Gun Thread: Late June Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Holy Shitballs! How in the ever-loving Hell did it get to be late June? And why is it so hot? Oh, right, unless you live at the North Pole it's supposed to be hot in June. Evidently we're in a "heat dome" as the weather people are now calling it. Not like it hasn't happened before, it was just called summer.

Anyhoo...

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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PSA - Buying Ammo
For almost as long as I have been writing the Gun Thread I have been including a recommendation to buy ammo. Recently I have started to hear reports that loaded ammunition, smokeless powder and other reloading components may again soon become difficult to find. The reasons (at least the ones I remember now) have to do with manufacturers focusing on military production, and also something to do with China controlling or otherwise manipulating the gunpowder ingredient supply of nitrocellulose. Whatever the case, in an election year it won't take much to send the retail markets into a tizzy.

How much is enough? Good question and please let me know if you figure it out. I guess the answer is to figure out how much you realistically shoot to maintain proficiency times the number of weeks/months/years you think the supply might be problematic.

Just a heads up. Take stock of what you have and prepare accordingly.

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FUNdamentals
Are you focusing on fundamentals?

This man has no watch!

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Guns of the Horde
This week our pal Ed L sends us a report on the FN Lightweight High Power he recently brought home.

The Belgian Gendarmerie's request in the mid-1970s for a lighter sidearm gave birth to the lightweight variant of the FN High Power. Officers complaining about the total weight of their sidearm and additional gear on their duty belts led the Belgian Ministry of Defense to request FN to develop a lighter version of the standard FN High Power. FN responded with a lightweight alloy frame variant of the FN High Power. This pistol is a surplus example acquired from AIM Surplus in January 2024 (thanks to whig for the tip).

Externally, this pistol is identical to a steel frame High Power from the same period. You will have to pick up the pistol to identify it as having an aluminum alloy frame. The slide has FN's black enamel finish for its military contracts, while the frame is anodized. The soft edges to the lettering on the slide, and clear wear on the finish on the left rear of the slide indicate that this pistol went through refinishing at least once during its career. The "RN"; in the serial number is a code that shows this pistol was made in 1979. The black plastic grips are original from FN for the late 1970s. A hole on left side at the base of the grip indicates that this pistol originally had a lanyard loop. This indicates that this pistol was either a military or police sidearm, since only military contract High Powers included this feature.

The alloy frame High Power is still controllable when fired, thanks to the ergonomics of the grip. Those with large hands may still experience hammer bite in the web of the hand between the thumb and index finger, though. The sights are basic rear notch and front blade. This target was shot off hand at 10 yards using Federal 124 grain Syntech ammunition.

The 13 round magazine included with the pistol is spring-loaded. This feature allows the magazine to drop free from the grip when the magazine release button is depressed. High Power magazines will not normally drop free from the grip by design. The user will have to pull the empty magazine free from the grip.
Few alloy frame High Powers were ever sold commercially in the US. Practically the entire production run went to fill FN contracts in Europe. The Belgian Gendarmerie and Belgian police forces received the majority of alloy frame High Powers, although some went to other European police forces. If you're interested in an original FN High Power, AIM Surplus has these on sale (as of June 2024) for $899 each. That's significantly more than some other choices, but it's a lot less than what you'll have to pay for an original FN High Power today. The FN Lightweight High Power may be a vintage firearm, but if equipped with 15 round MEC-GAR magazines, it's still viable as a concealed carry pistol today.
Source: "FN Browning Pistols, Sidearms That Shaped World History," by Anthony Vanderlinden, 3rd Edition

Outstanding as always, Ed L! Congratulations and thank you very much!

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Katana Korner

If you missed the WeaselKatana backstory so far, please click here to get with the program.

Progress continues with the latest from our pal and togishi, Dave. Last week we saw the results from the Arato and Binsui-do stones, and this week we move along to the Chu-nagura stones!

Chu-nagura coarser - click to make more bigly

This is the chu-nagura stone. I usually use two different chu-nagura stones, one coarser and one finer to more effectively remove all of the remaining diagonal scratches from the kaisei-do. These photos are by no means text book perfect examples of each stage of polishing. They are more like, just what it happened to look like when I stopped for lunch or something and felt that there was enough progress to warrant an updated photo.
With traditional hand polishing you do five or ten strokes, then stop and clean off the blade. Evaluate your progress. Plan out your next five to ten strokes. Then repeat. With this type of slow methodical progress it is possible to get very meticulous and precise results, removing only exactly what needs to be removed and no more. In contrast, when someone tries to use a power sander or grinder to do this type of work, it only takes a single second to move a line, create a dip too deep to remove, or even cause thermal damage to the edge. The extreme amount of time this hand work takes makes it very difficult to be profitable. That is why pretty much nobody does it any more.

Chu-nagura finer - click to make more bigly

Here is the second finer chu-nagura stone. Now the blade has gone from scratchy and gray to shiny, but still largely lacking in forging details other than a few of the looser welds showing. You may not be able to see in this picture, but the scratches in the shinogi-ji (upper surface) are now lengthwise and the scratches in the ji (lower surface) are at a deep slanting angle. In sword polishing each stone is done at a different angle to make it possible to separate the previous stones coarser scratches from the finer scratches of the current stone. This method makes it possible to be 100% certain that all older scratches have been removed before moving on to the next stone.

I detect shininess! I detect shininess! The ol' blade is really coming along don't you think? Just FYI, I have special Japanese choji oil and white cotton gloves on standby for proper handling and maintenance once I have it back, but first there is still more polishing to be done, so stay tuned!

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Repair Your Butt Crack!

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Managing Recoil

About an hour long, so you may want to save this one for later.

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1911 Field Stripping

Q: Weasel, is it possible to watch too many 1911 videos?
A: No. Unpossible.

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Garand Restoration
Weasel wept through most of this one.

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Career Change in Mind?
Remember when service people were pleasant and worked at their jobs in a conscientious manner?

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Fast Freight!

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Musical Interlude
The Stones and Gimme Shelter

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Gun Basics 101
New video from the She Equips Herself gal! This week's video compares .38 snubbys..

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Cigar of the Week

This week our pal Diogenes scores again with this excellent review of the Montecristo Platinum Series Robusto

So after a couple weeks off and a trip to Texas, I was finally able to get back to the cave of Diogenes to sit back to enjoy yet another stick from the great sample bag. So out of the humidor popped one of the Montecristo Platinum Series Robusto. The website says this cigar offers a "bolder, richer blend, wrapped in a dark, Mexican Cubano leaf, the well-balanced blend of Dominican, Nicaraguan, and Peruvian long-leaf fillers will give you that fuller bodied cigar... " Ummmm, yeah, about that.
I have usually scored well with the Montecristo brand but this one was a Tale of Two Cigars.

Excellent, Diogenes! Thank you!

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Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar.

Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com
Nicks Cigar World New!

A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid

Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!

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Ammo Link-O-Rama
I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop
American Elite Ammo NEW!

***Mail Bag***

This week's mailbag entry is from our pal WTM. Looks uncomfortable.

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 Hood evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2024 07:00 PM (fwDg9)

2 Evening All!

You were missed Friday Weasel.

On to the content!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 23, 2024 07:01 PM (f0/sc)

3 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at June 23, 2024 07:01 PM (yRXSd)

4 Frost?

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 07:02 PM (IFNME)

5 Good evening horde. Thanks Weasel!

Posted by: TRex at June 23, 2024 07:02 PM (IQ6Gq)

6 Here!
But chicken just off the gril. Bbl.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2024 07:02 PM (nCaYE)

7 I read the content. Rookie move.

Good evening gub threaders and all the ships at sea.

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 07:03 PM (IFNME)

8 If the dude in that bottom picture farts, he may be in for a big surprise.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2024 07:04 PM (W/lyH)

9 Sweet!

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 07:05 PM (AWrpC)

10 Yay! Gubs!

We missed you in NH, Weasel San.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 23, 2024 07:05 PM (bJGD1)

11 I got an order of actual bulk ammo - 1000 rds of loose 9mm in a box. I have some 3d printed 192 round trays that go in an ammo case, and packed up some empty 50 round boxes that are easy for transport to the range. While repacking found I had more 9mm on hand than I thought which is always nice.

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 07:05 PM (IFNME)

12 Saw Kieth Richard's and Ron Wood without the others at Knebworth 79.

Since the 4th is Thursday and have Friday off, think of trying out my home made black powder in my Brown Bess as blank cartridges. Should be able to get away that day

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2024 07:05 PM (fwDg9)

13 Guy leaning on shotgun is pretty stupid

Posted by: Skip at June 23, 2024 07:06 PM (fwDg9)

14 And that's a fine looking blade. Eagerly awaiting finished pics.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 23, 2024 07:06 PM (bJGD1)

15 Good afternoon.

Thanks again, Weasel.

Today's range report will be in two parts: Tool of the range and failure at the range.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 23, 2024 07:06 PM (tT6L1)

16 RE: last picture in the thread.

So that's why USMC gunnies make their Marines fix bayonets on their Mossberg 590A1s. You can't get away with that when you have a sharp pointy piece of steel on the business end of your shotgun.

Posted by: Ed L at June 23, 2024 07:07 PM (yRXSd)

17 Helpful video from the watchless man.

Posted by: TRex at June 23, 2024 07:07 PM (IQ6Gq)

18 Tactiuncool to have an 870 positioned in such a fashion.

Maybe closer to tactistupid.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 23, 2024 07:07 PM (tT6L1)

19 Ed L, nice High Power write up. Thanks.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 23, 2024 07:09 PM (tT6L1)

20 Also, Wednesday was steel shoot night. And the courses were lots of fun. The first stage had us go through a part where we had to lie prone and shoot some targets from the ground. Never did that with handguns before - long time ago in the Army thats how you shot rifles.

Anyway sra blaster and I were successful in not being dead last! Out of 45 shooters sra blaster finished #44 and I finished #38. So not awesome, but we both felt a lot more confident on the courses.

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 07:09 PM (IFNME)

21 "I have usually scored well with the Montecristo brand but this one was a Tale of Two Cigars."

Well? What's the tale?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 23, 2024 07:10 PM (d9fT1)

22 Wait... butt cracks are something you're supposed to repair!? I thought they were designed that way?

What? Why are you all looking at me that way?

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 07:10 PM (AWrpC)

23 I had a lovely reminder that shooting is complicated.

x yards...dialed it in and nailed the first shot.
y yards...dialed it in and nailed the first shot.
z yards...dialed it in and had no clue at all where my rounds were hitting!

