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Saturday Evening Movie Thread 03/23/2024 [TheJamesMadison]

Pier Paolo Pasolini


Pier Paolo Pasolini was controversial in Italy before he ever started making movies. Writing poetry from his youth, his first novel, Ragazzi di vita, led to lawsuits for obscenity from the Italian government. He entered the Italian film industry doing things like rewriting dialogue on Federico Fellini's Nights of Cabiria, providing a more realistic and lower-class patois, leaning heavily into "lower" Italian dialects, to the characters of prostitutes who populate the film. His first film as director, Accattone, was partially controversial for its heavy use of those same dialects, something completely lost on non-Italian viewers who rely on subtitles. The rest of the controversy was centered around material considered blasphemous.

His career would last another eleven narrative feature films (he would also direct a handful of documentaries on different subjects, sometimes just compiled footage of his efforts to get movies made), and they ran a real gamut. There's one of the greatest religious films ever made in The Gospel According to Matthew. There's a dual narrative film about the decadence and emptiness of the bourgeois classes contrasted with a tale of a medieval cannibal called Pigsty. There's also a trilogy of films called the Trilogy of Life that are adaptations of works by Boccaccio, Chaucer, and the anonymous author of A Thousand and One Nights. In addition, there are some adaptations of Greek Tragedy in Medea and Oedipus Rex.

Through all of this, Pasolini made these films his own. He would later disown the Trilogy of Life, saying that he was too concerned with financial success of the films than the artistic merit to the point where his own voice had been snuffed out, but I think it's still easy to see that they're decidedly Pasolini films. The ideas are still there, just muted and largely relegated to his selection of which of tales in the large volumes he chose to adapt. The ideas, though, stem from the fact that he was a Marxist atheist homosexual who hated Italy as it was, talked about abandoning his Italian citizenship completely, and only ever seemed to have any affection for the downtrodden masses that he almost never made central figures in his own films. It helped that he understood storytelling and the technical side of filmmaking really well on top of that.

Early Career


One thing I learned quickly while watching Pasolini's first two films (Accattone and Momma Roma) was to not call them Italian neo-realist. Italian neo-realism was formed by people like Roberto Rossellini and Vittorio de Sica, and they not only were defined by the production techniques of real-world locations and non-professional actors; they also shared a certain melancholic sentimentality, a trait that Pasolini hated and did not replicate in his own films. These two are films of tragedy and hard-edged looks at Italian life: attacks on the bourgeois as lazy and parasitic in the first and dreams of joining the bourgeois by the lower classes as marred by amoral and un-bourgeois, meaning that bourgeois existence is, at its core, a lie.

The difference between these first two films and his later films is that they're far less didactic in their delivery of the messages. You could watch these as just stories of two people (the pimp of the first and the prostitute of the second) struggling through the travails of poverty in a well-presented portrait of the poorer outskirts of Rome. It takes just the smallest amount of picking at the surface, though to see the Marxist critique of Italian society, though.

The one aspect of his filmmaking techniques here that most fit with the Italian neo-realists was the use of non-professional actors, with a certain ironic twist. All of the actors in his first film were non-professional, but the star of Accattone, Franco Citti, became a regular actor for him and even had a successful acting career that lasted until the late 90s (he's in The Godfather and The Godfather Part III even). He would use an established actress, Anna Magnani, as the central performer in Mamma Roma, a decision he would regret during filming since she was so big in her performance in contrast with the smaller, more naturalistic feel of the rest of the non-professional cast around her.

The Gospel, Myth, and Literature


Having met almost nothing but controversy throughout his career, especially from the more traditional and conservative sectors of Italian society up to and including the Catholic Church, his third film is as strict a telling of one of the gospels as one could possible fit into roughly 130 minutes of screentime. The Gospel According to Matthew was born of some time Pasolini spent in Assisi, stuck in his hotel room because the pope was visiting and tying up all traffic, leaving him to read the gospels through, choosing Matthew as the one that most aligned with his narrative sensibilities. He met with church officials to ensure that his take was in line with the religious tradition, though he didn't remove himself completely from those decisions. It was a conscious effort on his part to, as he put it, make a film so reverent that it "could be shown on Easter Sunday in all the parish cinemas in Italy and the world."

The film even begins with a joyous dedication to Pope John XXIII.

How could a man so dedicated to Marxism, who had been in public opposition to the Catholic Church for a variety of reasons, and an atheist bring together the elements to create a reverent portrait of the life of Jesus Christ? Well, because he was concerned with telling the story first and foremost, not changing it to meet his own ideology. You can see this in his mythic films and the Trilogy of Life as well (though, as previously mentioned, his ideology isn't completely subsumed). The Gospel According to Matthew is proof that Pasolini was a very good storyteller without considering his ideological bent.

The one film that feels more removed from his ideological concerns that still seems to concern Pasolini personally is Oedipus Rex, the film he called his most personal. Now, as a homosexual, I don't think he had feelings of that sort for his mother, but, while the bulk of the film is shot like it happens in the ancient past (using locations in Morocco), the bookends of the film are set in 1920s and contemporary Italy. The early section is all about how much he hated his father, an Italian military officer (who reportedly once saved Benito Mussolini's life). The last section shows Oedipus wandering the streets with a flute, unheard and abused by the few who notice him, only protected by his faithful companion played by Ninetto Davoli, Pasolini's real-life lover with whom he lived for a decade.

Ideology


As well established, Pasolini was a full-blown Marxist, and nothing was going to shake him of those beliefs. His ideological films (most of them, to be honest) are never positive affirmations of the new communist future awaiting humanity should they embrace the true utopianism. No, he wasn't even interested in portraying the New Socialist Man, a narrative conceit put out by the Frankfurt School to create flawless main characters who represented that utopianism (Dalton Trumbo used this a lot and his version of the New Socialist Man can be seen clearly in movies like Spartacus). His characters were awful, terrible people (Accattone is a pimp and, over the course of his film, forces an innocent woman into prostitution) because they were mainly critiques of the bourgeois. Accattone, for instance, is obviously meant to be part of a class that simply feeds off the work of others, his effort to actually work one day in his life late in the film ending in such failure that he can only resort to actual thievery to try and survive any longer.

Pasolini seems to have gone through a massive ideological crisis in the mid-60s, though. The event that caused him such consternation was the death of Palmiro Togliatti, the leader of the Italian Communist Party (an organization, by the way, that kicked Pasolini out because of his homosexuality). I haven't read much in terms of biography of him (he's actually well-documented with a good number of texts having been written about his life and work), so this is only based on his films themselves. However, it's really hard to miss when you consider the actual content of The Hawks and the Sparrows.

That film has one of Pasolini's images that edges into the blasphemous (there is a central trio of a father, son, and...talking crow who is described as "a left-wing intellectual of the kind found living before Palmiro Togliatti's death"). That crow in the parenthetical is obviously a stand-in for Pasolini on a certain level, and the marker in the intertitle that introduces him (that quote is directly from the film) marks Togliatti's death explicitly. The film even includes footage from his funeral late in a montage. That death marked a change in his thinking which didn't lead to him denouncing Marxism or communism. Instead, it made his existing habit of critique of the bourgeois even more stringent in form.

