. I am amused, and tell him of my own production. Long story short, Landis stole my IP. Kinski would not have the glory, as Landis persuaded the studio execs that an American werewolf would fit the bill. Even now, Werner is pissed, both for this and also missing the opportunity to work with a peak hotness Jenny Agutter. Life is in fact not like a box of chocolates, but a nocturnal journey into the depths of the soul. Ach.

Posted by: Werner Herzog Has Opinions at August 17, 2024 09:00 PM (tmPIh)

111 gKWVE, Ushpizin, The Band, and Lemon Tree

Posted by: Ben Had at August 17, 2024 09:01 PM (nvZes)

112 Animal House had the supreme beauty of Lisa Baur. IMDb has her in Animal House and an episode of Charlies Angels and that's about it. She lives in New Zealand now (or Colorado. The internet is not sure. Bad Internet!), selling candles. In her late 60s somewhere. I think I saw a pic of her a few years ago. Still pretty with snow white hair. Glad she got out of Hollywood before it destroyed her.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at August 17, 2024 09:06 PM (BW+Gb)

113 107 The end times come. You have one movie to watch
Choose wisely
Posted by: Ben Had at August 17, 2024 08:58 PM (nvZes)
This one was easy, after only one double Cooper's Mark.
The Outlaw Josey Wales.

Posted by: Eromero at August 17, 2024 09:06 PM (LHPAg)

114 Can I just go fishing for two hours instead?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Remember when womens jobs were genuinely important? at August 17, 2024 09:06 PM (Sin+I)

115 Moron Robbie, yes. That is the best choice.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 17, 2024 09:07 PM (nvZes)

116 Can I just go fishing for two hours instead?

Minimum three hour tour.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 17, 2024 09:09 PM (EXyHK)

117 Verner, I am writing it like I am saying it, Verner my friend.

I am not one to question your vision nor your visage, but perhaps you could entertain this treatment.

I fee Klaus would be perfectly cast as 'A London Werewolf in America'.

He comes to the USA as a young lycanthrope, and he will be portrayed de-aged via CGI like our old friend Joe Pecsi in that house painting movie.

But as he ages, he turns into the Klaus we know and love (or hate) of today. Since he's been in America so long, 30 years of a steady diet of Domino's pizza, Beppi di bippos and Big Macs, everytime he turns into a werewolf, he is so fat and lazy that when he breaks into a house, he ends up curled up on the rug in front of the fireplace.

The ending needs some brainstorming though.

Posted by: haffhowershower at August 17, 2024 09:09 PM (NMT5x)

118 RE: Senso, - Alida Maria Laura, Freiin Altenburger von Marckenstein-Frauenberg (31 May 1921 – 22 April 2006), better known by her stage name Alida Valli (or simply Valli), was an Italian actress who...

Posted by: Braenyard at August 17, 2024 09:10 PM (mdzTB)

119 92 Evening and thx TJM. I kind of like Innocent Blood , probably because Anne Parrilaud is so cute as a vampire.
Posted by: Smell the Glove



Wait, I think I saw that. It was made in Pittsburgh. Off to IMDb!!
(a minute later)
Why yes, I did see it. Forgot about it. That's probably a tell.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at August 17, 2024 09:10 PM (BW+Gb)

120 (gets a bunch of Rapala broken-backs and that Mepps Minnow little six year old Moron Robbie was allowed to pick from grandpa's tackle box after he passed that I've never fished with)

Okay. Say when.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Remember when womens jobs were genuinely important? at August 17, 2024 09:10 PM (Sin+I)

121
Minimum three hour tour.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 17, 2024 09:09 PM (EXyHK)
Ginger, Mary Anne and Lovie.

Posted by: Eromero at August 17, 2024 09:11 PM (LHPAg)

122 Watched Founder last night. About Ray Kroc and the McDonald's brothers. Wow. An emotional rollercoaster.

Like There Will Be Blood without the histronics. So much more true to real life, because it was.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov, now, where does a war hero get some lubrication around here? at August 17, 2024 09:12 PM (wBaIH)

123 @117 the werewolf Kinski hunts and eats Werner Herzog

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 17, 2024 09:14 PM (gXGVH)

124 Watched Founder last night.

I loved the part where he can’t believe that’s his burger because it came out so quickly.