This stuff is hard!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 23, 2024 07:12 PM (d9fT1)

24 Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 07:09 PM (IFNME)
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Slow and steady!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2024 07:12 PM (RG6z4)

25 Good evening, one and all. With the possibility of Interesting Times™ in the next few months, I'm contemplating bulk ammo purchases. I don't have many bang sticks in the house so that makes it a bit easier.

sigh Really need to find time to get to the local range.

Posted by: NR Pax at June 23, 2024 07:12 PM (CEq3z)

26 All my ins and outs of ammo is pretty much tracked by spreadsheet, therefore I know how much I shoot of each caliber per year. My spreadsheet highlights in red any calibers that I have less than 5 years of reserve so I know what to keep an eye out for.

Posted by: hatethedeepstate at June 23, 2024 07:12 PM (j3a7P)

27 Very cool with the blade, Weasel!
That last one is shiny enough you can almost tell what sort of phone he's using for the pics!

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 07:13 PM (AWrpC)

28 Evening y'all. About to head to dinner with the family so I'll catch up on the thread later.

FYI, it looks like primers are coming back onto the shelves. Sheel's had Winchester, CCI, and Federals on the shelf yesterday with prices right less than $100/1000.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 23, 2024 07:15 PM (/y8xj)

29 Looks uncomfortable.
Ummm, about that "butt crack repair" comment earlier. I think I can see the need for some people now....

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 07:15 PM (AWrpC)

30 Also a twist on one of the stages at the steel shoot. We were told to load AT LEAST 32 rounds in 3 mags - and they recommended loading all the way up.

Turned out that we were allowed to take follow up shots on things we missed. Mulligans! You just had to make sure to keep count of how many extra shots. This also gave an advantage to those with higher capacity mags. Well, kinda. They could take more mulligans. But of course that took more time.

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 07:15 PM (IFNME)

31 Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 07:13 PM (AWrpC)
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It's coming right along!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2024 07:15 PM (RG6z4)

32 Weasel, your katana looks nice, can't wait to see what the end product looks like.

Ed l, always with the interesting firearms and their stories. May she bring you much happiness in the future. :-)

So, I did go to the range this week!!!
But only put about 10 shots through my rifle.
All at the 100 yard zeroing target with nary a hit.
We did a bore site and had the elevation cranked all the way down and the reticle was still way above the target. I do not know what happened to the scope.

Everything was fine in October when I was shooting down in TX. It stayed in the Pelican case for quite a few months until I moved it to its regular case. And back into the Pelican for the drive up to NH.
Will crack open the manual on the scope and see if I there is something I can do to repair.

Otherwise had a great time spotting for the others. (There were actually 3 spotters helping out, can't just sit there and do nothing) ;-)

Will let the others go over their highlights at the 1000 yard range.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 23, 2024 07:16 PM (f0/sc)

33 26 All my ins and outs of ammo is pretty much tracked by spreadsheet, therefore I know how much I shoot of each caliber per year. My spreadsheet highlights in red any calibers that I have less than 5 years of reserve so I know what to keep an eye out for.
Posted by: hatethedeepstate at June 23, 2024 07:12 PM (j3a7P)

That is commitment. Hats off!

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 07:17 PM (IFNME)

34 Will let the others go over their highlights at the 1000 yard range.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 23, 2024 07:16 PM

Elevation, spot on. Windage...WTF?!

If you can call that a highlight.

Great conditions for spotting bullet trace, though.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 23, 2024 07:17 PM (nsjDT)

35 Range report 1: Yesterday was our club silhouette match. 200 to 500 meters, 20 targets total. I though I had a decent chance of exceeding my previous score. Then, the match started. Down three points, from 16 out of 20 to 13. Drat.

I did learn, though, seating is important. Forgetting the adjustable stool I have for shooting purposes is a really bad idea.

I was not the only one having trouble getting it done and didn't come in last. Faint comfort, I know.

Another thing I found out: I really need to spend more time on that range getting things dialed in. We have plates at all of the appropriate ranges, suitable for practice But, life gets in the way and sometimes all I have time to do is shoot the match. Next month will be better, hopefully. But, enough whining. Only my third match and I got to talk rifle shooting with guys who have years of experience over me. I may not have shot well, but the education is more than worth the failure.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 23, 2024 07:18 PM (tT6L1)

36 @blaster, not being last at something you've just started doing is excellent. Good job!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 23, 2024 07:19 PM (tT6L1)

37 Just loaned my Benelli M2 to my brother with a box of steel shot, - can't be too overly conscientious of the well-being of Mother Gaia, - to deal with the pests on his property.

Semi-automatic shotgun fire is entertaining all on it's own.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 23, 2024 07:19 PM (dmXQN)

38 The Browning High Power is a beautiful thing to behold, Ed L.

Posted by: Eromero at June 23, 2024 07:20 PM (DXbAa)

39 Oh, and range report:
I did go to the range with my son on Wednesday (we both had a day off). We shot my new .22 LR pistol. It's a nice little gun. The first cylinder I was mostly jerking the trigger and anticipating recoil (that wasn't even there). By the second cylinder I was shooting nice little groups (for certain definitions of "little" and discounting flyers).

I was able to talk with my son about sight picture because of where he was consistently putting the .22 rounds initially. When we switched to the 9mm and .45, we brought those lessons with us and did better than before.

I also talked to him about support hand grip. He had his thumbs nicely parallel, but he was tea-cupping it. It was an odd combination. I got him to shift his hand up and he improved his consistency.
1/2

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 07:20 PM (AWrpC)

40 Apropos of that 1911 field strip video, Bud's Gunshop is advertising a Taylor & Co. GI M1911A1 clone for $369.99.

And I received my UB 1911 gun belt rig from Kirkpatrick Leather! Yay! Most comfortable holster rig for a 1911 that I've ever worn. And good looking, too. They say UB stands for Unfinished Business, but as far as I'm concerned, it stands for Understated Badass. Heh.

I don't open carry that often except for down at the farm, but when I do, this is the perfect setup!

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at June 23, 2024 07:21 PM (XX91A)

41 Guy leaning on shotgun is pretty stupid
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It could go off any minute!

The shotgun too.

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at June 23, 2024 07:21 PM (ZdexC)

42 Yes, slow and steady. Something they said at the intro to steel shoot class I took - you can't miss fast enough to win.

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 07:21 PM (IFNME)

43 So that's why USMC gunnies make their Marines fix bayonets on their Mossberg 590A1s.
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Stores here often have those for sale here. Well, Mossberg-friendly retailers at least.

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at June 23, 2024 07:23 PM (ZdexC)

44 2/2
I know I'm doing something wrong with my support hand because I'm still consistently shooting better one-handed. When I had him try shooting one-handed, he did better, too. So it's a family thing.

Anyone have ideas on why one-handed would be consistently better than two-handed? We both blade (turning our body) pretty well, being fencers.

(We're both very right-handed, with left-eye-dominance, if that makes a difference.)

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 07:24 PM (AWrpC)

45 And, one very important question:
Anyone know someone who shoots .22 TCM?

When I picked up the revolver at my FLGS, I asked for some .22 ammo. I found the one person in that store who doesn't know much about guns, and they handed me a box... and I didn't even look. I was wondering why it was so expensive, so I looked when I got home. Only then did my brain say, "Oh, that TCM."

I have 50 rounds of this stuff, and don't even know the last time I saw a weapon in that caliber. Anyone know someone who knows someone? I'd unload it for the cost of shipping unless someone knows an easier/better way.

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 07:27 PM (AWrpC)

46 >>>2/2
I know I'm doing something wrong with my support hand because I'm still consistently shooting better one-handed. When I had him try shooting one-handed, he did better, too. So it's a family thing.

Anyone have ideas on why one-handed would be consistently better than two-handed? We both blade (turning our body) pretty well, being fencers.

(We're both very right-handed, with left-eye-dominance, if that makes a difference.)

Posted by: GWB

>Right hand, left eye. Are you pulling right? Interesting.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 23, 2024 07:27 PM (dmXQN)

47 GWB, WAG, because you are used to handling you sword one handed. You have that whole point thing down with one hand and better muscle control on that side.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 23, 2024 07:28 PM (8i5Iz)

48 holy tar, it's gun thread! dude, where's my weekend ?
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a happy Field Day weekend to all of the HordeHams!

I'm'a grab a beer, a shower, & go to bed, in that order.

Nice Thread (as always!), Weasel ... very cool Hi-Power up there!
& really appreciate the KatanaKorner updates!

73 es gn

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - they have been lying to us for decades at June 23, 2024 07:29 PM (tQtDb)

49 Also spent some time this week watching videos on building gun ranges. Backstops are a thing, I guess. Who would have guessed?

Anyway, blaster acres in Florida has about 10 feet difference in elevation over the whole 120 acres. Going to have to make my hills I guess.

There is a place nearby that will bring you railroad ties for free so long as you take 300 of them. That may not be a bad idea.

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 07:29 PM (IFNME)

50 Just finishing watching that restoration video of that M1 Garand. Pity it's so far gone, but he did well to bring it up as far as he did. At least it's displayable now.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at June 23, 2024 07:30 PM (O7YUW)

51 You can't get away with that when you have a sharp pointy piece of steel on the business end of your shotgun.
Posted by: Ed L at June 23, 2024 07:07 PM (yRXSd)

Duh. You put the pointy end in the ground, then! It helps hold it in place better. And, safer... to a point.

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 07:30 PM (AWrpC)

52 ...If the dude in that bottom picture farts, he may be in for a big surprise. Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2024 07:04 PM (W/lyH)

This is the start of the You Tube video on "Converting your 870 to a Gas Operated Shotgun"

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 23, 2024 07:31 PM (e6UQI)

53 Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and a special no-shotguns-up-his-back-patio-entrance greeting to our host Weasel.

We adopted a basset hound puppy in the previous week, and the cuteness blocked me from range time today.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at June 23, 2024 07:31 PM (v23vE)

54 49 There is a place nearby that will bring you railroad ties for free so long as you take 300 of them. That may not be a bad idea.

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 07:29 PM (IFNME)
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Real life Lincoln logs? Awesome.

Posted by: TRex at June 23, 2024 07:31 PM (IQ6Gq)

55 Maybe closer to tactistupid.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 23, 2024 07:07 PM (tT6L1)

Honestly, you can drop the "tacti" because there is NO way to get that weapon into action in a hurry. At least not against an opponent.

