Overnight Open Thread - 08/06/2024<br><i>[Roger Ball]</i>

Overnight Open Thread - 08/06/2024
[Roger Ball]

Greetings, HORDE! Lest the banner picture lead you to believe I have a strange fetish about old Grumman airplanes*, let me put your minds at ease. It is fire season and the theme of this ONT is airborne firefighting or, in the industry lingo, “air attack”. Also, if you’re not “ aeronautically inclined”, or time limited, skip all the airplane stuff and head south to more traditional ONT fare.

*Well, full disclosure, I did fly the A-6 Intruder and who doesn’t love all the Grumman cats?

So, let’s go!

First, the lineage of the S2F “STOOF” started with entry into service in 1954 as an anti-submarine warfare platform. It then became the WF-2 Tracer “STOOF with a ROOF” or the “Willy Fudd”. Heh. (Navy guys, you know, lots of time at sea and no women or beer. Nowadays maybe more women and soy lattes.)
(Note: if you don’t understand the early Navy aircraft designation protocol, don’t worry about it. That’s for another time and another thread.)

It also was used in Training Command as the advanced multi-engine trainer and allowed E-2 pilots to CARQUAL before going to the expensive airplane. And finally, the subject of my last ONT, it was the C-1 Trader COD aircraft. It was powered by two Wright 1820 cubic inch radial engines and was a rugged bird in the best Grumman tradition. It was phased out in the late 70’s and most were sent to the bone yard at Davis Monthan. However, Marsh Aviation in Mesa, AZ developed one of the great repurposing programs for the STOOF. With no small amount engineering imagination and expertise, they turned 23 of the aircraft into air attack firefighters. It is now known as the Marsh/Grumman S-2FAT Turbo Tracker. (No, not a "FAT" Turbo Tracker, "F" is for Grumman (don’t ask) and “AT” is for Air Attack.) You should not be surprised that the Grumman Tracker has its very own outstanding and thorough website because…uh…aviation geeks. Here’s Tanker 88 as an example. You will see “her” again shortly.

I’ve often thought that air attack would be a cool job. It involves lots of equipment, coordination and planning and takes place in a threat environment. And you get to “enjoy” it while nobody is actually shooting at you, although obviously there is lots of fire involved. What better way to learn about the job than to talk to an air attack pilot? I found a video Juan Browne made last year at the Grass Valley, CA air attack base. He talks to air attack pilot Abbie Crews for almost 30 minutes about her career, the mission, the airplane and the lifestyle. She presents herself as a cool, professional experienced pilot and, I think, would make a credible subject for Red Friday. Here’s a taste:

Here’s the full interview if you are so inclined.

If not, no worries. Ace hosts a busy HORDE so here’s the short story:

Abbie went to the Air Force Academy, flew C-17s and MC-12s. After leaving active duty she was searching for her next flying job and airlines were not very attractive to her. She got the job with CALFIRE, starting out in the OV-10 and then moved to the Turbo Tracker. The schedule is 10 on, 5 off. If it’s an active season, she could be working 10 hours a day or more. The pay is commensurate with major airline pilot pay. The air attack pilots even have a union or "association" as we like to call it. I learned a lot in those 30 minutes, and it still sounds like a pretty cool job.

The HORDE dwelling in the western US know that this has been a busy season so far. Thankfully the current incidents are not as bad as >the Camp Fire in 2018, but the current Park Fire has burned up over 400,000 acres, destroyed hundreds of structures, incalculable wildlife and displaced hundreds of people although, miraculously, no fatalities.

From the CALFIRE PARK FIRE website: 6588 personnel, 40 helicopters, “numerous” air tankers and 192 dozers. If you watched the video, Abbie noted that the dozers are one of the most effective pieces of firefighting equipment. Makes sense now but it would not have been my first guess.

And all that fire…what could it be? ‘Global warming”? “Global climate crisis”? Nope, sorry fans, just an idiot with a prior arrest record and a burning car.

Ronnie Dean Stout II, 42, of Chico, was arraigned Monday in connection with the Park Fire, which has quickly become one of the largest recorded wildfires in California's history. During his first court appearance, he was charged with felony arson with an enhancement of special circumstances due to prior convictions… Stout was allegedly spotted just before 3 p.m. PT on Wednesday pushing a burning car down a gully…

Aerial firefighting is a great application of the airplane enabled by imagination and engineering excellence. WW2 bombers like the B-17 and PB4Y started out being the “heavies”. Then C-130s, DC-6/7s came along. The amazing Air Tractor 802 Fire Boss is used all over the world. Same for the Canadair CL-415, the B737s (not MAXs, btw) all the way up to B747s that could show up to a fire if required. And that’s just the fixed wing. Helicopters could be a whole other thread!

Even the DC-7B, Ship 717, now parked in front of the Delta Flight Museum used to be Tanker 33 for the International Air Response company based in Arizona.

Aerial firefighting is a cool job but it’s not without risk. Y’all may remember seeing this one in the news?

CALFIRE lost one of their own Turbo Trackers in 2014.

…while on approach, Tanker 81 struck trees with its left wing. Following the impact with the trees, the airplane entered a descending left roll, and it then impacted on the top of an approximate 800-ft-tall rock cliff. A fire erupted during the impact, the airplane fragmented, and the main wreckage was projected over the cliff and scattered over a wide river valley below the cliff face.

That’s tough stuff and thankfully a rare event.

Assembling this part of the thread has been very educational and has given me even greater appreciation for the dedication and professionalism of our firefighters in the air and on the ground. (MCGRUFF, saluting you sir!) Like I like to say, I’m glad they are on our side. Of course, good forest management might preclude the need for all the effort, but that should be covered in another thread. Now, on to...

Traditional ONT fare

First, it’s August 06. In 1945, it was a “brave new world” moment when Little Boy detonated over Hiroshima. Whether you think it was a good idea or a bad idea, my study indicates that it brought a prompt end to the war. The emperor mentioned the bombs specifically in his statement to the people. If the Allies had proceeded with Operation Downfall, I have no doubt the death count would have been in the many millions. My dad was on the staff of the 20th AD which was the first reserve afloat (in other words, the second wave) for the second part of Downfall, Operation Coronet, which was to target Tokyo. He didn’t talk about it too much but he did say they all thought that if they had to set foot on Japanese soil, none of them would survive. I am personally okay with the boys not having to test that theory.

Three years earlier, The 1st Marine Division was moving into place for the amphibious assault on Guadalcanal to take place on the 7th. At least the Marines didn’t have to worry about the next item when they hit the beach, although they did have “other concerns” at the time.

Extra stuff at the beach? A couple of weeks ago, beach goers at the exclusive islands of Nantucket and Martha’s Vineyard were greeted with shards of fiberglass and chunks of foam material.

…“the largest turbine in the western world.” It was supposed to be one of the 62 turbines that would make up the first large-scale, commercial offshore wind farm in the United States.
But just nine months later, the project has been suspended by the federal government after the now infamous turbine blade failure on July 13th that left Nantucket’s beaches and the waters surrounding the island littered with fiberglass and styrofoam debris…

As John F’n Kerry might say, “Mon Dieu! Mon agenda vert!” I am familiar with the Cape and Islands, and I can’t even imagine 62 of those abominations sitting offshore. As if living on those islands isn’t expensive enough already, now we must add man-made environmental disasters? BTW, Vineyard Wind is just the latest hustle that took over after Cape Wind folded up.

But it may not be over yet. Perhaps adults will step in…

Late Tuesday afternoon, the Bureau of Safety and Environmental Enforcement said all operations are shut down until further notice… The turbine blades are made of non-toxic fiberglass. Fragments can vary in size and are usually green or white.
Vineyard Wind said that while the fiberglass is not hazardous to people or the environment…

Well, that’s a relief. Not hazardous, unless you get a shard of fiberglass jabbed into your foot. And who are those “adults”? Bureau of Safety and Environmental Enforcement which was established in 2011 under "BarryHO's" Department of the Interior. (bold mine)

Since its establishment in 2011, BSEE has been the lead federal agency charged with improving safety and ensuring environmental protection related to the offshore energy industry, primarily oil and natural gas, on the U.S. Outer Continental Shelf (OCS). The Bureau vigorously regulates oversight of worker safety, emergency preparedness, environmental compliance, and conservation of resources.

I’ll bet they really enjoy being vigorous, eh? And I get it. This layer of government was added in response to the Deepwater Horizon oil spill. I was in Orange Beach about a week or so after the spill started, and the fumes were pretty bad. Never let a good disaster go to waste. The T-shirts and memes came out quickly, “We’ve been BPeed on” and such. So even amid the disaster and fear pron, humor still found a way and abundant life returned to the Gulf.

Speaking of life, “life finds a way”
This is a watermelon vine growing out from under the office at my local airport, finding a way. Heh.

So, great HORDE of hordes, go forth and grab life by the, the, you know, the thing!

Roger Ball

Posted by: Open Blogger at 10:00 PM

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1 Crime-ridden Oakland rocked by another tragedy as father is shot between the eyes by stray bullet that flew into his home as he slept

https://mol.im/a/13715431

Rifle? Caliber medium? Obviously not a .223 right?

(I'm a non expert, self taught via Gun Thread.)

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, non ho trovato la sveglia #11 at August 06, 2024 10:00 PM (qfLjt)

2 Uno

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 06, 2024 10:00 PM (5p7BC)

3 First!

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 06, 2024 10:00 PM (r5tfK)

4 Like my dad used to say: "Try, it's all a steer can do."

Posted by: Some Rat at August 06, 2024 10:00 PM (vJiyU)

5 So close

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 06, 2024 10:00 PM (5p7BC)

6 Good evening.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 06, 2024 10:00 PM (jGGMD)

7 Yay, Hiroshima Day ONT!

Let's have a blast! Oh, maybe that's not such a good idea.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at August 06, 2024 10:00 PM (dZVON)

8 Good evening horde. Thanks RB!

Posted by: TRex at August 06, 2024 10:01 PM (IQ6Gq)

9 Evenin’, again, All.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 06, 2024 10:01 PM (v6JzV)

10 Posted by: Ciampino

How can ya write a novel and STILL get a first!?

Posted by: Some Rat at August 06, 2024 10:02 PM (vJiyU)

11 What a day!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at August 06, 2024 10:02 PM (hOUT3)

12 On the whole, I'd have to say the moderates are winning the GOP primary here in Missouri.

Lt. Gov. Mike Kehoe is probably going to take the governor's race; he's okay but very clearly the Chamber of Commerce candidate. Same for the lieutenant governor's race. The other offices look alright.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 06, 2024 10:04 PM (jGGMD)

13 10 Posted by: Ciampino

How can ya write a novel and STILL get a first!?
Posted by: Some Rat at August 06

Some things just need to stay mysterious

Posted by: Piper at August 06, 2024 10:05 PM (p4NUW)

14 11 Which barbarians did you slay today, Hrothgar?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 06, 2024 10:05 PM (v6JzV)

15 It doesn't seem like an airplane could carry much fire extinguishing chemicals. Those fires cover a huge area.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 06, 2024 10:05 PM (63Dwl)

16 CALFIRE - very brave people cleaning up after stupid people and mother nature.

Posted by: Iris at August 06, 2024 10:06 PM (n3DL0)

17 Awesome post. My hubs is out on fires now. His birthfather, whom he never got to meet, was a fire aviator who was LODD in 2009.

Posted by: Hazchic at August 06, 2024 10:06 PM (eIFmm)

18 How can ya write a novel and STILL get a first!?

Posted by: Some Rat at August 06, 2024 10:02 PM (vJiyU)

Cut and paste!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 06, 2024 10:07 PM (d9fT1)

19 14
Yo, Bulg. odd enough today was my day off!
But the barbarians had best be on guard tomorrow, oh yes!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at August 06, 2024 10:07 PM (hOUT3)

20 Thanks, Roger.

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at August 06, 2024 10:07 PM (d9Cw3)

21
Missed the national news. Was the lead story The Genius That Is Tim Walz?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 06, 2024 10:08 PM (1Nxff)

22 hey I just want to wish you all a good night!

I think the Walz thing is a sign of weakness. they will of course gaslight the hell out of us now; they have to, plus they always do.

don't get dispirited! ignore the FUD!

now I'm hearing Josh met with her last weekend and just ... changed his mind? this could be BS of maybe she is literally that dumb. he was like ... hmm maybe not.

either way, I'm glad it's not him. this guy is not going to show up Kamala in the brains dept - or the charm dept! yucko

sleep well and back at it tomorrow!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 06, 2024 10:08 PM (s3qiR)

23 Cut and paste!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 06, 2024 10:07 PM (d9fT1)

Paste! I like paste.

Posted by: President Little Joey at August 06, 2024 10:08 PM (gKDq2)

24 19 Go get ‘em, Hroth!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 06, 2024 10:08 PM (v6JzV)

25 Supposedly, after the Hiroshima bomb was dropped, the Japanese government leaders asked their scientific advisers if they could make an A-bomb of their own. It was the subsequent drop over Nagasaki that finally broke them.

I think it's pretty clear conventional methods would not have resulted in anything like a quick or bloodless victory.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 06, 2024 10:09 PM (jGGMD)

26 I've told this story before, so apologies if you've already seen it. My dad was a PFC in the European Theater. After V-E Day, his unit was guarding POWs who ran a bakery. His lieutenant, LT Armour (of the hot dog family) got orders to ship back to the States for 30 days leave and then report to San Francisco to ship out as a replacement in the Pacific. He said LT Armour sat there and cried, that he had won one war and they were sending him to die in another. My dad said he felt bad for him, but he was kind of glad that they didn't need privates.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 06, 2024 10:09 PM (r5tfK)

27 Washington has a republican named GoodSpaceGuy?

Posted by: Piper at August 06, 2024 10:09 PM (p4NUW)

28 The Brits in WWI had a flair for aircraft nicknames. Perhaps my favorite is what they called the REI, the Harry Tate.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I got 99 problems but Vance ain't one at August 06, 2024 10:10 PM (L/fGl)

29 1 Crime-ridden Oakland rocked by another tragedy as father is shot between the eyes by stray bullet that flew into his home as he slept
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Let this be a warning to everyone: do NOT emigrate to the US. You will die. Stay home.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 06, 2024 10:10 PM (0FoWg)

30 Hrothgar/Bulgaroctonus ‘24!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 06, 2024 10:10 PM (v6JzV)

31 Good evening everyone.

Posted by: Tonypete at August 06, 2024 10:10 PM (WXNFJ)

32 I don't know why, but it seems Japanese women have a special glow about them I find attractive. Must be something in their air.

Posted by: OrqangeEnt at August 06, 2024 10:10 PM (DaPio)

33 Never flew on a DC-7, but I flew on a DC-6 NY to Oslo Norway in 1961. Idlewild to Gander to Iceland to Oslo.Next time we went to Norway was on a 747 in 1972. Non-stop of course, and quite a different experience.

Posted by: Nordic Interiors at August 06, 2024 10:11 PM (CV8a5)

34 I did fly the A-6 Intruder...
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Ha! Currently reading 'Flight of the Intruder'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 06, 2024 10:11 PM (XeU6L)

35 The way the media is sugar coating these two, the ads should come with a warning for diabetics.

Posted by: Some Rat at August 06, 2024 10:11 PM (vJiyU)

36 31 Hey, Tonypete.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 06, 2024 10:11 PM (v6JzV)

37 >>> 25 Supposedly, after the Hiroshima bomb was dropped, the Japanese government leaders asked their scientific advisers if they could make an A-bomb of their own. It was the subsequent drop over Nagasaki that finally broke them.

I think it's pretty clear conventional methods would not have resulted in anything like a quick or bloodless victory.
Posted by: Dr. T at August 06, 2024 10:09 PM (jGGMD)

Wow. Did they think they could just whip something up in some guy's garage in a day or so? How did they imagine they would target anything of strategic or even morale value?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 06, 2024 10:11 PM (FnneF)

38 32 I don't know why, but it seems Japanese women have a special glow about them I find attractive. Must be something in their air.

Posted by: OrqangeEnt at August 06, 2024 10:10 PM (DaPio)

Posted by: Hello Joe! at August 06, 2024 10:12 PM (mAAeV)

39 Cut and paste!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 06, 2024 10:07 PM (d9fT1)

Shhh. Ancient Chinese secret!

Posted by: OrqangeEnt at August 06, 2024 10:13 PM (DaPio)

40
30 Hrothgar/Bulgaroctonus ‘24!
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 06

You have my vote!

But I absolutely expect some type of cabinet position in this administration.

Posted by: Piper at August 06, 2024 10:13 PM (p4NUW)

41
George MacDonald Fraser had a good question: if the bombs aren't dropped then when do the Japanese surrender? If the answer isn't August 15th, then you have some 'splaining to do.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 06, 2024 10:13 PM (1Nxff)

42
Scott Adams
@ScottAdamsSays
Looks like China will have the only vote this election.

Walz loves China. China probably appreciates that.

China controls TikTok.

TikTok controls American minds.

A 2% shift in support will decide the next president.

If China tells TikTok to push the Heat button (a real thing) for Harris-Walz, the election is decided.

Posted by: Mister Ghost at August 06, 2024 10:14 PM (TGPs7)

43 Abbie went to the Air Force Academy
You throw this out there without an associated year? That is a failure of protocol, mister!

Posted by: GWB at August 06, 2024 10:14 PM (AWrpC)

44 When I was in Test & Evaluation at AMC, one of our Test Managers was a Reserve Nav out of the California ANG that had the Fire Fighting mission. He said they were some of the scariest missions he ever flew. Lots of turbulence, smoke, etc. Hats off to the crews that fly those missions.

Posted by: JML at August 06, 2024 10:14 PM (OrDr0)

45 As I recall VA 76 and VA 176 both A6 Intruder squadrons were in our group. Also VA 15 and VA 215 with A7 Corsairs, and VF41 and VF84 two F4J squadrons. That’s power projection.

Posted by: Eromero at August 06, 2024 10:14 PM (LHPAg)

46 When I was about 7 years old, I got to fly on an old DC-3 that was being used on puddle jumper service from Midway Airport to Milwaukee. The flight path took a big turn out over Lake Michigan, and even now I remember being really impressed that when I looked out the window in the middle of that turn, I was looking straight down into Lake Michigan.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 06, 2024 10:14 PM (S6gqv)

47 Wow. Did they think they could just whip something up in some guy's garage in a day or so? How did they imagine they would target anything of strategic or even morale value?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 06, 2024 10:11 PM (FnneF)

I'm not an expert in it by any means, but it seems that the highest tier of the Japanese government was pretty much a raging dumpster fire throughout the war. Frequently way out of touch with reality.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 06, 2024 10:14 PM (jGGMD)

48 two F4J squadrons

The Sound of Freedom

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at August 06, 2024 10:15 PM (r5tfK)

49 Tanker 88 appears to have swapped out its original radials?

Probably for the better. Spritzing the fire with dripping oil wouldn't help put the fire out.

Posted by: 2009Refugee at August 06, 2024 10:15 PM (8AONa)

50 Washington has a republican named GoodSpaceGuy?
Posted by: Piper at August 06, 2024 10:09 PM (p4NUW)

=====

LOL, yes. I did not vote for him. We also had some furry chick named Kitten.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 06, 2024 10:16 PM (16NmB)

51 Daughter & her hub were up in Alaska last week, visiting relatives, all of whom were descendants (or in-law) of my Uncle Ed. He was young enough to be late to the European fight, which meant he was one of those being readied to head to the Pacific and the potential slaughterfest of taking on Japan. Ed lived to be in his 90s. Every one of those several generations of my cousins can thank The Bomb(s) that Ed didn't have to go.

Good evening, y'all. Saw a few leaves turning on our walk tonight. I know some of that is the dryness and heat... but August is going to be September all too soon.

