Gun Thread: Mother's Day Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Holy Hallmark Shitballs! It's our festive annual Mother's Day Edition! That joyous time of the year where it only seems fitting to pay tribute to the shooting Mom's in our lives, so Happy Mother's Day to all of you Mom's out there! In fact, all the shooting 'ettes deserve a special day of their own, don't you think?! Ma Barker, pictured above, certainly fits the definition of a shooting mom... or did she? While there is some question regarding her level of participation in the "gang" bearing her name, some of her sons were unquestionably familiar with firearms. In any event, it's an interesting story, some of which is chronicled at the Oklahoma Historical Society's website, and Wikipedia even has some interesting things to say on the subject.

Programming Note: I'm feeling a little under the weather so I will likely be in and out (mostly out) of the comments tonight. I'd consider it a personal favor if you don't burn the place down. Thank you!

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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FUNdamentals
Something we haven't discussed much here is dealing with malfunctions. How can you practice fundamentals if your gun is all jammed up? Let's take a look at some common malfunctions now.

But wait, there's more!

And still more!

And bonus SEH gal!

What other clearing drills do you practice? You are practicing clearing malfunctions, right? Oh for Pete's sake, please, please, please practice becoming proficient at clearing malfunctions by yourself. It does take practice, and you need to know how do do it unless you want to be seen as a helpless ninny!

Q: Weasel, does bein a helpless ninny impress range babes?
A: No, no it does not.

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Surviving a Traffic Stop Whilst Carrying
If you are regularly carrying your gun, and you should be, you ought to have a plan in mind in the event you're stopped by the police.

The one time I had a police interaction with a gun in the car was when I was stopped on the side of the road with a flat tire. Although not required to do so in Virginia , I had my license and concealed carry permit in my hand as the State Trooper approached and I was quickly reviewing in my head the little statement I was going to give about having a weapon in the vehicle. As he came to my window I said hello and offered the two cards. The trooper said simply "I don't need to see those" and that was it. Truth be told, I was a little dejected. I wanted to finally give my little statement.

WeaselPhilosophy teaches us when having contact with the police, or really anyone for that matter, but especially the police; don't be an asshole.

I knew that he probably knew I was a permit holder if he looked up my tag as he pulled up, and I wanted to do what I could to put him at ease because I had precisely nothing to gain by making his job any harder than it needed to be. It turns out the trooper was very cool and we chatted about guns and shooting as the flat tire was sorted out.

Gun Lawyer Gal makes an excellent point in the video, and that is the side of the road is not the place to argue about your rights or anything else for that matter. Save it for court if necessary.

What do all y'all think? Do you have a plan? For those not required to inform police you're carrying, do you plan to do so anyway? If not, why not?

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Range Time
Here is our overly verbose pal RI Red with a range testing report.

Just put glass on the AR 10. It hates 150 grain, loves 168 and may be fond of 175 and 185.

Whay use 100 words when you can use 15?

168's showing promise!

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Escaping Zip Ties

h/t Bluebell

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Insane Ski Run
Get ready for winter!

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The Story of Lead

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2024 NoVAMoMe

Note: One of the great joys of NoVAMoMe season, at least for me, is being able to cut and paste the entire block of text below and haranguing you to register for the event. Have you registered? Are you focusing on the fundamentals of registration?

Alright, guys and gals, the long awaited and highly anticipated opening of 2024 NoVAMoMe registration is upon us! That's right, registration for the event of the season is open, which means you can register to attend! You see, in order to attend, you must first register, and then wait for June 8th, and then attend! It's really more of an application to attend based on whether we like you or not, but what have you got to lose?!

Q: Weasel, your world frightens and confuses us. How do we, how do you say, register for the NoVAMoMe?
A: Welp, it's pretty darn easy!

First, check your calendars for June 8th, 2024, and cancel anything already planned. Good so far? Then simply send an email to WeaselBell Productions expressing your interest, then sit back and anxiously wait for a reply. Our pal and most delightful 'ette and MoMe Hostess Extraordinaire bluebell will review your application and relevant permanent record notations to decide if you're NoVAMoMe material. If you're one of the chosen, you'll get a reply with a link and secret password to the registration site containing all the pertinent details. Look these over and complete the simple registration form, following the PayPal link provided at the end of the form to make your payment. The $30 pp fee covers appetizers, dinner (BBQ Chicken, hamburdogs, sides, and dessert) plus an unlimited amount of fun! Since we must guarantee a headcount to the caterer, all registrations must be made online by May 26th. We are not accepting payment for registration at the door. You do not need a PayPal account to register and can pay with any major credit card.

A NoVAMoMe PSA from our pal bluebell

Hi folks - just a quick PSA. If you write for info about the MoMe, please give us a few words in the body of the email just so I know you are a Moron and not a spammer (moron). I do receive spam on this email account because it's sitting right here in my nic, so that's why I'm asking. I don't want to give our details to a spammer. Also, once registered, remember to check your spam folder if you don't receive a confirmation email.
Thanks.
bluebell

Seriously, just send an email, go to the site with the password provided, fill out the simple form, and make your payment. If you forget, a link to the email is on the main page, left sidebar. If you do not sign up, bluebell will be disappointed. Weasel will be disappointed, too, but it's bluebell you need to worry about.

Win a Dream Date with Weasel!
Due to popular demand, we are again conducting a separate raffle for a Dream Date with Weasel This fabulous prize includes an entire day of shooting and personalized one-on-one handgun & rifle coaching and instruction at Weasel Acres on a mutually agreeable date with yours truly. The lucky winner will be able to not only bring and shoot their own weapons, but also try out a variety of WeaselWeapons using WeaselAmmo!

We will end the day with dinner at a good Mexican place in nearby Appomattox. The winner will be responsible for their travel to and from Central Virginia, hence the separate drawing.

Don't be a pathetic girly-man loser, register today!

Q: Weasel, anything else for 2024?
A: Why I'm glad you asked! There are in fact TWO things to mention for 2024.

First, we are again having a pre-party get-together the afternoon/evening before the main event. Details at the registration site.

Dos, we are again offering a NoVAMoMe commemorative mug for 2024 available only to NoVAMoMe participants!

We sincerely hope you can join the festivities. I promise you this event is as laid back and non-anxiety inducing as humanly possible, and nothing makes me happier than to meet new people who have been reluctant to join in the past. If sitting on the sidelines and just observing is your thing, you can do just that with zero pressure from anyone. I hope some of the past NoVAMoMe participants will jump in and share their thoughts on the event to inspire the scairdy-cat lurkers out there to throw caution to the wind and sign up!

That's it, people. Email WeaselBell Productions today!

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Musical Interlude
Here is Bobo Bojangles with "I'm Sorry I Threw Up in Your Backseat" - destined to become a Gun Thread classic.

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Gun Basics 101
New video from the She Equips Herself gal! This week's video continues the series on finding the perfect carry gun.

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Cigar of the Week

This week we take a look at how to cut a cigar.

Oh what the hell - here is how to light a cigar after you cut it.

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Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar.

Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com
Nicks Cigar World New!

A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid

Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!

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***Mail Bag***

This week's mailbag entry is from our pal and fellow gun nut CBD. Gotta love Texas!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 st!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2024 07:00 PM (Wnv9h)

2 Gubs!!

Posted by: TRex at May 12, 2024 07:00 PM (IQ6Gq)

3 Good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at May 12, 2024 07:00 PM (fwDg9)

4 Yay! Gubs!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2024 07:00 PM (Wnv9h)

5 BANG!!! TO CONTENT!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 12, 2024 07:01 PM (f0/sc)

6 Thanks weasel!

Posted by: Scottst at May 12, 2024 07:02 PM (xZfwB)

7 Howdy Weasel!

Howdy Morons!

Etiquette question for Weasel: Can I ask some "gun range" questions in the thread without derailing, or should I send them to you and have you edit and ask them in a future thread?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 12, 2024 07:04 PM (HlyYF)

8 As always, thank you Mr. Weasel. Happy Mother's Day to the 'Ettes mit kinder, and hello to Morons one and all.

Posted by: Cowboyneal at May 12, 2024 07:04 PM (/jWPx)

9 Ma Barker was a peach
And rotten to the core

Posted by: Skip at May 12, 2024 07:05 PM (fwDg9)

10 Basic Gun Safety Vid

https://gunfreezone.net/and-the-ringing-in-her-ears-too/

I thoought it was going to be a lesson on wearing closed top shirts but there is.so much more.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 12, 2024 07:05 PM (cOq4q)

11 Looking at that mail bag picture gives me a sad. No. I do not live in TX.

In more relevant news, the weather is getting better, and the RMBS Mom is already asking for range time before the NoVaMoMe. I think I've created a monster.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2024 07:06 PM (Wnv9h)

12 Finally made it, Ma! Top of the world!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 12, 2024 07:06 PM (63Dwl)

13 Ooops,
shoulda put a line break.in there.
Sorry folks, especially those on cell phones with 2" screens.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 12, 2024 07:06 PM (cOq4q)

14 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 12, 2024 07:04 PM (HlyYF)
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Sure, ax away.

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2024 07:07 PM (JwHpX)

15 This may be one of the few places where people perk up with the chance to watch a video titled "A story of lead."

Posted by: TRex at May 12, 2024 07:08 PM (IQ6Gq)

16 Thank you Weasel for the malfunction videos. Great topic. Looking forward to learning stuff. Good to remember that things don't always go according to plan, so plan accordingly. Hope your bug subsides soon. At least it doesn't sound like appendicitis...

Posted by: TRex at May 12, 2024 07:10 PM (IQ6Gq)

17 Total Rookie!
But I don't care because it was the Gun Thread content that slowed me down!

Thank you for the Mother's Day Gun Thread Weasel!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 12, 2024 07:10 PM (ACqXF)

18 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at May 12, 2024 07:11 PM (yRXSd)

19 . At least it doesn't sound like appendicitis...
Posted by: TRex at May 12, 2024 07:10 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Nope. Migraine. Haven't had one in a while and had forgotten how much fun they are.

