Periodic Aviation Thread [Roger Ball]

Greetings Horde! It’s the weekend and I’ve been blessed to provide a midday thread for your entertainment. And a great day it is, but not as great as tomorrow! Tomorrow is the opening day of the biggest, best airshow on the planet: the Experimental Aircraft Association AIR VENTURE. So let’s go!

The banner photo was taken by Laurie Goossens who does nice work. I’m not shilling for her, but I like this photo because it takes me back to 1979 on the USS Independence (CV-62).

In those days, aircraft carriers had their own COD (Carrier Onboard Delivery) aircraft. The Grumman C-1 Trader was adapted from the S2F anti-submarine warfare aircraft. The C-1 would allow pilots assigned to ship’s company to maintain their flying skills and retain flight pay while providing great service to the ship by transferring people, cargo and mail as needed. Any officer from the CO down to division officers, if they could find the time, could get checked out. I was a junior LSO in one of the CAG-6 squadrons, so I had the opportunity to wave that airplane and ride as a passenger several times. She [the airplane] was affectionately named “Miss Bell”, which you may be able to make out below the Liberty Bell on the engine nacelle.

Air Venture is the most amazing immersive experience anyone remotely interested in aviation can have. In fact, even if you’re not particularly interested in aviation, it is still a huge party with food, music, light shows and people from all over the world. You never know what you will see or hear. Careful planning must be considered if one plans to attend, otherwise there is a risk of being quickly overwhelmed and exhausted. Why, this year, you might even win an auction for a 1970 VW Kombi. How cool would that be? And you don’t have to know or care anything about airplanes!

The EAA was “founded in 1953 by a group of individuals in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, who were interested in building their own airplanes. The EAA expanded its mission of growing participation in aviation to include antiques, classics, warbirds, aerobatic aircraft, ultralights, helicopters, and contemporary manufactured aircraft.” There were over a quarter of a million pilot and builder members as of spring 2024. The organization is a treasure trove of knowledge and talent as well as providing preservation of antique, classic and warbird aircraft. And, by its “experimental” name, the EAA is the largest organization supporting “home built” aircraft which are in the “EXPERIMENTAL” aircraft category.

For some spectacular visuals, check out the Air Venture flickr album. In fact, on February 15, 1977, I flew my very first Navy flight from NAS Whiting North in this airplane:

And here’s my logbook to prove it:

I don’t remember much other than my instructor was a P-3 guy, Lt. Dan Duke, who was a great instructor. I had over 300 hours at that point, and I think he was just happy to have a student that wouldn’t try to kill him right away. I also remember “global warming” had not taken effect yet. It was so cold in north Florida that year that it snowed twice in the Pensacola area. I’m sure many of the Horde remember the “coming Ice Age”?

I apologize for the squirrel moment. I hope this hasn’t bored the Horde but I will admit that I have a sickness: aviation. It has been a lifetime affliction and there is no cure other than the final cure. However, if I have sparked your interest in the “greatest air show on earth”, explore the
Air Venture News and Multimedia website. There is plenty there to occupy your time with your favorite beverage or two. In fact, you don’t have to wait until tomorrow. You can browse the various webcams placed around the field right now. My favorite predictably is the Warbird Plaza camera.

Enjoy a blessed Sunday!

Roger.Ball.OK at proton dot me

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1 Good afternoon everyone

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2024 12:00 PM (fwDg9)

2 Good day all

Posted by: 2009Refugee at July 21, 2024 12:01 PM (8AONa)

3 BOING!

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 21, 2024 12:01 PM (2lzfn)

4 All I get to see here is the same F-16s, day after day after day after day...

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 21, 2024 12:02 PM (2lzfn)

5 Hello hordelings.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at July 21, 2024 12:03 PM (4XwPj)

6 Zoomies

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 21, 2024 12:04 PM (Q4IgG)

7 Air Venture is the most amazing immersive experience anyone remotely interested in aviation can have.

It's been on my bucket list forever along with the Reno Air Races. I really need to start working on that list before it's too late.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 21, 2024 12:05 PM (/y8xj)

8 That photo of the T-28 brings back hobby memories. That was the second model I ever built and the paint job came out pretty nicely.

On the real aviation side, it's been about 24 years since I've exercised the privilege. Nuts.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at July 21, 2024 12:06 PM (/HDaX)

9 Dang. I always wanted to go to the EEA flyin.
I grew up at a little airport in Vancouver WA called Evergreen. There was a flying club there that was mostly antique airplanes. My dad joined when he was learning to fly. What a great time to be a kid. I helped to rebuild old aircraft including a Waco, Tiger Moth, Globe Swift, and a Hawker Hurricane.
It was awesome.
Sadly haven't flown in ahhhh...29 years.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 21, 2024 12:07 PM (W/lyH)

10 I was on the Indy in 68 with VF84. Naval Aviation, the gold standard.

Posted by: Eromero at July 21, 2024 12:08 PM (LHPAg)

11 I like air shows, would go to one in a heartbeat. But do remember when in England lost a A-10 in a Air show accident

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2024 12:08 PM (fwDg9)

12 Dang. About when was that, Skip?

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at July 21, 2024 12:09 PM (/HDaX)

13 I think the last remaining S-3 "Viking" ASW aircraft was finally retired. I believe it was flying for NASA. 50 years of service.

https://tinyurl.com/mvxdj79n

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 21, 2024 12:10 PM (Q4IgG)

14 Thank you Roger.

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at July 21, 2024 12:11 PM (d9Cw3)

15 My late first husband was an A&P mechanic for a crappy little cargo airline. He was all about the airplanes. They had to replace a cockpit window and he "salvaged" the cracked old one. My dad and I turned it in to a side table.
Hubbymayhem and I built a steampunk lamp that has an old altimeter in it.
And many moons ago I had the "cup" part of a piston from an airplane engine as an ashtray.
I have also been to the Patterson Wright Air Force museum in Dayton Ohio.

That's my sum total of airplane knowledge. Although I have been on a couple of long haul flights. One to Germany and one to China.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at July 21, 2024 12:12 PM (4XwPj)

16 I would go to that event just to try to win that VW.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at July 21, 2024 12:14 PM (4XwPj)

17 Is Air Venture always in Oshkosh?

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 21, 2024 12:15 PM (VavZF)

18 This feels like one of those threads where Telly Savalas recites the splendor of "IF".

Posted by: Rupert Pupkin at July 21, 2024 12:16 PM (2UBPP)

19 This post served as a reminder for me to see where Kyle Franklin is performing this year. Looks like at least one show in easy driving distance.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 21, 2024 12:17 PM (/y8xj)

20 This topic dovetails nicely with our discussion about shooting down aircraft with small arms.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 21, 2024 12:18 PM (3wi/L)

21 My late first husband and his dad went to Oshkosh a few times. I was not invited to go along. The asshole didn't like me. It was mutual.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at July 21, 2024 12:18 PM (4XwPj)

22 B-25 sighting on the webcam. ✈️

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 21, 2024 12:19 PM (Q4IgG)

23

We should talk about how James Bond kills Captain Kirk with his tits...

Posted by: Lance Hardrock at July 21, 2024 12:19 PM (wsBcl)

24 Ha! We'd just PCS'd to NTTC Corry Field in Pensacola from Gander, Newfoundland. We were incredulous at the panic over snow that wasn't even sticking to the streets and sidewalks. It was barely a layer on the grass. Schools shut down in the middle of the day it started snowing around 1-2 PM. I was bused home from middle school, but my brothers and sister in elementary school weren't allowed to walk home by themselves. Someone had to go get them, so Mom had to walk to their school and get them. When we'd left Newfoundland that December, there was a couple of feet of snow on the ground, and the drive to the ferry to the mainland at Port aux Basque was in a blizzard almost the entire way. 1/4" of snow in Florida is Snowmageddon.

Posted by: Larry at July 21, 2024 12:19 PM (/LUn2)

25
All I get to see here is the same F-16s, day after day after day after day...

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 21, 2024 12:02 PM

9/12/2001 only planes in the sky in my area.

