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Gun Thread: Third Edition of March Edition!
A: The Gun Thread do! Last week I promised all y'all we'd take a peek at the four elements of fundamentals, and by gum, we're going to do it! Don't you try and stop me! So all you groovy cats gather 'round and have a listen to your ol' pal Weasel. Shooting is easy. Shooting well, and perhaps even hitting the target isn't that much harder. Sure, you have to practice a little, but since you're going to the range anyway why not improve in the process? I have long talked about having a plan when going to the range, and focusing first on whatever was giving you problems the last time. For convenience sake, I tend to lump all fundamentals into four groups; stance, grip mechanics, sight alignment and trigger pull/squeeze/pinch/press/whatever. After that, you should have some sort of sensible plan for how you are going to spend your precious range time and ammunition. It doesn't need to be some big elaborate PowerPoint presentation, just get a little notebook and keep track of each range session, what you did, and how well you did it. Next time you're shooting go back and look at your notes! Devise some sort of simple drill for the very end of the range day, say 15 rounds for score, and keep track of your progress. Here is the notebook I recommend for shooting notes.
Our pal Dr. Fred is en fuego at the range-o! I sure would be happy with that group. Guess what he was doing - he was practicing fundamentals!
Funny that you wrote what you did last night, since I was at the range yesterday. It was about 35 degrees with 15 to 20 MPH gusty crosswinds and intermittent snow showers here in Western PA. So, for an old fart like me and as rusty as I am, I was fairly pleased with these 10 rounds at 50 yards through a Larry Kelly Edition .22 Magnaport barrel on my Encore topped with a 1X Crimson Trace red dot. I was concentrating on breathing and trying to touch off the trigger at the same point during each exhalation.Well I'd guess ol' Doc Fred is probably pretty effective in collecting delinquent patient accounts! Very nice work, Dr. F and thanks for sending this in!
Walther P38
Shooting Steel
Our pal Hickok45 with considerations for shooting steel. Steel is fun to shoot, just take sensible precautions.
History of the Helicopter This video is really pretty good!
Wacky Hijinks
Installing a land line?
Looks like fun
Musical Interlude
Here is Joe Bonamassa with a ZZ Top cover Just Got Paid. A fave in the WeaselMobile!
Gun Basics 101
New video from the She Equips Herself gal! This week's video is the first in a series in choosing a carry gun!.
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Good evening everyone
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2024 07:00 PM (fwDg9)
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st!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 24, 2024 07:00 PM (Wnv9h)
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Good evening horde!
Posted by: TRex at March 24, 2024 07:00 PM (IQ6Gq)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 24, 2024 07:01 PM (Wnv9h)
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YAY!
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 07:03 PM (69JzL)
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Once shooting my Brown Bess my co- worker had a ball he just fired come back at him like a bowling ball stopping a few feet from him. Doubt the velocity would have even bruised him if it got that far.
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2024 07:03 PM (fwDg9)
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Here. Barely. I is ill.
Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2024 07:04 PM (Kiwh3)
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The shooting correction chart is never not funny.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 24, 2024 07:04 PM (Wnv9h)
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Boing!
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 07:04 PM (NxC5+)
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No, I haven't been to the range. I missed last Sunday, no outing today and obviously no outing next Sunday. I am sad.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 24, 2024 07:04 PM (t/2Uw)
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Here. Barely. I is ill.
Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2024 07:04 PM
Been ill down here, too. How much global warmening did you guys get up there?
Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2024 07:04 PM
Been ill down here, too. How much global warmening did you guys get up there?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 24, 2024 07:05 PM (Wnv9h)
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How ... did it get to be the third edition of March?
Next week is Easter, man. Whew.
Also, since this weekend was Purim...
Can you go to the range as a mitzvah? I would think so.
Next week is Easter, man. Whew.
Also, since this weekend was Purim...
Can you go to the range as a mitzvah? I would think so.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 07:05 PM (69JzL)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 24, 2024 07:06 PM (di6C2)
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searching "aoshq" on google no longer yields a link to here. Just a wiki article.
Posted by: steven at March 24, 2024 07:06 PM (SwBkm)
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Did I say third edition of March? It's the fourth!!
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 07:07 PM (JwHpX)
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Ill? Oy vey.
The pine trees are having orgies down here, and it's killing me. I started the day with dry eye in one eye.
Fortunately, I can shoot with either eye, if accosted.
The pine trees are having orgies down here, and it's killing me. I started the day with dry eye in one eye.
Fortunately, I can shoot with either eye, if accosted.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 07:07 PM (69JzL)
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That is a super sweet notebook.
Posted by: bluebell at March 24, 2024 07:07 PM (ZtvnO)
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Did I say third edition of March? It's the fourth!!
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 07:07 PM
We forgot it...you were rolling.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 07:07 PM
We forgot it...you were rolling.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 24, 2024 07:08 PM (Wnv9h)
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Hello, Weasel and everyone!
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 07:08 PM (yRXSd)
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In the first video, the instructor reviews two classic stances, the Weaver and the Isosceles.
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I was told there'd be no math.
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I was told there'd be no math.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 24, 2024 07:08 PM (2yu8s)
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Howdy Weasel!
Howdy Morons!
Going to go back up and watch the shooting steel video. Three of my four kids must be suffering from cabin fever and recently said they want to go out to the farm and shoot when it gets a bit warmer. Time for them to ring some steel!
Howdy Morons!
Going to go back up and watch the shooting steel video. Three of my four kids must be suffering from cabin fever and recently said they want to go out to the farm and shoot when it gets a bit warmer. Time for them to ring some steel!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 24, 2024 07:09 PM (HlyYF)
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I can tell you all day long to shoot with your left foot in a bucket and it's not going to do you a bit of good until you go out there and practice the method and see if it works for you.
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Ah, yes. The Muldoon-Nantucket method.
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Ah, yes. The Muldoon-Nantucket method.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 24, 2024 07:09 PM (2yu8s)
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Does anyone have any experience with the new Ruger LC carbine in .45ACP? Looking to buy one but now sure if I want to pull the trigger on $1,000.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at March 24, 2024 07:10 PM (QNSds)
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14” up here.
It would have been a great weekend to work on a “project “ let’s call it.
It would have been a great weekend to work on a “project “ let’s call it.
Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2024 07:11 PM (Kiwh3)
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14 searching "aoshq" on google no longer yields a link to here. Just a wiki article.
Posted by: steven at March 24, 2024 07:06 PM
The lessons of Orwell have now completely sunk in at Google.
"aoshq" and many of the previous definitions of "bloodbath" have now had their history erased.
Posted by: steven at March 24, 2024 07:06 PM
The lessons of Orwell have now completely sunk in at Google.
"aoshq" and many of the previous definitions of "bloodbath" have now had their history erased.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 24, 2024 07:11 PM (HlyYF)
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Ah, yes. The Muldoon-Nantucket method.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 24, 2024 07:09 PM
I heard he got kicked off the range for that.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 24, 2024 07:09 PM
I heard he got kicked off the range for that.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 24, 2024 07:11 PM (Wnv9h)
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14” up here.
It would have been a great weekend to work on a “project “ let’s call it.
Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2024 07:11 PM
Happy Spring!
It would have been a great weekend to work on a “project “ let’s call it.
Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2024 07:11 PM
Happy Spring!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 24, 2024 07:12 PM (Wnv9h)
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Good evening gub threaders and all the ships at sea.
I have not shot nor purchased gub items in this past week. Well, we did get some targets. That counts, right?
I have not shot nor purchased gub items in this past week. Well, we did get some targets. That counts, right?
Posted by: blaster at March 24, 2024 07:13 PM (IFNME)
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Good evening, gunthusiasts.
Posted by: Ben Had at March 24, 2024 07:14 PM (z5na9)
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Excellent, the gun thread is here! I see that there are some videos I will need to watch.
I am very excited about my pistol range trip this morning, because I finally found how to do recoil control.
I don't know how I missed the fundamentals of this skill. I thought recoil control was achieved as follows:
Step 1: Grip the pistol high. The support hand should grip very tightly.
Step 2: ??
Step 3: Recoil control achieved!
I practiced, I watched videos, but whenever I tried to increase my tempo, my shots were all over the map.
Finally saw a video by The Humble Marksman that clued me in to what I was not doing: Applying a push high on the backstrap with my shooting hand, and a push low on the front strap with both hands. I mean, duh, right? Apply force and firmness to counter the rotation caused by the recoil.
It worked! It worked on a little 3.25" barrel pistol even more clearly than on my full-sized pistol. All of a sudden I could shoot fast and return to the aim point on the next shot, and make groups at high speed.
I'm not good at yet, of course, but now I have a path to getting good. I am thrilled.
I am very excited about my pistol range trip this morning, because I finally found how to do recoil control.
I don't know how I missed the fundamentals of this skill. I thought recoil control was achieved as follows:
Step 1: Grip the pistol high. The support hand should grip very tightly.
Step 2: ??
Step 3: Recoil control achieved!
I practiced, I watched videos, but whenever I tried to increase my tempo, my shots were all over the map.
Finally saw a video by The Humble Marksman that clued me in to what I was not doing: Applying a push high on the backstrap with my shooting hand, and a push low on the front strap with both hands. I mean, duh, right? Apply force and firmness to counter the rotation caused by the recoil.
It worked! It worked on a little 3.25" barrel pistol even more clearly than on my full-sized pistol. All of a sudden I could shoot fast and return to the aim point on the next shot, and make groups at high speed.
I'm not good at yet, of course, but now I have a path to getting good. I am thrilled.
Posted by: Splunge at March 24, 2024 07:14 PM (oBPoz)
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 07:16 PM (JwHpX)
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Circa 2011, the US Army taught the Weaver stance for M9 pistol qualification. Pistol qualification took place in full kit (armor, helmet, and all gear on). I thought it was easier than the M4 carbine qualification.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 07:16 PM (yRXSd)
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In the video, he had a fixed steel plate angled slightly upwards.
Isn't that wrong? He was getting some splatter back to the shooting position. I would think angled slightly upwards would increase the distance the bullet splatters can travel?
Isn't that wrong? He was getting some splatter back to the shooting position. I would think angled slightly upwards would increase the distance the bullet splatters can travel?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 24, 2024 07:17 PM (HlyYF)
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go to the range and decide which is the most comfortable and works best
And, something I find a lot of people don't consider: figure out what is most natural.
A lot of folks spend an awful lot of time and energy talking about stances and grips that are not very likely to happen in a gunfight. That's fine if you're just shooting for fun or competition. But if you carry, you need to be thinking of retention of the weapon, protecting your self from melee attacks, speed of deployment, etc. If you're sticking your bum out like the screen capture for that first video, you might get away with it - because your attacker is going to be laughing at you and calling you "gay." Maybe.
So, I advocate for figuring out which stance(s) provides you the best success in a fight (again, if you're shooting because you carry) and practice those.
(I use more of a martial arts stance, even if square on to my target.)
Actually, now that I think about it, I would love to hear from those who have shoot-n-scoot shooting as to what actually works for them.
And, something I find a lot of people don't consider: figure out what is most natural.
A lot of folks spend an awful lot of time and energy talking about stances and grips that are not very likely to happen in a gunfight. That's fine if you're just shooting for fun or competition. But if you carry, you need to be thinking of retention of the weapon, protecting your self from melee attacks, speed of deployment, etc. If you're sticking your bum out like the screen capture for that first video, you might get away with it - because your attacker is going to be laughing at you and calling you "gay." Maybe.
So, I advocate for figuring out which stance(s) provides you the best success in a fight (again, if you're shooting because you carry) and practice those.
(I use more of a martial arts stance, even if square on to my target.)
Actually, now that I think about it, I would love to hear from those who have shoot-n-scoot shooting as to what actually works for them.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 07:17 PM (69JzL)
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Dr. Fred, sweet Encore. 22 mag is much appreciated.
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 07:17 PM (NxC5+)
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Hi, bluebell!
I read “cookbook” instead of “notebook”, of course..
I have to say the DILIT makes a mean chicken soup.
I read “cookbook” instead of “notebook”, of course..
I have to say the DILIT makes a mean chicken soup.
Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2024 07:17 PM (Kiwh3)
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Has the Gun Thread Staff actually ever replied to a question addressed to them on the Thread?
Asking for a friend.
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2024 07:19 PM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: Puddleglum, drive by pew pew at March 24, 2024 07:19 PM (sAmhv)
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I got the SP5 and SP5K-PDW dirty from their last trips to the range, so I shot them again this weekend before cleaning them. I shot about 100 rounds trying to get my shot groups at 20 yards (max for my range) as tight as possible before attempting to increase my speed in taking my shots. Slow fire shot groups were pretty tight, but speeding up just a bit was enough to really spread my shot groups out a lot.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 07:20 PM (yRXSd)
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bluebell, just fyi, but your namesake Blue Bell Ice Cream still tastes incredible!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2024 07:20 PM (a3Q+t)
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Installing a land line?
For the burning times, you should be.
For the burning times, you should be.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 07:20 PM (69JzL)
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Evening All!!!
No range time, no gun related things at all since last week. Guess I will proceed to lurk.
No range time, no gun related things at all since last week. Guess I will proceed to lurk.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at March 24, 2024 07:21 PM (f0/sc)
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That Walther video? The one on the far left. I got one of those. Original ugly orange grips too. Serial # traced to a known block of pistols issued to the Wehrmark military police in 1938. Probably war booty. Locked barrel males it very acurate, and it'll still run about 150 rounds without a stoppage. I wouldn't even chamber round #2 when i acquired it, i had to to do a 100% frame disassembly and clean it all up with fresh oil and light grease where appropriate. It was full of nasty muddy gunk that was fouling the movement of the springs and mechanical parts.
Sweet little pocket pistol, but has the stopping power of a zip gun loaded with .22 shorts. I treat it like a locked door, it keeps good people from doing bad stuff. My .45 1911 is what keeps bad people from doing bad things. Maybe that's how the P38 got acquired in the first place?
Sweet little pocket pistol, but has the stopping power of a zip gun loaded with .22 shorts. I treat it like a locked door, it keeps good people from doing bad stuff. My .45 1911 is what keeps bad people from doing bad things. Maybe that's how the P38 got acquired in the first place?
Posted by: BifBewalski at March 24, 2024 07:21 PM (MsrgL)
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Nice shooting Dr. Fred! Almost one big hole...
I am still working with the Franklin Armory Binary Trigger in my PTR 91. Shot out to 320 yards on Friday and I started slow then picked up the pace from 150-200-320 yards. The first trigger pull is normal, then as I release the trigger I worked on keeping the sight alignment, sight picture, breathing etc. till the next round went bang. I was working on getting a cadence down of pull-bang-release-bang, etc, etc. Got plenty of double taps out to distance. Also, I was using the notch setting on the rear H&K drum sight which worked out quite well. Here is a link for anyone interested in one way to use that notch sight....https://tinyurl.com/5c9mdrmd.
I am still working with the Franklin Armory Binary Trigger in my PTR 91. Shot out to 320 yards on Friday and I started slow then picked up the pace from 150-200-320 yards. The first trigger pull is normal, then as I release the trigger I worked on keeping the sight alignment, sight picture, breathing etc. till the next round went bang. I was working on getting a cadence down of pull-bang-release-bang, etc, etc. Got plenty of double taps out to distance. Also, I was using the notch setting on the rear H&K drum sight which worked out quite well. Here is a link for anyone interested in one way to use that notch sight....https://tinyurl.com/5c9mdrmd.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 24, 2024 07:21 PM (R/m4+)
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 07:21 PM (NxC5+)
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Evenin, gun nuts. Nice shootin', Dr Fred.
I have not been to the range, but I can report that yesterday I carried my gun on my person in public for the very first time ever. This is a BFD to me. I went to the dump, the hardware store, and the grocery without incident.
I have not been to the range, but I can report that yesterday I carried my gun on my person in public for the very first time ever. This is a BFD to me. I went to the dump, the hardware store, and the grocery without incident.
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 07:22 PM (+Nu5p)
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That funny correction target reminds me...
Does anyone else have more problems putting follow-up shots near the center if they're actually thinking about it?
Does anyone else have more problems putting follow-up shots near the center if they're actually thinking about it?
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 07:22 PM (69JzL)
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But he had the keys.
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 07:22 PM (NxC5+)
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 24, 2024 07:22 PM (2yu8s)
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Oh, and nice shooting Dr Fred. Especially given the conditions.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 07:23 PM (69JzL)
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Yes.
“Slap hot iron to it “ works, but being the GT, you can’t disclose the actual temperature.
“Slap hot iron to it “ works, but being the GT, you can’t disclose the actual temperature.
Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2024 07:23 PM (Kiwh3)
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It would be interesting to have someone video the shooter during a scoot and shoot. I seem to do well when I don't think to much and just do. I'd like to see what I do different when I'm moving and shooting with muscle memory.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 24, 2024 07:23 PM (t/2Uw)
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Range report:
Yes! I was focusing on the fundamentals, especially sight alignment. I'm working more on getting aligned as quickly as I can after each shot. I have found that I recover better the more relaxed I am. The more I try to be rigid, the harder recoil is on my hands and wrists and elbows. The more I used my hands and wrists as shock absorbers and let the pistol recoil, I was able to get right back on target faster.
I can shoot a 1911 pretty darn well, if I do say so myself. I love the trigger and the heft. The recoil is strong, but firm, and it is easy for me to absorb the shock.
If I could carry a full sized 1911 I would.
Yes! I was focusing on the fundamentals, especially sight alignment. I'm working more on getting aligned as quickly as I can after each shot. I have found that I recover better the more relaxed I am. The more I try to be rigid, the harder recoil is on my hands and wrists and elbows. The more I used my hands and wrists as shock absorbers and let the pistol recoil, I was able to get right back on target faster.
I can shoot a 1911 pretty darn well, if I do say so myself. I love the trigger and the heft. The recoil is strong, but firm, and it is easy for me to absorb the shock.
If I could carry a full sized 1911 I would.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 24, 2024 07:23 PM (W2EWw)
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Never mind on the plate shooting angle question.
That was version 1.0 and he later explains his safety evolution on shooting steel.
That was version 1.0 and he later explains his safety evolution on shooting steel.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 24, 2024 07:23 PM (HlyYF)
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Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2024 07:19 PM (a3Q+t)
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Sure. All the time. If I missed something please send it again.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2024 07:19 PM (a3Q+t)
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Sure. All the time. If I missed something please send it again.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 07:24 PM (JwHpX)
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3rd Edition of March? What happened to the Editions of 03, 10, and 17 March, given this is 24 March?
And here I was sticking up for you in the Food Thread against CBD.
You task me sometimes, Weasel. You task me.
And here I was sticking up for you in the Food Thread against CBD.
