Real Clear Politics responds with much deliberation to accusations by the NYT

I have always thought of Real Clear Politics as a site which has a sort of right-ish editorial stance, but which fearlessly links content from across the political spectrum so that readers can judge for themselves in whom they should place their trust.

On April 4, Carl Cannon published this:

Ten days after the 2020 election, Tom Bevan, co-founder and president of RealClearPolitics, received an email from a New York Times reporter who covers the media. The reporter, Jeremy W. Peters, advised Bevan that his newspaper was working on a story about RCP and asked for responses to various questions and accusations. Four days later, Peters' critique was published under the headline "A Popular Political Site Made a Sharp Right Turn. What Steered It."
The sleight-of-hand was right there in the headline. The New York Times simply declared that RCP "made a sharp right turn," and suggested it will document how this happened.
The Times' story asserted that during the period of counting absentee and late-arriving mail-in ballots, RCP took three days longer than other news organizations to call Pennsylvania for Joe Biden. It noted disapprovingly that we aggregated stories from other news outlets quoting Trump supporters who questioned the election results. It suggested that the RCP Poll Averages were manipulated to be favorable to Donald Trump. Peters focused on RCP staff layoffs in September 2017, and claimed we'd hired partisan Republicans to replace them. He reported that the RealClear Foundation, a nonprofit that supports our journalism, receives contributions from conservative donors. He also called into question a RealClear Investigations exposé naming the whistleblower whose complaints led to Trump's first impeachment.

The co-bloggers at Instapundit seem to have been watching RCP, and Mark Tapscott wrote this:

RCP'S CANNON OBLITERATES NYTIMES: For reasons known only to him, RealClearPolitics Washington Bureau Chief Carl Cannon waited three and a half years to respond to a classic piece of cheap-shot "reporting" by the New York Times' Jeremy Peters.
Trust me, it was worth the wait because Cannon systematically, factually and precisely exposes a hatchet job that demonstrated in the days immediately after the 2020 election just how deep is the agit-prop mire into which the Mainstream Media has fallen.

Tapscott's comparison of RCP's journalistic standards to those of the NYT at the link is also quite pointed.

Back to Carl Cannon's April 4 piece:

Jeremy Peters declined to be interviewed for this rebuttal, though he was courteous about it. Nor did he reach out to me in 2020, beyond contacting Tom Bevan. It didn't hurt my pride, but I'm the most experienced newsman at RCP; I oversee our original content, I direct our reporters, and I have written more words for RealClear than anyone else.
Nor was there any bad blood between me and the "paper of record." In the 1980s, the Times credited my groundbreaking coverage of the Catholic Church sex abuse scandal. In the 1990s, Howell Raines tried to hire me. Three books I've co-authored have been positively reviewed by the Times. When I covered the White House for National Journal, the Times' book editor asked me to review a book about Dick Cheney. I have had friends at that newspaper. Although I'm not famous, I'm not unknown in Washington journalism. What I'm best known for is being relentlessly nonpartisan. If someone is writing about bias at my organization, calling me would have been the obvious place to start.
I shouldn't have waited three years to respond to the Times but will do so now.

It's a great piece, full of intriguing information. You should probably read it. The idea that the present Times staff would think of Carl Cannon as "non-partisan" is kinda funny, though. Check out this 2009 post by Ace (don't comment on old threads) on The Obit Ted Kennedy Deserves:

But the real find here is this Carl Cannon piece on Chappaquiddick and the media's selective memory.
I thought it was good piece as it explained why conservatives care about Chappaquiddick and liberals in the MSM are wrong to dismiss these concerns as merely held by "haters."
But then it got . . . appalling, as it recounted the Chappaquiddick Manslaughter in harrowing detail. Details I never knew about before. It's the little things that stick with you, and there are some little things here (not little at all for Mary Jo Kopechne) that truly bring home how vile this man was.
So, Howie Kurtz is surprised Chappaquiddick and Kopechne are hot search terms, and that some of the "comments are pretty harsh?"
He ought to read Carl Cannon's piece. You know what's harsh? . . .

Carl Cannon's belated rebuttal to the NYT is Part 5 of their 1735 Project. Here's the introduction:

The media is in trouble. Its traditional business model has all but collapsed, its journalism standards are in freefall. Americans have noticed. Voters in the United States express historically high levels of mistrust in the press. Faith in our nation's political system is disintegrating at the same time. Belief in government has never been lower. These two trends - - interrelated, mutually reinforcing - - have been years in the making. Together, they constitute a crisis in confidence in two institutions essential to self-government.

They are taking on some deep questions there.

Then there's this from Ed Driscoll on March 30:

DISPATCHES FROM THE MEMORY HOLE: Real Clear Politics' Samizdat Prize, Behind The Scenes Stories Of Censorship: Matt Taibbi, Jay Bhattacharya, And Miranda Devine.

I didn't know they had a Samizdat Prize. More at the link.

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Miscellany

An intersting comparison between the space requirements of wind turbines with that of a nuclear power plant

[🎞️ klimavenner .no]pic.twitter.com/IUX8Av2Cul
— Massimo (@Rainmaker1973) April 3, 2024

Humorous.

Woke Fail: Leftist Scottish Leader Receives More Hate Speech Complaints than J.K. Rowling, as Police Swamped with Reportshttps://t.co/K8hzNfPSFD
— Breitbart London (@BreitbartLondon) April 3, 2024

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Music

The Cleverlys

Walk Like an Egyptian

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Hope you have something nice planned for this weekend.

This is the Thread before the Gardening Thread.

Serving your mid-day open thread needs

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Last week's thread, March 30, What happens when journalists from the left decide they can criticize the left?

Comments are closed so you won't ban yourself by trying to comment on a week-old thread. But don't try it anyway.

Posted by: K.T. at 11:14 AM

Comments

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1 Good morning KT

Posted by: Skip at April 06, 2024 11:15 AM (fwDg9)

2 Foist?

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 06, 2024 11:18 AM (Gse2f)

3 456 446 There's a meme with a pic of Greta squealing that we 'ruined her childhood' paired with a pic of a not-Scandinavian child apologizing for taking so long to do the mining work.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 06, 2024 11:05 AM (llON

I see St Greta was arrested for blocking a road in the Netherlands.
Posted by: BignJames at April 06, 2024 11:08 AM (AwYPR
She vaporlocked. Needs aluminum foil and wooden clothespins.
Posted by: Eromero at April 06, 2024 11:18 AM (o2ZRX
Willowed from previous thread.

Posted by: Eromero at April 06, 2024 11:20 AM (o2ZRX)

4 hiya

Posted by: JT at April 06, 2024 11:21 AM (T4tVD)

5 Thanks Skip for the NOOD.
Still a rookie because KT has such great girthy threads.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 06, 2024 11:21 AM (Fg/tA)

6 In the immediate aftermath of Trump's shocking 2016 win, the NYT ran an op-ed apologizing for getting it so wrong, admitted that they didn't understand middle America, and promised better reporting. That didn't last past the weekend as the newsroom revolted.

Posted by: Ignoramus at April 06, 2024 11:22 AM (Gse2f)

7 Eclipse weather question for Tom Servo, Helena, and others in the Texas total eclipse track:

What do you and other folks in your areas expect cloud cover to be? The forecasts I've seen predict near complete overcast, along with a high probability of rain, along the entire Texas track, Arkansas and beyond look little better. I have a viewing spot available at the MoMe location, but it looks like it will be a no-view place and a useless drive up there.

Thanks!

Posted by: Gref at April 06, 2024 11:23 AM (5fDan)

8 Do over?

Posted by: Skip at April 06, 2024 11:23 AM (fwDg9)

9 "Trust me, it was worth the wait because Cannon systematically, factually and precisely exposes a hatchet job that demonstrated in the days immediately after the 2020 election just how deep is the agit-prop mire into which the Mainstream Media has fallen."

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Except that is to entirely miss the point. The NYT created the narrative, and to refute it years later, no matter how much TRUTH you put into your effort, you are fighting a battle that was lost three and a half years earlier.

See the Orwell quote above it.

Truth is for suckers.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 06, 2024 11:24 AM (1xjGZ)

10 I was thinking how different it could have been if we'd had real reporting on Covid.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 06, 2024 11:24 AM (yeEu9)

11 I still can only hope some day if the Covid scam ever breaks wide open the Democrats Propaganda Ministry will go with it to the depths of distrust.

Posted by: Skip at April 06, 2024 11:25 AM (fwDg9)

12 Didja see this super villain comparison from Week In Pictures?

https://shorturl.at/CJNW8

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 06, 2024 11:26 AM (FVME7)

13 Morning.

Posted by: Robert at April 06, 2024 11:27 AM (1Yy3c)

14 Woke Fail: Leftist Scottish Leader Receives More Hate Speech Complaints than J.K. Rowling...

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I'm looking at the picture. I see one redhead... I don't see any "Scottish" leaders.

Btw, Rowling is still a one.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 06, 2024 11:27 AM (1xjGZ)

15 DO NOT CLICK!!!

https://shorturl.at/htvN3

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 06, 2024 11:29 AM (FVME7)

16 Rowling is still a one.
Posted by: BurtTC at April 06, 2024 11:27 AM (1xjGZ)

Being a one plus being a billionaire equals I'd hit it.