:: Bites bottom lip ala Bill Clinton ::

I feel your pain...
But not nearly as much as someone who goes through it day after day. [obscenity redacted] islamists.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at July 21, 2024 12:20 PM (RKVpM)

26 One should never redact the obscenity when referring to the goat fucking lunatics of Islam.

Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at July 21, 2024 12:22 PM (4XwPj)

27 I don't intend to ever get on an airplane again in this lifetime. I may have to at some point, but it won't be by choice.

Nothing worse than being herded like cattle by nazis who may end up killing you by their incompetence.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2024 12:22 PM (YGze5)

28 I'm trying to remember the context, maybe it was an American Legion meeting, but within the last few months Pooky ran into someone who used to be a fuel crew chief at the last base Pooky was stationed. Their times didn't overlap, but the guy had to pull Pooky aside and asked, "Okay, what the hell did your plane DO? Cuz you guys had weird fuel requirements!" So Pooky had some fun explaining the plane's mission to someone who actually understood the mechanical side of things.

Posted by: pookysgirl misses the smell of jet fuel at July 21, 2024 12:24 PM (dtlDP)

29 I don’t remember much other than my instructor was a P-3 guy,

I knew a guy who flew P-3s, active and reserve. I asked why he didn't fly privately. He replied that "My idea of flying is to look to my left and see nothing but engines and look to my right and see nothing but co-pilots."

Posted by: Oddbob at July 21, 2024 12:25 PM (/y8xj)

30 The Grumman C-1 Trader was adapted from the S2F anti-submarine warfare aircraft.
_______

It looks at lot like an A20.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at July 21, 2024 12:25 PM (Dm8we)

31 that camera feed is fascinating

Posted by: Zeera , becoming ungovernable by choice at July 21, 2024 12:26 PM (6hhmx)

32
One should never redact the obscenity when referring to the goat fucking lunatics of Islam.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at July 21, 2024 12:22 PM

I try to be a little less profane on Sunday. It doesn't always 'take' though.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at July 21, 2024 12:26 PM (RKVpM)

33 I don't recall the airline, but a number of its employees took to social media (X) to bitch about the "American flag pin" rule for them. Seems a bunch of them are terrorist loving commies and were sporting the "Palestinian flag" on their uniforms. Some flyers bitched. The airline made a change... so good for them.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 21, 2024 12:29 PM (Q4IgG)

34 In fact, on February 15, 1977, I flew my very first Navy flight from NAS Whiting North in this airplane

In Webelos, we got to go on a visit to NAS Whiting around that time in 1977 and even got to go up in the control tower. A T-34 declared an emergency while we were up there -- they had strong gas fumes in the cockpit and had a leak somewhere. That wasn't you, was it?

Posted by: Larry at July 21, 2024 12:29 PM (5jrpm)

35 Often said I have never had a bad flight but doubt I will ever get to ride in a airplane ever again

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2024 12:29 PM (fwDg9)

36 Thanks for the thread RB.

The BIL, a retired airline pilot, keeps building STOL aircraft and selling them. I believe he just likes building them, flying them a couple of times and then starting anew.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 21, 2024 12:29 PM (+SDDs)

37 >>> I don't intend to ever get on an airplane again in this lifetime. I may have to at some point, but it won't be by choice.

Nothing worse than being herded like cattle by nazis who may end up killing you by their incompetence.

Posted by: BurtTC

>The aviation industry has become a clownshow fuckfest of brutality and death.

No thanks, I drive a petroleum-fueled planet-killer to my destination, because, fuck you!

Posted by: Rupert Pupkin at July 21, 2024 12:29 PM (2UBPP)

38 Hopefully there were no exciting mishaps like the A-26 Invader landing gear collapse or the F7F Tigercat having a catastrophic tire rim failure.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2024 12:30 PM (06nk1)

39 OT , Xander Schauffle is leading the Open by two with four holes left. Would be his second major win of year (PGA)

Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 21, 2024 12:31 PM (qejsy)

40 Usta live about a nine iron from Langley AFB. Pairs of fighter jets are in the air practicing routinely. Inevitably when you're at a kid's soccer game or some other outdoor event, a pair would fly by and suddenly the sound of afterburners would smother the sound of every conversation, referee whistle or concert musician.
Then inevitably when it stopped, some yenta would complain about it.
Then, inevitably and without fail, a veteran would proudly proclaim:

"That's the sound of freedom!"

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at July 21, 2024 12:32 PM (dg+HA)

41 4 "All I get to see here is the same F-16s, day after day after day after day..."

You say that as if it's a bad thing.

Posted by: SPinRH_F-16 at July 21, 2024 12:33 PM (5CEo8)

42 I went to EAA every year for a number of years. I would get to the field as soon as the gates opened every morning for photography purposes before the crowds arrived. Haven't been for a while.

Posted by: Aviator at July 21, 2024 12:34 PM (HQ9Sl)

43 2023 was the last year for the Reno Air Races though they are trying to revive the event elsewhere.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2024 12:35 PM (06nk1)

44 If the Lord had meant us to fly, he'd have given us feathers and a cloaca.

Posted by: Grounded 4 Life at July 21, 2024 12:35 PM (V5BDR)

45 "That's the sound of freedom!"

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at July 21, 2024 12:32 PM (dg+HA)

DAMN STRAIGHT!

Posted by: pookysgirl misses the smell of jet fuel at July 21, 2024 12:36 PM (dtlDP)

46 Thx for the thread RB. Know a lot about the military history of air power, but not on the specifics of the planes. Always informative.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 21, 2024 12:37 PM (qejsy)

47 >>2023 was the last year for the Reno Air Races though they are trying to revive the event elsewhere.
Posted by: Anna Puma

Going to be in Roswell NM now.

Posted by: Aviator at July 21, 2024 12:39 PM (HQ9Sl)

48
I remember the first time I flew in my late teens. I worried about how I would dress for the plane ride. I decided on upscale. It was a good choice because everyone on the plane looked suitably attired.

Last time I flew it looked like the cast of 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest' was onboard and Nurse Ratched and the late Richard Simmons were our 'flight attendants'. Never again. Pennsylvania is a beautiful state, all up and down the eastern seaboard are fascinating locations within a reasonable driving distance.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at July 21, 2024 12:39 PM (RKVpM)

49 44-30606 Tootsie – privately owned in Carson City, Nevada.

This B-25J lives at the airport that I live in the landing pattern of.
I've had the opportunity to do an impromptu tour of it about 15 years ago as a buddy worked at the factory it's hangar is attached to.
I spent the next 2 weeks in awe. Literally stunned by being inside and able to go into and strap into the tail gunners ball turret seat.
I spent about 2 hours with the owner (now deceased) listening to his stories. Cool guy in his own right. Invented something that allowed Natural Gas to the masses.
His son owns it now I think. There is an Airport festival thing going on there soon I hope they roll it out for it this year. I'd love to take my Grands to see it.

That thing is beyond fucking awesome.

Posted by: Reforger at July 21, 2024 12:39 PM (xcIvR)

50 Posted by: pookysgirl misses the smell of jet fuel

And that's the truth!

That and a harbor with the rigging whistling in the breeze.

(CVA 43 and CVA 61)

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 21, 2024 12:39 PM (+SDDs)

51 A 747 is capable of carrying a Space Shuttle. But just you try showing up with a 51 pound suitcase.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at July 21, 2024 12:40 PM (dg+HA)

52 For the model builder there are two 1/48 model kits of the T-28 Trojan.

Monogram and Rodan.

Both have issues. But nothing patience and a little skill won't fix.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2024 12:41 PM (06nk1)

53 Bout time...Aviation Thread!!! Daughter #1 Commercial Instrument rated heading to Farnborough24 today while building time she sells training programs and SIM time for a Co. in Orlando...also does plane deliveries last one was a Kodiak from Chicago-Bangkok what an adventure flying a single turbine across the pond to Thailand...she's been to Kosh several times at the booth...My Dad flew that T-28 at Pcola 1951 warming up for Korea but didn't happen...I did my 25yrs all over...Old AirWisconsin in the 80's ....United to finish

Posted by: qmark at July 21, 2024 12:41 PM (+t9Oi)

54 Hmm. 5 hour flight from Charlotte to San Diego versus a 3-4 day drive.

Hmmm. Hard choice.

Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 21, 2024 12:41 PM (+H2BX)

55 I'm not far from Ft. Knox. We see a lot of Blackhawks. Occasionally, during training events we'll get to see Apache AH-64 attack helicopters, C-130's and A-10's.

A couple times a year the 160th SOAR (Nightstalkers) do practice "raids" into Knox during the middle of the night. You can barely make out the helos as they come barreling in at about 1000' lights out. The whole house rattles with that shit.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 21, 2024 12:42 PM (Q4IgG)

56 Don't know if I've mentioned Dad was one of the Flying Tech Sergeants before they figured out pilots should all be officers.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 21, 2024 12:43 PM (+SDDs)

57 My dad trained in the T-28 and flew the P-2Vand S-2F back in the day!

Posted by: Weasel at July 21, 2024 12:43 PM (OQSTL)

58 >The aviation industry has become a clownshow fuckfest of brutality and death.

No thanks, I drive a petroleum-fueled planet-killer to my destination, because, fuck you!
Posted by: Rupert Pupkin at July 21, 2024 12:29 PM (2UBPP)

It can be a metaphor of freedom. I have to share a road with others, I depend on the hard work and dedication of those who built the roads, who pull the fuel out of the ground, make manufacture the machine's parts, and I am grateful for them all, but I drive the thing. Not some idiotic organization that believes in hiring midget green omnisexual paraplegics to keep the machine moving. With nazi rules about when I can stand up and sit down and look at my phone.

Long live the Japanese auto industry! And God bless fracking!

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2024 12:43 PM (nwOXH)

59 43 2023 was the last year for the Reno Air Races though they are trying to revive the event elsewhere.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2024 12:35 PM (06nk1)

Lost 2 P51's that last race.
That airport, Stead Army Airfield, in it's day, is a pretty awesome place.
Harry Reid has a Ntl. Guard base named after him north of it.
Lot's of privately owned fighter jets there.

Posted by: Reforger at July 21, 2024 12:44 PM (xcIvR)

60 I've ridden in a Bell-47 or something similar. Thought the damn thing was going to vibrate apart. Every joint, every pane, everything that wasn't welded into one piece was jiggling and rattling.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 21, 2024 12:44 PM (lCWOD)

61 This is about us, isn't it?

Posted by: midget green omnisexual paraplegics at July 21, 2024 12:45 PM (dg+HA)

62 Another model blurb.

Kinetic makes a 1/48 S-2E/G kit. So far no one has come out with a C-1 COD plane or the WF-1.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2024 12:46 PM (06nk1)

63 5 hour flight from Charlotte to San Diego versus a 3-4 day drive.

Hmmm. Hard choice.
Posted by: No one of any consequence

Not really, 2 hours before the flight at the airport then fight your way to the rental car after waiting for your baggage at the carousel.
I'll drive (and feel that you're a slow driver!).

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 21, 2024 12:46 PM (+SDDs)

64 My oldest daughter did a COD flight way back when. From what I understand, it's a rather unnerving experience...except for my daughter, who thinks going nearly vertical in a roller coaster is fun.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 21, 2024 12:47 PM (tT6L1)

65 Thanks Roger.
Tried to backup that livecam to see the B-25, but not working.

Been doing lots of reading on Pappy Gunn's work.
A-20 & B-25 strafers in the pacific.
Never thought of the S-2 looking like an A20, but there is a similarity.

Posted by: InspiredHistoryMike at July 21, 2024 12:47 PM (L1omb)

66 27
'Nothing worse than being herded like cattle by nazis who may end up killing you by their incompetence.'

I used to be a little afraid of flying but the hated TSA experience dwarfs by far any other negative feelings I have about flying.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 21, 2024 12:48 PM (3wi/L)

67 Anna, For those of us still in the one true scale there's Heller for the T-28

Posted by: InspiredHistoryMike at July 21, 2024 12:49 PM (L1omb)

68 Modern air travel is one the most amazing accomplishments of mankind.
And yet we've managed to turn it into a miserable experience.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at July 21, 2024 12:50 PM (dg+HA)

69 I live in a rural area about 35 miles from Oceana Air station, so seeing Navy jets flying to/from Dare County Bombing range, or just practice flying is normal. There is also aerial spraying of corn/soybean fields as a normal sight/sound. I was riding my bike one day about 3 years ago, and heard the sound that kinda sounded like a crop duster, but it didn't sound like a 300 HP single engine. Kept hearing it, but couldn't see anything through the trees. Got to an open area and saw what it was. Navy E-2 Hawkeye diving down, flying 60-80 feet off the ground for about a mile, then hitting the gas and climbing, going around and doing it again. I suppose they were practicing a carrier wave-off.

About a month later, an E-2 crashed into a cornfield on the Eastern Shore, crew ejected safely, aircraft complete loss. It was mentioned once on the news and never again. I assume they were doing a similar stunt like I witnessed.

Posted by: Sweet Terra Firma at July 21, 2024 12:50 PM (V5BDR)

70 >>>Last time I flew it looked like the cast of 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest' was onboard and Nurse Ratched and the late Richard Simmons were our 'flight attendants'. Never again.

>I flew from LA to Vegas not too long ago and was seated next to an 80+ year old corpse who smelled like shit was coughing out her death. I hate the airline industry.

Posted by: Rupert Pupkin at July 21, 2024 12:50 PM (2UBPP)

71 Modern air travel is one the most amazing accomplishments of mankind.
And yet we've managed to turn it into a miserable experience.

TSA has never stopped a terror plot so...let's expand their budget so they can find some other way to annoy people...

Posted by: 18-1 at July 21, 2024 12:50 PM (oZhjI)

72 I flew to Reno (a brother lives in Truckee) from San Diego once. The next time I drove up 395. Just a beautiful day.

Posted by: No one of any consequence at July 21, 2024 12:51 PM (+H2BX)

73 This is about us, isn't it?
Posted by: midget green omnisexual paraplegics at July 21, 2024 12:45 PM (dg+HA)

Not really. If you're the best person for the job, have at it, but these industries, that can literally control whether we live or die, if they're hiring you for your intersectionality, then it's about them.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2024 12:53 PM (XYrDz)

74 Glaciers have retreated numerous times in the distant past. Damn cavemen and their high output diesels and natural gas stoves. Damn them.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 21, 2024 12:53 PM (/U5Yz)

75 OT Schaufflie up three with two holes left

Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 21, 2024 12:54 PM (qejsy)

76 It is interesting to watch the Stop Oil people at work - have we found out yet if they are flying or driving the terrorists to their targets?

Posted by: 18-1 at July 21, 2024 12:55 PM (oZhjI)

77 Stay in your lane, pal.

Posted by: Brotherhood of Midget Green Omnisexual Paraplegics local #806 at July 21, 2024 12:55 PM (dg+HA)

78 I used to be a little afraid of flying but the hated TSA experience dwarfs by far any other negative feelings I have about flying.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 21, 2024 12:48 PM (3wi/L)

Think about that, if every time you got into a car, you had to show your ID, take your shoes off, have some strangers scanning your naked body, taking your aftershave bottle from you because it's too big... only to have you sit and wait for some other strangers to arrive from Akron, so they can take you where you go... 4 hours after you needed to get there...

Well, we'd all be living in our 15 minute cities, wouldn't we.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 21, 2024 12:56 PM (wjmSl)

79 I always liked the WWII pinup girls painted on the sides of military aircraft.

https://tinyurl.com/2e2bpnp4

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 21, 2024 12:56 PM (/U5Yz)

80 OT Schaufflie up three with two holes left
Posted by: Smell the Glove

Weather sure is better today!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 21, 2024 12:56 PM (+SDDs)

81 It is interesting to watch the Stop Oil people at work - have we found out yet if they are flying or driving the terrorists to their targets?
Posted by: 18-1

They all wear the best poly-beast clothing and their cars are all plastic.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 21, 2024 12:57 PM (+SDDs)

82 The Grumman S2F Tracker was built to replace the Grumman AF-1 Guardian which operated off the carriers as hunter/killer pairs. The Tracker combined both functions into one plane. The bomb bay would carry torpedoes or depth charges.

One of the unique features of the S-2 is the rudder which is actually in two parts. First part is the normal rudder but if the pilots needed more authority the second part could be engaged thus increasing rudder size.