Posted by: mindful webworker - onward through the fog at August 06, 2024 10:16 PM (dhLW1)

52 Cool planes and stuff

Posted by: Don Black at August 06, 2024 10:16 PM (/7KEl)

53 40: “I hereby nominate Piper P. Piper as National Exercise Czar for Fat Democrats.”
— Furure President Hrothgar

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 06, 2024 10:16 PM (v6JzV)

54 Trump claiming Biden may try to wrestle the nomination back. Holy cheese, this is like a bad novella.

Posted by: Piper at August 06, 2024 10:17 PM (p4NUW)

55 I like the planes that reload in the lakes . I always thought about how many fish they picked up.

Posted by: polynikes at August 06, 2024 10:17 PM (B1dzx)

56 DrudgeReport is unreadable. It's constant drooling over Walz' shvantz. You go to any Right X-poaster, like catturd2, and you get the disaster that is Walz's Governorship and his sir-robin military record (he should have been served a duck dinner for running out before deployment).
Anyway, fuck Drudge with a lumpy kielbasa, except he'd probably like it.

Posted by: gKWVE at August 06, 2024 10:17 PM (gKWVE)

57 But I absolutely expect some type of cabinet position in this administration.
Posted by: Piper at August 06, 2024 10:13 PM (p4NUW)

As long as you do not cackle, I am sure we can find a cabinet position for you!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at August 06, 2024 10:17 PM (hOUT3)

58 Thanks much for the ONT, RB. I immediately gravitate towards anything aviation-related. Good stuff.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 06, 2024 10:18 PM (mH6SG)

59 Why not just drop a MOAB and take away all the oxygen to put out a fire.

Posted by: polynikes at August 06, 2024 10:18 PM (B1dzx)

60 George MacDonald Fraser had a good question: if the bombs aren't dropped then when do the Japanese surrender? If the answer isn't August 15th, then you have some 'splaining to do.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 06, 2024 10:13 PM (1Nxff)

Funny thing about that. More people died in the firebombing of Tokyo than died in the two atomic bomb drops. Really overlooked stat.

The numbers roughly are 300-350,000 for the firebombing and around 150-250,000 for the atomic bombs.

Posted by: RickZ at August 06, 2024 10:19 PM (gKDq2)

61
I always thought about how many fish they picked up.
Posted by: polynikes at August 06, 2024 10:17 PM (B1dzx)

_________

Or other things.

Posted by: Zombie Scuba Diver at August 06, 2024 10:19 PM (1Nxff)

62 I like the planes that reload in the lakes . I always thought about how many fish they picked up.
Posted by: polynikes

The urban myth about the scuba diver found in the burn zone is a fun one.

Posted by: Some Rat at August 06, 2024 10:19 PM (vJiyU)

63 A-10 Warthog with the autocannon replaced by an auto-squirtgun.

Coming in low and slow over the fire...Sqrrrrrrrrrrrrrt

Posted by: haffhowershower at August 06, 2024 10:19 PM (NMT5x)

64 They’ll drop fire retardant along defensible rivers, roads and highways with fire crews stationed along those defensible strips. Not always, but it’s a thing.

Posted by: 13times at August 06, 2024 10:19 PM (enMZU)

65 53
Bulgaroctonus has already earned his cabinet position with that recommendation!!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at August 06, 2024 10:20 PM (hOUT3)

66 Supposedly, after the Hiroshima bomb was dropped, the Japanese government leaders asked their scientific advisers if they could make an A-bomb of their own. It was the subsequent drop over Nagasaki that finally broke them.

I think it's pretty clear conventional methods would not have resulted in anything like a quick or bloodless victory.
Posted by: Dr. T

You know, my father (and about a million other guys) was training for the invasion in the Phillipines when the bomb(s) were dropped, and WWII was over. He was part of the occupation force for about 5 months, arriving in early September. And I am here because he was not killed in the invasion, which would have been a very bloody affair.
Still, it is a tragedy for tens of thousands of Japanese that died at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There is a newspaper in the Air Force Museum that states "20,000 killed when Hiroshima Army base bombed". The fire bomb raids on Tokyo and Yokohama earlier in the year were actually more deadly, but the bombs were total destruction. The average Japanese probably supported the Emperor and such, but they didn't "vote" for the war. War is always tragic, which makes it something to be avoided.

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at August 06, 2024 10:20 PM (tjZg/)

67 We are anxiously waiting to see if husband's buddy gets enough votes to advance to the general to run for CMR's seat.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 06, 2024 10:20 PM (16NmB)

68 You know, people used to get out and vigorously protest on this day. Not so much anymore. It's disappointing, as they seem to be into terrorism now, and this Green thing and whining about the climate.

If they'd bring back global thermonuclear war, and thereby nuclear winter, they wouldn't have to worry about the climate as much.

Posted by: GWB at August 06, 2024 10:20 PM (AWrpC)

69 12 Doc

I skipped the GOP Camden County Sheriff primary race because I couldn't find enough info about the 4 candidates-- not unless I paid for a subscription to... The Lake Sun! (as if!)

I won't vote unless I can find info about each of the candidates.

The new GOP Congressman-to-be I voted for (open seat, following Luetkemeyer's retirement) seems perfectly good.

I should've compared notes with you before I voted, probably.

Posted by: mnw at August 06, 2024 10:20 PM (NLIak)

70 I'm currently playing Command: Modern Operations (a PC RTS wargame sim) and I'm having a hard time beating back a Soviet air assault on the Aleutians, circa 1965.

My sorry F-89J Scorpion fighters are not dealing with the Soviet Tu-16KSR-2-11 (Badger G's) that are after my surface ships. They're armed with AS-5 "Kelt" anti-radar missile that far outrange my defenses.

And the anti-air missiles of this era really suck donkey balls. As does my current strategy.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 06, 2024 10:20 PM (Q4IgG)

71 Living about 1/2 mile off the runway at NAS Atlanta, I would occasionally see A6's of VA-205 pass over.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at August 06, 2024 10:20 PM (XeU6L)

72 Well, full disclosure, I did fly the A-6 Intruder and who doesn’t love all the Grumman cats?

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Full disclosure: I logged many an hour in the Piper Tomahawk, known in some circles as "The Dork Killer."

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 06, 2024 10:21 PM (jdHxK)

73 Wow. Did they think they could just whip something up in some guy's garage in a day or so? How did they imagine they would target anything of strategic or even morale value?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket

Toward the end of the war, the Japanese government asked their scientists to invent a new type of engine that would be fueled by something they had in abundance like air. I guess their vision exceeded their grasp.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I got 99 problems but Vance ain't one at August 06, 2024 10:21 PM (L/fGl)

74 Fire season here in MT. Have had 2 days of thunderstorms and will check tomorrow on new fires.
Saw a huge bolt of lightning last evening and a short time later many, many emergency vehicles where it hit. Family home destroyed in minutes. Luckily the family was away, the pets sadly were home and didn’t survive.
Thundering as I write this.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at August 06, 2024 10:22 PM (2NHgQ)

75 I'm not an expert in it by any means, but it seems that the highest tier of the Japanese government was pretty much a raging dumpster fire throughout the war. Frequently way out of touch with reality.
Posted by: Dr. T at August 06, 2024 10:14 PM (jGGMD)

There was even an attempted coup against Hirohito at the last minute, after Hirohito decided he had to surrender (story was told by Hirohito’s staff). When it quickly fell apart, all the senior officers involved committed suicide. (And solved the problem of what to do with them)

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 06, 2024 10:22 PM (W4qJF)

76 DrudgeReport is unreadable. It's constant drooling over Walz' shvantz.
+++
Drudge report has been garbage for years. They went over to the dark side a LONG time ago.

Posted by: Florida Peasant at August 06, 2024 10:22 PM (Lo97M)

77 Lt. Gov. Mike Kehoe is probably going to take the governor's race; he's okay but very clearly the Chamber of Commerce candidate
Posted by: Dr.

At least he can't screw up foreign policy.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 06, 2024 10:22 PM (IG4Id)

78 1987 Carson City Nevada.
Parents had just bought my brother's family home.
We were standing on the porch watching a fire in the mountains West of us. It was getting close to some really high end houces on the side of the mountain.
B17, Boray bomber we called them. Came in for a sweep. Maybe 100 feet off the mountain side. Drops a concentrated load of retardant along the back fence of the houses and tries to pull up.
We watch him disappear beneath the horizon all Oh Fuck!!!
He was heading straight for us when he vanished.

Few seconds later we hear the roar of his engines and see him full emergency throttled as he goes over the top of us maybe 40 feet off the ground. Just above the houses. You could see the veins in his neck as he was pulling that fucking bird up with everything he had in his being.

He made four more runs that evening and that pass saved those houses.
I sort of envy you people who don't have to deal with wild fires.

Posted by: Reforger at August 06, 2024 10:22 PM (xcIvR)

79 Vivek Ramaswamy
@VivekGRamaswamy
Walz creates risks for both sides. The biggest risk for Democrats is they lose centrist voters over his radical policies. The biggest risk for Republicans is we get distracted by his lunacy & forget to define what we stand FOR: seal the border, end rampant crime, grow the economy, stay out of WW3, and revive national pride.

Posted by: Mister Ghost at August 06, 2024 10:23 PM (TGPs7)

80 51
Posted by: mindful webworker - onward through the fog

Similar here, I remain convinced that the only reason I got to know my father (USN in the Pacific) was because President Truman authorized the use of atomic bombs to stop the Japanese!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at August 06, 2024 10:23 PM (hOUT3)

81 I guess their vision exceeded their grasp.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I got 99 problems but Vance ain't one at August 06, 2024 10:21 PM (L/fGl)

Desperation is the mother of invention. Or something like that.

Posted by: RickZ at August 06, 2024 10:23 PM (gKDq2)

82 65 Hrothgar, I’ve got your six!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 06, 2024 10:23 PM (v6JzV)

83 Thanks for another dandy ONT, Roger Ball!

There are different types of fire attack aircraft that refuel and load slurry at our local airport. I have become accustomed to the Air Tractors, Lockheed spotter, "slurry bombers" and various helicopters. The Flight Radar app helps me track the aircraft and find out where the fires are.

Always a whispered prayer for those teams out trying to keep us all safe.

Posted by: Legally Sufficient at August 06, 2024 10:23 PM (v/rAj)

84 I would bet the Japs have nukes now

Posted by: Don Black at August 06, 2024 10:23 PM (/7KEl)

85 Evenin'

https://youtu.be/RhE8VQlczS4?si=-CAzLZaejhAg7nNY

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at August 06, 2024 10:23 PM (sAmhv)

86 40: “I hereby nominate Piper P. Piper as National Exercise Czar for Fat Democrats.”
— Furure President Hrothgar
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

Can I be Undersecretary of Energy in Piper's Czardom?

.....if that's the guy that keeps Piper supplied with fully-charged cattle prods and tasers.

Posted by: mikeski at August 06, 2024 10:24 PM (DgGvY)

87 Piper
Yes, Good Space Guy is a perennial candidate for one office or another in WA state.
I don't think even his mom votes for him anymore.

Posted by: Winston, GOPe, McFailure wing of the Uniparty at August 06, 2024 10:24 PM (IuLbu)

88 Meanwhile, in Ukraine:
1. "I Think That This Situation Absolutely Requires A Really Futile And Stupid Gesture Be Done On Somebody’s Part.” The Ukrainians sent a cross border raid into Russia near the northeast city of Sumy. What they thought they would accomplish is unclear. It may be a distraction for a counterattack elsewhere, or it might be an attempt to bolster sagging morale. A more sinister reason would be to scuttle any peace negotiations.
2. At the same time, the Ukrainians attempted a small amphibious assault on one of the islands at the mouth of the Dnieper River. None of the ten boats involved made it to shore.
3. The resistance to conscription continues to spread across Ukraine.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at August 06, 2024 10:24 PM (p6u48)

89 Anyone think with Kam's pick she expects to Walz into the White House?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at August 06, 2024 10:24 PM (DaPio)

90 Pretty sure we see that B737 flying out of the local airport way too often.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 06, 2024 10:24 PM (toj3d)

91 I grew up at a small airport in SW Washington State. Washed airplanes, pumped gas, and when I was old enough, learned to fly. Took my check ride in an American Yankee, later bought out by Grumman. So I flew Grummans too.
Damn! What a fun airplane to fly!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at August 06, 2024 10:25 PM (W/lyH)

92 I won't vote unless I can find info about each of the candidates.

The new GOP Congressman-to-be I voted for (open seat, following Luetkemeyer's retirement) seems perfectly good.

I should've compared notes with you before I voted, probably.

Posted by: mnw at August 06, 2024 10:20 PM (NLIak)

*insert shrugging emoji here*

Most of the races were a coin flip; the candidates spent all their time trying to prove they were bona fide Trumpers.

The only race I was really personally invested in was Lt. Gov; I've known Holly Rehder a long time and thought she would do a great job, but it looks like she won't get it. Oh well.

I would have picked Onder to replace Luetkemeyer, based on what I've seen of him, but Schaefer will probably do fine. As they say, you pays your money and you makes your choices (or something like that).

Posted by: Dr. T at August 06, 2024 10:25 PM (jGGMD)

93 72 Piper with a tomahawk?

Yikes! Where do I hide?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 06, 2024 10:25 PM (v6JzV)

94 74 Thundering as I write this.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine

Scary! Many prayers. Has anyone heard from COMarie?

Posted by: Piper at August 06, 2024 10:25 PM (p4NUW)

95 "Full disclosure: I logged many an hour in the Piper Tomahawk, known in some circles as "The Dork Killer."
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 06, 2024 10:21 PM (jdHxK)"

Ah yes, the Traumahawk.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at August 06, 2024 10:25 PM (/HDaX)

96 Toward the end of the war, the Japanese government asked their scientists to invent a new type of engine that would be fueled by something they had in abundance like air. I guess their vision exceeded their grasp.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I got 99 problems but Vance ain't one at August 06, 2024 10:21 PM (L/fGl)

One of the fun things about Godzilla Minus One is that the unique fighter plane our protagonist uses to attack Godzilla with was really on Japanese drawing boards at the end of the war. They just ran out of time to put it into production.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 06, 2024 10:25 PM (W4qJF)

97 My father used to supervise work on the KC-135 when he worked for Boeing . Seems like that would make a good firefighting plane.

Posted by: polynikes at August 06, 2024 10:26 PM (B1dzx)

98
Good Space Guy is a perennial candidate for one office or another in WA state.
I don't think even his mom votes for him anymore.
Posted by: Winston, GOPe, McFailure wing of the Uniparty

__________

The Beto O'Rourke of WA state?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 06, 2024 10:26 PM (1Nxff)

99 93 72 Piper with a tomahawk?

Yikes! Where do I hide?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August

This could be very bad!

Posted by: Piper at August 06, 2024 10:26 PM (p4NUW)

100 Walz creates risks for both sides. The biggest risk for Democrats is they lose centrist voters over his radical policies.

I was musing about this earlier. Ever since Kamala became the nom, they've been trying to portray her as a moderate. I guess they figured out that wasn't going to fly, and since YOLO, they went the full Monty with Walz. It's a sign of their desperation, or perhaps more accurately, their resignation. They know they're going to augur in bigly.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 06, 2024 10:27 PM (xCA6C)

101 mnw, PS:

I just looked at a map of District 3 and that is the most warped-looking thing I've seen in this state. Whoever came up with that, they're lucky they didn't face a court challenge.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 06, 2024 10:27 PM (jGGMD)

102 Wow. Did they think they could just whip something up in some guy's garage in a day or so? How did they imagine they would target anything of strategic or even morale value?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 06, 2024 10:11 PM (FnneF)

That was part of the problem with Japanese leadership - they really didn't think there was anything the Glorious Japanese People could not do and their Glorious Japanese Imperial Army and Navy could conquer any foe. And anyone who spoke caution generally got slammed down quickly. It spoke of the incredible respect for Yamamoto and a couple of others that they continued their careers despite being wary of the giant.

Remember it basically took the Emperor stomping all over his military leadership to get them to surrender after the second one.

That is why the bombs were so necessary - it wouldn't have just been millions of American and Allied soldiers dying to conquer the islands, but every last Japanese man, woman, and child in the islands.

Posted by: GWB at August 06, 2024 10:27 PM (AWrpC)

103 I am off to bed. Early am classes. Have to keep working so my skills remained honed for the cabinet position slated for me!

Posted by: Piper at August 06, 2024 10:28 PM (p4NUW)

104 Can I be Undersecretary of Energy in Piper's Czardom?

.....if that's the guy that keeps Piper supplied with fully-charged cattle prods and tasers.
Posted by: mikeski

The proposed Cabinet is shaping up nicely!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at August 06, 2024 10:28 PM (hOUT3)

105 Some gotta win, some gotta lose
Good Space Guy's got the blues

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I got 99 problems but Vance ain't one at August 06, 2024 10:28 PM (L/fGl)

106 Couple of weeks ago son got some great video of two AirBosses dipping out of Long Lake near Spokane.
He remarked "They're not as nimble after picking up 1200 gallons of water."

Posted by: Some Rat at August 06, 2024 10:28 PM (vJiyU)

107 25 Doc

My view too.

"100 million die together!" was the Japanese govt's pre-Hiroshima slogan. The Tokyo fire bombing didn't seem to alter their bitter-ender view.

I suspect a lot of their recalcitrance was due to the prospect of being hanged.

Posted by: mnw at August 06, 2024 10:29 PM (NLIak)

108 Cori Bush gone.
"Another Skwad bites the dust....."

Posted by: Norman Spiny at August 06, 2024 10:29 PM (IhV2v)

109 Four interesting images showing how tiny the air tankers are when flying against the wildfire front.

https://tinyurl.com/4e4yjdup

Posted by: 13times at August 06, 2024 10:29 PM (Nk1k0)

110 Girthy thread, Mr. Ball! Don't forget the Martin Mars, the biggest, baddest water bomber of them all. Got to see one in action, many years ago.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 06, 2024 10:29 PM (HZLHo)

111 That was part of the problem with Japanese leadership - they really didn't think there was anything the Glorious Japanese People could not do and their Glorious Japanese Imperial Army and Navy could conquer any foe.

After the war, some of the saner ones, including Hirohito, admitted that they'd underestimated the role technology and industry would play vs the samurai spirit. The contempt they had for American warriors was another factor, but they didn't admit that one.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 06, 2024 10:29 PM (xCA6C)

112 Trump claiming Biden may try to wrestle the nomination back. Holy cheese, this is like a bad novella.
Posted by: Piper

I think Biden tries to take Kamala out behind the woodshed and beat her up so he's back on the ticket.

That could be good for PPV.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at August 06, 2024 10:30 PM (VNX3d)

113 I'm not an expert in it by any means, but it seems that the highest tier of the Japanese government was pretty much a raging dumpster fire throughout the war. Frequently way out of touch with reality.
Posted by: Dr. T at August 06, 2024 10:14 PM (jGGMD)

I don't understand why the soldiers is the Solomons and on New Guinea are bitching about lack of food! I'm not going hungry here in Tokyo! Plenty of beer and sake here, too! Definite lack of bushido spirit out there in the tropical jungles!

Posted by: Japanese Premier Hideki Tojo at August 06, 2024 10:30 PM (5fDan)

114 I, for one, welcome our new French-Pawnee fitness-instructor overlords…

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 06, 2024 10:30 PM (v6JzV)

115 That clip of the wings coming off the air tanker up top is tragic. Was it overloaded?

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 06, 2024 10:30 PM (W4qJF)

116 I was musing about this earlier. Ever since Kamala became the nom, they've been trying to portray her as a moderate. I guess they figured out that wasn't going to fly, and since YOLO, they went the full Monty with Walz. It's a sign of their desperation, or perhaps more accurately, their resignation. They know they're going to augur in bigly.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 06, 2024 10:27 PM (xCA6C)

Just wait 'til Kamala has to answer questions off the cuff. That will be a disaster to behold. No 'moderate' will vote for her after that. Maybe not Trump but Kennedy, but not Kamala. She is a superb imbecile.

