Shellenberger: Sources Say That the FBI Raided Mar-a-Lago to Get Their Filthy Hands on the File About the CIA's Treasonous Decision to Spy on the Duly Elected President

Last December 15th, as Americans decorated trees, lit Menorahs, and prepared to tune out for winter holidays, CNN ran an extraordinary article titled, "The mystery of the missing binder: How a collection of raw Russian intelligence disappeared under Trump."
Co-authored by Natasha Bertrand, the gargantuan expose claimed a mysterious "binder" of "highly classified information related to Russian election interference" went "missing" in the chaotic waning days of Donald Trump's presidency in January 2021, raising concerns that some of America's most "closely guarded national security secrets... could be exposed."
CNN and its intelligence sources meant "exposure" in a bad way. Sources have told Public and Racket, however, that the secrets officials worry might be "exposed" are ones that would implicate them in widespread abuses of intelligence authority dating back to the 2015-2016 election season.
"I would call [the binder] Trump's insurance policy," said someone knowledgeable about the case. "He was very concerned about having it and taking it with him because it was the road map" of Russiagate.
Transgressions range from Justice Department surveillance of domestic political targets without probable cause to the improper unmasking of a pre-election conversation between a Trump official and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman to WMD-style manipulation of intelligence for public reports on alleged Russian "influence activities."
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Corruption, not tradecraft, is what officials are desperate to keep secret.
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As Public and Racket reported yesterday, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) had foreign intelligence agencies run an illegal spy operation against then-candidate Trump's presidential campaign in 2016. This illegally acquired intelligence was used to justify the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) official probe, "Crossfire Hurricane," which in turn spurred the investigation of Special Counsel Robert Mueller.
The documents in question are said to contain information about the legal justification for those investigations, or more specifically, the lack of justification, among other things. Should more of that information be made public, it might implicate a long list of officials in serious abuses.
Questions like these may be answered if the 10-inch thick binder of sensitive documents about the origins of the Russia probe is made public.
Fear for reputations and careers, not national security, is what has intelligence officials panicked.
Multiple sources believe that Trump's possession of the binder, or one of multiple binders, led the FBI to raid his home in Mar-a-Lago, which led to the prosecution of Trump by Justice Department special prosecutor Jack Smith.
A source close to the House Intelligence investigation said, "We think a lot of that product in Mar-a-Lago is" what investigators "went through." The FBI was "worried that there was a copy [of the binder] there," said the person.
A source close to Trump said, "I think [retrieving the binder] was part of [FBI's] motivation. It was Russiagate. It was years of FISA [surveillance warrant] abuse. It was doing a 702 [FISA] query to surveil 300,000 Americans. It was using taxpayer dollars to fund the Steele memo and get Justice Department lawyers when we fired Christopher Steele. It was the mountain of corruption we uncovered."

Other sources pour cold water on that, and point out that if the dossier contained revelations, Trump would have told us all already. He's not known for restraint or discretion.

Maybe there's a middle possibility: The file isn't the one the CIA wanted to keep secret, but they thought it was, so they trumped up a national security crisis and sent their stateside agents in the FBI to steal it back for them.

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1 nooded first?

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 15, 2024 06:31 PM (2yu8s)

2 Nefarious deeds uncovered. No news at 11.

Posted by: huerfano at February 15, 2024 06:31 PM (Q4KYm)

3 Done!

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 15, 2024 06:31 PM (2yu8s)

4 Top post for Top Men?

Posted by: mikeski at February 15, 2024 06:32 PM (DgGvY)

5 Did they get what they wanted?

It doesn't look like it.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at February 15, 2024 06:32 PM (llON8)

6 Our Top Men don't even deserve 4th place, really. Maybe 400th.

Posted by: mikeski at February 15, 2024 06:32 PM (DgGvY)

7 assessment that Russian President Vladimir Putin sought to help Trump win the 2016 election.
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Well, Vlad's changed his mind about that now -- endorses China Joe.

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 15, 2024 06:33 PM (2yu8s)

8 I'm curious who is on a list of 300k, a little less than 0.1% of the population.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at February 15, 2024 06:33 PM (llON8)

9 You know I keep waiting for someone, anyone, to leak all the information without redactions. But no one has. Puzzling.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at February 15, 2024 06:33 PM (xcxpd)

10 Hasn't this always been the main assumption?

Other than getting ahold of those panties.

Posted by: davidt at February 15, 2024 06:33 PM (SYTee)

11 Not to worry about that binder.
It will reappear one day, just like the Rose Law firm records.

Posted by: SMOD at February 15, 2024 06:34 PM (tyM+O)

12 I'm also not a fan of anonymous sources. Name names or stop wasting my fucking time.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at February 15, 2024 06:34 PM (xcxpd)

13 You know I keep waiting for someone, anyone, to leak all the information without redactions. But no one has. Puzzling.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Seen any glitches in the Matrix? Maybe it's been leaked and "fixed" several times already.

Posted by: "fixed" several times already. at February 15, 2024 06:35 PM (DgGvY)

14 Yikes.

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 15, 2024 06:35 PM (lyImQ)

15 9 You know I keep waiting for someone, anyone, to leak all the information without redactions. But no one has. Puzzling.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Information has universal value.

Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 06:35 PM (9FrDg)

16 Paging JackStraw. Do you remember PDT say something to the effect that " he knew it all" ?

Posted by: Ben Had at February 15, 2024 06:35 PM (Askgf)

17 assessment that Russian President Vladimir Putin sought to help Trump win the 2016 election.
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Well, Vlad's changed his mind about that now -- endorses China Joe.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 15, 2024 06:33 PM (2yu8s)

Pootin has dementia. Obviously.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 15, 2024 06:35 PM (GtZ7X)

18 They were only trying to save democracy!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at February 15, 2024 06:35 PM (FVME7)

19 and so it begins

Posted by: that guy that always thinks it's beginning at February 15, 2024 06:35 PM (vtm+6)

20 "... If you talk to the lawyers involved, they never said they were looking for Russia collusion documents."
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Well, okay then, if gov't lawyers deny it, then it's settled.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at February 15, 2024 06:36 PM (XeU6L)

21 >>> 17 assessment that Russian President Vladimir Putin sought to help Trump win the 2016 election.
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Well, Vlad's changed his mind about that now -- endorses China Joe.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 15, 2024 06:33 PM (2yu8s)

Pootin has dementia. Obviously.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 15, 2024 06:35 PM (GtZ7X)

Nyet. Is just stutter.

