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Gun Thread: Sunday After WW's Birthday Edition!
Fundamentals
So what am I talking about when I mention fundamentals? Welp, I think of fundamentals as the four distinct groups of actions needed to accurately execute a shot. For handguns these are most commonly broken into the following; stance, grip, sight alignment and trigger pull. But where among the four do we find mastering the flinch reflex? I'd say it belongs in the trigger-pull department. Do you agree or do you think it belongs somewhere else, or perhaps not in the fundamentals at all? Q: Weasel, what is a flinch reflex?
A: If you have it, you'll very likely find evidence of this insidious reflexive action on the target. Shooting low left/right? You may be anticipating the shot and flinching. Q: Weasel, how do I get rid of this insidious reflexive flinch action?
A: Don't do it anymore. Yep, it's really that simple. Just stop flinching. Don't believe you're doing it and your improperly torqued socks are causing the low left/right results? Just have someone take a video of you shooting at the range. I mean it. Have someone record you firing two or three sets of groups and study your form. Disgusted with what you see? Millions of years ago in the caveman days, we developed a flinch reflex in reaction to situations such as nearby lightning, charging dinosaurs and rival groups such as the Hill People throwing rocks at us. It is now so ingrained in our DNA that today a bright flash and loud explosion a couple feet in front of us tends to make us jump and look away. Since the smart part of our brain realizes all the noise and smoke is coming from the thing we're holding, we instinctively get all twitchy and push down in an attempt to save ourselves from the loud flashy thing flipping back and whacking us in the face. That's the flinch. With me so far? How many times have you fired a gun and had it fly out of your hands, hitting yourself in the nose and landing somewhere behind you? None you say? Approximately 0.0 times? Well then why on earth are you flinching? Because your caveman DNA told you to? Who exactly is in charge of your brain, the caveman? You have to tell yourself not to flinch, and then practice not flinching. This is why its so important to develop proper muscle memory, so you can concentrate on one aspect of fundamentals without everything else going to shit. Good News/Bad News
Well I have good news and bad news. Bad news first. You will probably never stop doing it altogether and every once in a while will catch yourself flinching. I still find myself doing it at times when I am not focused on fundamentals. Good news: You can train yourself to mostly overcome the reaction by simply telling yourself not to do it. Again, I'm being serious here. Go to the range, get yourself all set to shoot, and focus on not flinching all the way through the trigger pull. You will have to practice this, but believe me, it works. Here's a Sig Sauer Academy dude looking all ball-headed with a good range drill. Ever tried this?
Guns of the Horde
This week we have another real winner from our pal Ed L, a Colt Improved M1911/M1911A1 Transition Model!
Source: Colt .45 Service Pistols, Models of 1911 and 1911A1, by Charles W. Clawson The US Army was mostly satisfied with the M1911's performance in WWI, but soldiers had some gripes about its ergonomics. In 1920, US Army Ordinance asked the US Cavalry to evaluate proposed modifications to the M1911. The US Cavalry proposed three significant changes to improve the M1911's ergonomics: 1) lengthening the grip safety's tang at the upper part of the grip safety to reduce the risk of "hammer bite", 2) reducing the length of the trigger, and 3) adding a hump to the mainspring housing at the lower rear of the pistol to aid shooters in getting and maintaining a proper grip on the pistol. By June 1923, the US Army had contracted with Colt to produce 10,000 "Improved M1911" pistols for $26.50 each. In order to save money, Colt did not include any magazines with new production pistols. Instead, the US Army supplied leftover surplus WWI production magazines, one per pistol.
These pistols carry the stylized initials "WTG" just below the slide stop. The "W" and "T" are encircled by the curve of the "G". These are the initials of then Captain Walter T. Gorton, assigned to the Colt factory as the Inspector of Ordinance. Captain Gorton's initials signified final acceptance of the completed pistol. A close look at individual components of the pistol such as the slide, barrel, and frame will reveal "H" markings stamped on them. The "H" mark represented provisional acceptance of key parts of the pistol by Francis L. Hosmer, Captain Gorton's civilian deputy and foreman of the US Army Ordinance inspection team working at the Colt factory. Francis Hosmer was a veteran employee. He inspected M1911s at Colt since the first ones rolled off the production line in 1912 through most of WWI. The right side of the slide carries the same "MODEL OF 1911. U.S. ARMY" that earlier M1911 pistols did. The "M1911A1" designation didn't become official until 1926, but the drawings used for manufacture did not add the "M1911A1" designation until 1938.
The final photo shows the signature features of M1911A1 pistols. Visible are 1) the shortened trigger, 2) receiver cut behind the trigger to improve trigger reach for those with short fingers, 3) the extended grip safety tang, 4) the checkered "hump" of the mainspring housing, and 5) the fully checkered walnut grips. Like all interwar pistols, Colt finished these pistols in a high polish blue. This pistol shows wear and spots to the finish, indicating significant use or exposure to the elements. Colt shipped this pistol to Springfield Armory, MA, on February 7, 1924, which makes this pistol exactly 100 years old this month.Wow! Thanks Ed L! I am sure I speak for the whole group when I say these are very much appreciated!
Gun Gadgets
Attaching stuff to guns seems to be a popular pastime for many. I'm old skool and want iron sights on handguns and that's it.
Talk or Shut Up? So we've covered whether or not to talk to the police after a self-defense shooting incident where you are the trigger-puller before, and I have always maintained talking to the cops before talking to a lawyer was a bad idea. I still think it's a bad idea in case you're curious. But does that mean after shooting a bad guy you just go completely mute and say nothing? I don't think that's a good choice, either. I do think some sort of general statement about what has happened to the police is appropriate before invoking your right to not make things a bazillion times worse for yourself by getting all chatty with the fuzz. The key, I believe, is to have a plan in advance if the unthinkable occurs. Let me repeat that. Have some idea of what you would say to the police before asking for a lawyer and shutting the hell up. Having a basic plan might just keep you from blathering on and making problematic statements. This first video is from Mas Ayoob on the Wilson Combat channel discussing the issue some time ago. The second video follows up on the first and is what caught my attention. It was released just a few days ago. First Video
Tech Support For Voyager I wonder if they tried turning it off and turning it back on before all this upload business?
Musical Interlude
More forest sounds. Extra Gun Thread credit for listening to the whole thing!
Gun Basics 101
New video from the She Equips Herself gal! This week's video is on the S&W Super Carry EZ and Equalizer.
Not a cigar, but a cigar vendor vendor this week! I have been buying my cigars from Nick's Cigar World for some time. Great prices, great service and insanely fast shipping. What's not to like?
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Nicks Cigar World New! A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!
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Gubs!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 04, 2024 07:00 PM (Wnv9h)
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Evening everyone
Posted by: Skip at February 04, 2024 07:00 PM (fwDg9)
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Soggy good evening horde!
Posted by: TRex at February 04, 2024 07:00 PM (I6VUI)
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Bang
Posted by: Eromero at February 04, 2024 07:00 PM (NxC5+)
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Now, it's Sunday....
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 07:00 PM (32nmx)
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The Others have been summoned.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 04, 2024 07:01 PM (Wnv9h)
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Who exactly is in charge of your brain, the caveman?
Looks at the 'ettes and grunts approvingly.
Wait, you're saying that's a bad thing?
Looks at the 'ettes and grunts approvingly.
Wait, you're saying that's a bad thing?
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 07:03 PM (32nmx)
Posted by: Ben Had at February 04, 2024 07:04 PM (X9alN)
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It is funny, I fight the flinch when shooting at a paper target, but when shooting at something edible, I don't have time to think about it, and don't do it.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at February 04, 2024 07:05 PM (lTGtQ)
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Ben less mechanical problems
Posted by: Skip at February 04, 2024 07:06 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 04, 2024 07:08 PM (HlyYF)
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not exactly gun-related, but outdoors-sporty anyway; I for one am hoping and praying that ol' Punxsutawney Phil was spot-on this year! I am so over winter it's just not even funny.
yesyesyes, I know I have been harder-core in other years; ... just sayin' ...
yesyesyes, I know I have been harder-core in other years; ... just sayin' ...
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at February 04, 2024 07:09 PM (QwWES)
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Pillage Idiot, hugs
Posted by: Ben Had at February 04, 2024 07:09 PM (X9alN)
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Evening all. Read the content!
Can we elect Ed L. as the unofficial Gun Thread historian? :-)
No range news or anything else firearm related from me.
I do think about self defense a bit more these days with what NYC has become. Thankfully I am not in Manhattan but in another borough that is relatively safe. Safe as can expected.
More reasons to get out of here. ;-)
Can we elect Ed L. as the unofficial Gun Thread historian? :-)
No range news or anything else firearm related from me.
I do think about self defense a bit more these days with what NYC has become. Thankfully I am not in Manhattan but in another borough that is relatively safe. Safe as can expected.
More reasons to get out of here. ;-)
Posted by: Scuba Dude at February 04, 2024 07:09 PM (f0/sc)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 04, 2024 07:10 PM (Wnv9h)
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RMBS, clinks glass
Posted by: Ben Had at February 04, 2024 07:11 PM (X9alN)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 04, 2024 07:11 PM (Wnv9h)
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Important point on that live/dry-fire drill is taking out the magazine. Because most (I think) semi-autos lock back with an empty magazine. While you can carry on if your magazine locks back by dropping the slide lock, you've just broken the momentum - you've reset your brain and aren't now thinking "Get that second shot off."
Of course, the other way to do it is to have a range buddy load your magazines with duds in them somewhat randomly. Especially because you're not anticipating it, you will REALLY see your flinch and it WILL get your attention. That one you have to obviously pay attention to unloading the dummy round so you don't lose it somewhere in front of the firing line or something.
Of course, the other way to do it is to have a range buddy load your magazines with duds in them somewhat randomly. Especially because you're not anticipating it, you will REALLY see your flinch and it WILL get your attention. That one you have to obviously pay attention to unloading the dummy round so you don't lose it somewhere in front of the firing line or something.
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 07:12 PM (32nmx)
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That Improved 1911 is absolutely gorgeous. Ed L, will you adopt me?
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 04, 2024 07:13 PM (PWe8a)
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 04, 2024 07:13 PM (2yu8s)
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>>>But where among the four do we find mastering the flinch reflex? I'd say it belongs in the trigger-pull department. Do you agree or do you think it belongs somewhere else, or perhaps not in the fundamentals at all?
Q: Weasel, what is a flinch reflex?
A: If you have it, you'll very likely find evidence of this insidious reflexive action on the target. Shooting low left/right? You may be anticipating the shot and flinching.
Q: Weasel, how do I get rid of this insidious reflexive flinch action?
A: Don't do it anymore.
>Stop pulling the trigger. Squeeze the trigger.
Breathing. Squeeze the trigger during mid-exhale.
And quit fucking blinking. Keep your eyes open! Your eyelids will not protect you should your firearm explode in you face!
Q: Weasel, what is a flinch reflex?
A: If you have it, you'll very likely find evidence of this insidious reflexive action on the target. Shooting low left/right? You may be anticipating the shot and flinching.
Q: Weasel, how do I get rid of this insidious reflexive flinch action?
A: Don't do it anymore.
>Stop pulling the trigger. Squeeze the trigger.
Breathing. Squeeze the trigger during mid-exhale.
And quit fucking blinking. Keep your eyes open! Your eyelids will not protect you should your firearm explode in you face!
Posted by: Dr. Bone at February 04, 2024 07:14 PM (EEgXH)
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More practice! And I don't mean mag dumps.
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at February 04, 2024 07:14 PM (as3uC)
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Question for the Horde Brain Trust:
What are your thoughts on non-lethal self-defense "guns" like the Byrna pepper ball guns?
Background: This is for my oldest daughter who lives in a not great part of a large city. She has been walking her dog on the park trails, which are pretty darn secluded and is worried about a person stalking her with bad intent.
She is intelligent, she has good situation awareness. However, she is NOT careful 100% of the time. If she is having a bad day, she can check out for long periods. If she had a firearm in a concealed carry purse, she might do something like walk away from her grocery cart and have the gun stolen.
I think the BEST advice is to train her properly for a real firearm. However, I am not sure that will be sufficient, given her personality quirks.
Any advice on the "half measure" of using a pepper ball gun?
What are your thoughts on non-lethal self-defense "guns" like the Byrna pepper ball guns?
Background: This is for my oldest daughter who lives in a not great part of a large city. She has been walking her dog on the park trails, which are pretty darn secluded and is worried about a person stalking her with bad intent.
She is intelligent, she has good situation awareness. However, she is NOT careful 100% of the time. If she is having a bad day, she can check out for long periods. If she had a firearm in a concealed carry purse, she might do something like walk away from her grocery cart and have the gun stolen.
I think the BEST advice is to train her properly for a real firearm. However, I am not sure that will be sufficient, given her personality quirks.
Any advice on the "half measure" of using a pepper ball gun?
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 04, 2024 07:15 PM (HlyYF)
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"Improved M1911" pistols for $26.50 each
Boy do I miss those days....
Boy do I miss those days....
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 07:16 PM (32nmx)
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Every time the topic comes up, I recommend the video from Silverado Shooting Academy that was featured here 3 or 4 years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYzheuJE47E
Also, my CMP 1911 is waiting for me at my local FFL but I won't be able to pick it up until Tuesday. No idea what I'm getting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYzheuJE47E
Also, my CMP 1911 is waiting for me at my local FFL but I won't be able to pick it up until Tuesday. No idea what I'm getting.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 04, 2024 07:16 PM (sNc8Y)
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Weasel - Belated Happy Birthday greetings to your better half!
Posted by: Retired, thank God! at February 04, 2024 07:16 PM (9BIt9)
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13 Pillage Idiot, hugs
Posted by: Ben Had at February 04, 2024 07:09 PM
Howdy Ben Had!
Big hugs right back at ya'.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 04, 2024 07:09 PM
Howdy Ben Had!
Big hugs right back at ya'.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 04, 2024 07:16 PM (HlyYF)
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Good evening gub threaders and all the ships at sea!
Today was a DMV MGC shooting day and MiniMoMe. We lacked our historian due to car trouble.
And, we waited longer at the range to shoot than we have ever before - almost an hour and a half. We are not sure why. Perhaps it is coincident with the The Nation's Gun Show and that explains it. But there were a LOT of people shooting today.
Today was a DMV MGC shooting day and MiniMoMe. We lacked our historian due to car trouble.
And, we waited longer at the range to shoot than we have ever before - almost an hour and a half. We are not sure why. Perhaps it is coincident with the The Nation's Gun Show and that explains it. But there were a LOT of people shooting today.
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 07:17 PM (IFNME)
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Disagree on red dots. I’ve transitioned to them on all of my carry guns. I have lost the elasticity of my eyes at my age, I can’t get a clear front sight and clear enough target in my sight picture anymore. I noticed my shooting falling off with irons. Trained with a few red dot shooters and I’m back to good. As for the batteries that’s a bs issue. I change them every January 1st never had one die. I use all trijicon rmr or sro’s.
Posted by: Nevada Dave at February 04, 2024 07:17 PM (JNp5p)
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Pillage Idiot, mace
Posted by: Ben Had at February 04, 2024 07:17 PM (X9alN)
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Since i see Ben Had is here - it's not too early to ask I don't think - date settled on Texas yet?
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 07:18 PM (IFNME)
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PEZ dispensers on my handgun? I thought that's what the magazine was?
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 07:19 PM (32nmx)
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A: Don't do it anymore.
Reminds me of a doctor visit and $50 copay.
Doc. It hurts when I do this.
Well. Don't do that.
Reminds me of a doctor visit and $50 copay.
Doc. It hurts when I do this.
Well. Don't do that.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 04, 2024 07:19 PM (VVmVo)
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Blaster 3rd weekend in October. I will get it in the sidebar next week.l
Posted by: Ben Had at February 04, 2024 07:20 PM (X9alN)
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I'll bite on the red dot. I have the factory one on my P365XL and lurv it. It's a co-witness (I think that's the right term) so that the dot lines up with the iron sights but you've still got the iron sights. If the red dot fails you've still got sights.