You task me sometimes, Weasel. You task me.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2024 07:24 PM (a3Q+t)
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OT
Made it home with Smash from TX A&M. Bunch of really smart kids in the state science fair. Very humbling.
Good to be home.
OT
Made it home with Smash from TX A&M. Bunch of really smart kids in the state science fair. Very humbling.
Good to be home.
Posted by: BifBewalski at March 24, 2024 07:24 PM (MsrgL)
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Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2024 07:24 PM (a3Q+t)
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That was obviously an alertness test.
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That was obviously an alertness test.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 07:26 PM (JwHpX)
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41 Installing a land line?
For the burning times, you should be.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 07:20 PM (69JzL)
Meshtastic baby
For the burning times, you should be.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 07:20 PM (69JzL)
Meshtastic baby
Posted by: blaster at March 24, 2024 07:26 PM (IFNME)
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I have not been to the range, but I can report that yesterday I carried my gun on my person in public for the very first time ever. This is a BFD to me. I went to the dump, the hardware store, and the grocery without incident.
Posted by: screaming in digital
THATS AWESOME! Good for you! The very first time I carried outside my dwelling was also to the grocery store. It was pretty nerve racking. But. I did it!
Way to go, SiD!
I have not been to the range, but I can report that yesterday I carried my gun on my person in public for the very first time ever. This is a BFD to me. I went to the dump, the hardware store, and the grocery without incident.
Posted by: screaming in digital
THATS AWESOME! Good for you! The very first time I carried outside my dwelling was also to the grocery store. It was pretty nerve racking. But. I did it!
Way to go, SiD!
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 24, 2024 07:27 PM (W2EWw)
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Evenin', SiD. Scoob.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 24, 2024 07:27 PM (Wnv9h)
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I also ordered a CC fanny pack from the "Lena* Collection" and a modular holster to go with it. I'm doing a lot of trail running again, and I don't think the Liberty band is going to be very comfortable for that. (It was less uncomfortable to wear while driving than I expected, though.)
*Miculek, not Dunham
*Miculek, not Dunham
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 07:27 PM (+Nu5p)
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Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 07:22 PM (+Nu5p)
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Excellent, SiD! Way to go!
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Excellent, SiD! Way to go!
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 07:28 PM (JwHpX)
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*Forrest Gump wave at RMBS*
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 07:28 PM (+Nu5p)
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Sharon, a buddy of mine took a video of me at an IDPA stage. I’ll see if it’s useful. And discrete.
Congrats, SiD. It will come naturally the more you do it.
Congrats, SiD. It will come naturally the more you do it.
Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2024 07:28 PM (Kiwh3)
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I have not been to the range, but I can report that yesterday I carried my gun on my person in public for the very first time ever. This is a BFD to me. I went to the dump, the hardware store, and the grocery without incident.
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 07:22 PM
Outstanding!
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 07:22 PM
Outstanding!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 24, 2024 07:29 PM (Wnv9h)
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I heard he got kicked off the range for that.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 24, 2024 07:11 PM (Wnv9h)
I was initially told he kicked the bucket. So you know how leery I am of that stance.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 24, 2024 07:11 PM (Wnv9h)
I was initially told he kicked the bucket. So you know how leery I am of that stance.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 07:29 PM (69JzL)
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 07:30 PM (yRXSd)
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Congrats SiD. Was thinking about you today. Thought"I wish SiD lived closer so we could have gone to the range together today".
I know YOU would have gone unlike the stick in the mud MGC crew.
I know YOU would have gone unlike the stick in the mud MGC crew.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 24, 2024 07:30 PM (t/2Uw)
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In roughly 10 days sra blaster and I will be participating in Steel Shooting competition. It is indoors and the steel can be as little as 5 yards away.
Frangible ammo is mandatory.
If you are unfamiliar with it, the bullets are made of pressed copper powder and when they hit the steel they return to un-pressed copper powder. Leaves interesting red powder patterns around the targets on the ground.
Frangible ammo is mandatory.
If you are unfamiliar with it, the bullets are made of pressed copper powder and when they hit the steel they return to un-pressed copper powder. Leaves interesting red powder patterns around the targets on the ground.
Posted by: blaster at March 24, 2024 07:31 PM (IFNME)
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That was obviously an alertness test.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 07:26 PM
Or a test of politely ignoring, which both Mom and Counselor Troi both say I need some polish on.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 07:26 PM
Or a test of politely ignoring, which both Mom and Counselor Troi both say I need some polish on.
Posted by: Wesley Crusher at March 24, 2024 07:32 PM (a3Q+t)
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Posted by: blaster at March 24, 2024 07:31 PM (IFNME)
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Good luck and let us know how it goes!
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Good luck and let us know how it goes!
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 07:32 PM (JwHpX)
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RI Red, I was thinking maybe Corsicana?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 24, 2024 07:32 PM (t/2Uw)
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Good idea,Sharon!
Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2024 07:34 PM (Kiwh3)
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I just found this, for novices like me:
Top Five Shooting Stances
by CHRIS CHRISTIAN posted on December 10, 2021; NRA Shooting Illustrated
https://tinyurl.com/4d5j9rdu
BTW, there are two one-handed stances in the list but I was wondering about another one-handed stance that I recall from the odd 1960's [or earlier?] cop movies/TV shows in the revolver days -- it's like the Power Point one but leaning forward more and holding your other hand on your hip rather than on your chest.
Top Five Shooting Stances
by CHRIS CHRISTIAN posted on December 10, 2021; NRA Shooting Illustrated
https://tinyurl.com/4d5j9rdu
BTW, there are two one-handed stances in the list but I was wondering about another one-handed stance that I recall from the odd 1960's [or earlier?] cop movies/TV shows in the revolver days -- it's like the Power Point one but leaning forward more and holding your other hand on your hip rather than on your chest.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 24, 2024 07:34 PM (2yu8s)
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without incident.
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 07:22 PM (+Nu5p)
Hot diggity, SiD! It should develop into a nearly unnoticeable part of you over time. You'll eventually be aware of it, but not conscious of it most of the time.
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 07:22 PM (+Nu5p)
Hot diggity, SiD! It should develop into a nearly unnoticeable part of you over time. You'll eventually be aware of it, but not conscious of it most of the time.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 07:35 PM (69JzL)
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THATS AWESOME! Good for you! The very first time I carried outside my dwelling was also to the grocery store. It was pretty nerve racking. But. I did it!
Way to go, SiD!
Posted by: nurse ratched
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I put on an extra layer so I wouldn't be constantly checking and fidgeting. I almost freaked the hell out when the meat counter guy came over to make small talk.
Way to go, SiD!
Posted by: nurse ratched
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I put on an extra layer so I wouldn't be constantly checking and fidgeting. I almost freaked the hell out when the meat counter guy came over to make small talk.
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 07:35 PM (+Nu5p)
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Cabela's and Bass Pro Shops have the Sig P-365 (w/ or w/o safety) for $499.99 in the bargain cave.
They also have Blazer 115 and 124 gr. 9mm on sale for $11.99 box/50.
They also have Blazer 115 and 124 gr. 9mm on sale for $11.99 box/50.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2024 07:36 PM (a3Q+t)
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Don't know about you all, but I feel awkward trying isosceles. Maybe from many more years/round with rifle (.22+) to a SAW at the heavy end.
...and a few grenades. bricks...
...and a few grenades. bricks...
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 24, 2024 07:36 PM (cOq4q)
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I know YOU would have gone unlike the stick in the mud MGC crew.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 24, 2024 07:30 PM (t/2Uw)
Hey now!
We were taking children to the zoo!
Also, we kinda thought we were cramping your style, you always meet guys when you pull out your Kimber.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 24, 2024 07:30 PM (t/2Uw)
Hey now!
We were taking children to the zoo!
Also, we kinda thought we were cramping your style, you always meet guys when you pull out your Kimber.
Posted by: blaster at March 24, 2024 07:36 PM (IFNME)
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I finally invested in a shot timer and am finding that I worry about my split times rather than maintaining focus on Weasel-San's four fundamentals, and that blows everything all to hell. I do much better when I don't worry about time.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at March 24, 2024 07:37 PM (3rnQf)
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I almost freaked the hell out when the meat counter guy came over to make small talk.
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 07:35 PM
He was hitting on you.
Did you warn him about your Texan friends?
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 07:35 PM
He was hitting on you.
Did you warn him about your Texan friends?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2024 07:38 PM (a3Q+t)
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I have not been to the range, but I can report that yesterday I carried my gun on my person in public for the very first time ever. This is a BFD to me. I went to the dump, the hardware store, and the grocery without incident.
Posted by: screaming in digital
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Major congrats SID! It's on my list, but a tad further down the road. Now I'm focusing on cleaning my gun and putting it back together, so I can shoot snap caps.
Blaster/SRA - good luck on the competition. We want to hear all about it!
Posted by: screaming in digital
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Major congrats SID! It's on my list, but a tad further down the road. Now I'm focusing on cleaning my gun and putting it back together, so I can shoot snap caps.
Blaster/SRA - good luck on the competition. We want to hear all about it!
Posted by: Grateful at March 24, 2024 07:39 PM (IQ6Gq)
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I know YOU would have gone unlike the stick in the mud MGC crew.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice)
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{{{Sharon}}} I dunno, I've become a stick in the mud myself. But I would always meet you at the range if I could!
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice)
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{{{Sharon}}} I dunno, I've become a stick in the mud myself. But I would always meet you at the range if I could!
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 07:39 PM (+Nu5p)
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Range babe!
Posted by: Meat Counter Guy at March 24, 2024 07:39 PM (JwHpX)
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holding your other hand on your hip rather than on your chest.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 24, 2024 07:34 PM (2yu8s)
Sounds like it evolved from fencing? If your hand is on your chest, it might take a bullet shot at you or a knife thrust at you. On the rear hip gets it out of immediate combat, unless you need it.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 24, 2024 07:34 PM (2yu8s)
Sounds like it evolved from fencing? If your hand is on your chest, it might take a bullet shot at you or a knife thrust at you. On the rear hip gets it out of immediate combat, unless you need it.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 07:40 PM (69JzL)
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I should add, though, that on your chest makes it available to switch to 2-handed shooting more easily, and more in line with how you're taught to draw to two-handed.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 07:41 PM (69JzL)
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Did he start off saying, "Nice piece"??
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 24, 2024 07:41 PM (2yu8s)
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Didn't get range time; but, I did find the 500ar plates the BIL gave me on the visit to Santa Barbara.
Now to cobble together some stands. Oh yeah, that would be for the hobby thread.
Now to cobble together some stands. Oh yeah, that would be for the hobby thread.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 24, 2024 07:42 PM (JzerJ)
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Single hand drills, strong and weak, I keep my spare hand behind me and a narrow target body.
Excepting the Dunlop, of course.
Excepting the Dunlop, of course.
Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2024 07:43 PM (Kiwh3)
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70 In roughly 10 days sra blaster and I will be participating in Steel Shooting competition. It is indoors and the steel can be as little as 5 yards away.
Frangible ammo is mandatory.
Posted by: blaster at March 24, 2024 07:31 PM (IFNME)
Wonderful! There's a group near me that does Steel Challenge and says they are welcoming to Newbs. I want to take them up on it, once my skills are in a place where I'm comfortable taking it on. It sounds like a lot of fun.
Any recommendations about ammo (9mm)? I plugged "frangible" into AmmoSeek, and saw a lot of brands, and weights ranging from 65gr (!) to 100gr.
Frangible ammo is mandatory.
Posted by: blaster at March 24, 2024 07:31 PM (IFNME)
Wonderful! There's a group near me that does Steel Challenge and says they are welcoming to Newbs. I want to take them up on it, once my skills are in a place where I'm comfortable taking it on. It sounds like a lot of fun.
Any recommendations about ammo (9mm)? I plugged "frangible" into AmmoSeek, and saw a lot of brands, and weights ranging from 65gr (!) to 100gr.
Posted by: Splunge at March 24, 2024 07:43 PM (oBPoz)
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78 Cabela's and Bass Pro Shops have the Sig P-365 (w/ or w/o safety) for $499.99 in the bargain cave.
They also have Blazer 115 and 124 gr. 9mm on sale for $11.99 box/50.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2024 07:36 PM
Thanks for the heads up.
Both of those sales items would be nice to have. Alas, I can only afford one of them.
They also have Blazer 115 and 124 gr. 9mm on sale for $11.99 box/50.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2024 07:36 PM
Thanks for the heads up.
Both of those sales items would be nice to have. Alas, I can only afford one of them.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 24, 2024 07:44 PM (HlyYF)
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I got distracted from the excellent target work by Dr. Fred by the cool gun. Usually, I'm not a fan of optics on pistols, but darned if that doesn't just look right.
Thanks for the thread, once again, Weasel!
Thanks for the thread, once again, Weasel!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 24, 2024 07:44 PM (tT6L1)
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I put on an extra layer so I wouldn't be constantly checking and fidgeting.
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 07:35 PM (+Nu5p)
I have talked very discreetly to a couple of people when carrying, to see if anyone can tell. It's a morale booster when you know they can't. (And one was a retired police officer.)
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 07:35 PM (+Nu5p)
I have talked very discreetly to a couple of people when carrying, to see if anyone can tell. It's a morale booster when you know they can't. (And one was a retired police officer.)
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 07:45 PM (69JzL)
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Did he start off saying, "Nice piece"??
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 24, 2024 07:41 PM (2yu8s)
If he did, he might have just been talking about the meat.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 24, 2024 07:41 PM (2yu8s)
If he did, he might have just been talking about the meat.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 07:46 PM (69JzL)
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Kidding, Blaster. ❤️
Hopefully we'll make up for this in April.🤠.
Wish I lived close enough to observe the steel shoot.
Hopefully we'll make up for this in April.🤠.
Wish I lived close enough to observe the steel shoot.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 24, 2024 07:46 PM (t/2Uw)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 24, 2024 07:47 PM (tT6L1)
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Most people won’t see what they are not expecting to see. There is a geographical correlation with this phenomenon.
Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2024 07:48 PM (Kiwh3)
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Also Gun Show in April! Definitely going to get the green dot I want and check out holsters.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 24, 2024 07:48 PM (t/2Uw)
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Any recommendations about ammo (9mm)? I plugged "frangible" into AmmoSeek, and saw a lot of brands, and weights ranging from 65gr (!) to 100gr.
Posted by: Splunge at March 24, 2024 07:43 PM (oBPoz)
Our range sells Sinterfire. I think it was ~$40/box of 50 for 9mm which is somewhat more than double regular FMJ.
I ordered some Federal Ballisticlean from PSA for a few dollars less a box.
Posted by: Splunge at March 24, 2024 07:43 PM (oBPoz)
Our range sells Sinterfire. I think it was ~$40/box of 50 for 9mm which is somewhat more than double regular FMJ.
I ordered some Federal Ballisticlean from PSA for a few dollars less a box.
Posted by: blaster at March 24, 2024 07:48 PM (IFNME)
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Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2024 07:48 PM (Kiwh3)
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I was told there would be no geography.
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I was told there would be no geography.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 07:49 PM (JwHpX)
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Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 24, 2024 07:34 PM (2yu8s)
Back then, cops (and military) didn't have body armor. You were taught to aim with your side facing the target, not your chest. That gave the other guy the smallest possible silhouette to shoot at. Having your other hand on your hip would make you present your side to the target rather than your chest.
Back then, cops (and military) didn't have body armor. You were taught to aim with your side facing the target, not your chest. That gave the other guy the smallest possible silhouette to shoot at. Having your other hand on your hip would make you present your side to the target rather than your chest.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 07:49 PM (yRXSd)
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Most people won’t see what they are not expecting to see. There is a geographical correlation with this phenomenon.
Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2024 07:48 PM (Kiwh3)
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When I had my CCW in CA. Only one person in all the years I carried noticed.
In other words, very much what you said.
Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2024 07:48 PM (Kiwh3)
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When I had my CCW in CA. Only one person in all the years I carried noticed.
In other words, very much what you said.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 24, 2024 07:49 PM (tT6L1)
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Anyone else here reload 30-06 for the M1 Garand? If so, what powders do you favor? I've mostly only used the old standby, IMR-4895, but I'm down to my last pound and having trouble finding more of it, or H4895. I have a pound of IMR-4064 and can get Varget. I have plenty of H335 and can get more, I understand it's usable. Hodgdon also lists Garand loads with Win 748, and I have that in stock. Other than those, what do people like?
Last week I managed to score 1,000 large rifle primers for an obscene price. I could have had more, but "obscene price".
Last week I managed to score 1,000 large rifle primers for an obscene price. I could have had more, but "obscene price".
Posted by: BillyD at March 24, 2024 07:50 PM (F6Xpw)
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I have talked very discreetly to a couple of people when carrying, to see if anyone can tell. It's a morale booster when you know they can't. (And one was a retired police officer.)
Posted by: GWB
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I've been carrying around the house sometimes. If Mom notices it she WILL say something... she has not, yet. But I'm still very self-conscious. I want to be somewhere in between forgetting that I'm carrying, and constantly thinking, "holy shit, there's a loaded pistol under my shirt"
Posted by: GWB
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I've been carrying around the house sometimes. If Mom notices it she WILL say something... she has not, yet. But I'm still very self-conscious. I want to be somewhere in between forgetting that I'm carrying, and constantly thinking, "holy shit, there's a loaded pistol under my shirt"
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 07:50 PM (+Nu5p)
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 07:51 PM (JwHpX)
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Also the 100 grain is the most weight you can get for 9mm frangible, I think. You want as much as you can get, because you want to be able to knock targets over. Some of the flip down plates that would have gone down with 115 or 124 gn FMJ you had to make sure you hit on the edge with the 100 gn if you want it to go down.
Posted by: blaster at March 24, 2024 07:52 PM (IFNME)
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Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 07:50 PM (+Nu5p)
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Need us to rough her up?
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Need us to rough her up?
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 07:52 PM (JwHpX)
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Best wishes Blaster (and SRA Blaster). Go get 'em!
Posted by: TRex at March 24, 2024 07:54 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Evening, Weasel!
Let’s just call geography, extended spatial awareness.
That should sneak it by, right?
Let’s just call geography, extended spatial awareness.
That should sneak it by, right?
Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2024 07:54 PM (Kiwh3)
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As for range time, yes. I shot a silhouette match yesterday and did quite well, considering it was my second time out.
The unreal part of the match: 3 guys went 20 for 20, necessitating a shoot off.
The shoot off: 2' steel disc at 500 meters. Everyone takes a turn at the 2" disc and the winner is the person who doesn't miss. The guy who eventually won, won by default because the other guy ran out of ammo. The shoot-off went three rounds.
The unreal part of the match: 3 guys went 20 for 20, necessitating a shoot off.