Posted by: RickZ at August 06, 2024 10:30 PM (gKDq2)

117 Have to keep working so my skills remained honed for the cabinet position slated for me!
Posted by: Piper at August 06, 2024 10:28 PM (p4NUW)

Good to see you do not intend to rest on your laurels!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at August 06, 2024 10:30 PM (hOUT3)

118 Fitness isn't a requirement for a Cabinet position.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 06, 2024 10:30 PM (jdHxK)

119 O.T.

So, it's been floated that Biden should have an added carving of his head at Mount Rushmore.

I'm all for this, but only if they go behind Washington's likeness, and put Biden's face about where George's butt would be,
leaving room for Giggles to be added, just in case.

Posted by: boynsea at August 06, 2024 10:31 PM (cx155)

120 118 Fitness isn't a requirement for a Cabinet position.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August

But it doesn’t hurt! On your feet!

Posted by: Piper at August 06, 2024 10:31 PM (p4NUW)

121 A book I'm reading explains that Truman nuked Japan as much to win the war, as he intended the bombings to be a demonstration of US power for the Soviets to see. Some in the administration thought Japan to be largely defeated, and the bombings unnecessary. But Truman meant to send a message that the US was THE superpower. Turns out our atomic monopoly lasted just 4 years.

Posted by: Don Black at August 06, 2024 10:31 PM (/7KEl)

122 Scary! Many prayers. Has anyone heard from COMarie?
Posted by: Piper

Latest was she didn't have to evac, but had stuff at the ready if that changed.

Posted by: Some Rat at August 06, 2024 10:31 PM (vJiyU)

123 We’re lucky the psycho Jap leaders didn’t destroy the world with their biological warfare department. They had bred millions of fleas to be infected and dropped by balloon on our mainland. That’s just one of their hideous plans.

Posted by: polynikes at August 06, 2024 10:32 PM (B1dzx)

124 Just wait 'til Kamala has to answer questions off the cuff. That will be a disaster to behold.

Which is why I don't expect that situation to occur.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 06, 2024 10:32 PM (xCA6C)

125 >>>That was part of the problem with Japanese leadership - they really didn't think there was anything the Glorious Japanese People could not do and their Glorious Japanese Imperial Army and Navy could conquer any foe. And anyone who spoke caution generally got slammed down quickly. It spoke of the incredible respect for Yamamoto and a couple of others that they continued their careers despite being wary of the giant.

The thing is, a lot of Japanese leaders seem to have known, and even admitted in private, that they couldn't possibly win a prolonged war against the U.S., or even succeed in ruling East Asia in the absence of such a war. But the warrior's honor code was so intense that they couldn't dare go on the record with those statements, and saw it as their duty to kill anyone who did.

Paul Johnson called it Shintoism run amok.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 06, 2024 10:32 PM (jGGMD)

126 Supposedly, after the Hiroshima bomb was dropped, the Japanese government leaders asked their scientific advisers if they could make an A-bomb of their own. It was the subsequent drop over Nagasaki that finally broke them.

I think it's pretty clear conventional methods would not have resulted in anything like a quick or bloodless victory.
Posted by: Dr. T at August 06, 2024 10:09 PM (jGGMD)

I am pretty sure the Japanese had a nuclear weapons program of their own, but they had made little progress.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 06, 2024 10:32 PM (HZLHo)

127 I am pretty sure the Japanese had a nuclear weapons program of their own, but they had made little progress.

It turns out that sushi is a poor substitute for plutonium.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 06, 2024 10:33 PM (xCA6C)

128 120 118 Fitness isn't a requirement for a Cabinet position.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August

But it doesn’t hurt! On your feet!
Posted by: Piper at August 06, 2024 10:31 PM (p4NUW)

-------------

Ja! Ja!

Posted by: H. Goering at August 06, 2024 10:33 PM (+o2mc)

129 10 Posted by: Ciampino

How can ya write a novel and STILL get a first!?

Posted by: Some Rat at August 06, 2024 10:02 PM (vJiyU)
----
I'm a pre-novelist, you know, like pre-owned, but mainly preempt.

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, non ho trovato la sveglia #13 at August 06, 2024 10:34 PM (qfLjt)

130 All you experienced pilots and civilian sailors don’t have the same problem of feeling trapped with island living.

If I ever decided to live on an ocean island I would first become proficient at either of those skills.

Posted by: polynikes at August 06, 2024 10:34 PM (B1dzx)

131 Paul Johnson called it Shintoism run amok.
Posted by: Dr. T at August 06, 2024 10:32 PM (jGGMD)

I’ve heard Shintoism described as compelling testimony as to the power of Bad Habits.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 06, 2024 10:34 PM (W4qJF)

132 Just wait 'til Kamala has to answer questions off the cuff. That will be a disaster to behold. No 'moderate' will vote for her after that. Maybe not Trump but Kennedy, but not Kamala. She is a superb imbecile.
Posted by: RickZ

Which is why they'll go full basement joe with her.
No questions means no answers. Give em props for having a plan.

Posted by: Some Rat at August 06, 2024 10:35 PM (vJiyU)

133 It turns out Tim Walz was selected due to a mishearing of his last name.

Coupmala that it was "Ballz" and she just had to grab some of that.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at August 06, 2024 10:35 PM (dZVON)

134 A socialist and a marxist walk into the Democrat ticket without going through the primary.

Stop me if you've hears this one before...

Posted by: Diogenes at August 06, 2024 10:35 PM (W/lyH)

135 Appreciated the firefighting aircraft links. Kinda of a big deal out here. 100 miles West of Dallas it's a transitional area, kinda half grassland and half desert scrub. FlightRadar24 is a good resource to see where the aircraft are working fires.

Posted by: These Fish Sticks Are Hard As Tits at August 06, 2024 10:35 PM (Somy5)

136 Grenville, WY. https://www.museumofflight.us

Behind a rest area, they have an outdoor display with a number of fire tanker aircraft. As the nice lady who collect our $10 fee said, "It's not usually a problem, but watch out for rattlesnakes."

Posted by: buddhaha at August 06, 2024 10:36 PM (nfJYr)

137 88 Meanwhile, in Ukraine:
1. "I Think That This Situation Absolutely Requires A Really Futile And Stupid Gesture Be Done On Somebody’s Part.” The Ukrainians sent a cross border raid into Russia near the northeast city of Sumy. What they thought they would accomplish is unclear. It may be a distraction for a counterattack elsewhere, or it might be an attempt to bolster sagging morale. A more sinister reason would be to scuttle any peace negotiations.
2. At the same time, the Ukrainians attempted a small amphibious assault on one of the islands at the mouth of the Dnieper River. None of the ten boats involved made it to shore.
3. The resistance to conscription continues to spread across Ukraine.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at August 06, 2024 10:24 PM (p6u4

The US will support Ukraine for as long as it takes!

Posted by: Lame Duck Joe at August 06, 2024 10:36 PM (5fDan)

138 Piper Tomahawk seems to have a very high rate of fatal spin accidents. I'm staying on the ground.

Posted by: Human Marmot at August 06, 2024 10:37 PM (CV8a5)

139 Piper Tomahawk seems to have a very high rate of fatal spin accidents. I'm staying on the ground.
Posted by: Human Marmot at August 06, 2024 10:37 PM (CV8a5)

Didn’t someone invent a plane parachute for it?

Posted by: polynikes at August 06, 2024 10:37 PM (B1dzx)

140 So Corey Bush did a Kamala and went down hard.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 06, 2024 10:38 PM (W4qJF)

141 A6 and A7s on the Coral Sea as well as the EWACS and CODS.
I thank them all for my poor hearing and tinnitus.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 06, 2024 10:38 PM (toj3d)

142 Posted by: Ciampino

How can ya write a novel and STILL get a first!?

Posted by: Some Rat at August 06, 2024 10:02 PM (vJiyU)
----
I'm a pre-novelist, you know, like pre-owned, but mainly preempt.
Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, non ho trovato la sveglia #13 at August 06, 2024 10:34 PM (qfLjt)
***

Sounds like a case of premature postalation.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 06, 2024 10:39 PM (W/lyH)

143 Just wait 'til Kamala has to answer questions off the cuff. That will be a disaster to behold. No 'moderate' will vote for her after that. Maybe not Trump but Kennedy, but not Kamala. She is a superb imbecile.
Posted by: RickZ

Which is why they'll go full basement joe with her.
No questions means no answers. Give em props for having a plan.
Posted by: Some Rat

They should hope that she doesn't run into the press. She might do what the head of London's Metropolitan Police did recently, when a reporter asked about two-tier policing. He took the microphone and dropped it on the ground. I'm still hoping they file theft and destruction of property charges against that "upstanding" officer.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at August 06, 2024 10:39 PM (VNX3d)

144 I was watching helicopters fighting the Park Fire on the Flight Radar app. I'm not exactly sure what the helicopters are doing, but they are making circles at the leading edge of the fire, near Mineral.

Posted by: Someone Else at August 06, 2024 10:39 PM (IrqeV)

145 I get to drive down I-5 by the Park Fire tomorrow.

Hopefully the wind will be blowing the other way.

Posted by: The Last Walz! at August 06, 2024 10:40 PM (ak5Jg)

146 “The US will support Ukraine for as long as it takes!
Posted by: Lame Duck Joe at August 06, 2024 10:36 PM “

Putin himself said that the US will fight until the death of the last Ukrainian.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 06, 2024 10:40 PM (W4qJF)

147 Great post. I love airplanes. Fire is a way of life here. Keep your eyes and ears open

Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 06, 2024 10:41 PM (WF/xn)

148 Turns out our atomic monopoly lasted just 4 years.
Posted by: Don Black at August 06, 2024 10:31 PM (/7KEl)

You're welcome.

Posted by: The Rosenbergs at August 06, 2024 10:41 PM (DaPio)

149 145 the wind is blowing the other way.

Posted by: 13times at August 06, 2024 10:41 PM (RFoC2)

150 They should hope that she doesn't run into the press. She might do what the head of London's Metropolitan Police did recently, when a reporter asked about two-tier policing. He took the microphone and dropped it on the ground. I'm still hoping they file theft and destruction of property charges against that "upstanding" officer.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at August 06, 2024 10:39 PM (VNX3d)

That sounds like sedition, guv'nor. I'll be seeing you at your court date, yeah?

Posted by: British Police Commissioner at August 06, 2024 10:42 PM (jGGMD)

151 132 Just wait 'til Kamala has to answer questions off the cuff. That will be a disaster to behold. No 'moderate' will vote for her after that. Maybe not Trump but Kennedy, but not Kamala. She is a superb imbecile.
Posted by: RickZ

Which is why they'll go full basement joe with her.
No questions means no answers. Give em props for having a plan.
Posted by: Some Rat at August 06, 2024 10:35 PM (vJiyU)

After watching what Stephanopoulos did to Joetato not long after the debate, Team Kamala will only let her be interviewed on camera by Oprah!, Joy Reid, or Tim Walz.

Posted by: Gref at August 06, 2024 10:42 PM (5fDan)

152 Sorry. The app is FlightRadar24.

It's always interesting to watch the Las Vegas PD helicopters.. Something questionable seems to always being happening in Las Vegas. Something that warrants the cops flying around it in helicopters.

Posted by: Someone Else at August 06, 2024 10:42 PM (IrqeV)

153 Roger Roger.. taxi Alpha Romeo and hold for 23 right.

"Roger Roger taxi Alpha Romero holding short 23 right and I have information Zulu.

Roger Roger...copy you have Zulu You are next after the Bonanza on final.

Roger Roger ...

"Tower... Roger Roger, Altimeter 28.5 , winds 13 north you are cleared for takeoff 23 right

Roger Roger..rolling

Posted by: Nightwatch at August 06, 2024 10:43 PM (TDvv2)

154 3. The resistance to conscription continues to spread across Ukraine.

The Ukrainians have had no problems drafting rural people, working-class people, and people who don't speak Ukrainian as their first language.

When they try to expand conscription beyond those groups, they run into real internal political problems.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 06, 2024 10:43 PM (ak5Jg)

155 They should hope that she doesn't run into the press. She might do what the head of London's Metropolitan Police did recently, when a reporter asked about two-tier policing. He took the microphone and dropped it on the ground. I'm still hoping they file theft and destruction of property charges against that "upstanding" officer.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf

Feel a little sorry for the Brits, just like our two tier system...not a damn thing will change.

Posted by: Some Rat at August 06, 2024 10:43 PM (vJiyU)

156 We’re lucky the psycho Jap leaders didn’t destroy the world with their biological warfare department. . . .
Posted by: polynikes

*scribbles notes furiously*
-- CDC, Dept. of Health and Human Services

Posted by: Tonypete at August 06, 2024 10:44 PM (WXNFJ)

157 148 Turns out our atomic monopoly lasted just 4 years.
Posted by: Don Black at August 06, 2024 10:31 PM (/7KEl)

You're welcome.

Posted by: The Rosenbergs at August 06, 2024 10:41 PM (DaPio)

Don't forget about me!

Posted by: Klaus Fuchs at August 06, 2024 10:44 PM (5fDan)

158 Turns out our atomic monopoly lasted just 4 years.

Posted by: Don Black at August 06, 2024 10:31 PM (/7KEl)

Stalin knew about it before it happened.
The Manhattan Project was full of spies.

Wonder why he thought he might be next when he knew we had a bomb that could level Berlin but didn't tell him about it.
Could have save 2 million Russians.

His "allies" lied to his face!!
Literally, right. to. his. face.

Posted by: Reforger at August 06, 2024 10:44 PM (xcIvR)

159 G’Night, All.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at August 06, 2024 10:45 PM (v6JzV)

160 So Corey Bush did a Kamala and went down hard.
Posted by: Tom Servo

I guess ugly and stupid is no basis for a campaign.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I got 99 problems but Vance ain't one at August 06, 2024 10:47 PM (L/fGl)

161 Turns out our atomic monopoly lasted just 4 years.
Posted by: Don Black at August 06, 2024 10:31 PM (/7KEl)

You're welcome.

Posted by: The Rosenbergs at August 06, 2024 10:41 PM (DaPio)

Don't forget about me!
Posted by: Klaus Fuchs

And me!

Posted by: Oppenheimer's side piece at August 06, 2024 10:47 PM (vJiyU)

162 G'nite Bulgar.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 06, 2024 10:47 PM (W/lyH)

163 Navy guys, you know, lots of time at sea and no women or beer.
__________
I don't know about the beer. Sure, that was the rule. But my father flew PBYs from Australia in WWII, which is somewhat similar in mission. And he told me they did bring beer along. (He also said that when the Saratoga came through, they took all the alcohol out of their torpedoes to get her crew completely pie-eyed.)

Posted by: Eeyore at August 06, 2024 10:48 PM (1bNHn)

164 Meanwhile, in Ukraine:
...
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy

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Hey, was it you who said "muh Fulda Gap" in comments the other day? I liked that.

Russia is not the USSR, and NATO are not the good guys.

Posted by: Tom Perry at August 06, 2024 10:49 PM (MX0bI)

165 From FlightRadar24, it looks like a lot of different services are pressed (or volunteer) to fly in to flight the fires.

I just looked on the app and there are more airplanes today. I pray they succeed soon. The arsonist deserves a warm spot in hell.

Posted by: Someone Else at August 06, 2024 10:49 PM (IrqeV)

166 If the Imperial Japanese govt had confined itself to seizing Dutch & British territory in the Far East (and not attacking Pearl), Japan likely could've ameliorated its oil shortage crisis AND avoided was with the U.S.-- at least for awhile.

The Roosevelt administration couldn't, in 1941, have gotten any political support to fight a war major over some overrun European colonial outposts.

Even historically literate history students today have a blind spot about what a yuuge political BEAST was America First and one Charles Lindbergh, imo.

It disappeared so fast & so completely, it's easy to forget how formidable America First once was or that it even existed.

Posted by: mnw at August 06, 2024 10:50 PM (NLIak)

167 That is why the bombs were so necessary - it wouldn't have just been millions of American and Allied soldiers dying to conquer the islands, but every last Japanese man, woman, and child in the islands.
Posted by: GWB at August 06, 2024 10:27 PM (AWrpC)

In an alternate timeline, atomic bombs weren't invented and the American and Russian invasions were repulsed with a huge loss of life. So the Americans and Russians blockaded the islands and starved the Japanese while bombing them with napalm and nerve gas. Once a year, the USA and USSR conduct a joint symbolic air raid, and drop a few bombs on the lifeless rocks that were once Japan.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at August 06, 2024 10:50 PM (p6u48)

168 Roger Roger ...

"Tower... Roger Roger, Altimeter 28.5 , winds 13 north you are cleared for takeoff 23 right

Roger Roger..rolling
Posted by: Nightwatch at August 06, 2024 10:43 PM (TDvv2)
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There was a guy who owned a Beech Baron, a twin engine aircraft, that he flew out of Portland. He had it painted all red. The tower guys loved it.
"Cessna 76 Lima, you're number two behind the Red Baron."

Posted by: Diogenes at August 06, 2024 10:51 PM (W/lyH)

169 Very cool ONT, Roger Ball. Friend has one that looks like an AT 802. Fun. Good evening, Horde.

Posted by: scampydog at August 06, 2024 10:51 PM (TyyWs)

170 But my father flew PBYs from Australia in WWII,

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The people who brought you WWII bring down a brace of PBYs.

https://is.gd/2bqdJH

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I got 99 problems but Vance ain't one at August 06, 2024 10:52 PM (L/fGl)

171 This is my 32nd year in fire Air-Attack and I also flew old #33 after it retired. They kept the Delta rear First Class 'Salon' in it even when it was a tanker. Sit on the big semi-circular couch with the big ash trays and shoot the shit when you weren't busy. Neat old plane.

Posted by: DBCooper at August 06, 2024 10:53 PM (y1Mvi)

172 Posted by: Mister Ghost(TGPs7)

Please use a URL shortening app. You blew the margins in the last thread.

Posted by: CharlieGray'sDildo at August 06, 2024 10:54 PM (d9fT1)

173 From FlightRadar24, it looks like a lot of different services are pressed (or volunteer) to fly in to flight the fires.

I just looked on the app and there are more airplanes today. I pray they succeed soon. The arsonist deserves a warm spot in hell.
Posted by: Someone Else

I don't know. Some time placating Big Penguin in the Antarctic might be suitable punishment.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at August 06, 2024 10:54 PM (VNX3d)

174 18 How can ya write a novel and STILL get a first!?

Posted by: Some Rat at August 06, 2024 10:02 PM (vJiyU)

Cut and paste!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 06, 2024 10:07 PM (d9fT1)
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That cut 'n paste is better known as the Harvard Trans-cription Method. It is actually a copy 'n paste process, no scissors involved and forms part of the greater Ivy CNP Xcribe package.

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, la Xerox e sempre pronta #14 at August 06, 2024 10:54 PM (qfLjt)

175 Even historically literate history students today have a blind spot about what a yuuge political BEAST was America First and one Charles Lindbergh, imo.

It disappeared so fast & so completely, it's easy to forget how formidable America First once was or that it even existed.

Posted by: mnw at August 06, 2024 10:50 PM (NLIak)

It's one reason why we never joined The League of Nations. America had a sense of purpose back then, and that purpose was not to give up our independent sovereignty, that is to say, doing what was good for the US and that meant what was good for business.

We most definitely have lost our way.

Posted by: RickZ at August 06, 2024 10:55 PM (gKDq2)

176 Please use a URL shortening app. You blew the margins in the last thread.
Posted by: CharlieGray'sDildo at August 06, 2024 10:54 PM (d9fT1)

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Thank you for your diligence, CGD. The long links drive me crazy.

Posted by: Jordan61 at August 06, 2024 10:55 PM (16NmB)

177
That is why the bombs were so necessary - it wouldn't have just been millions of American and Allied soldiers dying to conquer the islands, but every last Japanese man, woman, and child in the islands.
Posted by: GWB at August 06, 2024 10:27 PM (AWrpC)

___________

And kajillions of civilians and POWs in Japanese occupied territory. We actually clawed back remarkably little territory.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 06, 2024 10:56 PM (1Nxff)

178 Some of my thoughts on the moronic polls that are dropping.

YMMV

https://bit.ly/4fBbmFF

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 06, 2024 10:56 PM (5p7BC)

179 The American Left was strongly isolationist, too, until the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact unexpectedly "expired".