I don't think I'd recommend a new shooter start with a red dot pistol right out of the gate, but for all I know it might make the person an even better shot and make the entire experience more enjoyable.
Since guns like the MPX and Scorpion and AR pistols are also pistols, that's where red dots shine. 100 yard confidence with a pistol? Yes please. Which I've said before is what I think was part of the problem with braced pistols. That level of accuracy, controllability, and safety for your family and neighbors in a do-it-all home defense weapon is likely frowned upon by regulatory agencies.
I don't think I'd recommend a new shooter start with a red dot pistol right out of the gate, but for all I know it might make the person an even better shot and make the entire experience more enjoyable.
Since guns like the MPX and Scorpion and AR pistols are also pistols, that's where red dots shine. 100 yard confidence with a pistol? Yes please. Which I've said before is what I think was part of the problem with braced pistols. That level of accuracy, controllability, and safety for your family and neighbors in a do-it-all home defense weapon is likely frowned upon by regulatory agencies.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The RNC is the NRA of the GOP at February 04, 2024 07:21 PM (AIJ3L)
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ohmygosh what a sweet 1911!
still, 40+ years later, I am (momentarily) regretting not buying that Union Switch & Signal 1911 that I saw in a shop's showcase off away back in the day ...
I was sayin' to Mrs the other day how instead of all of my various "retirement (lol)" packages, I had just bought a 1911x every few months, we would be so, so set for prosperity. let alone if I had bought a few Cobra .357s ...
o well ...
still, 40+ years later, I am (momentarily) regretting not buying that Union Switch & Signal 1911 that I saw in a shop's showcase off away back in the day ...
I was sayin' to Mrs the other day how instead of all of my various "retirement (lol)" packages, I had just bought a 1911x every few months, we would be so, so set for prosperity. let alone if I had bought a few Cobra .357s ...
o well ...
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at February 04, 2024 07:21 PM (QwWES)
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Good afternoon everyone.
Thanks again, Weasel.
Hammer bite from the 1911 didn't really become a non-issue until the advent of beavertail and the bobbed hammer.
I used to own a Rock Island GI pattern and it was normal to go home from a day of shooting with a bit of blood on the hand. Worth it, though.
Thanks again, Weasel.
Hammer bite from the 1911 didn't really become a non-issue until the advent of beavertail and the bobbed hammer.
I used to own a Rock Island GI pattern and it was normal to go home from a day of shooting with a bit of blood on the hand. Worth it, though.
Posted by: Mrs Andy Canuck at February 04, 2024 07:21 PM (tT6L1)
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29 Disagree on red dots. I’ve transitioned to them on all of my carry guns....
Posted by: Nevada Dave at February 04, 2024 07:17 PM (JNp5p)
My EDC remains a dotted Sig P365 XL.
I have moved back from my dots on everything stance to a dots on everything made for one - I dedotted my Sig P226 because it just looked awkward with the adapter plate even though it shot just fine. But now I want an RXP because its made for a dot. Though thinking maybe a 320 because 1) its about 2/3 the cost and 2) it is the 21st century and everything.
Posted by: Nevada Dave at February 04, 2024 07:17 PM (JNp5p)
My EDC remains a dotted Sig P365 XL.
I have moved back from my dots on everything stance to a dots on everything made for one - I dedotted my Sig P226 because it just looked awkward with the adapter plate even though it shot just fine. But now I want an RXP because its made for a dot. Though thinking maybe a 320 because 1) its about 2/3 the cost and 2) it is the 21st century and everything.
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 07:22 PM (IFNME)
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We are working to make the IDPA range at the MoMe even better.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 04, 2024 07:22 PM (X9alN)
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/off sock.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 04, 2024 07:22 PM (tT6L1)
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Evening, Weasel!
Evening, Gub lubbers!
Evening, Gub lubbers!
Posted by: RI Red at February 04, 2024 07:23 PM (cGD0I)
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Also, my CMP 1911 is waiting for me at my local FFL but I won't be able to pick it up until Tuesday. No idea what I'm getting.
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There's not a lot that will make you appreciate modern sights more than 29 year old eyes trying to shoot an old 1911 in low light.
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There's not a lot that will make you appreciate modern sights more than 29 year old eyes trying to shoot an old 1911 in low light.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The RNC is the NRA of the GOP at February 04, 2024 07:23 PM (AIJ3L)
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34 Blaster 3rd weekend in October. I will get it in the sidebar next week.l
Posted by: Ben Had at February 04, 2024 07:20 PM (X9alN)
Thanks Ben Had!
Insert heart emojis here.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 04, 2024 07:20 PM (X9alN)
Thanks Ben Had!
Insert heart emojis here.
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 07:24 PM (IFNME)
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30 Pillage Idiot, mace
Posted by: Ben Had at February 04, 2024 07:17 PM
I have already armed her with that.
However, she doesn't trust it. Of course she watches stupid movies where that bad guy just shrugs off a face full of mace.
Further, we have only practiced with it once! Which is pitiful, considering how much the Horde practices with their self-defense guns.
Perhaps some videos of self-defense training with mace as your primary weapon?
She is not a spazz, but also not "athletic" and also not as tough as most of the 'ettes that I have met.
(Of course, I am also not as tough as most of the 'ettes!)
Posted by: Ben Had at February 04, 2024 07:17 PM
I have already armed her with that.
However, she doesn't trust it. Of course she watches stupid movies where that bad guy just shrugs off a face full of mace.
Further, we have only practiced with it once! Which is pitiful, considering how much the Horde practices with their self-defense guns.
Perhaps some videos of self-defense training with mace as your primary weapon?
She is not a spazz, but also not "athletic" and also not as tough as most of the 'ettes that I have met.
(Of course, I am also not as tough as most of the 'ettes!)
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 04, 2024 07:24 PM (HlyYF)
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Greetings all. Longtime lurker, fanatic commenter back in the day, now just old and fanatic. Nice to be breathing.
Posted by: Sandman arrivrth at February 04, 2024 07:24 PM (AHNZq)
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They should just send Lt. Ilia up to fix V'ger.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at February 04, 2024 07:24 PM (XMwZJ)
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Haven't commented since maybe 2018 2019.
Posted by: Sandman arrivrth at February 04, 2024 07:25 PM (AHNZq)
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Hello, Weasel!
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 07:26 PM (yRXSd)
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Evening Weasel, and all the Gub threaders.
Thank you once again for the favorite thread of the week.
Yes, flinch belongs in trigger pull.
Back to content.
Thank you once again for the favorite thread of the week.
Yes, flinch belongs in trigger pull.
Back to content.
Posted by: Chappyman66 at February 04, 2024 07:27 PM (L3byd)
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I guess I'll say what I was taught and always tried to pass on about motorcycles.
Ride your bike. If someone else likes something and can do something, that's awesome. Don't try to keep up with them if their ability or interest is beyond you, both on the road and in spending money. If yours is set up the way you like it and it allows confidence, stick with it until you find something you'd like to incorporate. If it doesn't work stop using it.
God bless America for people willing to try new stuff and give us choices.
Ride your bike. If someone else likes something and can do something, that's awesome. Don't try to keep up with them if their ability or interest is beyond you, both on the road and in spending money. If yours is set up the way you like it and it allows confidence, stick with it until you find something you'd like to incorporate. If it doesn't work stop using it.
God bless America for people willing to try new stuff and give us choices.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The RNC is the NRA of the GOP at February 04, 2024 07:27 PM (AIJ3L)
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Pillage Idiot. Worrisome spot for a Dad.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 04, 2024 07:27 PM (X9alN)
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One advantage of being an older shooter is I'm not in a hurry to blow off ammo. So taking my time for each shot let's me concentrate on technique, including avoiding flinching. (Another advantage of using traditional BP guns. They encourage a steady, methodical pace.)
I was pleased to see that even Weasel, with all his competition experience, has to remind himself about fundamentals. Makes me feel like I'm in good company.
I was pleased to see that even Weasel, with all his competition experience, has to remind himself about fundamentals. Makes me feel like I'm in good company.
Posted by: JTB at February 04, 2024 07:28 PM (zudum)
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Have not watched the videos but have always considered that if involved in a shooting, my initial comment would be that I fully intend to cooperate but only after contacting an attorney. This includes a call to USCCA insurance guy.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 04, 2024 07:28 PM (VVmVo)
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at February 04, 2024 07:28 PM (cqS+E)
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No range time again. The cough from RSV has decided it needs to spend more quality time with me.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 04, 2024 07:29 PM (tT6L1)
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The discussion about lights on guns is interesting. Primarily because they take at least 20 minutes to get to the answer Ayoob did in like 3: using an off-gun light to sweep/explore gives you options other than point-gun-at-everything.
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 07:29 PM (32nmx)
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If you have a question you would like to ask Gun Thread Staff offline, just send us a note and we'll do our best to answer.
Dear Gun Thread Staff,
I have been asking the Gun Thread Staff questions online, but the responses have been lacking. Is the Gun Thread Staff only available for offline consultations?
Would a liver treat sent through the USB port be salutory?
Dear Gun Thread Staff,
I have been asking the Gun Thread Staff questions online, but the responses have been lacking. Is the Gun Thread Staff only available for offline consultations?
Would a liver treat sent through the USB port be salutory?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 04, 2024 07:30 PM (a3Q+t)
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Speaking of dots on "pistols" I changed up one of our EP-9's. I discovered that you can get HK clone diopter sights for $20. They would not work with the red dot I had on a high riser so I brought it onto a low riser and cowitnesssed...almost. As it turned out, the front sight with the post elevated as far as it would go the sights are too low to work with the EP9. I am thinking these are made for an AR and the EP9 is too short for them to line up? Or maybe it's just cheap Chinese junk. Hard to say. But it looks cool. However, I have to say I like the dot on the low riser. We got it dialed in at the range today.
I'll have to try the diopter sight on an AR.
I'll have to try the diopter sight on an AR.
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 07:30 PM (IFNME)
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I wonder if they tried turning it off and turning it back on before all this upload business?
Actually, yes, they did. Several times.
Actually, yes, they did. Several times.
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 07:30 PM (32nmx)
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Just wait until Voyager gets updated by that alien entity!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 04, 2024 07:31 PM (63Dwl)
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Give yer gal a small caliber, like 22lr. Not the best of all options but with Uppercut, punch and Silvertip out of a decent model like the Smith Compact 22, it's a lot more impressive than chemicals and a stern look. The small caliber club gets more inviting the older one gets. I am 61 and change. My wife carries 22 or p32 with extended magazine every day. That's one of the few things keltec got right: the p32. And the sub2000 9mm. Love mine. Not germane to the subject. My apologies.
Posted by: Sandman arrivrth at February 04, 2024 07:31 PM (AHNZq)
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Good point about the gun being set up for a red dot. It is imperative that the pistol is designed for the red dot and have a good mounting system. Some of the adapters leave a lot to be desired!
Posted by: Nevada Dave at February 04, 2024 07:31 PM (JNp5p)
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I was pleased to see that even Weasel, with all his competition experience, has to remind himself about fundamentals. Makes me feel like I'm in good company.
Posted by: JTB at February 04, 2024 07:28 PM (zudum)
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Same in golf.
I approach the driving range with the same attitude as the shooting range. Have a plan. Take the clubs/guns you need, focus on specifics, and have fun too.
Posted by: JTB at February 04, 2024 07:28 PM (zudum)
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Same in golf.
I approach the driving range with the same attitude as the shooting range. Have a plan. Take the clubs/guns you need, focus on specifics, and have fun too.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 04, 2024 07:32 PM (VVmVo)
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Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 07:16 PM (32nmx)
And back then, E-1 pay was $21 per month. Today (2024), E-1 pay is now just over $2k per month.
And back then, E-1 pay was $21 per month. Today (2024), E-1 pay is now just over $2k per month.
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 07:32 PM (yRXSd)
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wonder if they tried turning it off and turning it back on before all this upload business?
Actually, yes, they did. Several times.
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 07:30 PM (32nmx)
They should just try unplugging it and then plugging it back in.
Actually, yes, they did. Several times.
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 07:30 PM (32nmx)
They should just try unplugging it and then plugging it back in.
Posted by: RI Red at February 04, 2024 07:32 PM (cGD0I)
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 04, 2024 07:32 PM (2yu8s)
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What format should questions to the gun thread be in?
"Dear Gun Thread Staff, I never thought this would happen to me.."
"Dear Gun Thread Staff, I never thought this would happen to me.."
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 04, 2024 07:33 PM (tT6L1)
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55 No range time again. The cough from RSV has decided it needs to spend more quality time with me.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 04, 2024 07:29 PM (tT6L1)
Oof - I had that crud in November. It took about a month to clear up finally.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 04, 2024 07:29 PM (tT6L1)
Oof - I had that crud in November. It took about a month to clear up finally.
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 07:33 PM (IFNME)
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I discovered that you can get HK clone diopter sights for $20
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You did me right with a cheapo red dot a year or so ago. Can you link to this? I'm thinking about building a 9mm AR and that would be fun to try.
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You did me right with a cheapo red dot a year or so ago. Can you link to this? I'm thinking about building a 9mm AR and that would be fun to try.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The RNC is the NRA of the GOP at February 04, 2024 07:33 PM (AIJ3L)
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No range time again. The cough from RSV has decided it needs to spend more quality time with me.
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Oof - I had that crud in November. It took about a month to clear up finally.
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If it's anything like what we've experienced there will still be a random cough two and three months later.
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Oof - I had that crud in November. It took about a month to clear up finally.
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If it's anything like what we've experienced there will still be a random cough two and three months later.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The RNC is the NRA of the GOP at February 04, 2024 07:34 PM (AIJ3L)
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What works for me. Target acquisition, point and shoot. Don't over think it.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 04, 2024 07:34 PM (X9alN)
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but when shooting at something edible
Posted by: Thomas Paine at February 04, 2024 07:05 PM (lTGtQ)
Big question: do you ever take a second shoot when shooting at edible things?
Because the flinch is most noticeable (for anyone not very noob) on the follow-up shots, unless you're doing speed drills, I think. The first shot everyone focuses and concentrates on that "surprise" of the round going off. But, then they want to get that second shot downrange and (unless they slow down enough to make the second shot another first shot) instinct takes over.
Of course, the other way to cure that "second round" flinch is to go full-auto. Just remember to hold that trigger down.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at February 04, 2024 07:05 PM (lTGtQ)
Big question: do you ever take a second shoot when shooting at edible things?
Because the flinch is most noticeable (for anyone not very noob) on the follow-up shots, unless you're doing speed drills, I think. The first shot everyone focuses and concentrates on that "surprise" of the round going off. But, then they want to get that second shot downrange and (unless they slow down enough to make the second shot another first shot) instinct takes over.
Of course, the other way to cure that "second round" flinch is to go full-auto. Just remember to hold that trigger down.
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 07:34 PM (32nmx)
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Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 07:35 PM (IFNME)
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Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 07:30 PM (IFNME)
Blaster, there are risers that have gaps in the middle to allow you to use irons if your RDS won't co-witness or if you still want your irons around as a backup. Many are specific to particular firearms, so be careful about what you choose.
Blaster, there are risers that have gaps in the middle to allow you to use irons if your RDS won't co-witness or if you still want your irons around as a backup. Many are specific to particular firearms, so be careful about what you choose.
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 07:36 PM (yRXSd)
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No range time this weekend, it was live fire exercise, and a couple dozen tasty quail were on the menu immediately afterward. Weasel, I left you an email.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at February 04, 2024 07:36 PM (lTGtQ)
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Ed L, will you adopt me?
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 04, 2024 07:13 PM (PWe8a)
Get in line, man.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 04, 2024 07:13 PM (PWe8a)
Get in line, man.
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 07:36 PM (32nmx)
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51 Pillage Idiot. Worrisome spot for a Dad.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 04, 2024 07:27 PM
I know, and more stress is just what I need.
