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Mas Ayoob: Red Dots on Carry Guns
Zeroing Iron Sights
A guy zeroing iron sights.
Model of 1917 At the factory.
More Grip Fundamentals
Good News, Bad News
The entire Gemini 6 Mission!
How Pencils Are Made
If you are going to take range notes, and you should be taking range notes, you need a thorough understanding of how pencils are made.
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Posted by: Skip at January 14, 2024 07:00 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 14, 2024 07:01 PM (Wnv9h)
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:01 PM (f0/sc)
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Bang
Posted by: Eromero at January 14, 2024 07:01 PM (S8vSe)
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Evening, Scoob!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 14, 2024 07:02 PM (Wnv9h)
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YAY!
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 07:02 PM (32nmx)
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Good evening everyone
Posted by: Skip at January 14, 2024 07:02 PM (fwDg9)
Posted by: blaster at January 14, 2024 07:03 PM (IFNME)
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Right ho, Weasel! Have fun! Greetings to WW and FSJ!
Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying for decades at January 14, 2024 07:03 PM (WsTvr)
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.357 mag the benchmark round.
Posted by: Hokey Pokey at January 14, 2024 07:03 PM (as3uC)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 14, 2024 07:03 PM (aD39U)
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Tastes filling, less great!
Posted by: RI Red at January 14, 2024 07:03 PM (LS6dF)
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Maybe a 1927 Thompson too.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 14, 2024 07:04 PM (aD39U)
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And with that the reading of the content is done!!!
No range report but I FINALLY took my firearms out of the Pelican case they have been living in for almost 3 months!!!
They are none the less for wear. I might take the pistol out to the range in a few weeks to knock the rust off my skills.
Definitely looking forward to warmer weather.
No range report but I FINALLY took my firearms out of the Pelican case they have been living in for almost 3 months!!!
They are none the less for wear. I might take the pistol out to the range in a few weeks to knock the rust off my skills.
Definitely looking forward to warmer weather.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:05 PM (f0/sc)
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Well, it might be content lite, but it looks good to me. Gonna have to go watch videos now.
FYSA, I *finally* got my .50 Beowulf together! (As noted last week, PSA is FABULOUS customer service!)
Hopefully, after the turn of the month I'll be able to go down to NC to the outdoor range and fire a few rounds and see what it's like.
After I put a few rounds through it, I'll give a full report to Weasel, with pics.
FYSA, I *finally* got my .50 Beowulf together! (As noted last week, PSA is FABULOUS customer service!)
Hopefully, after the turn of the month I'll be able to go down to NC to the outdoor range and fire a few rounds and see what it's like.
After I put a few rounds through it, I'll give a full report to Weasel, with pics.
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 07:06 PM (32nmx)
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Gun Bans in Post Offices Violate 2nd Amendment, Judge Says
The ruling came after a person was charged with possessing firearms in a post office, which he argued was ‘unconstitutional.’
U.S. District Judge Kathryn Kimball Mizelle for the Middle District of Florida cited the 2022 Supreme Court ruling in the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association Inc. v. Bruen case, in which the high court said that the Second Amendment protects a U.S. citizen’s right to carry a handgun in public for self-defense purposes.
That ruling also set up a new test for judging firearms laws, stating that such legal restrictions should be consistent with the country’s historical tradition of firearms regulation.
Postal worker Emmanuel Ayala was indicted by the United States on charges of violating Section 930(a) of the U.S. Code, which regulates the possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in federal facilities. Mr. Ayala argued that the law is “unconstitutional as applied to him” since historical records don’t support a law banning firearms in post offices.
The ruling came after a person was charged with possessing firearms in a post office, which he argued was ‘unconstitutional.’
U.S. District Judge Kathryn Kimball Mizelle for the Middle District of Florida cited the 2022 Supreme Court ruling in the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association Inc. v. Bruen case, in which the high court said that the Second Amendment protects a U.S. citizen’s right to carry a handgun in public for self-defense purposes.
That ruling also set up a new test for judging firearms laws, stating that such legal restrictions should be consistent with the country’s historical tradition of firearms regulation.
Postal worker Emmanuel Ayala was indicted by the United States on charges of violating Section 930(a) of the U.S. Code, which regulates the possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in federal facilities. Mr. Ayala argued that the law is “unconstitutional as applied to him” since historical records don’t support a law banning firearms in post offices.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 14, 2024 07:06 PM (aD39U)
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Evening RMBS, have you made the trip north to get your scope mounted? Or is that place snowed in and not due to open until spring? LOL
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:07 PM (f0/sc)
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I didn't even go outside today let alone go to the range.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 14, 2024 07:07 PM (t/2Uw)
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Good evening, one and all.
Unfortunately, due to real life and the weather, mostly real life, there is no range report this week from Che Blake.
But, on the up side, I will be shooting my second 1,000 yard match next weekend followed up by another attempt to slay silhouettes out to 500 meters.
Unfortunately, due to real life and the weather, mostly real life, there is no range report this week from Che Blake.
But, on the up side, I will be shooting my second 1,000 yard match next weekend followed up by another attempt to slay silhouettes out to 500 meters.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 07:08 PM (tT6L1)
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Good evening horde. Looking forward to another lively gub thread.
Posted by: TRex at January 14, 2024 07:08 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Hello, Weasel!
Posted by: Ed L at January 14, 2024 07:08 PM (yRXSd)
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I have some good gub stuff. Today seemed like a good day to clean gubs etc. So it was Sig cleaning day. And stuff.
Our EDCs needed some cleaning. And they got it. I also made sure they were nice and lubed.
Our EDCs needed some cleaning. And they got it. I also made sure they were nice and lubed.
Posted by: blaster at January 14, 2024 07:08 PM (IFNME)
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I suppose I should think about cleaning the G48.
Okay, I thought about it.
Okay, I thought about it.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 14, 2024 07:09 PM (t/2Uw)
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As a newby, anyone have any suggestions as to what reloading powder I should use for 38/357 and 40SW ?
Posted by: John Boeve at January 14, 2024 07:09 PM (Ss67U)
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No range time here, but thanks for the videos Weasel - will be sure to watch them. Enjoy your time in the great State of TN.
Posted by: Grateful at January 14, 2024 07:10 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Postal worker Emmanuel Ayala was indicted by the United States on charges of violating Section 930(a) of the U.S. Code, which regulates the possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in federal facilities. Mr. Ayala argued that the law is “unconstitutional as applied to him” since historical records don’t support a law banning firearms in post offices.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 14, 2024 07:06 PM (aD39U)
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Nice, he was charged with a crime so he had standing. (Nice catch 22 there. Need to actually show harm before the courts will look at some cases. In the case of firearms, it generally means committing a crime then hoping the courts side with you. If the courts don't side with you, then, well, your SOL)
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 14, 2024 07:06 PM (aD39U)
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Nice, he was charged with a crime so he had standing. (Nice catch 22 there. Need to actually show harm before the courts will look at some cases. In the case of firearms, it generally means committing a crime then hoping the courts side with you. If the courts don't side with you, then, well, your SOL)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 07:10 PM (tT6L1)
Posted by: Diogenes at January 14, 2024 07:10 PM (W/lyH)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 14, 2024 07:10 PM (MoZTd)
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19 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 07:08 PM (tT6L1)
Evening blake! You seem to have been taken with the long range shooting. Hopefully we will see you make the 1000 yard target look stupid at the next TXMoMe.
Evening blake! You seem to have been taken with the long range shooting. Hopefully we will see you make the 1000 yard target look stupid at the next TXMoMe.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:10 PM (f0/sc)
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OK. i have three guns, but have never shot any of them (i have shot others).
one is an heirloom rifle that hasn't been shot since before i was born and needs to go to a gunsmith before it's loaded.
the one that interests me the most is the 12 gauge. can i take that to a range? or should that just be the 9mm?
thanks
one is an heirloom rifle that hasn't been shot since before i was born and needs to go to a gunsmith before it's loaded.
the one that interests me the most is the 12 gauge. can i take that to a range? or should that just be the 9mm?
thanks
Posted by: DenverGregg at January 14, 2024 07:11 PM (ccqW3)
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I suppose I should think about cleaning the G48.
Okay, I thought about it.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 14, 2024 07:09 PM (t/2Uw)
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Hey now, be careful there. You don't want to be doing anything which requires effort, such as thinking!
Okay, I thought about it.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 14, 2024 07:09 PM (t/2Uw)
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Hey now, be careful there. You don't want to be doing anything which requires effort, such as thinking!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 07:11 PM (tT6L1)
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The right way to hold a hanggun is with the grip parallel with the horizon, your arm angled up as if in a half-hearted 'heil' salute, and barrel pointed towards the ground to a point about 20 feet in front of you.
This is how hold it to command repect when someone disses you.
This is how hold it to command repect when someone disses you.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at January 14, 2024 07:12 PM (cOq4q)
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A real crap-for-brains...
J Hans @blackhawkce457
This is why women live longer than us fellas:
http://tinyurl.com/29wsarer
57 seconds
I assume it's a semiautomatic illegally converted to full-auto subject to analysis by the better-educated here than me tonight.
J Hans @blackhawkce457
This is why women live longer than us fellas:
http://tinyurl.com/29wsarer
57 seconds
I assume it's a semiautomatic illegally converted to full-auto subject to analysis by the better-educated here than me tonight.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 14, 2024 07:13 PM (2yu8s)
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My only gun related activity this week was experimenting to find out if my AR pistol (with totally legal brace) fits into the compartment behind the rear seats in my truck. Spoiler alert: it does indeed. Almost as if it were made for it. Guess that's why they call them "Truck Guns".
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at January 14, 2024 07:13 PM (PWe8a)
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the one that interests me the most is the 12 gauge. can i take that to a range? or should that just be the 9mm?
thanks
Posted by: DenverGregg at January 14, 2024 07:11 PM (ccqW3)
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What one can shoot at a range depends entirely on the range. If it's an outdoor range, good chance they've got something set up for shotguns. An indoor range? Probably not.
thanks
Posted by: DenverGregg at January 14, 2024 07:11 PM (ccqW3)
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What one can shoot at a range depends entirely on the range. If it's an outdoor range, good chance they've got something set up for shotguns. An indoor range? Probably not.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 07:13 PM (tT6L1)
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The right way to hold a hanggun is with the grip parallel with the horizon, your arm angled up as if in a half-hearted 'heil' salute, and barrel pointed towards the ground to a point about 20 feet in front of you.
This is how hold it to command respect when someone disses you.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
Is there a video of this available?
This is how hold it to command respect when someone disses you.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
Is there a video of this available?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ THIS year in Corsicana - again! ~ at January 14, 2024 07:14 PM (hOUT3)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 14, 2024 07:14 PM (MoZTd)
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Wonder when they will get around to the law passed in MD restricting CC everywhere except everywhere.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 14, 2024 07:14 PM (t/2Uw)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 14, 2024 07:14 PM (Wnv9h)
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Great video on the 1917. I have its progenitor, the Pattern 14 in .303 British, and it's a blast (no pun intended) to shoot.
Posted by: Pennsyltucky at January 14, 2024 07:15 PM (Npnb7)
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I was surprised how tactile and hands on the M1917 manufacturing process was. A loverly rifle.
Posted by: butch at January 14, 2024 07:15 PM (5oGxE)
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Nice shooting Weasel! Great tips on the lube too.
I use a dime to disassemble the bolt and one just has to be careful to make sure it does not slip out. I think they actually made a disc for bolt disassembly but I have never seen one.
The M1917 is a heavy, solid rifle. A little oddity; used to be if you walked out the front door of the old O Club at Benning and looked down, there was, not unexpectedly, a set of crossed rifles inset into the stone of the porch. They’re were not muskets. They’re were not Springfields. They’re were M1917s. Wonder if their still there.
I use a dime to disassemble the bolt and one just has to be careful to make sure it does not slip out. I think they actually made a disc for bolt disassembly but I have never seen one.
