Overnight Open Thread - 05/12/2024<br><i>[Roger Ball]</i>

Overnight Open Thread - 05/12/2024
[Roger Ball]

Greetings, oh great Horde of incredible magnitude! I appreciate your patience as I stand in for the pros. I am happy to share my joy about the month of May. First, everything is no longer covered with yellow pollen. Second, I can get through most days without some form of allergy med. Third, this is the month in 1942 that changed the course of the Pacific War. It was not the minutely, exhaustively researched, and reproduced Battle for Midway, which was admittedly an even greater event. That’s next month. I refer to the Battle of the Coral Sea that was fought from April 29 (or May 04) to May 8, 1942.

The Battle of the Coral Sea was the first time since the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor that the enemy’s seemingly relentless advance into the Pacific was checked. It was also the first major U.S. Navy fleet action against Japan and the first naval engagement in history in which the participating ships never sighted or fired directly at each other.

The Japanese were suffering from “victory disease”. Most of the Japanese people still believed the propaganda spewed out by the government and press. Any speech or action that would question the “information” would invite an uncomfortable visit from the Kempeitai. The army and navy commands, with a few exceptions, believed it too, thinking themselves invincible and on a holy quest for the emperor. And I will admit, there was not much prepared nor effective opposition. However, the first week in May proved that those beliefs were a bit ambitious.

“Coup de Gras – Battle of the Coral Sea” by R.G. Smith is one of many depictions of WW2 battles featuring aircraft and ships. The painting depicts a TBD (Torpedo Bomber Douglas) dropping a Mk13 torpedo on the light Japanese carrier SHOHO. The TBD was ordered in 1934 and entered service in 1937. Although it accounted for a number of firsts for Navy carrier planes, it was underpowered and dangerously slow, especially when carrying its primary weapon, a 1900-pound Mk13 aerial torpedo. A little surprisingly, the TBDs fared relatively well in the Coral Sea battle. But as we all know, their experience at Midway was “devastating”, not in a good way.

Both sides lost a carrier (SHOHO/IJN and Lexington/USN), a destroyer and many aircraft (92 IJN and 62 USN). See a graphic here. Thus, it might be considered a draw. But the action checked the Japanese advance in the South Pacific and is generally viewed as a strategic victory for the United States. It was historic because neither surface force saw the other. All engagements were carried out by aircraft. I think, even more critically, it was the baptism by fire for our pilots and aircrews. It was the first time they had faced the battle experienced Japanese navy and had fought them to a standstill. They had been bloodied but gave as good as they got.

Here's a declassified combat narrative of the battle from the Naval History Command archives for those so inclined. There are some funny things in the narrative like how our aircraft were engaged by “ZEROs and Me109s”. Heh…gotta work on that aircraft recce, boys.

R. G. Smith was trained as an engineer and employed by Douglas Aircraft Corporation in 1937. He developed his talent for art on the side. There is a good profile of Mr. Smith at the US Naval Institute here. Predictably, Douglas aircraft were often the subject of his paintings, but he painted all manner of vehicles and scenes. His work is prominently displayed in the Naval Aviation Museum in Pensacola, Florida.

To whiplash us to today, one word: electric.

Electric air taxi manufacturer Joby Aviation announced completion of its pre-production flight test program and is now shifting its focus to obtaining air certification using its prototype aircraft.

I have been following Joby closer than usual as my previous employer has committed a bunch of money to the endeavor. I understand the concept and it sounds cool. “Pilotless” still makes me nervous and I am skeptical about the longevity of batteries and electric performance overall. There are other players on the field including one that wants to debut their vehicle at the Paris Olympics this summer. What the heck. Maybe it will be awesome.

Here's a 5-minute CNBC vid about eVTOLS if you are interested:

But first, ”there are a few hurdles”.

But the quest to make these electric aircraft ubiquitous across the globe instead of just playthings for the rich is far from a given…Like all great promised paradigm shifts, numerous challenges loom—technical hurdles, regulatory mazes, the crucial battle for public acceptance and perhaps physics itself.

“…perhaps the physics itself.” Priceless.

Well…this actually looks pretty cool, physics be damned: JETSON ONE!

Now, just for fun, TOMCAT TALES. This was made in 2021 and you will see Dale “SNORT” Snodgrass who died in a small aircraft accident in June of that year.. It’s pretty long so pick your way through as desired.

The video has some very good discussions about the airplane and its 30-year history with the crews that flew them in peace and combat. At the 55:00 mark, you will see Captain Mark “MUTHA” Hubbard describe a ramp strike from the LSO’s (Landing Signals Officer) perspective. Been there. The next segment is about ejecting…been there too. I didn’t like nights either. It’s a dangerous job.

For even more fun, check out the official Blue Angels documentary trailer. It premiers in IMAX this weekend (17 May) and will eventually flow to Prime streaming. I’m going to see it in IMAX. If you have the opportunity, you should too.

You can use the IMAX website to find theaters and showtimes.
This ONT humbly brought to you by the Sound of Freedom.

*****

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1 ho

Posted by: Admiral Spinebender at May 12, 2024 09:56 PM (duT0u)

2 Yo Ho...and a bottle of rum!

Posted by: Admiral Spinebender at May 12, 2024 09:56 PM (duT0u)

3 Yay, Limerick Day ONT!

Please be good to each other
To every sister and brother
And you may surmise
That it would be wise
To wish a good day to your mother

Yeah, Muldoon could have done better.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at May 12, 2024 09:56 PM (dZVON)

4 Good evening morons and welcome to Roger Ball's alternative timeline where things make sense

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2024 09:57 PM (RIvkX)

5 Ko

Posted by: Muchas buchas at May 12, 2024 09:58 PM (cgBEE)

6 Good evening Hordians!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at May 12, 2024 09:58 PM (hOUT3)

7 Dear Mr. R. G. Smith,

No French, obviously.

Love, San Franpsycho

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2024 09:58 PM (RIvkX)

8 Sorry I'm late, the clerk at Circle K wouldn't give me a refund on my lottery tickets.

Posted by: tanldemon at May 12, 2024 09:59 PM (WAupR)

9 somewhere

Posted by: Ciampino - FBI called because someone misnamed others?! at May 12, 2024 09:59 PM (qfLjt)

10 Sorry I'm late, I was wondering if I could use my psychic powers to make tankdemon misspell his nic.

Posted by: mikeski at May 12, 2024 10:00 PM (DgGvY)

11 I had a great-uncle who was on the Lexington, he survived the sinking, had another ship sunk under him later in the war, and lived to be 100.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 12, 2024 10:01 PM (EcuTp)

12 Can't go wrong with a WWII naval leadoff story. Thanks Roger!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at May 12, 2024 10:01 PM (v23vE)

13 Finally, the air car I was promised.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2024 10:02 PM (RIvkX)

14 Oh...dates are just a social construct by the "man".

Posted by: OBAGeezer at May 12, 2024 10:05 PM (C8ve7)

15 Also, I was first but then someone did something.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2024 10:06 PM (RIvkX)

16 Electric helicopters! All the fun of lithium battery fires, plus a few thousand feet!

Posted by: mikeski at May 12, 2024 10:06 PM (DgGvY)

17 Good Evening

Posted by: Braenyard at May 12, 2024 10:06 PM (lCWOD)

18 10 Sorry I'm late, I was wondering if I could use my psychic powers to make tankdemon misspell his nic.
Posted by: mikeski at May 12, 2024 10:00 PM (DgGvY)

Maybe I'm just bad at sock puppets.

Posted by: tankdemon at May 12, 2024 10:07 PM (WAupR)

19 16 Electric helicopters! All the fun of lithium battery fires, plus a few thousand feet!
Posted by: mikeski at May 12, 2024 10:06 PM (DgGvY)

Talk about fanning the flames!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at May 12, 2024 10:07 PM (hOUT3)

20 I had a great-uncle who was on the Lexington, he survived the sinking, had another ship sunk under him later in the war, and lived to be 100.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy

Was his tour over after the second ship, or does the Navy just declare you a jinx after your second sinking and not put you on a third ship?

Posted by: mikeski at May 12, 2024 10:08 PM (DgGvY)

21 As previously posted, you can never go wrong with a naval battle from WWII as your lead story. Thanks, Roger, and evening, Horde!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at May 12, 2024 10:08 PM (v23vE)

22 Thanks for the dandy ONT, Roger Ball!

Not sure I would trust a pilotless aircraft...

Posted by: Legally Sufficient at May 12, 2024 10:08 PM (U3L4U)

23 16 Electric helicopters! All the fun of lithium battery fires, plus a few thousand feet!

Posted by: mikeski at May 12, 2024 10:06 PM (DgGvY)
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16 Electric helicopters! All the fun of lithium battery fires dfanned by a ginormous fan, plus a few thousand feet!

Posted by: Ciampino - FeeBeeEye called because someone misnamed others at May 12, 2024 10:10 PM (qfLjt)

24 Sorry I'm late, I was wondering if I could use my psychic powers to make tankdemon misspell his nic.
Posted by: mikeski
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Heh.

Posted by: scampydog at May 12, 2024 10:10 PM (41CYW)

25 Not sure I would trust a pilotless aircraft...
Posted by: Legally Sufficient at May 12, 2024 10:08 PM (U3L4U)

Even less than I'd trust a driverless car!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at May 12, 2024 10:10 PM (hOUT3)

26 Ahh. Naval Aviation In Art?

Posted by: Guy who relates everything to a Zappa song at May 12, 2024 10:12 PM (vFG9F)

27 11 I had a great-uncle who was on the Lexington, he survived the sinking, had another ship sunk under him later in the war, and lived to be 100.

Whoa! Was your great-uncle's name Jonah?

Posted by: Loose Lips at May 12, 2024 10:12 PM (V5BDR)

28 Was his tour over after the second ship, or does the Navy just declare you a jinx after your second sinking and not put you on a third ship?
Posted by: mikeski at May 12, 2024 10:08 PM (DgGvY)

His next assignment should have been USS Desk

Posted by: a dude in MI at May 12, 2024 10:13 PM (+I6Y/)

29 Yeah, Muldoon could have done better.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at May 12, 2024 09:56 PM (dZVON)

You did all right.

Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 10:13 PM (1zxQh)

30 I had a great-uncle who was on the Lexington, he survived the sinking, had another ship sunk under him later in the war, and lived to be 100.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 12, 2024 10:01 PM (EcuTp)

But, was presumably never allowed to go on cruises in his later years?

Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 10:14 PM (1zxQh)

31 As you know, or will know in a few seconds if you continue reading, the NHL is adding a team in Utah. They will begin play next season, but have not yet come up with a name. This is where you can help. Though it is already to late to get a logo/color scheme/mascot for the inaugural season (they will just be known as "The Utah NHL Team") they are having a fan vote to decide on the name. Link here. https://tinyurl.com/nshw5cvd

Can we please make sure that the winner isn't "The Utah Powder"? Please? It's bad enough for a player to be stuck in Utah, but to be called the Powder is a bit too insulting.

Actually, I am a bit surprised that the "Utah Polygamists" isn't a choice.
Act

Posted by: tankdemon at May 12, 2024 10:15 PM (WAupR)

32 I was expecting the Jetson sound effects.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 12, 2024 10:15 PM (63Dwl)

33 But the action checked the Japanese advance in the South Pacific and is generally viewed as a strategic victory for the United States.

Hmmm, I'm not so sure. The Japanese could afford to lose a lot more than we could at that point. We lost Lexington, leaving us with three (really 2.5, given that Yorktown was in bad shape), while the Japs had at least 6. All those numbers are pulled out of deep storage, so I'm prepared for correction.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 12, 2024 10:16 PM (CsUN+)

34 Evenin'

Blue Angels? Need a music video for that. Oh, wait!

https://youtu.be/sFmTwJ-LQMA?si=aqKNdUso8JQMK-1o

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at May 12, 2024 10:16 PM (sAmhv)

35 In order to prevent classification as toxic waste sites, all congressional office buildings will have air conditioning and electrical lighting removed. All congressional meetings and votes will be held outdoors, in the interest of transparency.

Congress was given the choice of working remotely, but felt that working outside in thunderstorms was preferable to being near the people they represent.

(Good enough for the Babylon Bee?)

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at May 12, 2024 10:17 PM (VNX3d)

36 OTOH, it looks like the IJN lost a lot more planes / pilots than we did, and given the paucity of trainee pilots in their pipeline compared to ours, I suppose one could say it was the beginning of the long grinding down of IJN aviation.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 12, 2024 10:18 PM (CsUN+)

37 Can we please make sure that the winner isn't "The Utah Powder"? Please? It's bad enough for a player to be stuck in Utah, but to be called the Powder is a bit too insulting.

I made my four selections, but then they wanted my name and email. I'm too lazy to make something up, so I bailed.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at May 12, 2024 10:18 PM (dZVON)

38 Tomcats, eh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siwpn14IE7E

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 12, 2024 10:18 PM (a3Q+t)

39 37 I made my four selections, but then they wanted my name and email. I'm too lazy to make something up, so I bailed.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at May 12, 2024 10:18 PM (dZVON)

Sorry, I should have warned you all about that.

Posted by: tankdemon at May 12, 2024 10:19 PM (WAupR)

40 those Utah name choices SUCKED

wth!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 12, 2024 10:19 PM (s3qiR)

41 Most of the Japanese people still believed the propaganda spewed out by the government and press. Any speech or action that would question the “information” would invite an uncomfortable visit from the Kempeitai.

Wow, I would have thought those guys were too old to land plum assignments working for the Biden Administration.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 12, 2024 10:20 PM (HlyYF)

42 Powder McPowderface

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 12, 2024 10:20 PM (63Dwl)

43 I had a great-uncle who was on the Lexington, he survived the sinking, had another ship sunk under him later in the war, and lived to be 100.

==

that's amazing

Posted by: runner at May 12, 2024 10:20 PM (V13WU)

44 OTOOH, we had a far higher capacity to replace carriers, and much more modern designs than the IJN.

I still think it's a reach to call it a strategic victory, though.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 12, 2024 10:20 PM (CsUN+)

45 Back up to third in sock puppet sweepstakes. Owe it all to clean living and Cocoa Marsh.

Posted by: Need Supervision at May 12, 2024 10:20 PM (V5BDR)

46 Hmmm, I'm not so sure. The Japanese could afford to lose a lot more than we could at that point. We lost Lexington, leaving us with three (really 2.5, given that Yorktown was in bad shape), while the Japs had at least 6. All those numbers are pulled out of deep storage, so I'm prepared for correction.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 12, 2024 10:16 PM (CsUN+)

We had the Enterprise, Hornet, and the damaged Yorktown. The Japanese had the Akagi, Kaga, Soryu, Hiryu, Shokaku, and Zuikaku. One of the last two was damaged, and the other had lost a significant part of its air group, so they were not use for the operations at Midway.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at May 12, 2024 10:21 PM (VNX3d)

47 40 those Utah name choices SUCKED

wth!
Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 12, 2024 10:19 PM (s3qiR)

Well, the names do have to be decaffeinated.

Posted by: tankdemon at May 12, 2024 10:21 PM (WAupR)

48 The Utah Cannibals.

Posted by: Joe Biden at May 12, 2024 10:21 PM (SYTee)

49 Air Taxi looks too much like Osprey technology. Would not hail this cab.

Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2024 10:21 PM (inGXk)

50 I was at Savannah airport on Monday morning when several F35s took off...one after another.

That was absolutely amazing.

No idea why they were there... maybe getting work done at the Gulfstream plant.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 12, 2024 10:22 PM (d9fT1)

51 Well nuts. The closest IMAX is 50 miles away. I'm out of town all next weekend and all the showing after that are at 4:00 PM. Guess I'm not going to see it in IMAX.

Posted by: Oddbob at May 12, 2024 10:22 PM (/y8xj)

52 11 I had a great-uncle who was on the Lexington, he survived the sinking, had another ship sunk under him later in the war, and lived to be 100.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 12, 2024 10:01 PM

Wow!

I hope his will bequeathed to you his lucky rabbit's foot!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at May 12, 2024 10:23 PM (HlyYF)

53 The Utah Salts

The Utah Braves

The Utah Puddy Tats?

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at May 12, 2024 10:23 PM (VNX3d)

54 Judy Jetson is 77 years old.

Posted by: Let That Sink In at May 12, 2024 10:23 PM (V5BDR)

55 Evenin’, All.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 12, 2024 10:24 PM (9yWhg)

56 Blue Angel did a low pass over me, probably no more than 200 feet (I could have seen the expression on the pilot's face had he not had his visor down) when I was in a grocery parking lot in Bellechase, LA. I gave a Rebel Yell.

Posted by: Javems at May 12, 2024 10:24 PM (8I4hW)

57 The Utah Canoodlers.

Posted by: Mormon at May 12, 2024 10:24 PM (SYTee)

58 The Utah Salties

Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2024 10:25 PM (inGXk)

59 Thanks for the thread, RB. Anything aviation-related is a treat for me.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at May 12, 2024 10:25 PM (mH6SG)

60 54 Judy Jetson is 77 years old.
Posted by: Let That Sink In at May 12, 2024 10:23 PM (V5BDR)

How is that possible? She hasn't even been born yet.

Posted by: tankdemon at May 12, 2024 10:25 PM (WAupR)

61 That helicopter-taxi needs to be called The Ginsu.

It slices! It Dices! It's even a Choppah!

And you're always GUARANTEED a "Landing!"

*pours bourbon* ONT Greetings, Horde. CHEERS!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 12, 2024 10:25 PM (e6UQI)

62 A flat rock would fly better than that quadcopter if the power fails. Having watched a drone crash to the ground after clipping a tree, there ain't no way you are getting me up in that thing.

Posted by: Guy who relates everything to a Zappa song at May 12, 2024 10:26 PM (vFG9F)

63 The Utah Air? The Utah Free?

...SLC Punks?

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 12, 2024 10:26 PM (s3qiR)

64 My Father watched the Blue Angels on top of the Ellsworth base Hospital while I was being born.

At least that's what I've been told.

Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2024 10:27 PM (inGXk)

65 Blue Angel did a low pass over me, probably no more than 200 feet (I could have seen the expression on the pilot's face had he not had his visor down) when I was in a grocery parking lot in Bellechase, LA. I gave a Rebel Yell.

You stood there and yelled, "More! More! More!"?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at May 12, 2024 10:27 PM (dZVON)

66 The Utah Choir?

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at May 12, 2024 10:27 PM (VNX3d)

67 The Utah Puddy Tats?
Posted by: Hour of the Wolf

* golf clap *

Posted by: mikeski at May 12, 2024 10:27 PM (DgGvY)

68 Utah Spook Datacenters

Probably too wordy.

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at May 12, 2024 10:27 PM (sAmhv)

69 63 I would probably buy an SLC Punks sweater.

Posted by: tankdemon at May 12, 2024 10:27 PM (WAupR)

70 54 Judy Jetson is 77 years old.

Posted by: Let That Sink In at May 12, 2024 10:23 PM (V5BDR)

Still living at home and doesn't look a day over 16.
That's our future.

Posted by: Reforger at May 12, 2024 10:27 PM (B705c)

71 Utah Salt Licks

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 12, 2024 10:27 PM (4I/2K)

72 Blue Angels? Need a music video for that. Oh, wait!

https://youtu.be/sFmTwJ-LQMA?si=aqKNdUso8JQMK-1o
Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at May 12, 2024 10:16 PM

I got a little bit of stick time in a TA-4 as a midshipman. The aircraft was incredibly sensitive in pitch. To fly them like that is ... wow.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 12, 2024 10:28 PM (a3Q+t)

73 Not a plane oriented question, sorry. Anyone see the IKEA commercial advertising lowered prices due to the economy? How long before the doj indicts them for election interference?
Plane related, hubby nec survived his flight on a Boeing 737 today.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at May 12, 2024 10:28 PM (2NHgQ)

74 Hmmm, I'm not so sure. The Japanese could afford to lose a lot more than we could at that point. We lost Lexington, leaving us with three (really 2.5, given that Yorktown was in bad shape), while the Japs had at least 6. All those numbers are pulled out of deep storage, so I'm prepared for correction.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 12, 2024 10:16 PM (CsUN+)

I refer you to "Shattered Sword" by Parshall and Tully, who note that the Japanese had to leave two carriers behind, which had been damaged at Coral Sea, when they set off for Midway. The Battle of Midway might have had a very different outcome if those carriers had been present.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at May 12, 2024 10:28 PM (EcuTp)

75
Air Taxi looks too much like Osprey technology. Would not hail this cab.
Posted by: polynikes

AutoCab hails YOU!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 12, 2024 10:29 PM (63Dwl)

76 all the kids are home from their indoctrination centers

I am so happy!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 12, 2024 10:29 PM (s3qiR)

77 The Utah Yutes?

Posted by: Judge Chamberlain Haller at May 12, 2024 10:30 PM (SYTee)

78 Also, I was first but then someone did something.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2024 10:06 PM

Mistakes were made?
What difference, at this point, does it make?
Time to move on?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 12, 2024 10:31 PM (a3Q+t)

79 Utah should trade for the LA Kings name. I can see a million T shirts selling

Utah Kings To Me? Utah Kings To Me?

Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2024 10:31 PM (inGXk)

80 Judy Jetson is 77 years old.
Posted by: Let That Sink In

Still living at home and doesn't look a day over 16.
Posted by: Reforger

She was white-haired at 16, so how would you know? I don't think cartoon characters get wrinkles.

Posted by: mikeski at May 12, 2024 10:31 PM (DgGvY)

81 In the very first episode of the Jetsons, it was revealed that Judy was 15. That was in 1962. Do the math, ipso fatso, she is 77.

Posted by: Mr. Cogswell at May 12, 2024 10:31 PM (V5BDR)

82 Roger Ball

Always a pleasure when you post an ONT.

LSO, Hunh.

https://tinyurl.com/y7s3mt5k

https://tinyurl.com/3mwys58b

https://tinyurl.com/2vpjwa8h

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 12, 2024 10:32 PM (u82oZ)

83 The Utah Flats

Posted by: Ciampino - Vegan Virginal Vicious Virtual Vestal Venusian from Vesuvius at May 12, 2024 10:32 PM (qfLjt)

84 all the kids are home from their indoctrination centers
I am so happy!
Posted by: BlackOrchid

Hopefully you can deprogram them without electroshock therapy.

Or, more hopefully, they deprogrammed some of their peers while they were there.

Posted by: mikeski at May 12, 2024 10:32 PM (DgGvY)

85 How does this become a boob thread?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 12, 2024 10:33 PM (9yWhg)

86 Hopefully you can deprogram them without electroshock therapy.

fortunately, still based

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 12, 2024 10:33 PM (s3qiR)

87 The Utah Boobs.

Posted by: How at May 12, 2024 10:33 PM (SYTee)

88 How does this become a boob thread?

It'll happen naturally as the thread matures.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at May 12, 2024 10:34 PM (dZVON)

89 How does this become a boob thread?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 12, 2024 10:33 PM (9yWhg)

Utah Boobs

Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2024 10:34 PM (inGXk)

90 Utah Porter Rockwells

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 12, 2024 10:34 PM (a3Q+t)

91 Hmmm, I'm not so sure. The Japanese could afford to lose a lot more than we could at that point. We lost Lexington, leaving us with three (really 2.5, given that Yorktown was in bad shape), while the Japs had at least 6. All those numbers are pulled out of deep storage, so I'm prepared for correction.
Posted by: Archimedes at May 12, 2024 10:16 PM (CsUN+)

I refer you to "Shattered Sword" by Parshall and Tully, who note that the Japanese had to leave two carriers behind, which had been damaged at Coral Sea, when they set off for Midway. The Battle of Midway might have had a very different outcome if those carriers had been present.

Fine, but that doesn't really affect the argument that Coral Sea was not a strategic victory. Midway unquestionably was.

Posted by: Archimedes at May 12, 2024 10:34 PM (CsUN+)

92 Ass puckering feeling to come back to your carrier on the high seas and its nowhere to be seen, probably sunk.

Posted by: Ciampino - you got to land somewhere at May 12, 2024 10:34 PM (qfLjt)

93 Crap I knew I'd have to be quick on that softball.

Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2024 10:35 PM (inGXk)

94 >>> 87 The Utah Boobs.
Posted by: How at May 12, 2024 10:33 PM (SYTee)

Utah Beavers

Utah Beehives

Utah Faults

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 12, 2024 10:35 PM (llON8)

95 The Battle of the Coral Sea was a strategic victory for the US. First, it stopped Japanese invasion of New Guinea, which would have threatened Australia. Second, two IJN carriers were not available for Midway (one sunk, one damaged). The Yorktown, though damaged, was available for Midway through herculean efforts of the shipyard. The yard was given days to perform months of repairs; legend has it there were yard birds embarked continuing repairs as she got underway.

Posted by: butch at May 12, 2024 10:35 PM (FWr2x)

96 Before Pearl Harbor: None may pass. I move for no gajin.

After Pearl Harbor: I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.

After Coral Sea: All right, we'll call it a draw.

Posted by: Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto at May 12, 2024 10:35 PM (4I/2K)

97 My wife used to work at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, CA. On even (or odd... can't recall) years the Blue Angles would do a show in Salinas or the Thunderbirds would.

Years when the 'birds were in town they'd relentlessly overfly the school... really low. On the roof of Herman Hall you'd think you could touch them.

Almost.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at May 12, 2024 10:35 PM (Q4IgG)

98 How does this become a boob thread?

It'll happen naturally as the thread matures.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at May 12, 2024 10:34 PM

It's already past Comment #13.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 12, 2024 10:35 PM (a3Q+t)

99
Judy Jetson is 77 years old.
Posted by: Let That Sink In

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Fun fact: She was in an episode of I Love Lucy along with Richard Crenna. Horrible portrayal of a lovestruck teenage girl in my opinion. No wonder people loved John Hughes.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at May 12, 2024 10:36 PM (lCaJd)

100 FiL and I have been watching war movies/miniseries. We watched "Greyhound" the other night and I have to say, it's fast-paced. It's also interesting in that it takes place in February 1942, when the U.S. military had just entered the war and was struggling to effectively counter U-boats in the Atlantic.

Also, Ze Germans are sadistic bastards, but you probably knew that already.

Posted by: pookysgirl, bringing the Movie Thread to Sunday night at May 12, 2024 10:36 PM (dtlDP)

101 Posted by: Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto at May 12, 2024 10:35 PM (4I/2K)

Speaking of planes, I hate the P-38 !

Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2024 10:37 PM (inGXk)

102 I want one of those expensive suicide machines.

Posted by: Eromero at May 12, 2024 10:38 PM (NxC5+)

103 Hopefully you can deprogram them without electroshock therapy.

fortunately, still based
Posted by: BlackOrchid

Then you've done your job well!

Posted by: mikeski at May 12, 2024 10:38 PM (DgGvY)

104 that was supposed to be a Yamamoto sock.

The P-38 is my favorite all time plane.

Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2024 10:38 PM (inGXk)

105 How does this become a boob thread?

It'll happen naturally as the thread matures.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310

It's already past Comment #13.
Posted by: Duncanthrax

The judges would also have accepted a Biden sock. Joe or Hunter.

Posted by: mikeski at May 12, 2024 10:38 PM (DgGvY)

106 Before Midway: Have at you!

After Midway: Run away! Run away!

Posted by: Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto at May 12, 2024 10:39 PM (4I/2K)

107 Chicago ceremonially raises the Palestinian flag.

https://tinyurl.com/3c4nx35b

This really gets my BP up.

Posted by: Ciampino - tire irons for justice at May 12, 2024 10:41 PM (qfLjt)

108 Hour of the Wolf

The inability of the IJ N to cross-deck carrier squadrons was a big problem for them. The USN was able to hoist non-native CV squadrons on CVs in the event of an emergency. Not so the IJN.

Putting the squadrons of Shokaku on Zuikaku would have won the IJN the Battle of Midway. As it was, Midway was a very near disaster for the USN. The CA Tone scout plane being delayed was luck leading to the USN win.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 12, 2024 10:41 PM (u82oZ)

109 We are fortunate the Japanese commander at Midway hesitated and chose wrong on how to arm his aircraft . I think that was Midway.

Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2024 10:42 PM (inGXk)

110 >>> 107 Chicago ceremonially raises the Palestinian flag.

https://tinyurl.com/3c4nx35b

This really gets my BP up.
Posted by: Ciampino - tire irons for justice at May 12, 2024 10:41 PM (qfLjt)

During the month before Pride Month?!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 12, 2024 10:42 PM (llON8)

111 Has the Plandemic for the election year started? Vote by mail for everyone is the strategy?

https://tinyurl.com/868y3pnf

Posted by: Ciampino - Update #01 at May 12, 2024 10:42 PM (qfLjt)

112 So did the Pali flag toss the rainbow flag off the roof?

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at May 12, 2024 10:43 PM (llON8)

113 Gadgetry

I admire those who can build and operate it.

But I’m not a mechanical person, so it’s all just gadgetry to me.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 12, 2024 10:43 PM (9yWhg)

114 Massachusetts Democrats are accused of secretly earmarking $5MILLION of budget money for dog parks, castles and 'private projects' in their districts

https://mol.im/a/13409395

Posted by: Ciampino - Update #02 at May 12, 2024 10:43 PM (qfLjt)

115 How is that possible? She hasn't even been born yet.
Posted by: tankdemon at May 12, 2024 10:25 PM (WAupR)

Doesn't the Jetsons take place in ... Huh. Guess that one was smart enough to never set a date.

Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 10:43 PM (1zxQh)

116 77 The Utah Yutes?
Posted by: Judge Chamberlain Haller at May 12, 2024 10:30 PM (SYTee)

What's a Yoot?

Posted by: tankdemon at May 12, 2024 10:43 PM (WAupR)

117 It slices! It Dices! It's even a Choppah!
Posted by: Jim at May 12, 2024 10:25 PM (e6UQI)

*golf clap*

Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 10:44 PM (1zxQh)

118 The inability of the IJ N to cross-deck carrier squadrons was a big problem for them. The USN was able to hoist non-native CV squadrons on CVs in the event of an emergency. Not so the IJN.

Putting the squadrons of Shokaku on Zuikaku would have won the IJN the Battle of Midway. As it was, Midway was a very near disaster for the USN. The CA Tone scout plane being delayed was luck leading to the USN win.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 12, 2024 10:41 PM (u82oZ)

Agreed. The other pieces of luck at Point Luck were that the Japanese fleet never found the Enterprise or Hornet, just the Yorktown, and how quickly the Yorktown was repaired and resumed flight operations after the first attack.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at May 12, 2024 10:45 PM (VNX3d)

119 So Elroy is supposed to become a popular name again in the future?

Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2024 10:46 PM (inGXk)

120 115 Doesn't the Jetsons take place in ... Huh. Guess that one was smart enough to never set a date.
Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 10:43 PM (1zxQh)

The online source I saw said it takes place in 2062, so Elon and the other wiz kids have their work cut out for them.