Posted by: Robert at April 06, 2024 11:30 AM (1Yy3c)

17 I was thinking how different it could have been if we'd had real reporting on Covid.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 06, 2024 11:24 AM (yeEu9)

I bet in 1963 there were plenty of people saying there was something fishy about the assassination reporting.

It should be possible for anyone paying attention to realize the whole thing was an op from the start, and the "official" story is a lie.

But people still believe it, 60 years later.

Sixty years from now, there will be people saying Trump was elected due to Russian interference, that Covid was a massive threat to the human race, justifying all the measures taken, and J6 was an attempt to overthrow the government.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 06, 2024 11:31 AM (1xjGZ)

18 Being a one plus being a billionaire equals I'd hit it.
Posted by: Robert at April 06, 2024 11:30 AM (1Yy3c)

Like a redheaded stepmule in a submarine with a screen door in a hurricane.

I don't know about that analogy, when I'm this aroused I get confused.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 06, 2024 11:33 AM (1xjGZ)

19 10 I was thinking how different it could have been if we'd had real reporting on Covid.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 06, 2024 11:24 AM (yeEu9)

A wide swath of the disinfo came from folks who were scared to finger China for fear of kicking off WWIII. Or at least that's as good a story to hide behind as any.

They won't even tell me a decent lie.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at April 06, 2024 11:34 AM (z+89e)

20 Didja see this super villain comparison from Week In Pictures?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

I didn't understand that one because both picture looked identical.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 06, 2024 11:35 AM (Fg/tA)

21 About the eclipse weather, we are southwest of Austin and the forecast is for cloudy with some possible breaks in the morning and then thunderstorms in the afternoon. Not encouraging but this is Texas so anything could happen. The weather forecasts for our particular location aren't very good either so we're optimistic.

I'd have a hard time talking myself into traveling anywhere to see it. Besides, unless you have someone to stay with all accommodations along the path of totality have been booked for months.

Posted by: Art Rondelet of Malmsey at April 06, 2024 11:36 AM (FEVMW)

22 Tried to click on the link to Carl Cannon's piece in Ace's old post and got 404'd. Another chunk of the internet falling off into the void, perhaps.

Posted by: pookysgirl, kept awake by the wind at April 06, 2024 11:36 AM (dtlDP)

23 Tried to click on the link to Carl Cannon's piece in Ace's old post and got 404'd. Another chunk of the internet falling off into the void, perhaps.
Posted by: pookysgirl

https://is.gd/ap0tav

link to his April 4th article.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 06, 2024 11:38 AM (Fg/tA)

24 'leftist leader Humsa Yousaf'

You can tell Scotland has given up as a nation when it outsources their political leadership offshore.

I'm looking at you too, UK and Ireland.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 06, 2024 11:39 AM (roH4R)

25 Thx K.T. On the plus side Ted Kennedy has been sober for almost 15 years

Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 06, 2024 11:41 AM (ixVYR)

26 14
'Btw, Rowling is still a one.'

You would let her onto platform 9-3/4?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 06, 2024 11:41 AM (roH4R)

27 An intersting comparison between the space requirements of wind turbines with that of a nuclear power plant

As much as I hate those spinning (or not) boondoggles, I had no idea the footprint disparity was that large. This should be required viewing for anyone spouting off about renewables.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 06, 2024 11:43 AM (CsUN+)

28 Farewell, Guam. You had a good run.

Posted by: Lower the boats at April 06, 2024 11:45 AM (dg+HA)

29 ISTR a Scot recently commenting that Humza Yousef also pisses off the Indians in Scotland because of his pro-Pakistani stance on Kashmir.

Yousef got his position when the old SNP head was "me-tooed" when he tried to take the premiership back from Sturgeon, which sank both of them, and Yousef was the next in line, in spite of having done nothing and accomplishing nothing other than being born.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 06, 2024 11:45 AM (D7oie)

30 A wide swath of the disinfo came from folks who were scared to finger China for fear of kicking off WWIII. Or at least that's as good a story to hide behind as any.

They won't even tell me a decent lie.
Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at April 06, 2024 11:34 AM (z+89e)

It was a joint US China bioweapons project.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 06, 2024 11:47 AM (D7oie)

31 27
' I had no idea the footprint disparity was that large. This should be required viewing for anyone spouting off about renewables.'

'Green' energy is a good idea when you ignore space and cost.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 06, 2024 11:47 AM (roH4R)

32 As much as I hate those spinning (or not) boondoggles, I had no idea the footprint disparity was that large. This should be required viewing for anyone spouting off about renewables.
Posted by: Archimedes

Montec hardest hit.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 06, 2024 11:48 AM (Fg/tA)

33 >>>On April 4, Carl Cannon published this:

I was just reading that! I found it recommended by @redsteeze, who provides a link and says, simply:

Stephen L. Miller
@redsteeze
Apr 5
Read it

Posted by: m at April 06, 2024 11:48 AM (o3SCB)

34 Thank you KT. The irony of Carl Cannon having to defend himself (his org) from a hatchet job by the NYT is that I’ve never much trusted “relentlessly nonpartisan” Carl Cannon since he let his Trump hatred slip out. I can’t remember specifics but I’m at RCP all the time over the past decade plus and Carl Cannon has showed his Trump-hate more than a few times. Besides…. As soon as anyone in the media describes themselves as “relentlessly nonpartisan” I immediately smell BS. But I’m glad he slapped back at the NYT…. Why wait so long though? That’s strange

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at April 06, 2024 11:49 AM (xT8gx)

35 25 Thx K.T. On the plus side Ted Kennedy has been sober for almost 15 years
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 06, 2024 11:41 AM (ixVYR)

I did a double-take and THEN got it.

Posted by: m at April 06, 2024 11:49 AM (o3SCB)

36 Imagine the stories if nuclear power slaughtered Bald Eagles - oh the humanity.

Posted by: Son of Dad at April 06, 2024 11:50 AM (8JB5s)

37 'Green' energy is a good idea when you ignore space and cost.

And reliability and durability. But other than that...

Posted by: Archimedes at April 06, 2024 11:50 AM (CsUN+)

38 Montec hardest hit.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 06, 2024 11:48 AM (Fg/tA)

He will find something else to hector us about. At least he never says How Dare You so that is to his benefit

Posted by: Kindltot at April 06, 2024 11:50 AM (D7oie)

39 You gotta say it the Greta way.

How DARE you!

Or How DAH you! Gotta drop that R for the added affect.

Posted by: Robert at April 06, 2024 11:54 AM (1Yy3c)

40 "accomplishing nothing other than being born."

That's still an achievement that some never reach

Posted by: Wine Mom's aborted fetus at April 06, 2024 11:55 AM (a1415)

41 The irony of Carl Cannon having to defend himself (his org) from a hatchet job by the NYT is that I’ve never much trusted “relentlessly nonpartisan” Carl Cannon since he let his Trump hatred slip out. I can’t remember specifics but I’m at RCP all the time over the past decade plus and Carl Cannon has showed his Trump-hate more than a few times.

I don't care if someone hates Trump, so long as they're factual and honest. I have no idea if Cannon is, but just because he dislikes Trump (I'm taking your word for it) is no reason to say he's lying.

For almost all members of the dinosaur media it's a safe bet that they both hate Trump and are lying fabulists.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 06, 2024 11:56 AM (CsUN+)

42 39
'Gotta drop that R for the added affect.'

The only effect I had from Greta was that of a piggy, arrogant fanatic.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 06, 2024 11:57 AM (roH4R)

43 Tom Elliott
@tomselliott
MSNBC’s @NicolleDWallace gets upset w/ @RepClayHiggins for discussing undercover FBI agents’ role in 1/6: “The fact is that Jan 6 was a deadly insurrection in which Trump supporters beat cops with flagpoles, full stop. That’s it. You don’t need to tell the whole story of Jan 6."

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Yeah, just cherry pick the juicy bits.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 06, 2024 11:57 AM (FVME7)

44 Carl Cannon Chappaquiddick and the media's selective memory

The link doesn't work. Went to search engine and clicked to the site ... https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2009/08
/27/chappaquiddick_america039s_selective_memory
_220214.html

and it's a blank Real Clear Politics page it's been memory holed.
But there is

Chappaquiddick: America's Selective Memory
Excerpts from a remarkably clear-eyed piece by Carl Cannon:

https://tinyurl.com/yc685x3z

Posted by: Braenyard at April 06, 2024 11:57 AM (M+ScW)

45 21 About the eclipse weather, we are southwest of Austin and the forecast is for cloudy with some possible breaks in the morning and then thunderstorms in the afternoon. Not encouraging but this is Texas so anything could happen. The weather forecasts for our particular location aren't very good either so we're optimistic.

I'd have a hard time talking myself into traveling anywhere to see it. Besides, unless you have someone to stay with all accommodations along the path of totality have been booked for months.

Posted by: Art Rondelet of Malmsey at April 06, 2024 11:36 AM (FEVMW)

Thanks. The center of the totality zone is a three hour drive for me, from north through northwest. I plan to make it a day trip. I may need to start driving at 3 AM to beat the traffic, though! As of this instant the drive seems pointless due to weather.

