Gun Thread: Content Lite Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Holy Jumping Atomic Shitballs! Are all y'all ever getting screwed content-wise tonight!

Q: Weasel, is that really a question?
A: No, just an observation.

I have been wrestling with a big project at work since about June and it wraps up this coming week. After that, my schedule should hopefully return to something approaching normal, and I will be able to spend more time on the Gun Thread and maybe even see if I remember where WeaselAcres is located to do some shooting. I promise I will go through the neglected email inbox and get caught up soon. As always, thanks for your patience!

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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Range Time!

Who has been to the range? Why, our pal Blake has not only been to the range, but he was shooting in a match too!

After a 2 month layoff from shooting (I hate it when real life gets in the way of what's important: shooting) I managed make my second 1,000 match.
After working the pit, I set up, and, slowed everyone down because I'm not quite as organized as I should have been. Next time I'll be better prepared, I swear!
Anyway, I checked my log book and dialed in the elevation value I had noted from my first match. "Groovy" thought I. First shot...nowhere to be found. Say what?
Finally, after my 4th sighter shot, I was on paper and ready to roll. (I noted this value too. My first match required 35.5 MOA elevation. This match, because weather conditions were so different from the first time, required 38.25 MOA of elevation.)
I started shooting for score, and the wind absolutely ate me alive. However, this was not completely unexpected as the wind around here can be vicious. I also had trouble with my shots being a bit "all over the place" high, and low, etc. I finally realized I was letting the rifle run me rather than me run the rifle. Once I settled in and took firm control, things got a lot better with shot placement.
The most unnerving part of the shoot, though was compensating for the wind. I was lining up my cross hairs on the slot between the targets in order put shots in the 9 and 10 ring. These targets are 72" x 72" which means I was holding a solid 38" to the left to hit center. And, because the wind is so variable here, dialing windage really isn't recommended. (Yeah, my last few shots saved my score, relatively speaking.)
I had expected to regress a bit due to beginners luck the first time I shot. Surprisingly, I shot a 75, which was only 4 points behind my first time out and under conditions which were quite adverse compared to the first time.
From a score standpoint, I regressed but, on the other hand, I think I made progress in that I got a little better handle on dealing with wind.

Congratulations, Blake! I am sure by now you have decided that competition will quickly make you a more better shooter! A couple of thoughts ; recording atmospheric conditions in the form of density altitude each time you shoot can help you develop solid range data for a particular rifle/ammo combination, and wind reading is an art and converting what you read to a firing solution is a science. When everything goes to shit, stop shooting and go back to the fundamentals.!

Nice job!

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Descent Into Madness

Our pal RI Red needs help!

Sunday AM following a rainy Saturday outing. Dialing in various ammo brands at distance. Yes, I am a geek.

On The Range
I thought this was interesting.

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Optics on Handguns?

Hell, you don't even need sights!

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Revolver Inspection

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Can't Resist Monkeying Around?
Match tuning a 1911 trigger.

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Thank A Tree Farmer

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Monster From Green Hell!

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Musical Interlude
Here is the story of the Muscle Shoals Sound. This is a really good story!

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Gun Basics 101
New video from the She Equips Herself gal! This week's video is on answering embarrassing questions!. I started to make a joke about stupid questions, but I happen to agree one million percent and never ever want anyone here to think their questions aren't worth asking. If you still feel this way on the Gun Thread just send me an email which I will hopefully answer in less than 12 months.

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Cigar of the Week

Returns next Sunday.

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Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar.

Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com
Nicks Cigar World New!

A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid

Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!

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Ammo Link-O-Rama
I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop
American Elite Ammo NEW!

***Mail Bag***

This week's mailbag entry is from our pal That SOB Van Owen. Great one!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 Guns up!

Posted by: GWB at February 18, 2024 07:00 PM (32nmx)

2 BANG ends the weekend

Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 18, 2024 07:00 PM (f0/sc)

3 bang

Posted by: Eromero at February 18, 2024 07:00 PM (DXbAa)

4 Howdy horde. On to the content!

Posted by: TRex at February 18, 2024 07:00 PM (ol7iy)

5 Whats that blue.sky stuff in that picture???

Posted by: Diogenes at February 18, 2024 07:01 PM (W/lyH)

6 Squib.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 18, 2024 07:01 PM (a3Q+t)

7 Yay! Gubs!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 18, 2024 07:02 PM (Wnv9h)

8 Whats that blue.sky stuff in that picture???
Posted by: Diogenes at February 18, 2024 07:01 PM

It's Outside. Spooky stuff. Tries to kill you.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 18, 2024 07:04 PM (Wnv9h)

9 Where is everyone?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 18, 2024 07:05 PM (Wnv9h)

10 Top 10?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 18, 2024 07:06 PM (Wnv9h)

11 If you still feel this way on the Gun Thread just send me an email which I will hopefully answer in less than 12 months.

Is FSJ on strike?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 18, 2024 07:07 PM (a3Q+t)

12 Skin that smokewagon and see what happens.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 18, 2024 07:07 PM (aD39U)

13 Where is everyone?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 18, 2024 07:05 PM (Wnv9h)

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fighting over judging a lasagna contest and assuring CBD they're behaving.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 18, 2024 07:08 PM (tT6L1)

14 Good evening everyone!!

Blake, do you have a Kestrel? That along with ballistic software can be very helpful getting dialed in. Especially since it will measure things in real time that you cannot.

You can set up a profile for your rifle and just tell it what ammo you are using and it will spill out at minimum how much elevation you need to dial in.

Then, as Weasel said, once you start hitting the target write down the Density Altitude, ammo type and other information to get your DOPE. You can then use that in the future if you find you are in similar conditions.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 18, 2024 07:09 PM (f0/sc)

15 Tries to kill you.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 18, 2024 07:04 PM

What are we, chopped liver?

Posted by: Australian Lifeforms at February 18, 2024 07:09 PM (a3Q+t)

16 fighting over judging a lasagna contest and assuring CBD they're behaving.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 18, 2024 07:08 PM

Could be. Could very well be.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 18, 2024 07:09 PM (Wnv9h)

17 I have been wrestling with a big project at work since about June and it wraps up this coming week.
I feel you, Weasel-san. Probably same amount of time on a project, deployed the software last weekend, and we broke it hard. Took all weekend to just get it partly going again. Then we worked long days all week to fix the major induced problems - deployed Friday night.

I did go shooting in the middle of that. Worked on my 1911s. My carry 1911 started having FTEs the more ammo I put through it.

Is this me relaxing too much? Or might I have a spring problem - that it's just not stiff enough? My full-size 1911 worked just fine.

I do need work on trigger squeeze - still anticipating too much. But getting better. And, honestly, I'm just going to shoot bad guys 1-handed - it's much easier and more accurate.

Posted by: GWB at February 18, 2024 07:09 PM (32nmx)

18 Those are some MEGA rolls!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 18, 2024 07:09 PM (63Dwl)

19 Gub!

Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 18, 2024 07:10 PM (V8he0)

20 What are we, chopped liver?
Posted by: Australian Lifeforms at February 18, 2024 07:09 PM

*adopts AtC's philosophy*

*flamethrows thread*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 18, 2024 07:10 PM (Wnv9h)

21 Weasel, thank you for the reminder. I'm also gearing up to spend more time practicing on the 1,000 yard line, which will help me log more DA.

Thank you for the reminder.

Point the rifle at the target and pull the trigger, How hard can it be?

..he asked rhetorically.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 18, 2024 07:11 PM (tT6L1)

22 18 Those are some MEGA rolls!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 18, 2024 07:09 PM

They are personally made for Lizzo.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 18, 2024 07:11 PM (f0/sc)

23 The inspecting S&W revolvers is missing the first, and arguably most important step, making sure it doesn't have 'the lock'.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 18, 2024 07:12 PM (a3Q+t)

24 Good evening everyone , no cigars but nice glass of scotch while reading this thread

Posted by: Skip at February 18, 2024 07:12 PM (fwDg9)

25 Point the rifle at the target and pull the trigger, How hard can it be?

..he asked rhetorically.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 18, 2024 07:11 PM

Go that way...really fast. If somsing gets in your way...turn.

-Monique

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 18, 2024 07:12 PM (Wnv9h)

26 Is this me relaxing too much? Or might I have a spring problem - that it's just not stiff enough? My full-size 1911 worked just fine.

I do need work on trigger squeeze - still anticipating too much. But getting better. And, honestly, I'm just going to shoot bad guys 1-handed - it's much easier and more accurate.
Posted by: GWB at February 18, 2024 07:09 PM (32nmx)
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Check and clean the extractor. I had FTE's with my 1911's and it was due to dirty extractors.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 18, 2024 07:13 PM (tT6L1)

27 The best part of a disease-ridden weekend, at least here in the Schnorflekennel. Thanks Weasel and hat tip to the gub 'ettes and 'rons. Now off to read the content -- for a light week, there sure seems to be a lot of it!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at February 18, 2024 07:14 PM (v23vE)

28 No range time for me. Eventually........

If I had the time I would try and do some in April when I am down in Texas. But I have other plans so it is not on the itinerary.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 18, 2024 07:14 PM (f0/sc)

29 Scoob!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 18, 2024 07:14 PM (Wnv9h)

30 RMBS!!

Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 18, 2024 07:15 PM (f0/sc)

31 *fistbump*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 18, 2024 07:15 PM (Wnv9h)

32 I'm here!
Really really really crowded at the range again. Waited an hour to get lanes. When we encouraged people to learn to shoot, buy ammo, practice regularly, I didn;t mean for all these people to show up at MY range.
My lovely lilac lavender Glock arrived at my FFL weeks earlier than expected but have to wait 7 days to get it. Did get to see it in person however and it is just as pretty as I expected, the color being subtle, and when I picked it up, felt like a perfect fit. Can't wait to get it to the range.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 18, 2024 07:15 PM (t/2Uw)

33 Visited Virginia Museum of War (highly recommended - lots of gubs). One exhibit showed a Springfield "Trapdoor" Carbine, model 1884. It was widely used by US Cavalry - including Gen Custer and his troop at the Battle of Little Bighorn.

In the after-action review of the battle, the gun was found to be a problem because it wasn't ejecting the copper bullet casings properly. Firing the gun produced heat which caused the casings to expand. After the battle, the Army switched to brass.

Dunno if that would have made a decisive difference, but guessing it didn't help the outcome. Never heard that story before.

Posted by: TRex at February 18, 2024 07:17 PM (ol7iy)

34 Sharon! You and Iris find anything good in the way of Alaska cruises?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 18, 2024 07:17 PM (Wnv9h)

35 Some sad news this week: legendary sniper Chuck Mawhinney passed away at age 75. It's hard to believe that he was a teenager during his 16-month tour in the Bad Place.

Semper Fidelis, Marine, and rest in peace. Fair Winds and Following Seas.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 18, 2024 07:18 PM (PWe8a)

36 I started shooting for score, and the wind absolutely ate me alive.

Accounting for windage is an art all by itself. The first instinct is that a moderate wind can't possibly affect the shot all that much. Found that the opposite was the case, through trial and error. Great story, Blake.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 18, 2024 07:18 PM (V8he0)

37 Advice: Be emulous of Weasel's wind art.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 18, 2024 07:20 PM (a3Q+t)

38 RMBS, unfortunately no. I'll send you an email with the sad details.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 18, 2024 07:21 PM (t/2Uw)

39 OK, stupid question #1 for the night:
what does FSJ mean?

Posted by: Grateful at February 18, 2024 07:21 PM (ol7iy)

40 If anybody's still looking for a Labradar, Brownell's has them in stock and on sale.

Posted by: Oddbob at February 18, 2024 07:21 PM (sNc8Y)

41 Nicely done, Blake!

Posted by: screaming in digital at February 18, 2024 07:21 PM (1eY81)

42 Waiting on the weather to break before I go to the range. I'm too old to shoot in subzero temperatures anymore. No problem for the under 29 crowd.

My team, the NY Rangers won today in front of 79,697 fans. Great game!!!

Posted by: Archer at February 18, 2024 07:21 PM (rskKm)

43 Looking on the Sig Sauer website. You can build your own P320 or P365.

Interesting colors, Robins Egg Blue, Pink are the most extreme.

Need to get to range and test them out as possible conceal/carry.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 18, 2024 07:22 PM (f0/sc)

44 Dunno if that would have made a decisive difference, but guessing it didn't help the outcome. Never heard that story before.
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The fictional Sir Harry Flashman mentioned that [jamming not the copper specifically] in Flashman and the Redskins [1982] and castigated Custer the X number of years later in his memoirs for not having had his men firing their carbines until they were red-hot before leaving on campaign. George MacDonald Fraser did alot of research for his Flashman 'memoirs'.

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 18, 2024 07:23 PM (2yu8s)

45 Two Cops and a Paramedic Murdered in Minnesota

Minnestan

Posted by: rhennigantx at February 18, 2024 07:23 PM (ENQN6)

46 CA SB 1106 is a new gun registry law going thru the legislation right now. The author of it says (with air quotes) that it isn't a registry-registry but still you have to detail everything you own, annually. With a fee for each, naturally. I predict massive non-compliance.

https://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=PH279vuLoGE

Posted by: gourmand du jour at February 18, 2024 07:23 PM (MeG8a)

47 If anybody's still looking for a Labradar, Brownell's has them in stock and on sale.

Posted by: Oddbob

Brownell's sells dogs?