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2024 07:12 PM (JwHpX)

20 Back when I smoked more cigars the pros I shopped with claimed to never light a cigar with a match of any kind. They gave me little pieces of thin cedar wood, use the match to light that, light the cigar with the cedar.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at May 12, 2024 07:13 PM (MeG8a)

21 Happy Mother's Day all....

Continued the twice weekly practice schedule. Friday showed progress. Mainly because I ditched the black/yellow targets (couldn't see the iron sites with them), and created my own from white paper plates with 6 inch red target spot applied to them. Well, actually being able to see the target makes it much easier to hit the darn thing. Which for the most part I did.
Today's goal was to get all the shots on the white paper plate/red circle, and most of those on the red. Again, more progress. At the end of the session 63/75 hit the red/white, and most of them were on the red.
At this point I think my weak spots are still stance, and remembering to keep the wrists steady. So, the practice schedule continues.
And now I need to add malfunctions to the learning list.

Posted by: Grateful at May 12, 2024 07:13 PM (IQ6Gq)

22 Good evening to Weasel and the Gub Horde!

Posted by: Chappyman66 at May 12, 2024 07:14 PM (L3byd)

23 the side of the road is not the place to argue about your rights or anything else for that matter. Save it for court if necessary.

Wait...whut? You mean this guy is in the wrong?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rq4WnwjxpcQ

Shocked! Shocked, I am!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2024 07:14 PM (Wnv9h)

24 Nope. Migraine. Haven't had one in a while and had forgotten how much fun they are.
Posted by: Weasel

Nurse R. said brain freeze gets rid of migraines.
I have no knowledge of migraines and don't like brain freeze.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 12, 2024 07:15 PM (ACqXF)

25 Watching "The Story of Lead". Pretty interesting.

I do wonder how much lead is retrieved from a berm after lets say 6 months of shooting.

Maybe when I hit the range I will post that question to those that work there.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 12, 2024 07:16 PM (f0/sc)

26 "Don't be a pathetic girly-man loser, register today!"

So. No straws, huh?

Posted by: fd at May 12, 2024 07:16 PM (vFG9F)

27 Good evening gunthusiasts.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2024 07:17 PM (D/6Qm)

28 Good evening gunthusiasts.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2024 07:17 PM

*raises glass*

Evenin', Ben Had!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2024 07:18 PM (Wnv9h)

29 Good evening gubthreaders and all the ships at sea!

I am posting from the ER. Not for me! My Sister in Law fell off a chair and now has painful extremities hopefully nothing broken.

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2024 07:18 PM (oqfuk)

30 Evening Ben!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 12, 2024 07:18 PM (f0/sc)

31 Scoob!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2024 07:19 PM (Wnv9h)

32 Tis a fine thing when you have Cowboyneal, Ben Had, and the Weasel around!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at May 12, 2024 07:19 PM (ACqXF)

33 don't burn the place down
It's almost like he doesn't know us and trust us, or something.

Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 07:20 PM (1zxQh)

34 From intel in the last Thread, bluebell now has added ranged weapons, in addition to her formidable melée weaponage.

Just a heads-up.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 12, 2024 07:20 PM (a3Q+t)

35 RMBS!! Did you make your reservation?

I will say I am a tad shocked at the price.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 12, 2024 07:20 PM (f0/sc)

36 Evening Ben Had...toasting you with a tasty red (Meritage)

Posted by: Grateful at May 12, 2024 07:21 PM (IQ6Gq)

37 1 st!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2024 07:00 PM (Wnv9h)

*cough*

Style guide says first NOODS the previous thread.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at May 12, 2024 07:21 PM (/HDaX)

38 29 I am posting from the ER. Not for me! My Sister in Law fell off a chair and now has painful extremities hopefully nothing broken.

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2024 07:18 PM
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Yikes! Prepare the hot iron just in case...

Posted by: TRex at May 12, 2024 07:21 PM (IQ6Gq)

39 RMBS!! Did you make your reservation?

I will say I am a tad shocked at the price.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 12, 2024 07:20 PM

For NH or NoVa? NoVa, yes. NH, not yet. I need to.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2024 07:21 PM (Wnv9h)

40 *cough*

Style guide says first NOODS the previous thread.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent, STEM Guy at May 12, 2024 07:21 PM

You're not the boss of me!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2024 07:22 PM (Wnv9h)

41 A busy gub two weeks for me.

I got my SMLE No.1 Mk III* in the mail last week. [Well, picked it up from the Post Office myself anyway.]

BSA Co. 1943 "dispersal" build with matching serial numbers throughout the weapon -- wooden stock; bolt; nose-cap etc. "N 47715". Looking for the serial number for more info, I saw several from SMLE forums guys with higher 'N' numbers than mine.

Needs a cleaning but the only apparent damage is the middle, top wooden handguard is separated a bit from the bottom forestock that I understand is common.
1 of X

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at May 12, 2024 07:22 PM (ZdexC)

42 39 For NH or NoVa? NoVa, yes. NH, not yet. I need to.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2024 07:21 PM

NH. I will be missing this years NoVaMoMe (though the hotel rate is half the rate of NH).

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 12, 2024 07:24 PM (f0/sc)

43 Blaster, yikes! Why is everyone winding up at the ER this weekend?
Hope nothing is broken, and she too gets to home tonight.

Posted by: Grateful at May 12, 2024 07:24 PM (IQ6Gq)

44 RMBS's Mom maybe one of the few that got a gift of ammo for Mother's Day.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2024 07:24 PM (D/6Qm)

45 We have a farm with plenty of room and I am designing a handgun range for family and friends. There will be MUCH more shooting by newbies than experts.

I am trying to set up two shooting stations for the most common target distances, and can then design the rest of the range around the "core" function.

Moron advice would be greatly appreciated on the following questions:

1.) At what distance do you practice silhouette drills?

2.) At what distance do you practice small target drills (i.e. precise aiming)?

3.) How would you modify those ranges for new shooters?

4.) What is the distance you have chosen to zero in your sights for your self-defense weapon?

5.) Any other advice for other range needs, or fun shooting drills/plinking to induce kids to become Morons?

(Thanks Weasel.)

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 12, 2024 07:25 PM (HlyYF)

46 Scuba_Dude, Good to hear from you. Hope you are well.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2024 07:26 PM (D/6Qm)

47 33 don't burn the place down
It's almost like he doesn't know us and trust us, or something.

Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 07:20 PM

OR, he actually does know us!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 12, 2024 07:26 PM (HlyYF)

48 I would love to go lead hunting in a fire line berm

Posted by: Skip at May 12, 2024 07:27 PM (fwDg9)

49 AZ deplorable, I'm here to keep an eye on that Weasel guy.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2024 07:28 PM (D/6Qm)

50 So I registered my P226 Legion so I can my free bag and coin!

Do people actually coin each other if they have Legions? Is that a thing?

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2024 07:29 PM (oqfuk)

51 Blaster - hugs and prayers for your SIL!

Posted by: Iris, Team Hedgehog at May 12, 2024 07:29 PM (n3DL0)

52 AZ deplorable, I'm here to keep an eye on that Weasel guy.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2024 07:28 PM (D/6Qm)
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You got the short straw this week?

Posted by: Weasel at May 12, 2024 07:29 PM (JwHpX)

53 Grateful, toasting you back with a Malbec. Did you get some range time this week?

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2024 07:29 PM (D/6Qm)

54 So, got off the phone with my mother (Happy Mother's Day!) and there was a bed thing to report from her neck of the woods.

Some time back, she woke up to crime tape sealing off part of the neighborhood. There are yuppieville houses (her words) across the way. And in one lived a single dad, with two kids - one infant and another older child (I think close to teen-hood). And the ex-gf, from whom he had won custody of the smallest child (at minimum) had broken a window and gone in and killed him.

She went home and her dad took her to the hospital, then called the police and turned her in.

But, the important thing being (for this group)...
1) Make sure you're going to know if someone bad tries to get into your home.
And, 2) Be ready to deal with them, even if you feel like "That couldn't happen here."

I am very happy to know that the 'ettes here are at least ready to handle that second bit.

Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 07:30 PM (1zxQh)

55 Lead is getting scare in public use, tire weights are no longer lead, construction anchors are being swapped for other parts

Posted by: Skip at May 12, 2024 07:30 PM (fwDg9)

56 50 Do people actually coin each other if they have Legions? Is that a thing?

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2024 07:29 PM

I don't. The coin stays at home while the handgun hits the range. The gun has all the fun. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 12, 2024 07:30 PM (f0/sc)

57 Pillage we have 120 acres in Florida and making a range is on my to do list.

Handguns for me are 10 yards ish.

Want to clear space for at least 100 yards for rifle.

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2024 07:30 PM (oqfuk)

58 RMBS's Mom maybe one of the few that got a gift of ammo for Mother's Day.
Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2024 07:24 PM

No ammo, but she did get the customary roses. Then I cooked her a nice filet Oscar.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2024 07:31 PM (Wnv9h)

59 53/
Yes Ma'am I did...see post 21.

Posted by: Grateful at May 12, 2024 07:31 PM (IQ6Gq)

60 NH. I will be missing this years NoVaMoMe (though the hotel rate is half the rate of NH).
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 12, 2024 07:24 PM

That's right....I forgot. I'm almost afraid to look at the rates now.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2024 07:31 PM (Wnv9h)

61 As to the perfect carry gun....
Always keep checking out new (or new to you) guns. And be willing to sometimes leave your previous relationship for a new one. With guns, it's not actually a sin to be checking out the younger, prettier models.

Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 07:32 PM (1zxQh)

62 No shooting this week. But Steel Shoot Wednesday night!

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2024 07:32 PM (oqfuk)

63 Posted by: Grateful at May 12, 2024 07:13 PM (IQ6Gq)

Congratulations, Grateful! You're getting in more range time than I have lately. To create a "malfunction" in your handgun at the range, just load a snap cap into your magazine instead of a live round. Make sure your snap cap has a bright color so it will stand out amid a sea of brass on the range floor after you clear your "malfunction."

Another reason to get more magazines for your pistol is that magazines themselves are often the cause for malfunctions (dented feed lips, damaged bodies, etc.). Magazines are ultimately an expendable item. Don't hesitate to replace them when the time comes, especially if they're used and abused a lot (dropped in the dirt, stepped on, etc.).

Posted by: Ed L at May 12, 2024 07:32 PM (yRXSd)

64 Any favorites/recommendations on hard cases for handgun air travel? Ideally, something large enough to hold two gubs?

Posted by: TRex at May 12, 2024 07:34 PM (IQ6Gq)

65 54
How sad for those children. I hope there is extended family on the Dad's side to take them in.

One never knows, does one......

Posted by: Grateful at May 12, 2024 07:34 PM (IQ6Gq)

66 Blaster, hope the SIL is OK.

Posted by: Ed L at May 12, 2024 07:34 PM (yRXSd)

67 Love the Texas gunshop/bakery. Our local gun store sells farm fresh eggs on Tuesdays, free range and cheaper than the grocery.

Posted by: toxic jeff at May 12, 2024 07:35 PM (squKK)

68 I take it this lead mine on the video is closed

Posted by: Skip at May 12, 2024 07:36 PM (fwDg9)

69 63
Thanks Ed. Appreciate all the information. Hoping to see you at the range next week.

Posted by: Grateful at May 12, 2024 07:36 PM (IQ6Gq)

70 I take it this lead mine on the video is closed
Posted by: Skip at May 12, 2024 07:36 PM

Heh. Good one.

Posted by: The EPA at May 12, 2024 07:37 PM (Wnv9h)

71 Good evening.

Prayers for your sister in law, Blaster.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 12, 2024 07:37 PM (tT6L1)

72 Speaking of room rates. The place in Town has once again offered us a rate provided we meet a twenty room sign up. The price is very good. I will provide the details when you contact me.

Oct will be here before we know it.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2024 07:38 PM (D/6Qm)

73 sra blaster's (and mine because of course we have two of everything) was a Keltec PF9. Small. But kind of brutal to shoot. A true last resort.

So upgraded her to an Sig P365 which fit her hand well (and of course I had to get a P365 XL) and was a HUGE upgrade. But now she's shooting full-size handguns she iOS thinking about an Sig 938 because it has more weight.

I have no interest in having one so not sure if she will be able to get it.

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2024 07:38 PM (oqfuk)

74 63 Posted by: Ed L at May 12, 2024 07:32 PM

I have 4 magazines for my Sig. All were manufactured by Sig.
But I will not buy any more mags as I want to wait until I move out of the Peoples Republic of New York State/City.
They only permit me to have only 10 round magazines.
Would love to buy standard capacity magazines but it is a big NO NO until this unconstitutional law is removed.

So, going save some money for the time being. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 12, 2024 07:38 PM (f0/sc)

75 Any favorites/recommendations on hard cases for handgun air travel? Ideally, something large enough to hold two gubs?
Posted by: TRex at May 12, 2024 07:34 PM (IQ6Gq)

Pelican. Expensive, but they lead the pack when it comes to durability. If they can take what the USMC can dish out, they'll handle any abuse you come up with. If you're not happy with what's on the shelf, there are a few vendors at Chantilly who can cut the inside foam to fit your requirements. Don't forget to reserve space for at least three magazines per handgun.

Posted by: Ed L at May 12, 2024 07:39 PM (yRXSd)

76 What do all y'all think? Do you have a plan? For those not required to inform police you're carrying, do you plan to do so anyway? If not, why not?

No, because of the greater than zero risk of escalation by the officer into a violent encounter. I would prefer not to be shot during a sadistic game of internally inconsistent Simon Says.

Posted by: Guy who wants to live another day at May 12, 2024 07:39 PM (+Uztn)

77 57 Pillage we have 120 acres in Florida and making a range is on my to do list.

Handguns for me are 10 yards ish.

Want to clear space for at least 100 yards for rifle.

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2024 07:30 PM

Thanks blaster.

I switched to a plan for separate ranges for pistol and rifle.

I have never shot pistol at a real range. Behind table at TXMoMe is my closest approach.

Any basic features you have decided are a "must have" on your upcoming pistol range?

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 12, 2024 07:40 PM (HlyYF)

78 Any favorites/recommendations on hard cases for handgun air travel?

Pelican is the gold standard but (*makes rubbing fingertips with thumb motion*). Harbor Freight sells a Chineseum knockoff that's serviceable for a fraction of the price.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 12, 2024 07:40 PM (/y8xj)

79 @Ed L, thank you for the advice. Creating malfunctions for my carry weapons is difficult, because they're so reliable.

Imagine that, I've chosen reliable weapons for my "go to" if things go sideways.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 12, 2024 07:40 PM (tT6L1)

80 Pelican. Expensive, but they lead the pack when it comes to durability. If they can take what the USMC can dish out, they'll handle any abuse you come up with. If you're not happy with what's on the shelf, there are a few vendors at Chantilly who can cut the inside foam to fit your requirements. Don't forget to reserve space for at least three magazines per handgun.
Posted by: Ed L at May 12, 2024 07:39 PM

Second that.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2024 07:40 PM (Wnv9h)

81 TRex get a Harbor Freight Apache. A 3800 should cover the two of you. That's how we traveled with our EDCs.

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2024 07:42 PM (oqfuk)

82 Missed shooting last week. Had friends coming in to town and didn't have time to hit the range or the gun thread. Great weekend, though. Had fun visiting and basically not paying much attention to the world.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 12, 2024 07:42 PM (tT6L1)

83 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 12, 2024 07:38 PM (f0/sc)

I guess that means you're not participating in any IPSC matches until you're out of NY, then.

Posted by: Ed L at May 12, 2024 07:42 PM (yRXSd)

84 My Uncle was a gunsmith that owned a range. I'll bet when he sold it California declared it a toxic waste dump.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 12, 2024 07:43 PM (D/6Qm)

85 Weasel, once again, thanks for the gun thread.

RI Red, I feel your pain with ammo sensitivity.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 12, 2024 07:43 PM (tT6L1)

86 The Apache 3800 is $40 and has pluck foam.

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2024 07:44 PM (oqfuk)

87 And yesterday I made a pseudo-impulse purchase.

I have a 6.5 CR Howa 'precision' rifle with a separately-bought 3-9 x 40 scope; and I have the SMLE but the .303 ammo is alot more expensive than the 6.5 CR.

So I bought the Ruger American Rifle in 6.5 CR that was $200 off with a factory-attached 4-12 x 44 scope that the same store was selling on its own for about $350.

I figure practicing with the Ruger will help with the Howa; and even for using it as practice for the SMLE but with ammo that's just under $2 Cdn instead of roughly $3-3.50 Cdn for the .303! And I could eventually swap out the scopes to put the better scope on the Howa.

2 of 3

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at May 12, 2024 07:44 PM (ZdexC)

88 I still am a lazy idiot and haven’t learned to link but if I did I’d link the video of the female cop who had a knife wielding guy at gun point that was not listening to her commands and moving forward toward her. He left her no choice but to discharge her weapon which then subsequently had a FTF after the first round. He was still advancing but she handled the clearing protocol like a pro and eventually put the guy down.

Very impressive.

Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2024 07:46 PM (MNhXM)

89 That's why I might own 600 pounds of lead

Posted by: Skip at May 12, 2024 07:46 PM (fwDg9)

90 64 Posted by: TRex at May 12, 2024 07:34 PM

I have a Pelican case that I purchased when I got my first handgun. I think I could fit 3 handguns in there, along with magazines and ammo if I wanted to.
I have never used it.

Reason being when I got my rifle a couple months later, I purchased a Pelican that can hold the rifle, handgun, magazines, bipod and ammo.

Look around and see what would be best for you.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 12, 2024 07:47 PM (f0/sc)

91
The FBI made Ma Barker into a machine-gun toting criminal mastermind to justify killing an unarmed, innocent woman.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 12, 2024 07:47 PM (MoZTd)

92 On to the content! Thanks, Weasel and hope you feel better soon.

Posted by: Iris, Team Hedgehog at May 12, 2024 07:47 PM (n3DL0)

93 Good evening all. No range time this weekend bu some next Sunday perhaps.
Thank you Weasel and have a great week all

Posted by: Coelacanth at May 12, 2024 07:47 PM (hNXse)

94 Pelican.

Second that.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
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That's a brief review!

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at May 12, 2024 07:49 PM (ZdexC)

95 The Armed Attorneys totally miss a big issue for me, in terms of handing over a firearm to them: I will NOT hand them a loaded firearm. If a police officer demands my gun, I will insist (politely) that I clear it first.

Of course, if it's a bad cop (I think only a bad cop would insist I hand over my weapon unless I'm being arrested) they won't like that, and I will insist they disarm me, then. (I will also do the "Am I being detained? Am I being arrested?" bit for that.)

As they say, though, be polite but firm concerning your rights.

One other note on being searched. If they ask to lean into the car, tell them "No." That's a fishing expedition. They lean in, claim to smell something, and they use that as the reason to search your car.

Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 07:49 PM (1zxQh)

96 Hogmartin, Mrs. E,, and I made a range trip yesterdzy. If that spelling looks off it's because we found a Hungarian restaurant afterwards. No souvenir targets because they frown on folk carrying off their steel targets. We shot 1911, SA35, Glocks time many, S&W revolvers, and Sigs.
.45acp, 9mm, .380, and .38sp around 1K rounds total. We plan to do this every 2 or 3 weeks if we can.

Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2024 07:49 PM (NxC5+)

97 Skip, I believe that most lead in the US today comes from recycled lead-acid batteries, which are mostly from cars. Disposing of these as a hazardous waste is expensive, whereas recycling is significantly cheaper and might even put a few bucks back into the disposer's pocket. In addition, the cost of energy to smelt lead ore makes mining ore for virgin materials much more expensive than recovering the lead in its (mostly) pure state from recycling. This goes double if the bullets are made from copper, like the M855A1 rounds for DOD, or some high-performance hunting rounds.

Posted by: Ed L at May 12, 2024 07:52 PM (yRXSd)

98 @Pillage what I am thinking is a covered area - just a roof over a table. Florida sun is hot! And then a set of target frames that are mobile nearby for handgun and a more permanent setup on a backstop at the longer distance.

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2024 07:53 PM (oqfuk)

99 That's why I might own 600 pounds of lead
Posted by: Skip
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My unpainted toy soldier "lead mountain" is probably that heavy too especially as have 25/30mm figures too, skip, as well as 15s like you.

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at May 12, 2024 07:53 PM (ZdexC)

100 That's my understanding, most lead is recycled

Posted by: Skip at May 12, 2024 07:53 PM (fwDg9)

101 We shot 1911, SA35, Glocks time many, S&W revolvers, and Sigs.

Got anything to say about the SA-35, good or bad? I've been ~~wanting~~ lusting for one for a while and prices have finally come down to more-or-less MSRP.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 12, 2024 07:53 PM (/y8xj)

102 Had a good range day today. Working on purging the hidden flinch and punched a lot more holes in/near the center of the target with a lot more consistency. Fundamentals like stance and grip are starting to feel more intuitive/unconscious.

Started by mixing snap caps in with a few mags which got me off to a good start. Next step is getting off to a good start without that exercise. Still focusing exclusively on my gub rather than jumping between gubs.

Following the Weasel doctrine to methodically improve. He just might know what he's talking about...

Posted by: TRex at May 12, 2024 07:54 PM (IQ6Gq)

103 1.) At what distance do you practice silhouette drills?
10, 15 and (if I'm feeling froggy) 20 yards. Mostly Mozambique drills.
2.) At what distance do you practice small target drills (i.e. precise aiming)?
5, 7, and 10 yards.
3.) How would you modify those ranges for new shooters?
Start them at 5 yards, let them master the fundamentals, then increase distance gradually. Once they are comfortable, introduce them to timing their strings/shots.
4.) What is the distance you have chosen to zero in your sights for your self-defense weapon?
25 yards for PCC. 100 yards for rifle.
5.) Any other advice for other range needs, or fun shooting drills/plinking to induce kids to become Morons? It helps to have a table set up for gear, mags, etc., and to have a place to park your (empty and cleared) pistol before going down range to check targets.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 12, 2024 07:25 PM (HlyYF)

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at May 12, 2024 07:55 PM (3rnQf)

104 Miniatures are mostly white metal, very old Miniatures might have a bit of lead. Lead will rot if not kept properly.
Bullets get a white film on them is sign of oxidation

Posted by: Skip at May 12, 2024 07:55 PM (fwDg9)

105 Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 12, 2024 07:47 PM (MoZTd)

JEH may have been a lot of things, but he definitely understood the importance of good PR for the FBI when it came to getting more budget $$ in the Depression era.

Posted by: Ed L at May 12, 2024 07:56 PM (yRXSd)

106 So, range trip this week: Headed out to see if I could figure out why I suddenly couldn't hit anything at the 1200 yard match.

The rifle bays were all in use to the point getting some useful information at a leisurely pace wasn't going to happen. I changed plans and headed to the 500 meter silhouette range, which was empty and practiced on 5" diameter steel out to 500 meters, Unreal side note: Still can believe hitting dead center on a 5" target @ 200 meters is pretty much "business as usual" these days.

Anyway, things were dialed in nicely until 400 meters. (I was shooting a 178 grain custom load over my usual Hornady 30.06 Match load) Anyway, with the Hornady stuff, if I miss, generally, I'm shooting low. With the custom stuff being a bit hotter, turns out I was high, which was noted in the log book. I then moved to 500 meters and, aiming dead center, caught the edge of the plate. Moved the cross hairs to the edge, hit dead center. (slight breeze had come up) Groovy.

In the end, near as I can tell, my problems were A: Me and B: Me. I just was having trouble getting properly set up behind the rifle and staying on the target at the 1200 yard match. So it goes.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 12, 2024 07:56 PM (tT6L1)

107 96 We shot 1911, SA35, Glocks time many, S&W revolvers, and Sigs.
.45acp, 9mm, .380, and .38sp around 1K rounds total. We plan to do this every 2 or 3 weeks if we can.

Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2024 07:49 PM

1K rounds is just too awesome!

That is probably 10x the number of pistol rounds I have shot in my whole life. Thereby reinforcing my goal to set up our own range.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 12, 2024 07:56 PM (HlyYF)

108 Scuba Dude - re the amount of lead etc. recovered from berms - the three of us (self, wife, and son) went to Front Sight in Nevada 5 years ago for a 4 day course. Boy and I did defensive rifle, wife did pistol. 650 rounds over 4 days, malfunction drills constantly. Every year they closed the ranges down for July and August and mined the berms. One of the instructors said the company recovered $175K in lead and copper every year

Posted by: Coelacanth at May 12, 2024 07:56 PM (6DB2i)

109 I get lead from construction projects, like x-ray walls

Posted by: Skip at May 12, 2024 07:56 PM (fwDg9)

110 @polynikes, I think I know the video you're referring to. He got in on her enough to put his hand on her weapon, which I believe caused the malfuntion.

Yeah, she cleared it like a boss and hammered the guy until he hit the pavement.

Amazing how much lead she put into him before he gave up.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 12, 2024 07:59 PM (tT6L1)

111 Good evening fellow reprobates.
I can see that the MGC is well represented tonight.
No range time this week.
Reminder that in addition to the festivities on the Friday night before the Mo Me and the splendid MoMe venue on Saturday, the DMV MGC is willing to host any shooters who want to come to the range with us on Sunday. Only a few so far. We do need to know in advance so shoot (SWIDT) me an email and let me know and I will get you details. After we shoot we will be going to our favorite restaurant for dinner.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 12, 2024 07:59 PM (t/2Uw)

112 98 @Pillage what I am thinking is a covered area - just a roof over a table. Florida sun is hot! And then a set of target frames that are mobile nearby for handgun and a more permanent setup on a backstop at the longer distance.

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2024 07:53 PM

We get toasty in the summer also. I have a nice little piece of "forest" that is well shaded most of the year. There is also a creek terrace at that location that is a great backstop.

I am going to have mobile targets for shooting paper at the Moron recommended distances. I was going to put some steel targets out for the longer distances and the rewarding "gong" for when a kid nails the shot at longer range!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 12, 2024 08:02 PM (HlyYF)

113 3 of 3 And I bought 1,000 rounds of 9mm for the bulk rate ¢39 Cdn per round [not fantastic but it was from a local shop not requiring much travel time] for my 9mm PCC, and for my nephew's two 9mm pistols if we can keep them once the Conservatives form the next government. [There are issues with Justin actually getting someone to collect any restricted firearms to be seized from the law-abiding.]

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at May 12, 2024 08:02 PM (ZdexC)

114 Good Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and a hope-you-feel-better-soon thought for our host Weasel.

Auto maintenance consumed my range time this week, plus one car (which the middle offspring uses to get to work, and I heartily endorse that). Although YouTube is a veritable plethora of knowledge when it comes to car repair, it is folly indeed to assume that the YouTuber's "15-minute job" is anything close to the truth.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at May 12, 2024 08:03 PM (v23vE)

115 Auto maintenance consumed my range time this week, plus one car (which the middle offspring uses to get to work, and I heartily endorse that). Although YouTube is a veritable plethora of knowledge when it comes to car repair, it is folly indeed to assume that the YouTuber's "15-minute job" is anything close to the truth.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at May 12, 2024 08:03 PM (v23vE)
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Heh, Nothing like having what appears to be a ten minute job consume most of a day.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 12, 2024 08:04 PM (tT6L1)

116 Late, but with good excuse. Just back from three day trip to open family summer house in Mass.
Mrs. Red got a happy Mother’s Day because we finished in three days instead of the usual four.
Akshully, I was the happy one. Least favorite job of the year. But done, and the Marital Capital Account is replenished.

Posted by: RI Red at May 12, 2024 08:04 PM (O4dz1)

117 I don't usually post this early on a thread but it's a very good one

https://tinyurl.com/2tszajzz
20 Tweets from Bad Blue

Good night everyone

Posted by: Skip at May 12, 2024 08:04 PM (fwDg9)

118 83 I guess that means you're not participating in any IPSC matches until you're out of NY, then.

Posted by: Ed L at May 12, 2024 07:42 PM

Affirmative.
This year I want to carve out some time to try what ever handgun course Nurse Ratched comes up with at the TXMoMe.
Missed out last year due to working at the rifle range and losing track of time. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 12, 2024 08:05 PM (f0/sc)

119 That's a brief review!
Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at May 12, 2024 07:49 PM

Strunk and White are my literary spirit animals.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2024 08:05 PM (Wnv9h)

120 101 We shot 1911, SA35, Glocks time many, S&W revolvers, and Sigs.

Got anything to say about the SA-35, good or bad? I've been wanting lusting for one for a while and prices have finally come down to more-or-less MSRP.
Posted by: Oddbob at May 12, 2024 07:53 PM (/y8xj)
After I bought it I researched it (I know, ass-backwards). I replaced some of the internals before I ever shot it, and it will eat most anything as opposed to my old Hi-Power which only likes FMJ. It is a tack driver but I ordered a HiViz front sight for the old eyes. I trust it enough to carry. Mrs. E likes it except too heavy. I'm carrying it today

Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2024 08:05 PM (NxC5+)

121 I'm allowed to talk to my grandsons about guns. They live far from us and we only see them a few times a year, but they have been to the range with me and fired, stripped, and cleans most of the guns.