I would go firearm if she was "Spawn of lin-duh", but she is at least one notch less careful and disciplined.
(Not trying to talk down my own daughter, just trying to get the best recommendations to match the situation.)
Posted by: Ben Had at February 04, 2024 07:27 PM
I know, and more stress is just what I need.
I would go firearm if she was "Spawn of lin-duh", but she is at least one notch less careful and disciplined.
(Not trying to talk down my own daughter, just trying to get the best recommendations to match the situation.)
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 04, 2024 07:37 PM (HlyYF)
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i see a lot of people asking Ed L if he will adopt but none are offering suitable bribes......
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 04, 2024 07:37 PM (tT6L1)
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After our trip down to Sig in southern NH about a month ago, Jr. bought a Sig Romeo red dot and Juliet magnifier for his M-Forgery. On Friday I took an “out of office meeting” and we zeroed it. A touch high at 100 and on at 200 and 300. He was ringing the bell - paddles on the dueling tree at 300.
Proud papa.
Proud papa.
Posted by: RI Red at February 04, 2024 07:38 PM (cGD0I)
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You did me right with a cheapo red dot a year or so ago. Can you link to this? I'm thinking about building a 9mm AR and that would be fun to try.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The RNC is the NRA of the GOP at February 04, 2024 07:33 PM (AIJ3L)
Unfortunately the Gaialoop red dots are no longer a thing. Glad you were able to get one when they were available!
Amazon has the diopter sights for $31.99
https://a.co/d/9L7J9BA
They are available on eBay for even less - I paid $20.64 with tax. This was the title of the item:
Tactical Metal Low Profile Front & Rear Sight Set For Picatinny Diopter Scope
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The RNC is the NRA of the GOP at February 04, 2024 07:33 PM (AIJ3L)
Unfortunately the Gaialoop red dots are no longer a thing. Glad you were able to get one when they were available!
Amazon has the diopter sights for $31.99
https://a.co/d/9L7J9BA
They are available on eBay for even less - I paid $20.64 with tax. This was the title of the item:
Tactical Metal Low Profile Front & Rear Sight Set For Picatinny Diopter Scope
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 07:39 PM (IFNME)
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Big question: do you ever take a second shoot when shooting at edible things?
Because the flinch is most noticeable (for anyone not very noob) on the follow-up shots, unless you're doing speed drills, I think.
Posted by: GWB
My second shots were better than the first at the beginning, but after 10-15 minutes, once I got into the groove, I never needed the second shot.
Because the flinch is most noticeable (for anyone not very noob) on the follow-up shots, unless you're doing speed drills, I think.
Posted by: GWB
My second shots were better than the first at the beginning, but after 10-15 minutes, once I got into the groove, I never needed the second shot.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at February 04, 2024 07:40 PM (lTGtQ)
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That's one of the few things keltec got right: the p32. And the sub2000 9mm. Love mine. Not germane to the subject. My apologies.
Posted by: Sandman arrivrth at February 04, 2024 07:31 PM
Thanks Sandman, all advice and personal experience is welcome.
I actually got a p32 for my wife a long time ago.
None of us shoot it well. (Not a family of great shooters.) The trigger pull seems very long on our pistol. The long "squeeze" seems to pull us off target.
That gun is awesome on concealability though!
Posted by: Sandman arrivrth at February 04, 2024 07:31 PM
Thanks Sandman, all advice and personal experience is welcome.
I actually got a p32 for my wife a long time ago.
None of us shoot it well. (Not a family of great shooters.) The trigger pull seems very long on our pistol. The long "squeeze" seems to pull us off target.
That gun is awesome on concealability though!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 04, 2024 07:41 PM (HlyYF)
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29 year old eyes trying to shoot an old 1911 in low light.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The RNC is the NRA of the GOP at February 04, 2024 07:23 PM (AIJ3L)
Amen to that. I've got the fiber optic sights sitting here to put on my carry gun. It made a big difference when I got the full-size 1911 and it had the fiber optic sights. "Hey, there's a sight up there!" in the dim range lighting.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The RNC is the NRA of the GOP at February 04, 2024 07:23 PM (AIJ3L)
Amen to that. I've got the fiber optic sights sitting here to put on my carry gun. It made a big difference when I got the full-size 1911 and it had the fiber optic sights. "Hey, there's a sight up there!" in the dim range lighting.
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 07:42 PM (32nmx)
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Nice 1911 Ed L!
I like that Bald Man's drill but I think he was going a little slow to show how it's done. Try to go as fast as you can while staying safe!
Took the BM-59 out to distance and rapid fire drills this week, haven't shot her much since I got her a few years ago. Sweet rifle, runs great and very accurate out to 600 yards from the bench and off hand rapid fire out to 125 yards simulating moving to contact she was easy to hit with with those nice Garand sights. Gonna shoot her all month and get more in tune with her nuances. Need to get her a bayonet though, no have.
I like that Bald Man's drill but I think he was going a little slow to show how it's done. Try to go as fast as you can while staying safe!
Took the BM-59 out to distance and rapid fire drills this week, haven't shot her much since I got her a few years ago. Sweet rifle, runs great and very accurate out to 600 yards from the bench and off hand rapid fire out to 125 yards simulating moving to contact she was easy to hit with with those nice Garand sights. Gonna shoot her all month and get more in tune with her nuances. Need to get her a bayonet though, no have.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 04, 2024 07:42 PM (R/m4+)
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They should just send Lt. Ilia up to fix V'ger.
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at February 04, 2024 07:24 PM (XMwZJ)
You mean Lt Bill-ia in today's NASA, right?
Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at February 04, 2024 07:24 PM (XMwZJ)
You mean Lt Bill-ia in today's NASA, right?
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 07:43 PM (32nmx)
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Blaster, there are risers that have gaps in the middle to allow you to use irons if your RDS won't co-witness or if you still want your irons around as a backup. Many are specific to particular firearms, so be careful about what you choose.
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 07:36 PM (yRXSd)
Ed yes the high riser I had has an opening but it just so happened that it blocked the sights that's why I moved to the low rise. You could sight through the red dot even if it was off - unfortunately the issue is that the front sight is not tall enough. I may look for an AR height sight that has the diopter front sight configuration.
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 07:36 PM (yRXSd)
Ed yes the high riser I had has an opening but it just so happened that it blocked the sights that's why I moved to the low rise. You could sight through the red dot even if it was off - unfortunately the issue is that the front sight is not tall enough. I may look for an AR height sight that has the diopter front sight configuration.
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 07:43 PM (IFNME)
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78 i see a lot of people asking Ed L if he will adopt but none are offering suitable bribes......
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 04, 2024 07:37 PM (tT6L1)
I am certain I have a firearm Ed L desperately wants but does not have, for my bribe! Well, I probably have such a gun. OK, I might have such a gun. Shucks, I seriously doubt I have such a gun.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 04, 2024 07:37 PM (tT6L1)
I am certain I have a firearm Ed L desperately wants but does not have, for my bribe! Well, I probably have such a gun. OK, I might have such a gun. Shucks, I seriously doubt I have such a gun.
Posted by: Gref at February 04, 2024 07:43 PM (5fDan)
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Tactical Metal Low Profile Front & Rear Sight Set For Picatinny Diopter Scope
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With respect, blaster, I think this one a much better choice.
http://tinyurl.com/d9zy8bs2
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With respect, blaster, I think this one a much better choice.
http://tinyurl.com/d9zy8bs2
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 04, 2024 07:44 PM (2yu8s)
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Tactical Metal Low Profile Front & Rear Sight Set For Picatinny Diopter Scope
Posted by: blaster
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Thanks blaster.
Posted by: blaster
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Thanks blaster.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The RNC is the NRA of the GOP at February 04, 2024 07:44 PM (AIJ3L)
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Gotta run for dinner.
I will come back and read all comments.
(I also have old eyes over my iron pistol sights, so am following those comments.)
Thanks Weasel! (In case I get back after the close of "business".)
I will come back and read all comments.
(I also have old eyes over my iron pistol sights, so am following those comments.)
Thanks Weasel! (In case I get back after the close of "business".)
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 04, 2024 07:45 PM (HlyYF)
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>>>Of course, the other way to cure that "second round" flinch is to go full-auto. Just remember to hold that trigger down.
Posted by: GWB
>Most often the second shot requires a pursuit of some distance, sneaky bastards that they are. After the first round you most likely will need to track the prey thru thick and thin. Naturally, the goal is to drop the beast and celebrate the spoils of a successful hunt with a flagon of barley wine and a song.
Posted by: GWB
>Most often the second shot requires a pursuit of some distance, sneaky bastards that they are. After the first round you most likely will need to track the prey thru thick and thin. Naturally, the goal is to drop the beast and celebrate the spoils of a successful hunt with a flagon of barley wine and a song.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at February 04, 2024 07:45 PM (EEgXH)
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Not germane to the subject. My apologies.
Posted by: Sandman arrivrth at February 04, 2024 07:31 PM (AHNZq)
Pfft. Totally germane. And welcome back.
Posted by: Sandman arrivrth at February 04, 2024 07:31 PM (AHNZq)
Pfft. Totally germane. And welcome back.
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 07:46 PM (32nmx)
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My second shots were better than the first at the beginning, but after 10-15 minutes, once I got into the groove, I never needed the second shot.
Posted by: Thomas Paine
To further expand, quail tend to explode in front of you and dart a bit before deciding on their escape route. It is not hard to miss while they are meandering, and once they pick a direction they are probably an easier shot. If you exhibit some patience, you only need one shot.
Posted by: Thomas Paine
To further expand, quail tend to explode in front of you and dart a bit before deciding on their escape route. It is not hard to miss while they are meandering, and once they pick a direction they are probably an easier shot. If you exhibit some patience, you only need one shot.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at February 04, 2024 07:46 PM (lTGtQ)
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& in answer to the Question of the Week: nope, as far as pistols go, iron sights all the way. the SIG P290 I bought a few years ago had the factory laser on it, that was one of the reasons I bought it, but after a year or so I removed it ... I was wasting a lot of milliseconds on turning it on and I didn't like that one bit.
regulars here know that my pistol practice is all about fast draw & fire to center body mass at +/- 23 feet ( a bit over Tueller drill) range. I can get a shot on target under those conditions, and that's really all I'm looking for; I rarely even use the iron sights for this.
once in a while I will expend a few rounds on notionally shooting a squirrel or bunny with a j-frame or .22 mini for survival purposes, but rly that's about all the bullseye-type shooting I ever do. & not casting any shade on people who do go for mor accuracy at longer ranges, just my own low expectations at this point in time. which are kind of that if it all works out in the way of the worst-case scenario I am not going into that good night alone, thankyouverymuch.
regulars here know that my pistol practice is all about fast draw & fire to center body mass at +/- 23 feet ( a bit over Tueller drill) range. I can get a shot on target under those conditions, and that's really all I'm looking for; I rarely even use the iron sights for this.
once in a while I will expend a few rounds on notionally shooting a squirrel or bunny with a j-frame or .22 mini for survival purposes, but rly that's about all the bullseye-type shooting I ever do. & not casting any shade on people who do go for mor accuracy at longer ranges, just my own low expectations at this point in time. which are kind of that if it all works out in the way of the worst-case scenario I am not going into that good night alone, thankyouverymuch.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at February 04, 2024 07:46 PM (QwWES)
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We are working to make the IDPA range at the MoMe even better.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 04, 2024 07:22 PM
I'll alert the RMBS Mom. Training will commence when this white crap on the ground disappears.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 04, 2024 07:22 PM
I'll alert the RMBS Mom. Training will commence when this white crap on the ground disappears.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 04, 2024 07:47 PM (Wnv9h)
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Posted by: Moron Robbie - The RNC is the NRA of the GOP at February 04, 2024 07:23 PM (AIJ3L)
Keep in mind that the military didn't train to use the sights in CQB like we do today, especially in WWII. Instead, they used point shooting techniques originally taught by the likes of William Fairbairn to the Shanghai Municipal Police, or Jelly Bryce or Walter Walsh to the FBI. Point shooting remained the norm for pistol shooting until the early 1960s. The original users of the 1911 would probably wonder what we're complaining about w/ the crappy sights on vintage 1911s and say, "Well, sonny, we didn't really need them" or something like that.
Keep in mind that the military didn't train to use the sights in CQB like we do today, especially in WWII. Instead, they used point shooting techniques originally taught by the likes of William Fairbairn to the Shanghai Municipal Police, or Jelly Bryce or Walter Walsh to the FBI. Point shooting remained the norm for pistol shooting until the early 1960s. The original users of the 1911 would probably wonder what we're complaining about w/ the crappy sights on vintage 1911s and say, "Well, sonny, we didn't really need them" or something like that.
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 07:47 PM (yRXSd)
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64 Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 07:16 PM (32nmx)
And back then, E-1 pay was $21 per month. Today (2024), E-1 pay is now just over $2k per month.
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 07:32 PM
Base pay for a Chief with 24 today is over $5500 nearabouts. That leaves VHA, BAQ, and SDA for gub purposes.
And back then, E-1 pay was $21 per month. Today (2024), E-1 pay is now just over $2k per month.
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 07:32 PM
Base pay for a Chief with 24 today is over $5500 nearabouts. That leaves VHA, BAQ, and SDA for gub purposes.
Posted by: Eromero at February 04, 2024 07:48 PM (NxC5+)
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Dear Gun Thread staff - I keep sending you content and it keeps not appearing - no rejection notice or anything! Any editorial suggestions for improvement?
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 07:35 PM (IFNME)
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For the last three months I have been lucky to put up anything at all. Hopefully when work settles down I can get caught up. Thanks for your patience.
Dear Gun Thread staff - I keep sending you content and it keeps not appearing - no rejection notice or anything! Any editorial suggestions for improvement?
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 07:35 PM (IFNME)
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For the last three months I have been lucky to put up anything at all. Hopefully when work settles down I can get caught up. Thanks for your patience.
Posted by: Weasel at February 04, 2024 07:48 PM (JwHpX)
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The original users of the 1911 would probably wonder what we're complaining about w/ the crappy sights on vintage 1911s and say, "Well, sonny, we didn't really need them" or something like that.
Posted by: Ed L
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Yeah, I have tried to develop some basic point of aim fundamentals for that reason. I don't always understand why some things evolve the way they do.
Posted by: Ed L
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Yeah, I have tried to develop some basic point of aim fundamentals for that reason. I don't always understand why some things evolve the way they do.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The RNC is the NRA of the GOP at February 04, 2024 07:50 PM (AIJ3L)
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For the last three months I have been lucky to put up anything at all. Hopefully when work settles down I can get caught up. Thanks for your patience.
Posted by: Weasel at February 04, 2024 07:48 PM
Weasel, we love you, and would trust you with our lives to solve any problem in the first three shots!
Posted by: Weasel at February 04, 2024 07:48 PM
Weasel, we love you, and would trust you with our lives to solve any problem in the first three shots!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 04, 2024 07:50 PM (a3Q+t)
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I'm here! After sitting in stopped traffic I have finally made it home.
Great day at the range today although short a few members and having to wait and wait and wait to get a couple of lanes. Range has avery nice waiting area for members. Did not realize what a benefit this was until we had to wait an hour for a lane.
i cleaned the Glock and guess what? It was perfect! No jams and I shot really well with it. Rented a SigP229 continuing my research as they did not have the P226 model I wanted to try. It was okay and I shot well with it, but not as well as the Glock. Starting to think I should stick with what works.
And I cleaned the Glock! Did I mention that already?
Great day at the range today although short a few members and having to wait and wait and wait to get a couple of lanes. Range has avery nice waiting area for members. Did not realize what a benefit this was until we had to wait an hour for a lane.
i cleaned the Glock and guess what? It was perfect! No jams and I shot really well with it. Rented a SigP229 continuing my research as they did not have the P226 model I wanted to try. It was okay and I shot well with it, but not as well as the Glock. Starting to think I should stick with what works.