Posted by: Vlad P. at February 15, 2024 06:36 PM (llON8)

22 15 9 You know I keep waiting for someone, anyone, to leak all the information without redactions. But no one has. Puzzling.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Information has universal value.
Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 06:35 PM (9FrDg)

Only if it's used. If it's never used, it has no value. At best it will be footnote 75 years from now, assuming anyone is around or anyone cares 75 years from now.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at February 15, 2024 06:36 PM (xcxpd)

23 Did the FBI take everything? I believe so which makes hand waving away the charge with "but search warrant" a stupid lie.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at February 15, 2024 06:36 PM (tT6L1)

24 “Now, I don't know about you. But I don't know anyone in the world whose grandchildren have ever deposited money into a savings account for their elderly grandfather,” Comer said. “But now, maybe I'm wrong. But that's something we're certainly looking into.”

Posted by: SMOD at February 15, 2024 06:36 PM (tyM+O)

25 Natasha Bertrand?? Now, why does this name ring a bell??

Posted by: runner at February 15, 2024 06:37 PM (V13WU)

26 Abolish The FBI.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 15, 2024 06:37 PM (R/m4+)

27 13 You know I keep waiting for someone, anyone, to leak all the information without redactions. But no one has. Puzzling.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

Seen any glitches in the Matrix? Maybe it's been leaked and "fixed" several times already.
Posted by: "fixed" several times already. at February 15, 2024 06:35 PM (DgGvY)

Let me go check the cat.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at February 15, 2024 06:37 PM (xcxpd)

28 12 I'm also not a fan of anonymous sources. Name names or stop wasting my fucking time.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Would you want to be revealed to the IC and Biden junta if you were a whistleblower?

Arkancide as a consequence would probably be kinder from Killary than from the IC as they will take out your whole family if they have to.

Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 06:37 PM (9FrDg)

29 26 Abolish The FBI.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 15, 2024 06:37 PM (R/m4+)

Moved and seconded

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at February 15, 2024 06:37 PM (xcxpd)

30 >>> 26 Abolish The FBI.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 15, 2024 06:37 PM (R/m4+)

Burn it down
Scatter the stones
Salt the Earth where it stood.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at February 15, 2024 06:37 PM (llON8)

31 It started as a bureaucratic tussle. Look at search warrant returns. That's what they were looking for. There was nothing in there that does that.
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You know, like Joe's and Hunter's checks don't read "Chinese bribe money" on the memo-line so it can't be; the list didn't read "ten-inches of kompromat against the U.S. IC, staging a coup d'état" so it must just have been about the minor non-criminal offence of not returning documents.

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 15, 2024 06:38 PM (2yu8s)

32 So, did they get the binder?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 15, 2024 06:38 PM (di6C2)

33 Only if it's used. If it's never used, it has no value. At best it will be footnote 75 years from now, assuming anyone is around or anyone cares 75 years from now.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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If Trump has it, better to wait until trial or victory in 2024 before releasing it. If the Dems have it, it will never be released.

Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 06:38 PM (9FrDg)

34 And did Trump make copies?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 15, 2024 06:38 PM (di6C2)

35 Looking forward to the new FBI headquarters in Prudhoe Bay.

Coming 2025!

Posted by: Joe Mama at February 15, 2024 06:38 PM (lZVy/)

36 I'm guessing Trump still has it which is why they're still trying so desperately to put him in jail.

Posted by: IrishEi at February 15, 2024 06:39 PM (eSZkd)

37 >>> 35 Looking forward to the new FBI headquarters in ~~Prudhoe Bay~~ Mariana Trench.

Coming 2025!
Posted by: Joe Mama at February 15, 2024 06:38 PM (lZVy/)

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at February 15, 2024 06:40 PM (llON8)

38 So, did they get the binder?
Posted by: Aetius451AD

I never let them get mine.

Posted by: Mittens at February 15, 2024 06:40 PM (ftFVW)

39 Also something of note, all of the agents tasked to raid Trumps home were also assigned to the Crossfire Hurricane Investigation.

We are going to need an office of Wood Chipper Dispensations in the new Trump Administration.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 15, 2024 06:40 PM (XV/Pl)

40 28 12 I'm also not a fan of anonymous sources. Name names or stop wasting my fucking time.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Would you want to be revealed to the IC and Biden junta if you were a whistleblower?

Arkancide as a consequence would probably be kinder from Killary than from the IC as they will take out your whole family if they have to.
Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 06:37 PM (9FrDg)

Without names, this is all just gossip, not truth. It sounds nice, we want to believe it but this might as well be signed 'Q' and 'Trust the Plan'. Confirmable fact matters.

And if Arkanside was really a concern of mine, I'd be sure that if I did take a dirt nap, one of my friends would burn down some houses of theirs. Dirty war goes both ways.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at February 15, 2024 06:40 PM (xcxpd)

41 Natasha Bertrand?? Now, why does this name ring a bell??
Posted by: runner at February 15, 2024 06:37 PM (V13WU)
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I'm sure you know, but she's the CIA's go-to gal for spreading disinfo.

Posted by: IrishEi at February 15, 2024 06:40 PM (eSZkd)

42 Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap.

AC-DOJ

Posted by: Bosk of Port Kar at February 15, 2024 06:41 PM (VMFAF)

43 I hope Trump has that binder hidden somewhere good. On Inauguration Day he can have all those assholes arrested and release the binder to reputable media sources like Tucker, Gorka, Bongino, etc. they already know the story.

Posted by: Jaimo at February 15, 2024 06:41 PM (sOA7y)

44 I'm guessing Trump still has it which is why they're still trying so desperately to put him in jail.

Not entirely sure I agree with the logic there. Once they jail him, what would he have to lose for releasing the docs?

Posted by: Oddbob at February 15, 2024 06:42 PM (sNc8Y)

45 33 Only if it's used. If it's never used, it has no value. At best it will be footnote 75 years from now, assuming anyone is around or anyone cares 75 years from now.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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If Trump has it, better to wait until trial or victory in 2024 before releasing it. If the Dems have it, it will never be released.
Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 06:38 PM (9FrDg)

If he had it, why wouldn't he use in the face of the coup in 2021? I dunno. I'm just wary about 'just you wait, Trump has the real info' reports after the FUD of 2020.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at February 15, 2024 06:42 PM (xcxpd)

46 Dailymail: Put the beer down, Travis - it's not IF Taylor dumps you... but WHEN: After the coach bashing, drunken disorder and tone-deaf post-shooting selfies, MAUREEN CALLAHAN says image-obsessed Swift will now shake off brand Kelce

Posted by: SMOD at February 15, 2024 06:42 PM (tyM+O)

47 @36

>>I'm guessing Trump still has it which is why they're still trying so desperately to put him in jail.

It's also a misnomer to say Trump has documents, what he has are copies of documents.

All documents created by the federal government are electronic documents and are stored electronically.