Today I emailed the 13-year-old, a deadeye marksman, the ballistic comparisons between the Ruger SP101 3" wheelgun he's shot, and the circa 1933 Model 94 Winchester 30-30 (saddle ring on R side) he has not fired.

I gave him the fps muzzle V for both 38-SPL and 357 mag, and a regular 180 g deer load in the old 30-30. Muzzle energy for all also, but for the rifle I gave him the numbers for out at 100 yards also.

I reminded him that you practice with the SP101 with 38, but if you are going to keep it loaded in the house, car, or on-person, you load with magnums. I promised him I'd have the 94 with us when we see him this summer so he can try it out. He's shot the AR and knows its light kick.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at May 12, 2024 08:07 PM (KiBMU)

122 That case that Blaster recommended is terrific. I can fit my 1911 and Glock without a problem and might be able t o fit one more. Also able to put some ammo in the case. It is bright orange and I check the case so it is pretty obvious. I like that idea better than hidden in luggage. I think it was pretty reasonably priced, maybe $35? Iris bought hers more recently so maybe can verify that.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 12, 2024 08:07 PM (t/2Uw)

123 Heh, Nothing like having what appears to be a ten minute job consume most of a day.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 12, 2024 08:04 PM (tT6L1)

Yep. Such was our fate today.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at May 12, 2024 08:11 PM (v23vE)

124 108 Posted by: Coelacanth at May 12, 2024 07:56 PM

Nice!!! Thanks for that bit of info.

I want to ask the indoor range I go to when I am to lazy to go to my outdoor range how much lead they are able to retrieve.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 12, 2024 08:12 PM (f0/sc)

125 Thanks for the distances SOB Van Owen!

I was going to have a small table at the front of each shooting station that was 16" deep for utility on the things you listed, and to hold a pistol bench rest for people needing to adjust sights, test loads/bullet weights, etc.

I was also going to add a picnic table for extra flat space, lunch, and a viewing station for those waiting.

For safety, should one shooting station have wood "walls" that are narrow enough that an idiot (small "i") shooter cannot turn around with gun extended and cover the observers?

(My family is not that stupid, but how idiot-proof does a part-time range need to be?)

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 12, 2024 08:12 PM (HlyYF)

126 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 12, 2024 08:02 PM (HlyYF)

May I suggest shelving/storage space for some support equipment, like cleaning kits/tools and supplies (lubrication, cleaning fluids, patches, and more)?
Save a spot for at least a first aid kit, if not a combat lifesaver or full medical bag.
And finally, some kind of communication in case you don't have cell phone service at your place. You won't need it often, but if you do, you'll probably need it REALLY BAD.

Posted by: Ed L at May 12, 2024 08:13 PM (yRXSd)

127 Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at May 12, 2024 07:47 PM (MoZTd)

JEH may have been a lot of things, but he definitely understood the importance of good PR for the FBI when it came to getting more budget $$ in the Depression era.
Posted by: Ed L at May 12, 2024 07:56 PM (yRXSd)

Ma was certainly not the leader but she did travel with the gang during the heyday of their crimes. Unfortunately she was with one son who decided to open fire when the FBI had their hide out house surrounded.

I don’t think the FBI needed a cover up for having shot her but they definitely did do what you indicated in exaggerating her role for PR sake.

Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2024 08:13 PM (MNhXM)

128 there was a bed thing to report
Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 07:30 PM (1zxQh)

Oof. "Bad thing to report"

Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 08:13 PM (1zxQh)

129 @Pillage Idiot, it's reasonable to assume the family will be safe. It is not reasonable to assume any of the inevitable guests will be safe.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 12, 2024 08:14 PM (tT6L1)

130 Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2024 08:05 PM (NxC5+)

If Mrs. E likes the High Power but not its weight, AIM Surplus still has stocks of the MILSURP lightweight FN High Powers with aluminum frames for $899. I picked one up and like it, even it is a bit snappy in the hand. These things are (mostly) ex-Belgian military police guns, so they've been carried a lot, but shot relatively little.

Posted by: Ed L at May 12, 2024 08:18 PM (yRXSd)

131 I posted this earlier but it's on point and I thought it was funny. I watched an actual murder trial on TV. The defense was self defense. A prosecution argument was that the defendant fired eleven rounds at the victim (but struck him only twice) and that amount of lead is indicative of rage rather than fear. The blond, female prosecutor, who appeared to be about fourteen, was attempting to make this point on opening statement by saying that the defendant fired "the entire cartridge" at the defendant. Later, on cross examination of the defendant, she said he reloaded the semiautomatic pistol shaping her right hand into a pistol and using her left hand to repeatedly rack the slide. Better than SNL.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, I've Been Through the Desert On a Horse With No Shame at May 12, 2024 08:20 PM (L/fGl)

132 Yikes!!

Was looking at the price of magazines at the Sig Sauer site.
Looking at $50 per mag.

I was thinking of maybe having a friend of mine in Texas purchase some for me and I just leave them with him until I either Escape from New York or they overturn the law.
Yeah, I think I have a better chance of doing a Snake Pliskin than NY changing the law.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at May 12, 2024 08:21 PM (f0/sc)

133 76 I would prefer not to be shot during a sadistic game of internally inconsistent Simon Says.

Posted by: Guy who wants to live another day at May 12, 2024 07:39 PM (+Uztn)

Yeah, that game sucks.

Posted by: zombie Daniel Shaver at May 12, 2024 08:21 PM (DTX3h)

134 SpaceX Launch from Cape Canaveral
Liftoff is targeted for May 12, 8:53 p.m. EDT (00:53 UTC, 02:53 CEST - May 13)

https://www.youtube.com/live/1dytbHKQlUI

Posted by: Vegan Virginal Vicious Virtual Vestal Venusian from Vesuvius? at May 12, 2024 08:22 PM (qfLjt)

135 Yup, Weasel, I’m now conserving words so I don’t have conserve ammo. I’ve even cut down on profanity on bad shots.

Posted by: RI Red at May 12, 2024 08:22 PM (O4dz1)

136 Well, time to wander.

You all endeavor to keep on keeping on.

Later!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 12, 2024 08:22 PM (tT6L1)

137 May I suggest shelving/storage space for some support equipment, like cleaning kits/tools and supplies (lubrication, cleaning fluids, patches, and more)?
Save a spot for at least a first aid kit, if not a combat lifesaver or full medical bag.

And finally, some kind of communication in case you don't have cell phone service at your place. You won't need it often, but if you do, you'll probably need it REALLY BAD.

Posted by: Ed L at May 12, 2024 08:13 PM

Thanks Ed! I have a first aid kit in my work truck, but will certainly need to upgrade for gun range and kids.

That was a very important reminder of something I did not mention in my list!

They did put up a new cell tower along the highway two years ago that now gives good coverage over our entire property. In addition to resolving the communication safety issues, I can now run the cell phone "real time" game cameras. Funny coincidence, the number of trespassers has declined substantially!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 12, 2024 08:24 PM (HlyYF)

138 Back when I smoked more cigars the pros I shopped with claimed to never light a cigar with a match of any kind. They gave me little pieces of thin cedar wood, use the match to light that, light the cigar with the cedar.
Posted by: gourmand du jour

MAPP gas torch with piezoelectric starter.
Trying to light with a twig is for those with too much time on their hands.

Though I would think the purest light would be the exposed coil on an old style electric stove, or auto cig lighter rigged up for constant electric flow and heat.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at May 12, 2024 08:24 PM (cOq4q)

139 Any favorites/recommendations on hard cases for handgun air travel? Ideally, something large enough to hold two gubs?
Posted by: TRex at May 12, 2024 07:34 PM (IQ6Gq)

Pelican is the big guy on the block. Their Vault 200 for a couple of pistols is ~$80. You will have to cut the foam - which isn't real difficult, but I can't figure out how to easily do it while leaving some foam on the bottom of each layer. It looks a bit ragged.

But, with 2 layers, you can put your pistols on top and cut out bits for all your magazines on the bottom layer. (There are 4 layers of foam, with 2 useable for your stuff, and the other two being top and bottom cushioning.)

1/2

Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 08:26 PM (1zxQh)

140 Start a firearms swear jar with the funds used to buy more ammo?

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at May 12, 2024 08:28 PM (ZdexC)

141 Since my truck is gun adjacent sra blaster and I just picked up (literally! Went to the port and picked it up on a trailer) a little kei truck dump truck.

Maybe I can add a crew served weapon and make it a technical.

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2024 08:28 PM (oqfuk)

142 129 @Pillage Idiot, it's reasonable to assume the family will be safe. It is not reasonable to assume any of the inevitable guests will be safe.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 12, 2024 08:14 PM

That sounds like a requirement for one "tight" stall and a RSO within arms length of any shooter that is not radiating the correct safety vibe.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 12, 2024 08:28 PM (HlyYF)

143 I really like my Pelican Vault. I bought it to take my carry weapons to my college reunion. I wanted to carry in CO, AND I hoped I might get to the range. I did carry, but I didn't get to shoot.

For pistols, you can pack the locked case* inside your regular luggage. So, noone can casually observe "Oh, hey, that guy is checking guns." The * is because, since it's a pistol case inside your other luggage, you don't have to use the "go ahead and open me" TSA locks. You can actually use a solid lock (and the Vault will let you use one with a big haft) to keep it secure. You will have to use the TSA locks if you want to pretend to lock the outer luggage, though.