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 18, 2024 07:23 PM (t/2Uw)

48 If anybody's still looking for a Labradar, Brownell's has them in stock and on sale.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 18, 2024 07:21 PM

Garmin's new (and so far well-reviewed) Xero C1 is out, and available at a couple of LGSs.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 18, 2024 07:23 PM (a3Q+t)

49 39 OK, stupid question #1 for the night:
what does FSJ mean?
Posted by: Grateful at February 18, 2024 07:21 PM (ol7iy)

Evening, ma'am. Oooh, oooh, Mistah Kottah! I know this one: FSJ == Fun Size Joe, the senior remaining (and maybe sole remaining) canine denizen of Casa Weasel.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at February 18, 2024 07:23 PM (v23vE)

50 RMBS, unfortunately no. I'll send you an email with the sad details.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 18, 2024 07:21 PM

I haz a sad. No doubt the RMBS Mom will to. Fair enough. We'll see y'all at the NoVaMoMe.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 18, 2024 07:23 PM (Wnv9h)

51 Evening Weasel and fellow gub threaders.

Brief range report. My shooting buddy who a month ago asked why anyone would own a Glock now has a G42 so he can get a threaded barrel for a 380.

I am not sure why he would want that.....but anyway it shot fine and was eminently capable. And square. Really square. I still don't like it.

I brought my G2C and put 100 rounds of 115g through it. As always, it ate anything I fed it.

I tried working on speed but my trigger finger needs some work. On slow fire I can put 12 rounds in a 2" circle but they string low when I go too fast (using more than my fingertip I suspect).

The G2C is stripped and cleaned and now back to content.

Posted by: Chappyman66 at February 18, 2024 07:24 PM (L3byd)

52 OK, stupid question #1 for the night:
what does FSJ mean?
Posted by: Grateful at February 18, 2024 07:21 PM

Fun Sized Joe. Buddy to the late Weaseldog.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 18, 2024 07:25 PM (Wnv9h)

53 Thank you muchly Schnorflepuppy....hope all is well in your part of the world.

Posted by: Grateful at February 18, 2024 07:25 PM (ol7iy)

54 yahoo

Biden, in fact, makes his debut in our rankings at No. 14, putting him in the top third of American presidents. Trump, meanwhile, maintains the position he held six years ago: dead last, trailing such historically calamitous chief executives as James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson. In that and other respects, Trump’s radical departure from political, institutional and legal norms has affected knowledgeable assessments not just of him but also of Biden and several other presidents.

Posted by: rhennigantx at February 18, 2024 07:27 PM (ENQN6)

55 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at February 18, 2024 07:27 PM (yRXSd)

56 Love/ Hate thing going on here. I don't want the pigs but I have nothing to shoot at.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 18, 2024 07:27 PM (7h3oY)

57 You can set up a profile for your rifle and just tell it what ammo you are using and it will spill out at minimum how much elevation you need to dial in.

Then, as Weasel said, once you start hitting the target write down the Density Altitude, ammo type and other information to get your DOPE. You can then use that in the future if you find you are in similar conditions.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 18, 2024 07:09 PM (f0/sc)
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I do have Kestrel but, it won't do a 1,000 yards. My plan is to spend time practicing and record results so I don't get caught out like this again.. To say there's a huge learning curve is an understatement.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 18, 2024 07:27 PM (tT6L1)

58 We rented a P320 a couple of weeks ago and both TRex and Blaster liked it a lot. I still likethe P226. Shot Blaster's P226 and Ed's MK25 today. Liked both. The weight of Ed's felt right but the trigger on Blaster's made for more accurate shooting.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 18, 2024 07:27 PM (t/2Uw)

59 If anybody's still looking for a Labrador, Brownell's has them in stock and on sale.
Posted by: Oddbob

Brownell's sells dogs?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)
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No one needs a dangerous black dog with the tail thing that goes up.

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 18, 2024 07:28 PM (2yu8s)

60 Hey Schnorflepuppy, what is the best way to get to the TXMoMe from Ohio?

Thinking of changing the route I normally would take.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 18, 2024 07:28 PM (f0/sc)

61 The first question featured in the SEH gal's "dumb questions" video was one that I struggled with when I first bought my "8+1" carry gun, and couldn't figure out how to load the +1. The staff at my local freedom store were very understanding when I asked, although I'm sure there were rolled eyes after I left.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at February 18, 2024 07:29 PM (v23vE)

62 Water bottle dude has to be one of the most excitin........ ..... zzzzzzzzz.

Posted by: GWB at February 18, 2024 07:29 PM (32nmx)

63 If anyone is interested, Garmin sells what looks to be a really nifty chronograph.

I saw one set up and was impressed at how portable they are.

I didn't know they existed before I bought my magnetospeed, else I'd have looked at purchasing one.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 18, 2024 07:32 PM (tT6L1)

64 Garmin's new (and so far well-reviewed) Xero C1 is out, and available at a couple of LGSs.

Reviews look good. I think that's the unit I want but I'm in a no-buy mode until further notice.

Posted by: Oddbob at February 18, 2024 07:33 PM (sNc8Y)

65 There is a movie- Battle of Tripoli I think that shows how a revolution could start. The Algerians were breaking away from France in late 50s. I thought it's a possibility to happen here. But that was before the Marxists took over so been thinking it's not how it will come down.

Posted by: Skip at February 18, 2024 07:35 PM (fwDg9)

66 Y'all, I went to the range yesterday! Tried a new-to-me indoor range about 20 minutes away. Nice range, very nice (and hot) range dudes (most too young for moi, though). Range fees a little pricey on the weekends, but they have chicks-shoot-free Wednesdays just like PSA.

Anyway, I wasn't expecting much out of myself, since I haven't shot at all since TX. I was pretty solid with the 1911, not terrible with the P365, and I put 12 rounds through the 1917 revolver just for funsies. My ammo stash is sadly depleted, so I didn't shoot a lot, just enough to knock some of the rust off. I have not regressed as badly as I feared, but I know I won't ever get better if I only shoot every 4 months...

Posted by: screaming in digital at February 18, 2024 07:35 PM (1eY81)

67 Nice girthy gun thread Weasel!

Dirtbag CO legislators introduced big gun control bills this week so I flipped them the bird by ordering a new Ruger LC carbine in .45 auto from Bud's. Also flipped them another bird and ordered a Banish 45 suppressor from Silencer Central for the new Ruger. The carbine will be here soon but who knows if I will get the suppressor when (not if) they pass the bills and Polesmoker signs it.

Anyway, back to the content......

Posted by: Norman Spiny at February 18, 2024 07:35 PM (3uA6r)

68 By the way, anyone else think we should march on Weaselsan's boss and ask the boss why he has taken our Gunsei away from us?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 18, 2024 07:36 PM (tT6L1)

69 This week I took the Century Arms Galil out for a couple hundred rounds. Yes, it's marked "Galil" even though Century Arms was sued and had to change the stamping to "Golani". This rifle was bought used some years ago and the trigger is off the charts at almost 2 pounds. I polished the feed ramp and did a little bevel work to the chamber entrance as the feed ramp is a little low due to the drunk monkeys who worked at Century Arms back in the day. Slapped an AK 74 type muzzle brake on her from CNC Warrior some time ago and it has worked quite well and looks exotic enough.

She runs like a scalded dog and is very accurate out to 500 yards. On par with any AR I have. She likes the IMI Orlite mags as well as the IDF surplus metal mags which is a big plus.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 18, 2024 07:37 PM (R/m4+)

70 60 Hey Schnorflepuppy, what is the best way to get to the TXMoMe from Ohio?

Thinking of changing the route I normally would take.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 18, 2024 07:28 PM (f0/sc)

Hi Scoob. Waze gave me two asymmetric routes on my route down and my route back in 2021. The route down took me to Champaign, IL, and then down I-57 aaaaaaallllll the way through Illinois, which was uncomfortable for me given the way I was traveling.

The route back took me more diagonally, through Memphis, Nashville, Louisville, and Cincinnati. That's the route Google Maps showed me just now. Definitely preferable to the Illinois {spit} routing.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at February 18, 2024 07:37 PM (v23vE)

71 By the way, anyone else think we should march on Weaselsan's boss and ask the boss why he has taken our Gunsei away from us?

That would probably get him more free time but not in the way he wants.

Posted by: Oddbob at February 18, 2024 07:37 PM (sNc8Y)

72 Blake, nada. Weasel works hard so we can have nice things.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 18, 2024 07:38 PM (7h3oY)

73 57 I do have Kestrel but, it won't do a 1,000 yards. My plan is to spend time practicing and record results so I don't get caught out like this again.. To say there's a huge learning curve is an understatement.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 18, 2024 07:27 PM

The Kestrel will not have the ranges, the ballistic calculator you use will. My Kestrel is linked to their BC and computes everything I need to know.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 18, 2024 07:38 PM (f0/sc)

74 Good evening gub threaders and all the ships at sea!

Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2024 07:38 PM (IFNME)

75 Thank you for the compliment, screaming in digital and I'll return one: good job getting to the range and knocking off some rust.

Remember, though, while your proficiency level may not be where you want it, you're still a lot more proficient than 90% of the American population.

Which puts you well ahead of the game.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 18, 2024 07:39 PM (tT6L1)

76 I would love that Henry 22.

Posted by: rhennigantx at February 18, 2024 07:39 PM (ENQN6)

77 Water bottle dude has to be one of the most excitin........ ..... zzzzzzzzz.
Posted by: GWB

Back from Mass and into the GT, yea Weasel.

I had to advance through the video and only watched and listened to the results.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at February 18, 2024 07:40 PM (n3bku)

78 When did Yakov Smirnov become a gun guy?
What a country!

Posted by: GWB at February 18, 2024 07:40 PM (32nmx)

79 {{{SiD}}} Good going! Sounds like you had fun! Which of course is the whole idea.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 18, 2024 07:40 PM (t/2Uw)

80 70 Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at February 18, 2024 07:37 PM

On my trip I will be avoiding Illinois like the plague. Got a couple of months before I decide.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 18, 2024 07:40 PM (f0/sc)

81 My Kestrel is linked to their BC and computes everything I need to know.

That sounds cool. How does that work? I mean, is the calculator running on your phone and reading the Kestrel via Bluetooth or something? Or is the BC a stand-alone device that interface w/ the Kestrel by cable?

Posted by: Oddbob at February 18, 2024 07:41 PM (sNc8Y)

82 Dunno if that would have made a decisive difference, but guessing it didn't help the outcome. Never heard that story before.
Posted by: TRex at February 18, 2024 07:17 PM (ol7iy)

TRex, if you're interested in reading more about this, I HIGHLY suggest that you get a copy of "Archaeology, History, and Custer's Last Battle" by Richard Allan Fox Jr. The author used archaeology to locate bullets and shell casings left by the combatants. Then, he applied modern ballistics and forensics to ID and track the movement of individual weapons across the battlefield. He concluded that the primary reason that Custer lost was because the Sioux and Cheyenne infiltrated close enough to the L Company positions on Calhoun Hill to neutralize the Springfield's strength in effective range with their firepower advantage from Winchester and Henry rifles. This triggered a rout, which led to a relatively quick collapse of Custer's defense. L Company's 40 troopers may have faced as many as 100 repeaters that day on Calhoun Hill from at least two directions.

Posted by: Ed L at February 18, 2024 07:41 PM (yRXSd)

83 65 There is a movie- Battle of Tripoli I think that shows how a revolution could start. The Algerians were breaking away from France in late 50s. I thought it's a possibility to happen here. But that was before the Marxists took over so been thinking it's not how it will come down.
Posted by: Skip at February 18, 2024 07:35 PM (fwDg9)

The Battle of Algiers, 1966 - directed by Gillo Pontecorvo Occasionally pops up on YouTube for free -- not sure about other streaming options.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at February 18, 2024 07:41 PM (v23vE)

84 I have not regressed as badly as I feared, but I know I won't ever get better if I only shoot every 4 months...
Posted by: screaming in digital
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Dry fire practice can help significantly between range time so you get the most out of the range time. Especially for revolvers shooting double action or any other stiff trigger.

Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 07:42 PM (9FrDg)

85 Here.
Yup, dinner of ribs and Mac n Cheez delayed me.
Weasel! Hope your project winds down quickly.
I meant to add some lab data today to the two new .22 ammos at 150, but then I got high, uhh, lazy. I’ll do it tomorrow.

Posted by: RI Red at February 18, 2024 07:43 PM (cGD0I)

86 She runs like a scalded dog and is very accurate out to 500 yards. On par with any AR I have. She likes the IMI Orlite mags as well as the IDF surplus metal mags which is a big plus.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy

HB, 2 LB trigger? That is really light for a Semi Auto rifle.

Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 07:43 PM (9FrDg)

87 Only gub stuff this week is getting my new scope base and the bottom half of the rings mounted. Debating spending money for a good gub vice and levels, or asking RI Red for halp this time.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 18, 2024 07:44 PM (Wnv9h)

88 Schnorflepuppy at February 18, 2024 07:41 PM
Yes that's it, really thought that's how the Marxists might start a revolution, but they seem to have the upper hand for the moment

Posted by: Skip at February 18, 2024 07:45 PM (fwDg9)

89 I would love that Henry 22.
Posted by: rhennigantx

Betterhalf informed me that if I get sick when it's time to for the TXMOME she's going alone.
If the Henry Golden Boy is what you're looking for it'll be there this year with me or without me.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at February 18, 2024 07:45 PM (n3bku)

90 81 Posted by: Oddbob at February 18, 2024 07:41 PM

Kestrel is linked via Bluetooth to my phone where I installed the BC.
Would love to connect to my Ipad but also want to keep the number of things brought to the range to a minimum. Though the TXMoMe will have me bringing a bunch of stuff. :-)

Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 18, 2024 07:45 PM (f0/sc)

91 Visited Virginia Museum of War (highly recommended - lots of gubs). One exhibit showed a Springfield "Trapdoor" Carbine, model 1884. It was widely used by US Cavalry - including Gen Custer and his troop at the Battle of Little Bighorn.
. . .
Posted by: TRex

I've told this tale before: After my Grampa died, she distributed his weaponry. He had a barn full of rifles - so many they were stacked into the corners of the threshing floor. Anyway, Auntie was P.O.'d at my Mom so she wanted to screw over me and my brothers in the rifle passout event. She didn't know **** about nugs so we received the oldest, most beat up long guns.

I received the above mentioned carbine as it was clearly issued at some point. The SN did not (sad trombone) check out to the 7th Cav but still. I sold it for a king's ransom.

Thanks Aunt L.!

Posted by: Tonypete at February 18, 2024 07:46 PM (7lDkT)

92 Yes that's it, really thought that's how the Marxists might start a revolution, but they seem to have the upper hand for the moment
Posted by: Skip
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The Lefties did a coup instead and are paying the price for it in popularity. No one like Biden much at all and Kamala has even lower ratings which is about the same as Gavin and the endless stupid elite ideas like eliminating gas ranges, getting rid of cars, etc. do not resonate. Poverty is not a selling point for the general population.

Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 07:47 PM (9FrDg)

93 In other range news: The Noreen Carbine X has a red dot on it to go with the scope. Mounted to the side at a 45 degree angle. Went out and got that dialed in. We're now good for 25 yards to 600 yards.

I hope to shoot the Noreen in a match at some point, but, for now, the Noreen remains a lot of fun to shoot.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 18, 2024 07:47 PM (tT6L1)

94 Check and clean the extractor. I had FTE's with my 1911's and it was due to dirty extractors.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 18, 2024 07:13 PM (tT6L1)

I will do that. But how dirty should my 1911 get in one outing? I cleaned it right before ... oh, my last range trip.

And I was getting stovepipes and stuff that just didn't back out far enough.

I also had one failure to fire. Dimpled primer. Dumped it in the "Live Rounds" bucket at the range. (Should that be a plastic bucket?)

Posted by: GWB at February 18, 2024 07:48 PM (32nmx)

95 RMBS!
Offer still stands. We could do a scope mounting , then run out to the range to run it right away.

Posted by: RI Red at February 18, 2024 07:48 PM (cGD0I)

96 Hey Schnorflepuppy, what is the best way to get to the TXMoMe from Ohio?

Posted by: Scuba Dude

Taking the Slawson Cutoff is always a good plan.

Posted by: Tonypete at February 18, 2024 07:48 PM (7lDkT)

97 87 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 18, 2024 07:44 PM

If RI Red offered to help I would jump at it. You can have it installed at Casa de Red and take it to the range to check it out.

And you do not have to spend much for a vise, I think I showed you the one that I have. Very cheap and portable.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 18, 2024 07:49 PM (f0/sc)

98 Went to the range today. DMV MGC day.

Rented a P226 Zev - a P226 to Legion spec plus some other tricks from Zev technologies. Also a factory mounted Romeo One Pro red dot.

We also had two other P226s on deck my West German and Ed L.'s Mk 25. The Zev looked awesome but had a fatal flaw - the dot was so far off you couldn't get your shots on paper. I dialed it to the limits of adjustibility and it was still far off - and the optic precluded use of iron sights.

Apparently abused as a rental. But gave me ome quality time with my West German 226. The new XRAY sights are a big plus. I am pretty dialed in on it now.

Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2024 07:49 PM (IFNME)

99 On my trip I will be avoiding Illinois like the plague. Got a couple of months before I decide.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 18, 2024 07:40 PM (f0/sc)

Yeah, still not sure why Waze decided to send me that way. The other downside, besides Illinois {spit}, is that there is next to nothing along that route for many miles until you reach the bootheel of Missouri. I was starting to get tired and hoping for a town with lodging, but ... nada.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at February 18, 2024 07:49 PM (v23vE)

100 Seen in the Daily Mail:
A man emerges from Terrano’s passenger side carrying a semi-automatic machine gun

and these people try and dictate to us about firearms.

Posted by: Ciampino - Update #40 at February 18, 2024 07:49 PM (qfLjt)

101 I received the above mentioned carbine as it was clearly issued at some point. The SN did not (sad trombone) check out to the 7th Cav but still. I sold it for a king's ransom.

Thanks Aunt L.!
Posted by: Tonypete
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Sorry but you bring up a good point. People should put firearms specifically by serial number in wills or give them to the loved ones before they die. The will point is particularly important if people live in different states as it can ease transferring if as a result of an executed will.

Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 07:50 PM (9FrDg)

102 Posted by: Archer at February 18, 2024 07:21 PM (rskKm)

So, you'll sit in a room full of ice, but you won't shoot outside in the cold? Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Posted by: GWB at February 18, 2024 07:51 PM (32nmx)

103 Taking the Slawson Cutoff is always a good plan.
Posted by: Tonypete at February 18, 2024 07:48 PM (7lDkT)

Johnny Carson will live forever in blessed memory. (Except maybe his ex-spouses' ...)

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at February 18, 2024 07:51 PM (v23vE)

104 And I was getting stovepipes and stuff that just didn't back out far enough.

I also had one failure to fire. Dimpled primer. Dumped it in the "Live Rounds" bucket at the range. (Should that be a plastic bucket?)
Posted by: GWB at February 18, 2024 07:48 PM (32nmx)
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The dirty extractor was completely my fault, I thought I was doing a good job of cleaning and didn't pay attention to the extractor. If you're more diligent cleaning than I was, I may be way off.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 18, 2024 07:51 PM (tT6L1)

105 Taking the Slawson Cutoff is always a good plan.

I've told this story before but back when my kids were pre- or early-teens, we took a road trip to Southern CA. They had no idea why I laughed when I saw the sign to the Slauson Cutoff. I tried to explain it but...

Posted by: Oddbob at February 18, 2024 07:52 PM (sNc8Y)

106 HB, 2 LB trigger? That is really light for a Semi Auto rifle.
Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 07:43 PM (9FrDg)

Yup...always takes me by surprise a little. I like a nice 4-5 lb trigger with a sharp break.

The trigger has that double hook ak type but no markings on it. I used my Wheeler digital trigger gauge on it an 2 was the high number.

Smooth with no shelf and quick snap brake. Crazy.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 18, 2024 07:52 PM (R/m4+)

107 82 TRex, if you're interested in reading more about this, I HIGHLY suggest that you get a copy of "Archaeology, History, and Custer's Last Battle" by Richard Allan Fox Jr.

Posted by: Ed L at February 18, 2024 07:41 PM
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Thank you Ed! We've walked the battlefield so looking forward to reading.

Posted by: TRex at February 18, 2024 07:52 PM (ol7iy)

108 In the meantime, I could use some Gub thread horde advice.
I’m about to order an AR 10 kit in .308. PSA. Yet all of the u tube videos I watch don’t impress me with performance. I want a 20” SS bbl, and will undoubtedly upgrade the trigger and bed the barrel.
Has anyone had really good luck with a build? I want sub MOA, otherwise I'll just do a new boltie.

Posted by: RI Red at February 18, 2024 07:52 PM (cGD0I)

109 And you do not have to spend much for a vise, I think I showed you the one that I have. Very cheap and portable.
Posted by: Scuba Dude

MTM makes some decent light wt. gun vises for well less than 50 bucks. Solvent resistant too.

Wait on an expensive one as you may not know what you plan to do with the vise and a basic foldup and easily stored plastic MTM vise can always be used at the range for cleaning, etc.

There are other brands out there but MTM has a good name and an excellent price over time.

Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 07:53 PM (9FrDg)

110 101-ish?
Went to prime a bunch of.45 Colt for cowboy shooting. My RCBS hand priming tool wouldn’t hold the cases steady, so there’s a new one coming tomorrow from Frankford Armory.
Good evening to everyone and thanks Weasel!

Posted by: Coelacanth at February 18, 2024 07:53 PM (P9pDS)

111 Offer still stands. We could do a scope mounting , then run out to the range to run it right away.
Posted by: RI Red at February 18, 2024 07:48 PM

Much obliged. I can do pretty much any Saturday that works for you. Le5 me know what works, and my rifle and I will be there.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 18, 2024 07:54 PM (Wnv9h)

112 100 Seen in the Daily Mail:
A man emerges from Terrano’s passenger side carrying a semi-automatic machine gun

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That's what the Germans used when they attacked Pearl Harbor.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at February 18, 2024 07:54 PM (bo7UB)

113 Another trip to the pistol range last Sunday. I've got one scheduled for tomorrow, too.

My targets are improving. I am getting used to the remarkable agility of firing a 9mm semiautomatic in single-action mode. The percentage of shots that I know were bad before I hear the bang is way too high, but at least I know which ones were the good shots.

I feel motivated -- no, excited. I want to get good at this, whatever it takes. I was, once, but it was with .22 rifles.

I used to wonder why people thought they needed 6,000 rounds of ammo. Now I think of that as 30 range trips, which goes by pretty quickly if you're shooting weekly.

Posted by: Splunge at February 18, 2024 07:54 PM (RJRgO)

114 I received the above mentioned carbine as it was clearly issued at some point. The SN did not (sad trombone) check out to the 7th Cav but still. I sold it for a king's ransom.
Thanks Aunt L.!
Posted by: Tonypete at February 18, 2024 07:46 PM (7lDkT)

Wow! Good for you Tonypete!

Pretty cool...

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 18, 2024 07:55 PM (R/m4+)

115 111 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 18, 2024 07:54 PM

Mini MoMe in the works, or is it a MicroMoMe?

Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 18, 2024 07:55 PM (f0/sc)

116 And you do not have to spend much for a vise, I think I showed you the one that I have. Very cheap and portable.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 18, 2024 07:49 PM

I like that one. Will buy eventually. I just bought an Alaskan cruise.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 18, 2024 07:55 PM (Wnv9h)

117 I picked up two new gubs: A stainless Colt Python with a 2.5" barrel and one of the new blued Pythons with a 6" barrel. Due to today's long wait time at the range, I didn't get a chance to zero them. Instead, we shot at some close range targets and compared them with a couple of vintage Pythons. The new 2.5" snubbie shot fairly well at 10 yards in double action. It's not a precision shooter, but it's not meant to do that in double action. In single action, it can do pretty well at 10 yards. The 6" barreled blue Python did pretty well against the zombie target Sharon brought. I substituted a vintage rubber Pachmyr Presentation grip for the new wood laminate grips from the factory because I think the rubber gives me a better grip with .357 Magnum rounds. Compared to the vintage Royal Blue Python finish, the new blue finish is a distant second. But by modern 2024 standards, it's pretty good. I'm surprised that Colt's MSRP on the blued Python models is only $1599. I expected it to be significantly more than that.

Posted by: Ed L at February 18, 2024 07:56 PM (yRXSd)

118 Mini MoMe in the works, or is it a MicroMoMe?
Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 18, 2024 07:55 PM

I leave that up to Red.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 18, 2024 07:56 PM (Wnv9h)

119 Hey Blake, what was the weather in the pictures above? Obviously no snow or rain, but what was the temp?

Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 18, 2024 07:56 PM (f0/sc)

120 I won't be using it for a long, long time but I just bought a Howa M1500 APC flag-chassis bolt-action rifle ["precision long range" one store here calls them] in 6.5 Creedmoor.

It was $620 off, circa Cdn $1,400; came with a 'free' bipod [although I understand sandbags are better for steadying]; has a muzzle break; two 10-round magazines [allowed for bolt-actions here, even in larger-calibre ammo]; and had the short Picatinny rail also included to take its [eventual] scope.

Similar rifles e.g. Tikka were 75-150% more expensive; didn't have all the same accouterments; and had smaller magazines.

Quite the suggested breaking-in process as shown below ironically, given the above comment, using copper-jacketed ammo suggested:
http://tinyurl.com/439x8nxa
14:01 minutes

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 18, 2024 07:57 PM (2yu8s)

121 Posted by: screaming in digital at February 18, 2024 07:35 PM (1eY81)

BE the range babe we all know you are.

Posted by: GWB at February 18, 2024 07:58 PM (32nmx)

122 I’m about to order an AR 10 kit in .308. PSA. Yet all of the u tube videos I watch don’t impress me with performance. I want a 20” SS bbl, and will undoubtedly upgrade the trigger and bed the barrel.
Has anyone had really good luck with a build? I want sub MOA, otherwise I'll just do a new boltie.
Posted by: RI Red
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A bolt action is more likely to be consistently sub MOA with different ammo. ARs, like most other semi auto rifles, requires fidding with different ammo to get its best results much like .22 LRs do.

Three critical components of an accurate AR requiring quality are the bolt, the barrel, the trigger. Don't skimp on quality there.

Stocks are highly personalized but easily replaced so I would consider a basic A2 type stock at first if average height.