One S-2 Tracker was lost off the coast of Vietnam.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2024 12:58 PM (06nk1)

83 Posted by: Quarter Twenty at July 21, 2024 12:50 PM

Hear Hear!

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2024 12:59 PM (fwDg9)

84 Out: pinup girls

In: Making men wear high heels

Posted by: Soviet America's armed forces at July 21, 2024 01:00 PM (oZhjI)

85 I might respect a No Oil person who traveled around like the dozens of Amish I passed on the roads last evening

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2024 01:00 PM (fwDg9)

86 One true scale? 1/32???

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2024 01:01 PM (06nk1)

87 Seen in a debate with a leftist:

Non-leftist: How do you justify burning fossil fuels so you can argue with people about politics on the internet?!?

Leftist: I don't need fossil fuels my electricity comes out of my wall outlet!

Posted by: 18-1 at July 21, 2024 01:01 PM (oZhjI)

88 The last flight I was on was back in 2019 for our daughter's wedding in Vegas. I think we were on Frontier. Lousy flight out but the flight back was worse. Bitterly cold, seats were hard as rocks and we had forgotten to get water and snacks before boarding.

Plus we picked up some sort of bug at one point and ended up being sick for a week after returning home.

Not sure I'd fly again unless I was going to get the star treatment and be chauffeured everywhere, first class, all the way.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 21, 2024 01:01 PM (Q4IgG)

89 80 OT Schaufflie up three with two holes left
Posted by: Smell the Glove

Weather sure is better today!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron

No one died of heat stroke, nor got sunburned. Windburn, maybe.

Posted by: On The Bright Side at July 21, 2024 01:03 PM (V5BDR)

90 He's got a disease, and the only cure is: MORE MISS BELL!

Posted by: haffhowershower at July 21, 2024 01:04 PM (NMT5x)

91 Oshkosh by gosh!

Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI Expert at July 21, 2024 01:06 PM (2xB3Z)

92 Quarter Twenty & Wolfus Aurelius: If you're in this thread, check out my willowed reply to you (#43

in the Sunday Morning Book Thread regarding why it's also known as "Or All Will Burn" (and not just "All Will Burn") on that book series.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at July 21, 2024 01:07 PM (O7YUW)

93 Let's try that again without the brackets turning things into icons: It's comment # 438.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at July 21, 2024 01:08 PM (O7YUW)

94 Pappy Gunn's home brew strafers lead to the D-1 and D-2 mods for the B-25.

D-1 means the Mitchell is fitted as a strafer: 4 .50s in the bombardier nose with 4 more as package guns on sides.

D-2 refers to defensive firepower modifications. A single gun was fitted under a canopy similar to the H/J tail guns. And two waist windows with guns were fitted between wing trailing edge and top turret.

These were Pacific only mods. MTO B-25C/Ds had different mods to increase defensive firepower.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 21, 2024 01:08 PM (06nk1)

95 I'm from Pensacola and seeing red tail trainers was a common sight back then, now the Blue Angels hold practice sessions that can be watched from across Bayou Chico in Navy Point.

Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at July 21, 2024 01:09 PM (qZdIZ)

96 That reminds me. I need to get another Class C medical, find an instructor, and get current again.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at July 21, 2024 01:12 PM (iZEhM)

97
I do have some nice recollections of flying, but it was decades ago. Boarding an L-1011 (pretty sure) in Honolulu for flight to Chicago and connection back to Philly. Plane virtually empty, we're early. Pilot walking toward us. I laughed to myself because I knew damn well what was coming. My wife is dressed nicely, sun kissed face, wearing a hat, looking like she just walked off a Playboy photoshoot. He stops, says hello, how was your vacation, blah, blah, blah. He's obviously 50's, signs of grey, distinguished looking, probably ex-military flyer. The kinda guy that nailed a stew every night the past decade with his looks. He couldn't help but hit on the pretty girl. I just smiled 'cause she's mine but enjoy that look in her eyes.

A couple minutes later a stewardess arrives with a bottle of champagne for us, courtesy of the Pilot.

Geez, maybe I should add more details about later that night and submit this to Penthouse Letters.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at July 21, 2024 01:14 PM (RKVpM)

98 I don't know squat about airplanes. I could name some WW2 planes, that's about it.

Posted by: Don Black at July 21, 2024 01:14 PM (/7KEl)

99 Man, it's been 42 years since I piloted an aircraft. I'm probably a little rusty.

Plus, my medical certificate has expired.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 21, 2024 01:17 PM (15aOX)

100 Here's a link to collections of US WW2 aircraft by type.

https://tinyurl.com/4vpp9chw

Look around the site. It has photos of aircraft, ships, and ground combat weapons for all the major WW2 combatants.

Posted by: Gref at July 21, 2024 01:18 PM (5fDan)

101 One true scale being 1/72.
Avonmore books just published a book on B25s in the pacific.
From the pics it's pretty clear was lots of improv.

Posted by: InspiredHistoryMike at July 21, 2024 01:18 PM (L1omb)

102 Thanks G&R! That helps a lot.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at July 21, 2024 01:20 PM (dg+HA)

103 One should never redact the obscenity when referring to the goat fucking lunatics of Islam.
Posted by: Madamemayhem (uppity wench) at July 21, 2024 12:22 PM

What am I, chopped syphilitic liver?

Posted by: Moroccan Donkey at July 21, 2024 01:20 PM (sKZCy)

104 My little bit of aviation for the day - A Huey and a Cobra buzzed the beach goers this morning at Kill Devil Hills. They were so low it seemed you were looking level out to sea when viewing the pilots.

The little kids lost their minds. (Big kids too!)

Posted by: Tonypete at July 21, 2024 01:22 PM (5Seyi)

105 Here's a link to PHOTO collections of US WW2 aircraft by type.

https://tinyurl.com/4vpp9chw

Posted by: Gref at July 21, 2024 01:22 PM (5fDan)

106 71 Modern air travel is one the most amazing accomplishments of mankind.
And yet we've managed to turn it into a miserable experience.

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California was blessed with unique beauty and climate and they turned it into a shithole.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 21, 2024 01:22 PM (15aOX)

107 Schaufele (finally spelled it right) finished a -9 . It would take a miracle to catch him. Two majors in one year after never winning one previously. Not bad

Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 21, 2024 01:22 PM (qejsy)

108 4 "All I get to see here is the same F-16s, day after day after day after day..."

You say that as if it's a bad thing.
Posted by: SPinRH_F-16 at July 21, 2024 12:33 PM (5CEo

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I was about to write that we're enjoying the last hour of peace and tranquility. As I was preparing to type this, there's that sound in the air again.

What was it Groucho [never] said? ‘I smoke a cigar, but I take it out every once in a while.’

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at July 21, 2024 01:25 PM (2lzfn)

109 First part is the normal rudder but if the pilots needed more authority the second part could be engaged thus increasing rudder size.

The Paolo does, how you say, something similar.

Posted by: Paolo at July 21, 2024 01:25 PM (sKZCy)

110 Bicentennial year 1976 has a special place in my heart as I was about the age where I made and kept memories. A traveling Liberty Bell replica visited my school, I dressed as a Minuteman for our little town parade, and my older brother built a red, white and blue F-16.

Posted by: haffhowershower at July 21, 2024 01:25 PM (NMT5x)

111 FWIW, my father was a flight instructor during WWII. I have some great photographs. The capper is that he instructed Free French.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 21, 2024 01:27 PM (XeU6L)

112 Oh, speaking of airplanes. I saw a NASA T-38 on approach to Ellington field the other day.

Posted by: Cybersmythe at July 21, 2024 01:28 PM (iZEhM)

113 We won't have Olbermann to kick around anymore!

Keith Olbermann, who got fired from MSNBC over a decade ago, claimed he was in talks with NBCUniversal CEO Jeff Shell and news boss Cesar Conde to return to MSNBC and take over Rachel Maddow’s 9 p.m. time slot, according to a report.
Maddow told her viewers on Jan. 31 that she would be taking a hiatus to work on a series of projects, including films, and would be temporarily stepping away from her primetime gig.
But any fleeting dream of former “Countdown” host Olbermann returning to MSNBC was squashed when Maddow stepped in personally to veto him as her successor, according to a report from the Daily Beast.