The M1917 is a heavy, solid rifle. A little oddity; used to be if you walked out the front door of the old O Club at Benning and looked down, there was, not unexpectedly, a set of crossed rifles inset into the stone of the porch. They’re were not muskets. They’re were not Springfields. They’re were M1917s. Wonder if their still there.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 14, 2024 07:15 PM (R/m4+)
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Evening blake! You seem to have been taken with the long range shooting. Hopefully we will see you make the 1000 yard target look stupid at the next TXMoMe.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:10 PM (f0/sc)
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As long as Weasel is there for the wind calls, I can probably get it done.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:10 PM (f0/sc)
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As long as Weasel is there for the wind calls, I can probably get it done.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 07:15 PM (tT6L1)
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GB 48, Dal 16...bye bye Dallas. The rout in Dallas is real.
Posted by: Grateful at January 14, 2024 07:15 PM (IQ6Gq)
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I have several firearms assembly/disassembly books picked up over the years. Since most of my guns are not close to new, older manuals do the job. They are worth the cost. Using them let me make repairs without the cost of a gunsmith.
Posted by: JTB at January 14, 2024 07:16 PM (zudum)
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Safe travels Weasel !
Posted by: JT at January 14, 2024 07:16 PM (T4tVD)
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Thanks Skip !
Posted by: JT at January 14, 2024 07:16 PM (T4tVD)
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Green Bay, 48 - Dallas, 16
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 14, 2024 07:14 PM (MoZTd)
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Refs are going to have to work really hard to get Dallas back into the game.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 14, 2024 07:14 PM (MoZTd)
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Refs are going to have to work really hard to get Dallas back into the game.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 07:16 PM (tT6L1)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 14, 2024 07:17 PM (MoZTd)
Posted by: Ciampino - Contrary to rumors Skip was not responsible at January 14, 2024 07:17 PM (qfLjt)
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Refs are going to have to work really hard to get Dallas back into the game.
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Trust me, they've been trying....
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Trust me, they've been trying....
Posted by: Grateful at January 14, 2024 07:18 PM (IQ6Gq)
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An Iowa principal who put himself in harm’s way to protect students during a school shooting earlier this month died Sunday, a funeral home confirmed.
Caldwell Parrish Funeral Home & Crematory confirmed the death of Perry High School Principal Dan Marburger after the family announced it on a GoFundMe page.
There will be guns in school. I just hope it is a good guy.
Caldwell Parrish Funeral Home & Crematory confirmed the death of Perry High School Principal Dan Marburger after the family announced it on a GoFundMe page.
There will be guns in school. I just hope it is a good guy.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 14, 2024 07:18 PM (lwOKI)
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Maybe a 1927 Thompson too.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 14, 2024 07:04 PM (aD39U)
Saw an M16A1 at a recent Chantilly show asking $33k. "Mid-range priced" in the world of NFA Class 3.
Are you referring to a Model 1928 Thompson? Technically, the Model 1927 is available today as a semi-auto SBR from Kahr Arms. The Model 1927 was and is a semi-auto version of the Thompson. The Colt-made Model 1921s are the top of the heap in the collectible Thompson market, though. Although only around 2,000 or so are still transferrable, records from the period exist to tell you where almost all of these guns went by serial number. Get a Model 1921, and you can almost always get a provenance with it.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 14, 2024 07:04 PM (aD39U)
Saw an M16A1 at a recent Chantilly show asking $33k. "Mid-range priced" in the world of NFA Class 3.
Are you referring to a Model 1928 Thompson? Technically, the Model 1927 is available today as a semi-auto SBR from Kahr Arms. The Model 1927 was and is a semi-auto version of the Thompson. The Colt-made Model 1921s are the top of the heap in the collectible Thompson market, though. Although only around 2,000 or so are still transferrable, records from the period exist to tell you where almost all of these guns went by serial number. Get a Model 1921, and you can almost always get a provenance with it.
Posted by: Ed L at January 14, 2024 07:18 PM (yRXSd)
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 14, 2024 07:18 PM (2yu8s)
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The right way to hold a hanggun is with the grip parallel with the horizon, your arm angled up as if in a half-hearted 'heil' salute, and barrel pointed towards the ground to a point about 20 feet in front of you.
This is how hold it to command respect when someone disses you.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
Is there a video of this available?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ THIS year in Corsicana - again! ~ at January 14, 2024 07:14 PM (hOUT3)
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Of course there is!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1jx1TOzxrE
This is how hold it to command respect when someone disses you.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher
Is there a video of this available?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ THIS year in Corsicana - again! ~ at January 14, 2024 07:14 PM (hOUT3)
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Of course there is!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1jx1TOzxrE
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 07:19 PM (tT6L1)
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@blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
TY!
btw the heirloom is a winchester 1894 given to my grandfather about 1906 and to my dad about 1934. according to the serial number it was made in 1897
TY!
btw the heirloom is a winchester 1894 given to my grandfather about 1906 and to my dad about 1934. according to the serial number it was made in 1897
Posted by: DenverGregg at January 14, 2024 07:19 PM (ccqW3)
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I own an M1917 and am tempted to get an Enfield P14.
Posted by: butch at January 14, 2024 07:19 PM (5oGxE)
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Went to the range on Friday and got some range time w/ the new (to me) lightweight FN High Power. It shoots low. I have to aim at the top of the target to hit in the middle. Spent the rest of the afternoon cleaning it and what got shot last week with the DMV MGC.
Posted by: Ed L at January 14, 2024 07:21 PM (yRXSd)
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And in the theme of this gun thread - my P226 got a cleaning and some work. I had put an adapter plate on it and mounted a red dot on it. Because my mantra is - was - dots on everything. New mantra - dots on everything made for dots. I never quite got used to the look of the sight on the adapter plate. Looked a little ungainly. So off with the plate.
But my old iron sights were not great. The front sight might have been a night sight, but if it was tritium, well, this pistol was manufactured in 1994, and if it glowed, it doesn't any more. I ordered some Sig Xrays and a new sight pusher.
BUT - I only have one Sig P226, and we kind of have to have 2 of everything here. And in the vein of dots on what's made for dots.... Sig P226 Legion RXP comes with a red dot installed. A little pricy, but sra blaster has authorized the purchase. After we take care of some ranch purchases....
But my old iron sights were not great. The front sight might have been a night sight, but if it was tritium, well, this pistol was manufactured in 1994, and if it glowed, it doesn't any more. I ordered some Sig Xrays and a new sight pusher.
BUT - I only have one Sig P226, and we kind of have to have 2 of everything here. And in the vein of dots on what's made for dots.... Sig P226 Legion RXP comes with a red dot installed. A little pricy, but sra blaster has authorized the purchase. After we take care of some ranch purchases....
Posted by: blaster at January 14, 2024 07:21 PM (IFNME)
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There will be guns in school. I just hope it is a good guy.
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 14, 2024 07:18 PM (lwOKI)
Increasingly, I think that more, and public, hangings will really decrease the recidivism rate for so many heinous crimes!
Posted by: rhennigantx at January 14, 2024 07:18 PM (lwOKI)
Increasingly, I think that more, and public, hangings will really decrease the recidivism rate for so many heinous crimes!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ THIS year in Corsicana - again! ~ at January 14, 2024 07:22 PM (hOUT3)
Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2024 07:22 PM (GB0ku)
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Blaster, I suppose this is my fault?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 14, 2024 07:23 PM (t/2Uw)
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Gun Bans in Post Offices Violate 2nd Amendment, Judge Says
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 14, 2024 07:06 PM (aD39U)
I think they were first banned there after a postal worker "went postal." And, once again, they banned everyone else from carrying.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 14, 2024 07:06 PM (aD39U)
I think they were first banned there after a postal worker "went postal." And, once again, they banned everyone else from carrying.
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 07:23 PM (32nmx)
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I own an M1917 and am tempted to get an Enfield P14.
Posted by: butch at January 14, 2024 07:19 PM (5oGxE)
Concur. If I came across a P14 in decent shape and price, I would get it.
I have never seen one in MeatSpace but you never know.
Posted by: butch at January 14, 2024 07:19 PM (5oGxE)
Concur. If I came across a P14 in decent shape and price, I would get it.
I have never seen one in MeatSpace but you never know.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 14, 2024 07:24 PM (R/m4+)
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I was dragooned into shooting trap last fall, and the new season starts Tuesday, when it'll be a balmy 0 degrees Fahrenheit.
I say dragooned because the President of our division shoots trap and my boss wants to kiss his ass, but he also needed a partner who knew which end of a firearm the stuff comes out of so here I am.
Note to self: Buy hand warmers tomorrow.
I say dragooned because the President of our division shoots trap and my boss wants to kiss his ass, but he also needed a partner who knew which end of a firearm the stuff comes out of so here I am.
Note to self: Buy hand warmers tomorrow.
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 07:24 PM (H5IZ1)
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btw the heirloom is a winchester 1894 given to my grandfather about 1906 and to my dad about 1934. according to the serial number it was made in 1897
Posted by: DenverGregg at January 14, 2024 07:19 PM (ccqW3)
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1. Very cool rifle.
2. Yeah, you want to get that checked by a competent gunsmith. Although, Winchester might be interested in looking at it for you.
Posted by: DenverGregg at January 14, 2024 07:19 PM (ccqW3)
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1. Very cool rifle.
2. Yeah, you want to get that checked by a competent gunsmith. Although, Winchester might be interested in looking at it for you.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 07:25 PM (tT6L1)
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Does your HP shoot low? Does it wobble to and fro?
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 14, 2024 07:25 PM (2yu8s)
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I took junior 2 out to practice with the Henry yesterday, and replaced a fiber optic bead with a brass one on my shotgub. Im not fond of big glowing things on the barrel.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 14, 2024 07:25 PM (88Syn)
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Dragooned is a great word.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 14, 2024 07:25 PM (t/2Uw)
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Is there a video of this available?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ THIS year in Corsicana - again! ~ at January 14, 2024 07:14 PM (hOUT3)
Got another source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo23qjWav0Q
"And you throw the bullets..."
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ THIS year in Corsicana - again! ~ at January 14, 2024 07:14 PM (hOUT3)
Got another source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo23qjWav0Q
"And you throw the bullets..."
Posted by: MD_Mike at January 14, 2024 07:26 PM (BouEL)
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62 Blaster, I suppose this is my fault?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 14, 2024 07:23 PM (t/2Uw)
You better believe it.
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 14, 2024 07:23 PM (t/2Uw)
You better believe it.
Posted by: blaster at January 14, 2024 07:26 PM (IFNME)
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59 Posted by: blaster at January 14, 2024 07:21 PM
I would prefer to get a handgun that comes with the ability to put a red dot on it.
When I purchased my Sig I got one that came with it. It too is a Legion so much more expensive than the regular models.
But soooooooo worth it.
blaster, did you get a chance to try mine last year after the NoVaMoMe? If not we will rectify this year.
I would prefer to get a handgun that comes with the ability to put a red dot on it.
When I purchased my Sig I got one that came with it. It too is a Legion so much more expensive than the regular models.
But soooooooo worth it.
blaster, did you get a chance to try mine last year after the NoVaMoMe? If not we will rectify this year.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:26 PM (f0/sc)
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blaster, did you get a chance to try mine last year after the NoVaMoMe? If not we will rectify this year.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:26 PM (f0/sc)
I did shoot it some. It is definitely nice.
I think we each shot each others guns.
THIS IS NOT A EUPHEMISM
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:26 PM (f0/sc)
I did shoot it some. It is definitely nice.
I think we each shot each others guns.
THIS IS NOT A EUPHEMISM
Posted by: blaster at January 14, 2024 07:28 PM (IFNME)
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the one that interests me the most is the 12 gauge. can i take that to a range? or should that just be the 9mm?
thanks
Posted by: DenverGregg at January 14, 2024 07:11 PM (ccqW3)
I'm assuming they've been safety checked.
You're probably going to need to take a shotgun to an outdoor range. And even there, they might require slugs, unless they have a skeet range. (If an indoor range allows it, you will definitely have to use slugs. They don't want you peppering other people's targets.)
Any idea on the age and model and such of the weapons? Lots of good knowledge here on such things.
thanks
Posted by: DenverGregg at January 14, 2024 07:11 PM (ccqW3)
I'm assuming they've been safety checked.