The shoot off: 2' steel disc at 500 meters. Everyone takes a turn at the 2" disc and the winner is the person who doesn't miss. The guy who eventually won, won by default because the other guy ran out of ammo. The shoot-off went three rounds.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 24, 2024 07:55 PM (tT6L1)
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 07:55 PM (JwHpX)
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Any recommendations about ammo (9mm)? I plugged "frangible" into AmmoSeek, and saw a lot of brands, and weights ranging from 65gr (!) to 100gr.
Posted by: Splunge at March 24, 2024 07:43 PM (oBPoz)
I have shot Federal 9mm Luger Syntech Range 124 grain in pistols, full auto AR9, STEN and MK 760 with no issues.
Makes a light "ting" when it hits the steel plate rather then the louder "Bing!".
Bright red bullet...looks like lipstick.
Posted by: Splunge at March 24, 2024 07:43 PM (oBPoz)
I have shot Federal 9mm Luger Syntech Range 124 grain in pistols, full auto AR9, STEN and MK 760 with no issues.
Makes a light "ting" when it hits the steel plate rather then the louder "Bing!".
Bright red bullet...looks like lipstick.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 24, 2024 07:55 PM (R/m4+)
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I've been carrying around the house sometimes. If Mom notices it she WILL say something... she has not, yet. But I'm still very self-conscious. I want to be somewhere in between forgetting that I'm carrying, and constantly thinking, "holy shit, there's a loaded pistol under my shirt"
Posted by: screaming in digital
I'm not there yet. And I'm super self conscious at Mass. Ive found it's less stressful when I'm carrying off body.
Posted by: screaming in digital
I'm not there yet. And I'm super self conscious at Mass. Ive found it's less stressful when I'm carrying off body.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 24, 2024 07:56 PM (KDbie)
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The shoot off: 2' steel disc at 500 meters. Everyone takes a turn at the 2" disc
Posted by: blake
I missed the ' on the 2 the 1st time used and saw " on the 2nd usage and thought "Holy Mackerel, 2 inch steel at 1500 ft"! Now that is shooting.
Posted by: blake
I missed the ' on the 2 the 1st time used and saw " on the 2nd usage and thought "Holy Mackerel, 2 inch steel at 1500 ft"! Now that is shooting.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 24, 2024 07:57 PM (JzerJ)
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Congrats SiD! Won't be long before you'll be making youtube videos showing others how its done.
Posted by: TRex at March 24, 2024 07:58 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Posted by: Splunge at March 24, 2024 07:43 PM (oBPoz)
Whatever you end up getting, do test fire at least one magazine before competing with your ammo. You don't want to find out that your pistol and ammo don't like each other. Note that grain weights won't match "real" ammo because the copper powder won't be as dense as lead.
Whatever you end up getting, do test fire at least one magazine before competing with your ammo. You don't want to find out that your pistol and ammo don't like each other. Note that grain weights won't match "real" ammo because the copper powder won't be as dense as lead.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 07:58 PM (yRXSd)
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Truth in advertising:
A .41 Magnum bullet measures .410" in diameter.
A .44 Magnum bullet measures .429" in diameter.
Dirty Harry did ya wrong, and the Big Penguin-controlled media cartel has perpetuated it all these years.
The more you know ...
A .41 Magnum bullet measures .410" in diameter.
A .44 Magnum bullet measures .429" in diameter.
Dirty Harry did ya wrong, and the Big Penguin-controlled media cartel has perpetuated it all these years.
The more you know ...
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2024 07:58 PM (a3Q+t)
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Congrats SiD! Won't be long before you'll be making youtube videos showing others how its done.
Posted by: TRex
Definitely want to get a link to that video!
Posted by: TRex
Definitely want to get a link to that video!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 24, 2024 07:58 PM (JzerJ)
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He was hitting on you.
Did you warn him about your Texan friends?
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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Heh. I think he was just trying to sell me a t-bone. ;-)
Did you warn him about your Texan friends?
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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Heh. I think he was just trying to sell me a t-bone. ;-)
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 07:58 PM (+Nu5p)
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I missed the ' on the 2 the 1st time used and saw " on the 2nd usage and thought "Holy Mackerel, 2 inch steel at 1500 ft"! Now that is shooting.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 24, 2024 07:57 PM (JzerJ)
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Rats, editor, I need an editor! Yeah, 2 inch steel disc, not 2 feet. Sheesh.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 24, 2024 07:57 PM (JzerJ)
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Rats, editor, I need an editor! Yeah, 2 inch steel disc, not 2 feet. Sheesh.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 24, 2024 07:58 PM (tT6L1)
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I've also been thinking a LOT about when I would actually draw and shoot.
At home, no question.
In my car, if I cannot get away, yes.
In public, to save myself from imminent danger? Most likely, but less likely if I'm in a crowd.
In public to defend someone other than myself or my kids? Probably not.
At home, no question.
In my car, if I cannot get away, yes.
In public, to save myself from imminent danger? Most likely, but less likely if I'm in a crowd.
In public to defend someone other than myself or my kids? Probably not.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 24, 2024 07:59 PM (KDbie)
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Appreciate that P-38 video, might add eventually 3 different manufacturers made P-38, only remember Mauser as one of the Manufacturers.
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2024 08:00 PM (fwDg9)
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Makes a light "ting" when it hits the steel plate rather then the louder "Bing!".
Bright red bullet...looks like lipstick.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 24, 2024 07:55 PM (R/m4+)
Syntech has a "frangible lead core" but is not the same as frangible ammo.
Bright red bullet...looks like lipstick.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 24, 2024 07:55 PM (R/m4+)
Syntech has a "frangible lead core" but is not the same as frangible ammo.
Posted by: blaster at March 24, 2024 08:00 PM (IFNME)
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Ive found it's less stressful when I'm carrying off body.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 24, 2024 07:56 PM (KDbie)
Maybe because you can't feel it?
That's a big part, IMO, of why you make your carry comfortable - eventually you "forget it's there." Really, it's your body saying "Oh, I recognize this. It's supposed to be there."
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 24, 2024 07:56 PM (KDbie)
Maybe because you can't feel it?
That's a big part, IMO, of why you make your carry comfortable - eventually you "forget it's there." Really, it's your body saying "Oh, I recognize this. It's supposed to be there."
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 08:01 PM (69JzL)
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funny side note: I was looking at the rifle the top competitor was using and told him that's one good looking rifle. He replied, "Funny thing, most guys don't like the rifle."
To which the guy standing next to me said, "Oh, we all like the rifle just fine. We just don't like you shooting it!"
To which the guy standing next to me said, "Oh, we all like the rifle just fine. We just don't like you shooting it!"
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 24, 2024 08:01 PM (tT6L1)
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Yay s i d! good for you! gotta start somewhere!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at March 24, 2024 08:01 PM (PFYt9)
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To which the guy standing next to me said, "Oh, we all like the rifle just fine. We just don't like you shooting it!"
Posted by: blake
Now that is funny.
Truth hurts!
To which the guy standing next to me said, "Oh, we all like the rifle just fine. We just don't like you shooting it!"
Posted by: blake
Now that is funny.
Truth hurts!
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 24, 2024 08:02 PM (JzerJ)
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Duncanthrax, I know you are aware of 9 mm:
9 mm Kurtz (.380 ACP). .355
9 mm. .355
.357Sig. .355
.38 Spl. .358
.357 Magnum .358
And so it goes.
9 mm Kurtz (.380 ACP). .355
9 mm. .355
.357Sig. .355
.38 Spl. .358
.357 Magnum .358
And so it goes.
Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2024 08:04 PM (Kiwh3)
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Thanks for the great frangible ammo advice.
Hairyback Guy, I've seen that lipstick ammo, but my local Steel Challenge group definitely requires the fully frangible stuff.
Pretty sure that the last time I was at the range, someone on the adjacent range was firing at steel, and something was coming over the berm and peppering me when I was changing targets. I should take a picture of the stuff the next time I am there. It looked like little nose cones of a bullet. You're not supposed to use steel in those particular ranges.
Hairyback Guy, I've seen that lipstick ammo, but my local Steel Challenge group definitely requires the fully frangible stuff.
Pretty sure that the last time I was at the range, someone on the adjacent range was firing at steel, and something was coming over the berm and peppering me when I was changing targets. I should take a picture of the stuff the next time I am there. It looked like little nose cones of a bullet. You're not supposed to use steel in those particular ranges.
Posted by: Splunge at March 24, 2024 08:05 PM (oBPoz)
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That telephone installer video brought back memories. I used to be one of those guys.
Posted by: irright at March 24, 2024 08:06 PM (WlYv7)
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In public to defend someone other than myself or my kids? Probably not.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 24, 2024 07:59 PM (KDbie)
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One scenario I've had go through my mind: I'm at the grocery store, and hear guns go off in another part of the store, Am I going to play the hero and run toward the sound of gunfire? Nope. But, I will find some cover, hopefully, getting some people out of harms way then settle in and see if the shooter decides to come looking for trouble. That's if I'm in an area where there's no easy way to get out of the store without exposing myself.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 24, 2024 07:59 PM (KDbie)
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One scenario I've had go through my mind: I'm at the grocery store, and hear guns go off in another part of the store, Am I going to play the hero and run toward the sound of gunfire? Nope. But, I will find some cover, hopefully, getting some people out of harms way then settle in and see if the shooter decides to come looking for trouble. That's if I'm in an area where there's no easy way to get out of the store without exposing myself.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 24, 2024 08:06 PM (tT6L1)
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Say, my newly-reinflamed interest in shooting is really hard on my budget and my savings. Is that supposed to happen?
Posted by: Splunge at March 24, 2024 08:07 PM (oBPoz)
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I'm watching a Midsomer Murders and the [first!] murder weapon is a 1917 Lundberg semiauto that fires lightweight wooden bullets! Fewer than 1,000 produced.
The Firearms IMDB calls it a Luger even though the coroner [and the closed-captioning] clearly uses "Lundberg". [The rest of the quote is mangled too.] It is Luger-shaped mind you.
https://tinyurl.com/2n7k2kdn
The Firearms IMDB calls it a Luger even though the coroner [and the closed-captioning] clearly uses "Lundberg". [The rest of the quote is mangled too.] It is Luger-shaped mind you.
https://tinyurl.com/2n7k2kdn
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 24, 2024 08:08 PM (2yu8s)
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Say, my newly-reinflamed interest in shooting is really hard on my budget and my savings. Is that supposed to happen?
Posted by: Splunge at March 24, 2024 08:07 PM (oBPoz)
Only for the first 4 hours.
Posted by: Splunge at March 24, 2024 08:07 PM (oBPoz)
Only for the first 4 hours.
Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2024 08:08 PM (Kiwh3)
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Apropos I think:
EndWokeness
·Florida Sheriff
8h
Florida has a different approach:
"If someone is breaking into your house, you're more than welcome to shoot. We prefer you to do that, actually."
EndWokeness
·Florida Sheriff
8h
Florida has a different approach:
"If someone is breaking into your house, you're more than welcome to shoot. We prefer you to do that, actually."
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 24, 2024 08:09 PM (t/2Uw)
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I've seen that lipstick ammo, but my local Steel Challenge group definitely requires the fully frangible stuff.
Posted by: Splunge at March 24, 2024 08:05 PM (oBPoz)
Understood. Let us know what you end up shooting and keep them in the bullseye!
Posted by: Splunge at March 24, 2024 08:05 PM (oBPoz)
Understood. Let us know what you end up shooting and keep them in the bullseye!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 24, 2024 08:09 PM (R/m4+)
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Posted by: Splunge at March 24, 2024 08:07 PM (oBPoz)
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Well, yes. But savings can be realized elsewhere in the household budget. How much are you spending on food and shoes for the children, for example?
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Well, yes. But savings can be realized elsewhere in the household budget. How much are you spending on food and shoes for the children, for example?
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 08:09 PM (JwHpX)
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Good evening to all. No shewtin this last week just some evenings at the reloading bench. I’m building a stock of 45 Colt for SASS shooting. First time reloading for pistol and it’s going well if slowly.
Thanks to you, Weasel.
Thanks to you, Weasel.
Posted by: Coelacanth at March 24, 2024 08:09 PM (o3/x/)
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Splunge, in the song, Zevon requests lawyers, guns, and money.
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 08:10 PM (NxC5+)
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Back then, cops (and military) didn't have body armor. You were taught to aim with your side facing the target, not your chest. That gave the other guy the smallest possible silhouette to shoot at. Having your other hand on your hip would make you present your side to the target rather than your chest.
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Very good. Thanks.
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Very good. Thanks.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 24, 2024 08:10 PM (2yu8s)
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and:
not that they're not all good, but excellent gun thread tonight, Weasel!
not that they're not all good, but excellent gun thread tonight, Weasel!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at March 24, 2024 08:11 PM (PFYt9)
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 08:11 PM (JwHpX)
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140 Splunge, in the song, Zevon requests lawyers, guns, and money.
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 08:10 PM (NxC5+)
Well, I'm 1 for 3. It's just that the 1 is a different choice from the list now.
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 08:10 PM (NxC5+)
Well, I'm 1 for 3. It's just that the 1 is a different choice from the list now.
Posted by: Splunge at March 24, 2024 08:11 PM (oBPoz)
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Say, my newly-reinflamed interest in shooting is really hard on my budget and my savings. Is that supposed to happen?
Posted by: Splunge at March 24, 2024 08:07 PM (oBPoz)
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Sounds like a newbie, to me. Experienced gun people all know it's become real when you take out the second mortgage.
Posted by: Splunge at March 24, 2024 08:07 PM (oBPoz)
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Sounds like a newbie, to me. Experienced gun people all know it's become real when you take out the second mortgage.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 24, 2024 08:11 PM (tT6L1)
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Pretty sure that the last time I was at the range, someone on the adjacent range was firing at steel, and something was coming over the berm and peppering me when I was changing targets. I should take a picture of the stuff the next time I am there. It looked like little nose cones of a bullet. You're not supposed to use steel in those particular ranges.
Posted by: Splunge
Hmmm. Isn't Cold Range supposed to shut down everyone to avoid just that kind of thing happening?
Posted by: Splunge
Hmmm. Isn't Cold Range supposed to shut down everyone to avoid just that kind of thing happening?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 24, 2024 08:12 PM (t/2Uw)
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Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at March 24, 2024 08:11 PM (PFYt9)
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Thanks sock!
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Thanks sock!
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 08:13 PM (JwHpX)
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122 I've also been thinking a LOT about when I would actually draw and shoot.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 24, 2024 07:59 PM
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I'm nowhere near having to answer these questions in real life (at least not yet), but the mental aspect of carrying is more daunting to me than the equipment or technical skills. Glad to have learned from others in this dojo about knowing what you think and why you think it, knowing the legal landscape, and going through practice scenarios to avoid first contact being the first time. Thanks Nurse and thanks y'all.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 24, 2024 07:59 PM
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I'm nowhere near having to answer these questions in real life (at least not yet), but the mental aspect of carrying is more daunting to me than the equipment or technical skills. Glad to have learned from others in this dojo about knowing what you think and why you think it, knowing the legal landscape, and going through practice scenarios to avoid first contact being the first time. Thanks Nurse and thanks y'all.
Posted by: TRex at March 24, 2024 08:13 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2024 07:58 PM (a3Q+t)
.44 Magnum is descended from .44 Special, which in turn was descended from the old black powder .44 Russian cartridge first introduced in 1870. The Russians wanted an internally lubricated bullet (i.e. inside the casing vice the exterior of the bullet). S&W reduced the bullet diameter to .429 inches in order to accommodate the Russian order and to prevent .44 Russian from chambering into older .44 "true bore" S&W cartridge revolvers that couldn't take the higher pressures from .44 Russian. .44 Special and .44 Magnum retain this reduced bullet diameter today.
.44 Magnum is descended from .44 Special, which in turn was descended from the old black powder .44 Russian cartridge first introduced in 1870. The Russians wanted an internally lubricated bullet (i.e. inside the casing vice the exterior of the bullet). S&W reduced the bullet diameter to .429 inches in order to accommodate the Russian order and to prevent .44 Russian from chambering into older .44 "true bore" S&W cartridge revolvers that couldn't take the higher pressures from .44 Russian. .44 Special and .44 Magnum retain this reduced bullet diameter today.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 08:15 PM (yRXSd)
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Better turn in
Short week at least, and should get truck back tomorrow.
Have a good evening everyone
Short week at least, and should get truck back tomorrow.
Have a good evening everyone
Posted by: Skip at March 24, 2024 08:15 PM (fwDg9)
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Hmmm. Isn't Cold Range supposed to shut down everyone to avoid just that kind of thing happening?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 24, 2024 08:12 PM (t/2Uw)
At a range I visit, they had a shotgun area next to the rifle range. I would get rained on from whatever they were blasting next door when changing/checking targets. They eventually moved the shotgun area to nearer the skeet range.
I enjoyed yelling "Incoming!" and bowing my head when the dust would fly.
Good times, good times...
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 24, 2024 08:12 PM (t/2Uw)
At a range I visit, they had a shotgun area next to the rifle range. I would get rained on from whatever they were blasting next door when changing/checking targets. They eventually moved the shotgun area to nearer the skeet range.
I enjoyed yelling "Incoming!" and bowing my head when the dust would fly.
Good times, good times...
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 24, 2024 08:17 PM (R/m4+)
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Weasel, thanks for the helicopter reel.
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 08:17 PM (NxC5+)
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146 Hmmm. Isn't Cold Range supposed to shut down everyone to avoid just that kind of thing happening?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 24, 2024 08:12 PM (t/2Uw)
This is not that kind of range. This is an outdoor, membership-only, "here is your personal area, surrounded by dirt berms, go have fun" kind of range. I love it and I don't want to change a thing.
I mean, they do have rules, and one of them is no steel on this particular range type. Another is "no you can't stagger your targets and make your own USPSA practice range." But the list is short, and driven by genuine safety issues, which is the kind of attitude I applaud and support.
If I kick the bucket because I didn't want to go all Kevin about "the man next to me is shooting steel on one of the ranges where you are not supposed to do that!", well, I suppose there are worse ways to go. But really, it was minor peppering, so I don't think it was actually a big deal.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 24, 2024 08:12 PM (t/2Uw)
This is not that kind of range. This is an outdoor, membership-only, "here is your personal area, surrounded by dirt berms, go have fun" kind of range. I love it and I don't want to change a thing.
I mean, they do have rules, and one of them is no steel on this particular range type. Another is "no you can't stagger your targets and make your own USPSA practice range." But the list is short, and driven by genuine safety issues, which is the kind of attitude I applaud and support.