Posted by: Gref at April 06, 2024 11:58 AM (5fDan)

46 I was so overjoyed to see an e-mail from the Air & Space Force Association showing C-17s dropping MREs on Gaza.

Not.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 06, 2024 12:00 PM (LwmLF)

47 To continue the EV discussion, all it will take to end them is a Hindenburg event mass casualties due to a battery fire. Like the recent Luton airport fire that destroyed 1200 cars and the authorities claim was a diesel Land Rover that started it

Posted by: Lord Percy at April 06, 2024 12:00 PM (/cBnn)

48 You gotta say it the Greta way.

How DARE you!

Or How DAH you! Gotta drop that R for the added affect.
Posted by: Robert at April 06, 2024 11:54 AM (1Yy3c)

I saw the video of her being arrested at the hague. I suspect she would have been having less fun in Turkey

https://tinyurl.com/53d7us38

Posted by: Kindltot at April 06, 2024 12:00 PM (D7oie)

49 45 21 About the eclipse weather, we are southwest of Austin and the forecast is for cloudy with some possible breaks in the morning and then thunderstorms in the afternoon. Not encouraging but this is Texas so anything could happen. The weather forecasts for our particular location aren't very good either so we're optimistic.

I'd have a hard time talking myself into traveling anywhere to see it. Besides, unless you have someone to stay with all accommodations along the path of totality have been booked for months.

Posted by: Art Rondelet of Malmsey at April 06, 2024 11:36 AM (FEVMW)

Thanks. The center of the totality zone is a three hour drive for me, from north through northwest. I plan to make it a day trip. I may need to start driving at 3 AM to beat the traffic, though! As of this instant the drive seems pointless due to weather.
Posted by: Gref at April 06, 2024 11:58 AM (5fDan)

Same. If I stay at my mom's house, I get 90 sec-2 min of totality. Looking at driving to centerline anyway just because.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 06, 2024 12:01 PM (LwmLF)

50 How DARE you!

Or How DAH you! Gotta drop that R for the added affect.

Posted by: Robert at April 06, 2024 11:54 AM (1Yy3c)

chopp-ah...neigh-bah

Posted by: BignJames at April 06, 2024 12:01 PM (AwYPR)

51 Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 06, 2024 11:38 AM (Fg/tA)

Thanks, but I'm talking about the Cannon semi-obit of Kennedy that Ace was referencing in his 2009 post. (Good grief, we Morons have been around that long? Wait, longer?!)

Posted by: pookysgirl, salt of the earth and people of the land at April 06, 2024 12:03 PM (dtlDP)

52
At the show. Diana was Best of Winners and Best of Opposite Sex for a totally unnecessary point. And this time we brought the right puppies!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at April 06, 2024 12:03 PM (0b0Pv)

53 22 Tried to click on the link to Carl Cannon's piece in Ace's old post and got 404'd. Another chunk of the internet falling off into the void, perhaps.

Posted by: pookysgirl, kept awake by the wind
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see #44

Been reorganizing my last 23yrs of files. In them many important links were preserved. Nah, the most conservative sites dump. Very disappointing.

Oh, and, I'll never make it as a clerk.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 06, 2024 12:05 PM (M+ScW)

54 A 1 AWFL asks to have empathy for the subway assailants.

https://shorturl.at/knPZ3

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 06, 2024 12:06 PM (FVME7)

55 …. Why wait so long though? That’s strange

Posted by: LinusVanPelt
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Now is a good time to blast the Times though, isn't it?

Posted by: Braenyard at April 06, 2024 12:06 PM (M+ScW)

56 Turns out Senator McCarthy wasn't taking the threat seriously enough. Whooda thunked it

Posted by: Son of Dad at April 06, 2024 12:07 PM (8JB5s)

57 You would let her onto platform 9-3/4?

I'd let her on to 9-3/4 inches.

Posted by: Frank Harris at April 06, 2024 12:08 PM (/HDaX)

58 I don't care if someone hates Trump, so long as they're factual and honest. I have no idea if Cannon is, but just because he dislikes Trump (I'm taking your word for it) is no reason to say he's lying.

For almost all members of the dinosaur media it's a safe bet that they both hate Trump and are lying fabulists.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 06, 2024 11:56 AM (CsUN+)

You make a good point. He’s probably fairer than most but his self description as relentlessly nonpartisan is just so much BS; it kinda rubs me the wrong way.

The last nonpartisan reporter I remember was Prince of Darkness Robert Novak…. He came out and told everyone he was a conservative…. But his reporting always seemed straight down the line. Don’t know if we have any Novak’s these days. That guy wore out a lot of shoe leather

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at April 06, 2024 12:09 PM (xT8gx)

59 A little sun comes out and everyone ditches K.T..
Well, it's your loss.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 06, 2024 12:09 PM (M+ScW)

60
You can tell Scotland has given up as a nation when it outsources their political leadership offshore.

I'm looking at you too, UK and Ireland.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 06, 2024 11:39 AM

Wales too!

Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at April 06, 2024 12:10 PM (UWRAE)

61
I saw the video of her being arrested at the hague. I suspect she would have been having less fun in Turkey

https://tinyurl.com/53d7us38
Posted by: Kindltot at April 06, 2024 12:00 PM (D7oie)

Turkey is a real barrel of laughs, especially when busted for smuggling hashish.

Moral of the story: when the State Department says "when in a foreign country, you are subject to its laws", believe them.

Posted by: Midnight Express at April 06, 2024 12:10 PM (LwmLF)

62 54
'A 1 AWFL'

Knobs not big enough. Do not consider bangable.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 06, 2024 12:11 PM (roH4R)

63 She's Big Mad at the Rock!

Kimberley Johnson
@AuthorKimberley
So, @TheRock, what will you tell your daughter if Trump wins she is raped and forced to carry the pregnancy to term?
Will you say, "Well, honey, I just couldn't use my massive influence to endorse the only candidate who would have protected you,"?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 06, 2024 12:11 PM (FVME7)

64 60
You can tell Scotland has given up as a nation when it outsources their political leadership offshore.

I'm looking at you too, UK and Ireland.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 06, 2024 11:39 AM

Wales too!
Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at April 06, 2024 12:10 PM (UWRAE)

Do not look at me.

Posted by: Brexit at April 06, 2024 12:11 PM (LwmLF)

65 But there is

Chappaquiddick: America's Selective Memory
Excerpts from a remarkably clear-eyed piece by Carl Cannon:

https://tinyurl.com/yc685x3z

Posted by: Braenyard at April 06, 2024 11:57 AM (M+ScW)

Dankeschoen.

Posted by: pookysgirl, salt of the earth and people of the land at April 06, 2024 12:12 PM (dtlDP)

66 Going to my buddy's 20th Wedding anniversary party tonight. Good to see long term marriages still going strong. I'm not naive though, even the best marriages have bumps in the road . You have to put in the work.

Posted by: polynikes at April 06, 2024 12:12 PM (AIm4E)

67 The sleight-of-hand was right there in the headline. The New York Times simply declared that RCP "made a sharp right turn," and suggested it will document how this happened.

The stands on issues in Barack Obama's 2012 re-election campaign is by current FNM standards "far right wing"

Posted by: 18-1 at April 06, 2024 12:14 PM (ibTVg)

68 "accomplishing nothing other than being born." brown.

Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at April 06, 2024 12:14 PM (UWRAE)

69 Kimberley Johnson
@AuthorKimberley
So, @TheRock, what will you tell your daughter if Trump wins she is raped and forced to carry the pregnancy to term?
Will you say, "Well, honey, I just couldn't use my massive influence to endorse the only candidate who would have protected you,"?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 06, 2024 12:11 PM (FVME7)

Tell her something you do not know: the United States has a federal, NOT repeat NOT a unitary, government.
As the United States has a federal government, it has these things called "states" that determine such things. As much as the Left and stupid people insist, we do NOT have a unitary government. Go to the UK, France, Japan or the ROK if you want a unitary government. (And the UK is getting less unitary all the time)

STATES' ISSUE.

Posted by: Basic civics at April 06, 2024 12:14 PM (LwmLF)

70 Chappaquiddick: America's Selective Memory
Excerpts from a remarkably clear-eyed piece by Carl Cannon:

https://tinyurl.com/yc685x3z

(crosses arms, scowls, stares with disapproval)

Posted by: U.S. Media at April 06, 2024 12:16 PM (LwmLF)

71 Dankeschoen.
Posted by: pookysgirl, salt of the earth and people of the land

Gesundheidt !

Posted by: JT at April 06, 2024 12:17 PM (T4tVD)

72 I saw the video of her being arrested at the hague. I suspect she would have been having less fun in Turkey

Okay, I'll be the one to say it. Greta appears to have sprouted, IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 06, 2024 12:17 PM (CsUN+)

73 It is too bad that the response came years later but... The response was made. The ability to fight back is still available. Good on the author, Cannon.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 06, 2024 12:17 PM (S5+ge)

74 This guy’s video about how the eclipse will let us “download a message from the universe” launched me into the weekend 💀

https://shorturl.at/bfmD1

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They want us to drink more Ovaltine?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 06, 2024 12:17 PM (FVME7)

75 47 To continue the EV discussion, all it will take to end them is a Hindenburg event mass casualties due to a battery fire. Like the recent Luton airport fire that destroyed 1200 cars and the authorities claim was a diesel Land Rover that started it
Posted by: Lord Percy at April 06, 2024 12:00 PM (/cBnn)

The problem is that the authorities will not grasp the truth.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 06, 2024 12:17 PM (LwmLF)

76 I go to the RCP site every day-- first the polls, & then the aggregated articles. The latter are published twice a day, morning & afternoon. I've been visiting RCP every day for years.

