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Gardening, Puttering and Adventure Thread, Aug. 10

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Hi, everybody! Hope everyone is safe from the storms and fires! Anybody taking precautions?

Today, Don in Kansas has some interesting thoughts on color and horticulture:

What color?

Horticulturalists see colors differently than most people. I’ve mentioned before that “coerulea” forms of orchids look lavender to me, not blue. Something similar happens with daylilies. This is “Hall’s Pink.”

Does that look pink to you? Parts of it may look a bit pinkish, but overall I’d call it orange.

What would you call it?

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“Artist Etching” is generally described as “pink.” Judge for yourself.

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Meanwhile, “Snowy Apparition” is called “near white.”

Not very “near” to my eyes. I’ve seen pictures online in which it does look very pale, but the plant in my garden is definitely yellow.

It’s possible that in a different garden with different conditions, or photographed at different times of the day under different lighting, the colors may be truer to their descriptions, but calling these “pink” and “white” is wishful thinking. Still, even though the colors are not as advertised, they’re reliable plants that bloom well.

I'm impressed that Don can grow all three of those to produce such perfect specimens.

Does anybody else grow one of these cultivars? What color is it?

If you click on the "Botany" or "Photo gallery" links at the bottom of Don's link above, you will find more enticing photos.

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Edible Gardening/Putting Things By

Diana has pawpaws:

Buds:

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Blossoms:

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Fruits in June:

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I found some growing instructions from Tyrant Farms for goumi berries. We featured Diana's last week.

Yes, you can eat Goumi berries! Perfectly ripe, vibrant red Goumi berries taste like sweet, tart cherries or red currants.

The under-ripe, orange-red fruit is still astringent so waiting an additional 2-3 days for the fruit to turn vibrant red and swell can make a big difference in flavor. From our experience, this is more likely to happen if you don’t have a toddler or child around who picks every single fruit the second it even gets a hint of red color! . .

Inside each Goumi berry drupe is a single, fibrous seed. Yes, you can eat the seeds, too! Goumi berry seeds taste like mild snap beans.

The trees or bushes have thorns and are related to Russian Olives. Like their relatives, they are nitrogen fixing. Interesting!

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Apples, apricots and apricot leather, from a cousin.

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The correct way to cut fruits

The first ones are tropicals. There are some different ways to cut more common fruits later in the video.

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Farming, etc.

Nice views of rice fields

Using ducks to grow rice

Ah, Nature

Diana has a REALLY GIANT mushroom.

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For contrast, here are some really tiny mushrooms.

And here's the inside of a mushroom cap.


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Puttering

Don in Kansas does some specialty photography. Here's a post on stereo photography. Click on the link to practice crossing your eyes with a couple of different flower photos. Here is a non-stereo photo of an orchid from the same post.

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Adventure


Avila pier

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Pismo Beach

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Gardens of The Horde

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Mrs Bohunk bought this red shrimp plant in hope of attracting malachite butterflies only to find out they don't lay eggs on the red version of the plant. Fortunately it turned out to be amazingly hardy plant that is covered in long lasting flowers that occasionally attract a hummingbird. It's a year around bloomer here in SW FL and it's super easy to care for.

Dirk Bohunk

What's growing in your garden?

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Hope everyone has a nice weekend.


If you would like to send photos, stories, links, etc. for the Saturday Gardening, Puttering and Adventure Thread, the address is:

ktinthegarden at g mail dot com

Remember to include the nic or name by which you wish to be known at AoSHQ, or let us know if you want to remain a lurker.

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Week in Review

What has changed since last week's thread? Gardening, Puttering and Adventure Thread, Aug. 3


Any thoughts or questions?

I closed the comments on this post so you wouldn't get banned for commenting on a week-old post, but don't try it anyway.

grain weevil safety silos https://x.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1820463519600627796

anti-desertification https://x.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1820428588476248238

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1 butternut brown with yellow

Posted by: Speller at August 10, 2024 01:28 PM (pSotA)

2 Good afternoon Greenthumbs

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2024 01:28 PM (fwDg9)

3 foist

Posted by: Speller at August 10, 2024 01:29 PM (pSotA)

4 Was supposed to make chili with my Anaheim and chili peppers yesterday, so better get to it today though not feeling the greatest

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2024 01:30 PM (fwDg9)

5 Still have only had 2 ripe tomatoes so far, none right now. Getting a couple cucumbers a day

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2024 01:32 PM (fwDg9)

6 Wait, 'Pismo Beach' is a real place? Does it have 'all the clams you can eat?'

Posted by: Castle Guy at August 10, 2024 01:40 PM (Lhaco)

7 Getting a couple cucumbers a day
Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2024 01:32 PM (fwDg9)

Cucumber sammiches.