They simply cannot allow him to have a copy of incriminating evidence.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 15, 2024 06:43 PM (XV/Pl)

48 If this is true ? That Trump thought he had his hands on a folder that was his "Get Out of Jail Free Card" ?

Would not surprise me in the slightest. My God, that is completely believable.

Posted by: Watching It All Burn at February 15, 2024 06:43 PM (pGVsw)

49 >MAUREEN CALLAHAN says image-obsessed Swift will now shake off brand Kelce

Posted by: SMOD
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That's a shame. I was rooting for those two kids.

Posted by: Don Black at February 15, 2024 06:44 PM (geLO8)

50 Fani says Wade says the only thing a woman can do for him is make him a sandwich.

Wades a moron?

Posted by: blaster at February 15, 2024 06:44 PM (IFNME)

51 "Dailymail: Put the beer down, Travis - it's not IF Taylor dumps you... but WHEN: After the coach bashing, drunken disorder and tone-deaf post-shooting selfies, MAUREEN CALLAHAN says image-obsessed Swift will now shake off brand Kelce."

Taylor and I are already in touch.

Posted by: Tommy Flanagan at February 15, 2024 06:44 PM (SYTee)

52 Carry over from last thread.

RNC Research
@RNCResearch
BIDEN: "Wanna get a picture?"
JILL, ED.D.: "No — we did."
*shuffles back inside*

http://tinyurl.com/4zutm4h6

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Video at the link.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at February 15, 2024 06:44 PM (FVME7)

53 Bertrand is the mouthpiece for Brennan and others in the intelligence committee. She is the one that puts out the deep state stories. Amusing that she is being paid by CNN as well as getting black money under the table from the CIA.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at February 15, 2024 06:44 PM (lTGtQ)

54 If he had it, why wouldn't he use in the face of the coup in 2021? I dunno. I'm just wary about 'just you wait, Trump has the real info' reports after the FUD of 2020.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo and keep your rifle by your side at February 15, 2024 06:42 PM (xcxpd)

This is also a valid point. Maybe he had it at one point and was hoping to use it as leverage, but 2020 is all the marbles. Play your hand or go the fuck home.

Enough metaphors?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 15, 2024 06:44 PM (di6C2)

55 Long suspected it was to get evidence on the Deep State crimes

Posted by: Skip at February 15, 2024 06:45 PM (fwDg9)

56 Government seems to attract the worst people. Either that, or makes them the worst.

Posted by: Don Black at February 15, 2024 06:45 PM (geLO8)

57 >>> Not entirely sure I agree with the logic there. Once they jail him, what would he have to lose for releasing the docs?
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Yeah, but the logic doesn't work either way. If Trump doesn't have it, why are they going after him?

Posted by: IrishEi at February 15, 2024 06:45 PM (eSZkd)

58 >Yeah, but the logic doesn't work either way. If Trump doesn't have it, why are they going after him?

Posted by: IrishEi
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Because they're dicks.

Posted by: Don Black at February 15, 2024 06:47 PM (geLO8)

59 56 Government seems to attract the worst people. Either that, or makes them the worst.
Posted by: Don Black at February 15, 2024 06:45 PM (geLO

Power is a seductive bitch.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 15, 2024 06:47 PM (di6C2)

60 MAUREEN CALLAHAN says image-obsessed Swift will now shake off brand Kelce.

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And write a song about an asshole he is.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at February 15, 2024 06:47 PM (FVME7)

61 Yeah, but the logic doesn't work either way. If Trump doesn't have it, why are they going after him?

To protect their phony baloney jobs?

Posted by: Oddbob at February 15, 2024 06:47 PM (sNc8Y)

62 @57

>>Yeah, but the logic doesn't work either way. If Trump doesn't have it, why are they going after him?

To paraphrase a Democrat operative whose name escapes, His kind has to be so thoroughly destroyed that no one like him rises again.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 15, 2024 06:48 PM (XV/Pl)

63 Irish Ei, because he burned down a their shibboleths.

Posted by: Ben Had at February 15, 2024 06:48 PM (Askgf)

64
All this would be worthwhile if Trump had the sense to appoint mad-dog prosecutor to go Martha Stewart on their asses but he'll appoint some ass that kisses his the most sincerely, so, meh.

Posted by: Auspex at February 15, 2024 06:48 PM (j4U/Z)

65 I said yesterday I had heard from Bongino that the raids was intended to retrieve the declassified Russiagate proof.

I did not believe this because 1) I thought if Trump had the info he would have already released it. And 2) Kash Patel on being questioned about it would not say yes, but said it sounded likely.

And now this shits real? It's like when Kristol admitted the Deep State was real.

I don't even know what to think anymore.

Posted by: blaster at February 15, 2024 06:48 PM (IFNME)

66 I have read about this several times today, and it damn near gives me apoplexy. The role of that inveterate scoundrel, John Brennan, especially infuriates me. I have always considered Brennan to be one of the worst of the many political malefactors in the attempt to get Trump, and my contempt for this closet Bolshevik once moved me to write an open letter in the style of the 18th century political commentator known by the pseudonym, "Junius" (part of my schtick).

I herewith submit the letter for your amusement: http://tinyurl.com/23u6ytvj

Posted by: Paco at February 15, 2024 06:49 PM (njExo)

67 the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) had foreign intelligence agencies run an illegal spy operation against then-candidate Trump's presidential campaign in 2016
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I talked to John Brennan. He doesn't use that word "spying" either.

We just don't choose to call it that.

Posted by: James Comey at February 15, 2024 06:49 PM (krQz2)

68 The only question of any importance is if a nation of armed citizens will allow tyrants to rule them.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at February 15, 2024 06:49 PM (vLkV8)

69 To paraphrase a Democrat operative whose name escapes, His kind has to be so thoroughly destroyed that no one like him rises again.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 15, 2024 06:48 PM (XV/Pl)
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David Plouffe?

Posted by: IrishEi at February 15, 2024 06:50 PM (eSZkd)

70 Mystery solved!

Where Are the Feminists? Libs of TikTok Highlights Trans Activist Filming Woman in Bathroom

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Women go in pairs to the ladies room so one can relieve herself and the other film it.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at February 15, 2024 06:50 PM (FVME7)

71 And write a song about an asshole he is.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at February 15, 2024 06:47 PM (FVME7)

"He dropped the ball on 4th and short, IYKWIM"

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Not Ready for the Cart at February 15, 2024 06:50 PM (T/Lqj)

72 If he had it, why wouldn't he use in the face of the coup in 2021? I dunno. I'm just wary about 'just you wait, Trump has the real info' reports after the FUD of 2020.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

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Russia Gate was over 2016 election not the 2020 election fight post election. Fighting the IC community that has a bunch of patsies willing to do actual murders. For example, notice how hard the FBI is fighting to keep Seth Rich materials from the public years after his death in 2016 or even the JFK assassination files.