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 07:31 PM (AWrpC)

56 I sadly have no range report..
I had a HS reunion in CT. It is amazing how good all those 29 yr olds looked.
Hope I can talk some of the DMV MGC to get to the range next weekend.
But I'm here. I want that noted on my permanent record.🤠

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at June 23, 2024 07:33 PM (ucoMn)

57 sigh Really need to find time to get to the local range.
Posted by: NR Pax at June 23, 2024 07:12 PM (CEq3z)

For someone with a life, that part is the hardest.

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 07:33 PM (AWrpC)

58 Tactitard.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2024 07:33 PM (RG6z4)

59 Range report II, tools: A couple of guys showed up during our match and both of them displayed tremendous ignorance while claiming great shooting skills and asking questions about what we were doing.

One of the guys said he could do what we were doing easily, with an AR. Umm, no. 55 grain bullets aren't heavy enough to knock over the silhouettes reliably, especially the larger ones at 500 meters. He also got a great deal on a Leupold scope and was trying to see if it was better than his Nightforce.

I then mentioned how difficult our 1,000 yard range is and the other guy was completely dismissive of our scores. Never mind we had a nationally ranked shooter on our 1,000 range under conditions which our club guys will regularly shoot mid nineties while the nationally ranked shooter shot an 88. Needless to say, neither of them endeared themselves to us. We want to encourage people to shoot but being dismissive of club members isn't the way to win hearts and minds.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 23, 2024 07:33 PM (tT6L1)

60 @weasel adds a new term to the AoS style sheet. Tactitard.

Excellent.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 23, 2024 07:34 PM (tT6L1)

61 "I have usually scored well with the Montecristo brand but this one was a Tale of Two Cigars."

Hmmmm, wouldn't consider my self knowledgeable or an aficionado at all, but... I usually like just the plain old Montecristo White Label (cause I'm basic) but haven't been very pleased with the wrapper quality lately. On the plus side, that led me to branch out and discover the My Father Flor de las Antillas which I like quite a lot.

Posted by: She Hobbit at June 23, 2024 07:36 PM (ftFVW)

62 I think I mentioned I am competing with my P226 RXP Legion and that is also a help. We picked that up at The Nation's Gun Show and managed to get it about $100 off of MSRP - we were watching and waiting for them to come down off MSRP. Well - seems the prices are moving down a bit now - $1299 here:

https://tinyurl.com/3deh7ddd

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 07:37 PM (IFNME)

63 Posted by: She Hobbit at June 23, 2024 07:36 PM (ftFVW
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Howdy and welcome!!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2024 07:37 PM (RG6z4)

64 35 I may not have shot well, but the education is more than worth the failure.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 23, 2024 07:18 PM (tT6L1)
***
Note to self: Remember that quote...

Posted by: TRex at June 23, 2024 07:38 PM (IQ6Gq)

65 She Hobbit, I will have a cigar for you to try at the MoMe.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 23, 2024 07:38 PM (8i5Iz)

66 I’m back. Fed. Watered (well, Wined).
CBD forgets that we inducted him into the 1000 yard club.
Fine shooting at 300, 525, 650, 846, and then the Holy Grail.
With a transonic .308.
But his shit did not wobble.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2024 07:39 PM (nCaYE)

67 Howdy and welcome!!
Posted by: Weasel

Thankee, sir! I usually just lurk this particular thread since I almost never get to the range these days.

Posted by: She Hobbit at June 23, 2024 07:41 PM (ftFVW)

68 And RMBS, with his father’s Rem 70 and cheap ass military 7.62, bracketed the 1000 consistently.
Then we took a half hour break to sit and enjoy northern NH. When we went back, his cold bore went 8 feet right.
Huh.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2024 07:41 PM (nCaYE)

69 Awesome, Ben Had! But it'll have to come after my hug!!

Posted by: She Hobbit at June 23, 2024 07:43 PM (ftFVW)

70 Hi weasel! Thank you for the thread.

No range time this week. But, I continue to think a LOT about various scenarios where I would and would NOT draw a weapon do defend myself or others.

Good to think about before you have to do it. Or not.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 23, 2024 07:43 PM (DGJyi)

71 And my beloved new 175 load was perfect at 525, but could not find the 846 until multiple rounds down range.
Switched to factory 168 and found the 1000 on the third or fourth shot.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2024 07:46 PM (nCaYE)

72 Your excuses for not having an AR15 are being reduced. Plumcrazy complete lower $74.99

https://tinyurl.com/uurafymj

Okay, it's a polymer lower but still. You could mate that to a PSA complete upper for $229.

Add a rear sight a couple of mags and a sling and you are in business for under $400 bones.

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 07:47 PM (IFNME)

73 >Right hand, left eye. Are you pulling right? Interesting.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 23, 2024 07:27 PM (dmXQN)

No. I'm pulling left in-between bouts of inconsistency.

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 07:47 PM (AWrpC)

74 And RMBS, with his father’s Rem 70 and cheap ass military 7.62, bracketed the 1000 consistently.
Then we took a half hour break to sit and enjoy northern NH. When we went back, his cold bore went 8 feet right.
Huh.
Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2024 07:41 PM

That was some puzzling shit. Of course, I did switch to the military "special ball", with a heavier bullet, but I'm thinking that stuff is "special in a short bus kind of way.

That lot of Lithuanian M80 ball shoots extremely well out of the Model 70.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 23, 2024 07:48 PM (nsjDT)

75 You have that whole point thing down with one hand and better muscle control on that side.
Posted by: Ben Had at June 23, 2024 07:28 PM (8i5Iz)

Interesting thought.

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 07:48 PM (AWrpC)

76 Anticipation of recoil is probably a huge part of you two handed shooting problem GWB. Trying to pre-absorb the recoil causing you to shoot low I would imagine.
If it is shooting high you may be subconsciously mimicking recoil.

Posted by: Reforger at June 23, 2024 07:48 PM (xcIvR)

77 Just watched the She Equips Herself gal's video about her experience with .38 Special snubbies. Note that the Colt Cobra she tested for the video was a 2nd Issue model (produced 1972-81), which has an aluminum frame. This would significantly increase felt recoil, which I think contributed a lot to making her experience firing the revolver a very unpleasant one.

Later in the video, you see her compare her hand size w/ her husband's. She has significantly shorter fingers than he does. For a snubbie, you really have to get a lot of your trigger finger through the trigger guard in order to get a good double action trigger pull. I think she's correct in her assessment at the end: .38 snubbies don't work for her ergonomics.

Posted by: Ed L at June 23, 2024 07:49 PM (yRXSd)

78 That may not be a bad idea.
Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 07:29 PM (IFNME)

An excellent idea, actually. Unless they drop them all at your front gate and leave.

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 07:49 PM (AWrpC)

79 Posted by: She Hobbit at June 23, 2024 07:41 PM (ftFVW)
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Well it's nice to see you! If you're in TX in Oct we can dig through the humidor and see if anything looks interesting to you!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2024 07:50 PM (JwHpX)

80 no good deed, if you are lurking it gonna be ladies with guns and cigars in Oct.

Posted by: Ben Had at June 23, 2024 07:52 PM (8i5Iz)

81 An excellent idea, actually. Unless they drop them all at your front gate and leave.
Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 07:49 PM (AWrpC)

They will dump them all where they can get a semi which is a lot closer to the front gate than to where I want to build the range. I don't have a tractor yet - do have a trailer for the truck but without a loader that seems like it would take a while...

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 07:54 PM (IFNME)

82 And Scoobs, he got some ‘splainin’ to do.
Between last fall in TX and our excursion, his Vortex went south.
First, as we all might have done, he still had 1000 dialed in, so his 100 spotters were a might high.
But after many range tools and bore sighting, etc.,we still could just not get him on paper.
Then.
Then we found rust on his bolt handle.
The shooting gods had admonished him for not shooting his wonderful Savage 110 for half a year.
Thus Endeth the lesson.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2024 07:56 PM (nCaYE)

83 Posted by: nurse ratched at June 23, 2024 07:43 PM (DGJyi)

Nurse, some of my pre-deployment training included force on force exercises, both in a training simulator and live fire with paintballs. It's a humbling experience to find that the shifty character you lit up because you thought he was sneaking up on you was really harmless while you completely missed the dude who took all of your team out with an RPG. If you have the opportunity for either, please consider signing up.

Posted by: Ed L at June 23, 2024 07:57 PM (yRXSd)

84 82 Then we found rust on his bolt handle.

{hangs head}

I thought that what happens in NH stays in NH

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 23, 2024 07:58 PM (f0/sc)

85 Got some sad news this week. Long time gun writer Mike Venturino passed away a couple of weeks ago. I have at least two of his books and read his articles for years. Folks who enjoy black powder cartridge guns and handloading and who enjoy wringing out the most accuracy with their military surplus rifles probably know about Mike. Bullet casting was a big part of his expertise.

He will be missed.

John Taffin is still with us but he's 85 now and can't shoot as much. Time is catching up with the generation of gun writers I learned from. Sigh.

Posted by: JTB at June 23, 2024 08:00 PM (zudum)

86 After the steel shoot thing where mag capacity was rewarded - I ordered some 20 rounders for the P226 -stock they are 15.

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 08:00 PM (IFNME)

87 thought that what happens in NH stays in NH
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 23, 2024 07:58 PM (f0/sc)

The shooting gods must be pacified. You are scheduled for a reeducation camp. And no bratwurst and beer!

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2024 08:01 PM (nCaYE)

88 I thought that what happens in NH stays in NH
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at June 23, 2024 07:58 PM (f0/sc)
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Kinky.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 23, 2024 08:01 PM (tT6L1)

89 Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 08:00 PM (IFNME)

Do check out Chantilly. There are a couple of vendors who have a wide variety of magazines out on their tables. Can't say anything about their prices because I haven't comparison shopped those magazines.

Posted by: Ed L at June 23, 2024 08:03 PM (yRXSd)

90 Posted by: She Hobbit at June 23, 2024 07:41 PM (ftFVW)
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Well it's nice to see you! If you're in TX in Oct we can dig through the humidor and see if anything looks interesting to you!
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2024 07:50 PM

We will be pleased to have She Hobbit join us in the smoking corner. I might even have to bring some pipe weed. And a pipe, of course.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 23, 2024 08:05 PM (nsjDT)

91 Posted by: Ed L at June 23, 2024 07:57

That seems way past anything I would like to participate in. I am happy being proficient with a pistol and a shotty to defend myself in my home and carry a pistol to Mass and the grocery store. Other than that, I'm a chicken shit and will run away at the first sign of a mob.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 23, 2024 08:08 PM (EuUgR)

92 Weasel-San, we definitely missed your spotting and shot calling. Great traces with the high DA.
We hope you bring your fancy letter opener with you next time.
No worries, we are constitutional carry.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2024 08:09 PM (nCaYE)

93 We want to encourage people to shoot but being dismissive of club members isn't the way to win hearts and minds.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 23, 2024 07:33 PM (tT6L1)

You know.... We get upset at or scoff at all the anti-gunners who talk about gun folks' need to be macho or that they're "compensating for something."