Posted by: Robert at August 10, 2024 01:42 PM (rwPDs)

8 I'd have said coral or salmon for the color of the lead flower. Just my two cents.

Thank you for the gardening thread, K.T.
So many nice things to think about, and new stuff to learn.

Posted by: Appycay at August 10, 2024 01:44 PM (EdYR/)

9 Pismo Beach is Central CA. It's a nice little spot.
And yes, I used to dig for clams there.
Some very nice bicycle trails are around there, no competing with cars for miles and miles.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 10, 2024 01:44 PM (MeG8a)

10 From Boise area: Highs finally averaging 95 instead of 100... Air quality poor due to fires both far and near. Praying for those rescuing livestock to get them out of likely fire path.

Husband got tired of making pickles, so he made one last batch and cut the vines out. Cantaloupes looking happy, numerous. Mega-zucchini for Fair looking good, plant is only putting a few out but I expect when Mega is cut off, it will resume production. Sweet potato vines in pots are healthy.

SunGold tomatoes ramping up, as are bush green beans (still won't have enough for freezing due to poor germination this year). I've started picking black chokecherries.

I used a gift card to our local garden chain to get a bag of their "TomatoBoom" in hopes of reducing blossom end rot. Also spread ground eggshells on the beds where tomatoes go next year, in hopes calcium will start leaching in.

Fair is next week!! Time to read all the specific category requirements for each item (stem on or off, how many of each). Digging the carrots will be fun since Surprise Potatoes popped up from re-used soil.
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Posted by: Pat* at August 10, 2024 01:45 PM (xs5aC)

11 What's growing in your garden?

Weed.

Posted by: Reforger at August 10, 2024 01:48 PM (xcIvR)

12 Horticulturalists see colors differently than most people.

I truly think this. Not political - lets keep it literal. Golf ... I can't see "the line". I see grass.

It's why I garden ... everything is in rows. Defined. Determined. Planned.

Can't stand even helping the wife in her flower-beds. Its all chaos. I have a hard time, seriously, even focusing my eyes on the random nature of it all.

Posted by: Shaking My Head at August 10, 2024 01:48 PM (0cqlm)

13 Thanks KT

There is an Acorn woodpecker going to town on a Eucalyptus tree right next to me.

Posted by: San Franspycho at August 10, 2024 01:48 PM (JvZF+)

14 11 What's growing in your garden?

Weed.

Posted by: Reforger at August 10, 2024 01:48 PM (xcIvR)

WEEDS!!!

Posted by: Reforger at August 10, 2024 01:48 PM (xcIvR)

15 What's growing in your garden?

Weed.

Posted by: Reforger at August 10, 2024 01:48 PM (xcIvR)

WEEDS!!!
Posted by: Reforger at August 10, 2024 01:48 PM (xcIvR)

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Too late

Posted by: DEA at August 10, 2024 01:50 PM (2UnvF)

16 I can't grow anything edible because the wildlife will quickly destroy it, but everything else is blooming nicely and the local hummingbirds, butterflies and bees are enjoying themselves.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at August 10, 2024 01:50 PM (MeG8a)

17 It is apple season for my gravensteins I have a rebuilt press and a new sink mounted grinder, so I can grind and press a five gallon bucket of windfalls in about 30 minutes, and the new grinder gives me about half again the amount of juice. My bottleneck is now canning the quart jars.

I am also making dried apple chips, brewing several gallons of apple cider vinegar, and I finished making jam as well.
My next big thing is peach preserves

I have been getting yellow squash, and they are decent chopped up, steamed in a pan, and then I pour scrambled egg mix over them and cook them up like a Spanish torta.
When I start getting tomatoes of course, I will be using them for breakfast.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 10, 2024 01:52 PM (D7oie)

18 In one Futurama episode, Bender was a robot wrestler called “The Gizmo from Pismo!”

Then he put on a wig and became The Gender Bender.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 10, 2024 01:52 PM (S6gqv)

19 16 I can't grow anything edible because the wildlife will quickly destroy it

Me too. Except by wildlife, I mean my dogs.