Government truly has done so many shitty things to so many people over the years, they fear any exposure of them doing wrong might trigger justice. The wicked fleeth when no man pursueth kind of thing.

Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 06:50 PM (bk5GW)

73 @69

>>David Plouffe?

Yes, that name is sufficiently faggy to be the culprit.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 15, 2024 06:51 PM (XV/Pl)

74 This just in: Judge rules Nathan's Hot Dog is Kosher. Fani explains she got the $30,000 in cash turning tricks on Main St, and that at $2 each she had to work hard for the money.

Judge says "I'lll allow it". But pimp slaps Fani, and tells her to give him his cut in the future.

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at February 15, 2024 06:51 PM (CecP5)

75 Remeber when they cheered the Pentagon Papers release as essential and vital to democracy?

Now Our Democracy requires any proof of government illegality be kept top secret.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at February 15, 2024 06:52 PM (cSaKW)

76 There is so much going these days we wouldn't have dreamed possible even 10 years ago, the idea of a binder documenting treason is completely believable.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at February 15, 2024 06:52 PM (tT6L1)

77 32 So, did they get the binder?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 15, 2024 06:38 PM (di6C2)

If they had the only copy we wouldn't know such a thing ever existed.

Posted by: Just Lily at February 15, 2024 06:52 PM (RLLZj)

78 Women go in pairs to the ladies room so one can relieve herself and the other film it.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at February 15, 2024 06:50 PM (FVME7)

Two girls one cup?

Posted by: blaster at February 15, 2024 06:53 PM (IFNME)

79 Lawyers on MSNBC appear to be in agreement that Trump's lawyers are failing badly in their case against Willis. The hand ringing over this hearing here this morning was nauseating. I never doubted her.

Weisman thinks there was not any proof that Willis benefited from hiring Wade. Even CNN is being very negative about the cheato lawyers' case. Pleasantly surprised so far. Of course it could change.

They've succeeded in making Fani Willis a real hero today. This is up there with Hilary testifying in front of a rightwing lynchmob committee for 11 hours. Meanwhile criminal Trump cowers behind his lawyers and runs away from the slightest scrutiny.

I read here earlier how supposedly Fani was doing so badly. Then she took the stand and started to *thwack* homeruns over the center field wall!

I hope a lot of down ticket Republicans are watching the proceedings to see where the money they should be getting from the RNC is actually going.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at February 15, 2024 06:54 PM (ycI94)

80 Shellenberg is the son of a CIA agent.

All this info came out in 2020, not from him. Amanda Milius made a movie about it, "The Plot Against The President".

I'm at the point where I'm assuming Shellenberger is the anointed one so that he can direct where people look.

*shrug*

Posted by: moviegique (buy my book!) at February 15, 2024 06:54 PM (asXVI)

81 I did not believe this because 1) I thought if Trump had the info he would have already released it. And 2) Kash Patel on being questioned about it would not say yes, but said it sounded likely.

And now this shits real? It's like when Kristol admitted the Deep State was real.

I don't even know what to think anymore.
Posted by: blaster
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The problem is that unconstitutional declassification laws required agencies to sign off and the CIA/FBI etc. would not sign off on the declassification. This is public fact not guessing. After Jan 6th, the IC after doing their gaslighting truck and Trump facing another impeachment, my guess is that he did not have the political juice nor the ability to force the issue and the departments slow walked it. Heck, the poor man has his own Joint Chief of Staff collaborating with enemies and taking orders from the House Speaker.

Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 06:54 PM (bk5GW)

82 Have they checked Joes garage again?

Posted by: TC at February 15, 2024 06:54 PM (OgfrC)

83 Irish Ei, because he burned down a their shibboleths.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 15, 2024 06:48 PM (Askgf)
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That's for sure.

I so want it to be true that Trump has the "binder." I know I'll never get to see Brennan, Comey or Obama, et al in orange jumpsuits, but I want history to record them as the traitors that they are.

Posted by: IrishEi at February 15, 2024 06:54 PM (eSZkd)

84 But let me be clear - so far Shellenberger is only reporting that people tell him this is true. I heard the same thing years ago.

So if he has the binder that's news. Otherwise same old rumors.

Posted by: blaster at February 15, 2024 06:55 PM (IFNME)

85 The binder must be kept secret, for reasons of transparency.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at February 15, 2024 06:55 PM (MeG8a)

86 There is so much going these days we wouldn't have dreamed possible even 10 years ago, the idea of a binder documenting treason is completely believable.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker
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An inch a year.

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 15, 2024 06:56 PM (2yu8s)

87 It's all a Shakespearean tragedy.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at February 15, 2024 06:56 PM (KiBMU)

88 >>They've succeeded in making Fani Willis a real hero today.

Slay Queen!

Posted by: garrett at February 15, 2024 06:56 PM (zOR5N)

89 "They've succeeded in making Fani Willis a real hero today"

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In the George Floyd sense of the word.

Posted by: Just Lily at February 15, 2024 06:58 PM (RLLZj)

90 "...the chaotic waning days of Donald Trump's presidency in January 2021..."

??they were?

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at February 15, 2024 06:58 PM (Rbu5d)

91 "They've succeeded in making Fani Willis a real hero today"

---

In the George Floyd sense of the word.
Posted by: Just Lily at February 15, 2024 06:58 PM (RLLZj)
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Thank you, George Floyd, for dying for us.

Posted by: Nancy at February 15, 2024 06:58 PM (krQz2)

92 88 >>They've succeeded in making Fani Willis a real hero today.

Slay Queen!
Posted by: garrett
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I honestly think that a lot of the deranged commentary on DU are bots talking to each other and not that many real people. I see the same deranged shit posted on many discussion boards that discussion boards are no longer any sort of valid indicator of what people are thinking anymore.

Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 06:59 PM (bk5GW)

93
Well, norms did have to be restored. Mission accomplished!

Posted by: National Review at February 15, 2024 06:59 PM (fs1hN)

94 Weisman thinks there was not any proof that Willis benefited from hiring Wade. Even CNN is being very negative about the cheato lawyers' case. Pleasantly surprised so far. Of course it could change.

Even CNN.

*snort*

Posted by: that guy that always thinks it's beginning at February 15, 2024 07:00 PM (vtm+6)

95 Maybe it was a red herring?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 15, 2024 07:00 PM (3CVIc)

96 Shouldn't it be that only American citizens can get "First"s? I am a proud second-class citizen and have never gotten a "First". Doesn't seem equitable.

