THE MORNING RANT: Federal Government to Slaughter 500,000 <i>Barred Owls</i> after Logging Bans Didn’t Save the <i>“Northern” Spotted Owl</i>

THE MORNING RANT: Federal Government to Slaughter 500,000 Barred Owls after Logging Bans Didn’t Save the “Northern” Spotted Owl

A famous lie promulgated by anti-logging activists to save a regional “subspecies” of spotted owls (the “northern spotted owl” ) has now evolved into a federally orchestrated slaughter of a different species of owls – barred owls. A compendium of falsehoods in service to the 20th Century environmental agenda has led us to this place in the 21 Century at which “greens” are now the ones fervently calling for the mass-sacrifice of raptors, whales, and other magnificent creatures in order to appease their angry climate God.

“To save spotted owls, US officials plan to kill hundreds of thousands of another owl species” [AP – 7/03/2024]

To save the imperiled [northern] spotted owl from potential extinction, U.S. wildlife officials are embracing a contentious plan to deploy trained shooters into dense West Coast forests to kill almost a half-million barred owls that are crowding out their cousins.

For decades, the operational excuse for the decline in spotted owls in the Pacific Northwest was that timber companies were felling “old growth” trees, which was the only habitat that spotted owls could live in.

The barred owl plan follows decades of conflict between conservationists and timber companies, which cut down vast areas of older forests where spotted owls reside. Early efforts to save the birds culminated in logging bans in the 1990s that roiled the timber industry and its political supporters in Congress.

The old growth forests were saved! So why did spotted owl populations continue to decline? It turns out the situation had nothing to do with spotted owls preferring “old growth” trees versus younger trees, it was due to barred owls extending their North American range into the Pacific Northwest, and somewhat displacing spotted owls.

The proliferation of barred owls in recent years is undermining that earlier work, officials said. The shootings would likely begin next spring, officials said. Barred owls would be lured using megaphones to broadcast recorded owl calls, then shot with shotguns. Carcasses would be buried on site.

Lovely. What about the possibility that spotted owls might be mistaken for barred owls and shot by mistake? These two owls pictured below are a barred owl (left) and a northern spotted owl (right). On a gray day from 40 yards away, I’m sure there is no risk of misidentification of one of these birds amidst the branches, leaves, and twigs.

Yet spotted owl populations continued declining after barred owls started showing up on the West Coast several decades ago. Across the region at least half of spotted owls have been lost, with declines of 75% or more in some study areas, said Katherine Fitzgerald, who leads the wildlife service’s northern spotted owl recovery program.

Unsurprisingly, now that logging cannot be blamed for the spotted owl’s decline, global warming is being identified as a factor. These eco-communists are so predictable.

Researchers say barred owls moved westward by one of two routes: across the Great Plains, where trees planted by settlers gave them a foothold in new areas; or via Canada’s boreal forests, which have become more hospitable as temperatures rise because of climate change.

Climate change. Is there anything it can’t do? Related, those devastating western wildfires a few years back were blamed on climate change, of course, but forest mismanagement was the major contributor, driven in large part by the spotted owl vs logger battles.

“Wildfires and the spotted owl hoax” [Bonner Cohen – CFACT – 10/02/2020]

Rapidly spreading wildfires have laid waste to hundreds of thousands of acres of timberland and grassland, destroyed homes and businesses, and killed dozens of people in an area stretching from western Oregon south to Napa and Sonoma counties in California’s wine country. The fires took advantage of the region’s hopelessly overgrown forests, which provide combustible fuel for the destructive conflagrations. And that’s where the spotted owl comes in. As a result of the owl’s being placed on the federal Endangered Species List in 1990, severe restrictions were placed on the cutting of trees on millions of acres in the region’s national forests.

Mr. Cohen then debunks the notion that northern spotted owls could only exist in “old growth” forests, but also note again the use of the term “subspecies,” to which I am going to circle back again shortly.

The environmentalists’ claims rested on the argument that the northern spotted owl, strix caurina occidentalis, one of several subspecies of spotted owl, was in danger of going extinct because its primary habitat, old-growth forests, was threatened by commercial logging. As the drama unfolded, the term “old-growth forests” became a staple of the debate over the owl.
But owls also thrive in younger forests, where their favorite prey, the northern flying squirrel and other rodents, are abundant. That the owl’s survival depended on millions of acres of timberland made off-limits to logging was an unfounded notion spread by environmentalists.

The Fish and Wildlife Service declared the northern spotted owl endangered in 1990, and draconian anti-logging practices were implemented. But they had no impact, because logging was not the enemy of the spotted owl.

In truth, the spotted owl was coming under pressure, but it had nothing to do with old-growth forests and nothing to do with logging. Barred owls began moving west from forests in Canada and Minnesota in the early 1900s and had made their way into the Pacific Northwest by the 1970s. Larger and more aggressive than the spotted owl, the barred owl successfully invaded the smaller owl’s territory and began winning the competition for prey and thus survival. In fact, the barred owl was known to be causing problems for its smaller cousin at the time of the debate over what to do with the spotted owl, but this was swept under the rug in the rush to save “ancient forests.”

But there is more to this story than the “old growth” fabrication. Another misrepresentation is that the northern spotted owl is a unique species at all.

Endangered “northern spotted owls” are a “sub-species” of spotted owls, which means they are, in fact, the same species as California spotted owls and Mexican spotted owls, which also live on the west coast. Their difference is that geographic distance and separation have caused some differences in plumage and appearance. To call these spotted owls a different “sub-species” is like stating that Norwegians, Koreans, and Nigerians are different subspecies of homo sapiens. The notion of bird “sub-species” is actively rejected by many in the ornithology community.

This research piece from the Cooper Ornithological Society makes it rather clear that the spotted owl is all one species, noting that the northern spotted owl’s identifying features are based on a specimen from Puget Sound in Washington, while the California spotted owl is based on one from Southern California, but the identifying features of spotted owls gradually morph between the two locations.

The original descriptions of the Northern and California Spotted Owls were based on a small number of specimens, taken from Puget Sound and southern California, respectively (Merriam 1898 ); specimens from intervening localities were not available at the time of the original descriptions. A subsequent morphometric analysis of traits cited in the original description of the Northern Spotted Owl revealed only subtle clinal variation in size, plumage pattern, and color among population samples from throughout the range of the species (Barrowclough and Flesness 1996); thus the original recognition of the races was apparently due to sampling of individuals from distant ends of clines, which differed in color and spot size.

In summary, two great lies are at the root of the environmental damage that has been done in the name of the spotted owl: 1) That logging was responsible for their decreasing spotted owl population in the Pacific Northwest; and 2) That there is even such a species as the “northern spotted owl.”

But hundreds of thousands of barred owls are now going to be killed in perpetuation of these lies. Considering that the “green,” anti-carbon advocates of the wind industry defend the senseless killing of millions of eagles, raptors, and migratory birds as a necessary religious sacrament, this proposed owl slaughter is consistent with the 21st Century environmental movement.

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Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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1 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 08, 2024 11:00 AM (Zz0t1)

2 st!

Posted by: Franz Liebkind at July 08, 2024 11:00 AM (ZANHd)

3 Off, sock!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 08, 2024 11:00 AM (ZANHd)

4 We must kill the owls to save the owls.

- - - - George W. Bush

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 08, 2024 11:00 AM (Zz0t1)

5 Yea... this will work out just fine.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 08, 2024 11:01 AM (Q4IgG)

6 Kill the colonizers is very popular these days.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 08, 2024 11:02 AM (LkLld)

7 Owl Lives Matter!

Posted by: screaming in digital at July 08, 2024 11:02 AM (iZbyp)

8 Needed more K-Marts. Spotted owls loved building nests in the 'K' part of those K-Mart signs.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at July 08, 2024 11:02 AM (sjfNX)

9 Why it’s almost as if the government is incompetent at everything they do.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 08, 2024 11:03 AM (3cb+Z)

10 4 We must kill the owls to save the owls.

- - - - George W. Bush
Posted by: Sponge
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Easier to neuter and imprison the 'environmentalists' to save the owls.

Posted by: whig at July 08, 2024 11:03 AM (nJXKb)

11 Kill them to save them
Where have I heard that before?

Posted by: Skip at July 08, 2024 11:03 AM (gSUmr)

12 Environmentalism has nothing to do with the truth.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 08, 2024 11:03 AM (mlQIE)

13 Rush Limbaugh was right!!!

Posted by: Rick in SK at July 08, 2024 11:03 AM (fC9nH)

14 What's wrong with barred owls? My son in TN has one that lives in the tree outside his room and I love hearing it. And I see them occasionally in our neighborhood here in Virginia.

Posted by: bluebell at July 08, 2024 11:03 AM (aWMPM)

15 Because Man stepping in and f*cking with natural selection always works out so well.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 08, 2024 11:04 AM (Zz0t1)

16 The environmental left doesn't care about animals.

They care about control. The animals are a means to an end.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 08, 2024 11:04 AM (N1DT3)

17 Unsurprisingly, now that logging cannot be blamed for the spotted owl’s decline, global warming is being identified as a factor. These eco-communists are so predictable.

Researchers say barred owls moved westward by one of two routes: across the Great Plains, where trees planted by settlers gave them a foothold in new areas; or via Canada’s boreal forests, which have become more hospitable as temperatures rise because of climate change.

Sorry, what? If spotted owls prefer cooler climes, wouldn't they all move north to Canada? I mean, wings.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2024 11:04 AM (xCA6C)

18 Is this some strange allegory for the fate of Western civiluzation?

Posted by: Erik In Texas at July 08, 2024 11:04 AM (Vz/Ow)

19 Rush Limbaugh was right!!!
Posted by: Rick in SK at July 08, 2024 11:03 AM (fC9nH)

They're turning the frogs gay?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 08, 2024 11:04 AM (Zz0t1)

20 Huh.

Weird that the biggest champions of evolution now refuse to let natural selection take its course...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 08, 2024 11:05 AM (7fElN)

21 So what if thousands of loggers lost their livelihoods. They’re just dirty racist white men.
- left

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 08, 2024 11:05 AM (3cb+Z)

22 From a friend who works at Dep of AG out in Northern CA:

Quick history

Historically, barred owls ranged from the east coast to the plains, where the lack of trees made it inhospitable. As more towns and cities were built and trees planted, they extended their range to the western forests, where the tree density made it inhospitable (their native habitat is open forested). As western forests were logged and fragmented, it allowed expansion to the coast. They hit Washington early 80's, Oregon in the early 90's, northern California late 90s. Being bigger and more aggressive than spotted owls, they will chase them out of territory and even kill them. They also cause genetic pollution, which is not a nazi reference but rather they will breed with spotted owls and produce functionally sterile young ("sparred owl") that further reduces spotted owl populations.

Now for the facepalm part.

When I was an owl biologist in the early 2000's, we argued in favor of killing barred owls which numbered a few dozen pairs in northern California. We were shot down (yes pun intended, need you ask?) over concerns not of necessity nor effectiveness, but public perception. A quarter century late

Posted by: NR Pax at July 08, 2024 11:05 AM (OPGS/)

23 Rush was right when he coined the term "environmentalist whackos."

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 08, 2024 11:05 AM (v6JzV)

24 They're turning the frogs gay?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden

that's Alex Jones

Posted by: Rick in SK at July 08, 2024 11:05 AM (fC9nH)

25 And the owls are all kept equal
By Mossberg
SIG
And Glock

Posted by: Neil Peart first draft at July 08, 2024 11:05 AM (OguvZ)

26 This is the same government that people are worried about it putting them in camps.

Ha!

Posted by: pawn at July 08, 2024 11:06 AM (QB+5g)

27 11 Kill them to save them
Where have I heard that before?
Posted by: Skip at July 08, 2024 11:03 AM (gSUmr)

Destroy capitalism to save it.
- GWB in 2008

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 08, 2024 11:06 AM (3cb+Z)

28 Dang...if this was a Cat 1 storm I sure don't want any more than that! My town has much damage. Time to get my chainsaw, some chains and my truck and go see what I can do about it. Wharton County abuts Matagorda County to the north.

Posted by: DanMan at July 08, 2024 11:06 AM (8uzBS)

29 They're turning the frogs gay?
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 08, 2024 11:04 AM

Those things are already queer as a three dollar bill. They push Budweiser, fer cryin' out loud.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 08, 2024 11:06 AM (ZANHd)

30 Is there a way we can blame trump?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 08, 2024 11:06 AM (evvc2)

31 Wings up, Don't shoot!

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at July 08, 2024 11:06 AM (T+Iwg)

32 Checkers

Nixon closed by inviting viewers and listeners to help decide his political fate by sending letters and telegrams not to Eisenhower but to members of the Republican National Committee. Tell them, Nixon said, “whether you think I should stay on or whether I should get off. And whatever their decision is, I will abide by it.”

Americans responded by the tens of thousands, expressing support for Nixon. Members of the Republican National Committee voted without objection to keep him on the ticket.

Posted by: SMOD at July 08, 2024 11:07 AM (RHGPo)

33 19 Wrong Rush Lumbaugh. You're thinking of the InfoWars guy. Who was also right.

Posted by: Erik In Texas at July 08, 2024 11:07 AM (Vz/Ow)

34 Looks like Dementia Joe is digging in his heals and won't go peacefully.

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Do not go peacefully into that good night.
Rage! Rage! Against the dying of the light.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at July 08, 2024 11:07 AM (L/fGl)

35
that's Alex Jones
Posted by: Rick in SK at July 08, 2024 11:05 AM (fC9nH)

I know. It was a joke. /fail

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 08, 2024 11:07 AM (Zz0t1)

36 Disgusting. I'm not a treehugger by any means, but I deeply object to killing thousands of animals for no reason.

Posted by: Dr. T at July 08, 2024 11:07 AM (jGGMD)

37 4 We must kill the owls to save the owls.

- - - - George W. Bush
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 08, 2024 11:00 AM (Zz0t1)

“I did the same thing, but with children!”

~ Janet Reno

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at July 08, 2024 11:07 AM (iSfV4)

38 IANAO (ornithologist) but are we absolutely certain that those are two separate species and not just color morphs of the same species?

Posted by: Oddbob at July 08, 2024 11:07 AM (/y8xj)

39 This story clearly is covering up the real reason for the planned slaughter: Barred Owls disproportionately support Trump.

Posted by: Eeyore at July 08, 2024 11:07 AM (1bNHn)

40 The "owl theory" defense was used in the North Carolina murder case of Kathleen Peterson. And it was a Barred Owl who done the deed.

Posted by: Great Horned One at July 08, 2024 11:07 AM (V5BDR)

41 My older brother bought a house that borders right on a national forest more than thirty years ago. From the beginning, one could stand on his property and see that the density of trees in the forest was too high to be healthy. Of course, the feds couldn't thin it out - they tried numerous times but every time the environmentalists would tie the proposal up in courts and it wouldn't happen.

So, just last year, the state intervened and thinned out the trees to something much closer to a healthy density of trees. I don't fully understand all the legal wrangling that the state had to do with the feds and courts to get this done, but it happened.

Environmentalists disgust me to no end. Conservation is not a desired goal for far too many of them. It's simply a means for them to screw society over.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at July 08, 2024 11:08 AM (sjfNX)

42 The barred owl (Strix varia), also known as the northern barred owl, striped owl or, more informally, hoot owl or eight-hooter owl, is a North American large species of owl. It's flavor is similar to the spotted owl (Strix occidentalis), but is much favored over the the spotted owl because of it larger size and meatier parts.

Posted by: Owl Facts at July 08, 2024 11:08 AM (vFG9F)

43 I hope everybody has escaped serious damage from Beryl, The Storm That Walked Like a Man.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024 11:08 AM (J2vNu)

44 I think there's a reason why some species survive and others don't. Maybe several reasons.

The human species is working at great lengths to make sure itself is one of them that becomes extinct.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 08, 2024 11:08 AM (Q4IgG)

45 9 Why it’s almost as if the government is incompetent at everything they do.
Posted by: Biden is Finished
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Interest group pluralism is probably the worst form of government in performance that can exist.

You get issue networks that are basically cancerous organizations that cannot disband after achieving whatever dubious cause they championed. These networks of individuals migrate to newer and more stupid causes in order for funds, conferences, political power, and all the other trash that accumulate with senile organizations with no real reason for continued existence.

For this reason, 'non profits' should be taxed and regulated just as regular businesses are including universities, etc. We are approaching the same problems that led to the French Revolution in the government fisc---too much is not taxable (due to political power and wealth) and the burden can no longer be borne much by the middle class which is being impoverished in favor of the favored welfare classes from below and financially raped in the marketplace by those cloud people above that run society via market manipulation, oligopolies, cheap labor outsourcing and H1B replacements, etc.

Posted by: whig at July 08, 2024 11:09 AM (nJXKb)

46 Kill them to save them
Where have I heard that before?

Posted by: Skip at July 08, 2024 11:03 AM (gSUmr)

We had to destroy the village to save the village.

Posted by: John Effing Kerry at July 08, 2024 11:09 AM (8fLIj)

47 This story clearly is covering up the real reason for the planned slaughter: Barred Owls disproportionately support Trump.
Posted by: Eeyore at July 08, 2024

***
I read this as Barron Owls.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024 11:09 AM (J2vNu)

48 Can't trust owls.

Posted by: XTC at July 08, 2024 11:09 AM (UnA8+)

49 $1000 says if logging were an industry dominated by blacks or Hispanics, there’d be no spotted owl concerns by anyone.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 08, 2024 11:09 AM (3cb+Z)

50 The human species is working at great lengths to make sure itself is one of them that becomes extinct.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 08, 2024 11:08 AM (Q4IgG)
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We have the distinction of being the only species willing to eradicate itself on purpose. Go humans! /sarc

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 08, 2024 11:09 AM (7fElN)

51 It might just be better if I never knew this shit. Alas. I now know.

Heads on Pikes. The owls are so similar I don't give a shit. The owl killing makes me want to do things to administrators.

Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at July 08, 2024 11:10 AM (Z8Yh2)

52 Excerpt from Biden's letter to Democrats:

"The question of how to move forward has been well-aired for over a week now. And it's time for it to end....It is time to come together, move forward as a unified party, and defeat Donald Trump."

Posted by: Dr. T at July 08, 2024 11:10 AM (jGGMD)

53 Poor owls! I wish I could give a hoot.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 08, 2024 11:10 AM (KbKv0)

54 I mean, can't eat em......let them figure it out. Who really gives a shit?

One owl species is destroyed by another owl species because Man gave them the ability to migrate further.

Oops. Get over it.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 08, 2024 11:10 AM (Zz0t1)

55 Do not go peacefully into that good night.
Rage! Rage! Against the dying of the light.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Free the Trump 45! at July 08, 2024

***
A light? Where's the light? Look, Fat, when I was coming up we didn't have . . . anyway, I beat Medicare to death with a shovel. Top that.

Posted by: F. Joke Biden at July 08, 2024 11:10 AM (J2vNu)

56 Trying to figure out why we should care which of two almost identical owls survive.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at July 08, 2024 11:11 AM (4lNeo)

57 Excerpt from Biden's letter to Democrats:

"The question of how to move forward has been well-aired for over a week now. And it's time for it to end....It is time to come together, move forward as a unified party, and defeat Donald Trump."
Posted by: Dr. T at July 08, 2024 11:10 AM (jGGMD)

The deep state will find out who actually wrote that and take them to the park for some suicide training.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 08, 2024 11:11 AM (Zz0t1)

58 Fuck the government. I'm tired of their bullshit.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2024 11:11 AM (PrOMo)

59 Is there a way we can blame trump?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

There is always a way to blame Trump, Grasshopper.

Posted by: Master Po at July 08, 2024 11:11 AM (xCA6C)

60 Perhaps use the shotguns on 500,000 environmentalists?

Posted by: Diogenes at July 08, 2024 11:11 AM (W/lyH)

61 You get issue networks that are basically cancerous organizations that cannot disband after achieving whatever dubious cause they championed. These networks of individuals migrate to newer and more stupid causes in order for funds, conferences, political power, and all the other trash that accumulate with senile organizations with no real reason for continued existence.