You're probably going to need to take a shotgun to an outdoor range. And even there, they might require slugs, unless they have a skeet range. (If an indoor range allows it, you will definitely have to use slugs. They don't want you peppering other people's targets.)
Any idea on the age and model and such of the weapons? Lots of good knowledge here on such things.
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 07:28 PM (32nmx)
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Bout time I turned the tables.
At least this way I get to try it out before I buy it. Do you think it comes in purple?
At least this way I get to try it out before I buy it. Do you think it comes in purple?
Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 14, 2024 07:28 PM (t/2Uw)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at January 14, 2024 07:28 PM (MoZTd)
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six hours of washing machine sounds--
I sorta got into the Industrial Metal sounds of my MRI last week. Told the tech I wanted a CD copy.
Young fella. Never heard of Industrial Metal.
Might not even know what CD meant.
Probably figured I was just another demented old geezer.
Well, that's true...
I sorta got into the Industrial Metal sounds of my MRI last week. Told the tech I wanted a CD copy.
Young fella. Never heard of Industrial Metal.
Might not even know what CD meant.
Probably figured I was just another demented old geezer.
Well, that's true...
Posted by: mindful webworker - bullseye at January 14, 2024 07:29 PM (BmwFL)
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Take the $$$ that we have sent to Ukraine and use 10% of that money to train and equip people who are willing to protect children in school.
Or use it to pay those people. How many former military or retired LEO's will be willing to do that job?
Or use it to pay those people. How many former military or retired LEO's will be willing to do that job?
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:29 PM (f0/sc)
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24 ... "As a newby, anyone have any suggestions as to what reloading powder I should use for 38/357 and 40SW ?"
It depends on what you are using them for. A powder suitable for very light target loads, like 38 special 148 grain wadcutters, won't be appropriate for heavier bullets and faster velocities. Get several loading manuals, not just one, for techniques and loading data. Fortunately, many powder makers have the info online. I still suggest having at least two reloading manuals.
PS: On the thread we can discuss specific powders but not the charge weights. Caution and liability.
It depends on what you are using them for. A powder suitable for very light target loads, like 38 special 148 grain wadcutters, won't be appropriate for heavier bullets and faster velocities. Get several loading manuals, not just one, for techniques and loading data. Fortunately, many powder makers have the info online. I still suggest having at least two reloading manuals.
PS: On the thread we can discuss specific powders but not the charge weights. Caution and liability.
Posted by: JTB at January 14, 2024 07:29 PM (zudum)
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73 THIS IS NOT A EUPHEMISM
Posted by: blaster at January 14, 2024 07:28 PM
Not that there is anything wrong with that. LOL
Posted by: blaster at January 14, 2024 07:28 PM
Not that there is anything wrong with that. LOL
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:30 PM (f0/sc)
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I assume it's a semiautomatic illegally converted to full-auto subject to analysis by the better-educated here than me tonight.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 14, 2024 07:13 PM (2yu8s)
Not necessarily an illegal conversion. There were some registered full auto 16s before the new machine gun ban.
I've seen other guys on EweTube melting down full autos, with the same results. One guy made his subsequent vids while wearing a leather apron and a welding mask.
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 14, 2024 07:13 PM (2yu8s)
Not necessarily an illegal conversion. There were some registered full auto 16s before the new machine gun ban.
I've seen other guys on EweTube melting down full autos, with the same results. One guy made his subsequent vids while wearing a leather apron and a welding mask.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at January 14, 2024 07:30 PM (yWvc2)
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64 I own an M1917 and am tempted to get an
Concur. If I came across a P14 in decent shape and price, I would get it.
I have never seen one in MeatSpace but you never know.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 14, 2024 07:24 PM (R/m4+)
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It is definitely something worth finding. The P14 has a certain character about it that I've encountered in few other firearms. I don't know if that makes sense, but it's the best way I can come up with to express it. I found mine in nice condition at a show around 30 years ago or so, and it's been in my collection ever since.
Concur. If I came across a P14 in decent shape and price, I would get it.
I have never seen one in MeatSpace but you never know.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 14, 2024 07:24 PM (R/m4+)
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It is definitely something worth finding. The P14 has a certain character about it that I've encountered in few other firearms. I don't know if that makes sense, but it's the best way I can come up with to express it. I found mine in nice condition at a show around 30 years ago or so, and it's been in my collection ever since.
Posted by: Pennsyltucky at January 14, 2024 07:30 PM (Npnb7)
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Posted by: DenverGregg at January 14, 2024 07:11 PM (ccqW3)
Expect indoor ranges to have restrictions on what you can shoot w/ your 12 gauge, what you can shoot at (larger targets are usually required), and minimum distances your target has to be downrange. Bring both ear plugs and earmuffs. You'll need them for the blast and noise a 12 gauge produces indoors. If at all possible, go when there are fewer people at the range (i.e. weekdays). Standing adjacent to a lane where someone is shooting a 12 gauge or high-power rifle cartridge (.30-06, .30
indoors is a very unpleasant experience. Let your range neighbors know what you're doing.
Expect indoor ranges to have restrictions on what you can shoot w/ your 12 gauge, what you can shoot at (larger targets are usually required), and minimum distances your target has to be downrange. Bring both ear plugs and earmuffs. You'll need them for the blast and noise a 12 gauge produces indoors. If at all possible, go when there are fewer people at the range (i.e. weekdays). Standing adjacent to a lane where someone is shooting a 12 gauge or high-power rifle cartridge (.30-06, .30
indoors is a very unpleasant experience. Let your range neighbors know what you're doing.Posted by: Ed L at January 14, 2024 07:31 PM (yRXSd)
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I just read that Illinois has had a 1% compliance rate on whatever the new law is requiring people to register their ARs.
Posted by: Nikki Haley knows the parties switched sides at January 14, 2024 07:31 PM (ZOKOE)
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Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 14, 2024 07:13 PM (2yu8s)
Looks to me like he blew up the gas tube. That burning plastic fore-end, and it set off un-ignited gas in the tube, which went kablooie. It does not look like the barrel blew up.
Looks to me like he blew up the gas tube. That burning plastic fore-end, and it set off un-ignited gas in the tube, which went kablooie. It does not look like the barrel blew up.
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 07:31 PM (32nmx)
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I've seen other guys on EweTube melting down full autos, with the same results. One guy made his subsequent vids while wearing a leather apron and a welding mask.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at January 14, 2024 07:30 PM (yWvc2)
Yeah, that was IraqVeteran. Melting down guns always seemed like such a waste to me, though.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at January 14, 2024 07:30 PM (yWvc2)
Yeah, that was IraqVeteran. Melting down guns always seemed like such a waste to me, though.
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 07:31 PM (H5IZ1)
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But, yeah, the Legion P226.
So one of things they are pushing is an SAO version. Honest Outlaw reviewed one and he likes it. Says it makes it more like a 1911.
It's available in DA/SA, also. But Cabela's, for example, only carries the SAO.
I think I probably want the DA/SA as that is what I am used to, and I like that functionality even though I never shoot DA. Anyone have any thoughts on either/or?
So one of things they are pushing is an SAO version. Honest Outlaw reviewed one and he likes it. Says it makes it more like a 1911.
It's available in DA/SA, also. But Cabela's, for example, only carries the SAO.
I think I probably want the DA/SA as that is what I am used to, and I like that functionality even though I never shoot DA. Anyone have any thoughts on either/or?
Posted by: blaster at January 14, 2024 07:31 PM (IFNME)
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Re: red dots on carry guns
To me, why would you?
You've got no time to turn it on when you need it.
Iron sites don't need batteries
To me, why would you?
You've got no time to turn it on when you need it.
Iron sites don't need batteries
Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2024 07:32 PM (GB0ku)
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the one that interests me the most is the 12 gauge. can i take that to a range? or should that just be the 9mm?
thanks
Posted by: DenverGregg
A regular range probably won't be amenable to a shotgun but you can find a sporting clays facility to try it out once checked out
thanks
Posted by: DenverGregg
A regular range probably won't be amenable to a shotgun but you can find a sporting clays facility to try it out once checked out
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 14, 2024 07:33 PM (88Syn)
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66 ... "btw the heirloom is a winchester 1894 given to my grandfather about 1906 and to my dad about 1934. according to the serial number it was made in 1897"
Make sure it is rated for smokeless powder, not black powder only.
Make sure it is rated for smokeless powder, not black powder only.
Posted by: JTB at January 14, 2024 07:33 PM (zudum)
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83 Posted by: Ed L at January 14, 2024 07:31 PM
I believe if I wanted to, I could shoot my rifle (.30 at the indoor range I go to.
If I did, the people to the left and right of me would be giving me dirty looks as I have a muzzle break on mine.
That is why I use only outdoors and warn people that set up on benches to either side of me.
I believe if I wanted to, I could shoot my rifle (.30
at the indoor range I go to.
If I did, the people to the left and right of me would be giving me dirty looks as I have a muzzle break on mine.
That is why I use only outdoors and warn people that set up on benches to either side of me.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:34 PM (f0/sc)
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Probably figured I was just another demented old geezer.
Well, that's true...
Posted by: mindful webworker - bullseye at January 14, 2024 07:29 PM (BmwFL)
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Demented old geezers who've forgotten more about computers, guns and life in general, than the kid will probably ever know.
Well, that's true...
Posted by: mindful webworker - bullseye at January 14, 2024 07:29 PM (BmwFL)
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Demented old geezers who've forgotten more about computers, guns and life in general, than the kid will probably ever know.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 07:34 PM (tT6L1)
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You've got no time to turn it on when you need it.
Iron sites don't need batteries
Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2024 07:32 PM (GB0ku)
I have a P365XL with optic installed as EDC. The sight is essentially always on. And it has iron sights that work if the dot doesn't.
Iron sites don't need batteries
Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2024 07:32 PM (GB0ku)
I have a P365XL with optic installed as EDC. The sight is essentially always on. And it has iron sights that work if the dot doesn't.
Posted by: blaster at January 14, 2024 07:35 PM (IFNME)
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A regular range probably won't be amenable to a shotgun but you can find a sporting clays facility to try it out once checked out
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 14, 2024 07:33 PM (88Syn)
Yeah, the outdoor ranges I used to go to down south didn't like shotguns because buck/birdshot would absolutely shred the plywood target boards. Like Tom said: Find a trap range or something. Or a friend who owns some land you can go out there and test fire on.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 14, 2024 07:33 PM (88Syn)
Yeah, the outdoor ranges I used to go to down south didn't like shotguns because buck/birdshot would absolutely shred the plywood target boards. Like Tom said: Find a trap range or something. Or a friend who owns some land you can go out there and test fire on.
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 07:35 PM (H5IZ1)
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Evening RMBS, have you made the trip north to get your scope mounted? Or is that place snowed in and not due to open until spring? LOL
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:07 PM
Not yet. I still have to decide what height rings I want. Imma make a few measurements tomorrow and give the folks at Ken Farrell a call.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:07 PM
Not yet. I still have to decide what height rings I want. Imma make a few measurements tomorrow and give the folks at Ken Farrell a call.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 14, 2024 07:36 PM (Wnv9h)
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Or use it to pay those people. How many former military or retired LEO's will be willing to do that job?
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There are plenty of concealed carry everyday nobody dads who would be willing to hang out at their kid's school, but they're not wanted because they're super dangerous for wanting to be involved in their children's lives and the good of the community.
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There are plenty of concealed carry everyday nobody dads who would be willing to hang out at their kid's school, but they're not wanted because they're super dangerous for wanting to be involved in their children's lives and the good of the community.
Posted by: Nikki Haley knows the parties switched sides at January 14, 2024 07:36 PM (ZOKOE)
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That is why I use only outdoors and warn people that set up on benches to either side of me.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:34 PM (f0/sc)
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16" barrel + muzzle brake + 30.06 = no one on the next bench.
That is why I use only outdoors and warn people that set up on benches to either side of me.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:34 PM (f0/sc)
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16" barrel + muzzle brake + 30.06 = no one on the next bench.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 07:36 PM (tT6L1)
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That is why I use only outdoors and warn people that set up on benches to either side of me.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:34 PM
Mine has no muzzle brake. I believe you described it as "concussive".