That would continue through Teorema (meaning Theorem) and Pigsty. The first is the more interesting and successful, introducing a bourgeois family (its father figure owns a factory who gives it away in the prologue that probably actually happens late in the film, though it's never given direct context) whose lives are completely undone by the introduction of a mysterious visitor played by Terrence Stamp. He awakens them (mostly sexually), and then, when the Visitor vanishes for no reason, the family simply descends into various forms of madness to show their lives had been empty without meaning. The second, Pigsty is more narratively ambitious with dual narratives, one set in medieval times, mostly wordless, about a cannibal, and the other is a fast-talking tale of a bourgeois family in West Germany dealing with the father's efforts to destroy his rival and the son's descent into a catatonic state when his girlfriend doesn't stay by his side (this is heavily inspired by Godard's La Chinoise). Both solely exist as critiques of the bourgeois, and they are only saved at all by the fact that Pasolini was just really good at making movies (I don't think Pigsty quite comes together, but it's got some good laughs along the way).

All Roads Lead to Salo


After the Trilogy of Life, his only real effort at commercial success that did actually work quite well, Pasolini was set on creating a follow up in the form of the Trilogy of Death, the first of which was Salo: Or 120 Days of Sodom based on the work by the Marquis de Sade. One of the reasons I was so interested in exploring the work of Pasolini was getting to this film mostly because it's such an interesting contrast to The Gospel According to Matthew. The earlier film was an earnest and straightforward depiction of the life of Christ done so well that it really could be shown in all the churches of Italy and the world on Easter Sunday. The latter film is...very different.

Salo tells the story of four Libertines who seemingly hold power within the Fascist Party of Italy in the latter years of WWII. They kidnap eighteen young men and women, take them to a remote villa where they follow through on any perversions that come to them, keeping the eighteen in tight boxes of behavior that, if they deviate, will lead to punishment. Supported by some older boys in military uniforms and a handful of older women (all prostitutes), they tell stories of debauchery while engaging is disgusting, sickening acts on screen, including an extended section about the joys of eating feces. It's just straight up revolting.

Within the context of Pasolini's career, especially after his frustration with the financial success of the Trilogy of Life and its relationship to his feeling that he had pushed aside his own creative voice in pursuit of it, Salo makes a lot of sense. It's a continuation of the anti-bourgeois and anti-Fascist sentiments that had colored his career since Accattone. In the face of his ideological crisis and a reaction to his voice being pushed aside, of course the critique would only get increasingly strident in form. It's hard to imagine where else he would have gone had he not been murdered (most likely by a young man he was trying to pick up, never mind the Italian left's desperate efforts to turn him into a martyr for their cause), but it's hard to imagine his films becoming more accessible. Considering his deep affection for Jean-Luc Godard's work, it's easy to imagine Pasolini following a similar path where he could get funding for his very small movies while no one would really care or note their releases. Godard was making movies until he died last year (he still has, apparently, a couple left to release posthumously), but his era of serious attention ended in the 70s. I could see Pasolini, had he not died, doing the same thing.

Recommendations...?


That's hard because, well, Pasolini was a good filmmaker, but he was also deeply ideological while his final film devolved into thinly veiled and largely uninteresting shock (I genuinely hate Salo, though it does have its defenders for some reason). Is there stuff to get out of this?

Well, the obvious start is The Gospel According to Matthew. For those with very long memories, I've actually recommended it before, four or five years ago, and it's just as great now as when I first discovered it then. From there, I'd have to get a bit more prescriptive. The one film outside of that first recommendation that I'd be most willing to suggest to most people is The Hawks and the Sparrows. Yes, it's ideological and requires some knowledge on who the heck Togliatti was, but it's really fun to watch, helped in no small part by one of the most playful scores Ennio Morricone ever wrote.

Outside of those two, however, it gets far more narrow. The Trilogy of Life would be largely general audience type films, except they're FULL of sex and nudity, and not just bewbage (it falls short of any actual penetration, which is nice). His first two films (Accattone and Momma Roma) are two of his best, but they're about terrible people in general. I'd recommend them to someone already comfortable with 60s style European cinema. The last one I would consider would be Oedipus Rex which has that large central section that's just a good retelling of the play by Sophocles except it has those bookends that require explanation.

So, it was an interesting run. I saw some new films I liked that I'd never seen before. I did have to revisit Salo, which was a struggle, but I also got to revisit The Gospel According to Matthew which was a joy.

Movies of Today

Opening in Theaters:

Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire

Movies I Saw This Fortnight:

Pigsty (Rating 2.5/4) Full Review "There was real thought that went into the film's construction, but Pasolini's hatred was the motivating factor of the film, not telling a story." [Personal Collection]

Medea (Rating 2.5/4) Full Review "Seriously, twenty minutes or so on the cutting room floor, and I think Pasolini has a well assembled retelling of the ancient story. At this length, though? It just doesn't quite do what it needs to." [Personal Collection]

The Canterbury Tales (Rating 3/4) Full Review "It's light. It's fun. It's colorful. I had a good time with it." [Personal Collection]

Arabian Nights (Rating 3/4) Full Review "Still, it was light and amusing." [Personal Collection]

Salo or 120 Days of Sodom (Rating 0.5/4) Full Review "So, it's intentionally repellent, but it's still repellent. It's an awful spectacle with little to say and little to offer an audience. It's a bad film. It may be intentionally a bad film, but it's still a bad film." [Archive.org]

Conan the Barbarian (Rating 3.5/4) Full Review Still, the overall package is something that I just completely gravitate towards. The music. The magic. The adventure. It has just about everything I want from a fantasy film." [Personal Collection]

Conan the Destroyer (Rating 2.5/4) Full Review "So, it's a mixed bag, and I feel like I like it a bit more than I should. It's not a good film, but I get a kick out of a good chunk of it." [Personal Collection]

Conan the Barbarian (Rating 2/4) Full Review "It's not good, but it's really not terrible. It's okay. There have been far worse adaptations of Howard's work. This is no Kull the Conqueror." [Personal Collection]

Contact

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My next post will be on 4/13, and it will talk about the films directed by George A. Romero.

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Comments

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1 First!!

Posted by: LASue at March 23, 2024 07:44 PM (Ed8Zd)

2 A news story from today.

Film collector spends $20, discovers long-lost 100-year-old Clara Bow film at parking lot auction

https://tinyurl.com/2w2eak6y

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at March 23, 2024 07:45 PM (FVME7)

3 Now off to read the post...

Posted by: LASue at March 23, 2024 07:45 PM (Ed8Zd)

4 2 A news story from today.

Film collector spends $20, discovers long-lost 100-year-old Clara Bow film at parking lot auction

https://tinyurl.com/2w2eak6y
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at March 23, 2024 07:45 PM (FVME7)

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I saw that. I've only seen one Clara Bow film (Wings), and I understood why they called her the It Girl.

The discovered film is a short, but I'd be interested to see it once it got some sort of release.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 07:46 PM (GBKbO)

5 Good evening everyone

Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2024 07:46 PM (fwDg9)

6 Tickets please!

Posted by: Tonypete at March 23, 2024 07:51 PM (WXNFJ)

7 Jut got back from the theater, where I saw "Late Night With the Devil" starring David Dastmalchian as a 70's late night host desperate to boost ratings. He books a parapsychologist and her young charge, a girl who was held at a satanic cult and has picked up (they claim) a resident demon. Shit starts to go sideways on the Halloween broadcast when the demon gets loose and wreaks havoc on set (as they are wont to do).

But it makes for great t.v.! Ratings are through the roof!

Nice feel for that cheesy 70's video look. Good performances by all, especially the guy who plays the professional skeptic.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 23, 2024 07:52 PM (3e3hy)

8 7 But it makes for great t.v.! Ratings are through the roof!