—

See March of Dimes. An organization created to fight polio. Polio was eradicated 50 years ago. And yet, March of Dimes still exists today. They just pivoted to another cause in order to keep the bureaucracy alive.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 08, 2024 11:11 AM (3cb+Z)

62 Affirmative Owl Action.

Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at July 08, 2024 11:12 AM (Z8Yh2)

63 Yeah, so some owls died. Just think of all the global warming emissions from owl droppings that were eliminated

Posted by: Ripley at July 08, 2024 11:12 AM (GUOwU)

64 Though the two species are genetically quite distinct, they may hybridize in areas where displacement is occurring, resulting in an interspecific hybrid owl referred to as a "sparred owl".[

Posted by: Owl Facts at July 08, 2024 11:12 AM (vFG9F)

65 I read this as Barron Owls.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius,

Barron Trump is really tall. He'd be more like a moa.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 08, 2024 11:12 AM (v6JzV)

66 32 Checkers

Nixon closed by inviting viewers and listeners to help decide his political fate by sending letters and telegrams not to Eisenhower but to members of the Republican National Committee. Tell them, Nixon said, “whether you think I should stay on or whether I should get off. And whatever their decision is, I will abide by it.”

Americans responded by the tens of thousands, expressing support for Nixon. Members of the Republican National Committee voted without objection to keep him on the ticket.
Posted by: SMOD

Truth is that Nixon did have a secret slush fund paid for by his California 'friends'. But, so did most other pols including Ike, Truman, etc.

Pols have been kept mistresses if not wealthy for a VERY long time. The difference now is that we tolerate foreigners buying our pols when it used to be pretty much US oligarchs.

To break down the system, you have to destroy the incentives for foreigners to interfere with US politics either at the individual or system level.

Posted by: whig at July 08, 2024 11:12 AM (nJXKb)

67 Excerpt from Biden's letter to Democrats:

"The question of how to move forward has been well-aired for over a week now. And it's time for it to end....It is time to come together, move forward as a unified party, and defeat Donald Trump."

In one of life's great ironies, this is actually the correct position. Biden has won all 50+ primaries. He is - per 'our democracy' - the nominee.

Ride or die time, Dems. Ride or die.

I have my preferences...

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at July 08, 2024 11:12 AM (8fLIj)

68 The environmental whackos pestered the park administration in my hometown to let a recreational lake that was created for the sole purpose of recreation, silt up and "go back to Nature".

Now it's just a swamp and no one can go near it or enjoy it at all. Wasted space in the middle of town.

Posted by: pawn at July 08, 2024 11:13 AM (QB+5g)

69 We have the distinction of being the only species willing to eradicate itself on purpose. Go humans! /sarc

What are we, chopped liver?

Posted by: Pandas at July 08, 2024 11:13 AM (xCA6C)

70 I wager a thousand quatloos that there isn't a single member of the House or Senate who can tell the difference between the owls.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 08, 2024 11:13 AM (W/lyH)

71 Owls died because Drumpf is Hitler.

Didn't you see him on the New Republic cover? He even had the mustache!

Posted by: XTC at July 08, 2024 11:13 AM (UnA8+)

72 Saw a video of Biden at the black church, looking like a husk with his mouth agape. He took the money for the collection plate, obviously not knowing why he had it, and folded it up and put it in his pocket. I guess he even takes his 10% from the church.

Posted by: Megthered at July 08, 2024 11:13 AM (W1XW9)

73 My old growth forrest burned.
Thank you forrest service, you over educated fucking idiots and your "let it burn, there is lots of undergrowth in there". Ain't one fucking owl of ANY species within 80 miles now. Nor is there bear nor fox nor mountain lion nor anything. 4 years later.
Including growth, over, under or population.
It sure is a good thing we never cut any of those trees down.

Posted by: Reforger at July 08, 2024 11:14 AM (xcIvR)

74 I would imagine the public perception of killing half a million owls isn't going to be what the feds think it will be.

See, there's an environmentalist for every occasion.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 08, 2024 11:14 AM (Q4IgG)

75 'Tis Monday. I know, grr, ugh, Monday. But look at it this way. When you're still on the upper side of the ground, even a bad Monday is pretty small kumquats, nicht wahr?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024 11:14 AM (J2vNu)

76 What species is Woodsy Owl? Will he have to go on the lam, hiding from the Federal 12 Gauge?

Posted by: Give a Hoot! Don't Pollute! at July 08, 2024 11:14 AM (V5BDR)

77 To call these spotted owls a different “sub-species” is like stating that Norwegians, Koreans, and Nigerians are different subspecies of homo sapiens.

interestingly there is enough genetic difference there that in any other animal population they would be classified as at least a different sub-species

Posted by: brak at July 08, 2024 11:14 AM (AR07F)

78 'Tis Monday. I know, grr, ugh, Monday. But look at it this way. When you're still on the upper side of the ground, even a bad Monday is pretty small kumquats, nicht wahr?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024 11:14 AM (J2vNu)

I guess you missed the Art Thread this morning.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 08, 2024 11:14 AM (Zz0t1)

79 Now it's just a swamp and no one can go near it or enjoy it at all. Wasted space in the middle of town.
Posted by: pawn at July 08, 2024 11:13 AM (QB+5g)

You could turn it into a park!

Posted by: Leslie Knope at July 08, 2024 11:15 AM (T+Iwg)

80 See March of Dimes. An organization created to fight polio. Polio was eradicated 50 years ago. And yet, March of Dimes still exists today. They just pivoted to another cause in order to keep the bureaucracy alive.
Posted by: Biden is Finished
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Most non profits have concluded the best way is to simply be a lobbyist and lawfare specialists for big gub to pay for whatever they want. They don't spend their own money on the cause but other people's.

That is the ones that are not simply a tax shelter for spoiled trust funders and oligarchs.

Posted by: whig at July 08, 2024 11:15 AM (nJXKb)

81 We have the distinction of being the only species willing to eradicate itself on purpose. Go humans! /sarc

What are we, chopped liver?
Posted by: Pandas at July 08, 2024 11:13 AM (xCA6C)
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I don't see too many pandas calling for the extermination of the human race as a cancer on Gaia.

Your problem is entirely driven by evolutionary pressure. Put down the bamboo, eat some red meat, get off those cute little fannies and start breeding!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 08, 2024 11:15 AM (7fElN)

82 Monday after a 5 day holiday weekend is tough. I honestly can’t remember what I was working on last week. lol.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 08, 2024 11:15 AM (3cb+Z)

83
Nothing pisses off we 6 handicap golfers more than some lying liar like Trump filling out his scorecard before the round.

Mika and Joe agree.

Posted by: Auspex at July 08, 2024 11:15 AM (j4U/Z)

84 Are you sure about that? Are they a distinct species, or a "breed"? A western barred Owl.

They don't give a fuck about owls, near as I can tell. They hate logging or any resource extraction near as I can tell. It's just axiomatic, somebody wants to develop or mine a parcel for something - and immediately somebody starts howling about an endangered cockroach. It's all BS.

Posted by: Common Tater at July 08, 2024 11:16 AM (gRkj7)

85
Rush Limbaugh was right!!!
Posted by: Rick in SK

He used to talk about the spotted owls living inside a K-Mart sign.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 08, 2024 11:16 AM (63Dwl)

86 Now it's just a swamp and no one can go near it or enjoy it at all. Wasted space in the middle of town.
Posted by: pawn
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I am sure that the mosquitoes are quite pleased.

Posted by: whig at July 08, 2024 11:16 AM (nJXKb)

87 I would imagine the public perception of killing half a million owls isn't going to be what the feds think it will be.

See, there's an environmentalist for every occasion.

I think owls only come out at night and like fog, so it could be called a MistOwlNacht.
*apologies to my Hebrew friends*

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2024 11:16 AM (xCA6C)

88 animals species have been displacing other animal species for eons

let nature be nature

THE F***ING OWLS WILL SORT IT OUT

Posted by: Don Black at July 08, 2024 11:16 AM (/7KEl)

89 Now it's just a swamp and no one can go near it or enjoy it at all. Wasted space in the middle of town.
Posted by: pawn at July 08, 2024 11:13 AM (QB+5g)

Am not!

Posted by: Washington DC at July 08, 2024 11:17 AM (jGGMD)

90 I know. It was a joke. /fail
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden

no worries, he is right too

Posted by: Rick in SK at July 08, 2024 11:17 AM (fC9nH)

91 Truth is that Nixon did have a secret slush fund paid for by his California 'friends'. But, so did most other pols including Ike, Truman, etc.

Which is why Ike, while watching the Checkers speech, snapped a pencil in frustration when Nixon called for all the candidates to open their books for financial auditing - not only did Ike have a slush fund, there was a lot of hinky stuff surrounding the advances and royalties of his book about WW2.

Not for nothing did Nixon call Ike "The most devious man I ever knew."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 08, 2024 11:17 AM (Q0kLU)

92 Off, Parks and Rec sock!

(Watching the series for the first time and really enjoy it, even if we're now into the political cameo episodes.)

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at July 08, 2024 11:17 AM (T+Iwg)

93 This seems similar to the "CLIMATE ~~CHANGE~~ ~~CRISIS~~ MELTING!!!!"

"The climate/environment/animal habitat that I grew up with is the correct one.

Any change to that is bad and MUST be the result of human tampering."

Animal habitats, climate, etc... have been changing for millennia and will continue to do so until this world is no more.

Posted by: Formerly Virginian at July 08, 2024 11:17 AM (N1DT3)

94 Biden called into MSNBC this morning...obviously, his new campaign strategy will be audio, where no one can see him reading or see the state he is in...

That said, he was terrible, as always, this morning...and he reaffirmed again he is in. Dems are gonna flip...

Posted by: Nova Local at July 08, 2024 11:17 AM (exHjb)

95 Watching the Alex Baldwin preliminary hearings. So far he hasn't berated or insulted anyone.

Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at July 08, 2024 11:18 AM (RUmyk)

96 72 Saw a video of Biden at the black church, looking like a husk with his mouth agape. He took the money for the collection plate, obviously not knowing why he had it, and folded it up and put it in his pocket. I guess he even takes his 10% from the church.
Posted by: Megthered at Jul

Omg. Where us video of that?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at July 08, 2024 11:18 AM (OiAR7)

97 I would imagine the public perception of killing half a million owls isn't going to be what the feds think it will be.

See, there's an environmentalist for every occasion.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 08, 2024 11:14 AM (Q4IgG)
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This reminds me of the Futurama episode where the gang goes to a penguin preserve on Pluto to rescue them from a "dark matter" spill. Turns out dark matter is a penguin aphrodisiac and they start breeding uncontrollably. The envirokooks then started shooting them to thin their numbers.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 08, 2024 11:18 AM (7fElN)

98 There is a niche in the forest environment marked "owl". I really don't care which owl fills it. But killing half a million barred owls in the hope that spotted owls will go on a breeding orgy to fill the vacant niche seems...unwise.

Might be fun to sic some anti-hunting activists on the "trained shooters".

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 08, 2024 11:19 AM (KbKv0)

99 A lake near where I grew up had some issue with a certain fish’s population falling. So the geniuses at state wildlife started encouraging people to fish for another species which was a predator of this fish species.

Of course the unintended consequence was a sudden drop in the population of the predator fish which caused other fish to explode in population which led to a decrease in some algae.

Top men!!

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 08, 2024 11:20 AM (3cb+Z)

100 Off, Parks and Rec sock!

(Watching the series for the first time and really enjoy it, even if we're now into the political cameo episodes.)
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher

Tried to watch The Office. OMG it was horrible. Made it 6 episodes in.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2024 11:20 AM (PrOMo)

101 Yes, and the dirty little secret is, when logging was an industry in this country they were generally very responsive to fires and maintained their own fire fighting capabilities.

Once all that went bye-bye, it devolved to the state. And the "state" is full of greenies and watermelons. The predictable result is forest mismanagement, and lots of really bad fires.

Which are blamed on Republicans, or "Global Warming". You have to admire in a grudging way, the whole mind fvck they have done on everybody.

Posted by: Common Tater at July 08, 2024 11:20 AM (gRkj7)

102 As soon as we reach the exactly correct proportion of barred owls to spotted owls, Utopia will have been achieved and we will return to our regular programming.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 08, 2024 11:20 AM (jdHxK)

103 MSNBC Host Lawrence O’Donnell Calls For Biden Aides To Be Allowed On Stage With Him At Next Debate

Says they should be given microphones and allowed to talk for him

.. Did Abraham Lincoln and Stephen Douglas have staff available when they debated the gold standard ?

.. Did John F. Kennedy and Richard Nixon have staff available when they debated ?

.. Is Joe Biden so incapacitated that he requires "guardians" ?

.. Why not elect Joe's dog, Commander, to do the debates; be President ?

Posted by: SMOD at July 08, 2024 11:20 AM (RHGPo)

104 Natural selection ... ftw?

I do hate some of the invasive species of plants here, often introduced by government, like multiflora rose. The bad one now is bush honeysuckle, which outcompetes almost everything in the woods around here. The big trees are still there, but it is harder for anything to grow under the big tree canopy after the bush honeysuckle takes up all remaining light.

But killing off these owls seems dumb, as is well documented by Buck Throckmorton. All owls have a safe space around my woods. Hate has no home here (except hate for too many raccoons) ... heh.

Posted by: illiniwek at July 08, 2024 11:20 AM (Cus5s)

105 I would imagine the public perception of killing half a million owls isn't going to be what the feds think it will be.

See, there's an environmentalist for every occasion.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 08, 2024 11:14 AM (Q4IgG)

The thing about environmentalists is, once they assume they have the wisdom and the right to order the environment to their liking, anything, even the mass killing of the plants and animals they claim to love, becomes justifiable.

It's just like that New Zealand professor some years ago who argued we needed to cull cats and dogs en masse to save the planet.

Posted by: Dr. T at July 08, 2024 11:20 AM (jGGMD)

106 12 Environmentalism has nothing to do with the truth.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm
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What the title environmentalist says is not what they do. Typical 'Stan inversion.

I am a conservationist because of good stewardship of what the Lord gave us is a virtue but will never be an environmentalist because fundamentally the leaders of these organizations if not many of their adherents are anti-human and evil.

Posted by: whig at July 08, 2024 11:20 AM (nJXKb)

107 There is a niche in the forest environment marked "owl". I really don't care which owl fills it. But killing half a million barred owls in the hope that spotted owls will go on a breeding orgy to fill the vacant niche seems...unwise.

Might be fun to sic some anti-hunting activists on the "trained shooters".
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 08, 2024 11:19 AM (KbKv0)
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Watch for an explosion in the local rodent population as a result of this stupid policy.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 08, 2024 11:20 AM (7fElN)

108 Question one: how do they taste?
Question two: are they seriously expecting the shooter to tell the difference at 50 yards, which is the best range they can hope for?

Posted by: Thomas Paine at July 08, 2024 11:21 AM (vBeoE)

109 like how they want to kill millions of us to save them?

Posted by: ghost of hallelujah at July 08, 2024 11:21 AM (sJHOI)

110 88 animals species have been displacing other animal species for eons

let nature be nature

THE F***ING OWLS WILL SORT IT OUT

it's funny because this is, fundamentally, how the encroachment happened in the first place. fucking owls.

Posted by: anachronda at July 08, 2024 11:21 AM (sGtp+)

111 This whole barred owl vs. spotted owl could be a metaphor for what is happening in Europe.

Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at July 08, 2024 11:21 AM (RUmyk)

112 I would imagine the public perception of killing half a million owls isn't going to be what the feds think it will be.

See, there's an environmentalist for every occasion.
Posted by: Martini Farmer

That's when I get active. Especially after volunteering at a raptor rehab center.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2024 11:21 AM (PrOMo)

113 108 Question two: are they seriously expecting the shooter to tell the difference at 50 yards, which is the best range they can hope for?

tanned, rested, and ready

Posted by: chatgpt at July 08, 2024 11:21 AM (sGtp+)

114 I worked on a job in Brentwood, CA(the nothern one), burrowing owls on site. Stopped construction. Next year the developer covered the entire 8 acre site in fabric to keep the owls out. While expensive, it was cheaper than shutting down. Meanwhile the owls were fucked.

Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at July 08, 2024 11:21 AM (Z8Yh2)

115 MSNBC Host Lawrence O’Donnell Calls For Biden Aides To Be Allowed On Stage With Him At Next Debate

From which I conclude that Lawrence O'Donnell is feeling ignored and irrelevant, and wants some attention.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2024 11:22 AM (xCA6C)

116 Darwin certainly takes a back seat when the religious fervor of the greens takes hold.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 08, 2024 11:22 AM (tT6L1)

117 The owl thing doesn't compute for me.

I can see trying to eradicate invasive species (Burmese pythons in the Everglades), but the one thing doesn't seem like the other thing.

Anyway... I'm sure the experts know what they're doing.

Posted by: mnw at July 08, 2024 11:22 AM (NLIak)

118 I's a relief that experts in the federal government know exactly which brand of owls we should side with.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 08, 2024 11:22 AM (jdHxK)

119 It's just like that New Zealand professor some years ago who argued we needed to cull cats and dogs en masse to save the planet.
Posted by: Dr. T
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Academia took a wrong turn over a century ago by employing people that in previous centuries would be dirty, smelly, perverted bums. Just like Jean Jacque Rousseau or Karl Marx in fact.

Posted by: whig at July 08, 2024 11:22 AM (nJXKb)

120 9 Why it’s almost as if the government is incompetent at everything they do.

I don’t think incompetence is the only explanation.
Leftists love playing dictator. This population goes here. That one goes there. This population lives. That one dies.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 08, 2024 11:22 AM (jbnUc)

121 112 That's when I get active. Especially after volunteering at a raptor rehab center.

god's work, that is. there's nothing worse than tweaking raptors.

Posted by: anachronda at July 08, 2024 11:22 AM (sGtp+)

122 I think Joe's dog has been exiled

Posted by: Don Black at July 08, 2024 11:22 AM (/7KEl)

123 I'm from the Government and I'm here to help...

Posted by: actually inside the beltway at July 08, 2024 11:22 AM (ntk8v)

124 “MSNBC Host Lawrence O’Donnell Calls For Biden Aides To Be Allowed On Stage With Him At Next Debate”

This can’t be real.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 08, 2024 11:23 AM (3cb+Z)

125 Omg. Where us video of that?
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at July 08, 2024 11:18 AM (OiAR7)

It was in my you tube feed this morning. It was titled "Yes, Biden just did that!" He kept looking into the congregation for help, pointing to himself and looking lost. It was horrible. I'm sure that won't be on MSDNC.

Posted by: Megthered at July 08, 2024 11:23 AM (W1XW9)

126 72 Saw a video of Biden at the black church, looking like a husk with his mouth agape. He took the money for the collection plate, obviously not knowing why he had it, and folded it up and put it in his pocket. I guess he even takes his 10% from the church.
Posted by: Megthered at Jul

Omg. Where us video of that?
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at July 08, 2024 11:18 AM (OiAR7)

Here.

https://tinyurl.com/29m5bfsj

Posted by: Dr. T at July 08, 2024 11:23 AM (jGGMD)

127 We have an effect, lets find a cause, stat!

Wait, it appears we've an incorrect cause, find another!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 08, 2024 11:23 AM (tT6L1)

128 How many pest rodents will live if you kill half a million owls? Math is fun.

Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at July 08, 2024 11:23 AM (Z8Yh2)

129 FFS man, an owl's an owl

feathers, they fly, catch rabbits, wtf

let it go

Posted by: Don Black at July 08, 2024 11:23 AM (/7KEl)

130 103 MSNBC Host Lawrence O’Donnell Calls For Biden Aides To Be Allowed On Stage With Him At Next Debate

Says they should be given microphones and allowed to talk for him

Posted by: SMOD at July 08, 2024 11:20 AM (RHGPo)

This has a vib of O'Donnell trying to sabotage Biden.