My blue heeler actually destroys rose bushes. For fun. Despite the thorns.

Posted by: We Wuz Morlocks Once and Young at August 10, 2024 01:53 PM (wKJf5)

20 If anyone's interested, I ran into a Youtube about what one gardener recommends as far as max calories/nutrition per square foot in your garden. Crops were chosen to meet 4 of 5 criteria: easy to grow, good yield per square foot, calorie dense, nutrient dense, store well.

His top 10 are dry pole beans, sweet potatoes, quinoa, potatoes, summer squash, pumpkin, carrot, corn, cabbage, kale. Bonus crop, an herb garden to add flavors. He also suggests tucking in smaller crops like green onions, beets, lettuce, and radish before the top 10 are mature.

https://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=iasfVHoT5DY

Quinoa would struggle in my area, but potatoes... it's Idaho. We got potato growing down cold.
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Posted by: Pat* at August 10, 2024 01:53 PM (xs5aC)

21 Me too. Except by wildlife, I mean my dogs.

My gone Beagle really, really liked green tomatoes. He was a menace.

He also liked squirrels and rabbits.

Posted by: Shaking My Head at August 10, 2024 01:55 PM (0cqlm)

22 I don't like quinoa. Why not amaranth?

Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 10, 2024 01:57 PM (dDSBl)

23 My brother has a stand of pawpaw trees. I used to could get in there and collect the fruit. That area got kinda wrecked when timber was cut. Couldn't get in there at all. Sigh. Maybe some day I will get to have pawpaw pudding again.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at August 10, 2024 01:58 PM (4XwPj)

24 Can a big old lard press be used for pressing apples?

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at August 10, 2024 02:00 PM (4XwPj)

25 No sprinkler system, 100 degree days , no rain.

Sorry flowers , bushes and grass. Too forgetful to water you at night. Maybe tonight I’ll remember.

Posted by: polynikes at August 10, 2024 02:05 PM (B1dzx)

26 Pat*. Quinoa is related to Amaranth and lamb's quarters which are drought tolerant north American weeds. One species of Amaranth was part of the Mississippian culture crop, though it was supplanted by corn when the three sisters was adopted. You can eat the greens as well, but you have to get them young and boil them to get the oxalate out.
I have heard that kochia is also related. I know that grows in parts of Idaho.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 10, 2024 02:09 PM (D7oie)

27 In one Futurama episode, Bender was a robot wrestler called “The Gizmo from Pismo!”

Then he put on a wig and became The Gender Bender.
Posted by: Tom Servo at August 10, 2024 01:52 PM (S6gqv)

Speaking of gardening, I like Futurama better than the Simpsons. Their hatred of conservatives is much more subtle.

Both don’t come close to Seth McFarlane’s shows though.

Posted by: polynikes at August 10, 2024 02:09 PM (B1dzx)

28 Went out to check mail and found one of my broke branches pulling a wire down, had to get 8 foot step ladder to get it off.

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2024 02:12 PM (fwDg9)

29 In my current neighborhood we used to have wild orange trees , wild grapes , fig trees , loquats and plum trees.

Between the power company, the associations yard service company and disease ( took out the fig trees) all we have left are loquats.

Posted by: polynikes at August 10, 2024 02:13 PM (B1dzx)

30 Can a big old lard press be used for pressing apples?
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at August 10, 2024 02:00 PM (4XwPj)


I used one, but my lard press would only handle a gallon of pulp, so it is parked as a decoration now.
I wound up building an arbor out of 4x4 and 2x4s and I use a tongue jack that a neighbor very kindly welded a couple of lengths of angle iron on.
I got the angle iron from an old metal bed frame.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 10, 2024 02:13 PM (D7oie)

31 27
'Both don’t come close to Seth McFarlane’s shows though.'

I haven't watched anything of his after they stopped being funny.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 10, 2024 02:13 PM (3wi/L)

32 Quinoa has sapocins that have to be washed out. I've grown amaranth before. You can even pop it, although it's not like popcorn.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at August 10, 2024 02:13 PM (dDSBl)

33 One thing I miss about living in the Hudson Valley is all the fruit and vegetable farms open to the public ( for a price of course) .

It was a fun couple’s activity.

Posted by: polynikes at August 10, 2024 02:15 PM (B1dzx)

34 Both don’t come close to Seth McFarlane’s shows though.'

I haven't watched anything of his after they stopped being funny.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 10, 2024 02:13 PM (3wi/L)

To clarify, his shows are worse than any others.