Nice feel for that cheesy 70's video look. Good performances by all, especially the guy who plays the professional skeptic.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 23, 2024 07:52 PM (3e3hy)

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I've been wanting to see that.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 07:52 PM (GBKbO)

9 The Gospel is rentable on amazon for $3 Seems like a bargain

Posted by: LASue at March 23, 2024 07:52 PM (Ed8Zd)

10 What?

Posted by: Jamaica at March 23, 2024 07:52 PM (IG7T0)

11 Salo or 120 Days of Sodom

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I've seen opinion that this is the most disgusting film ever made. Since current media is more than disgusting enough for my taste, I made a mental note to pass this one by.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at March 23, 2024 07:53 PM (FVME7)

12 It was nice to see the theater bustling. I got the last seat at my movie's showing.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 23, 2024 07:53 PM (3e3hy)

13 Pasolini's "The Third Test Match" is pretty good.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 23, 2024 07:53 PM (CHHv1)

14 11 Salo or 120 Days of Sodom

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I've seen opinion that this is the most disgusting film ever made. Since current media is more than disgusting enough for my taste, I made a mental note to pass this one by.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at March 23, 2024 07:53 PM (FVME7)

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From what I understand, it's either Salo or A Serbian Film. I have no plans on discovering A Serbian Film.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 07:54 PM (GBKbO)

15 Eris @ 7 -
We call that F.A.F.O.

Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2024 07:54 PM (NxC5+)

16 13 Pasolini's "The Third Test Match" is pretty good.
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 23, 2024 07:53 PM (CHHv1)

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lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX2YF4HDh74

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 07:54 PM (GBKbO)

17 Howdy, Skip.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 23, 2024 07:55 PM (V8he0)

18 I saw "Salo" just out of morbid curiosity. Blecch.

Might be fun to host a "dinner and a movie" night. Who wants chocolate pudding?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 23, 2024 07:55 PM (3e3hy)

19 Pasolini sounds like exhausting. Too bad everyone else isn't as absorbed in him as he was.

Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at March 23, 2024 07:55 PM (UWRAE)

20 So lost films still can be found

Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2024 07:55 PM (fwDg9)

21 I've seen opinion that this is the most disgusting film ever made. Since current media is more than disgusting enough for my taste, I made a mental note to pass this one by.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at March 23, 2024 07:53 PM (FVME7)

Just reading the wikipedia synopsis of this and the serbian film made me want to go off to a hermitage.

Vile stuff.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 23, 2024 07:57 PM (di6C2)

22 19 Pasolini sounds like exhausting. Too bad everyone else isn't as absorbed in him as he was.
Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at March 23, 2024 07:55 PM (UWRAE)

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I wouldn't go that far.

The Hawks and the Sparrows is just delightful. The Trilogy of Life is largely fun (they do edge pretty far into "shock the squares" territory, especially the first, The Decameron, but they're also largely light entertainments).

But it's very hard to get past his intense ideological roots. He's the Italian Godard. It's not my favorite kind of filmmaker, but I always think there's room for it somewhere.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 07:58 PM (GBKbO)

23 The original Paolo, eh?

Posted by: look whats not at March 23, 2024 07:58 PM (nakGR)

24 Film for shock value taken to the logical conclusion.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 23, 2024 07:58 PM (di6C2)

25 We call that F.A.F.O.
Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2024 07:54 PM (NxC5+)
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The Irish Catholic co-host begged him not to mess with things he doesn't understand, but do they ever listen?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 23, 2024 07:58 PM (3e3hy)

26 20 So lost films still can be found
Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2024 07:55 PM (fwDg9)

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One down, 9,999,999 to go!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 07:58 PM (GBKbO)

27 JM I’m glad you can research and provide your opinion on these film makers. It’s good that 30 somethings advance historic knowledge for all subjects.

Because if it was up to me a Marxist , atheist homosexual filmmaker would be part of forgotten history. That’s not good so why I’m glad others can do it.

Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2024 07:58 PM (MNhXM)

28 27 JM I’m glad you can research and provide your opinion on these film makers. It’s good that 30 somethings advance historic knowledge for all subjects.

Because if it was up to me a Marxist , atheist homosexual filmmaker would be part of forgotten history. That’s not good so why I’m glad others can do it.

Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2024 07:58 PM (MNhXM)

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I say it in the post, but the center of the interest was that he made The Gospel According to Matthew, which is genuinely one of the best religious films ever made.

That's a fascinating contrast.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:00 PM (GBKbO)

29
he was a Marxist atheist homosexual

Maybe a fit for Disney.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 23, 2024 08:00 PM (63Dwl)

30 I say it in the post, but the center of the interest was that he made The Gospel According to Matthew, which is genuinely one of the best religious films ever made.

That's a fascinating contrast.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:00 PM (GBKbO)

Why? I would take it as an example of the Joss Whedon rule. Whedon is a liberal pos, however, he made Serenity- which does a pretty great job of encapsulating the horror of a liberal superstate.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 23, 2024 08:02 PM (di6C2)

31 "How could a man so dedicated to Marxism, who had been in public opposition to the Catholic Church for a variety of reasons, and an atheist bring together the elements to..."

...become Pope?

This too, is the story of Pope Francis.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 08:03 PM (zsFYN)

32 I got nothing.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 23, 2024 08:03 PM (66Dq6)

33 Neo has a thread up on the magic of Buster Keaton and why he was a comic master, good short video

Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2024 08:04 PM (fwDg9)

34 Ben, that never keeps us from commenting!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 23, 2024 08:04 PM (3e3hy)

35 30 Why? I would take it as an example of the Joss Whedon rule. Whedon is a liberal pos, however, he made Serenity- which does a pretty great job of encapsulating the horror of a liberal superstate.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 23, 2024 08:02 PM (di6C2)

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It's rare to find an artist who can walk into an ideological and religious place he disagrees with and make something as though he earnestly believed it.

Especially in a space where the director is king like independent film in Italy during the 60s. Whedon's Serenity is a good example in the same vein as well.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:05 PM (GBKbO)

36 * waves to Eris*

Posted by: Ben Had at March 23, 2024 08:05 PM (66Dq6)

37 Just reading the wikipedia synopsis of this and the serbian film made me want to go off to a hermitage.

Vile stuff.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

So to be re-released exclusively on Disney +!

Posted by: Tonypete at March 23, 2024 08:06 PM (WXNFJ)

38 Why? I would take it as an example of the Joss Whedon rule. Whedon is a liberal pos, however, he made Serenity- which does a pretty great job of encapsulating the horror of a liberal superstate.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 23, 2024 08:02 PM (di6C2)

Is the Whedon rule The unintentional making of a movie that is the opposite of your political viewpoint/?

Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2024 08:07 PM (MNhXM)

39 To be honest, I find the Italians too frenetic. Fellini is supposed to be the greatest of the Dago filmmakers, and I finally decided after several tries, I'm not interested.

Maybe not fair to this guy to judge him on that, but there it is.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 08:07 PM (zsFYN)

40 The same word can have different meaning or value according to the writer. It was necessary to scroll back up to see who was writing this article.

Posted by: Braenyard at March 23, 2024 08:07 PM (iD+Ae)

41 Why? I would take it as an example of the Joss Whedon rule. Whedon is a liberal pos, however, he made Serenity- which does a pretty great job of encapsulating the horror of a liberal superstate.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 23, 2024 08:02 PM (di6C2)

Maybe because, deep down, Marxists and atheists know they're wrong.