For a MAGA reader like me, it's almost painful. EVERY gd day RCP links to The Guardian, The Nation, Vox, Salon, The New Yorker, The Atlantic, etc. Now, each of these woke socialist sites is always perfectly balanced with an article from the right.

But for the NYT to claim that RCP became "right leaning," in the same way that Drudge switched sides, I guess, is bullzh*t. That word absolutely applies to this example of NYT journalism.

Posted by: mnw at April 06, 2024 12:17 PM (NLIak)

77 Chappaquiddick Is arguably only the 3rd or 4th worse thing Kennedy did in his life. She didn't know it but Mary Jo gave up her life to save America from a Ted Kennedy presidency.

Posted by: polynikes at April 06, 2024 12:17 PM (AIm4E)

78 63

'forced to carry the pregnancy to term?'

Abortion was never my big issue but people like this make me sick who act like killing and disposing of babies is some kind of virtue because it lets hags like her escape responsibility. I am proportionately pleased by her fury.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 06, 2024 12:17 PM (roH4R)

79 Kimberley Johnson
@AuthorKimberley
So, @TheRock, what will you tell your daughter if Trump wins she is raped and forced to carry the pregnancy to term?
Will you say, "Well, honey, I just couldn't use my massive influence to endorse the only candidate who would have protected you,"?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 06, 2024 12:11 PM (FVME7)

I was recently listening to Jordan Peterson discuss Freud's "devouring mother" archetype, and politically active Childless AWFLs and I honestly am surprised the tropes he discussed were right there in the wild like that.

Horrible women denouncing everything to destruction to "protect the children"

Posted by: Kindltot at April 06, 2024 12:19 PM (D7oie)

80 U.S. Expecting “Significant” Attack From Iran Within One Week

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Quick! Deliver more pallets of Ben Franklins!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 06, 2024 12:19 PM (FVME7)

81 It was a joint US China bioweapons project.
Posted by: Kindltot at April 06, 2024 11:47 AM (D7oie)

BIOWEAPONS AND I ARE THE SAME

Posted by: Unit 731 at April 06, 2024 12:20 PM (LwmLF)

82 They want us to drink more Ovaltine?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 06, 2024 12:17 PM (FVME7)

Nah, just this time everybody gets to ride on the comet

Posted by: Kindltot at April 06, 2024 12:20 PM (D7oie)

83 So, @TheRock, what will you tell your daughter if Trump wins she is raped and forced to carry the pregnancy to term?

Sorry one of Pedo Joe's newcomers raped you? Maybe Trump will send them all away?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 06, 2024 12:21 PM (ibTVg)

84 Biden to Announce Plan to Cancel Student Loan Debt for Millions on Monday

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F*ck the Supreme Court!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 06, 2024 12:21 PM (FVME7)

85 "So, @TheRock, what will you tell your daughter if Trump wins she is raped and forced to carry the pregnancy to term?"

It's Trump's fault?

Posted by: BignJames at April 06, 2024 12:21 PM (AwYPR)

86 57

Thank you, Frank for hitting my slow pitch over home plate.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 06, 2024 12:21 PM (roH4R)

87 Thx, I will read Carl Cannon's piece. Nice work. I normally would dismiss any rebuttal from a journalist about a journalist as catty and dishonest fluff of no importance, and decline to read past the subhead. But you've sold me in

Also, RCP is correct to note the broader "disintegration" of trust in our institutions. Few people in media are willing to acknowledge that this is even happening.

Of those, only a tiny number acknowledge that there might be good reasons for that collapse of public trust, or that the millions upon millions of people who have turned their backs on these institutions are even decent human beings.

The de rigueur, bien pensant position of our media organs, Left and "Right," is that these people are drooling idiots, mentally ill, bigots, moral cowards, ignorant peasants or some combination thereof. People who don't know what's good for them, and need to be put in their place, rather than a social I'll of their own creation.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 06, 2024 12:21 PM (0FoWg)

88 Think of the time when the Rapture occurs and the only evidence is something along the line of "so what happened to Larry? Have you seen him around, it is like he disappeared off the face of the Earth"

Posted by: Kindltot at April 06, 2024 12:22 PM (D7oie)

89 The owners of RCP bend over backwards to try and be fair. I remember communicating with them in their earliest days and they were not interested in running a "Drudge Report" type website.

It's funny how partisan the supposed "mainstream media" can be towards the Democrat Party but if anything is "not Leftist" it has to be branded as right-wing and dangerous.

Posted by: Blago at April 06, 2024 12:22 PM (wMRY8)

90 Thx K.T. On the plus side Ted Kennedy has been sober for almost 15 years
Posted by: Smell the Glove at April 06, 2024 11:41 AM (ixVYR)

I did a double-take and THEN got it.
Posted by: m at April 06, 2024 11

I'm guessing he is dead, then? I briefly wondered how sobriety compares to callous disregard for human life.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 06, 2024 12:23 PM (S5+ge)

91 Back in the 70s and 80s I used to argue that, bad as it was, NYT was better than WaPo. Or at least, less bad. One difference back then was, that WaPo was, about DC, like Biden about himself. EVERY story was about DC. If there was a war in Africa or Asia, and we weren't in it, the whole story was how DC thought about it.

Now, they're Tweedledee and Tweedledum. And both are worse now than they were then, which is saying something.

Posted by: Eeyore at April 06, 2024 12:23 PM (1bNHn)

92
I was recently listening to Jordan Peterson discuss Freud's "devouring mother" archetype, and politically active Childless AWFLs and I honestly am surprised the tropes he discussed were right there in the wild like that.

Horrible women denouncing everything to destruction to "protect the children"
Posted by: Kindltot at April 06, 2024 12:19 PM (D7oie)

Candidates for federal office need to explain this difference between federal government and unitary government thing.

(Though if the Left had their way the United States would absolutely be unitary, in every way possible.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 06, 2024 12:23 PM (LwmLF)

93 15 DO NOT CLICK!!!

https://shorturl.at/htvN3
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 06, 2024 11:29 AM (FVME7)

Dude, you know damn well that giving us a link and telling us not to click is like putting a 7-year-old girl in front of FJB and telling him not to sniff, grope or pinch.

Posted by: Seriously at April 06, 2024 12:23 PM (pFhjh)

94 Kimberley Johnson
@AuthorKimberley
So, @TheRock, what will you tell your daughter if Trump wins she is raped and forced to carry the pregnancy to term?
Will you say, "Well, honey, I just couldn't use my massive influence to endorse the only candidate who would have protected you,"?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 06, 2024 12:11 PM (FVM

That strawman statement so full of leftist victim fantasies that Hollywood is sure to make a TV series based on it .

Wait they already did with the Handmaid's Tale.

Posted by: polynikes at April 06, 2024 12:24 PM (AIm4E)

95 I'm guessing he is dead, then? I briefly wondered how sobriety compares to callous disregard for human life.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 06, 2024 12:23 PM (S5+ge)

You gotta' guess?

Posted by: BignJames at April 06, 2024 12:24 PM (AwYPR)

96 84 Biden to Announce Plan to Cancel Student Loan Debt for Millions on Monday

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F*ck the Supreme Court!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 06, 2024 12:21 PM (FVME7)

Time for me to grow!

Posted by: Inflation at April 06, 2024 12:24 PM (LwmLF)

97 BIOWEAPONS AND I ARE THE SAME
Posted by: Unit 731 at April 06, 2024 12:20 PM (LwmLF)

Oh, no, you also involved yourself in human vivisection, recreation of battlefield wounds, simultaneous third degree burns and deep frostbite, unmatched tissue transplants, and experimental trauma surgery without anesthesia. Bioweapons were just one leg of the cruelty and utter depraved torture in the name of "military medical research"

Posted by: Kindltot at April 06, 2024 12:25 PM (D7oie)

98 Mary Jo Kopechne died a terrible death. Contrary to popular wisdom, she did not drown. That would have been better for her. No, she lingered for hours in that submerged upside down car, breathing from a pocket of air trapped in the back seat. She had plenty of time to think about what had happened to her, and what her fate would likely be.

Mary Jo died a slow death of asphyxiation while Ted Kennedy was safe onshore, changing into dry clothes.

That's who he was.