Bob’s Burgers is the best animated show on these days.

Posted by: polynikes at August 10, 2024 02:16 PM (B1dzx)

35 Wow. The zucchini thing cracked me up.

Heidi is making and giving away zucchini bread as fast as she can.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob, now with more hate. at August 10, 2024 02:19 PM (0JyMa)

36 34

'Bob’s Burgers is the best animated show on these days.'

I, too enjoy Bob's Burgers. Hilarious without whizzing in the face of conservatives.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 10, 2024 02:19 PM (3wi/L)

37 Went for a walk on the local creek. Wildflowers galore. As a bonus an osprey caught a trout right in front of us.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob, now with more hate. at August 10, 2024 02:21 PM (0JyMa)

38 Do not leave your car unlocked.

People will stash zucchini in it.

Posted by: San Franspycho at August 10, 2024 02:23 PM (JvZF+)

39 Went for a walk on the local creek. Wildflowers galore. As a bonus an osprey caught a trout right in front of us.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob, now with more hate. at August 10, 2024 02:21 PM (0JyMa)

That’s a Kodak moment for sure.

Posted by: polynikes at August 10, 2024 02:24 PM (B1dzx)

40 I love the lilies and no, I don't think the color names match reality.

My daylilies bloomed late and just now are finishing. Lateness is the story of the vegetable garden, too. Cold weather and flooding is not conducive to growth.

I have THREE puny tomatoes growing, the first batch of lettuce is nearly ready, and ONE female zucchini blossom finally bloomed. No sign of squash blooms..

Posted by: NaughtyPine at August 10, 2024 02:29 PM (uPPbD)

41 Two adult Bald Eagles circling down the ridge line riding the air currents this morning. We brought the cat in.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at August 10, 2024 02:30 PM (/U5Yz)

42 Garden report - I harvested my first modest bit of okra, and 2.5 lbs of Contender beans. The Blue Lakes are later - only a handful to start. Swamped in eggplant, but not as many peppers as last year. The tomatoes haven't been real happy this year - the hot and dry June really knocked out the corn as well. Half of the squash plants died without producing much.

Cucumbers are the big winners. If I had a compost pile, it would be full of cucumbers that got away from my.

I'm raising white okra in the back bed for seed. Enormous leaves - we'll see how it tastes. I've got about 3 plants out there and they'll produce way more seed than I need.

The zinnias and marigolds in intermittent rows are a colorful touch. Unlike many places, we've got plenty of bees and butterflies.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at August 10, 2024 02:37 PM (w6EFb)

43 Do not leave your car unlocked.

People will stash zucchini in it.
Posted by: San Franspycho at August 10, 2024 02:23 PM

Challenge accepted!

Posted by: NaughtyPine at August 10, 2024 02:39 PM (uPPbD)

44 So we got laden with some surplus zucchini and Mrs. F. made a chocolate zucchini poundcake that is very excellent, moist, and a very umami earthy chocolatey flavor.

Posted by: San Franspycho at August 10, 2024 02:43 PM (JvZF+)

45 What would you call it?

Peach

Posted by: Tuna at August 10, 2024 02:45 PM (oaGWv)

46 44 care to share that recipe?

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at August 10, 2024 02:45 PM (w6EFb)

47 So I finally cleaned out my two little.garden beds.
The thyme is doing nicely.
Planted two tomato plants. Damned if they didn't grow. So far I have five.really nice looking tomatoes. I wonder when they turn red?

Posted by: Diogenes at August 10, 2024 02:46 PM (W/lyH)

48 44 care to share that recipe?
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at August 10, 2024 02:45 PM (w6EFb)
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But then I would have to talk to her.

Posted by: San Franspycho at August 10, 2024 02:48 PM (JvZF+)

49 So far I have five.really nice looking tomatoes. I wonder when they turn red?
Posted by: Diogenes at August 10, 2024 02:46 PM (W/lyH)

Ask them embarrassing questions, Diogenes.

Posted by: RI Red at August 10, 2024 02:50 PM (myqfk)

50 I recall my mother buying a "blue" rose through a mail order catalog. Turned out that the blooms were pink, but they were a bluer pink than just plain pink. So, not actually blue.

Posted by: Emmie at August 10, 2024 02:50 PM (Sf2cq)

51 I've explained to my husband that in horticulture, purple flowers are described as blue.

Posted by: Emmie at August 10, 2024 02:51 PM (Sf2cq)

52 Just a stray on topic thought. Van Gogh has some fantastic paintings of flowers much better than his Sunflowers series.