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Too crazy for Madcow? Well . . .

Keith Olbermann
@KeithOlbermann
In brief: Ronny Jackson isn't a doctor. Which is perfect, because Trump wasn't hit by a bullet.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at July 21, 2024 01:30 PM (L/fGl)

114 I had, and recently sold, a copy of Jane's Fighting Aircraft of WWII. It was staggering.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 21, 2024 01:31 PM (XeU6L)

115 *A Huey and a Cobra buzzed the beach goers this morning at Kill Devil Hills.*

We were there first.

Posted by: Orville and Wilbur at July 21, 2024 01:33 PM (dg+HA)

116 @KeithOlbermann
In brief: Ronny Jackson isn't a doctor. Which is perfect, because Trump wasn't hit by a bullet.
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Olbermann has finally fallen over the edge. They might as well send the cookie truck and nice men in white suits for him now.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 21, 2024 01:33 PM (XeU6L)

117 Schaufele with the win

Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 21, 2024 01:34 PM (qejsy)

118
I might respect a No Oil person who traveled around like the dozens of Amish I passed on the roads last evening
Posted by: Skip

The Amish don't try to force their lifestyle on others.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 21, 2024 01:35 PM (63Dwl)

119 Anesthesiologist at Boston Children’s Hospital arrested for possession of child pornography, including pictures of infants

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Well, anesthesia and pedophilia are like peanut butter and chocolate, they go together well.

P.S. He lists his pronouns.

https://is.gd/GVpmrz

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at July 21, 2024 01:37 PM (L/fGl)

120 I can also endorse Oshkosh as an aviation experience. Oddly enough, another big airshow is going on at Willow Run Michigan right now. After going to Oshkosh, I had been tempted to get into sport flying, but it just seemed like a lot of work even for the dumbed down license. So I'm getting into RC airplanes. Sort of like Michael Palin getting into lion taming through banking.

Posted by: MichiCanuck at July 21, 2024 01:37 PM (0XyCC)

121 116 @KeithOlbermann
In brief: Ronny Jackson isn't a doctor. Which is perfect, because Trump wasn't hit by a bullet.
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Olbermann has finally fallen over the edge. They might as well send the cookie truck and nice men in white suits for him now.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 21, 2024 01:33 PM (XeU6L)

Almost sad in a way. The only way that @sswipe can get any attention/clicks nowadays is by posting Looney Tunes crap that's beyond insane. Same with Joyless Reid and dozens and dozens of "famous journalists."

Posted by: Gref at July 21, 2024 01:39 PM (5fDan)

122 I always liked the WWII pinup girls painted on the sides of military aircraft.

https://tinyurl.com/2e2bpnp4

Posted by: Maj. Healey
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What!! They left out 'Memphis Belle'?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 21, 2024 01:40 PM (XeU6L)

123 Gaza or Oakland?

https://is.gd/08SWcp

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at July 21, 2024 01:40 PM (L/fGl)

124 Olbermann knows his sports but politically he is a standard leftist loon. From everything I've read about him he's also a complete a-hole in person

Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 21, 2024 01:40 PM (qejsy)

125 The Amish don't block roads but probably would appreciate stopping and buying stuff at their road stands

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2024 01:42 PM (fwDg9)

126 I flew a bit for work. Never had a bad experience then. Wouldn't do it now as I don't think my lungs could take it.

And Evergreen is a nice museum.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at July 21, 2024 01:44 PM (xjTDL)

127 117 Schaufele with the win

Was it sponsered by our current government? The tournament was called the Troon?

I think Schaufele tied Bribems score.

Posted by: haffhowershower at July 21, 2024 01:45 PM (NMT5x)

128 I can also endorse Oshkosh as an aviation experience.
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Amusing story. One evening after being at the show, we went out to a local restaurant. This Wisconsin, we thought we might sample some beers not available elsewhere. We expected, at least Leinenkugel's, maybe Point.

When we asked the waitress, she looked at us and said, 'Well, we have Old Milwaukee'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 21, 2024 01:45 PM (XeU6L)

129 I flew for work during the Plandemic. Beyond fucking awful.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, deplorable clown at July 21, 2024 01:45 PM (qZEuM)

130 Mom and Dad live just south of Whiting’s main gate off 89, there’s a static mount of a t-28 just down the road at Milton High School and I flew out of Peter Prince in Piiper pa 28 just yesterday. Roger’s posting from my neighborhood!

Posted by: Farmer Bob at July 21, 2024 01:47 PM (fiUiH)

131 I lived about 1/2 mile off the end of the runway of Dobbins afb/Lockheed. For 20 years. I saw *lots* of interesting stuff pass over.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 21, 2024 01:48 PM (XeU6L)

132
The Amish don't block roads but probably would appreciate stopping and buying stuff at their road stands

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2024 01:42 PM

My wife has the keener eye for detail and recently we were at Marsh Creek State Park when a large contingent of what I thought were Amish but she said were Mennonites were departing. It was like being transported back in time... to a much better time. It's hard to describe.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at July 21, 2024 01:49 PM (RKVpM)

133 Flew in 2020 from MT to OH after mom had a stroke. Surreal in Mpls, only 2 restaurants open and everyone masked up. Had to find a quiet space to remove my mask to talk to the doc treating mom in the hospital and hope no one noticed my transgression.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at July 21, 2024 01:49 PM (2NHgQ)

134 I always liked the WWII pinup girls painted on the sides of military aircraft.

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If they did that today the pinup would be Admiral Levine. Of course, it'd have to be a C-5.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Covfefe Today, Covfefe Tomorrow, Covfefe Forever! at July 21, 2024 01:49 PM (L/fGl)

135 Love this pinup on the Victory Girls website. Maureen O'Hara?
https://victorygirlsblog.com/

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at July 21, 2024 01:51 PM (2NHgQ)

136 It's interesting that the Air Corps brass let them do pinup art. Not what one expects under regimentation.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 21, 2024 01:51 PM (XeU6L)

137 Biden is officially out.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at July 21, 2024 01:53 PM (xn33A)

138 Biden is out.

Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at July 21, 2024 01:54 PM (WsTZq)

139 Hope y’all had a chance to see Mildenhall Air Fete. To be honest, the Moroccan Air Force team impressed me the most because I was pretty certain they were going to die.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at July 21, 2024 01:55 PM (xn33A)

140 Biden is officially out.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie
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Resigning immediately?
Not gonna run?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 21, 2024 01:55 PM (XeU6L)

141 137 Biden is officially out.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie

Is there a link to a credible source?

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at July 21, 2024 01:55 PM (dg+HA)

142 If Biden cant run for re-election because he's as demented as a box of used Kleenex, why is he still President?

Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - Esteemed Trump-Ho and Searcher of Wagshambas at July 21, 2024 01:56 PM (DBZuM)

143 Unfit to run, yet fit to remain in the White House.

LMFAO

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 21, 2024 01:56 PM (Q4IgG)

144 And like that, Joe Biden drops out of the race.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 21, 2024 01:57 PM (Ud7de)

145 It's on daily mail.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 21, 2024 01:57 PM (Ud7de)

146 Is there a link to a credible source?
Posted by: Quarter Twenty

His official account
@JoeBiden

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 21, 2024 01:57 PM (IG4Id)

147
Say it ain't so Joe!

Posted by: Millions of dellusional Dems at July 21, 2024 01:57 PM (XeU6L)

148 Biden's handlers end campaign

https://tinyurl.com/4j4jrp68

Posted by: Methos at July 21, 2024 01:58 PM (Dnobf)

149 I wonder what the price was.

Posted by: Mark1971 at July 21, 2024 01:58 PM (xPl2J)

150 Well I will be, almost gave up that he would get toss in the towel, make it through the weekend and live until the convention.