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 06, 2024 10:57 PM (HZLHo)

180 Don't forget about me!
Posted by: Klaus Fuchs

And me!
Posted by: Oppenheimer's side piece

She was da Bomb!!

Posted by: Miklos thinking the song "enola gay" at August 06, 2024 10:57 PM (lSyD7)

181 167 That is why the bombs were so necessary - it wouldn't have just been millions of American and Allied soldiers dying to conquer the islands, but every last Japanese man, woman, and child in the islands.
Posted by: GWB at August 06, 2024 10:27 PM (AWrpC)

In an alternate timeline, atomic bombs weren't invented and the American and Russian invasions were repulsed with a huge loss of life. So the Americans and Russians blockaded the islands and starved the Japanese while bombing them with napalm and nerve gas. Once a year, the USA and USSR conduct a joint symbolic air raid, and drop a few bombs on the lifeless rocks that were once Japan.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at August 06, 2024 10:50 PM (p6u4

I don't think Stalin would have contributed squat to blockading or bombing the Home Islands. He only wanted the Japanese Army out of Manchuria and off the back of Mao's forces.

Posted by: Klaus Fuchs at August 06, 2024 10:57 PM (5fDan)

182 Cut and paste!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 06, 2024 10:07 PM (d9fT1)
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That cut 'n paste is better known as the Harvard Trans-cription Method. It is actually a copy 'n paste process, no scissors involved and forms part of the greater Ivy CNP Xcribe package.
Posted by: Ciampino

You folks with your technology. From now on it's "a" and a fist full of methamphetamine.

Posted by: Some Rat at August 06, 2024 10:57 PM (vJiyU)

183 Heard a couple of minutes of NPR this afternoon. As soon as they announced that Walz was Kamala's pick for VP, they announced that they had a podcast explaining what he brought to the ticket.

Lotsa manufactured enthusiasm out there in media land.

Posted by: KT at August 06, 2024 10:57 PM (xekrU)

184 Awesome ONT!

Posted by: Diogenes at August 06, 2024 10:58 PM (W/lyH)

185 Greybull Wy, not Grenville . Fsckin autocorrect.

Posted by: buddhaha at August 06, 2024 10:59 PM (nfJYr)

186 165 > they’re making a stand at Mineral where Hwys 89 and 36 commingle. 89 runs along the Sierra Crest.

Posted by: 13times at August 06, 2024 10:59 PM (YscdA)

187 happy cheerful merry buoyant sunny joyful jolly blithe upbeat vivacious bright exuberant joyous glad jovial bubbly mirthful chirpy effervescent gleeful

Posted by: Miklos is actually gay at August 06, 2024 10:59 PM (lSyD7)

188 170

As a child, I once flew with my grandmother on a PBY that did the run from Long Beach to Catalina...MAN it was loud!!

But the view out of the Blister window was epic...especially during the landing. I was afraid the ocean water was going to bust right in.

Posted by: Nightwatch at August 06, 2024 11:00 PM (TDvv2)

189 Greybull Wy, not Grenville . Fsckin autocorrect.
Posted by: buddhaha at August 06, 2024 10:59 PM (nfJYr)

Was that Betty Grable's home town?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 06, 2024 11:00 PM (HZLHo)

190 33 Never flew on a DC-7, but I flew on a DC-6 NY to Oslo Norway in 1961. Idlewild to Gander to Iceland to Oslo.Next time we went to Norway was on a 747 in 1972. Non-stop of course, and quite a different experience.

Posted by: Nordic Interiors at August 06, 2024 10:11 PM (CV8a5)

Flew on a DC-6 back in 1954. Not sure of the stops or what airport we left from. Ended up in Frankfort. We did stop in Gander. Had engine trouble. We slept in cots in a hanger for a while.

Posted by: javems at August 06, 2024 11:00 PM (8I4hW)

191 Oli London
@OliLondonTV
Algeria blames ‘ZIONISTS’ for the backlash against Imane Khelif, who is biologically male, competing in women’s boxing.
The head of the Algerian Olympic and Sports Committee has said the ‘Zionist Lobby’ is responsible for backlash.
“The Zionist lobby, they want to break the mind of Imane. But now Imane is very strong. They don’t want that a Muslim girl or Arabic girl goes higher in the level of the rank of female boxing.”
Khelif is set to compete in the semi-finals tonight against Thai female boxer Janjaem Suwannapheng.

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Damn Zionist Lobby!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I got 99 problems but Vance ain't one at August 06, 2024 11:00 PM (L/fGl)

192 You have to respect the Japanese, they are all in whether it is war or surrendering, the do things right in japan

Posted by: N at August 06, 2024 11:00 PM (8XibL)

193 Some of my thoughts on the moronic polls that are dropping.

YMMV

https://bit.ly/4fBbmFF
Posted by: Dave in Fla
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Recent polls are head tilters.

Posted by: scampydog at August 06, 2024 11:00 PM (TyyWs)

194 off commie Los Alamos spy sock

Posted by: Gref at August 06, 2024 11:01 PM (5fDan)

195 If the Imperial Japanese govt had confined itself to seizing Dutch & British territory in the Far East (and not attacking Pearl), Japan likely could've ameliorated its oil shortage crisis AND avoided was with the U.S.-- at least for awhile.

The Roosevelt administration couldn't, in 1941, have gotten any political support to fight a war major over some overrun European colonial outposts.

Even historically literate history students today have a blind spot about what a yuuge political BEAST was America First and one Charles Lindbergh, imo.

It disappeared so fast & so completely, it's easy to forget how formidable America First once was or that it even existed.

Posted by: mnw at August 06, 2024 10:50 PM (NLIak)

America First aside, FDR had no interest in going to war to prop up those colonial empires.

Repeatedly during the war, he made it clear to Churchill he expected the British to let their empire go afterwards.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 06, 2024 11:02 PM (jGGMD)

196 I have read that the error that the Japanese made was that they sank our boats, historically it is unwise to sink outer boats

Posted by: N at August 06, 2024 11:03 PM (8XibL)

197 Wow,

Gonna have to call it for tonight.

All the best to my horde.

Posted by: Nightwatch at August 06, 2024 11:04 PM (TDvv2)

198 Our boats

Posted by: N at August 06, 2024 11:04 PM (8XibL)

199 Yeah, if you want to see the future of wind farms for electricity, just drive through Tehachapi Pass between Bakersfield and going towards Barstow.

HUNDREDS of derelict windmills... just sitting there with a few of them working. Why? Fed subsidies pay them to put them in, not maintain them. So once the oil needed to lubricate them wears out... they freeze up... and it takes mucho dinero to repair.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 06, 2024 11:05 PM (xaFKb)

200 15 It doesn't seem like an airplane could carry much fire extinguishing chemicals. Those fires cover a huge area.

As I understand it, they do not try to extinguish the fire, but retard its spread so that other slower means (bulldozers, crews) have the time to clear fire lines (zones free of burnable vegetation) that will ultimately stop its spread. Then within those zone boundaries, the fire is allowed to burn itself out.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at August 06, 2024 11:05 PM (gfztU)

201 How is the healing going, AOP?

Posted by: scampydog at August 06, 2024 11:05 PM (TyyWs)

202 Several years back, I read a book about the battle for Okinawa. As close as I could tell, the Japanese were ready to fight until the last Okanawin.

On the home islands, the Japanese were planning to hold out until the death of the last Japanese. Housewives,school kidd, you name it, they would have fought because the emperor expected them to.

My father was swanning around the south Pacific, stationed on a resupply boat. Ever since I was old enough to understand, i thought the old boy was safe. Then, i came to understand his ship might have been supplying an important ship or in with a group of other ships the Japanese thought a niffty target. And he hadn't even met my mother yet!

Posted by: Livia Drusilla at August 06, 2024 11:05 PM (NcHb9)

203 Russia is not the USSR, and NATO are not the good guys.
Posted by: Tom Perry at August 06, 2024 10:49 PM (MX0bI)

Russia aren’t the good guys. News flash.
Drill oil, take out Russia’s CoG.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 06, 2024 11:06 PM (PsjFb)

204 How is the healing going, AOP?
Posted by: scampydog at August 06, 2024 11:05 PM (TyyWs)

Pretty well, no complaints. Will have a follow-up vision with the surgeon a week from tomorrow.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 06, 2024 11:07 PM (HZLHo)

205 America First aside, FDR had no interest in going to war to prop up those colonial empires.

Repeatedly during the war, he made it clear to Churchill he expected the British to let their empire go afterwards.
Posted by: Dr. T

Ahem

Roosevelt wanted to send an Expeditionary Force to China in early 1941. In short order, war with Japan. Lack of resources to actually do it.

Roosevelt wanted American entry in an evolving two-continent, soon to be World War.

Posted by: Miklos is also historian at August 06, 2024 11:08 PM (lSyD7)

206 200

You should have seen the "MARS MARTIN" back in the day with her 6000 Gal dump of water or Phos-Check.

Could kill a roaring front on 1 pass...yes indeed.

Posted by: Nightwatch at August 06, 2024 11:08 PM (TDvv2)

207 Cori Bush's challenger has officially been declared the winner.

Now we wait to see if she magically discovers a car trunk full of ballots.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 06, 2024 11:09 PM (jGGMD)

208 The A-6 seems a good airplane. A cousin was the navigator/bombadier on one in Vietnam. Shot down though. Rough ejection. Lots of time in Hanoi. Lousy room service at the Hilton.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 06, 2024 11:09 PM (W/lyH)

209

John LeFevre
@JohnLeFevre
Tim Walz is getting destroyed on X, with receipts.

He’s a terrifying, fanatical, un-American candidate, with an abysmal track record.

But the problem is, people who read the New York Times and only watch ABC News or CNN never hear or see any of this… and neither does their circle of friends.

And they all vote.

Posted by: Mister Ghost at August 06, 2024 11:09 PM (TGPs7)

210 They are fair dropping retards to stop the fire from going elsewhere, not extinguish

Posted by: N at August 06, 2024 11:09 PM (8XibL)

211 Repeatedly during the war, he made it clear to Churchill he expected the British to let their empire go afterwards.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 06, 2024 11:02 PM (jGGMD)

To bad we weren't making the same deal with The French.

Posted by: Reforger at August 06, 2024 11:10 PM (xcIvR)

212 My father was swanning around the south Pacific, stationed on a resupply boat. Ever since I was old enough to understand, i thought the old boy was safe. Then, i came to understand his ship might have been supplying an important ship or in with a group of other ships the Japanese thought a niffty target. And he hadn't even met my mother yet!
Posted by: Livia Drusilla at August 06, 2024 11:05 PM (NcHb9)

My Dad also served on a supply ship in the Pacific. He had met my Mom, though, with one kid. But there's a better than decent chance I might not be here if the invasion of the Home Islands had occurred. As stated above, it would have been a bloodbath (in the real and not metaphorical sense). Literally tens of millions of people on both sides.

The atomic bombings saved so many lives.

Posted by: RickZ at August 06, 2024 11:10 PM (gKDq2)

213 hem

Roosevelt wanted to send an Expeditionary Force to China in early 1941. In short order, war with Japan. Lack of resources to actually do it.

Roosevelt wanted American entry in an evolving two-continent, soon to be World War.
Posted by: Miklos is also historian at August 06, 2024 11:08 PM (lSyD7)

Uh...yeah.

FDR was famously pro-China. He repeatedly tried to make Chiang Kai-Shek a seat alongside himself, Churchill, and Stalin, until Churchill and Stalin made it clear what a joke that was.

But he wasn't doing it for European colonialism.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 06, 2024 11:11 PM (jGGMD)

214 They are fair dropping retards to stop the fire from going elsewhere, not extinguish
Posted by: N at August 06, 2024 11:09 PM (8XibL)

Dropping retards? Sounds like Democrats.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 06, 2024 11:11 PM (HZLHo)

215 They are fair dropping retards to stop the fire from going elsewhere, not extinguish
Posted by: N

Okay boys and girls, the first rule of our Special Olympics is for all participants to avoid Air Attack bases at all costs.

Posted by: Tonypete at August 06, 2024 11:11 PM (WXNFJ)

216 Somebody has to do a modern mars flying boat for the civilians, how fun would it be to fly that beast to some exotic site , park it in the water

Posted by: N at August 06, 2024 11:11 PM (8XibL)

217 “The US will support Ukraine for as long as it takes!
Posted by: Lame Duck Joe at August 06, 2024 10:36 PM “

Putin himself said that the US will fight until the death of the last Ukrainian.
Posted by: Tom Servo

Our government at present is full of some really sick F*cks.

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at August 06, 2024 11:12 PM (tjZg/)

218
Dropping retards? Sounds like Democrats.
Posted by: Alb

Anything for the party

Posted by: N at August 06, 2024 11:12 PM (8XibL)

219 I am remiss. Happy Hiroshima Day, everybody!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 06, 2024 11:12 PM (HZLHo)

220 Hey, was it you who said "muh Fulda Gap" in comments the other day? I liked that.

Russia is not the USSR, and NATO are not the good guys.
Posted by: Tom Perry at August 06, 2024 10:49 PM (MX0bI)

Alas, it was not I.
If nothing else, the Ukraine Project has revealed that the Global American Empire is fading quickly, while its Management Class still thinks it's still 1992.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at August 06, 2024 11:13 PM (p6u48)

221 Pretty well, no complaints. Will have a follow-up vision with the surgeon a week from tomorrow.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Uneventful is good.

Posted by: scampydog at August 06, 2024 11:13 PM (TyyWs)

222 My father was swanning around the south Pacific, stationed on a resupply boat. Ever since I was old enough to understand, i thought the old boy was safe. Then, i came to understand his ship might have been supplying an important ship or in with a group of other ships the Japanese thought a niffty target. And he hadn't even met my mother yet!
Posted by: Livia Drusilla at August 06, 2024 11:05 PM (NcHb9)

Yeah, my Dad was an 18 year old Signalman riding on Merchant ship Convoys in the Pacific. They had a few Navy folks on Merchants to handle Radio and Signal Traffic. He saw a couple of Kamikazes, although none ever pointed at his ship.

Needless to say... Like Dr Strangelove... learn to love the bomb.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 06, 2024 11:13 PM (xaFKb)

223 First photo of the set of six planes dropping fire retardant is a PB4Y-2 Privateer.

Not to be confused with the PB4Y-1 which was a navalized B-24 Liberator with the superchargers removed.

Biggest and obvious difference is the large single tail versus the twin rudders of the B-24. Though there were a slew of other changes.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 06, 2024 11:14 PM (AylSc)

224 FDR was famously pro-China. He repeatedly tried to make Chiang Kai-Shek a seat alongside himself, Churchill, and Stalin, until Churchill and Stalin made it clear what a joke that was.

But he wasn't doing it for European colonialism.
Posted by: Dr. T at August 06, 2024 11:11 PM (jGGMD)

Yeah Mao was much better and it turned out so well. I respect Churchill for a lot of things but he gave Stalin everything he wanted.

Posted by: polynikes at August 06, 2024 11:14 PM (B1dzx)

225 The atomic bombings saved so many lives.
Posted by: RickZ at August 06, 2024 11:10 PM (gKDq2)

Like some of you guys have mentioned, mine too. Dad was on subs.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 06, 2024 11:15 PM (W/lyH)

226 If the Imperial Japanese govt had confined itself to seizing Dutch & British territory in the Far East (and not attacking Pearl), Japan likely could've ameliorated its oil shortage crisis AND avoided was with the U.S.-- at least for awhile.

The Roosevelt administration couldn't, in 1941, have gotten any political support to fight a war major over some overrun European colonial outposts.

Even historically literate history students today have a blind spot about what a yuuge political BEAST was America First and one Charles Lindbergh, imo.

It disappeared so fast & so completely, it's easy to forget how formidable America First once was or that it even existed.

Posted by: mnw at August 06, 2024 10:50 PM (NLIak)

The Imperial Japanese Army and Navy were not going to leave the Philippines in US possession. They calculated that as soon as the Japanese moved on the Briitish and Dutch possessions, FDR would built-up air and surface ship and submarine forces in the Philippines, creating a huge threat to Japanese shipments from the captured territories. The Japanese knew the Luzon Strait was a potential crippling shipping bottleneck for them. As it became later in the actual war.

Posted by: Gref at August 06, 2024 11:15 PM (5fDan)

227 Romeo13 at August 06, 2024 11:05 PM

So right about wind turbines in the Tehachapi pass. And they certainly have wind there.

Posted by: KT at August 06, 2024 11:15 PM (xekrU)

228 Here is what Harris and Walz straight up said tonight. Damn near quotes.

firearm registration checks
gun confiscation laws
banning commonly owned firearms

Posted by: Dave in Fla at August 06, 2024 11:15 PM (5p7BC)

229 216

Unfortunately the MARS-MARTIN is now on her final legs and will soon be flown for the last time to a museum in BC.

Her glorious fire-fighting days are over.

Posted by: Nightwatch at August 06, 2024 11:15 PM (TDvv2)

230 Greybull Wy, not Grenville . Fsckin autocorrect.
Posted by: buddhaha at August 06, 2024 10:59 PM (nfJYr)

Was that Betty Grable's home town?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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No, but on the other end of the movie star spectrum it is the birthplace of Wilford Brimley.

Posted by: buddhaha at August 06, 2024 11:15 PM (nfJYr)

231 The Roosevelt administration couldn't, in 1941, have gotten any political support to fight a war major over some overrun European colonial outposts.

Even historically literate history students today have a blind spot about what a yuuge political BEAST was America First and one Charles Lindbergh, imo.

It disappeared so fast & so completely, it's easy to forget how formidable America First once was or that it even existed.

Posted by: mnw
My parents were coming of age in 1941 (Dad was 17, Mom was 20), and they recalled that most people knew "war was coming". They all knew it.
The US Government imposed an oil embargo in October 1941, to starve the Imperial Navy of fuel oil. At the beginning of the embargo (the US was a major oil exporter at the time), it was estimated that the Imperial Navy had about a six - week reserve of fuel. They all knew SOMETHING was going to happen, just didn't know where.

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at August 06, 2024 11:16 PM (tjZg/)

232 Good evening morons and thank you Roger Ball

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 06, 2024 11:16 PM (JvZF+)

233 Russia is not the USSR, and NATO are not the good guys.
Posted by: Tom Perry at August 06, 2024 10:49 PM (MX0bI)

Russia aren’t the good guys. News flash.
Drill oil, take out Russia’s CoG.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at August 06, 2024 11:06 PM (PsjFb)

Russia intervened to protect civilians who were going to be slaughtered by an illegitimate government that claimed to rule them.

That used to be a good thing when we did it (regardless of whether other purposes were served in the process).

Posted by: Methos at August 06, 2024 11:16 PM (Dnobf)

234 142 Posted by: Ciampino

How can ya write a novel and STILL get a first!?

Posted by: Some Rat at August 06, 2024 10:02 PM (vJiyU)
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I'm a pre-novelist, you know, like pre-owned, but mainly preempt.
Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, non ho trovato la sveglia #13 at August 06, 2024 10:34 PM (qfLjt)
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Sounds like a case of premature postalation.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 06, 2024 10:39 PM (W/lyH)
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Premature Postalation, PP, PeePee, hmm, sounds about right. But what if the Pee is silent as in the case of the psychiatrist at the urinal?

Posted by: Punchline Only

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, la Xerox e sempre pronta #15 at August 06, 2024 11:16 PM (qfLjt)

235 There's an interesting flying boat that the Japanese have. Socom was discussing building a flying boat, maybe a c-130 something or other but that has been shelved.

Posted by: N at August 06, 2024 11:17 PM (8XibL)

236 Yeah Mao was much better and it turned out so well. I respect Churchill for a lot of things but he gave Stalin everything he wanted.
Posted by: polynikes

I was always under the impression it was fdr who was the "giver".