Posted by: polynikes at August 10, 2024 02:52 PM (B1dzx)

53 I've explained to my husband that in horticulture, purple flowers are described as blue.
Posted by: Emmie at August 10, 2024 02:51 PM (Sf2cq)

Yes the color wheel shows the gradual transition from blue to violet. Blue-violet is the color described as blue . Nature has few objects that are true blue .

Posted by: polynikes at August 10, 2024 02:58 PM (B1dzx)

54 But then I would have to talk to her.

Posted by: San Franspycho at August 10, 2024 02:48 PM (JvZF+)

Alas. Perhaps on the food thread tomorrow?

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at August 10, 2024 03:03 PM (w6EFb)

55 First tomatoes in NNH two weeks ago.
Slice of tomato, slab of mozzarella, dollop of balsamic vinegar, topped with a leaf of oregano.

Posted by: RI Red at August 10, 2024 03:08 PM (myqfk)

56 Alas. Perhaps on the food thread tomorrow?
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at August 10, 2024 03:03 PM (w6EFb)
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I'll send her an Outlook invite for a chat later.

Posted by: San Franspycho at August 10, 2024 03:11 PM (JvZF+)

57 More broke and hung up branches than first saw

Posted by: Skip at August 10, 2024 03:27 PM (fwDg9)

58 Nood pets....

Posted by: Appycay at August 10, 2024 03:35 PM (EdYR/)

59 Miley, okravangelist at August 10, 2024 02:37 PM

Contender should be a good early variety for you. One of the heat-tolerant newer pick-them-all-at-once varieties is probably better than Blue Lake for the second spring crop.

Keep track of which varieties of cucumbers do well for you.

Posted by: KT at August 10, 2024 03:47 PM (xekrU)

60 Also, Miley, if you want to try a flat bean, Romanette (Crosman's carries it) is halfway between a Romano and Blue Lake type. I have found it to be more heat tolerant than other flat bush beans I have tried.

It's an old variety.

Posted by: KT at August 10, 2024 04:29 PM (xekrU)

61
Crop report: With the exception of corn, everything exceptional. Cucumber, zucchini, tomato, lettuce, spinach, lima beans? All kicking ass. Corn apparently got parched out with too many consecutive ninety degree days early on. Next year I'll move it further away from the house, plant ten times more and accept that the deer will take at least 20% of my effort. The deer apparently believe you have to 'spread the wealth around."

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 10, 2024 05:35 PM (RKVpM)

62 Orchid name suggestion: “Light Atlantic Salmon”. (A far cry from good ol’ Alaskan Sockeye, my favorite.)

Posted by: dhmosquito at August 10, 2024 07:09 PM (/Chlc)

63 Horticulturist don't see things differently; they indulge in a great deal of wishful thinking.
There are very few true blue flowers, yet half the purple ones are referred to as blue, because everyone wants to breed true blue flowers.
Most daylilies are some flavor of yellow or orange, with some burgundy thrown in for good measure, which is then referred to as red. True pink does not exist on a daylily, although I will say that I have noticed that when I gardened out West, which has very alkaline soils as a rule, flowers advertised as apricot would often be pink, but when I came back to my acidic Southern soils, the flowers were definitely more as described. But never pink cupped daffodils, which are always peachy, horticultural descriptions be damned.
Posted by: Shaking My Head at August 10, 2024
This is very common between men&women. My husband is like you, wants everything lined up like soldiers on parade. I abhor straight lines, which look contrived, Imuch prefer big, sweeping drifts. Some wmen like formality & symmetry, though. I have friends who bust out tape measures to decorate their mantel, perfectly symmetrical. Have to resist the urge to mess it up a little!

Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at August 10, 2024 07:20 PM (Vvh2V)

64 Re: #26 Kindltot-Koschia is one of our nemisis' in Idaho. Along with morning glory (bind weed), tumbleweeds and goat heads. I know purslane has some nutritional value. My spouse's mother used to make it for them. Supposedly tastes iike spinach but its a gonner on our property. It's seeds live for 10 years, like goatheads. Just found a new weed called salsify or goats beard. Looks like a tall giant dandelion-fully and full of wispy seed heads.

Posted by: shari hastings at August 10, 2024 08:44 PM (nXCz/)

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