If I kick the bucket because I didn't want to go all Kevin about "the man next to me is shooting steel on one of the ranges where you are not supposed to do that!", well, I suppose there are worse ways to go. But really, it was minor peppering, so I don't think it was actually a big deal.
Posted by: Splunge at March 24, 2024 08:18 PM (oBPoz)
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87 I should add, though, that on your chest makes it available to switch to 2-handed shooting more easily, and more in line with how you're taught to draw to two-handed.
Posted by: GWB
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What GWB said.
Caveat is if you want to take advantage of sympathetic grip--e.g. if you tighten one hand into a fist on your chest, it will help you tighten your shooting hand as well which is necessary for adequate recoil control firing single handed.
Need to be careful with some of the old shooting poses as many of them were more for firing ranges than combat. The teacup method is particularly without merit.
Posted by: GWB
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What GWB said.
Caveat is if you want to take advantage of sympathetic grip--e.g. if you tighten one hand into a fist on your chest, it will help you tighten your shooting hand as well which is necessary for adequate recoil control firing single handed.
Need to be careful with some of the old shooting poses as many of them were more for firing ranges than combat. The teacup method is particularly without merit.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 08:18 PM (uf8KX)
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Need to be careful with some of the old shooting poses as many of them were more for firing ranges than combat. The teacup method is particularly without merit.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 08:18 PM (uf8KX)
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A couple of things which burn me when I see guns on tv: tea cup and lack of muzzle discipline. Though finger off the trigger is in the mix, too.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 08:18 PM (uf8KX)
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A couple of things which burn me when I see guns on tv: tea cup and lack of muzzle discipline. Though finger off the trigger is in the mix, too.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 24, 2024 08:20 PM (tT6L1)
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I'm nowhere near having to answer these questions in real life (at least not yet), but the mental aspect of carrying is more daunting to me than the equipment or technical skills. Glad to have learned from others in this dojo about knowing what you think and why you think it, knowing the legal landscape, and going through practice scenarios to avoid first contact being the first time. Thanks Nurse and thanks y'all.
Posted by: TRex at March 24, 2024 08:13 PM (IQ6Gq)
I grew up in the South and was in the military, but transitioning to a "carrying" person took a bit for me. It was probably some number of months before it didn't feel weird anymore - some of that is adjustment to holster and carry position. Now, though, I feel naked without it.
Posted by: TRex at March 24, 2024 08:13 PM (IQ6Gq)
I grew up in the South and was in the military, but transitioning to a "carrying" person took a bit for me. It was probably some number of months before it didn't feel weird anymore - some of that is adjustment to holster and carry position. Now, though, I feel naked without it.
Posted by: blaster at March 24, 2024 08:20 PM (IFNME)
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If I were to ever express my opinion here (never happens), I would tell everyone even considering CCW to do it yesterday.
There is a time factor in going through the approval process, then a definite familiarization period with actually carrying daily.
Without going political in this thread, you are about to have some normalcy bias come to a screeching halt. It’s like I said above, you are not going to see what you aren’t expecting to see.
And thus endeth the lesson.
There is a time factor in going through the approval process, then a definite familiarization period with actually carrying daily.
Without going political in this thread, you are about to have some normalcy bias come to a screeching halt. It’s like I said above, you are not going to see what you aren’t expecting to see.
And thus endeth the lesson.
Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2024 08:21 PM (Kiwh3)
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Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 24, 2024 08:06 PM (tT6L1)
A huge part of carrying, IMO, is gaming out scenarios, preparing your brain and body to react.
And, yes, it's a choice whether you get out, race to the gunfire, just get your family covered, etc. But it's VITAL that you think about it beforehand, so you're not caught dithering when the evil happens. You can analyze what's going on ("Are those actually gunshots?") and decide on what actions you're going to take.
People watching also helps. Look at people as they go about their business. Write a story about them in your head, based on facial expressions, how they walk, what they're paying attention to (or NOT paying attention to). Figure out if they're a victim or a defender or a potential bad guy.
A huge part of carrying, IMO, is gaming out scenarios, preparing your brain and body to react.
And, yes, it's a choice whether you get out, race to the gunfire, just get your family covered, etc. But it's VITAL that you think about it beforehand, so you're not caught dithering when the evil happens. You can analyze what's going on ("Are those actually gunshots?") and decide on what actions you're going to take.
People watching also helps. Look at people as they go about their business. Write a story about them in your head, based on facial expressions, how they walk, what they're paying attention to (or NOT paying attention to). Figure out if they're a victim or a defender or a potential bad guy.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 08:22 PM (69JzL)
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The teacup method is particularly without merit.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 08:18 PM
With .44mag, get you a forehead, it will.
- a yoda
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 08:18 PM
With .44mag, get you a forehead, it will.
- a yoda
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 08:22 PM (NxC5+)
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I was looking at bulletproof vests -- the ones with hard or soft plates inserted into a 'holding bag' [not too technical for you I hope] -- and one of the retailers suggested wearing it at ranges in case of ricochets etc.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 24, 2024 08:22 PM (2yu8s)
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Well, yes. But savings can be realized elsewhere in the household budget. How much are you spending on food and shoes for the children, for example?
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 08:09 PM (JwHpX)
How about liquidating your kids' college funds for an NFA Class III firearm and the ammo to feed it?
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 08:09 PM (JwHpX)
How about liquidating your kids' college funds for an NFA Class III firearm and the ammo to feed it?
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 08:23 PM (yRXSd)
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I could legally carry today, here in this "Constitutional Carry" state. But I know my skills are not ready for that, so I am not doing it yet. And I'm planning to get a CCW permit anyway, to learn the laws in the required class, and to get the bonus benefit of not having to fill out the form when you pick up a gun.
Posted by: Splunge at March 24, 2024 08:23 PM (oBPoz)
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104 Anyone else here reload 30-06 for the M1 Garand? If so, what powders do you favor? I've mostly only used the old standby, IMR-4895, but I'm down to my last pound and having trouble finding more of it, or H4895. I have a pound of IMR-4064 and can get Varget. I have plenty of H335 and can get more, I understand it's usable. Hodgdon also lists Garand loads with Win 748, and I have that in stock. Other than those, what do people like?
Last week I managed to score 1,000 large rifle primers for an obscene price. I could have had more, but "obscene price".
Posted by: BillyD
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Powder depends on whether I am firing a Garand or my bolt guns. H4895 and IMR 4895 are pretty close to Varget (as matter of not getting weasel mad, we do not specify any actual powder loads).
IMR 4064 is what I use if I want to wring out a bolt action in 30-06 but I rarely if ever do that on a range. More for hunting.
Try catching Natchez Shooting Supply or Powder Valley Inc on primers--they are around and getting on sale now and again.
Last week I managed to score 1,000 large rifle primers for an obscene price. I could have had more, but "obscene price".
Posted by: BillyD
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Powder depends on whether I am firing a Garand or my bolt guns. H4895 and IMR 4895 are pretty close to Varget (as matter of not getting weasel mad, we do not specify any actual powder loads).
IMR 4064 is what I use if I want to wring out a bolt action in 30-06 but I rarely if ever do that on a range. More for hunting.
Try catching Natchez Shooting Supply or Powder Valley Inc on primers--they are around and getting on sale now and again.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 08:23 PM (uf8KX)
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159 The teacup method is particularly without merit.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 08:18 PM
With .44mag, get you a forehead, it will.
- a yoda
Posted by: Eromero
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Heh.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 08:18 PM
With .44mag, get you a forehead, it will.
- a yoda
Posted by: Eromero
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Heh.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 08:24 PM (uf8KX)
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Good (late) Sunday evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons, and many thanks for the girthy Gub Thread to our generous host Weasel.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at March 24, 2024 08:24 PM (v23vE)
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157 If I were to ever express my opinion here (never happens), I would tell everyone even considering CCW to do it yesterday.
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Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2024 08:21 PM (Kiwh3)
Pretty much all of this, but the first sentence the most.
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Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2024 08:21 PM (Kiwh3)
Pretty much all of this, but the first sentence the most.
Posted by: blaster at March 24, 2024 08:25 PM (IFNME)
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Glad to have learned from others in this dojo about knowing what you think and why you think it, knowing the legal landscape, and going through practice scenarios to avoid first contact being the first time.
Posted by: TRex at March 24, 2024 08:13 PM (IQ6Gq)
If you don't have a copy already, I suggest getting Branca's book The Law of Self Defense Principles.
Posted by: TRex at March 24, 2024 08:13 PM (IQ6Gq)
If you don't have a copy already, I suggest getting Branca's book The Law of Self Defense Principles.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 08:25 PM (69JzL)
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I think Weasel makes a good point about the food and shoe budget. Kids can get their shoes free range by rolling a few hobos. That and Top Ramen week should help those budgetary issues.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 24, 2024 08:26 PM (tT6L1)
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156 and 157-
You guys are quoting chapter and verse. Carry piece, then wallet, keys and etc. Everyday.
You guys are quoting chapter and verse. Carry piece, then wallet, keys and etc. Everyday.
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 08:26 PM (NxC5+)
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A couple of things which burn me when I see guns on tv: tea cup and lack of muzzle discipline. Though finger off the trigger is in the mix, too.
Posted by: blake
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Sabrina pose is also a thing--movies and tv use the gun carried next to the face in order to frame the gun and face in one shot. Rarely if ever useful tactically--unless you are one of Charlie's Angels that can blow up a car with a snub nose 38 Special at 100 yards.
Posted by: blake
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Sabrina pose is also a thing--movies and tv use the gun carried next to the face in order to frame the gun and face in one shot. Rarely if ever useful tactically--unless you are one of Charlie's Angels that can blow up a car with a snub nose 38 Special at 100 yards.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 08:26 PM (uf8KX)
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gotta think about that stuff ,nurse, good for you!
it increases the chance of making a right decision in the few milliseconds available when immediate action is required.
or isn't.
it increases the chance of making a right decision in the few milliseconds available when immediate action is required.
or isn't.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at March 24, 2024 08:27 PM (PFYt9)
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I use the "teacup" with one pistol.
Polish P-64.
The pistol is so small there is no other way to use two hands to fire the little thing.
The trigger is about 20 pounds to start with too.
Polish P-64.
The pistol is so small there is no other way to use two hands to fire the little thing.
The trigger is about 20 pounds to start with too.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 24, 2024 08:28 PM (R/m4+)
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I have always used IMR4895
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 07:51 PM
I read somewhere that they had stopped manufacturing IMR4895. Any truth to that? I have a great 4895 load for my Model 70 and I'd hate to not be able to load it anymore.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 07:51 PM
I read somewhere that they had stopped manufacturing IMR4895. Any truth to that? I have a great 4895 load for my Model 70 and I'd hate to not be able to load it anymore.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 24, 2024 08:28 PM (Wnv9h)
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blow up a car with a snub nose 38 Special at 100 yards.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 08:26 PM (uf8KX)
Is that an option? I'd like that!
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 08:26 PM (uf8KX)
Is that an option? I'd like that!
Posted by: blaster at March 24, 2024 08:28 PM (IFNME)
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158 People watching also helps. Look at people as they go about their business. Write a story about them in your head, based on facial expressions, how they walk, what they're paying attention to (or NOT paying attention to). Figure out if they're a victim or a defender or a potential bad guy.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 08:22 PM
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This. Applies with or without carrying a weapon. Situational awareness is vastly underrated and pays big dividends of avoiding a bad situation at the outset.
Mattis(?) variant - be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 08:22 PM
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This. Applies with or without carrying a weapon. Situational awareness is vastly underrated and pays big dividends of avoiding a bad situation at the outset.
Mattis(?) variant - be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
Posted by: TRex at March 24, 2024 08:28 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Is that an option? I'd like that!
Posted by: blaster at March 24, 2024 08:28 PM (IFNME)
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Plenty of youtube videos of cars, rifles and tannerite.
Posted by: blaster at March 24, 2024 08:28 PM (IFNME)
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Plenty of youtube videos of cars, rifles and tannerite.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 24, 2024 08:29 PM (tT6L1)
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We do you post this garbage ?? How many childrin of coler die each yeer because of guns ???
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein at March 24, 2024 08:29 PM (/1UO6)
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Every single person on this forum should also carry pepper spray. Every day.
To me, if I had to fire a weapon in self defense, having pepper spray says that I considered the threat to exceed non lethal measures. And yes, I play out stuff in my head all the time. Especially when I'm walking to work downtown. And at Mass. I'm very concerned about what soft targets we are, especially this week. It's Holy Week.
To me, if I had to fire a weapon in self defense, having pepper spray says that I considered the threat to exceed non lethal measures. And yes, I play out stuff in my head all the time. Especially when I'm walking to work downtown. And at Mass. I'm very concerned about what soft targets we are, especially this week. It's Holy Week.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 24, 2024 08:30 PM (+YvDy)
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Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 24, 2024 08:22 PM (2yu8s)
Wearing Level IV body armor (stops up 7.62mm NATO) is heavy (35 pounds). It also puts you at risk for heat stress even if it's cool because body armor does a good job at not letting your body heat escape. Since most ranges won't let you drink water while on the firing line, this can put you at high risk for heat exhaustion or heat stroke if it's warm outside.
Wearing Level IV body armor (stops up 7.62mm NATO) is heavy (35 pounds). It also puts you at risk for heat stress even if it's cool because body armor does a good job at not letting your body heat escape. Since most ranges won't let you drink water while on the firing line, this can put you at high risk for heat exhaustion or heat stroke if it's warm outside.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 08:31 PM (yRXSd)
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you are one of Charlie's Angels that can blow up a car with a snub nose
Bosley tried to shoot me with his "snub nose" once.
Bosley tried to shoot me with his "snub nose" once.
Posted by: Kelly Garrett at March 24, 2024 08:31 PM (ufFY8)
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The teacup method is particularly without merit.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 08:18 PM (uf8KX)
That's just because you're a bigot!
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 08:18 PM (uf8KX)
That's just because you're a bigot!
Posted by: Disney Princess at March 24, 2024 08:32 PM (69JzL)
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For My Information.
Two improper handholds [doesn't show body stance] -- tea-cupping and crossed thumbs.
https://tinyurl.com/mwcaetyw
Two improper handholds [doesn't show body stance] -- tea-cupping and crossed thumbs.
https://tinyurl.com/mwcaetyw
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 24, 2024 08:33 PM (2yu8s)
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And thus endeth the lesson.
Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2024 08:21 PM (Kiwh3)
Ditto. What he said.
Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2024 08:21 PM (Kiwh3)
Ditto. What he said.
Posted by: Disney Princess at March 24, 2024 08:33 PM (69JzL)
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177 We do you post this garbage ?? How many childrin of coler die each yeer because of guns ???
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein at March 24, 2024 08:29 PM (/1UO6)
You know, Vermont still has pretty good, free gun laws.
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein at March 24, 2024 08:29 PM (/1UO6)
You know, Vermont still has pretty good, free gun laws.
Posted by: Splunge at March 24, 2024 08:33 PM (oBPoz)
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Ribs are off the smoker. Late, but good.
(I've now brought food in, along with a subtle movie quote reference above. It'll be up to y'all to reference mammiform protuberances for the required Thread quadfecta.)
(I've now brought food in, along with a subtle movie quote reference above. It'll be up to y'all to reference mammiform protuberances for the required Thread quadfecta.)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2024 08:34 PM (a3Q+t)
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People watching also helps. Look at people as they go about their business. Write a story about them in your head, based on facial expressions, how they walk, what they're paying attention to (or NOT paying attention to). Figure out if they're a victim or a defender or a potential bad guy.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 08:22 PM (69JzL)
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SEH did a great video about situational awareness. She really got down on the "wandering around while starting at the phone" thing. After she mentioned it, I started looking around and, yeah, she really has a point. If i want to raise my situational awareness, I open carry. I've found my situational awareness goes up when I open carry. Last thing I want is someone to get in behind me and grab my weapon.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 08:22 PM (69JzL)
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SEH did a great video about situational awareness. She really got down on the "wandering around while starting at the phone" thing. After she mentioned it, I started looking around and, yeah, she really has a point. If i want to raise my situational awareness, I open carry. I've found my situational awareness goes up when I open carry. Last thing I want is someone to get in behind me and grab my weapon.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 24, 2024 08:34 PM (tT6L1)
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Your shooting style has to work for you. The isoceles stance became a thing when body armor was widely issued to police. It works and you can swivel around a bit easier as if you are imitating a tank turret.
The Weaver came from a California cop, Jack Weaver, that more or less uses the same style of a bladed front as you would when shooting a rifle (opinions differ on stiff elbow or slightly bent) and it worked especially well for Col Cooper's Leatherslap shooting competitions (an early shooting competition that eventually morphed into the IPSC.
Ken Chapman has an in-between style between a pure Weaver or pure Isoceles.
In most cases, I think noted Cooper disciple and excellent trainer himself, Louis Awerbuck, put it best--have your feet about a boxer's width apart and shoot whichever stance that you shoot best naturally. Do lean forward though to help recoil recovery from strings of shots.
The Weaver came from a California cop, Jack Weaver, that more or less uses the same style of a bladed front as you would when shooting a rifle (opinions differ on stiff elbow or slightly bent) and it worked especially well for Col Cooper's Leatherslap shooting competitions (an early shooting competition that eventually morphed into the IPSC.
Ken Chapman has an in-between style between a pure Weaver or pure Isoceles.
In most cases, I think noted Cooper disciple and excellent trainer himself, Louis Awerbuck, put it best--have your feet about a boxer's width apart and shoot whichever stance that you shoot best naturally. Do lean forward though to help recoil recovery from strings of shots.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 08:34 PM (uf8KX)
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Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 24, 2024 08:28 PM (Wnv9h)
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I hadn't heard that. It'd be a shame if true!
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I hadn't heard that. It'd be a shame if true!
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 08:34 PM (JwHpX)
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Wearing Level IV body armor (stops up 7.62mm NATO) is heavy (35 pounds). It also puts you at risk for heat stress even if it's cool because body armor does a good job at not letting your body heat escape. Since most ranges won't let you drink water while on the firing line, this can put you at high risk for heat exhaustion or heat stroke if it's warm outside.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 08:31 PM
Wearing real body armor is not easy, is it?
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 08:31 PM
Wearing real body armor is not easy, is it?
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 08:34 PM (NxC5+)
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Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 24, 2024 08:28 PM (Wnv9h)
Well, there are a couple of "little" fracases going on that have high demands for all the gunpowder that can be supplied. Niche products might not be a priority.
Well, there are a couple of "little" fracases going on that have high demands for all the gunpowder that can be supplied. Niche products might not be a priority.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 08:35 PM (yRXSd)
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And thus endeth the lesson.
Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2024 08:21 PM (Kiwh3)
Ditto. What he said.
Without the sock, this time.
Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2024 08:21 PM (Kiwh3)
Ditto. What he said.