Posted by: Flag-waver at February 15, 2024 07:00 PM (V5BDR)

97 asa biden would say, two words: whittaker chambers pumpkin patch envelope in the dumbwaiter shaft

Posted by: gnats local 678 at February 15, 2024 07:00 PM (B1FKF)

98 dammit

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at February 15, 2024 07:00 PM (vtm+6)

99 93
Well, norms did have to be restored. Mission accomplished!
Posted by: National Review
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You guys are fags!!!!!!

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at February 15, 2024 07:00 PM (bk5GW)

100 cowers behind his lawyers
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Oh, no! Legal representation! And hasn't a court ordered PDT not to discuss one/all of his case/s??

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 15, 2024 07:03 PM (2yu8s)

101 re 81: i am pretty sure the president can declassify anything whether or not the ic or law enforcement people like it

Posted by: gnats local 678 at February 15, 2024 07:03 PM (B1FKF)

102 Dailymail: Put the beer down, Travis - it's not IF Taylor dumps you... but WHEN: After the coach bashing, drunken disorder and tone-deaf post-shooting selfies, MAUREEN CALLAHAN says image-obsessed Swift will now shake off brand Kelce
Posted by: SMOD at February 15, 2024 06:42 PM (tyM+O)

Might I suggest Trevor Bauer as her next BF?

At least we know he's not gay.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 15, 2024 07:05 PM (GtZ7X)

103
So nikki keeps texting me. I'm having fun texting them back with silly stuff.

The text today was to let me know she will be in Camden next Monday. I'm going to text back, So sorry, I'm shoveling Great Dane shit out of the backyard that day. Since nikki is so good at shoveling shit and she will be nearby maybe she can stop by and help.

Posted by: four seasons at February 15, 2024 07:05 PM (PisyI)

104 The antidote to the DUmmies' fantasyland...

http://tinyurl.com/mrvaawb4

Twitchy with direct videos/quotes of today's proceedings. BTW...

"The hearing for Fulton Country District Attorney Fani Willis and prosecutor Nathan Wade is taking place in Atlanta, Georgia today and even an MSNBC analyst has admitted that the wheels have come off and it's pretty much game over."

Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 15, 2024 07:05 PM (2yu8s)

105 I thought of watching Fani's case on Marxist Socialists National Broadcast Company to see how much they were on Fani's side

Posted by: Skip at February 15, 2024 07:06 PM (fwDg9)

106 101 re 81: i am pretty sure the president can declassify anything whether or not the ic or law enforcement people like it
Posted by: gnats local 678
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As a constitutional matter, it would seem so. However, whether a president must follow the declassification process set out by law has never tested in court, let alone in DC courts.

This is another ----But Trump----exception to statutes, the Constitution, and case law.

Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 07:06 PM (bk5GW)

107 It's also a misnomer to say Trump has documents, what he has are copies of documents.

All documents created by the federal government are electronic documents and are stored electronically.
Posted by: Thomas Bender

This should be tattooed on the forehead of every DC reporter backwards.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 15, 2024 07:06 PM (IG4Id)

108 how about trump has copies of those docs and releases them during the dem convention next summer?

Posted by: gnats local 678 at February 15, 2024 07:07 PM (B1FKF)

109 We are governed by excrement.

Posted by: Sam Adams at February 15, 2024 07:07 PM (DbadI)

110 re 81: i am pretty sure the president can declassify anything whether or not the ic or law enforcement people like it
Posted by: gnats local 678 at February 15, 2024 07:03 PM (B1FKF)
~~~~~

That's true. I think what happened here is that the documents were given back to the IC so they could make any truly necessary redactions. Instead, they never returned it.

Posted by: IrishEi at February 15, 2024 07:07 PM (eSZkd)

111
I am getting texts from newt. I did not he was still alive.

Posted by: four seasons at February 15, 2024 07:08 PM (PisyI)

112 108 how about trump has copies of those docs and releases them during the dem convention next summer?
Posted by: gnats local 678
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The Dem media would call the documents fake but that Trump should be arrested and charged anyway for violating the fake but true statute for criticizing Democrats and bureaucrats.

Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 07:09 PM (bk5GW)

113 A source close to Trump said, "I think [retrieving the binder] was part of [FBI's] motivation.

In other words, Trump, an FBI asset since the 80's, was handing off evidence.

Posted by: t-bird at February 15, 2024 07:09 PM (D5SRX)

114 I am getting texts from newt. I did not he was still alive.

Posted by: four seasons
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Politicians live far beyond their sell by date; loved ones die far too early.

Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 07:10 PM (bk5GW)

115 It’s still unbelievable that Biden violated improper retention of classified documents and illegally shared classified info with his biographer who proceeded to destroy the evidence and Biden will not even receive a slap on the wrist but that the Trump prosecution continues even though Trump as President has more leeway in what is considered classified and shared no information.

The unequal application of the law has to be addressed . Even the harshest Trump critic has to see this is a hill to die on.

Posted by: Sap Green at February 15, 2024 07:10 PM (MNhXM)

116 All documents created by the federal government are electronic documents and are stored electronically.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
~~~~~

I think it's more accurate to say that they are supposed to be stored electronically.

Posted by: IrishEi at February 15, 2024 07:10 PM (eSZkd)

117 109 We are governed by excrement.
Posted by: Sam Adams
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Our republic is dying by being bludgeoned to death by blunt excrement.

Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 07:11 PM (bk5GW)

118 re 111: newt is a regular on fox news/biz news

Posted by: gnats local 678 at February 15, 2024 07:11 PM (B1FKF)

119 Shit would do less damage

Posted by: AlaBAMA at February 15, 2024 07:12 PM (3CVIc)

120 And did Trump make copies?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 15, 2024 06:38 PM (di6C2)

He would be a fool not to have made multiple copies, and spread them around for safekeeping.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 15, 2024 07:12 PM (tkR6S)

121 Anything stored electronically can be made to disappear the same way. That includes digital currency.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at February 15, 2024 07:12 PM (MeG8a)

122 I am getting texts from newt. I did not he was still alive.
Posted by: four seasons at February 15, 2024 07:08 PM (PisyI)

Newt's shit is stale and no one wants to hear his long bromides on stuff he doesn't actually believe anyway.

When he sat on the couch and snuggled Nancy's saggy boobs I was not only jealous but I was done with anything he has to say.

Newt is pure shit.

Pure. Shit.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 15, 2024 07:13 PM (R/m4+)

123
What kind of name is nikki? Sounds like a name for a 14 y/ o cheerleader.

Posted by: four seasons at February 15, 2024 07:13 PM (PisyI)

124 The antidote to the DUmmies' fantasyland...
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They hide under a rock, so it's hard to get to them.

