Gun Thread: Vacation Over Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

When this goes up Sunday I'll just be getting back from Surf City, N.C. where we spent a week with an old friend and had a really great time. Just the right mix of stuff to do and not much to do, including a short walk to the beach and a perfect porch with comfy chairs for smoking cigars. Anything happen while I was gone? Hopefully this should be the last of the rip-off editions assuming I get my non-vacationing shit together. Thanks for your patience!

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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FUNdamentals
Is there anyone practicing WeaselDoctrine and thinking the focus on fundamentals is making you a worse shooter?

Managing recoil discussion with our pal Hickok45.

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And trigger work with an enormous watch wearer.

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Question For All Y'all

Anyone familiar with the Kimber Micro 9? Any ownership or shooting experience with the model? Please tell me it's good because I just ordered one.

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Beretta 30X
Moving along, this little guy looks pretty neat-o. I like this size for dropping into a front pocket when I make an emergency trip to 7-11 for Slim-Jims and don't want to take the time to go full tactitard.
Pro Tip: Never go full tactitard.

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Olympical Shooting!

So not all of the Olympics are totally gay.

U.S. Shooting Team Website

Competition Schedule & Results

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FFP v SFP

Wondering about First Focal Plane and Second Focal Plane optics? Wonder no more!

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Handgun 101
Loading & Unloading a Pistol - a refresher.

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Actually Helpful Content Warning

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The Atomic Brain!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

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1 Hello horde!

Posted by: TRex at July 28, 2024 07:00 PM (IQ6Gq)

2 Good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at July 28, 2024 07:00 PM (fwDg9)

3 Hi!

Posted by: Auspex at July 28, 2024 07:01 PM (j4U/Z)

4 th!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 28, 2024 07:01 PM (0XVad)

5 A thread for the non-coq-curious!

Posted by: andycanuck (wse2C) at July 28, 2024 07:02 PM (wse2C)

6 Howdy Weasel!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at July 28, 2024 07:02 PM (W/lyH)

7 Yay! Gubs!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 28, 2024 07:02 PM (Wnv9h)

8 Here!
But ribs first!
BBL.

Posted by: RI Red at July 28, 2024 07:04 PM (ZCQSS)

9 Howdy all!

Posted by: The Word Police at July 28, 2024 07:05 PM (3rnQf)

10 Good evening and thank you once again for the thread, weasel!

Have I been to the range? Bears and Pope, baby, bears and Pope!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 28, 2024 07:06 PM (tT6L1)

11 Here!
But ribs first!
BBL.
Posted by: RI Red at July 28, 2024 07:04 PM

Mmmm...ribs.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 28, 2024 07:06 PM (Wnv9h)

12 Gubs with window cleaning.... wonders will never cease!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 28, 2024 07:06 PM (OzHHn)

13 For once I can post since I own the Kimber Micro 9, my only gun. Love it though I do have trouble racking it due to weak hands from rheumatism. Not a gun issue, an operator issue.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at July 28, 2024 07:06 PM (2NHgQ)

14 Just finished off a Sobramesa Creme Brulee Blue. That, and it's somewhat more spicy cousin, the Wagashi, have easily occupied the position of my "go-to" cigars when the mood strikes.

Posted by: PabloD at July 28, 2024 07:07 PM (yhCZc)

15 I keep waiting for something stupid to crop up that pre-empts the gun thread. Seems to have been a thing the last couple of weeks.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 28, 2024 07:07 PM (tT6L1)

16 My EDC carry is a SiG P938 in 9mm.

I'm pretty convinced that it and the Kimber Micro 9 are in fact, the exact same gun.

Ms. Cow Horse Queen's son has the Kimber, and other than stainless vs. coatings, the guns are side by side, feature by feature (other than sights); twins.

Now, my SiG has digested somewhere north of 500 rounds without fail. I'd expect your Kimber ought to do the same, or better. Oh, and the Kimber has far prettier grips, too.

Get yours broken in before October, and I'll lend you mine so you can shoot a side-by-side test and review, out on the ranch!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 28, 2024 07:07 PM (kQgoX)

17 I'll need a camera. A good one. A 35mm F2.8 with a focal plane shutter should do all right. And film, of course.

Posted by: Flight Lt Colin Blythe at July 28, 2024 07:08 PM (wse2C)

18 Still have not went to the range. We are over 7 months now without me firing a shot. Life keeps getting in the way.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 28, 2024 07:08 PM (QNSds)

19 Glad you enjoyed your well deserved vacation Weasel. How do things look at the farm? Did the trees run rampant knowing Weasel was not around to threaten them with the wood chipper? :-p

On another topic, what do you all think of the Sig Sauer 1911X?

Saw it on the website and darn doesn't it look purty.

Just might pull the trigger (pun intended) and start the paperwork to purchase one.
Remember, in the Peoples Republic of New York City I must first ask permission to purchase a handgun before I go buy a handgun.
Lord, let me win the lottery so I can move out of this place.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 28, 2024 07:09 PM (0XVad)

20 I finished converting a 1902 Colt New Army/Navy with no collector value, into a fixed-cylinder single-shot trainer. To explain, about 30 years ago I donated $20 to my lowlife biker neighbor in exchange for what he generously termed a .38 revolver. How long ago this was, is explained by $20 buying said lowlife neighbor both gas and beer.

I'll be posting this idiotic project on Colt Forum for no other reason than to troll the museum-piece investors there who honestly irritate me.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 07:09 PM (bFId9)

21 >>> First Focal Plane and Second Focal Plane optics?

FFP if you can afford it?
Otherwise you will be getting SFP.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 28, 2024 07:10 PM (cOq4q)

22 Been thinking about getting a small-light carry. Micro 9 will go into consideration.

Posted by: Mr. Ray at July 28, 2024 07:10 PM (eeYo9)

23 No range time this week but made a couple of bulk ammo purchases. Then I had to buy some more ammo cans to store it.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at July 28, 2024 07:10 PM (3rnQf)

24 Hiya weasel!

Range time yesterday. It was therapeutic range time for son #1. He's had some stuff going on and needed a pick-me-up.

So, he brought his Mossburg shotty and MAE brought along another shotty and we made big booms with a good kick and there were lots of smiles.

Shottys make me laugh.

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 28, 2024 07:12 PM (HXGNm)

25 Ola, ca va?

Oy, just in between a break in giving grunts enemy weapon lessons. My voice is shot already.
It takes two hours to pack the couple of dozen machine guns, SMG's, pistols and rifles into weapons travel cases, an hour to un-pack and set up the lesson and then all in reverse tonight when I am finished. Gahh.

Did have time yesterday to play with an Element Optics immersive 5 x 30 prism scope. Very good thing for a particular job. Glad I have it.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 07:12 PM (bgJ0E)

26 I don't like 9mm sub compacts.
I've had blood, snow, slush, grease on my hands and autos slip around, revolvers handle better. I do the J-Frame.
I have no opinions here really, I just won't do small autos. I carry a full-frame military auto at night when nobody cares, but autos to me are for belt carry. During the day it's J-frame all the way.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 07:12 PM (bFId9)

27 Been thinking about getting a small-light carry. Micro 9 will go into consideration.

Posted by: Mr. Ray at July 28, 2024 07:10 PM

You have a ton of choices to pick from.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 28, 2024 07:13 PM (QNSds)

28 Gub!

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 28, 2024 07:13 PM (mH6SG)

29 Yes, it's a Winter Olympic event, but biathlon I find crazy.

You ski cross country, and at various point, shoot, with a .22 rifle (IIRC) a target the size of a CD (again, IIRC). So your heart should be pumping rapidly from the physical activity then you have to shoot that target successfully, five times.

Incredible.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 28, 2024 07:14 PM (8sMut)

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Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at July 28, 2024 07:06 PM (2NHgQ)
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Thank you! Mind if I ask what bullet weight you're using? I've seen some reviews that 115gr have an issue cycling.

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 07:14 PM (uGpeQ)

31 Hay-o! Gun Thread time!
Top 50!

Posted by: GWB at July 28, 2024 07:14 PM (AWrpC)

32 Hiya, Nurse!!!

Posted by: PabloD at July 28, 2024 07:15 PM (yhCZc)

33 I carried a Yugo M57 in a Russian custom holster for years. I do miss that gun, sometimes. I do have it still I just don't shoot it, but I loved, loved carrying it. Slim and solid.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 07:15 PM (bFId9)

34 Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and special thanks for hosting to Weasel!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at July 28, 2024 07:15 PM (v23vE)

35 Hey Weasel! Got that Micro's twin. Gorgeous piece but... a bit snappy & finicky. Carried for long while & earned a nice place in my case. Now that I'm into my eighth decade, the pocket has a Bursa Thunder 380. And yes, SG & Palmetto are the best!

Posted by: Aldo at July 28, 2024 07:15 PM (A/j4Z)

36 27 Been thinking about getting a small-light carry. Micro 9 will go into consideration.

Posted by: Mr. Ray at July 28, 2024 07:10 PM

You have a ton of choices to pick from.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 28, 2024 07:13 PM (QNSds)

Like a pair of shoes. Try out different guns. See what works best for you. I like my G26 but wouldn't mind switching to the Sig P365 at some point (because I am a Sig fanboy).

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 28, 2024 07:15 PM (8sMut)

37 I watched The Atomic Brain many years ago. One woman got a cat's brain transplanted into her head.

Didn't change her much. (/ducks/)

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 28, 2024 07:16 PM (CHHv1)

38 Well, since you already ordered it, I won't recommend the SIG P938 instead of it, but I will say having an external extractor means its less finicky than the Kimber. Nothing wrong with an internal extractor if done right, but we're talking modern Kimber here...

Posted by: Croak at July 28, 2024 07:16 PM (YVaDw)

39 jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!
Or, based on some of the de-lurking, what kind of shooting you would like to do!

Posted by: GWB at July 28, 2024 07:16 PM (AWrpC)

40 Speaking of micro 9

I have a Springfield Armory EMP Ronin which I love. It is a 1911 mini frame and I shoot it well. I can conceal carry it in a corset holster or off body. I love the cock and lock like a 1911 and it is heavy, so recoil is not bad at all.

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 28, 2024 07:16 PM (HXGNm)

41 Safe is still full of guns and ammo, because I still haven't gotten to the range in ages.

I really should go to finish the sight adjustment on my braced 9mm, that I've had in the back of the safe while it was illegal.

I also need the charging handle installed. Again didn't want to put a gunsmith in an awkward situation.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 28, 2024 07:17 PM (5p7BC)

42 I watched The Atomic Brain many years ago. One woman got a cat's brain transplanted into her head.

Didn't change her much. (/ducks/)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm

So, she really became a cat lady?

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 28, 2024 07:17 PM (VNX3d)

43 MST3K did The Atomic Brain.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 28, 2024 07:17 PM (63Dwl)

44 Posted by: Jim at July 28, 2024 07:07 PM (kQgoX)
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Thx Jim!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 07:17 PM (uGpeQ)

45 Do you have to adjust watch size to compensate for a micro sized gub?

Posted by: TRex at July 28, 2024 07:17 PM (IQ6Gq)

46 I do like my SIG P365XL for when I want something with a little more gas than a J-Frame or pocket .380, but don't have the room to accommodate a Glock 17 or 1911. YMMV.

Posted by: PabloD at July 28, 2024 07:18 PM (yhCZc)

47 Yes, it's a Winter Olympic event, but biathlon I find crazy.
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Ah. Crazy-good not bad.

Very good.

Posted by: Flight Lt Colin Blythe at July 28, 2024 07:18 PM (wse2C)

48 enormous watch wearer

You know, Weasel, that us military folk make acronyms of everything. And that one works out to EWW. As in ewwwww.

Posted by: GWB at July 28, 2024 07:18 PM (AWrpC)

49 So, following up to last week's monumental success, for me, at the 1,000 yard line. I checked the firearms I was up against. Pretty much across the board they were 6.5 Creedmoor with a 7mm SAUM in the mix.

And there I am with an archaic 30.06 shooting middle of the pack with a 91 out of a possible 100. And I know I can do better simply because the rifle is far more accurate than I am, right now.

I'm looking at two different loads for the .06. Hornady makes a 174 grain Match bullet I can push down the barrel at around 2850 fps. But, It may be the larger slower 208 grain ELD M will give me a bit better downrange performance.

I'm going to work out the loads for both and see which give me better accuracy. If I don't see a difference in accuracy, larger slower with better downrange ballistics will win. I think.

Funny side note: when I was shooting the development loads, the groups I got were exactly as described, based on powder load. The progression was: Hottest load was also the most accurate.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 28, 2024 07:18 PM (tT6L1)

50 Off, going-blind sock.

Posted by: andycanuck (wse2C) at July 28, 2024 07:18 PM (wse2C)

51 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 28, 2024 07:09 PM (0XVad)
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I have a Sig 1911 that I really like.

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 07:18 PM (uGpeQ)

52 Remember, in the Peoples Republic of New York City I must first ask permission to purchase a handgun before I go buy a handgun.
Lord, let me win the lottery so I can move out of this place.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 28, 2024 07:09 PM (0XVad)

Why do you need a gun, comrade? Also, why are you thinking of leaving the workers' and peasants' paradise...comrade?

Posted by: People's Republic of New York at July 28, 2024 07:19 PM (8sMut)

53 Or, based on some of the de-lurking, what kind of shooting you would like to do!
Posted by: GWB'

I belong to a private club that allows 24/7/365 attendance but at night one must use the 50-foot indoor range. I go shooting with center-fire at least 3 times a week, it's a 10-minute drive from my house. I usually go between 12:00-04:00, there is nobody there and I prefer it that way.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 07:19 PM (bFId9)

54 I'm going to check that out Nurse. I'm not happy with my Ruger lcp II.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 28, 2024 07:19 PM (5p7BC)

55 Hiya Pablo D! How's the fires going sown your way?

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 28, 2024 07:19 PM (HXGNm)

56 So not all of the Olympics are totally gay.

No, but FarceBook is for restricting an Olympic shooter's (I think) page because he has icky AIRguns on it.

Posted by: GWB at July 28, 2024 07:20 PM (AWrpC)

57 Remember, in the Peoples Republic of New York City I must first ask permission to purchase a handgun before I go buy a handgun.
Lord, let me win the lottery so I can move out of this place.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 28, 2024 07:09 PM (0XVad)

Why do you need a gun, comrade? Also, why are you thinking of leaving the workers' and peasants' paradise...comrade?
Posted by: People's Republic of New York

You want a gun? Here, you may purchase this water gun, the Little Cricket. You may thank us later for receiving this permission.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 28, 2024 07:20 PM (VNX3d)

58 I am watching the Atomic Brain tonight! Looks perfectly kitschy. But first, the pool. Thanks, Weasel!

Posted by: Piper at July 28, 2024 07:21 PM (ZdaMQ)

59 I may hit a range in S.A. when I finally go down there for my long awaited site survey in a month or so.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 28, 2024 07:21 PM (8sMut)

60 Posted by: Aldo at July 28, 2024 07:15 PM (A/j4Z)
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Howdy and Welcome! Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 07:21 PM (uGpeQ)

61 I do like my SIG P365XL for when I want something with a little more gas than a J-Frame or pocket .380, but don't have the room to accommodate a Glock 17 or 1911. YMMV.

Posted by: PabloD at July 28, 2024 07:18 PM

I picked up the Glock 43X and put in the steel mag release to use the Shield Arms 15 round magazines. It's a keeper. I am planning on trying the 147 grain HP's in it next time I finally get to the range. There is minimal recoil with the 115 grain bullets, so I think I should be ok with the heavier bullets.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 28, 2024 07:21 PM (QNSds)

62 Nurse - yesterday it was like Dante's Inferno, most likely due to the winds carrying smoke from Chico, CA. Today it's pretty clear, with mostly blue skies. Our local fires aren't that bad, compared to other years. Howzabout your area?