Without the sock, this time.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 08:35 PM (69JzL)
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Bosley tried to shoot me with his "snub nose" once.
Posted by: Kelly Garrett
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Double heh. I'll bet.
Posted by: Kelly Garrett
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Double heh. I'll bet.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 08:35 PM (uf8KX)
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Powder depends on whether I am firing a Garand or my bolt guns. H4895 and IMR 4895 are pretty close to Varget (as matter of not getting weasel mad, we do not specify any actual powder loads).
IMR 4064 is what I use if I want to wring out a bolt action in 30-06 but I rarely if ever do that on a range. More for hunting.
Try catching Natchez Shooting Supply or Powder Valley Inc on primers--they are around and getting on sale now and again.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 08:23 PM (uf8KX)
Garand only is what I'm looking for powder suggestions for. I have manuals, so I don't need specific load data. My local Scheels had reloading stuff 15% off last week, that's where I scored large rifle primers and some powder, but no 4895. The usual reliable online sources all seem to be out of stock.
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Powder depends on whether I am firing a Garand or my bolt guns. H4895 and IMR 4895 are pretty close to Varget (as matter of not getting weasel mad, we do not specify any actual powder loads).
IMR 4064 is what I use if I want to wring out a bolt action in 30-06 but I rarely if ever do that on a range. More for hunting.
Try catching Natchez Shooting Supply or Powder Valley Inc on primers--they are around and getting on sale now and again.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 08:23 PM (uf8KX)
Garand only is what I'm looking for powder suggestions for. I have manuals, so I don't need specific load data. My local Scheels had reloading stuff 15% off last week, that's where I scored large rifle primers and some powder, but no 4895. The usual reliable online sources all seem to be out of stock.
Posted by: BillyD at March 24, 2024 08:36 PM (F6Xpw)
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You know you've got a bad case of gun fever when you go to shoot a fly with your Bug-a-Salt, and you think "you know, this trigger really isn't very good."
Posted by: Splunge at March 24, 2024 08:37 PM (oBPoz)
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Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 08:34 PM (NxC5+)
Not recommended unless you are in good (not just OK) shape. The extra weight will take a toll on your joints (especially your knees) if you walk around a lot.
Not recommended unless you are in good (not just OK) shape. The extra weight will take a toll on your joints (especially your knees) if you walk around a lot.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 08:37 PM (yRXSd)
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And at Mass. I'm very concerned about what soft targets we are, especially this week. It's Holy Week.
Posted by: nurse ratched
Yep - the parish will have a team at each service for each day this week for just that reason.
Posted by: nurse ratched
Yep - the parish will have a team at each service for each day this week for just that reason.
Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2024 08:37 PM (WXNFJ)
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Ha! Open carry in downtown Seattle would not go over well.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 24, 2024 08:37 PM (6yQ3Y)
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You know you've got a bad case of gun fever when you go to shoot a fly with your Bug-a-Salt, and you think "you know, this trigger really isn't very good."
Posted by: Splunge at March 24, 2024 08:37 PM (oBPoz)
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This.
Posted by: Splunge at March 24, 2024 08:37 PM (oBPoz)
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This.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 24, 2024 08:37 PM (tT6L1)
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Well, there are a couple of "little" fracases going on that have high demands for all the gunpowder that can be supplied. Niche products might not be a priority.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 08:35 PM
Point.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 08:35 PM
Point.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 24, 2024 08:38 PM (Wnv9h)
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 08:38 PM (JwHpX)
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168 I think Weasel makes a good point about the food and shoe budget. Kids can get their shoes free range by rolling a few hobos. That and Top Ramen week should help those budgetary issues.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 24, 2024 08:26 PM (tT6L1)
Yes, but consider that if you're sending the urchins out to labor in the local mines or mills to earn money for your gun budget, they will probably need at least a little chow to keep them from collapsing on the job.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 24, 2024 08:26 PM (tT6L1)
Yes, but consider that if you're sending the urchins out to labor in the local mines or mills to earn money for your gun budget, they will probably need at least a little chow to keep them from collapsing on the job.
Posted by: BillyD at March 24, 2024 08:39 PM (F6Xpw)
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195 Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 08:34 PM (NxC5+)
Not recommended unless you are in good (not just OK) shape. The extra weight will take a toll on your joints (especially your knees) if you walk around a lot.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 08:37 PM
Average 3 miles per shift.
Not recommended unless you are in good (not just OK) shape. The extra weight will take a toll on your joints (especially your knees) if you walk around a lot.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 08:37 PM
Average 3 miles per shift.
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 08:40 PM (NxC5+)
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Thanks for the thread Weasel.
Long day so I'll say Good Night all.
I will attempt to do something gun related this week so I have something to add to the discussion.
❤️🤠💃
Long day so I'll say Good Night all.
I will attempt to do something gun related this week so I have something to add to the discussion.
❤️🤠💃
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 24, 2024 08:40 PM (t/2Uw)
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Oh, I forgot the Scripture reading!
Get thee hence to your LGS and acquire an MSR, and the skills to use it.
Even if you have to beat your plowshares into swords, and make your kids wear last year’s shoes.
Coffee and tea will be served in the vestibulary.
Get thee hence to your LGS and acquire an MSR, and the skills to use it.
Even if you have to beat your plowshares into swords, and make your kids wear last year’s shoes.
Coffee and tea will be served in the vestibulary.
Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2024 08:40 PM (Kiwh3)
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200 Posted by: BillyD at March 24, 2024 08:36 PM (F6Xpw)
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Have you tried Powder Valley?
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 08:38 PM (JwHpX)
Yes, they show out of stock for both 1# and 8#.
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Have you tried Powder Valley?
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 08:38 PM (JwHpX)
Yes, they show out of stock for both 1# and 8#.
Posted by: BillyD at March 24, 2024 08:41 PM (F6Xpw)
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Well, there are a couple of "little" fracases going on that have high demands for all the gunpowder that can be supplied. Niche products might not be a priority.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 08:35 PM
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Didn't Ukraine and Russia supply a lot of the nitrates used for gunpowder?
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 08:35 PM
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Didn't Ukraine and Russia supply a lot of the nitrates used for gunpowder?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 24, 2024 08:41 PM (tT6L1)
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I hadn't heard that. It'd be a shame if true!
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 08:34 PM
Can't recall where I read that. It had to have been at least 4 or 5 months ago, though. I was looking to price components even though I haven't got my reloading gear set up yet.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 08:34 PM
Can't recall where I read that. It had to have been at least 4 or 5 months ago, though. I was looking to price components even though I haven't got my reloading gear set up yet.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 24, 2024 08:41 PM (Wnv9h)
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 08:42 PM (JwHpX)
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Guns!
Sneaking in a comment while the dogs eat dinner...and before they start begging for more dinner.
Sneaking in a comment while the dogs eat dinner...and before they start begging for more dinner.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 24, 2024 08:42 PM (xcxpd)
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What's served in the narthex, RI Red?
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 08:42 PM (NxC5+)
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And at Mass. I'm very concerned about what soft targets we are, especially this week. It's Holy Week.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 24, 2024 08:30 PM (+YvDy)
I carry every single Sunday. Period. Whether we have a plan or not. Whether the pastor would approve of it or not. Whether or not the state says I must not. I will not allow a congregation to be nothing more than a target-rich environment.
Blessed be the Lord my God, who teaches my hands for war and my fingers to fight. Psalm 144:1 (from memory)
Some day he will break the "battle bow". But that day is not today. And if it is, then I will know it and happily lay down my sword right there.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 24, 2024 08:30 PM (+YvDy)
I carry every single Sunday. Period. Whether we have a plan or not. Whether the pastor would approve of it or not. Whether or not the state says I must not. I will not allow a congregation to be nothing more than a target-rich environment.
Blessed be the Lord my God, who teaches my hands for war and my fingers to fight. Psalm 144:1 (from memory)
Some day he will break the "battle bow". But that day is not today. And if it is, then I will know it and happily lay down my sword right there.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 08:42 PM (69JzL)
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Is that an option? I'd like that!
Posted by: blaster
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Yeah, hollowpoint bullets loaded with mercury fulminate.
Posted by: blaster
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Yeah, hollowpoint bullets loaded with mercury fulminate.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 08:43 PM (uf8KX)
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Wearing Level IV body armor (stops up 7.62mm NATO) is heavy (35 pounds). It also puts you at risk for heat stress even if it's cool because body armor does a good job at not letting your body heat escape. Since most ranges won't let you drink water while on the firing line, this can put you at high risk for heat exhaustion or heat stroke if it's warm outside.
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Your comment is still valid I'm sure but it looks like NIJ Level III+ [rifle proof with the hard plate] and IIIA [pistol proof with the soft plate] are the non-LEO standards here. I was thinking of soft plate, front only for the range. The makers all brag about breathability.
And not thinking of the ones with the side plates as well as front and back because of expense and undoubtedly too snug for mybelly body shape!
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Your comment is still valid I'm sure but it looks like NIJ Level III+ [rifle proof with the hard plate] and IIIA [pistol proof with the soft plate] are the non-LEO standards here. I was thinking of soft plate, front only for the range. The makers all brag about breathability.
And not thinking of the ones with the side plates as well as front and back because of expense and undoubtedly too snug for my
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 24, 2024 08:44 PM (2yu8s)
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it's hard to remember the first time I carried ... it would have been 40ish years ago, and illegally (in The Big City), with the mini .22 revolver ...
I was a city kid, though, used to committing minor breaches of legality on an ongoing basis ... lol
I got that mini .22 through 2 cop searches over the years, once by carelessness, once by sleight-of-hand, but tbh, you have no idea what a load off my mind it was to move to a civilized state where I could get a CCL.
now I carry the j-frame everywhere, a 1911 or the 629 sometimes ...
always wanted to get one of them engraved with a head of Alfred E. Neuman and his motto "what, me worry" ... but Andrew Branca would probably recommend against it.
I was a city kid, though, used to committing minor breaches of legality on an ongoing basis ... lol
I got that mini .22 through 2 cop searches over the years, once by carelessness, once by sleight-of-hand, but tbh, you have no idea what a load off my mind it was to move to a civilized state where I could get a CCL.
now I carry the j-frame everywhere, a 1911 or the 629 sometimes ...
always wanted to get one of them engraved with a head of Alfred E. Neuman and his motto "what, me worry" ... but Andrew Branca would probably recommend against it.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at March 24, 2024 08:44 PM (PFYt9)
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They have IMR 4895 on the Hodgdon website. Last jug of that I bought was $209 at Sportsmans, it's up to $435 now!
Posted by: ck at March 24, 2024 08:45 PM (nMOLw)
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You know you've got a bad case of gun fever when you go to shoot a fly with your Bug-a-Salt, and you think "you know, this trigger really isn't very good."
Posted by: Splunge -
Flies are fun to hunt with a CO2 pellet pistol and those felt pellets that are meant for cleaning the bore. They can definitely leave a fly-gut stain on your walls and ceilings, so mind the Missus. Accuracy is short distance, 5 feet or so.
You know you've got a bad case of gun fever when you go to shoot a fly with your Bug-a-Salt, and you think "you know, this trigger really isn't very good."
Posted by: Splunge -
Flies are fun to hunt with a CO2 pellet pistol and those felt pellets that are meant for cleaning the bore. They can definitely leave a fly-gut stain on your walls and ceilings, so mind the Missus. Accuracy is short distance, 5 feet or so.
Posted by: irright at March 24, 2024 08:45 PM (WlYv7)
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I have done more testing with the S&B 230 gr JHP rounds. I don't endorse the round, very few pistols are reliable with it. But the odd quirk about it this week was that with a 1911, some magazines would feed the rounds fine and some nearly identical mags (same mfg and everything) would not feed them reliably. Only my G21 ate them without hiccup.
I also spent some rounds from my SIG P320 trying to repro the 'gritty trigger' I've complained about for years with it. But it no longer repros. I don't know if Lazy Messenger has some black magic or if switching to Ballistol made the difference but...no more grit.
Finally wound up the session with some .22 25 yard shooting with the G44. I was happy with my group once I figured out the hold. All but the first few ranging shots were in the A zone. I had my troubles with the magazines but the G44 works.
I also spent some rounds from my SIG P320 trying to repro the 'gritty trigger' I've complained about for years with it. But it no longer repros. I don't know if Lazy Messenger has some black magic or if switching to Ballistol made the difference but...no more grit.
Finally wound up the session with some .22 25 yard shooting with the G44. I was happy with my group once I figured out the hold. All but the first few ranging shots were in the A zone. I had my troubles with the magazines but the G44 works.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 24, 2024 08:46 PM (xcxpd)
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Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 08:42 PM (69JzL)
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I ignore "No guns" signs all the time. Not saying all y'all should, but it is the WeaselWay.
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I ignore "No guns" signs all the time. Not saying all y'all should, but it is the WeaselWay.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 08:46 PM (JwHpX)
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What's served in the narthex, RI Red?
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 08:42 PM (NxC5+)
Penitents. Who haven’t listened yet.
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 08:42 PM (NxC5+)
Penitents. Who haven’t listened yet.
Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2024 08:46 PM (Kiwh3)
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Dunno why folks diss the teacup. I managed to qualify Expert with it in the Navy (teacup is what they were teaching at the time). And this was with a GI 1911A1 that rattled when you shook it.
If I can do it, anyone can. Especially with a particularly-motivating GySgt.
If I can do it, anyone can. Especially with a particularly-motivating GySgt.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2024 08:46 PM (a3Q+t)
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Hi fellow shootists!
Got out shooting last Sunday, out in the desert for a change. That was nice. What wasn’t nice was that I suck. That target up above is built for me. So, what that means is that I need to practice more and concentrate on fundamentals more, right? At least that’s what Weasel-san instructs. I do believe he is right.
1/?
Got out shooting last Sunday, out in the desert for a change. That was nice. What wasn’t nice was that I suck. That target up above is built for me. So, what that means is that I need to practice more and concentrate on fundamentals more, right? At least that’s what Weasel-san instructs. I do believe he is right.
1/?
Posted by: Dag Nabbits, at March 24, 2024 08:46 PM (eUsLv)
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They have IMR 4895 on the Hodgdon website. Last jug of that I bought was $209 at Sportsmans, it's up to $435 now!
Posted by: ck at March 24, 2024 08:45 PM
O_o
Dayum!
Posted by: ck at March 24, 2024 08:45 PM
O_o
Dayum!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 24, 2024 08:46 PM (Wnv9h)
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Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 08:34 PM (uf8KX)
Why is it the search engines insist on correcting me when I search for that "modified beaver stance" meme? Even when I make that word mandatory, it still insists on showing me 1,000 pictures of the Weaver stance.
'Cause the meme is funny.
Why is it the search engines insist on correcting me when I search for that "modified beaver stance" meme? Even when I make that word mandatory, it still insists on showing me 1,000 pictures of the Weaver stance.
'Cause the meme is funny.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 08:47 PM (69JzL)
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They can definitely leave a fly-gut stain on your walls and ceilings, so mind the Missus.
Posted by: irright at March 24, 2024 08:45 PM
You do realize that our host, who sets the standards around here, charges his tractor batteries on the kitchen counter?
Posted by: irright at March 24, 2024 08:45 PM
You do realize that our host, who sets the standards around here, charges his tractor batteries on the kitchen counter?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2024 08:49 PM (a3Q+t)
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215 They have IMR 4895 on the Hodgdon website. Last jug of that I bought was $209 at Sportsmans, it's up to $435 now!
Posted by: ck at March 24, 2024 08:45 PM (nMOLw)
I see both H4895 and IMR-4895 there, both out of stock.
Posted by: ck at March 24, 2024 08:45 PM (nMOLw)
I see both H4895 and IMR-4895 there, both out of stock.
Posted by: BillyD at March 24, 2024 08:49 PM (F6Xpw)
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Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 24, 2024 08:41 PM (tT6L1)
Ammonium phosphate is a fertilizer. Ammonia is a key ingredient in making tri-nitro-toluene (TNT). So I suspect that a lot of material that would have gone into making fertilizer that's now going into making something a little more energetic instead.
Ammonium phosphate is a fertilizer. Ammonia is a key ingredient in making tri-nitro-toluene (TNT). So I suspect that a lot of material that would have gone into making fertilizer that's now going into making something a little more energetic instead.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 08:49 PM (yRXSd)
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218 I ignore "No guns" signs all the time. Not saying all y'all should, but it is the WeaselWay.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 08:46 PM (JwHpX)
I've read that that CCW lawyer insurance won't cover you if the SHTF in a "Gun-Free Zone." Not the most important consideration, to be sure, but maybe something to know.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 08:46 PM (JwHpX)
I've read that that CCW lawyer insurance won't cover you if the SHTF in a "Gun-Free Zone." Not the most important consideration, to be sure, but maybe something to know.
Posted by: Splunge at March 24, 2024 08:49 PM (oBPoz)
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I have seen photos of my Dad when he shot competitively in the Army. He stopped probably in around 1960. Their stance was almost perpendicular to the target, shooting hand pointing down range and off hand in their pocket. That was the norm. Never saw a two handed grip.
Posted by: javems at March 24, 2024 08:49 PM (8I4hW)
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The Pew-Pew Patrol
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 24, 2024 08:49 PM (2yu8s)
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2/?
So, I took out the P365, an EAA Witness 45 and my Henry Golden Boy. That Henry is a sweet shooting rifle and I was actually pretty happy with that one. Shot at targets at about 30 ft to get started, then switched to large rocks on the hillside at about 100 and 200 yards. I felt I did pretty well with that.
So, I took out the P365, an EAA Witness 45 and my Henry Golden Boy. That Henry is a sweet shooting rifle and I was actually pretty happy with that one. Shot at targets at about 30 ft to get started, then switched to large rocks on the hillside at about 100 and 200 yards. I felt I did pretty well with that.
Posted by: Dag Nabbits, at March 24, 2024 08:50 PM (eUsLv)
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You do realize that our host, who sets the standards around here, charges his tractor batteries on the kitchen counter?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2024 08:49 PM (a3Q+t)
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The host is fortunate to have a very cool and understanding spouse!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2024 08:49 PM (a3Q+t)
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The host is fortunate to have a very cool and understanding spouse!
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 08:50 PM (JwHpX)
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Yeah, hollowpoint bullets loaded with mercury fulminate.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 08:43 PM (uf8KX)
Ummmm, mightn't that go KABLAM when the primer goes off? Maybe even before the burning powder pushes the bullet out of the cartridge?
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 08:43 PM (uf8KX)
Ummmm, mightn't that go KABLAM when the primer goes off? Maybe even before the burning powder pushes the bullet out of the cartridge?
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 08:50 PM (69JzL)
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boom, spot-on, GWB! (& nurse!)