Posted by: Axeman at February 15, 2024 07:13 PM (krQz2)

125
So......when are Peter Sztrok and his gummy paramour going jail?

Posted by: Chuck Martel at February 15, 2024 07:13 PM (fs1hN)

126 The unequal application of the law has to be addressed . Even the harshest Trump critic has to see this is a hill to die on.
Posted by: Sap Green

Diogenes with his lamp would find less than 25 percent of Congress and about the same in federal judges to be honest. Bureaucrats in DC would rate well under that percentage. That is why the national government needs to be reduced to something like the Articles of Confederation powers for the citizens of the US to live happily. Essentially, most state governments are better administered than the Fedgov nowadays which is directly opposite of the Founder's era.

Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 07:13 PM (bk5GW)

127

Fani v Wade

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 15, 2024 07:14 PM (63Dwl)

128 Newt's shit is stale and no one wants to hear his long bromides on stuff he doesn't actually believe anyway.

When he sat on the couch and snuggled Nancy's saggy boobs I was not only jealous but I was done with anything he has to say.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 15, 2024 07:13 PM (R/m4+)
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His favorite president is FDR.

Posted by: Axeman at February 15, 2024 07:15 PM (krQz2)

129 I am getting texts from newt. I did not he was still alive.

Wow, 81 years old. Imagine being able to stay in your industry that long. I was replaced by Singaporeans and Indians at half his age.

Posted by: t-bird at February 15, 2024 07:15 PM (1dUol)

130 Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at February 15, 2024 06:54 PM (ycI94)

Psychopaths who believe OJ is innocent, Hunter did nothing wrong, Bill Clinton is a feminist hero and men can be women.

Posted by: Sap Green at February 15, 2024 07:16 PM (MNhXM)

131 Newt's shit is stale and no one wants to hear his long bromides on stuff he doesn't actually believe anyway.

When he sat on the couch and snuggled Nancy's saggy boobs I was not only jealous but I was done with anything he has to say.

Newt is pure shit.

Pure. Shit.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy
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Washed up old pols infest the airwaves and they always harken back to glory days to get attention and money. They should have the decency to disappear from public view much like washed up actors/actresses, media personalities, and former jocks.

Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 07:16 PM (bk5GW)

132 @101

>>i am pretty sure the president can declassify anything whether or not the ic or law enforcement people like it

The declassification process in not for the President, it allows others without the appropriate clearance to be able to view otherwise classified material.

Essentially, Trump, to a fault, attempted to play within the system.

If he gets another shot he needs to simply declassify documents outright and sign executive orders to have them released.

Like this...

I hereby declassify ALL documents related to Crossfire Hurricane and any ancillary documents, in sum and total, I am waiving the review and declassification process for these documents and any ancillary documents, I am assigning Kash Patel as my representative to work with all relevant agencies to oversee and expedite this process, on my authority as unitary executive, I am vesting the highest classification authority in Kash Patel in order to facilitate the objectives of informing the American people of a matter of great importance.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 15, 2024 07:16 PM (XV/Pl)

133 Is it true that "binder" was not recovered in the raid on Mar A Lago?

Posted by: Marcus T at February 15, 2024 07:17 PM (Fa6e8)

134 109 We are governed by excrement.

Hey, that was uncalled for!

Posted by: Piece of Shit at February 15, 2024 07:17 PM (qUkBO)

135 133 Is it true that "binder" was not recovered in the raid on Mar A Lago?
Posted by: Marcus T
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Apparently not. There was a kerfluffle a couple of weeks ago where some apparatchik reported that the DOJ wanted to search Mar a Lago again.

Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 07:19 PM (bk5GW)

136 -Fauci and US grant funded biologists offshoring the precursor of the pandemic starting 2014
-Obama and the IC cooking up Russia collusion 2016
-Jake Sullivan & the IC lying to suppress the Biden laptop 2020
-the fed/tech censorship industry, pretending to fight misinfo
-Federal security organs planted pipe bombs at the DNC & RNC on Jan 6th
-Nanci Pelosi and General Milley purposely left the Capitol insufficiently defended on Jan 6th
-The Jan 6th Committee deleted all of the evidence they collected
-Our President has Alzheimers
#NationalDivorce

Posted by: Candidus at February 15, 2024 07:20 PM (V1yiu)

137 Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 15, 2024 07:16 PM (XV/Pl)
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Put some verbiage in there about "I invoke the Constitutional principal given in the Second Article that all the executive power is vested in the President of the United States..."

Posted by: Axeman at February 15, 2024 07:20 PM (krQz2)

138 Mu suspicion is that they did not get the binder and that's why they had to stage photos for release to the press. Possibly they would have done that anyway, tho'.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at February 15, 2024 07:20 PM (MeG8a)

139 Is it true that "binder" was not recovered in the raid on Mar A Lago?
Posted by: Marcus T
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Apparently not. There was a kerfluffle a couple of weeks ago where some apparatchik reported that the DOJ wanted to search Mar a Lago again.
Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 07:19 PM (bk5GW)

If it was Bill and Hillary they would just appear on a table in one of the common rooms at Mar a Largo.

Posted by: Sap Green at February 15, 2024 07:20 PM (MNhXM)

140 "Apparently not. There was a kerfluffle a couple of weeks ago where some apparatchik reported that the DOJ wanted to search Mar a Lago again.
Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 07:19 PM (bk5GW)"

So they know the binder is missing and Jack Smith prosecution is just cover for the op to retrieve it and somehow pressure Trump into using it as a bargaining chip. I mean, if I'm putting on my tinfoil hat.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 15, 2024 07:21 PM (Fa6e8)

141 IN more important news regarding Covid,

From the Daily Star,
"According to a new study, women who have been infected with the virus are more likely to struggle in the bedroom compared to those who swerved the bug.

Scientists suggest this trend is linked to viral diseases disrupting blood flow to genitals, which then leads to lower arousal levels and sexual satisfaction."

The study does not address those that were vaxxed or not.

Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 07:21 PM (bk5GW)

142 Is it true that "binder" was not recovered in the raid on Mar A Lago?
Posted by: Marcus T
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That's what I heard.

I heard some people theorizing that's why they started going through personal effects and underwear drawers.

They were desperate to find the folder that incriminated the IC.

Posted by: Axeman at February 15, 2024 07:21 PM (krQz2)

143 "What kind of name is nikki? Sounds like a name for a 14 y/ o cheerleader."

A little old for me but can i give her sniff anyway?

Posted by: joe in scranton at February 15, 2024 07:22 PM (89Sog)

144 i am pretty sure the president can declassify anything whether or not the ic or law enforcement people like it
Posted by: gnats local 678
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As a constitutional matter, it would seem so. However, whether a president must follow the declassification process set out by law has never tested in court, let alone in DC courts.

This is another ----But Trump----exception to statutes, the Constitution, and case law.
Posted by: whig

The President, even Potato, can arbitrarily release any damn thing he wants regardless of 'processes'. If Congress don't like it they can Impeach.