Posted by: PabloD at July 28, 2024 07:22 PM (yhCZc)

63 So not all of the Olympics are totally gay.

No, but FarceBook is for restricting an Olympic shooter's (I think) page because he has icky AIRguns on it.
Posted by: GWB at July 28, 2024 07:20 PM (AWrpC)
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Off my patio I hold the Daisy Red Rider Olympics with the squirrels. Heh. Heh. Heh.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 28, 2024 07:22 PM (W/lyH)

64 56 So not all of the Olympics are totally gay.

No, but FarceBook is for restricting an Olympic shooter's (I think) page because he has icky AIRguns on it.
Posted by: GWB at July 28, 2024 07:20 PM (AWrpC)

Yep, the techies hate guns and Meta is desparate to jump into bed with an extremely powerful government, so yes, they would do such a stupid thing.

Delende est Meta.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 28, 2024 07:22 PM (8sMut)

65 Scuba_dude, we need to get you to AZ. Get an AZ CCW, walk into a gun store, put down your money, fill out the forms, show the CCW and no phone call to check if you're allowed to own a firearm.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 28, 2024 07:22 PM (tT6L1)

66 Posted by: Croak at July 28, 2024 07:16 PM (YVaDw)
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Thanks! Good points.

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 07:23 PM (uGpeQ)

67 I also have a Sig 1911 I really like.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 28, 2024 07:24 PM (tT6L1)

68 I watched The Atomic Brain many years ago. One woman got a cat's brain transplanted into her head.

Didn't change her much. (/ducks/)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 28, 2024 07:16 PM (CHHv1)
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Considering how skilled the 'Ettes are, that's not something I'd be posting on this particular thread....

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 28, 2024 07:24 PM (BpYfr)

69 Good day at the range with the RMBS Mom. She's a little rusty, but getting back into the swing of things and adjusting to the new red dot. For my part, it's obvious that I'm going to have to reset my scope's zero stop. Last time I set it was in February at 16 degrees. It's....a little off.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 28, 2024 07:24 PM (Wnv9h)

70 Got the web page pulled up. Use of 9mm is highly attractive. I'm not a fan of having to buy 3 different ammo types.

No I don't have anything that uses .45

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 28, 2024 07:24 PM (5p7BC)

71 I carry guns all the time and I sometimes realize that since I work mostly at night, few people openly carry the way I do. At 03:00 who is out there? I've exited my car in the lot and had 'folk' approach me and I simply immediately present my gun. Why would I not? Why are you walking up on someone in an empty parking lot at 03:00? Are you selling Girl Scout Cookies?
It's a no-brainer. So I display firearms at people at a MUCH higher rate than most others.
Triggers pulled very rarely but... information of armed and display? Very common for me.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 07:25 PM (bFId9)

72 52 Why do you need a gun, comrade? Also, why are you thinking of leaving the workers' and peasants' paradise...comrade?

Posted by: People's Republic of New York at July 28, 2024 07:19 PM

Take your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty ape!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 28, 2024 07:25 PM (0XVad)

73 As to unloading firearms...

It was amazing watching American soldiers in Bosnia, every day, failing to grasp the significance of the order of unloading weapons. ALWAYS remove the magazine first. There were SO many dead clearing barrels in Tuzla....

(Of course, it would help if you used the safety on the M16, instead of pulling the trigger to release the bolt.)

Posted by: GWB at July 28, 2024 07:25 PM (AWrpC)

74 Anybody know where to send donations in memoriam for BeckoningChasm?

Posted by: PabloD at July 28, 2024 07:25 PM (yhCZc)

75 Posted by: TRex at July 28, 2024 07:17 PM (IQ6Gq)
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All good in the 40mm - 43mm range!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 07:25 PM (uGpeQ)

76 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 07:12 PM (bgJ0E)
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Howdy amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 07:26 PM (uGpeQ)

77 The local chain department store keeps having sales on pistol ammo. This is distressing, as I know if I even think, "Nah, I got enough ammo. I don't need any more," The Collapse of Western Civilization will begin. And it will all be my fault.
The clerks at the sporting goods counter know me by sight. I have decided that the day they see me coming across the store, and they automatically, without me asking, duck into the storeroom to fetch me a case of this week's sale item, will be the day I quit buying and start going to AA (Ammo Anonymous) meetings.
I need to get this Full Metal Jacketed monkey off my back.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at July 28, 2024 07:26 PM (dj3QO)

78 Got the web page pulled up. Use of 9mm is highly attractive. I'm not a fan of having to buy 3 different ammo types.

No I don't have anything that uses .45
Posted by: Dave in Fla'

Odd suggestion, do a .40 S&W. If you don't shoot much, it was much easier to get than 9mm in panics.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 07:27 PM (bFId9)

79 70 Got the web page pulled up. Use of 9mm is highly attractive. I'm not a fan of having to buy 3 different ammo types.

No I don't have anything that uses .45
Posted by: Dave in Fla
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All things equal, I prefer 45 ACP or the 40 S&W as neither are as ammo dependent for high self defense performance as the 9mm. That being said, 9mm is cheaper and even reloading for the 9mm is pretty cheap. But have to use high performing self defense ammo for carry--the cheaper gen 1 hollowpoints are inferior self defense ammo.

Posted by: whig at July 28, 2024 07:28 PM (qdbNv)

80 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 28, 2024 07:18 PM (tT6L1)
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Email me and we can discuss working up a match load if you like.

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 07:28 PM (uGpeQ)

81 Posted by: TRex at July 28, 2024 07:17 PM (IQ6Gq)
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All good in the 40mm - 43mm range!
Posted by: Weasel

Is this watch size or ammo size?

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 28, 2024 07:28 PM (VNX3d)

82 Email me and we can discuss working up a match load if you like.
Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 07:28 PM (uGpeQ)
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Will do, and thanks!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 28, 2024 07:28 PM (tT6L1)

83 Howdy amigo!
Posted by: Weasel

Giiday back at ya. Oright?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 07:29 PM (bgJ0E)

84 No I don't have anything that uses .45
Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 28, 2024 07:24 PM

*Spock eyebrow*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 28, 2024 07:29 PM (Wnv9h)

85 I got to take my O.F. Mossberg and Sons, Inc 46M (alpha) .22 rifle out for a bit a few weekends ago.

Had to borrow my cousin's rifle rest, but I managed to plug three ground squirrels!

The sight is much easier to use when I shoot right-handed...

Posted by: FeatherBlade at July 28, 2024 07:29 PM (kvrZb)

86 Lord, let me win the lottery so I can move out of this place.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 28, 2024 07:09 PM (0XVad)

Have to ask, Scoob, are you practicing the fundamentals? You know, have you actually been buying lotto tickets?

Posted by: GWB at July 28, 2024 07:29 PM (AWrpC)

87 51 I have a Sig 1911 that I really like.

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 07:18 PM

I just may have one too. If I am lucky I might be able to get it in time for the TXMoMe.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 28, 2024 07:30 PM (0XVad)

88 (goes back to lurking)

Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at July 28, 2024 07:30 PM (AZ63I)

89 Is it really a problem to buy a gun in New York? I can't even imagine it.

Posted by: Mr. Ray at July 28, 2024 07:30 PM (eeYo9)

90 Shottys make me laugh.
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 28, 2024 07:12 PM (HXGNm)

Why do I want to hear that more as an Evil Overlord laugh than a cackle or giggle?

Posted by: GWB at July 28, 2024 07:31 PM (AWrpC)

91 Hour of the Wolf - Weasel has a 40mm Bofors

Posted by: Skip at July 28, 2024 07:31 PM (fwDg9)

92 74 Anybody know where to send donations in memoriam for BeckoningChasm?
Posted by: PabloD

? Did something happen.

Posted by: whig at July 28, 2024 07:32 PM (qdbNv)

93 Hour of the Wolf - Weasel has a 40mm Bofors
Posted by: Skip at July 28, 2024 07:31 PM

Jealous. Want.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 28, 2024 07:32 PM (Wnv9h)

94 ? Did something happen.
Posted by: whig [/i[

He was being a smart alec earlier int he thread XD

Posted by: FeatherBlade at July 28, 2024 07:33 PM (kvrZb)

95
oops

Posted by: FeatherBlade at July 28, 2024 07:33 PM (kvrZb)

96 65 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 28, 2024 07:22 PM

That sounds good, but as long as I am a resident of NYC I would not be able to bring anything I purchased out of state into NYC.

Just a little over 5 more years to go. It would be 4 but I decided to go on a big vacation in 2028.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 28, 2024 07:33 PM (0XVad)

97 Hour of the Wolf - Weasel has a 40mm Bofors
Posted by: Skip at July 28, 2024 07:31 PM

Jealous. Want.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState

Me, too. Would settle for a 20mm Oerlikon.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 28, 2024 07:34 PM (VNX3d)

98 But have to use high performing self defense ammo for carry--the cheaper gen 1 hollowpoints are inferior self defense ammo.
Posted by: whig'

I run .38 Special range loads in both the J-Frame and the 9mm Tupperware. If there is one thing I've learned, it's that handgun bullets are unpredictable performers in any environment. King of The Hill is .357 Magnum but that's only in an issue length barrel with specific loads, and even then is not reliable. I gave up years ago and go with deterrent and preternatural calm bred from endless stressful situations and multiple gunfights.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 07:34 PM (bFId9)

99 Mrs. E has 2 Kimber Micro 9s. It’s what she carrys. She is very good with it, too.

Posted by: Eromero at July 28, 2024 07:34 PM (LHPAg)

100 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 07:29 PM (bgJ0E)
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All good, brother. Hope things are good with you too!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 07:34 PM (uGpeQ)

101 Scuba_dude, we need to get you to AZ. Get an AZ CCW, walk into a gun store, put down your money, fill out the forms, show the CCW and no phone call to check if you're allowed to own a firearm.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker

Also: IF you're a vet you can send a copy of your DD214 and a set of finger prints and get a CCW.
(I don't know all of AZ's CCW laws so I recommend a class anyway.)

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 28, 2024 07:35 PM (OzHHn)

102 Hi Everybody
Still buzzed from a great outing at the range with the DMV MGC.
First, I managed to change the battery on the new Holosun thanks to a tiny screwdriver in a set that Hrothgar gifted me a while back. It immediately worked and the shake awake worked fine at the range. I also learned after reading the directions, that to make sure the auto functions work, don;t turn it off. Let it go to sleep on it's own.
Second, I tried to clean the old G48 and although doing everything right, having the slide start to move,could not get the slide to come off. Blaster was kind enough to put it to rights in the parking lot

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 28, 2024 07:35 PM (t/2Uw)

103 Lord, let me win the lottery so I can move out of this place.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 28, 2024 07:09 PM (0XVad)
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I head that in the voice of Eric Burdon.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 28, 2024 07:35 PM (tT6L1)

104 He was being a smart alec earlier int he thread XD
Posted by: FeatherBlade
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Okay. Knew the nic was suffering from depression so worried a bit.

Posted by: whig at July 28, 2024 07:35 PM (qdbNv)

105 will be the day I quit buying and start going to AA (Ammo Anonymous) meetings

Lol

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 28, 2024 07:35 PM (5p7BC)

106 I have a Sig 1911 that I really like.
Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 07:18 PM
I just may have one too. If I am lucky I might be able to get it in time for the TXMoMe.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude

I have an Auto Ordnance I like and its counterpart sorta in 9mm, a Star Model B.
I was lucky enough to borrow for a string at a MoMe a 1911 .45 Berserker put together, butter smooth, just lovely to fire. The mag full all went in the same hole pretty much. I loved it. Want it.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 07:35 PM (bgJ0E)

107 Oy, just in between a break in giving grunts enemy weapon lessons.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 07:12 PM (bgJ0E)

Please tell me it went like this:
https://t.ly/kE6A2

(And, hoo boy, did Gunny violate a basic safety rule there....)

Posted by: GWB at July 28, 2024 07:36 PM (AWrpC)

108 Posted by: Eromero at July 28, 2024 07:34 PM (LHPAg)
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Good to hear! Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 07:36 PM (uGpeQ)

109 RI passed another gun lock law, and it looks like I'm going to have to do something with the family 100y/o side by side two trigger shotgun.
Does anyone know of any trigger looks that would fit something like this.
Somebody else mentioned to me something like a shell style lock that you can fit in each barrell.
Any help would be appreciated. Really don't want to buy a $500 gun safe for the one long gun in the house.

Posted by: From about That Time at July 28, 2024 07:37 PM (4780s)

110 Anybody know where to send donations in memoriam for BeckoningChasm?
Posted by: PabloD at July 28, 2024 07:25 PM (yhCZc)

I'd like contribute if pointed in the right direction.

Posted by: Mr. Ray at July 28, 2024 07:37 PM (eeYo9)

111 Good evening. Gunthusiasts .

Posted by: Ben Had at July 28, 2024 07:38 PM (5MvGY)

112 Anybody know where to send donations in memoriam for BeckoningChasm?
Posted by: PabloD at July 28, 2024 07:25 PM (yhCZc)

How many ette's know his location? If there aren't any, he might be safe -- for a while.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 28, 2024 07:39 PM (VNX3d)

113 I shot both the old G48 with iron sight and the new G48 with green dot. I shot at 7 yards which is a bit farther than usual and amazingly, it didn;t matter whether I shot with the dot or without. I was on target with both. Both just feel comfortable and my grip with parallel thumbs(thanks Weasel) works.
I also got to shoot Ed L's new Beretta and wow what a nice pistol. Little tiny iron site but almost no recoil so the round goes where you are pointing the gun. Just lovely.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 28, 2024 07:39 PM (t/2Uw)

114 autos slip around, revolvers handle better. I do the J-Frame.
Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 07:12 PM (bFId9)

Interesting. Why do you think that is? Is it the curvature of the grip? Are you using rubber grips on the revolvers?

I might assume differently, at least with wood grips on the revolver, so I want to know what the factors are that inform your opinion.

Posted by: GWB at July 28, 2024 07:39 PM (AWrpC)

115 Last time I set it was in February at 16 degrees. It's....a little off.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 28, 2024 07:24 PM (Wnv9h)

RMBS, come on back. It’s a little warmer now!

Posted by: RI Red at July 28, 2024 07:39 PM (ZCQSS)

116 86 Have to ask, Scoob, are you practicing the fundamentals? You know, have you actually been buying lotto tickets?

Posted by: GWB at July 28, 2024 07:29 PM

But of course. I do limit the amount I purchase though. Need money for food for some strange reason. ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 28, 2024 07:39 PM (0XVad)

117 73 As to unloading firearms...

It was amazing watching American soldiers in Bosnia, every day, failing to grasp the significance of the order of unloading weapons. ALWAYS remove the magazine first. There were SO many dead clearing barrels in Tuzla....

(Of course, it would help if you used the safety on the M16, instead of pulling the trigger to release the bolt.)
Posted by: GWB at July 28, 2024 07:25 PM (AWrpC)

When I was downrange, the negligent discharge incidents were all done by soldiers. The sailors, Marines and Airmen had NO issues. Funny, that.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 28, 2024 07:39 PM (8sMut)

118 Anybody know where to send donations in memoriam for BeckoningChasm?
Posted by: PabloD at July 28, 2024 07:25 PM (yhCZc)

How many ette's know his location? If there aren't any, he might be safe -- for a while.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf

I thought his joke was funny!