That ain’t McDonald’s nowadays.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at August 17, 2024 09:14 PM (EXyHK)

125 113 107 The end times come. You have one movie to watch
Choose wisely
Posted by: Ben Had at August 17, 2024 08:58 PM (nvZes)


Downfall -- would work on many levels during the end of days.

Posted by: Archer at August 17, 2024 09:16 PM (IDphi)

126 I normally avoid horror/slasher movies, but occasionally I watch one via RiffTrax. However, those only serve to remind me why I have no interest in them. They seem to rely on character being dumb, to the point where it makes me viscerally angry.

The movie was "Deadly Instinct" and some alien monster was wandering around a college campus killing people. (Mostly women) At one point our main character got between the monster and a woman, and got violently clawed across his chest. Then the police accused the main character of being complicit in the killings and took him in for questioning. The police dismissed his story about a monster, and our hero never thought to show the cops his still-bleeding chest wound as proof of his story. So, he continued to be the prime suspect, and people continued to die. Dumb, dumb, dumb....

Posted by: Castle Guy at August 17, 2024 09:17 PM (Lhaco)

127 Lore is important. The ancients explained werewolves, how to bust a cap in they ass and etc. We ain't learned shit.

Posted by: Eromero at August 17, 2024 09:19 PM (LHPAg)

128 How long before Lolita gets rewritten as a children's book?
My favorite movies in no particular order:
Apocalypse Now
Blues Brothers
Dr. Strangelove
TG,TB,TU

Posted by: Jamaica at August 17, 2024 09:20 PM (IG7T0)

129 End times: Apocalypse Now.
Let's get this party started!

Posted by: Jamaica at August 17, 2024 09:22 PM (IG7T0)

130
Last night I rewatched the Coen Bros movie, "Burn After Reading" on Netflix.

The first time I saw it I wasn't impressed.

This time I liked it better. Maybe mid-level, lower mid Coens.

It's one of their Shaggy Dog Story movies. In which, great directing, great acting, clever circumstance is all for literally nothing. They even tell you that directly in the movie through dialog.

"Barton Fink" is the best of their shaggy dog story movies becuz you can extract meaning from it if you wish but for the Coens that's totally optional.

High point of BAR is Brad Pitt's California dumbass. He's just hilarious.

Anyway, worth a view if you don't over-expect.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 17, 2024 09:23 PM (eDfFs)

131 I'm 75, an age when end times is not a catch phrase.

Posted by: Eromero at August 17, 2024 09:24 PM (LHPAg)

132 I don't have much to say about Landis.

When he was good, he was really good. But, when he wasn't, he was just awful.

Yeah, post-accident he seemed to lose that fearless ability to take a script as far as it could possibly go and still have a coherent movie.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 17, 2024 09:26 PM (eDfFs)

133 Haffhowershower, this is genius. Landis is subverted, and Klaus gets the opportunity to wolf down (Ja, Werner went there) some American culinary delicacies. CGI will certainly be needed, to add life to Kinski's sullen bovine gaze. Werner shall give Klaus a ring and search for the shock collar. For the ending, I would favor either an episode of the Maury Povich show, where Kinski disputes that Oprah Winfrey's off-spring is his, or dramatic chase scene where Klaus and the demure maiden Lindsay Lohan pursue Tom Hanks in a golf cart. When Hanks meets his sordid end. Kinski emits a falsetto howl and Lohan faces the camera with glowing yellow eyes. What could this mean? Werner is not sure. Then Klaus and Lindsey go for a chocolate malt at Dairy Queen for the product placement. This could be most diverting.

Posted by: Werner Herzog Has Opinions at August 17, 2024 09:27 PM (tmPIh)

134 Nood

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian Who Lives In The Thawed Out Tundra at August 17, 2024 09:33 PM (QXQ4l)

135 Klaus, you is a wur-wilf!

Posted by: Natalie at August 17, 2024 09:34 PM (vFG9F)

136 You use lots of purdy
words, but I can't help but distill it down to this:
Every movie you mention, with a couple of exceptions, I cannot pass by when channel surfing.
Lost time, but nothing but enjoyment and chuckles, each and every time. Repeatedly. Like, 20 times on some.

Thank you, seriously, for validating my desire for “brain optional”, entertainment.
There’s not enough to be said about decompression.