Posted by: tankdemon at May 12, 2024 10:46 PM (WAupR)

121 Is a Yoot like a Yeet?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 12, 2024 10:46 PM (9yWhg)

122 Hamas are barbarians incompatible with civilization.

Israel has done so much for mankind through science, technology, and culture. A better world will not arise by the defeat of Israel.

Those that support Hamas will reap the consequences of supporting them. If we are not careful and foresighted, so will we.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 12, 2024 10:46 PM (u82oZ)

123 Japanese Navy lost 334 vessels and 300,386 sailors in the 44 months of war. Also 2,346 merchant vessels of all types. That's a lot of iron on the bottom.

Posted by: That Sinking Feeling at May 12, 2024 10:47 PM (V5BDR)

124 I'm still trying to adjust to a world without Roger Corman. I never thought this world would happen in my lifetime.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 12, 2024 10:48 PM (CHHv1)

125 117 It slices! It Dices! It's even a Choppah!
Posted by: Jim at May 12, 2024 10:25 PM (e6UQI)

*golf clap*
Posted by: GWB at May 12, 2024 10:44 PM (1zxQh)

I actually ordered a Ronco Veg-o-Matic. Tried it on a tomato. Was more of a juicer than a slicer.

Posted by: Javems at May 12, 2024 10:48 PM (8I4hW)

126 Hour of the Wolf

Your ship is your best life-boat. The Yorktown crew was motivated in damage control efforts.

The nearest land was 2.5 miles away, straight down.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 12, 2024 10:48 PM (u82oZ)

127 We are fortunate the Japanese commander at Midway hesitated and chose wrong on how to arm his aircraft . I think that was Midway.
Posted by: polynikes

It was. If the Japanese plan had merged the striking force with the Yamato force, the extra AA fire from the battleships could have had an effect on our air attacks. If nothing else, they might have tried to force a night surface action, with their battleships against our heavy cruisers.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at May 12, 2024 10:49 PM (VNX3d)

128

On Sunday, Biden's campaign released an ad that started off tranquil with scenes of mothers with their children and the words, "Happy Mother's Day" written on the bottom.
Then, the screen goes black with only the words, "But not from Donald Trump."

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 12, 2024 10:49 PM (63Dwl)

129 Delays continue to plague Illinois agency responsible for issuing professional licenses

https://tinyurl.com/yxpfd382

The photo !!

Posted by: Ciampino - Update #03 at May 12, 2024 10:50 PM (qfLjt)

130 That Sinking Feeling

Bottom dwellers got to eat too. The loss of a large whaling community has crippled a dynamic recycling community on the ocean floor. The IJN did not help much.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 12, 2024 10:51 PM (u82oZ)

131 IIRC, wasn't the P-47 the Single Seat fighter with the greatest number of kills in the European Theater of Operations?

I'll posit that once the '47 got it's Long Range Legs, and the Paddle Bladed Propeller, that it became the best all-around fighter in that mix. The P-51 was marginally faster, and had Laminar Flow superior aerodynamics.

But the '47 was far tougher, more survivable when hit (both airframe and cockpit), and carried two more M-2 .50s than the '51. Combat tactics were different, but the P-47 was just simply, deadly as hell.

Best fighter in the Pacific? Numbers say "Hellcat", but the P-38 sure did a lot of USAAF heavy lifting out there!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 12, 2024 10:51 PM (e6UQI)

132 Delays continue to plague Illinois agency responsible for issuing professional licenses

https://tinyurl.com/yxpfd382

The photo !!
Posted by: Ciampino - Update #03 at May 12, 2024 10:50 PM (qfLjt)

I'd ask for another nurse if she was assigned to me.

Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2024 10:52 PM (inGXk)

133 For a laugh: Irish singer Bambie Thug row with Eurovision deepens after pro-Palestine 'thing' accuses bosses of 'not supporting them' after Israeli TV branded their semi-final performance as 'Satanic'

https://mol.im/a/13408835

Posted by: Ciampino - News Update #01 at May 12, 2024 10:52 PM (qfLjt)

134 And Midway never ran out of fresh water.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 12, 2024 10:53 PM (63Dwl)

135 Doesn't the Jetsons take place in ... Huh. Guess that one was smart enough to never set a date.
Posted by: GWB

Why were the competing businesses in the anti-gravity, all-electric, high-tech future..... gear cutters?

They still need gears for the robots and moving sidewalks and stuff, but shouldn't that all have been farmed out to China or India? Or the moon, or the asteroid belt, or wherever stuff gets farmed out to in the future?

Posted by: mikeski at May 12, 2024 10:54 PM (DgGvY)

136 Your ship is your best life-boat. The Yorktown crew was motivated in damage control efforts.

The nearest land was 2.5 miles away, straight down.
Posted by: NaCly Dog

Agreed. They were also experienced in dealing with battle damage from the Battle of Coral Sea, and the return to Pearl Harbor.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at May 12, 2024 10:54 PM (VNX3d)

137 122 Hamas are barbarians incompatible with civilization.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 12, 2024 10:46 PM (u82oZ)

This is the existential conundrum. What can or should we do about people who are not compatible with civil society?

Posted by: chris+opher at May 12, 2024 10:54 PM (dSco/)

138 U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken says Israeli tactics in Gaza have meant "horrible loss of life of innocent civilians."

No, Hamas' actions since Oct.7 have led to the slaughter of Gazan civilians, Tony.

Posted by: andycanuck (ZdexC) at May 12, 2024 10:55 PM (ZdexC)

139 Posted by: Jim at May 12, 2024 10:51 PM (e6UQI)

The P-51 wasn't great until it was fitted with the Merlin engine.

Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2024 10:55 PM (inGXk)

140 Sad and it gives ammunition to all the playground sissy adults:
Girl, 5, placed on end-of-life care after strangling herself on swing

https://mol.im/a/13408347

Posted by: Ciampino - News Update #02 at May 12, 2024 10:55 PM (qfLjt)

141 Delays continue to plague Illinois agency responsible for issuing professional licenses
https://tinyurl.com/yxpfd382
The photo !!
Posted by: Ciampino

I'd ask for another nurse if she was assigned to me.
Posted by: polynikes

The caption says her name is Holly "Woodruff?" I guess she styled her hair to match.

Posted by: mikeski at May 12, 2024 10:56 PM (DgGvY)

142 75
Air Taxi looks too much like Osprey technology. Would not hail this cab.
Posted by: polynikes

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I'm trying to figure out where the eels go.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 12, 2024 10:56 PM (bo7UB)

143 Bambie Thug. There goes sleeping tonight after looking "them" up.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at May 12, 2024 10:56 PM (2NHgQ)

144 The Ukrainian flags that replaced the trans flags that replaced the BLM signs in windows around here have all been replaced with Palestinian flags.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2024 10:57 PM (RIvkX)

145 Hour of the Wolf

The CV battles of the Solomons Campaign showed how vital BB AA was to CV survival.

However, the Yamato was slower than the two Kongo class upgraded battle cruiser in the CV screen. Would have made theIJN CVBG a tad weaker in positioning.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 12, 2024 10:57 PM (u82oZ)

146 Good evening, friends! I hope you had a great Sunday.

Posted by: Piper at May 12, 2024 10:57 PM (pZEOD)

147 The photo !!
Posted by: Ciampino - Update #03 at May 12, 2024 10:50 PM

The purple-hair mohawk is apparently a nurse.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at May 12, 2024 10:58 PM (a3Q+t)

148 11 -- One of my older neighbors did the same. Sadly, though, his ending was not nearly as fortunate your uncle's. The guy would come home drunk in the morning more often than not, and it got worse after his wife passed. I really felt bad for him. I tried to pry a few details out of him, but no go.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I stand with Israel and all Jews everywhere at May 12, 2024 11:00 PM (ET1Q8)

149 {{{Piper}}}

There is a UK contest for the most useless invention.

I immediately though of equipping your car with little boxes filled with glitter. At a press of a button, you could have glitter in your wake. As would be appropriate for you.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 12, 2024 11:00 PM (u82oZ)

150 146 Hey, Piper!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 12, 2024 11:01 PM (9yWhg)

151 "This is the existential conundrum. What can or should we do about people who are not compatible with civil society?"

Nazis said .. murder them all. But they were not really part of "civil society".

The definition of "civil society, and of "natural law" is a basic issue.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 12, 2024 11:01 PM (Cus5s)

152 127 We are fortunate the Japanese commander at Midway hesitated and chose wrong on how to arm his aircraft . I think that was Midway.
Posted by: polynikes

It was. If the Japanese plan had merged the striking force with the Yamato force, the extra AA fire from the battleships could have had an effect on our air attacks. If nothing else, they might have tried to force a night surface action, with their battleships against our heavy cruisers.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at May 12, 2024 10:49 PM (VNX3d)

Japanese Imperial Navy ship AA was almost a joke.

Posted by: Gref at May 12, 2024 11:02 PM (5fDan)

153 {{{ Captain Josepha Sabin }}}

Give my best to your XO.

Still working on details. Jewells45 is really struggling, so late June is what I am striving for,

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 12, 2024 11:02 PM (u82oZ)

154 The Yorktown crew was motivated in damage control efforts.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 12, 2024 10:48 PM

To be fair, they didn't have to deal with that hussy in CIC.

Posted by: 7th Fleet OOD at May 12, 2024 11:02 PM (a3Q+t)

155 Gref

Agreed, especially by late war standards. The IJN CVs relied on great maneuvering at speed to avoid damage, when the CAP was not in place. Big rudders.

Worked against torpedo attacks, but not against USN dive bombing.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 12, 2024 11:04 PM (u82oZ)

156 Hmm. Nearest I-Max, 62 miles.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at May 12, 2024 11:04 PM (XeU6L)

157 7th Fleet OOD

All male crews and long service on the same ship was part of the plan.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 12, 2024 11:05 PM (u82oZ)

158 149
I immediately though of equipping your car with little boxes filled with glitter. At a press of a button, you could have glitter in your wake. As would be appropriate for you.
Posted by: NaCly Dog

This is just so perfect. So very perfect. When do we start?

Posted by: Piper at May 12, 2024 11:05 PM (pZEOD)

159 The Ukrainian flags that replaced the trans flags that replaced the BLM signs in windows around here have all been replaced with Palestinian flags.
Posted by: San Franpsycho

All the lefty NPCs are set to "auto-update."