Posted by: FeatherBlade at July 28, 2024 07:39 PM (kvrZb)

119 But of course. I do limit the amount I purchase though. Need money for food for some strange reason. ;-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 28, 2024 07:39 PM (0XVad)

Skip meals. You need ammo, damnit. : o )

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 28, 2024 07:40 PM (8sMut)

120 RI passed another gun lock law, and it looks like I'm going to have to do something with the family 100y/o side by side two trigger shotgun.
Any help would be appreciated. Really don't want to buy a $500 gun safe for the one long gun in the house.
Posted by: From about That Time'

It would shock me if that shotgun could not be taken down into two pieces it should have a lever or maybe a screw in the forearm/end. You should be able to disassemble it.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 07:40 PM (bFId9)

121 I do the J-Frame.
Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 07:12 PM

Other than my 1911, I do like my J-frame.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 28, 2024 07:40 PM (Wnv9h)

122 I run .38 Special range loads in both the J-Frame and the 9mm Tupperware. If there is one thing I've learned, it's that handgun bullets are unpredictable performers in any environment. King of The Hill is .357 Magnum but that's only in an issue length barrel with specific loads, and even then is not reliable. I gave up years ago and go with deterrent and preternatural calm bred from endless stressful situations and multiple gunfights.
Posted by: Len Neal
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All things considered, heavier bullets generally performs better on penetration. Plus bigger hole even if no expansion exists.

Primary causes for stopping are blood loss and CNS hits. CNS hits are hard to do in a combat situation but poking bigger holes in a large target like a torso to let more blood out is not.

Once again, ceterus paribus but areas of light clothing most of the year versus the heavier clothing worn up North in winter can also affect the performance of hi tech hollowpoint bullets due to plugging issues.

40 S&W is a good compromise between a 9mm and a 45 ACP but has languished in recent years and unpleasant shooting in the smaller and lighter carry guns that a lot of people prefer.

Posted by: whig at July 28, 2024 07:40 PM (qdbNv)

123 I've seen some reviews that 115gr have an issue cycling.
Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 07:14 PM (uGpeQ)

My Citadel isn't a micro (just an Officer model 9mm 1911) but it seems to have that issue.

Posted by: GWB at July 28, 2024 07:41 PM (AWrpC)

124 there are thousands at the dump site, wherever it may be—”Almost the entire British supply of 1928 Thompsons,” they figure.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in Solidarity with the Struggle at July 28, 2024 07:41 PM (k+eDL)

125 Hi Weasel! And all youse others too.

My brother from a Kimber mother!

I have one, but sadly have no range report. It's very fresh and I have not shot it yet.

So far I have one complaint and that is that the magazine doesn't want to latch easily when inserted. I have to slam it up pretty hard and I don't think that's right.

Posted by: haffhowershower at July 28, 2024 07:42 PM (NMT5x)

126 Posted by: GWB at July 28, 2024 07:41 PM (AWrpC)
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I ordered some 124gr just in case.

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 07:42 PM (uGpeQ)

127 117 73 As to unloading firearms...

It was amazing watching American soldiers in Bosnia, every day, failing to grasp the significance of the order of unloading weapons. ALWAYS remove the magazine first. There were SO many dead clearing barrels in Tuzla....

(Of course, it would help if you used the safety on the M16, instead of pulling the trigger to release the bolt.)
Posted by: GWB
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Tells me that that unit did not have more than the obligatory signoff once per year weapons training and that the commander of that unit thought it was not necessary compared to whatever faddish training that Tradoc preferred.

Posted by: whig at July 28, 2024 07:43 PM (qdbNv)

128 Now, on to the range failure which preceded the interesting load development shooting.

Yesterday was the monthly silhouette shoot. I won't claim I'm good at it, but, I'm usually better than dismal. Dismal being how I shot, I think I may have gotten a whopping 7 out of 20 possible. I'd hit the zero plate with authority then proceed to miss the silhouettes. I sort of got things figured out at the end of the match, but it was just one of those days.

I had fun but paid the price for not being able to check zero before the match. I may have to make it policy if something prevents me from checking zero the day before a match, best to skip the match.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 28, 2024 07:43 PM (tT6L1)

129 Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at July 28, 2024 07:26 PM (dj3QO)

Whenever the UPS driver drops off another crate of bulk ammo, I find myself opening it up and letting those beautiful brass cartridges run through my fingers like Blackbeard with a chest of gold doubloons.

I think I need professional help.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at July 28, 2024 07:43 PM (3rnQf)

130 71 I carry guns all the time and I sometimes realize that since I work mostly at night, few people openly carry the way I do. At 03:00 who is out there? I've exited my car in the lot and had 'folk' approach me and I simply immediately present my gun. Why would I not? Why are you walking up on someone in an empty parking lot at 03:00? Are you selling Girl Scout Cookies?
It's a no-brainer. So I display firearms at people at a MUCH higher rate than most others.
Triggers pulled very rarely but... information of armed and display? Very common for me.
Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 07:25 PM (bFId9)

Hmm. I have never felt the need to do so.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 28, 2024 07:44 PM (8sMut)

131 89 Is it really a problem to buy a gun in New York? I can't even imagine it.

Posted by: Mr. Ray at July 28, 2024 07:30 PM

Yes, I was lucky to get both the handgun license and rifle/shotgun permit. I am limited on both to purchasing 1 firearm every 3 months. And if I own more than 5 firearms they want a picture of the safe they will be stored in.

For rifle/shotgun I can purchase one but I must submit the paperwork within 3 days of taking possesion.
For the handgun I have to get permission first. When I receive the OK I have 30 days to purchase the firearm. Once I take possession I have 3 days to bring the firearm into One Police Plaza for "inspection" where they look at the gun and put the serial # of the gun on my license.

Yeah, NYC sucks.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 28, 2024 07:44 PM (0XVad)

132 Posted by: haffhowershower at July 28, 2024 07:42 PM (NMT5x)
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I have a Compact Custom that I really like so thought I'd give the 9mm a look.

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 07:44 PM (uGpeQ)

133 RMBS, come on back. It’s a little warmer now!
Posted by: RI Red at July 28, 2024 07:39 PM

I do need another shot at 1,000 yards. I think switching ammo midway wasn't good.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 28, 2024 07:44 PM (Wnv9h)

134 I belong to a private club that allows 24/7/365 attendance but at night one must use the 50-foot indoor range. I go shooting with center-fire at least 3 times a week, it's a 10-minute drive from my house. I usually go between 12:00-04:00, there is nobody there and I prefer it that way.
Posted by: Len Neal

I miss having the acerage to just step onto the back porch whenever I want. A 24/7 range ten minutes away would be nice.
The range I got is half an hour away and daytime only.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 28, 2024 07:45 PM (cOq4q)

135 129 Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at July 28, 2024 07:26 PM (dj3QO)

Whenever the UPS driver drops off another crate of bulk ammo, I find myself opening it up and letting those beautiful brass cartridges run through my fingers like Blackbeard with a chest of gold doubloons.

I think I need professional help.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at July 28, 2024 07:43 PM (3rnQf)

I suppose you're ok as long as you don't sound like The Kurgan and say "At last, The Gathering." : o )

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 28, 2024 07:45 PM (8sMut)

136 Lol, yeah I know I'm an odd duck. I'm less worried about price of ammo than storage for it. I like to be a good scout and keep it in the safe, but then I don't have enough room for my rifles.

I should put in an ammo safe, but I'm lazy.

I know I don't have enough ammo, couple hundred rounds of .223 and 9mm at best.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 28, 2024 07:45 PM (5p7BC)

137 107 Oy, just in between a break in giving grunts enemy weapon lessons.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 07:12 PM (bgJ0E)
Please tell me it went like this:
https://t.ly/kE6A2
(And, hoo boy, did Gunny violate a basic safety rule there....)
Posted by: GWB

Nah,I don't do the 1980's Marine nut crusher gay PT outfits. At least Clint kept his shirt on.

No its a bit more mundane. " This is how you open the top cover on an SG43 machine gun. This is how you clear a RPD. Yes a .303 Bren gun has sights on the left side. No Dickhead thats in the 40 watt plasma range." etc, etc

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 07:45 PM (bgJ0E)

138 40 S&W is a good compromise between a 9mm and a 45 ACP but has languished in recent years and unpleasant shooting in the smaller and lighter carry guns that a lot of people prefer.
Posted by: whig'

After seeing 7.62mm Tokarev aimed into the pelvic bowl I lost interest in the US .45 ACP center-mass principle. The HV will sometimes drill straight through but other times will follow the pelvic bowl and tumble all over upwards. The solution is to use the Tok not with one bullet but with maybe three. I saw one exit a guy's skull all the way at the top fired at what looked like his foot. I do not use the J-Frame center-mass but pelvic bowl.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 07:45 PM (bFId9)

139 Whenever the UPS driver drops off another crate of bulk ammo, I find myself opening it up and letting those beautiful brass cartridges run through my fingers like Blackbeard with a chest of gold doubloons.

I think I need professional help.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen

That actually sounds like a lot of fun. I should try that sometime.

The closest I've gotten is combing through the bottom of my range bag when the 500 count box of .22 LR fell apart.

That was somewhat less fun.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at July 28, 2024 07:46 PM (kvrZb)

140 letting those beautiful brass cartridges run through my fingers like Blackbeard with a chest of gold doubloons.

I think I need professional help.
Posted by: That SOB Van

I may not qualify as a professional, but I'll take those pseudo gold doubloons off your hands and we'll skip telling anyone they are brass.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 28, 2024 07:46 PM (OzHHn)

141 Me, too. Would settle for a 20mm Oerlikon.
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at Jul

Looks at pic of gunroom.

" Preens, washes face with paws"

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 07:48 PM (bgJ0E)

142 I do need another shot at 1,000 yards. I think switching ammo midway wasn't good.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 28, 2024 07:44 PM (Wnv9h)
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If I may make a suggestion: Try Hornady Match Ammo if it's available for your rifle I was quite surprised, when I ran some through my chronograph, how consistent it was. The ELD M line seems to perform pretty well.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 28, 2024 07:49 PM (tT6L1)

143 NZ Frank, any hope of seeing you in October?

Posted by: Ben Had at July 28, 2024 07:49 PM (5MvGY)

144 Hmm. I have never felt the need to do so.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33'

Most street people do not care about themselves and if confronting you will literally dare you to shoot them while they break into your car or steal your shit. Often they are emboldened by court systems that do not punish them and treat them as victims. My approach is to meet them halfway: they have met the bigger criminal and I do not care about them. I will not hesitate to shoot them and/or shatter their face with a hammer. Once that is established most of the time one is left alone.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 07:50 PM (bFId9)

145 Hmm. I have never felt the need to do so.

Ditto.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 28, 2024 07:50 PM (mH6SG)

146 Ok here’s a strange one:
I have my S&W FPS as my truck/trunk gun. The last time I had it out was last fall.
I took it out to shoot last week and the red dot was loose!
Tell me that bouncing around in the trunk caused that. It had to have.
Lesson learned: Take out to shoot more often.
Also, was very dry. Give it a good bath and lube.

Posted by: RI Red at July 28, 2024 07:50 PM (ZCQSS)

147 Re ammo, not to be a contrarian but---
sometimes enough is enough and the same with reloading components when you have space and weight considerations.

The folks competing at a serious level shooting handguns need thousands of rounds on hand because often they go through 50k to 100k per year.

I rarely shot over 5000k per year in handgun rounds and much less in centerfire rifle in my heyday and now simply use the old and replace with new nowadays.

If I want more, I simply reload from a bunch of components that I have around.

Stockpiling 22 LR and 22 WMR if you have it are good options now as they are far cheaper for training and even at a worse case scenario, decent self defense ammo from a semi auto rifle. The 22 WMR is also a decent round with roughly triple the foot lbs of energy from a 22 LR with the same length barrel.

Posted by: whig at July 28, 2024 07:52 PM (qdbNv)

148 Whenever the UPS driver drops off another crate of bulk ammo, I find myself opening it up and letting those beautiful brass cartridges run through my fingers like Blackbeard with a chest of gold doubloons.

I think I need professional help.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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This made me smile.

*back to lurking*

Posted by: screaming in digital at July 28, 2024 07:52 PM (iZbyp)

149 I do need another shot at 1,000 yards. I think switching ammo midway wasn't good.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 28, 2024 07:44 PM (Wnv9h)
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Probably not!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 07:52 PM (uGpeQ)

150 Whenever the UPS driver drops off another crate of bulk ammo, I find myself opening it up and letting those beautiful brass cartridges run through my fingers like Blackbeard with a chest of gold doubloons.

I think I need professional help.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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This made me smile.

*back to lurking*
Posted by: screaming in digital

He needs more ammo....

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 28, 2024 07:53 PM (VNX3d)

151 150 He needs more ammo....

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 28, 2024 07:53 PM

He wants to swim in the ammo like Scrooge McDuck

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 28, 2024 07:54 PM (0XVad)

152 I arrived at home to my garage in the alley at about 04:00 and some hoodie dude with a baseball bat approached me swinging it. I pulled and displayed my pistol, and said:

"NO."

He said, "Sorry to bother you."
I said, "Oh, that's okay."

I then parked my car, he went on his way to go rob someone else, and all was fine.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 07:54 PM (bFId9)

153 Good evening Weasel and Horde,

Scuba Dude, are you telling us you need to go into One Police Plaza in Manhattan so the NYPD can inspect your gun, etc? That is simply cray cray....

I have no range reports this week, unscheduled events superseded them. But the ammo supply continues to grow....

Posted by: Grateful at July 28, 2024 07:55 PM (IQ6Gq)

154 I think I need professional help.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen
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This made me smile.

*back to lurking*
Posted by: screaming in digital at July 28, 2024 07:52 PM (iZbyp)
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I had a couple thousand rounds of .45ACP and 5.56mm delivered the other day and was surprised to see the scrawny UPS guy pop out of the truck and trot up the walk with all of it!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 07:55 PM (uGpeQ)

155 After seeing 7.62mm Tokarev aimed into the pelvic bowl I lost interest in the US .45 ACP center-mass principle. The HV will sometimes drill straight through but other times will follow the pelvic bowl and tumble all over upwards. The solution is to use the Tok not with one bullet but with maybe three. I saw one exit a guy's skull all the way at the top fired at what looked like his foot. I do not use the J-Frame center-mass but pelvic bowl.
Posted by: Len Neal
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The Tokarev is indeed an example of light weight and high speed. It is not necessarily much better and the ammo for it is generally imported and of lower quality especially for self defense.

YMMV but my pistols are to buy me time to get to my longarms nowadays. Shotguns, M1 Carbines, and ARs are powerful close range medicine that are far better than any handgun round.

But, there is a reason that old gunfighters like the 45 ACP and why for whatever reason, 1911 makers are seeing an upswing in preference for 45 ACP over 9mm. Ed Wilson said it was about 50/50 now when a year or two ago it was predominately 9mm.

Posted by: whig at July 28, 2024 07:56 PM (qdbNv)

156 140 letting those beautiful brass cartridges run through my fingers like Blackbeard with a chest of gold doubloons.

I think I need professional help.
Posted by: That SOB Van

I understand. Shotgun shot is pretty cool to play in too.
2 tons of perfectly sized and polished 7 1/2 shot is an inviting swimming pool.
You want to go all Scrooge McDuck into it.

Posted by: Reforger at July 28, 2024 07:57 PM (xcIvR)

157 Hmm, 16 hour drive to Corsicana.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 28, 2024 07:57 PM (5p7BC)

158 Man, I've been in a LOT of urban encounters and very, very few have ended in trigger pulling. The overwhelming majority of the time its confidence, authority, and presence.