And I cleaned the Glock! Did I mention that already?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 04, 2024 07:52 PM (t/2Uw)
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Well, the wrong sized Pic rail is back with the good folks at Ken Farrell, with all of the pertinent measurements I could give them. Hopefully they can match up the right rail for my baby and I can get that new scope mounted and zeroed. I hate waiting.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 04, 2024 07:52 PM (Wnv9h)
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just trying to get the best recommendations to match the situation.)
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 04, 2024 07:37 PM (HlyYF)
Pillage, the problem I have with the pepper ball guns is that you're still talking a gun - that is, you have to aim it and get the round to hit the target. Unlike spray, it isn't an area weapon along the whole distance, only once it's hit something and burst.
So, it's probably a placebo if there's no range time (and they do sell practice balls for it) and discipline to be accurate. The idea that you can just give this to a homeowner that's scared of guns and they're suddenly protected is very wrong, IMO.
So, even with the pepper ball gun, the answer becomes "Be capable of defending yourself. And know how you need to react to survive."
I might go with a .22 revolver, particularly a Magnum or WMR(?). And spend the time with her making her comfortable and safe with it. Or do the same with the pepper ball gun.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 04, 2024 07:37 PM (HlyYF)
Pillage, the problem I have with the pepper ball guns is that you're still talking a gun - that is, you have to aim it and get the round to hit the target. Unlike spray, it isn't an area weapon along the whole distance, only once it's hit something and burst.
So, it's probably a placebo if there's no range time (and they do sell practice balls for it) and discipline to be accurate. The idea that you can just give this to a homeowner that's scared of guns and they're suddenly protected is very wrong, IMO.
So, even with the pepper ball gun, the answer becomes "Be capable of defending yourself. And know how you need to react to survive."
I might go with a .22 revolver, particularly a Magnum or WMR(?). And spend the time with her making her comfortable and safe with it. Or do the same with the pepper ball gun.
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 07:52 PM (32nmx)
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Congratulations, Sharon!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 04, 2024 07:53 PM (tT6L1)
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Local department store has 9mm 115 gr. FMJ on sale. I bought some, and violated the 2nd Law of Ammo. The first Law is, of course, Buy ammo. The 2nd Law is Never buy ammo made in a country where you can't drink the tap water.
This stuff is made in Turkey and is at least brass-cased.
I bought 1000 rounds. I'll test a box and see if it's any good. If I don't like it, I'll set the rest of it aside. Perhaps when the Burning Times come I'll be able to trade for something useful.
This stuff is made in Turkey and is at least brass-cased.
I bought 1000 rounds. I'll test a box and see if it's any good. If I don't like it, I'll set the rest of it aside. Perhaps when the Burning Times come I'll be able to trade for something useful.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at February 04, 2024 07:53 PM (ln6cw)
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The alternate last frame in that cartoon is the wife asking "Did you buy one for me in the same caliber?"
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at February 04, 2024 07:54 PM (hOUT3)
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Stinky's Daddy (I didn't pick his nic!) brought a new gun - S&W M&P M2.0 Metal Spec Series. (Twice the ampersands!)
23 round mags, compensator, tall sights, green finish.
Looks like a Flash Gordon gun.
Shot like a laser, too.
This gun is not outrageously priced - on gunbroker they are about $1000 +/-.
23 round mags, compensator, tall sights, green finish.
Looks like a Flash Gordon gun.
Shot like a laser, too.
This gun is not outrageously priced - on gunbroker they are about $1000 +/-.
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 07:54 PM (IFNME)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at February 04, 2024 07:54 PM (tT6L1)
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The original users of the 1911 would probably wonder what we're complaining about w/ the crappy sights on vintage 1911s and say, "Well, sonny, we didn't really need them" or something like that.
Posted by: Ed L
"Aim?! The ****ers were right on top of us!!"
-- Cranky old men at the American Legion
Posted by: Ed L
"Aim?! The ****ers were right on top of us!!"
-- Cranky old men at the American Legion
Posted by: Tonypete at February 04, 2024 07:54 PM (SAX5G)
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42 Also, my CMP 1911 is waiting for me at my local FFL but I won't be able to pick it up until Tuesday. No idea what I'm getting.
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There's not a lot that will make you appreciate modern sights more than 29 year old eyes trying to shoot an old 1911 in low light.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The RNC is the NRA of the GOP at February 04, 2024 07:23 PM (AIJ3L)
Yeah. I bought a Rock Island USGI-type 1911 quite a while back. Now that I have a CMP 1911, I think I will have better sights installed on the Rock Island. I can use the CMP 1911 to remind myself and show others the USGI stock sights.
(My CMP 1911 is a late 1943 Remington frame, Colt slide, and a 1990-marked barrel.)
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There's not a lot that will make you appreciate modern sights more than 29 year old eyes trying to shoot an old 1911 in low light.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The RNC is the NRA of the GOP at February 04, 2024 07:23 PM (AIJ3L)
Yeah. I bought a Rock Island USGI-type 1911 quite a while back. Now that I have a CMP 1911, I think I will have better sights installed on the Rock Island. I can use the CMP 1911 to remind myself and show others the USGI stock sights.
(My CMP 1911 is a late 1943 Remington frame, Colt slide, and a 1990-marked barrel.)
Posted by: Gref at February 04, 2024 07:55 PM (5fDan)
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Pillage, the problem I have with the pepper ball guns is that you're still talking a gun - that is, you have to aim it and get the round to hit the target.
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My only hang up is that if someone is worth shooting...
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My only hang up is that if someone is worth shooting...
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The RNC is the NRA of the GOP at February 04, 2024 07:57 PM (AIJ3L)
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Went to the Chantilly gun show on Friday and Saturday. Friday was a bit slow, but Saturday was packed. For Colt Python fans, Trader Jerry had one of the new blued finish Pythons (sold within the first hour after the show opened on Friday) and a 5" barreled Python. The barrel looks different because the vent pattern has to be change somewhat to accommodate the new length. But it did feel good in the hand when I picked it up.
If you hadn't heard the news from the 2024 SHOT Show, B&T will introduce its version of a "Hush Puppy" pistol this year. Using a Glock 19 chassis, it's outfitted with a co-witnessed Aimpoint Accro red dot sight embedded integrally into the slide and a small compact wipe suppressor up front. It also includes a slide lock so you can lock the slide up so it doesn't move when you fire the pistol. This recalls the S&W Mark 22 Mod 0 pistol used by the SEALS in Vietnam. But be prepared to pay dearly; nothing from B&T is cheap.
If you hadn't heard the news from the 2024 SHOT Show, B&T will introduce its version of a "Hush Puppy" pistol this year. Using a Glock 19 chassis, it's outfitted with a co-witnessed Aimpoint Accro red dot sight embedded integrally into the slide and a small compact wipe suppressor up front. It also includes a slide lock so you can lock the slide up so it doesn't move when you fire the pistol. This recalls the S&W Mark 22 Mod 0 pistol used by the SEALS in Vietnam. But be prepared to pay dearly; nothing from B&T is cheap.
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 07:59 PM (yRXSd)
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Ed L - yeah, Fairbairn.
his thing of draw and then extend the pistol as if you were going to poke the target with it seems to tap into very basic spinal / muscle memory firmware that works pretty well for me at "shooting affray" ranges.
his thing of draw and then extend the pistol as if you were going to poke the target with it seems to tap into very basic spinal / muscle memory firmware that works pretty well for me at "shooting affray" ranges.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at February 04, 2024 08:01 PM (QwWES)
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Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 07:47 PM (yRXSd)
As a matter of fact, I sent Weasel a link to a video of a couple of guys (present time) trying out the 1911 point shoot techniques in that WWII training film. They did pretty well. I'm going to be able to get some range time next week and will unlimber the GI .45 and see how well I can do. Should be fun.
As a matter of fact, I sent Weasel a link to a video of a couple of guys (present time) trying out the 1911 point shoot techniques in that WWII training film. They did pretty well. I'm going to be able to get some range time next week and will unlimber the GI .45 and see how well I can do. Should be fun.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 04, 2024 08:02 PM (PWe8a)
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S&W M&P M2.0 Metal Spec Series. (Twice the ampersands!)
23 round mags, compensator, tall sights, green finish.
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Last week I was asking about the S&W FPC 9MM.
One of the stores here [that was out of stock of it] had a video where a pretty woman was testing one right out of the box. She said the magazine-release for the butt-stored mags was awkward to use [the left-side switch releases the right-side mag; and the right-side switch releases the left-side one].
Is it like that for this S&W M&P M2.0 one too?
23 round mags, compensator, tall sights, green finish.
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Last week I was asking about the S&W FPC 9MM.
One of the stores here [that was out of stock of it] had a video where a pretty woman was testing one right out of the box. She said the magazine-release for the butt-stored mags was awkward to use [the left-side switch releases the right-side mag; and the right-side switch releases the left-side one].
Is it like that for this S&W M&P M2.0 one too?
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 04, 2024 08:02 PM (2yu8s)
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Oh, darn!
I see from DDG that the S&W M&P M2.0 Metal Spec Series is a pistol and not a carbine or rifle.
Forgive my #115 stupidity.
I see from DDG that the S&W M&P M2.0 Metal Spec Series is a pistol and not a carbine or rifle.
Forgive my #115 stupidity.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 04, 2024 08:04 PM (2yu8s)
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A term I don't see much these days when discussing fundamentals is: follow through. For shotgunning it means continuing the swing through the target. For black powder shooting it means maintaining a steady hold on the target even after the gun fires. The slower ignition calls for a longer hold compared to modern guns. It's also a safety factor in case of a hang fire. I know my trap shooting and target work improved a lot once I included that aspect into my range sessions.
Diogenes mentioning golf brought that to mind.
Diogenes mentioning golf brought that to mind.
Posted by: JTB at February 04, 2024 08:05 PM (zudum)
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Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at February 04, 2024 07:53 PM (ln6cw)
I think you should test it in everything you have that takes 9mm. Better to know what will take it now rather than waiting for SHTF.
I have shot Turkish ammo for my Benelli M4 and H&K SP5. Both worked fine except for one misfeed due to a dented round of 12 gauge I had.
I think you should test it in everything you have that takes 9mm. Better to know what will take it now rather than waiting for SHTF.
I have shot Turkish ammo for my Benelli M4 and H&K SP5. Both worked fine except for one misfeed due to a dented round of 12 gauge I had.
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 08:06 PM (yRXSd)
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A laser designator and a red dot sight are two different things. I’m talking about red dot sights. I get the whole point and shoot and it has its place but at any distance further than a few feet in public I’m going to place my sight on my target.
Posted by: Nevada Dave at February 04, 2024 08:07 PM (JNp5p)
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Hmm - looks like I can half inch 3 tooth pic rail risers for $10. That might be the way to go.
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 08:07 PM (IFNME)
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I did get to the range yesterday and today. (It probably helped that I made a feast yesterday when Mrs. R was working).
For the first time ever, my Ruger Precision Rimfire outshot my Christiansen Ranger. Made some tiny groups. Yes, I sent pix to the boss today. Hey, boss!
For the first time ever, my Ruger Precision Rimfire outshot my Christiansen Ranger. Made some tiny groups. Yes, I sent pix to the boss today. Hey, boss!
Posted by: RI Red at February 04, 2024 08:09 PM (cGD0I)
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BTW, the Spec Series comes with a cool hard-case and a knife and grip adjusters just like the S&W FPC 9MM carbine comes with extra goodies as well as a case too.
http://tinyurl.com/4fmhddyy
http://tinyurl.com/4fmhddyy
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 04, 2024 08:09 PM (2yu8s)
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I can get a shot on target under those conditions, and that's really all I'm looking for; I rarely even use the iron sights for this.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at February 04, 2024 07:46 PM (QwWES)
Years ago I saw a US Army training film called "Snap Shooting" whereby the troops were instructed on reacting to the enemy in the Pacific jungle by pointing the weapon in the enemies direction and opening fire with no proper aiming other than that and using your body in a low crouch position while moving. Can't find it anywhere on YouBoob or the InterBoob though.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at February 04, 2024 07:46 PM (QwWES)
Years ago I saw a US Army training film called "Snap Shooting" whereby the troops were instructed on reacting to the enemy in the Pacific jungle by pointing the weapon in the enemies direction and opening fire with no proper aiming other than that and using your body in a low crouch position while moving. Can't find it anywhere on YouBoob or the InterBoob though.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 04, 2024 08:10 PM (R/m4+)
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Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 04, 2024 07:52 PM (t/2Uw)
SIG P229 would work better as a carry gun, I think. I got to carry an M11 (SIG P228/P229) during my time in Afghanistan. The M11 carries nicely (better than the Beretta M9), but I can't say I know how it shoots. I'd expect to be snappier than the P226 due to the lesser weight and shorter barrel.
SIG P229 would work better as a carry gun, I think. I got to carry an M11 (SIG P228/P229) during my time in Afghanistan. The M11 carries nicely (better than the Beretta M9), but I can't say I know how it shoots. I'd expect to be snappier than the P226 due to the lesser weight and shorter barrel.
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 08:10 PM (yRXSd)
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yeah, Tonypete, the Korea vet teacher I had in 5th grade, who one afternoon told us a mildly graphic tale of shooting someone with a .45 could have said that.
did that have anything to do with the first pistol I bought after my 21st being a .45? well, at this distance, who knows?
btw, Tonypete, your peanut butter cookies from the horde cookbook were a hit again at Christmas! handed out 300+ of them, dozen or 18 at a time, mostly to local Amish families, also library patrons and neighbors.
*fistbump!*
Deplorable Gourmet rules!
did that have anything to do with the first pistol I bought after my 21st being a .45? well, at this distance, who knows?
btw, Tonypete, your peanut butter cookies from the horde cookbook were a hit again at Christmas! handed out 300+ of them, dozen or 18 at a time, mostly to local Amish families, also library patrons and neighbors.
*fistbump!*
Deplorable Gourmet rules!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at February 04, 2024 08:10 PM (QwWES)
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Hey guys not to put a damper on the thread, but sra blaster was not at our range day today because she was down in Florida helping with her mom.
Yesterday she (my MiL) had tested positive for Covid, and today she is hospitalized with pneumonia, sepsis, and renal failure...along with the Covid. Doctors give her 50/50 chance right now.
Horde prayer is powerful, so if you wouldn't mind, pray for peace for sra blaster and her family.
Yesterday she (my MiL) had tested positive for Covid, and today she is hospitalized with pneumonia, sepsis, and renal failure...along with the Covid. Doctors give her 50/50 chance right now.
Horde prayer is powerful, so if you wouldn't mind, pray for peace for sra blaster and her family.
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 08:11 PM (IFNME)
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at February 04, 2024 08:11 PM (hOUT3)
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1911s were for 20 yards and under, who needs sights?
Posted by: Skip at February 04, 2024 08:12 PM (fwDg9)
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Hi weasel! Thank you for the thread.
I had another opportunity to avoid a hassle last night. Got to the grocery store after Mass and there was a group of younger folks blocking the parking lot, playing LOUD music, drinking and smoking.
Nah, brah. I can grocery shop in the morning.
Pillage, your daughter needs to AVPID putting herself in potentially dangerous situations. Walking her dog alone in a wooded area is NOT SMART. Unless her dog is trained to viciously attack anyone who speaks to her uninvited.
Bring her to TX. I'll put some sense into her.
I had another opportunity to avoid a hassle last night. Got to the grocery store after Mass and there was a group of younger folks blocking the parking lot, playing LOUD music, drinking and smoking.
Nah, brah. I can grocery shop in the morning.
Pillage, your daughter needs to AVPID putting herself in potentially dangerous situations. Walking her dog alone in a wooded area is NOT SMART. Unless her dog is trained to viciously attack anyone who speaks to her uninvited.
Bring her to TX. I'll put some sense into her.
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 04, 2024 08:13 PM (HU4DS)
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122 BTW, the Spec Series comes with a cool hard-case and a knife and grip adjusters just like the S&W FPC 9MM carbine comes with extra goodies as well as a case too.
http://tinyurl.com/4fmhddyy
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 04, 2024 08:09 PM (2yu8s)
I think S&W are getting into the game like Sig with the Legion series - there is a "Challenge Coin," too.