Even Potato can call for a SEAL Team 6 hit on Congressmen that him the wrong way. The team members who go with it may charged as applicable though.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at February 15, 2024 07:22 PM (cOq4q)

145 If it was Bill and Hillary they would just appear on a table in one of the common rooms at Mar a Largo.
Posted by: Sap Green
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Well played.

Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 07:22 PM (bk5GW)

146 By the way, DU has been co-opted by the deep state. The deep state posts their latest lunatic hot takes, knowing the loons at DU will take them as gospel.

DU is an op designed to keep the nuts fired up. Prove me wrong.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at February 15, 2024 07:22 PM (tT6L1)

147 So they know the binder is missing and Jack Smith prosecution is just cover for the op to retrieve it and somehow pressure Trump into using it as a bargaining chip. I mean, if I'm putting on my tinfoil hat.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 15, 2024 07:21 PM (Fa6e

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Sound argument, if you ask me.

Posted by: Axeman at February 15, 2024 07:23 PM (krQz2)

148 The President, even Potato, can arbitrarily release any damn thing he wants regardless of 'processes'. If Congress don't like it they can Impeach.

Even Potato can call for a SEAL Team 6 hit on Congressmen that him the wrong way. The team members who go with it may charged as applicable though.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher

That is the point, Trump was already facing impeachment for Jan 6th and I think that the Dems could have gotten the votes from the GOPe if he had tried to release them in the waning days of his presidency.

Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 07:23 PM (bk5GW)

149 #NationalDivorce

But how do we solve a problem called Grand Old Pussies? They would turn us into California-light in about 20 years.

Posted by: Nikki was my dog's name at February 15, 2024 07:24 PM (qUkBO)

150 Posted by: Candidus at February 15, 2024 07:20 PM (V1yiu

Good half list .

😀

Posted by: Sap Green at February 15, 2024 07:24 PM (MNhXM)

151 122

'When he sat on the couch and snuggled Nancy's saggy boobs '

I did more than snuggle them. (winks) .
BBBBB-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B!!!!

Posted by: Mr . Newt at February 15, 2024 07:24 PM (roH4R)

152 The Cathedral does not allow apostates:

@TPostMillennial 17m
BREAKING: Biden DOJ arrests former FBI informant who said Biden took bribes from Ukrainian energy company

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 15, 2024 07:24 PM (IG4Id)

153 146 By the way, DU has been co-opted by the deep state. The deep state posts their latest lunatic hot takes, knowing the loons at DU will take them as gospel.

DU is an op designed to keep the nuts fired up. Prove me wrong.
Posted by: Blake
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They run influence ops on all social media or ask their five eyes friends to do it for them and most of the actual dirty work is passed down to contractors who then hire the know nothing plebes and computer bot nets to do the dirty work.

Much the same as Twitter was infested with bots.

Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 07:26 PM (bk5GW)

154 DU is an op designed to keep the nuts fired up. Prove me wrong.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at February 15, 2024 07:22 PM (tT6L1)

I'd say the same for here, but we have our own lane we usually stay within and resist the truly insane lane changes argued by new one name nics.

By the same token, one might argue we are using the site as a regulatory instrument psychologically.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 15, 2024 07:26 PM (di6C2)

155 I just want this stupid ride to end.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 15, 2024 07:26 PM (2ovLw)

156 Methinks Trump knew they would come for the binder based on the content. Because a lot of people will be facing federal prison time if it is let out. He had to be laughing his ass off when they raided Mar a Lago.

Be funny if some third party released it anonymously. Imagine how the agency would go into overdrive deleting the internet and trying to uncover the source. Lololol

Posted by: Marcus T at February 15, 2024 07:26 PM (Fa6e8)

157 Amen Cat

Posted by: four seasons at February 15, 2024 07:26 PM (PisyI)

158 The raid was purely done as cover for what they knew was coming about Biden. Hence polls about "classified document handling" between BOTH candidates.

Posted by: ... at February 15, 2024 07:28 PM (lX8VI)

159 Cathedral does not allow apostates:

@TPostMillennial 17m
BREAKING: Biden DOJ arrests former FBI informant who said Biden took bribes from Ukrainian energy company
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 15, 2024 07:24 PM (IG4Id)

They said he provided false information. When will they arrest themselves for Operation Crossfire.

They are also reporting Biden had nothing to do with firing the Burisma prosecutor which is part of the info provided by the informant. Biden is on video bragging about it.

Posted by: Sap Green at February 15, 2024 07:28 PM (MNhXM)

160 DU is an op designed to keep the nuts fired up. Prove me wrong.
Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at February 15, 2024 07:22 PM (tT6L1)

Why is it called the "Democrat Underground".

The assholes are in charge for crying out loud. Such bullshit.

Should be called the "Democrat Overlords".

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 15, 2024 07:28 PM (R/m4+)

161 That is the point, Trump was already facing impeachment for Jan 6th and I think that the Dems could have gotten the votes from the GOPe if he had tried to release them in the waning days of his presidency.

Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 07:23 PM (bk5GW)
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I always thought that was brand suicide so the Pubbies wouldn't want to do it.

That was when I didn't think that Pubbies are precisely there to throw themselves on grenades for DC.

Every so often, a DC Pubbie gets burned and has to retire. They have blown their cover, they will no longer be accepted by their constituency.

Posted by: Axeman at February 15, 2024 07:28 PM (krQz2)

162 @137

>>Put some verbiage in there about "I invoke the Constitutional principal given in the Second Article that all the executive power is vested in the President of the United States..."

That, and I would add some verbiage that Kash Patel has the supreme authority to decide what a relevant document is for the purposes of the EO.

Basically, we need two pipe hitting Indians going hammer and tongs after the deep state.

Kash reveals the plot, Vivek eliminates the agencies.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at February 15, 2024 07:28 PM (XV/Pl)

163 An Australian Senator is asking questions of his government about their involvement in this mess, and has contacted Shellenberger:

https://twitter.com/mattjcan/status/
1758061858362433623

Posted by: IrishEi at February 15, 2024 07:28 PM (eSZkd)

164 I'd say the same for here, but we have our own lane we usually stay within and resist the truly insane lane changes argued by new one name nics.

By the same token, one might argue we are using the site as a regulatory instrument psychologically.
Posted by: Aetius451AD
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I guess I need to add a bunch of words to my nic so I gain authenticity to push my truly insane lane changes then.

Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 07:28 PM (bk5GW)

165
Here is a cheer for nikki.

Nikki nikki, i like strange dickie.