Posted by: WisRich at July 08, 2024 11:23 AM (G0vdT)

131 Early efforts to save the birds culminated in logging bans in the 1990s that roiled the timber industry and its political supporters in Congress.

Similar to how the enviros want to take out the dams on the Snake and the Columbia to "bring back the salmon".

Hint: if the dams are taken out, the salmon won't come back, and the enviros won't suffer the slightest consequences for being completely wrong.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at July 08, 2024 11:23 AM (uxCna)

132 All Biden has to do is show up. He's got the votes from the primary. Unless they go to the convention and completely rewrite the rules, which they may do in the name of Democracy. Not sure if that's even legal.

Posted by: Ribbed at July 08, 2024 11:23 AM (Ectld)

133 Supposebly, Mao or somebody like that in the 60s started a campaign to kill some certain bird species. With shovels, the populace set out to do a good job. Your civic duty as it were.

It worked, so the story goes. Really well. Some sort of locust or something like that, some insect formerly eaten by this bird species, the population exploded. The next years were marked by wide scale famine in some areas as the insects consumed all the crops.

Posted by: Common Tater at July 08, 2024 11:24 AM (gRkj7)

134 a solution in search of a problem

government, explained

Posted by: Don Black at July 08, 2024 11:24 AM (/7KEl)

135 Question two: are they seriously expecting the shooter to tell the difference at 50 yards, which is the best range they can hope for?

Pay a $5 bounty for each barred owl shot and impose a $500 fine for each spotted owl shot. See how many people are willing to take the job.

Posted by: Oddbob at July 08, 2024 11:24 AM (/y8xj)

136 Best part about Biden remaining the nominee would be watching all the MSM drones having to do their duty and cover and lie and promote the Dem candidate, no matter that he is obviously a zombie and they have already admitted it.

Posted by: Ripley at July 08, 2024 11:24 AM (GUOwU)

137 From which I conclude that Lawrence O'Donnell is feeling ignored and irrelevant, and wants some attention.
Posted by: Archimedes
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I would watch a Biden presidency based West Wing parody. The sheer stupidity, lying, deviancy, maliciousness, and over the top grasping incompetent evil Dems in office would be a dark comedy of the first order.

Posted by: whig at July 08, 2024 11:24 AM (nJXKb)

138 only the strong survive

Posted by: Rick in SK at July 08, 2024 11:24 AM (fC9nH)

139 Fun owl-related fact:

The voice of Owl in the original Disney Winnie-the-Pooh cartoons was provided by Hal Smith, who had previously played Otis Campbell, the town drunk, on the Andy Griffith Show.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 08, 2024 11:24 AM (v6JzV)

140 Spotted Owls must have $$$ and lobbyists behind them. Always get good press and consistently for 40+ years. Like the gay lobby.

Posted by: It's All A Scam! at July 08, 2024 11:24 AM (V5BDR)

141 Here.

https://tinyurl.com/29m5bfsj
Posted by: Dr. T at July 08, 2024 11:23 AM (jGGMD)
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Wow. He has no clue what is happening around him.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at July 08, 2024 11:25 AM (7fElN)

142 Similar to how the enviros want to take out the dams on the Snake and the Columbia to "bring back the salmon".

Hint: if the dams are taken out, the salmon won't come back, and the enviros won't suffer the slightest consequences for being completely wrong.
Posted by: The ARC of History!
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Unfortunately environmentalists probably make poor fish food to bring back the salmon.

Posted by: whig at July 08, 2024 11:25 AM (nJXKb)

143 As soon as we reach the exactly correct proportion of barred owls to spotted owls, Utopia will have been achieved and we will return to our regular programming.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43)

Then they'll shoot just one owl of each species at regular intervals to maintain equilibrium.

Environmentalism.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at July 08, 2024 11:25 AM (hCzfy)

144 Mao or somebody like that in the 60s started a campaign to kill some certain bird species. With shovels, the populace set out to do a good job. Your civic duty as it were.

It worked, so the story goes. Really well. Some sort of locust or something like that, some insect formerly eaten by this bird species, the population exploded. The next years were marked by wide scale famine in some areas as the insects consumed all the crops.
Posted by: Common Tater at July 08, 2024 11:24 AM (gRkj7)

It was Mao and the bird was the sparrow.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 08, 2024 11:25 AM (3cb+Z)

145 I do hate some of the invasive species of plants here, often introduced by government, like multiflora rose. The bad one now is bush honeysuckle, which outcompetes almost everything in the woods around here. The big trees are still there, but it is harder for anything to grow under the big tree canopy after the bush honeysuckle takes up all remaining light.

But killing off these owls seems dumb, as is well documented by Buck Throckmorton. All owls have a safe space around my woods. Hate has no home here (except hate for too many raccoons) ... heh.
Posted by: illiniwek

*Kudzu has entered the chat.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2024 11:25 AM (PrOMo)

146 The government is the Elmer Fudd of Wiley Coyotes.

Posted by: Eromero at July 08, 2024 11:26 AM (o2ZRX)

147 I strongly urge the Democrats to simply acknowledge reality and publicly replace Joe with Jill as the the Democrat presidential candidate.

Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at July 08, 2024 11:26 AM (RUmyk)

148 If these owls were crosing the southern border, would they advocate the same solution? It has a certain appeal.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 08, 2024 11:26 AM (XeU6L)

149 All Biden has to do is show up. He's got the votes from the primary. Unless they go to the convention and completely rewrite the rules, which they may do in the name of Democracy. Not sure if that's even legal.

Pfffffftttt, hahahahaha, getta load of this guy!

Posted by: DNC megadonors at July 08, 2024 11:26 AM (xCA6C)

150 History shows again and again how nature points out the folly of man.

Posted by: BOC at July 08, 2024 11:26 AM (xdrSQ)

151 *crossing

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 08, 2024 11:26 AM (XeU6L)

152 Unfortunately environmentalists probably make poor fish food to bring back the salmon.
Posted by: whig

Can't hurt to try.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2024 11:26 AM (PrOMo)

153 To be fair, Mao was really, truly a dumbshit.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 08, 2024 11:27 AM (jdHxK)

154 Have portly Cap'n Bill and David French acknowledged Biden's dementia?

Posted by: Northernlurker , wondering where his phone is at July 08, 2024 11:27 AM (JLq/1)

155 Here.

https://tinyurl.com/29m5bfsj
Posted by: Dr. T at July 08, 2024 11:23 AM (jGGMD)

Man, he looks like a Mormon in a whorehouse.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 08, 2024 11:27 AM (KbKv0)

156 Can we apply the same procedure for illegal aliens flooding our borders?

Posted by: Cosda at July 08, 2024 11:27 AM (TO2BB)

157 98 There is a niche in the forest environment marked "owl". I really don't care which owl fills it. But killing half a million barred owls in the hope that spotted owls will go on a breeding orgy to fill the vacant niche seems...unwise.

will no one think of the niche pronhub channels?

Posted by: anachronda at July 08, 2024 11:27 AM (sGtp+)

158 Who thinks this is a bad idea?

Posted by: Minnfidel at July 08, 2024 11:27 AM (4p0Xq)

159 Acme Environmental Services

Posted by: Ribbed at July 08, 2024 11:27 AM (Ectld)

160 The government is the Elmer Fudd of Wiley Coyotes.
Posted by: Eromero at July 08, 2024 11:26 AM (o2ZRX)

It's actually "Wile E. Coyote."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 08, 2024 11:27 AM (Q0kLU)

161 I always love how the people and groups that claim to love nature refuse to allow nature to exist.

I know nature is unchanging and constant, but these birds are trying to go extinct. They don't mean to, but it doesn't matter. Survival of the fittest and all that.

But humans insist that they suffer and their offspring fail and die.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - if you can't pick your adjectives, how can you pick your pronouns? at July 08, 2024 11:28 AM (62dOU)

162 @DNC Megadonors, 149

It will matter if he starts suing them and blocks the entire process. They've only got three months.

Posted by: Ribbed at July 08, 2024 11:28 AM (Ectld)

163
animals species have been displacing other animal species for eons

It's Owl vs. Owl in the Naked Forest!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 08, 2024 11:28 AM (63Dwl)

164 To be fair, Mao was really, truly a dumbshit.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 08, 2024 11:27 AM (jdHxK)
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Back yard iron forging for the win!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 08, 2024 11:28 AM (tT6L1)

165 The obvious solution is to nuke the forests.

Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at July 08, 2024 11:28 AM (RUmyk)

166 forgot the "Super Genius" part

Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at July 08, 2024 11:29 AM (Z8Yh2)

167 All Shih Tzu dogs in the world descend from about 15 dogs that left China 1928-40. Mao had every Shih Tzu in the country killed, as they were associated with the wealthy. USA is just playing catch-up.

Posted by: Little Red Book at July 08, 2024 11:29 AM (V5BDR)

168 It's actually "Wile E. Coyote."
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing

"Super Genius"

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 08, 2024 11:29 AM (v6JzV)

169 CAPRADIO, To save spotted owls, US officials plan to kill hundreds of thousands of another owl species
Friday, July 5, 2024 | Sacramento, CA

In part, "Because barred owls are aggressive hunters, removing them also could help other West Coast species that they've been preying on such as salamanders and crayfish, said Tom Wheeler, director of the Environmental Protection Information Center, a California-based conservation group.

Public hunting of barred owls wouldn't be allowed. The wildlife service would designate government agencies, landowners, American Indian tribes or companies to carry out the killings. Shooters would have to provide documentation of training or experience in owl identification and firearm skills.

The publishing in the coming days of a final environmental study on the proposal will open a 30-day comment period before a final decision is made."
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Sounds a bit like DIE and nepotism, like most government programs. Anyway...

So get on the Federal Register within the 30 day comment period and register comments regarding this proposal by the The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at July 08, 2024 11:29 AM (NFX2v)

170 STAY STRONG, JOE!

THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT WEEK OF YOUR LIFE!

REMEMBER, IF YOU REFUSE TO LEAVE, THEY CAN'T MAKE YOU LEAVE!

/SNORT/

Posted by: Hunter Biden, Trusted Advisor! at July 08, 2024 11:29 AM (uxCna)

171 Tumble weed or Russian thistle is not native to the US. Nor is Tamarisk. You'll see that all over the West.

Pheasant are not native to America either. Lots of critters are causing trouble. Chestnuts and Elms are practically extinct in the US because of invasive species.

Posted by: Common Tater at July 08, 2024 11:29 AM (gRkj7)

172 Like the lesson story of bringing in snakes to kill the mice and then mongoose to kill the snakes and then elephants to get rid of the mongoose and then mice to scare off the elephants.

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2024 11:29 AM (SHMXB)

173 yeah Mao was a dick, no question

Posted by: Don Black at July 08, 2024 11:29 AM (/7KEl)

174 Look, I mean,, the, the uh you know after when, when I uh, when after the other thing I was doing, it uh, I it...

Posted by: I'm joe biden and I approve this message! at July 08, 2024 11:30 AM (5hfjS)

175 I always love how the people and groups that claim to love nature refuse to allow nature to exist.

I know nature is unchanging and constant, but these birds are trying to go extinct. They don't mean to, but it doesn't matter. Survival of the fittest and all that.

But humans insist that they suffer and their offspring fail and die.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - if you can't pick your adjectives, how can you pick your pronouns? at July 08, 2024 11:28 AM

We have been "managing" the wildlife population in Yosemite national park for over 100 years and we are still constantly fvcking things up there.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at July 08, 2024 11:30 AM (QNSds)

176 160 The government is the Elmer Fudd of Wiley Coyotes.
Posted by: Eromero at July 08, 2024 11:26 AM (o2ZRX)

It's actually "Wile E. Coyote."
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 08, 2024 11:27 AM (Q0kLU
Lordy, I didn't readed the cartoon credits.

Posted by: Eromero at July 08, 2024 11:30 AM (o2ZRX)

177 Somewhere there's a group of people masturbating like crazy at the thought of killing half a million.... people.

For starters.

Some of those people are the same ones who think killing off half a million owls will somehow save a few dozen other owls. If they get their wish with that it's a short walk to the other one.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 08, 2024 11:30 AM (Q4IgG)

178 Which is why Ike, while watching the Checkers speech, snapped a pencil in frustration when Nixon called for all the candidates to open their books for financial auditing - not only did Ike have a slush fund, there was a lot of hinky stuff surrounding the advances and royalties of his book about WW2.

Not for nothing did Nixon call Ike "The most devious man I ever knew."
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing
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Yep, Ike also never forgave nor forgot and shafted Nixon in 1960 as a result.

I have never been as enamoured of Ike as a person nor as a general as a lot of other people have. Fred Greenstein got it right with the "Hidden Hand" presidency.

Patton, however, saw right through Ike but was so desperate for combat that he accepted humiliation after humiliation from his 'best buddy' and Ike's entourage like Bedell Smith.

Patton noted Ike working a crowd of soldiers midwar and in an aside to an aide, told the aide Ike was going to run for the presidency.

Posted by: whig at July 08, 2024 11:31 AM (nJXKb)

179 Like the lesson story of bringing in snakes to kill the mice and then mongoose to kill the snakes and then elephants to get rid of the mongoose and then mice to scare off the elephants.
Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2024 11:29 AM (SHMXB)

Hey, where do we fit in?

Posted by: Imported Rabbits in Australia at July 08, 2024 11:31 AM (jdHxK)

180 What is needed is gain of function pythons to eat the owls.

Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at July 08, 2024 11:31 AM (RUmyk)

181 To be fair, Mao was really, truly a dumbshit.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 08, 2024 11:27 AM (jdHxK)

And a green toothed pedo rapist.

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2024 11:31 AM (SHMXB)

182 Two well-connected Democrat advisers are reportedly shopping a plan to replace President Joe Biden on the 2024 ticket through a “blitz primary” process before the party’s August convention.

— Biden stepping down as the Democrat nominee in mid-July, announcing the new system, with support from Vice President Kamala Harris;
— potential candidates having a “few days” to throw their hats in the ring;
— the Democrat Party beginning a primary “sprint” in which the six candidates with the most votes from delegates pledge to run “positive-only campaigns” in the month leading up to the convention;
— weekly forums with each candidate moderated by “cultural icons” such as Michelle Obama, Oprah, and Taylor Swift in order to engage voters;
— the nominee being chosen by delegates before the start of the Chicago convention on Aug. 19 and being announced “with plenty of fanfare on the third day of the gathering”;
— the nominee being unveiled on stage with Biden, Barack Obama, and Bill Clinton; and
— Biden being celebrated as a “modern-day George Washington.”

Posted by: SMOD at July 08, 2024 11:32 AM (RHGPo)

183 Hey, where do we fit in?
Posted by: Imported Rabbits in Australia at July 08, 2024 11:31 AM (jdHxK)

Hasenpfeffer?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 08, 2024 11:32 AM (KbKv0)

184 Our "opponents" have no trouble killing babies. Owls are barely an inconvenience.

Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at July 08, 2024 11:32 AM (Z8Yh2)

185 Have refrained from using this over the last few weeks. This is a good story for it. Textbook insane. Enviro kooks are all insane. Windfarms will save the planet. How did that work out for birds and whales. Coral reefs are disappearing, the great barrier reef has actually grown. The Maldives will disappear, what they haven't! Insanity and it's taught to our children every day they are in school.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at July 08, 2024 11:32 AM (2NHgQ)

186 Leftists only know how to destroy

Posted by: Skip at July 08, 2024 11:32 AM (gSUmr)

187 Barred owl probably hunts just fine in dense forest.

Spotted owl may nest in trees but hunts in open areas.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 08, 2024 11:33 AM (6TUIG)

188 'Tis Monday. I know, grr, ugh, Monday. But look at it this way. When you're still on the upper side of the ground, even a bad Monday is pretty small kumquats, nicht wahr?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024
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I guess you missed the Art Thread this morning.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 08, 2024

***
No, I chimed in. Again, compared to a dirt nap, The Death of Don Juan as depicted by Mario Prassinos is a mere flick of a gnat's wing.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024 11:33 AM (J2vNu)

189 "Early efforts to save the birds culminated in logging bans in the 1990s that roiled the timber industry and its political supporters in Congress."

************

That's the strategy of the left, as applied to the timber industry. Destroy an industry or state, watch all the productive people in that industry or state leave, and then it is much easier to control that area for a considerable amount of time.

Never mind the poverty and misery that accompanies this. Gotta break some eggs to make that omelet.

Posted by: Sasquatch, the Original Trans-Wookie at July 08, 2024 11:33 AM (sjfNX)

190 Chestnuts and Elms are practically extinct in the US because of invasive species.
Posted by: Common Tater
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In the case of Chestnuts and Elms, it is because of invasive diseases that killed them off more than other species. Chestnut Blight and Dutch Elm disease.

Posted by: whig at July 08, 2024 11:33 AM (nJXKb)

191 It's not democracy if you just make it up to get the solution you want.

I don't understand why they didn't know how bad Biden was and suddenly care. These are the people beating us in this nation.

Posted by: Ribbed at July 08, 2024 11:33 AM (B0mGw)

192 Impeachment is the easiest way of outing Biden. But that requires a "high crime or misdemeanor" - the Dems don't have any they want to admit to, b/c it would open up a can of worms for Repubs to go after everyone.

And Rs will NEVER bring the impeachment vote until they have every D signed off on voting for it b/c they won't bring more members than they have to do so. After the ugliness of the Biden Cabinet member votes and the Senate's refusal to do anything with them, Rs are correctly sitting back, for once in power, saying "not my problem"...we'll see how this summer continues to go.

I do expect a Constitutional amendment being passed in 10 years limiting a president (and VP) to no more than 80 years old...possibly even no more than 75. It's the cleanest and clearest way to handle this issue in the future, b/c the 25th obviously did not get it done (and cognitive testing would get too political)...

Posted by: Nova Local at July 08, 2024 11:33 AM (exHjb)

193 That’s a heap of owls. Feed em to the homeless, le chusa especiale. Waste not want not.

Posted by: Eromero at July 08, 2024 11:33 AM (o2ZRX)

194 Don't they have "Owl Viagra" ?

Posted by: SMOD at July 08, 2024 11:33 AM (RHGPo)

195 Mao had every Shih Tzu in the country killed

—

Go on…

Posted by: Every Police Department at July 08, 2024 11:33 AM (3cb+Z)

196 Alec Baldwin trial update. He still hasn't choked anybody. Yet. Still time.

Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at July 08, 2024 11:33 AM (RUmyk)

197 Hey, where do we fit in?
Posted by: Imported Rabbits in Australia at July 08, 2024 11:31 AM (jdHxK)

Hasenpfeffer?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 08, 2024

***
Welsh rarebit?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024 11:34 AM (J2vNu)

198
MSNBC Host Lawrence O’Donnell Calls For Biden Aides To Be Allowed On Stage With Him At Next Debate

Says they should be given microphones and allowed to talk for him

Kind of like a Geek Chorus.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 08, 2024 11:34 AM (63Dwl)

199 Invasive species of plants and animals is a concern.

Not of people, though. Oddly.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at July 08, 2024 11:34 AM (iRX3h)

200 We have been "managing" the wildlife population in Yosemite national park for over 100 years and we are still constantly fvcking things up there.
Posted by: Mister Scott

-

NC has been trying to grow wolves in the wild for as long as I can remember but the selfish little bastards keep working towards their offspring's genetic benefit and mating with coyotes and then the wolves disappear.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - like Magic Johnson always said - Stay positive! at July 08, 2024 11:34 AM (PvlNq)

201 Remember the tiny Pygmy Owl that was found in the Rockefeller Plaza Christmas tree last year? They named it "Rocky," and with great fanfare shipped it back out west somewhere & released it.

It was a Xmas feel good story.

500000?

Posted by: mnw at July 08, 2024 11:34 AM (NLIak)

202 Posted by: whig at July 08, 2024 11:31 AM (nJXKb)

My dislike of Ike came from him allowing Stalin to make him a stooge when he stood there for a long time in Red Square while Stalin showcased his military might.