Soon, the challenge coin wars begin.
http://tinyurl.com/4fmhddyy
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 04, 2024 08:09 PM (2yu8s)
I think S&W are getting into the game like Sig with the Legion series - there is a "Challenge Coin," too.
Soon, the challenge coin wars begin.
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 08:13 PM (IFNME)
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Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at February 04, 2024 07:53 PM (ln6cw)
I think you should test it in everything you have that takes 9mm. Better to know what will take it now rather than waiting for SHTF.
I have shot Turkish ammo for my Benelli M4 and H&K SP5. Both worked fine except for one misfeed due to a dented round of 12 gauge I had.
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 08:06 PM
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This.
Yeah, don't drink the water in Turkey, but they have an impressive armaments industry. You can even find some first class metallurgy in even remote villages. I doubt you'll have many problems.
I think you should test it in everything you have that takes 9mm. Better to know what will take it now rather than waiting for SHTF.
I have shot Turkish ammo for my Benelli M4 and H&K SP5. Both worked fine except for one misfeed due to a dented round of 12 gauge I had.
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 08:06 PM
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This.
Yeah, don't drink the water in Turkey, but they have an impressive armaments industry. You can even find some first class metallurgy in even remote villages. I doubt you'll have many problems.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 04, 2024 08:13 PM (W/lyH)
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There is a noticeable difference in my accuracy when shooting my full framed CZ 75 and my S&W M&P Shield. With the CZ, all is well.
Of all things, I'm shooting high and left with the Shield. I guess I'm pushing it.
Of all things, I'm shooting high and left with the Shield. I guess I'm pushing it.
Posted by: Tonypete at February 04, 2024 08:14 PM (SAX5G)
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Hello weasel and benhad and pillage idiot and everyone else!
Posted by: Rancherbob at February 04, 2024 08:15 PM (21WHr)
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blaster, prayers ascending.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 04, 2024 08:15 PM (X9alN)
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The Night They Shot Old Nando Down!
German police shoot aggressive ’emu’
Nando – free spirited illegal alien
Police in the German state of Thuringia say they shot a flightless bird after it became aggressive. Initially identified as an Australian emu, the bird appears to have been a South American wild rhea.
… The German wild population is descended from a few breeding pairs that escaped from an exotic meat farm near Lübeck, a city in northern Germany, in the late 1990s and early 2000s.
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Now she's gone, oh rhea!
German police shoot aggressive ’emu’
Nando – free spirited illegal alien
Police in the German state of Thuringia say they shot a flightless bird after it became aggressive. Initially identified as an Australian emu, the bird appears to have been a South American wild rhea.
… The German wild population is descended from a few breeding pairs that escaped from an exotic meat farm near Lübeck, a city in northern Germany, in the late 1990s and early 2000s.
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Now she's gone, oh rhea!
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 04, 2024 08:15 PM (2yu8s)
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127 https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/2022-spec-series
bad link for me?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at February 04, 2024 08:11 PM (hOUT3)
Hrothgar try dis:
http://tinyurl.com/yvuf9d5w
bad link for me?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at February 04, 2024 08:11 PM (hOUT3)
Hrothgar try dis:
http://tinyurl.com/yvuf9d5w
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 08:15 PM (IFNME)
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Deplorable Gourmet rules!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez
So glad you enjoy them. My kids lose their minds over them.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez
So glad you enjoy them. My kids lose their minds over them.
Posted by: Tonypete at February 04, 2024 08:15 PM (SAX5G)
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on the way, blaster!
and ongoing as well.
horde prayer worked for me years ago, thank you, every one!
and ongoing as well.
horde prayer worked for me years ago, thank you, every one!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at February 04, 2024 08:16 PM (QwWES)
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Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at February 04, 2024 08:01 PM (QwWES)
And keep in mind that the Fairbairn taught the Brits who trained under his tutelage (Commandos, in particular) to carry their 1911s in Condition 3. That was SOP for Shanghai Municipal Police. The SMP also disabled the 1911s thumb safety. This modification is visible on surviving SMP 1911s seen today.
And keep in mind that the Fairbairn taught the Brits who trained under his tutelage (Commandos, in particular) to carry their 1911s in Condition 3. That was SOP for Shanghai Municipal Police. The SMP also disabled the 1911s thumb safety. This modification is visible on surviving SMP 1911s seen today.
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 08:16 PM (yRXSd)
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at February 04, 2024 08:18 PM (hOUT3)
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SIG P229 would work better as a carry gun, I think. I got to carry an M11 (SIG P228/P229) during my time in Afghanistan. The M11 carries nicely (better than the Beretta M9), but I can't say I know how it shoots. I'd expect to be snappier than the P226 due to the lesser weight and shorter barrel.
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 08:10 PM (yRXSd)
It was a P229 Legion. Well used gun there at the range. swa shot well with it but I couldn't bend it to my will. I didn't notice any significant difference in recoil with my P226 which was in attendance with the new XRAY3's - MUCH better sights than stock.
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 08:10 PM (yRXSd)
It was a P229 Legion. Well used gun there at the range. swa shot well with it but I couldn't bend it to my will. I didn't notice any significant difference in recoil with my P226 which was in attendance with the new XRAY3's - MUCH better sights than stock.
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 08:18 PM (IFNME)
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Horde prayer is powerful, so if you wouldn't mind, pray for peace for sra blaster and her family.
Posted by: blaster
Will do.
Posted by: blaster
Will do.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at February 04, 2024 08:19 PM (lTGtQ)
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Hello to our Gun Thread host Weasel and everyone in general.
Missed out on an M&P 10mm this weekend. Went to the gun show Saturday and saw it, decent price with tax and background check fee included (thanks TBI!). I was continuing on to stay overnight at a hotel with valet service, so couldn’t leave it in the car and certainly couldn’t bring it in. Also wasn’t sure if I really wanted to buy it.
Skip to today, decided to go for it and stopped at the show on the way back home. The vendor only stayed for Saturday and wasn’t there. Oh well, money stayed in my pocket and they might be at the next one in a couple weeks.
Missed out on an M&P 10mm this weekend. Went to the gun show Saturday and saw it, decent price with tax and background check fee included (thanks TBI!). I was continuing on to stay overnight at a hotel with valet service, so couldn’t leave it in the car and certainly couldn’t bring it in. Also wasn’t sure if I really wanted to buy it.
Skip to today, decided to go for it and stopped at the show on the way back home. The vendor only stayed for Saturday and wasn’t there. Oh well, money stayed in my pocket and they might be at the next one in a couple weeks.
Posted by: Arch Stanton at February 04, 2024 08:19 PM (5b1sF)
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Now she's gone, oh rhea!
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 04, 2024 08:15 PM
The plumbing puns on the FWP Thread weren't social enough? ;-)
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 04, 2024 08:15 PM
The plumbing puns on the FWP Thread weren't social enough? ;-)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 04, 2024 08:19 PM (a3Q+t)
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Actually the P229 I shot today felt really solid and had a good sight. I was on target from t he get go. The barrel at 3.9 is just slightly shorter than the Glock so didn't feel any difference there. It seemed to be a pretty well used model. I also shot Blaster's P226 with the new sight and shot better than last time. It was a relief after my last very mediocre outing.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 04, 2024 08:20 PM (t/2Uw)
Posted by: JTB at February 04, 2024 08:20 PM (zudum)
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I got kicked out.
Posted by: Sandman arrivrth at February 04, 2024 08:20 PM (AHNZq)
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Any moron opinions on the Ruger Mini 14?
Posted by: Sock Monkey * stand and deliver at February 04, 2024 08:20 PM (IcYTO)
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Hrothgar try dis:
http://tinyurl.com/yvuf9d5w
Posted by: blaster
dat no workee for me
And prayers up!
http://tinyurl.com/yvuf9d5w
Posted by: blaster
dat no workee for me
And prayers up!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at February 04, 2024 08:20 PM (hOUT3)
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The tinyurl works for me but here's the full version with a line break and a wordspace added:
https://www.smith-wesson.com/
product/2022-spec-series
https://www.smith-wesson.com/
product/2022-spec-series
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 04, 2024 08:21 PM (2yu8s)
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Posted by: Skip at February 04, 2024 08:12 PM (fwDg9)
Walter Walsh (Captain, USMCR) used his M1911A1 to shoot a Japanese sniper firing through a bunker slit at a bit over 75 yards. As long as you had someone who knew how to use aimed fire, the 1911 could hit things at range.
Walter Walsh (Captain, USMCR) used his M1911A1 to shoot a Japanese sniper firing through a bunker slit at a bit over 75 yards. As long as you had someone who knew how to use aimed fire, the 1911 could hit things at range.
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 08:21 PM (yRXSd)
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rightly so! those cookies rock!
I do a few batches every year subbing puffed rice for the oats on a weight basis for the glutenfree constituency that work just as well.
also a few batches with 2 or 3 chocolate chips added to each one.
because, chocolate.
*fistbump again!*
I do a few batches every year subbing puffed rice for the oats on a weight basis for the glutenfree constituency that work just as well.
also a few batches with 2 or 3 chocolate chips added to each one.
because, chocolate.
*fistbump again!*
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at February 04, 2024 08:22 PM (QwWES)
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The plumbing puns on the FWP Thread weren't social enough? ;-)
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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German country & western music.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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German country & western music.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 04, 2024 08:22 PM (2yu8s)
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Better drill to practice the flinch-reflex:
It's a dry fire drill (no ammunition), so you can practice off the range as well.
Just take your empty gun, hold it upright and place something small and light on the end of the barrel. I ususally will use a brass casing or a coin, but it should be something of a similar size.
From there you want to get the gun into your shooting grip while keeping the small object atop the barrel, and then finally execute your trigger pull while keeping the object balanced on the end of the gun.
If the object falls off or wobbles significantly, then you are still flinching and need to repeat the drill. Once you are able to perform the drill to where the object placed on the barrel moves as little as possible or not at all, then you have conquered your flinch-reflex!
It's a fantastically simple exercise that should yield quick results, but like most practice drills it will serve you better the more often you do it.
It's a dry fire drill (no ammunition), so you can practice off the range as well.
Just take your empty gun, hold it upright and place something small and light on the end of the barrel. I ususally will use a brass casing or a coin, but it should be something of a similar size.
From there you want to get the gun into your shooting grip while keeping the small object atop the barrel, and then finally execute your trigger pull while keeping the object balanced on the end of the gun.
If the object falls off or wobbles significantly, then you are still flinching and need to repeat the drill. Once you are able to perform the drill to where the object placed on the barrel moves as little as possible or not at all, then you have conquered your flinch-reflex!
It's a fantastically simple exercise that should yield quick results, but like most practice drills it will serve you better the more often you do it.
Posted by: Little Dawg Dave at February 04, 2024 08:22 PM (D4dIi)
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Blaster, I pray that your MIL beats the odds.
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 08:23 PM (yRXSd)
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Any moron opinions on the Ruger Mini 14?
Posted by: Sock Monkey * stand and deliver at February 04, 2024 08:20 PM
I'd go with a MSR, personally.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * stand and deliver at February 04, 2024 08:20 PM
I'd go with a MSR, personally.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 04, 2024 08:24 PM (a3Q+t)
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P229 also had a very nice beaver tail so grip was good.
When I returned it, the guy at the desk who knew I had wanted to shoot a particular P226 said he had a gun for me to try and pulled out the $2200 model with the red dot. I picked it up and said yes, this is very nice but it is $2200. He looked abashed and said oh, did I forget to mention that? The range also has a very nice gun store.lol
When I returned it, the guy at the desk who knew I had wanted to shoot a particular P226 said he had a gun for me to try and pulled out the $2200 model with the red dot. I picked it up and said yes, this is very nice but it is $2200. He looked abashed and said oh, did I forget to mention that? The range also has a very nice gun store.lol
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 04, 2024 08:24 PM (t/2Uw)
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my P226 which was in attendance with the new XRAY3's - MUCH better sights than stock.
Posted by: blaster
Will confirm that blaster's 226 is a sweet shooting piece of equipment.
And the S&W M&P M2.0 Metal Spec is also a fine piece of equipment.
What to do, what to do!
Posted by: blaster
Will confirm that blaster's 226 is a sweet shooting piece of equipment.
And the S&W M&P M2.0 Metal Spec is also a fine piece of equipment.
What to do, what to do!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at February 04, 2024 08:24 PM (hOUT3)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at February 04, 2024 08:24 PM (QwWES)
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I do a few batches every year subbing puffed rice for the oats on a weight basis for the glutenfree constituency that work just as well.
also a few batches with 2 or 3 chocolate chips added to each one.
because, chocolate.
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Would the Amish shun you over that recipe version??
also a few batches with 2 or 3 chocolate chips added to each one.
because, chocolate.
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Would the Amish shun you over that recipe version??
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 04, 2024 08:25 PM (2yu8s)
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Prayers up, blaster!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 04, 2024 08:26 PM (Wnv9h)
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Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 08:13 PM (IFNME)
The Walther P99 Final Edition also includes a challenge coin inside the Pelican case with the pistol.
The Walther P99 Final Edition also includes a challenge coin inside the Pelican case with the pistol.
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 08:26 PM (yRXSd)
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And keep in mind that the Fairbairn taught the Brits who trained under his tutelage (Commandos, in particular) to carry their 1911s in Condition 3. That was SOP for Shanghai Municipal Police. The SMP also disabled the 1911s thumb safety. This modification is visible on surviving SMP 1911s seen today.
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 08:16 PM (yRXSd)
Apparently back in the "Road Bandit" days of the 1930s, some Texas Rangers tied a strip of rawhide around the grip of their M1911s to disable the grip safety while carrying in Condition 3.
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 08:16 PM (yRXSd)
Apparently back in the "Road Bandit" days of the 1930s, some Texas Rangers tied a strip of rawhide around the grip of their M1911s to disable the grip safety while carrying in Condition 3.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at February 04, 2024 08:27 PM (PWe8a)
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150 The tinyurl works for me but here's the full version with a line break and a wordspace added:
https://www.smith-wesson.com/
product/2022-spec-series
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s)
I must confess my difficulties were an operator error on my part, :-(
https://www.smith-wesson.com/
product/2022-spec-series
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s)
I must confess my difficulties were an operator error on my part, :-(
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at February 04, 2024 08:27 PM (hOUT3)
Posted by: Fritzy at February 04, 2024 08:28 PM (LM1wn)
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148 Any moron opinions on the Ruger Mini 14?
I have one from back in the 70’s I really enjoy shooting it, but it doesn’t preform very well on wild hogs over about 80 pounds.
I have one from back in the 70’s I really enjoy shooting it, but it doesn’t preform very well on wild hogs over about 80 pounds.
Posted by: Rancherbob at February 04, 2024 08:28 PM (21WHr)
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...pulled out the $2200 model with the red dot. I picked it up and said yes, this is very nice but it is $2200. He looked abashed and said oh, did I forget to mention that? The range also has a very nice gun store.lol
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 04, 2024 08:24 PM (t/2Uw)
That was a P226 Zev. Which I think we will have to rent.
https://www.sigsauer.com/p226-zev.html
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 04, 2024 08:24 PM (t/2Uw)
That was a P226 Zev. Which I think we will have to rent.
https://www.sigsauer.com/p226-zev.html
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 08:28 PM (IFNME)
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I know a 45acp will go further, but combat range isn't much more than that.
Posted by: Skip at February 04, 2024 08:29 PM (fwDg9)
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The Walther P99 Final Edition also includes a challenge coin inside the Pelican case with the pistol.
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 08:26 PM (yRXSd)
As the prophesies foretold....
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 08:26 PM (yRXSd)
As the prophesies foretold....
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 08:30 PM (IFNME)
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Dang blaster, sorry.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The RNC is the NRA of the GOP at February 04, 2024 08:31 PM (AIJ3L)
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Any moron opinions on the Ruger Mini 14?