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2024 01:58 PM (fwDg9)

151 At least he waited for the Open to conclude.

Posted by: Frasier Crane at July 21, 2024 01:59 PM (P32zX)

152 What about Doctor Jill? Is she still in it?

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at July 21, 2024 01:59 PM (dg+HA)

153 Posted on X. I wonder who has the keys to his account.

Posted by: Aviator at July 21, 2024 01:59 PM (HQ9Sl)

154 Just announced. Biden is out.

Posted by: Ripley at July 21, 2024 01:59 PM (GUOwU)

155 Biden Quits!

Anyway...back to the pinups.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 21, 2024 02:00 PM (XeU6L)

156 If Biden cant run for re-election because he's as demented as a box of used Kleenex, why is he still President?
Posted by: The Unvaxed and Unmasked Ranger - Esteemed Trump-Ho and Searcher of Wagshambas at July 21, 2024 01:56

Because a box of used kleenex is preferable to Kamala?

Posted by: Farmer, with my own historical take at July 21, 2024 02:00 PM (55Qr6)

157 NY Post reports Biden out of race.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 21, 2024 02:00 PM (qejsy)

158 I want to see him resigned as well

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2024 02:00 PM (fwDg9)

159 So is Kamalalaladingdong gonna be President?

Posted by: Czech Chick at July 21, 2024 02:00 PM (fpVC1)

160
Uh, Dad...my Pardon?

Posted by: Hunter at July 21, 2024 02:00 PM (XeU6L)

161 Ridin' with Biden? Where?

Posted by: Frasier Crane at July 21, 2024 02:01 PM (P32zX)

162 >>I wonder what the price was.
Posted by: Mark1971

Not being given a free bullet.

Posted by: Aviator at July 21, 2024 02:01 PM (HQ9Sl)

163 Wow. The DNC convention is going to be LIT!

Posted by: bluebell at July 21, 2024 02:01 PM (bS+DD)

164 At least he waited for the Open to conclude.
Posted by: Frasier Crane at July 21, 2024 01:59 PM (P32zX)

=====

LOL. Just barely.

Posted by: Jordan61 at July 21, 2024 02:01 PM (16NmB)

165 149 I wonder what the price was.
Posted by: Mark1971 at July 21, 2024 01:58 PM (xPl2J)

He gets all the ice cream he wants for the rest of his miserable life.

Posted by: ALH at July 21, 2024 02:01 PM (xJEPL)

166 159 So is Kamalalaladingdong gonna be President?
Posted by: Czech Chick at July 21, 2024 02:00 PM (fpVC1)

No, he's still President. He's just not running for reelection.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 21, 2024 02:01 PM (Ud7de)

167 We have to save our democracy by disenfranchising lots of Dem voters for a pick by the Elites.

Posted by: Czech Chick at July 21, 2024 02:02 PM (fpVC1)

168 Whoops, there it is.

I first saw it at Times of Israel (ToI), of course. The foreign media ALWAYS beat the pants off their U.S. counterparts when it comes to fast breaking news. Always.

Posted by: mnw at July 21, 2024 02:02 PM (NLIak)

169 We need a skull and a new post.

Trump won the debate ao badly he made the other guy quit the race.

Posted by: Shenanigans at July 21, 2024 02:02 PM (roZDq)

170 I'm guessing his successor has already been chosen.

The convention BS is Kabuki.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 21, 2024 02:02 PM (Ud7de)

171 Can't wait to se how the MSM cleans up Kamala.This could be new height of MSM lies and deception.

Posted by: Ripley at July 21, 2024 02:02 PM (GUOwU)

172 169 We need a skull and a new post.

Trump won the debate ao badly he made the other guy quit the race.
Posted by: Shenanigans at July 21, 2024 02:02 PM (roZDq)

Put an ear patch on the skull

Posted by: ALH at July 21, 2024 02:03 PM (xJEPL)

173 He's staying as President. If so the next six months , especially internationally is going to be lit , literally. Also the DNC in Chicago should be insane.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 21, 2024 02:03 PM (qejsy)

174 And I am out of scotch too

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2024 02:03 PM (fwDg9)

175 *snickers*

Posted by: Netanyahu at July 21, 2024 02:03 PM (HQ9Sl)

176 No, he's still President. He's just not running for reelection.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 21, 2024 02:01 PM (Ud7de)
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I'm looking forward to seeing how they will spin this - he's too decrepit to run for office again in 4 months, but is perfectly competent to run the country now.

Popcorn futures, everybody!

Posted by: bluebell at July 21, 2024 02:03 PM (bS+DD)

177
[roots around in the closet for a flaming skull]

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 21, 2024 02:03 PM (XeU6L)

178 Skull thread is required

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2024 02:03 PM (fwDg9)

179 Notice that Biden didn't say anything about Kamala in his announcement.

Posted by: Mark1971 at July 21, 2024 02:03 PM (xPl2J)

180 JUST WAIT UNTIL I GET MY HANDS ON THAT BASTARD!

Posted by: DOCTOR Jill Biden! at July 21, 2024 02:04 PM (uxCna)

181 I knew Biden dropping out would happen today.

Posted by: JROD at July 21, 2024 02:04 PM (IlL6s)

182 Now I can get back to focusing on all the pardons I need to grant...

Posted by: Presidentish at July 21, 2024 02:04 PM (dg+HA)

183 >>> 149 I wonder what the price was.
Posted by: Mark1971 at July 21, 2024 01:58 PM (xPl2J)

*cackles*

Posted by: Hillary! at July 21, 2024 02:05 PM (VavZF)

184 Many miles away
Something crawls from the slime
At the bottom of a dark
New York lake

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at July 21, 2024 02:05 PM (Dm8we)

185 I knew Biden dropping out would happen today.
Posted by: JROD
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Announced too late for the Sunday headlines.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 21, 2024 02:05 PM (XeU6L)

186 Let the Games begin LITERALLY~!!!!!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 21, 2024 02:05 PM (IG4Id)

187 Newsmax has some Priest on wailing about Sundowner's lost soul or something
He can go to the Devil as far as I am concerned, he has destroyed the country

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2024 02:05 PM (fwDg9)

188 Hillary can be heard cackling "my precious". Maddow will suddenly like LOTR

Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 21, 2024 02:05 PM (qejsy)

189 I'm guessing his successor has already been chosen.

The convention BS is Kabuki.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 21, 2024 02:02 PM (Ud7de)

Thank you. It's always kabuki.

I expect Harris in the end but I guess one never knows.

I have thought all along Buttigieg will be her VP but I'm wondering now if they will pivot straight to him.

Posted by: ... at July 21, 2024 02:05 PM (lX8VI)

190 Oddly, I feel no emotion at all.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 21, 2024 02:06 PM (XeU6L)

191 I dreamed of having a license to fly a plane. But I know that I would likely crash and burn... just like the Biden campaign.

Posted by: itzWicks at July 21, 2024 02:06 PM (dbmpc)

192 Which one of you asked to live in interesting times? Because this is insane.

Posted by: Piper at July 21, 2024 02:06 PM (p4NUW)

193 Put an ear patch on the skull
Posted by: ALH at July 21, 2024 02:03 PM (xJEPL)

=====

ELLIPSIS WHERE ARE YOU?!

Posted by: Jordan61 at July 21, 2024 02:06 PM (16NmB)

194 BBC America is at least questioning how the voters ate being tossed aside

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2024 02:06 PM (fwDg9)

195 >>> 179 Notice that Biden didn't say anything about Kamala in his announcement.
Posted by: Mark1971 at July 21, 2024 02:03 PM (xPl2J)

Oh no!

Some other Moron was hoping for the DNC to look like the commissary fight in Blazing Saddles. Looks like the odds just went up.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 21, 2024 02:06 PM (VavZF)

196 One thing we know - without Kamala on the ticket, Biden cannot transfer his campaign funds to anyone.

That's about the only card she can play.

But my guess is that it won't matter. Once they pick Newsom/Whitmer or some such horseshit, the billionaire Soros machine will fund them fully.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 21, 2024 02:06 PM (Ud7de)

197 I think this is now going to be a much harder fought, closer election.

Democrats must be ecstatic, they probably shored up Congress now.

Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2024 02:06 PM (wMRY8)

198 I was wrong… dead wrong. I’ve always felt that nothing short of death would get him out

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 21, 2024 02:06 PM (xT8gx)

199 Not only should *biden resign from office but every EO and piece of legislation he "signed" should be nullified.

Put Harris in the big chair for the remainder of the year with nothing to do. Nominate someone else next month.