I think of that sort of thing as covered by the "judged by 12 or carried by 6" clause, and I am so with you on that.
I think of that sort of thing as covered by the "judged by 12 or carried by 6" clause, and I am so with you on that.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at March 24, 2024 08:50 PM (PFYt9)
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I've read that that CCW lawyer insurance won't cover you if the SHTF in a "Gun-Free Zone." Not the most important consideration, to be sure, but maybe something to know.
Posted by: Splunge
I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.
Posted by: Splunge
I'd rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 24, 2024 08:51 PM (6yQ3Y)
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Especially with a particularly-motivating GySgt.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
Heh, they can't use the same language they used when you qualified now.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
Heh, they can't use the same language they used when you qualified now.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 24, 2024 08:51 PM (jQQDB)
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I do a modified Weaver stance because I’m right handed / left eye dominant. Probably wouldn’t be recommended but I’ve been doing it for over 20 years with good success .
Posted by: polynikes at March 24, 2024 08:51 PM (MNhXM)
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Well, I’m running out of steam. Thanks, Big W.
And all of you gunners who make this place great.
And all of you gunners who make this place great.
Posted by: RI Red at March 24, 2024 08:52 PM (Kiwh3)
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Adios, Red!
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 08:53 PM (JwHpX)
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Garand only is what I'm looking for powder suggestions for. I have manuals, so I don't need specific load data. My local Scheels had reloading stuff 15% off last week, that's where I scored large rifle primers and some powder, but no 4895. The usual reliable online sources all seem to be out of stock.
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If you have a Midwayusa account, you can set it to email you when primers (or other stuff) is in stock for most of their inventory. Have to move fast to get it though if it is in demand.
On my Garand, I don't tinker with loads so pretty much just shoot Varget or 4895 (IMR preferably followed by Hodgdon's) in it. Have an adjustable gas accessory for it but haven't bothered to put it on.
Posted by: BillyD
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If you have a Midwayusa account, you can set it to email you when primers (or other stuff) is in stock for most of their inventory. Have to move fast to get it though if it is in demand.
On my Garand, I don't tinker with loads so pretty much just shoot Varget or 4895 (IMR preferably followed by Hodgdon's) in it. Have an adjustable gas accessory for it but haven't bothered to put it on.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 08:53 PM (uf8KX)
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Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 24, 2024 08:44 PM (2yu8s)
I have two years of experience (two combat deployments) wearing military Level IV armor constantly. I have no experience w/ soft body armor of any kind. And yes, military Level IV armor doesn't accommodate all body shapes very well.
I have two years of experience (two combat deployments) wearing military Level IV armor constantly. I have no experience w/ soft body armor of any kind. And yes, military Level IV armor doesn't accommodate all body shapes very well.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 08:53 PM (yRXSd)
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You do realize that our host, who sets the standards around here, charges his tractor batteries on the kitchen counter?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2024 08:49 PM (a3Q+t)
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The host is fortunate to have a very cool and understanding spouse!
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 08:50 PM
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And who appreciates a tractor that starts.
Thanks for the Gub Thread. Much appreciated.
You do realize that our host, who sets the standards around here, charges his tractor batteries on the kitchen counter?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2024 08:49 PM (a3Q+t)
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The host is fortunate to have a very cool and understanding spouse!
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 08:50 PM
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And who appreciates a tractor that starts.
Thanks for the Gub Thread. Much appreciated.
Posted by: irright at March 24, 2024 08:54 PM (WlYv7)
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236 I do a modified Weaver stance because I’m right handed / left eye dominant. Probably wouldn’t be recommended but I’ve been doing it for over 20 years with good success .
Posted by: polynikes
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If it works for you then it's all good.
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If it works for you then it's all good.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 08:54 PM (uf8KX)
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ignore "No guns" signs all the time. Not saying all y'all should, but it is the WeaselWay.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 08:46 PM (JwHpX)
Only places I don’t carry is where there are metal detectors,
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 08:46 PM (JwHpX)
Only places I don’t carry is where there are metal detectors,
Posted by: polynikes at March 24, 2024 08:54 PM (MNhXM)
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I am torn between reading about "modified beaver stances" and scoping out the black haired hot chick on the CBS show Tracker that Mrs. anchorbabe is sleeping to right now.
Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at March 24, 2024 08:55 PM (ufFY8)
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 08:55 PM (JwHpX)
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Yeah, hollowpoint bullets loaded with mercury fulminate.
Posted by: whig
Ummmm, mightn't that go KABLAM when the primer goes off? Maybe even before the burning powder pushes the bullet out of the cartridge?
Posted by: GWB
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We're working on it!
Posted by: whig
Ummmm, mightn't that go KABLAM when the primer goes off? Maybe even before the burning powder pushes the bullet out of the cartridge?
Posted by: GWB
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We're working on it!
Posted by: Acme Corporation at March 24, 2024 08:55 PM (2yu8s)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at March 24, 2024 08:56 PM (PFYt9)
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And yes, military Level IV armor doesn't accommodate all body shapes very well.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 08:53 PM (yRXSd)
But they laugh at the fantasy art guys for putting boobs in plate armor. There is actuallya more than one reason.
(And there's your quadfecta!)
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 08:53 PM (yRXSd)
But they laugh at the fantasy art guys for putting boobs in plate armor. There is actually
(And there's your quadfecta!)
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 08:56 PM (69JzL)
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Posted by: javems at March 24, 2024 08:49 PM (8I4hW)
The military didn't start teaching the two-handed grip until the late 1980s, when the M9 started reaching the troops. I remember seeing people shooting 1911s like you describe as an ROTC cadet in 1984-5.
The military didn't start teaching the two-handed grip until the late 1980s, when the M9 started reaching the troops. I remember seeing people shooting 1911s like you describe as an ROTC cadet in 1984-5.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 08:56 PM (yRXSd)
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 08:57 PM (JwHpX)
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I'm very concerned about what soft targets we are, especially this week. It's Holy Week.
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I've always been about situational awareness, but had not highlighted this fact in my brain. Thanks Nurse
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I've always been about situational awareness, but had not highlighted this fact in my brain. Thanks Nurse
Posted by: Grateful at March 24, 2024 08:57 PM (IQ6Gq)
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3/?
So then I moved to the handguns on targets at about 30 ft. I hadn’t fired the Witness in a couple years. I have always liked that one. It’s a staggered magazine, holds 10 and is single action/double action and has been a pretty accurate shooter. Well I stepped up to the firing line, slowly squeezed the trigger and . Hmm, not good I thought. I released the trigger and squeezed again and . And that is how the whole magazine went. Click…bang. Very strange. Two presses to get a shot off.
So then I moved to the handguns on targets at about 30 ft. I hadn’t fired the Witness in a couple years. I have always liked that one. It’s a staggered magazine, holds 10 and is single action/double action and has been a pretty accurate shooter. Well I stepped up to the firing line, slowly squeezed the trigger and . Hmm, not good I thought. I released the trigger and squeezed again and . And that is how the whole magazine went. Click…bang. Very strange. Two presses to get a shot off.
Posted by: Dag Nabbits, at March 24, 2024 08:57 PM (eUsLv)
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Ummmm, mightn't that go KABLAM when the primer goes off? Maybe even before the burning powder pushes the bullet out of the cartridge?
Posted by: GWB
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Possibly but we all know that Hollywood can work magic.
Posted by: GWB
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Possibly but we all know that Hollywood can work magic.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 08:57 PM (uf8KX)
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@ 243, that's it.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at March 24, 2024 08:57 PM (PFYt9)
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I have two years of experience (two combat deployments) wearing military Level IV armor constantly. I have no experience w/ soft body armor of any kind. And yes, military Level IV armor doesn't accommodate all body shapes very well.
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Like dress-shirts that taper! I need an inverse taper!
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Like dress-shirts that taper! I need an inverse taper!
Posted by: Acme Corporation at March 24, 2024 08:57 PM (2yu8s)
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If you have a Midwayusa account, you can set it to email you when primers (or other stuff) is in stock for most of their inventory. Have to move fast to get it though if it is in demand.
On my Garand, I don't tinker with loads so pretty much just shoot Varget or 4895 (IMR preferably followed by Hodgdon's) in it. Have an adjustable gas accessory for it but haven't bothered to put it on.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 08:53 PM (uf8KX)
I might try the MidwayUSA alert thing, I do have an account there. I will probably use up what 4895 I have, then try Varget, which seems to be fairly available. Hodgdon has one and eight pounders available.
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If you have a Midwayusa account, you can set it to email you when primers (or other stuff) is in stock for most of their inventory. Have to move fast to get it though if it is in demand.
On my Garand, I don't tinker with loads so pretty much just shoot Varget or 4895 (IMR preferably followed by Hodgdon's) in it. Have an adjustable gas accessory for it but haven't bothered to put it on.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 08:53 PM (uf8KX)
I might try the MidwayUSA alert thing, I do have an account there. I will probably use up what 4895 I have, then try Varget, which seems to be fairly available. Hodgdon has one and eight pounders available.
Posted by: BillyD at March 24, 2024 08:58 PM (F6Xpw)
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233 boom, spot-on, GWB! (& nurse!)
I think of that sort of thing as covered by the "judged by 12 or carried by 6" clause, and I am so with you on that.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at March 24, 2024 08:50 PM
My little community does not have a soros-bought DA.
I think of that sort of thing as covered by the "judged by 12 or carried by 6" clause, and I am so with you on that.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at March 24, 2024 08:50 PM
My little community does not have a soros-bought DA.
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 08:58 PM (NxC5+)
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A late query to the Gun Thread.
But, about screw in shotgun chokes. Factory and aftermarket.
I'm sorting through a bag containing about thirty of 'em. Only one box of 'em though, as a Dymo tape label (remember those), marked "BROWNING". And sure enough, they are.
Is there in existence, any kind of "chart", depicting the various choke systems, so I could visually compare the remaining tubes? Sadly, they all lack any kind of marking as to WHAT BRAND of shotgun they belong in.
Price wise, I'm seeing raw averages on Gun Broker & eBay for such tubes, from about $29 each to $79, or even more.
I'm trying to write up notes for their owner, who inherited them from his grandfather. Humorous side-note. They're all held inside of a heavy canvas coin bag, marked: "RETURN TO CHICAGO TRANSIT AUTHORITY". Sure. I'll mail the bag back to the windy city, at about twenty five or six, to four.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
But, about screw in shotgun chokes. Factory and aftermarket.
I'm sorting through a bag containing about thirty of 'em. Only one box of 'em though, as a Dymo tape label (remember those), marked "BROWNING". And sure enough, they are.
Is there in existence, any kind of "chart", depicting the various choke systems, so I could visually compare the remaining tubes? Sadly, they all lack any kind of marking as to WHAT BRAND of shotgun they belong in.
Price wise, I'm seeing raw averages on Gun Broker & eBay for such tubes, from about $29 each to $79, or even more.
I'm trying to write up notes for their owner, who inherited them from his grandfather. Humorous side-note. They're all held inside of a heavy canvas coin bag, marked: "RETURN TO CHICAGO TRANSIT AUTHORITY". Sure. I'll mail the bag back to the windy city, at about twenty five or six, to four.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at March 24, 2024 08:59 PM (e6UQI)
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#255 Off, Looney Tunes sock!
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 24, 2024 08:59 PM (2yu8s)
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Also, Nurse, as pertains to carry in church, go read my comment #12 above. Read the story of Esther if you haven't recently.
Maybe you have been placed in that congregation for just such a time as this.
Maybe you have been placed in that congregation for just such a time as this.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 08:59 PM (69JzL)
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Well, time to wander. Weasel, as always, thank you for your efforts.
I look forward to TX and the pistol range again this year.
Later!
I look forward to TX and the pistol range again this year.
Later!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 24, 2024 08:59 PM (tT6L1)
Posted by: Kindltot at March 24, 2024 09:00 PM (D7oie)
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I didn't expect to have anything to contribute tonight but the powder talk inspired me. Checking the MidwayUSA site, they have Varget for 68 bucks a pound!! Red Dot, Unique, Bullseye and Universal are about 53 bucks a pound!!! But that doesn't matter because they have none in stock.
I'm going down to smile at what I thought was too much gunpowder bought at older prices. Those 8 pound cannisters of Unique, Red Dot, and others are looking better and better.
I'm going down to smile at what I thought was too much gunpowder bought at older prices. Those 8 pound cannisters of Unique, Red Dot, and others are looking better and better.
Posted by: JTB at March 24, 2024 09:00 PM (zudum)
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Oh yeah, didn't see the out of stock below the "add to cart". I switched to Accurate 2520 or Shooters World Match Rifle in my 308's. I found some Match Rifle for $320 so I'm getting 2 on Friday. Works great in 223 and both ARC's (22 & 6mm) too.
Posted by: ck at March 24, 2024 09:00 PM (nMOLw)
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Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at March 24, 2024 08:59 PM (tT6L1)
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Thanks blake.
Looking forward to seeing you there!
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Thanks blake.
Looking forward to seeing you there!
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 09:01 PM (JwHpX)
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oh, my, gosh, Dag ... I'd start with a full strip-down and deep clean, then lubricate, reassemble, & try again.
pls report back to us as you proceed!
pls report back to us as you proceed!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at March 24, 2024 09:01 PM (PFYt9)
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Heh, they can't use the same language they used when you qualified now.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 24, 2024 08:51 PM
As Midshipmen (officers-to-be), we were spared almost all salty language. However, after putting my first three shots into the berm just in front of the target, and realizing the dust clouds were not some other doofus on the line shooting at my target, but rather me, and then glancing over my shoulder at the GySgt, with his red (nearly purple) face, rictus 'grin', and bulged-out eyes and neck veins, and managed to get the rest of my shots in the black, and qualified by 2 points.
I found later the Sergeants has bet a rather large sum of money amongst themselves as to who's group would qualify the most Experts. My Gunny won, apparently.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 24, 2024 08:51 PM
As Midshipmen (officers-to-be), we were spared almost all salty language. However, after putting my first three shots into the berm just in front of the target, and realizing the dust clouds were not some other doofus on the line shooting at my target, but rather me, and then glancing over my shoulder at the GySgt, with his red (nearly purple) face, rictus 'grin', and bulged-out eyes and neck veins, and managed to get the rest of my shots in the black, and qualified by 2 points.
I found later the Sergeants has bet a rather large sum of money amongst themselves as to who's group would qualify the most Experts. My Gunny won, apparently.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2024 09:03 PM (a3Q+t)
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Funny story is I went to the Police Headquarters downtown Houston to pick up a police report. At the entrance they have a cop taking your info and then you can see the metal detectors before you enter the main part of the building.
I told the cop I was carrying and gave him my CHL. Everything was okay and I moved to the next cop who ran you through the metal detector. He said it’s okay to carry in the building but I had to leave the pen knife I had on my key chain.
WTF?
I told the cop I was carrying and gave him my CHL. Everything was okay and I moved to the next cop who ran you through the metal detector. He said it’s okay to carry in the building but I had to leave the pen knife I had on my key chain.
WTF?
Posted by: polynikes at March 24, 2024 09:03 PM (MNhXM)
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The military didn't start teaching the two-handed grip until the late 1980s, when the M9 started reaching the troops. I remember seeing people shooting 1911s like you describe as an ROTC cadet in 1984-5.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 08:56 PM (yRXSd)
I qualified with the 1911, probably in 1969. Don't recall ever getting instruction but that was a long time ago. I do recall shooting for qualification at a full sized pop-up target at about 25 meters. Hard to miss.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 08:56 PM (yRXSd)
I qualified with the 1911, probably in 1969. Don't recall ever getting instruction but that was a long time ago. I do recall shooting for qualification at a full sized pop-up target at about 25 meters. Hard to miss.
Posted by: javems at March 24, 2024 09:04 PM (8I4hW)
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Also, if your church is using folding or stackable chairs....
Remind them they make lousy cover AND concealment in the event of a bad guy. Wooden pews have more uses than resting your tuchus.
Remind them they make lousy cover AND concealment in the event of a bad guy. Wooden pews have more uses than resting your tuchus.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 09:04 PM (69JzL)
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Why is it the search engines insist on correcting me when I search for that "modified beaver stance" meme? Even when I make that word mandatory, it still insists on showing me 1,000 pictures of the Weaver stance.
'Cause the meme is funny.
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Dunno what your search history is like. I got Weaver stance right off the bat.
'Cause the meme is funny.
Posted by: GWB
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Dunno what your search history is like. I got Weaver stance right off the bat.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 09:04 PM (uf8KX)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2024 09:04 PM (a3Q+t)
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Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 08:50 PM (69JzL)
I don't remember mercury fulminate, but I do know that some early defensive bullets were filled with liquid elemental mercury, then capped off. The mercury would (in theory) expand more rapidly than solid lead (due to its liquid state, and therefore, tear larger wounds when it tore off the cap as the bullet entered the body. This didn't prove practical. The rounds were hard to make, caused environmental pollution, and mercury poisoning internally isn't very pretty.
I don't remember mercury fulminate, but I do know that some early defensive bullets were filled with liquid elemental mercury, then capped off. The mercury would (in theory) expand more rapidly than solid lead (due to its liquid state, and therefore, tear larger wounds when it tore off the cap as the bullet entered the body. This didn't prove practical. The rounds were hard to make, caused environmental pollution, and mercury poisoning internally isn't very pretty.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 09:04 PM (yRXSd)
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I'm going down to smile at what I thought was too much gunpowder bought at older prices. Those 8 pound cannisters of Unique, Red Dot, and others are looking better and better.
Posted by: JTB at March 24, 2024 09:00 PM (zudum)
I have an eight pound jug of Bullseye and one of 2400, purchased in 2018 at the Old Prices, that will certainly last the rest of my life. I also stocked up on primers back then for under $30 per thousand. Rifle powder, not so much.
I'm going down to smile at what I thought was too much gunpowder bought at older prices. Those 8 pound cannisters of Unique, Red Dot, and others are looking better and better.
Posted by: JTB at March 24, 2024 09:00 PM (zudum)
I have an eight pound jug of Bullseye and one of 2400, purchased in 2018 at the Old Prices, that will certainly last the rest of my life. I also stocked up on primers back then for under $30 per thousand. Rifle powder, not so much.
Posted by: BillyD at March 24, 2024 09:06 PM (F6Xpw)
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Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 09:04 PM (yRXSd)
Doesn’t the Geneva Convention not allow for bullets that contain any poisonous substance?
Doesn’t the Geneva Convention not allow for bullets that contain any poisonous substance?
Posted by: polynikes at March 24, 2024 09:06 PM (MNhXM)
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Dunno what your search history is like. I got Weaver stance right off the bat.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 09:04 PM (uf8KX)
Read again, more slowly. I got Weaver stance, too.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 09:04 PM (uf8KX)
Read again, more slowly. I got Weaver stance, too.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 09:06 PM (69JzL)
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4/?