As moronic as any, I guess. IMO, the Mini 14 is great if you happen to live in a state that bans ARs but not the Mini. That's the real reason they became popular -- and expensive -- in the 90s. If not for that, I would prefer a 16" AR for the same or less $$.
As moronic as any, I guess. IMO, the Mini 14 is great if you happen to live in a state that bans ARs but not the Mini. That's the real reason they became popular -- and expensive -- in the 90s. If not for that, I would prefer a 16" AR for the same or less $$.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 04, 2024 08:32 PM (sNc8Y)
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Wishing CowHorseQueen a very Happy Birthday. I cut her no slack on riding her horse today though.
Posted by: Ben Had at February 04, 2024 08:33 PM (X9alN)
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looks like I can half inch 3 tooth pic rail risers for $10
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 08:07 PM (IFNME)
You didn't suddenly have a Biden, did you? 'Cause that looks... even for a Gun Thread somewhat blathery. Say what?
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 08:07 PM (IFNME)
You didn't suddenly have a Biden, did you? 'Cause that looks... even for a Gun Thread somewhat blathery. Say what?
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 08:34 PM (32nmx)
Posted by: Sock Monkey * stand and deliver at February 04, 2024 08:34 PM (IcYTO)
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Posted by: Sock Monkey * stand and deliver at February 04, 2024 08:20 PM (IcYTO)
To some, it's visually less offensive than the scary black AR-15. That might help depending on where you live. Magazines aren't as easy to come by as AR-15 magazines, though.
To some, it's visually less offensive than the scary black AR-15. That might help depending on where you live. Magazines aren't as easy to come by as AR-15 magazines, though.
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 08:35 PM (yRXSd)
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The Walther P99 Final Edition also includes a challenge coin inside the Pelican case with the pistol.
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 08:26 PM (yRXSd)
If they are good enough for the A-Team....
Except they had whatever the designation for the full auto version was. Stainless with the underfolder.
Mini-14s were also nice when they were $550 and ARs were $1000. The worm has turned on that.
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 08:26 PM (yRXSd)
If they are good enough for the A-Team....
Except they had whatever the designation for the full auto version was. Stainless with the underfolder.
Mini-14s were also nice when they were $550 and ARs were $1000. The worm has turned on that.
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 08:35 PM (IFNME)
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No need to cut slack on either of us!
Posted by: Rancherbob at February 04, 2024 08:35 PM (21WHr)
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Prayer for sra blaster.
Mini 14 - used one (an older 80s model) for prairie dog shooting one year. I could watch all 5 rounds from a standard magazine land all around the rodent and never hit it...shooting off bags.
Plenty good for larger game, but the action was not known as an accurate one.
There are armorer course videos available on floating and accurizing the rifle, I just never did that.
Mini 14 - used one (an older 80s model) for prairie dog shooting one year. I could watch all 5 rounds from a standard magazine land all around the rodent and never hit it...shooting off bags.
Plenty good for larger game, but the action was not known as an accurate one.
There are armorer course videos available on floating and accurizing the rifle, I just never did that.
Posted by: Chappyman66 at February 04, 2024 08:36 PM (L3byd)
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Horde prayer is powerful, so if you wouldn't mind, pray for peace for sra blaster and her family.
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 08:11 PM (IFNME)
On it, blaster.
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 08:11 PM (IFNME)
On it, blaster.
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 08:36 PM (32nmx)
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MSR == Modern Sporting Rifle == PC name for AR pattern rifles.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 04, 2024 08:37 PM (sNc8Y)
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Without my glasses, the world is blurry. But the red dot is noticeably less blurry. I could put the dot on the blur, and half the target isn't obstructed. Every gun I own, including a compact, has a red dot or a scope.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at February 04, 2024 08:37 PM (lhenN)
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Ruger Mini 14. Older ones had thin pencil barrels that lost accuracy as they heated up. Newer ones are better. They also have proprietary magazines, so no swapping with ARs.
BUT. They don’t look scary.
BUT. They don’t look scary.
Posted by: RI Red at February 04, 2024 08:37 PM (cGD0I)
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173 looks like I can half inch 3 tooth pic rail risers for $10
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 08:07 PM (IFNME)
You didn't suddenly have a Biden, did you? 'Cause that looks... even for a Gun Thread somewhat blathery. Say what?
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 08:34 PM (32nmx)
English! Do you speak it m-fer? Yeah, left out some words and stuff. A little three slot piece of pic rail that will clamp down on top of pic rail to give a half inch lift. That looks like it will bring the front sight post into the right height on the EP9
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 08:07 PM (IFNME)
You didn't suddenly have a Biden, did you? 'Cause that looks... even for a Gun Thread somewhat blathery. Say what?
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 08:34 PM (32nmx)
English! Do you speak it m-fer? Yeah, left out some words and stuff. A little three slot piece of pic rail that will clamp down on top of pic rail to give a half inch lift. That looks like it will bring the front sight post into the right height on the EP9
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 08:37 PM (IFNME)
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Horde prayer is powerful, so if you wouldn't mind, pray for peace for sra blaster and her family.
Posted by: blaster
In our prayers.
Posted by: blaster
In our prayers.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at February 04, 2024 08:37 PM (KRNKG)
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Soon, the challenge coin wars begin.
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 08:13 PM (IFNME)
Yeah, challenge coins for buying something just sort of make the whole thing pointless. SMH
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 08:13 PM (IFNME)
Yeah, challenge coins for buying something just sort of make the whole thing pointless. SMH
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 08:39 PM (32nmx)
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Little Dawg Dave; I do that drill sometimes in the dead of winter and find it useful.
as a live fire drill, loading for russian roulette and doing slow single-action fire is fun (and revealing!) too.
as a live fire drill, loading for russian roulette and doing slow single-action fire is fun (and revealing!) too.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at February 04, 2024 08:39 PM (QwWES)
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Any moron opinions on the Ruger Mini 14?
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I like them but never owned one. My buddy's was not the most accurate thing I'd ever shot but I still sort of liked it and always intended to buy one. Then there were so many other guns, and no room in the safe, and eventually no room for another safe.
But if I found a cheap one I'd probably pick it up just for sentimental reasons.
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I like them but never owned one. My buddy's was not the most accurate thing I'd ever shot but I still sort of liked it and always intended to buy one. Then there were so many other guns, and no room in the safe, and eventually no room for another safe.
But if I found a cheap one I'd probably pick it up just for sentimental reasons.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The RNC is the NRA of the GOP at February 04, 2024 08:39 PM (AIJ3L)
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Posted by: Sock Monkey * stand and deliver at February 04, 2024 08:20 PM (IcYTO)
I don't remember what the barrel twist was for the Mini-14. I want to say it's 1:12, but I'm not sure. I don't know if any came w/ 1:7 barrels to better accommodate M855 green tip ammo. M855 rounds in 1:12 barrels have NO accuracy whatsoever.
I don't remember what the barrel twist was for the Mini-14. I want to say it's 1:12, but I'm not sure. I don't know if any came w/ 1:7 barrels to better accommodate M855 green tip ammo. M855 rounds in 1:12 barrels have NO accuracy whatsoever.
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 08:40 PM (yRXSd)
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That was a P226 Zev. Which I think we will have to rent.
https://www.sigsauer.com/p226-zev.html
Posted by: blaster
Absolutely!
That was a P226 Zev. Which I think we will have to rent.
https://www.sigsauer.com/p226-zev.html
Posted by: blaster
Absolutely!
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 04, 2024 08:42 PM (t/2Uw)
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andycanuck;
no, around here they have no issues around chocolate use!
no, around here they have no issues around chocolate use!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at February 04, 2024 08:44 PM (QwWES)
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MSR == Modern Sporting Rifle == PC name for AR pattern rifles.
Posted by: Oddbob
I thought General Purpose Rifle would have had more PC andspin going for it - 22 caliber, good generic supply of parts, good for beginners, good for target practise... big game? You will need to upgrade.
Posted by: Oddbob
I thought General Purpose Rifle would have had more PC andspin going for it - 22 caliber, good generic supply of parts, good for beginners, good for target practise... big game? You will need to upgrade.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at February 04, 2024 08:44 PM (cOq4q)
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blaster, prayers up from me too.
Posted by: screaming in digital at February 04, 2024 08:45 PM (JIkaw)
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then you have conquered your flinch-reflex!
Posted by: Little Dawg Dave at February 04, 2024 08:22 PM (D4dIi)
Well, you have made yourself conscious of how to avoid it. Until it's reflexive, you haven't conquered it.
And this is a great drill. (I need to do it more often - gotten out of the habit.) But the BANG! of your first round down range can interrupt the muscle memory and take you out of that training. So definitely couple it with focus on that fundamental when live-firing, too, and use the dud/empty drills alongside it.
Posted by: Little Dawg Dave at February 04, 2024 08:22 PM (D4dIi)
Well, you have made yourself conscious of how to avoid it. Until it's reflexive, you haven't conquered it.
And this is a great drill. (I need to do it more often - gotten out of the habit.) But the BANG! of your first round down range can interrupt the muscle memory and take you out of that training. So definitely couple it with focus on that fundamental when live-firing, too, and use the dud/empty drills alongside it.
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 08:46 PM (32nmx)
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Great tip on Nick's Cigars.Weasel! Thanxs! The credit card is gonna take a hit.
Posted by: Diogenes at February 04, 2024 08:49 PM (W/lyH)
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I use to carry my mini 14 in the truck everywhere I went. I never worried to much about accuracy considering I had a 50 round clip!
Posted by: Rancherbob at February 04, 2024 08:50 PM (21WHr)
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Tech Support For Voyager
I wonder if they tried turning it off and turning it back on before all this upload business?
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IIRC... yea, they did... several times. One a couple of months ago.
I wonder if they tried turning it off and turning it back on before all this upload business?
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IIRC... yea, they did... several times. One a couple of months ago.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 04, 2024 08:51 PM (Q4IgG)
Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI expert at February 04, 2024 08:52 PM (snyZJ)
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Funny cartoon.
Weasel amigo, you rock.
Horde...yo.
Arthritis in hands, that has F'd up a lotta good things... so Im rethinking semis. Loading, charging, magazine swap. So thinking Ruger SP 101 revolver which I loved way back when ? Any suggestions?
Weasel amigo, you rock.
Horde...yo.
Arthritis in hands, that has F'd up a lotta good things... so Im rethinking semis. Loading, charging, magazine swap. So thinking Ruger SP 101 revolver which I loved way back when ? Any suggestions?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at February 04, 2024 08:53 PM (8sNng)
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And, btw Ed L, that is a nice 1911 and a very nice write-up. Thank you for sharing that.
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 08:54 PM (32nmx)
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 08:57 PM (yRXSd)
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I have found the best drill for me on trigger pull is to dry fire my S&W .357 Magnum double action revolver with a dime on the end of the barrel. The trigger pull is pretty heavy and long. It takes a lot of concentration, for me, to get through all seven clicks without losing the dime.
Trigger pull is muscle memory. Do it.
I just have to make sure I have the blinds drawn or the neighbors will freak out.
Trigger pull is muscle memory. Do it.
I just have to make sure I have the blinds drawn or the neighbors will freak out.
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 04, 2024 08:57 PM (42IOy)
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at February 04, 2024 08:59 PM (QwWES)
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doing slow single-action fire is fun (and revealing!) too.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at February 04, 2024 08:39 PM
Yes trying to concentrate and pull the trigger as slowly as I possibly can is something I like to practice a lot, for accuracy and for figuring put the precise point the trigger breaks for the shot!
So definitely couple it with focus on that fundamental when live-firing, too
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 08:46 PM
Of course live firing has to accompany the drill at least some of the time to make it effective. But I find that seeing in action how gentle one should be with their trigger finger really helps to strengthen the mental-muscle connection and help one improve accuracy at a much faster rate. One of my instructors used to say "DON'T SLAP THE TRIGGER!" 🤣 which I found helped me picture how I needed to move my finger as well
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at February 04, 2024 08:39 PM
Yes trying to concentrate and pull the trigger as slowly as I possibly can is something I like to practice a lot, for accuracy and for figuring put the precise point the trigger breaks for the shot!
So definitely couple it with focus on that fundamental when live-firing, too
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 08:46 PM
Of course live firing has to accompany the drill at least some of the time to make it effective. But I find that seeing in action how gentle one should be with their trigger finger really helps to strengthen the mental-muscle connection and help one improve accuracy at a much faster rate. One of my instructors used to say "DON'T SLAP THE TRIGGER!" 🤣 which I found helped me picture how I needed to move my finger as well
Posted by: Little Dawg Dave at February 04, 2024 08:59 PM (ss4FH)
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 04, 2024 09:00 PM (2yu8s)
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& now rlyrlyrly g'night!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying to us for decades at February 04, 2024 09:01 PM (QwWES)
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 04, 2024 09:01 PM (2yu8s)
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Ed L, love the 1911 pics and history. Thank you!
Posted by: screaming in digital at February 04, 2024 09:02 PM (JIkaw)
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#197 Very good, Chairman LMAO, AI expert. I didn't notice that at all in Weasel's writeup!
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 04, 2024 09:03 PM (2yu8s)
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So thinking Ruger SP 101 revolver which I loved way back when ? Any suggestions?
A long time ago when I was shopping for a revolver for my wife because she had problems with slides, I was partial to the SP 101 but she liked the slimmer grip of the J frame. Her 442 eventually wound up with the chunky Crimson Trace grip anyway. Can't go wrong either way, IMO.
A long time ago when I was shopping for a revolver for my wife because she had problems with slides, I was partial to the SP 101 but she liked the slimmer grip of the J frame. Her 442 eventually wound up with the chunky Crimson Trace grip anyway. Can't go wrong either way, IMO.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 04, 2024 09:04 PM (sNc8Y)
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Posted by: Cannibal Bob at February 04, 2024 08:53 PM (8sNng)
Consider the trigger pull for your candidate revolvers. One reason I like the Colt Python (even the newer models) is that the double action pull is very smooth and consistent. A revolver with a very heavy trigger pull, or one that "stacks" with a progressively heavier trigger pull might still work to shoot, but will degrade your accuracy. Double action is what you'll probably use if you have to use a revolver to defend yourself.
Also, see if your choices have a variety of grip sizes for different hand sizes available. Your ability to effectively hold your revolver with a solid grip can make or break your ability to shoot straight.
Consider the trigger pull for your candidate revolvers. One reason I like the Colt Python (even the newer models) is that the double action pull is very smooth and consistent. A revolver with a very heavy trigger pull, or one that "stacks" with a progressively heavier trigger pull might still work to shoot, but will degrade your accuracy. Double action is what you'll probably use if you have to use a revolver to defend yourself.
Also, see if your choices have a variety of grip sizes for different hand sizes available. Your ability to effectively hold your revolver with a solid grip can make or break your ability to shoot straight.
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 09:05 PM (yRXSd)
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Thanks OB. I'll file that one in the " I am now just a bit smarter" folder. I live in Washington St so ARs and AKs are considered assault rifles now banned under HB1240. We also have a high cap mag ban. Mags are limited to 10 rounds. I am aware of the accuracy issues of the older models but supposedly design changes to the barrel on the 5800 series has corrected those issues. I have a potential work around on the high cap mag issue and I don't have an issue with buying Ruger mags. Magpul is making noise about manufacturing a mini 14 mag. I waited too long to get something in the .556 platform so my options are limited. That said, I am looking for a ranch gun, not an assault rifle.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * stand and deliver at February 04, 2024 09:05 PM (IcYTO)
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182 Ruger Mini 14. Older ones had thin pencil barrels that lost accuracy as they heated up. Newer ones are better. They also have proprietary magazines, so no swapping with ARs.
BUT. They don’t look scary.
Posted by: RI Red at February 04, 2024 08:37 PM (cGD0I)
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I'd love to have a scary looking Mini 14 with the improved barrel.
BUT. They don’t look scary.
Posted by: RI Red at February 04, 2024 08:37 PM (cGD0I)
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I'd love to have a scary looking Mini 14 with the improved barrel.