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:34 PM
Mine has no muzzle brake. I believe you described it as "concussive".
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 14, 2024 07:37 PM (Wnv9h)
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16" barrel + muzzle brake + 30.06 = no one on the next bench.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 07:36 PM (tT6L1)
Mosin Nagant + surplus Russian slave labor ammunition = FIREBALLS
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 07:36 PM (tT6L1)
Mosin Nagant + surplus Russian slave labor ammunition = FIREBALLS
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 07:37 PM (H5IZ1)
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A regular range probably won't be amenable to a shotgun but you can find a sporting clays facility to try it out once checked out
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 14, 2024 07:33 PM (88Syn)
Maybe. Our indoor range allows slugs and .00 buckshot only from shotguns.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at January 14, 2024 07:33 PM (88Syn)
Maybe. Our indoor range allows slugs and .00 buckshot only from shotguns.
Posted by: blaster at January 14, 2024 07:38 PM (IFNME)
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Even with your sights well-zeroed, there's still the human element.
Posted by: The Fourth Shot at January 14, 2024 07:38 PM (a3Q+t)
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Blaster - interesting to read your comments and would like to know what others think about the DA/SA question. The P320 is a different piece with different features, but is SA and similar in size. It is also a lot cheaper than the P226, so what's the price/value balance?
Posted by: TRex at January 14, 2024 07:38 PM (IQ6Gq)
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16" barrel + muzzle brake + 30.06 = no one on the next bench.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 07:36 PM
Or very cleared sinuses.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 07:36 PM
Or very cleared sinuses.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 14, 2024 07:38 PM (Wnv9h)
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 14, 2024 07:38 PM (2yu8s)
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Re: red dots on carry guns
To me, why would you?
You've got no time to turn it on when you need it.
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I think most today are shake to wake, so that the moment it's even slightly moved it's ready to go. The factory red dot on on my p365xl is that way.
To me, why would you?
You've got no time to turn it on when you need it.
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I think most today are shake to wake, so that the moment it's even slightly moved it's ready to go. The factory red dot on on my p365xl is that way.
Posted by: Nikki Haley knows the parties switched sides at January 14, 2024 07:38 PM (ZOKOE)
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88 You've got no time to turn it on when you need it.
Iron sites don't need batteries
Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2024 07:32 PM
Battery life on most red dots is supposed to be pretty good.
Mine is 20,000 hours.
And most handguns will still have iron sights on them.
Mine are suppressor high sights so I adjust the hold when using.
Iron sites don't need batteries
Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2024 07:32 PM
Battery life on most red dots is supposed to be pretty good.
Mine is 20,000 hours.
And most handguns will still have iron sights on them.
Mine are suppressor high sights so I adjust the hold when using.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:39 PM (f0/sc)
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By the way, ABC, people, ABC...Always Be Carrying.
What with the way the Junta has decided to bomb a few more civilians, and the number of military age men who've come across the border, I believe it's only a matter of time before something happens.
What with the way the Junta has decided to bomb a few more civilians, and the number of military age men who've come across the border, I believe it's only a matter of time before something happens.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 07:39 PM (tT6L1)
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Re: red dots on carry guns
To me, why would you?
You've got no time to turn it on when you need it.
Iron sites don't need batteries
Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2024 07:32 PM (GB0ku)
My Sig P365XL came with a red dot sight that has some kind of inertia switch, so it comes on when it's moving and shuts off when it is set down. Battery life is claimed to be 20,000 hours. Plus it has tall iron sights so you can aim even if the red dot is off or dead.
To me, why would you?
You've got no time to turn it on when you need it.
Iron sites don't need batteries
Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 14, 2024 07:32 PM (GB0ku)
My Sig P365XL came with a red dot sight that has some kind of inertia switch, so it comes on when it's moving and shuts off when it is set down. Battery life is claimed to be 20,000 hours. Plus it has tall iron sights so you can aim even if the red dot is off or dead.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at January 14, 2024 07:40 PM (yWvc2)
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There are plenty of concealed carry everyday nobody dads who would be willing to hang out at their kid's school, but they're not wanted because they're super dangerous for wanting to be involved in their children's lives and the good of the community.
Posted by: Nikki Haley knows the parties switched sides at January 14, 2024 07:36 PM (ZOKOE)
Pretty sure wanting your kid to not get shot is Toxic Masculinity or something.
That being said, on topic, if you were loading out school guards, what would your base kit be?
Posted by: Nikki Haley knows the parties switched sides at January 14, 2024 07:36 PM (ZOKOE)
Pretty sure wanting your kid to not get shot is Toxic Masculinity or something.
That being said, on topic, if you were loading out school guards, what would your base kit be?
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 07:40 PM (H5IZ1)
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Thanks for the red-dot commentary by Mas.
I've been searching for a front sight post on pistols for 30+ years, and have found it difficult to transition to the SIG red-dot on my P320/M18.
Glad I'm not alone. Red-dot on rifle/shotgun, no problem. BTDT.
Pistol, not so much.
I've been searching for a front sight post on pistols for 30+ years, and have found it difficult to transition to the SIG red-dot on my P320/M18.
Glad I'm not alone. Red-dot on rifle/shotgun, no problem. BTDT.
Pistol, not so much.
Posted by: Bones at January 14, 2024 07:40 PM (jg54c)
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Damnit, I was hoping those would be pencil skirts, not pencils.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 14, 2024 07:40 PM (8sMut)
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Mosin Nagant + surplus Russian slave labor ammunition = FIREBALLS
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 07:37 PM (H5IZ1)
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I've seen those, Very cool to see, though that ammo is probably murder on barrels.
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 07:37 PM (H5IZ1)
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I've seen those, Very cool to see, though that ammo is probably murder on barrels.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 07:41 PM (tT6L1)
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98 Mine has no muzzle brake. I believe you described it as "concussive".
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 14, 2024 07:37 PM
Did I? Interesting. Will revisit next time we are in NH.
Stand to the side of mine when I take a shot and tell me what you think. :-)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 14, 2024 07:37 PM
Did I? Interesting. Will revisit next time we are in NH.
Stand to the side of mine when I take a shot and tell me what you think. :-)
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:41 PM (f0/sc)
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That is why I use only outdoors and warn people that set up on benches to either side of me.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:34 PM (f0/sc)
The outdoor range in NC I went to had boxes set up, where your muzzle brake should go. It was supposed to direct the sound downrange. It also made it so you couldn't shoot standing at the bench.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:34 PM (f0/sc)
The outdoor range in NC I went to had boxes set up, where your muzzle brake should go. It was supposed to direct the sound downrange. It also made it so you couldn't shoot standing at the bench.
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 07:42 PM (32nmx)
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109 There are plenty of concealed carry everyday nobody dads who would be willing to hang out at their kid's school, but they're not wanted because they're super dangerous for wanting to be involved in their children's lives and the good of the community.
Posted by: Nikki Haley knows the parties switched sides at January 14, 2024 07:36 PM (ZOKOE)
I would have loved to conceal carry as a teacher.
Posted by: Nikki Haley knows the parties switched sides at January 14, 2024 07:36 PM (ZOKOE)
I would have loved to conceal carry as a teacher.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 14, 2024 07:42 PM (8sMut)
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"As a newby, anyone have any suggestions as to what reloading powder I should use for 38/357 and 40SW ?"
My suggestion is to go to the Hodgdon RDC (reloading data center) enter your case, the bullet you want to use and a list of suitable powders will pop up. They're generally listed fastest to slowest powders. Run a few powders through the calculator and compare loads, speed etc.
My suggestion is to go to the Hodgdon RDC (reloading data center) enter your case, the bullet you want to use and a list of suitable powders will pop up. They're generally listed fastest to slowest powders. Run a few powders through the calculator and compare loads, speed etc.
Posted by: ck at January 14, 2024 07:42 PM (ljHmZ)
Posted by: Ticonderoga #2 at January 14, 2024 07:42 PM (63Dwl)
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That being said, on topic, if you were loading out school guards, what would your base kit be?
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 07:40 PM (H5IZ1)
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SBR in 5.56 and and probably a Glock sidearm of some sort.
Trauma kits would be readily available, too.
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 07:40 PM (H5IZ1)
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SBR in 5.56 and and probably a Glock sidearm of some sort.
Trauma kits would be readily available, too.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 07:43 PM (tT6L1)
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I've seen those, Very cool to see, though that ammo is probably murder on barrels.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 07:41 PM (tT6L1)
Yeah, you have to swab it out when you finish shooting.
I guess when you're sending conscripts against MG42s, the barrel life is becomes less of a concern because the gun and the guy carrying it will almost certainly be dead before the rifling becomes a factor.
I've seen those, Very cool to see, though that ammo is probably murder on barrels.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 07:41 PM (tT6L1)
Yeah, you have to swab it out when you finish shooting.
I guess when you're sending conscripts against MG42s, the barrel life is becomes less of a concern because the gun and the guy carrying it will almost certainly be dead before the rifling becomes a factor.
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 07:43 PM (H5IZ1)
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>>> Get several loading manuals, not just one, for techniques and loading data. Fortunately, many powder makers have the info online. I still suggest having at least two reloading manuals.
The Lee manual is cheap, even in hardcover, and seems to have more loads and load data than any other manual.
If you are favoring a brand of bullets and/or powder you'll want their manual too because they will have all of their own products listed.
The Lee manual is cheap, even in hardcover, and seems to have more loads and load data than any other manual.
If you are favoring a brand of bullets and/or powder you'll want their manual too because they will have all of their own products listed.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at January 14, 2024 07:43 PM (cOq4q)
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111 Damnit, I was hoping those would be pencil skirts, not pencils.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 14, 2024 07:40 PM
Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing. ;-)
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at January 14, 2024 07:40 PM
Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing. ;-)
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:44 PM (f0/sc)
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Dragooned is a great word.
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So you're impressed?
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Posted by: andycanuck
Why yes, yes I am.
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So you're impressed?
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Posted by: andycanuck
Why yes, yes I am.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 14, 2024 07:44 PM (t/2Uw)
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That being said, on topic, if you were loading out school guards, what would your base kit be?
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 07:40 PM (H5IZ1)
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Oh yeah, red dot of some sort on the SBR. 50 yard zero.
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 07:40 PM (H5IZ1)
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Oh yeah, red dot of some sort on the SBR. 50 yard zero.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 07:45 PM (tT6L1)
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I just read that Illinois has had a 1% compliance rate on whatever the new law is requiring people to register their ARs.
Posted by: Nikki Haley knows
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Those stoopit, over-privileged 1-percenters!!!
"We are the 99%!"
Posted by: Nikki Haley knows
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Those stoopit, over-privileged 1-percenters!!!
"We are the 99%!"
Posted by: QJ (Lol, jimsnd great idea!) at January 14, 2024 07:45 PM (njWTi)
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Did I? Interesting. Will revisit next time we are in NH.
Stand to the side of mine when I take a shot and tell me what you think. :-)
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:41 PM
Muzzle brakes. Generally not fun. At least not for the guy next to you. Mine's just kind of an omnidirectional pimp slap.
Stand to the side of mine when I take a shot and tell me what you think. :-)
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:41 PM
Muzzle brakes. Generally not fun. At least not for the guy next to you. Mine's just kind of an omnidirectional pimp slap.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 14, 2024 07:45 PM (Wnv9h)
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Not necessarily an illegal conversion. There were some registered full auto 16s before the new machine gun ban.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at January 14, 2024 07:30 PM (yWvc2)
Concur. The owner of Hard Times Armory, who successfully challenged the Hughes Amendment until it was quashed (sound familiar?), J.D. Farmer, was cranking out M16s, Uzis, Stens and any other guns he could get his hands on right until the ban took effect.