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at March 23, 2024 08:07 PM (OX9vb)

42 Is the Whedon rule The unintentional making of a movie that is the opposite of your political viewpoint/?
Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2024 08:07 PM (MNhXM)

If so, Barbie might be the best example.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 08:08 PM (zsFYN)

43 38 Is the Whedon rule The unintentional making of a movie that is the opposite of your political viewpoint/?
Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2024 08:07 PM (MNhXM)

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I remember reading that Whedon never really liked Mal as a character, and it was largely the other executive producer of Firefly, Tim Minear, who gave the character life.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:08 PM (GBKbO)

44 Maybe because, deep down, Marxists and atheists know they're wrong.
Posted by: Dash my lace wigs!

Exactly!!

Posted by: Tonypete at March 23, 2024 08:09 PM (WXNFJ)

45 Unintentional being the key word. If so they get no credit from me.

Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2024 08:09 PM (MNhXM)

46 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HbIGk6zH_k

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 23, 2024 08:10 PM (9isyS)

47 It's rare to find an artist who can walk into an ideological and religious place he disagrees with and make something as though he earnestly believed it.

Especially in a space where the director is king like independent film in Italy during the 60s. Whedon's Serenity is a good example in the same vein as well.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:05 PM (GBKbO)

Perhaps, but I think we sometimes assume that people of the past (or even now) do not understand the things they hate/disagree with. Rejection does not imply ignorance, it is just the common currency of today- and that is intentional. Modern asshats disregard things they do not agree with without having knowledge of the thing.

This director was from a different era when that WAS the dominant culture however. He would have had knowledge of it. He may have disagreed with or hated the subject material, but it could also have been something like he also saw the beauty within it because he knew it. He saw how it affected others and maybe even envied it a bit. He was able to channel that knowledge into something.

Just talking out my ass here.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 23, 2024 08:11 PM (di6C2)

48 Whedon's Serenity is a good example in the same vein as well.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:05 PM (GBKbO)

Of course, it is possible Whedon doesn't mean half the shit that comes out of his mouth, and his work might be a more accurate representative of his views.

It's also possible he got caught up in the #metoo movement by actresses are lousy human beings themselves, who didn't like him because he didn't cowtow to them. From what I read, the accusations were mostly vague, other than he told Charisma Carpenter she was getting fat because she decided to get pregnant.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 08:11 PM (zsFYN)

49 Oy. Gay Marxist Atheist filmmaker. At least the Italians eventually killed him.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 23, 2024 08:12 PM (xcxpd)

50 Is the Whedon rule The unintentional making of a movie that is the opposite of your political viewpoint/?
Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2024 08:07 PM (MNhXM)

Yes. Death of the Author is another usage I have seen for the concept. When the work takes on a life that was never intended by the creator.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 23, 2024 08:12 PM (di6C2)

51 I watched Once upon a Time in America and Once Upon a Time in the West back to back last week.

I guess I’m too American because the pace of his movies are off putting to me.

Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2024 08:13 PM (MNhXM)

52 47 This director was from a different era when that WAS the dominant culture however. He would have had knowledge of it. He may have disagreed with or hated the subject material, but it could also have been something like he also saw the beauty within it because he knew it. He saw how it affected others and maybe even envied it a bit. He was able to channel that knowledge into something.

Just talking out my ass here.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 23, 2024 08:11 PM (di6C2)

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You're not wrong. Italy in the 60s was still deeply religious. He grew up in Italy during the 20s and 30s. He was raised Catholic. He just grew to reject it.

It's not about knowledge, but about taking months of ones life, a set amount of work an artist can do, and throw himself into it so fully, all in service to something he rejected.

On a certain level, it's "shut up and make the movie."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:13 PM (GBKbO)

53 his director was from a different era when that WAS the dominant culture however. He would have had knowledge of it. He may have disagreed with or hated the subject material, but it could also have been something like he also saw the beauty within it because he knew it. He saw how it affected others and maybe even envied it a bit. He was able to channel that knowledge into something.

Just talking out my ass here.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 23, 2024 08:11 PM (di6C2)

I take it he was closeted, but perhaps like today's Hollowood, his "marxist" leanings were the coin of the realm in which he operated. We hear there are plenty of people these days in Hollowood who are closeted conservatives. Maybe this guy was double closeted.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 08:14 PM (zsFYN)

54 Oy. Gay Marxist Atheist filmmaker. At least the Italians eventually killed him.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo

Never go in against a Sicilian, when death is on the line!

Posted by: Tonypete at March 23, 2024 08:14 PM (WXNFJ)

55 "His first film as director, Accattone, was partially controversial for its heavy use of those same dialects, something completely lost on non-Italian viewers who rely on subtitles. The rest of the controversy was centered around material considered blasphemous."
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I recently saw the excellent "Young Cassidy", a fictionalized account of Sean O'Casey's early life. One of Cassidy's plays was booed mercilessly for having low-life characters like, gasp, prostitutes, and for its "vernacular" dialog. "Blasphemy!" A pince-nezed Yeats called the audience savages.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 23, 2024 08:14 PM (3e3hy)

56 49 Oy. Gay Marxist Atheist filmmaker. At least the Italians eventually killed him.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at March 23, 2024 08:12 PM (xcxpd)

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My last post, I asked the commenters if they wanted to read about Pasolini or something else.

I didn't get a single "something else." So, I blame everyone but myself.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:15 PM (GBKbO)

57 Mel Gibson, surprise genius!

Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2024 08:15 PM (NxC5+)

58 TJM, thank you for another great movie thread.

I love film. My baby brother loves it even more. You and he would get along famously. Brother has a really good screenplay working, but also has a really busy career as well as being a father.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, My Two Cents at March 23, 2024 08:16 PM (MvA9C)

59 57 Mel Gibson, surprise genius!
Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2024 08:15 PM (NxC5+)

Gibson is a great example of the fine line between genius and insanity. He's unstable, but also brilliant.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 23, 2024 08:17 PM (di6C2)

60 Eromero, agreed. Can't wait to see the Resurrection movie.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 23, 2024 08:18 PM (66Dq6)

61 Oy. Gay Marxist Atheist filmmaker. At least the Italians eventually killed him.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo
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Never go in against a Sicilian, when death is on the line!
Posted by: Tonypete at March 23, 2024 08:14 PM (WXNFJ)

Of course, if he was killed by a young male he was trying to seduce, saying "the Italians" killed him is sorta like saying the young gay black prostitutes Ed Buck and Adam Schiff killed were killed by "the Americans."

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 08:19 PM (zsFYN)

62 Ben Had , I sended you a picture from my steam-powered telephone.

Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2024 08:20 PM (NxC5+)

63 My last post, I asked the commenters if they wanted to read about Pasolini or something else.

I didn't get a single "something else." So, I blame everyone but myself.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:15 PM (GBKbO)

Just like what happened to poor E. Coli Carroll. Trump asked if she wanted him to rape her or something else, and she didn't say "something else."

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 08:21 PM (zsFYN)

64 I like reading some behind the camera, I love movies but don't know much what goes into making them.

Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2024 08:21 PM (fwDg9)

65 I didn't get a single "something else." So, I blame everyone but myself.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:15 PM (GBKbO)

I was serious when I said it’s good that you do these posts . Let the Left erase or ignore history about people they don’t like. I couldn’t do it but I’m glad others will so I can educate myself on a subject I would never seek out.

Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2024 08:22 PM (MNhXM)

66 Just talking out my ass here.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

Ew.

Now we're gonna get poop in our ears !

Posted by: JT at March 23, 2024 08:23 PM (T4tVD)

67 Did an IMDB pull on "A Serbian Film" and the "you may also like!" list included "Human Centipede", "Salo", and "Cannibal Holocaust". Now that's a film festival there.