I recommend 'Street Survival' for this, great book. Most of the time, human beings are like dogs or horses: you speak with authority, they will reflexively obey you. The vast majority of the time you will never have to kill anybody.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 07:57 PM (bFId9)

159 RMBS, you know the drill. 24 hrs notice and we’re there.
I also want to get the AR 10 out to 1000 with a new 175 grain load that looks pretty and is running about 2550 fps. Just under 1 MOA at 100.

Posted by: RI Red at July 28, 2024 07:58 PM (ZCQSS)

160 I then parked my car, he went on his way to go rob someone else, and all was fine.

He must have seen your hammer. Works every time. Heh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 28, 2024 07:58 PM (mH6SG)

161 Nah,I don't do the 1980's Marine nut crusher gay PT outfits. At least Clint kept his shirt on.

No its a bit more mundane. " This is how you open the top cover on an SG43 machine gun. This is how you clear a RPD. Yes a .303 Bren gun has sights on the left side. No Dickhead thats in the 40 watt plasma range." etc, etc
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 07:45 PM (bgJ0E)

I'm with you. When running (oh to get back into that again) or biking I wear what some would consider, and are sometimes labeled as, basketball shorts, because when I do physical activity I want to be comfortable. Crushing my balls with typical "nutter" running shorts and crap like that...no.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 28, 2024 07:58 PM (8sMut)

162 153 Posted by: Grateful at July 28, 2024 07:55 PM

Correct, only for handguns.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 28, 2024 07:58 PM (0XVad)

163 Hmm, 16 hour drive to Corsicana.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 28, 2024 07:57 PM (5p7BC)
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If you make it, I plan to have my KDS9c available for people to try out.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 28, 2024 07:59 PM (tT6L1)

164 But, there is a reason that old gunfighters like the 45 ACP and why for whatever reason, 1911 makers are seeing an upswing in preference for 45 ACP over 9mm. Ed Wilson said it was about 50/50 now when a year or two ago it was predominately 9mm.
Posted by: whig'

Semantics. Hickock did the .36 Colt, he didn't care. I work with what I've used and seen work and if you have had different experiences, I respect that.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 07:59 PM (bFId9)

165 NZ Frank, any hope of seeing you in October?
Posted by: Ben Had

Hi Sweetheart, at this stage honestly chances are low. But at am planning on being there next year! I, because of the triggering registration laws, have deliberately held off on my normal gun buying insanity. But that just meant I am buying better scopes and chassis, etc. However a trip to TX is being budgeted.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 08:00 PM (bgJ0E)

166 I know I don't have enough ammo, couple hundred rounds of .223 and 9mm at best.
Posted by: Dave in Fla
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Getting into reloading can take some of the burden of ammo storage. Bullets and brass don't care as much about being stored in un airconditioned areas (would still keep them in ziplocks etc to do corrosion issues around the ocean). Pretty easy to stow some of the reloading presses nowadays with their new removable surface mounts.

Posted by: whig at July 28, 2024 08:00 PM (qdbNv)

167 157 Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 28, 2024 07:57 PM

I am driving from NYC to Corsicana this year. It's around 22 hours for me.

You should join us. Much fun is had.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 28, 2024 08:00 PM (0XVad)

168 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 08:00 PM (bgJ0E)
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Excellent!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 08:00 PM (uGpeQ)

169 74 Anybody know where to send donations in memoriam for BeckoningChasm?
Posted by: PabloD at July 28, 2024 07:25 PM (yhCZc)
Just got here, have read in past he had increasing issues. Any details on Beckoning Chasm?

Posted by: Eromero at July 28, 2024 08:00 PM (LHPAg)

170 Dave in Fla, you can do this. 3 days of shooting , food and the Horde.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 28, 2024 08:01 PM (5MvGY)

171 153 Good evening Weasel and Horde,

Scuba Dude, are you telling us you need to go into One Police Plaza in Manhattan so the NYPD can inspect your gun, etc? That is simply cray cray....

By contrast, I have heard of many a fellow Texan getting pulled over by a sheriff's deputy in a rural county...driver declares he has a gun, deputy asks to see it...and then, an hour later, sheriff's deputy and driver are still on the side of the road, talking shop about guns.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 28, 2024 08:01 PM (8sMut)

172 Can we start a countdown to the Texas MoMe?
Can't wait.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 28, 2024 08:01 PM (t/2Uw)

173 157 Hmm, 16 hour drive to Corsicana.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 28, 2024 07:57 PM (5p7BC)
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I'll buy you a beer (or more) in Corsicana.

Posted by: TRex at July 28, 2024 08:01 PM (IQ6Gq)

174 Just got here, have read in past he had increasing issues. Any details on Beckoning Chasm?
Posted by: Eromero at July 28, 2024 08:00 PM (LHPAg)
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Beckoning made a joke which I think caught a few people off guard.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 28, 2024 08:02 PM (tT6L1)

175 Anybody know where to send donations in memoriam for BeckoningChasm?
Posted by: PabloD at July 28, 2024 07:25 PM (yhCZc)
Just got here, have read in past he had increasing issues. Any details on Beckoning Chasm?
Posted by: Eromero

See Comment 37, about Atomic Brain and a woman getting a cat's brain.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 28, 2024 08:02 PM (VNX3d)

176 173 157 Hmm, 16 hour drive to Corsicana.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 28, 2024 07:57 PM (5p7BC)
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I'll buy you a beer (or more) in Corsicana.
Posted by: TRex at July 28, 2024 08:01 PM (IQ6Gq)
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I tell really funny jokes!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 08:02 PM (uGpeQ)

177 162/
ScubaDude, does it matter what borough you live in? IOW, does each borough have a designated station to go to, or does everyone have to go to Manhattan?

And the family is convinced that I will one day return to live there. Ha!

Posted by: Grateful at July 28, 2024 08:02 PM (IQ6Gq)

178 154 I had a couple thousand rounds of .45ACP and 5.56mm delivered the other day and was surprised to see the scrawny UPS guy pop out of the truck and trot up the walk with all of it!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 07:55 PM (uGpeQ)
***
With enough visits to Casa Weasel, the UPS delivery guy will be scrawny no longer. Ammo grows muscles!

Posted by: TRex at July 28, 2024 08:03 PM (IQ6Gq)

179 159 RMBS, you know the drill. 24 hrs notice and we’re there.
I also want to get the AR 10 out to 1000 with a new 175 grain load that looks pretty and is running about 2550 fps. Just under 1 MOA at 100.
Posted by: RI Red

Thanks for the brief range report. The couple of times I shot my AR 10 pre covid, I used the light 147 gr bullets and got 2-2.5 MOA (estimated due to 50 yard indoor range limit).

Posted by: whig at July 28, 2024 08:03 PM (qdbNv)

180 Had a coworker who had a full size .45 Kimber 1911, this must have been in the early aughts. He never shot it, and everyone who knew he had it kept wanting to buy it.

At that time, I was really only aware of Kimber and Wilson who were doing factory 'really accurate' or 'nice' 1911's. So I don't know why they kept bugging him. Maybe a long waiting list? Hype? My guess is they wanted a sweet gun at bargain prices (they wished anyway).

Posted by: haffhowershower at July 28, 2024 08:03 PM (NMT5x)

181 I am driving from NYC to Corsicana this year. It's around 22 hours for me.

You should join us. Much fun is had.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 28, 2024 08:00 PM

I am only three hours away from corsicana. I might have to rent an RV and attend this year. Stuff has gotten in the way of me attending in the past. I could bring my S&W FPC with the suppressor and a bunch of subsonic ammo. It is a fun gun to shoot.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 28, 2024 08:04 PM (QNSds)

182 Getting into reloading
Posted by: whig'

Brass is easy to get, powders are okay and one should stock up on things like Bullseye and Red Dot, and with PPU brass the Argentinian Servicios Aventires primers are cheap on AmmoSeek. They are tight, don't like to work in SIG brass, but they are good in PPU straight case.
I'm shocked at how expensive even a turret press is these days.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 08:05 PM (bFId9)

183 Can we start a countdown to the Texas MoMe?
Can't wait.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)
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hotels.com informs me that my reservation is 81 days away

*back to lurking again*

Posted by: screaming in digital at July 28, 2024 08:06 PM (iZbyp)

184 Most street people do not care about themselves and if confronting you will literally dare you to shoot them while they break into your car or steal your shit. Often they are emboldened by court systems that do not punish them and treat them as victims. My approach is to meet them halfway: they have met the bigger criminal and I do not care about them. I will not hesitate to shoot them and/or shatter their face with a hammer. Once that is established most of the time one is left alone.
Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 07:50 PM (bFId9)

In my case, being a newly retired military officer who stands at a shade of above six feet tall changes people's reactions. (So i suspect anyway.) Once, when walking through downtown S.A. after a concert, with my older sisters and my mother (the contingent of the family that actually likes music), I heard my oldest sis tell my mother "I don't worry about anything when Catch Thirty-Thr33 is around."

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 28, 2024 08:06 PM (8sMut)

185 Beckoning made a joke which I think caught a few people off guard.

Getting here late. What's this about?

Posted by: Oddbob at July 28, 2024 08:06 PM (TvVAz)

186 177 Posted by: Grateful at July 28, 2024 08:02 PM

No, it does not matter what borough you live in, you have to travel into Manhattan to 1PP.
So when I purchased my one and only handgun I got on the bus with my gun locked in its case inside a back pack. Unloaded of course. ;-)

If I do buy a handgun I will take a day off of work to do this.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 28, 2024 08:07 PM (0XVad)

187 I am only three hours away from corsicana.

Damn. That's spittin' distance. Sure wish I was anywhere near that close.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 28, 2024 08:07 PM (mH6SG)

188 Yeah, you know the issue Ben Had, I have to be in DC for a marathon the following weekend. But I'm trying to leave my options open and consider logistics.

Wife is unlikely to come with on such long drive, but I'm kind of liking the idea of a road trip in the convertible. It hasn't had a good workout in awhile.

I'm about 50/50 I think.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 28, 2024 08:07 PM (5p7BC)

189 Stockpiling ammo against a repressive government is a fantasy of the Right. Or is it a caractachure of the right perpetrated by the leftist media? How will we ever know?

Posted by: Mr. Ray at July 28, 2024 08:07 PM (/N6b1)

190 Mister Scott, plenty of room for RV parking on the ranch.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 28, 2024 08:08 PM (5MvGY)

191 ---
Excellent!
Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 08:00 PM (uGpeQ)

If United Airlines open up and do the direct flight from Christchurch to Dallas as they have threatened to do you will see me every year. I would visit TX 2-3 times a year.
That being said, be careful what you wish for.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 08:08 PM (bgJ0E)

192 Dave in Fla, you can also talk politics to your hearts content with others who appreciate your insights.
And shoot and dance and drink and listen to Weasel tell jokes.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 28, 2024 08:08 PM (t/2Uw)

193 Whig, my PSA AR10 hates 150 g loads. 2-2.5 MOA.
168s I’m getting about .8 and 175s about .9.

Case manufacturer makes more difference than I thought. PPU (a military case and therefore thicker and less volume), increased MV by over 50 fps.

Posted by: RI Red at July 28, 2024 08:09 PM (ZCQSS)

194 At that time, I was really only aware of Kimber and Wilson who were doing factory 'really accurate' or 'nice' 1911's. So I don't know why they kept bugging him. Maybe a long waiting list? Hype? My guess is they wanted a sweet gun at bargain prices (they wished anyway).
Posted by: haffhowershower
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There are several makers of good 1911's but the better models of Colt, Kimber, and specialty makers like Wilson Combat, Les Bauer, and Ed Brown had the cache (with a few really high end niche makers).

Ruger, Taurus, Springfield Armory, Sig, etc. all make modern 1911's that are quite good compared with the old military 1911's. And then there are the imported PI, Turkey, etc. models.

If you have the itch, you can buy 80 percent frames from Sarco and roll your own with 1911 parts.

The design is solid as are most of JWB's works.

Posted by: whig at July 28, 2024 08:09 PM (qdbNv)

195 OK, I think I got it now.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 28, 2024 08:09 PM (TvVAz)

196 181 I am driving from NYC to Corsicana this year. It's around 22 hours for me.

You should join us. Much fun is had.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 28, 2024 08:00 PM

I am only three hours away from corsicana. I might have to rent an RV and attend this year. Stuff has gotten in the way of me attending in the past. I could bring my S&W FPC with the suppressor and a bunch of subsonic ammo. It is a fun gun to shoot.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 28, 2024 08:04 PM (QNSds)

Hmmm.

(calculates)

6 hours.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 28, 2024 08:09 PM (8sMut)

197
In my case, being a newly retired military officer who stands at a shade of above six feet tall changes people's reactions. (So i suspect anyway.)
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33'

I have lived in the same locale for 25 years. Anyone not knowing me is educated shortly.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 08:09 PM (bFId9)

198 Notorious BFD, the thing about this MoMe is that it is a multi day affair

Posted by: Ben Had at July 28, 2024 08:10 PM (5MvGY)

199 To be honest I'd love to walk to work in the middle of the night with my M48 Yugo on a sling, I don't think anybody would care really

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 08:11 PM (bFId9)

200 BTW Weasel, thank you for the trigger control video. I look forward to viewing it several times as I practice with my snap caps.

Posted by: Grateful at July 28, 2024 08:11 PM (IQ6Gq)

201 Weasel, if I do come I'm going to corner you for correcting my handgun grip. My grip sucks and my shooting sucks.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 28, 2024 08:11 PM (5p7BC)

202 I had a couple thousand rounds of .45ACP and 5.56mm delivered the other day and was surprised to see the scrawny UPS guy pop out of the truck and trot up the walk with all of it!
Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 07:55 PM (uGpeQ)

My UPS delivery driver is a cute 20-something young lady with a blonde ponytail. She has no problem at all hefting the ammo.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at July 28, 2024 08:11 PM (3rnQf)

203 Posted by: Grateful at July 28, 2024 08:11 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Focus on fundamentals!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 08:12 PM (uGpeQ)

204 Case manufacturer makes more difference than I thought. PPU (a military case and therefore thicker and less volume), increased MV by over 50 fps.
Posted by: RI Red

Knew folks shooting Garands in 308 preferred 168gr bullets but my 308 semi auto experience is very limited to my AR-10.

Preferred the 30-06 due to old bolt action battle rifle reloading and my inherited Garand has that chambering as we got to pick either the 30-06 or the 308. As I didn't reload nor have any other rifles in .308 at the time, I went with the 30-06 choice.

Posted by: whig at July 28, 2024 08:12 PM (qdbNv)

205 It looks like primers are coming back into supply and/or the hoarders have maxed out. I got Federal 205GM for $86/1000 today.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 28, 2024 08:12 PM (ZStC4)

206 NZ Frank you are welcome as often as you want to come.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 28, 2024 08:12 PM (5MvGY)

207 Weasel, if I do come I'm going to corner you for correcting my handgun grip. My grip sucks and my shooting sucks.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 28, 2024 08:11 PM (5p7BC)
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We can fix that!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 08:13 PM (uGpeQ)

208 PabloD, thanks for that Dunbarton cigar input. Have tried the Sobremesa Brulee, but not the Blue variant. And have not yet had the Wagashi. I need to revisit the Brulee, it was OK but not as good as I expected, which could easily be me (that day) or the stick in question.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 28, 2024 08:13 PM (GcNJ2)

209 8mm rifle stopping power, Hah! I really do not think anybody would give two shits if I carried a Mauser battle rifle on my shoulder to the office in the middle of the night.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 08:13 PM (bFId9)

210 I absolutely love my Kimber 1911 in 9mm but I decided to buy it after shooting Blaster's in 45 acp. I decided to buy the 9mm just because the ammo is cheaper and I don;t really see a difference int eh performance.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 28, 2024 08:13 PM (t/2Uw)

211 188 Yeah, you know the issue Ben Had, I have to be in DC for a marathon the following weekend.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 28, 2024 08:07 PM (5p7BC)
***
The beer offer remains valid in/near DC that weekend.