What a fucking riot.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 21, 2024 02:06 PM (Q4IgG)

200 Everything these commies do is staged political theater.

It's all bullshit and lies.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, deplorable clown at July 21, 2024 02:07 PM (qZEuM)

201
Oh, no!
Anyway...

Posted by: Most people at July 21, 2024 02:07 PM (dg+HA)

202 I guess the libs in my neighborhood are feeling kind of embarrassed by their Biden-Harris signs next to the "We believe..." signs.

Just kidding. Dementia Joe is down the memory hole

Posted by: Ripley at July 21, 2024 02:07 PM (GUOwU)

203 Odd. DU always has planned maintenance when something goes wrong with the narrative….

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at July 21, 2024 02:07 PM (aVudl)

204 But my guess is that it won't matter. Once they pick Newsom/Whitmer or some such horseshit, the billionaire Soros machine will fund them fully.
Posted by: AlaBAMA

It wont matter, they'll play enough games that the money will makes its way into the election.

This was always something people put too much hope into. It would be worth a few hundred million to get Kamala out anyway.

Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2024 02:07 PM (wMRY8)

205 197 I think this is now going to be a much harder fought, closer election.

Democrats must be ecstatic, they probably shored up Congress now.
Posted by: Blago at July 21, 2024 02:06 PM (wMRY8

Same. The numbers will tighten up and the fraud option becomes viable again.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 21, 2024 02:07 PM (Ud7de)

206 Our Precious Democracy Wins Again!

Posted by: ... at July 21, 2024 02:07 PM (lX8VI)

207
Put me in boss, I did it before I'll do it again.

Posted by: The Bollard at July 21, 2024 02:08 PM (RKVpM)

208 Everything these commies do is staged political theater.

It's all bullshit and lies.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, deplorable clown at July 21, 2024 02:07 PM (qZEuM)

Yep.

Posted by: ... at July 21, 2024 02:08 PM (lX8VI)

209 >>> 192 Which one of you asked to live in interesting times? Because this is insane.
Posted by: Piper at July 21, 2024 02:06 PM (p4NUW)

Not it!!! I think we're still on the 'upslope' of interestingness (totes a word).

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 21, 2024 02:08 PM (VavZF)

210 I was wrong… dead wrong. I’ve always felt that nothing short of death would get him out
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 21, 2024 02:06 PM (xT8gx)
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I guess they finally came up with a big enough figure.

Posted by: bluebell at July 21, 2024 02:08 PM (bS+DD)

211 I expect Harris in the end but I guess one never knows.

Tee, hee, hee!

Posted by: Hillary the Inevitable! at July 21, 2024 02:08 PM (uxCna)

212 100 Hey my father's plane is on that site- second picture under PBY4
Gear Down and Locked

Posted by: MAxIE at July 21, 2024 02:09 PM (twxj3)

213 "Odd. DU always has planned maintenance when something goes wrong with the narrative…."

Busted water pipe.

Posted by: Ripley at July 21, 2024 02:09 PM (GUOwU)

214 Hillary would relish the chance to run against Russia again!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at July 21, 2024 02:09 PM (Ud7de)

215
Jill must have gotten the dollar amount she wanted.

Posted by: four seasons at July 21, 2024 02:09 PM (//riP)

216 I think Trump knew this and has a gameplan.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, deplorable clown at July 21, 2024 02:09 PM (qZEuM)

217 173 He's staying as President. If so the next six months , especially internationally is going to be lit , literally. Also the DNC in Chicago should be insane.
Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 21, 2024 02:03 PM (qejsy)

1968, here we come again.

Trump is in trouble for the election...but he always was with the Vance pick. Now, the SE corridor is definitely in play...

Posted by: Nova Local at July 21, 2024 02:10 PM (exHjb)

218 I was wrong… dead wrong. I’ve always felt that nothing short of death would get him out

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 21, 2024 02:06 PM (xT8gx)

It was a good assumption and closer to reality than the mainstream thought that he would be "out" in Spring of 2020 and then every week thereafter.

Trump drubbing him in the polls may have changed the calculus. Trump surviving their hit job, I mean the lone wolf! the lone wolf!, may have changed the calculus. You don't know. We'll never know. We just know he was in way way longer than he should have been.

Posted by: ... at July 21, 2024 02:10 PM (lX8VI)

219 My prediction was neither Sundowner nor The Ho would be the nominations

Posted by: Skip at July 21, 2024 02:10 PM (fwDg9)

220 One thing we know - without Kamala on the ticket, Biden cannot transfer his campaign funds to anyone.

I've never understood that.

After all, Kamala wasn't on any primary ballots - why can't Joe give the money to someone else?

Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 21, 2024 02:10 PM (uxCna)

221 I'm ready. Put me in, Coach!

Posted by: Tim Kaine at July 21, 2024 02:10 PM (dg+HA)

222 Hillary would relish the chance to run against Russia again!
Posted by: AlaBAMA

We're in a real pickle.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, deplorable clown at July 21, 2024 02:10 PM (qZEuM)

223 Can't agree that the convention stuff is Kabuki. The Jewish - Muslim split in the Dem party is too nasty and the hardcore left which was supporting Biden will insist on one of theirs. They don't like Kamala because of her Cali AG actions. Too many moving parts for it to go smoothly.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 21, 2024 02:10 PM (qejsy)

224 Unitedforharris.com online.

Posted by: Piper at July 21, 2024 02:10 PM (pZEOD)

225 Kamala is now burdened by what will be.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2024 02:11 PM (LkLld)

226 No Joe, don't stop your run!
Trump and Vance really don't want you to drop out!

Oh, this should be fun, the phone call for the Dems is this week, isn't it?
So they have to choose his week or not get on the ballot in... Ohio, isn't it?
More POPCORN!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 21, 2024 02:11 PM (qEBh8)

227 210 I was wrong… dead wrong. I’ve always felt that nothing short of death would get him out
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 21, 2024 02:06 PM (xT8gx)
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I guess they finally came up with a big enough figure.
Posted by: bluebell at July 21, 2024 02:08 PM (bS+DD)

Or Jill really did call the Code Red, and they have her dead to rights...

Posted by: Nova Local at July 21, 2024 02:11 PM (exHjb)

228 Son's girlfriend is a private pilot. She just bought a plane. I don't know what kind, though. She's also currently training to be a commercial pilot.

Posted by: Jordan61 at July 21, 2024 02:11 PM (74FUh)

229 Oh Nooooo!
Joe Biden won’t be there to protect democracy

Posted by: SMOD at July 21, 2024 02:11 PM (GITLP)

230 A sad day. Pedo Joe Biden has dropped out but will still keep assaulting and ruining our country for six more months.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at July 21, 2024 02:11 PM (17s+e)

231 ELLIPSIS WHERE ARE YOU?!

Posted by: Jordan61 at July 21, 2024 02:06 PM (16NmB)

I'm always here for you babe.

But I'm not in a skull mood. Maybe I'll think of something for tomorrow. I *was* avoiding idiot politics for the second weekend in a row.......

Posted by: ... at July 21, 2024 02:12 PM (lX8VI)

232 @198 Biden is still alive? Technically I suppose, but.. .

Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 21, 2024 02:12 PM (qejsy)

233 BBC America is at least questioning how the voters ate being tossed aside
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Pfft. What do voters have to do with "Our Precious Democracy (TM)"?

Posted by: Methos at July 21, 2024 02:12 PM (Dnobf)

234 >>I'm ready. Put me in, Coach!
Posted by: Tim Kaine

*shoves Kaine to the floor and stand on top of him*

Pick me! I'm sooo progressive I'm making CO more woke than CA!

Posted by: Jared Polis, CA slob pretending to be Coloradan at July 21, 2024 02:13 PM (Pijte)

235 How pathetic will his withdrawal letter to the DNC be? If he writes one.

Welp, buckle-up everyone. FJB's vengeance campaign begins now and will last for 6 months. Maybe for 6 months.

Posted by: Gref at July 21, 2024 02:13 PM (5fDan)

236 The shooter missed Trump but got Biden.

Posted by: ... at July 21, 2024 02:13 PM (lX8VI)

237 But I'm not in a skull mood. Maybe I'll think of something for tomorrow. I *was* avoiding idiot politics for the second weekend in a row.......
Posted by: ... at July 21, 2024 02:12 PM (lX8VI)

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Fair enough.