Posted by: Some Rat at August 06, 2024 11:17 PM (vJiyU)

237 Introducing the Mentally retarded

https://t.ly/28_hs

Posted by: Tonypete at August 06, 2024 11:17 PM (WXNFJ)

238 FDR was famously pro-China. He repeatedly tried to make Chiang Kai-Shek a seat alongside himself, Churchill, and Stalin, until Churchill and Stalin made it clear what a joke that was.

But he wasn't doing it for European colonialism.
Posted by: Dr. T

Of course not.

The Roosevelt-Delano family (of whom Eleanor was a cousin) were rich then poor. The family fortunes were restored on the China opium trade.

Posted by: Miklos is historian too at August 06, 2024 11:19 PM (lSyD7)

239 Russia intervened to protect civilians who were going to be slaughtered by an illegitimate government that claimed to rule them.

That used to be a good thing when we did it (regardless of whether other purposes were served in the process).
Posted by: Methos at August 06, 2024 11:16 PM (Dnobf)

Yeah, I laugh at the Olympics for kicking Russia out because they invaded Ukraine...

Uh... just how many countries have we invaded in the last 20 years... most illegally under the UN Charter?

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 06, 2024 11:19 PM (xaFKb)

240 Neither Ukraine or Russia are the good guys but if I just had to choose a side only knowing who were supporting each side and their stated reasons I’d definitely have to side with Russia. Just Soros alone being one of the first advocates for Ukraine put the stink on them.

Posted by: polynikes at August 06, 2024 11:19 PM (B1dzx)

241 Roger is on the Ball tonight!

What? ..... somebody's got to go there! .....I don't recognize you lot any longer.

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, la Xerox e sempre pronta #16 at August 06, 2024 11:19 PM (qfLjt)

242 The Philippines had to be taken or what happened after the Battle of Leyte Gulf would have occurred in 1941 rendering the Japanese conquest of the Dutch East Indies pretty irrelevant as American bombers and warships intercepted the Japanese merchant ships.

Even today the Philippines are strategically important for the same reason, they sit athwart the sea lanes that bring oil to Japan, Republic of China, People's Republic of China, and South Korea.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 06, 2024 11:19 PM (AylSc)

243 It is not so much that mao and the chinese are probs, they are but whether it is commies or capitalists, the chinese believe they are the rightful rulers of the world

Posted by: N at August 06, 2024 11:20 PM (8XibL)

244 Like some of you guys have mentioned, mine too. Dad was on subs.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 06, 2024 11:15 PM (W/lyH)

Tough duty. Did he serve throughout the war or only after we figured out what was wrong with the Mark 14 torpedoes? Those early sub patrols were brutal.

My favorite sub story from the Pacific was the USS Barb. She was the only sub in the war to 'sink' a train! Even flew a hand-made train pennant coming back into port.

Posted by: RickZ at August 06, 2024 11:21 PM (gKDq2)

245 So it is boomers then, fuckin boomers

Posted by: N at August 06, 2024 11:22 PM (8XibL)

246 My father in law was just finishing up flight training in Pensacola when the war ended. So instead of being on a carrier flying dangerous missions, he got discharged and went to Syracuse University on the GI Bill. He was always pro-bomb.

Posted by: Never Flew Again, Though at August 06, 2024 11:22 PM (CV8a5)

247 Even today the Philippines are strategically important for the same reason, they sit athwart the sea lanes that bring oil to Japan, Republic of China, People's Republic of China, and South Korea.
Posted by: Anna Puma

"athwart"

Posted by: Miklos likes this word at August 06, 2024 11:23 PM (lSyD7)

248 Russia intervened to protect civilians who were going to be slaughtered by an illegitimate government that claimed to rule them.
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Posted by: Methos at August 06, 2024 11:16 PM (Dnobf)
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By...slaughtering civilians.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 06, 2024 11:24 PM (JvZF+)

249 "athwart"
Posted by: Miklos likes this word at August 06, 2024 11:23 PM (lSyD7)

Athwarts are no laughing matter!

Posted by: Pete Buttigeig at August 06, 2024 11:25 PM (HZLHo)

250 So it is boomers then, fuckin boomers
Posted by: N at August 06, 2024 11:22 PM (8XibL)

I must be old. I see boomers, and think of nuclear missile submarines, not baby boomers.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at August 06, 2024 11:25 PM (VNX3d)

251 Yeah Mao was much better and it turned out so well. I respect Churchill for a lot of things but he gave Stalin everything he wanted.
Posted by: polynikes at August 06, 2024 11:14 PM (B1dzx)

On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, it's easy to forget just how desperate Britain had become by 1941, and how desperate Churchill was thereafter to keep Stalin in the war as a powerful land-focused ally.

But on the third hand, yes.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 06, 2024 11:25 PM (jGGMD)

252 I was always under the impression it was fdr who was the "giver".
Posted by: Some Rat at August 06, 2024 11:17 PM (vJiyU)

I was talking about the Percentages Agreement he did behind our backs.

Posted by: polynikes at August 06, 2024 11:25 PM (B1dzx)

253 Tough duty. Did he serve throughout the war or only after we figured out what was wrong with the Mark 14 torpedoes? Those early sub patrols were brutal.

My favorite sub story from the Pacific was the USS Barb. She was the only sub in the war to 'sink' a train! Even flew a hand-made train pennant coming back into port.
Posted by: RickZ at August 06, 2024 11:21 PM (gKDq2)
***

All thru the war. He, mom, and eldest brother (who was a toddler at the time) were at Pearl Harbor. Dad was on the Catchalot at the time, chief of the forward torpedo room. And yeah, I grew up hearing his stories about the
torp problem.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 06, 2024 11:25 PM (W/lyH)

254 Just Soros alone being one of the first advocates for Ukraine put the stink on them.
Posted by: polynikes

Soros was the first financial supporter of Orban in Hungary.

Strange but true

Now what?

Posted by: and Miklos... was There at August 06, 2024 11:25 PM (lSyD7)

255 The Russian leadership past and present were, and are, irredentists. And Obama’s crew/uniparty simply wanted to pick a fight for Donbas resources. Enter John F’n McCain.

Posted by: 13times at August 06, 2024 11:26 PM (AoBS7)

256 Good stuff Mr. Ball. My uncle fought in the campaign to retake the Philippines under MacArthur. He was scheduled to be in the first phase of the Japan invasion. He was stationed in Japan for several years after the war. He passed away at 96 and never fully recovered from that war.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * unburdened at August 06, 2024 11:26 PM (5W5fc)

257 When I was younger, and not married, I dated a girl that had many virtues but my favorite was her ability to sit athwart

Posted by: N at August 06, 2024 11:26 PM (8XibL)

258 Russia intervened to protect civilians who were going to be slaughtered by an illegitimate government that claimed to rule them.
...
Posted by: Methos
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By...slaughtering civilians.
Posted by: San Franpsycho

This is supposed to be a 'appy occasion. Let's not bicker about 'oo killed 'oo…

Posted by: Tonypete at August 06, 2024 11:26 PM (WXNFJ)

259 126 Supposedly, after the Hiroshima bomb was dropped, the Japanese government leaders asked their scientific advisers if they could make an A-bomb of their own. It was the subsequent drop over Nagasaki that finally broke them.

I think it's pretty clear conventional methods would not have resulted in anything like a quick or bloodless victory.
Posted by: Dr. T at August 06, 2024 10:09 PM (jGGMD)

I am pretty sure the Japanese had a nuclear weapons program of their own, but they had made little progress.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 06, 2024 10:32 PM (HZLHo)

That's what I've read, but it was tiny, a couple dozen people in a university lab, with very little funding.

The big problem the Japs, and Germans, who also had a small nuclear research program, would have had, assuming they had figured out a working design, was production of fissile material. Imagine trying to build and operate the Oak Ridge and Hanford production plants while being bombed around the clock.

Posted by: BillyD at August 06, 2024 11:26 PM (Yt3ED)

260 I must be old. I see boomers, and think of nuclear missile submarines, not baby boomers.
Posted by: H

It is a smart military blog, sometimes

Posted by: N at August 06, 2024 11:27 PM (8XibL)

261 Alas, it was not I.
If nothing else, the Ukraine Project has revealed that the Global American Empire is fading quickly, while its Management Class still thinks it's still 1992.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy

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Well, I can see we Putin apologists have some fellow-travelers here. Say what you will about Putin; Ukraine's "democracy" is an op, and Zelensky is a fucking tool.

Posted by: Tom Perry at August 06, 2024 11:27 PM (MX0bI)

262 Posted by: and Miklos... was There at August 06, 2024 11:25 PM (lSyD7

Orban has the stink on him too. He’s just done some things that have made people forget.

Posted by: polynikes at August 06, 2024 11:28 PM (B1dzx)

263 Soros was the first financial supporter of Orban in Hungary.

Strange but true

Now what?
Posted by: and Miklos... was There at August 06, 2024 11:25 PM (lSyD7)

Find a Hapsburg?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at August 06, 2024 11:29 PM (DaPio)

264 The big problem the Japs, and Germans, who also had a small nuclear research program, would have had, assuming they had figured out a working design, was production of fissile material. Imagine trying to build and operate the Oak Ridge and Hanford production plants while being bombed around the clock.
Posted by: BillyD at August 06, 2024 11:26 PM (Yt3ED)

I've seen it estimated that under normal conditions, a functioning nuclear bomb would not have been produced until the 1960s, because of all the kinks that had to be worked out. Only because the U.S. had the brains and the resources to invent whole new levels of scientific engineering, practically out of whole cloth, was it completed so fast.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 06, 2024 11:31 PM (jGGMD)

265 One of my Professors, Arthur L. Welden, longtime Chairman of the Department of Biology at Tulane, was a young soldier on the way to invade Japan.

When they were told what had happened, his first thought was "Better 50,000 Japanese than one Arthur L. Welden"

Posted by: Miklos takes notes at August 06, 2024 11:32 PM (lSyD7)

266 241

Roger can Only be on the Ball if he is sitting in his fav. suite, on the "Slope" pushing power and the LSO giving him good pickle to call the ball...(#3 wire)

Thank you Roger for the ONT!

Posted by: Nightwatch at August 06, 2024 11:32 PM (TDvv2)

267 226

What you typed in no way WHATSOEVER negates my point: that Imperial Japan could've avoided war with the U.S., at least temporarily & for an unknown period of time, by confining its aggression to Dutch & British colonies in the Far East.

What you typed actually reinforces my point, i.e., that the Imperial Japanese govt made an enormous & unnecessary strategic miscalculation on a global scale.

SCREW Luzon (yadda yadda)! That could've been a POTENTIAL problem for a future day. There was no need whatsoever to attack Pearl when they did, if their strategic goal was to gain oil/rubber resources immediately.

Posted by: mnw at August 06, 2024 11:33 PM (NLIak)

268 242 The Philippines had to be taken or what happened after the Battle of Leyte Gulf would have occurred in 1941 rendering the Japanese conquest of the Dutch East Indies pretty irrelevant as American bombers and warships intercepted the Japanese merchant ships.

Even today the Philippines are strategically important for the same reason, they sit athwart the sea lanes that bring oil to Japan, Republic of China, People's Republic of China, and South Korea.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 06, 2024 11:19 PM (AylSc)

The Japanese knew that attacking the Philippines meant war with the US. Meaning the US Navy would execute War Plan Orange, sending the Pacific Fleet to protect sea lanes to the Philippines and to seek-out and destroy the Japanese fleet.

The Japanese Navy knew it could not win a battleship slugfest with the USN in late 1941. Yamato had not yet been commissioned and Musashi was a year from commissioning. So the Japanese Navy formulated and executed the Pearl Harbor attack to whittle-down the USN battle line. The Japanese strategy was a string of military necessity dominoes falling once they Japanese decided it had to conquer the Dutch East Indies for its resources.

Posted by: Gref at August 06, 2024 11:33 PM (5fDan)

269 By...slaughtering civilians.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 06, 2024 11:24 PM (JvZF+)

We, the US and NATO, have prolonged this thing. Putin had arguably legitimate reasons to go into eastern Ukraine. But we have too many policy makers who just can't get over the Cold War. The Russia of today is not the Soviet Union of yesterday. Though I must say, we are doing a fine job of fucking up any potential relationship instead now Russia is making kissy face with China, Iran and North Korea. Great job by the US State Dept.

And I'm not saying we would ever be allies with Russia or anything, but a relationship, business, tourist, etc. Normal stuff. But nooooo. We have to bankrupt the US and starve our military of weaponry because we have political fossils living in the past.

Posted by: RickZ at August 06, 2024 11:33 PM (gKDq2)

270 Find a Hapsburg?
Posted by: OrangeEnt

By my weak chinny-chin-chin

Posted by: Miklos von un zu Miklostein at August 06, 2024 11:34 PM (lSyD7)

271 Can CalFire lay down some retardant on the idiot Mike Tirico for trying to gaslight the Olympics viewers with the lie that Imane Khelif, who has XY sex chromosomes, was "born female".

Posted by: Pussy Galore at August 06, 2024 11:34 PM (MB784)

272 A note on Cori Bush's defeat: even after everything she's done to discredit herself, St. Louis city still (albeit narrowly) voted in her favor. Only because St. Louis county--batsh*t crazy in most ways, but wealthier, more civilized, and if we're being honest, more racially mixed--went against her did she lose.

The Squad still has lemmings aplenty.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 06, 2024 11:36 PM (jGGMD)

273 an CalFire lay down some retardant on the idiot Mike Tirico for trying to gaslight the Olympics viewers with the lie that Imane Khelif, who has XY sex chromosomes, was "born female".
Posted by: Pussy Galore at August 06, 2024 11:34 PM (MB784)

Believe it or not they are trying to push the story that the XY testing was a fraud set up by the Russians who control the IBA.

Posted by: polynikes at August 06, 2024 11:38 PM (B1dzx)

274 Great aviation-themed ONT!

Posted by: Dirac_Delta at August 06, 2024 11:38 PM (JSF6W)

275 Posted by: RickZ at August 06, 2024 11:33 PM (gKDq2)
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I'm not a special pleader for either side, my point is the way the Russians initiated and prosecuted the war is a crime against humanity.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 06, 2024 11:39 PM (JvZF+)

276 Believe it or not they are trying to push the story that the XY testing was a fraud set up by the Russians who control the IBA.
Posted by: polynikes at August 06, 2024 11:38 PM (B1dzx)

Shoot the trannies and do an autopsy. It's the only way to be sure.

Posted by: Pete Buttigeig at August 06, 2024 11:39 PM (HZLHo)

277 Thank you, Dr. T. That's at least some good news. Deplete the Squad! That's two so far, right? Primaried. Now we get to see in the general if any more go down in flames. Here's hoping 'my' rep, AOC, is another one of them.

Posted by: RickZ at August 06, 2024 11:39 PM (gKDq2)

278 Cori Bush lost her primary today.

Ilhan Omar is up next (Aug 13). She is up against the guy that she barely beat in 2022 (50%-48%).

The smart money predicts Omar will go down this time.

Posted by: WillowViney at August 06, 2024 11:40 PM (d3MA1)

279 Shoot the trannies and do an autopsy. It's the only way to be sure.
Posted by: Pete Buttigeig

You got a but-get?

Posted by: Project manager at August 06, 2024 11:40 PM (lSyD7)

280 273

It all comes down to destroying American Culture...what little left there is...

TRUMP 2024 or die.

Posted by: Nightwatch at August 06, 2024 11:40 PM (TDvv2)

281 Here is what Harris and Walz straight up said tonight. Damn near quotes.

firearm registration checks
gun confiscation laws
banning commonly owned firearms
Posted by: Dave in Fla

Throwing down the gauntlet . FAFO commies.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * unburdened at August 06, 2024 11:41 PM (5W5fc)

282 Shoot the trannies and do an autopsy. It's the only way to be sure.
Posted by: Pete Buttigeig

Unintentional epic sock fail!

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: Tonypete at August 06, 2024 11:41 PM (WXNFJ)

283 The smart money predicts Omar will go down this time.
Posted by: WillowViney

Ewwwwwww!!

Posted by: Tonypete at August 06, 2024 11:41 PM (WXNFJ)

284 I'm not a special pleader for either side, my point is the way the Russians initiated and prosecuted the war is a crime against humanity.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 06, 2024 11:39 PM (JvZF+)

Night clubs are open in Kiev. The Russians are doing crime against humanity wrong.

Posted by: polynikes at August 06, 2024 11:41 PM (B1dzx)

285 Unintentional epic sock fail!

HAHAHAHAHAHA
Posted by: Tonypete at August 06, 2024 11:41 PM (WXNFJ)

Heh! Sheds athwartulent sock.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 06, 2024 11:43 PM (HZLHo)

286 By...slaughtering civilians.
Posted by: San Franpsycho

Yes. Like in Gaza there are casualties among the enemy's people when the battle is fought in their territory.

If they don't like it, they should have done something to rid the world of their government before someone else had to.

Posted by: Methos at August 06, 2024 11:43 PM (Dnobf)

287 Night clubs are open in Kiev. The Russians are doing crime against humanity wrong.
Posted by: polynikes at August 06, 2024 11:41 PM (B1dzx)
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The one has nothing to do with the other.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 06, 2024 11:44 PM (JvZF+)

288 272 Doc

True.

And I don't take much comfort in Wesley Bell replacing her, either.

I DID hear from a (retired) City of STL judge I respect that Bell is courteous & professional. So... courteous & professional Soros zealot.

But at least that antisemitic water buffalo is gone.

Posted by: mnw at August 06, 2024 11:44 PM (NLIak)

289 Started my career as an engineer at Grumman on the A-6F, which sadly never made it to production. Have worked on many other platforms since. 40 years later there are still interesting things to do here at NGC, but not much will surpass the stories told back then by those who were there during the LEM days. These guys helped put men on the moon with less computing power than the phone I'm currently holding in my hand. Truly remarkable...

Posted by: Number_6 at August 06, 2024 11:44 PM (oQvZq)

290 Shoot the trannies and do an autopsy. It's the only way to be sure.
Posted by: Pete Buttigeig

I knew a lot of gays didn't like the trannies, but wow.

Posted by: Dr. T at August 06, 2024 11:44 PM (jGGMD)

291 The situation in Gaza is very different and the entire population can be considered enemy combatants. That is not true in Ukraine.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 06, 2024 11:45 PM (JvZF+)

292 Reagan said (quite pithily) "We win, they lose"

Who is the we and who are the Theys, and what does "winning" look like?

Iran is a "they", I start from that.

Posted by: Miklos used to think for a living at August 06, 2024 11:45 PM (lSyD7)

293 My Dad was also in the army of occupation. The bomb was the worst option, except for all the others.

Imagine how long it would have taken 1945 America to grant eternal rest unto KSM.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson Trump Vance 2024 at August 06, 2024 11:46 PM (55boN)

294 Night clubs are open in Kiev. The Russians are doing crime against humanity wrong.
Posted by: polynikes at August 06, 2024 11:41 PM (B1dzx)
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The one has nothing to do with the other.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 06, 2024 11:44 PM (JvZF

Why hasn’t Russia done to Kiev what we did to Baghdad?

Posted by: polynikes at August 06, 2024 11:47 PM (B1dzx)

295 Cori Bush lost her primary today.

Ilhan Omar is up next (Aug 13). She is up against the guy that she barely beat in 2022 (50%-48%).

The smart money predicts Omar will go down this time.
Posted by: WillowViney

Now see?

We can have Nice Things.

Posted by: Optimiklos at August 06, 2024 11:47 PM (lSyD7)

296 I get the point you are trying to make. The Russians have prosecuted their war entirely differently than has the IDF.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 06, 2024 11:48 PM (JvZF+)

297 275 Posted by: RickZ at August 06, 2024 11:33 PM (gKDq2)
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I'm not a special pleader for either side, my point is the way the Russians initiated and prosecuted the war is a crime against humanity.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 06, 2024 11:39 PM (JvZF+)

I believe the US and the rest of NATO were as surprised as Putin that the Russian war machine wasn't nearly as good as expected. Especially against the Ukraine military. Everything since the Russian failure to take Kiev in the first week has been ad hoc strategery by both sides. Once Joey dug in his heels against Putin, logic in the West went out the window. It is not written on stone tablets that the 'Good Guys' win every war. At least not the first stages of every war.