Posted by: TRex at July 28, 2024 08:13 PM (IQ6Gq)

212 That Micro 9 looks interesting.

I almost bought a SIG P938 that I wish I had followed up. Very similar to the Kimber model pictured.

Posted by: Blago at July 28, 2024 08:13 PM (wMRY8)

213 We can fix that!
Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 08:13 PM (uGpeQ)
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Is this where we send out the WBG call sign? He's pretty darn proficient.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 28, 2024 08:14 PM (tT6L1)

214 RI Red, relative to your other comments, I did not know that Prvi was shipping military thickness brass so thanks for that info. Have the setup but have not reloaded 308 as of yet as I was firing commercial ammo with the AR-10 because that is what I could get at the time to break it in cheap.

Posted by: whig at July 28, 2024 08:14 PM (qdbNv)

215 Case manufacturer makes more difference than I thought. PPU (a military case and therefore thicker and less volume), increased MV by over 50 fps.
Posted by: RI Red'

PPU .38 Special brass is VERY soft, resizes easy, great for light loads. Factory loads are super dirty, smokey as fuck the indoor range looked like a fog machine and the fans are powerful.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 08:15 PM (bFId9)

216 Dave in Fla, Weasel is the best but Weasel buddy Geoff can really help in that dept

Posted by: Ben Had at July 28, 2024 08:15 PM (5MvGY)

217 188 I'm about 50/50 I think.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 28, 2024 08:07 PM

You do not have to do the drive in a single day. Do it in two days.

Stop over in like New Orleans or something like that.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 28, 2024 08:15 PM (0XVad)

218 Is this where we send out the WBG call sign? He's pretty darn proficient.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 28, 2024 08:14 PM (tT6L1)
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Well I suppose he's OK.....

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 08:15 PM (uGpeQ)

219 205 It looks like primers are coming back into supply and/or the hoarders have maxed out. I got Federal 205GM for $86/1000 today.
Posted by: Oddbob
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Getting some emails now about Large Rifle primers being in stock now albeit Mexican and some Eastern European make.

Posted by: whig at July 28, 2024 08:16 PM (qdbNv)

220 Notorious BFD, the thing about this MoMe is that it is a multi day affair

Understood, Ben Had. Just too long of a road trip for this over 29 dude. Dealing with some health issues and my current vehicle has not been behaving well at all. It just sounds like so much damn fun. I shall continue to live it vicariously. Sigh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 28, 2024 08:16 PM (mH6SG)

221 191 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 08:08 PM

Don't they do a direct flight to Houston? That is only 2-3 hours from Corsicana.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 28, 2024 08:17 PM (0XVad)

222 Trex - that sounds like a fun idea. Not sure where I'm staying yet, waiting for the hotel block announcement, but I'll be in Arlington multiple days.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 28, 2024 08:17 PM (5p7BC)

223 Posted by: Ben Had at July 28, 2024 08:15 PM (5MvGY)
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WBG is the most naturally gifted shooter I have ever worked with. No shit. And I KNEW he'd love the TXMoMe if he'd just show up to one!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 08:17 PM (uGpeQ)

224 Dave in FL,
WBG taught me grip (of course I needed to be reminded by others subsequently), but he is an excellent teacher. And he'll be in TX this year!

Posted by: Grateful at July 28, 2024 08:17 PM (IQ6Gq)

225 NZ Frank you are welcome as often as you want to come.
Posted by: Ben Had

!

Posted by: Miklos also neglects phrasing sometimes at July 28, 2024 08:17 PM (1CnH+)

226 RI Red, relative to your other comments, I did not know that Prvi was shipping military thickness brass so thanks for that info. Have the setup but have not reloaded 308 as of yet as I was firing commercial ammo with the AR-10 because that is what I could get at the time to break it in cheap.
Posted by: whig'

PPU rifle is military ammo with thick webs. We ran it in Saracs when I ran machine guns in the Balkan Wars. I never saw steel case on my Serb side, it was all really nice brass. Steel was surplus Combloc and we thought it garbage. PPU pistol brass is soft.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 08:18 PM (bFId9)

227 Catch-33, biathlon is as you say an incredible event. And unique, as far as I know. Two activities, one of which (the skiing) is the most aerobically demanding activity known, paired with one (target shooting) that puts a premium on low heart rate and calmness.

Have long wanted to participate, have never lived where that was doable (snow country, with a long-ish winter with good dry snow). One time in CO I did encounter a guy out skiing with his rifle (he would make stops at the shooting stations, mimic shooting, and continue). He said he was in a recreational biathlon league. !!!!! Oh to live where that was an option.

With the multitude of cameras and the knowledgeable commentary I've seen in biathlon coverage going back a few years, it's actually a very watchable and dramatic sports event, especially of course the shorter distance events.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 28, 2024 08:18 PM (GcNJ2)

228 All good in the 40mm - 43mm range!
Posted by: Weasel

Is this watch size or ammo size?
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 28, 2024 07:28 PM (VNX3d)

Ummmm, yes?

Posted by: GWB at July 28, 2024 08:18 PM (AWrpC)

229 Don't they do a direct flight to Houston? That is only 2-3 hours from Corsicana.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 28, 2024 08:17 PM

Way closer to fly into Dallas.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 28, 2024 08:18 PM (QNSds)

230 Mr. Scott, ditto on the FPS - fun to shoot. I shot with a budette last week who gives handgun lessons, mostly to women. I had her shoot the FPS and she immediately said she was getting one.
I went to my LGS on Wednesday and told the proprietor to expect her.
An hour later she texted me and said when she walked in, the proprietor said, “Budette, your carbine is over on the rack.”
Small town fun.

Posted by: RI Red at July 28, 2024 08:19 PM (ZCQSS)

231 Notorious BFD, understood and we will keep you updated. May your health issues be resolved and maybe we can plan on next year.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 28, 2024 08:19 PM (5MvGY)

232 WBG is the most naturally gifted shooter I have ever worked with. No shit. And I KNEW he'd love the TXMoMe if he'd just show up to one!
Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 08:17 PM (uGpeQ)
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I know Nurse and I liked him. Mainly because he did all the set up and tear down and all we had to do was monitor the range.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 28, 2024 08:19 PM (tT6L1)

233 14 hr drive to the MoMe for me. One day from Georgia to Texas. I'm conflicted about going this year though, that weekend is also the weekend of another event I don't want to miss.

Posted by: fd at July 28, 2024 08:20 PM (vFG9F)

234 222 Trex - that sounds like a fun idea. Not sure where I'm staying yet, waiting for the hotel block announcement, but I'll be in Arlington multiple days.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 28, 2024 08:17 PM (5p7BC)
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Excellent. Send an email (address in my nic) when you know more. We'll get it sorted. Mini MoMe.

Posted by: TRex at July 28, 2024 08:20 PM (IQ6Gq)

235 Wife starts back work with a new supervisor this August and we are trying to make the Texas MoMe if at all possible.

Parental unit has dementia and is in memory care resulting in medical scares now and again from falling.

Posted by: whig at July 28, 2024 08:20 PM (qdbNv)

236 Ok folks, time to call it an evening.

Thank you once again Weasel for providing content for us reprobates.

It makes Sunday's bearable.

Have a good night all!!! Talk to all next week!!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at July 28, 2024 08:20 PM (0XVad)

237 I know Nurse and I liked him. Mainly because he did all the set up and tear down and all we had to do was monitor the range.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 28, 2024 08:19 PM (tT6L1)
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One thing he has never grasped is the subtlety of Organic Tree Farming.

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 08:20 PM (uGpeQ)

238 Thanks much, Ben Had. Would love to meet you and the rest of the crew someday.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 28, 2024 08:21 PM (mH6SG)

239 PPU brass, it was so good it would stay shiny after fired through tank machine guns. I have a fractured memory of trying to run up a village street after a good armor soaking, and it was like trying to run on roller bearings, and the brass shone in the sun.
It looked like the Yellow Brick Road In The Wizard Of Oz and I started laughing

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 08:21 PM (bFId9)

240 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at July 28, 2024 08:21 PM (yRXSd)

241 SD - not really worried about the drive length it it taking time off from work. I've already pushed my vacation envelope for the year. I'd probably have to leave something like 4am Thursday and drive straight through.

Can't wait for retirement when I don't have to ask permission to do things I want to do

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 28, 2024 08:22 PM (5p7BC)

242 Dave inFla, you can stay in training. Lots of country road to run on.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 28, 2024 08:22 PM (5MvGY)

243 Scoob, thanks for reminding me that I owe you an email about TxMoMe. Which I will compose shortly ...

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at July 28, 2024 08:22 PM (v23vE)

244 Lots of country road to run on.
Posted by: Ben Had

This is a good way to describe Darleen.

Posted by: Miklos wishes he had thought of that at July 28, 2024 08:24 PM (1CnH+)

245 Hello gubthreaders and all the ships at sea.

Speaking of Organic Tree Farming, sra blaster and I are preparing for an equipment transport run now that I have returned the Bug Out truck to service. Taking a generator and a bbq grill and wheelbarrow and assorted stuff down there.

I still need a tractor with big ass scythes (no way that can ever go wrong) to catch up with weasel.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at July 28, 2024 08:24 PM (IFNME)

246 One thing he has never grasped is the subtlety of Organic Tree Farming.
Posted by: Weasel

Is that what happened to that tree?

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 28, 2024 08:24 PM (5ewfc)

247 Direct flight from Christchurch to Dallas? Wow. Must be a 787? That'll be a long one.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 28, 2024 08:24 PM (GcNJ2)

248 Rogan is the poster boy for both sides-ism. Open to all things but taking a stand on nothing. It is a weakness that will be found wanting when the hard times come calling.

Posted by: Mr. Ray at July 28, 2024 08:24 PM (/N6b1)

249 the round goes where you are pointing the gun. Just lovely.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 28, 2024 07:39 PM (t/2Uw)

I think Sharon has hit on a "fundamental" - pointing. "Point shooting" is a thing. And one of the big bits about good sight picture is getting the gun up to your eyes naturally, so you're not cocking your head weird to see the sights and such. I think that goes to "pointing" properly.

Once you have the natural pointing down, the other things are easier. And boy do our 'ettes have the pointing down.

Posted by: GWB at July 28, 2024 08:26 PM (AWrpC)

250 Primers, Ginex is sure-fire but they tend to tight in American brass. It's Bosnia and it's good stuff, non-corrosive for those paranoid. But tends to tight.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 08:26 PM (bFId9)

251 Well, I'm out for the evening.

Y'all have fun and thanks Weasel for the massive task of keeping the gun thread going each week.

Posted by: whig at July 28, 2024 08:26 PM (qdbNv)

252 Direct flight from Christchurch to Dallas? Wow. Must be a 787? That'll be a long one.
Posted by: rhomboid

Please, slowly step away from the Boeing. There aren't enough of us to let one fly on one of those.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at July 28, 2024 08:27 PM (VNX3d)

253 NZ Frank you are welcome as often as you want to come.
Posted by: Ben Had at July 28, 2024 08:12 PM (5MvGY)

Thank you. I appreciate your hospitality as well as Rancher Bob and the Noisy One his lovely wife Jennifer's hospitality too. And it goes without saying people like Mr Weasel, Nurse, Eromero, DunC, Scuba Dude and all the other great people I have met there in Texas, I had a bloody marvellous time and want to come back because of those critters I met .

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 08:27 PM (bgJ0E)

254 Weasel-San, how is the bayonet lug adapter coming for the katana?

Posted by: RI Red at July 28, 2024 08:27 PM (ZCQSS)

255 Dinner bell.
Thanks for the Gun Thread Weasel.
Can't way for Oct.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 28, 2024 08:27 PM (5ewfc)

256 Once was skiing at the Olympic layout at Lake Placid, and the Russian junior biathlon team was there (mid-90s). These young guys would of course pass me like I was standing still. Loitered at the shooting stations a few times to observe (still have a russki .22 ammo box).

Nationality of coaches was unmistakable. Somewhat portly, lots of profane yelling, chain smoking. Beautful.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 28, 2024 08:28 PM (GcNJ2)

257 @Ben Had I sent you an email re the TexasMoMe and sra and my attendance.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at July 28, 2024 08:28 PM (IFNME)

258 Weasel-San, how is the bayonet lug adapter coming for the katana?
Posted by: RI Red at July 28, 2024 08:27 PM (ZCQSS)
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First thing I did after getting home was to oil it!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 08:28 PM (uGpeQ)

259 Mrs. Mahon and I want to make it to Corsicana this fall (fingers crossed). We tried too hard to see all of Texas last time. We met in SA many years ago (Fort Sam), but the entire city was under construction when we passed through. We was disappointed.

This time we will stick closer to Corsicana and DFW. We did like the stockyards in Fort Worth. My bride loves cows.

And yes, we will drive. I love flying, but I loathe air travel.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Shopping at Bloodbath and Beyond at July 28, 2024 08:29 PM (Ad8y9)

260 Ben Had I sent you an email re the TexasMoMe and sra and my attendance.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat

After, you have to herd 600 to the railhead.

Posted by: Miklos admits envy at July 28, 2024 08:30 PM (1CnH+)

261 No, but FarceBook is for restricting an Olympic shooter's (I think) page because he has icky AIRguns on it.
Posted by: GWB at July 28, 2024 07:20 PM (AWrpC)

Ooh, must be those AIR-15s!

Posted by: haffhowershower at July 28, 2024 08:30 PM (NMT5x)

262 Have handled Springfield's mini-1911 in 9mm several times, felt nice (forget what they call that model). Wanted one, but never enough to pay the price. Nice to know there are now several options in that category.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 28, 2024 08:30 PM (GcNJ2)

263 Look at me staying all on topic.

Going to get in some distance on the road for a half hour or so.

I do have some polling news but will hold it for the ONT.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 28, 2024 08:30 PM (5p7BC)

264 {{{GWB}}}

Maybe Ed can talk a bit more about that Beretta. I don;t think I have ever fired anything in that caliber before. The site was tiny almost like a revolver but with no recoil to speak of it was amazingly easy to shoot.
But then I had one of those days today where everything just went perfectly.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 28, 2024 08:31 PM (t/2Uw)

265 Stockpiling ammo against a repressive government is a fantasy of the Right. Or is it a caractachure of the right perpetrated by the leftist media? How will we ever know?
Posted by: Mr. Ray

Well,
The View’s Joy Behar Says Young White Males Buying 50 Rounds of Ammo Should Be Reported (actual GWP headline)

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 28, 2024 08:32 PM (cOq4q)

266 247 Direct flight from Christchurch to Dallas? Wow. Must be a 787? That'll be a long one.
Posted by: rhomboid

If it happens I believe they would refuel in Fiji.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 08:32 PM (bgJ0E)

267 Well,
The View’s Joy Behar Says Young White Males Buying 50 Rounds of Ammo Should Be Reported (actual GWP headline)
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 28, 2024 08:32 PM (cOq4q)
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Uh oh.

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 08:32 PM (uGpeQ)

268 PPU ammo (back when I shot factory ammo) and the brass saved from it for reloading have always been very good, in my experience. My back-up reserve of 30-06 for the M1s is a can of the PPU Garand ammo. So I expect that when I'm finally done reloading my HXP (on 2nd reloading now) brass that will be my next ammo and then brass stock. Have a bunch of PPU brass mixed in to my pistol brass (.45 and 9mm), always has been trouble-free.