Read the synopsis and noped out.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 23, 2024 08:24 PM (3e3hy)

68 TJM,not much consolation but I'm reading your book.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 23, 2024 08:24 PM (66Dq6)

69 Read the synopsis and noped out.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 23, 2024 08:24 PM (3e3hy)

Wise choice.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 23, 2024 08:25 PM (di6C2)

70 Hiya James Monroe !

Posted by: JT at March 23, 2024 08:25 PM (T4tVD)

71 How could a man so dedicated to Marxism, who had been in public opposition to the Catholic Church for a variety of reasons, and an atheist bring together the elements to..."

...become Pope?

This too, is the story of Pope Francis.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 08:03 PM (zsFYN)

*golf clap*

Posted by: LASue at March 23, 2024 08:25 PM (Ed8Zd)

72 67 Did an IMDB pull on "A Serbian Film" and the "you may also like!" list included "Human Centipede", "Salo", and "Cannibal Holocaust". Now that's a film festival there.

Read the synopsis and noped out.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 23, 2024 08:24 PM (3e3hy)

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Human Centipede is not only gross but also inept. It's just kind of terrible. Never seen the sequels.

One day, I'll see Cannibal Holocaust.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:25 PM (GBKbO)

73 Saw the trailer for Furiosa, that movie is going to bomb so hard that the producers of Heaven's Gate are going to throw a party in celebration.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 23, 2024 08:26 PM (XV/Pl)

74 68 TJM,not much consolation but I'm reading your book.
Posted by: Ben Had at March 23, 2024 08:24 PM (66Dq6)

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I hope you enjoy it!

(and rate it highly, and review it favorably)

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:26 PM (GBKbO)

75 Ok back to movies...

I've been on my Stanwyck kick lately, and watched "Ladies of Leisure." It's her first big starring role, and she looks so young, but was early 20s by that time. Having started as a Ziegfeld girl when she was 16, she wasn't a stranger to show business, and this movies doesn't exactly say she her character was a prostitute. But the come as close as possible to doing so.

It's a melodrama, but a remarkably good one. She is so damn good, it's astonishing how much she already "has it" by this point in her career. There's an emotional power punch to it, anyone who thinks they didn't know about that stuff back then, well...

It's directed by Capra, and apparently he was pissed he didn't get an Oscar nomination for it, and expected she would have gotten one too. Neither of them did, and it's said that's why he decided to work his way up the ladder of the Academy, so he wouldn't get shafted again.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 08:26 PM (5v131)

76 70 Hiya James Monroe !
Posted by: JT at March 23, 2024 08:25 PM (T4tVD)

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*waves enthusiastically*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:26 PM (GBKbO)

77 75 It's directed by Capra, and apparently he was pissed he didn't get an Oscar nomination for it, and expected she would have gotten one too. Neither of them did, and it's said that's why he decided to work his way up the ladder of the Academy, so he wouldn't get shafted again.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 08:26 PM (5v131)

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So good, I should write a post about it!

(just teasing)

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:27 PM (GBKbO)

78 There's a story about James Cameron having a bout of food poisoning that put him through the wringer. He woke up from a horrific nightmare about machines destroying humanity and hammered out the outline for Terminator.

It also reminds me of the really screwed up sequences in the Hell dimension from Event Horizon. The synopsis of the Serbian film made me think of that.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 23, 2024 08:27 PM (di6C2)

79 Saw the trailer for Furiosa, that movie is going to bomb so hard that the producers of Heaven's Gate are going to throw a party in celebration.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 23, 2024 08:26 PM (XV/Pl)

Is it a prequel or sequel?

Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2024 08:27 PM (MNhXM)

80 79 Saw the trailer for Furiosa, that movie is going to bomb so hard that the producers of Heaven's Gate are going to throw a party in celebration.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 23, 2024 08:26 PM (XV/Pl)

Is it a prequel or sequel?
Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2024 08:27 PM (MNhXM)

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Prequel. I'm guessing it ends right before Fury Road starts.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:28 PM (GBKbO)

81 Pasolini "Matthew" is colorized and on FreeVee. I am up to the Temptation. Amazon Prime has lots of Gospel adaptions..

Posted by: Jamaica at March 23, 2024 08:29 PM (IG7T0)

82 I think Jason Mamoas 15 minutes are up, he's also decided to go on the Russel Crowe diet plan.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 23, 2024 08:29 PM (XV/Pl)

83 73 Saw the trailer for Furiosa, that movie is going to bomb so hard that the producers of Heaven's Gate are going to throw a party in celebration.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 23, 2024 08:26 PM (XV/Pl)

I liked that they said it was... cannot remember the phrasing perfectly 'Mad Max World' thing. If the character was so popular and therefore gets her own movie and Mad Max is not even in it, why not just dispense with that? Why? Because they cannot create anything that can stand on it's own two feet. They HAVE to glom on to established properties (or the suits think they have to.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 23, 2024 08:29 PM (di6C2)

84 Gay Marxist Atheist filmmaker.

What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 23, 2024 08:29 PM (V8he0)

85 82 I think Jason Mamoas 15 minutes are up, he's also decided to go on the Russel Crowe diet plan.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 23, 2024 08:29 PM (XV/Pl)

Should have used the steroid plan Sylvester Stallone has used all this time.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 23, 2024 08:30 PM (di6C2)

86 TJM @ 56-
If you would just adapt whatever current notion is swirling around, and quit having whatever sensation you think makes you special, you could learn to love Big Brother. Or, you could just periodically get drunk, like me.

Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2024 08:31 PM (NxC5+)

87 It also reminds me of the really screwed up sequences in the Hell dimension from Event Horizon. The synopsis of the Serbian film made me think of that.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at March 23, 2024 08:27 PM (di6C2)

Just because any time Event Horizon is mentioned I have to

Pandorum >> Event Horizon

Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2024 08:31 PM (MNhXM)

88 The other movie I saw last weekend also blew me away: Gilda.

I don't believe I've ever seen a Rita Hayward film before... now I understand why she was considered a sex symbol. Her stills don't do her justice.

Egad, I found myself with more than a few "oh my gosh" moments, being shocked the "went there" in the film. No punches are pulled.

And the other thing that surprised me, I don't believe I've ever seen a young Glenn Ford in anything either. He's terrific. The two of them... quite a duo on screen, so much so there were people at the time who thought they must have been having an affair off-screen, but apparently they weren't.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 08:32 PM (GtZ7X)

89 Anybody seen the new "Road House" yet? Or will admit to it?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 23, 2024 08:32 PM (3e3hy)

90 89 Anybody seen the new "Road House" yet? Or will admit to it?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 23, 2024 08:32 PM (3e3hy)

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Ace has. He gave it a sentence in the sidebar.

He liked it.

I've never even seen the original, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:32 PM (GBKbO)

91 This is one of your better posts.

Posted by: Jamaica at March 23, 2024 08:34 PM (IG7T0)

92 I will never see the new Road House. Doing that only encourages them.

Remakes and reboots are the final redoubt of the uncreative.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 23, 2024 08:34 PM (9isyS)

93 So good, I should write a post about it!

(just teasing)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:27 PM (GBKbO)

Uh oh, did you? I don't always catch the Saturday evening threads. I would say I have a life, but that would be at least partially untrue.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 08:34 PM (K8TIL)

94 92 I will never see the new Road House. Doing that only encourages them.

Remakes and reboots are the final redoubt of the uncreative.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 23, 2024 08:34 PM (9isyS)

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I'm just hoping for another version of A Star is Born before the end of the decade!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:35 PM (GBKbO)

95 @89

>>Anybody seen the new "Road House" yet? Or will admit to it?

I am liberating it from the internets as we speak, I've heard good things about it.