Posted by: Don Black at April 06, 2024 12:25 PM (oCjPU)

99 The de rigueur, bien pensant position of our media organs, Left and "Right," is that these people are drooling idiots, mentally ill, bigots, moral cowards, ignorant peasants or some combination thereof. People who don't know what's good for them, and need to be put in their place, rather than a social I'll of their own creation.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 06, 2024 12:21 PM (0FoWg)

And most of these Neanderthals inhabit rural areas and smaller cities, and they need to be led by smart, urban types so that they can be as enlightened as their betters inside the Beltway.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 06, 2024 12:26 PM (LwmLF)

100 79
'Horrible women denouncing everything to destruction'

They're working tirelessly to get women's right to vote revoked in a post-destruction government.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 06, 2024 12:26 PM (roH4R)

101 Kimberley Johnson
@AuthorKimberley
So, @TheRock, what will you tell your daughter if Trump wins she is raped and forced to carry the pregnancy to term?
Will you say, "Well, honey, I just couldn't use my massive influence to endorse the only candidate who would have protected you,"?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 06, 2024 12:11 PM (FVM

Now excuse me Mr Rock. I have to attend an anti death penalty vigil for a serial rapist /murderer. ---- Kimberly Johnson

Posted by: polynikes at April 06, 2024 12:26 PM (AIm4E)

102 Introducing the 1735 Project, Exploring the Media’s Role in the Degradation of the National Discourse

https://tinyurl.com/48mcefxk

Posted by: Braenyard at April 06, 2024 12:26 PM (M+ScW)

103 Biden’s DOJ Seeks to Transfer Wrongful Death Suit for Ashli Babbit to Washington DC From California

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I guess California just wasn't crazy enough.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 06, 2024 12:26 PM (FVME7)

104 Been reorganizing my last 23yrs of files. In them many important links were preserved. Nah, the most conservative sites dump. Very disappointing.

Oh, and, I'll never make it as a clerk.
Posted by: Braenyard at April 06, 2024 12:05

Still! Impressive that you make the effort!

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 06, 2024 12:27 PM (S5+ge)

105 97 BIOWEAPONS AND I ARE THE SAME
Posted by: Unit 731 at April 06, 2024 12:20 PM (LwmLF)

Oh, no, you also involved yourself in human vivisection, recreation of battlefield wounds, simultaneous third degree burns and deep frostbite, unmatched tissue transplants, and experimental trauma surgery without anesthesia. Bioweapons were just one leg of the cruelty and utter depraved torture in the name of "military medical research"
Posted by: Kindltot at April 06, 2024 12:25 PM (D7oie)

What are you final thoughts?
Do you want to kill me, or die in shame?
From my point of view
Justified action, the enemy burns
Fuckin' burn!

Pathogens seek a horrible end
Churning factories of death
Crematoriums see your crime
YOU WILL SEE ME IN HELL

Posted by: Unit 731 at April 06, 2024 12:28 PM (LwmLF)

106 90
'I'm guessing he is dead, then?'

Yes, Teddy was taken out by a gallant brain tumor.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 06, 2024 12:29 PM (roH4R)

107 You would let her onto platform 9-3/4?

I'd let her on to 9-3/4 inches.
Posted by: Frank Harris

Does this mean you'll bang her three times to get the full length?

Posted by: BifBewalski at April 06, 2024 12:29 PM (MsrgL)

108 Woke leftists American women are the worst humans in the world.

Posted by: polynikes at April 06, 2024 12:30 PM (AIm4E)

109 If anyone could cause Guam to tip over and capsize it would be Lizzo, a morbidly obese narcissistic pig whose adipose mass is exceeded only by the size of her ego.

Posted by: But beautiful at any size. *retches* at April 06, 2024 12:30 PM (pFhjh)

110 Muhammad: Oh baby, I'm gonna rock you all night, you know what I'm saying? It'll be the first time all over again, baby, you won't be able to walk for a week, oh baby I'm gonna be the best you'll ever have...

30 seconds later:

Aaliyah: That was it? I didn't even ... I mean, on my leg?! WTF.

Posted by: Big Talkers from Tehran at April 06, 2024 12:30 PM (qUkBO)

111 Kimberley Johnson
@AuthorKimberley
So, @TheRock, what will you tell your daughter if Trump wins she is raped and forced to carry the pregnancy to term?

As already said above better than I could, what a fundamental stupid question.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 06, 2024 12:31 PM (W/lyH)

112 103 Biden’s DOJ Seeks to Transfer Wrongful Death Suit for Ashli Babbit to Washington DC From California

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I guess California just wasn't crazy enough.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 06, 2024 12:26 PM (FVME7)

I'm surprised everyone even remotely related to her hasn't been arrested.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 06, 2024 12:31 PM (LwmLF)

113 Diddy’s Ex-bodyguard Claims His Secret Tapes Could Feature Politicians, Preachers, and Princes

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Too bad there was a tragic canoe accident.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 06, 2024 12:31 PM (FVME7)

114 Back in the 70s and 80s I used to argue that, bad as it was, NYT was better than WaPo. Or at least, less bad. One difference back then was, that WaPo was, about DC, like Biden about himself. EVERY story was about DC. If there was a war in Africa or Asia, and we weren't in it, the whole story was how DC thought about it.

TBF, WaPo used to have an excellent comics section.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 06, 2024 12:31 PM (CsUN+)

115 Where is Diddy?

Posted by: BignJames at April 06, 2024 12:32 PM (AwYPR)

116 >>>As the United States has a federal government, it has these things called "states" that determine such things. As much as the Left and stupid people insist, we do NOT have a unitary government. Go to the UK, France, Japan or the ROK if you want a unitary government. (And the UK is getting less unitary all the time)

STATES' ISSUE.

Posted by: Basic civics
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We are the only nation In The World that has individual states, the rest have provinces or whatnot. The rest of the world uses the terms 'state' and 'nation' or 'country' interchangeably.
There's a reason we have states.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 06, 2024 12:32 PM (M+ScW)

117 Abolish the federales and the media will go tits up with it.

The Joe Bidens and Chuck U Schumers of world won't be able to use the federal borrowing scam to pay for rape, media coverage, propaganda pieces, fluff pieces, fluffers, votes, bribes, kick backs, extortion, hush money, grift and rape.

No more fun of any kind.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 06, 2024 12:33 PM (R/m4+)

118 I see St Greta was arrested for blocking a road in the Netherlands.
Posted by: BignJames at April 06, 2024 11:08 AM (AwYPR
She vaporlocked. Needs aluminum foil and wooden clothespins.
Posted by: Eromero at April 06, 2024 11:18 AM (o2ZRX
Willowed from previous thread.
Posted by: Eromero at April 06, 2024 11:20 AM (o2ZRX)

The Dutch Politie will smack her REAL hard on the wrists and send her into a corner for 5 minutes. She'll start screaming and crying, and throw a tantrum before she takes her punishment and is let go.

If she was protesting, say, the forced closure of farms, she would have had a bullet put through her head.

"Two-Sided Politics" by Suicidal Tendencies applies.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 06, 2024 12:33 PM (LwmLF)

119 "fair and balanced":

RCP tries harder to be that than any other political site in America. It's almost painful to watch it sometimes, because that means every prescient, persuasive article HAS TO BE immediately followed by a stupid one-- just to balance the ticket.

Posted by: mnw at April 06, 2024 12:34 PM (NLIak)

120 As much as I hate Disney, I'm not sure this is entirely their fault.

Detransitioner Chloe Cole Warns Disney CEO Bob Iger during Shareholder Meeting That “Lawsuits Are Coming,” Blames Company for Her Body Being “Irreversibly Damaged”

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 06, 2024 12:34 PM (FVME7)

121 111 Kimberley Johnson
@AuthorKimberley
So, @TheRock, what will you tell your daughter if Trump wins she is raped and forced to carry the pregnancy to term?

As already said above better than I could, what a fundamental stupid question.
Posted by: Diogenes at April 06, 2024 12:31 PM (W/lyH)

Because that's what men do, rape women all day and twice as many on Sundays.

Posted by: It's exhausting work but at least I set my own hours at April 06, 2024 12:34 PM (pFhjh)

122
what will you tell your daughter if Trump wins she is raped and forced to carry the pregnancy to term?

Before or after I dispel the rapist to hell?

Posted by: Divide by Zero at April 06, 2024 12:35 PM (RKVpM)

123 You gotta' guess?
Posted by: BignJames

And assume. 😁 His life is not something I've paid attention to.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 06, 2024 12:36 PM (S5+ge)

124
Diddy’s Ex-bodyguard Claims His Secret Tapes Could Feature Politicians, Preachers, and Princes

Kamala Harris, mark my word.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at April 06, 2024 12:38 PM (RKVpM)

125 apparently it is officially autumn in Argentina

https://youtu.be/Y4tZVzaEn7Q?si=cs3M8Drjy4yvGMJI

Posted by: Kindltot at April 06, 2024 12:38 PM (D7oie)

126 Detransitioner Chloe Cole Warns Disney CEO Bob Iger during Shareholder Meeting That “Lawsuits Are Coming,” Blames Company for Her Body Being “Irreversibly Damaged”
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 06, 2024 12:34 PM (FVME7)

On one hand, seems an attenuated connection. On the other hand, fuck Disney.