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2024 11:35 AM (SHMXB)

203 Alec Baldwin trial update. He still hasn't choked anybody. Yet. Still time.
Posted by: Altaria Pilgram

Has he called anyone a fat pig yet?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 08, 2024 11:35 AM (v6JzV)

204 So, a 'Mini Primary', kinda.

A Fun Size Primary!! I can't wait.

Posted by: Common Tater at July 08, 2024 11:35 AM (gRkj7)

205 >>> or via Canada’s boreal forests, which have become more hospitable as temperatures rise because of climate change.

Change that ended the last ice age!

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at July 08, 2024 11:35 AM (6TUIG)

206 The environmentalists’ claims rested on the argument that the northern spotted owl, strix caurina occidentalis ....
--
linneus
This may seem pedantic but actually goes to show that the person(s) writing this are not Biologists (we should ask for the definition of a woman).

Strix caurina occidentalis - The uppercase S is mandatory in Biological nomenclature.

Posted by: Zombie Carl Linnaeus at July 08, 2024 11:35 AM (qfLjt)

207 Invasive species have been a thing for billions of years. It’s such hubris for these people to think they can stop the course of nature.

Se also “global warming”.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 08, 2024 11:35 AM (3cb+Z)

208 That's the strategy of the left, as applied to the timber industry. Destroy an industry or state, watch all the productive people in that industry or state leave, and then it is much easier to control that area for a considerable amount of time.

Never mind the poverty and misery that accompanies this. Gotta break some eggs to make that omelet.
Posted by: Sasquatch
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They are funded primarily by wealth oligarchic feudalists that are quite happy with the rest of humanity being impoverished serfs begging for a cup of gruel. Eventually all of these organizations end up sucking the public teat directly or indirectly.

Eliminate the funding and you kill the movement.

Posted by: whig at July 08, 2024 11:35 AM (nJXKb)

209 MSNBC Host Lawrence O’Donnell Calls For Biden Aides To Be Allowed On Stage With Him At Next Debate

Says they should be given microphones and allowed to talk for him

-

After RBG ironmanned her way to death it's how the SCOTUS apparently works.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - like Magic Johnson always said - Stay positive! at July 08, 2024 11:35 AM (PvlNq)

210 To be fair, Mao was really, truly a dumbshit.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 08, 2024 11:27 AM (jdHxK)

The man didn't so much govern as talk in abstract cliches and then see how he could implement them.

After the Great Leap Forward, even his own inner circle never let him have totally free rein again.

Posted by: Dr. T at July 08, 2024 11:36 AM (jGGMD)

211 Tried to watch The Office. OMG it was horrible. Made it 6 episodes in.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2024 11:20 AM (PrOMo)

Yeah, I couldn't get into that, either.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at July 08, 2024 11:36 AM (T+Iwg)

212 It was a Xmas feel good story.

500000?
Posted by: mnw at July 08, 2024 11:34 AM (NLIak)

Moar, please.

Posted by: some hawk out west at July 08, 2024 11:36 AM (KbKv0)

213 @GarrettHerrin
NEW polls from @EmersonPolling for http://DemNextGen.com

Nevada Trump 47% Biden 41%

Pennsylvania Trump 48% Biden 43%

Georgia Trump 47% Biden 42%

Arizona Trump 46% Biden 42%

Wisconsin Trump 47% Biden 44%

Michigan Trump 45% Biden 44%

Combined with his Morning Joe appearance saying he's staying in, and the growing coup within senior Dem ranks...this could be a great election cycle lol

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at July 08, 2024 11:36 AM (JCZqz)

214 Earthworms, dandelions, horses, and bumblebees are all imports to North America. The environment is not near as fragile as some people think. Nature adapts and will continue to adapt to people and climate change and there is little we will be able to do about it. The earth will be here long after mankind is extinct.

Posted by: Cosda at July 08, 2024 11:36 AM (TO2BB)

215 Blago status achieved.

Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at July 08, 2024 11:36 AM (Z8Yh2)

216 Nooooo! Owlbert is a Barred Owl. Let me tell y’all something, he is hard to see in trees until he makes himself known. These are smart creatures. He figured out how to manipulate me in a few days!

Ugh. I hate people.

Posted by: Piper at July 08, 2024 11:36 AM (p4NUW)

217 "They are funded primarily by wealth oligarchic feudalists that are quite happy with the rest of humanity being impoverished serfs begging for a cup of gruel."

This is why I don't get too worked up when Democrats talk about seizing the billionaires' money. Do it.

Posted by: Ribbed at July 08, 2024 11:37 AM (B0mGw)

218 So wait, one subspecies of owls is out competing another and "we have to do something!"

Isn't this evolution in action?

Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2024 11:37 AM (oZhjI)

219 Remember the tiny Pygmy Owl that was found in the Rockefeller Plaza Christmas tree last year? They named it "Rocky," and with great fanfare shipped it back out west somewhere & released it.

-

(lays $100 on table)

That owl was dead in six months from being forcibly removed from its known habitat and hunting habits.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - like Magic Johnson always said - Stay positive! at July 08, 2024 11:37 AM (PvlNq)

220 1. I very highly doubt the "Northern Spotted Owl" is actually in any danger of going extinct. I've heard this extinction talk so many times over the decades, applied to so many different species, and it's always slimy bullshit to try to shove a leftwing agenda down our throats.

2. I very highly doubt there is an actual species identifiable as a "Northern Spotted Owl." It's almost surely a regular Spotted Owl that just happens to be found in certain locations. So what if they do extinct there? There are other places in which they thrive.

Posted by: Elric Blade at July 08, 2024 11:37 AM (iFTx/)

221 Joe Biden's Rasputin Issues Warning to His Democratic Detractors in Congress

"Any weakening of resolve or lack of clarity about the task ahead only helps Trump and hurts us. It is time to come together, move forward as a unified party, and defeat Donald Trump," Biden's handler wrote.

Posted by: Don Black at July 08, 2024 11:37 AM (/7KEl)

222 My dislike of Ike came from him allowing Stalin to make him a stooge when he stood there for a long time in Red Square while Stalin showcased his military might.
Posted by: polynikes
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I've read enough of WWII and post war history to realize the public Ike was very different than the private Ike. Ironically for Nixon his public persona was had a far worse rep than his private one.

Posted by: whig at July 08, 2024 11:37 AM (nJXKb)

223 Re: fat pig

I watched some highlights of 2016 RNC debates. YouTube fed it to me. One of the clips was trunp being accused of calling women fat pigs and he goes no only Rosie O’Donnell.

😂

2016 debates Trump was awesome.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 08, 2024 11:37 AM (3cb+Z)

224 I have never been as enamoured of Ike as a person nor as a general as a lot of other people have. Fred Greenstein got it right with the "Hidden Hand" presidency.

I've read quite a few Ike bios and ancillary books. I'm not interested in military history, so his war conduct doesn't concern me, in so far as it at least made him very leery of putting troops into combat during his administration.

As a president, though, he was IMO a great deal better than his critics (like the asswipe cartoonist Herblock and the lefty jester Walt Kelly) ever gave him credit for. He certainly was better than Stevenson would have been.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 08, 2024 11:38 AM (Q0kLU)

225 Alec Baldwin trial update. He still hasn't choked anybody. Yet. Still time.
Posted by: Altaria Pilgram

Has he called anyone a fat pig yet?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

Not out loud. Even though I can't read his mind I have to conclude yes he has. Multiple times.

Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at July 08, 2024 11:38 AM (RUmyk)

226 MSNBC Host Lawrence O’Donnell Calls For Biden Aides To Be Allowed On Stage With Him At Next Debate

Lawrence O'Donnell watching the debate: STOP THE HAMMERING

Posted by: 18-1 at July 08, 2024 11:38 AM (oZhjI)

227 @GarrettHerrin
NEW polls from @EmersonPolling for http://DemNextGen.com

It's starting to look like goodest isn't going to be good enough. The question is, how much gooderer can Biden really get?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at July 08, 2024 11:38 AM (jdHxK)

228 Office got much better in season 2. Then got shitty season 6ish. Seasons 2-5 is some great TV.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 08, 2024 11:38 AM (3cb+Z)

229 Rob Reiner Calls on Joe Biden to Step Down:
“It’s Time to Stop F***ing Around”

.. The Meathead was always big into free speech for anybody who agreed with him

Posted by: SMOD at July 08, 2024 11:39 AM (RHGPo)

230 I do expect a Constitutional amendment being passed in 10 years limiting a president (and VP) to no more than 80 years old...possibly even no more than 75. It's the cleanest and clearest way to handle this issue in the future, b/c the 25th obviously did not get it done (and cognitive testing would get too political)...
Posted by: Nova Local

61. Same age as a commercial pilot. If you are too feeble to handle a plane that flies itself, you are too feeble to pilot the country.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2024 11:39 AM (PrOMo)

231 We all love how you & Owlbert bonded.

I'm guessing the owl massacre won't happen if the public hears about it beforehand.

Posted by: mnw at July 08, 2024 11:39 AM (NLIak)

232 Two well-connected Democrat advisers are reportedly shopping a plan to replace President Joe Biden on the 2024 ticket through a “blitz primary” process before the party’s August convention.

My Precious, My Precious...

Posted by: Gavin Newsom, Lying In Wait! at July 08, 2024 11:39 AM (uxCna)

233 This is why I don't get too worked up when Democrats talk about seizing the billionaires' money. Do it.
Posted by: Ribbed
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Yep. Unfortunately it is the GOPe mission in life to prevent someone like Bezos from paying taxes which would hinder his ability to send money to groups that will destroy and impoverish us.

Posted by: whig at July 08, 2024 11:39 AM (nJXKb)

234 193 That’s a heap of owls. Feed em to the homeless, le chusa especiale. Waste not want not.
Posted by: Eromero at

This is not funny. *hands on hips. Glaring. Stomps foot*

Posted by: Piper at July 08, 2024 11:39 AM (p4NUW)

235 "*Kudzu has entered the chat." Posted by: rickb223

yeah, we don't have kudzu or wild pig problems up here.

Posted by: illiniwek at July 08, 2024 11:39 AM (Cus5s)

236 Is there a way to enrich ourselves with this damn owl slaughter? Do we need more missiles?

Posted by: GOP at July 08, 2024 11:39 AM (/U5Yz)

237 228 Office got much better in season 2. Then got shitty season 6ish. Seasons 2-5 is some great TV.
Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 08, 2024 11:38 AM (3cb+Z)

Yeah, ya gotta push through the awkwardness of season 1. It can get really awkward.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at July 08, 2024 11:39 AM (iSfV4)

238 Good point. Notice ole Joey cancelled a natural gas pipeline as the first order of business upon taking office.

How come there's no requirement for a 6 month study on how many humans will be impacted, how many will have their careers ruined? Just a snide "Learn to Code" from our betters in the "news".

Did anybody get to vote on any of this? Fuck no. I always like it when my lefty friends say "You can't do that, they are public lands!", my reply is "What if the public wants to mine and log the shit out of it. What then?" They'll drop their martini.

Illustrating the point what they mean by "public" is all I'm trying to do there. They mean "under their control" when they say "public".

Posted by: Common Tater at July 08, 2024 11:40 AM (gRkj7)

239 Got the generator fired up and online here at Casa New Dawn.

If utility power isn't restored by noon, I'll wrassle the window unit AC down from the attic, and plonk it into a living room window, seal it up and plug it in, and chill.

One fence blown down, here. I was planning to replace it, but now I have to do it.... sooner than I'd hoped.

Good news? The antenna tower didn't suffer a single glitch or twitch.

Gusts here down to the 30mph range, average over the past 10 minutes, is 14 mph.

Streets are flooded, but water is only halfway up the driveway, and already receding.

Temp, 83, 79% RH., Baro 29.62. UP, two 1/100ths in the past hour. IOW, the worst, has passed.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at July 08, 2024 11:40 AM (kQgoX)

240 The voice of Owl in the original Disney Winnie-the-Pooh cartoons was provided by Hal Smith, who had previously played Otis Campbell, the town drunk, on the Andy Griffith Show.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 08, 2024

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At the Christian radio station where I worked from '88 to '97, we played Focus on the Family's kid-oriented radio show Adventures in Odyssey. The lead uncle/grandpa in the series was "Whit," played by Hal Smith. The writers inserted little "Andy of Mayberry" jokes into the scripts regarding Whit; if you were alert (and some ways over 29), you caught them.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024 11:40 AM (J2vNu)

241 *Russian Thistle has entered the chat

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2024 11:41 AM (/U5Yz)

242 MSNBC Host Lawrence O’Donnell Calls For Biden Aides To Be Allowed On Stage With Him At Next Debate

Someone off set needs to start pounding on something.

Posted by: Minnfidel at July 08, 2024 11:41 AM (4p0Xq)

243 National polls show Trump up 6 but he’s only up 1-5 in swing states. That doesn’t make sense. Swing states were really close in 2020 while Biden won by 4% nationally. If Trump is up 6% nationally he should be up 10% in swing states.

The math isn’t mathing as the kids say.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 08, 2024 11:41 AM (3cb+Z)

244 230 I do expect a Constitutional amendment being passed in 10 years limiting a president (and VP) to no more than 80 years old...possibly even no more than 75. It's the cleanest and clearest way to handle this issue in the future, b/c the 25th obviously did not get it done (and cognitive testing would get too political)...
Posted by: Nova Local

61. Same age as a commercial pilot. If you are too feeble to handle a plane that flies itself, you are too feeble to pilot the country.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2024 11:39 AM (PrOMo)

61 is a little low. I mean, it does take more health-wise to fly a plane than sit and read scripts and sign papers.

I'd drop it to SS age (so 67 now, right), but again, you want the amendment to pass...and anything younger than 75 would be a stretch...

Posted by: Nova Local at July 08, 2024 11:41 AM (exHjb)

245 I don't remember the Office but I am fond of it simply because it was the last of the age where Americans would watch things on TV and be able to discuss them together. We've lost that with our insane media specialization.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - like Magic Johnson always said - Stay positive! at July 08, 2024 11:42 AM (PvlNq)

246 Species develop and go extinct -- especially in certain specific locations -- all the time all over the globe. Why are we interfering with this?

I do believe certain animals should be protected from human poaching and hunting, as that is not a normal natural phenomena. The big African animals come to mind. If they weren't protected, hunters would hunt them all to actual extinction in a decade or less.

Same as in certain protected areas. In my recent trip to the Galapagos, it's teeming with wildlife not found anywhere else. And the wildlife is all dumb as shit. They have no fear of man. They walk (or fly or waddle or swim) right up to humans. Literally. If hunting or animal capture were allowed there, it would wipe out very rare populations that aren't prepared for contact with predatory humans.

Posted by: Elric Blade at July 08, 2024 11:42 AM (iFTx/)

247 Office got much better in season 2. Then got shitty season 6ish. Seasons 2-5 is some great TV.
Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 08, 2024 11:38 AM (3cb+Z)

Yeah, ya gotta push through the awkwardness of season 1. It can get really awkward.
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at July 08, 2024 11:39 AM (iSfV4)

I think they were trying to mimic as much as possible the British version.

It's been a while since I've seen either, but I seem to recall they were following the story line pretty closely.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2024 11:42 AM (dGCAG)

248 Russian Thistle has entered the chat
Posted by: Maj. Healey

I've always thought it ironic that the tumbleweed, that iconic symbol of the American West, came from Russia.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 08, 2024 11:42 AM (v6JzV)

249 if the gov't will give me a grant of $2 million i will do a study to determine what kind of mice the spotted owl prefers and what kind of mice the barred owl prefers. once we determine that we can let millions of the barred owls' preferred mice coated with poison out into the forests and -zing- problem solved and a possible ignobel prize for me.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at July 08, 2024 11:42 AM (CWTWj)

250 Tried to watch The Office. OMG it was horrible. Made it 6 episodes in.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2024
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Yeah, I couldn't get into that, either.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at July 08, 2024

***
I hated the way they made Steve Carell's character, the office manager, into a clueless buffoon. (Disclosure: I am an office manager)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024 11:42 AM (J2vNu)

251 Jim, thank you for the report.

Posted by: Ben Had at July 08, 2024 11:42 AM (5MvGY)

252 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 08, 2024 11:38 AM (Q0kLU

Don’t disagree at all . That has been default situation more often than not for all of my preferred Presidents.

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2024 11:42 AM (SHMXB)

253 239 glad things are relatively okay with this storm Jim!

Posted by: Piper at July 08, 2024 11:43 AM (p4NUW)

254 227

perfectest

Posted by: mnw at July 08, 2024 11:43 AM (NLIak)

255 I think they were trying to mimic as much as possible the British version.

It's been a while since I've seen either, but I seem to recall they were following the story line pretty closely.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2024 11:42 AM (dGCAG)

For season 1, I mean.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2024 11:43 AM (dGCAG)

256 What is needed is gain of function pythons to eat the owls.

Where should we forward your $50M grant?

Posted by: A. Fauci at July 08, 2024 11:43 AM (/y8xj)

257 As a president, though, he was IMO a great deal better than his critics (like the asswipe cartoonist Herblock and the lefty jester Walt Kelly) ever gave him credit for. He certainly was better than Stevenson would have been.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing
=======
Ike was there to create the uniparty and end the war in Korea. He did that and a few other things but he made a lot of mistakes including the Suez and Hungary crises,the idiotic U2 incident, and refusing to aid Nixon in beating Kennedy because of personal pique. His court appointments were by and large disastrous including Earl Warren. He also set the stage for the national security state with the Dulles brothers being given a free hand.

I rate him as a mediocre president.

Posted by: whig at July 08, 2024 11:43 AM (nJXKb)

258 I very highly doubt there is an actual species identifiable as a "Northern Spotted Owl."

You hear this with salmon - that salmon are so precisely genetically tuned to the creek that they spawn in that salmon that spawn in different creeks are effectively different species.

The slight problem with that theory is that some people grabbed some salmon out of the Sacramento River, and dumped them into rivers in New Zealand, a completely different environment, where they are now flourishing.

Turns out that salmon are more resilient than claimed.

Posted by: Gavin Newsom, Lying In Wait! at July 08, 2024 11:44 AM (uxCna)

259 I love owls
This is sickening

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 08, 2024 11:44 AM (EGSGm)

260 yeah, we don't have kudzu or wild pig problems up here.

-

Or illegals.

Wait, nevermind.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - like Magic Johnson always said - Stay positive! at July 08, 2024 11:44 AM (PvlNq)

261 243 National polls show Trump up 6 but he’s only up 1-5 in swing states. That doesn’t make sense. Swing states were really close in 2020 while Biden won by 4% nationally. If Trump is up 6% nationally he should be up 10% in swing states.

The math isn’t mathing as the kids say.
Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 08, 2024 11:41 AM (3cb+Z)

========

Polling four months out which have no incentive to be accurate, or polling right before the election, which was garbage?

If there was a move to ban all polling in politics, I'd back it.

Polling is bullshit.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, laughing at the clowns with Preston Sturges at July 08, 2024 11:44 AM (GBKbO)

262 242 MSNBC Host Lawrence O’Donnell Calls For Biden Aides To Be Allowed On Stage With Him At Next Debate

Someone off set needs to start pounding on something.

Jeffry Toobin has entered the debate

Posted by: SMOD at July 08, 2024 11:44 AM (RHGPo)

263 I wouldn’t set a hard number for a maximum age. I’d say no higher than the average life expectancy less 10 years. In 50 years from now I can see life expectancy going up to 100 easily and an 80 year old will still be in the prime of their life.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 08, 2024 11:45 AM (3cb+Z)

264 I do believe certain animals should be protected from human poaching and hunting, as that is not a normal natural phenomena. The big African animals come to mind. If they weren't protected, hunters would hunt them all to actual extinction in a decade or less.