Only time I've had issues with primer fit was from the brass and the pockets - Sellier-Bellot (sp?) - not the primers.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 28, 2024 08:33 PM (GcNJ2)

269 Well, time to wander. Catch you next week.

Thanks again, Weasel!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 28, 2024 08:35 PM (tT6L1)

270 Uh oh.
Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 08:32 PM (uGpeQ)
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We're not young, so we're safe, I believe.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 28, 2024 08:35 PM (tT6L1)

271 There are several makers of good 1911's but the better models of Colt, Kimber, and specialty makers like Wilson Combat, Les Bauer, and Ed Brown had the cache (with a few really high end niche makers).

Ruger, Taurus, Springfield Armory, Sig, etc. all make modern 1911's that are quite good compared with the old military 1911's. And then there are the imported PI, Turkey, etc. models.

If you have the itch, you can buy 80 percent frames from Sarco and roll your own with 1911 parts.

The design is solid as are most of JWB's works.
Posted by: whig at July 28, 2024 08:09 PM (qdbNv)

Ah yes, I forgot about those other big names. My Colt govt issue that was accurized shoots far better than I ever will. I was thinking of sending the info to Weasel for a gun thread feature someday. It was accurized and owned by a very good Army shooter, and to my ever-loving shame I can't think of the gentleman's name.

It's set up for Bullseye, so light loads and light recoil spring. And I wish all my triggers were as nice as this.

Posted by: haffhowershower at July 28, 2024 08:36 PM (NMT5x)

272 Weasel, Nice write up on the Berettta Tomcat.

My wife could not rack the slides on most of my semi autos and I wanted a carry pistol for her. She does not like revolvers.

I found a pistol in .22 lr very similar to the Tomcat. It was called the PT-22 and was made by Taurus. It has the tip up barrel and holds 8 rounds in the magazine. The only downside is the trigger pull is a little heavy for such a small pistol, but its no problem for her. I decked it out with some hot pink grips and she loved it.

She calls it her "baby gun". She liked it so much I bought her a second one so she could have 1 for each hand.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at July 28, 2024 08:36 PM (cCxiu)

273 We're not young, so we're safe, I believe.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 28, 2024 08:35 PM (tT6L1)
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True.

When they start reporting old perverts, I'm in big trouble!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 08:37 PM (uGpeQ)

274 Anyone familiar with the Kimber Micro 9? Any ownership or shooting experience with the model? Please tell me it's good because I just ordered one.

In order to prevent Weasel from occupying this uncomfortable space, Weasel will submit this form to The Horde in advance of any purchase going forward:

Hi, this is Weasel, and I'm considering the purchase of a (fill in this blank). I would appreciate any feedback you may have.

What is your experience with (fill in this blank)?

Would you recommend (fill in this blank)? Why or why not?

Has the fourth shot ever landed outside the 9-ring? If so, how many times?

Are you WB or WNB? (Would Buy / Would Not Buy)

What size watch do you wear?

Any other comments?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 28, 2024 08:37 PM (wDM1V)

275 AOSHQ DMV MGC range time and MiniMoMe. 7 in attendance. Stinky's Daddy brought this little toy AR15 which is intended to train children in AR15 operation. It was...interesting. All polymer except barrel and bolt. I think the charging handle requires adult strength. The takedown pins are replaced by screws. Oh, and it is chambered in .22LR.

It is meant to keep children from screwing it up but I can see a market for it in the USMC.

Ed L. brought a Beretta something. Model 81? That looks right. In .32acp. As swa said above a sweet little shooter. Its a retired police pistol from probably the 50s or 60s (I am sure Ed L. has the whole provenance for us) and it had old timey blade front sight and a rear notch. Black on black and against a black target near impossible to see. But a very natural point and shoot pistol. I picked it up and put 5 rounds touching at 5 yards. A little higher than I was aiming but just a little.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at July 28, 2024 08:37 PM (IFNME)

276 Only time I've had issues with primer fit was from the brass and the pockets - Sellier-Bellot (sp?) - not the primers.
Posted by: rhomboid'

SB is iffy, depends on their production line. PPU, obviously I'm biased as I depended on that ammo to survive but it always, without exception, went 'BANG'. For reloading I find SIG brass to be hard and the primer pockets absurdly tight, and Norma the absolute worst brass I've ever even tried to use. Norma seems like it's both hard, and inconsistent even in a single case. I think they make it out of crystals or something it's stupid, unpredictable brass.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 08:37 PM (bFId9)

277 I do need another shot at 1,000 yards. I think switching ammo midway wasn't good.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 28, 2024 07:44 PM (Wnv9h)
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Probably not!
Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 07:52 PM

Oddly, the run of the mill NATO ball ammo I got last year is shooting better than the 80s vintage special ball I switched to in NH.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 28, 2024 08:38 PM (Wnv9h)

278 Picked up an ex-Italian police Beretta 81 at Chantilly last week and took it out this week to test drive it and let everyone else in the DMV club test it out. .32 ACP is a very mild cartridge in this pistol. Hardly any felt recoil. As Sharon said, the bullets go where you point the sights. If you can pick up one of these, Beretta still makes magazines for it, so it's still quite usable even though the pistol itself has been out of production for many years. Each magazine holds 12 rounds of .32 ACP, so it has some capability if you choose to EDC it.

Posted by: Ed L at July 28, 2024 08:38 PM (yRXSd)

279 Mr. Scott, does firing yourFPC suppressed affect the cleanliness at all?Being straight blow-back, I just don’t know. My AR 10 gets filthy shooting suppressed.
I find the front part of the bolt on the FPC gets really dirty and the back part really loves lubrication. Shooting dirty last week, I could see out of the bottom of my eye that the bolt was noticeably slower during recoil.

Posted by: RI Red at July 28, 2024 08:39 PM (ZCQSS)

280 Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 28, 2024 08:37 PM (wDM1V)
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To be truthful, the uncertainty lasted about 90 seconds.

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 08:41 PM (uGpeQ)

281 First thing I did after getting home was to oil it!
Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 08:28 PM

Are we not doing phrasing anymore?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 28, 2024 08:41 PM (Wnv9h)

282 The rest of us brought more pedestrian fare, Glocks and Sigs and such, to bear on our targets. As noted sra blaster and I have perseverated on our competition guns to the point where we are concerned about condition and operation of our other weapons. So we spent some time shooting our EDCs. We had some spectacular mag dumps at 5 yards. As weasel says, competition makes you better. And always working on fundamentals!

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at July 28, 2024 08:41 PM (IFNME)

283 blaster, received and will send a couple of details in the morning. Looking forward to seeing you both. The shootnscoot range will be fun for you both.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 28, 2024 08:41 PM (5MvGY)

284 Picked up an ex-Italian police Beretta 81 at Chantilly last week and took it out this week to test drive it and let everyone else in the DMV club test it out. Each magazine holds 12 rounds of .32 ACP, so it has some capability if you choose to EDC it.
Posted by: Ed L

.32 ACP has a great and justified reputation for killing people. It just has That Special Something. If you want real fun, get a Yugo M70 (There are I think 5 or so Yugo M70s) but in 7.65mm in the heavy steel holster gun, and that thing is a delight.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 08:41 PM (bFId9)

285 267 Well,
The View’s Joy Behar Says Young White Males Buying 50 Rounds of Ammo Should Be Reported (actual GWP headline)
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 28, 2024 08:32 PM (cOq4q)
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Uh oh.
Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 08:32 PM (uGpeQ)
Thank goodness! I'm way above that demographic and that that count. Carry on, Behar. You missed a sport.

Posted by: Eromero at July 28, 2024 08:41 PM (LHPAg)

286 Only time I've had issues with primer fit was from the brass and the pockets - Sellier-Bellot (sp?) - not the primers.

SB pockets are tight. When I'm decapping or priming a batch of mixed brass and one takes more force than most, it's usually a SB.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 28, 2024 08:42 PM (op/7n)

287 Weasel, sorry I’ve been occupied with other things. I use 115 grain, had the cycle problem with the grain I originally purchased, however I don’t remember what it was. With one gun you can tell I’m not a real Horde gun aficionado.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at July 28, 2024 08:42 PM (2NHgQ)

288 Shooting dirty last week, I could see out of the bottom of my eye that the bolt was noticeably slower during recoil.
Posted by: RI Red'

I recall suppressed MP5s would gum up in about two magazines.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 08:42 PM (bFId9)

289 Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at July 28, 2024 08:42 PM (2NHgQ)
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Good to know! Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 08:44 PM (uGpeQ)

290 This is why at the MoMe I find it important to bring in my modest collection so that people can check out my guns and see if they want to buy their own. No sense in buying an M18 if you won't like shooting it.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 28, 2024 08:44 PM (8sMut)

291 Ed L. brought a Beretta something. Model 81? That looks right. In .32acp. As swa said above a sweet little shooter. Its a retired police pistol from probably the 50s or 60s (I am sure Ed L. has the whole provenance for us) and it had old timey blade front sight and a rear notch. Black on black and against a black target near impossible to see. But a very natural point and shoot pistol. I picked it up and put 5 rounds touching at 5 yards. A little higher than I was aiming but just a little.
Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at July 28, 2024 08:37 PM (IFNME)

My Beretta 81 is from the mid to late 70s. Updated versions of this pistol (still in .32 ACP) remained in use by the Italian police as late as 2017 or so until they were replaced by 9mm handguns. Unlike us, the Europeans thought .32 ACP was plenty adequate as a police and rear area military pistol until the early 1970s.

Posted by: Ed L at July 28, 2024 08:46 PM (yRXSd)

292 Tells me that that unit did not have more than the obligatory signoff once per year weapons training
Posted by: whig at July 28, 2024 07:43 PM (qdbNv)

Maybe so, but it was both units with which I was there. And REALLY fun the day 3 soldiers almost in a row did it - with the Command Sgt Major there for the 3rd one, screaming at the first 2 about it. Oh yes, I have actually seen a conniption, and it is not a pretty sight.

Posted by: GWB at July 28, 2024 08:46 PM (AWrpC)

293 Shooting dirty last week, I could see out of the bottom of my eye that the bolt was noticeably slower during recoil.
Posted by: RI Red'

Had that problem today with a 1911 that really needs cleaning. The slide was noticeable sluggish going back into battery on a few rounds. Time to break out the Hoppes.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 28, 2024 08:46 PM (Wnv9h)

294 The USA sent 8 (eight) M1 Garands to Yugoslavia in the immediate post-WW2 years for testing and have markings.
I know a couple guys who know where they are.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 08:46 PM (bFId9)

295 Catch, the MoMe is definitely a place to try it before you buy and thank for sharing your collection.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 28, 2024 08:46 PM (5MvGY)

296 We have taken to changing up what our range activities are to keep us on our toes for competition. One thing we have done is take a target that has 5 bullseye areas and shoot one round at each one. That gives you a little bit of movement and makes you acquire each target.

The range also has this programmable thing where we take that target and send it to three different distances and two shots at one of the bullseyes at each distance - total of 6 rounds so you don't have to do the math. And we go to low ready between distances. Today we did 10 yards, then 20, then 5. Takes a little more time to do it that way but again, a little more movement and practice on target acquistion. Plus the double tap is good for staying on target.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at July 28, 2024 08:47 PM (IFNME)

297 To be truthful, the uncertainty lasted about 90 seconds.
Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 08:41 PM

Just tryin' to look out for you, and get you any and all pertinent information The Horde may have to assist cognitively, amigo.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 28, 2024 08:48 PM (wDM1V)

298 I watched 30 seconds of that travesty featuring Hickok 45 on recoil. Couldn't do any more. The disgust was so evident, I have to credit him for the ability to do that video without vomiting.

How fucking DARE they?

Posted by: IRONGRAMPA at July 28, 2024 08:48 PM (hKoQL)

299 Mr. Scott, does firing yourFPC suppressed affect the cleanliness at all?Being straight blow-back, I just don’t know. My AR 10 gets filthy shooting suppressed.
I find the front part of the bolt on the FPC gets really dirty and the back part really loves lubrication. Shooting dirty last week, I could see out of the bottom of my eye that the bolt was noticeably slower during recoil.

Posted by: RI Red at July 28, 2024 08:39 PM

Yes it does. After 100 rounds or so it gets gritty. We shot it suppressed one day with over 300 rounds and the bolt face was a mass of carbon and unburnt powder buildup and I was starting to get powder blow back out of the side of the bolt onto my arm.

It is so quiet shooting it with subsonic ammo and the suppressor it sounds like someone just dropped a book on the floor.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 28, 2024 08:48 PM (QNSds)

300 292 Tells me that that unit did not have more than the obligatory signoff once per year weapons training
Posted by: whig at July 28, 2024 07:43 PM (qdbNv)

Maybe so, but it was both units with which I was there. And REALLY fun the day 3 soldiers almost in a row did it - with the Command Sgt Major there for the 3rd one, screaming at the first 2 about it. Oh yes, I have actually seen a conniption, and it is not a pretty sight.
Posted by: GWB at July 28, 2024 08:46 PM (AWrpC)
I saw the Command SgtMaj kill the barrel at Camp Arifjan.

Posted by: Eromero at July 28, 2024 08:50 PM (LHPAg)

301 The other great thing about the Texas MoMe is getting to shoot outdoors. Heat, cold, wind , rain. Pretty different from shooting at the indoor range. Shoot and scoot, movement shooting.
Soon....

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 28, 2024 08:51 PM (t/2Uw)

302 Once that is established most of the time one is left alone.
Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 07:50 PM (bFId9)

And, you live in a very scary place. I understand that might be what it takes to be left alone by the hyenas. But, man, that is tough on the soul. IMO.

Posted by: GWB at July 28, 2024 08:51 PM (AWrpC)

303 With suppressors, be careful about cleaning as any replacement part MAY have to be approved by ATF. One cannot just replace a part in a can or modify the can any way you feel like.
Small Arms Review has good articles.

I learned years ago that they are rather delicate things and must be cleaned religiously.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 08:54 PM (bFId9)

304 During one of the EDC mag dumps sra blaster just totally obliterated the bullseye. All gone. It was a very nice group. Stinky's Daddy said about half-jokingly "you should go to the Secret Service!"

Hah fun but I thought about it. I work now supporting an agency with a lot of people authorized to carry guns. They qualify once a year. I don't know how often they get to the range, but I think they get a practice visit to the range before their qualification. Seems plausible that many of them don't shoot any more that in a year.

Meanwhile, with the DMV MGC and our steel shoot competition we are shooting 3 or 4 times a month at 100 rounds per. I said she probably shoots more than 90% of the Secret Service which means she probably shoots better than a lot of them.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at July 28, 2024 08:54 PM (IFNME)

305 Got the web page pulled up. Use of 9mm is highly attractive...

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Related and speaking of 9mm, I haven't looked at options in a while.

Anything better than the HST come out in the last few years?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Make Women Great Again at July 28, 2024 08:54 PM (loGH0)

306 And, you live in a very scary place. I understand that might be what it takes to be left alone by the hyenas. But, man, that is tough on the soul. IMO.
Posted by: GWB'

I don't think so, any place is only as safe as one cares to make it.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 08:55 PM (bFId9)

307 I recommend 'Street Survival' for this, great book.
Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 07:57 PM (bFId9)

Is that with "Special Agent Ronald J Adams"? And Lts McTernan and Remsberg?