Posted by: Disney deserves every bad thing it gets at April 06, 2024 12:39 PM (pFhjh)

127 We are the only nation In The World that has individual states, the rest have provinces or whatnot. The rest of the world uses the terms 'state' and 'nation' or 'country' interchangeably.
There's a reason we have states.
Posted by: Braenyard at April 06, 2024 12:32 PM (M+ScW

TBF, the Länder in Germany have some heft politically. Regions in Italy have power experessed through their Senate. The process of "devolution" in the UK I believe will set up something like states, if they ever resolve where England fits in. Australia and Canada are also federal states.

But yes, most countries are unitary, and this isn't taught enough. Amazingly, my crappy school district went over this in detail.

Trump's campaign and others better figure this out fast. You ache for abortion? You want abortion on demand because your real problem is with the concept of responsibility and abortion allows for a way out? Fine. Go cry to your state government. That needs to be the message.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at April 06, 2024 12:39 PM (LwmLF)

128 Unit 731:

A Japanese PM once suggested that he the POTUS (I think it was Clinton at the time) make joint visits to Pearl Harbor & Hiroshima.

My thought then & now was, that ticket is NOT balanced!

It would have to be Hiroshima & Harbin, China, where Unit 731 did it's research. NOW the ticket is balanced.

I can envision a Japanese leader making a ceremonial visit to Pearl, but NEVER to Harbin, I suspect.

Posted by: mnw at April 06, 2024 12:39 PM (NLIak)

129 Woke leftists American women are the worst humans in the world.
Posted by: polynikes at April 06, 2024 12:30 PM (AIm4E

Well, not quite. There are always cannibals, pedophiles, and actors.

But they are a particularly horrible kind of person. Really gross.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 06, 2024 12:40 PM (0FoWg)

130 Kimberley Johnson
@AuthorKimberley
So, @TheRock, what will you tell your daughter if Trump wins she is raped and forced to carry the pregnancy to term?
Will you say, "Well, honey, I just couldn't use my massive influence to endorse the only candidate who would have protected you,"?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 06, 2024 12:11 PM (FVM

Almost every prolifer in this country (Trump included) will concede on exceptions for rape, incest, and life of the mother. And how is getting an abortion "protecting" someone from getting raped in the first place? Unless the tissue of the unborn baby is saved and entered into evidence in a court case, abortion actually enables rapists. (Remember that 10-year-old driven across state lines to get an abortion and the evidence of the mom's boyfriend raping her was destroyed? How common do you suppose that is?)

Posted by: pookysgirl, dealing in not-so-hypotheticals at April 06, 2024 12:40 PM (dtlDP)

131 Where is Diddy?
Posted by: BignJames

Same place as J.Hoffa.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at April 06, 2024 12:42 PM (Fg/tA)

132 BIOWEAPONS AND I ARE THE SAME
Posted by: Unit 731 at April 06, 2024 12:20 PM (LwmLF)

Oh, no, you also involved yourself in human vivisection, recreation of battlefield wounds, simultaneous third degree burns and deep frostbite, unmatched tissue transplants, and experimental trauma surgery without anesthesia. Bioweapons were just one leg of the cruelty and utter depraved torture in the name of "military medical research"
Posted by: Kindltot at

Please God - shut it down!

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 06, 2024 12:42 PM (S5+ge)

133
Harbin, China

Is that the city that Japan dropped mice infected with bubonic plaque on the inhabitants?

Posted by: Divide by Zero at April 06, 2024 12:43 PM (RKVpM)

134 fair and balanced":

RCP tries harder to be that than any other political site in America. It's almost painful to watch it sometimes, because that means every prescient, persuasive article HAS TO BE immediately followed by a stupid one-- just to balance the ticket.

Posted by: mnw at April 06, 2024 12:34 PM (NLIak)

But they are what they advertise unlike Jonah Goldberg who I hated before it was cool to hate him, because he always had to balance his columns criticizing the Left with ' Republicans have done this too but....'

Posted by: polynikes at April 06, 2024 12:44 PM (AIm4E)

135 129 Woke leftists American women are the worst humans in the world.
Posted by: polynikes at April 06, 2024 12:30 PM (AIm4E

Well, not quite. There are always cannibals, pedophiles, and actors.

But they are a particularly horrible kind of person. Really gross.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 06, 2024 12:40 PM (0FoWg)

Whom the AWFLs support, enable, encourage and defend.

Posted by: It's a close call at April 06, 2024 12:44 PM (II3Gr)

136 Where is Diddy?
Posted by: BignJames

Same place as J.Hoffa.
Posted by: AZ

My guess was "cut and run", but this is a strong possibility too.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 06, 2024 12:46 PM (S5+ge)

137 Is that the city that Japan dropped mice infected with bubonic plaque on the inhabitants?

Yes, there was a massive outbreak of cavities and gum disease.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 06, 2024 12:46 PM (CsUN+)

138 And Kimberly will never acknowledge that Trump has , stupidly imo, indicated he would work with Congress to pass legislation that would have a reasonable compromise on abortion.

Posted by: polynikes at April 06, 2024 12:47 PM (AIm4E)

139 oke leftists American women are the worst humans in the world.
Posted by: polynikes at April 06, 2024 12:30 PM (AIm4E

Well, not quite. There are always cannibals, pedophiles, and actors.

But they are a particularly horrible kind of person. Really gross.

Nice inclusion of actors!

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 06, 2024 12:48 PM (S5+ge)

140 Diddy’s Ex-bodyguard Claims His Secret Tapes Could Feature Politicians, Preachers, and Princes
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Diddy did not kill himself

Posted by: Gonna Be Epstein'd at April 06, 2024 12:48 PM (2eY58)

141 >>> Trump's campaign and others better figure this out fast. You ache for abortion? You want abortion on demand because your real problem is with the concept of responsibility and abortion allows for a way out? Fine. Go cry to your state government. That needs to be the message.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33
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"It's a state's issue", is Trump's stock answer.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 06, 2024 12:48 PM (M+ScW)

142 Apparently Fanni Willis is being accused of wiretap in MD

It is more complicated than that, it has to do with recording an interstate call from MD, which is a two-person-acknowledgment required for recording state, but it was between lawyers who should have known better.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 06, 2024 12:50 PM (D7oie)

143 Kimberley Johnson
@AuthorKimberley
So, @TheRock, what will you tell your daughter if Trump wins she is raped and forced to carry the pregnancy to term?

The bait-and-switch on this is crazy. Something like 98% of abortions are pre-planned for birth control because their shitty Democrat Party boyfriend insists on bareback.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 06, 2024 12:50 PM (FD5dr)

144 Trump's staff say they are preparing 200 Executive Orders to be signed as soon as he takes office, many aimed directly at the administrative bureaucracy that undermined his first term.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 06, 2024 12:51 PM (e+bdz)

145 You want abortion on demand because your real problem is with the concept of responsibility and abortion allows for a way out? Fine. Go cry to your state government. That needs to be the message.

This is a good start. For myself, I argue that it is a federal issue because all people have the right to life. So I'll take the win and push for more.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 06, 2024 12:52 PM (S5+ge)

146 Trump's staff say they are preparing 200 Executive Orders to be signed as soon as he takes office, many aimed directly at the administrative bureaucracy that undermined his first term.

Please tell me flamethrowers are involved. Lie if you have to.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 06, 2024 12:52 PM (CsUN+)

147 144 Trump's staff say they are preparing 200 Executive Orders to be signed as soon as he takes office, many aimed directly at the administrative bureaucracy that undermined his first term.

Posted by: Huck Follywood
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Trump wins, their goose is cooked. They're going to fight like hell to keep him out.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 06, 2024 12:53 PM (M+ScW)

148 Pretty good article at the Federalist about the emphasis the new RNC leadership is putting on election integrity. Quite a change having the RNC fighting for us instead of against us for a change.

>>RNC Cleans House To Get Everybody On The Same Page About Election Integrity

https://tinyurl.com/y4xf94kp

Posted by: JackStraw at April 06, 2024 12:53 PM (LkLld)

149 111 Kimberley Johnson
@AuthorKimberley
So, @TheRock, what will you tell your daughter if Trump wins she is raped and forced to carry the pregnancy to term?

As already said above better than I could, what a fundamental stupid question.
Posted by: Diogenes at April 06, 2024 12:31 PM (W/lyH)

You mean, under Trump she might not be pressured to kill an innocent baby for what the baby's sperm donor did? Because being party to the murder of an innocent person helps a woman recover from rape?

Posted by: Emmie at April 06, 2024 12:53 PM (Sf2cq)

150 Unit 731 was where they practiced vivsection on living prisoners

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 06, 2024 12:54 PM (yeEu9)

151 And Kimberly will never acknowledge that Trump has , stupidly imo, indicated he would work with Congress to pass legislation that would have a reasonable compromise on abortion.
Posted by: polynikes at April 06, 2024 12:47 PM (AIm4E)

Trump should stay the heck away from the abortion topic. He gets huge kudos for appointing the judges who voted to overturn Roe. It’s now a state issue where it always belonged. There should not be federal legislation. If he was running for governor of some state sure…. But not a federal position. I’ve always been and always will be pro-life and it’ll impact how I vote in state races

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at April 06, 2024 12:54 PM (gZ3KO)

152 >>RNC Cleans House To Get Everybody On The Same Page About Election Integrity
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A precursor to what the Executive Branch will see

Posted by: Huck Follywood at April 06, 2024 12:55 PM (pcpun)

153 https://allthatsinteresting.com/unit-731

I used to have a bookmark, an interview with a Japanese soldier stationed there. Crimes against humanity for sure.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at April 06, 2024 12:56 PM (yeEu9)

154 >>RNC Cleans House To Get Everybody On The Same Page About Election Integrity

Very nice.