But there ARE gun folks who actually are being macho or compensating (more often for a lack of brains, than a lack of male tackle). They make the rest of us look bad and need to be kicked in the shins.

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 08:10 PM (AWrpC)

94 Railroad tie math. Yes, I know.

Railroad ties are about 9 feet long and 6 inches thick. A wall 45 feet long and ten feet high is 100 ties. Double that up and fill the gap with sand - need some for the end caps.

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 08:11 PM (IFNME)

95 "I have usually scored well with the Montecristo brand but this one was a Tale of Two Cigars."

Well? What's the tale?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 23, 2024 07:10 PM (d9fT1)

Ummmm...
I'll not second guess Weasel's thread. My review may of been too long.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2024 08:11 PM (W/lyH)

96 Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2024 08:09 PM (nCaYE)
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Sounds like you had fun conditions!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2024 08:12 PM (JwHpX)

97 But there ARE gun folks who actually are being macho or compensating (more often for a lack of brains, than a lack of male tackle). They make the rest of us look bad and need to be kicked in the shins.
Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 08:10 PM (AWrpC)

Apropos:

https://tinyurl.com/unpf3hb8

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 08:13 PM (IFNME)

98 For the pipe smokers and others of refinement, Stokkebye has a new line of tobaccos called 4th Generation: Fathers, Friends & Fire Batch. There are 4 blends in the series. The one I tried is Batch 001, a Virginia/Oriental flake, which is an unusual combination in a flake blend. It is a slow, cool smoke with a spicy sweetness. Tasty and satisfying. I plan to get several more tins. If it was available in bulk, I would get half a pound at a time.

Posted by: JTB at June 23, 2024 08:13 PM (zudum)

99 Off topic but I’m eating chocolate pudding made with goat milk an duck eggs.

Posted by: Eromero at June 23, 2024 08:13 PM (DXbAa)

100 It’s very good.

Posted by: Eromero at June 23, 2024 08:14 PM (DXbAa)

101 The rest of the story.
When I first placed it in my mouth, I got an immediate hit of tobacco and cinnamon, and in fact, too much. Very spicey to the point of almost a burning sensation. It lit well but the ash was uneven from the start and it never caught up. The first half continued the heavy spice taste to the point of almost throwing it away. But, I elected to give it a bit more time. And I’m glad I did as it did mellow out to be a decent smoke, with a not unpleasant aroma. But in my opinion, not something to write home about, and not worth the effort of suffering through the first half.
Not particularly cheap at about $10 bucks each, it does claim a 94 rating. Maybe I just got a crummy one?

Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2024 08:14 PM (W/lyH)

102 More railroad tie math - they weight 100 lbs plus or minus. 300 is some 30,000 lbs of railroad ties.

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 08:14 PM (IFNME)

103 you are in business for under $400 bones.
Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 07:47 PM (IFNME)

I still regularly see billet stripped lowers for $55 on sale.
And Bear Creek Arsenal has a plethora of barrels and uppers that run around $250 (and more expensive ones, too).

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 08:14 PM (AWrpC)

104 The cigar picture includes a clever mesh node. A shout out to Bob at NSA.
Neener...Neener...Neener.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2024 08:15 PM (W/lyH)

105 I'll not second guess Weasel's thread. My review may of been too long.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2024 08:11 PM (W/lyH)
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I need to go back and look - apologies if I cut something off! I was having problems with my protonmail account displaying earlier.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2024 08:16 PM (JwHpX)

106 No worries Weasel.
I've included it at 101.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2024 08:17 PM (W/lyH)

107 We also had the opposite of a tool show up to shoot our match yesterday. Really nice guy, shot quite well and boy, did he light up when we mentioned the 1,000 yard match.

Even better, when it was time to go down range and set the silhouettes back up, the new guy was right there in the mix.

I think he's on to my secret plan to ingratiate with club members, which is: being completely willing to jump in and give a hand when there's work to be done during a match. The guys seem to appreciate it for some reason.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 23, 2024 08:17 PM (tT6L1)

108 but without a loader that seems like it would take a while...
Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 07:54 PM (IFNME)

That's what timber hitches (the knot) are for. Tie a couple of them to your trailer hitch and haul them up. But you won't want to use your nice rope, because of the creosote.

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 08:18 PM (AWrpC)

109 Sounds like you had fun conditions!
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2024 08:12 PM

The conditions really were great. Overcast, nice even light. Hardly a breath of wind most of the day, and cooler than last year. All in all, a great range day.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 23, 2024 08:18 PM (nsjDT)

110 102 More railroad tie math - they weight 100 lbs plus or minus. 300 is some 30,000 lbs of railroad ties.

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 08:14 PM (IFNME)
***
You could build a dry moat.

Posted by: TRex at June 23, 2024 08:18 PM (IQ6Gq)

111 Posted by: nurse ratched at June 23, 2024 08:08 PM (EuUgR)

Nurse, they're out there, but they're not all military oriented. Most are set up as escalation of force scenarios (i.e. shoot/don't shoot), which is what anyone into CCW needs. One lesson I learned from that experience: under stress, accuracy goes right down the drain as your adrenaline levels increase. Hitting a bad guy at 10 yards in the open with an M-16 should be easy. But I somehow managed to miss him with all but two rounds even though I practically emptied my entire magazine at him on rock and roll. If that's not cause for eating some humble pie, I'd like to know what is.

Posted by: Ed L at June 23, 2024 08:18 PM (yRXSd)

112 Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2024 08:14 PM (W/lyH)
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100% my mistake. I run text through a filter and just didn't cut and paste the whole thing back. Sorry!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2024 08:20 PM (JwHpX)

113 You could build a dry moat.
Posted by: TRex at June 23, 2024 08:18 PM

But where would you put the sharks with frickin' laser beams on their heads?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 23, 2024 08:20 PM (nsjDT)

114 Weasel, the conditions were great. No rain, overcast in the 70s (although Irish skinned Scoobs turned red).
We had 5 hours there until others showed up. Our slave state morons were impressed with all the NFA items.
One guy came up to CBD and me to ask our advice on his PSA AR 10 and we stripped it down and diagnosed.
Good times.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2024 08:20 PM (nCaYE)

115 But where would you put the sharks with frickin' laser beams on their heads?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 23, 2024 08:20 PM (nsjDT)
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The dry moat has the snakes and scorpions. The sharks with laser beams are in the wet moat next to the dry moat.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 23, 2024 08:21 PM (tT6L1)

116 I've still got an AR lower from the last pack I bought. 12ish years ago.
I can't decide what to do with it. I sort of want to do a BRN-180 in 223 wylde but I had a friend get a .22 WMR upper that I really liked. Plus .22 WMR is about my favorite round.
If I did that though I would be hell bent on trying to figure out how to make my 30 round PMR30 mags work in it.

Posted by: Reforger at June 23, 2024 08:23 PM (xcIvR)

117 Well, time to wander.

Thanks again, Weasel, for everything.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 23, 2024 08:23 PM (tT6L1)

118 I have been considering using RR ties as a backstop, and recall more than one comment on what a terrible idea it was. I cannot for the life of me remember why, though. I still think it would work!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2024 08:23 PM (JwHpX)

119
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at June 23, 2024 08:23 PM (tT6L1)
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You bet. Adios amigo.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2024 08:24 PM (JwHpX)

120 I still regularly see billet stripped lowers for $55 on sale.
And Bear Creek Arsenal has a plethora of barrels and uppers that run around $250 (and more expensive ones, too).
Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 08:14 PM (AWrpC)

Yes but note the lower I linked is complete for $75 and the upper is complete for $229. But, yes, BCA has some low priced gear that works.

Radical Firearms has a complete AR15 (well you need sights/optic and a sling) for $387....

https://tinyurl.com/mu2zn52r

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 08:25 PM (IFNME)

121 Posted by: Reforger at June 23, 2024 08:23 PM (xcIvR)

Isn't that a nice problem to have?
It should get featured in one of CBD's "First World Problem" posts.

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 08:26 PM (AWrpC)

122 118 I have been considering using RR ties as a backstop, and recall more than one comment on what a terrible idea it was. I cannot for the life of me remember why, though. I still think it would work!
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2024 08:23 PM (JwHpX)

Weasel, we tried them at 25 yards. Gone in a year.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2024 08:26 PM (nCaYE)

123 Thanks for another great post, Weasel. Darling Daughter was home for a week. Brought me a Potter, Belicoso Maduro Prensado cigar from the Dominican. No idea what all those words mean. Not yet smoked it, either. No range the weekend but heading up north next weekend.

Posted by: scampydod at June 23, 2024 08:26 PM (41CYW)

124 Repair Your Butt Crack!

What? Hey amigo, you aren't the boss of us! Wait...I guess you are. Never mind.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 23, 2024 08:26 PM (mH6SG)

125 RR ties would make a good back or inside for a berm but if on the front you will just end up with a bunch of creosote soaked splinters.

Posted by: fd at June 23, 2024 08:27 PM (vFG9F)

126 118 I have been considering using RR ties as a backstop, and recall more than one comment on what a terrible idea it was. I cannot for the life of me remember why, though. I still think it would work!
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2024 08:23 PM (JwHpX)

Youtubers seem to like them. Might be a not awesome idea for WA because of the railroad tie math above.

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 08:27 PM (IFNME)

127 Blaster if you have 100 acres you need a tractor anyway.

Posted by: fd at June 23, 2024 08:28 PM (vFG9F)

128 I still think it would work!
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2024 08:23 PM (JwHpX)

Probably the issue of the creosote. That stuff is nasty and nasty to you. But it would make a really nice inner core to a berm if you want the dirt/sand surface instead. Or a backstop to the dirt and sand - you can certainly build a higher berm if you have something solid holding it up.

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 08:28 PM (AWrpC)

129 scampydod,

I'm looking forward to that review!

Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2024 08:29 PM (W/lyH)

130 127 Blaster if you have 100 acres you need a tractor anyway.
Posted by: fd at June 23, 2024 08:28 PM (vFG9F)

I know. It's on The List.

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 08:29 PM (IFNME)

131 ...I have been considering using RR ties as a backstop, and recall more than one comment on what a terrible idea it was. I cannot for the life of me remember why, though. I still think it would work! Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2024 08:23 PM (JwHpX)

Reports of a lot of bullets rebounding back towards the shooter, on those.