Posted by: Gref at August 06, 2024 11:48 PM (5fDan)

298 So it is boomers then, fuckin boomers
Posted by: N

I must be old. I see boomers, and think of nuclear missile submarines, not baby boomers.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf

Then if you don't allow for fuckin boomers, you'll wind up with tug boats.

Posted by: mikeski at August 06, 2024 11:49 PM (DgGvY)

299 The smart money predicts Omar will go down this time.
Posted by: WillowViney
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Family story. Husband / brother.

Posted by: scampydog at August 06, 2024 11:49 PM (TyyWs)

300 Why hasn’t Russia done to Kiev what we did to Baghdad?
Posted by: polynikes at August 06, 2024 11:47 PM (B1dzx)
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Now you've lost me...

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 06, 2024 11:49 PM (JvZF+)

301 Posted by: Gref at August 06, 2024 11:48 PM (5fDan)

I don’t think Kiev was an objective the first week of the war or thereafter.

Posted by: polynikes at August 06, 2024 11:50 PM (B1dzx)

302 I believe Omar will win her primary comfortably.

Hope I'm wrong.

Posted by: mnw at August 06, 2024 11:51 PM (NLIak)

303 If it weren't so late, it'd be earlier, but it's not. Or is. Or, something.

https://youtu.be/uNSBq6hvU1s

G'nite, y'all.

Posted by: mindful webworker - backward masked at August 06, 2024 11:51 PM (dhLW1)

304 Why hasn’t Russia done to Kiev what we did to Baghdad?
Posted by: polynikes at August 06, 2024 11:47 PM (B1dzx)
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Now you've lost me...
Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 06, 2024 11:49 PM (JvZF+)

How so? You don’t know what we did on the opening days of the war in Iraq?

Posted by: polynikes at August 06, 2024 11:52 PM (B1dzx)

305 I believe Omar will win her primary comfortably.

Hope I'm wrong.
Posted by: mnw
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I agree and agree.

Posted by: scampydog at August 06, 2024 11:52 PM (TyyWs)

306 Airplanes!
Fires!
And we just saw Twisters.

Popcorn movie.
Needed a Jamie Gertz though.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 06, 2024 11:53 PM (ufFY8)

307 Different wars
Different war aims
Different strategic doctrines
Different geography and AO
Different armaments
Different political context

Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 06, 2024 11:53 PM (JvZF+)

308 301 Posted by: Gref at August 06, 2024 11:48 PM (5fDan)

I don’t think Kiev was an objective the first week of the war or thereafter.

Posted by: polynikes at August 06, 2024 11:50 PM (B1dzx)

The Russians lost a lot of high-caliber troops and metric shit-tons of equipment north, west, and east of the city for no purpose?

Posted by: Gref at August 06, 2024 11:54 PM (5fDan)

309 DEIsney earnings call at 8:30a tomorrow.
Hope the Mouse dies.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 06, 2024 11:55 PM (ufFY8)

310 I don't know much about tbe Taiwanese boxer, but I do feel for the Algerian one.
No business boxing with women, but she was raised female. Her parents might not have even known she wasn't female for awhile;
usually in this situation, there is very little external gentitalia, or it's ambiguous, at best. Do you raise a son without a penis? What if there's an ever so slight proturbance, but a complete vaginal canal?
I totally understand the xy chromosome thing, but if her parents didnt have that checked and just figured it would be easier to raise a girl with messed up plumbing than a boy, I understand that, too.
I'm just saying this isn't one of those cases we typically see, when some guy just decides he wants to win medals, so he says he's a woman.
Shouldn't be allowed to box with women, though.

Posted by: Tammy-al Thor at August 06, 2024 11:57 PM (tyioe)

311 Wow. Did they think they could just whip something up in some guy's garage in a day or so? How did they imagine they would target anything of strategic or even morale value?
Posted by: Helena Handbasket

Meth's a helluva drug and they invented it.

Posted by: SFGoth at August 06, 2024 11:57 PM (KAi1n)

312 Today is the day the Dems momentum began to slow. When people see Walz, he seems vaguely familiar; they subconsciously expect a long tongue to suddenly pop out of his mouth to catch a fly.

Posted by: Ted Torgerson Trump Vance 2024 at August 06, 2024 11:57 PM (55boN)

313 Needed a Jamie Gertz though.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt
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Jamie Gertz in Less Than Zero had my youthful attention.

Posted by: scampydog at August 06, 2024 11:58 PM (TyyWs)

314 scampy

If I'd told my father & grandfather (long gone to their rewards) that in their son & grandson's lifetime, Minneapolis would be controlled by Somali Islamic immigrants, they would've had a good laugh at such a silly joke.

We're giving away everything they left to us.

Posted by: mnw at August 06, 2024 11:59 PM (NLIak)

315 mnw, Minneapolis is a tragedy. I live outstate but am down there for business regularly enough. You were/are spot on. It's a mess.

Posted by: scampydog at August 07, 2024 12:02 AM (TyyWs)

316
Life finds a way all right. A tarantula wiggled out of a crack so tight I could barely stick a piece of paper in it.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 07, 2024 12:02 AM (ny95y)

317 scampy

If I'd told my father & grandfather (long gone to their rewards) that in their son & grandson's lifetime, Minneapolis would be controlled by Somali Islamic immigrants, they would've had a good laugh at such a silly joke.

We're giving away everything they left to us.

Posted by: mnw

I might need to re-read Caliphate by Tom Kratman. I don't remember if the Twin Cities were on the nuke list. It might have been written recently enough.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at August 07, 2024 12:04 AM (VNX3d)

318 We're giving away everything they left to us.

Posted by: mnw at August 06, 2024 11:59 PM (NLIak)

That's because politicians sell our birthright too damn cheap.

Honestly, that's what pisses me off the most. My birthright citizenship has been cheapened. And screw the dual passport people. Pick one, asshole.

Posted by: RickZ at August 07, 2024 12:05 AM (gKDq2)

319
The smart money predicts Omar will go down this time.
Posted by: WillowViney

+++++++++++++++++++++

Oh lord please. If she loses, she'll probably cash in and bail the US.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 07, 2024 12:06 AM (ny95y)

320 trying to gaslight the Olympics viewers with the lie that Imane Khelif, who has XY sex chromosomes, was "born female".
Posted by: Pussy Galore

It is possible to be an XY and "born female." Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. But I doubt Khelif is that; he's got the wrong body type. He's some other sort of intersex.

An XY "male" whose cells don't respond to testosterone, etc, develops as an almost-completely-normal female. Shorter stature, female muscle tone, female lung capacity, vagina, breasts, etc. But no cervix, uterus, or parts beyond.

Posted by: mikeski at August 07, 2024 12:06 AM (DgGvY)

321 Life finds a way all right. A tarantula wiggled out of a crack so tight I could barely stick a piece of paper in it.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia

Don't mind me! Just looking for a safe place to lay a few hundred eggs.

Posted by: a thin tarantula at August 07, 2024 12:07 AM (DgGvY)

322
I believe Omar will win her primary comfortably.

Hope I'm wrong.
Posted by: mnw

+++++++++++++

I took a look at the demographics of her district and it's clearly white liberals who keep her in office.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 07, 2024 12:08 AM (ny95y)

323 No ONT sponsor?

Is GARM putting the squeeze on AOSHQ, too?

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at August 07, 2024 12:09 AM (e3SEJ)

324 My birthright citizenship has been cheapened......
Posted by: RickZ
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I know we are supposed to be snarky, but this is a really sound point. Thanks for a perspective post.

Posted by: scampydog at August 07, 2024 12:09 AM (TyyWs)

325
I'm just saying this isn't one of those cases we typically see, when some guy just decides he wants to win medals, so he says he's a woman.
Shouldn't be allowed to box with women, though.
Posted by: Tammy-al Thor

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Intersex isn't female. He shouldn't be in the ring with women.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 07, 2024 12:10 AM (ny95y)

326
HOLY FK EARTHQUAKE

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 07, 2024 12:11 AM (ny95y)

327
Anyone else feel it?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 07, 2024 12:11 AM (ny95y)

328 That quake rolled for awhile. Not too bad where I'm at.

Posted by: Mark1971 at August 07, 2024 12:11 AM (xPl2J)

329 HOLY FK EARTHQUAKE
Posted by: Blonde Morticia

I got out of that crack just in time!

Posted by: a thin tarantula at August 07, 2024 12:12 AM (DgGvY)

330 Is Omar better or worse than Keith Ellison or Walz?

We're about to find out if America wants to upscale the Minnesota model.

Right now, it looks as if that may be the future America is choosing.

Posted by: mnw at August 07, 2024 12:13 AM (NLIak)

331 5.1 centered in Weedpatch

Posted by: Mark1971 at August 07, 2024 12:14 AM (xPl2J)

332 HOLY FK EARTHQUAKE
Posted by: Blonde Morticia

Where are you?

Posted by: Some Rat at August 07, 2024 12:14 AM (vJiyU)

333 I feel compelled, out of abundance of caution, to encourage all to learn Hungarian.

It was the working language of the Manhattan Project, and a pretty good Sekrit Language for Times that may Burn.

Posted by: Miklos, just sayin' (csak ugy mondanam) at August 07, 2024 12:15 AM (lSyD7)

334 5.1 centered in Weedpatch
Posted by: Mark1971

Oh, won't sweat the tsunami then.

Posted by: Some Rat at August 07, 2024 12:15 AM (vJiyU)

335 It was the working language of the Manhattan Project, and a pretty good Sekrit Language for Times that may Burn.
Posted by: Miklos, just sayin' (csak ugy mondanam)

Base redneck should suffice.

Posted by: Some Rat at August 07, 2024 12:17 AM (vJiyU)

336 I got out of that crack just in time!
Posted by: a thin tarantula

here's yer crack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSe6yxKy4r8

Posted by: Miklos, fixin' the old Norge at August 07, 2024 12:18 AM (lSyD7)

337 I feel compelled, out of abundance of caution, to encourage all to learn Hungarian.

It was the working language of the Manhattan Project, and a pretty good Sekrit Language for Times that may Burn.
Posted by: Miklos
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You're passing out more homework? I'm still working on my French (not going great) and Italian (reminds me of Spanish, so easier).

Posted by: scampydog at August 07, 2024 12:19 AM (TyyWs)

338 Nancy Pelosi gives bizarre answer on Kamala Harris' VP pick Tim Walz

https://mol.im/a/13714949

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, la Stampa sono tutti bastardi #17 at August 07, 2024 12:21 AM (qfLjt)

339
That quake rolled for awhile. Not too bad where I'm at.
Posted by: Mark1971

+++++++++++++++

I'm in Santa Clarita at the moment (northern end of LA). It did roll along for quite a while! I'm also seeing as high as 5.6.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 07, 2024 12:21 AM (ny95y)

340 104

The proposed Cabinet is shaping up nicely!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at August 06, 2024 10:28 PM (hOUT3)

- - - - - -

Now build some sh3lv3s...

Posted by: As not seen on TV at August 07, 2024 12:22 AM (WE5EJ)

341 HOLY FK EARTHQUAKE
Posted by: Blonde Morticia

Where are you?
Posted by: Some Rat

Not sure where Morticia is, but USGS reports a 5.3 with several aftershocks. Epicenters clustered about halfway between Lamont and Grapevine, CA.

Posted by: mikeski at August 07, 2024 12:22 AM (DgGvY)

342 HOLY FK EARTHQUAKE
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 07, 2024 12:11 AM (ny95y)

Was.it good for you too?
*lights cigarette*

Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2024 12:24 AM (W/lyH)

343 Felt it good here. Shake your booty

Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at August 07, 2024 12:25 AM (WF/xn)

344 Secret Service whistleblower makes damning claim about the lead agent during Trump's assassination attempt

https://mol.im/a/13714547

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, la Stampa sono tutti bastardi #18 at August 07, 2024 12:25 AM (qfLjt)

345 Nancy Pelosi gives bizarre answer on Kamala Harris' VP pick Tim Walz

https://mol.im/a/13714949
Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, la Stampa sono tutti bastardi #17 at August 07, 2024 12:21 AM (qfLjt)
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Quit your wining!

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at August 07, 2024 12:26 AM (e3SEJ)

346
Here is what Harris and Walz straight up said tonight. Damn near quotes.

Posted by: Dave in Fla

+++++++++++++++

My mom had watched some old speech of his and told me he was silver-tongued. I watched the rally in Penn tonight and I was madly unimpressed. And Kamala was standing behind him looking like the passenger, not the driver.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 07, 2024 12:27 AM (ny95y)

347 Major streaming service, Disney, hikes prices by 25 percent

https://mol.im/a/13715365

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, la Stampa sono tutti bastardi e ladri #18 at August 07, 2024 12:28 AM (qfLjt)

348 Nytol

Posted by: mnw at August 07, 2024 12:28 AM (NLIak)

349 G'night, mnw.

Posted by: scampydog at August 07, 2024 12:29 AM (TyyWs)

350 Been close to an earthquake back in 1984. Around 8AM. Was on 4th floor of an old building.

Had a whisky right after.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at August 07, 2024 12:29 AM (e3SEJ)

351 Dem congresswoman, Chellie Pingree, flies in business class while telling voters to save planet by wearing hand-me-down clothes

https://mol.im/a/13714831

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, la Stampa sono tutti bastardi e ladri #19 at August 07, 2024 12:30 AM (qfLjt)

352 Major streaming service, Disney, hikes prices by 25 percent

https://mol.im/a/13715365
Posted by: Ciampino
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I genuinely don't get that business decision. They are no longer what they believe they once were. Timing, market....no good.

Posted by: scampydog at August 07, 2024 12:31 AM (TyyWs)

353 We have to bankrupt the US and starve our military of weaponry because we have political fossils living in the past.
Posted by: RickZ at August 06, 2024 11:33 PM (gKDq2)

Whether at war or at peace the military industrial complex will be rolling in money for some time due to this foreign adventure. Depleted stocks you say? Well even a peace loving president like Trump would happily rebuild stocks of material.
Yes about the bankruptcy, but we're headed there regardless

Some guy more than a century ago said War is good business, and unfortunately it still is.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at August 07, 2024 12:33 AM (FCbAQ)

354 >>I'm not a special pleader for either side, my point is the way the Russians initiated and prosecuted the war is a crime against humanity.

The biggest problem we have with talking about this idiotic war of choice is that after all this time very few seem to understand what caused it. Many people seem to understand that the issues in the Middle East are complicated but also seem to believe that the issues in Eastern Europe are just that Putin started this war for no reason.

Russia didn't start this war. NATO did. Started one in Georgia too for the same reason but nobody cares about that because it didn't get much media coverage.

Two things can be true at the same time, Putin is a murderous thug and our own foreign policy isn't any better.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 07, 2024 12:34 AM (LkLld)

355 The one has nothing to do with the other.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at August 06, 2024 11:44 PM (JvZF+)

You probably want to write down a list of actions that are war crimes, and then write down what the Ukes accuse the Russans of, and what the Russians accuse the Ukes of doing, and see if any of the lists match/ Then figure out if there is any support for the claims.
If they match you have the joy of knowing that you understand what is going on and have the receipts. If they don't match you can rejoice that you have reached an incomplete spot in your understanding and you have the challenge of learning something new.

Posted by: Kindltot at August 07, 2024 12:34 AM (D7oie)

356 The proof that federal health chiefs backed puberty blockers for trans kids despite KNOWING the drugs can kill

https://mol.im/a/13715277

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, i federali sono tutti bugiardi #20 at August 07, 2024 12:34 AM (qfLjt)

357 326

Yes indeed...rolled the home a bit and set the ceiling light fixtures to swaying in my bedroom. Somewhere near Bakersfield. 5.1

Dang, just another reminder that we are due for something bigger.

Posted by: Nightwatch at August 07, 2024 12:36 AM (TDvv2)

358 Patti Yasutake dead at 70: Beef star passes away after cancer battle

https://mol.im/a/13716079

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, i federali sono tutti bugiardi #21 at August 07, 2024 12:36 AM (qfLjt)

359 Mr Reagan 🇺🇸
@MrReaganUSA
Barack Obama Endorses Kamala PARODY
Video: x.com/MrReaganUSA/status/1820851063848837358 0:00 / 2:17
8:54 AM · Aug 6, 2024

Barack Endorses Kamala PARODY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGHjZCC1Abg

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at August 07, 2024 12:36 AM (9aVck)

360 342 HOLY FK EARTHQUAKE
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 07, 2024 12:11 AM (ny95y)

Was.it good for you too?
*lights cigarette*
Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2024 12:24 AM (W/lyH)

Didn't interrupt my cigar. 5.2 centered south of Bakersfield in Lamont. I shall call it the Big dummy quake..

Posted by: Joe Kidd at August 07, 2024 12:38 AM (RMN7W)

361 Major streaming service, Disney, hikes prices by 25 percent

Posted by: Ciampino
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I genuinely don't get that business decision. They are no longer what they believe they once were. Timing, market....no good.
Posted by: scampydog at August 07, 2024 12:31 AM (TyyWs)

A price hike of diminishing revenue. It'll be easy for people to cancel.

Posted by: RickZ at August 07, 2024 12:39 AM (gKDq2)

362 The Uke Russia thing is a split for me. Historically annoyed with the corruption of the Ukraine. Maybe 3 months of my lifetime has Russia not been the Baddie. I see what USA response has been and have more questions and little head nodding.

Posted by: scampydog at August 07, 2024 12:39 AM (TyyWs)

363 Steve Deace
@SteveDeaceShow
If @JDVance calls Tim Walz "Tampon Tim" to his face at the VP debate, I will get some form of MAGA face tattoo. That's how much I believe America needs this.
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4:27 PM · Aug 6, 2024

Posted by: BetaCuck4Lyfe at August 07, 2024 12:39 AM (9aVck)

364 Puppy left at Ohio animal shelter because she has too much energy -- well maybe for a 29. It's a pup, of course it's got a lot of energy.

https://mol.im/a/13715745

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, i federali sono tutti bugiardi #22 at August 07, 2024 12:40 AM (qfLjt)

365 OBAMA endorses Kameltoe near the end of his 3rd term.

That's about right...

Posted by: Nightwatch at August 07, 2024 12:40 AM (TDvv2)

366 Patti Yasutake dead at 70: Beef star passes away after cancer battle

https://mol.im/a/13716079
Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, i federali sono tutti bugiardi #21 at August 07, 2024 12:36 AM (qfLjt)

Another "celebrity" I've never heard of.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 07, 2024 12:40 AM (HZLHo)

367
Re Intersex. You'll see it claimed recently that the intersex birth rate is about 1.7%. That's a deliberate attempt to inflate the numbers. They include things like Turner's and Klinefelter's and others that are chromosomal abnormalities that mess things up but don't cause a real divergence between chromosomal sex and "phenotypic" sex.

The true rate of the latter conditions is just about 0.02%.

And there are many of those in that tiny fraction. Sex differentiation is a very complex process, with many steps. It starts with a master switch on the Y chromosome that turns on. But that causes many other switches to flip and if one goes wrong, something get messed up.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at August 07, 2024 12:42 AM (w6EFb)

368 Dell is laying off more than 12,000 workers as it moves to embrace AI

https://t.co/QCf2LCboHz

Wait until this 'AI' bandwagon grinds to a halt.

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, i cervelli AI sono ,olto stupidi #22 at August 07, 2024 12:42 AM (qfLjt)

369 The proof that federal health chiefs backed puberty blockers for trans kids despite KNOWING the drugs can kill

https://mol.im/a/13715277
Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, i federali sono tutti bugiardi #20 at August 07, 2024 12:34 AM (qfLjt)
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Now THAT'S a war crime!