My F/A M16 lower is an Olympic Arms AR lower converted by Hard Times in 1986. Not a lot of info out there on those fellas who did last minute conversions while battling the illegal nature of the machine gun ban. Which is kinda sad. Here is a link to good info on the man.
http://tinyurl.com/mry3cjr7
RIP J.D.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at January 14, 2024 07:30 PM (yWvc2)
Concur. The owner of Hard Times Armory, who successfully challenged the Hughes Amendment until it was quashed (sound familiar?), J.D. Farmer, was cranking out M16s, Uzis, Stens and any other guns he could get his hands on right until the ban took effect.
My F/A M16 lower is an Olympic Arms AR lower converted by Hard Times in 1986. Not a lot of info out there on those fellas who did last minute conversions while battling the illegal nature of the machine gun ban. Which is kinda sad. Here is a link to good info on the man.
http://tinyurl.com/mry3cjr7
RIP J.D.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 14, 2024 07:45 PM (R/m4+)
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That being said, on topic, if you were loading out school guards, what would your base kit be?
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 07:40 PM (H5IZ1)
Soft, concealed armor. Handgun in 9mm (for interchangeability, if you're providing the ammo). At least one range trip a month, and at least once through an advanced defensive handgun course (on top of anything required for a permit to carry). Zip-tie cuffs. Flashlight big enough to hit someone. and a trauma kit with lots of clotting powder/self-clotting bandages. And a cellphone that calls straight to 911 and the front office simultaneously.
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 07:40 PM (H5IZ1)
Soft, concealed armor. Handgun in 9mm (for interchangeability, if you're providing the ammo). At least one range trip a month, and at least once through an advanced defensive handgun course (on top of anything required for a permit to carry). Zip-tie cuffs. Flashlight big enough to hit someone. and a trauma kit with lots of clotting powder/self-clotting bandages. And a cellphone that calls straight to 911 and the front office simultaneously.
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 07:46 PM (32nmx)
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I guess when you're sending conscripts against MG42s, the barrel life is becomes less of a concern because the gun and the guy carrying it will almost certainly be dead before the rifling becomes a factor.
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 07:43 PM (H5IZ1)
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If memory serves, only the first wave had rifles. The second wave had to get their rifles off the dead.
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 07:43 PM (H5IZ1)
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If memory serves, only the first wave had rifles. The second wave had to get their rifles off the dead.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 07:46 PM (tT6L1)
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79 24 ... "As a newby, anyone have any suggestions as to what reloading powder I should use for 38/357 and 40SW ?"
It depends on what you are using them for. A powder suitable for very light target loads, like 38 special 148 grain wadcutters, won't be appropriate for heavier bullets and faster velocities. Get several loading manuals, not just one, for techniques and loading data. Fortunately, many powder makers have the info online. I still suggest having at least two reloading manuals.
PS: On the thread we can discuss specific powders but not the charge weights. Caution and liability.
Being a an ol' guy, and simple minded, a 135 gr JHP in.40 SW seems good. Leaning towards WSF or W231. Just want versatility. Thought it would work ok in 38/357 ?
It depends on what you are using them for. A powder suitable for very light target loads, like 38 special 148 grain wadcutters, won't be appropriate for heavier bullets and faster velocities. Get several loading manuals, not just one, for techniques and loading data. Fortunately, many powder makers have the info online. I still suggest having at least two reloading manuals.
PS: On the thread we can discuss specific powders but not the charge weights. Caution and liability.
Being a an ol' guy, and simple minded, a 135 gr JHP in.40 SW seems good. Leaning towards WSF or W231. Just want versatility. Thought it would work ok in 38/357 ?
Posted by: John Boeve at January 14, 2024 07:47 PM (Ss67U)
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I just read that Illinois has had a 1% compliance rate on whatever the new law is requiring people to register their ARs.
Posted by: Nikki Haley knows
How do they know that?
I think all the ARs in Illinois are registered. Show me proof that they aren't!
Posted by: Nikki Haley knows
How do they know that?
I think all the ARs in Illinois are registered. Show me proof that they aren't!
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 07:47 PM (H5IZ1)
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118 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 07:43 PM
Speaking as someone who has no military or LEO background, would you not want a bullet that would have less of a chance of going through the bad person's body and potentially hitting an innocent?
So maybe equip with handguns filled with hollow points and if the SRHTF a rifle in the configuration you mentioned.
Speaking as someone who has no military or LEO background, would you not want a bullet that would have less of a chance of going through the bad person's body and potentially hitting an innocent?
So maybe equip with handguns filled with hollow points and if the SRHTF a rifle in the configuration you mentioned.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:48 PM (f0/sc)
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Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 07:39 PM (tT6L1)
Just started reading Kurt Schlichter's new novel, "The Attack", and that's the scenario. Scary stuff.
Just started reading Kurt Schlichter's new novel, "The Attack", and that's the scenario. Scary stuff.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at January 14, 2024 07:49 PM (PWe8a)
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>>> That ruling also set up a new test for judging firearms laws, stating that such legal restrictions should be consistent with the country’s historical tradition of firearms regulation.
Postal worker Emmanuel Ayala was indicted by the United States on charges of violating Section 930(a) of the U.S. Code, which regulates the possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in federal facilities. Mr. Ayala argued that the law is “unconstitutional as applied to him” since historical records don’t support a law banning firearms in post offices.
Historical records would probably show most post offices were also the dry goods store, barber shop, and deputy's substation (chair between the pickle barrel and cracker barrel).
Postal worker Emmanuel Ayala was indicted by the United States on charges of violating Section 930(a) of the U.S. Code, which regulates the possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in federal facilities. Mr. Ayala argued that the law is “unconstitutional as applied to him” since historical records don’t support a law banning firearms in post offices.
Historical records would probably show most post offices were also the dry goods store, barber shop, and deputy's substation (chair between the pickle barrel and cracker barrel).
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at January 14, 2024 07:49 PM (cOq4q)
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The P320 is a different piece with different features, but is SA and similar in size. It is also a lot cheaper than the P226, so what's the price/value balance?
Posted by: TRex at January 14, 2024 07:38 PM (IQ6Gq)
Beware - a rabbit hole beckons.
A P320 is not single action, it is striker fired. Like the P365. (EXPECT DISCUSSION TO ENSUE).
But functionally it acts like single action. Striker fired guns typically have a heavier trigger than single action guns. The 320 is also polymer framed vs all metal. And people do not love the 320 the way they love the 226.
A P320 Legion RXP is half the price of the P226 Legion RXP. The P226 has some history and reputation and Sig has made it their top of the line gun.
Posted by: TRex at January 14, 2024 07:38 PM (IQ6Gq)
Beware - a rabbit hole beckons.
A P320 is not single action, it is striker fired. Like the P365. (EXPECT DISCUSSION TO ENSUE).
But functionally it acts like single action. Striker fired guns typically have a heavier trigger than single action guns. The 320 is also polymer framed vs all metal. And people do not love the 320 the way they love the 226.
A P320 Legion RXP is half the price of the P226 Legion RXP. The P226 has some history and reputation and Sig has made it their top of the line gun.
Posted by: blaster at January 14, 2024 07:49 PM (IFNME)
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At least one range trip a month, and at least once through an advanced defensive handgun course (on top of anything required for a permit to carry).
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 07:46 PM (32nmx)
Good point. I would add 'The ability to draw the school floor plan from memory'.
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 07:46 PM (32nmx)
Good point. I would add 'The ability to draw the school floor plan from memory'.
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 07:50 PM (H5IZ1)
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I thought gub terminology was difficult. Pencil grading is even more complicated.
Posted by: TRex at January 14, 2024 07:50 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Whew thank God for the washing machine symphony. I needed that after the pencil guy..
Posted by: I'm Gumby Damn It! at January 14, 2024 07:51 PM (9L4BR)
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Independent commenting at will
Posted by: Skip at January 14, 2024 07:51 PM (fwDg9)
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No idea how could comment by rank or files
Posted by: Skip at January 14, 2024 07:52 PM (fwDg9)
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How do you dispose of live ammo that is maybe defective??? I have some 9mm that is very obviously shorter than it should be...
Posted by: lin-duh at January 14, 2024 07:52 PM (a5Jsm)
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I will admit I really like DA/SA. Even in a semi-auto. You have the ability to leave it hammer down or hammer back, and still get the first shot off with one squeeze.
I also like SAO in a 1911.
I also like SAO in a 1911.
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 07:52 PM (32nmx)
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>>> 127 That being said, on topic, if you were loading out school guards, what would your base kit be?
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 07:40 PM (H5IZ1)
Soft, concealed armor. Handgun in 9mm (for interchangeability, if you're providing the ammo). At least one range trip a month, and at least once through an advanced defensive handgun course (on top of anything required for a permit to carry). Zip-tie cuffs. Flashlight big enough to hit someone. and a trauma kit with lots of clotting powder/self-clotting bandages. And a cellphone that calls straight to 911 and the front office simultaneously.
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 07:46 PM (32nmx)
Add a pointy end to the flashlight:
https://bustacap.net/
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 07:40 PM (H5IZ1)
Soft, concealed armor. Handgun in 9mm (for interchangeability, if you're providing the ammo). At least one range trip a month, and at least once through an advanced defensive handgun course (on top of anything required for a permit to carry). Zip-tie cuffs. Flashlight big enough to hit someone. and a trauma kit with lots of clotting powder/self-clotting bandages. And a cellphone that calls straight to 911 and the front office simultaneously.
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 07:46 PM (32nmx)
Add a pointy end to the flashlight:
https://bustacap.net/
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 14, 2024 07:53 PM (llON8)
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So maybe equip with handguns filled with hollow points and if the SRHTF a rifle in the configuration you mentioned.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:48 PM (f0/sc)
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I should have mentioned I believe the people running these with these kits need to spend some time on the range before they take up their stations.
If you're engaging a bad guy down a school hall, a handgun just isn't going to cut it. Same if the bad guy is in a courtyard or cutting across a field. An SBR in 5.56 is relatively easy to handle and will give needed accuracy out to a distance which is very difficult to achieve with just a handgun.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:48 PM (f0/sc)
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I should have mentioned I believe the people running these with these kits need to spend some time on the range before they take up their stations.
If you're engaging a bad guy down a school hall, a handgun just isn't going to cut it. Same if the bad guy is in a courtyard or cutting across a field. An SBR in 5.56 is relatively easy to handle and will give needed accuracy out to a distance which is very difficult to achieve with just a handgun.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 07:53 PM (tT6L1)
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Evening, folk! I normally don't get a chance to visit the Gun Thread; I don't look at the computer on evenings before I have to go to work. Perceived wisdom is that the light can interfere with sleep -- the last thing I need. But I'm off tomorrow, so all the rules are suspended!
My question: There will be a gun show this upcoming weekend in my vicinity. It's been years since I've been to one, and am not sure. Will there be gun dealers there, i.e., one with actual storefronts? Or is it mostly collectors and enthusiasts buying and selling?
If I were interested in buying a handgun from a vendor, how can I be sure I'm getting a gun that actually works? It's not like I can try the gun out right there like you can a used car. Yes, I plan to visit one of the ranges here and get in some range time with a rental or three to see what suits me. But when I'm ready to buy at a gun show, then what?
My question: There will be a gun show this upcoming weekend in my vicinity. It's been years since I've been to one, and am not sure. Will there be gun dealers there, i.e., one with actual storefronts? Or is it mostly collectors and enthusiasts buying and selling?
If I were interested in buying a handgun from a vendor, how can I be sure I'm getting a gun that actually works? It's not like I can try the gun out right there like you can a used car. Yes, I plan to visit one of the ranges here and get in some range time with a rental or three to see what suits me. But when I'm ready to buy at a gun show, then what?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 14, 2024 07:53 PM (omVj0)
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How do you dispose of live ammo that is maybe defective??? I have some 9mm that is very obviously shorter than it should be...
Posted by: lin-duh at January 14, 2024 07:52 PM (a5Jsm)
Based on previous discussions, pull the bullet and dump the powder, and hand off everything to someone who reloads.
Posted by: lin-duh at January 14, 2024 07:52 PM (a5Jsm)
Based on previous discussions, pull the bullet and dump the powder, and hand off everything to someone who reloads.