Last but not least, consider putting an adjustable gas block on it (the better ones, not the cheapos) as this allows you to easily tune the gas system for different ammo. The buffer method is not recommended unless you like tinkering and expense.

Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 07:58 PM (9FrDg)

123 Mini MoMe in the works, or is it a MicroMoMe?
Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 18, 2024 07:55 PM

I leave that up to Red.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState
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Will there be lasagna?

Posted by: screaming in digital at February 18, 2024 07:59 PM (1eY81)

124 Also, sra blaster's older sister is having a birthday, so she decided she needs to arm up her fam. The sister had trouble with the slide on a Sig P365 so we have acquired a S&W M&P EZ 9mm.

Looking forward totaking her to the range to try it out.

Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2024 07:59 PM (IFNME)

125 113 Posted by: Splunge at February 18, 2024 07:54 PM

Which is why Weasel and others always say "Buy Ammo"

As I resident in NYS/NYC, they instituted a background check when buying ammo at brick and mortar stores. To avoid that I am thinking of taking a drive to the nearest Cabela's in PA and get what I need.

Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 18, 2024 07:59 PM (f0/sc)

126 as the feed ramp is a little low due to the drunk monkeys who worked at Century Arms back in the day

Pfft. They were stone sober compared to us, Comrade!

Posted by: Izhmash at February 18, 2024 08:00 PM (a3Q+t)

127 Will there be lasagna?
Posted by: screaming in digital at February 18, 2024 07:59 PM

Not sure, but Red did reference a pretty good looking Italian place in that AO, so could be.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 18, 2024 08:00 PM (Wnv9h)

128 116 I like that one. Will buy eventually. I just bought an Alaskan cruise.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 18, 2024 07:55 PM

In what caliber? :-p

Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 18, 2024 08:00 PM (f0/sc)

129 Hey Blake, what was the weather in the pictures above? Obviously no snow or rain, but what was the temp?
Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 18, 2024 07:56 PM (f0/sc)
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Those pictures were taken May of last year, AZ high desert. It was about 80 degrees out with a UV load that was off the charts. It's the range I shot the match on, just a different time of year.

Yesterday was clear and cool, about 50, and very windy.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 18, 2024 08:00 PM (tT6L1)

130 Picked up an HK VP9SK 9mm with FDE slide and Holosun optic recently.

Posted by: Halfhand at February 18, 2024 08:01 PM (vJSFc)

131 Always good for a get together!
Only 300 yards right now - I’m too old/ragged to walk to the snowed-in upper range.
I’ll check my calendar at the office on Tuesday. Next weekend may be fine.

Posted by: RI Red at February 18, 2024 08:02 PM (cGD0I)

132 I like that one. Will buy eventually. I just bought an Alaskan cruise.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 18, 2024 07:55 PM

In what caliber? :-p
Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 18, 2024 08:00 PM

One of those weird Norwegian wildcats.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 18, 2024 08:02 PM (Wnv9h)

133 Always good for a get together!
Only 300 yards right now - I’m too old/ragged to walk to the snowed-in upper range.
I’ll check my calendar at the office on Tuesday. Next weekend may be fine.
Posted by: RI Red at February 18, 2024 08:02 PM

I could be game. Just need a 100 yard zero for now.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 18, 2024 08:03 PM (Wnv9h)

134 Compared to the vintage Royal Blue Python finish, the new blue finish is a distant second. But by modern 2024 standards, it's pretty good. I'm surprised that Colt's MSRP on the blued Python models is only $1599. I expected it to be significantly more than that.
Posted by: Ed L
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Modern methods of polishing give you a decent finish which is why blued mass production firearms aren't appreciably higher. The Royal Blue pythons or the double diamond stainless required master polishers with years of experience to produce and that expertise is now gone at Colt. The flame blued Colts will never be duplicated as they used flaming gasoline baths to do it which the EPA would have a stroke over.

There are a few people out there that can duplicate the Royal Blue quality but they are pricey specialists with long waiting lists.

Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 08:03 PM (9FrDg)

135 Want to know the really crazy thing about shooting long distance on a regular basis? It makes one think they're on almost on top of the target at 100 yards.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 18, 2024 08:03 PM (tT6L1)

136 Posted by: TRex at February 18, 2024 07:52 PM (ol7iy)

I visited Little Bighorn a few times in the mid-90s when I was in Rapid City, SD. At the time, the "official" history of the battle given by the NPS was more akin to that shown in Errol Flynn's portrayal of Custer in 1941's "They Died With Their Boots On." Fox's book at the time stirred up controversy, but it didn't take long before its interpretation of the battle is now the official NPS version.

Posted by: Ed L at February 18, 2024 08:03 PM (yRXSd)

137 RI Red, I have 2 of the 20" SS Palmetto's in 308. They're excellent. I have the Gen 2's and they've been reliable workhorses. Like all of my rifles, they're sub MOA when ever I am!! Why would you bed a free floating barrel?

Posted by: ck at February 18, 2024 08:04 PM (ljHmZ)

138 Ok folks, calling it a night.

Thanks Weasel for carving out this piece of Sunday to talk about this fun hobby.

Have a good week everyone!!

Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 18, 2024 08:04 PM (f0/sc)

139 123
SID, best comment of the week!

Posted by: Grateful at February 18, 2024 08:04 PM (ol7iy)

140 Remember, though, while your proficiency level may not be where you want it, you're still a lot more proficient than 90% of the American population.

Which puts you well ahead of the game.
Posted by: blake
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Thank you. If I can keep my head out of my own ass, things go a lot better.

Posted by: screaming in digital at February 18, 2024 08:04 PM (1eY81)

141 Have a good week everyone!!
Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 18, 2024 08:04 PM

Peace out, Scoob.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 18, 2024 08:06 PM (Wnv9h)

142 123
SID, best comment of the week!
Posted by: Grateful at February 18, 2024 08:04 PM

A perfect fusion of Fud and Gub Threads.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 18, 2024 08:07 PM (Wnv9h)

143 Well, time to wander. I've got a pooch to get out for her evening walk.

later!

And, thanks for the reminder about recording DA, weasel!

Have a good one!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 18, 2024 08:07 PM (tT6L1)

144 Picked up an HK VP9SK 9mm with FDE slide and Holosun optic recently.
Posted by: Halfhand at February 18, 2024 08:01 PM

If you bought it new, don't forget to get your $200 credit on the HK webstore, good for ~4 "free" magazines (or whatever else you might want).

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 18, 2024 08:08 PM (a3Q+t)

145 I will do that. But how dirty should my 1911 get in one outing? I cleaned it right before ... oh, my last range trip.

And I was getting stovepipes and stuff that just didn't back out far enough.

I also had one failure to fire. Dimpled primer. Dumped it in the "Live Rounds" bucket at the range. (Should that be a plastic bucket?)
Posted by: GWB
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GWB, different ammo? Stove piping is caused by not enough energy to push the expelled case into the ejector (not extractor) with force. A weak recoil spring will normally cause the slide to move too fast and you end up getting double feeds, or no feed from the mag.

A firing pin spring that is too worn or a dirty firing pin channel can result in the dimpled primer or the ammo can have too hard a primer (cheap import ammo can be particularly bad about it).

Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 08:08 PM (9FrDg)

146 SiD, we could definitely do lasagna, but it might be a bit of a drive for you. Certainly for Ben Had.
All, let me coordinate with Mrs. Red and see what we can put together for folks able to navigate to Northern New Hampshire.
If you haven’t tried shooting in deep winter, you’re missing out on an experience. I recommend hand warmers in your gloves and with your magazines.
Bullets go a lot slower in low density altitude.

Posted by: RI Red at February 18, 2024 08:09 PM (cGD0I)

147 {{{SiD}}} Good going! Sounds like you had fun! Which of course is the whole idea.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)
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It was fun - except for when I was packing the range bag and realized how low my stash of 9mm and .45 ACP is. I had stupidly put the .45 ACP box on the bottom of a stack as well.

Got a trail run in on the way home too. If I can't shoot the bad guy, maybe I can outrun him.

Posted by: screaming in digital at February 18, 2024 08:09 PM (1eY81)

148 Have my dad's Henry 22, not sure where it should go but don't feel it's mine. Should get passed down a generation

Posted by: Skip at February 18, 2024 08:10 PM (fwDg9)

149 directed by Gillo Pontecorvo Occasionally pops up
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at February 18, 2024 07:41 PM (v23vE)

Now, THIS is why punctuation is important. Without the period in there, I kept trying to pronounce the guy's whole name as "Gillo Pontecorvo Occasionally". I was trying to make "Occasionally" sound more Italian and not succeeding the way I thought I should.

Posted by: GWB at February 18, 2024 08:10 PM (32nmx)

150 Why would you bed a free floating barrel?
Posted by: ck at February 18, 2024 08:04 PM

Bedding a barrel on an AR refers to using Locktite or similar when attaching the barrel to the upper receiver.

Not 'glassing' the handguards.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 18, 2024 08:10 PM (a3Q+t)

151 Past bed time and need all rest I can get
Hope everyone has a great evening

Posted by: Skip at February 18, 2024 08:10 PM (fwDg9)

152 Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 08:03 PM (9FrDg)

The Colt Custom Shop offers Royal Blue as an option for 1911s and SAAs. It isn't cheap. Royal Blue on an SAA will set you back almost $3,500. That alone is the MSRP of a new, but plain SAA from Colt. I haven't had the chance (nor am I likely to) compare the vintage and current versions side by side, though.

Posted by: Ed L at February 18, 2024 08:12 PM (yRXSd)

153 #149 Occasionally in Italian: Occasionalmente

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 18, 2024 08:14 PM (2yu8s)

154 ck, good to hear. I’m so spoiled with my accurate rifles that I wouldn’t want to spend the money on an average “battle rifle”.
I’d only bed the receiver to take all wobble out. I’ve found it is probably the best starting point to tack-driving.

Posted by: RI Red at February 18, 2024 08:15 PM (cGD0I)

155 Posted by: RI Red at February 18, 2024 07:52 PM (cGD0I)

RI Red, take a look at Bear Creek Arsenal stuff. They're the folks who build a lot of side-charging ARs. They have a wide variety of barrels. With a PSA AR-10 lower, I think you might be stuck with PSA uppers.

Posted by: GWB at February 18, 2024 08:17 PM (32nmx)

156 136 I visited Little Bighorn a few times in the mid-90s when I was in Rapid City, SD.... Fox's book at the time stirred up controversy, but it didn't take long before its interpretation of the battle is now the official NPS version.

Posted by: Ed L at February 18, 2024 08:03 PM
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Good to know. As with most military engagements, we had a much better sense after being there. Seeing the landscape, distances, topography, etc. was incredibly helpful. Nothing is ever going to be exactly how it looked at the time, but there's no substitute your own on-the-ground perspective.

Posted by: TRex at February 18, 2024 08:18 PM (ol7iy)

157 Mini MoMe in the works, or is it a MicroMoMe?
Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 18, 2024 07:55 PM (f0/sc)

Or, if it's just two, is it a MoMo?

Posted by: GWB at February 18, 2024 08:19 PM (32nmx)

158 Bedding a barrel on an AR refers to using Locktite or similar when attaching the barrel to the upper receiver.

Not 'glassing' the handguards.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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That is only used by people that care to burn up their barrel through competitive shooting seasons--essentially you are permanently attaching the upper to the barrel. Competitive shooters with high round counts do it because they had sponsors and the cost of the barrel and upper is pennies compared to ammo costs.

FWIW, MTU shooters used to bed the upper receiver into the lower one with epoxy compounds.

If you properly torque an AR barrel or AR10 barrel, you seldom have problems with accuracy if you lap the upper receiver area to concentricity prior to barrel installation.

The joker in AR accuracy is the bolt lug engagement with the barrel extension. Like an accurized bolt rifle, lug engagement needs to be equal across the lugs and somewhere around 80 percent or so at least. AR's with poor bolt lug engagement will throw fliers and often the bolt will not last as long. Weird designs like dual extractors can be worse in that case as AR bolts are a consumable and meant to be replaced on a regular basis.

Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 08:19 PM (9FrDg)

159 Dry fire practice can help significantly between range time so you get the most out of the range time. Especially for revolvers shooting double action or any other stiff trigger.
Posted by: whig
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I used to be in the habit of doing penny drills with the Sig.

I'm not sure why, but I have never done dry fire drills with my revolvers. I do have snap caps in all the needed calibers.

Posted by: screaming in digital at February 18, 2024 08:19 PM (1eY81)

160 GWB, yes, I think you’re right. There is no industry standard AR 10, so I think you can’t mix and match very much. I’ll take a look at BearCreek.