Overall, I like Jake Gyllenhall, except in Night Crawler and that was mostly the soundtrack and the fact that I just could not get into the film no matter how hard I tried.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 23, 2024 08:35 PM (XV/Pl)

96 I've never even seen the original, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:32 PM (GBKbO)

You’ve watched The Human Centipede but have never watched Road House?

WTF?

Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2024 08:36 PM (MNhXM)

97 That young scamp Ace loves the old stuff. The 80's is his Spirit Decade.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 23, 2024 08:36 PM (3e3hy)

98 I've never even seen the original, though.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:32 PM (GBKbO)

Anyone who says the original is a good film is lying.

It can be fun to watch, but that doesn't mean it's good.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 08:36 PM (K8TIL)

99 Movie night. Seven Brides for Seven Brothers. Bless your beautiful hide!

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at March 23, 2024 08:36 PM (2NHgQ)

100 93 Uh oh, did you? I don't always catch the Saturday evening threads. I would say I have a life, but that would be at least partially untrue.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 08:34 PM (K8TIL

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Did a whole Capra run!

https://ace.mu.nu/archives/408255.php

(don't comment on old threads)

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:36 PM (GBKbO)

101 96 You’ve watched The Human Centipede but have never watched Road House?

WTF?
Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2024 08:36 PM (MNhXM)

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I was born in the 80s, not raised by the 80s.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:37 PM (GBKbO)

102 Overall, I like Jake Gyllenhall, except in Night Crawler and that was mostly the soundtrack and the fact that I just could not get into the film no matter how hard I tried.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 23, 2024 08:35 PM (XV/Pl)

I thought it was great. There's something I generally don't like about films where the protagonist is a complete monster, but I liked it quite a bit. In part due to his ability to play the part.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 08:37 PM (K8TIL)

103 Someone described the new Roadhouse as 'over the top'.

As if the original wasn't?

Posted by: davidt at March 23, 2024 08:37 PM (SYTee)

104 Charlie don't surf!

Posted by: Archer at March 23, 2024 08:37 PM (rskKm)

105 @83

>>They HAVE to glom on to established properties (or the suits think they have to.)

I think that an edict has gone out amongst most of Hollywood and script writers that you have to write within the DEI framework and approved narrative box and with few vanishingly exceptions that's what happens.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 23, 2024 08:38 PM (XV/Pl)

106 Saw the original cheesefest that is "Road House" on cable with a group of people. We all laffed. I mostly remember Swayze grinding the lead gal against a brick wall and thinking "Owwwww".

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 23, 2024 08:39 PM (3e3hy)

107 I always like to hear what movies are moron’s guilty pleasures.

I just watched one of mine.

3000 Miles to Graceland.

Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2024 08:39 PM (MNhXM)

108 99 Movie night. Seven Brides for Seven Brothers. Bless your beautiful hide!
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at March 23, 2024 08:36 PM (2NHgQ)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF3GwVTDVSQ

With any luck Brother #7 will father seven sons. Do we ever find out?

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 23, 2024 08:39 PM (9isyS)

109 He sounds like a more or less typical leftist intellectual: a wrecker, not a builder. Also, perhaps, a neurotic who blamed the torments inflicted by his own demons on the hated bourgeoisie - always and everywhere the scapegoat of the insecure, immature and sociopathic artist who must, in order to preserve something resembling sanity (or functioning insanity), imagine an external cause of his anger and misery.

There are too many other good film makers who do not possess his ideological baggage. Hard pass.

Posted by: Paco at March 23, 2024 08:40 PM (njExo)

110 I was born in the 80s, not raised by the 80s.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:37 PM (GBKbO)

My sympathies.

(Born in the 70s, raised in the 80s)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 23, 2024 08:40 PM (9isyS)

111 @102

>>I thought it was great.

Yeah, it's one of those films where all of the components are there but for whatever reason, the whole of just rubs me the wrong way.

Maybe it was Rene Russo's character, I don't know.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 23, 2024 08:41 PM (XV/Pl)

112 I was of drinking age in the 80's. I win.

Also the late 70's if they didn't card.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 23, 2024 08:42 PM (3e3hy)

113 Should have been in bed shortly after this thread showed up if I want to see the Australian Grand Prix live at midnight
Hope you all don't eat all the popcorn 😋 and have a great evening.

Posted by: Skip at March 23, 2024 08:42 PM (fwDg9)

114 polynikes @ 107-
Princess Bride, Buckaroo Banzai, Galaxy Quest, The Shootist, and of course, The Outlaw Josey Wales. Fight me! Damnit come back here!

Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2024 08:43 PM (NxC5+)

115 I was born in the 80s, not raised by the 80s.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

My sympathies.

(Born in the 70s, raised in the 80s)
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33

Geeze you guys - I have underwear older than you.

Posted by: Tonypete at March 23, 2024 08:43 PM (WXNFJ)

116 Time change again!
SpaceX - Falcon 9 - Starlink Group 6-42 - LC-39A - KSC

SpaceX is targeting Saturday, March 23 for a Falcon 9 launch of 23 Starlink satellites to low-Earth orbit from Launch Complex 39A (LC-39A) at NASA’s Kennedy Space Center in Florida.

​​​​Correction: 11:09 p.m. EDT (03:09 UTC, 04:09 CET). They come close with that at the end of the today's launch window, which is 11:29 p.m. EDT.

https://tinyurl.com/mryuac4w

Posted by: Ciampino - ROCKET SCIENCE coming up .... at March 23, 2024 08:43 PM (qfLjt)

117 Did a whole Capra run!

https://ace.mu.nu/archives/408255.php

(don't comment on old threads)
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:36 PM (GBKbO)

Oh, I do remember that one. Check out the film I mentioned, Ladies of Leisure, made in 1930. Most of the rest of the cast act like they're doing a stage play, especially the male lead. So if you ask me, the film itself isn't great, but Stanwyck makes it well worth seeing.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 08:44 PM (yOwFQ)

118 73 Saw the trailer for Furiosa, that movie is going to bomb so hard that the producers of Heaven's Gate are going to throw a party in celebration.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 23, 2024 08:26 PM (XV/Pl)

I saw it before I...developed the Eyes of Ibad watching Dune 2. THE SPICE MUST FLOW. But I digress. This is my take on Furiosa:

THERE ARE THREE MAD MAX FILMS. NEVER SHALL THERE BE A FOURTH.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 23, 2024 08:45 PM (9isyS)

119 I think Jake Gyllenhaal is a good actor but i don’t find any of his movies a recommended much watch.

Was he in the Dune movie?

Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2024 08:46 PM (MNhXM)

120 Someone described the new Roadhouse as 'over the top'.

As if the original wasn't?
Posted by: davidt at March 23, 2024 08:37 PM (SYTee)

Good grief, if it goes any further over the top than the original, it'll come around again, and be about sitting on a porch swing sipping lemonade after Sunday services.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 08:46 PM (yOwFQ)

121 117 Oh, I do remember that one. Check out the film I mentioned, Ladies of Leisure, made in 1930. Most of the rest of the cast act like they're doing a stage play, especially the male lead. So if you ask me, the film itself isn't great, but Stanwyck makes it well worth seeing.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 08:44 PM (yOwFQ)

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I thought it was pretty good! Not top tier Capra, but solidly well built, which was pretty common across his career.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:47 PM (GBKbO)

122 "Someone described the new Roadhouse as 'over the top'.

As if the original wasn't?"

Can't remember who reviewed it yesterday but he said was the violence was basically over 'over the top'.

Posted by: Tuna at March 23, 2024 08:47 PM (oaGWv)

123 Yeah, it's one of those films where all of the components are there but for whatever reason, the whole of just rubs me the wrong way.