2/2

Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 08:29 PM (1zxQh)

144 If Mrs. E likes the High Power but not its weight, AIM Surplus still has stocks of the MILSURP lightweight FN High Powers with aluminum frames for $899. I picked one up and like it, even it is a bit snappy in the hand. These things are (mostly) ex-Belgian military police guns, so they've been carried a lot, but shot relatively little.
Posted by: Ed L at May 12, 2024 08:18 PM (yRXSd)
Ed, she shot the Springfield Operator and the SA35 very well, she just says they are heavy. Meaning she will probably never actually carry anything bigger than a Kimber Micro9, unless it's a Ruger GP100 on a belt.

Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2024 08:31 PM (NxC5+)

145 Do you have to put you gun in an entirely separate carrying case when you travel by air or can it be stored with other things in the same luggage as long as you declare it?

Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2024 08:31 PM (MNhXM)

146 TRex, I'm looking at getting a Pelican Vault for two long guns, as well. Those run $250.

I am also looking at getting less expensive cases for non-air travel. They don't have to be as rugged since they'll just go in the back of the car. But I want them uniform so I can strap them together to prevent sliding around and such.

Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 08:32 PM (1zxQh)

147 Okay GWB read my mind.

Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2024 08:33 PM (MNhXM)

148 The thing that bothers me about the case inside a suitcase...My son once had a laptop stolen from his suitcase. The airline had no responsibility. Insurance did cover it under houselhold policy. Does this also apply to guns? That they have no responsibility?

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 12, 2024 08:36 PM (t/2Uw)

149 Does anybody know whether the extractor problems of the Springfield SA-35 have been fixed? I'm somewhat interested, mostly because buying a surplus Browning Hi Power is kind of like buying a fairly expensive pig in a poke. I've generally been pretty lucky with police/LEO surplus and/or preowned firearms, but if I can buy a regular shooter that conforms aesthetically and mechanically with the original, I'm fine with that - assuming the clone works, of course.

Posted by: Paco at May 12, 2024 08:36 PM (njExo)

150 I have a Pelican Vault 200 that picked up to travel to Texas and when the ticket agent opened it up she said "y'all ain't playing".

I picked it up at a gun show about half price it was a blem and the last one the seller had.

Also - you are not required to have TSA locks on gun cases. In fact you shouldn't because you are supposed to be the only one with the key. But the rules allow you to use them.

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2024 08:38 PM (oqfuk)

151 If you have a hard-sided lockable suitcase, that should be fine. If you have soft luggage, you can put a hard lockable case inside. Check the TSA website for more information.

Posted by: PabloD at May 12, 2024 08:39 PM (f7a6n)

152 From Insty's:

SELF-DEFENSE: Reloading On The Fly.
Posted at 4:00 pm by Glenn Reynolds

https://tinyurl.com/3sn4vya5
For revolvers; Shooting Illustrated.

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at May 12, 2024 08:39 PM (ZdexC)

153 P.S. Happy Mother's Day to all 'ettes that are, have been, or may become mothers!

We Morons would not be here without you!!!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 12, 2024 08:40 PM (HlyYF)

154 For those of you who may have been asking "where AK-50?"....Here. Here AK-50.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gisbc8h1tAc

Want!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2024 08:41 PM (Wnv9h)

155 I don't remember how much the case was at Harbor Freight but $35 sounds about right. There were several colors and sizes to choose from.

Posted by: Iris, Team Hedgehog at May 12, 2024 08:44 PM (n3DL0)

156 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 12, 2024 08:36 PM (t/2Uw)

Unless your homeowners' policy specifically states otherwise, I'd assume that the answer is no. Most insurance companies require their policies to specifically cover firearms if they'll allow them to be covered at all. And you'll pay a premium (ha-ha) for the privilege.

Posted by: Ed L at May 12, 2024 08:44 PM (yRXSd)

157 141 Since my truck is gun adjacent sra blaster and I just picked up (literally! Went to the port and picked it up on a trailer) a little kei truck dump truck.

Maybe I can add a crew served weapon and make it a technical.
Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2024 08:28 PM (oqfuk)
I want one. By the way, cool caveman nic.

Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2024 08:45 PM (NxC5+)

158 https://tinyurl.com/2tszajzz
20 Tweets from Bad Blue
Posted by: Skip at May 12, 2024 08:04 PM (fwDg9)

So, one is this: "Islamic fanatic Imam threatens Europe and America: 'Islam will enter every home whether you want it or not. We have a plan!'"

And, I think the answer from most on this thread is "So do we. And ours involves a lot of kinetic energy."

Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 08:45 PM (1zxQh)

159 154 For those of you who may have been asking "where AK-50?"....Here. Here AK-50.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gisbc8h1tAc

Want!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2024 08:41 PM

I think every Moron should have a gunsmithing buddy like the guy in the video!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 12, 2024 08:46 PM (HlyYF)

160 Strunk and White are my literary spirit animals.
****
Whoa, words I have not read nor heard in a long time...think I still have one of those packed in a box somewhere.

Posted by: Grateful at May 12, 2024 08:46 PM (IQ6Gq)

161 the hospital has given me quite the hash

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2024 08:47 PM (oqfuk)

162 149 Does anybody know whether the extractor problems of the Springfield SA-35 have been fixed? I'm somewhat interested, mostly because buying a surplus Browning Hi Power is kind of like buying a fairly expensive pig in a poke. I've generally been pretty lucky with police/LEO surplus and/or preowned firearms, but if I can buy a regular shooter that conforms aesthetically and mechanically with the original, I'm fine with that - assuming the clone works, of course.
Posted by: Paco at May 12, 2024 08:36 PM (njExo)
I think my extractor came from Cylinder and Slide. It works.

Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2024 08:48 PM (NxC5+)

163 161 the hospital has given me quite the hash
Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2024 08:47 PM (oqfuk)

All-time classic!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at May 12, 2024 08:49 PM (v23vE)

164
https://www.youtube.com/live/1dytbHKQlUI

Launch T-4 minutes

Posted by: Vegan Virginal Vicious Virtual Vestal Venusian from Vesuvius? at May 12, 2024 08:49 PM (qfLjt)

165 I hear the dinner bell ringing.

Like MacArthur said, "I shall return!" if anyone adds any more pistol range advice.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 12, 2024 08:50 PM (HlyYF)

166 Blaster, in all seriousness, hope S-I-L is OK and recovers quickly without a lot of pain.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at May 12, 2024 08:50 PM (v23vE)

167 I think every Moron should have a gunsmithing buddy like the guy in the video!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 12, 2024 08:46 PM

The lad is in a primary run-off election in TX-23 to unseat a RINO.

To paraphrase Risky Business....Congress could use a man like Brandon.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2024 08:50 PM (Wnv9h)

168 Gub! Hope you feel better real soon, Weasel.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 12, 2024 08:52 PM (mH6SG)

169 Late to the party, been loading magazines for the annual MG shoot near Steinhatchee for Memorial Day weekend.

One of the nice things about collecting surplus weapons, both rifles and handguns, is I have learned to clear just about every malfunction you can think of. The best, or worst, was when the pins on the fire control group worked theyselves out on an AKM I had been running thru it's paces. Live round in the chamber, fire control group all bowed up in the receiver and me wondering WTF just happened. When I got it home it was a sweaty adventure getting her disassembled while not letting the hammer slap the firing pin while getting the top cover off. Whew!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 12, 2024 08:53 PM (R/m4+)

170 Do you have to put you gun in an entirely separate carrying case when you travel by air or can it be stored with other things in the same luggage as long as you declare it?
Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2024 08:31 PM (MNhXM)

Any firearms have to be in separate hard cases. BUT, you can then place that case inside other luggage IF it's a pistol case.

I prefer that for the sake of anonymity (once you're past the check-in counter where you may have to open the case) AND for the sake of not paying for an extra bag.

Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 08:54 PM (1zxQh)

171 That they have no responsibility?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 12, 2024 08:36 PM (t/2Uw)

If that's true, it's true regardless of whether the case is inside another piece of luggage or not.

Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 08:55 PM (1zxQh)

172 Love the band “Guns n’ Donuts”

Posted by: Officer Friday at May 12, 2024 08:55 PM (yIIJv)

173 PI, we put action bays in at our club so that we could do IDPA. Biggest thing is put in berms on sides and back as tall as possible. Use fine dirt/sand without rocks - they do make things ricochet.
25 yards deep and whatever width you want. Definitely a table at the firing line. Best Practice is also to have a “Safe Table” behind you where you can work on a firearm but no ammo allowed.

Posted by: RI Red at May 12, 2024 08:56 PM (wrDSd)

174 So, The Story of Lead is supposed to be the movie of the week?
I don't think so.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 12, 2024 08:58 PM (lCWOD)

175 Agreed GWB, but it is alot harder to walk away with a bright orange gun case which is obviously a gun case. Most of the time, it was hand carried out when I went to pick up my luggage at the carousel or I had to go to the counter to pick it up and show ID. Just seemed way more secure to do ti that way.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 12, 2024 08:58 PM (t/2Uw)

176 My brothers and I constantly got in one shitshow after another. Mostly me, but all of us got frisky. Our mom would complain "oy vey, I feel like Ma Barker" when the cops would call her.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 12, 2024 08:59 PM (0FoWg)

177 Red Mind Blue State, thanks, I've been watching Brandon and his AK 50 project from the beginning. I didn't see this one come out.

Posted by: ck at May 12, 2024 09:05 PM (nMOLw)

178 Long day, Dr appt tomorrow so going to say Good night.
Range report next Sunday!

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 12, 2024 09:06 PM (t/2Uw)

179 If you're carrying valuables, put a cheap throwaway gun with them, and check the bag for the gun.. Then, it has to be sealed and checked by TSA management - much less chance of They'll Steal Anything ripping off your bag.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 12, 2024 09:06 PM (0FoWg)

180 The only problem transporting firearms I’ve ever had was coming back from FL. I had my Ruger Max 9 and two magazines in a locked metal case in luggage - no problem. I had a third empty magazine in my carry bag. They confiscated it at the gate. They were concerned that a number of people each could carry a piece of a firearm and then assemble them in flight. Not sure how they’d get ammo though.
I lost a perfectly good $35 mag on stupidity.
Well, maybe mine. I could have put it in the gun so all mags would have been in the case. D’oh.
But then I wouldn’t have been able to put the box of ammo in the case.