Posted by: mikeski at May 12, 2024 11:05 PM (DgGvY)

160 Hi Bulgaroctonus!

Posted by: Piper at May 12, 2024 11:06 PM (pZEOD)

161 Piper

Adds planning and execution to my chore list.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 12, 2024 11:06 PM (u82oZ)

162 I enjoy the vibrant analysis of those here that know the Pacific Theater history. but feel the greatest intervention was "God was on Our Side".

Or so I imagine it to be the case.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 12, 2024 11:06 PM (Cus5s)

163 153 Jewells45 is really struggling

With her health? Ugh.

Posted by: Piper at May 12, 2024 11:07 PM (pZEOD)

164 134 And Midway never ran out of fresh water.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 12, 2024 10:53 PM (63Dwl)
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That was a clever deception/reveal. Did anyone get a medal for that?

Posted by: Ciampino - News Update #03 at May 12, 2024 11:07 PM (qfLjt)

165 Probably not many tennis fans here but after over 20 years of having just 3 guys dominating the pro game , that period may finally be over.

Federer retired couple of years ago, This is Nadal's last year and he hasn't won many matches much less a tournament. And Djokovic hasn't won anything this year and got crushed today by a relatively unknown.

Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2024 11:08 PM (inGXk)

166 All male crews and long service on the same ship was part of the plan.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 12, 2024 11:05 PM

That certainly doesn't serve our progressive diversity, equity, and inclusivity goals, does it? In fact, it's the very antithesis!!!

You need to report for Sensitivity Training, Mister!

Posted by: 7th Fleet OOD at May 12, 2024 11:09 PM (a3Q+t)

167 illiniwek

The Japanese in WWII had their own strong faith. No quit in the IJN and IJA efforts during the war. Even when outmatched, outnumbers and out of supply.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 12, 2024 11:09 PM (u82oZ)

168 Wow, what a great ONT!

Someone's keeping this a smart military blog!

Posted by: Stateless at May 12, 2024 11:09 PM (jvJvP)

169 polynikes, I told hubs he should go pock a day to watch the US open this year.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at May 12, 2024 11:10 PM (yD62l)

170 7th Fleet OOD

FOAD, tool. Come back with a clear record of no groundings and collisions.

I served time in my last ship as part of the 7th Fleet. When standards and performance was stronger.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 12, 2024 11:11 PM (u82oZ)

171 144 The Ukrainian flags that replaced the trans flags that replaced the BLM signs in windows around here have all been replaced with Palestinian flags.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2024 10:57 PM (RIvkX)
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This appears to be a plot by flag manufacturers to substantially improve sales.

Posted by: Ciampino - News Update #04 at May 12, 2024 11:12 PM (qfLjt)

172 Silly chick hockey announcer is pronouncing Silov's name like "Shelob".

I hear SHEE-lob.
She is saying SHEE-lawv.

I would say SILL-LUV, SILL-lawv, or SEE--luv.

I expected to see a giant spider in goal.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 12, 2024 11:13 PM (eqB6P)

173 The Japanese in WWII had their own strong faith. No quit in the IJN and IJA efforts during the war. Even when outmatched, outnumbers and out of supply.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 12, 2024 11:09 PM (u82oZ)

Bushido code is a bitch.

I like Patton's take. No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor bastard die for his country.

Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2024 11:13 PM (inGXk)

174 160 Piper, thank you very much for the leads that you sent me. I will probably not be able to make use of them week, due to personal business. But I will definitely pursue those leads next week!

I hope all is well you.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 12, 2024 11:14 PM (9yWhg)

175 I expected to see a giant spider in goal.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt

Would it be 3 sticks and 3 blockers, or 2 of each with 4 skating legs?

And if the net got torn, they could fix it.

Posted by: mikeski at May 12, 2024 11:15 PM (DgGvY)

176 "The Japanese in WWII had their own strong faith. No quit in the IJN and IJA efforts during the war. Even when outmatched, outnumbers and out of supply." Posted by: NaCly Dog

yes (I guess) but their faith lost. Was the God of our Fathers not involved?

idk, but "strong faith" in a non-Christian religion is perhaps inferior to the 1940's era Christian belief? Was it not just about who had the greater BelieF" in their God? Or maybe it was?

Posted by: illiniwek at May 12, 2024 11:15 PM (Cus5s)

177 When standards and performance was stronger.
Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 12, 2024 11:11 PM

Standards and performance are tools of the cispatriarchy!

This isn't Adm. King's (or even Adm. Zumwalt's) BUPERS anymore.

Posted by: 7th Fleet OOD at May 12, 2024 11:15 PM (a3Q+t)

178 163 153 Jewells45 is really struggling

With her health? Ugh.
Posted by: Piper at May 12, 2024 11:07 PM (pZEOD)

Oh no. Hate to hear that.

Posted by: Javems at May 12, 2024 11:15 PM (8I4hW)

179 polynikes, I told hubs he should go pock a day to watch the US open this year.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at May 12, 2024 11:10 PM (yD62l)

The attendance those two weeks is usually more than the home game attendance for the Giants and Jets home games for the season.

Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2024 11:17 PM (inGXk)

180 There is a UK contest for the most useless invention.

I immediately though of equipping your car with little boxes filled with glitter. At a press of a button, you could have glitter in your wake. As would be appropriate for you.
Posted by: NaCly Dog

Keeping this on-topic: wouldn't that serve as chaff? So not useless, just very highly situational.

Posted by: mikeski at May 12, 2024 11:17 PM (DgGvY)

181 145 Hour of the Wolf

The CV battles of the Solomons Campaign showed how vital BB AA was to CV survival.

However, the Yamato was slower than the two Kongo class upgraded battle cruiser in the CV screen. Would have made theIJN CVBG a tad weaker in positioning.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 12, 2024 10:57 PM (u82oZ)

The Battle of the Eastern Solomons and the Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands don't get the glamour of Coral Sea and Midway but were very important and desperate toe-to-toe CV vs CV slugfests like no other in the Pacific Campaign. The USN sort-of prevailed, barely. CV task force vs CV task force battles like these never again occurred. The best description of these two battles I've read are in John B. Lundstrom's "The First Team and the Guadalcanal Campaign: Naval Fighter Combat from August to November 1942."

The best descriptions I've read of the Coral Sea and Midway battles are in the same author's "The First Team."

Posted by: Gref at May 12, 2024 11:18 PM (5fDan)

182 Posted by: illiniwek at May 12, 2024 11:15 PM (Cus5s)

Again their 'faith' was based on Bushido and the Emperor.

Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2024 11:19 PM (inGXk)

183 Keeping this on-topic: wouldn't that serve as chaff? So not useless, just very highly situational.
Posted by: mikeski at May 12, 2024 11:17 PM (DgGvY)

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It would throw off the Kraut radar, that's for sure.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at May 12, 2024 11:21 PM (bo7UB)

184 My friend took his family to Auborn Hills Michigan today crossing over from Canada...through Detroit!

My mother and her family grew up in Detroit, that sub-human racist nigger - I have not been allowed to travel or go into facilities because of my vaccination status so I can freely use the word nigger because I am - Coleman Young chased the whites outmof Detroit.

We went there several years back. Mom's childhood home turned into a drug den then was torn down..

But....the main point of the post coming up

Posted by: Stateless at May 12, 2024 11:21 PM (jvJvP)

185 This was appropriate for today:

Mom was womb & board

Posted by: Ciampino - News Update #05 at May 12, 2024 11:22 PM (qfLjt)

186 LOL

Canuck Fedorov knocks Oiler Kane over the wall and into the Oiler bench. Fedorov gets 2m for roughing, and the Oiler bench gets 2m for roughing.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 12, 2024 11:22 PM (eqB6P)

187 Gref

Lundstrom's books are a good, very comprehensive source for the entire first year of war in the Pacific.

I learned stuff reading his The First Team. Like the Lexington could and did launch and recover aircraft by going full astern. Those electric motors were something. Too bad controllable pitch propellors were in the future.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 12, 2024 11:23 PM (u82oZ)

188 159 The Ukrainian flags that replaced the trans flags that replaced the BLM signs in windows around here have all been replaced with Palestinian flags.
Posted by: San Franpsycho

All the lefty NPCs are set to "auto-update."
Posted by: mikeski at May 12, 2024 11:05 PM (DgGvY)

Rainbow Hamas Ukrainian Flag
It says Maaaaavalous

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 12, 2024 11:23 PM (QXQ4l)

189 "Again their 'faith' was based on Bushido and the Emperor." Posted by: polynikes

Yes, and their god was not the One True God, I would argue. God perhaps had a voice in the outcome? (e.g. loss for the pagans.)

Posted by: illiniwek at May 12, 2024 11:23 PM (Cus5s)

190 174 160 Piper, thank you very much for the leads that you sent me. I will probably not be able to make use of them week, due to personal business. But I will definitely pursue those leads next week!

I hope all is well you.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 12, 2024 11:14 PM (9yWhg)

When you are ready! It’s what they do for a living, so they will be there.

It was a good, quiet Mother’s Day, had a great dinner and we all walked down to the bay. We heated up the pool to 90 because I am a baby and went for a night swim. So a good day for sure!

Posted by: Piper at May 12, 2024 11:23 PM (pZEOD)

191 Coleman Young, Keami Lil Patrick...sigh.

My curse - Mayor Richard G. Hatcher of Gary, Indiana.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at May 12, 2024 11:25 PM (eqB6P)

192 141 Delays continue to plague Illinois agency responsible for issuing professional licenses
https://tinyurl.com/yxpfd382
The photo !!
Posted by: Ciampino
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I'd put a go slow on her too.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 12, 2024 11:25 PM (lCWOD)

193 mikeski

Glitter can not be used for chaff. Not aluminum, and not cut to specific lengths to decoy fire control radar or proximity fused warheads.

Sorry.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 12, 2024 11:25 PM (u82oZ)

194 ...Keeping this on-topic: wouldn't that serve as chaff? So not useless, just very highly situational. Posted by: mikeski at May 12, 2024 11:17 PM (DgGvY)

Cops still use vehicle mounted radar, but I don't know the current, preferred band. I know K, X, or N band, these days?

Works great when the patrol car is moving, and does the math to calculate the speed of the target car, regardless of relative bearing to the cop car.

Laser Speedguns though, still gotta be optically aimed by the actual officer. And in so doing, capture a digital image of the target car, with it speed projected right into the image.

To the glitter though. Cut to the exact right sizes, it might make a useful Chaff. And wouldn't that be FABULOUS! lol

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 12, 2024 11:26 PM (e6UQI)

195 Following the public comment period, the 'proposed' Colorado gun ban was voted down this week. It has not become law, and will not go into effect. At all.