Maybe it was Rene Russo's character, I don't know.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 23, 2024 08:41 PM (XV/Pl)

I can see that. She's no better than he is, and yeah, that's generally a deal breaker for me, not having any characters to root for.

Maybe it's the fact they're in the business they are, and I fully expected everyone in that industry to be soulless, amoral pigs.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 08:48 PM (yOwFQ)

124 Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2024 08:43 PM (NxC5+)

I would say only Buckaroo would be considered a guilty pleasure based on my definition (mostly panned by the audience)!, The rest of those are quality movies loved by most.

The Shootist was Wayne’s last movie. Bogart also made a great last movie. The Harder They Fall.

Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2024 08:50 PM (MNhXM)

125 I thought it was pretty good! Not top tier Capra, but solidly well built, which was pretty common across his career.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:47 PM (GBKbO)

Ah, so you've seen it. You didn't mention it in the post... I don't think.

Yeah, the structure is tight. Everything is on the surface, clear, and straightforward. Of course the most moving scene was between Stanwyck and the mother. I'm sure you know the one. Just remarkably... human. And adult.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 08:51 PM (yOwFQ)

126 @123

>>She's no better than he is, and yeah, that's generally a deal breaker for me, not having any characters to root for.

Yes, that's it, there is no humanity in the film, there's just the downward spiral, and at the end of the day, the monster wins.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 23, 2024 08:52 PM (XV/Pl)

127 125 Ah, so you've seen it. You didn't mention it in the post... I don't think.

Yeah, the structure is tight. Everything is on the surface, clear, and straightforward. Of course the most moving scene was between Stanwyck and the mother. I'm sure you know the one. Just remarkably... human. And adult.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 08:51 PM (yOwFQ)

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Yeah, when I do a filmmaker, I watch everything (possible). If I were going to talk about Capra's efforts with the Academy, Ladies would make an appearance. In the context of his greater career, it's minor. Lady for a Day is more important to point out.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:53 PM (GBKbO)

128 Later, good people. Jump up early for coffee, and church, too.

Posted by: Eromero at March 23, 2024 08:54 PM (NxC5+)

129 Yes, that's it, there is no humanity in the film, there's just the downward spiral, and at the end of the day, the monster wins.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 23, 2024 08:52 PM (XV/Pl)

I wonder how accurate it is. I mean, the central plot point was not what you'd call typical news biz stuff, but otherwise, I wonder how much of what they did was general practice in the industry.

Sorta like when you see politicians in movies doing all kinds of shady deals, we sometimes forget, our actual pols are probably up to things worse than they show in films.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 08:55 PM (yOwFQ)

130 I loved Whiplash and I didn’t like either protagonist. I think that’s great film making.

Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2024 08:56 PM (MNhXM)

131 129 I wonder how accurate it is. I mean, the central plot point was not what you'd call typical news biz stuff, but otherwise, I wonder how much of what they did was general practice in the industry.

Sorta like when you see politicians in movies doing all kinds of shady deals, we sometimes forget, our actual pols are probably up to things worse than they show in films.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 08:55 PM (yOwFQ)

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Tangentially, my brother knows one of the uncredited editors on Nightcrawler. She would describe it as sweatshop-like conditions.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:57 PM (GBKbO)

132 Yeah, when I do a filmmaker, I watch everything (possible). If I were going to talk about Capra's efforts with the Academy, Ladies would make an appearance. In the context of his greater career, it's minor. Lady for a Day is more important to point out.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:53 PM (GBKbO)

Gotcha. I'm following my Stanwyck thread, I've got Meet John Doe in the cue (so to speak), so I'll see their intersection again real soon.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 08:58 PM (yOwFQ)

133 Saw a preview for a biker movie, "The Bikeriders", that looks like a remake of "The Wild One" but apparently isn't, with Tom Hardy channeling Brando.

It's got Norman Reedus, so there's that.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at March 23, 2024 08:58 PM (3e3hy)

134 @129

>>I wonder how accurate it is.

It probably is pretty accurate to the old time, get the story, get it now, if it bleeds it leads era of the news business, when broadcast news was king... Murders and all.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 23, 2024 09:01 PM (XV/Pl)

135 Have seen Cannibal Holocaust and I'm looking forward to never seeing it again. Some years back saw a trailer or maybe read a synopsis on The Human Centipede and said yeccchhh-nope-aint-happening (think they've done 3 of those, so somebody must have watched it -- all I know is it wasn't me).

Been scrounging up some Simenon adaptations (other than Maigret series) recently. A few are on Prime -- I thought The Innocents was very nicely done; am waiting for USPS to deliver my blu-ray of The Cat.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at March 23, 2024 09:03 PM (q3u5l)

136 Tangentially, my brother knows one of the uncredited editors on Nightcrawler. She would describe it as sweatshop-like conditions.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:57 PM (GBKbO)

Further related, but not, they say ACLU is imploding because different Woke factions are turning on each other, and nobody can actually do whatever it is they claim they're supposed to be doing.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 09:05 PM (UnDu0)

137 The Gospel According to Matthew is on torrent. Is torrent safe?

Posted by: Braenyard at March 23, 2024 09:06 PM (iD+Ae)

138 92 I will never see the new Road House. Doing that only encourages them.

Remakes and reboots are the final redoubt of the uncreative.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 23, 2024 08:34 PM (9isyS)


My thoughts also. I recently watched the "True Grit" remake, I know there are people who like it better than the John Wayne original, but I don't. The new version is OK, I don't hate it, but I prefer the original, and don't think the remake was worth making.

Posted by: BillyD at March 23, 2024 09:08 PM (F6Xpw)

139 I watched the first episode of the 3 Body Problem on Netflix. It was OK but it definitely emphasized "new" England, a racially mixed group that one would or should never associate with the country.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at March 23, 2024 09:08 PM (++4z6)

140 94 92
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I'm just hoping for another version of A Star is Born before the end of the decade!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:35 PM (GBKbO)


. . . maybe staring Beyonce and Taylor Swift. Make it gay, put a chick in it, make it suck.

Posted by: BillyD at March 23, 2024 09:11 PM (F6Xpw)

141 My thoughts also. I recently watched the "True Grit" remake, I know there are people who like it better than the John Wayne original, but I don't. The new version is OK, I don't hate it, but I prefer the original, and don't think the remake was worth making.
Posted by: BillyD at March 23, 2024 09:08 PM (F6Xpw)

The strength of the remake is that the girl drives the story, she's the catalyst. In the Wayne version, she's an annoying nuisance, often getting in the way.

To be honest, looking at it now, it looks like a movie set in the time in which it was made, moreso than a movie set in the time in which it was set.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 09:12 PM (UnDu0)

142 Posted by: BillyD at March 23, 2024 09:08 PM (F6Xpw)

I like the original better.

That said I would not mind a remake of the Cowboys just to see if I would hate it because they remade my favorite movie.

Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2024 09:13 PM (GzpNE)

143 I'm just hoping for another version of A Star is Born before the end of the decade!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:35 PM (GBKbO)

. . . maybe staring Beyonce and Taylor Swift. Make it gay, put a chick in it, make it suck.
Posted by: BillyD at March 23, 2024 09:11 PM (F6Xpw)

Obviously the new version will star Dylan Mulvaney.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 09:13 PM (UnDu0)

144 107 I always like to hear what movies are moron’s guilty pleasures.

I just watched one of mine.