Posted by: four seasons at February 15, 2024 07:28 PM (PisyI)

166 The CIA is bullshit. I think it is time for the republicans to get serious and cut back next years budget increase by 5%.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 15, 2024 07:29 PM (2ovLw)

167 >>>Ahhh... this begins to make sense.
~~~~~

Begins? Have you not read any of JackStraw's comments?

Posted by: IrishEi at February 15, 2024 07:29 PM (eSZkd)

168 Nood Cafe.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at February 15, 2024 07:30 PM (4dQ1V)

169 the same token, one might argue we are using the site as a regulatory instrument psychologically.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 15, 2024 07:26 PM (di6C2)
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Well, the MoMe's are an excellent indication this place is what says it is.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at February 15, 2024 07:30 PM (tT6L1)

170 I always thought that was brand suicide so the Pubbies wouldn't want to do it.

That was when I didn't think that Pubbies are precisely there to throw themselves on grenades for DC.

Every so often, a DC Pubbie gets burned and has to retire. They have blown their cover, they will no longer be accepted by their constituency.
Posted by: Axeman
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My default belief nowadays is that behind every Senator is a long line of criminality plus immoral and unethical behavior.

A senator has to prove me wrong by actions in office. Very few have given me sufficient proof as to be innocent.

Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 07:31 PM (bk5GW)

171 >>> They are also reporting Biden had nothing to do with firing the Burisma prosecutor which is part of the info provided by the informant. Biden is on video bragging about it.
Posted by: Sap Green

Biden is a old man who misremembers things that may have never happened.
Especially when bragging abort extorion rackets.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at February 15, 2024 07:31 PM (cOq4q)

172 Be funny if some third party released it anonymously. Imagine how the agency would go into overdrive deleting the internet and trying to uncover the source. Lololol
Posted by: Marcus T
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Julian Assange, while an asshole, is what happens when third parties mess with the IC of the West. Snowden was wise to get out of the country to Russia.

Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 07:33 PM (bk5GW)

173 Be funny if some third party released it anonymously. Imagine how the agency would go into overdrive deleting the internet and trying to uncover the source. Lololol
Posted by: Marcus T at February 15, 2024 07:26 PM (Fa6e

~~~~~

Trump gets elected. Pardons Snowden and Assange. They release EVERYTHING they ever had, including the Binder.

Posted by: IrishEi at February 15, 2024 07:36 PM (eSZkd)

174 80 Shellenberg is the son of a CIA agent.

+++++

Michael Shellenberger comes from a Mennonite family, went to a Quaker school, was a peace activist, and got his degree in peace and global studies.

Posted by: Oglebay at February 15, 2024 07:37 PM (ogTiX)

175 Trump gets elected. Pardons Snowden and Assange. They release EVERYTHING they ever had, including the Binder.
Posted by: IrishEi
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Yep. The JFK, MLK, and RFK assassination files en toto as well.

Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 07:39 PM (bk5GW)

176 Michael Shellenberger and Titus Morris are practically the same person.

Posted by: Oglebay at February 15, 2024 07:39 PM (ogTiX)

177 Yep. The JFK, MLK, and RFK assassination files en toto as well.
Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 07:39 PM (bk5GW)
~~~~~

It would be grand.

Posted by: IrishEi at February 15, 2024 07:42 PM (eSZkd)

178 Trump: "They're spying on my campaign." in 2015/16 and you all just blew him off. He was right. More often than not.

SUNDANCE! Your favorite guy, ACE, had the Crossfire Hurricane crap lined up in 2018; he still has serious connections in DC you would be wise to at least entertain seeing how his site was the first seriously attacked by the CIA in 2021...

After 2017 Trump hired some very good and serious people you still need to acknowledge.

Respectfully

Posted by: Danimal28 at February 15, 2024 07:51 PM (ryUqI)

179 Ask yourselves who Shellenberger is:

http://tinyurl.com/utzhyfrp

Posted by: Danimal28 at February 15, 2024 07:55 PM (ryUqI)

180 SUNDANCE! Your favorite guy, ACE, had the Crossfire Hurricane crap lined up in 2018; he still has serious connections in DC you would be wise to at least entertain seeing how his site was the first seriously attacked by the CIA in 2021...

After 2017 Trump hired some very good and serious people you still need to acknowledge.

Respectfully
Posted by: Danimal28 at February 15, 2024 07:51 PM (ryUqI)
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Sundance got suckered in the primary game, posting total BS about who was funding who. I don't know why. He was wrong about all of it. Why would you pay attention to any of it anymore.

He had his lane. He jumped it. I can't believe anything he writes anymore.

Posted by: Black JEM at February 15, 2024 08:02 PM (UVyKP)

181 179 Ask yourselves who Shellenberger is:

http://tinyurl.com/utzhyfrp
Posted by: Danimal28

So,even if this is a limited hangout, it is still useful as we do know separately from others including Kash Patel that Trump was fighting the bureaucracy up to leaving office in 2021 to get documents released.

Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 08:03 PM (bk5GW)

182 Sundance got suckered in the primary game, posting total BS about who was funding who. I don't know why. He was wrong about all of it. Why would you pay attention to any of it anymore.

He had his lane. He jumped it. I can't believe anything he writes anymore.
Posted by: Black JEM
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If you are talking about social media influencers being paid to play, dunno what Sundance wrote about it but places like the Daily Wire among others had to confirm they received money from a candidate's campaign. You can dig down and find it within a certain Superpac's expenditure reports with the FEC.

Posted by: whig at February 15, 2024 08:04 PM (bk5GW)

183 There's no way Trump's staff could have duplicated that information and cached the duplicates in multiple places, right?

Posted by: Jim at February 15, 2024 08:27 PM (zhWvq)

184 I remember it as PDT saying
We caught them
We caught them all

Posted by: kactus at February 15, 2024 09:45 PM (95Ps/)

185 "Ask yourselves who Shellenberger is:"

Danimal28 at February 15, 2024 07:55 PM

Emerald is right about conservatives who were actually victims of censorship being ignored in congressional hearings, while those chosen by Elon Musk to review the Twitter Files (Bari Weiss, Matt Taibbi and Michael Shellenberger in particular) were interviewed extensively.

Seem to me that all three of those above are former leftists who aren't quite leftists anymore. Shellenberger seems to have an odd array of political positions, some of them quite anti-progressive, others not. I remember his tweets from when he was running for governor of California as being anti-solar, anti-wind power and pro-nuclear. He seemed to make a good case that a lot of environmentalists were hurting the environment.

The credits say this piece on the Trump documents was written by Michael Shellenberger, Matt Taibbi and Alex Gutentag.

Posted by: KT at February 15, 2024 10:24 PM (rrtZS)

186 read to the bottom..."A guest post by Matt Tiabbi"

Posted by: birdog at February 15, 2024 10:31 PM (SFGDK)

187 The file would never be acted on at present.

However in early 2025 it could be.

And the Donald undoubtedly has copies, somewhere nice and safe.

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