Though I think that a lot of that could be solved with some angled geometry, into a "bullet trap" design, and a few rightly placed, rubber Horse Stall Mats.

But the flat surface of a backstop, perpendicular to the bullet's line of flight, is what seems to have generated the adverse range reports.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 23, 2024 08:30 PM (e6UQI)

132 Blaster if you have 100 acres you need a tractor anyway.
Posted by: fd at June 23, 2024 08:28 PM (vFG9F)

John Deere should do a Weasel Special Edition. It comes with scabbards for both a Garand AND a katana.

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 08:31 PM (AWrpC)

133 For the Savage 99 FWP earlier today.

If you have extraction problems with factory ammo, it could be:
1. Bad extractor (duh)
2. Rough chamber with rust pitting
3. You said you polished the chamber. Maybe somebody tried to polish it earlier, overdid it, and now it's egg-shaped. If that's the case, setting the barrel back, recutting the chamber, and hoping for the best is about all you can do.
More later on the perils of bad handloads.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 23, 2024 08:31 PM (/ZMUq)

134 118 ... "I have been considering using RR ties as a backstop, and recall more than one comment on what a terrible idea it was. I cannot for the life of me remember why, though. I still think it would work!"

Hi Weasel,
I think railroad ties would make a good backstop. Being wood, it would eliminate or minimize the chance of a rebound or ricochet. And what are you likely to shoot that will go through 6 or more inches of seasoned, creosote soaked hard wood? Nothing comes to mind.

Posted by: JTB at June 23, 2024 08:32 PM (zudum)

135 Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2024 08:23 PM (JwHpX)

IIRC, it's because until relatively recently, railroad ties were treated with toxic metal compounds to keep termites and other insects from eating up the wood. Some included definite problem metals like arsenic (common) or even mercury. Mercury and arsenic are known environmental pollutants and may leach into the environment when bullet impacts break up the ties. I don't know what railroad ties are treated with today, though. Also, disposing of the debris may require you to pay for hazardous waste disposal costs, which are a lot more than just trash/debris disposal costs.

Posted by: Ed L at June 23, 2024 08:32 PM (yRXSd)

136 Some of those boneheads in congress might make a suitable backstop.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 23, 2024 08:32 PM (aRyyL)

137 Isn't that a nice problem to have?
It should get featured in one of CBD's "First World Problem" posts.

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 08:26 PM (AWrpC)

Another FWP. I bought an AR10 with a fixed front site. Intending on buying the 24" barrel upper to mount a scope to.
Haven't been able to get the upper and it's DPMS so intentionally non standard so I can't just build one (last time I checked).
Anyway I'm considering getting out the old Die Grinder and cutting it off.

Posted by: Reforger at June 23, 2024 08:32 PM (xcIvR)

138 Posted by: Jim at June 23, 2024 08:30 PM (e6UQI)
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That's probably it.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2024 08:32 PM (JwHpX)

139 scampydod,

I'm looking forward to that review!
Posted by: Diogenes
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Been a long time since I smoked a cigar so it will likely be about watering eyes and coughing. Wife is VERY cool but requested I give that up about 25 years ago. Back in the day it was mostly Macanudo. Occasional Partagas or Fuente. We shall see!

Posted by: scampydog at June 23, 2024 08:32 PM (41CYW)

140 "I know. It's on The List.
Posted by: blaster"

Some people like John Deere and they are fine but my little Kubota punches above it's weight and is damn near indestructible.

Posted by: fd at June 23, 2024 08:34 PM (vFG9F)

141 Posted by: Ed L at June 23, 2024 08:32 PM (yRXSd)
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Just roll them into the river.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2024 08:34 PM (JwHpX)

142 Not gun related, Stones related. Apparently the Rolling Stones killed it in Denver the other night. Good for them. I have never been a fan, but they still have the passion. Do what you love.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not Ready for the Cart at June 23, 2024 08:34 PM (hZc6Q)

143 Railroad tie backstops:

https://tinyurl.com/2vj38ej2

https://tinyurl.com/wkbzw6mh

https://tinyurl.com/4v3umyhf

https://tinyurl.com/245d74uw

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 08:35 PM (IFNME)

144 Some of those boneheads in congress might make a suitable backstop.
Posted by: nurse ratched at June 23, 2024 08:32 PM (aRyyL)

Unless you're planning on stacking them like cord wood, they don't have enough stiffness to work as a backstop. Maybe they'd work on a target hanger....

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 08:36 PM (AWrpC)

145 It comes with scabbards for both a Garand.

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 08:31 PM (AWrpC)

I've got one of these from 1943.
https://tinyurl.com/bdfv69u4

I guess they started making them again.

Posted by: Reforger at June 23, 2024 08:36 PM (xcIvR)

146 OK, lessons learned from our micro mini MoMe.
We did lots of math. Ballistic tables work. Except when they don’t.
My beloved accurate175s tootling along at 2200 fps lost their mojo at 800. I suspect they went trans.
Factory 168s at 2600 had no problem at 1000.
I just went up to the next node for reloading which is about 125 fps faster. We’ll see if they do better.
And morons being good buddies, I now have about 150 once-fired 308 in my brass inventory. And some 6.5 and 5.56. Thanks,guys!

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2024 08:37 PM (nCaYE)

147 Weasel,
Would some of the toxic chemicals in railroad ties compromise your organic tree farm status?

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 23, 2024 08:38 PM (aRyyL)

148 Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 08:35 PM (IFNME)
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Thanks. I'll check those out.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2024 08:38 PM (JwHpX)

149 “ I think she's correct in her assessment at the end: .38 snubbies don't work for her ergonomics”

.38 as a carry weapon doesn’t work for me at all. I prefer a K Frame, notably a Model 66 combat magnum with a 2.75 inch barrel, modified trigger, with Meprolight Tru Dots for better target acquisition. I also prefer the checkered walnut grips which to me are much better in bad weather. But that’s just me.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 23, 2024 08:38 PM (5Vdzv)

150 Been a long time since I smoked a cigar so it will likely be about watering eyes and coughing. Wife is VERY cool but requested I give that up about 25 years ago. Back in the day it was mostly Macanudo. Occasional Partagas or Fuente. We shall see!
Posted by: scampydog at June 23, 2024 08:32 PM (41CYW)
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Heh.
Mrs.D.is not a fan and banned me to the driveway or back yard. And I swear even when she is hanging upside down in the closet with her wings wrapped around herself, she can hear me unwrap a stick, not to mention identify which adult beverage I am pouring.

Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2024 08:39 PM (W/lyH)

151 Posted by: nurse ratched at June 23, 2024 08:38 PM (aRyyL)
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That may be some sort of rule, but they don't mean me.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2024 08:40 PM (JwHpX)

152 Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2024 08:34 PM (JwHpX)

I'm dealing with a site with these issues at work right now. Big PITA even though the last time the Navy did anything there was at the end of the Cold War 30+ years ago. We're paying through the nose to get stuff cleaned up. The railroad ties are just a very small piece of the overall problem, though.

Posted by: Ed L at June 23, 2024 08:40 PM (yRXSd)

153 I have not smoked a good cigar in years. My bride is very sensitive to the smoke and tobacco smell. To the point that I have to disrobe and throw my clothes in the washer, then shower before coming to bed.

Eh, I'll drink bourbon instead.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not Ready for the Cart at June 23, 2024 08:41 PM (hZc6Q)

154 Heh.
Mrs.D.is not a fan and banned me to the driveway or back yard. And I swear even when she is hanging upside down in the closet with her wings wrapped around herself, she can hear me unwrap a stick, not to mention identify which adult beverage I am pouring.
Posted by: Diogenes
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Sounds vaguely similar. And by vaguely, I mean exactly.

Posted by: scampydog at June 23, 2024 08:41 PM (41CYW)

155 I gave #2 son my M1910 canteen today. I've had it for years and thought it was WWII vintage, but when we looked it up, it turned out it was made it 1917. It even was dated inside the cover but I never noticed it before. It still has the cup and leather calvary strap.

He's putting together a WWII GI uniform. Yeah.

Posted by: fd at June 23, 2024 08:42 PM (vFG9F)

156 Some people like John Deere and they are fine but my little Kubota punches above it's weight and is damn near indestructible.
Posted by: fd at June 23, 2024 08:34 PM (vFG9F)

I want a Ford 8N. Yes they are old (75 years!) and not really powerful and don't solve my loader problem but they are cheap and they work and EMP proof and parts are plentiful.

As the entry level homesteader tractor. I wouldn't mind a Kubota for the main duty tractor - but whatever gets that job has to have a loader.

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 08:44 PM (IFNME)

157 Posted by: fd at June 23, 2024 08:42 PM (vFG9F)
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That's pretty cool.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2024 08:45 PM (JwHpX)

158 I have my shop to smoke in. I don't like my house smelling like cigarettes either so I don't even smoke near the doors.
Shop smells like stale beer and gear oil anyway so smoke doesn't touch it.

Posted by: Reforger at June 23, 2024 08:45 PM (xcIvR)

159 Heh.
Mrs.D.is not a fan and banned me to the driveway or back yard. And I swear even when she is hanging upside down in the closet with her wings wrapped around herself, she can hear me unwrap a stick, not to mention identify which adult beverage I am pouring.
Posted by: Diogenes at June 23, 2024 08:39 PM (W/lyH)

I can tell that Mrs. D doesn’t read this thread.
Mrs. R occasionally does.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2024 08:46 PM (nCaYE)

160 Posted by: Marcus T at June 23, 2024 08:38 PM (5Vdzv)

For me, I had a bad experience with shooting S&W snubbies (S&W Model 36, I think) because its grip was the tiny wooden grip that was just too small for my hand. My 1990s Colt Detective Special came with rubber Pachmyr grips out of the box. That was a much better fit for my hand than the S&W snubby. The S&W is way too small for my hand to get a good grip on unless it's fitted with a bigger grip that's a better fit for my hand.

Posted by: Ed L at June 23, 2024 08:48 PM (yRXSd)

161 I didn't really know the history of those canteens until we looked them up. The first ones were made of spun aluminum in a patented process the Army didn't want to pay for, so they switched to making them from 2 halves made of welded together like in my 1917 version.

WW II they switched to making them out of steel and later plastic. Still was a M1910 canteen though.

Posted by: fd at June 23, 2024 08:51 PM (vFG9F)

162 156 I want a Ford 8N. Yes they are old (75 years!) and not really powerful and don't solve my loader problem but they are cheap and they work and EMP proof and parts are plentiful.