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 07:53 PM (32nmx)
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How do you dispose of live ammo that is maybe defective??? I have some 9mm that is very obviously shorter than it should be...
Posted by: lin-duh at January 14, 2024 07:52 PM (a5Jsm)
Is it actually 9mm Luger? There's like five different cartridges out there that are called '9mm'.
Posted by: lin-duh at January 14, 2024 07:52 PM (a5Jsm)
Is it actually 9mm Luger? There's like five different cartridges out there that are called '9mm'.
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 07:53 PM (H5IZ1)
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132 Just started reading Kurt Schlichter's new novel, "The Attack", and that's the scenario. Scary stuff.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at January 14, 2024 07:49 PM
Finished the book the other day. Where I live might be one of those neighborhoods they would attack on the 2nd day even though there is a "Muslim Community Center" down the block from me.
Makes me think about wearing my Sig in a holster when I am at home.
Posted by: That SOB Van Owen at January 14, 2024 07:49 PM
Finished the book the other day. Where I live might be one of those neighborhoods they would attack on the 2nd day even though there is a "Muslim Community Center" down the block from me.
Makes me think about wearing my Sig in a holster when I am at home.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:54 PM (f0/sc)
Posted by: andycanuck (2yu8s) at January 14, 2024 07:54 PM (2yu8s)
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Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 07:40 PM (H5IZ1)
On a budget, or is money no object? If money is no object, my choice is the H&K MP5K-PDW equipped w/ the folding Choate stock, H&K vertical foregrip, Aimpoint or equivalent RDS, 15 round magazine in the weapon and two 30 round magazines as reloads. With the stock folded and using 15 round magazines, this setup is concealable under a jacket or suit. The H&K MP5 is an inherently accurate firearm (2" groups at 25 yards are doable), and the RDS aids quick, accurate shots. Those who got the opportunity to shoot Weasel Buddy Jeff's MP5K-PDW in TX in 2022 know firsthand how accurate and controllable his setup (mostly identical to that spelled out above) can be, even in a first timer's hands. Outfits that do VIP protection for a living (USSS, Scotland Yard Metropolitan Police, SAS, etc.) use the MP5K-PDW for a reason.
On a budget, or is money no object? If money is no object, my choice is the H&K MP5K-PDW equipped w/ the folding Choate stock, H&K vertical foregrip, Aimpoint or equivalent RDS, 15 round magazine in the weapon and two 30 round magazines as reloads. With the stock folded and using 15 round magazines, this setup is concealable under a jacket or suit. The H&K MP5 is an inherently accurate firearm (2" groups at 25 yards are doable), and the RDS aids quick, accurate shots. Those who got the opportunity to shoot Weasel Buddy Jeff's MP5K-PDW in TX in 2022 know firsthand how accurate and controllable his setup (mostly identical to that spelled out above) can be, even in a first timer's hands. Outfits that do VIP protection for a living (USSS, Scotland Yard Metropolitan Police, SAS, etc.) use the MP5K-PDW for a reason.
Posted by: Ed L at January 14, 2024 07:55 PM (yRXSd)
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Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 07:53 PM (tT6L1)
I hear ya, blake. I wasn't sure we were going with full school resource officer kit. I was thinking in terms of concerned dad. I don't think he's going to be patrolling the halls like a SRO would be, nor will he be shooting across a field.
I hear ya, blake. I wasn't sure we were going with full school resource officer kit. I was thinking in terms of concerned dad. I don't think he's going to be patrolling the halls like a SRO would be, nor will he be shooting across a field.
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 07:55 PM (32nmx)
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134 The P226 has some history and reputation and Sig has made it their top of the line gun.
Posted by: blaster at January 14, 2024 07:49 PM
I love my P226. Really tempting to take the Sig armorer course so I can learn how to REALLY take it down
Posted by: blaster at January 14, 2024 07:49 PM
I love my P226. Really tempting to take the Sig armorer course so I can learn how to REALLY take it down
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:55 PM (f0/sc)
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 14, 2024 07:56 PM (t/2Uw)
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If I were interested in buying a handgun from a vendor, how can I be sure I'm getting a gun that actually works? It's not like I can try the gun out right there like you can a used car. Yes, I plan to visit one of the ranges here and get in some range time with a rental or three to see what suits me. But when I'm ready to buy at a gun show, then what?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
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Take a friend if you can, but otherwise you'd be shocked at how honest folks are at gun shows. If something seems too good to be true it probably is, but know what you're interested in and learn a little bit about it before going to look. Know what a fair price is to both avoid traps and getting ripped off.
I'd probably be more comfortable buying from a table at a gun show than a lot of pawn shops, frankly.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
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Take a friend if you can, but otherwise you'd be shocked at how honest folks are at gun shows. If something seems too good to be true it probably is, but know what you're interested in and learn a little bit about it before going to look. Know what a fair price is to both avoid traps and getting ripped off.
I'd probably be more comfortable buying from a table at a gun show than a lot of pawn shops, frankly.
Posted by: Nikki Haley - DeSantis is losing to Nikki and it's Trump's fault at January 14, 2024 07:57 PM (/TehT)
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Take the $$$ that we have sent to Ukraine and use 10% of that money to train and equip people who are willing to protect children in school.
Or use it to pay those people. How many former military or retired LEO's will be willing to do that job?
*****
Amen
Or use it to pay those people. How many former military or retired LEO's will be willing to do that job?
*****
Amen
Posted by: Grateful at January 14, 2024 07:57 PM (IQ6Gq)
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140 Posted by: lin-duh at January 14, 2024 07:52 PM
Evening lin-duh!!! I will leave that question to ones more knowledgeable than I.
How is the spawn doing?
Evening lin-duh!!! I will leave that question to ones more knowledgeable than I.
How is the spawn doing?
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 07:57 PM (f0/sc)
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By the way, I just looked up the San Bernardino shooting. Curiously, the attack is now deemed a terrorist attack.
Huh, imagine that.
So, naturally, because terrorists shot up a government office, CA decided to disarm regular citizens.
Huh, imagine that.
So, naturally, because terrorists shot up a government office, CA decided to disarm regular citizens.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 07:57 PM (tT6L1)
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How do you dispose of live ammo that is maybe defective??? I have some 9mm that is very obviously shorter than it should be...
Posted by: lin-duh at January 14, 2024 07:52 PM (a5Jsm)
Is it actually 9mm Luger? There's like five different cartridges out there that are called '9mm'.
Posted by: Vanya
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Yes it is. I bought a case of range ammo and a some of the boxes had a few of these shorter rounds.
Posted by: lin-duh at January 14, 2024 07:52 PM (a5Jsm)
Is it actually 9mm Luger? There's like five different cartridges out there that are called '9mm'.
Posted by: Vanya
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Yes it is. I bought a case of range ammo and a some of the boxes had a few of these shorter rounds.
Posted by: lin-duh at January 14, 2024 07:57 PM (a5Jsm)
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Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 14, 2024 07:53 PM (omVj0)
If it's like the ones I used to go to in Louisiana, there will be:
-Guys selling garbage tier WWII Milsurp that should be melted down for scrap
-People selling trying Cordura tacticool garbage you will never need or use
-People selling ammo at market price plus 20 percent
-ARs in idiot calibers and configurations no sane person wants
-One weirdo selling knockoff Bowie knives and other associated BS
-And like 3 people selling sensible guns you might want.
If it's like the ones I used to go to in Louisiana, there will be:
-Guys selling garbage tier WWII Milsurp that should be melted down for scrap
-People selling trying Cordura tacticool garbage you will never need or use
-People selling ammo at market price plus 20 percent
-ARs in idiot calibers and configurations no sane person wants
-One weirdo selling knockoff Bowie knives and other associated BS
-And like 3 people selling sensible guns you might want.
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 07:58 PM (H5IZ1)
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Hey scuba! Spawn is good. She has a competition coming up Saturday. We'll see how she performs in the bitter cold...
Posted by: lin-duh at January 14, 2024 07:59 PM (a5Jsm)
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If I were interested in buying a handgun from a vendor, how can I be sure I'm getting a gun that actually works?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 14, 2024 07:53 PM (omVj0)
Ask if he has some snap caps so you can dry fire. If not (and it's centerfire) ask if you can dry fire without them. Just be a good gunner and don't sight on anyone in the place.
Also, get a card from the guy. If he doesn't have one, then I'm less inclined.
As to "dealers" vs private sales - most of the folks at a gun show will be FFLs if they're selling guns. They sell enough to get in trouble with the law if they aren't. But there will be individuals mixed in, as well.
Buying? Everywhere requires the FLLs to run a NICS, and most places with shows will require individual sellers to also use a NICS setup at the show.
I'll let the DMV MGC weigh in, though, as they do a LOT of gun shows.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 14, 2024 07:53 PM (omVj0)
Ask if he has some snap caps so you can dry fire. If not (and it's centerfire) ask if you can dry fire without them. Just be a good gunner and don't sight on anyone in the place.
Also, get a card from the guy. If he doesn't have one, then I'm less inclined.
As to "dealers" vs private sales - most of the folks at a gun show will be FFLs if they're selling guns. They sell enough to get in trouble with the law if they aren't. But there will be individuals mixed in, as well.
Buying? Everywhere requires the FLLs to run a NICS, and most places with shows will require individual sellers to also use a NICS setup at the show.
I'll let the DMV MGC weigh in, though, as they do a LOT of gun shows.
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 08:00 PM (32nmx)
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I hear ya, blake. I wasn't sure we were going with full school resource officer kit. I was thinking in terms of concerned dad. I don't think he's going to be patrolling the halls like a SRO would be, nor will he be shooting across a field.
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 07:55 PM (32nmx)
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Well, I think if you're a concerned dad, you need to go all in. I see what you're saying and that's a good point. I worry, though, that with the threats which are streaming across the border, concerned dad carrying a handgun might be a bit of a half measure.
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 07:55 PM (32nmx)
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Well, I think if you're a concerned dad, you need to go all in. I see what you're saying and that's a good point. I worry, though, that with the threats which are streaming across the border, concerned dad carrying a handgun might be a bit of a half measure.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 08:00 PM (tT6L1)
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Is it actually 9mm Luger? There's like five different cartridges out there that are called '9mm'.
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 07:53 PM
Actually, there are 22 pistol cartridges, and 12 revolver cartridges that use a 9mm bullet.
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 07:53 PM
Actually, there are 22 pistol cartridges, and 12 revolver cartridges that use a 9mm bullet.
Posted by: Wesley Crusher at January 14, 2024 08:00 PM (a3Q+t)
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Hey scuba! Spawn is good. She has a competition coming up Saturday. We'll see how she performs in the bitter cold...
Posted by: lin-duh at January 14, 2024 07:59 PM (a5Jsm)
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Give Spawn my best and I hope to see her shoot again in Oct!
Posted by: lin-duh at January 14, 2024 07:59 PM (a5Jsm)
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Give Spawn my best and I hope to see her shoot again in Oct!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 08:01 PM (tT6L1)
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After our last range session, I couldn't stop thinking about the P226. We spent several days texting back and forth and emailiing asking questions, looking at different sites, comparing prices. It is pretty amazing the process. When all is said and done, I feel like I know a bit more about what I want to do. Next step is to attend the next gun show and try and handle one so I know it will be comfortable in my hand. Next show i s early February.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 14, 2024 08:02 PM (t/2Uw)
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Take a friend if you can, but otherwise you'd be shocked at how honest folks are at gun shows. If something seems too good to be true it probably is, but know what you're interested in and learn a little bit about it before going to look. Know what a fair price is to both avoid traps and getting ripped off.
I'd probably be more comfortable buying from a table at a gun show than a lot of pawn shops, frankly.
Posted by: Nikki Haley - DeSantis is losing to Nikki and it's Trump's fault at January 14, 2024
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I'd never considered going to a pawn shop for a gun. That's, to me, like going to Fred's Used Cars (We Finance!) to look at a BMW. Unh-unh.
Years ago I had a buddy who was very much into handguns. His bedroom closet I dubbed "The Guns of All Nations Exhibit." We did some range time every now and then. I'd have asked him to go with me to a gun show long ago -- but he died in a motorcycle accident back in '08. I don't know anybody else who's into firearms.