Same as in certain protected areas. In my recent trip to the Galapagos, it's teeming with wildlife not found anywhere else. And the wildlife is all dumb as shit. They have no fear of man. They walk (or fly or waddle or swim) right up to humans. Literally. If hunting or animal capture were allowed there, it would wipe out very rare populations that aren't prepared for contact with predatory humans.
Posted by: Elric Blade at July 08, 2024 11:42 AM (iFTx/)

The most effective advocates for large animals in Africa have been the actual hunters. Hunters want to conserve the resource for future hunters. Poachers want to take all they can right now.

Posted by: some hawk out west at July 08, 2024 11:45 AM (KbKv0)

265 260
Or illegals.

Wait, nevermind.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - like Magic Johnson always said - Stay positive! at July 08, 2024 11:44 AM (PvlNq)

Help Desk Response:
Not a problem - working as intended.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at July 08, 2024 11:45 AM (iSfV4)

266 259 I love owls
This is sickening

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at July 08, 2024 11:44 AM (EGSGm)

I've never eaten one, so I can't say if I do or not.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2024 11:45 AM (ynpvh)

267 Posted by: Elric Blade at July 08, 2024 11:42 AM (iFTx/)

When I was in the Galapagos, I saw a female sea lion nursing her pup on a pier with people walking on it. No fear at all.

Damned if I could get close enough to the Galapagos doves to get a picture of them, though.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 08, 2024 11:45 AM (v6JzV)

268 61 is a little low. I mean, it does take more health-wise to fly a plane than sit and read scripts and sign papers.

I'd drop it to SS age (so 67 now, right), but again, you want the amendment to pass...and anything younger than 75 would be a stretch...
Posted by: Nova Local

Plane pretty much flies itself. Almost lands itself. And you can always pair a 40 yr old pilot with a 63 yr old pilot. Oops. No you can't. Because they were forced out at 61. There goes a wealth of knowledge and experience.

And then you get a Biden or a RBG.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2024 11:45 AM (PrOMo)

269 "*Kudzu has entered the chat." Posted by: rickb223
*
yeah, we don't have kudzu or wild pig problems up here.
Posted by: illiniwek at July 08, 2024

***
The first time I read the word "kudzu," it was in Stephen King's Salem's Lot. Even after I read the reference ("The night the kudzu gets your fields, you sleep like the dead"), I wasn't sure what it was. It sounded like a mythical monster that ate crops.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024 11:45 AM (J2vNu)

270 As this culling takes place over a short time, long before the spotted ~~dick~~ owls regain a temporary place, the potential prey - squirrels, birds, mice, rats, etc. - will proliferate. What unintended damage are they going to cause?

500,000 is a lot of stomachs that don't need filling.
How many baby owls will die in the nest when Mom or Dad doesn't come back?

Posted by: Ciampino - I'm horrified for those babies. at July 08, 2024 11:46 AM (qfLjt)

271 I don't remember the Office but I am fond of it simply because it was the last of the age where Americans would watch things on TV and be able to discuss them together. We've lost that with our insane media specialization.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - like Magic Johnson always said - Stay positive! at July 08, 2024 11:42 AM (PvlNq)

I had a former colleague (female, I sorta had the hots for her, but she wasn't exactly single... it's complicated), we didn't have much else to talk about, but we kept a running dialogue about The Walking Dead, up until the point where I got tired of the series.

I think I talked to her one time since. Sad.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2024 11:46 AM (dGCAG)

272 I hated the way they made Steve Carell's character, the office manager, into a clueless buffoon. (Disclosure: I am an office manager)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024 11:42 AM (J2vNu)

What made his character lovable was he was a buffoon but he always meant well. And he cared about his employees.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 08, 2024 11:46 AM (3cb+Z)

273 I hated the way they made Steve Carell's character, the office manager, into a clueless buffoon. (Disclosure: I am an office manager)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024 11:42 AM (J2vNu)

But his office was always the top performing office and he was the best salesman . Part of the ying yang that made it interesting imo.

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2024 11:47 AM (SHMXB)

274
Here.

https://tinyurl.com/29m5bfsj
Posted by: Dr. T at July 08, 2024 11:23 AM (jGGMD)

Top. Man.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 08, 2024 11:47 AM (Zz0t1)

275 263 I wouldn’t set a hard number for a maximum age. I’d say no higher than the average life expectancy less 10 years. In 50 years from now I can see life expectancy going up to 100 easily and an 80 year old will still be in the prime of their life.
Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 08, 2024 11:45 AM (3cb+Z)

Nah, hard number - it's not political or fudgable then...if we end up living to 100, someone can pass another amendment to up the age.

The more you complicate, the less likely an amendment would pass.

Posted by: Nova Local at July 08, 2024 11:47 AM (exHjb)

276 I'd drop it to SS age (so 67 now, right), but again, you want the amendment to pass...and anything younger than 75 would be a stretch...

our geriatric legislators say the best they can do is 80

Posted by: brak at July 08, 2024 11:47 AM (AR07F)

277 You hear this with salmon - that salmon are so precisely genetically tuned to the creek that they spawn in that salmon that spawn in different creeks are effectively different species.

-

Related:

There is some French soup that is made all over the world, but it has been determined that all the others can't be anything but "fish soup" since the base of the original involves scooping up and making a broth out of local minnows you grab from under the dock.

No other fish are the same as these even if they're the same species (see also: onions), and apparently it influences the flavor of the soup, and the only way to legitimately have that soup is to travel to that region.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - like Magic Johnson always said - Stay positive! at July 08, 2024 11:47 AM (PvlNq)

278 What did Nixon do to piss off Ike?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 08, 2024 11:47 AM (v6JzV)

279 The most effective advocates for large animals in Africa have been the actual hunters. Hunters want to conserve the resource for future hunters. Poachers want to take all they can right now.
Posted by: some hawk out west

Always has been. The ones with the most skin in the game.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2024 11:47 AM (PrOMo)

280 Russian Thistle has entered the chat
Posted by: Maj. Healey

Pushed aside by the Giant Hogweed.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at July 08, 2024 11:47 AM (YAMql)

281 ***
I hated the way they made Steve Carell's character, the office manager, into a clueless buffoon. (Disclosure: I am an office manager)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024 11:42 AM (J2vNu)

Not being a fan of Steve Carell, I avoided the show altogether.

Every time I've seen a clip, I've been less than impressed anyway, so I always deemed my choice correct.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 08, 2024 11:48 AM (Zz0t1)

282 Office got much better in season 2. Then got shitty season 6ish. Seasons 2-5 is some great TV.
Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 08, 2024 11:38 AM (3cb+Z)

Yeah, ya gotta push through the awkwardness of season 1. It can get really awkward.
Posted by: DoublySymmetric at July 08, 2024 11:39 AM (iSfV4)

I think they were trying to mimic as much as possible the British version.

It's been a while since I've seen either, but I seem to recall they were following the story line pretty closely.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2024 11:42 AM (dGCAG)

It's generally understood that The Office struggled in season 1, then really hit its stride early in season 2. Us fans differ on where it started to fall off, but everything through the end of season 3 was gold.

Posted by: Dr. T at July 08, 2024 11:48 AM (jGGMD)

283 We Nevadans have 40,000 invasive horses.
We cull them by hitting them on the highways at 70 mph in an SUV.

Posted by: Reforger at July 08, 2024 11:48 AM (xcIvR)

284 If I had the money, I would remake the first 7 seasons of The Office, shot for shot, with one change

every episode would have a scene where Michael Scott gets punched in the face

Posted by: Don Black at July 08, 2024 11:48 AM (/7KEl)

285 Is it common to publish political polls during election "season" in the rest of the world? No idea - but I'd hazard to say it's probably illegal.

Posted by: Common Tater at July 08, 2024 11:48 AM (gRkj7)

286 243 National polls show Trump up 6 but he’s only up 1-5 in swing states. That doesn’t make sense. Swing states were really close in 2020 while Biden won by 4% nationally. If Trump is up 6% nationally he should be up 10% in swing states.

The math isn’t mathing as the kids say.
Posted by: Biden is Finished
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State polling is much harder to do than national polling but generally follows national trends.

You basically need the same large sample sizes as for the nation but much harder to do at the state level to get a representative sample of that state's electorates. Refusals, partial interviews, area codes on cell phones not corresponding with state or district, not being the right demographic to fit into population models, and so on. So to get a good representative sample somewhere like New Hampshire, you would need probably to make at least 5000-10000 interview calls to get the needed 1200 or so sample size needed for good accuracy.

Very expensive and media is not going to pay for that sort of polling. Candidates, however, can and do.

Posted by: whig at July 08, 2024 11:48 AM (nJXKb)

287 101 You have to admire in a grudging way, the whole mind fvck they have done on everybody.’

I admire the left as much as I do anyone who makes money tricking the mentally incompetent.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 08, 2024 11:48 AM (jbnUc)

288 The left kills birds every day with its wind farms. American Eagle, bats, etc. What's a few owls. Like with babies, everything is expendable to them in order to serve their masters.

Posted by: Cheri at July 08, 2024 11:48 AM (oiNtH)

289 Those new Emerson polls are truly brutal.

I hope the Trump org & the RNC are making the most out of this political timeout.

Posted by: mnw at July 08, 2024 11:48 AM (NLIak)

290 274
Here.

https://tinyurl.com/29m5bfsj
Posted by: Dr. T at July 08, 2024 11:23 AM (jGGMD)

Top. Man.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 08, 2024 11:47 AM (Zz0t1)

White man have no rhythm; His right hand isn't moving to the music...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2024 11:48 AM (ynpvh)

291 The slight problem with that theory is that some people grabbed some salmon out of the Sacramento River, and dumped them into rivers in New Zealand, a completely different environment, where they are now flourishing.

Turns out that salmon are more resilient than claimed.
Posted by: Gavin Newsom, Lying In Wait! at July 08, 2024 11:44 AM (uxCna)

There's this notion that salmon always return to the river they spawned in, and cannot pioneer new rivers. Why then, did the salmon not go extinct during the last glacial advance, when all the rivers were choked with ice?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 08, 2024 11:48 AM (KbKv0)

292 You hear this with salmon - that salmon are so precisely genetically tuned to the creek that they spawn in that salmon that spawn in different creeks are effectively different species.

-

Related:

There is some French soup that is made all over the world, but it has been determined that all the others can't be anything but "fish soup" since the base of the original involves scooping up and making a broth out of local minnows you grab from under the dock.

No other fish are the same as these even if they're the same species (see also: onions), and apparently it influences the flavor of the soup, and the only way to legitimately have that soup is to travel to that region.
Posted by: Moron Robbie

Same with moonshine. Water from a certain spring tastes unlike water from another spring.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2024 11:49 AM (PrOMo)

293 276 I'd drop it to SS age (so 67 now, right), but again, you want the amendment to pass...and anything younger than 75 would be a stretch...

our geriatric legislators say the best they can do is 80
Posted by: brak at July 08, 2024 11:47 AM (AR07F)

And 80 would still be an improvement on where we are. ANYTHING would be.

We now see that you can't rely on politicians doing the right thing in any office (Joe won't leave, House/Senate won't force him out, etc)...so hard stop is the way to go.

Posted by: Nova Local at July 08, 2024 11:49 AM (exHjb)

294 And if you haven't seen the opening to season 5's "Stress Relief," find a way to watch it. Funniest. Cold Open. Ever.

Posted by: Dr. T at July 08, 2024 11:49 AM (jGGMD)

295 >Russian Thistle has entered the chat
Posted by: Maj. Healey

Pushed aside by the Giant Hogweed.

NOT SO FAST, my friend

Posted by: Russian Olive tree at July 08, 2024 11:49 AM (/7KEl)

296 259 I love owls
This is sickening

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion

We had a Great Horned Owl living in a tall pine in our yard a few years ago. It was a scary bird. We think it attacked the neighbors cat. It stood at least 18inches tall.
It was not afraid of humans. It would stare you down and sometimes taunt and mocking you.
Scary.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2024 11:49 AM (/U5Yz)

297 One thing I haven't seen is how the CW in the Dem party will affect their willingness to release the Hur transcripts. To date, Merrick Garland has refused to do so, presumably because it would cement in people's minds that Biden truly is unfit. OTOH, there are factions who want Biden gone, and this would be one very large straw on the camel's back.

I'm anticipating leaks of the transcripts.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2024 11:49 AM (xCA6C)

298 Same with moonshine. Water from a certain spring tastes unlike water from another spring.
Posted by: rickb223

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This requires more research.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - like Magic Johnson always said - Stay positive! at July 08, 2024 11:49 AM (PvlNq)

299 Senator Says Biden Is Politically 'As Dead As Fried Chicken'

Republican Senator, John Kennedy from Louisiana, has not been afraid to say exactly what he thinks of Joe Biden's condition and the predicament the US faces. Biden is cooked, and if he somehow stays in office, we're all cooked.

Posted by: SMOD at July 08, 2024 11:49 AM (RHGPo)

300 280 Russian Thistle has entered the chat
Posted by: Maj. Healey

Pushed aside by the Giant Hogweed.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at July 08, 2024 11:47 AM (YAMql)

What?--David Hog

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2024 11:50 AM (ynpvh)

301 I'd drop it to SS age (so 67 now, right)

—

It’s 70 if you want full benefits. And yeah that’s a good one. It will increase over time, which keeps the number dynamic instead of static.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 08, 2024 11:50 AM (3cb+Z)

302 "Omg. Where us video of that?
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at July 08, 2024 11:18 AM (OiAR7)

Here.

https://tinyurl.com/29m5bfsj
Posted by: Dr. T"

That doesn't show a collection plate, but it does show Joe's right hand shaking like he has Parkinson's.

Posted by: Owl Facts at July 08, 2024 11:50 AM (vFG9F)

303 I hated the way they made Steve Carell's character, the office manager, into a clueless buffoon. (Disclosure: I am an office manager)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024 11:42 AM (J2vNu)

I think they grew him into a more complex character over the middle seasons. I never saw later seasons, I believe he left at some point, but had some return cameos? I don't know.

All I know is, Gervais in the British version is the most brutally cringe character ever created for television. Carell always had a likeability about him, Gervais... no redeeming qualities. It was brilliant.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2024 11:50 AM (dGCAG)

304 We had a Great Horned Owl living in a tall pine in our yard a few years ago. It was a scary bird. We think it attacked the neighbors cat. It stood at least 18inches tall.
It was not afraid of humans. It would stare you down and sometimes taunt and mocking you.
Scary.

Posted by: Maj. Healey

==

I used to work 3rd shift at a plant that was near some suburbs and a golf course. At least once a week I'd hear an owl grabbing a cat and flying off with it.

AARRRaaarrr (disappears in distance)

Posted by: Moron Robbie - like Magic Johnson always said - Stay positive! at July 08, 2024 11:51 AM (PvlNq)

305 That doesn't show a collection plate, but it does show Joe's right hand shaking like he has Parkinson's.
Posted by: Owl Facts at July 08, 2024 11:50 AM (vFG9F)

I thought he was trying to badly tap the beat to the music to not give away he couldn't stand up...

Posted by: Nova Local at July 08, 2024 11:51 AM (exHjb)

306 I hated the way they made Steve Carell's character, the office manager, into a clueless buffoon. (Disclosure: I am an office manager)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024
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But his office was always the top performing office and he was the best salesman . Part of the ying yang that made it interesting imo.
Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2024

***
Really? I got the impression it was more of a Get Smart thing where the central character was clueless and the characters all lived in a loony little world of their own. (Appropriate, since Carell played Maxwell Smart in that movie)

Maybe I should try it. I didn't *get* Soap, the '70s sitcom, until I realized it was a comic strip and if you replaced Burt with a penguin the stories would be the same.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024 11:51 AM (J2vNu)

307 285 Is it common to publish political polls during election "season" in the rest of the world? No idea - but I'd hazard to say it's probably illegal.
Posted by: Common Tater

Polling is pretty much universal in the West. Much of the rest of the world, it reflects the party in power rather than preferences.

If you can find it, back in the 60's, probably funded by State and the CIA, a group of political scientists investigated how to apply polling to various third world nations. I think Seymour Lipset was one of the investigators among others and they produced probably one of the better artifacts of research indicating problems when polling across various countries that often have a very low level of trust in society.

Posted by: whig at July 08, 2024 11:51 AM (nJXKb)

308 I wouldn’t set a hard number for a maximum age. I’d say no higher than the average life expectancy less 10 years. In 50 years from now I can see life expectancy going up to 100 easily and an 80 year old will still be in the prime of their life. Posted by: Biden is Finished

What we need is a cholesterol test for the presidency. Then one for kidney stones. Then one for eczema. What is going on with Biden is life and politics in one, let life and politics sort it out. Tests for who can run for president is sort like censorship; if voters want somebody [fill in condition/qualifications], then candidates that are [fill in condition/qualifications] it will be.

Posted by: Altaria Pilgram at July 08, 2024 11:51 AM (RUmyk)

309 As someone who hunts quite a bit, and knowing how most owls are pretty hidden and quiet during the day, I can only imagine how long it would take even a thousand hunters to kill half a million of them.

Posted by: Military Moron at July 08, 2024 11:51 AM (JCZqz)

310 283 We Nevadans have 40,000 invasive horses.
We cull them by hitting them on the highways at 70 mph in an SUV.

Posted by: Reforger at July 08, 2024 11:48 AM (xcIvR)

Also kills the SUV so win-win.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2024 11:51 AM (ynpvh)

311 Posted by: Elric Blade at July 08, 2024 11:42 AM (iFTx/)

When I was in the Galapagos, I saw a female sea lion nursing her pup on a pier with people walking on it. No fear at all.

Damned if I could get close enough to the Galapagos doves to get a picture of them, though.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 08, 2024 11:45 AM (v6JzV)
_______

Yea. We saw literally dozens of nursing seals. Everywhere, and not one of them even bothered acknowledging the presence of humans standing 3 feet away, let alone showing any fear. There was one big alpha male who got agitated on the beach when we got too close. But it was a few barks, and then he laid down and went to sleep.

The baby sea lions in the water come right up and practically kiss you.

Posted by: Elric Blade at July 08, 2024 11:51 AM (iFTx/)

312 That doesn't show a collection plate, but it does show Joe's right hand shaking like he has Parkinson's.

-

He looks around and then seems to be pointing at himself before becoming even more confused.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - like Magic Johnson always said - Stay positive! at July 08, 2024 11:52 AM (PvlNq)

313 What did Nixon do to piss off Ike?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 08, 2024 11:47 AM (v6JzV)

Ike always hated 'politicians' (ironic, considering how good he was at power playing) and Nixon was considered to be one of the most emblematic of the breed. And, when Nixon went ahead with the Checkers speech rather than resigning like a good, whipped-puppy GOPer and basically forcing Ike into keeping him on the ticket, Ike never trusted him again.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 08, 2024 11:52 AM (Q0kLU)

314 >All I know is, Gervais in the British version is the most brutally cringe character

I tried watching the British 'Office'

I couldn't understand a word Gervais was saying

Posted by: Don Black at July 08, 2024 11:52 AM (/7KEl)

315 211 Tried to watch The Office. OMG it was horrible. Made it 6 episodes in.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2024 11:20 AM (PrOMo)

Yeah, I couldn't get into that, either.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at July 08, 2024 11:36 AM (T+Iwg)

Try watching st elmos fire. Just watched it for the first time. Holy cow what a terrible movie. Could I care less about 7 Georgetown graduates?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at July 08, 2024 11:52 AM (OiAR7)

316 "I thought he was trying to badly tap the beat to the music to not give away he couldn't stand up...
Posted by: Nova Local"

I thought so too at first, but it's looks a lot like my Dad, who definitely does have Parkinson's.

Posted by: fd at July 08, 2024 11:52 AM (vFG9F)

317 276

I stopped referring to Social Security as "SS" many years ago. Too jarring for me. Now use "SSA" as shorthand (Soc Sec Admin).

Just a personal stylistic preference.

Posted by: mnw at July 08, 2024 11:53 AM (NLIak)

318 As someone who hunts quite a bit, and knowing how most owls are pretty hidden and quiet during the day, I can only imagine how long it would take even a thousand hunters to kill half a million of them.
Posted by: Military Moron

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This is a really great point. And they're not seen until they are, and they're remarkably silent and still at all times, even in flight.