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 08:44 PM (IFNME)
***
My working theory is that the demand for cars that fit this description is going to increase. Rolling iphones are not easily repairable and anything digital is more complicated and trackable. Cars are becoming disposable because of the tech.

Posted by: TRex at June 23, 2024 08:53 PM (IQ6Gq)

163 "I want a Ford 8N. "

So do I but I guarantee my 4X4 tractor with a front loader will run rings around it. An 8N would be fun though.

Posted by: fd at June 23, 2024 08:54 PM (vFG9F)

164 “ For me, I had a bad experience with shooting S&W snubbies (S&W Model 36, I think) because its grip was the tiny wooden grip that was just too small for my hand”

It took me a long time to find the right grips. I finally settled on a set of walnut oversized “combat” grips. Cost me a damn fortune, but they finally worked right before I was ready to dump it.

Posted by: Marcus T at June 23, 2024 08:55 PM (5Vdzv)

165 My working theory is that the demand for cars that fit this description is going to increase. Rolling iphones are not easily repairable and anything digital is more complicated and trackable. Cars are becoming disposable because of the tech.
Posted by: TRex at June 23, 2024 08:53 PM (IQ6Gq)

Agree - probably a good reason to maintain some iron sight arms too.

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 08:56 PM (IFNME)

166 "My working theory is that the demand for cars that fit this description is going to increase"

That's why I am hoarding vehicles with mechanical fuel pumps. At some point though we will start having to make diaphragms from old inner tubes.

Posted by: fd at June 23, 2024 08:57 PM (vFG9F)

167 Posted by: fd at June 23, 2024 08:42 PM (vFG9F)

fd, if your son will wear/use that uniform and its accoutrements, you might want to consider using reproductions instead of the real deal. Aging materials (leather, cotton, etc.) might not hold up under the stress of use today. I purchased a vintage M1907 leather sling for my Winchester Model 12 trench gun. But when I attached it to my trench gun, it broke when I picked it up by the sling because of dry rot. It set me back a about $150, so it wasn't a huge loss. But it taught me that the days of being able to use vintage equipment for everyday use are approaching their end if they're not over already.

Posted by: Ed L at June 23, 2024 08:58 PM (yRXSd)

168 I want a Ford 8N. Yes they are old (75 years!) and not really powerful and don't solve my loader problem but they are cheap and they work and EMP proof and parts are plentiful.

As the entry level homesteader tractor. I wouldn't mind a Kubota for the main duty tractor - but whatever gets that job has to have a loader.
Posted by: blaster
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JD 1025 and 2640 here. Recently parted ways with Super M - singly hydraulics and replaced it with an Allis Chalmers - dual hydraulics. All have been relatively easy to work on when needed. Allis does have a radio. Not had a Kubota not a Ford.

Posted by: scampydog at June 23, 2024 08:58 PM (41CYW)

169 Nor. Dang phone.

Posted by: scampydog at June 23, 2024 08:59 PM (41CYW)

170 My canteens were green plastic inside aluminum cups with folding handles inside an insulated sheath. Basic training at Fort Sill we wore two on our web belts. AIT and Germany I was issued only one.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not Ready for the Cart at June 23, 2024 09:00 PM (hZc6Q)

171 28

FYI, it looks like primers are coming back onto the shelves. Sheel's had Winchester, CCI, and Federals on the shelf yesterday with prices right less than $100/1000.

Posted by: Oddbob at June 23, 2024 07:15 PM (/y8xj)

My local Scheels, in central Iowa, has regularly had primers in stock for $80-$90 per thousand for most of the past year. Except for large rifle primers. They did have a 15% off sale on reloading stuff a few months ago, and at that time did have large rifle primers, a thousand of which came home with me. Haven't seen any since, although I'm pretty well stocked, and don't go through a lot of them.

I checked on-line earlier today, and the local store claims to have IMR-4895 in stock, which I haven't seen for a long time, for an obscene price. I'll be there early tomorrow to get some.

Posted by: BillyD at June 23, 2024 09:00 PM (F6Xpw)

172 So do I but I guarantee my 4X4 tractor with a front loader will run rings around it. An 8N would be fun though.
Posted by: fd at June 23, 2024 08:54 PM (vFG9F)

I can get an 8N for $1500 around here. It will be a while until a 4x4 diesel tractor with loader is in the cards.

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 09:00 PM (IFNME)

173 Posted by: scampydog at June 23, 2024 08:58 PM (41CYW)

And the Gun Thread finds an entirely new tangent.
But... how to wrangle bewbs into that discussion....

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 09:01 PM (AWrpC)

174 The classic "Banana Grip" (factory S&W or Taurus items), will damn near cure any grip malady on the J frame, round butt revolver.

And, keep the thing snag free when under your cover garment.

Bonus? A very attractive design, especially if you get lucky and find one with some interesting grain in the wood.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at June 23, 2024 09:01 PM (e6UQI)

175 I want a Ford 8N. Yes they are old (75 years!) and not really powerful and don't solve my loader problem but they are cheap and they work and EMP proof and parts are plentiful.

As the entry level homesteader tractor. I wouldn't mind a Kubota for the main duty tractor - but whatever gets that job has to have a loader.
Posted by: blaster
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Jubilee is the next model and much easier to work on.
It also has an upgraded PTO system.

Posted by: Braenyard at June 23, 2024 09:02 PM (JjNlG)

176 Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 08:56 PM (IFNME)

Most ACOGs don't need batteries. The tritium will eventually dim, but they'll still work in daylight.

Posted by: Ed L at June 23, 2024 09:02 PM (yRXSd)

177 26 All my ins and outs of ammo is pretty much tracked by spreadsheet, therefore I know how much I shoot of each caliber per year. My spreadsheet highlights in red any calibers that I have less than 5 years of reserve so I know what to keep an eye out for.

Posted by: hatethedeepstate at June 23, 2024 07:12 PM (j3a7P)

Greetings, fellow obsessive-compulsive person. I do the same, except for the red highlighting of low supply, which is a great idea. I'll have to add that next time I'm fiddling with my reloading spreadsheet.

Posted by: BillyD at June 23, 2024 09:03 PM (F6Xpw)

178 Savage 99 reloads and extraction problems
1. Do you trim your cases? If not, long case necks can jam against the bullet, refusing to let it go, and raising pressures in the process.
2. If you use regular sizing dies, the base of the case may be sized just enough to chamber, but not spring back enough to extract. "Small Base" sizing dies are available to squeeze the base down farther than normal.

The above assumes you are using factory-made cases, if you are using cases made from other calibers, well, more to follow...

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 23, 2024 09:04 PM (/ZMUq)

179 Blaster, there's one on Tractor House with a front end loader. Current bid is $100 (with 2 weeks left in bidding).

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 09:04 PM (AWrpC)

180 "But it taught me that the days of being able to use vintage equipment for everyday use are approaching their end if they're not over already.
Posted by: Ed L "

We did see where they do make reproduction covers with the leather lanyard ridiculously cheap. I'll mention that if he starts hauling it around.

He's already got a reproduction Napoleonic infantryman's uniform and a borrowed Confederate one for when he gets to shoot a cannon. The GI uniform is next I guess. He found a tanker's jacket somewhere.

Posted by: fd at June 23, 2024 09:05 PM (vFG9F)

181 Basic training at Fort Sill we wore two on our web belts. AIT and Germany I was issued only one.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not Ready for the Cart at June 23, 2024 09:00 PM (hZc6Q)

DRINK!!

I did Sill March to June '90, OSUT 13B. We had to carry 2 extras in our cargo pockets at all times. Some DS would yell DRINK! and you better be drinking.

Posted by: Reforger at June 23, 2024 09:05 PM (xcIvR)

182 Alibaba sells Hesco-like bags for not unreasonable prices. With a loader and a sufficient supply of sand that wouldn't be a bad backstop.

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 09:05 PM (IFNME)

183 173 And the Gun Thread finds an entirely new tangent.
But... how to wrangle bewbs into that discussion....

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 09:01 PM (AWrpC)
***
I have faith in the horde's abilities.

Posted by: TRex at June 23, 2024 09:06 PM (IQ6Gq)

184 Posted by: scampydog at June 23, 2024 08:58 PM (41CYW)

And the Gun Thread finds an entirely new tangent.
But... how to wrangle bewbs into that discussion....
Posted by: GWB
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My bad. In an effort to correct course...I did take the Model 1904 Savage out a few weeks ago. Thing is as light as a pellet gub.

Posted by: scampydog at June 23, 2024 09:07 PM (41CYW)

185 Posted by: Marcus T at June 23, 2024 08:55 PM (5Vdzv)

I prefer the old Pachmyr Presentation or "gripper" rubber grips on my Pythons. They don't look as good as the old target grips from yesteryear or the modern wood grips on the new Pythons, but they do help you hold on when you're firing .357 Magnums. Thank goodness that Colt made the new Pythons "backwards compatible" with the older grips.

Posted by: Ed L at June 23, 2024 09:08 PM (yRXSd)

186 "My canteens were green plastic inside aluminum cups with folding handles inside an insulated sheath. Basic training at Fort Sill we wore two on our web belts. AIT and Germany I was issued only one.
Posted by: Pug Mahon"

The cups apparently didn't change much if at all.

Posted by: fd at June 23, 2024 09:08 PM (vFG9F)

187 But... how to wrangle bewbs into that discussion....

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 09:01 PM (AWrpC)
***
I have faith in the horde's abilities.

Posted by: TRex at June 23, 2024 09:06 PM (IQ6Gq)

Those glass bowel fuel filters on them old tractors look like a...

Posted by: Reforger at June 23, 2024 09:10 PM (xcIvR)

188 Hello horde and Weasel. Been busy hosting family for over a week, so lost some range days But they returned to WA yesterday so off to the range we went today. And it was empty. Lesson learned: do not skip range days. Had some times when the target looked as it should, other times it looked like a conga line, which was not what was intended. So, back to fundamentals to get me back where I was before the visit. But the visit was big fun. It is a gift to take (3) early teens about DC, and they ask the right questions and get the unspoken. Their parents deserve an award for parenting.

Posted by: Grateful at June 23, 2024 09:11 PM (IQ6Gq)

189 Tractors are relevant to the gun thread as one is often needed for construction and maintenance of a proper gun range.