If those currently holding positions of authority in these organizations don’t think it is feasible that there was election fraud in 2020, they should be removed from their position and replaced with someone serious. That is what just happened when Ronna McDaniel was replaced with Michael Whatley at the RNC. This is how we win in November and how we keep winning in the future.

Posted by: Archimedes at April 06, 2024 12:57 PM (CsUN+)

155 I have assumed the blackmail of many elites has been happening for decades, I think that's what Epstein Island was all about.

Posted by: Skip at April 06, 2024 12:57 PM (fwDg9)

156 Unit 731 was where they practiced vivisection without anesthesia on living prisoners

FIFY

Posted by: Archimedes at April 06, 2024 12:58 PM (CsUN+)

157 Posted by: LinusVanPelt at April 06, 2024 12:54 PM (gZ3KO)

I agree but people have been telling Trump , incorrectly imo, that abortion will be #1 issue and could be what the election turns on . He always tries to play the game instead of just staying on message.

Posted by: polynikes at April 06, 2024 12:59 PM (AIm4E)

158 Just read the Cannon piece.
Dang!

Posted by: Diogenes at April 06, 2024 01:01 PM (W/lyH)

159 "It's a state's issue", is Trump's stock answer.
Posted by: Braenyard
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I dont think though its enough. If Democrats promise to federalize abortion access (and Republicans in Congress try and pass abortion bills making it illegal on a federal level) So both sides think the issue is "too important" to leave to individual states.

Nobody really cares about state's rights anymore. Its just about winning.

Posted by: Blago at April 06, 2024 01:03 PM (wMRY8)

160 Kimberley Johnson
@AuthorKimberley
So, @TheRock, what will you tell your daughter if Trump wins she is raped and forced to carry the pregnancy to term?
Will you say, "Well, honey, I just couldn't use my massive influence to endorse the only candidate who would have protected you,"?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 06, 2024 12:11 PM (FVME7)

Ok, this Twitter post is irritating me. I despise these disingenuous types of challenges.

Anyway, which candidate is importing thousands of rapists that are a threat to everyone's daughters? Or allowing rapists to be released instead of imprisoned? Or allowing sexual assaulters into women-only spaces? Biden is doing the opposite of protecting women.

Posted by: Emmie at April 06, 2024 01:04 PM (Sf2cq)

161 For an unimportant issue abortion sure seems to be getting a workout here today.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 06, 2024 01:04 PM (LkLld)

162 Wife insists Diddy is a dead man because he ran the same op as Epstein.

Posted by: Jamaica at April 06, 2024 01:06 PM (IG7T0)

163 Abortion is no longer a federal issue. It is a state issue.

Period.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 06, 2024 01:08 PM (d3Tz9)

164 I'm sick of hearing about abortion. This is only a big issue because of the wickedness of our culture.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at April 06, 2024 01:08 PM (w6EFb)

165 Hey now. Slow your roll, chief. I'm pretty down with bareback. Infanticide, not so much.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 06, 2024 01:08 PM (0FoWg)

166 One more retort to the stupid Twitter post:

Please name one place in the US where a rape victim cannot obtain an abortion if she wants it. I'll wait.

Or does the right to abort after a rape only count if you can force a doctor to perform an abortion in violation of his/her conscience?

Posted by: Emmie at April 06, 2024 01:08 PM (Sf2cq)

167 151
'Trump should stay the heck away from the abortion topic. ... It’s now a state issue where it always belonged.'

I disagree. When the abortion topic is inevitably put in Trump's face, over and over again, he should say that bitterly divisive problems should be handled at the state level.
Indeed, the only way people in this country can possibly get along is if it is done that way.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 06, 2024 01:10 PM (roH4R)

168 I saw the video of her being arrested at the hague. I suspect she would have been having less fun in Turkey

https://tinyurl.com/53d7us38
Posted by: Kindltot at April 06, 2024 12:00 PM (D7oie)

Pretty good rack, butter face.

I denounce myself.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at April 06, 2024 01:10 PM (iODuv)

169 A fanny probe? I just LOVE a good fanny probe!

Posted by: Pete Bootyboot at April 06, 2024 01:11 PM (dg+HA)

170 Archy

See what I mean about how to balance the Hiroshima ticket? Of COURSE Japanese leaders would prefer to apologize for Pearl Harbor!

From what I've read,* no-one was ever prosecuted for Unit 731's crimes. The Allies agreed not to prosecute, in return for access to 731's (worthless) medical experimentation and research.

Some of the Unit 731 doctors apparently went on to post-war careers at Japanese pharma companies.

*Not an expert, & Unit 731 is not a special interest of mine. So... fwiw.

Posted by: mnw at April 06, 2024 01:11 PM (NLIak)

171 I still can only hope some day if the Covid scam ever breaks wide open
========================
COVID has been memory holed, with extreme prejudice. Have you noticed that among your acquaintances that the most mask-vaxis give you a look if COVID is ever mentioned? Yeah, "We forgot all about that. And YOU should too."
I won't forget having my job threatened, having to go to HR to get an exemption, watching teachers force toddlers to wear a mask and alllll the other B.S. they inflicted on us. All to steal an election. Nope, I haven't forgotten.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at April 06, 2024 01:11 PM (lPeS+)

172 Unit 731 was where they practiced vivisection without anesthesia on living prisoners

And if one thinks this is horrific and thinks that abortion is ok, please explain the difference.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 06, 2024 01:11 PM (S5+ge)

173 Abortion is no longer a federal issue. It is a state issue.

Period.
Posted by: nurse ratched
___

But then Republicans like Lindsey Graham try and get federal abortion bills passed (to pretend like he's a conservative in a ruby red state) so then that argument goes out the window.

Posted by: Blago at April 06, 2024 01:11 PM (wMRY8)

174 Anyway, which candidate is importing thousands of rapists that are a threat to everyone's daughters? Or allowing rapists to be released instead of imprisoned? Or allowing sexual assaulters into women-only spaces? Biden is doing the opposite of protecting women.

Posted by: Emmie at April 06, 2024 01:04 PM (Sf2cq)

That case of the 10-year-old I mentioned earlier? The rapist was illegal, the mom was probably too, and who knows about the poor girl. Not sure if the rapist was ever prosecuted OR deported. And the Medical Experts (TM) helped cover the whole thing up.

Posted by: pookysgirl, dealing in not-so-hypotheticals at April 06, 2024 01:11 PM (dtlDP)

175 [i}The state of Massachusetts, citing Kennedy's excessive speed on the bridge, suspended his license for six months. That was it."

If he had done that in SC he would have went jail for 25 years and had his license permanently revoked,

Posted by: vic at April 06, 2024 01:12 PM (A5THL)

176 Why might I think they drove her a block away and let her out of that bus?

Posted by: Skip at April 06, 2024 01:13 PM (fwDg9)

177 For an unimportant issue abortion sure seems to be getting a workout here today.

Posted by: JackStraw
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The Democrats know it's an important issue, Republicans just keep hoping it goes away.

It's not going anywhere, it's had a nearly 100% success rate for Democrats. The #1 issue you will hear from Dems this election cycle will be abortion.

It worked in 2022 and its worked in subsequent special elections.

Yes, in a handful of states that are already super red, the pro-life side sometimes does well, but that's not what we need to get control of the US.

Posted by: Blago at April 06, 2024 01:14 PM (wMRY8)

178 But then Republicans like Lindsey Graham try and get federal abortion bills passed (to pretend like he's a conservative in a ruby red state) so then that argument goes out the window.

Posted by: Blago at April 06, 2024 01:11 PM (wMRY

Lindsey Graham doesn't speak for me or the vast percentage of the base. That's why is ignorant ploy was abandoned quickly.

Posted by: polynikes at April 06, 2024 01:15 PM (AIm4E)

179 Is abortion as significant an issue as the media, right or left, claims?

Posted by: davidt at April 06, 2024 01:15 PM (SYTee)

180 173
'that argument goes out the window'

To you maybe. It takes more than Miss Lindsey's sabotage to move me from a fundamental principle.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 06, 2024 01:15 PM (roH4R)

181 Who said
We have to change our history
We have to change our traditions ?

Posted by: kactus at April 06, 2024 01:16 PM (kA/Ee)

182 Leave me out of your babykiller "we," please.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 06, 2024 01:16 PM (0FoWg)

183 Posted by: Blago at April 06, 2024 01:14 PM (wMRY

That your feels talking.

Posted by: polynikes at April 06, 2024 01:17 PM (AIm4E)

184 Abortion is no longer a federal issue. It is a state issue.

Then so is murder. Yes, this is the issue that I, who avoids conflict with dedication, will fight. The slavery issue of our time.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 06, 2024 01:18 PM (S5+ge)

185 Is abortion as significant an issue as the media, right or left, claims?
Posted by: davidt
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Before Roe vs Wade, it wasn't a significant issue. Now it is thanks to the SC.