Posted by: GWB at July 28, 2024 08:56 PM (AWrpC)

308 And, you live in a very scary place. I understand that might be what it takes to be left alone by the hyenas. But, man, that is tough on the soul. IMO.
Posted by: GWB'

Does anyone ask if some Texas Ranger in 1900 who shot bad guys, was that 'tough on his soul'? It's not to me, I do not see an issue. Yes, I am in more potential violent encounters than most people (apparently) here, but the overwhelming majority end peacefully. Those that do not, well, that's kind of on them.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 08:58 PM (bFId9)

309 I saw the Command SgtMaj kill the barrel at Camp Arifjan.
Posted by: Eromero at July 28, 2024 08:50 PM (LHPAg)

That had to have been fun. In a sick, twisted, peverse sort of way.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 28, 2024 08:59 PM (8sMut)

310 Also a word on dots on your guns. The P320 RXZP has a Romeo Zero Pro. This is a version of the Romeo Zero for full size pistols. Polymer body, and you have to remove the sight to replace the battery.

It works great. Until it doesn't. We had a battery outage two weeks ago and had to change the battery at the range. It did not get re-zeroed. It is close but now slightly off. Needs to go back for re-zero before our next competition.

So, while I am a champion of cheap dots, spend whatever the plus up is to get one that has a battery change without removing the sight.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at July 28, 2024 08:59 PM (IFNME)

311 I think I posted this late in one of the gun threads last month, but ammoseek has a feature that lets you search for MAGAZINES. This is actually pretty useful.

I am finding that we are growing out of the 2 mags you get when buy a gun.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at July 28, 2024 09:01 PM (IFNME)

312 Is that with "Special Agent Ronald J Adams"? And Lts McTernan and Remsberg?
Posted by: GWB'

Yes! I had to go look. One may mock this book as obsolete but it has two things I learned that even many cops never do: one, know your fucking gun. Two, authoritative verbal commands will defuse situations that would otherwise turn violent. I used all the lessons in this book doing utility disconnects unarmed in a total ghetto and it shocked me how often people would just react like any other mammal at a shouted command.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 09:02 PM (bFId9)

313 And shoot and dance and drink ...
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 28, 2024 08:08 PM (t/2Uw)

Just not all at the same time.

Posted by: GWB at July 28, 2024 09:02 PM (AWrpC)

314
Yes it does. After 100 rounds or so it gets gritty. We shot it suppressed one day with over 300 rounds and the bolt face was a mass of carbon and unburnt powder buildup and I was starting to get powder blow back out of the side of the bolt onto my arm.

During my 10,000 round endurance trials on my QD titanium suppressor for the AR 10 or 15 platform I would normally shoot 300- 400 rd serials. The design precludes gas blow back or blow by, but they would get dirty using standard SS109 ammo. I never had stoppages due to a slowing cyclic rate as I run everything dripping wet. I never bothered cleaning too much except for hosing lube like CRC 556 to wash out gunk and running my oil mix sauce as lube. Every 2-3000 rds I would clean the BCG by wiping with rags and carry on. Lube is the answer. Excess lube is the total solution.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 09:02 PM (bgJ0E)

315 I stress, I walk to my office at night. I have somewhere to go, I work, I am a productive member of society, so some lowlife impeding me or trying to rob me is not worth my time.
They make me tired.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 09:04 PM (bFId9)

316 I saw the Command SgtMaj kill the barrel at Camp Arifjan.
Posted by: Eromero at July 28, 2024 08:50 PM (LHPAg)

I heard an O-6 kill the clearing barrel at USACE Gulf Region Division HQ in the IZ in Baghdad. Also heard the kill shot from an E-8 and O-3 for the same clearing barrel at HQ US Forces Afghanistan. Never saw an ND from any of the line units I worked with (2007-8, 2011-12). Only the fobbits/REMFs became serial clearing barrel killers from what I saw.

Posted by: Ed L at July 28, 2024 09:04 PM (yRXSd)

317 That rifle that Stinky's Daddy brought can be found here:

https://mtnbilly.com/goat-15-h2/

I forgot to mention the weight. 3 punds fully loaded! (5 rounds).

If any of you had a plastic toy M16 that you used to play army with it seems very much like that.

Posted by: blaster - Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat at July 28, 2024 09:05 PM (IFNME)

318 Excess lube is the total solution.
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2'

I assume you are also in NZ, what are the laws on suppressor part replacement there?

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 09:05 PM (bFId9)

319 NZ Frank, agreed. Lube is love!

Posted by: RI Red at July 28, 2024 09:06 PM (ZCQSS)

320 RI passed another gun lock law, and it looks like I'm going to have to do something with the family 100y/o side by side two trigger shotgun.
Does anyone know of any trigger looks that would fit something like this.
Somebody else mentioned to me something like a shell style lock that you can fit in each barrell.
Any help would be appreciated. Really don't want to buy a $500 gun safe for the one long gun in the house.
Posted by: From about That Time at July 28, 2024 07:37 PM (4780s)

Could you just put a rubber sleeve on the shackle of a bicycle lock, and slide it in behind the trigger? Are the triggers also side-by-side, or placed fore and aft?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 28, 2024 09:08 PM (NQI1v)

321 doing utility disconnects unarmed in a total ghetto and it shocked me how often people would just react like any other mammal at a shouted command.
Posted by: Len Neal'

The first time I tried the shouted command I almost fucked it up, I could not believe it. Some furious dude came out and I used the Cadence, not a scream but a... 'Authoritative Command', I raised my voice and said, "Stop. NOW!" And he DID!
I almost shit myself. I had to collect what to do, it was so unexpected! Dude totally stopped his attack.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 09:09 PM (bFId9)

322 182 ... "I'm shocked at how expensive even a turret press is these days."

Yeah, I get sticker shock at gun gear prices all the time. But I was surprised that the heavy duty Lee single stage press is still under 100 dollars and the lighter press under 50. They may not be as fast as a progressive press but will do everything needed. Heck, the Lee Classic Loader kit, the whack-a-mole type, will do the job if you only need to neck size rifle cases.

Posted by: JTB at July 28, 2024 09:09 PM (zudum)

323 I assume you are also in NZ, what are the laws on suppressor part replacement there?
Posted by: Len Neal

None. No AFT, no stamp tax, they are just to protect your ears.
We however are going thru all sorts of other gun law hell currently, but pre 2019 we we pretty good law wise.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 09:09 PM (bgJ0E)

324 Could you just put a rubber sleeve on the shackle of a bicycle lock, and slide it in behind the trigger? Are the triggers also side-by-side, or placed fore and aft?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon'

Oh come on, if it's a double gun it will come in half. He can store it that way. AOP.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 09:10 PM (bFId9)

325 it's actually a very watchable and dramatic sports event
Posted by: rhomboid at July 28, 2024 08:18 PM (GcNJ2)

It was the main reason I went and learned to cross-country ski. I was at Eielson AFB in Fairbanks, AK for the winter Olympics (early? 90s), and spending more time on the ground than I wanted, and watched a goodly amount of it. So I went out to the on-base ski course with a buddy (who also had never done it before) and we did the short circuit twice before it was too dark to see. Very fun and a couple of stories from it.

(I also got to watch the start of a sled race there - not the Iditarod.)

Posted by: GWB at July 28, 2024 09:11 PM (AWrpC)

326 Posted by: JTB at July 28, 2024 09:09 PM (zudum)
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I use single stage presses for everything.

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 09:12 PM (uGpeQ)

327 “one long gun in the house.”
I think I see your problem.

Posted by: RI Red at July 28, 2024 09:12 PM (ZCQSS)

328 I heard an O-6 kill the clearing barrel at USACE Gulf Region Division HQ in the IZ in Baghdad. Also heard the kill shot from an E-8 and O-3 for the same clearing barrel at HQ US Forces Afghanistan. Never saw an ND from any of the line units I worked with (2007-8, 2011-12). Only the fobbits/REMFs became serial clearing barrel killers from what I saw.
Posted by: Ed L'

Jeeee-zus

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 09:13 PM (bFId9)

329 Could you just put a rubber sleeve on the shackle of a bicycle lock, and slide it in behind the trigger? Are the triggers also side-by-side, or placed fore and aft?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon'

Oh come on, if it's a double gun it will come in half. He can store it that way. AOP.
Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 09:10 PM (bFId9)
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I think that's a good suggestion, AOP.

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 09:13 PM (uGpeQ)

330 https://mtnbilly.com/goat-15-h2/

Sounded interesting but I noped out of that site. I'm OK with clicking an "I'm over 18" button if I must but I'm not entering a DOB, even a fake one. Fix your damn website.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 28, 2024 09:14 PM (/y8xj)

331 309 I saw the Command SgtMaj kill the barrel at Camp Arifjan.
Posted by: Eromero at July 28, 2024 08:50 PM (LHPAg)

That had to have been fun. In a sick, twisted, peverse sort of way.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 28, 2024 08:59 PM (8sMut)
It was.

Posted by: Eromero at July 28, 2024 09:16 PM (LHPAg)

332 Guns! Late but...Guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at July 28, 2024 09:16 PM (xcxpd)

333 {{{GWB}}}
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at July 28, 2024 08:31 PM (t/2Uw)

{{{Sharon}}}

Posted by: GWB at July 28, 2024 09:17 PM (AWrpC)

334 I use single stage presses for everything.
Posted by: Weasel

Yeeerrrp. I have 4 presses setup with an old CH sngle stage that has 4 die holder and four shell holders. I can have three or four calibres set up and not move a thing.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 09:18 PM (bgJ0E)

335 Jeez, MAE! It’s only just after 6 where you are.

Posted by: RI Red at July 28, 2024 09:18 PM (ZCQSS)

336 DO NOT list reloading powder charge weights on this thread.

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 09:18 PM (uGpeQ)

337 Did some more shooting with my PSA Micro-Dagger with red dot. It sure feels good in the hand, a little snappy in recoil but not bad. Not even to .40 S&W levels. We'll see how durability is. One bad thing: it chews up Glock 48 mags. I need to find my PSA 15 round mags and see if they do the same thing. Might be a chamber issue with over insertion.

That's what she said.

Also put about 16 rounds through my Ruger Blackhawk in .30 carbine. That damn thing...see, the rounds go into the cylinder fine but after firing, the brass expands enough that you have to REALLY hammer the ejector rod to get them out. It makes it...not fun to shoot. So it's going on the shelf and I'll put something else in it's place on the coat tree.

Also brought my Turkish double barrel. It made good booms. But shot spread at 25 yards is pretty wide with my buckshot. Good for man hitting but not precise. Need more Federal Flite-control ammo.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at July 28, 2024 09:19 PM (xcxpd)

338 Jeeee-zus
Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 09:13 PM (bFId9)

As a fobbit, your skill at getting the daily briefs up in Power Poin was/is far more important to a good OER than your weapons skills and safely handling your assigned weapon. At least that's the way it seemed to me. Also, for my first trip to the sandbox back in '91, I had NCO's w/ Vietnam experience who pounded into me the importance of safe handling of your assigned weapons. Didn't have any ND's in my platoon or company back then, thanks to them.

Posted by: Ed L at July 28, 2024 09:19 PM (yRXSd)

339 DO NOT list reloading powder charge weights on this thread.
Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 09:18 PM (uGpeQ)

How about Queensryche lyrics, boss?

Posted by: RI Red at July 28, 2024 09:20 PM (ZCQSS)

340 My buddy and I went to the steel range yesterday, shot an assortment of 9mm and .45acp. Most pleasant surprise was the BUL 1911 Gov Model in .9mm. Damn that thin is accurate, no recoil, light trigger. I am almost to the point where I would carry it.

Posted by: Eromero at July 28, 2024 09:20 PM (LHPAg)

341 I almost shit myself. I had to collect what to do, it was so unexpected! Dude totally stopped his attack.
Posted by: Len Neal'

The 'Verbal Command' part of Street Survival book is worth it. It's astounding how people will react to simple commands. They're like dogs or horses. The first time I did it I had to think fast about what to do with the guy, now under my command. He literally stopped and waited for me to tell him what to do, when one second previously he was ready to rip my head off.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 09:21 PM (bFId9)

342 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 09:18 PM (bgJ0E)
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One for depriming, one for full length sizing, and an arbor press and micrometer dies for seating!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 09:21 PM (uGpeQ)

343 DO NOT list reloading powder charge weights on this thread.
Posted by: Weasel'

Noted, but honestly would anybody blow themselves up with that.
I understand. Again, noted.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 09:22 PM (bFId9)

344 DO NOT list reloading powder charge weights on this thread.
Posted by: Weasel'

Noted, but honestly would anybody blow themselves up with that.
I understand. Again, noted.
Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 09:22 PM (bFId9)
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I don't give a shit. Don't do it again.

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 09:23 PM (uGpeQ)

345 I just bought a boat load of 22 that my P322 absolutely hates. Knew I shouldn't have gone all it on that sale.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 28, 2024 09:23 PM (b4o9z)

346 Ohhh. I fergot. Pick up my new .308 barrel tomorrow.
30 inch 1/10 twist stainless. 30mm from knox to muzzle. Zero taper Am taking to it with the mill to harmonically deaden it. Local mate of mine made the barrel. Lapped and gauged.
Making and adapter so I can have either an TRG type brake or one of my QD suppressors. I hope it shoots ok.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 09:24 PM (bgJ0E)

347 One for depriming, one for full length sizing, and an arbor press and micrometer dies for seating!
Posted by: Weasel'

8mm, I cast all my Yugo rifles and they all came out the same so I use a neck sizing Lee die.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 09:24 PM (bFId9)

348 Trivia - George Patton competed in the 1912 Olympics in the first competition of the modern pentathlon (pistol shooting, running, swimming, fencing). No medals, though.

Posted by: Ed L at July 28, 2024 09:25 PM (yRXSd)

349 No medals, though.
Posted by: Ed L at July 28, 2024 09:25 PM (yRXSd)

No drag queens either.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at July 28, 2024 09:26 PM (b4o9z)

350 I don't give a shit. Don't do it again.
Posted by: Weasel'

Okay then, Tough Guy.
Maybe we'll meet one day.

Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 09:26 PM (bFId9)

351 And while we are talking reloading, I’m finding .308 incredibly good. For some reason all my SDs are teens or less and the extreme spreads are small.
I’m being very careful on using same brass and primers, but these are even better consistency- wise than my 6.5 Creeds.

Posted by: RI Red at July 28, 2024 09:26 PM (ZCQSS)

352 No O'Dea why outgoing artillery fite

Posted by: Skip at July 28, 2024 09:27 PM (fwDg9)

353 Okay then, Tough Guy.
Maybe we'll meet one day.
Posted by: Len Neal

Having a bad day?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 09:27 PM (bgJ0E)

354 Having a bad day?
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 09:27 PM (bgJ0E)
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I believe you will find Len Neal is unable to reply.

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 09:29 PM (uGpeQ)

355 So, what caliber is that ban hammer, boss?

Posted by: RI Red at July 28, 2024 09:30 PM (ZCQSS)

356 ----
I believe you will find Len Neal is unable to reply.

Shame, he sounded nice.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 09:30 PM (bgJ0E)

357 Nobody rules these streets at night like me, the Atomic Brain!

Posted by: David Nerd Roth at July 28, 2024 09:32 PM (3/XaG)

358 Anyway...back to the subject at hand. Thanks for the trigger pull video Weasel. I've been focusing on that almost exclusively in my recent range sessions and finding improvement. It helped to be a lot more intentional about it. Fundamentals for the win!

Posted by: TRex at July 28, 2024 09:33 PM (IQ6Gq)

359 LenNeal, you are a poor guest in someone else's house.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 28, 2024 09:33 PM (5MvGY)

360 Amazing how one douchebag can ruin a perfectly good gub.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 28, 2024 09:33 PM (mH6SG)

361 I've started loading 29 rounds into my 30 round AR mags. So much easier to get the mag to seat in the firearm first time without slamming. Anyone else do this?