I'd probably be more comfortable buying from a table at a gun show than a lot of pawn shops, frankly.
Posted by: Nikki Haley - DeSantis is losing to Nikki and it's Trump's fault at January 14, 2024
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I'd never considered going to a pawn shop for a gun. That's, to me, like going to Fred's Used Cars (We Finance!) to look at a BMW. Unh-unh.
Years ago I had a buddy who was very much into handguns. His bedroom closet I dubbed "The Guns of All Nations Exhibit." We did some range time every now and then. I'd have asked him to go with me to a gun show long ago -- but he died in a motorcycle accident back in '08. I don't know anybody else who's into firearms.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 14, 2024 08:02 PM (omVj0)
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If at all possible, go when there are fewer people at the range (i.e. weekdays). Standing adjacent to a lane where someone is shooting a 12 gauge or high-power rifle cartridge (.30-06, .30 indoors is a very unpleasant experience. Let your range neighbors know what you're doing.
Posted by: Ed L
FWIW - Indoor ranges vary a lot on what they allow. One here allows only new ammo and they check it all going in. Also, no magnetic, cases or AP cores.
But, they do have two ranges, one handgun, one rifle/shotgun. 30 cal max, not sure about shotguns.
And you have to leave your empty caes/hulls.
Posted by: Ed L
FWIW - Indoor ranges vary a lot on what they allow. One here allows only new ammo and they check it all going in. Also, no magnetic, cases or AP cores.
But, they do have two ranges, one handgun, one rifle/shotgun. 30 cal max, not sure about shotguns.
And you have to leave your empty caes/hulls.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at January 14, 2024 08:03 PM (cOq4q)
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Ask if he has some snap caps so you can dry fire. If not (and it's centerfire) ask if you can dry fire without them. Just be a good gunner and don't sight on anyone in the place.
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That's a good idea and maybe worth ordering a few to have in your pocket so you've got some on hand.
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That's a good idea and maybe worth ordering a few to have in your pocket so you've got some on hand.
Posted by: Nikki Haley - DeSantis is losing to Nikki and it's Trump's fault at January 14, 2024 08:03 PM (/TehT)
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If it's like the ones I used to go to in Louisiana, there will be:
-Guys selling garbage tier WWII Milsurp that should be melted down for scrap
-People selling trying Cordura tacticool garbage you will never need or use
-People selling ammo at market price plus 20 percent
-ARs in idiot calibers and configurations no sane person wants
-One weirdo selling knockoff Bowie knives and other associated BS
-And like 3 people selling sensible guns you might want.
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024
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Exactly what I'm afraid of.
-Guys selling garbage tier WWII Milsurp that should be melted down for scrap
-People selling trying Cordura tacticool garbage you will never need or use
-People selling ammo at market price plus 20 percent
-ARs in idiot calibers and configurations no sane person wants
-One weirdo selling knockoff Bowie knives and other associated BS
-And like 3 people selling sensible guns you might want.
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024
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Exactly what I'm afraid of.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 14, 2024 08:04 PM (omVj0)
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159 We'll see how she performs in the bitter cold...
Posted by: lin-duh at January 14, 2024 07:59 PM
Yikes!! Colder where you are than where I am. Let's keep it that way! LOL
Good luck to her!! And there was something I forgot to mention when she was shooting at the 1,000 yard target with my rifle. The magnification on my scope at that time was way back around 15x. My scope goes to 24x. She was able to hit the target with such a small view of the target in the scope. Awesome eyesight.
Posted by: lin-duh at January 14, 2024 07:59 PM
Yikes!! Colder where you are than where I am. Let's keep it that way! LOL
Good luck to her!! And there was something I forgot to mention when she was shooting at the 1,000 yard target with my rifle. The magnification on my scope at that time was way back around 15x. My scope goes to 24x. She was able to hit the target with such a small view of the target in the scope. Awesome eyesight.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 08:05 PM (f0/sc)
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-And like 3 people selling sensible guns you might want.
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 07:58 PM (H5IZ1)
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What are your thoughts on a gun show with vendor selling an AR pattern rifle in 408 Cheytac?
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 07:58 PM (H5IZ1)
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What are your thoughts on a gun show with vendor selling an AR pattern rifle in 408 Cheytac?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 08:05 PM (tT6L1)
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Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 14, 2024 07:53 PM (omVj0)
Most of the bigger storefront operations will show up at a gun show. That guy setting up a couple of dozen tables with a sea of brand-new Glocks, SIGs, and everything else under the sun isn't a collector or gun enthusiast. You can expect the competition to be keen; after all, anyone can just wander over to check out what the competition's prices are. Take your time to shop around and recon everyone's prices BEFORE you plunk down you hard earned $$.
Most of the bigger storefront operations will show up at a gun show. That guy setting up a couple of dozen tables with a sea of brand-new Glocks, SIGs, and everything else under the sun isn't a collector or gun enthusiast. You can expect the competition to be keen; after all, anyone can just wander over to check out what the competition's prices are. Take your time to shop around and recon everyone's prices BEFORE you plunk down you hard earned $$.
Posted by: Ed L at January 14, 2024 08:06 PM (yRXSd)
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Posted by: Ed L at January 14, 2024 07:55 PM (yRXSd)
Given how much we pay in taxes to support this system they could at least buy good guns.
https://hk-usa.com/hk-models/mp5k-pdw/
I ask the thread: Why does this guy have camo paint on, under his goggles and balaclava, in broad daylight? My brother in Christ, we can see you.
Given how much we pay in taxes to support this system they could at least buy good guns.
https://hk-usa.com/hk-models/mp5k-pdw/
I ask the thread: Why does this guy have camo paint on, under his goggles and balaclava, in broad daylight? My brother in Christ, we can see you.
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 08:06 PM (H5IZ1)
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I want an M1.
Posted by: Eromero at January 14, 2024 08:06 PM (NxC5+)
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I worry, though, that with the threats which are streaming across the border, concerned dad carrying a handgun might be a bit of a half measure.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 08:00 PM (tT6L1)
I won't argue with that. You're going to get more pushback with the AWFLs if you're toting around "an M-16", though. But that's a practical political issue, not a "desired loadout" one.
Of course, I would just allow teachers and other school folks carry if they have a permit*, and let the bad guy figure out how many of them will shoot him if he tries to pull something.
And let the school rifle team take him out if he's doing the tree line thing and sniping at the school.
(* Basically remove theSitting Ducks Gun Free Zone signs, and let anyone legally carry.)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 08:00 PM (tT6L1)
I won't argue with that. You're going to get more pushback with the AWFLs if you're toting around "an M-16", though. But that's a practical political issue, not a "desired loadout" one.
Of course, I would just allow teachers and other school folks carry if they have a permit*, and let the bad guy figure out how many of them will shoot him if he tries to pull something.
And let the school rifle team take him out if he's doing the tree line thing and sniping at the school.
(* Basically remove the
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 08:07 PM (32nmx)
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What are your thoughts on a gun show with vendor selling an AR pattern rifle in 408 Cheytac?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 08:05 PM (tT6L1)
Paging PT Barnum... to the white courtesy phone, please...
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 08:05 PM (tT6L1)
Paging PT Barnum... to the white courtesy phone, please...
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 08:08 PM (H5IZ1)
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Pawn Shops are a great resource for firearms and ammo.
Get to know the owner or manager, tell them what your looking for and buy something to show your not full of BS. After a while you'll gain a new resource for firearms and ammo and you will be surprised what comes in the door of some shops. Lots of smooth brains out there buy because they played "Call Of Doodie" and then find out they don't know Shit from Shinola and their mommas make them sell the bang sticks.
Get to know the owner or manager, tell them what your looking for and buy something to show your not full of BS. After a while you'll gain a new resource for firearms and ammo and you will be surprised what comes in the door of some shops. Lots of smooth brains out there buy because they played "Call Of Doodie" and then find out they don't know Shit from Shinola and their mommas make them sell the bang sticks.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 14, 2024 08:08 PM (R/m4+)
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 08:08 PM (f0/sc)
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Exactly what I'm afraid of.
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That's a pretty accurate distilled-down description, but they're still fun to go to.
Something else to consider is not to rush into anything and visit two or three gun dealers in your area. You'll get different "vibes" off of each of them, and you can go from there. I've got one I like where the staff is all ex-military and they come off as pretty gruff and harsh, but they're really decent guys. They just put up with a bunch of stupidity from some customers and I suspect try to shut it down before it starts. Another store deals mostly with hunters and is completely different in stock and how they handle sales because they're not focused on black rifles, suppressors, etc.
Don't rush, though. That only leads to regret. That said, go to the gun show and if you see the right thing don't hesitate to snap it up. Don't go determined to buy that day, though.
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That's a pretty accurate distilled-down description, but they're still fun to go to.
Something else to consider is not to rush into anything and visit two or three gun dealers in your area. You'll get different "vibes" off of each of them, and you can go from there. I've got one I like where the staff is all ex-military and they come off as pretty gruff and harsh, but they're really decent guys. They just put up with a bunch of stupidity from some customers and I suspect try to shut it down before it starts. Another store deals mostly with hunters and is completely different in stock and how they handle sales because they're not focused on black rifles, suppressors, etc.
Don't rush, though. That only leads to regret. That said, go to the gun show and if you see the right thing don't hesitate to snap it up. Don't go determined to buy that day, though.
Posted by: Nikki Haley - DeSantis is losing to Nikki and it's Trump's fault at January 14, 2024 08:09 PM (/TehT)
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I'd never considered going to a pawn shop for a gun. That's, to me, like going to Fred's Used Cars (We Finance!) to look at a BMW. Unh-unh.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 14, 2024 08:02 PM (omVj0)
Heh. Around here, out of the three best gun stores, 2 are pawn shops. Of course, both of those are very light on pawning anything (but do carry some jewelry and a camera or two), and very heavy on guns and gun stuff.
One of them is my FFL for internet buys.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 14, 2024 08:02 PM (omVj0)
Heh. Around here, out of the three best gun stores, 2 are pawn shops. Of course, both of those are very light on pawning anything (but do carry some jewelry and a camera or two), and very heavy on guns and gun stuff.
One of them is my FFL for internet buys.
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 08:10 PM (32nmx)
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Posted by: lin-duh at January 14, 2024 07:57 PM (a5Jsm)
The ranges I've been to had a container for misfired, damaged, or dud ammo. Next time you go to the range, bring those messed up rounds with you and see if the range can dispose of them for you.
Giving them to someone who reloads is OK too.
The ranges I've been to had a container for misfired, damaged, or dud ammo. Next time you go to the range, bring those messed up rounds with you and see if the range can dispose of them for you.
Giving them to someone who reloads is OK too.
Posted by: Ed L at January 14, 2024 08:10 PM (yRXSd)
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How do you dispose of live ammo that is maybe defective??? I have some 9mm that is very obviously shorter than it should be...
Posted by: lin-duh at January 14, 2024 07:52 PM (a5Jsm)
Did you load them yourself? In that case, an inertial impact puller should be on your new equipment shopping list. They are relatively inexpensive. Here is a sample:
http://tinyurl.com/233m7phs
Posted by: lin-duh at January 14, 2024 07:52 PM (a5Jsm)
Did you load them yourself? In that case, an inertial impact puller should be on your new equipment shopping list. They are relatively inexpensive. Here is a sample:
http://tinyurl.com/233m7phs
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at January 14, 2024 08:10 PM (yWvc2)
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Lots of smooth brains out there buy because they played "Call Of Doodie" and then find out they don't know Shit from Shinola and their mommas make them sell the bang sticks.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 14, 2024 08:08 PM (R/m4+)
One shop I used to go to did a decent amount of business in the 'My wife is making me sell these' market. Picked up a Bulgarian kit AK74 that way.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 14, 2024 08:08 PM (R/m4+)
One shop I used to go to did a decent amount of business in the 'My wife is making me sell these' market. Picked up a Bulgarian kit AK74 that way.
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 08:11 PM (H5IZ1)
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That's a good idea and maybe worth ordering a few to have in your pocket so you've got some on hand.