So I tried dry firing the gun and everything seemed to be working good. Trigger resistance seemed good and all the right clicks were happening. So I disassembled the gun and examined the pieces and parts and checked the firing pin. Everything seemed fine. It did seem a bit dry so I grabbed my can of lube and sprayed the frame rails, slide rails, and barrel guide and put it back together and gave it another try. Squeezed the trigger and got a bang and from then on everything worked as it should with no further problems.
So I tried dry firing the gun and everything seemed to be working good. Trigger resistance seemed good and all the right clicks were happening. So I disassembled the gun and examined the pieces and parts and checked the firing pin. Everything seemed fine. It did seem a bit dry so I grabbed my can of lube and sprayed the frame rails, slide rails, and barrel guide and put it back together and gave it another try. Squeezed the trigger and got a bang and from then on everything worked as it should with no further problems.
Posted by: Dag Nabbits, at March 24, 2024 09:07 PM (eUsLv)
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Posted by: Duncanthrax
I don't believe any sergeant had any language limitations when I was in bootcamp.
I don't believe any sergeant had any language limitations when I was in bootcamp.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 24, 2024 09:07 PM (jQQDB)
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well, same here Eromero, but a lot of my base assumptions seem to be still "big city" ... and I am addressing folks across the (increasingly diverse) country & wouldn't want to provoke undue optimism or anything remotely like it.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at March 24, 2024 09:07 PM (PFYt9)
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I might try the MidwayUSA alert thing, I do have an account there. I will probably use up what 4895 I have, then try Varget, which seems to be fairly available. Hodgdon has one and eight pounders available.
Posted by: BillyD
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Varget was basically designed off of H4895 except it is less temperature sensitive. Comes and goes in the US market due to being imported from ADI in Australia.
Posted by: BillyD
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Varget was basically designed off of H4895 except it is less temperature sensitive. Comes and goes in the US market due to being imported from ADI in Australia.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 09:08 PM (uf8KX)
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and mercury poisoning internally isn't very pretty.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 09:04 PM (yRXSd)
Because poisoning the guy you're trying to kill is just not cool, I guess.
I get it, but it one of the seemingly silly things about "civilized" warfare.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 09:04 PM (yRXSd)
Because poisoning the guy you're trying to kill is just not cool, I guess.
I get it, but it one of the seemingly silly things about "civilized" warfare.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 09:08 PM (69JzL)
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275 Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 09:04 PM (yRXSd)
Doesn’t the Geneva Convention not allow for bullets that contain any poisonous substance?
Posted by: polynikes at March 24, 2024 09:06 PM
California says they may cause cancer in mice.
Doesn’t the Geneva Convention not allow for bullets that contain any poisonous substance?
Posted by: polynikes at March 24, 2024 09:06 PM
California says they may cause cancer in mice.
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 09:08 PM (NxC5+)
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I ignore "No guns" signs all the time. Not saying all y'all should, but it is the WeaselWay.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 08:46 PM (JwHpX)
I used to work to avoid breaking that rule thinking "felony raps are bad mmmkay" and then I was like "getting dead is bad mmkay."
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 08:46 PM (JwHpX)
I used to work to avoid breaking that rule thinking "felony raps are bad mmmkay" and then I was like "getting dead is bad mmkay."
Posted by: blaster at March 24, 2024 09:09 PM (IFNME)
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IIRC Patton probably lost the Olympic Pentathlon because he insisted on using his sidearm which was .38 .
Please correct me if that’s not entirely accurate.
Please correct me if that’s not entirely accurate.
Posted by: polynikes at March 24, 2024 09:09 PM (MNhXM)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at March 24, 2024 09:09 PM (PFYt9)
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Read again, more slowly. I got Weaver stance, too.
Posted by: GWB
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Ok. I got ya. Got it in reverse.
Posted by: GWB
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Ok. I got ya. Got it in reverse.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 09:09 PM (uf8KX)
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Thank you, Weasel, for another great Gun Thread!
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 09:10 PM (69JzL)
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Less I forget: Thanks for the excellent content and all the commentary Weasel.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 24, 2024 09:10 PM (jQQDB)
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Their stance was almost perpendicular to the target, shooting hand pointing down range and off hand in their pocket.
Used to be called "Olympic" stance. For slow fire, you can obtain very good results with it. If you've never used anything but the Weaver method, I recommend a try. Make sure that off hand is in the waistband, or in the belt, or in the pocket. Fixing that angle converts the shoulders into a cantilever brace.
Used to be called "Olympic" stance. For slow fire, you can obtain very good results with it. If you've never used anything but the Weaver method, I recommend a try. Make sure that off hand is in the waistband, or in the belt, or in the pocket. Fixing that angle converts the shoulders into a cantilever brace.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at March 24, 2024 09:10 PM (zdLoL)
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 24, 2024 09:11 PM (2yu8s)
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Doesn’t the Geneva Convention not allow for bullets that contain any poisonous substance?
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Hague Convention but that applies to states at war, not individuals nor police forces.
50 caliber machine gun rounds are also only supposed to be fired at war materials course not people according to the Hague Convention.
Posted by: polynikes
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Hague Convention but that applies to states at war, not individuals nor police forces.
50 caliber machine gun rounds are also only supposed to be fired at war materials course not people according to the Hague Convention.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 09:11 PM (uf8KX)
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Posted by: javems at March 24, 2024 09:04 PM (8I4hW)
25 meter targets are still the standard today.
25 meter targets are still the standard today.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 09:11 PM (yRXSd)
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Anyone know what rifle, or carbine, U.S. cavalry carried on horseback in the late 1930's?
Posted by: javems at March 24, 2024 09:12 PM (8I4hW)
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Used to be called "Olympic" stance. For slow fire, you can obtain very good results with it. If you've never used anything but the Weaver method, I recommend a try. Make sure that off hand is in the waistband, or in the belt, or in the pocket. Fixing that angle converts the shoulders into a cantilever brace.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at March 24, 2024 09:10 PM
Duelling stance. Very satisfying, at least for one of you.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at March 24, 2024 09:10 PM
Duelling stance. Very satisfying, at least for one of you.
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 09:12 PM (NxC5+)
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50 caliber machine gun rounds are also only supposed to be fired at war materials course not people according to the Hague Convention.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 09:11 PM (uf8KX)
I believe belt buckles are considered "war materials".
50 caliber machine gun rounds are also only supposed to be fired at war materials course not people according to the Hague Convention.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 09:11 PM (uf8KX)
I believe belt buckles are considered "war materials".
Posted by: BillyD at March 24, 2024 09:13 PM (F6Xpw)
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50 caliber machine gun rounds are also only supposed to be fired at war materials course not people according to the Hague Convention.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 09:11 PM (uf8KX)
John Kerry is a war criminal !!!!
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 09:11 PM (uf8KX)
John Kerry is a war criminal !!!!
Posted by: polynikes at March 24, 2024 09:14 PM (MNhXM)
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Duelling stance. Very satisfying, at least for one of you.
Posted by: Eromero
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Droll. Heh.
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Droll. Heh.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 09:14 PM (uf8KX)
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274 ... "I have an eight pound jug of Bullseye and one of 2400, purchased in 2018 at the Old Prices, that will certainly last the rest of my life. I also stocked up on primers back then for under $30 per thousand. Rifle powder, not so much."
Yeah. After going through a couple of shortages I went a bit overboard following the last one. Since most of my centerfire rifles are military surplus, I found cast bullet loads mostly using Red Dot that meet my target needs. I took the same approach with the black powder gear.
Yeah. After going through a couple of shortages I went a bit overboard following the last one. Since most of my centerfire rifles are military surplus, I found cast bullet loads mostly using Red Dot that meet my target needs. I took the same approach with the black powder gear.
Posted by: JTB at March 24, 2024 09:14 PM (zudum)
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5/5
Lesson learned:
If your weapon has sat idle for any amount of time, lube it back up. I believe the oil had evaporated enough that it got cranky.
So with that corrected, I tried firing for accuracy and that’s where I found out that I suck. It seemed like I couldn’t hit the target at all. I tried really slowing down and didn’t improve much. And the P365 was giving me just as much problem.
So I chalked the day up as a learning experience and will have to get back out to figure out why I wasn’t able to get any kind of accuracy.
I do have to say that I could not get a comfortable stance, so maybe that was it.
Future range trips should help.
Anyhoo, thanks for the thread as usual Weasel! It’s always a great read and I appreciate all the experience and comments from the horde.
Lesson learned:
If your weapon has sat idle for any amount of time, lube it back up. I believe the oil had evaporated enough that it got cranky.
So with that corrected, I tried firing for accuracy and that’s where I found out that I suck. It seemed like I couldn’t hit the target at all. I tried really slowing down and didn’t improve much. And the P365 was giving me just as much problem.
So I chalked the day up as a learning experience and will have to get back out to figure out why I wasn’t able to get any kind of accuracy.
I do have to say that I could not get a comfortable stance, so maybe that was it.
Future range trips should help.
Anyhoo, thanks for the thread as usual Weasel! It’s always a great read and I appreciate all the experience and comments from the horde.
Posted by: Dag Nabbits, at March 24, 2024 09:15 PM (eUsLv)
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Posted by: polynikes at March 24, 2024 09:06 PM (MNhXM)
Not military ammo. Civilian (i.e. police) defensive rounds. They were (supposedly) around in the 1960s but were gone by the 1980s. PD's don't have to adhere to the Hague Convention's limitations to FMJ ammo.
Not military ammo. Civilian (i.e. police) defensive rounds. They were (supposedly) around in the 1960s but were gone by the 1980s. PD's don't have to adhere to the Hague Convention's limitations to FMJ ammo.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 09:15 PM (yRXSd)
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Corsicana is in the 4 minute zone for the eclipse.
Posted by: blaster at March 24, 2024 09:15 PM (IFNME)
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I don't believe any sergeant had any language limitations when I was in bootcamp.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 24, 2024 09:07 PM
After listening to Sergeants address trainee platoons, and profanity comprising 50% (and often more) of the word count, I realized that it was often being used not only as the obvious adjective, adverb, noun, or verb, but often as punctuation, and occasionally as a dangling participle.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 24, 2024 09:07 PM
After listening to Sergeants address trainee platoons, and profanity comprising 50% (and often more) of the word count, I realized that it was often being used not only as the obvious adjective, adverb, noun, or verb, but often as punctuation, and occasionally as a dangling participle.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2024 09:16 PM (a3Q+t)
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293 Anyone know what rifle, or carbine, U.S. cavalry carried on horseback in the late 1930's?
Posted by: javems
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1903 Springfields if carrying long arms. 1911 pistol if not. US went, like the Brits, to one rifle barrel length with no carbine length for all issue at about the same time--early 1900's.
Just in time before WWI.
Posted by: javems
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1903 Springfields if carrying long arms. 1911 pistol if not. US went, like the Brits, to one rifle barrel length with no carbine length for all issue at about the same time--early 1900's.
Just in time before WWI.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 09:16 PM (uf8KX)
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50 caliber machine gun rounds are also only supposed to be fired at war materials course not people according to the Hague Convention.
Posted by: whig
When I am elected your King, there's gonna be some changes. If I have decided your sh*thole country is a threat to our beloved Nation, there will be no ROE's in place.
At all.
That includes Mexico.
Posted by: whig
When I am elected your King, there's gonna be some changes. If I have decided your sh*thole country is a threat to our beloved Nation, there will be no ROE's in place.
At all.
That includes Mexico.
Posted by: Tonypete at March 24, 2024 09:17 PM (WXNFJ)
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301 Corsicana is in the 4 minute zone for the eclipse.
Posted by: blaster
I was *so* going to be in that area and then the eye doctor scheduled me. Double sigh.
Posted by: blaster
I was *so* going to be in that area and then the eye doctor scheduled me. Double sigh.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 24, 2024 09:17 PM (jQQDB)
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"duelling stance"
reminds me of Bart Simpson's uncle, who had a bumpersticker that said:
"honk if you demand satisfaction"
lol
& now rly g'night!
reminds me of Bart Simpson's uncle, who had a bumpersticker that said:
"honk if you demand satisfaction"
lol
& now rly g'night!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at March 24, 2024 09:17 PM (PFYt9)
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John Kerry is a war criminal !!!!
Posted by: polynikes
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The left should go after him as an eco terrorist as well by flying private jets for all the swank climate confabs he went to.
Posted by: polynikes
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The left should go after him as an eco terrorist as well by flying private jets for all the swank climate confabs he went to.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 09:17 PM (uf8KX)
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OK - 9:19 thank you time!
Thank you!
I sure do appreciate you being here tonight, and hope to see you next Sunday!
Thank you!
I sure do appreciate you being here tonight, and hope to see you next Sunday!
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 09:19 PM (RG6z4)
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Giving thanks to Weasel and to all a good night. Lots to do this next week as it is my last on the job (retirement).
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 09:19 PM (uf8KX)
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 24, 2024 09:20 PM (VoSvm)
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Posted by: javems at March 24, 2024 09:12 PM (8I4hW)
M1903 Springfields. The 1903 (and M1 Garand) were "universal" arms meant for issue to both the infantry and cavalry. By 1940, the 1st Cavalry Division began to re-equip w/ M1s. The 26th Cavalry Regiment in the Philippines kept their M1903s until the unit surrendered in 1942. The M1 Carbine was never designed for, or meant, for horse mounted units. It was meant for support troops who needed something better than a pistol to defend themselves against paratroopers or rampaging panzer grenadiers.
M1903 Springfields. The 1903 (and M1 Garand) were "universal" arms meant for issue to both the infantry and cavalry. By 1940, the 1st Cavalry Division began to re-equip w/ M1s. The 26th Cavalry Regiment in the Philippines kept their M1903s until the unit surrendered in 1942. The M1 Carbine was never designed for, or meant, for horse mounted units. It was meant for support troops who needed something better than a pistol to defend themselves against paratroopers or rampaging panzer grenadiers.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 09:20 PM (yRXSd)
Posted by: polynikes at March 24, 2024 09:21 PM (MNhXM)
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Thanks for hosting, Weasel!
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 09:21 PM (yRXSd)
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congratulations whig!
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 09:21 PM (RG6z4)
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I ignore "No guns" signs all the time. Not saying all y'all should, but it is the WeaselWay.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 08:46 PM (JwHpX)
Getting here late. Evening y'all. Good stuff Weasel, as always.
I also ignore NoGunz signs. About the only place I consider it is the Post Office. And I always do a threat assessment before I go somewhere. This also lets me consider what to carry and why. Plan ahead.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 08:46 PM (JwHpX)
Getting here late. Evening y'all. Good stuff Weasel, as always.
I also ignore NoGunz signs. About the only place I consider it is the Post Office. And I always do a threat assessment before I go somewhere. This also lets me consider what to carry and why. Plan ahead.
Posted by: Diogenes at March 24, 2024 09:21 PM (W/lyH)
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Weasel and Horde, many thanks for another great thread, and for all the encouragement and knowledge y'all share every week.
Is it October yet?
Is it October yet?
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 09:21 PM (+Nu5p)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 24, 2024 09:23 PM (Wnv9h)
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 24, 2024 09:23 PM (V8he0)
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Lots to do this next week as it is my last on the job (retirement).
Posted by: whig
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congrats!!!
Posted by: whig
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congrats!!!
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 09:23 PM (+Nu5p)
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An unconventional response!
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at March 24, 2024 09:23 PM (2yu8s)
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Should have continue with the Winchester 1894.
Posted by: polynikes at March 24, 2024 09:23 PM (MNhXM)
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Is it October yet?
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 09:21 PM (+Nu5p)
Hey now! Some of us aren't bypassing June altogether!
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 09:21 PM (+Nu5p)
Hey now! Some of us aren't bypassing June altogether!
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 09:25 PM (69JzL)
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Congrats, whig. Enjoy.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 24, 2024 09:25 PM (V8he0)
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IIRC Patton probably lost the Olympic Pentathlon because he insisted on using his sidearm which was .38 .
Please correct me if that’s not entirely accurate.
Posted by: polynikes at March 24, 2024 09:09 PM
No bastard ever won an Olympic Pentathlon by shooting his .38 sidearm for his country. He won it by making all the other poor dumb bastards lose for their country.
Please correct me if that’s not entirely accurate.
Posted by: polynikes at March 24, 2024 09:09 PM
No bastard ever won an Olympic Pentathlon by shooting his .38 sidearm for his country. He won it by making all the other poor dumb bastards lose for their country.
Posted by: zombie General George S. Patton at March 24, 2024 09:26 PM (a3Q+t)
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Hey now! Some of us aren't bypassing June altogether!
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 09:25 PM (69JzL)
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That reminds me I need to get busy on those details, with bluebell being locked up again and all.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 09:25 PM (69JzL)
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That reminds me I need to get busy on those details, with bluebell being locked up again and all.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 09:26 PM (JwHpX)
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California says they may cause cancer in mice.
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California says EVERYTHING may cause cancer in mice...and pregnant women. I've yet to reconcile this...
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California says EVERYTHING may cause cancer in mice...and pregnant women. I've yet to reconcile this...
Posted by: Grateful at March 24, 2024 09:27 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Posted by: polynikes at March 24, 2024 09:23 PM (MNhXM)
Winchester tried, with their Model 1895 rifle. But the adoption of spitzer pointed bullets (the "06" in .30-06) spelled the doom of lever action rifles in the military role. The underbarrel magazine didn't go well with centerfire cartridges firing spitzer pointed bullets.
Winchester tried, with their Model 1895 rifle. But the adoption of spitzer pointed bullets (the "06" in .30-06) spelled the doom of lever action rifles in the military role. The underbarrel magazine didn't go well with centerfire cartridges firing spitzer pointed bullets.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 09:27 PM (yRXSd)
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Congratulations, whig!!!!!
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 24, 2024 09:27 PM (dV80I)
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1903 Springfields if carrying long arms. 1911 pistol if not. US went, like the Brits, to one rifle barrel length with no carbine length for all issue at about the same time--early 1900's.
Just in time before WWI.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 09:16 PM (uf8KX)
My Dad rode in the 2nd Cav from 1936 to when they transferred into then 7th for armor training in 1940 or so. I have a bunch of photo's of the 2nd on bivouac but no arms in sight. I do know he carried a 45.
Good to see you whig and thanks.
Just in time before WWI.
Posted by: whig at March 24, 2024 09:16 PM (uf8KX)
My Dad rode in the 2nd Cav from 1936 to when they transferred into then 7th for armor training in 1940 or so. I have a bunch of photo's of the 2nd on bivouac but no arms in sight. I do know he carried a 45.