There were some lies told here, and names called.
Not really the pissing-down-pant-leg horde's finest hour.

I may remind you of this several times.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at May 12, 2024 11:26 PM (zdLoL)

196 190 Happy Mothers Day, Piper!

And to all the other ‘Ettes!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 12, 2024 11:27 PM (9yWhg)

197 This is so much fun. But I am reminded I have to work tomorrow. Second to last Monday in the school year.

Have a great night, everyone. And may you not hear "I sank your battleship."

Posted by: NaCly Dog at May 12, 2024 11:28 PM (u82oZ)

198 Glitter is like Blood splatter at a crime scene . You can never clean it all away .

That's a warning for guys in a relationship that covertly go to a strip club.

Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2024 11:28 PM (inGXk)

199 Jim SND your weather station slash antenna is da bomb

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2024 11:29 PM (RIvkX)

200 194
Glitter as chaff.
You would be cited for littering.

Posted by: Ciampino - News Update #06 at May 12, 2024 11:29 PM (qfLjt)

201 Hollywood!

Posted by: Jap sub, 1941 at May 12, 2024 11:30 PM (4I/2K)

202 Glitter as chaff.
You would be cited for glittering.
Posted by: Ciampino

FIFY.

Posted by: mikeski at May 12, 2024 11:30 PM (DgGvY)

203 The regulatory issues facing eVTOLs will be formidable. The guv'mint is hopelessly behind on this technology. It will kill a lot of this promising industry.
That said, the company that can build an affordable one person commuter vehicle that can do 80 miles (40 each way) at 45-55 mph, with a 10 minute power reserve, and be easy to learn to fly, will make a fortune. Every person with an hour + commute will want one.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 12, 2024 11:31 PM (W/lyH)

204 123 Japanese Navy lost 334 vessels and 300,386 sailors in the 44 months of war. Also 2,346 merchant vessels of all types. That's a lot of iron on the bottom.
Posted by: That Sinking Feeling at May 12, 2024 10:47 PM (V5BDR)
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All of that carbon continues to be released and contaminate.
And the FUEL OIL and the CHEMICALS released into the ocean, it's a wonder the whole earth survived.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 12, 2024 11:32 PM (lCWOD)

205 Here's another entry for "when SNL was still funny":

https://tinyurl.com/38cujsrv

(X.com)

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at May 12, 2024 11:33 PM (QrtBZ)

206 Geez, step away for a few minutes and suddenly Piper's getting chaff for her car. Not sure how many missiles she expects to have to dodge on a daily basis, but that's one hell of a dangerous commute.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at May 12, 2024 11:35 PM (dZVON)

207 There were some lies told here, and names called.
Not really the pissing-down-pant-leg horde's finest hour.
......................................
Wait, wait, wait, so you're saying we overreact??!! US?? The AoS Horde?

FUCK YOU, MAN!!!

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at May 12, 2024 11:35 PM (sAmhv)

208 We're more likely to go back to horses than EV copters.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 12, 2024 11:36 PM (63Dwl)

209 Glitter as chaff.
You would be cited for glittering.
Posted by: Ciampino

FIFY.
Posted by: mikeski

If you put a glitter projector on the front of your car, and used it on protesters blocking a road, would they feel the need to stand up and move somewhere else to get a good selfie of the result?

This might need a real world test.

Posted by: Hour of the Wolf at May 12, 2024 11:36 PM (VNX3d)

210 ...Jim SND your weather station slash antenna is da bomb. Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2024 11:29 PM (RIvkX)

I am honored. Thank you!

*...quietly places call to EOD shop*

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 12, 2024 11:37 PM (e6UQI)

211 202 Glitter as chaff.
You would be cited for glittering.
Posted by: Ciampino

FIFY.

Posted by: mikeski at May 12, 2024 11:30 PM (DgGvY)
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LOL thanks!

Posted by: Ciampino - News Update #07 at May 12, 2024 11:39 PM (qfLjt)

212 Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at May 12, 2024 11:35 PM (sAmhv

I would venture to say there weren't any lies but rather strong opinions that were wrong.

Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2024 11:41 PM (inGXk)

213 209
If you put a glitter projector on the front of your car, and used it on protesters blocking a road, would they feel the need to stand up and move somewhere else to get a good selfie of the result?
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How about glue spray then glitter?

Posted by: Ciampino - News Update #08 at May 12, 2024 11:41 PM (qfLjt)

214 But my friends crossed the border into Detroit. Hell, years ago, you just wanted to get on the freeway and escape.

But he reminded me of a happy memory. Much younger, I was in my 20's, it was before 9-11, and I was taking my 5 or 6 year old black God-daughter to see 'Pocohontas' at the Fox Theatre in Detroit. Very fancy.

I drove up through the Ambassador Bridge to the customs area. Clean looking relatively cute 20ish white guy with a 5 or 6 year old black girl next to me. Trying to cross an international border.

I said hello. Handed the border agent Keesha's birth certificate, our tickets to the show and a note from Keesha's mother that said she knew what what going on. I said I know it may seem weird, white guy, black kid, but you can call her Mom. I told Keesha to tell her where we were going. She happily said 'To see Pocohontas !

She let us through. But there was nothing alarming about the scenario. I wasn't horribly creepy and wanted to give them everything tney could want to prove Keesha was safe and Keesha was happy as ever and wanted to get to the show..

Life was nice back then.

Posted by: Stateless at May 12, 2024 11:43 PM (jvJvP)

215 What just happened? I went to get some water and what started as me leaving a wake of glitter as I zoom off is now me dodging missiles? Glitter made complete sense. The rest of this sounds chaotic!

Posted by: Piper at May 12, 2024 11:43 PM (p4NUW)

216 The "WW2 Tales" Battle of Midway From the Japanese Perspective" series is one of the most gripping YouTube series I've ever watched. The narrative was written by John Parshall and Anthony Tully (maybe from "Shattered Sword"?)

24 episodes about 1 hour each, but it is worth it.

Episode 1: LINK https://tinyurl.com/37ucbpf3

Posted by: mrp at May 12, 2024 11:43 PM (rj6Yv)

217
Yep, Jim is a man who takes great pride in his work. That shows in every detail about that set up.

It is that spirit that makes the greatest country on earth. It's loss makes for a not-so great country.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley (w6EFb) at May 12, 2024 11:44 PM (w6EFb)

218 123 Japanese Navy lost 334 vessels and 300,386 sailors in the 44 months of war. Also 2,346 merchant vessels of all types. That's a lot of iron on the bottom.
Posted by: That Sinking Feeling at May 12, 2024 10:47 PM (V5BDR)

The United States Navy pretty-much eradicated the Imperial Japanese Navy. Battleship Nagato was the only capital ship not sunk at the end of the war (she was sunk as one of the moored test ships in a post-war Pacific atoll nuke test). A few cruisers, light carriers, and destroyers may have been afloat or sunk but possibly salvageable in ports at the end of the war. Not enough to make a standard USN 4-carrier task group break a sweat in mid-1945.

Posted by: Gref at May 12, 2024 11:45 PM (5fDan)

219 41 Most of the Japanese people still believed the propaganda spewed out by the government and press.
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Imagine that...

Posted by: Braenyard at May 12, 2024 11:49 PM (lCWOD)

220 Goodnight, All. Sleep well.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at May 12, 2024 11:51 PM (9yWhg)

221 Electric aircraft-- major concerns about battery weight and duration. Maybe the equivalent of the Tesla, a rich guy's toy for short trips.

Posted by: JM in Ill -- Behold the Manchurian Candidate at May 12, 2024 11:52 PM (UDDQb)

222 165 Probably not many tennis fans here but after over 20 years of having just 3 guys dominating the pro game , that period may finally be over.

Federer retired couple of years ago, This is Nadal's last year and he hasn't won many matches much less a tournament. And Djokovic hasn't won anything this year and got crushed today by a relatively unknown.
Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2024 11:08 PM (inGXk)

I'm a fan - especially of the men's game. After Sampras and Agassi, I never thought that the game would be nearly as exciting, but the Big Three (with Wawrinka sneaking in there somehow) changed my thinking. Who knows what's coming after them? Alcaraz and Sinner look pretty good.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 12, 2024 11:52 PM (3Hm/H)

223 Good night, everyone! Sweet dreams.

Posted by: Piper at May 12, 2024 11:53 PM (pZEOD)

224 Roger Corman was known as the "King of the Bs," known for “Attack of the Crab Monster” and “Crazy Mama”, dead at 98

Posted by: SMOD at May 12, 2024 11:54 PM (GITLP)

225 Hey Horde, any further update on nurse today?

Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at May 12, 2024 11:54 PM (Sgq8y)

226 I saw Maya Rudolph's first few skits last night and laffed. She did some good slapstick which I love.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2024 11:54 PM (RIvkX)

227 198 Glitter is like Blood splatter at a crime scene . You can never clean it all away .

That's a warning for guys in a relationship that covertly go to a strip club.

Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2024 11:28 PM (inGXk)

"Booty Dust". My wife and I heard that term on a Law & Order SVU episode, and we just burst out laughing. Never forgot it.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 12, 2024 11:54 PM (3Hm/H)

228 Nurse said she is ok

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 12, 2024 11:57 PM (RIvkX)

229 Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 12, 2024 11:52 PM (3Hm/H)

yes Alcaraz and Sinner will be top ten for a long time but I don't think we will ever see the domination that was the big three.

Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2024 11:57 PM (MNhXM)

230 Booty dust. Perfect and LOL.

Posted by: polynikes at May 13, 2024 12:00 AM (MNhXM)

231 213 209
If you put a glitter projector on the front of your car, and used it on protesters blocking a road, would they feel the need to stand up and move somewhere else to get a good selfie of the result?
----
How about glue spray then glitter?
Posted by: Ciampino - News Update #08 at May 12, 2024 11:41 PM (qfLjt)

Warm asphalt sealer & glitter
Sure to be a hit

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at May 13, 2024 12:01 AM (QXQ4l)

232 I once looked up WW2 fatalities for the navy,

You really did not want to be on a boat.

Posted by: Stateless at May 13, 2024 12:01 AM (jvJvP)

233
Excuse me, I'm out of the loop. What's the situation with Nurse?

Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at May 13, 2024 12:02 AM (Tvyd+)

234 nurse had a emergency appendicitis operation

Posted by: Skip at May 13, 2024 12:03 AM (fwDg9)

235 41 Most of the Japanese people still believed the propaganda spewed out by the government and press.
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Gojira!