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at August 07, 2024 12:44 AM (e3SEJ)

370 365 OBAMA endorses Kameltoe near the end of his 3rd term.
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Initially read that as trimester. Because SKFOAMT

Posted by: scampydog at August 07, 2024 12:44 AM (TyyWs)

371 >> Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome.

They tend to be tall, with long limbs, little to no body hair and their sweat doesn't stink.

There is always somebody claiming that some famous supermodel is CAIS. That went around about Gisele whats-her-face, Tom Brady's ex. But she had children, which proved that wrong.

There's also a persistent claim that Wallis Simpson was CAIS.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at August 07, 2024 12:44 AM (w6EFb)

372 >> Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome.

... little to no body hair...

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at August 07, 2024 12:44 AM (w6EFb)
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Well, that rules out Emhoff's daughter.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at August 07, 2024 12:48 AM (e3SEJ)

373 There's also a persistent claim that Wallis Simpson was CAIS.
Posted by: publius,

I have done worse things for more attractive women.

Posted by: Miklos I Leka Zogu, Rightful King of All the Albanias at August 07, 2024 12:49 AM (lSyD7)

374 CAIS.... swimmers... Marfan... ehhh not quite but the brain wandered.

Posted by: scampydog at August 07, 2024 12:50 AM (TyyWs)

375 Well, that rules out Emhoff's daughter.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at August 07, 2024 12:48 AM (e3SEJ)

Heh.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 07, 2024 12:50 AM (HZLHo)

376 351 Dem congresswoman, Chellie Pingree, flies in business class while telling voters to save planet by wearing hand-me-down clothes

https://mol.im/a/13714831
Posted by: Ciampino

I'll believe climate change is a crisis when those who tell me it's a crisis, start acting like it's a crisis.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at August 07, 2024 12:52 AM (sAmhv)

377 Well, that rules out Emhoff's daughter.
Shouldn't oughter

I think it is fair to know the gender of the person you get into bed with, and may wake up with, and when that might change

Posted by: Miklos thinks Fair is Fair at August 07, 2024 12:53 AM (lSyD7)

378 G'night Horde. Thanks for another incidental learning session.

Posted by: scampydog at August 07, 2024 12:53 AM (TyyWs)

379 371

So correct me then if I say "FEMALE" but with their FEMALE plumbing clogged with MALE BALLS?

Is that correct?

Posted by: Nightwatch at August 07, 2024 12:53 AM (TDvv2)

380 This should be easy.
What does the FDA have right about food and/or drugs?

Anything?

Posted by: Reforger at August 07, 2024 12:55 AM (xcIvR)

381 Some would say...

HELLOFA PARTY!!!

Posted by: Nightwatch at August 07, 2024 12:56 AM (TDvv2)

382 >> Is that correct?

Pretty much. You can look up the details. They will be "phenotypically" female. External female genitalia, but usually a short, "blind" vagina. Instead of ovaries, they'll have non-descended, not fully developed testicles.

They will most of the time have no uterus, cervix, or fallopian tubes. There is some hormone the testicles produces that turns off the "Mullerian duct" system that becomes those internal lady parts.

In some very rare cases however, that won't even work, and they'll have a uterus and the rest, but no ovaries.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at August 07, 2024 12:57 AM (w6EFb)

383 Irredentist. Short for, "What's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine, too"
The fsckin Russians signed the Budapest Memorandum and so did we.

I know 4 Russian immigrants and none of them think that the invasion was the right way to solve the Donbass/Crimea issue. I've known 2 Ukrainian immigrants and one Ukrainian family. Everyone of them are quite offended if you call them Russian.

Soros likes Ukraine. BFD.
Hitler liked coffee. Starbucks are Nazis.

Posted by: buddhaha at August 07, 2024 12:58 AM (nfJYr)

384 Patti Yasutake dead at 70: Beef star

Who? We hardly knew ye.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 07, 2024 01:00 AM (mH6SG)

385 Hitler liked coffee. Starbucks are Nazis.
Posted by: buddhaha at August 07, 2024 12:58 AM (nfJYr)

Even worse, Hitler was a vegetarian. That makes vegetarians Nazis. For real.

Posted by: RickZ at August 07, 2024 01:01 AM (gKDq2)

386 382

Thank you publius, another shortfall in my college A&P course rectified.

Posted by: Nightwatch at August 07, 2024 01:01 AM (TDvv2)

387
Another really weird, and very rare thing is a XX-XY chimera. It's sort of the opposite of the identical twin process, where one egg splits into two.

Here's two fraternal twin sygotes, one male and the other female merge into one embryo. That then has a mix of genetically different XX and XY cells.

Anything can happen there depending on which cells turn into the relevant systems.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at August 07, 2024 01:05 AM (w6EFb)

388 Just saw Tampon Timmy described as "Temu Bernie Sanders".

I'm still chuckling.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 07, 2024 01:06 AM (W5ArC)

389 Here's two fraternal twin sygotes, one male and the other female merge into one embryo. That then has a mix of genetically different XX and XY cells.

Anything can happen there depending on which cells turn into the relevant systems.
Posted by: publius

I now discourage Publius and Miley from raising chickens.

Posted by: Miklos thinks monster trans-chickens at August 07, 2024 01:08 AM (lSyD7)

390 Just saw Tampon Timmy described as "Temu Bernie Sanders".

I'm still chuckling.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at August 07, 2024 01:06 AM (W5ArC)

I am promoting "Chicken Cackle and Chicken Shit".

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 07, 2024 01:09 AM (HZLHo)

391 I now discourage Publius and Miley from raising chickens.
Posted by: Miklos thinks monster trans-chickens at August 07, 2024 01:08 AM (lSyD7)

Wasn't there a movie about "the chicken heart that ate Chicago"?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 07, 2024 01:10 AM (HZLHo)

392 I am promoting "Chicken Cackle and Chicken Shit".
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 07, 2024 01:09 AM (HZLHo)

OOooh. I like that. Consider it stolen.

Posted by: RickZ at August 07, 2024 01:10 AM (gKDq2)

393 Another really weird, and very rare thing is a XX-XY chimera. It's sort of the opposite of the identical twin process, where one egg splits into two.

Here's two fraternal twin sygotes, one male and the other female merge into one embryo. That then has a mix of genetically different XX and XY cells.
Posted by: publius

99% of which live in post-DNA-testing murder mystery novels.

Because now the "hair left at the scene of the crime" won't match the murder's blood test, because he's chimera where his skin & hair have different DNA than his marrow & blood.

Posted by: mikeski at August 07, 2024 01:12 AM (DgGvY)

394 Old Mama has cancer of a sort with no history in her fambly. No genetic predisposition.

Vaxxed and boosted.

Suspicion puts it mildly.

Posted by: Miklos thinks at August 07, 2024 01:13 AM (lSyD7)

395 I know 4 Russian immigrants and none of them think that the invasion was the right way to solve the Donbass/Crimea issue. I've known 2 Ukrainian immigrants and one Ukrainian family. Everyone of them are quite offended if you call them Russian.

Uke migrants: so fond of their homeland, they left.

Let them go back and fight for Ukraine. I don't care.

Posted by: Russia, Russia, Russia at August 07, 2024 01:13 AM (12gd1)

396 Suspicion puts it mildly.
Posted by: Miklos thinks at August 07, 2024 01:13 AM (lSyD7)

May she make a swift and complete recovery.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 07, 2024 01:14 AM (HZLHo)

397 240 Neither Ukraine or Russia are the good guys but if I just had to choose a side only knowing who were supporting each side and their stated reasons I’d definitely have to side with Russia. Just Soros alone being one of the first advocates for Ukraine put the stink on them.

Posted by: polynikes at August 06, 2024 11:19 PM (B1dzx)
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So who would be 'the good guys'? Not the USA!
You are looking at the politicians/generals on each side and we have a terrible track record ourselves. Start making a 2-column list of why Russia ---- Other Country is bad. You may find Russia is not as bad as the USA.

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, i cervelli AI sono molto stupidi #22 at August 07, 2024 01:14 AM (qfLjt)

398 Wasn't there a movie about "the chicken heart that ate Chicago"?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

I defer this to the TheJamesMadison

Posted by: Miklos be ignant on alla dis at August 07, 2024 01:15 AM (lSyD7)

399 316 Life finds a way all right. A tarantula wiggled out of a crack so tight I could barely stick a piece of paper in it.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 07, 2024 12:02 AM (ny95y)

Time to burn down the house and go find another one.... 😊😂

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas, AOS Ladies Brigade, Plucky Comic Relief at August 07, 2024 01:15 AM (SRRAx)

400
There is another one I'm trying to remember, something crazy. Some woman had a child, which turned out to have something wrong which prompted testing.

Turns out the mother was some sort of crazy, one-in-a-billion (if even that much) sort of intersex. She should not have been able to reproduce, but she did. And they couldn't understand why. They wrote it up, and had various experts come in.

So, Mrs. X, not only shouldn't you be able to reproduce, you shouldn't even exist. Yet you do. You're a freak of nature that challenges everything we think we know. We want to take you and your whole family tree in and test, poke and prod and figure this out.

Understandably, that wasn't received to well, and they weren't allowed to study them.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at August 07, 2024 01:16 AM (w6EFb)

401 May she make a swift and complete recovery.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Thank you

One must trust the Experts

Posted by: Miklos sez HA! at August 07, 2024 01:17 AM (lSyD7)

402 115 That clip of the wings coming off the air tanker up top is tragic. Was it overloaded?

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 06, 2024 10:30 PM (W4qJF)

One of the problems with air tankers is they get modified, sometimes with questionable means. That particular airplane had some airframe 'surgery' in the region of the wing box, for some additional tankage, IIRC. A dear friend is an FAA IA, (inspector authorization), who worked at Lockheed Aircraft Services in Ontario, on C-130 mods. He knew that airplanes history, and said it was horrible. Regretfully, he didn't know that info beforehand. (Lockheed Ontario was not involved with its modification).

Posted by: Jimmy Doolittle at August 07, 2024 01:18 AM (8c+pJ)

403 394 Old Mama has cancer of a sort with no history in her fambly. No genetic predisposition.

Vaxxed and boosted.

Suspicion puts it mildly.

Posted by: Miklos thinks at August 07, 2024 01:13 AM (lSyD7)
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Miklos, prayers for your Mom. I still find mine in dreams even though she passed away in '86.

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, i cervelli AI sono molto stupidi #23 at August 07, 2024 01:18 AM (qfLjt)

404 360 342 HOLY FK EARTHQUAKE
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 07, 2024 12:11 AM (ny95y)

Was.it good for you too?
*lights cigarette*
Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2024 12:24 AM (W/lyH)

Didn't interrupt my cigar. 5.2 centered south of Bakersfield in Lamont. I shall call it the Big dummy quake..
Posted by: Joe Kidd at August 07, 2024 12:38 AM (RMN7W)

Damn. I was in the shower... missed it... or... 2.5 hours north did not feel it at all.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 07, 2024 01:19 AM (xaFKb)

405 I find Drudge useful. One stop quick shop to see what the MSM is pushing. Usually you don't even have to click any of the headlines.

Posted by: azjaeger at August 07, 2024 01:19 AM (3/XaG)

406 Calgary and and some of the nearby countryside got hit by a massive and prolonged hailstorm last night. Massive damage. Buildings at the airport were flooded. Talked to a friend from the area this morning. He said poplar trees were completely stripped of leaves, and many crop fields knocked down flat. Total loss.

Out here, I saw some lightning, heard thunder, and got a decent rain shower, but no damage.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 07, 2024 01:20 AM (HZLHo)

407
A pleasant song for those with some familiarity with Body Work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp21ZrTRBwo

Posted by: Miklos remembers the Tan Canary with Wolfman Washington at August 07, 2024 01:21 AM (lSyD7)

408 C'mon, Horde, Ballz to the Walz !!!

Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at August 07, 2024 01:22 AM (Sgq8y)

409 Phone power ✔️

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2024 01:22 AM (fwDg9)

410 My compromise for UKR/RUS.

Demand that RUS pay for the restoration of Antonov Aircraft, and the production of one new AN-225, to replace the one destroyed in the RUS missile attack on the UKR airport.

Pure symbolism.

Long as it'd let both sides "save face" though, I'd call it a day. Otherwise, there's no real good solution, as The Perfect is the Enemy of the Good.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at August 07, 2024 01:23 AM (kQgoX)

411 HOLY FK EARTHQUAKE
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at August 07, 2024 12:11 AM (ny95y)

Was.it good for you too?
*lights cigarette*
Posted by: Diogenes

No taking St. Andreas name in vain.

Bad shit might happen.

Posted by: Miklos the Presbyter at August 07, 2024 01:25 AM (lSyD7)

412 Demand that RUS pay for the restoration of Antonov Aircraft, and the production of one new AN-225, to replace the one destroyed in the RUS missile attack on the UKR airport.

Pure symbolism.

Long as it'd let both sides "save face" though, I'd call it a day. Otherwise, there's no real good solution, as The Perfect is the Enemy of the Good.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at August 07, 2024 01:23 AM (kQgoX)

That would be worthy. The Russia-Ukraine spat has been a family feud for many centuries.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 07, 2024 01:26 AM (HZLHo)

413 C'mon, Horde, Ballz to the Walz !!!

Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at August 07, 2024 01:22 AM (Sgq8y)

That's a little too kinky for me. Sorry.

Posted by: RickZ at August 07, 2024 01:26 AM (gKDq2)

414 Phone power ✔️
Posted by: Skip

Skip phone power>>>>GIRRLL POWAH

Posted by: Miklos so assesses at August 07, 2024 01:27 AM (lSyD7)

415 403 394 Old Mama has cancer of a sort with no history in her fambly. No genetic predisposition.

Vaxxed and boosted.

Suspicion puts it mildly.

Posted by: Miklos thinks at August 07, 2024 01:13 AM (lSyD7)

My brother's stomach cancer stopped responding to chemo. Original prognosis prevax was good. He called me back in April to say goodbye. Spoke to him a few days ago. He's no longer bed ridden and dealing with the ostomy tube they put in. Prayer works. May the same hold true for Old Mama..

Posted by: Joe Kidd at August 07, 2024 01:27 AM (RMN7W)

416 Good evening, good people.

I hold no brief for Ukraine but it warms my heart to see Ivan get the shit kicked out of him. The degree of corruption and incompetence in ALL facets of their military is staggering. I'm not certain if this can be resolved without a total reorganization, that would take years.

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at August 07, 2024 01:29 AM (hKoQL)

417 May the same hold true for Old Mama..
Posted by: Joe Kidd

I know who is in charge.

Posted by: Miklos thinks it ain't the experts at August 07, 2024 01:30 AM (lSyD7)

418 A pleasant song for those with some familiarity with Body Work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp21ZrTRBwo
Posted by: Miklos remembers the Tan Canary with Wolfman Washington at August 07, 2024 01:21 AM (lSyD7)

Good tune! That led to me playing "I Don't Want To Know". A Bobby Charles tune, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 07, 2024 01:30 AM (HZLHo)

419
And they are gobsmacked that trust in the medical system had plummeted off the cliff.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at August 07, 2024 01:30 AM (w6EFb)

420
Mrs. Walz is Balz to the Walz bat-shit crazy.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at August 07, 2024 01:31 AM (w6EFb)

421 A 2% shift in support will decide the next president.

If China tells TikTok to push the Heat button (a real thing) for Harris-Walz, the election is decided.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at August 06, 2024 10:14 PM (TGPs7)

See? Don’t bother trying.

Posted by: AoS Defeatists and Eeyores at August 07, 2024 01:31 AM (PsjFb)

422 408 C'mon, Horde, Ballz to the Walz !!!

Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at August 07, 2024 01:22 AM (Sgq8y)

No more calls, we have a winner!

Posted by: Joe Kidd at August 07, 2024 01:35 AM (RMN7W)

423 Good tune! That led to me playing "I Don't Want To Know". A Bobby Charles tune, too.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Doof sent me his playlist.

I might ask for yours, one day.

Posted by: Miklos doin that soulful chair dance at August 07, 2024 01:37 AM (lSyD7)

424 Here's one for Elon Musk:

https://youtu.be/-MaVlnmCQ-8?si=X0Uopqa_uY0gB_qL

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 07, 2024 01:38 AM (HZLHo)

425 C'mon, Horde, Ballz to the Walz !!!
Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at August 07, 2024 01:22

Yikes, what a freak. He's been to RED China over 30 times tells me more than I need to know. And the Chicoms helped pay for him taking US HS students there? I think we know where his sympathies lie.

Howdy DDS, hope you are fine as a fiddle tonight.

Posted by: Farmer, with my own historical take at August 07, 2024 01:39 AM (55Qr6)

426
Mrs. Walz is getting into Winnie Mandela territory, looks like.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at August 07, 2024 01:41 AM (w6EFb)

427 Fishing Crane Lake MN (Boundary Waters) with DadA and we got to watch a Canadair CL-415 working for an hour. Line up on a long stretch, scoop, power out, fly 2 ridges over, dump, repeat. IIRC it took 7 minutes a cycle. Wasn't any smoke after a 1/2 dozen passes.

Posted by: DaveA at August 07, 2024 01:41 AM (FhXTo)

428 This would be fun-

The Moron Jukebox

Submit submissions

Out of the 140 songs on an original jukebox, there would be many...coincidences

Posted by: Miklos knows how to hijack a jukebox at August 07, 2024 01:42 AM (lSyD7)

429 Well, getting close enough to midnight for me to shut it down. Night, Horde.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 07, 2024 01:45 AM (HZLHo)

430 Mrs. Walz is getting into Winnie Mandela territory, looks like.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley

We are interested

https://tinyurl.com/4kdzemhv

Posted by: The South Carolina Used Tire Initiative at August 07, 2024 01:47 AM (lSyD7)

431 Well, getting close enough to midnight for me to shut it down. Night, Horde.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

day get shorter

Night be longer

prepare igloo and winter foods

Posted by: First Person Miklos at August 07, 2024 01:49 AM (lSyD7)

432
Yep, I thought I remembered it. There was House episode back in 2006, "Skin Deep" that was about a CAIS patient. Long story, but basically a beautiful teenage model has some strange problems.

House goes through various rabbit holes of this and that (Lupus or not, etc, etc). Turns out she has cancer, but where. Turns out to be her testicles. She is CAIS. House immediately starts calling her a he. (This was in the Before Tranny Time, and wouldn't be allowed today).

She refuses to believe it, yanks off her gown, "See, I'm a girl, I'm beautiful!' House replies, "That's just the cancer talking. Put your clothes back on, and then I'm gonna cut off your balls. You'll be fine".

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at August 07, 2024 01:50 AM (w6EFb)

433 I was really hoping that Walter Freeman would show up here tonight and share his unvarnished feelings about Tampon Tim.

Miklos, I would put some Elvis on the jukebox, this specifically, it just melts me every time.

https://youtu.be/vGJTaP6anOU?si=Wx5VsJS0vr7vBFWp

Hope that I don't blow the margins, my real name is not Kamala.

Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at August 07, 2024 01:52 AM (Sgq8y)

434 i dont no wat CAIS mean

Posted by: Miklos, Gen XY at August 07, 2024 01:53 AM (lSyD7)

435 Miklos, I would put some Elvis on the jukebox, this specifically, it just melts me every time.

https://youtu.be/vGJTaP6anOU?si=Wx5VsJS0vr7vBFWp

Hope that I don't blow the margins, my real name is not Kamala.
Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz

I was the karaoke Elvis champ one year at Balaton.

That song.

"Encore" or "Vissza, Vissza" in Hungarian were less succesful.

Maybe I didn't treat them as well as I should have.

Posted by: Miklos, challenges Debby to a an Elvis karaoke-off ( thank you very much) at August 07, 2024 01:58 AM (lSyD7)

436 The A-10 Thunderbolt II (low & slow) Warthog FTW!

--------------

While working as a federal contractor (Ford Aerospace operating "electronic AAA threat sites") in the late 80's, was out on the The Nevada Test and Training Range (NTTR) when I saw an A-10 Warthog go down in the desert.