Good to see you whig and thanks.
Posted by: javems at March 24, 2024 09:28 PM (8I4hW)
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Congratulations, whig!
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 09:28 PM (yRXSd)
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Ben Had, I sent you an email.
Posted by: Gref at March 24, 2024 09:28 PM (5fDan)
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Congrats Whig!
And thanks Weasel and horde for another great gun thread. Looking forward to June and to October!
And thanks Weasel and horde for another great gun thread. Looking forward to June and to October!
Posted by: Grateful at March 24, 2024 09:30 PM (IQ6Gq)
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316 Weasel and Horde, many thanks for another great thread, and for all the encouragement and knowledge y'all share every week.
Is it October yet?
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 09:21 PM
SID, my sister in Lexington County says she does not intend to open carry. But then again she's taller than you.
Is it October yet?
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 09:21 PM
SID, my sister in Lexington County says she does not intend to open carry. But then again she's taller than you.
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 09:31 PM (NxC5+)
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The M1 Carbine was never designed for, or meant, for horse mounted units. It was meant for support troops who needed something better than a pistol to defend themselves against paratroopers or rampaging panzer grenadiers.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 09:20 PM (yRXSd)
Thanks. I was wondering if perhaps they carried the Krag carbine rather than a rifle. He loved the 45.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 09:20 PM (yRXSd)
Thanks. I was wondering if perhaps they carried the Krag carbine rather than a rifle. He loved the 45.
Posted by: javems at March 24, 2024 09:33 PM (8I4hW)
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SID, my sister in Lexington County says she does not intend to open carry. But then again she's taller than you.
Posted by: Eromero
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Everyone is taller than me. Except maybe Sharon.
I also don't intend to open carry. I wouldn't even have done that in Wyoming.
Posted by: Eromero
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Everyone is taller than me. Except maybe Sharon.
I also don't intend to open carry. I wouldn't even have done that in Wyoming.
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 09:33 PM (+Nu5p)
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 09:35 PM (+Nu5p)
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Anyone mention that the food thread had 231 posts? It had challah bread which is pretty good though.
Posted by: TRex at March 24, 2024 09:36 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Librarians, stand up!
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 09:36 PM (NxC5+)
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Anyone know of a way to find out what wt and type of powder is used in specific manufacturer rounds?
Still need to get 2 or three things like calipers and scales but outside of that, have everything I need.
Still have a goodly amount of same lot stuff from long ago and that load would make a great starting point.
Actually doesn't really need changing. MOA.
Still need to get 2 or three things like calipers and scales but outside of that, have everything I need.
Still have a goodly amount of same lot stuff from long ago and that load would make a great starting point.
Actually doesn't really need changing. MOA.
Posted by: TeeJ at March 24, 2024 09:37 PM (dWUm0)
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 09:38 PM (+Nu5p)
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The FoodThread also featured the super-secret WeaselBeenz recipe which should have generated a thousand or more comments.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 09:38 PM (JwHpX)
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The FoodThread also featured the super-secret WeaselBeenz recipe which should have generated a thousand or more comments.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 09:38 PM
A Thread in which I defended you AND your choice of ingredients from CBD, whom I beginning to suspect may be coming under the evil influence of Big Penguin.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 09:38 PM
A Thread in which I defended you AND your choice of ingredients from CBD, whom I beginning to suspect may be coming under the evil influence of Big Penguin.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2024 09:40 PM (a3Q+t)
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I *AM* STANDING UP!
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 09:38 PM
I heard that. Today is my 6th day with hearing aids and I heard stuff in church this morning that was new to me.
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 09:38 PM
I heard that. Today is my 6th day with hearing aids and I heard stuff in church this morning that was new to me.
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 09:40 PM (NxC5+)
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...The FoodThread also featured the super-secret WeaselBeenz recipe which should have generated a thousand or more comments. Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 09:38 PM (JwHpX)
There *were* a thousand comments. But, nobody heard 'em. They were Silent, but Deadly.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
There *were* a thousand comments. But, nobody heard 'em. They were Silent, but Deadly.
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at March 24, 2024 09:40 PM (e6UQI)
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 24, 2024 09:41 PM (PyjuW)
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Librarians, stand up!
Posted by: Eromero
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I *AM* STANDING UP!
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 09:38 PM
Y'all hear sumpin?
Posted by: Eromero
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I *AM* STANDING UP!
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 09:38 PM
Y'all hear sumpin?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2024 09:41 PM (a3Q+t)
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Horton hears a SID.
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 09:43 PM (NxC5+)
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Librarians, stand up!
Posted by: Eromero
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I *AM* STANDING UP!
Posted by: screaming in digital
Oh. Sorry.
Posted by: Eromero
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I *AM* STANDING UP!
Posted by: screaming in digital
Oh. Sorry.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 24, 2024 09:43 PM (jQQDB)
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Omg. I have to make WeaselBeenz! What does FSJ think of WeaselBeenz?
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 24, 2024 09:41 PM (PyjuW)
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When I am dicing the CB I have to make a little separate pile just for him! WB are pretty dang tasty if I do say so myself!
Omg. I have to make WeaselBeenz! What does FSJ think of WeaselBeenz?
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 24, 2024 09:41 PM (PyjuW)
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When I am dicing the CB I have to make a little separate pile just for him! WB are pretty dang tasty if I do say so myself!
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 09:43 PM (JwHpX)
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Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 09:33 PM (+Nu5p)
You really need to get a silencer for your carry weapon, given your profession.
You really need to get a silencer for your carry weapon, given your profession.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 09:43 PM (69JzL)
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The FoodThread also featured the super-secret WeaselBeenz recipe which should have generated a thousand or more comments.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 09:38 PM (JwHpX)
People were too busy writing it down, then running to the store.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 09:38 PM (JwHpX)
People were too busy writing it down, then running to the store.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 09:44 PM (69JzL)
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343 Today is my 6th day with hearing aids and I heard stuff in church this morning that was new to me.
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 09:40 PM
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I heard a debate whether the animal in question was a donkey or a colt. I will admit that I paused for a moment - I've become used to hear "colt" in a gub thread context which is a slightly different usage.
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 09:40 PM
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I heard a debate whether the animal in question was a donkey or a colt. I will admit that I paused for a moment - I've become used to hear "colt" in a gub thread context which is a slightly different usage.
Posted by: TRex at March 24, 2024 09:44 PM (IQ6Gq)
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 09:45 PM (JwHpX)
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What does FSJ think of WeaselBeenz?
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 24, 2024 09:41 PM (PyjuW)
More importantly, what does WW think after Weasel feeds FSJ WeaselBeenz?
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 24, 2024 09:41 PM (PyjuW)
More importantly, what does WW think after Weasel feeds FSJ WeaselBeenz?
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 09:45 PM (69JzL)
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Dang look at the time. I took a nap with two cats today, and drank coffee with supper and will probably stay up reading until 1100. Eye doctor at 0830 in the morning.
'Say, you get drunk last night?'
- eye doctor
'Say, you get drunk last night?'
- eye doctor
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 09:45 PM (NxC5+)
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350 Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 09:33 PM (+Nu5p)
You really need to get a silencer for your carry weapon, given your profession.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 09:43 PM
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Worth checking out...
Bwahahahahah!!!!
(I'll show myself out now...)
You really need to get a silencer for your carry weapon, given your profession.
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 09:43 PM
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Worth checking out...
Bwahahahahah!!!!
(I'll show myself out now...)
Posted by: TRex at March 24, 2024 09:46 PM (IQ6Gq)
357
Horton hears a SID.
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 09:43 PM
Folks who are livin' in tall cotton may not cotton to "A person's a person, no matter how small".
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 09:43 PM
Folks who are livin' in tall cotton may not cotton to "A person's a person, no matter how small".
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2024 09:46 PM (a3Q+t)
358
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 09:43 PM (69JzL)
May I suggest the B&T Station SIX? Available today in 9mm or .45 ACP. Possibly the quietest centerfire pistol on the market today. It may not be terribly practical, but it's pretty quiet when firing subsonic rounds. I did review the 9mm version in the Gun Thread last year.
May I suggest the B&T Station SIX? Available today in 9mm or .45 ACP. Possibly the quietest centerfire pistol on the market today. It may not be terribly practical, but it's pretty quiet when firing subsonic rounds. I did review the 9mm version in the Gun Thread last year.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 09:47 PM (yRXSd)
359
That reminds me I need to get busy on those details, with bluebell being locked up again and all.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 09:26 PM (JwHpX)
OK.
Who ratted Bluebell out to her PO?
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 09:26 PM (JwHpX)
OK.
Who ratted Bluebell out to her PO?
Posted by: Diogenes at March 24, 2024 09:47 PM (W/lyH)
360
350 Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 09:33 PM (+Nu5p)
You really need to get a silencer for your carry weapon, given your profession.
Posted by: GWB at
Bwaaahahahahahahaha
You really need to get a silencer for your carry weapon, given your profession.
Posted by: GWB at
Bwaaahahahahahahaha
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 24, 2024 09:48 PM (PyjuW)
361
A thought or two on the She Equips Herself vid:
I like the Stickey Holsters too, and I am I guy. Fortunately I don’t wear kilts more than once a year, so I don’t have to worry about thigh carry. I also wear Cargoes a lot - both shorts and pants, mostly Duluth Trading Co. If I don’t want to wear a baggy shirt for waist carry, the cargoes work well, using the Stickey Holster in the Cargo Pocket. They already have velcro on the inside if you want to tuck the flap, which helps to retain the Stickey holster if you don’t tuck the flap. The pocket is great level for me with long arms for a quick ergonomic draw. I did paste velcro on one of my Stickey Holsters to increase retention once, but really not necessary, and reholstering is a breeze.
I like the Stickey Holsters too, and I am I guy. Fortunately I don’t wear kilts more than once a year, so I don’t have to worry about thigh carry. I also wear Cargoes a lot - both shorts and pants, mostly Duluth Trading Co. If I don’t want to wear a baggy shirt for waist carry, the cargoes work well, using the Stickey Holster in the Cargo Pocket. They already have velcro on the inside if you want to tuck the flap, which helps to retain the Stickey holster if you don’t tuck the flap. The pocket is great level for me with long arms for a quick ergonomic draw. I did paste velcro on one of my Stickey Holsters to increase retention once, but really not necessary, and reholstering is a breeze.
Posted by: epador at March 24, 2024 09:48 PM (7qcmZ)
362
TRex, our sermon today was on the last 2 verses of Revelation.
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 09:48 PM (NxC5+)
363
Oh, and I carry the 40 cal version - Glock 27 - most of the time.
Posted by: epador at March 24, 2024 09:50 PM (7qcmZ)
364
OK.
Who ratted Bluebell out to her PO?
Posted by: Diogenes at March 24, 2024 09:47 PM (W/lyH)
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She had an outstanding warrant and picked up a resisting charge in the process.
Who ratted Bluebell out to her PO?
Posted by: Diogenes at March 24, 2024 09:47 PM (W/lyH)
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She had an outstanding warrant and picked up a resisting charge in the process.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 09:51 PM (JwHpX)
365
364 OK.
Who ratted Bluebell out to her PO?
Posted by: Diogenes at March 24, 2024 09:47 PM (W/lyH)
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She had an outstanding warrant and picked up a resisting charge in the process.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 09:51 PM
Did she bite anybody? Cause that's just ugly.
Who ratted Bluebell out to her PO?
Posted by: Diogenes at March 24, 2024 09:47 PM (W/lyH)
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She had an outstanding warrant and picked up a resisting charge in the process.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 09:51 PM
Did she bite anybody? Cause that's just ugly.
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 09:52 PM (NxC5+)
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 09:53 PM (JwHpX)
367
She had an outstanding warrant and picked up a resisting charge in the process.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 09:51 PM
So how many arresting officers went to the hospital?
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 09:51 PM
So how many arresting officers went to the hospital?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2024 09:53 PM (a3Q+t)
368
339 Anyone know of a way to find out what wt and type of powder is used in specific manufacturer rounds?
Posted by: TeeJ at March 24, 2024 09:37 PM (dWUm0)
Other than asking the manufacturer, no, and they probably won't tell you. Many powders look identical, so there's no reliable way to identify powder visually. Also, ammunition manufacturers often use powders that are not available to reloaders, so even if you knew exactly what they used, you probably could not get the same powder.
Posted by: TeeJ at March 24, 2024 09:37 PM (dWUm0)
Other than asking the manufacturer, no, and they probably won't tell you. Many powders look identical, so there's no reliable way to identify powder visually. Also, ammunition manufacturers often use powders that are not available to reloaders, so even if you knew exactly what they used, you probably could not get the same powder.
Posted by: BillyD at March 24, 2024 09:53 PM (F6Xpw)
369
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 09:43 PM (69JzL)
Alternatively, there's the B&T "Hush Puppy" Glock 19. B&T modified a Glock 19 with suppressor height sights, a co-witnessed Aimpoint Accro red dot sight, a slide lock to limit noise when firing, and a wipe suppressor.
Alternatively, there's the B&T "Hush Puppy" Glock 19. B&T modified a Glock 19 with suppressor height sights, a co-witnessed Aimpoint Accro red dot sight, a slide lock to limit noise when firing, and a wipe suppressor.
Posted by: Ed L at March 24, 2024 09:55 PM (yRXSd)
370
She had an outstanding warrant and picked up a resisting charge in the process.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 09:51 PM
Did she bite anybody? Cause that's just ugly.
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 09:52 PM (NxC5+)
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A couple of the cops were treated by paramedics at the scene apparently. Not sure of the extent of their injuries.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 09:51 PM
Did she bite anybody? Cause that's just ugly.
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 09:52 PM (NxC5+)
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A couple of the cops were treated by paramedics at the scene apparently. Not sure of the extent of their injuries.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 09:55 PM (JwHpX)
371
She had an outstanding warrant and picked up a resisting charge in the process.
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 09:51 PM
So how many arresting officers went to the hospital?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2024 09:53 PM (a3Q+t)
So next week's food thread will feature how to bake a cake with a file inside?
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 09:51 PM
So how many arresting officers went to the hospital?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 24, 2024 09:53 PM (a3Q+t)
So next week's food thread will feature how to bake a cake with a file inside?
Posted by: Diogenes at March 24, 2024 09:56 PM (W/lyH)
372
Thanks horde. I learned stuff. Thanks for all the wisdom and thanks to Weasel for hosting.
(Off to the good book to refresh my memory on the later parts of Revelation...)
(Off to the good book to refresh my memory on the later parts of Revelation...)
Posted by: TRex at March 24, 2024 09:56 PM (IQ6Gq)
373
345 WeaselBeenz?
Omg. I have to make WeaselBeenz! What does FSJ think of WeaselBeenz?
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 24, 2024 09:41 PM (PyjuW)
We have a strict rule here that dogs don't get beans. Never. Ever.
Omg. I have to make WeaselBeenz! What does FSJ think of WeaselBeenz?
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 24, 2024 09:41 PM (PyjuW)
We have a strict rule here that dogs don't get beans. Never. Ever.
Posted by: BillyD at March 24, 2024 09:56 PM (F6Xpw)
374
So next week's food thread will feature how to bake a cake with a file inside?
Posted by: Diogenes at March 24, 2024 09:56 PM (W/lyH)
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Probably a good idea!
Posted by: Diogenes at March 24, 2024 09:56 PM (W/lyH)
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Probably a good idea!
Posted by: Weasel at March 24, 2024 09:57 PM (JwHpX)
Posted by: TeeJ at March 24, 2024 09:58 PM (dWUm0)
376
Per Breitbart
On Saturday, President Biden’s Department of Justice (DOJ), celebrated the launch of the National Extreme Risk Protection Order Resource Center and the administration’s subsequent pledge of $750 million the Center can use to pursue more red flag laws.
Thanks GOP what could possibly go wrong?
On Saturday, President Biden’s Department of Justice (DOJ), celebrated the launch of the National Extreme Risk Protection Order Resource Center and the administration’s subsequent pledge of $750 million the Center can use to pursue more red flag laws.
Thanks GOP what could possibly go wrong?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at March 24, 2024 09:59 PM (hOUT3)
377
On Saturday, President Biden’s Department of Justice (DOJ), celebrated the launch of the National Extreme Risk Protection Order Resource Center and the administration’s subsequent pledge of $750 million the Center can use to pursue more red flag laws.
Thanks GOP what could possibly go wrong?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar
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NERPORC?
Thanks GOP what could possibly go wrong?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar
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NERPORC?
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 10:00 PM (+Nu5p)
378
Ah, I see someone did get around to it.
Thank you BillyD!!
Thank you BillyD!!
Posted by: TeeJ at March 24, 2024 10:00 PM (dWUm0)
379
NERPORC?
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 10:00 PM (+Nu5p)
You would think they could come up with something catchier!
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 10:00 PM (+Nu5p)
You would think they could come up with something catchier!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at March 24, 2024 10:02 PM (hOUT3)
380
SMITB.
Stab Me In The Back Agency.
Stab Me In The Back Agency.
Posted by: Eromero at March 24, 2024 10:03 PM (NxC5+)
381
NERPORC?
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 10:00 PM (+Nu5p)
You would think they could come up with something catchier!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar
NearPork is a statement all in itself.
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 10:00 PM (+Nu5p)
You would think they could come up with something catchier!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar
NearPork is a statement all in itself.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 24, 2024 10:03 PM (jQQDB)
382
NERPORC?
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 10:00 PM (+Nu5p)
Nah, let the Navy handle that one. The folks who never use a single letter when more will do...
NatExRiProtOResCen
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 10:00 PM (+Nu5p)
Nah, let the Navy handle that one. The folks who never use a single letter when more will do...
NatExRiProtOResCen
Posted by: GWB at March 24, 2024 10:15 PM (69JzL)
383
NatExRiProtOResCen
Posted by: GWB
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Do not take NatExRiProtOResCen if you are allergic to NatExRiProtOResCen...
Posted by: GWB
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Do not take NatExRiProtOResCen if you are allergic to NatExRiProtOResCen...
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 10:18 PM (+Nu5p)
384
Do not take NatExRiProtOResCen if you are allergic to NatExRiProtOResCen...
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 10:18 PM (+Nu5p)...
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 10:18 PM (+Nu5p)
Always thought that should be
"If you survive a deadly allergic reaction to NatExRiProtOResCen, you should not take NatExRiProtOResCen ever again!"
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 10:18 PM (+Nu5p)...
Posted by: screaming in digital at March 24, 2024 10:18 PM (+Nu5p)
Always thought that should be
"If you survive a deadly allergic reaction to NatExRiProtOResCen, you should not take NatExRiProtOResCen ever again!"
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at March 24, 2024 10:42 PM (hOUT3)
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