Posted by: RI Red at May 12, 2024 09:06 PM (wrDSd)

181 Just seemed way more secure to do ti that way.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at May 12, 2024 08:58 PM (t/2Uw)

Yep. Different techniques, is all. I will happily endorse yours. (The V200 does not come in fancy colors. But other, similar, brands do.)

Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 09:07 PM (1zxQh)

182 Gun related: My boss walked out from her garage, and gave me an old, break-barrel .177 air rifle. Blue Steel and some kinda hardwood. Likely, Birch.

The steel is pretty much specked with red rust, barrel to tang, with about a 50/50 ratio of rust to blue.

Given that the rifle is pretty much worth damn near zero in it's present state, it shall serve as an opportunity.

Electrolysis? Some kind of "Deep Creep", or Kroil?

Goal will be to get it as good as it can get, without a re-finish or re-blue. And then if the thing turns out to be a shooter... then maybe some CeraKote or such.

Photos of the whole process will be sent to Weasel, of course!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 12, 2024 09:08 PM (e6UQI)

183 One more thing about range day, only fail to fire was .45acp remanufactured. OK on the range, dangerous for real business. Good for barter in zombietimes.

Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2024 09:08 PM (NxC5+)

184 Jim SND, I’ve used 0000 steel wool and gun oil to work on rust. Really bad rust may leave a healed acne look, though.

Posted by: RI Red at May 12, 2024 09:12 PM (wrDSd)

185 With the bit on Insty about ChatGPT being fooled into telling someone how to build a bomb...
Has anyone here tried ChatGPT (or similar) on something related to firearms? Like "How to clean a rifle" or "What's the process for reloading centerfire rifle ammunition"?

I think it might be a fun Gun Thread topic. Especially something like "long bow or crossbow" or ".45 ACP versus 9mm."

Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 09:13 PM (1zxQh)

186 185 Jim SND, I’ve used 0000 steel wool and gun oil to work on rust. Really bad rust may leave a healed acne look, though.
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Boiling the parts too? I saw that on an SMLE restoration YouTube.

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at May 12, 2024 09:15 PM (ZdexC)

187 And, thank you, again, Weasel, for the weekly Thread of Infinite Joy and Delight known as the Gun Thread.

Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 09:16 PM (1zxQh)

188 Eromero, I can bring that lightweight High Power to TX and let Mrs. E. take it out for a spin if you want. I'd still call it a viable option for carry today in 2024 if you're willing to live w/ the downsides of the vintage High Power (hammer bite, magazine disconnect safety, etc.).

Posted by: Ed L at May 12, 2024 09:17 PM (yRXSd)

189 @Jim maybe laser rust removal?

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2024 09:19 PM (oqfuk)

190 In to say thanks to Weasel and everyone. Parent is having a tough time in memory care due to a Norwalk virus and has fallen a couple of times because she is so weak. Virus swept thru the whole facility and even got my sibling sick who visited my parents for moms day.

Y'all have fun. And don't do anything Weasel would not do.

Posted by: whig at May 12, 2024 09:21 PM (peJ7P)

191 whig, best of luck..

Posted by: RI Red at May 12, 2024 09:22 PM (wrDSd)

192 Welp the ER doc came by and told my SiL that she has fractures in her radius and ulna and a chip off of her ankle. Ouch!

Discharge and a referral to orthopedist tomorrow

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2024 09:22 PM (oqfuk)

193 190 @Jim maybe laser rust removal?
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Hair trigger??

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at May 12, 2024 09:22 PM (ZdexC)

194 189 Eromero, I can bring that lightweight High Power to TX and let Mrs. E. take it out for a spin if you want. I'd still call it a viable option for carry today in 2024 if you're willing to live w/ the downsides of the vintage High Power (hammer bite, magazine disconnect safety, etc.).
Posted by: Ed L at May 12, 2024 09:17 PM (yRXSd)
Ah, yes. The bite is not a worry, but...she has access to Eromero's SA35 as well as any and all of his lightweight, midweight, heavyweight, and crew-served weapons. I went to the website and kinda like the idea of a lightweight Hi-Power, though.

Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2024 09:25 PM (NxC5+)

195 How we doing vs the poncey food thread? What's the score?

Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2024 09:25 PM (oqfuk)

196 Thanks to all for the gub case feedback. Helpful.

Posted by: TRex at May 12, 2024 09:26 PM (IQ6Gq)

197 I guess I'll have to dive into some EweToob restoration channels.

I like the idea of electrolysis, in that it might revert some of the oxides back to a pre-rust state. Not so much as to reverse damage that's already occurred, but to keep as much steel ON the thing, as possible.

Oil and 0000 will be a bit of a last resort. That's the full frontal attack, and it's removing metal with every stroke.

Mostly, I'm wanting to document processes that work, and let the Gun Thread keep the documentation as Archive, for y'all.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 12, 2024 09:26 PM (e6UQI)

198 Posted by: whig at May 12, 2024 09:21 PM (peJ7P)

Oof. Prayers for you all, whig.

Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 09:28 PM (1zxQh)

199 200!

Posted by: TRex at May 12, 2024 09:28 PM (IQ6Gq)

200 Thanks to all for the gub case feedback. Helpful.
Posted by: TRex at May 12, 2024 09:26 PM (IQ6Gq)

I will have my Vault at the NoVaMoMe shooting event. If you want to personally check it out.

Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 09:29 PM (1zxQh)

201 193 Welp the ER doc came by and told my SiL that she has fractures in her radius and ulna and a chip off of her ankle. Ouch!

Discharge and a referral to orthopedist tomorrow
Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2024 09:22 PM (oqfuk)

Ugh. Prayers for her healing and comfort.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at May 12, 2024 09:30 PM (v23vE)

202 I would like to report that Dripping Springs vodka, made in Texas is suitable for sipping chased with a bit of ice water.

Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2024 09:30 PM (NxC5+)

203 Discharge and a referral to orthopedist tomorrow
Posted by: blaster at May 12, 2024 09:22 PM (oqfuk)

Ugh. Prayers for her healing and comfort.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at May 12, 2024 09:30 PM (v23vE)

Yeah, definitely.

Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 09:31 PM (1zxQh)

204 Remember in terms of stops, it depends on the state.

In TX, I was told in my (then) CHL class you ALWAYS present your CHL/LTC to the cops when they demand your DL and insurance. The reason being is that it will come up when the cop runs your license anyway. Police officers are assholes and they are looking for every and any opportunity to take out their rage on you. BUT...when you present the LTC, one question is taken out right away. You cannot have warrants or be anything more than a Boy Scout to have one. So you are removed from suspicion. And 99% of the time I have only ever gottten warnings (and DPS MUST issue a warning at minimum). And at stops, maybe about half the time I have been asked if I am armed. I just tell them the truth. The other half I have not been asked.

You WILL be harassed by police in the TX Panhandle, especially if you have out of state tags, thanks to nerby states' friendliness to certain...agricultural products. Do not give them a reason to pull you over. But if you do, give them your LTC, and that should do it.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2024 09:32 PM (8sMut)

205 RI Red, I feel your pain with ammo sensitivity.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing (tT6L1) at May 12, 2024 07:43 PM (tT6L1)

Thx, blake. That pic is from an early, very rainy session. Since then I’ve gotten a great node for reloading 168 and determined that the book seating depth is the best for this gun.
I was going to start pushing it out to multiple 100s of yards but had a honeydo weekend. Next week I’ll be wring out the 6.5 Creed at distance and be comparing the two.
I shall report.

Posted by: RI Red at May 12, 2024 09:33 PM (wrDSd)

206 202
Dripping Springs! Hope you stopped at Salt Lick!

Posted by: Grateful at May 12, 2024 09:33 PM (IQ6Gq)

207 Almost forgot to put in a plug for MY favorite gun mom: Angie Dickinson as Big Bad Mama. (With her sidekick, William Shatner, and her hot daughters.)

Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 09:34 PM (1zxQh)

208 200 I will have my Vault at the NoVaMoMe shooting event. If you want to personally check it out.

Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 09:29 PM
***
Outstanding. Thank you - and thanks for sharing your feedback here.

Posted by: TRex at May 12, 2024 09:35 PM (IQ6Gq)

209 I went to the website and kinda like the idea of a lightweight Hi-Power, though.
Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2024 09:25 PM (NxC5+)

I shot Ed's lightweight Hi-Power and it was so very comfortable and accurate, I came >< that close to buying one for myself!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at May 12, 2024 09:35 PM (hOUT3)

210 Punching out for the night.

Thanks again, Weasel san, for a great gub thread.

Talk to y'all tomorrow.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2024 09:35 PM (Wnv9h)

211 For pistols, you can pack the locked case* inside your regular luggage. So, noone can casually observe "Oh, hey, that guy is checking guns." The * is because, since it's a pistol case inside your other luggage, you don't have to use the "go ahead and open me" TSA locks. You can actually use a solid lock (and the Vault will let you use one with a big haft) to keep it secure. You will have to use the TSA locks if you want to pretend to lock the outer luggage, though.

2/2
Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 08:29 PM (1zxQh)

I have a solid set of locks for my Pelican case. I still just love how at the SWA counter I was asked if I was sure my locks were TSA approved. To which I replied with the truth: they were AF issue and were good enough for a gun case that had an M9 and M4 rifle. If that wasn't TSA approved I didn't know what was.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2024 09:36 PM (8sMut)

212 209 I went to the website and kinda like the idea of a lightweight Hi-Power, though.
Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2024 09:25 PM (NxC5+)

I shot Ed's lightweight Hi-Power and it was so very comfortable and accurate, I came >
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at May 12, 2024 09:35 PM (hOUT3)
I know what you mean. I only got some many dances left and I want to dance with all the girls before last call. Cue Another Chance by The Georgia Sattelites.

Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2024 09:38 PM (NxC5+)

213 I shot Ed's lightweight Hi-Power and it was so very comfortable and accurate, I came >
******
Ditto

Posted by: Grateful at May 12, 2024 09:38 PM (IQ6Gq)

214 Cue Another Chance by The Georgia Sattelites.
Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2024 09:38 PM (NxC5+)

I liked the one you posted last night!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at May 12, 2024 09:40 PM (hOUT3)

215 Weasel, hope you get better soon!

Posted by: Ed L at May 12, 2024 09:41 PM (yRXSd)

216 I know what you mean. I only got some many dances left and I want to dance with all the girls before last call. Cue Another Chance by The Georgia Sattelites.
Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2024 09:38 PM (NxC5+)

After this discussion I am rethinking things...

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at May 12, 2024 09:42 PM (hOUT3)

217 Before ye olde gub thread wraps up for another week... Looks like we're going to outpace the hot dog thread.

Thank you horde. Thank you Weasel. I learned stuff.

Best wishes to all with (or nearby to those with) ailments. Prayers up.

Posted by: TRex at May 12, 2024 09:44 PM (IQ6Gq)

218 154 For those of you who may have been asking "where AK-50?"....Here. Here AK-50.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gisbc8h1tAc

Want!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2024 08:41 PM (Wnv9h)

yeah, time for me to stop the Gub Thread YouTubes, lest I find even more things I don't need but really, really want

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at May 12, 2024 09:45 PM (v23vE)

219 Posted by: whig at May 12, 2024 09:21 PM (peJ7P)

Hope that virus burns out quickly, whig. Those things can really wreak havoc where seniors live, especially if they aren't that well in the first place.

Posted by: Ed L at May 12, 2024 09:45 PM (yRXSd)

220 Blaster, hopefully the SIL doesn't have to go through physical therapy. That really sucks.

Posted by: Ed L at May 12, 2024 09:47 PM (yRXSd)

221 I liked the one you posted last night!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at May 12, 2024 09:40 PM (hOUT3)
What was it? I disremember.

Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2024 09:48 PM (NxC5+)

222 The lad is in a primary run-off election in TX-23 to unseat a RINO.

To paraphrase Risky Business....Congress could use a man like Brandon.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at May 12, 2024 08:50 PM (Wnv9h)

Indeed. The RINO in question is pro gun control, and I sense from watching the AK-50 video that Brandon ... isn't.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at May 12, 2024 09:49 PM (v23vE)

223 180 The only problem transporting firearms I’ve ever had was coming back from FL. I had my Ruger Max 9 and two magazines in a locked metal case in luggage - no problem. I had a third empty magazine in my carry bag. They confiscated it at the gate. They were concerned that a number of people each could carry a piece of a firearm and then assemble them in flight. Not sure how they’d get ammo though.
I lost a perfectly good $35 mag on stupidity.
Well, maybe mine. I could have put it in the gun so all mags would have been in the case. D’oh.
But then I wouldn’t have been able to put the box of ammo in the case.
Posted by: RI Red at May 12, 2024 09:06 PM (wrDSd)

One time I flew through AUS to...someplace, I forget where, and realized later, to my horror, I had taken a G26 mag through security. Unloaded. Never detected though. Naturally I got that thing the hell out of the computer bag I use for carry on purposes.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2024 09:50 PM (8sMut)

224 "55 Lead is getting scare in public use, tire weights are no longer lead, construction anchors are being swapped for other parts"

This is ignorant and wrong. Metallic lead is not a problem. If you melt lead you need to take special precautions against breathing invisible dust. People who work in indoor ranges can also breath lead dust. If you are shot near the spine with a lead bullet the surgeon may decide the risk to the spinal cord is not worth it. People have died of old age with a 50 + year old lead slugs in their body. Lead salts that cannot dissolve in water are not as dangerous as those that are soluble. The really dangerous lead are the heavy organo-metalics such as TEL, Tetra Ethyl Lead. Until about 50 years ago motor gasoline sold in the US contained TEL. Now only aircraft are allowed to use leaded gasoline and the EPA is trying to phase it out.

Non metallic lead is a central nervous system toxin and people with growing brains are at elevated risk. Thus while its dangerous for people that are older than 11, the risk rapidly increases for younger patients. Exposure of any TEL to the fetus MUST BE AVOIDED.

I have degrees in Chemistry, Chemical & Electrical Eng.

Posted by: Bond in Michigan at May 12, 2024 09:51 PM (VM6fE)

225 220 Blaster, hopefully the SIL doesn't have to go through physical therapy. That really sucks.

Posted by: Ed L at May 12, 2024 09:47 PM
***
Lift the gub case. Put the gub case back down. Repeat.
Lift the ammo box. Put the ammo box back down. Repeat.
Assume a prone position and identify your target. Get back up. Repeat.

Posted by: TRex at May 12, 2024 09:51 PM (IQ6Gq)

226 What was it? I disremember.
Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2024 09:48 PM (NxC5+)

Turns out to be the same one, I posted that before I listened to it again!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at May 12, 2024 09:54 PM (hOUT3)

227 Indeed. The RINO in question is pro gun control, and I sense from watching the AK-50 video that Brandon ... isn't.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at May 12, 2024 09:49 PM (v23vE)

I do hope that Mr. Herrera wins. Though I do not think he will from what I have seen. It's worth pointing out that Reps from TX-23 have been serving for short periods of time as of late. It has undergone quite a bit of turnover.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at May 12, 2024 09:54 PM (8sMut)

228 thanks Weasel for the videos and another topic to learn....thanks horde for your help with logistical questions, it is truly helpful... this is really a special group of people and community...

Posted by: Grateful at May 12, 2024 09:55 PM (IQ6Gq)

229 Lift the gub case. Put the gub case back down. Repeat.
Lift the ammo box. Put the ammo box back down. Repeat.
Assume a prone position and identify your target. Get back up. Repeat.
Posted by: TRex at May 12, 2024 09:51 PM (IQ6Gq)

Is the grunting involved part of the therapy? Or just a bonus?

Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 09:57 PM (1zxQh)

230 Current Food Thread comment count is 214.

We have saved Weasel's standing for another week.

Bravo Zulu

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 12, 2024 09:57 PM (a3Q+t)

231 Is the grunting involved part of the therapy? Or just a bonus?
Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 09:57 PM

Only if it's Tim Taylor / Tool Time-worthy grunting.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 12, 2024 09:58 PM (a3Q+t)

232 ONT Nood

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at May 12, 2024 10:00 PM (hOUT3)

233 The ont is gone, Jerry! It's gone!

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2024 10:04 PM (RIvkX)

234 232 ONT Nood
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at May 12, 2024 10:00 PM (hOUT3)

Or so we thought -- it appeared, then faded away, in the style of Men At Work.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at May 12, 2024 10:04 PM (v23vE)

235 Oops, looks like blog problems?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at May 12, 2024 10:04 PM (hOUT3)

236 Finally, the air car I was promised. Now it's gone.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2024 10:05 PM (RIvkX)

237 I'm not seeing it. Harumph.

Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 10:05 PM (1zxQh)

238 And I had time to watch the vids.
Thank you, weasel-San.

Posted by: RI Red at May 12, 2024 10:06 PM (wrDSd)

239 OK, now it's a NOOD for real.

Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 10:08 PM (1zxQh)

240 ONT back up.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 12, 2024 10:09 PM (a3Q+t)

241 is back

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at May 12, 2024 10:09 PM (hOUT3)

242 Thanks, Gub Threaders, and may your week be one of only mild unpleasantness!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at May 12, 2024 10:09 PM (v23vE)

243 Thanks Weasel.

Get well soon!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 12, 2024 10:17 PM (HlyYF)

244 Range report.
I target shoot at the Crump Conservation Club near Crump Corners in Linwood Township about 145 miles NNW of Detroit. We have just started the CCC Spring Pistol League Matches, its simple, no prizes, shooting at 10 yards with a Ruger Mark IV .22/.45. I have not been shooting well, the first session I had a sore knee, sore foot, and many miss fires. I assumed that a famous American brand would be clean burning. It was not and I had to clean my pistol and buy federal ammunition. Last Monday my foot was still hurting and I had a sprained neck. Tomorrow I will try to ignore my foot pain and follow Weasel's excellent advice.

Posted by: Bond in Michigan at May 12, 2024 10:59 PM (VM6fE)

245 the first session I had a sore knee, sore foot, and many miss fires.
Posted by: Bond in Michigan at May 12, 2024 10:59 PM (VM6fE)

Obviously, your socks were way too tight.

More seriously, I hope that goes away. I understand it too well.

Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 11:34 PM (1zxQh)

246
"75 Any favorites/recommendations on hard cases for handgun air travel? Ideally, something large enough to hold two gubs?
Posted by: TRex at May 12, 2024 07:34 PM (IQ6Gq)

Pelican. Expensive, but they lead the pack when it comes to durability. If they can take what the USMC can dish out, they'll handle any abuse you come up with. If you're not happy with what's on the shelf, there are a few vendors at Chantilly who can cut the inside foam to fit your requirements. Don't forget to reserve space for at least three magazines per handgun."

I have two excellent military surplus hard cases for handgun air travel. I looked for Pelican, they don't have any brand on them. One is good for at least three guns the other should carry about six. When I bought them at the gun show the price was so reasonable I didn't bother trying to negotiate.

Posted by: Bond in Michigan at May 12, 2024 11:36 PM (VM6fE)

247 Good information on a traffic stop when carrying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6tANLJEmRw

BTW, states vary, as do jurisdictions!

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