3000 Miles to Graceland.

Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2024 08:39 PM (MNhXM)


"Undercover Brother"

Posted by: BillyD at March 23, 2024 09:13 PM (F6Xpw)

145 Im rewatching Nefarious - its a Great movie, a thematic start to Holy week , and a good reminder of where/what the actual battle is.

Posted by: LASue at March 23, 2024 09:13 PM (Ed8Zd)

146 Broke and without work, newspaper reporter Eddie Willis (Humphrey Bogart) agrees to work for the corrupt boxing promoter Nick Benko (Rod Steiger) to help hype his new boxer,

Rod Steiger was also a+

Posted by: Braenyard at March 23, 2024 09:14 PM (iD+Ae)

147 I'm just hoping for another version of A Star is Born before the end of the decade!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting zombies with George A. Romero at March 23, 2024 08:35 PM (GBKbO)

That would be the fifth and I think new record holder.

Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2024 09:14 PM (GzpNE)

148 I think Jason Mamoas 15 minutes are up, he's also decided to go on the Russel Crowe diet plan.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at March 23, 2024 08:29 PM (XV/Pl)


Human growth hormones can make all your internal organs grow as well, and they have no where to go except make your belly look like you are 5 months pregnant

Posted by: Kindltot at March 23, 2024 09:15 PM (D7oie)

149 Yeah, I heard the race and gender swapping in the Netflix "Three Body Problem" was bad enough, but the dumbass year zero dialog was worse.

I haven't read the books, and apparently they didn't either.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at March 23, 2024 09:16 PM (3e3hy)

150 That would be the fifth and I think new record holder.
Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2024 09:14 PM (GzpNE)

Depending on how one measures such things, I'd think the superheroes far exceed that number. How many Superman, Batman, Spiderman films have there been? Not just the series, but the various versions?

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 09:17 PM (UnDu0)

151 Undercover Brother"

Posted by: BillyD at March 23, 2024 09:13 PM (F6Xpw

That's the definition of a guilty pleasure.

Another one of mine is Major Payne but I'm almost thinking it's just a good movie.

Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2024 09:17 PM (GzpNE)

152 The scene in The Harder They Fall where Rod Steiger's accountant explains how Toro's share of the money comes to something like 57 bucks is a gem.

Been some time since I read it, but as I recall the source novel by Budd Schulberg was pretty good too.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at March 23, 2024 09:17 PM (q3u5l)

153 Human growth hormones can make all your internal organs grow as well, and they have no where to go except make your belly look like you are 5 months pregnant
Posted by: Kindltot at March 23, 2024 09:15 PM (D7oie)

He should probably ask what Duane Johnson uses, and start copying that.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 09:18 PM (UnDu0)

154 Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 09:17 PM (UnDu0)

I understand what you're saying but thats just same characters different stories.

Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2024 09:19 PM (GzpNE)

155 I haven't read the books, and apparently they didn't either.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at March 23, 2024 09:16 PM (3e3hy)


And neither should you!

I read the first one. Awful.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 23, 2024 09:20 PM (r/tDj)

156 The Chosen.

Posted by: Come and see at March 23, 2024 09:23 PM (dg+HA)

157 I understand what you're saying but thats just same characters different stories.
Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2024 09:19 PM (GzpNE)

Even with that as a distinction, I'm sure there have been multiple versions of each. So for example the three different Spiderman series that have been done this century, and there were prior versions done before that. I'd have to go back and figure out how many, but I'd think it was more than 5.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 09:24 PM (OqgaI)

158 And neither should you!

I read the first one. Awful.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 23, 2024 09:20 PM (r/tDj)
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I'm a sci fi freak and don't feel at all drawn to read them.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at March 23, 2024 09:28 PM (3e3hy)

159 Good evening all.

Posted by: Muad'dib at March 23, 2024 09:29 PM (ER9HB)

160 he was a Marxist atheist homosexual

In many ways isn't this also the story of Barack Obama?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in solidarity with the Struggle to maintain Moron standards at March 23, 2024 09:30 PM (p74to)

161 I'd have to go back and figure out how many, but I'd think it was more than 5.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 09:24 PM (OqgaI)

Ok, if Wikipedia is to be trusted, it's basically 5 versions.

A series of films starting in 1977, then the Raimi versions, then the two more recent versions starring Garfield and Holland respectively, and finally the animated "Spiderverse" versions.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 09:30 PM (6xOU3)

162 And neither should you!

I read the first one. Awful.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 23, 2024 09:20 PM (r/tDj)
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I'm a sci fi freak and don't feel at all drawn to read them.
Posted by: All Hail Eris at March 23, 2024 09:28 PM (3e3hy)
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Same here. They seem to be overhyped to me.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at March 23, 2024 09:31 PM (BpYfr)

163 I had a neighbor who used to give me his bootleg Steven Seagal VHS tapes and then quiz me relentlessly until he was convinced that I watched every fucking minute of every fucking one of his lousy fucking movies.

And yet, I could never hate him as much as Pier Pasolini.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov, now, where does a war hero get some lubrication around here? at March 23, 2024 09:31 PM (wBaIH)

164 I couldn't care less about movies, yet this blog is so well written I love reading about them! Great job open blogger. You know how to write! (I think I wrote the same comment 2 years ago when I had the same thought!)

Posted by: BacktoGA at March 23, 2024 09:34 PM (QfRJd)

165 Pasolini made 11 whole films (plus docus) over his entire career. W.S. Van Dyke directed 11(plus helped out on 1 other film) from 1940 to 1942 (and he was dying in 42, took his life in 1943) and I just about guarantee most of his films are infinitely more watchable to typical movie fans. Film fans, I'm not so sure ; )

Posted by: ziggggeeee at March 23, 2024 09:36 PM (nJgbt)

166 And yet, I could never hate him as much as Pier Pasolini.
Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov, now, where does a war hero get some lubrication around here? at March 23, 2024 09:31 PM (wBaIH)

Pier Angeli however, I would drink her bathwater.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 09:36 PM (6xOU3)

167 Keep it down! I'm trying to watch Shogun.

SSSSHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Robert at March 23, 2024 09:37 PM (1Yy3c)

168 Eons ago I was watching some late night talk show (can't recall which one, or why I had it on in the first place). Steven Seagal was a guest and they showed a clip from Above the Law, I think his first movie, then just released in theaters.

After the clip the host said, "Do you think this is a good movie?" Seagal was quiet for a couple of seconds and then he said, "Nah."

Had to give Seagal points for that.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at March 23, 2024 09:39 PM (q3u5l)

169 Keep it down! I'm trying to watch Shogun.

SSSSHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Robert at March 23, 2024 09:37 PM (1Yy3c)
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**cranks up 300 to 11**

THIS! IS! SPARTA!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at March 23, 2024 09:40 PM (BpYfr)

170 All Seagal movies would be guilty pleasures if you like them.

Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2024 09:42 PM (GzpNE)

171 All Seagal movies would be guilty pleasures if you like them.
Posted by: polynikes at March 23, 2024 09:42 PM (GzpNE)

Yeah, the first few are entertaining, but mostly just rehashes of each other. With him being basically the same character, in different settings.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2024 09:44 PM (6xOU3)

172 Shotgun Shogun would be more entertaining.

Anyone see Ghostbusters yet?

Posted by: Anna Puma at March 23, 2024 09:46 PM (QDbdn)

173 ONT NOOD.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 23, 2024 09:52 PM (dSqT/)

174 Saw "The Gospel." Hated it.

Can't stand Pasolini. Felt like sticking my head into the Toilet of Life.

Posted by: Beverly at March 23, 2024 10:01 PM (Epeb0)

175 Jean Genet

Posted by: zigzag at March 24, 2024 12:41 AM (oLiOB)

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