Also knew an F-117 Nighthawk pilot (living in Las Vegas) who told me one night (in 1986) that one of these had recently crashed in Sequoia National Forest, California.

The U.S. government quarantined the entire area, and the Air Force attempted to keep the identity of the aircraft secret -- replacing the wreckage with that of a McDonnell F-101A Voodoo.

Posted by: ShainS -- Cat Ladies for Trump & Vance! at August 07, 2024 02:00 AM (lY72Y)

437
There's a Debby, a bad Debby down here off the coast that has dumped over 16" of rain around Charleston.

Depending, Thursday it may get a little breezy here, and maybe 1 - 2" of rain. I'm right of the edge of where she'll get. Could be more, could be less, depending on just where Debby decides to go.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at August 07, 2024 02:00 AM (w6EFb)

438 Remember this one? US woman found chained to tree in India, tied HERSELF up, police say

https://mol.im/a/13715307

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, i cervelli AI sono molto stupidi #24 at August 07, 2024 02:01 AM (qfLjt)

439 Ask me about the Budapest Elvis impersonator contest.

Or don't

Toooo much to explain

Posted by: Miklos, lifting Elvis lip (right half of upper lip) at August 07, 2024 02:01 AM (lSyD7)

440 Earthquake? Maybe i was dozing off.

Posted by: SFGoth at August 07, 2024 02:04 AM (KAi1n)

441 i dont no wat CAIS mean

Posted by: Miklos, Gen XY at August 07, 2024 01:53 AM (lSyD7)

-------------------

Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome.

At least it's NOT Lupus ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Cat Ladies for Trump & Vance! at August 07, 2024 02:04 AM (lY72Y)

442 Moron Jukebox: 'Mustang Sally', The Commitments.

Or pretty much anything from that soundtrack.

Posted by: RickZ at August 07, 2024 02:05 AM (gKDq2)

443 I'm in Santa Clarita at the moment (northern end of LA). It did roll along for quite a while! I'm also seeing as high as 5.6.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia

So, you felt it through the grapevine.

Posted by: SFGoth at August 07, 2024 02:07 AM (KAi1n)

444 Did the Japs have enough fire planes to put out Hiroshima after the main event?

Seems their concern was only viscerally noted.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 07, 2024 02:08 AM (2UBPP)

445 Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome.

At least it's NOT Lupus ...
Posted by: ShainS

I might be allergic to that

Posted by: Miklos, telling his Health care Professional at August 07, 2024 02:09 AM (lSyD7)

446 Cause of death for girl, 8, who died flying on vacation is revealed - adrenal cortex disease. Surprised she made it this far.

https://mol.im/a/13715067

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, i cervelli AI sono molto stupidi #25 at August 07, 2024 02:10 AM (qfLjt)

447 The REAL Doug Emhoff: Affair, arms dealer work & 'feminist' rebrand

https://mol.im/a/13712047

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, e infedele #26 at August 07, 2024 02:12 AM (qfLjt)

448 I think it is fair to know the gender of the person you get into bed with, and may wake up with, and when that might change
Posted by: Miklos thinks Fair is Fair at August 07, 2024 12:53 AM (lSyD7)
-

I will be submitting to Hollywood a script for a new woke Transformers sequel.

Don't worry. You'll get your 10%.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at August 07, 2024 02:13 AM (e3SEJ)

449 New Illinois law aims to give free ID cards to citizens leaving correctional facilities

https://tinyurl.com/57k6fhyu

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, galleotti #27 at August 07, 2024 02:14 AM (qfLjt)

450 FBI agents raid Republican amid campaign finance 'mistakes'

https://mol.im/a/13715765

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, galleotti #28 at August 07, 2024 02:16 AM (qfLjt)

451 >>> I think it is fair to know the gender of the person you get into bed with, and may wake up with, and when that might change
Posted by: Miklos thinks Fair is Fair

>Egads. Your penchant for gender diplomacy is so sickeningly sweet, I'm about to have a genital seizure.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at August 07, 2024 02:17 AM (2UBPP)

452 FBI agents raid Republican amid campaign finance 'mistakes'

https://mol.im/a/13715765
Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, galleotti #28 at August 07, 2024 02:16 AM (qfLjt)
-

Hunted by the junta.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at August 07, 2024 02:18 AM (e3SEJ)

453 Good night, Horde, I am trying to adjust my sleep pattern a bit, it has been recommended by experienced medical providers. They think that I should reduce stress, if that were actually possible I might have done it decades ago.

Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at August 07, 2024 02:19 AM (Sgq8y)

454 They think that I should reduce stress, if that were actually possible I might have done it decades ago.
Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at August 07, 2024 02:19 AM (Sgq8y)
-

You can reduce stress tremendously. You'll have to flip a swish.

You need to become selfish. I don't mean selfish as in taking candy from a baby.

I mean selfish as in putting the plane's oxygen mask on your face before applying it to your child.

You need to fully recharge yourself first before expending physical and mental energy on others.

The best is if you do this right, you'll have better energy to expend on others and simultaneously be less stressed out.

Don't let everything and everyone else drain you out. Stop that!

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at August 07, 2024 02:25 AM (e3SEJ)

455 Good night, Horde, I am trying to adjust my sleep pattern a bit, it has been recommended by experienced medical providers. They think that I should reduce stress, if that were actually possible I might have done it decades ago.
Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz

Sweet arms of Morpheus (no homo)

Posted by: Miklos, me too at August 07, 2024 02:26 AM (lSyD7)

456 The coroner's report on the little girl also mentioned that she had several infections, including strep and enterovirus. Sounds like there were also contributing factors?

Posted by: Lirio100 at August 07, 2024 02:28 AM (I5U35)

457 Well, we know they've eaten Dog...

Joey Mannarino

@JoeyMannarinoUS
If Democrats can insinuate that JD Vance fucked his couch, I can insinuate that Tim Walz fucked his dog.

Stop being afraid to fight these people how they fight you.

Posted by: Mister Ghost at August 07, 2024 02:35 AM (TGPs7)

458 I sat on the deck tonight and looked out at our backyard.

Flash, our 1 yo Gordon Setter, was chewing on a stick laying in the middle of the grass he has destroyed. It was dusk just a beautiful few minutes before the sun set.

A nice peaceful moment and I appreciated what we have here, for a moment.

Then came inside, watched the news, Walz is Kamala's VP pick. That anyone would find them acceptable is mind boggling. Doesn't fly around here.

What a strange world we live in.

Posted by: Farmer, with my own historical take at August 07, 2024 02:41 AM (55Qr6)

459 Farmer, I guess that you weren't on the blog today, it was walz to walz Walz. I denounce my self, good night.

Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at August 07, 2024 02:45 AM (Sgq8y)

460
To paraphrase LBJ, make him deny he fucked his dog.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at August 07, 2024 02:49 AM (w6EFb)

461 450 FBI agents raid Republican amid campaign finance 'mistakes'

https://mol.im/a/13715765
Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, galleotti #28 at August 07, 2024 02:16 AM (qfLjt)

And they were working with both the FBI and Fed Elections Board to fix any problems.

But, they took his cell phone? This is just election interference... plain and simple.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 07, 2024 02:49 AM (xaFKb)

462 I figured he might be a Manchurian candidate, but it's possible
he's the latest CIA Patsy & Spook...

Laura Loomer
@LauraLoomer
Can’t wait for all of
@GovTimWalz
Tim Walz’s ties to the CIA and his “activities” in China to come out.

He wasn’t just over in China “teaching”.

Kamala Harris just chose a VP who is intimately involved with the CIA.

That should concern all of you.

Posted by: Mister Ghost at August 07, 2024 02:50 AM (TGPs7)

463 440 Earthquake? Maybe i was dozing off.
Posted by: SFGoth at August 07, 2024 02:04 AM (KAi1n)

Yeah, I'm halfway between San Fran and Bakersfield... and I did not feel it... although I think I was in the shower....

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 07, 2024 02:52 AM (xaFKb)

464 Comment I like on X. "After reading about Tim Walz's stances on major issues I can only assume he was picked as the VP nominee because Satan was unavailable."

Posted by: no one of any consequence at August 07, 2024 02:52 AM (+H2BX)

465 Hello all. Got a little insomnia here.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at August 07, 2024 02:52 AM (+H2BX)

466 438 Remember this one? US woman found chained to tree in India, tied HERSELF up, police say

https://mol.im/a/13715307
Posted by: Ciampino
.....................................
Damn. That means India will send this crazy Karen back to the US. We got enough of them. Maybe India can lose her somewhere. Lots of jungle in that part of Asia.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at August 07, 2024 02:54 AM (sAmhv)

467 He wasn’t just over in China “teaching”.

Kamala Harris just chose a VP who is intimately involved with the CIA.

That should concern all of you.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at August 07, 2024 02:50 AM (TGPs7)

LOL, went to go look up his Wife to see if she was Chinese... Nope... but looks like a younger Hilary Clinton.... SCARY.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 07, 2024 02:54 AM (xaFKb)

468 Yeah, I'm halfway between San Fran and Bakersfield... and I did not feel it... although I think I was in the shower....
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 07, 2024 02:52

Tell us more of your vibrations in the shower...

Romeo13fanclub

Posted by: Farmer, with my own historical take at August 07, 2024 02:55 AM (55Qr6)

469 When the Northridge quake hit, we lived in Oceanside. I felt the bed move and thought that my wife was pleasuring herself. LOL

5.6? LOL. C'mon man. That's called "Tuesday."

Posted by: no one of any consequence at August 07, 2024 03:04 AM (+H2BX)

470 @JoeyMannarinoUS
If Democrats can insinuate that JD Vance f***** his couch, I can insinuate that Tim Walz f***** his dog.

Stop being afraid to fight these people how they fight you.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at August 07, 2024 02:35 AM (TGPs7)
-

You don't need to make up lies to use the expletive against Tampon Tim:

https://tinyurl.com/mwu5avth

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at August 07, 2024 03:05 AM (e3SEJ)

471 And just like that, dead.

Posted by: SFGoth at August 07, 2024 03:07 AM (KAi1n)

472 470 @JoeyMannarinoUS
If Democrats can insinuate that JD Vance f***** his couch, I can insinuate that Tim Walz f***** his dog.

Stop being afraid to fight these people how they fight you.
Posted by: Mister Ghost at August 07, 2024 02:35 AM (TGPs7)
-

You don't need to make up lies to use the expletive against Tampon Tim:

https://tinyurl.com/mwu5avth
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at August 07, 2024 03:05 AM (e3SEJ)

The Mannarino way sounds like schoolyard taunts and it's getting tiresome. I'm with Biden's Dog on this: You don't need to make up lies.

Posted by: m at August 07, 2024 03:10 AM (64Zez)

473 And just like that, dead.
Posted by: SFGoth at August 07, 2024 03:07

That was sudden. Do you think the SS is behind this?

Posted by: Worried Citizen

Posted by: Farmer, with my own historical take at August 07, 2024 03:10 AM (55Qr6)

474 Charlie Kirk

@charliekirk11
Ben Stiller announces he is donating $150K to Kamala Harris and then says:

"I wish I was black—every white Jewish guy wishes he was black."

Posted by: Mister Ghost at August 07, 2024 03:12 AM (TGPs7)

475 @charliekirk11
Ben Stiller announces he is donating $150K to Kamala Harris and then says:

"I wish I was black—every white Jewish guy wishes he was black."
Posted by: Mister Ghost at August 07, 2024 03:12 AM (TGPs7)
-

And he's not even Jewish to begin with. Maybe that will make it easier for him to become black.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at August 07, 2024 03:14 AM (e3SEJ)

476 471 And just like that, dead.
Posted by: SFGoth at August 07, 2024 03:07 AM (KAi1n)

What, who?

Posted by: m at August 07, 2024 03:20 AM (64Zez)

477 "I wish I was black—every white Jewish guy wishes he was black."
--------

That right there, has got to be one of *the dumbest* statements I've ever read.

Pointless. Idiotic.

Posted by: JQ at August 07, 2024 03:24 AM (njWTi)

478 474 Charlie Kirk

@charliekirk11
Ben Stiller announces he is donating $150K to Kamala Harris and then says:

"I wish I was black—every white Jewish guy wishes he was black."
Posted by: Mister Ghost

David French wishes he was black.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at August 07, 2024 03:26 AM (sAmhv)

479 Walz looks physically like a cross between Tim Kaine (sp?) and John McCain. Except he has resting bitch face; seriously, his mouth goes into a frown shaped like this:

⌢

Posted by: m at August 07, 2024 03:26 AM (64Zez)

480 Back to bed.

Stay frosty.

Posted by: no one of any consequence at August 07, 2024 03:31 AM (+H2BX)

481 Forget the changing color BS... I wish I had $150K, just burnin' a hole in my pocket!

Posted by: JQ at August 07, 2024 03:35 AM (njWTi)

482 477 "I wish I was black—every white Jewish guy wishes he was black."
--------

That right there, has got to be one of *the dumbest* statements I've ever read.

Pointless. Idiotic.
Posted by: JQ at August 07, 2024 03:24 AM (njWTi)

And divisive. And pandering.

Posted by: m at August 07, 2024 03:38 AM (64Zez)

483
DogeDesigner

@cb_doge
BREAKING: Donald Trump says he will be doing an interview with Elon Musk on Monday night.

Posted by: Mister Ghost at August 07, 2024 03:38 AM (TGPs7)

484 467 He wasn’t just over in China “teaching”.
----
He went to China something like 30 times. Borrowing from DDS, @459 it was walz to walz Walz as he was rebuilding the Great Walz of China brick by brick!

Posted by: Shitting bricks.

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, sono galleotti #29 at August 07, 2024 03:44 AM (qfLjt)

485 Tim Walz last week: “Don't ever shy away from our progressive values. One person's socialism is another person's neighborliness."

https://tinyurl.com/4czpvmk8

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, sono galleotti #30 at August 07, 2024 03:46 AM (qfLjt)

486 Time to rise and shine

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2024 03:46 AM (fwDg9)

487 I was referring to the ONT

Posted by: SFGoth at August 07, 2024 03:48 AM (KAi1n)

488 487 I was referring to the ONT
Posted by: SFGoth at August 07, 2024 03:48 AM (KAi1n)

aha

Posted by: m at August 07, 2024 03:48 AM (64Zez)

489 Well, at least Kumswalla "chose" a crappy veep that we can pick apart.

Question:

Are the demonrats giving up? or...

Are they really gonna cheat these 2 losers in & rub our noses in it?

Haha, I'm *breathless with anticipation*

Posted by: JQ at August 07, 2024 03:49 AM (njWTi)

490 The 20-something paid "influencers" who are all agog saying "Tim Walz! It's a dream ticket. We are gonna win."
...

Posted by: m at August 07, 2024 03:50 AM (64Zez)

491 Tim Walz's deep links to China

https://mol.im/a/13715483

So honeymoon with wife and honeymoon with China in China?

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, sono galleotti #31 at August 07, 2024 03:54 AM (qfLjt)

492 485 Tim Walz last week: “Don't ever shy away from our progressive values. One person's socialism is another person's neighborliness."

https://tinyurl.com/4czpvmk8
Posted by: Ciampino

See! We were being neighborly!

Posted by: Khmer Rouge at August 07, 2024 03:58 AM (sAmhv)

493 "I wish I was black—every white Jewish guy wishes he was black."
--------
That right there, has got to be one of *the dumbest* statements I've ever read.
Pointless. Idiotic.
Posted by: JQ at August 07, 2024 03:24 AM (njWTi)

And divisive. And pandering.
Posted by: m at August 07, 2024 03:38
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Self loathing, what is the point? I'm not guilty for anything I haven't done. Idiot.

Posted by: Farmer, with my own historical take at August 07, 2024 03:58 AM (55Qr6)

494 @charliekirk11
Ben Stiller announces he is donating $150K to Kamala Harris and then says:

"I wish I was black—every white Jewish guy wishes he was black."
Posted by: Mister Ghost
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Ben, it can be arranged.

Posted by: Coalition of Kiwi Shoepolish, Mars Bar, Necrotic Lesion

Posted by: Ciampino - Si Ispettore, sono galleotti #32 at August 07, 2024 03:59 AM (qfLjt)

495 Good morning, insomaniacals! I stopped to peruse the thread, not because I'm specifically an airplane fan (though I built enough plastic models of them once), but because Roger presents the history of aviation and machinery so well. Kudos!

We'll shortly have the Tech Thread; I'll save my Hiroshima comments for that. Everybody get enough sleep so far?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 07, 2024 04:02 AM (omVj0)

496 "influencer"

Bleh. Can't think of any 'title' LESS respectable than that one.

But I guess there are millions of idiotic kids what watch thicktok all day and, unfortunately, many of them will cast their mis/dis/mal/informed votes.

hang on...

I need another dose of Effitol....

Posted by: JQ at August 07, 2024 04:02 AM (njWTi)

497 How did a Marxist get elected in Minnesota?

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2024 04:02 AM (fwDg9)

498 How did a Marxist get elected in Minnesota?
Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2024 04:02 AM (fwDg9)
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How are they getting elected everywhere?

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at August 07, 2024 04:06 AM (e3SEJ)

499 How did a Marxist get elected in Minnesota?
Posted by: Skip

Dooood....

Minnesota!

Posted by: JQ at August 07, 2024 04:06 AM (njWTi)

500 Ben Stiller is on tape saying that KH is one of the best human beings he knows, or words to that effect . . . and yet he has never met her. He doesn't say, "She seems to me to be" whatever, he states it as if he knows her well.

Jerry Stiller's son? I wonder if Jerry and Anne (Meara, Ben's mother) would endorse what their son has become?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 07, 2024 04:08 AM (omVj0)

501 Skip: Minnesota is weird.

Wolfus: I sleep all day, work all night. Except on nights off when I putter around and keep busy all night. I try to keep the same schedule when I'm off. Not quite a vampire but close.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at August 07, 2024 04:08 AM (sAmhv)

502 How did a Marxist get elected in Minnesota?
Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2024

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One word: Minneapolis. And cheating, but of course Minneapolis is the big thing.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 07, 2024 04:09 AM (omVj0)

503 The history of Communism isn't taught or is taught my Marxists. Youngin's don't know the horrors of Communism.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at August 07, 2024 04:10 AM (sAmhv)

504 How are they [marxists] getting elected everywhere?
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By pretending to be other-than-marxist, *and* (likely) ballot fraud.

Same as any other "dem"

Posted by: JQ at August 07, 2024 04:11 AM (njWTi)

505 Wolfus: I sleep all day, work all night. Except on nights off when I putter around and keep busy all night. I try to keep the same schedule when I'm off. Not quite a vampire but close.
Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at August 07, 2024

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Puddleglum, my mother was an RN on private duty. She pretty much did the same, though she had to be up in the daytime for us kids when she was off. I'm not sure how she did it. To me, an unconventional working-sleeping schedule is perfectly normal.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 07, 2024 04:12 AM (omVj0)

506 Question:
Are the demonrats giving up? or...
Are they really gonna cheat these 2 losers in & rub our noses in it?
Haha, I'm *breathless with anticipation*
Posted by: JQ at August 07, 2024 03:49

I'm like you, WTF will they allow? I think Nancy and the Dems are willing to lose the presidency if they think they can control Congress. Weasley MFers.

Posted by: Farmer, with my own historical take at August 07, 2024 04:12 AM (55Qr6)

507 Cripes. If the D's take the House, it's all over.

It's bad enough already, but they'll spend us over the edge as fast as they can.

Ok, I got enough nightmare fuel now!

G'night, horde.

Keep praying!

Posted by: JQ at August 07, 2024 04:17 AM (njWTi)

508 A quick review of lefty news this morning has them echo-chambering Trump is "losing it!" over Kamala's seizure of the Dem nomination. Also, it is Trump, not Harris, who is antisemitic.

Where do they get these crazy ideas, you ask? Well, the Bulwark published Adam Kinzinger. Now, there's a mash up of looney for you!

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 07, 2024 04:55 AM (uqTQ6)

509 Pixy's up!

Posted by: m at August 07, 2024 06:05 AM (64Zez)

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