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 13, 2024 12:04 AM (4I/2K)

236 Posted by: Jim at May 12, 2024 10:51 PM (e6UQI)

F4U Corsair FTW, though. Just on coolness and the fact it was the star of a show on TV.

Posted by: GWB at May 13, 2024 12:05 AM (1zxQh)

237 Norman Finkelstein's interview with Konstantin Kissin and Francis Foster was pathetic.

They tried several times to engage with him objectively on the question of how Israel should respond to October 7 and his answer(s) alternately were
1. It didn't happen
2. The joos deserved it
3. The joos love killing children
4. Stop intellectualizing!
5. I know genocide, my parents were in the Holocaust!

Classic antisemitism masquerading in a Coney Island corned beef accent.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at May 13, 2024 12:05 AM (RIvkX)

238 https://tinyurl.com/2tszajzz
A very good 20 Tweets from Bad Blue

Posted by: Skip at May 13, 2024 12:05 AM (fwDg9)

239 233
Excuse me, I'm out of the loop. What's the situation with Nurse?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at May 13, 2024 12:02 AM (Tvyd+)

She had an emergency appendectomy yesterday. Put the kibosh on her date. I'm guessing it didn't really affect her Momma's Day all that much cuz apparently she was sunning herself on the beach today feeling quite sore.

I asked if, in her capacity as a nurse, she assisted with the procedure at all but she was under general anesthesia and didn't get to participate.

I had also asked if her doctor was handsome with strong yet gentle hands but got no answer. Going to assume she was out like a light by that point.

Will continue to work on getting pics of the surgery scars.

Posted by: Robert at May 13, 2024 12:06 AM (1Yy3c)

240 What can or should we do about people who are not compatible with civil society?
Posted by: chris+opher at May 12, 2024 10:54 PM (dSco/)

Give them a choice between death or being driven out into the wilderness.

Posted by: GWB at May 13, 2024 12:06 AM (1zxQh)

241 I can see a viable use for pilotless aircraft.

Posted by: Miklos from Aero Pinochet at May 13, 2024 12:08 AM (Mxkdu)

242 I need to be in bed.

Night.

Posted by: Robert at May 13, 2024 12:08 AM (1Yy3c)

243 nurse had a emergency appendicitis operation
Posted by: Skip at May 13, 2024 12:03 AM (fwDg9)

That's an extreme way to break a dinner date.

Glad she came thru okay!!

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 13, 2024 12:08 AM (4I/2K)

244
Give them a choice between death or being driven out into the wilderness.
Posted by: GWB

Phantom Zone

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 13, 2024 12:12 AM (63Dwl)

245 Glad she came thru okay!!
Posted by: Count de Monet

Appendix came out; Nurse came through.

Posted by: Miklos respects everyone's prepositions at May 13, 2024 12:12 AM (Mxkdu)

246 Give them a choice between death or being driven out into the wilderness.
Posted by: GWB at May 13, 2024 12:06 AM (1zxQh)

So no cell phone service and no Grub Hub? That's a death sentence, too.

Posted by: RickZ at May 13, 2024 12:24 AM (emlEe)

247 I once looked up WW2 fatalities for the navy,

You really did not want to be on a boat.
Posted by: Stateless at May 13, 2024 12:01 AM (jvJvP)

I believe it was stated in "Neptune's Inferno" that the USN suffered more casualties during the Guadalcanal campaign than did the USMC and the USA(rmy) combined.

Posted by: mrp at May 13, 2024 12:27 AM (rj6Yv)

248 Appendix came out; Nurse came through.
Posted by: Miklos respects everyone's prepositions at May 13, 2024 12:12 AM (Mxkdu)

Boy, I'm glad the sentence is in that order and not 'the appendix came through and Nurse . . . ."

Posted by: RickZ at May 13, 2024 12:27 AM (emlEe)

249 36 OTOH, it looks like the IJN lost a lot more planes / pilots than we did, and given the paucity of trainee pilots in their pipeline compared to ours, I suppose one could say it was the beginning of the long grinding down of IJN aviation.

Concur. I find it useful to view the Pacific War as a chess game where the USN gets more and more new pieces as the game continues while the IJN gets only a couple. When the IJN couldn't checkmate in the first quarter of the game, the end was inevitable

Posted by: azjaeger at May 13, 2024 12:31 AM (3/XaG)

250 How much did the mutual dislike and distrust between the IJN and IJA affect the course of the war and eventual outcome?

I'm reminded of the U.S. 7th Fleet Officerettes, who were not on speaking terms.

Could NOT have been good for Imperial Japan's martial prospects!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 13, 2024 12:35 AM (e6UQI)

251 Well, after troubleshooting and failing, my space bar on one of my laptops now work. I did nothing. Nothing! And now it works. The problem happened on one of my Linux laptops (I have two). It was the Dell refurbished machine I bought cheap on Amazon. A risk but it ran solid, no problems till this morning. Then the space bar no longer worked. The laptop keyboard worked except the spacebar. Now, no problem.

I blame Trump. Also, Trump fixed it!

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at May 13, 2024 12:36 AM (sAmhv)

252 I believe it was stated in "Neptune's Inferno" that the USN suffered more casualties during the Guadalcanal campaign than did the USMC and the USA(rmy) combined.
Posted by: mrp at May 13, 2024 12:27 AM (rj6Yv)

The casualty number makes sense when you take into account the Tokyo Express running down the Slot practically every night.

At the beginning of the war, the Japs had three major advantages on us: The long-lance torpedo, the Mitsubishi Zero and naval night-fighting capabilities.

The Slot was a series of naval battles with capital ships mostly at night. In light of that, the casualty comparison with the army/Marines makes sense. The US lost 38 ships during the six-month battle of Guadalcanal, including a light carrier and two battleships.

Posted by: RickZ at May 13, 2024 12:37 AM (emlEe)

253 I once looked up WW2 fatalities for the navy,

You really did not want to be on a boat.
Posted by: Stateless

My late father's service in WWII was on a Casablanca class escort carrier, sometimes termed "Baby Flat-Tops" or "Kaiser's Coffins," in the Pacific Theater. While his ship saw combat during the Battle of Okinawa, he always said that what frightened him the most was Typhoon Cobra, aka "Halsey's Typhoon."

He was a QM and dealt with navigation and every related task, and often had to man the wheel. When Typhoon Cobra was at full intensity, he was at the wheel and it was hellish to maintain any kind of control. At one point the entire vessel heeled over so far that he said he could have reached out the port window and scooped up some sea water.

His ship somehow made it through undamaged, but others in the task force weren't as lucky. That was one aspect of the naval component of WWII - it wasn't just the IJN that was trying to kill you: the sea wasn't exactly friendly as well.

Posted by: John Drake Nearing the Caspian Sea at May 13, 2024 12:38 AM (u/Zei)

254 There is an interesting article from the Smithsonian regarding Japanese balloon bombing the US during WWII. It was written in 1973 before the Smithsonian went crazy.

https://tinyurl.com/2vn2an3n

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at May 13, 2024 12:40 AM (WvGHv)

255 Back in the day when US military might so repaid the then "JAPS" for their absolute failure to to foresee what was coming to them after Pearl Harbor and their ultimate failures during the island campaigns which cost the US heavy but led us to this little place called TINIAN ISLAND from where we launched not one...but two bomber strike forces with nuclear bombs which caused the Japanese Imperial Forces

To say..."NO MORE!"

THAT is the art of warfare. You beat your opponent to the point of them giving up the battle.

Posted by: Nightwatch at May 13, 2024 12:41 AM (TDvv2)

256 The sum of my naval knowledge is that boats go on ships.

Posted by: Count de Monet at May 13, 2024 12:45 AM (4I/2K)

257 Posted by: John Drake Nearing the Caspian Sea at May 13, 2024 12:38 AM (u/Zei)

My Father joined the Navy in 43... as soon as he could...

He was a signalman onboard merchant ships in convoys... they had a few Navy folks onboard to be able to run communications for convoys.

Twice, Kamikazes flew over his ship... to hit others. He, like me, always wondered why we had been spared.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 13, 2024 12:45 AM (xaFKb)

258 I was an Air Force Brat, my Dad was stationed at Nellis AFB for seven years, home of the greatest military flying team, the THUNDERBIRDS! Saw them perform twice a year, and the Blue Angels can suck it! It's a treat for me to get to see them when they come to Travis AFB, where I was born. With all the bases shut down here in Commiefornia, they're not out here very often, more's the pity. But if you can't see the Thunderbirds, then it's okay to settle for second-best and see the Blue Angels fly. (And I was sorely disappointed to miss the aurora coming down south, but the damn fog was in.)

Posted by: tankascribe at May 13, 2024 12:50 AM (HWxAD)

259 THAT is the art of warfare. You beat your opponent to the point of them giving up the battle.
Posted by: Nightwatch

Exactly - both Germany and Japan were forced to accept that their defeat was decisive and final, and that any continued effort was futile. Especially the former, since the "stab-in-the-back" theory in regard to WWI was one of the beliefs Hitler exploited to gain power and then lead Deutschland into an even-worse hellscape of war.

Posted by: John Drake Nearing the Caspian Sea at May 13, 2024 12:52 AM (u/Zei)

260 ...Twice, Kamikazes flew over his ship... to hit others. He, like me, always wondered why we had been spared.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 13, 2024 12:45 AM (xaFKb)

This goes to show just how hidebound and inward-looking the Japanese High Command actually was.

We had SHATTERED Japan's ability to produce good and to equip for war.

Because we'd sank the huge majority of Japan's Merchant Fleets, and bottled up what remained, in various ports and coastal waters. Forget them sailing to India or Malaysia or Vietnam or etc., for cargoes. They'd not make it there, or they'd damn sure not make it back.

So, what do the Kamikaze flights target? Warships. Just, warships. All the way down to Destroyer Escorts in the Screening Ship roles.

All those fat, dumb, lightly armed and slow U.S. cargo ships, oilers, munitions ships, and etc? Nope, nope and NOPE!

Those what were targeted and hit, were the exceptions, at most.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at May 13, 2024 12:53 AM (e6UQI)

261 Posted by: Jim at May 13, 2024 12:53 AM (e6UQI)

Their effect was blinded by their beliefs.

Yes, it would have been more effective to destroy our merchant ships, but Bushido said, go after their warriors.