Posted by: fd at June 23, 2024 09:11 PM (vFG9F)

190 I did Sill March to June '90, OSUT 13B. We had to carry 2 extras in our cargo pockets at all times. Some DS would yell DRINK! and you better be drinking.
Posted by: Reforger at June 23, 2024 09:05 PM (xcIvR)
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October '87 January '88. One of the last cycles that wasn't male-female training. Funny thing is I hated that we had the Christmas exodus. Fuck, let's just fucking finish this! I came back with a wicked cold and my PT scores suffered.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not Ready for the Cart at June 23, 2024 09:12 PM (hZc6Q)

191 Any word on if all of the people who decided to file the paperwork to turn their $400 AR pistols into Class III regulated firearms requiring special qualifications to buy and sell have a suit going through now that the pistol brace ban was vacated?

Because I'm thinking the market for plain-jane braced $400 ARs with lots of hoops to jump through to buy, sell, store, or transport to get something you could build or buy for $400 is very, VERY small. Maybe even nonexistent.

Posted by: Moron Robbie believes violent cultures celebrating ignorance are inferior to the West at June 23, 2024 09:12 PM (b9jZi)

192 Tractors are relevant to the gun thread as one is often needed for construction and maintenance of a proper gun range.
Posted by: fd
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And tipping up oversized deer stands.

Posted by: scampydog at June 23, 2024 09:13 PM (41CYW)

193 My bad.
Posted by: scampydog at June 23, 2024 09:07 PM (41CYW)

Heh. That was NOT a correction.

And, since no one else has yet done it:
https://rb.gy/v0eji3

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 09:13 PM (AWrpC)

194 Also I suspect Ed L. has a horseshoe implanted somewhere. IIRC a number of Morons ordered those Hi-Powers and they look rough but function fine, with the frame spray painted and dented and chipped and such. Of course Ed gets an attractive one.

Posted by: Moron Robbie believes violent cultures celebrating ignorance are inferior to the West at June 23, 2024 09:13 PM (b9jZi)

195 Posted by: Grateful at June 23, 2024 09:11 PM (IQ6Gq)
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A little focusing on fundamentals will have you right back where you left off!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2024 09:16 PM (JwHpX)

196 Posted by: Jim at June 23, 2024 09:01 PM (e6UQI)

Jim,

I didn't know about any of that stuff until years later. At the time I thought that you were stuck w/ what came out of the box.

BTW, I still have that Detective Special some 30 years later.

Posted by: Ed L at June 23, 2024 09:18 PM (yRXSd)

197 Here is my tie in.

I like guns that need tractors to move them.
I like guns attached to tractors. Really big tractors and really big guns. That you aim by someone else looking at the target and telling you where to aim. Then whole target go BOOM!!

Artillery is so damn fun.
There is nothing like pulling the lanyard on a M110a3 8" Howitzer.
If the Army could have just left me in the field for 4 years I would have been WAY better off.

Posted by: Reforger at June 23, 2024 09:18 PM (xcIvR)

198 OK, 9:18 thank you time!

Thank you!

Hope to see you all next Sunday!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2024 09:18 PM (JwHpX)

199 125 RR ties would make a good back or inside for a berm but if on the front you will just end up with a bunch of creosote soaked splinters.
Posted by: fd at June 23, 2024 08:27 PM (vFG9F)
Creosote really is a carcinogen. Trust me on this one.

Posted by: Eromero at June 23, 2024 09:19 PM (LHPAg)

200 179 Blaster, there's one on Tractor House with a front end loader. Current bid is $100 (with 2 weeks left in bidding).
Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 09:04 PM (AWrpC)

I don't see it. Meanwhile, there is exactly 1 4x4 with a loader on Tractorhouse in VA for under $10k.

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 09:19 PM (IFNME)

201 "I want a Ford 8N. "

So do I but I guarantee my 4X4 tractor with a front loader will run rings around it. An 8N would be fun though.
Posted by: fd at June 23, 2024 08:54 PM (vFG9F)

If you are going to get an acreage tractor, you want it to have: a 3-point hitch (which will handle most implements), a PTO that can be clutched in or out from the operator's position, a loader. And power steering! I have an International B414D, which is a British-built machine, with a 4-banger Diesel in it. The feature I use most is the loader. Lift and carry!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2024 09:19 PM (e1bCr)

202 Thank YOU, Weasel San!

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 09:20 PM (AWrpC)

203 195/
I also lost on the competition, but the margin is much slimmer. I hope to report a win within the next week!

Posted by: Grateful at June 23, 2024 09:20 PM (IQ6Gq)

204 'Night, Weasel.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not Ready for the Cart at June 23, 2024 09:20 PM (hZc6Q)

205 At some point though we will start having to make diaphragms from old inner tubes.
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Tell me about it!

Posted by: sandra fluke at June 23, 2024 09:20 PM (ZdexC)

206 And, since no one else has yet done it:
https://rb.gy/v0eji3
Posted by: GWB
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Why not. Central MN, Stearns County girls. 54 second mark for tractors but whole video is amusing. Youtube link.

https://tinyurl.com/2p2yuraz

Posted by: scampydog at June 23, 2024 09:21 PM (41CYW)

207 194 Also I suspect Ed L. has a horseshoe implanted somewhere. IIRC a number of Morons ordered those Hi-Powers and they look rough but function fine, with the frame spray painted and dented and chipped and such. Of course Ed gets an attractive one.
Posted by: Moron Robbie believes violent cultures celebrating ignorance are inferior to the West at June 23, 2024 09:13 PM (b9jZi)
I have a 1949 HP which was issued to the Wst German Police, but it's all steel. Looks exactly like Ed L's lightweight though.

Posted by: Eromero at June 23, 2024 09:22 PM (LHPAg)

208 That would be interesting to ask urban and rural high school/college males where one might find diaphragms and compare the responses.

Posted by: Moron Robbie believes violent cultures celebrating ignorance are inferior to the West at June 23, 2024 09:25 PM (b9jZi)

209 At some point though we will start having to make diaphragms from old inner tubes.
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Tell me about it!
Posted by: sandra fluke at June 23, 2024 09:20 PM (ZdexC)

I once made a fuel pump diaphragm from a piece of neoprene-infused fabric sold as repair patches for Zodiac boats. It worked just fine.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2024 09:25 PM (e1bCr)

210 "Tell me about it!
Posted by: sandra fluke"

Ha Sandra! I knew you were lurking.

Posted by: fd at June 23, 2024 09:26 PM (vFG9F)

211 https://tinyurl.com/2p2yuraz
Posted by: scampydog at June 23, 2024 09:21 PM (41CYW)

Fantastic! Very American. And the gun shows up at just under 2 minutes in. Just to make the complete circuit of tractors, girls, and guns.

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 09:27 PM (AWrpC)

212 I have a 1949 HP which was issued to the Wst German Police, but it's all steel. Looks exactly like Ed L's lightweight though.
Posted by: Eromero
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Yeah, that aluminum won't hold coating in a traditional way. It will hold spray paint like a mofo, though, which appears to be how mine was refinished.

Shoots great, though, and I won't ever touch the coating because it's only original once.

Posted by: Moron Robbie believes violent cultures celebrating ignorance are inferior to the West at June 23, 2024 09:27 PM (b9jZi)

213 If you are going to get an acreage tractor, you want it to have: a 3-point hitch (which will handle most implements), a PTO that can be clutched in or out from the operator's position, a loader. And power steering! I have an International B414D, which is a British-built machine, with a 4-banger Diesel in it. The feature I use most is the loader. Lift and carry!
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2024 09:19 PM (e1bCr)

Heard rule of thumb is 100 acres needs a 100hp machine.

I'd like a pre-emissions diesel - prices on those are high because everyone wants pre-emissions.

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 09:28 PM (IFNME)

214 Well, I guess if I am going to eat dinner, I had better make some.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2024 09:28 PM (e1bCr)

215 Posted by: Moron Robbie believes violent cultures celebrating ignorance are inferior to the West at June 23, 2024 09:13 PM (b9jZi)

Believe me, my example has flaws. There's that uneven application of the refinishing enamel visible above the thumb safety in the picture. And there are others that aren't, like frontstrap or underside of the trigger guard. For a while, AIM Surplus had "blemished" examples they were selling for a couple hundred less than the "normal" ones. I understand that these definitely had major finish wear or other blemishes that justified the lower price.

Posted by: Ed L at June 23, 2024 09:28 PM (yRXSd)

216 Night, boss. Great thread as always.

Posted by: RI Red at June 23, 2024 09:28 PM (nCaYE)

217 "I once made a fuel pump diaphragm from a piece of neoprene-infused fabric sold as repair patches for Zodiac boats. It worked just fine.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon "

One day this kind of knowledge will be gone and what are these kids these days gonna do?

Posted by: fd at June 23, 2024 09:29 PM (vFG9F)

218 Blaster, I haven't read the entire thread so it might've been mentioned, but keep an eye out at auctions and estate sales. I've got a friend that's bought two old tractors for next to nothing that way.

Posted by: Moron Robbie believes violent cultures celebrating ignorance are inferior to the West at June 23, 2024 09:29 PM (b9jZi)

219 The .300 Savage, if not the father of the 7.62 NATO, is at least its uncle. This makes it real tempting to form cases out of cheap 7.62 brass. But there are problems:
1. The neck walls on formed cases can be overly thick. Unless reamed or turned down they can jam against the bullet during firing, raising pressures.
2. Brass formed from military cases may have reduced interior volume, raising pressure.
3. Brass collected from machine guns is often over expanded, and needs multiple sizings to make it usable. See Small Base dies above.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 23, 2024 09:29 PM (/ZMUq)

220 Thanks for hosting, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at June 23, 2024 09:30 PM (yRXSd)

221 Signing off. Thanks again, Weasel, for another girthy Gub Thread.

Talk to y'all tomorrow.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at June 23, 2024 09:30 PM (srWfC)

222 For a while, AIM Surplus had "blemished" examples they were selling for a couple hundred less than the "normal" ones. I understand that these definitely had major finish wear or other blemishes that justified the lower price.
Posted by: Ed L

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Dang. That would've been a tough purchase. I like the one I got but I'd be irritated to get anything *more* blemished, even for $200 off.

Posted by: Moron Robbie believes violent cultures celebrating ignorance are inferior to the West at June 23, 2024 09:31 PM (b9jZi)

223 Also yes, thanks as always, Weasel.

Posted by: Moron Robbie believes violent cultures celebrating ignorance are inferior to the West at June 23, 2024 09:31 PM (b9jZi)

224 I have a 1949 HP which was issued to the West German Police, but it's all steel. Looks exactly like Ed L's lightweight though.
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Other than having a ring hammer, my nephew's 1969 one looks alot alike too although not as large a notch safety "knob". Wooden slats as well.