Posted by: RI Red at February 18, 2024 08:20 PM (cGD0I)

161 Where ever two or more morons are gathered, there shall a MoMe be.

Posted by: TRex at February 18, 2024 08:20 PM (ol7iy)

162 Some time next week or so Mrs. E, hogmartin, and I plan to burn some precious .357 ammo.

Posted by: Eromero at February 18, 2024 08:21 PM (NxC5+)

163 A guide for beginning hog hunters:

https://www.outdoorlife.com/hunting/hog-hunting/

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 18, 2024 08:21 PM (a3Q+t)

164 Guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at February 18, 2024 08:23 PM (xcxpd)

165 Ed L.'s new Cobra is a nice shooter. He gave me .357 magnums to shoot. It is...loud. And fireball-y.

Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2024 08:23 PM (IFNME)

166 Where ever two or more morons are gathered, there shall a MoMe be.
Posted by: TRex at February 18, 2024 08:20 PM

This is wisdom.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 18, 2024 08:25 PM (Wnv9h)

167 Bear Creek AR-10 receivers are low profile, like PSA. They'll fit just fine.

Posted by: ck at February 18, 2024 08:25 PM (ljHmZ)

168 The Colt Custom Shop offers Royal Blue as an option for 1911s and SAAs. It isn't cheap. Royal Blue on an SAA will set you back almost $3,500. That alone is the MSRP of a new, but plain SAA from Colt. I haven't had the chance (nor am I likely to) compare the vintage and current versions side by side, though.
Posted by: Ed L
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Doug Turnbull Restorations does an excellent job on restoring a finish. There are a couple of gunsmiths out West that do as well. One is a Colt specialist in Phoenix and I think another is in Wyoming or some close like Idaho.

Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 08:26 PM (9FrDg)

169 Here is the story of the Muscle Shoals Sound. This is a really good story!

If you love music, it most definitely is. Great choice, Weasel.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 18, 2024 08:26 PM (V8he0)

170 As with most military engagements, we had a much better sense after being there. Seeing the landscape, distances, topography, etc. was incredibly helpful. Nothing is ever going to be exactly how it looked at the time, but there's no substitute your own on-the-ground perspective.
Posted by: TRex at February 18, 2024 08:18 PM (ol7iy)
I remember standing in Keough's position and trying to visualize how quickly he got overrun. It must have been over for his troop in seconds.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 18, 2024 08:26 PM (PWe8a)

171 Posted by: TRex at February 18, 2024 08:18 PM (ol7iy)

Fox's book also includes numerous maps which plot the locations of shell casings, bullets, memorial markers, and more on the Little Bighorn battlefield. Walking the battlefield with those maps in hand really helped me understand how Fox came to his conclusions about the battle, and how the Hollywood/dime novel version held up as "fact" for over a century was little more than a fairy tale.

Posted by: Ed L at February 18, 2024 08:27 PM (yRXSd)

172 The Nurse's kids and kid-in-law came shooting. The new addition to the family wanted to try a Glock 17 and "other inexpensive handguns for home defense". So...I brought a bag full for people to try

G17, XD9, M&P Compact, PSA Dagger, P-07, P-10C, TP-9SF. The CZ P-10c got good marks for ergos and trigger but the aggressive stippling was not enjoyed. Second place went to the PSA Dagger, to my surprise and quiet enjoyment (I do love that gun) and third went to the CZ P-07.

It was interesting seeing everyone try the pistols and seeing what clicked with people and what did not. Some surprises there.

The 1911 in .45 also had good results but there was confusion with the external safety and the single action operation.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at February 18, 2024 08:28 PM (xcxpd)

173 Any reloaders in the house? My FIL gave me his old RCBS single stage press and "all the fixin's" - all I really need are dies. Thinking I'd like to handload .223 Rem precision (have a 1-8 twist, 20" HBAR .223 Wylde AR). Any good reloading manuals/tables you all consider as gospel? Other suggestions for once I get started? Figure on starting on rounds for 200yds - local rifle club shoots reduced targets at that actual distance.

Posted by: MD_Mike at February 18, 2024 08:28 PM (BouEL)

174 I shot one of Ed's revolvers and am always amazed at how there is no recoil. Also the sight on it was amazing. It seemed almost like a red dot.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 18, 2024 08:29 PM (t/2Uw)

175 Blake, looks like a great long range.
My weak spot has always been windage. Even with a .22, spin drift is a thing, plus real wind.
My 2024 resolution is to get better at it.

Posted by: RI Red at February 18, 2024 08:30 PM (cGD0I)

176 Where ever two or more morons are gathered, there shall a MoMe be.
Posted by: TRex at February 18, 2024 08:20 PM

There is iron in your words of camaraderie for all Morons to see.

Posted by: Duncanthrax Ten Bears at February 18, 2024 08:30 PM (a3Q+t)

177 AR-10 patterns, fwiw, are the DMPS low, DMPS high, and the original Armalite design. PSA uses DMPS low uppers, Aero Precision uses DMPS high. Neither of these will work with the original Armalite AR10 uppers.

There is also specification creep as unlike the original AR-15-M-16 where the specs are well understood, people making the AR-10's are less consistent between uppers and lowers even within the DMPS stds.

Buy your upper and lower from the same source to avoid troubles in AR10 land. Not necessary really in AR-15 land.

Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 08:30 PM (9FrDg)

178 SiD, we could definitely do lasagna, but it might be a bit of a drive for you. Certainly for Ben Had.
All, let me coordinate with Mrs. Red and see what we can put together for folks able to navigate to Northern New Hampshire.
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I wasn't trying to invite myself. Well, maybe a little. :-)

At the moment, my ability to travel is rather limited because reasons. So I won't crash the party.

Posted by: screaming in digital at February 18, 2024 08:30 PM (1eY81)

179 I visited Little Bighorn a few times in the mid-90s when I was in Rapid City, SD.... Fox's book at the time stirred up controversy, but it didn't take long before its interpretation of the battle is now the official NPS version.

Posted by: Ed L at February 18, 2024 08:03 PM
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Good to know. As with most military engagements, we had a much better sense after being there. Seeing the landscape, distances, topography, etc. was incredibly helpful. Nothing is ever going to be exactly how it looked at the time, but there's no substitute your own on-the-ground perspective.
Posted by: TRex at February 18, 2024 08:18 PM (ol7iy)

Agreed. Seeing the Perryville battlefield, I was shocked at how close the two sides were at points of contact. Literally just down a smallish hill. Less than 50 feet I'd say. Imagine everyone blazing away and cannon firing at 50 feet....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at February 18, 2024 08:30 PM (xcxpd)

180 Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2024 08:23 PM (IFNME)

It's a Python.

Posted by: Ed L at February 18, 2024 08:31 PM (yRXSd)

181 173 Any reloaders in the house? My FIL gave me his old RCBS single stage press and "all the fixin's" - all I really need are dies. Thinking I'd like to handload .223 Rem precision (have a 1-8 twist, 20" HBAR .223 Wylde AR). Any good reloading manuals/tables you all consider as gospel? Other suggestions for once I get started? Figure on starting on rounds for 200yds - local rifle club shoots reduced targets at that actual distance.
Posted by: MD_Mike

Get some match commercial ammo first to establish if there are any issues with the rifle that need to be addressed as far as accuracy.

Then, it depends on what powder and what bullets are required (if there is no such power factor or the like in the competition or limitations on bullets).

The .223/5.56 accuracy depends on bullet quality and brass prep consistency with the appropriate powders for the bullet weight you are firing.

Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 08:33 PM (9FrDg)

182 GWB, different ammo?
Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 08:08 PM (9FrDg)

I started out shooting Republic FMJ 115 grain, and it wasn't too bad. But I did have a couple of ejection issues. (I think 1 stovepipe, and then one that didn't quite back out enough and got wedged at an angle between the slide and the chamber.)

When I picked it up again I started on a box of CCi Blazer 115 grain FMJ. And the issues got more frequent.

Mind you I have had issues with this weapon before. Cleaning it helped a lot with my last outing. Switching to 124 grain might have helped with one range outing.

Posted by: GWB at February 18, 2024 08:34 PM (32nmx)

183 130 Picked up an HK VP9SK 9mm with FDE slide and Holosun optic recently.
Posted by: Halfhand at February 18, 2024 08:01 PM (vJSFc)

Nice!
Looking forward to your thoughts.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at February 18, 2024 08:34 PM (xcxpd)

184 Any good reloading manuals/tables you all consider as gospel?

There is a book titled "The ABCs of Reloading" that covers all the how-tos and why-tos. Data for your specific cartridge can be found on various component (primarily powder) manufacturers' websites.

Posted by: Oddbob at February 18, 2024 08:34 PM (sNc8Y)

185 Posted by: Eromero at February 18, 2024 08:21 PM (NxC5+)

If you want some hot .357 ammo, remind me and I can bring it to TX. It's probably a bit too hot for revolver newbies getting their feet wet w/ .357 Magnum for the first time.

Posted by: Ed L at February 18, 2024 08:34 PM (yRXSd)

186 Posted by: MD_Mike at February 18, 2024 08:28 PM

Get a copy of "The ABCs of Reloading" by Dean Grenell (I think it's up to its 10th Edition) to start learning about the overall process.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 18, 2024 08:35 PM (a3Q+t)

187 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 18, 2024 08:29 PM (t/2Uw)

.38 Special out of a Colt Python is always quite mild. Except for the snub nose Pythons.

Posted by: Ed L at February 18, 2024 08:36 PM (yRXSd)

188 Mostly, don't get wrapped around the axle trying to build perfect handloads the first time out. Start with a known safe load, experiment from there and take good notes. It's an iterative process.

Posted by: Oddbob at February 18, 2024 08:36 PM (sNc8Y)

189 When I picked it up again I started on a box of CCi Blazer 115 grain FMJ. And the issues got more frequent.
Posted by: GWB at February 18, 2024 08:34 PM

Blazer 115g is a little weak, IME, and can contribute to those kind of issues.

Cabela's/Bass Pro Shops Herter's house brand ammo is made by Winchester, BTW.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 18, 2024 08:39 PM (a3Q+t)

190 Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 18, 2024 08:26 PM (PWe8a)

Based on Fox's book, I think Keough's troop lasted three to five minutes, tops. I agree w/ Fox's assessment that the fighting was over in about half an hour from start to finish.

Posted by: Ed L at February 18, 2024 08:40 PM (yRXSd)

191 Mostly, don't get wrapped around the axle trying to build perfect handloads the first time out. Start with a known safe load, experiment from there and take good notes. It's an iterative process.
Posted by: Oddbob

Agreed. Just get started. I remember my first hand load. I took it out on the porch and aimed for the forest with my head turned.
I’m still here today.

Posted by: RI Red at February 18, 2024 08:41 PM (cGD0I)

192 I started out shooting Republic FMJ 115 grain, and it wasn't too bad. But I did have a couple of ejection issues. (I think 1 stovepipe, and then one that didn't quite back out enough and got wedged at an angle between the slide and the chamber.)

When I picked it up again I started on a box of CCi Blazer 115 grain FMJ. And the issues got more frequent.

Mind you I have had issues with this weapon before. Cleaning it helped a lot with my last outing. Switching to 124 grain might have helped with one range outing.
Posted by: GWB
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Need some spicier ammo 115 gr. as the range ammo is probably not cutting it with the slide velocity.

Try firing some self defense ammo in 115 gr. as that is usually loaded up a bit more. What you want is somewhere north of 1200 fps loadings.

Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 08:41 PM (9FrDg)

193 Speaking being at the place of military engagements - wow Gettysburg. The Devil's Den. Wow.

Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2024 08:43 PM (IFNME)

194 Didn't do any serious gub stuff this weekend, but I did snag a box of 50 Fiocchi 115 grain FMJ 9 mm for twenty dollars at the flea market.

One guy had a WWII-vintage Webley with the cylinder cut for .45 ACP, for $675, but it was in rough shape.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 18, 2024 08:44 PM (tkR6S)

195 170 I remember standing in Keough's position and trying to visualize how quickly he got overrun. It must have been over for his troop in seconds.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 18, 2024 08:26 PM
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Time is an underappreciated element of learning about military conflicts. Things happen slowly, then all of a sudden. Bighorn had several small sub-battles and each ended quickly. The whole thing took less than an hour.

Big difference whether battles develop over minutes, hours, days, etc. Bunker Hill took two hours. Gettysburg took three days.

Posted by: TRex at February 18, 2024 08:44 PM (ol7iy)

196 .38 Special out of a Colt Python is always quite mild. Except for the snub nose Pythons.
Posted by: Ed L at February 18, 2024 08:36 PM (yRXSd)

But not as hot as out of my Bond Arms derringer!

Posted by: GWB at February 18, 2024 08:44 PM (32nmx)

197 On the way to a VaMoMe, we stopped at Bull Run. The area of fighting is just not that large. I could feel the lead going by.

Posted by: RI Red at February 18, 2024 08:45 PM (cGD0I)

198 Toast as clays. : o )

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 18, 2024 08:45 PM (8sMut)

199 GWB,
One other thing that can sometimes cause issues but is rare today is the chamber. A rough chamber will make it harder to extract which can cause stove pipes, etc. as it slows the slide velocity. A dirty chamber, particularly one with a carbon/brass ring close to the throat can also give problems with excess effort by the slide to extract the cartridge.

Can be hard to see in a rifle but with the barrel out of the 1911, should be much easier to see and diagnose.

Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 08:46 PM (9FrDg)

200 193 Speaking being at the place of military engagements - wow Gettysburg. The Devil's Den. Wow.

Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2024 08:43 PM
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Nuts. Has to be very, very haunted.

Posted by: TRex at February 18, 2024 08:48 PM (ol7iy)

201 Reading the thread while listening to old news broadcasts from West Germany from fall 1989.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 18, 2024 08:48 PM (8sMut)

202 Try firing some self defense ammo in 115 gr. as that is usually loaded up a bit more. What you want is somewhere north of 1200 fps loadings.
Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 08:41 PM (9FrDg)

Oof. That's gonna get expensive in a hurry. And it's why I had previously switched to 124 grain. Guess I might have to go back to that. And maybe it's time to save up some pennies and move up a notch in guns.