Posted by: Chairman LMAO, AI expert at February 04, 2024 09:05 PM (snyZJ)
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148 Any moron opinions on the Ruger Mini 14?
Posted by: Sock Monkey * stand and deliver at February 04, 2024 08:20 PM
Buy it.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * stand and deliver at February 04, 2024 08:20 PM
Buy it.
Posted by: Eromero at February 04, 2024 09:06 PM (NxC5+)
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One of my instructors used to say "DON'T SLAP THE TRIGGER!"
One of my earliest instructors used the verb "click" and likened it to clicking a mouse button. His reasoning is that when you think "squeeze" you subconsciously squeeze with your whole hand, like squeezing a tennis ball. But you don't squeeze a mouse. You hold it with four fingers but you only move one finger to activate it.
One of my earliest instructors used the verb "click" and likened it to clicking a mouse button. His reasoning is that when you think "squeeze" you subconsciously squeeze with your whole hand, like squeezing a tennis ball. But you don't squeeze a mouse. You hold it with four fingers but you only move one finger to activate it.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 04, 2024 09:08 PM (sNc8Y)
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OK, I have now watched the second Ayoob video. He seems a bit... exercised about the "Don't be stupid" aspect. He makes a really good case, and the loud bits surprised me because he is always so measured and soft-spoken. Wow.
BTW, anyone else noticed that all of the Wilson Combat channel videos now seem to have guns-on-a-stand in them?
BTW, anyone else noticed that all of the Wilson Combat channel videos now seem to have guns-on-a-stand in them?
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 09:12 PM (32nmx)
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I might go with a .22 revolver, particularly a Magnum or WMR(?). And spend the time with her making her comfortable and safe with it. Or do the same with the pepper ball gun.
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 07:52 PM
Thanks GWB.
I do have a Heritage .22 revolver with a 6.5" barrel, for our "teaching gun". It is a great shooter, with almost no recoil and no flinch for new shooters.
I am training the daughters up on that. But they just are not ever going to be gun ladies IMO. But hopefully I can get them up to safe competency.
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 07:52 PM
Thanks GWB.
I do have a Heritage .22 revolver with a 6.5" barrel, for our "teaching gun". It is a great shooter, with almost no recoil and no flinch for new shooters.
I am training the daughters up on that. But they just are not ever going to be gun ladies IMO. But hopefully I can get them up to safe competency.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 04, 2024 09:14 PM (HlyYF)
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Buy it.
Posted by: Eromero
* counts Sock Monkey's rainy day cash*
I have the cash for the gun, 1k rounds of .556 and half dozen mags. The task in front of me is to convince Mrs. Sock that "we" need to invest in glass, another dozen mags and at least 2k more rounds.
Posted by: Eromero
* counts Sock Monkey's rainy day cash*
I have the cash for the gun, 1k rounds of .556 and half dozen mags. The task in front of me is to convince Mrs. Sock that "we" need to invest in glass, another dozen mags and at least 2k more rounds.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * stand and deliver at February 04, 2024 09:16 PM (IcYTO)
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On the Mini-14 question... sorta...
Anyone remember the woman in the 70s(?) who shot up a mall wearing a field jacket and using a rifle? She was stopped when one guy (who thought it was a toy) basically took it away from her. Was that a M1A carbine or a Mini-14 or...?
Anyone remember the woman in the 70s(?) who shot up a mall wearing a field jacket and using a rifle? She was stopped when one guy (who thought it was a toy) basically took it away from her. Was that a M1A carbine or a Mini-14 or...?
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 09:17 PM (32nmx)
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Posted by: Cannibal Bob at February 04, 2024 08:53 PM (8sNng)
Do consider any of the new Colt double action revolvers out on the market right now (Cobra = snubby .38, King Cobra = snubby .357 Magnum, Python = premium .357 Magnum, Anaconda = .44 Magnum). Yes, they are pricier than their competition, but the money goes into two things you can see and feel: the trigger and the finish. Even the low priced Cobra has a better than decent trigger. And the finish on the current generation of Pythons are arguably the best right out of the box of anything on the market today. BTW, I've written up reviews of my experiences shooting the 4.25" and 3" new (post 2020) Pythons here on the Gun Thread. Just search through the archives and you'll see them.
Do consider any of the new Colt double action revolvers out on the market right now (Cobra = snubby .38, King Cobra = snubby .357 Magnum, Python = premium .357 Magnum, Anaconda = .44 Magnum). Yes, they are pricier than their competition, but the money goes into two things you can see and feel: the trigger and the finish. Even the low priced Cobra has a better than decent trigger. And the finish on the current generation of Pythons are arguably the best right out of the box of anything on the market today. BTW, I've written up reviews of my experiences shooting the 4.25" and 3" new (post 2020) Pythons here on the Gun Thread. Just search through the archives and you'll see them.
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 09:17 PM (yRXSd)
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My only hang up is that if someone is worth shooting...
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The RNC is the NRA of the GOP at February 04, 2024 07:57 PM
Also a valid point to consider.
However, I think she is the opposite of your mindset. I think with a non-lethal round she would be MORE likely to pull the trigger earlier - rather than hesitate and let a bad person get hands on her.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The RNC is the NRA of the GOP at February 04, 2024 07:57 PM
Also a valid point to consider.
However, I think she is the opposite of your mindset. I think with a non-lethal round she would be MORE likely to pull the trigger earlier - rather than hesitate and let a bad person get hands on her.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 04, 2024 09:17 PM (HlyYF)
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Massad Ayoob is one of the most irritating gun experts on the planet!
I'm sure he is quite knowledgeable, but his tone and voice are incredibly irritating and condescending.
I'm sure he is quite knowledgeable, but his tone and voice are incredibly irritating and condescending.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 04, 2024 09:19 PM (gSZYf)
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I just have to make sure I have the blinds drawn or the neighbors will freak out.
That’s standard for lots of activities!
That’s standard for lots of activities!
Posted by: Rancherbob at February 04, 2024 09:20 PM (21WHr)
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 04, 2024 09:21 PM (kJSFo)
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Never was much of a Mini-14 fan. Thanks for the gub, Weasel.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 04, 2024 09:21 PM (V8he0)
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BTW, anyone else noticed that all of the Wilson Combat channel videos now seem to have guns-on-a-stand in them?
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 09:12 PM (32nmx)
Well, Wilson is getting what...$3k/pistol...at least?
I would pimp my products if they were that pricey!
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 09:12 PM (32nmx)
Well, Wilson is getting what...$3k/pistol...at least?
I would pimp my products if they were that pricey!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 04, 2024 09:21 PM (gSZYf)
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However, I think she is the opposite of your mindset. I think with a non-lethal round she would be MORE likely to pull the trigger earlier - rather than hesitate and let a bad person get hands on her.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot
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With this in mind it's definitely worth considering looking into concealed carry insurance that covers ALL forms of protection. I assume you or someone you love are almost always going to be pursued and sued, and I'd certainly want coverage if I'm shooting in the hopes of slightly inconveniencing someone.
(I don't mean that last bit in a smarmy way)
Posted by: Pillage Idiot
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With this in mind it's definitely worth considering looking into concealed carry insurance that covers ALL forms of protection. I assume you or someone you love are almost always going to be pursued and sued, and I'd certainly want coverage if I'm shooting in the hopes of slightly inconveniencing someone.
(I don't mean that last bit in a smarmy way)
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The RNC is the NRA of the GOP at February 04, 2024 09:22 PM (AIJ3L)
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About 16 years ago I knew this guy who lived in his shop (barndomium). He kept a Mini14 folder next to every entrance and one next to his bed, five in all. When he died I offered to buy them. The sons said no. A year later they were stolen.
Posted by: Eromero at February 04, 2024 09:23 PM (NxC5+)
Posted by: Rancherbob at February 04, 2024 09:23 PM (21WHr)
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I see that 1959 ArmaLite Rifle AR-7 survival rifles [and later editions] were all various .22 calibre rifles.
Was the USAF [and the Israeli AF according to Wiki] really thinking that would be a suitable antipersonnel weapon and not just for survival hunting by downed pilots?
Was the USAF [and the Israeli AF according to Wiki] really thinking that would be a suitable antipersonnel weapon and not just for survival hunting by downed pilots?
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 04, 2024 09:24 PM (2yu8s)
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I'm sure he is quite knowledgeable, but his tone and voice are incredibly irritating and condescending.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 04, 2024 09:19 PM (gSZYf)
I think he's great. And not condescending at all (unless he needs to be).
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 04, 2024 09:19 PM (gSZYf)
I think he's great. And not condescending at all (unless he needs to be).
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 09:24 PM (32nmx)
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Pillage, your daughter needs to AVPID putting herself in potentially dangerous situations. Walking her dog alone in a wooded area is NOT SMART. Unless her dog is trained to viciously attack anyone who speaks to her uninvited.
Bring her to TX. I'll put some sense into her.
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 04, 2024 08:13 PM
She is walking her "I love everyone" golden retriever. She has a pit bull mix rescue that she can't walk in public because she is too protective. That dog would latch on with extreme prejudice to any person that would intend her "protectee" harm.
I do see you comment about every three months that you found yourself in some situation that raised your own hackles. (And I have a decent gauge on where that level is set!) I think your advice to avoid her potentially precarious situation is probably better than any gun/no gun decision!
Bring her to TX. I'll put some sense into her.
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 04, 2024 08:13 PM
She is walking her "I love everyone" golden retriever. She has a pit bull mix rescue that she can't walk in public because she is too protective. That dog would latch on with extreme prejudice to any person that would intend her "protectee" harm.
I do see you comment about every three months that you found yourself in some situation that raised your own hackles. (And I have a decent gauge on where that level is set!) I think your advice to avoid her potentially precarious situation is probably better than any gun/no gun decision!
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at February 04, 2024 09:26 PM (HlyYF)
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Was the USAF [and the Israeli AF according to Wiki] really thinking that would be a suitable antipersonnel weapon and not just for survival hunting by downed pilots?
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 04, 2024 09:24 PM (2yu8s)
Not at all. A flight crew member had his service revolver for anti-personnel. The survival rifle was for literally surviving.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 04, 2024 09:24 PM (2yu8s)
Not at all. A flight crew member had his service revolver for anti-personnel. The survival rifle was for literally surviving.
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 09:26 PM (32nmx)
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Speaking of, one of the best points I've ever seen made was someone saying "You've got your preferred brand of pepper spray. Put all your valuables in a pile. Mortgage, cars titles, jewelry, everything. I'm going to try to take them. If I can touch the pile - no matter how briefly* - then they're mine. Ready? Go."
* IIRC this was later tied to the assailant having a knife
* IIRC this was later tied to the assailant having a knife
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The RNC is the NRA of the GOP at February 04, 2024 09:27 PM (AIJ3L)
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2 years ago today I went to the range with Jesse for the last time. It was our regular Friday date night at the Laramie indoor range. He taught me to shoot his Remington 514. I still have that target. The following Tuesday night he had a stroke.
Posted by: screaming in digital at February 04, 2024 09:28 PM (JIkaw)
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We went to our neighbors for dinner (Texans...awesome...great food and booze!). I didn't carry a pistol because it was right next door, and I am unsure of the protocol. They are perfectly comfortable with guns, so that isn't the issue, but what is the polite thing to do?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 04, 2024 09:28 PM (gSZYf)
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Mortgage, cars titles, jewelry, everything
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The RNC is the NRA of the GOP at February 04, 2024 09:27 PM (AIJ3L)
Ummm, you can have my mortgage.
You can't have my deed, though.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The RNC is the NRA of the GOP at February 04, 2024 09:27 PM (AIJ3L)
Ummm, you can have my mortgage.
You can't have my deed, though.
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 09:29 PM (32nmx)
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Was the USAF [and the Israeli AF according to Wiki] really thinking that would be a suitable antipersonnel weapon and not just for survival hunting by downed pilots?
I've only ever heard it referred to as a survival gun but a .22LR is certainly capable of being used the other way if you're selective about your opportunities.
I've only ever heard it referred to as a survival gun but a .22LR is certainly capable of being used the other way if you're selective about your opportunities.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 04, 2024 09:29 PM (sNc8Y)
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I think he's great.
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 09:24 PM (32nmx)
Shall we agree to disagree?
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 09:24 PM (32nmx)
Shall we agree to disagree?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 04, 2024 09:30 PM (gSZYf)
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2 years ago today I went to the range with Jesse for the last time.
Posted by: screaming in digital at February 04, 2024 09:28 PM (JIkaw)
Hugs, SiD. I'm glad you have those memories of him.
Posted by: screaming in digital at February 04, 2024 09:28 PM (JIkaw)
Hugs, SiD. I'm glad you have those memories of him.
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 09:30 PM (32nmx)
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I'm sure he is quite knowledgeable, but his tone and voice are incredibly irritating and condescending.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Eh, apparently I am not the only one. It's hard to find any fault with his analysis but he reminds me of a cross between my 10th grade biology teacher and a pretentious Islamic scholar.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Eh, apparently I am not the only one. It's hard to find any fault with his analysis but he reminds me of a cross between my 10th grade biology teacher and a pretentious Islamic scholar.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * stand and deliver at February 04, 2024 09:30 PM (IcYTO)
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I still have that target. The following Tuesday night he had a stroke.
My condolences. Sad memories are still precious memories.
My condolences. Sad memories are still precious memories.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 04, 2024 09:31 PM (sNc8Y)
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Shall we agree to disagree?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 04, 2024 09:30 PM (gSZYf)
I'd rather have a blood feud. They give purpose to life.
But I'll chalk it up to that weird obsession you have with maple syrup.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 04, 2024 09:30 PM (gSZYf)
I'd rather have a blood feud. They give purpose to life.
But I'll chalk it up to that weird obsession you have with maple syrup.
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 09:31 PM (32nmx)
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Being something of a Ruger fanboi I'll say this; the 9mm P89 is an awesome handgun. Heavy... sloppy, and easily used as a club.
Thousands of rounds later I think it's my 2nd favorite pistol after the SiG 220 .45.
*Being old... I don't buy new shit often*
Thousands of rounds later I think it's my 2nd favorite pistol after the SiG 220 .45.
*Being old... I don't buy new shit often*
Posted by: Martini Farmer at February 04, 2024 09:34 PM (Q4IgG)
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They are perfectly comfortable with guns, so that isn't the issue, but what is the polite thing to do?
Others may rationalize it with "concealed means concealed" but personally I will not carry into someone's private home without their explicit knowledge and permission. Once I have that permission, I feel morally obligated to defend that place and that family as if they were my own.
Others may rationalize it with "concealed means concealed" but personally I will not carry into someone's private home without their explicit knowledge and permission. Once I have that permission, I feel morally obligated to defend that place and that family as if they were my own.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 04, 2024 09:35 PM (sNc8Y)
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Ummm, you can have my mortgage.
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Yeah, I realized that when I hit post. Fortunately I've never claimed to be particularly smart so it works out fine.
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Yeah, I realized that when I hit post. Fortunately I've never claimed to be particularly smart so it works out fine.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The RNC is the NRA of the GOP at February 04, 2024 09:35 PM (AIJ3L)
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Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 04, 2024 09:24 PM (2yu8s)
Only 007 (and Q) would think of the AR-7 as an anti-personnel weapon.
Currently, the USAF is now issuing short barreled M4s to aircrew as the GAU-5A. Note that these are NOT related to the GAU-5As (XM177E1 in US Army) procured by the USAF during Vietnam. This weapon fits inside ejection seats. Also, .38 revolvers mostly disappeared among flight crew after the early 90s. Today, M9s and M11s are used instead, with M18s likely to replace them both if they haven't already.
Only 007 (and Q) would think of the AR-7 as an anti-personnel weapon.
Currently, the USAF is now issuing short barreled M4s to aircrew as the GAU-5A. Note that these are NOT related to the GAU-5As (XM177E1 in US Army) procured by the USAF during Vietnam. This weapon fits inside ejection seats. Also, .38 revolvers mostly disappeared among flight crew after the early 90s. Today, M9s and M11s are used instead, with M18s likely to replace them both if they haven't already.