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at June 23, 2024 09:31 PM (ZdexC)

225 218 Blaster, I haven't read the entire thread so it might've been mentioned, but keep an eye out at auctions and estate sales. I've got a friend that's bought two old tractors for next to nothing that way.
Posted by: Moron Robbie believes violent cultures celebrating ignorance are inferior to the West at June 23, 2024 09:29 PM (b9jZi)

Because I was looking for tractors on Facebook the algorithm sent me ads for auctions and now I am down that rabbit hole.

That did lead me to a firearms collection auction....

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 09:31 PM (IFNME)

226 Thanks horde and thanks Weasel. The gub thread is good reading. Although I have this strange urge to go peruse tractor classifieds...

Posted by: TRex at June 23, 2024 09:32 PM (IQ6Gq)

227 Thanks for being here everyone. Hopefully by next week the katana will be getting close to completion.

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2024 09:33 PM (JwHpX)

228 And cheers to both Ed L and Whig for classing this place up.

Posted by: Moron Robbie believes violent cultures celebrating ignorance are inferior to the West at June 23, 2024 09:35 PM (b9jZi)

229 Oncet again Weasel done stirred up a mix of guns, tractors, girls, and crossties.

Posted by: Eromero at June 23, 2024 09:36 PM (LHPAg)

230 I was bragging on my Kubota but one thing I don't like is the damn plastic parts. Hood, fenders, lights, etc. It's like that on all new tractors though. Once the plastic covers and crap fall off I just leave them off. They don't affect performance at all anyway.

Posted by: fd at June 23, 2024 09:36 PM (vFG9F)

231 Ha. It's late in the thread, but I just saw that only 300K people registered their braced pistols.

Out of 40M or so.

Posted by: Moron Robbie believes violent cultures celebrating ignorance are inferior to the West at June 23, 2024 09:36 PM (b9jZi)

232 That did lead me to a firearms collection auction....
Posted by: blaster
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Heh. Last auction wife and I attended I got the, "That's two. I think that is enough for today." So I bought her a shotgun to make it three.

Posted by: scampydog at June 23, 2024 09:36 PM (41CYW)

233 Eromero, did your High Power come with a holster?

Posted by: Ed L at June 23, 2024 09:38 PM (yRXSd)

234 Great post and thread. Thanks Morons. Love you folks.

Posted by: Frasier Crane at June 23, 2024 09:38 PM (CWMF2)

235 Want a brand new alloy frame High Power? Girsan is making the "P.I." with shortened slide and barrel and has an LW version.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at June 23, 2024 09:39 PM (/ZMUq)

236 Blaster, I haven't read the entire thread so it might've been mentioned, but keep an eye out at auctions and estate sales. I've got a friend that's bought two old tractors for next to nothing that way.
Posted by: Moron Robbie believes violent cultures celebrating ignorance are inferior to the West at June 23, 2024 09:29 PM (b9jZi)

My tractor, I just fluked into it. I was sort of casually looking for one, and a friend said, "Hey, there's an old tractor sitting in the back yard of shop just down the alley from me. Been there for years." I went and had a look, and saw this International. Went and asked the owner in the shop, "Is that tractor for sale?" He told me, "It has been tied up in estate for several years, but that just got settled, and we have put it in the Bargain Finder at $3500." I said, "Will it run? If it does, I will have your 3500 in cash tomorrow." He said, come by tomorrow morning, and we will start it up." I came by with the money, we started it up, and I gave him the cash. He said to me, "the damned phone has been ringing off the hook all morning. Betcha I could have asked 5000 and got it. But you were there, fair and square."

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 23, 2024 09:40 PM (e1bCr)

237 But you were there, fair and square."

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It's nice to find folks that were raised right.

Posted by: Moron Robbie believes violent cultures celebrating ignorance are inferior to the West at June 23, 2024 09:41 PM (b9jZi)

238 Thanks for being here everyone. Hopefully by next week the katana will be getting close to completion.
Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2024 09:33 PM

Thanks for the gub, boss. Your Sunday evening efforts here are the highlight of the week for many of us. Looking forward to the next katana update. Hope you have a great week.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at June 23, 2024 09:42 PM (mH6SG)

239 I am hoping that a tractor deal just appears.

blaster acres is covered with trees. I need to clear some lanes to make this happen.

I think I will have to hire a forestry mulcher.

Look those up on youtube.

Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 09:46 PM (IFNME)

240 My Kubota was sitting beside the road with a sign on it. They had just put it out there. $6500 with 400 hours on it. With a front loader! I stopped and gave them check for a deposit and came back the next morning with cash and a trailer. I was worried the whole night someone was going to come along and offer them more.

Posted by: fd at June 23, 2024 09:47 PM (vFG9F)

241 We had some mulching done not too long ago and it was great. I think you can rent smaller versions of the mulchers now for brush and smaller trees, which would probably save a lot of money.

Posted by: Moron Robbie believes violent cultures celebrating ignorance are inferior to the West at June 23, 2024 09:48 PM (b9jZi)

242 I think I will have to hire a forestry mulcher.
Posted by: blaster at June 23, 2024 09:46 PM (IFNME)

Or just have Weasel and his Friend come down with an Uzi. They can cut 'em down just for giggles and the price of 9mm.

But mulching all that wood seems wasteful.

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 09:53 PM (AWrpC)

243 Weasel thanks as ever for the thread. Obviously I missed it this week. Distractions, etc. One of which was burning a Joya de Nicaragua Antano CT, one of my faves and reviewed here long ago.

Diogenes the Monte Platinum was one of my trial sticks way back when I started exploring the field a few years back. I actually usually take notes on first try, and while I haven't looked for my notes on that one, I recall it was not a repeat/"oh yeah I like this one!" situation. But also I usually attributed this kind of reaction to being new to the experience, and that the stick was just too full for my palate of the time.

I did like the drama and mystery created by Weasel's edit - left us all hanging for the "two tales".

Duty day last week didn't have much of note. There was a young (16) kid with his dad, kid was practicing (he competes), and he had a sweet race gun (9mm). One my RO buddies had a couple of interesting Mausers, Schutzengild guy who's always there my day was able to get quite a bit out of the stamps on the receiver - his firearm knowledge is incredible. And no "migrants" clogging the road to the range, but lots of choppah action and BP SUVs were zipping past all day.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2024 09:53 PM (GcNJ2)

244 (I can just think of a LOT of uses for wood on a "farm/ranch." Heck, use it to make beds for your roads. Or target hangers.)

Posted by: GWB at June 23, 2024 09:55 PM (AWrpC)

245 Uh oh...food thread got 309 comments.

Posted by: TRex at June 23, 2024 09:55 PM (IQ6Gq)

246 TRex too late to make up that deficit, I fear.

Probably just summer effect kicking in.

Posted by: rhomboid at June 23, 2024 09:56 PM (GcNJ2)

247 Most tractors use a common key. I would recommend having or installing yourself a custom key switch.
For what it's worth I, as an equipment mechanic for 15 years have the keys to almost all machinery before 2016.
If I don't have the key I can start it anyway.

Posted by: Reforger at June 23, 2024 09:57 PM (xcIvR)

248 5 Uh oh...food thread got 309 comments.
Posted by: TRex at June 23, 2024 09:55 PM (IQ6Gq)
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We still have three minutes!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2024 09:57 PM (JwHpX)

249 Wow, I'm never here on Sundays.
Food thread AND gun thread?
I need to rethink my life.

Posted by: wth at June 23, 2024 09:57 PM (v0R5T)

250 Food thread ONLY got 309 comments.

Think about how many people eat vs. how many people like guns enough to comment.

Posted by: Moron Robbie believes violent cultures celebrating ignorance are inferior to the West at June 23, 2024 09:58 PM (b9jZi)

251 OK, 'nite you guys. Have a great week!

Posted by: Weasel at June 23, 2024 09:59 PM (JwHpX)

252 Uh oh...food thread got 309 comments.
Posted by: TRex at June 23, 2024 09:55 PM (IQ6Gq)
.....

What a bunch of porkers.

Bye, see you tomorrow!

Posted by: wth at June 23, 2024 09:59 PM (v0R5T)

253 "If I don't have the key I can start it anyway.
Posted by: Reforger"

My tractor will crank and run with the key off if you jump the solenoid.

Posted by: fd at June 23, 2024 09:59 PM (vFG9F)

254 Been slow all weekend.

Posted by: Reforger at June 23, 2024 10:00 PM (xcIvR)

255 "Been slow all weekend.
Posted by: Reforger "

The Earth's core is slowing down.

Posted by: fd at June 23, 2024 10:03 PM (vFG9F)

256 Nood

Posted by: fd at June 23, 2024 10:03 PM (vFG9F)

257 I was expected to have my own keys for everything by customers.
I worked in the sticks sometimes 3 or 4 hours from anywhere.
I had to have them.
It's quite the bundle.

Posted by: Reforger at June 23, 2024 10:03 PM (xcIvR)

258 How does one compensate for a 60mm cannon?

I guess a concealed-carry hammerless 6 may make up the difference.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at June 23, 2024 10:14 PM (dmXQN)

259 233 Eromero, did your High Power come with a holster?
Posted by: Ed L at June 23, 2024 09:38 PM (yRXSd
No sir.

Posted by: Eromero at June 23, 2024 10:19 PM (LHPAg)

260 If you have a Hi-power, get rid of the dumb mag safety and your mags will drop free.

Easy modification and it makes the pistol much better for the trigger pull and for magazine changes.

Posted by: jj at June 23, 2024 10:46 PM (YNvsL)

261 I hav a B2600 Kubota. 20+years old, loader and little backhoe. It’s an absolute beast for work. Recently loaned it to a patient who was clearing up about 15 acres. It dug out stumps, some fairly large, leveled the place, and dug th footers fo his new house/shop he’s building - all in about 40 hours. It’s done a lot more for me. Recently put a fair chunk of change into the hydraulics but she only has 330 hours on her. One of the best things I’ve ever bought. Totally worth it.

The gent I loaned it to is very excited to buy his own.

Posted by: Coelacanth at June 23, 2024 11:19 PM (W+ZkI)

262 Grateful,
May I suggest something I do?

Line up your shot. Drop your shoulders, focus on your grip. Close your eyes and focus on your index finger pulling straight back in one smooth movement. Open you eyes. Get your sight alignment, drop your shoulders, check your grip. Close your eyes and pull again.

You can also do this fry firing.

Posted by: nurse ratched at June 23, 2024 11:50 PM (IE0Ac)

263 I shoot 22TCM. It's an interesting cartridge.

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