Things were getting so bad, I only shot 30 rounds out of a 50rd box before I gave up and switched back to the .45 1911.

Posted by: GWB at February 18, 2024 08:48 PM (32nmx)

203 GWB, I had some trouble with the Kimber 1911 today. Ed insists I need to clean it. I mean it's been cleaned once. My Glock doesn;t get tempermental like that. I'm pretty nervous about tryiing to cleaen it without supervision. The one time it has been done, Blaster did it when he puton the new grips.
Sigh. I suppose I will have to figure it out.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 18, 2024 08:50 PM (t/2Uw)

204 Last month a guy at the range who turned out to be a SEAL sniper instructor had one 'a them Garmin chronos.

As usual with the guys who have the wild precision rifle set-ups, I made a point to go ask him about his gear during a cease-fire. He had one of those amazing looking custom rifles, was shooting prone of course. To his left on a small tripod stood a gadget just bigger than a cigarette pack (more or less). The Garmin chrono. He said it was easier to use than the LabRadar.

I chided him of course for not having the electronic target set-up (which several of the precision shooters who come to the range have), so he had to rely on a spotting scope. He was just testing loads (caliber was 6 Dasher, which I'd never heard of, but Weasel says is quite the teen craze among many distance shooters).

He said that caliber in his rifle was so easy it felt like cheating. But of course he's a pro sniper. This rifle and his ammo were for PRS matches, which he said he gets to when he can.

In any case, he liked the Garmin chrono.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 18, 2024 08:50 PM (GcNJ2)

205 179 Seeing the Perryville battlefield, I was shocked at how close the two sides were at points of contact. Literally just down a smallish hill. Less than 50 feet I'd say. Imagine everyone blazing away and cannon firing at 50 feet....

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at February 18, 2024 08:30 PM
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This. Hard to imagine in the abstract. Perhaps harder after seeing it in person. The last place that gave me that sense was the Burnside bridge at Antietam.

Posted by: TRex at February 18, 2024 08:51 PM (ol7iy)

206 The woke have no idea that the Battle of Little Big Horn was just one battle in the Sioux war that partly started at the request of the Crow and other tribes that had their land taken by the Lakota tribes.

Posted by: Naples Yellow at February 18, 2024 08:52 PM (w6AZl)

207 Oh and the Kimber definitely preferes Fiocci to Blazer but mine is a 9mm.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 18, 2024 08:54 PM (t/2Uw)

208 I always wanted to go to Thermopylae to see the 'Gate of Fire' and then I saw some photos . Probably the most nondescript place in Greece.

Posted by: Naples Yellow at February 18, 2024 08:55 PM (w6AZl)

209 Don't......... Don't !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Moscow will fire nuclear weapons at Washington and other Western capitals if it is forced to give up the Ukrainian territory it has taken over, Dmitry Medvedev, a close ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, has warned.

Posted by: Joe Biden at February 18, 2024 08:57 PM (qpLSv)

210 208 I always wanted to go to Thermopylae to see the 'Gate of Fire' and then I saw some photos . Probably the most nondescript place in Greece.
Posted by: Naples Yellow at February 18, 2024 08:55 PM (w6AZl)

Nondescript perhaps, but historical.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 18, 2024 08:58 PM (8sMut)

211 Nuts. Has to be very, very haunted.
Posted by: TRex at February 18, 2024 08:48 PM (ol7iy)

When we were filming the movie Gettysburg, one evening just at dusk a few of us snuck into Devil's Den and stayed there, very still and silent, for a couple of hours. Very eerie feeling about that place, especially after dark.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 18, 2024 08:58 PM (PWe8a)

212 A rough chamber will make it harder to extract which can cause stove pipes, etc. as it slows the slide velocity.
Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 08:46 PM (9FrDg)

There are some shiny spots on the feed ramp and at the top edge where it transitions to the chamber.

I'm not sure about a carbon ring....

Posted by: GWB at February 18, 2024 08:58 PM (32nmx)

213 209 Don't......... Don't !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Moscow will fire nuclear weapons at Washington and other Western capitals if it is forced to give up the Ukrainian territory it has taken over, Dmitry Medvedev, a close ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, has warned.
Posted by: Joe Biden at February 18, 2024 08:57 PM (qpLSv)

(Yawn)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 18, 2024 08:58 PM (8sMut)

214 Agreed. Seeing the Perryville battlefield, I was shocked at how close the two sides were at points of contact. Literally just down a smallish hill. Less than 50 feet I'd say. Imagine everyone blazing away and cannon firing at 50 feet....
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo at February 18, 2024 08:30 PM (xcxpd)

There's video out there showing Civil War reenactors firing a live canister/grapeshot load out of a 12 pounder Napoleon cannon at plywood soldier cutouts about 25-50 yards away. Saying that canister/grapeshot turns a cannon into a giant shotgun is not an exaggeration. The impact of that round on tightly packed ranks of infantry is literally devastating.

Posted by: Ed L at February 18, 2024 08:59 PM (yRXSd)

215 Whig, I put a Green Mountain barrel on my Ruger Precision Rimfire - it would just not extract. And Ruger does not make a beafier extractor.
I put polishing compound on a wool tip and spun it up with an electric drill. It took a bit of time, but I got it smooth. Still won’t take high power rounds,
but extracts everything else.
I know the owner of GM and he said it could be just a burr in the machining. The chamber is made for high tolerance competition.
Whatevs, it works now.

Posted by: RI Red at February 18, 2024 09:00 PM (cGD0I)

216 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 18, 2024 08:50 PM (t/2Uw)

Cleaning it shouldn't be that difficult, as long as you can get the slide off and the bushing out easily. But cleaning mine made a difference ... for one range outing, evidently.

And that Kimber is probably a sight better built than my Citadel.

Posted by: GWB at February 18, 2024 09:00 PM (32nmx)

217 211 When we were filming the movie Gettysburg...

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 18, 2024 08:58 PM
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Ummm... Say more words. Please.

Posted by: TRex at February 18, 2024 09:00 PM (ol7iy)

218 173 ... "Any reloaders in the house? My FIL gave me his old RCBS single stage press and "all the fixin's" - all I really need are dies. "

A few suggestions which I'm sure others here will make. Start with a general reloading book like "The ABC's of Reloading. In my opinion, the single stage press is the best way to learn since each operation is distinct. Prices for dies are all over the place. FWIW, I've used Lee Precision dies for decades: less expensive but excellent quality. Use loading data from good manuals, like the one for the bullets you will load, or from the powder company sites. (You can find all sorts of loading info on various sites but stick with the official sites. There is a reason Weasel doesn't allow powder charges to be listed in the comments.) Also, check out YT videos to see the actual process.

If possible, it is easier to learn reloading with straight wall revolver cartridges like 38 special. Bottle neck cases like .223 are a bit more complicated, especially if trying for serious, consistent accuracy. Above all, take your time both in learning and doing.

Posted by: JTB at February 18, 2024 09:01 PM (zudum)

219 Going to say Good night.
Have a good week all.
Thanks Weasel, as always, wonderful to have this place. People actually use it to talk about guns and stuff.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 18, 2024 09:02 PM (t/2Uw)

220 Sigh. I suppose I will have to figure it out.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)
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Sharon, I don't know how different your Kimber is than my Rock Island, but I have cleaned mine successfully using some videos recommended here. I won't say "it's easy" (honestly I hate it when people tell me that, because it's NOT easy for me, at least not the first time, or the second... maybe by the 100th time it will be, lol). But considering everything you have already learned, I have absolute confidence in you.

If you can get blaster or Ed or SD to look over your shoulder the first time, do that. Following the videos is awkward because I have to pause and rewind about a hundred times, even if I slow down the playback. And the video can't correct what I'm doing wrong.

Posted by: screaming in digital at February 18, 2024 09:04 PM (1eY81)

221 Posted by: Naples Yellow at February 18, 2024 08:55 PM (w6AZl)

The land itself has changed greatly since Thermopylae was fought. Sediment buildup over centuries has greatly widened the formerly narrow roadway the Spartans defended.

Posted by: Ed L at February 18, 2024 09:05 PM (yRXSd)

222 Have young family members visiting in June, gave them a list of places to visit around VA/DC. Hoping and praying they select Gettysburg....and if they don't, might have to call an audible.

Posted by: Grateful at February 18, 2024 09:05 PM (ol7iy)

223 People have mentioned the Devil's Den at Gettysburg. If there is a haunted place on Earth, it is there. Even in mid-summer it was cooler and I swear there were echoes of gunfire and screams. And I'm not the most sensitive kind of person.

Definitely worth the visit.

Posted by: JTB at February 18, 2024 09:05 PM (zudum)

224 Posted by: TRex at February 18, 2024 09:00 PM (ol7iy)

I was in quite a few scenes, actually. Was even the horse holder for James Bond (George Lazenby). He was terrified of horses, BTW.

Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 18, 2024 09:05 PM (PWe8a)

225 Sharon, best thing about cleaning is that you get a better understanding of the mechanics of your gun.
Don’t be afraid to just take it apart. You’ll feel better about your relationship to the gun.

Posted by: RI Red at February 18, 2024 09:07 PM (cGD0I)

226 Because the guys are iin VA and I'm in MD, it limits the ability to do that. There is a retired LEO across the hall from me and I am working up the nerve to see if he will help. I had trouble taking apart the Glock and it only has three pieces so naturally a bit nervous about the 1911. But what's the worse that can happen? I can put all the parts in a case and plead with Blaster or Ed to save me.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 18, 2024 09:07 PM (t/2Uw)

227 Posted by: screaming in digital at February 18, 2024 09:04 PM (1eY81)

Sharon's Kimber has a full length guide rod that protrudes under the barrel when the slide is locked to the rear. GI M1911s don't have that. The full length guide rod does improve accuracy by tightening up the slide's movement, but it also makes field stripping and reassembly to clean the firearm a real PITA. I have a Colt Commander in .45 with the same feature. It's such a PITA to put back together again that I'm thinking about putting in a factory guide rod and recoil spring plug. I'm not 100% convinced that gains in accuracy are worth the additional pain in taking the thing apart and putting it back together again.

Posted by: Ed L at February 18, 2024 09:10 PM (yRXSd)

228 Maybe I can bribe Blaster with a couple of rib eyes or filets?

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 18, 2024 09:12 PM (t/2Uw)

229 227
Thank you Ed. I was seriously considering a Kimber 1911, and am now considering the cleaning aspect before I proceed. It's a true gift to have experts on this site to help with these decisions.

Posted by: Grateful at February 18, 2024 09:13 PM (ol7iy)

230 Sharon, you can master the 1911. After you have done it a few (dozen) times, it will all make sense.
I bet I could talk you through it on a phone call.

Posted by: RI Red at February 18, 2024 09:13 PM (cGD0I)

231 Sigh. I suppose I will have to figure it out.

As mentioned, there are a zillion youtube how-to vids. An inexpensive barrel bushing wrench is nice and a dry cleaner's bag to contain the plug if you let get it get away is helpful.

Posted by: Oddbob at February 18, 2024 09:15 PM (sNc8Y)

232 Sharon's Kimber has a full length guide rod that protrudes under the barrel when the slide is locked to the rear. GI M1911s don't have that. The full length guide rod does improve accuracy by tightening up the slide's movement, but it also makes field stripping and reassembly to clean the firearm a real PITA. I have a Colt Commander in .45 with the same feature. It's such a PITA to put back together again that I'm thinking about putting in a factory guide rod and recoil spring plug. I'm not 100% convinced that gains in accuracy are worth the additional pain in taking the thing apart and putting it back together again.
Posted by: Ed L
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Oof. In that case, I think I'd have someone else clean it for me. I can be stubborn to do things myself, but not THAT stubborn. :-)

Posted by: screaming in digital at February 18, 2024 09:16 PM (1eY81)

233 Sharon's Kimber has a full length guide rod...

OK, that makes what I just said not applicable.

Posted by: Oddbob at February 18, 2024 09:17 PM (sNc8Y)

234 Posted by: Grateful at February 18, 2024 09:05 PM (ol7iy)

Gettysburg will always be very crowded in the summer months, especially as you near the anniversary of the battle. Don't forget that the Eisenhower's farm is right on the battlefield too, across the Emmitsburg Road from Devils Den and Little Round Top. Worth the time spent, in my opinion. If you don't want to deal with crowds, the Antietam Battlefield might be an interesting alternative. Gettysburg might be the bloodiest battlefield, but Antietam saw America's bloodiest day.

Posted by: Ed L at February 18, 2024 09:17 PM (yRXSd)

235 Oof. That's gonna get expensive in a hurry. And it's why I had previously switched to 124 grain. Guess I might have to go back to that. And maybe it's time to save up some pennies and move up a notch in guns.

Things were getting so bad, I only shot 30 rounds out of a 50rd box before I gave up and switched back to the .45 1911.
Posted by: GWB
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GWB,
After you clean it, I meant use some self defense type rounds to check for function. A box of twenty or so should do it and it can be an off brand like Prvi Partisan, Winchester Silvertip, Federal's cheap line hollow point line, Hi Shok, etc.

Most good 115gr range ammo should be in the 1200-1250 fps range which is on the box. Below that, can cause trouble. Had a Walther PPK once that would only function with hotter foreign 380 ACP.

Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 09:18 PM (9FrDg)

236 OK, folks, Weasel.
Time to wrap it up. But tomorrow is a sleep in day, with range time. Life is good.

Posted by: RI Red at February 18, 2024 09:18 PM (cGD0I)

237 Nondescript perhaps, but historical.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 18, 2024 08:58 PM (8sMut)

Yes of course

Posted by: Naples Yellow at February 18, 2024 09:18 PM (w6AZl)

238 Thanks SiD!
I love that gun. I'll figure something out. I will at least watch a few videos to see if I think I can do it. If it really looks beyond me, I will try and find local help. If that doesnd't work....well. I'll think of something.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 18, 2024 09:19 PM (t/2Uw)

239 An inexpensive barrel bushing wrench is nice
Posted by: Oddbob at February 18, 2024 09:15 PM (sNc8Y)

But not really helpful if you're using a bushingless compact (my Citadel). And how is it I keep losing the paper clips for that? I know I put the last one in the cleaning bag. Or was it the tool bag...?

Posted by: GWB at February 18, 2024 09:20 PM (32nmx)

240 Ed, have visited Antietam numerous times. Same with Gettysburg, but have never visited Eisenhower's farm. Thanks for the suggestion. The kids are coming from Washington State, so schools schedules dictate when they can visit. Thanks for reminder of crowds closer to the battle dates, will use the luxury of weekdays to hopefully offset some of that. It'll be a day trip, and they can sleep on the way home!

Posted by: Grateful at February 18, 2024 09:22 PM (ol7iy)

241 Food Thread has 277 comments. Let's push Weasel and the GT ahead of that. Do it for Weasel's Annual Evaluation!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 18, 2024 09:22 PM (a3Q+t)

242 Posted by: screaming in digital at February 18, 2024 09:16 PM (1eY81)

SiD, I think your Rock Island is a (mostly) faithful copy of a GI M1911A1. I don't think it has that extended guide rod that Sharon's Kimber has. Field stripping and reassembling a 1911 is not intuitive, as RMBS and anyone else who was issued a 1911 in military can attest. But it can be done with lots of practice.

Posted by: Ed L at February 18, 2024 09:23 PM (yRXSd)

243 Gettysburg might be the bloodiest battlefield, but Antietam saw America's bloodiest day.
Posted by: Ed L
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I've never been to Gettysburg, but I have stood in the sunken road at Antietam. That's one of two places I've been that left me with impressions I can't describe. The other is Red Square.

Posted by: screaming in digital at February 18, 2024 09:23 PM (1eY81)

244 215 Whig, I put a Green Mountain barrel on my Ruger Precision Rimfire - it would just not extract. And Ruger does not make a beafier extractor.
I put polishing compound on a wool tip and spun it up with an electric drill. It took a bit of time, but I got it smooth. Still won’t take high power rounds,
but extracts everything else.
I know the owner of GM and he said it could be just a burr in the machining. The chamber is made for high tolerance competition.
Whatevs, it works now.
Posted by: RI Red
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Lapping the chamber as you did can improve function. A few diy folks get a bit overenthusiastic with it and create new problems.

One of the expenses of the premium barrels is that you are paying someone else (an expert) to lap it properly. That is one reason cheaper barrels can be hit or miss.

Having the chambers polished is also recommended for someone that uses a revolver for self defense or competition. Makes extracting spent cartridges much easier particularly on something like a snubby that does not have a full length extraction rod.

Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 09:23 PM (9FrDg)

245 The land itself has changed greatly since Thermopylae was fought. Sediment buildup over centuries has greatly widened the formerly narrow roadway the Spartans defended.
Posted by: Ed L at February 18, 2024 09:05 PM (yRXSd)

Visited Thermopylae last spring. It isn't just sediment buildup, the Med has retreated (I know, unpossible) It's very hard to picture that the space between the mountain and sea was only 300 meters - now it is 2.5km.

Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2024 09:24 PM (IFNME)

246 Don't let the meatballs win!

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 18, 2024 09:24 PM (2yu8s)

247 SID, you've been to Red Square? just wow.

Posted by: Grateful at February 18, 2024 09:24 PM (ol7iy)

248
Why did the turtle cross the road?

To get to the Shell Station.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 18, 2024 09:24 PM (a3Q+t)

249 I think I said Good Night a while ago but really appreciate the advice and encouragment.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 18, 2024 09:24 PM (t/2Uw)

250 I don't think we properly applauded this week's mailbag entry from That SOB Van Owen. Very funny.

Posted by: TRex at February 18, 2024 09:25 PM (ol7iy)

251 SiD, I think your Rock Island is a (mostly) faithful copy of a GI M1911A1. I don't think it has that extended guide rod that Sharon's Kimber has. Field stripping and reassembling a 1911 is not intuitive, as RMBS and anyone else who was issued a 1911 in military can attest. But it can be done with lots of practice.
Posted by: Ed L
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You're right, mine doesn't have that guide rod. I've field stripped mine a few times. I am particularly mechanically inept, so I find it challenging, but I eventually got it done, with a fair amount of invective. The hardest part for me is getting the slide stop back on correctly.

Posted by: screaming in digital at February 18, 2024 09:26 PM (1eY81)

252 SID, you've been to Red Square? just wow.
Posted by: Grateful
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Twice. Not for collusion purposes.

Posted by: screaming in digital at February 18, 2024 09:27 PM (1eY81)

253 277?
Oh, heck, I’ll stay up.

Posted by: RI Red at February 18, 2024 09:27 PM (cGD0I)

254 should be in the 1200-1250 fps range which is on the box.
Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 09:18 PM (9FrDg)

Weirdly, neither the Republic nor CCi boxes have the FPS on the box. And, of course, I went with CCi because it is supposed to be consistent and such - or so I thought.

I will clean it again (the Citadel seems to run dirty). And then I will make (another) deliberate attempt to see the differences in ammo in my box. And I might have to just run one or two types of range ammo through it.

I can put a magazine's worth of defense ammo through it, too. It handled that just fine last time I did. (Which is what it's for, of course.)

Posted by: GWB at February 18, 2024 09:27 PM (32nmx)

255 248 Why did the turtle cross the road?

To get to the Shell Station.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 18, 2024 09:24 PM
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Gold. I intend to steal this shamelessly. Thank you.

Posted by: TRex at February 18, 2024 09:28 PM (ol7iy)

256 228 Maybe I can bribe Blaster with a couple of rib eyes or filets?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 18, 2024 09:12 PM (t/2Uw)

Maybe!

But the Kimber folks cleaned it pretty well when you sent it back for the firing pin thingy. So it's been cleaned more than once.

I am not sure what is going on with this pistol - it is not getting fully back into battery when swa shoots - it is about a 1/4 inch off and a light push with a thumb gets it fully seated. I have not heard that the 1911 is prone to limpwristing but I have not had this behavior when I shoot it. BUT - swa shoots it more than I do so maybe just lucky.

Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2024 09:29 PM (IFNME)

257 Food Thread has 277 comments. Let's push Weasel and the GT ahead of that. Do it for Weasel's Annual Evaluation!
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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*cracks knuckles*

Okay, I'm good for a few more inane comments!

Posted by: screaming in digital at February 18, 2024 09:29 PM (1eY81)

258 There are some shiny spots on the feed ramp and at the top edge where it transitions to the chamber.

I'm not sure about a carbon ring....
Posted by: GWB

A cheap borelight (led with a flexible shaft) can make diagnosing chamber and throat problems easier. A carbon/fouling ring can be seen right at the step where the cartridge headspaces and the bullet chamber is. Fouling can build up in that area especially with cheap range ammo as it is often dirty due to incomplete powder burn, is a ball type that has graphite all around it and dirty, and inconsistent in brass measurement which introduces different burning of the powder in cartridge to cartridge.

Usually looks solid black and the ring can be hard enough to require soaking the whole barrel in solvent (or using tougher carbon solvents).

Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 09:29 PM (9FrDg)

259 Visited Thermopylae last spring. It isn't just sediment buildup, the Med has retreated (I know, unpossible) It's very hard to picture that the space between the mountain and sea was only 300 meters - now it is 2.5km.
Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2024 09:24 PM (IFNME

That said , could you still feel the significance of the place . Feel the history?

Posted by: Naples Yellow at February 18, 2024 09:30 PM (w6AZl)

260 SiD, that Moskwa conversation would be worth a MoMe sit down.
Many Morons/Ettes have stories. I have one or two.

Posted by: RI Red at February 18, 2024 09:30 PM (cGD0I)

261 Why did the turtle cross the road?
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He slipped on some wax??

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 18, 2024 09:31 PM (2yu8s)

262 Posted by: Grateful at February 18, 2024 09:22 PM (ol7iy)

The Eisenhower Farm is mostly a time capsule of the 1960s to early 1970s, after Ike departed the White House to shortly before Mamie's death in 1979. While she was still alive, the farm was closed to the public. Today, you can tour the whole house, visit most of the other buildings on the estate, including the barns where Ike raised prize winning cattle.

Posted by: Ed L at February 18, 2024 09:31 PM (yRXSd)

263 And, again, thanks for the Gun Thread, Weasel.
And thanks for all the camaraderie and good knowledge from the peeps here.

Posted by: GWB at February 18, 2024 09:32 PM (32nmx)

264 Gettysburg will always be very crowded in the summer months, especially as you near the anniversary of the battle. Don't forget that the Eisenhower's farm is right on the battlefield too, across the Emmitsburg Road from Devils Den and Little Round Top. Worth the time spent, in my opinion. If you don't want to deal with crowds, the Antietam Battlefield might be an interesting alternative. Gettysburg might be the bloodiest battlefield, but Antietam saw America's bloodiest day.
Posted by: Ed L at February 18, 2024 09:17 PM (yRXSd)

Summertime is the best time to visit because of course the battle was July 1-3. With 4th of July weekend that makes for a crowd. Standing in the treeline looking across that field to the Angle and the Copse of Trees when its a hundred degrees out. As I said - wow.

Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2024 09:33 PM (IFNME)

265 Standing in the treeline looking across that field to the Angle and the Copse of Trees when its a hundred degrees out.
Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2024 09:33 PM (IFNME)

Wear wool and you'll understand even better.

Posted by: GWB at February 18, 2024 09:35 PM (32nmx)

266 SiD, that Moskwa conversation would be worth a MoMe sit down.
Many Morons/Ettes have stories. I have one or two.
Posted by: RI Red
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My stories aren't really that great, but those 2 trips are probably the most interesting things I've ever done. I also got to visit some other, less well known cities in Rooshia. I've eaten shashlik in a birch grove on a collective farm. And I have a picture of me next to a Moscow circus bear. So there's that.

My dream is to ride the Trans-Siberian from Moscow to Vladivostok. Unlikely on a librarian's salary.

Posted by: screaming in digital at February 18, 2024 09:35 PM (1eY81)

267 Glocks are getting hip. You can now purchase factory G19s with OD Green and Black Cherry slides!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 18, 2024 09:36 PM (a3Q+t)

268 That said , could you still feel the significance of the place . Feel the history?
Posted by: Naples Yellow at February 18, 2024 09:30 PM (w6AZl)

It's interesting - if you didn't know, you really wouldn't know. Greece has a lot of its GDP in tourism and they are VERY proud of their history. The monument at Thermopylae is very understated. And its kind of off the beaten path.

But if you do know - its a wow moment too.

Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2024 09:36 PM (IFNME)

269 As a kid, I found The Thin Red Line to be an eye opener.

Posted by: RI Red at February 18, 2024 09:36 PM (cGD0I)

270 GWB,
CCI Brass Blazer in 115gr is 1145 fps which is a bit soft shooting for some guns. Federal Eagle is about 1180 fps (Hi Shok in Federal with 115 gr old style hollow points is 29.99 or so per 50 btw online).

Winchester Target and Practice is about 1190 fps in 115gr.

Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 09:37 PM (9FrDg)

271 Getting close.

Posted by: GWB at February 18, 2024 09:37 PM (32nmx)

272 Just a few more posts and the gunthread kicks CBD's meatballs in the ass!

Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2024 09:38 PM (IFNME)

273 Belated thx Weasel and commenters for the thread.

Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 09:38 PM (9FrDg)

274 I am not sure what is going on with this pistol - it is not getting fully back into battery when swa shoots - it is about a 1/4 inch off and a light push with a thumb gets it fully seated.

Same thing happens with different ammo? If you unload it and ease the slide down sloooowly, can you make it hang up at the same place or feel a hitch before it closes? If you remove the barrel and drop in a loaded round, does it plunk in easily?

Posted by: Oddbob at February 18, 2024 09:38 PM (sNc8Y)

275 CCI Brass Blazer in 115gr is 1145 fps
Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 09:37 PM (9FrDg)

Does the 124gr run with a bit more oomph? It's loaded a tiny bit hotter, right?

Posted by: GWB at February 18, 2024 09:39 PM (32nmx)

276 whig, what state do you live in?

Posted by: RI Red at February 18, 2024 09:39 PM (cGD0I)

277 Posted by: screaming in digital at February 18, 2024 09:26 PM (1eY81)

Getting the slide stop back in is the hardest part. MILSPEC M1911s were designed to have some slop/looseness by design to make it easier for the soldier to get that slide stop pin through the hole of the barrel link. But the "accuracy improvements" made by many commercial manufacturers and gunsmiths removed that looseness in search of greater accuracy. The price of that is that there's no room for error when it comes to reinserting that slide stop pin through that barrel link. If that barrel link or the full length guide rod it's next to moves out of position by just a hair, you have to take it all apart and start reassembling the pistol all over again.