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 28, 2024 09:34 PM (/U5Yz)

362 Posted by: TRex at July 28, 2024 09:33 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Glad to hear it!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 09:34 PM (uGpeQ)

363 And while we are talking reloading, I’m finding .308 incredibly good. For some reason all my SDs are teens or less and the extreme spreads are small.
I’m being very careful on using same brass and primers, but these are even better consistency- wise than my 6.5 Creeds.
Posted by: RI Red

Welcome back to what we have all know since 1952. Good old .308

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 09:35 PM (bgJ0E)

364 Late to the fun but got through the content and comments. Thanks Weasel.

Posted by: scampydog at July 28, 2024 09:35 PM (41CYW)

365 Posted by: scampydog at July 28, 2024 09:35 PM (41CYW)
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Happy to do it!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 09:36 PM (uGpeQ)

366 NZFrank, having been born that year, I didn’t quite get into it then!

Posted by: RI Red at July 28, 2024 09:37 PM (ZCQSS)

367 I've started loading 29 rounds into my 30 round AR mags. So much easier to get the mag to seat in the firearm first time without slamming. Anyone else do this?

For shooting at the range, I usually load mags with 5 or 10 rounds. I can't count up to 30.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 28, 2024 09:37 PM (/y8xj)

368 I've started loading 29 rounds into my 30 round AR mags. So much easier to get the mag to seat in the firearm first time without slamming. Anyone else do this?
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 28, 2024 09:34 PM (/U5Yz)

I had to do this w/ the old GI magazines in the 1980s and 1990s, especially old, beat up ones. More modern magazines like P-Mags can be loaded up full w/ 30 rounds w/o any problems. I routinely carried 30 rounds in my M4 magazines in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Posted by: Ed L at July 28, 2024 09:39 PM (yRXSd)

369 No shooting this week - vacationing at the beach. I did notice at Mass this morning they had signs on all the doors: "No guns or weapons allowed".

That should keep the bad guys out!

How sad.

Posted by: Tonypete at July 28, 2024 09:39 PM (6WCwE)

370 Time for me to punch out.

Thanks, Weasel san, for consistently great Gub Thread content.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 28, 2024 09:39 PM (Wnv9h)

371 For shooting at the range, I usually load mags with 5 or 10 rounds. I can't count up to 30.
Posted by: Oddbob

All of my mags are 30 rounds. I am on a mission to stock up on 10 and 20 round mags.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 28, 2024 09:39 PM (/U5Yz)

372 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 28, 2024 09:39 PM (Wnv9h)
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My pleasure. Thanks for being here RMBS!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 09:40 PM (uGpeQ)

373 Ja, punch out time.
Thanks, Weasel, as always.

Posted by: RI Red at July 28, 2024 09:40 PM (ZCQSS)

374 Posted by: RI Red at July 28, 2024 09:40 PM (ZCQSS)
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Adios, amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 09:41 PM (uGpeQ)

375 I've started loading 29 rounds into my 30 round AR mags. So much easier to get the mag to seat in the firearm first time without slamming. Anyone else do this?
Posted by: Maj. Healey

Yep. A pretty salty instructor pointed that out to me years ago. Great advice.

Posted by: Tonypete at July 28, 2024 09:41 PM (6WCwE)

376 I had to do this w/ the old GI magazines in the 1980s and 1990s, especially old, beat up ones. More modern magazines like P-Mags can be loaded up full w/ 30 rounds w/o any problems. I routinely carried 30 rounds in my M4 magazines in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Posted by: Ed L

I've had trouble now and then with the Magpuls with 30 rounds. Even in my Colt M4.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 28, 2024 09:41 PM (/U5Yz)

377 369 No shooting this week - vacationing at the beach. I did notice at Mass this morning they had signs on all the doors: "No guns or weapons allowed".

That should keep the bad guys out!

How sad.
Posted by: Tonypete at July 28, 2024 09:39 PM (6WCwE)

The bad guys are known to just say "Oh OK" and turn the other direction and walk away.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 28, 2024 09:41 PM (8sMut)

378 The 2024 US team has the most gay, lesbian, gender-queer and trans athletes in the history of the Olympics.

Posted by: Mr. Ray at July 28, 2024 09:42 PM (7ik3U)

379 And while we are talking reloading, I’m finding .308 incredibly good.

Just to go on with this a bit. A lot of people for various reasons ask me about what rifle calibre to use. And I always say , the cheapest for what job you want to do. If you did a range of shooting from hunting, self defense , competition or long range, you can probably achieve all this with only four different calibres. Most of the newer releases to the market in the last decade or so are simply gimmicks to sell stuff or re-works of previous stuff. There is very little new under the sun in the gun game.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 09:42 PM (bgJ0E)

380 Weasel thank you for the gun thread and also everything you do for the TXMoMe.

You are the very best, my friend.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 28, 2024 09:42 PM (5MvGY)

381 Weasel, I sent in a couple of thread submissions that got caught up in the nuttiness of a couple of weeks ago. Should I resubmit them?

Posted by: Ed L at July 28, 2024 09:43 PM (yRXSd)

382 It's pretty funny that the most masculine Olympic athletes from the U.S. are the gymnasts.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Make Women Great Again at July 28, 2024 09:43 PM (loGH0)

383 Posted by: Ben Had at July 28, 2024 09:42 PM (5MvGY)
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Thank you. Just happy to be a part of it!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 09:43 PM (uGpeQ)

384 Never saw an ND from any of the line units I worked with (2007-8, 2011-12).
Posted by: Ed L at July 28, 2024 09:04 PM (yRXSd)

There are a lot of years between my Bosnia experience and your ME experience, and a LOT more combat in your case. It makes sense. Most of the knuckleheads in my experience were guys walking perimeter patrol of the base, and their entire routine while there was to put a mag in, load a round, walk their tour, then unload and pull the trigger in a clearing barrel. (And I'm not sure about the "load a round" part.)

I watched the infantry folks get VERY excited any time they thought the Serbs were playing games with their restricted vehicles. They really were itching to do something. (And the AA guys wanting to shoot down some aircraft they misidentified. Hoo boy.)

Posted by: GWB at July 28, 2024 09:43 PM (AWrpC)

385 Posted by: Ed L at July 28, 2024 09:43 PM (yRXSd)
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Nope, I have them. Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 09:44 PM (uGpeQ)

386 335 Jeez, MAE! It’s only just after 6 where you are.
Posted by: RI Red at July 28, 2024 09:18 PM (ZCQSS)

Pups make it hard to make the thread, damn it.
I miss hanging out here. But needy lab pup is needy.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at July 28, 2024 09:44 PM (xcxpd)

387 OK, 9:45 thank you time!

Thank you!

Hope to see (almost) all of you next week!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 09:45 PM (uGpeQ)

388 378 The 2024 US team has the most gay, lesbian, gender-queer and trans athletes in the history of the Olympics.
Posted by: Mr. Ray at July 28, 2024 09:42 PM (7ik3U)

Posted by: There Is Nothing More Important Than Being Gay at July 28, 2024 09:45 PM (8sMut)

389 I've had trouble now and then with the Magpuls with 30 rounds. Even in my Colt M4.
Posted by: Maj. Healey

Generally they are very good but can be prone to stretching out when hot and slightly deforming. 29 rounds in mandatory in Bren guns, but GOOD mags in AR platform should take 30 without trouble .

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 09:45 PM (bgJ0E)

390 Good evening all. Great thread as always and thank you Weasel

Posted by: Coelacanth at July 28, 2024 09:45 PM (ado5X)

391 Good nite y'all. Thanks for being here. Thanks Weasel for the Weasel-wisdom and hosting a gathering in this little corner of the interweb. Glad you had a good holiday.

Posted by: TRex at July 28, 2024 09:46 PM (IQ6Gq)

392 Most of the newer releases to the market in the last decade or so are simply gimmicks to sell stuff or re-works of previous stuff. There is very little new under the sun in the gun game.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 09:42 PM (bgJ0E)

I agree that there are basic calibers that will do most of what most people need...and very well!

But there are improvements to those basic calibers for the 1% who really need them. For instance...Weasel didn't shoot .308...he shot .264x48.6x521...or whatever the most accurate round was. Most of us can't tell the difference, but those very few people who need the absolute best? Yeah...they can tell.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 28, 2024 09:46 PM (d9fT1)

393 Posted by: Coelacanth at July 28, 2024 09:45 PM (ado5X)
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Thank you!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 09:46 PM (uGpeQ)

394 I've had trouble now and then with the Magpuls with 30 rounds. Even in my Colt M4.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 28, 2024 09:41 PM (/U5Yz)

Any magazine that gives me trouble either 1) gets consigned to the for training only pile or 2) gets thrown out and replaced w/ a new one.

Posted by: Ed L at July 28, 2024 09:46 PM (yRXSd)

395 Re: .308

I've got a .30-06 in stuff just because I've shot it my entire life, but if I were starting today I'd certainly go with .308. I've only got one rifle that uses it and compared to a similar hunting rifle it's a much more polite round to practice with than my .30-06. I mostly just make sure it's zeroed before hunting season begins, but still. I like it a lot but three or four rounds and I'm about ready to move on to something else.

Dang, I just noticed that it's nearly ONT time. Better late than never I guess. Thanks as always, Weasel.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Make Women Great Again at July 28, 2024 09:47 PM (loGH0)

396 Posted by: TRex at July 28, 2024 09:46 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Thanks for being here!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 09:47 PM (uGpeQ)

397 How sad.

Posted by: Tonypete at July 28, 2024 09:39 PM (6WCwE)

Please tell me that you ignored the sign and were carrying something very large with lots of mags!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 28, 2024 09:48 PM (d9fT1)

398 Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 09:45 PM (uGpeQ)

Thanks for hosting, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at July 28, 2024 09:48 PM (yRXSd)

399 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 28, 2024 09:46 PM (d9fT1)
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But the teams I coached were all shooting .308!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 09:49 PM (uGpeQ)

400 Thanks Mr Weasel, gotta go and beat new people with spare barrels in the next lesson which is due soon. Hope the voice lasts. Night to you all.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 09:49 PM (bgJ0E)

401 Okay then, Tough Guy.
Maybe we'll meet one day.
Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 09:26 PM (bFId9)

SIGH. And this is where you tip over into How Not To Win Friends And Influence People. Please don't do that.

Posted by: GWB at July 28, 2024 09:50 PM (AWrpC)

402 But the teams I coached were all shooting .308!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 09:49 PM (uGpeQ)

Way to destroy my point!

I thought .308 got wobbly out at long distances?

Or is that just what you told me because MY .308 got wobbly?

Harrumph!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 28, 2024 09:50 PM (d9fT1)

403 Posted by: Ed L at July 28, 2024 09:48 PM (yRXSd)
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Thank you for all the support!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 09:50 PM (uGpeQ)

404 Okay then, Tough Guy.
Maybe we'll meet one day.
Posted by: Len Neal at July 28, 2024 09:26 PM (bFId9)

Good bye.

Come back in two weeks.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 28, 2024 09:51 PM (d9fT1)

405 CBD, you are being generous.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 28, 2024 09:52 PM (5MvGY)

406 Harrumph!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 28, 2024 09:50 PM (d9fT1)
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We'll make an F-Class T/R competitor out of you yet!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 09:52 PM (uGpeQ)

407 I have a bunch of USGI mags that I rebuilt with new followers and springs. Those suckers work better than most of the Magpuls. That’s before we get to .308 and the KAC mags, which are indestructible.

Posted by: Marcus T at July 28, 2024 09:52 PM (jiqBg)

408 Heya CBD!

I shot a bunch of .45 yesterday. Damn fine too, if I do say so myself. Hope
You've been to the range, cause it's going to be a shootout in Corsicana this year!

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 28, 2024 09:52 PM (HXGNm)

409 G'nite, Weasel. As always, thanks much.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 28, 2024 09:53 PM (mH6SG)

410 I be proud to announce thats Brattelboro supports Kammala Haris for Presdent. We must erect her to shoe the wolrd...........

We hates Trump two !!!!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro,Vt at July 28, 2024 09:54 PM (hbjSA)

411 Good bye.

Come back in two weeks.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 28, 2024 09:51 PM (d9fT1)
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Or never. He's already once promised to never post on the Gun Thread again, and that only lasted a few weeks. He is not welcome to post here again. Ever. I see it, and I'm deleting it.

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 09:54 PM (uGpeQ)

412 I shot a bunch of .45 yesterday. Damn fine too, if I do say so myself. Hope You've been to the range, cause it's going to be a shootout in Corsicana this year!

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 28, 2024 09:52 PM (HXGNm)

That's adorable!

Yeah .45ACP rifles can be quite accurate. When you feel really comfortable...try a pistol!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 28, 2024 09:55 PM (d9fT1)

413 We'll meet again
Don't know where
Don't know when

But we'll meet again
Some sunny day

Posted by: Mr. Ray at July 28, 2024 09:55 PM (7ik3U)

414 Come back in two weeks.

Or...don't.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at July 28, 2024 09:55 PM (mH6SG)

415 Thank you, Weasel, for another great Gun Thread.
Night, all y'all!

Posted by: GWB at July 28, 2024 09:55 PM (AWrpC)

416 He is not welcome to post here again. Ever. I see it, and I'm deleting it.

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 09:54 PM (uGpeQ)

My apologies. I will of course defer to you.

I just banned the hash, and I will look into its ISP.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 28, 2024 09:56 PM (d9fT1)

417 413 We'll meet again
Don't know where
Don't know when

But we'll meet again
Some sunny day
Posted by: Mr. Ray at July 28, 2024 09:55 PM (7ik3U)

(cue nukes going off) = Dr. Strangelove

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 28, 2024 09:56 PM (8sMut)

418 That's adorable!

Yeah .45ACP rifles can be quite accurate. When you feel really comfortable...try a pistol!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July

Or, you could bring your rifle again and I can show you how to shoot it.

Posted by: nurse ratched at July 28, 2024 09:56 PM (HXGNm)

419 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 28, 2024 09:56 PM (d9fT1)
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No worries, bud.

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 09:57 PM (uGpeQ)

420 Thanks Weasel and CBD.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 28, 2024 09:58 PM (ltehs)

421 Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 28, 2024 09:58 PM (ltehs)
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You bet!

'nite!

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 10:00 PM (uGpeQ)

422 354 Having a bad day?
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at July 28, 2024 09:27 PM (bgJ0E)
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I believe you will find Len Neal is unable to reply.

Posted by: Weasel at July 28, 2024 09:29 PM (uGpeQ)

Good riddance. Hopefully it's permanent and not just a timeout.

Posted by: BillyD at July 28, 2024 10:01 PM (Yt3ED)

423 good night all....see you next week with a range report!

Posted by: Grateful at July 28, 2024 10:02 PM (IQ6Gq)

424 An 18 minute video on how to load and unload a pistol? Seriously? What's next? Perhaps we will see a 90 minute video on how to insert and remove cartridges from a 7-round magazine. Maybe we could break it into 3 parts and turn it into a 3 hour miniseries.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at July 29, 2024 09:26 AM (mQxC9)

425 Mrs. GR8RDave has both the Sig 938 and a (really pretty!!!) Kimber Micro 9. After a couple of thousand rounds through the Sig, and a couple of hundred through the Kimber, the Sig is the winner in my opinion. Using a variety of name brand 9 mil based on whatever is on sale, the Sig seems easier to run and easier to shoot well. Your mileage may vary.

For my credentials, I have a medium - large watch. Casio with an analog face coupled with atomic time keeping, as well as altimeter, barometer, and thermometer.

Posted by: GR8RDave at July 30, 2024 02:13 AM (w9gSy)

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