Posted by: Jordan61 at July 21, 2024 02:14 PM (74FUh)

238 I’m not so sure Kamala is a stronger candidate; once she opens her mouth it wouldn’t surprise me if the Trump lead gets bigger. She’s a total idiot….

And if they bypass the black woman, not sure how that helps Dems either. It’ll be interesting to see the polls over the next month

This might be the case where Dems regret getting what they asked for

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at July 21, 2024 02:14 PM (xT8gx)

239 197 I think this is now going to be a much harder fought, closer election.

Democrats must be ecstatic, they probably shored up Congress now.
Posted by: Blago at July 21

Democrat elite donors are happy. Rank and file are losing their shizzle because they are only capable of doing what the talking points say and those points having hit yet. They were all in with Biden staying. Think about this a minute. This is the brain power. Yet they end up so effective.

Posted by: Piper at July 21, 2024 02:14 PM (pZEOD)

240 Flew in to Oshkosh for a few days with a buddy a couple of years ago. My lovely wife's parting words to me were, "For heaven's sake, don't buy an airplane."

Women ruin all the fun.

Posted by: RS at July 21, 2024 02:14 PM (E7m29)

241 234 >>I'm ready. Put me in, Coach!
Posted by: Tim Kaine

*shoves Kaine to the floor and stand on top of him*

Pick me! I'm sooo progressive I'm making CO more woke than CA!
Posted by: Jared Polis, CA slob pretending to be Coloradan at July 21, 2024 02:13 PM (Pijte)

You joke, but Warner led the coalition to drop Trump...and Warner is a deep state pick...and puts VA in a blue lock. Fraud gets you the rest...

Posted by: Nova Local at July 21, 2024 02:14 PM (exHjb)

242 Somewhere, Joy Reid is in her bunker, waiting faithfully for Joe's heroic recovery from COVID-19.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at July 21, 2024 02:14 PM (VavZF)

243 nood mush head out by MisHum

Posted by: Gref at July 21, 2024 02:14 PM (5fDan)

244 Sorry your thread got stomped on, Roger, but thank you for the topic! Dad was an EAA member for years, and he took me to the Fly-In one year. Pappy Boynton was one of the guests, and it was a thrill to see a Corsair close up. Wish Dad's health had held up long enough to finish his KR-2.

Posted by: Barkingmad59, wandering lurkette at July 21, 2024 02:15 PM (hBG3V)

245 >>Hillary would relish the chance to run against Russia again!

1. OLD
2. Head-injured

Posted by: Jared Polis, CA slob pretending to be Coloradan at July 21, 2024 02:15 PM (Pijte)

246 Maybe the dems put together a super duper ticket, though I doubt they will. Fact is, this plays into Trump’s hands, as it keeps him off the front pages.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at July 21, 2024 02:15 PM (aVudl)

247 After all, Kamala wasn't on any primary ballots - why can't Joe give the money to someone else?
Posted by: The ARC

The money was donated to the B&H reelection campaign, not the 2024 Dem Election campaign.
So it can be transferred to a PAC buy not given directly to any other dems.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at July 21, 2024 02:15 PM (qEBh8)

248 Buttigieg/Polis in 2024 , You thought the USA was gay now, you ain't seen nothing yet

Posted by: Smell the Glove at July 21, 2024 02:15 PM (qejsy)

249 Four years ago Biden said he wouldn't run, going for one term.
Until he decided he'd run again and spoiled the DemCong promaries.
And he isn't gonnarun again.

The whole DemCong election season was an op so the puppet masters can insert the candidate of their choice... and the election fraud will be off the scales.

... like canceling the election and declare whoever they put on their ticket to have superceded Biden until the next, if ever, election.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 21, 2024 02:16 PM (cOq4q)

250 Stand down and fulfill my duties the rest of this term.
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So, open convention.

Hello, 1954 - FOOD FIGHT!

Posted by: Braenyard at July 21, 2024 02:16 PM (lCWOD)

251 >>I think this is now going to be a much harder fought, closer election.

Yea, the country is dying for the strong leadership of Commander Cackle.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 21, 2024 02:16 PM (LkLld)

252 "My wife has the keener eye for detail and recently we were at Marsh Creek State Park when a large contingent of what I thought were Amish but she said were Mennonites were departing. It was like being transported back in time... to a much better time. It's hard to describe.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at July 21, 2024 01:49 PM (RKVpM)"

I had some family that used to hire a lot of Mennonite ladies for housework - a succession of them as they got old enough to work, but prior to getting married. Every last one of them was a keeper, but obviously they weren't going to be on the market outside of their community.

They were all really smart with a razor sharp sense of humor. Loved tearing around in my little coupe when I'd get drafted to give them a ride home, also.

Posted by: somedood at July 21, 2024 02:16 PM (yDVMy)

253 I think this is now going to be a much harder fought, closer election.
Posted by: Blago

Dunno. Chaotic situations aren't a good start for a campaign. They only have 3 months. The stench of failure is strong and they're essentially admitting his presidency was a fraud.

Who knows. They could put a rabbit out of a hat that will electrify the country but signs are pointing in the other direction.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 21, 2024 02:16 PM (IG4Id)

254 Listen, y’all. If Mayor Pete is part of this, get worried. I know how you feel. I know our jokes. But I am telling you, do not underestimate him. It is hard to be mean to him in person. I worked with him for over 2 years.

Posted by: Piper at July 21, 2024 02:17 PM (pZEOD)

255 damn willowed

NOOD

Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 21, 2024 02:17 PM (IG4Id)

256 The money was donated to the B&H reelection campaign, not the 2024 Dem Election campaign.
So it can be transferred to a PAC buy not given directly to any other dems.
Posted by: AZ
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And we know the Dems always follow rules to the letter.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 21, 2024 02:17 PM (lCWOD)

257 DU isn't down, they've just closed access to noone but registered ~~lunatics~~ members.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 21, 2024 02:19 PM (sKZCy)

258 Was Biden ever 'officially' nominated for the DemCong ticket?

No. Then neither was Kamalalala.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 21, 2024 02:19 PM (cOq4q)

259 Love seeing this - my father was a crewman on an E-1 Tracer - the Willy Fudd - in VAW-111 on Oriskany. The OG shipborne AWACS. Thanks for the memories.

Posted by: JHP2 at July 21, 2024 03:04 PM (UIvnv)

260 Fabulous comments, Horde! I’m honored to post at AoSHQ and love all the comments, even snark and profanity. (I am a sailor after all.)

Larry, Fuel fumes question: that wasn’t me. I somehow got thru Primary without declaring an emergency.

qmark: wow! I hope your daughter has long and happy career!

Posted by: Roger Ball at July 21, 2024 03:44 PM (C8ve7)

261 I confused two separate crashes at the Reno Air races. At the risk of banning myself, I wish to correct myself.
The 2011 crash was a Mustang the 2023 crash was an AT6 and a T-6.

Posted by: Reforger at July 21, 2024 03:46 PM (xcIvR)

262 My first USN flight was also in a T-28 at NAS Corpus Christi in 1981. I also witnessed the very last C-1 flight as the V-4 Division Officer on the USS Constellation around 1986. A perfect deck run launch without a catapult.

Posted by: Esteve at July 21, 2024 04:52 PM (weH2K)

263 I started flight training at NAS Whiting in September, 1983. The T-28s were no longer there. I flew the T-34C. Went to NAS Corpus Christi for multi-engine training, earning my wings in December, 1984.

Went to NAS North Island for nuke and SERE school, then on to the P-3 RAG (VP-31) at NAS Moffett Field. Upon completion of training, I moved across the field there to an operational P-3C squadron for four years.

Back to NAS Whiting Field as an instructor pilot for a couple of years before submitting my resignation letter to fly commercial.

Now retired living in Pensacola.

Posted by: bed head at July 21, 2024 06:46 PM (Y1sOo)

264 It is hard to be mean to him in person. I worked with him for over 2 years.
Posted by: Piper at July 21, 2024 02:17 PM (pZEOD)

Yeah , hard to be hard on a man who will take care of your hard-on.

Posted by: Auspex at July 21, 2024 07:04 PM (j4U/Z)

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