Posted by: Ed L at February 18, 2024 09:40 PM (yRXSd)

278 One 'dirty' secret about 9mm ammo is the 'published' velocities on the box are out of a 4" barrel. As barrel length decreases, you'll see velocity loss, particularly out of the micros, such as the P365's 3.1" barrel.

Sig and Speer are two that I'm aware of that make 'short barrel' ammo. Finding some can be a quest, however.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 18, 2024 09:40 PM (a3Q+t)

279 Leonidas monument (link goes to Tripadvisor)

http://alturl.com/bb57a

Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2024 09:40 PM (IFNME)

280 260,

RI Red, I couldn't agree more. I love hearing stories of places I haven't visited. And comparing stories of where I've actually been.

Posted by: Grateful at February 18, 2024 09:41 PM (ol7iy)

281 267 Glocks are getting hip. You can now purchase factory G19s with OD Green and Black Cherry slides!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 18, 2024 09:36 PM (a3Q+t)

I want the B&T modified "Hush Puppy" Glock 19. Integral Aimpoint Accro cowitnessed to the iron sights. Threaded barrel with a small wipe suppressor. Slide locking switch that allows you to lock the slide in place when firing to achieve maximum quiet when using the suppressor.

Posted by: Ed L at February 18, 2024 09:44 PM (yRXSd)

282 Grateful, the amount of info and history the Horde has is amazing. An amazing cross section of the most successful country in the world.

Posted by: RI Red at February 18, 2024 09:45 PM (cGD0I)

283 Weasel/Ben Had,
it would be great if someone could do an ammo chat at Corsicana. I know most of you are proficient in this speak, and we are trying to keep up, but to be able to hear and ask questions would be invaluable, IMO.

Posted by: Grateful at February 18, 2024 09:45 PM (ol7iy)

284 Thank you Weasel for hosting this thread!

Posted by: Ed L at February 18, 2024 09:45 PM (yRXSd)

285 Leonidas monument (link goes to Tripadvisor)

http://alturl.com/bb57a
Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2024 09:40 PM (IFNME

Thanks for that.

Posted by: Naples Yellow at February 18, 2024 09:45 PM (w6AZl)

286 This tip is for those new to firearms.

Don't buy a target firearm for self defense. Reliability is more important than accuracy and to do that, specs have to be relaxed on the chamber, throat and barrel so that it will feed reliably with a wide range of ammunition.

Target weapons are also generally more expensive and the sad fact is most people cannot shoot up to its inherent accuracy without a lot of training.

In general, what you want is a reliable brand name firearm that has been around (stay away from "new models" as you are the Quality Assurance/beta tester person) and mechanical problems with a firearm makes learning to shoot a misery.

For some, if you prefer the least amount of training to actually function with the firearm, a revolver is a good choice as it requires little maintenance, will shoot all sorts of ammo that fit the chamber, and you do not have to learn a complicated method of operation aka manual at arms--to load, unload, and operate.

Semi automatic pistols require more a bit more investment in learning to operate the control surfaces, (safety, slidelock, magazine eject) than do revolvers but you get greater ammo capacity, lighter weight, etc.

Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 09:47 PM (9FrDg)

287 282,

RI Red - you aren't kidding. I've learned all kinds of things from this site. Keeps me coming back on a daily basis!

Posted by: Grateful at February 18, 2024 09:47 PM (ol7iy)

288 Some of the places I wanted to see, I’ll never go to because of their stupid laws. Is what it is, but hey I live in Texas and Texas is a big place.

Posted by: Eromero at February 18, 2024 09:48 PM (NxC5+)

289 RI Red, I couldn't agree more. I love hearing stories of places I haven't visited. And comparing stories of where I've actually been.
Posted by: Grateful
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Me too. Aside from Russia, I've never been outside the US. Hordelings are well traveled and observant. I had a fantastic convo last year in TX with a couple of 'rons who've been all sorts of interesting places.

The downside is I keep adding places to my list that I'll never be able to get to...

Posted by: screaming in digital at February 18, 2024 09:48 PM (1eY81)

290 it would be great if someone could do an ammo chat at Corsicana. I know most of you are proficient in this speak, and we are trying to keep up, but to be able to hear and ask questions would be invaluable, IMO.
Posted by: Grateful

What do you want to know about ammunition? How to reload? Ammo choice? Self defense ammo? Many of these things can be asked here with no problems. I or any of the other folks here will be glad to address it.

Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 09:48 PM (9FrDg)

291 Hear, hear, whig. And a good night to all.

Posted by: RI Red at February 18, 2024 09:48 PM (cGD0I)

292 Thanks all, on the reloading tips - putting 10th edition of ABCs of reloading on the wish list.

With the chatter on Gettysburg - I'm about 45 min away from there and the town proper is always worth a visit. Took my parents (last time they were visiting from AZ) to the site of Pickett's Charge, then went to the town - tried some flights of cider at Ploughman Cider Taproom - VERY good cider - can't recommend the spot enough. Next visit, I'd love to hit the Gettysburg Museum of History for the Maj. Dick Winters collection.

Posted by: MD_Mike at February 18, 2024 09:48 PM (BouEL)

293 Unfortunately I share a state with Fani and Stacy Abrams. Sigh.

Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 09:49 PM (9FrDg)

294 In the space of a few hours, we've gone from Bighorn to Gettysburg to Greece to Moscow. Trying new hardware and problems with old equipment. Ammo varieties, an Alaska cruise, and a turtle joke. Meatballs and lasagna for all! Thanks horde.

Posted by: TRex at February 18, 2024 09:49 PM (ol7iy)

295 Thank you whig for your advice.

Posted by: Grateful at February 18, 2024 09:50 PM (ol7iy)

296 Posted by: TRex at February 18, 2024 09:49 PM (ol7iy)

Personally, I think that rates a Comment Of The Week for so perfectly encapsulating AoS, especially the Gun Thread!

Posted by: GWB at February 18, 2024 09:51 PM (32nmx)

297 Unfortunately I share a state with Fani and Stacy Abrams. Sigh.
Posted by: whig
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We're neighbors!

I have Mx. Lindsey and Nikki...

Posted by: screaming in digital at February 18, 2024 09:51 PM (1eY81)

298 Heck, may as well round it up to 300 at this point.

Posted by: GWB at February 18, 2024 09:52 PM (32nmx)

299 Just a couple more?

Posted by: GWB at February 18, 2024 09:53 PM (32nmx)

300 No retreat, no surrender; that is Spartan law. And by Spartan law we will stand and fight... and die. A new age has begun. An age of freedom, and all will know, that 300 Spartans gave their last breath to defend it!

Posted by: Spartans at February 18, 2024 09:53 PM (ol7iy)

301 OK Whig, I'm gonna compile questions for next week...

Posted by: Grateful at February 18, 2024 09:53 PM (ol7iy)

302 Does the 124gr run with a bit more oomph? It's loaded a tiny bit hotter, right?
Posted by: GWB
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NATO spec'ed 124 gr ammo is above what the domestic 115 gr is loaded in pressure. At the high end of the 9mm scale. Works better with Euro makes and in service size or larger pistols but can be a bit unpleasant in compact or microcompact.

124 gr range ammo often runs about the same speed as 115 gr range ammo but with a heavier bullet it usually generates a bit higher pressure in the chamber when burning. That can make it cleaner and the slide momentum generated often works a bit better with some firearms than does the 115gr,

Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 09:55 PM (9FrDg)

303 Done hanging my one sheet of sheetrock on the kitchen ceiling. Dropped the first one and busted it. Done for the day.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 18, 2024 09:56 PM (tkR6S)

304 301 OK Whig, I'm gonna compile questions for next week...
Posted by: Grateful
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Be glad to answer any questions. FWIW, I reload, used to shoot quite a bit, and then used to be a long time commenter on a fairly popular firearms website.

If I don't know the answer, I will tell you so.

Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 09:57 PM (9FrDg)

305 Done hanging my one sheet of sheetrock on the kitchen ceiling. Dropped the first one and busted it. Done for the day.

Ever notice on professional sheetrocking crews, the guy who does the ceilings is usually like five-feet-nothing and has arms like Popeye?

Posted by: Oddbob at February 18, 2024 09:58 PM (sNc8Y)

306 124 gr range ammo often runs about the same speed as 115 gr range ammo but with a heavier bullet it usually generates a bit higher pressure in the chamber when burning. That can make it cleaner and the slide momentum generated often works a bit better with some firearms than does the 115gr,
Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 09:55 PM (9FrDg)

I had the Walther P38 out to the desert last Sunday. It just plain works with whatever you feed it. And I find the sights well-suited to my eyes.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 18, 2024 09:58 PM (tkR6S)

307 Grateful,

Whig is absolutely correct. If you aren't going to, or aren't able to, train or practice with your firearm very much, a revolver is far easier to learn how to use. Just drop the rounds in the chambers, close the cylinder, and squeeze the trigger. Semi-auto pistols require more learning from you (how to load the magazine, how to chamber a round, how to disassemble/assemble, etc.). But semi-auto pistols are (I think) easier to master than a revolver. Next time you come to the range w/ us, I'll bring a revolver and I'll show you what I mean.

Posted by: Ed L at February 18, 2024 09:59 PM (yRXSd)

308 We're neighbors!

I have Mx. Lindsey and Nikki...
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Used to go to the Palmetto State rather frequently but disabilities have made my travel much less frequent and directed toward elderly parents and medical treatment.

Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 09:59 PM (9FrDg)

309 Whig,
that's more than fair. Just remember I am a newbie. Lot's of info, some I understand, some not so much. But I aspire to be able to understand the language many of you use. Thanks for offering to help.

Posted by: Grateful at February 18, 2024 10:00 PM (ol7iy)

310 Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 09:55 PM (9FrDg)

Thanks, whig. That's what I was thinking.

I'll just keep improving and figuring out ammo. In the meantime I know the defense ammo works through that gun and through my .45. So I can be confident about putting the first few shots effectively.

Posted by: GWB at February 18, 2024 10:00 PM (32nmx)

311 Ever notice on professional sheetrocking crews, the guy who does the ceilings is usually like five-feet-nothing and has arms like Popeye?
Posted by: Oddbob at February 18, 2024 09:58 PM (sNc8Y)

Heh. This was quarter-inch stuff. Easy enough to lift up a short sheet (76"), but while I had it propped up, it slipped off my prop, rotated, and dropped. Grrr. And, damn, it's too damned easy to drive the screws right through it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 18, 2024 10:01 PM (tkR6S)

312 Nood

Posted by: GWB at February 18, 2024 10:01 PM (32nmx)

313 I had the Walther P38 out to the desert last Sunday. It just plain works with whatever you feed it. And I find the sights well-suited to my eyes.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Military type pistols are often some of the most reliable in operation. Some will have trouble though with hollow point ammo depending on the bullet ogive and the feeding ramp and throat of the barrel.

AOP, I think CDNN Sports in Abilene did have some P38 parts including even slides available that they bought surplus for relatively peanuts. Might be able to get some springs etc. for parts cheap there.

Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 10:01 PM (9FrDg)

314 309 Whig,
that's more than fair. Just remember I am a newbie. Lot's of info, some I understand, some not so much. But I aspire to be able to understand the language many of you use. Thanks for offering to help.
Posted by: Grateful

We all learned that from others ourselves. So no problem asking me, Weasel, or any of the others many of these questions. No person has universal knowledge of all firearms and ammunition but together we do collectively.

Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 10:03 PM (9FrDg)

315 Thanks for a great thread, y'all. I love spending Sunday evenings with you reprobates.

Hugs all around and g'night!

Posted by: screaming in digital at February 18, 2024 10:03 PM (1eY81)

316 295 Thank you whig for your advice.
Posted by: Grateful

You are welcome btw. Missed the comment frist time scrolling up.

Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 10:04 PM (9FrDg)

317 AOP, I think CDNN Sports in Abilene did have some P38 parts including even slides available that they bought surplus for relatively peanuts. Might be able to get some springs etc. for parts cheap there.
Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 10:01 PM (9FrDg)

Well, I don't think this one needs any parts at the moment. I did buy a couple of extra magazines, and they all work. If there is a certain set of springs or other small parts that I should keep on hand, I'd be interested in knowing that.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 18, 2024 10:04 PM (tkR6S)

318 Recoil springs mainly. Wolff springs are sold at most gunparts emporiums online but they offer a lot of complete gun spring kits for specific firearms.

Gunsprings dot com is their website.

Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 10:08 PM (9FrDg)

319 Bear Creek AR-10 receivers are low profile, like PSA. They'll fit just fine.
Posted by: ck at February 18, 2024 08:25 PM (ljHmZ)

There is also specification creep as unlike the original AR-15-M-16 where the specs are well understood, people making the AR-10's are less consistent between uppers and lowers even within the DMPS stds.

Buy your upper and lower from the same source to avoid troubles in AR10 land. Not necessary really in AR-15 land.
Posted by: whig at February 18, 2024 08:30 PM (9FrDg)

I have a PSA AR10 lower and a BCA side charging upper and they won't mate. I would need to file on either the upper or the lower to get a complete closure.

I cannot say about a rear charging upper. That might be different.

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321 Annoyingly, BCA will not sell me a stripped lower for the upper, only a complete lower.

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