I bet they trap and poison them.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - like Magic Johnson always said - Stay positive! at July 08, 2024 11:53 AM (PvlNq)

319 We had a Great Horned Owl living in a tall pine in our yard a few years ago. It was a scary bird. We think it attacked the neighbors cat. It stood at least 18inches tall.
It was not afraid of humans. It would stare you down and sometimes taunt and mocking you.
Scary.

Posted by: Maj. Healey

He wanted a frozen mouse Scooby treat, duh! But they will eat cats. And chickens.

Posted by: Piper at July 08, 2024 11:53 AM (p4NUW)

320 What made his character lovable was he was a buffoon but he always meant well. And he cared about his employees.
Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 08, 2024 11:46 AM (3cb+Z)

Toby called, he said "Eh....."

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2024 11:53 AM (dGCAG)

321 291 The slight problem with that theory is that some people grabbed some salmon out of the Sacramento River, and dumped them into rivers in New Zealand, a completely different environment, where they are now flourishing.

Turns out that salmon are more resilient than claimed.
Posted by: Gavin Newsom, Lying In Wait! at July 08, 2024 11:44 AM (uxCna)

There's this notion that salmon always return to the river they spawned in, and cannot pioneer new rivers. Why then, did the salmon not go extinct during the last glacial advance, when all the rivers were choked with ice?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 08, 2024 11:48 AM (KbKv0)

Northern Spotted Salmon...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2024 11:53 AM (ynpvh)

322 The northwest. In the meantime, the east coast:

July 2, 2024, NJ Monitor, "Feds give OK to two wind farms off New Jersey’s coast"

In part, Federal authorities approved the construction of up to 195 wind turbines off of New Jersey’s coast Tuesday in a victory for Gov. Phil Murphy’s wind energy agenda.
Murphy has set ambitious renewable energy goals for New Jersey that call on the state to draw 100% of its power from renewable sources by 2035 and to create at least 11,000 megawatts of offshore wind capacity by 2040.

The governor on Tuesday thanked President Joe Biden for “bringing us one step closer to a 100% clean energy future.”

Playing to environmentalist last month.
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Now, back to NATO. AP, WORLD NEWS, today:
NATO leaders are descending on Washington. Here’s what to know

In part, "There is deep uncertainty over President Joe Biden’s ability to beat his predecessor, NATO skeptic Donald Trump, in November to lead the most powerful member of the alliance."

Biden's and Blinken's schedules, basically silent.

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at July 08, 2024 11:53 AM (NFX2v)

323 182 Two well-connected Democrat advisers are reportedly shopping a plan to replace President Joe Biden on the 2024 ticket through a “blitz primary” process before the party’s August convention....

this all sounds like how we wind up with president fetterman.

Posted by: anachronda at July 08, 2024 11:53 AM (sGtp+)

324 We Nevadans have 40,000 invasive horses.
We cull them by hitting them on the highways at 70 mph in an SUV.

Posted by: Reforger at July 08, 2024 11:48 AM (xcIvR)

Also kills the SUV so win-win.
Posted by: jim

*Whitetail deer have entered the chat.
(I actually have more deer taken by vehicle than by rifle)

Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2024 11:53 AM (PrOMo)

325 Try watching st elmos fire. Holy cow what a terrible movie.

Peak Allie Sheedy, though.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 08, 2024 11:53 AM (v6JzV)

326 Not being a fan of Steve Carell, I avoided the show altogether.

Every time I've seen a clip, I've been less than impressed anyway, so I always deemed my choice correct.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 08, 2024 1

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Carell amazed me. Nobody else in H'wood at the time, I thought, could have done "Uncle Arthur" in the Nicole Kidman Bewitched film, or even come close to Don Adams as Maxwell Smart. I've since seen him in more dramatic things and am still impressed.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024 11:54 AM (J2vNu)

327 "I bet they trap and poison them.
Posted by: Moron Robbie "

And hundreds of thousands of other innocent critters.

Posted by: fd at July 08, 2024 11:54 AM (vFG9F)

328
Temp, 83, 79% RH., Baro 29.62. UP, two 1/100ths in the past hour. IOW, the worst, has passed.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at July 08, 2024 11:40 AM (kQgoX)

Good to hear.

*fistbump*

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 08, 2024 11:54 AM (Zz0t1)

329 I tried watching the British 'Office'

I couldn't understand a word Gervais was saying
Posted by: Don Black at July 08, 2024 11:52 AM (/7KEl)

The closed caption button isn't just for deaf people, you know.

Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2024 11:54 AM (dGCAG)

330 Try watching st elmos fire. Just watched it for the first time. Holy cow what a terrible movie. Could I care less about 7 Georgetown graduates?
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at July 08, 2024 11:52 AM (OiAR7)

Always said that St Elmo’s Fire was the Whitest Stereotype movie ever made.

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2024 11:54 AM (SHMXB)

331 That doesn't show a collection plate, but it does show Joe's right hand shaking like he has Parkinson's.
Posted by: Owl Facts

Put a pen in it like Hitler did.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at July 08, 2024 11:54 AM (YAMql)

332 They could also "discover" the interesting implications of that diary where his daughter talks about Joey showering with him. And all those pics of him sniffing on little kids.

If the press wants to make him look bad, they certainly have it within their power to do so, every day from here on out, as they have done 24/7 against the other guy. The difference here, crucially they don't have to pull anything out of their ass and make it up. It's all very well documented.

Biden has been stinkin' up the joint for 50 years.

Posted by: Common Tater at July 08, 2024 11:55 AM (gRkj7)

333 I love owls
This is sickening

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion

We had a Great Horned Owl living in a tall pine in our yard a few years ago. It was a scary bird. We think it attacked the neighbors cat. It stood at least 18inches tall.
It was not afraid of humans. It would stare you down and sometimes taunt and mocking you.
Scary.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2024 11:49 AM (/U5Yz)
_________

Owls are vicious, fearless, and highly capable alpha predators. I wouldn't fuck with them. Some of the largest owls are practically prehistoric predators.

Posted by: Elric Blade at July 08, 2024 11:55 AM (iFTx/)

334 Oh, and while I was setting presidential age limits in the amendment, I'd do the same for the House and Senate - giving +5 years to the Senate and +10 to the House (just like the amendments do the reverse for age)...

So - Pres/VP is 35-80
Senate is 30-85
House is 25-90

And must leave when age hit, even if during the term...

Yes, the House is high, so we could drop pres to 70 or 75...but even then, we've had folks in their late 90s dying in office literally for both, so...

Posted by: Nova Local at July 08, 2024 11:55 AM (exHjb)

335 305 That doesn't show a collection plate, but it does show Joe's right hand shaking like he has Parkinson's.
Posted by: Owl Facts at July 08, 2024 11:50 AM (vFG9F)

I thought he was trying to badly tap the beat to the music to not give away he couldn't stand up...

Posted by: Nova Local at July 08, 2024 11:51 AM (exHjb)

It's not a park he put in his son; stop that rumor.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2024 11:55 AM (ynpvh)

336 All I know is, Gervais in the British version is the most brutally cringe character ever created for television. Carell always had a likeability about him, Gervais... no redeeming qualities. It was brilliant.
Posted by: BurtTC
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Gervais gives no fucks in life which is why he pissed off those pampered asshats of Hollywood at the 2020 Golden Globes. There is something to be said of the crude direct approach when one is surrounded by lies and Hollywood is based itself on lies.

Posted by: whig at July 08, 2024 11:55 AM (nJXKb)

337 323 182 Two well-connected Democrat advisers are reportedly shopping a plan to replace President Joe Biden on the 2024 ticket through a “blitz primary” process before the party’s August convention....

this all sounds like how we wind up with president fetterman.
Posted by: anachronda at July 08, 2024 11:53 AM (sGtp+)

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This sounds like a backroom deal that's going nowhere and people are using it as an excuse to fill writing deadlines.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, laughing at the clowns with Preston Sturges at July 08, 2024 11:55 AM (GBKbO)

338 The closed caption button isn't just for deaf people, you know.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 08, 2024 11:54 AM (dGCAG)

That’s the best way to watch “Snatch”. Especially when the gypsies are on screen.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at July 08, 2024 11:56 AM (iSfV4)

339 326 Not being a fan of Steve Carell, I avoided the show altogether.

Every time I've seen a clip, I've been less than impressed anyway, so I always deemed my choice correct.
Posted by: Sponge
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Ditto.

Posted by: whig at July 08, 2024 11:56 AM (nJXKb)

340 318 As someone who hunts quite a bit, and knowing how most owls are pretty hidden and quiet during the day, I can only imagine how long it would take even a thousand hunters to kill half a million of them.
Posted by: Military Moron

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This is a really great point. And they're not seen until they are, and they're remarkably silent and still at all times, even in flight.

I bet they trap and poison them.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - like Magic Johnson always said - Stay positive! at July 08, 2024 11:53 AM (PvlNq)

There will always be some "by-catch" too, like the occasional Northern Spotted.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2024 11:56 AM (ynpvh)

341 309 As someone who hunts quite a bit, and knowing how most owls are pretty hidden and quiet during the day, I can only imagine how long it would take even a thousand hunters to kill half a million of them.

we might be able to cook up a bird flu that could do it quickly.

Posted by: wuhan virology lab at July 08, 2024 11:56 AM (sGtp+)

342 Morning.

So Buck thinks Norwegians are subhuman, huh?

Well...he's probably right.

Posted by: Robert at July 08, 2024 11:56 AM (+pwcp)

343 272 I hated the way they made Steve Carell's character, the office manager, into a clueless buffoon. (Disclosure: I am an office manager)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024 11:42 AM (J2vNu)

What made his character lovable was he was a buffoon but he always meant well. And he cared about his employees.
Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 08, 2024 11:46 AM (3cb+Z)

Your average manager is a clueless buffoon who does not mean well and doesn't give a rat's ass about the employees. So at least he had some redeeming qualities.

Posted by: People don't quit jobs they quit bosses at July 08, 2024 11:56 AM (mIzto)

344 Carell amazed me. Nobody else in H'wood at the time, I thought, could have done "Uncle Arthur" in the Nicole Kidman Bewitched film, or even come close to Don Adams as Maxwell Smart. I've since seen him in more dramatic things and am still impressed.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024 11:54 AM (J2vNu)

Dan In Real Life is a favorite movie of mine.

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2024 11:57 AM (SHMXB)

345 "Here.

https://tinyurl.com/29m5bfsj
Posted by: Dr. T"

Besides looking like a confused old man, Biden looks like is wondering what all these black people are are doing here.?

Posted by: Ripley at July 08, 2024 11:57 AM (GUOwU)

346 Yea. We saw literally dozens of nursing seals. Everywhere, and not one of them even bothered acknowledging the presence of humans standing 3 feet away, let alone showing any fear. There was one big alpha male who got agitated on the beach when we got too close. But it was a few barks, and then he laid down and went to sleep.

The baby sea lions in the water come right up and practically kiss you.
Posted by: Elric Blade

Mmmmmm. Clubbed baby seal sammiches with a spotted owl aioli.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2024 11:57 AM (PrOMo)

347 House Oversight Chair James Comer has sent a letter to White House Doc Kevin O'Connor to appear for an interview before the Committee in a closed door session.

I think this Doc has some 'splainin to do regarding the glowing reports he has been given about his boss's health. He needs his license pulled but I must be dreaming.

Posted by: Cheri at July 08, 2024 11:57 AM (oiNtH)

348 340 I bet they trap and poison them.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - like Magic Johnson always said - Stay positive! at July 08, 2024 11:53 AM (PvlNq)

There will always be some "by-catch" too, like the occasional Northern Spotted.

omelettes. eggs.

Posted by: anachronda at July 08, 2024 11:57 AM (sGtp+)

349 First little bit of outer band rain hitting now. Very light rain and a little wind.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 08, 2024 11:57 AM (Zz0t1)

350 Owls fly silently. It's pretty rad.

Posted by: ballistic at July 08, 2024 11:57 AM (oqH4h)

351 what does Social Security Admin say is 'the retirement age'

same should apply to politicians

no more elderly politicians
go home, FFS

Posted by: Don Black at July 08, 2024 11:57 AM (/7KEl)

352 "I bet they trap and poison them.
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And hundreds of thousands of other innocent critters.
Posted by: fd

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Which opens up new opportunities for millions of dollars in grants, research, "mitigation", etc.

Win-win

Posted by: Moron Robbie - like Magic Johnson always said - Stay positive! at July 08, 2024 11:57 AM (PvlNq)

353 325 Try watching st elmos fire. Holy cow what a terrible movie.

Peak Allie Sheedy, though.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 08, 2024 11:53 AM (v6JzV)

And Elmo's acting range is quite limited.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at July 08, 2024 11:58 AM (ynpvh)

354
I think this Doc has some 'splainin to do regarding the glowing reports he has been given about his boss's health. He needs his license pulled but I must be dreaming.
Posted by: Cheri at July 08, 2024 11:57 AM (oiNtH)

There are also questions about his dealings with a company that Joe's brother worked for and made a $200k payment to Joe for something.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 08, 2024 11:58 AM (Zz0t1)

355 333 Owls are vicious, fearless, and highly capable alpha predators. I wouldn't fuck with them. Some of the largest owls are practically prehistoric predators.
Posted by: Elric Blade at July 08, 2024

Except Owlbert. He is a cuddly owl. Who ate the neighbors chickens. And probably a few cats. But if you don’t let your cats outside, they won’t get eaten by owls!

Posted by: Piper at July 08, 2024 11:58 AM (p4NUW)

356 Though the two species are genetically quite distinct, they may hybridize in areas where displacement is occurring, resulting in an interspecific hybrid owl referred to as a "sparred owl".
Posted by: Owl Facts

I ain't no ways sparred!

Posted by: a hybrid owl at July 08, 2024 11:58 AM (NY/vd)

357 Owls fly silently. It's pretty rad.
Posted by: ballistic

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BBC video if people haven't seen it. Worth a watch. Different birds in flight over extremely sensitive microphones.

youtube.com/watch?v=d_FEaFgJyfA

Posted by: Moron Robbie - like Magic Johnson always said - Stay positive! at July 08, 2024 11:58 AM (PvlNq)

358 351 what does Social Security Admin say is 'the retirement age'

same should apply to politicians

no more elderly politicians
go home, FFS
Posted by: Don Black at July 08, 2024 11:57 AM (/7KEl)

Only thing - you have to be careful not having any elderly representation...or you end up with death panels and the declaration "nothing matters after 80"...thus, I like the step down through the offices, just like there was a step up...

Posted by: Nova Local at July 08, 2024 11:59 AM (exHjb)

359

Pushed aside by the Giant Hogweed.

https://youtu.be/BSkgwCpuZwk

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 08, 2024 11:59 AM (63Dwl)

360 325 Try watching st elmos fire. Holy cow what a terrible movie.

Peak Allie Sheedy, though.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 08, 2024 11:53 AM (v6JzV)

Yikes. When she pulled her knees up when Judd Nelson was getting frisky....homina homina. But that was about it for the movie

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at July 08, 2024 11:59 AM (OiAR7)

361 Owls fly silently. It's pretty rad.

I was expecting that first line to start a haiku.

Owls fly silently
Barn, Barred or Spotted, who knows?
They all eat rodents

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2024 11:59 AM (xCA6C)

362 Which opens up new opportunities for millions of dollars in grants, research, "mitigation", etc.

We support this.

Posted by: GOP at July 08, 2024 12:00 PM (/U5Yz)

363 350 Owls fly silently. It's pretty rad.
Posted by: ballistic at July 08, 2024 11:57 AM (oqH4h)

When I was a kid I was walking along a forest road in Silver Gate, Montana, when I suddenly felt that something had flown overhead, Just a few feet over me. I looked up and saw the silhouette of a great horned owl against the stars. It made another pass. I could not hear its wings, but felt the wash. Completely silent. Scary as hell, but also really cool.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Come Sail Away with me, You guys at July 08, 2024 12:00 PM (xPJvm)

364 222 I've read enough of WWII and post war history to realize the public Ike was very different than the private Ike.
Posted by: whig at July 08, 2024 11:37 AM (nJXKb)

Toothy smiles for the photographers is part of the job of being an asshole, which almost all generals are. I met a guy who worked for Ike for a while and said keeping his staff scared of him was his go-to move.

Posted by: Auspex at July 08, 2024 12:00 PM (j4U/Z)

365 Try watching st elmos fire. Just watched it for the first time. Holy cow what a terrible movie. Could I care less about 7 Georgetown graduates?
Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at July 08, 2024 11:52 AM (OiAR7)

Always said that St Elmo’s Fire was the Whitest Stereotype movie ever made.
Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2024 11:54 AM (SHMXB)
________

Most of the movies from that era are terrible. But they captured a fleeting moment where America was very curious about that very white, affluent demographic. And like today, they had the right "influencers" and corrupt critics to promote them with propaganda.

You want to watch a worldwide sensation of a movie that today is barely watchable? Saturday Night Fever. It was before my time, but it took the world by storm. Watching it now, it's so seedy and sleazy -- not to mention misogynistic and racist -- you need to take a shower after you watch it. I have no idea why it was so popular at the time.

Posted by: Elric Blade at July 08, 2024 12:01 PM (iFTx/)

366 Ike always hated 'politicians' (ironic, considering how good he was at power playing) and Nixon was considered to be one of the most emblematic of the breed. And, when Nixon went ahead with the Checkers speech rather than resigning like a good, whipped-puppy GOPer and basically forcing Ike into keeping him on the ticket, Ike never trusted him again.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing
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Ike was passive aggressive in personality and he dealt with some of the biggest egotists in the political and military system. MacArthur, FDR, Churchill, 'Betty' Stark, Patton, and Montgomery, plus Alan Brooke, the Dulles brothers, etc.

He was the perfect example of a staff man made good by diligence and brownnosing when in an inferior position while probably bottling up massive anger and resentment over his past treatment.

Posted by: whig at July 08, 2024 12:01 PM (nJXKb)

367 351 what does Social Security Admin say is 'the retirement age'

same should apply to politicians

no more elderly politicians
go home, FFS
Posted by: Don Black at July

We do not have a forced retirement age in the US like they do in France, for example. It’s actually quite a socialist concept.

Why would we pick an age and not do testing? Trump is no spring chicken, but he is still sharp.

Posted by: Piper at July 08, 2024 12:01 PM (p4NUW)

368 Sodomite and US Senator Lindsey Graham wants Biden AND Trump to take cognitive tests.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2024 12:02 PM (/U5Yz)

369 136
‘ Best part about Biden remaining the nominee’

God. I hope he hangs on. This could be the funniest election ever.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 08, 2024 12:02 PM (jbnUc)

370 Sodomite and US Senator Lindsey Graham wants Biden AND Trump to take cognitive tests.

--

And give Joe all the answers first. And an earpiece.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - like Magic Johnson always said - Stay positive! at July 08, 2024 12:02 PM (PvlNq)

371 Is Joe taking as many drugs as Hitler did?

Posted by: Northernlurker , wondering where his phone is at July 08, 2024 12:02 PM (JLq/1)

372 "Crowd sourced" polling is useful - provided the people employing aren't up to unscrupulous purposes. Just like anything else.

I think it was popular in the Army, at least, at one time. When Sergeant Floyd died on the Lewis and Clark expedition, the men voted on who they wanted to replace him.

NASA did similar routines, where doctors would "rate" the candidates for selection without naming them. This is still unknown who they were talking abou, though there are some guesses. Just candidate "A" thru K" or whatever. They also asked the astronauts who were selected, who THEY would rate as number 1 and so on.

That's how they ended up with Shepard, Glenn, and Grissom. Not just test scores, but "polling" as it were. I think some of the snake eater service selection schools have a "rate your fellow soldiers" kind of thing going on as well.