Republicans could virtue signal they were pro-life and it didn't scare women because abortions weren't going anywhere.

Abortion is of course not a constitutional right, but I'm not going to pretend that outlawing abortion in almost all cases is politically popular.

Posted by: Blago at April 06, 2024 01:19 PM (wMRY8)

186 179

It doesn't rank very highly on lists of voters' top concerns this year.

However, AZ has a "protect the right to abortion" initiative on the November ballot-- as do several other states.

In the past, such initiatives have boosted DEM turnout among women voters.

Posted by: mnw at April 06, 2024 01:19 PM (NLIak)

187 Is abortion as significant an issue as the media, right or left, claims?
Posted by: davidt

I think it is a significant issue (pro-abortion) to a certain minority of people, primarily on the Left, and the rest of the Democrat Left amplifies it.
It is allegedly a "rights" issue, but that also denies the aspect of "right to life" (liberty and the pursuit of happiness, etc).
There is also a minority of people that are militantly anti - abortion, and this again is amplified by, primarily, the political Right.
I, personally am very anti-abortion, but this is, again, become (properly) a states rights issue, to be considered by the various state governments. The Federal Constitution, contrary to the previous Supreme Court decision, is totally silent on this issue.

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at April 06, 2024 01:19 PM (tjZg/)

188
If I was a young female I would think that being able to walk the streets without someone punching me in the face would be a more important issue then the rarity of being unable to stop conception.

The number of women in NYC is now up to forty-something who have been punched. I have yet to see a woman of color, it's just the young white women. Who vote for the candidates who turn a blind eye to the issue. Because junkie St George Floyd or some shit.

Wake the hell up. The voice of experience is shouting in your ear.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at April 06, 2024 01:20 PM (RKVpM)

189 >>It worked in 2022 and its worked in subsequent special elections.

Republican won control of the House in 2022. They would have done better in the Senate if Mitch hadn't worked to sabotage Republican candidates. And let's not forget there were a number of questionable outcomes including in Arizona.

The country is pretty evenly split on the abortion issue. It just gets more airtime on the left for obvious reasons.

One big thing that is not being factored into the election this year is that we now have a RNC that is actually fighting for the single biggest issue, election integrity. If we had that kind of leadership in 2020 and 2022 Trump would be finishing his 2nd term right now and Congress and even some statehouse would look a lot different.

The border, the economy, inflation, wars, crime are all bigger issues with the vast majority of people than abortion right now.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 06, 2024 01:22 PM (LkLld)

190 It doesn't rank very highly on lists of voters' top concerns this year.

However, AZ has a "protect the right to abortion" initiative on the November ballot-- as do several other states.

In the past, such initiatives have boosted DEM turnout among women voters.
Posted by: mnw
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My guess is AZ goes blue over it. It will pass overwhelmingly, probably by 20 points. So what then? Is the abortion issue dropped forever once a state has decided? I hope so.

Posted by: Blago at April 06, 2024 01:23 PM (wMRY8)

191
Yes, in a handful of states that are already super red, the pro-life side sometimes does well, but that's not what we need to get control of the US.

In for a penny, in for a pound. I am a strong proponent of a "hands off" approach to gvt. However, legal murder is not a foundation that a moral, legitimate gvt can build on. So I disagree.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 06, 2024 01:23 PM (S5+ge)

192 GARDEN THREAD IS BLOOMING

Posted by: Skip at April 06, 2024 01:24 PM (fwDg9)

193 Good discussion. Thanks everyone. Thanks KT.

Posted by: AmericanKestrel at April 06, 2024 01:26 PM (S5+ge)

194 Roe v Wade was one of the worst decisions ever issued by the SC. The legal arguments in the case were all BS.

Posted by: vic at April 06, 2024 01:27 PM (A5THL)

195 The country is pretty evenly split on the abortion issue. It just gets more airtime on the left for obvious reasons.
Posted by: JackStraw
___

I dont believe it is. Ohio for instance is a pretty red state, went fro Trump by nearly 10 points.
a pro choice bill recently passed overwhelmingly. Something like 17% to make it part of their constitution.

Same with Kansas that's even redder.

I think most Americans understand abortion is evil, the sticking point is whether that needs to be the law. Outlawing abortion is not popular. That doesnt though mean people are pro abortion.

Posted by: Blago at April 06, 2024 01:27 PM (wMRY8)

196 113 Diddy’s Ex-bodyguard Claims His Secret Tapes Could Feature Politicians, Preachers, and Princes
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at April 06, 2024 12:31 PM (FVME7)

*Could*

Posted by: m at April 06, 2024 01:30 PM (o3SCB)

197 Republicans could virtue signal they were pro-life and it didn't scare women because abortions weren't going anywhere.

Posted by: Blago at April 06, 2024 01:19 PM (wMRY

This statement makes no sense. Pro-life "virtue signaling" doesn't scare pro-life Americans except for maybe the fact that it remains signaling and seldom translates into action we can support.

But everything, real or imagined, scares pro-death people because no matter what actually happens, there is a constant urging to panic over abortion rights being taken away. They are constantly fretting about any tiny thing that might interfere with the abortion industry's opportunities to exploit women. They go so far as to insist that everyone must participate in abortion in some way or another, whether it's a medical person being forced to help perform an abortion or the rest of us being forced to pay for them. And the entire marketing plan is based on getting women to undergo abortion when they don't want one. And if all of those things, plus more, aren't happening, then REEEEEE Our rights are under attack!

Posted by: Emmie at April 06, 2024 01:30 PM (Sf2cq)

198 You can tell Scotland has given up as a nation when it outsources their political leadership offshore.

I'm looking at you too, UK and Ireland.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at April 06, 2024 11:39 AM

* smiles *

Posted by: Barry Soetoro at April 06, 2024 01:32 PM (a3Q+t)

199 Pretty good rack, butter face.

I denounce myself.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at April 06, 2024 01:10 PM (iODuv)

That smirk.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at April 06, 2024 01:36 PM (w6EFb)

200 But then Republicans like Lindsey Graham try and get federal abortion bills passed (to pretend like he's a conservative in a ruby red state) so then that argument goes out the window.

Posted by: Blago at April 06, 2024 01:11 PM (wMRY

Ruby red? We're the bluest of the red states.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at April 06, 2024 01:38 PM (w6EFb)

201 Review Wade bad?
Wait until a couple Marxists get installed if Trump does beat the fraud.

Posted by: Skip at April 06, 2024 01:48 PM (fwDg9)

202 161 For an unimportant issue abortion sure seems to be getting a workout here today.

Posted by: JackStraw
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Typical of Democrat media driven hysteria.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 06, 2024 01:56 PM (M+ScW)

203 When I worked in primary care, there was only a couple times in over 25 years I was asked to send records or referrals for a patient to have an abortion. I simply said to the doctor, I am not going to participate in that portion of this patient's care, please ask another staff member to do this.

I stood my ground in Seattle. No one made a fuss. It is not my responsibility to lecture or condemn or scream "murderer." I went home and prayed for the woman and her unborn child and tried as best I could to treat her with kindness when we saw her again.

Posted by: nurse ratched at April 06, 2024 01:59 PM (YfcgY)

204 >>> pro abortion.

Posted by: Blago
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You need to understand, neither Ohio nor Kansas are Red.

Posted by: Braenyard at April 06, 2024 02:00 PM (M+ScW)

205 Is abortion as significant an issue as the media, right or left, claims?
Posted by: davidt
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Probably. Because they have made it a Federal issue.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 06, 2024 02:05 PM (XeU6L)

206 Ruby red? We're the bluest of the red states.
Posted by: Miley
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[smiles]

Posted by: Swarm of locusts at April 06, 2024 02:07 PM (XeU6L)

207 205 Is abortion as significant an issue as the media, right or left, claims?
Posted by: davidt
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Probably. Because they have made it a Federal issue.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 06, 2024 02:05 PM (XeU6L)

It is because an actual solution, that would shut up just about everyone because it would piss off both extremes... ie... abortion in first trimester with exceptions for health of Mom, Rape, and Incest.... would take that issue right out of the hands of those who gain power from that issue.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 06, 2024 02:15 PM (xaFKb)

208 “It is clear to me now,” added [Pat] Caddell, “that this war … and it’s going to be a war. President Trump is going to find himself in a
constant war with the mainstream media over the issue of who rules America.”

Asked Caddell, rhetorically, “Do the American people have a right to the sovereignty of their own country, or does the political
class have a God-given, inherent right to reign over the rest of us, I suppose?”
_Breitbart 12/19/16

Posted by: Braenyard at April 06, 2024 02:44 PM (M+ScW)

209 The never-Trumpers are never going to surrender the myth that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the hacking of Hillary
Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta and the Democratic National Committee to defeat Clinton and elect Donald Trump.
_Pat Buchanan 12/2016

Posted by: Braenyard at April 06, 2024 02:50 PM (M+ScW)

210 137 Is that the city that Japan dropped mice infected with bubonic plaque on the inhabitants?

Yes, there was a massive outbreak of cavities and gum disease.
Posted by: Archimedes at April 06, 2024 12:46 PM (CsUN+)

; )

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