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 09:36 PM (yRXSd)
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Just checking in before signing off for the nite. Thanks for being here everyone - hope to see you next Sunday!
Posted by: Weasel at February 04, 2024 09:37 PM (JwHpX)
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Fortunately I've never claimed to be particularly smart so it works out fine.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The RNC is the NRA of the GOP at February 04, 2024 09:35 PM (AIJ3L)
The stuff after "Robbie" in your nic indicates you're plenty observant, though.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The RNC is the NRA of the GOP at February 04, 2024 09:35 PM (AIJ3L)
The stuff after "Robbie" in your nic indicates you're plenty observant, though.
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 09:38 PM (32nmx)
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Good night, Weasel. Thanks for the thread.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 04, 2024 09:38 PM (sNc8Y)
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Others may rationalize it with "concealed means concealed" but personally I will not carry into someone's private home without their explicit knowledge and permission. Once I have that permission, I feel morally obligated to defend that place and that family as if they were my own.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 04, 2024 09:35 PM (sNc8Y)
That certainly sounds like an ethical approach to answering this question!
Posted by: Oddbob at February 04, 2024 09:35 PM (sNc8Y)
That certainly sounds like an ethical approach to answering this question!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at February 04, 2024 09:38 PM (hOUT3)
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hope to see you next Sunday!
Posted by: Weasel at February 04, 2024 09:37 PM (JwHpX)
Pizza at your house?
Posted by: Weasel at February 04, 2024 09:37 PM (JwHpX)
Pizza at your house?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 04, 2024 09:39 PM (gSZYf)
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Clearly Oddbob is a highly specialized type of vampire.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The RNC is the NRA of the GOP at February 04, 2024 09:40 PM (AIJ3L)
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Thank you, Weasel, for all that you do for us!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at February 04, 2024 09:40 PM (a3Q+t)
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Thank you Weasel-san! As usual, a most informative and thought provoking thread!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at February 04, 2024 09:40 PM (hOUT3)
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Thanks for hosting the thread, Weasel!
Posted by: Ed L at February 04, 2024 09:40 PM (yRXSd)
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235 We went to our neighbors for dinner (Texans...awesome...great food and booze!). I didn't carry a pistol because it was right next door, and I am unsure of the protocol. They are perfectly comfortable with guns, so that isn't the issue, but what is the polite thing to do?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 04, 2024 09:28 PM (gSZYf)
Does your neighbor own a backhoe?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 04, 2024 09:28 PM (gSZYf)
Does your neighbor own a backhoe?
Posted by: Eromero at February 04, 2024 09:41 PM (NxC5+)
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They are perfectly comfortable with guns, so that isn't the issue, but what is the polite thing to do?
...personally I will not carry into someone's private home without their explicit knowledge and permission.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 04, 2024 09:35 PM (sNc8Y)
My question would be how familiar are they with me? Do they know I regularly carry? I might not ask if that's the case. If they have smallish kids, I might ask. If they are inviting me over for some strenuous activities (jarts, going swimming, etc.) where I might need to unlimber, then I would definitely ask (or state).
But I carry everywhere when I step outside the house. And the neighbor's house is no exception, unless I specifically determine otherwise for some reason.
...personally I will not carry into someone's private home without their explicit knowledge and permission.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 04, 2024 09:35 PM (sNc8Y)
My question would be how familiar are they with me? Do they know I regularly carry? I might not ask if that's the case. If they have smallish kids, I might ask. If they are inviting me over for some strenuous activities (jarts, going swimming, etc.) where I might need to unlimber, then I would definitely ask (or state).
But I carry everywhere when I step outside the house. And the neighbor's house is no exception, unless I specifically determine otherwise for some reason.
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 09:42 PM (32nmx)
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How to learn to not flinch with handgun. Requires revolver.
Load one or more chambers, but not all. Spin cylinder without looking. Slow fire. Each time you drop the hammer, if it is on an empty chamber, the gun should not move at all. And movement must only be recoil from a round going off.
I like doing this with something with stout recoil, not painful but enough to be impressive. Learning to not anticipate this is a great feeling.
Load one or more chambers, but not all. Spin cylinder without looking. Slow fire. Each time you drop the hammer, if it is on an empty chamber, the gun should not move at all. And movement must only be recoil from a round going off.
I like doing this with something with stout recoil, not painful but enough to be impressive. Learning to not anticipate this is a great feeling.
Posted by: Durak K. at February 04, 2024 09:42 PM (2EtZ0)
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218 On the Mini-14 question... sorta...
Anyone remember the woman in the 70s(?) who shot up a mall wearing a field jacket and using a rifle? She was stopped when one guy (who thought it was a toy) basically took it away from her. Was that a M1A carbine or a Mini-14 or...?
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 09:17 PM (32nmx)
I don't remember that. However, IIRC the the bad guy who killed two and wounded five FBI agents in the 1986 Miami FBI Shootout used a full auto Mini-14.
Anyone remember the woman in the 70s(?) who shot up a mall wearing a field jacket and using a rifle? She was stopped when one guy (who thought it was a toy) basically took it away from her. Was that a M1A carbine or a Mini-14 or...?
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 09:17 PM (32nmx)
I don't remember that. However, IIRC the the bad guy who killed two and wounded five FBI agents in the 1986 Miami FBI Shootout used a full auto Mini-14.
Posted by: Gref at February 04, 2024 09:43 PM (5fDan)
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Either that pistol is a POS or she can't shoot for shit and shouldn't be making weapon videos... suckage!
Either that pistol is a POS or she can't shoot for shit and shouldn't be making weapon videos... suckage!
Posted by: C'thulhu at February 04, 2024 09:44 PM (Iynsv)
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Unlike last week, I've actually got HOME from work, in time for some Gun Threadin'! (and this one is a particularly topical thread, as if it were tailor made for the reading.)
...I know a 45acp will go further, but combat range isn't much more than that. Posted by: Skip at February 04, 2024 08:29 PM (fwDg9)
Load and learn the trajectory of the 185 gr. Ball round. Shoots flat, Point of Aim out to 50 yards. And minute of torso for sure, out at 100 yards.
Which brings my actual point. We used to line up the bowling pins at 100 yards, and shoot from every position, trying to connect with pretty much any handgun brought to the range.
I'm convinced that learning the art of ACCURATE pistolry, opens the gates to all the other desired pursuits. Consistency, speed, smoothness, confidence.
Throw in various malf drills and reloading practice, and the next thing you know, you've become a shooter to contend with.
It's like working out the abs, in a "core" fitness program. The Solid Foundation, from which all else derives.
And now, for more reading!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
...I know a 45acp will go further, but combat range isn't much more than that. Posted by: Skip at February 04, 2024 08:29 PM (fwDg9)
Load and learn the trajectory of the 185 gr. Ball round. Shoots flat, Point of Aim out to 50 yards. And minute of torso for sure, out at 100 yards.
Which brings my actual point. We used to line up the bowling pins at 100 yards, and shoot from every position, trying to connect with pretty much any handgun brought to the range.
I'm convinced that learning the art of ACCURATE pistolry, opens the gates to all the other desired pursuits. Consistency, speed, smoothness, confidence.
Throw in various malf drills and reloading practice, and the next thing you know, you've become a shooter to contend with.
It's like working out the abs, in a "core" fitness program. The Solid Foundation, from which all else derives.
And now, for more reading!
Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX
Posted by: Jim at February 04, 2024 09:46 PM (e6UQI)
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Thanks for the thread, Weasel!
Posted by: GWB at February 04, 2024 09:47 PM (32nmx)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 04, 2024 09:47 PM (Wnv9h)
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244 They are perfectly comfortable with guns, so that isn't the issue, but what is the polite thing to do?
Others may rationalize it with "concealed means concealed" but personally I will not carry into someone's private home without their explicit knowledge and permission. Once I have that permission, I feel morally obligated to defend that place and that family as if they were my own.
Posted by: Oddbob
On the surface, I agree with this comment.
However. I'm not driving around Seattle without a pistol. And I'm reticent to leave it in my parked vehicle. My friends know I carry. Unless they explicitly ask me to not bring a firearm into their home, or make comments that hint of such wishes.... most of my friends at least have hunting rifles. Or a plinking .22 rifle. It's never been an issue.
Others may rationalize it with "concealed means concealed" but personally I will not carry into someone's private home without their explicit knowledge and permission. Once I have that permission, I feel morally obligated to defend that place and that family as if they were my own.
Posted by: Oddbob
On the surface, I agree with this comment.
However. I'm not driving around Seattle without a pistol. And I'm reticent to leave it in my parked vehicle. My friends know I carry. Unless they explicitly ask me to not bring a firearm into their home, or make comments that hint of such wishes.... most of my friends at least have hunting rifles. Or a plinking .22 rifle. It's never been an issue.
Posted by: nurse ratched at February 04, 2024 09:47 PM (hryr8)
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Either that pistol is a POS or she can't shoot for shit and shouldn't be making weapon videos... suckage!
Posted by: C'thulhu
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Ha. I suspect 60% of youtube is "look at this cute girl holding this thing or building this thing."
It's gotten to the point where there are topless women, always shown where nothing is ever visible, holding hammers or acting like they're building storage buildings and such. Because men are extremely simple and pretty easy to get along with overall, and views = $$$
Posted by: C'thulhu
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Ha. I suspect 60% of youtube is "look at this cute girl holding this thing or building this thing."
It's gotten to the point where there are topless women, always shown where nothing is ever visible, holding hammers or acting like they're building storage buildings and such. Because men are extremely simple and pretty easy to get along with overall, and views = $$$
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The RNC is the NRA of the GOP at February 04, 2024 09:50 PM (AIJ3L)
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I like doing this with something with stout recoil, not painful but enough to be impressive. Learning to not anticipate this is a great feeling.
Posted by: Durak K"
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Used to do this a lot with my Ruger Blackhawk.
I like doing this with something with stout recoil, not painful but enough to be impressive. Learning to not anticipate this is a great feeling.
Posted by: Durak K"
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Used to do this a lot with my Ruger Blackhawk.
Posted by: Cosda at February 04, 2024 09:50 PM (9xUq6)
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Nurse has it nailed. Self defense, IMO, falls under the 80/20 rule. 80% software, 20 % hardware. Martial arts training, PPDs and firearms are great tools to have bit without the appropriate mental attitude accompanying them, they are considerably less effective. Most real world encounters with violence are reactive. Irregardless of what you have in your toolbox, if the mental attitude/training is not there, dealing with a threat while your brain is dealing with an adrenaline dump is considerably more difficult.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * stand and deliver at February 04, 2024 09:50 PM (IcYTO)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 04, 2024 09:51 PM (t/2Uw)
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Full auto Mini14 is called an AC556
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 09:52 PM (IFNME)
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Thanks, Ed L, et alia.
Saying they were also for personal defence even, say, under 50 yards seemed a bit iffy to me. And good news for pilots re. the GAU-5A -- thanks for the background, Ed L!
Here's Popular Mechanics on it, including photos of it packed in the ejection seat; mentions the Beretta M9 pistols too. Also mentions the AR-7 not being suitable for antipersonnel use.
http://tinyurl.com/3nrxjj4u
Yes, I know PM is crap nowadays but it's one article, darn it!
Saying they were also for personal defence even, say, under 50 yards seemed a bit iffy to me. And good news for pilots re. the GAU-5A -- thanks for the background, Ed L!
Here's Popular Mechanics on it, including photos of it packed in the ejection seat; mentions the Beretta M9 pistols too. Also mentions the AR-7 not being suitable for antipersonnel use.
http://tinyurl.com/3nrxjj4u
Yes, I know PM is crap nowadays but it's one article, darn it!
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at February 04, 2024 09:52 PM (2yu8s)
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Good thread, Weasel. Good night, all.
Posted by: RI Red at February 04, 2024 09:54 PM (cGD0I)
Posted by: screaming in digital at February 04, 2024 09:56 PM (JIkaw)
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Load and learn the trajectory of the 185 gr. Ball round. Shoots flat, Point of Aim out to 50 yards. And minute of torso for sure, out at 100 yards.
Trust Jim SND. But in the interest of sheer geekery, I put the following into a ballistics calculator: 185 JHP (it didn't have a 185 FMJ option), 850 fps, 20 yard zero. Results are: -1.5" @ 0 yds, -1.5" at 50 yds, and -14.75" at 100 yds. Pretty much spot on.
Trust Jim SND. But in the interest of sheer geekery, I put the following into a ballistics calculator: 185 JHP (it didn't have a 185 FMJ option), 850 fps, 20 yard zero. Results are: -1.5" @ 0 yds, -1.5" at 50 yds, and -14.75" at 100 yds. Pretty much spot on.
Posted by: Oddbob at February 04, 2024 09:56 PM (sNc8Y)
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126 Hey guys not to put a damper on the thread, but sra blaster was not at our range day today because she was down in Florida helping with her mom.
Yesterday she (my MiL) had tested positive for Covid, and today she is hospitalized with pneumonia, sepsis, and renal failure...along with the Covid. Doctors give her 50/50 chance right now.
Horde prayer is powerful, so if you wouldn't mind, pray for peace for sra blaster and her family.
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 08:11 PM (IFNME)
Praying for the senora now.
Yesterday she (my MiL) had tested positive for Covid, and today she is hospitalized with pneumonia, sepsis, and renal failure...along with the Covid. Doctors give her 50/50 chance right now.
Horde prayer is powerful, so if you wouldn't mind, pray for peace for sra blaster and her family.
Posted by: blaster at February 04, 2024 08:11 PM (IFNME)
Praying for the senora now.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at February 04, 2024 09:56 PM (rol6S)
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Thanks Weasel!
Sunday night is the best!
Sunday night is the best!
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 04, 2024 09:57 PM (t/2Uw)
Posted by: C'thulhu at February 04, 2024 10:00 PM (Iynsv)
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OTN NOOD
Posted by: Skip at February 04, 2024 10:01 PM (fwDg9)
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Prayers given blaster. It is our most powerful tool.
Posted by: Sock Monkey * stand and deliver at February 04, 2024 10:01 PM (IcYTO)
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They are perfectly comfortable with guns, so that isn't the issue, but what is the polite thing to do?
I've never asked and have never encountered a problem. Granted, most of my friends are pro-2A but it's a personal decision on my part. Selfish? Maybe. Wise? Probably.
I've never asked and have never encountered a problem. Granted, most of my friends are pro-2A but it's a personal decision on my part. Selfish? Maybe. Wise? Probably.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 04, 2024 10:01 PM (V8he0)
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ONT up.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at February 04, 2024 10:02 PM (rol6S)
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Thanks as always weasel.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - The RNC is the NRA of the GOP at February 04, 2024 10:08 PM (AIJ3L)
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Thats for the revolver suggestions. Much appreciated.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at February 04, 2024 10:09 PM (8sNng)
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Love the Colt 1991A1, the Commander version.
But it was a dog right out of the box, very frustrating...not at all like my Kimber .45 (for obvious reasons).
Had a military armorer who moonlighted at speed comps work it over.
OMG, brass lands in a 2 ft circle and can reliably shoot tennis balls at 30 meters.
Smooth shooter!
And prayers for sra blaster.
But it was a dog right out of the box, very frustrating...not at all like my Kimber .45 (for obvious reasons).
Had a military armorer who moonlighted at speed comps work it over.
OMG, brass lands in a 2 ft circle and can reliably shoot tennis balls at 30 meters.
Smooth shooter!
And prayers for sra blaster.
Posted by: GEN Jack D. Ripper at February 04, 2024 10:24 PM (2WZjA)
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@tedcruz
This…is…INSANE.
On Schumer’s Open-Borders Legislation, Republicans shouldn’t just vote no…
…but HELL NO.
This…is…INSANE.
On Schumer’s Open-Borders Legislation, Republicans shouldn’t just vote no…
…but HELL NO.
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