Posted by: Common Tater at July 08, 2024 12:02 PM (gRkj7)

373 Owls fly silently. It's pretty rad.
Posted by: ballistic

The tips of their feathers are "feathered". It breaks up the wind resistance and allows the almost silent flight.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2024 12:02 PM (PrOMo)

374 Ugh.....Initial reports are wife will need a port and will have to do chemo after surgery.

Damn........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 08, 2024 12:03 PM (Zz0t1)

375 Ike played the most golf of any President by far.

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2024 12:03 PM (SHMXB)

376 God. I hope he hangs on. This could be the funniest election ever.

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Well, right up to what happens afterwards. Because unless we get some helicopters and zero tolerance, we're headed for something bad.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - like Magic Johnson always said - Stay positive! at July 08, 2024 12:03 PM (PvlNq)

377 Is retirement mandatory at age 70?
Age Discrimination Legislation in the US

The amendments that were signed into law 1978 expanded coverage under the Act to workers age 70, implicitly abolishing mandatory retirement at the most common age, 65. In 1986, the upper age limit was lifted altogether, outlawing any form of compulsory retirement.

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at July 08, 2024 12:03 PM (NFX2v)

378 The Memory Care Moron, J. Robinette Slidin' Biden, had his chief of staph Hunty dial up Joe and Mika for him, during their morning show today.

It went so sideways they had to send out the Coast Guard to retrieve it.

It's getting more grotesque each day. Before the "debate," it took pouncing by Trump, or team members, or conservative pundits, to highlight the lies and gaffes.

But it's gushing like knocked-over fire hydrants everywhere, soaking the low-info bystanders, impossible to ignore.

The huge fireworks display last night in this farflung Chicagoland suburb went like I think the dems' convention might go. Began 20 minutes early, not even full dark, and less than 5 minutes in, it looked like the whole huge raft of mortar bombs launched at once. Then silence. For a full fifteen minutes. Then it began again but it was apparent because of a lack of continuity, that the control of timing and sequence had been destroyed. Seemed like the fire chief was running around the barges randomly, a Zippo lighter in one hand. 40 boring minutes of big aerial bombs, time gaps, and an ending like what happens with microwave popcorn.

Like, is it all popped yet?

That'll be Chicago.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at July 08, 2024 12:03 PM (ZtgZZ)

379 369 136
‘ Best part about Biden remaining the nominee’

God. I hope he hangs on. This could be the funniest election ever.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 08, 2024 12:02 PM (jbnUc)

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"All those times I said Biden should step aside because he's a dotard and falling apart? Doesn't matter. The president doesn't run anything. Also, we can't let Trump be president because he'll run everything."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, laughing at the clowns with Preston Sturges at July 08, 2024 12:03 PM (GBKbO)

380 St. Elmo's Fire

https://ibb.co/0FnHw7p

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 08, 2024 12:03 PM (Q4IgG)

381 374 Ugh.....Initial reports are wife will need a port and will have to do chemo after surgery.

Damn........
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 08, 2024 12:03 PM (Zz0t1)

Hang in there, man. We're all praying.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 08, 2024 12:03 PM (LDevB)

382 Why would we pick an age and not do testing? Trump is no spring chicken, but he is still sharp.
Posted by: Piper at July 08, 2024 12:01 PM (p4NUW)

A hard age is certainly easier than some kind of cognitive test - there will be endless bleating and fighting over what the test is, and who administers it.

Unfortunately, there is nothing non-partisan, and there never really was.

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at July 08, 2024 12:03 PM (iSfV4)

383 We do not have a forced retirement age in the US like they do in France, for example. It’s actually quite a socialist concept.

Why would we pick an age and not do testing? Trump is no spring chicken, but he is still sharp.
Posted by: Piper at July 08, 2024 12:01 PM (p4NUW)

B/c Repubs would never pass...and Dems always would.
We're trying to avoid right now happening again.

Age is not political. It's the only thing that's not.

And we deem age important for the offices already with minimum ages, so there's total precedent set by the founding fathers that you need to be experienced enough for the job...the opposite end would ensure competent and energetic enough...

Posted by: Nova Local at July 08, 2024 12:04 PM (exHjb)

384 Is Joe taking as many drugs as Hitler did?
Posted by: Northernlurker , wondering where his phone is at July 08, 2024 12:02 PM (JLq/1)

Probably closer to the amount Kennedy was taking.

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2024 12:04 PM (SHMXB)

385 365 I have no idea why it was so popular at the time.
Posted by: Elric Blade at July 08, 2024

John Travolta was hot, the music and the dancing. Disco and the clubs were the thing. I was 5 when it came out, so I don’t remember it at all, but that is the reason for it.

Posted by: Piper at July 08, 2024 12:04 PM (p4NUW)

386 We had a Great Horned Owl living in a tall pine in our yard a few years ago. It was a scary bird. We think it attacked the neighbors cat. It stood at least 18inches tall.
It was not afraid of humans. It would stare you down and sometimes taunt and mocking you.
Scary.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2024 11:49 AM (/U5Yz)
_________

Owls are vicious, fearless, and highly capable alpha predators. I wouldn't fuck with them. Some of the largest owls are practically prehistoric predators.
Posted by: Elric Blade
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I got buzzed by one in a deer stand. Watching him and vice-versa as the sun came up. He dropped out of a tree and headed my direction. So I did the brave thing....and hit the floor.

Posted by: scampydog at July 08, 2024 12:04 PM (2bFN5)

387 St. Elmo's Fire

https://ibb.co/0FnHw7p
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 08, 2024 12:03 PM (Q4IgG)

Groan!!!

Posted by: Diogenes at July 08, 2024 12:04 PM (W/lyH)

388 We do not have a forced retirement age in the US like they do in France, for example. It’s actually quite a socialist concept.

That apparently does not apply to their First Lady.

Posted by: Archimedes at July 08, 2024 12:04 PM (xCA6C)

389 BBC video if people haven't seen it. Worth a watch. Different birds in flight over extremely sensitive microphones.

youtube.com/watch?v=d_FEaFgJyfA
Posted by: Moron Robbie - like Magic Johnson always said - Stay positive! at July 08, 2024 11:58 AM (PvlNq)
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Cool that they used a Peregrine Falcon too. Fastest animal on Earth.

Posted by: ballistic at July 08, 2024 12:05 PM (oqH4h)

390
Hang in there, man. We're all praying.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 08, 2024 12:03 PM (LDevB)

Thank you.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 08, 2024 12:05 PM (Zz0t1)

391 I'm an environmentalist whacko
Now
Save the owls.

Posted by: torabora at July 08, 2024 12:05 PM (Gfelq)

392 Try watching st elmos fire. Holy cow what a terrible movie.
*
Peak Allie Sheedy, though.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 08, 2024

***
I still recall with great fondness that moment when she buries her face in the school desk in The Breakfast Club.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024 12:05 PM (J2vNu)

393 Well, I'm no expert on aging, though I have seen On Golden Pond

but I'm tired of these living fossils such as McConnell, Pelosi, Biden, etc

Posted by: Don Black at July 08, 2024 12:05 PM (/7KEl)

394 1986, the upper age limit was lifted altogether, outlawing any form of compulsory retirement.
Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at July 08, 2024 12:03 PM (NFX2v)

With exceptions for certain occupations.

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2024 12:06 PM (SHMXB)

395 Yeah season 1 was trying to match the British vibe but that doesn’t work for American characters. Season 2 they Americanized it and got much better.

Posted by: Biden is Finished at July 08, 2024 12:06 PM (3cb+Z)

396 I got buzzed by one in a deer stand. Watching him and vice-versa as the sun came up. He dropped out of a tree and headed my direction. So I did the brave thing....and hit the floor.
Posted by: scampydog at July 08, 2024 12:04 PM (2bFN5)
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Almost got attacked by an owl years ago. I was riding along on my bike, well after dark and heard the wings as the owl suddenly realized I was a bit larger than it's normal prey. No idea it was there until it decided to go away.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 08, 2024 12:06 PM (tT6L1)

397 374 Ugh.....Initial reports are wife will need a port and will have to do chemo after surgery.

Damn........
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden

We have you and your wife in our hearts and prayers.

Posted by: Piper at July 08, 2024 12:06 PM (p4NUW)

398 Well, I'm no expert on aging, though I have seen On Golden Pond

but I'm tired of these living fossils such as McConnell, Pelosi, Biden, etc
Posted by: Don Black at July 08, 2024 12:05
****
What about
Driving Miss Daisy.
I think it's a pron epic.

Posted by: torabora at July 08, 2024 12:07 PM (Gfelq)

399 "Government to Slaughter 500,000 Barred Owls"

Solution: Owl Pie.

Posted by: Blame It On gp's Juice at July 08, 2024 12:07 PM (0kOrM)

400 But what do the owls think of Don Juan?

Posted by: XTC at July 08, 2024 12:07 PM (UnA8+)

401 My understanding is that the spotted owls also interbreed with the barred owls, so....

Posted by: FeatherBlade at July 08, 2024 12:07 PM (hB7mE)

402 Ugh.....Initial reports are wife will need a port and will have to do chemo after surgery.

Damn........
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 08, 2024 12:03 PM (Zz0t1)

Hang in there, man. We're all praying.
Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer

Definitely. Never stopped.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2024 12:07 PM (PrOMo)

403 Killing 500k owls is going to take a long time, these aren't a field of feral hogs you can pick off dozens at a clip from the back of an ATV or pickup.

Someone's going to get paid for a very long time.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 08, 2024 12:07 PM (XV/Pl)

404 393 Well, I'm no expert on aging, though I have seen On Golden Pond

but I'm tired of these living fossils such as McConnell, Pelosi, Biden, etc
Posted by: Don Black at July 08, 2024 12:05 PM (/7KEl)

I don't want an age limit but I would impose an increasing tax structure.

Your age is the percentage you pay in tax. Let the old buzzards pay their fair share.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at July 08, 2024 12:07 PM (LDevB)

405
We have you and your wife in our hearts and prayers.
Posted by: Piper at July 08, 2024 12:06 PM (p4NUW)

And we are incredibly grateful.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 08, 2024 12:07 PM (Zz0t1)

406 Obvious solution. Release venomous snakes in said woodlands.

Posted by: Marooned at July 08, 2024 12:08 PM (kt8QE)

407
Someone's going to get paid for a very long time.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 08, 2024 12:07 PM (XV/Pl)

It would not surprise me if not one owl is shot, yet millions of dollars are spent in the process.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at July 08, 2024 12:08 PM (Zz0t1)

408 Why is Aykroyd pronounced "Ack-roid" rather than "Ache-roid"?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, laughing at the clowns with Preston Sturges at July 08, 2024 12:08 PM (GBKbO)

409 "Watching it now, it's so seedy and sleazy -- not to mention misogynistic and racist -- you need to take a shower after you watch it. I have no idea why it was so popular at the time."

Nevermind. Too far gone.

Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at July 08, 2024 12:08 PM (Z8Yh2)

410 In Alabama now you can buy ammo from vending machines. I wonder if they will now offer bird shot
from the machines?

Posted by: Maj. Healey at July 08, 2024 12:09 PM (/U5Yz)

411 409 "Watching it now, it's so seedy and sleazy -- not to mention misogynistic and racist -- you need to take a shower after you watch it. I have no idea why it was so popular at the time."

Nevermind. Too far gone.
Posted by: Tech Sgt. Chen at July 08, 2024 12:08 PM (Z8Yh2)

========

Siskel named Saturday Night Fever one of the best movies of the year the year it came out.

Loved it a lot, he did.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, laughing at the clowns with Preston Sturges at July 08, 2024 12:09 PM (GBKbO)

412 I was coming home on liberty in San Diego and the owl on the fence and I were eye to eye.
Carlos Casteneda would say I was getting invited to the Other Side. I didn't take the bait and headed for my rack.

Posted by: torabora at July 08, 2024 12:09 PM (Gfelq)

413 > but I'm tired of these living fossils such as McConnell, Pelosi, Biden, etc
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72

That is my upper limit for any politician. If someone's 70 and they run for office, instant disqualification.

There are people in their 50's and 60's who are mentally feeble enough to warrant having a fulltime caregiver.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 08, 2024 12:09 PM (Q4IgG)

414 Commenting Present.

Posted by: B. Hussein Obama, Esq. at July 08, 2024 12:10 PM (/4jGt)

415 'Why is Aykroyd pronounced "Ack-roid" rather than "Ache-roid"?'

A more pressing question: Why did he make "Dr. Detroit?" Did he really hate us that much?

Posted by: Blame It On gp's Juice at July 08, 2024 12:10 PM (0kOrM)

416 339 326 Not being a fan of Steve Carell, I avoided the show altogether.
***********
I tried to watch it a couple times but being from Northeast PA I had trouble with it. It was supposedly set in Scranton and it just didn't look or feel like Scranton. And the characters speech and accents weren't even close.

Posted by: Cosda at July 08, 2024 12:10 PM (TO2BB)

417 415 'Why is Aykroyd pronounced "Ack-roid" rather than "Ache-roid"?'

A more pressing question: Why did he make "Dr. Detroit?" Did he really hate us that much?
Posted by: Blame It On gp's Juice at July 08, 2024 12:10 PM (0kOrM)

Don't ask me.

Posted by: Brett favre at July 08, 2024 12:10 PM (OiAR7)

418 I don't see how 80 (P/VP), 85 (S), and 90 (H) would be some sort of horrible limit on office holders. Average life expectancy if you make it to 65 is 82 for men and 86 for women.

So, the amendment would just set up reality that we want office holders to be able to commit to live and function through their terms...and actually do their job...

Posted by: Nova Local at July 08, 2024 12:11 PM (exHjb)

419 Siskel named Saturday Night Fever one of the best movies of the year the year it came out.

Loved it a lot, he did.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, laughing at the clowns with Preston Sturges at July 08, 2024 12:09 PM (GBKbO)
*****
Siskel would have loved Pride Month too.

Posted by: torabora at July 08, 2024 12:11 PM (Gfelq)

420 >Ugh.....Initial reports are wife will need a port and will have to do chemo after surgery.

Damn........
Posted by: Sponge -

I went thru that about 20 years ago
and it takes a few hours, and this was before smart phones or iPods to pass the time
BOR-ING

Stay Strong, Sponges

Posted by: Don Black at July 08, 2024 12:11 PM (/7KEl)

421 I have no idea why it was so popular at the time.
Posted by: Elric Blade at July 08, 2024

John Travolta was hot, the music and the dancing. Disco and the clubs were the thing. I was 5 when it came out, so I don’t remember it at all, but that is the reason for it.
Posted by: Piper at July 08, 2024 12:04 PM (p4NUW)
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Yes. But there is actually very little dancing. It's not a "dance movie" at all. But that's how it was marketed.

And Travolta was indeed very good in the role, and certainly had the looks and moves, but his character was a total scumbag. ("Would you stick your dick in a spic? Does it get bigger in a nigger?") They all were. It's a sleazy, slimy movie with a sleazy, slimy 1970s NYC as the backdrop.

Posted by: Elric Blade at July 08, 2024 12:11 PM (iFTx/)

422 421 And Travolta was indeed very good in the role, and certainly had the looks and moves, but his character was a total scumbag. ("Would you stick your dick in a spic? Does it get bigger in a nigger?") They all were. It's a sleazy, slimy movie with a sleazy, slimy 1970s NYC as the backdrop.
Posted by: Elric Blade at July 08, 2024 12:11 PM (iFTx/)

========

Still better than Midnight Cowboy!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, laughing at the clowns with Preston Sturges at July 08, 2024 12:12 PM (GBKbO)

423 In Alabama now you can buy ammo from vending machines. I wonder if they will now offer bird shot
from the machines?
Posted by: Maj. Healey

Oklahoma too.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2024 12:12 PM (PrOMo)

424 You want to watch a worldwide sensation of a movie that today is barely watchable? Saturday Night Fever. It was before my time, but it took the world by storm. Watching it now, it's so seedy and sleazy -- not to mention misogynistic and racist -- you need to take a shower after you watch it. I have no idea why it was so popular at the time.
Posted by: Elric Blade at July 08, 2024

***
It had energy -- one of the few movie musicals that even musical haters could like, because the music is in the disco, not people singing in the streets. And yes, the people are not that likable, but Travolta gave Tony a certain decency.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024 12:13 PM (J2vNu)

425 415 A more pressing question: Why did he make "Dr. Detroit?" Did he really hate us that much?
Posted by: Blame It On gp's Juice at July 08, 2024 12:10 PM (0kOrM)

Better than Nothing But Trouble.

Posted by: XTC at July 08, 2024 12:13 PM (UnA8+)

426 I always thought Saturday Night Fever was gay and so was Vinnie Barbarino.

Posted by: fd at July 08, 2024 12:13 PM (vFG9F)

427 > It was supposedly set in Scranton and it just didn't look or feel like Scranton.
----

Yeah, the TV Scranton looked nothing like southern California

Posted by: Don Black at July 08, 2024 12:13 PM (/7KEl)

428 I'm sure this will turn out just as well as many of their prescribed burns.

This seems to be a common solution to many problems on the Left: To save democracy we need to destroy: Trump, MAGAs, Christians, Jews and don't forget Farmers and their farting cows.

Posted by: Next2Nothing at July 08, 2024 12:13 PM (tA1/w)

429 @421

>>Yes. But there is actually very little dancing. It's not a "dance movie" at all. But that's how it was marketed.

It's a good human interest story.

Think of it as Rocky set against a background of Disco and Dance Clubs.

Also Travolta was wildly popular and likeable after Grease.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 08, 2024 12:13 PM (XV/Pl)

430 Posted by: Nova Local at July 08, 2024 12:11 PM (exHjb)

Preaching to the choir here. I’ve advocated for mandatory retirement age for all Federal positions , elected or appointed ,including the SC for years.

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2024 12:13 PM (SHMXB)

431 How about two terms in ALL Federal offices. No getting your beak wet for more than TWO WINING ELECTIONS.

IM TIRED OF THEM ALL.
Democrats more than Republicans usually.

Posted by: torabora at July 08, 2024 12:13 PM (Gfelq)

432 424 It had energy -- one of the few movie musicals that even musical haters could like, because the music is in the disco, not people singing in the streets. And yes, the people are not that likable, but Travolta gave Tony a certain decency.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024 12:13 PM (J2vNu)

======

Spoilers:

Doesn't Tony give up the dancing award at the end to the Hispanic couple whom, he felt, were robbed by the judges because of their race?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, laughing at the clowns with Preston Sturges at July 08, 2024 12:13 PM (GBKbO)

433 This is decidedly odd.

https://youtu.be/5nayP3dKb2o

A Chubby Girl's Trip to a Secret Hot Spring

5 minutes as described and 5 minutes singing in the car on the way home. The singing is pleasant but the words are japanese. And "chubby" is also culturally relative.

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at July 08, 2024 12:14 PM (6JcJC)

434 Siskel named Saturday Night Fever one of the best movies of the year the year it came out.

Loved it a lot, he did.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, laughing at the clowns with Preston Sturges at July 08, 2024 12:09 PM (GBKbO)
*****
Siskel would have loved Pride Month too.
Posted by: torabora at July 08, 2024 12:11 PM (Gfelq)
______

It's actually well-made, well-written, well-acted, and has a surprisingly deep script. My comments above don't go to the quality of the movie as a movie. My comments go to the subject matter.

Posted by: Elric Blade at July 08, 2024 12:14 PM (iFTx/)

435 "Better than Nothing But Trouble.
Posted by: XTC "

I like that movie. It's very strange.

Posted by: fd at July 08, 2024 12:14 PM (vFG9F)

436 My brother has 5 owls.
His daughter in Kindergarten kept talking about her owl.
The teacher became concerned and called my brother to inquire about this owl.
Brother says no she doesn't have an owl, she has 5.
Teacher asks if my brother would bring one in for the class.
He does. He brings the one that bonded with her.
They are all out on the playground when my brother gets there. He releases the owl and she flew right up to his daughter and started nuzzling her.
She was the coolest kid in the class from then on out.