Posted by: Gunslinger at August 17, 2024 09:37 PM (65a8d)

137 Landis -- I've seen most of those mentioned, and forgotten most of 'em except for Animal House. Who can say why? I do recall being underwhelmed with the TZ film (except for the Nightmare at 20000 Feet segment) and while I remember liking American Werewolf well enough even Jenny Agutter hasn't so far made me want to revisit it. Never caught Into the Night, though, and may have to check that one out some time.

75 being end times? I'll buy that -- will hit that mark in a couple of months. And if I had to pick something for final viewing, I know I should glom onto terrific classics, but I'd probably wind up revisiting a bunch of 50s monster movies, the ones I grew up with and that made me love watching movies in the first place when I was still a kid. Go figure.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at August 17, 2024 09:38 PM (q3u5l)

138 Thanks TJM

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Yearick's body was immediately cremated by the FBI after the Trump shooting at August 17, 2024 09:40 PM (50jE1)

139 117 the werewolf Kinski hunts and eats Werner Herzog
Posted by: Smell the Glove

You must not encourage Klaus, for then he will think he's people. Such would be thoughtlessly cruel to a mere beast, not unlike encouraging a Dachshund to drive an automobile. The result would be tears and recriminations. Also, he attempted to consume myself and a number of tribesmen in the filming of Fitzcarraldo, to no effect. I admonished him, and the tribesmen giggled and called him unmentionable things in their incomprehensible tongue. Klaus will receive food pellets twice daily in this new project, and an extra treat if he is a good little homuncules.

Posted by: Werner Herzog Has Opinions at August 17, 2024 09:42 PM (tmPIh)

140 Love Three Amigos. It’s the kind of movie that can be popped into the DVD player and watched anytime.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 17, 2024 10:26 PM (Iyw8Y)

141 However, those only serve to remind me why I have no interest in them. They seem to rely on character being dumb, to the point where it makes me viscerally angry.

Same. And that's why I love The Cabin In The Woods, which provides a back story for why slasher films have those conventions.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 17, 2024 10:46 PM (noPDf)

142 When does Prometheus II: The Face Of The Creator come out??

Posted by: Jak Sucio at August 18, 2024 12:22 AM (Aoykm)

143 TRAPPED IN THE TWILIGHT ZONE : A Year After the Trial, Six Years After the Tragedy, the Participants Have Been Touched in Surprisingly Different Ways. And the Hollywood Controversy Still Burns.
By MARC GREEN and STEPHEN FARBER
Aug. 28, 1988

FLY BY NIGHT is about the helicopter crash on the set of "Twilight Zone: The Movie" – the Warner Bros. film co-produced by Steven Spielberg and John Landis – that killed actor Vic Morrow, and two children who had been hired illegally. (Amazon)

Good thread.

Posted by: L - If...(cellphone) at August 18, 2024 07:23 AM (NFX2v)

144 I only remember two things about Trading Places, and they both belonged to Jamie Lee Curtis.

Posted by: Gobba goo at August 18, 2024 07:44 AM (kGC7y)

145 Landis may have been legally aquitted but that doesn't mean he wasn't guilty. He let his ego and hubris get completely out of control and people died.

Posted by: madmike at August 18, 2024 08:37 AM (2vsXJ)

146 >>>Kentucky Fried Movie

Good catch! That one is in the same league as Airplane.
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That was my first thought too. Why no mention of Kentucky Fried Movie? It was nonstop jokes and as crude as Blazing Saddles but never gets mentioned. I was a freshman in college and we all loved it. We couldn't believe it actually got made. Obviously, it didn't come close to respectability but showed his zaniness as an independent director.

Posted by: Miami Grandpa at August 18, 2024 10:02 AM (6mkss)

147 The 3 Amigos was one of the worst movies ever made. You should be ignored about movies..

Posted by: Fisht at August 18, 2024 10:28 AM (BHEHK)

148 I liked both Into the Night and Innocent Blood, rewatch them every few years.
I think we have different tastes in film.

Posted by: John the River at August 18, 2024 10:40 AM (/3goP)

149 Didn’t Landis do some side work with music videos back in the day as well?

Posted by: Advo at August 18, 2024 12:03 PM (jO4mz)

150 Uhh, should have looked it up, Landis at least directed the Thriller video.

Posted by: Advo at August 18, 2024 12:04 PM (jO4mz)

151 Your writing reminds me of James Bowman, a conservative film critic whose reviews I always enjoyed.

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