When you dissect how an enemy operates, you have to take culture into account.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 13, 2024 12:57 AM (xaFKb)

262 I once had to dance around two shipmates in full on fisticuffs in the lobby of my BEQ while on the way to the Soda Machine...(actually the beer machine) while the shore patrol poured through the front door.

I got to the beer machine unscathed and got my beers..

Navy Regional Medical Center Oakland Ca. aka OAK KNOLL 1979

Posted by: Nightwatch at May 13, 2024 12:57 AM (TDvv2)

263 238 https://tinyurl.com/2tszajzz
A very good 20 Tweets from Bad Blue
Posted by: Skip at May 13, 2024 12:05 AM (fwDg9)

Thanks Skip !

(why are YOU awake ?)

Posted by: JT at May 13, 2024 01:00 AM (T4tVD)

264 My Father joined the Navy in 43... as soon as he could...

He was a signalman onboard merchant ships in convoys... they had a few Navy folks onboard to be able to run communications for convoys.

Twice, Kamikazes flew over his ship... to hit others. He, like me, always wondered why we had been spared.
Posted by: Romeo13

Sounds like my Dad - days after he graduated high school, he enlisted in the Navy. (To the great displeasure of my Grandfather, who wanted him to stay and work the farm.)

Much respect for service on the merchant ship convoys - those guys had guts and were at huge risk in both the Atlantic and the Pacific.

Posted by: John Drake Nearing the Caspian Sea at May 13, 2024 01:00 AM (u/Zei)

265
She had an emergency appendectomy yesterday. Put the kibosh on her date.

==========

omg her DATE! Well, glad she's recovering. Poor thing, I imagine an emergency appendectomy is preceded by some awful pain.

Posted by: Blonde Morticia's office at May 13, 2024 01:02 AM (Tvyd+)

266 I, I made a paper airplane once...
* kicks dirt *

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 13, 2024 01:04 AM (IG4Id)

267 IDF took out a senior Hamas commander, Naaim Goal, who was responsible for holding and killing the Israeli hostage Noa Marciano.

Splat.

Posted by: 13times at May 13, 2024 01:08 AM (qq2q+)

268 I once looked up WW2 fatalities for the navy,

You really did not want to be on a boat.
Posted by: Stateless

Years ago, I was able to view a few (still) classified combat photos of the passageways below decks of the USS Franklin. Many of the sailors KIA were burned or asphyxiated by smoke and gases that could not be vented fast enough.

The sight of dead sailors that were 3-4 deep for as far as the eye could see in the P-ways has never left me. There were over 700 KIAs.

That's bad enough, but the Franklin survived her wounds and would be repaired. Survivors of the last attack had to retrieve and 'bury' the remains of their shipmates with a minimum of ceremony and then quickly return to damage control duties. Pure horror.

Posted by: Tonypete at May 13, 2024 01:10 AM (Mu170)

269 265

Well hey there.

Hopefully they got to it and removed the offending appendix intact without a lot of fuss. These days a simple procedure unless a rupture but even with that, a tad more time in the hospital with some big gun antibiotics to prevent peritonitis which back in the day prior to the advancements of said antibiotics could be fatal. I got lucky in 1974 they had those antibiotics. Otherwise , you'd be missing out on my witty repartee...

Posted by: Nightwatch at May 13, 2024 01:13 AM (TDvv2)

270 Posted by: John Drake Nearing the Caspian Sea at May 13, 2024 12:38 AM (u/Ze

It's sad that there were so many amazing men like that and we've descended that far.

Actually, the weakest are being culled. We'll finish the job.

Posted by: Stateless at May 13, 2024 01:16 AM (jvJvP)

271 Pray for the Republic

Nightwatch out...

Posted by: Nightwatch at May 13, 2024 01:23 AM (TDvv2)

272 Posted by: Tonypete at May 13, 2024 01:10 AM (Mu170)

What pisses me off most is all their sacrifices seemed to be in vain. Hell, if they turned around and killed everyone in power and executed all the bankers, we'd probably be better off.

Posted by: Stateless at May 13, 2024 01:34 AM (jvJvP)

273 Nightwatch
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Why didn't they vacuum it out?

Posted by: Braenyard at May 13, 2024 01:50 AM (lCWOD)

274 At least electric cars have the side of the road when they turn into the inevitable brick.

Posted by: DaveA at May 13, 2024 01:56 AM (FhXTo)

275 The old Craftsman tape measure bit the dust. Can't find the part. It's a disposable thing these days. Did find a Stanley (they hold up well) 16' Fat Max (1 1/4" blade) - YouGuessedIt $23., Walmart $30, Homely Depot $21. I like doing business with Homely anyway. I'm pleased.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 13, 2024 01:59 AM (lCWOD)

276 gear cutters

Sprocket Season!
Cog Season!

Posted by: DaveA at May 13, 2024 02:08 AM (FhXTo)

277 The most powerful country in the world.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ycffZkWEVno

Posted by: Braenyard at May 13, 2024 02:11 AM (lCWOD)

278 Youtube ads are so annoying. Now I'm supposed to worry if it takes more than 12 seconds to poop. Who decides these things? Why not 10, or 30?

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at May 13, 2024 02:20 AM (w6EFb)

279 Youtube ads are so annoying. Now I'm supposed to worry if it takes more than 12 seconds to poop. Who decides these things? Why not 10, or 30?
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at May 13, 2024 02:20 AM (w6EFb)

When I watch YouTube on my tv through the cable box, I get those annoying @%#!ing ads. But with AdBlock, I don't get them while watching on the 'puter.

Apropos of nothing, got a new keyboard and mouse; they were well over ten years old and were too pooped to 'pute. These new guys, man. The light touch on the keyboard and the mouse wheel actually works! The little things in life. But then again, I'm easily amused.

Who decides these things? Why not 10, or 30?

The Great God, Al-Go-Rhyth-Um.

Posted by: RickZ at May 13, 2024 02:28 AM (emlEe)

280 I'm using Brave and get no ads.
When I used FF I used AdBlocker + and ads were greatly diminished.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 13, 2024 02:51 AM (lCWOD)

281 The right of assembly suspended
The right of habeas corpus suspended
The right of jury by your peers suspended

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNRjt4rCymM

Posted by: Braenyard at May 13, 2024 03:07 AM (lCWOD)

282 I get up to make sure everyone has a chance to see Bad Blue

Posted by: Skip at May 13, 2024 03:34 AM (fwDg9)

283 Hey, Skip, I'm going down.
See you on the flip side.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 13, 2024 03:35 AM (lCWOD)

284 I get up to make sure everyone has a chance to see Bad Blue
Posted by: Skip at May 13, 2024 03:34 AM (fwDg9)

Its good to have a mission in life .

Posted by: JT at May 13, 2024 03:35 AM (T4tVD)

285 Here's wishing a good post-Mother's Day day to ever'body!

"Be kind to your web-footed friends,
For a duck may be somebody's mother --"

After a relatively mild weekend, in temps and humidity, we're back to 78 this a.m. Rain is predicted this morning and tonight. I hope it holds off until after I get home this evening. It'll be a tough week until late Wednesday night, and then I'll have a day and a half off. You?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 13, 2024 03:42 AM (omVj0)

286 Glad to hear Nurse Ratched is ok. And she was slated to hve a date that night? Now there's a "meet-cute" story for Hollywood, at least the H'wood of years gone by. The kind of tale you tell your kids. "And then Daddy came to see me in the hospital with some flowers, and . . ."

At the "Champagne Stroll" event Saturday night, when a load of uptown stores stayed open late and often provided some free cheese and wine to everybody who visited, one shop had a print of an attractive 1940s brunette on the wall. Not a movie star, but a headshot of a pretty woman with her hair done and wearing a simple print dress. I asked, and it was the owner's grandmother.

She also was a dead ringer for my own mother.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 13, 2024 03:51 AM (omVj0)

287 Wolfus - I think you were the one asking about the author of The Keys Of The Kingdom in the book thread this morning. Someone may have answered, but if not, the fellow in question is A.J. Cronin, Scottish doctor-turned-author. If you like his work, you'd probably enjoy The Citadel and his Doctor Finlay stories.

Posted by: John Drake Nearing the Caspian Sea at May 13, 2024 03:55 AM (u/Zei)

288 Wolfus - I think you were the one asking about the author of The Keys Of The Kingdom in the book thread this morning. Someone may have answered, but if not, the fellow in question is A.J. Cronin, Scottish doctor-turned-author. If you like his work, you'd probably enjoy The Citadel and his Doctor Finlay stories.
Posted by: John Drake Nearing the Caspian Sea at May 13, 2024

***
It was me, John; thanks. I kept thinking it was "J.J. Connington," a now-forgotten British mystery author in the '20s and '30s. That couldn't be right. Yes, I could have looked it up online, but I was trying to cudgel the memory. I'm pretty sure I've read a couple of Cronin's works.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 13, 2024 03:58 AM (omVj0)

289 Trying to decide if I want to go work out. Quick answer: No. The bug bite or whatever it is on my back is still bothering me.

Longer answer: I need to work out; haven't since Thursday.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 13, 2024 04:01 AM (omVj0)

290 Had stacks of boxes of models to build as a kid. Was the extended family's go-to for my bday and Xmas gifts. . By far my favorite were the WW2 planes. Just seeing the torp bomber picture takes me back. Hope kids still have those.

Posted by: Son of Dad at May 13, 2024 04:04 AM (8JB5s)

291 Had stacks of boxes of models to build as a kid. Was the extended family's go-to for my bday and Xmas gifts. . By far my favorite were the WW2 planes. Just seeing the torp bomber picture takes me back. Hope kids still have those.
Posted by: Son of Dad at May 13, 2024

***
They do, but the kits and supplies are now $$$$.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at May 13, 2024 04:18 AM (omVj0)

292 Pixy's nood.

Posted by: olddog in mo at May 13, 2024 04:21 AM (ju2Fy)

293 One thing that is not often appreciated about the Battle of the Coral Sea is the timing.

The Battle of the Coral Sea is generally credited as beginning on May 4, 1942, and ending on May 8.

Corregidor in the Philippines surrendered on May 6, 1942.

So, even as the Japanese advance reached its zenith, it was receiving its first check.

Posted by: Dave L. at May 13, 2024 04:32 AM (jVD1a)

294 Dave L...great point...and never mind what was going on in Europe and Africa at the time.

Posted by: OBAGeezer at May 13, 2024 09:47 AM (C8ve7)

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