Posted by: Reforger at July 08, 2024 12:14 PM (xcIvR)

437 I wonder how the idea of tapping out at a certain age as a good idea is viewed by how old you are currently. If it’s when you’re eligible for social sec, that is 62. That is less than 10 years away for me. I am teaching group fitness glasses multiple times a day, and don’t feel like I am even 53 (29). I don’t think I am going to tumble down hill in the next 9 years. Just seems awfully young. Because I am not far from it! Haha.

Posted by: Piper at July 08, 2024 12:14 PM (p4NUW)

438 > In Alabama now you can buy ammo from vending machines.
---------
They scan your ID and your face, don't they?

Seems like a data collection tool disguised as vending machine.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 08, 2024 12:14 PM (Q4IgG)

439 **
It had energy -- one of the few movie musicals that even musical haters could like, because the music is in the disco, not people singing in the streets. And yes, the people are not that likable, but Travolta gave Tony a certain decency.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
*************
Disco sucked.

Posted by: Cosda at July 08, 2024 12:14 PM (TO2BB)

440 435 "Better than Nothing But Trouble.
Posted by: XTC "

I like that movie. It's very strange.
Posted by: fd at July 08, 2024 12:14 PM (vFG9F)

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Aykroyd is an outright crazy person.

He needs someone else there to take his 400 page long scripts, find the good stuff, and cut out the rest.

It's what happened on both The Blues Brothers and Ghostbusters.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, laughing at the clowns with Preston Sturges at July 08, 2024 12:14 PM (GBKbO)

441 Posted by: Blame It On gp's Juice at July 08, 2024 12:10 PM (0kOrM)

Better than Nothing But Trouble.
Posted by: XTC at July 08, 2024 12:13 PM (UnA8

As bad as that movie is it will given night mares.

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at July 08, 2024 12:15 PM (OiAR7)

442 Doesn't Tony give up the dancing award at the end to the Hispanic couple whom, he felt, were robbed by the judges because of their race?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, laughing at the clowns with Preston Sturges at July 08, 2024

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I don't recall, but if so, that's a mark in his favor.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024 12:15 PM (J2vNu)

443 If you have ever stood for election you're ineligible to be on the Supreme Court.

We have to get medieval with that bunch. Put them to the sword, draw and quarter, keel haul you get the picture.

Posted by: torabora at July 08, 2024 12:15 PM (Gfelq)

444 You want to watch a worldwide sensation of a movie that today is barely watchable? Saturday Night Fever. It was before my time, but it took the world by storm. Watching it now, it's so seedy and sleazy -- not to mention misogynistic and racist -- you need to take a shower after you watch it. I have no idea why it was so popular at the time.
Posted by: Elric Blade at July 08, 2024

***
It had energy -- one of the few movie musicals that even musical haters could like, because the music is in the disco, not people singing in the streets. And yes, the people are not that likable, but Travolta gave Tony a certain decency.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024 12:13 PM (J2vNu)
_________

I suggest you watch it again. I doubt you'll have the same opinion. And make sure it's the original R-Rated version. There are tamed-down PG-13 versions.

Posted by: Elric Blade at July 08, 2024 12:15 PM (iFTx/)

445 It had energy -- one of the few movie musicals that even musical haters could like, because the music is in the disco, not people singing in the streets. And yes, the people are not that likable, but Travolta gave Tony a certain decency.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
*************
Disco sucked.
Posted by: Cosda at July 08, 2024

***
Disco at its best (Donna Summer, e.g.) was *exciting.*

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024 12:16 PM (J2vNu)

446 Yes. But there is actually very little dancing. It's not a "dance movie" at all. But that's how it was marketed.

I don’t think there was ‘very little ‘ dancing.

Besides still liking SNF I’m also one of the few who really liked Staying Alive.

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2024 12:16 PM (SHMXB)

447 402 Ugh.....Initial reports are wife will need a port and will have to do chemo after surgery.

Damn........
Posted by: Sponge
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Prayers for the best result possible for your wife and you.

Posted by: whig at July 08, 2024 12:16 PM (nJXKb)

448 Hah, Dr. Detroit - but what a great theme song!

Posted by: actually inside the beltway at July 08, 2024 12:16 PM (ntk8v)

449 Disco at its best (Donna Summer, e.g.) was *exciting.*
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024 12:16 PM (J2vNu)

Disco Doof agrees!

Posted by: Doof at July 08, 2024 12:16 PM (RhGG0)

450 Watching it now, it's so seedy and sleazy -- not to mention misogynistic and racist

-

I bet it's less so than in our current error, just that we've been conditioned for the last few decades to avoid noticing it and to pretend it doesn't happen.

See also the related: Gay married black men with gay children in Lexus commercials targeting wealthy married white women.

I bet the portrayal of reality is part of what makes it a compelling and good movie.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - like Magic Johnson always said - Stay positive! at July 08, 2024 12:17 PM (PvlNq)

451 445 Disco at its best (Donna Summer, e.g.) was *exciting.*
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024 12:16 PM (J2vNu)

WTF?

That's the ANTITHESIS of Military Badassery!

Posted by: XTC at July 08, 2024 12:17 PM (UnA8+)

452 Also, Disco never really went away, it simply morphed into EDM, Industrial and Techno.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 08, 2024 12:17 PM (XV/Pl)

453 Saturday Night Fever was the well deserved last nail in the coffin of Disco.
Best movie ever on that point alone.
It should still be getting awards.

Posted by: Reforger at July 08, 2024 12:18 PM (xcIvR)

454 It's actually well-made, well-written, well-acted, and has a surprisingly deep script. My comments above don't go to the quality of the movie as a movie. My comments go to the subject matter.
Posted by: Elric Blade at July 08, 2024 12:14 PM (iFTx/)

Did you ever go out to Discos?

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2024 12:18 PM (SHMXB)

455 And Travolta was indeed very good in the role, and certainly had the looks and moves, but his character was a total scumbag. ("Would you stick your dick in a spic? Does it get bigger in a nigger?") They all were. It's a sleazy, slimy movie with a sleazy, slimy 1970s NYC as the backdrop.
Posted by: Elric Blade at July 08, 2024 12:11 PM (iFTx/)

========

Still better than Midnight Cowboy!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, laughing at the clowns with Preston Sturges at July 08, 2024 12:12 PM (GBKbO)
_______

True, but SNF is at least as dirty and sleazy as MC (and Taxi Driver for that matter). As I mention above, it's not a "dance movie" at all. It's got maybe 10 minutes of actual dancing. It's a depressing character study of a bunch of scumbag losers doing scumbag loser things. Only at the end does Tony have some kind of awakening.

Posted by: Elric Blade at July 08, 2024 12:18 PM (iFTx/)

456 408 Why is Aykroyd pronounced "Ack-roid" rather than "Ache-roid"?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
========
Rhymes better with hemorrhoid.

Posted by: whig at July 08, 2024 12:18 PM (nJXKb)

457 I'm sure it's been said already...but the thing that really upsets me is that nobody...and I mean NO ONE that was part of this deception will pay a price. At all. Ever.

I'd like to start with destroying the Sierra Club for starters. Nothing but a communist watermelon organization. And if I'm not mistaken, deeply involved in this lie from the beginning.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at July 08, 2024 12:19 PM (ts5vn)

458 In Alabama now you can buy ammo from vending machines.
---------
They scan your ID and your face, don't they?

Seems like a data collection tool disguised as vending machine.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at July 08, 2024 12:14 PM (Q4IgG
****
California thinks it's a crime for residents to buy guns and ammo out of state. I know they're full of shit but I don't have a couple million laying around to shove their stupid laws up their collective asses.

Posted by: torabora at July 08, 2024 12:19 PM (Gfelq)

459 421 Yes. But there is actually very little dancing. It's not a "dance movie" at all. But that's how it was marketed.

Posted by: Elric Blade at July

Scumbags exist in the world, so they exist in movies. I have never seen it, chances are low I will at the point. Sounds…amazing. 😂

Posted by: Piper at July 08, 2024 12:19 PM (p4NUW)

460 Disco sucked.
-

All these years I thought it was "duck"

Posted by: Moron Robbie - like Magic Johnson always said - Stay positive! at July 08, 2024 12:19 PM (PvlNq)

461 "Did you ever go out to Discos?"

No, but I had a leisure suit.

Posted by: Blame It On gp's Juice at July 08, 2024 12:19 PM (0kOrM)

462 I bet the portrayal of reality is part of what makes it a compelling and good movie.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - like Magic Johnson always said - Stay positive! at July 08, 2024

***
Realism: Tony works in a paint or hardware store; he's not in a glamorous occupation. The glamor in his life comes from dancing and the accolades he receives from people who watch him.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024 12:19 PM (J2vNu)

463 [i In Alabama now you can buy ammo from vending machines.
Posted by: Maj. Healey

"Thief tips over ammo vending machine; takes 2000 rounds"

Posted by: ambiguous headlines at July 08, 2024 12:19 PM (NY/vd)

464 Is it a movie thread now?

Posted by: Just got here at July 08, 2024 12:19 PM (JX624)

465 ARE YOU ENTERTAINED!

Posted by: torabora at July 08, 2024 12:19 PM (Gfelq)

466 464 Is it a movie thread now?
Posted by: Just got here at July 08, 2024 12:19 PM (JX624)

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I don't get it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, laughing at the clowns with Preston Sturges at July 08, 2024 12:20 PM (GBKbO)

467 453 Saturday Night Fever was the well deserved last nail in the coffin of Disco.
Best movie ever on that point alone.
It should still be getting awards.
Posted by: Reforger
======
Liked the Airplane sendup scene of the penultimate dance scene in Saturday Night Fever.

Never cared for disco---I was into Zappa, Who, and other hard rock bands.

Posted by: whig at July 08, 2024 12:20 PM (nJXKb)

468 If this goes through, a few years from now the barred owl will be listed as endangered, and the cycle will repeat, and another human action or right will be abrogated, and another funding source discovered. If not part of the plan, then a happy unintended consequence.

Posted by: Ex Rex Reeder at July 08, 2024 12:20 PM (MZ+PY)

469 Let's face it. Most 70s movies sucked.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 08, 2024 12:20 PM (v6JzV)

470 Realism: Tony works in a paint or hardware store; he's not in a glamorous occupation. The glamor in his life comes from dancing and the accolades he receives from people who watch him.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

-

Now we get women who start out awesome and will only get more awesome if everyone acknowledges that they're awesome.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - like Magic Johnson always said - Stay positive! at July 08, 2024 12:21 PM (PvlNq)

471 Disco sucked

Quack Quack

Posted by: Nine at July 08, 2024 12:21 PM (Vu7A1)

472 It's actually well-made, well-written, well-acted, and has a surprisingly deep script. My comments above don't go to the quality of the movie as a movie. My comments go to the subject matter.
Posted by: Elric Blade at July 08, 2024 12:14 PM (iFTx/)

Did you ever go out to Discos?
Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2024 12:18 PM (SHMXB)
________

Before my time. And while I did later hit the NYC club scene pretty hard, that was like a boyscout jamboree compared to the SNL disco scene as portrayed in the movie.

Posted by: Elric Blade at July 08, 2024 12:21 PM (iFTx/)

473 Disco at its best (Donna Summer, e.g.) was *exciting.*
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024
*
WTF?

That's the ANTITHESIS of Military Badassery!
Posted by: XTC at July 08, 2024 1

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"She Works Hard For the Money" *always* makes me want to get out on the highway and put my foot down on the pedal.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024 12:21 PM (J2vNu)

474 @466

>>I don't get it.

Since we can't virtually go bowling, we talk about film.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at July 08, 2024 12:21 PM (XV/Pl)

475 I'd love to see Lifetime remake Saturday Night Fever, Midnight Cowboy, etc.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - like Magic Johnson always said - Stay positive! at July 08, 2024 12:21 PM (PvlNq)

476 469 Let's face it. Most 70s movies sucked.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 08, 2024 12:20 PM (v6JzV)

and even with that, they were still better than movies made after 2015 by a 10-1 margin.

Posted by: Tom Servo at July 08, 2024 12:21 PM (wyMQY)

477 469 Let's face it. Most 70s movies sucked.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 08, 2024 12:20 PM (v6JzV)

Repent, Sinner.

Posted by: XTC at July 08, 2024 12:21 PM (UnA8+)

478 NOOD

Posted by: Doof at July 08, 2024 12:22 PM (RhGG0)

479 These enviro-fucks did the same thing at Ft Benning over 45 years ago. There were vast parts of the post where no maneuvers could be conducted because they would disturb the red-cockaded woodpecker. I'm not kidding. Ask me how I know.

Posted by: Chairborne!...Desk From Above! at July 08, 2024 12:22 PM (ts5vn)

480 Seems like a data collection tool disguised as vending machine.
Posted by: Martini Farmer
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Been shopping recently--Home Depot and Lowes, among a lot of others like Wal Mart use facial scanners and videoing you nowadays at the register plus they sell the info of what you are buying to data brokers.

Posted by: whig at July 08, 2024 12:22 PM (nJXKb)

481 Noodus bidenia prep

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024 12:22 PM (J2vNu)

482 466 464 Is it a movie thread now?
Posted by: Just got here at July 08, 2024 12:19 PM (JX624)

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I don't get it.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, laughing at the clowns with Preston Sturges at July 08, 2024 12:20 PM (GBKbO)

Time to talk about Prometheus!

Posted by: DoublySymmetric at July 08, 2024 12:22 PM (iSfV4)

483 473 "She Works Hard For the Money" *always* makes me want to get out on the highway and put my foot down on the pedal.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at July 08, 2024 12:21 PM (J2vNu)

What makes you want to march onto the battlefield and bayonet a commie?

Posted by: XTC at July 08, 2024 12:22 PM (UnA8+)

484 Let's face it. Most 70s movies sucked.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at July 08, 2024 12:20 PM

What? No love for me?

Posted by: Herbie at July 08, 2024 12:23 PM (ZANHd)

485 Speaking of leisure suits, I had one which is now a family heirloom which has been worn by three generations to events.

Myself, my youngest daughter and my middle grandson.

Who knew crushed Corduroy would stand the test of time?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at July 08, 2024 12:23 PM (tT6L1)

486 272 I hated the way they made Steve Carell's character, the office manager, into a clueless buffoon. (Disclosure: I am an office manager)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius,

Sorry. Office managers are universally clucks. It's in the bylaws and requirements.

Posted by: Section 3, Paragraph 2 at July 08, 2024 12:23 PM (V5BDR)

487 Commies just like killing shit.

Posted by: look whats not at July 08, 2024 12:25 PM (nakGR)

488 "Thief tips over ammo vending machine; takes 2000 rounds"

Imagine this label but for a machine holding product that weighs at least 10X that of a soda machine.

http://www.stlvendingparts.biz/DLAA6526A302

Posted by: A. Fauci at July 08, 2024 12:25 PM (/y8xj)

489 The 70’s had some of the best movies ever .

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2024 12:25 PM (SHMXB)

490 489 The 70’s had some of the best movies ever .
Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2024 12:25 PM (SHMXB)

Rollerball is severely underappreciated.

Posted by: XTC at July 08, 2024 12:26 PM (UnA8+)

491 437. I wonder how the idea of tapping out at a certain age as a good idea is viewed by how old you are currently. If it’s when you’re eligible for social sec, that is 62.

Age 62 (exactly)

And you are the: Wage Earner, the Retirement Benefit you will receive is reduced to 70.0%

And you are the: Spouse, the Retirement Benefit you will receive is reduced to 32.5%
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Age 67, get 100% of benefits; 50% of spouses.
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Wait until age 70, maximum benefits.

Posted by: L - If they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you, too at July 08, 2024 12:28 PM (NFX2v)

492 so it would appear
that the lefties
are willing to kill the defenseless
-and kill a lot of it-
in order to accomplish their "climate goals"
keep this in mind if you live in a blue state
and somebody from the government
knocks on your door
and says "hi-im here to take your guns"

Posted by: sound awake at July 08, 2024 12:29 PM (Ewmgs)

493 If you like your barred owl you can keep your barred owl.

How about deploying sharpshooters in the western forests to cull the cartel weed growing operations?

Leave the owl, take the [fill n the blank]

Posted by: haffhowershower at July 08, 2024 12:31 PM (TE16Z)

494 The publishing in the coming days of a final environmental study on the proposal will open a 30-day comment period before a final decision is made."
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Sounds a bit like DIE and nepotism, like most government programs. Anyway...

So get on the Federal Register within the 30 day comment period and register comments regarding this proposal by the The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

Do you have a link?

Posted by: Gonzotx at July 08, 2024 12:36 PM (YjECI)

495 432
‘ Doesn't Tony give up the dancing award …’

Yes, he does . He thinks he lost to the Puerto Ricans but someone tells him the fix is in.
So he gives the award away after he is declared the winner.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at July 08, 2024 12:39 PM (jbnUc)

496 All you have to do to understand the goals of THE MOB is watch how they attempt to control every living thing.

What they have proposed for wildlife pales in comparison to what they would do to "invasive" humans.

The left kills everything they don't like.

Posted by: melodicmetal1 at July 08, 2024 01:01 PM (XLfSN)

497 So, the feds have decreed equity for owls. If the one species doesn't do well enough, kill enough of the other, more prolific species to bring their numbers into balance.

But gosh, they'd never apply equity to humans. Would they?

Posted by: Nemo at July 08, 2024 01:11 PM (S6ArX)

498 There is a new war. We must declare war against nature.

Posted by: Mao at July 08, 2024 01:22 PM (Nt9p1)

499
What makes you want to march onto the battlefield and bayonet a commie?
Posted by: XTC at July 08, 2024 12:22 PM (UnA8+)

Testament “Seven Days In May”

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at July 08, 2024 01:25 PM (Nt9p1)

500 If you kill a million barred owls, you end up with ten zillion more mice and chipmunks and squirrels and rabbits.

And then, the rodents move into human houses and eat human crops, because there's not enough owls eating them before they breed, and the forest food is all gone and they're starving.

Posted by: Suburbanbanshee at July 08, 2024 01:39 PM (sF8WE)

501 499
What makes you want to march onto the battlefield and bayonet a commie?
Posted by: XTC at July 08, 2024 12:22 PM (UnA8+)

The Army promised me I'd get to kill commies, we sang about it daily on our runs. They failed to deliver. I'm still waiting for my opportunity.

Posted by: Fra Fillipo at July 08, 2024 02:02 PM (Nge8H)

502 Spotted Owls must have $$$ and lobbyists behind them. Always get good press and consistently for 40+ years. Like the gay lobby.
Posted by: It's All A Scam! at July 08, 2024 11:24 AM (V5BDR)

its the only thing notable out of the Pacific NW aside from Starbucks in a generation. That and Portland Riots.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 08, 2024 02:47 PM (eoQWY)

503 Aykroyd is an outright crazy person.

He needs someone else there to take his 400 page long scripts, find the good stuff, and cut out the rest.

It's what happened on both The Blues Brothers and Ghostbusters.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, laughing at the clowns with Preston Sturges at July 08, 2024 12:14 PM (GBKbO)

Its pretty common for quality to suffer when the writers outgrow the editors and nothing can be cut. I read the first several Wheel of Time books which was a boilerplate LOTR but the books kept coming and getting longer in text but shorter in events. I called the last one I bought "Rand al Thor's Breakfast" because nothing happened in its 500 pages or so.

Posted by: Oldcat at July 08, 2024 02:55 PM (eoQWY)

504 Where's the Audubon Society when the Owls need them? The Audubon Society was created to Protect and Save Birds. Have they replaced it with Politics and this Global Warming/Climate Change Scam?

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at July 08, 2024 04:18 PM (wGqjj)

505 So does this mean when a new group moves into another's territory and starts crowding out those who lived there already, it's government policy to shoot the newcomers? Someone tell the DHS, stat!

Funny how this concern over invasive species crowding out the natives only seems to apply to animals and plants, not to human cultures, at least not in our present time.

Posted by: Enoch at July 08, 2024 05:46 PM (1gif2)

506 decades of conflict between conservationists and timber companies
No. Those people were never conservationists. They were always "environmentalists."

Posted by: GWB at July 08, 2024 09:57 PM (AWrpC)

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