Posted by: Nikki Haley - DeSantis is losing to Nikki and it's Trump's fault at January 14, 2024 08:03 PM (/TehT)
You'll have to know what calibers you'll be looking at, in advance.
Posted by: Nikki Haley - DeSantis is losing to Nikki and it's Trump's fault at January 14, 2024 08:03 PM (/TehT)
You'll have to know what calibers you'll be looking at, in advance.
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 08:11 PM (32nmx)
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The magnification on my scope at that time was way back around 15x. My scope goes to 24x. She was able to hit the target with such a small view of the target in the scope. Awesome eyesight.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 08:05 PM
Kid eyesight is amazing. I go back to the front sight apertures I used to use, and can't see shite. Stupid old eyes.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 08:05 PM
Kid eyesight is amazing. I go back to the front sight apertures I used to use, and can't see shite. Stupid old eyes.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 14, 2024 08:11 PM (Wnv9h)
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Heh. Around here, out of the three best gun stores, 2 are pawn shops. Of course, both of those are very light on pawning anything (but do carry some jewelry and a camera or two), and very heavy on guns and gun stuff.
One of them is my FFL for internet buys.
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 08:10 PM (32nmx)
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We have a local pawn shop which is heavy into coins, gold and guns. Really good place to buy firearms, too.
One of them is my FFL for internet buys.
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 08:10 PM (32nmx)
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We have a local pawn shop which is heavy into coins, gold and guns. Really good place to buy firearms, too.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 08:11 PM (tT6L1)
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I want an M1.
Posted by: Eromero at January 14, 2024 08:06 PM
As do I.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 08:08 PM (f0/sc)
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Should I bring one of mine to TX and an ammo can of loaded clips?
Posted by: Eromero at January 14, 2024 08:06 PM
As do I.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 08:08 PM (f0/sc)
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Should I bring one of mine to TX and an ammo can of loaded clips?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 08:13 PM (tT6L1)
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I want an M1.
Posted by: Eromero at January 14, 2024 08:06 PM
As do I.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 08:08 PM
*looks at both M1s*
Yeah. You should get one or three.
Posted by: Eromero at January 14, 2024 08:06 PM
As do I.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 08:08 PM
*looks at both M1s*
Yeah. You should get one or three.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 14, 2024 08:13 PM (Wnv9h)
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One shop I used to go to did a decent amount of business in the 'My wife is making me sell these' market. Picked up a Bulgarian kit AK74 that way.
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 08:11 PM (H5IZ1)
Nice Vanya!
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 08:11 PM (H5IZ1)
Nice Vanya!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 14, 2024 08:13 PM (R/m4+)
Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at January 14, 2024 08:14 PM (sAmhv)
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Hairyback Guy @ 176-
I’ve found some sweet deals over the years because somebody asked themself ‘Why did I buy that thing?’ I think I’ll sell it.’
I’ve found some sweet deals over the years because somebody asked themself ‘Why did I buy that thing?’ I think I’ll sell it.’
Posted by: Eromero at January 14, 2024 08:14 PM (NxC5+)
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186 Should I bring one of mine to TX and an ammo can of loaded clips?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
I for one would not say no to that. :-D
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
I for one would not say no to that. :-D
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 08:15 PM (f0/sc)
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How do you dispose of live ammo that is maybe defective??? I have some 9mm that is very obviously shorter than it should be...
Posted by: lin-duh at January 14, 2024 07:52 PM (a5Jsm)
Is it actually 9mm Luger? There's like five different cartridges out there that are called '9mm'.
Posted by: Vanya
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Yes it is. I bought a case of range ammo and a some of the boxes had a few of these shorter rounds.
Posted by: lin-duh
Your range should have a red can for anything you consider sketchy.
Or just give it to a guy with a ruger to shoot...
I have done both.
Posted by: lin-duh at January 14, 2024 07:52 PM (a5Jsm)
Is it actually 9mm Luger? There's like five different cartridges out there that are called '9mm'.
Posted by: Vanya
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Yes it is. I bought a case of range ammo and a some of the boxes had a few of these shorter rounds.
Posted by: lin-duh
Your range should have a red can for anything you consider sketchy.
Or just give it to a guy with a ruger to shoot...
I have done both.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at January 14, 2024 08:15 PM (cOq4q)
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I, too, have one pawn shop that I really like for firearms and the owner will often have ex-police or Euro military stuff come through, along with some the occasional old 1911s, and I've seen at least one Garand.
Speaking of, if you can find one of the ex-police S&W 10mm semi-autos, that thing is a tank. I'd buy one of those or an old Ruger P95 or P89 (I think there are other P models as well) in a heartbeat if I just needed a workhorse.
Speaking of, if you can find one of the ex-police S&W 10mm semi-autos, that thing is a tank. I'd buy one of those or an old Ruger P95 or P89 (I think there are other P models as well) in a heartbeat if I just needed a workhorse.
Posted by: Nikki Haley - DeSantis is losing to Nikki and it's Trump's fault at January 14, 2024 08:15 PM (/TehT)
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>>I want an M1.
Posted by: Eromero
Tracked vehicles require a lot of upkeep, plus most ranges won't let you shoot them.
Posted by: Eromero
Tracked vehicles require a lot of upkeep, plus most ranges won't let you shoot them.
Posted by: SecDef's prostate at January 14, 2024 08:16 PM (HQ9Sl)
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‘Why did I buy that thing?’ I think I’ll sell it.’
Posted by: Eromero at January 14, 2024 08:14 PM (NxC5+)
I got my Franchi SPAS-12 at a gun show. And I sold it for a HK VP70 at a different gun show. Maybe some day I can find the holster for it at a gun show. The same day I win the lotto.
Posted by: Eromero at January 14, 2024 08:14 PM (NxC5+)
I got my Franchi SPAS-12 at a gun show. And I sold it for a HK VP70 at a different gun show. Maybe some day I can find the holster for it at a gun show. The same day I win the lotto.
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 08:16 PM (32nmx)
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Should I bring one of mine to TX and an ammo can of loaded clips?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
I for one would not say no to that. :-D
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 08:15 PM
So I should bring mine to NH again this year?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
I for one would not say no to that. :-D
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 08:15 PM
So I should bring mine to NH again this year?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 14, 2024 08:16 PM (Wnv9h)
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‘Why did I buy that thing?’ I think I’ll sell it.’
Posted by: Eromero at January 14, 2024 08:14 PM (NxC5+)
Done that twice myself. I have owned, asked that question about and sold an FN Five-Seven and a Saiga-12. 5.7 ammo was like $35 for 50 rounds (and this was almost ten years ago) and the Saiga was like, just, "WHY?"
Posted by: Eromero at January 14, 2024 08:14 PM (NxC5+)
Done that twice myself. I have owned, asked that question about and sold an FN Five-Seven and a Saiga-12. 5.7 ammo was like $35 for 50 rounds (and this was almost ten years ago) and the Saiga was like, just, "WHY?"
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 08:17 PM (H5IZ1)
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Tracked vehicles require a lot of upkeep, plus most ranges won't let you shoot them.
Posted by: SecDef's prostate at January 14, 2024 08:16 PM (HQ9Sl)
Heck, most municipalities won't let you drive them on the roads without a specific permit. (Tracks tear up asphalt.)
Posted by: SecDef's prostate at January 14, 2024 08:16 PM (HQ9Sl)
Heck, most municipalities won't let you drive them on the roads without a specific permit. (Tracks tear up asphalt.)
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 08:17 PM (32nmx)
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We have a local pawn shop which is heavy into coins, gold and guns. Really good place to buy firearms, too.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024
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I guess my image of dodgy pawn shops comes from ancient crime movies. There's a well-thought-of dealer here in gold coins and the like; if he doesn't deal with guns, he probably knows who does and who's trustworthy.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024
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I guess my image of dodgy pawn shops comes from ancient crime movies. There's a well-thought-of dealer here in gold coins and the like; if he doesn't deal with guns, he probably knows who does and who's trustworthy.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 14, 2024 08:17 PM (omVj0)
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 08:17 PM (tT6L1)
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ok, i'll give it to a guy at the spawn's range who reloads.
Posted by: lin-duh at January 14, 2024 08:18 PM (a5Jsm)
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Ok, I am going to call it a night. Enjoying a 4 day weekend.
To those in the midwest, stay warm!!!! Everyone else have a great week.
As always. thank you Weasel for providing a place for us reprobates to congregate every Sunday.
To those in the midwest, stay warm!!!! Everyone else have a great week.
As always. thank you Weasel for providing a place for us reprobates to congregate every Sunday.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 08:18 PM (f0/sc)
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Well, time to wander,
Take care and next week I hope to have a range report.
later!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 08:17 PM
Peace out, blake.
Take care and next week I hope to have a range report.
later!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(tT6L1) at January 14, 2024 08:17 PM
Peace out, blake.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 14, 2024 08:18 PM (Wnv9h)
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Ok, I am going to call it a night. Enjoying a 4 day weekend.
To those in the midwest, stay warm!!!! Everyone else have a great week.
As always. thank you Weasel for providing a place for us reprobates to congregate every Sunday.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 08:18 PM
Have a good one, Scoob.
To those in the midwest, stay warm!!!! Everyone else have a great week.
As always. thank you Weasel for providing a place for us reprobates to congregate every Sunday.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 08:18 PM
Have a good one, Scoob.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 14, 2024 08:19 PM (Wnv9h)
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 14, 2024 08:20 PM (a3Q+t)
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I ask the thread: Why does this guy have camo paint on, under his goggles and balaclava, in broad daylight? My brother in Christ, we can see you.
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 08:06 PM (H5IZ1)
And he does NOT have his wrists camo-ed or covered or otherwise not visible. I know because I can see one.
And those goggles probably give off more of a glint than his pasty face in that balaclava/
I know some USAFA SERE instructors that would like to have a word with him.
Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 08:06 PM (H5IZ1)
And he does NOT have his wrists camo-ed or covered or otherwise not visible. I know because I can see one.
And those goggles probably give off more of a glint than his pasty face in that balaclava/
I know some USAFA SERE instructors that would like to have a word with him.
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 08:20 PM (32nmx)
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Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 08:06 PM (H5IZ1)
It wouldn't surprise me if the guy in the picture is one of the H&K sales managers dressed up specifically to make pictures for their sales/ad material. The guy in the second picture w/ a bandana on his head is the H&K USA sales manager circa 1987 or so per James Williamson of Teufelshund Tactical in his video on the MP5K and MP5K-PDW.
It wouldn't surprise me if the guy in the picture is one of the H&K sales managers dressed up specifically to make pictures for their sales/ad material. The guy in the second picture w/ a bandana on his head is the H&K USA sales manager circa 1987 or so per James Williamson of Teufelshund Tactical in his video on the MP5K and MP5K-PDW.
Posted by: Ed L at January 14, 2024 08:22 PM (yRXSd)
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I want an M1.
Posted by: Eromero at January 14, 2024 08:06 PM (NxC5+)
If you're serious, buying an M1 through the CMP is the way to go.
https://thecmp.org/
You have to jump through a few paperwork hoops, and probably join the Garand Collector Association ($25 per year and you get quarterly magazines) but you get an M1 delivered to your door at a lot less than market prices.
Posted by: Eromero at January 14, 2024 08:06 PM (NxC5+)
If you're serious, buying an M1 through the CMP is the way to go.
https://thecmp.org/
You have to jump through a few paperwork hoops, and probably join the Garand Collector Association ($25 per year and you get quarterly magazines) but you get an M1 delivered to your door at a lot less than market prices.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at January 14, 2024 08:23 PM (yWvc2)
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I'm out too. Feel like I have spent almost the entire day on the blog. wait, I have spent the entire day on the blog.
Have a good week all. Hope to have a range report next week.
Have a good week all. Hope to have a range report next week.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 14, 2024 08:26 PM (t/2Uw)
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I bought my first handgun at a pawnshop, a Colt hammerless pocket pistol in 380. $60 yankee dollars cash money. I wish I still had it.
Posted by: Eromero at January 14, 2024 08:26 PM (NxC5+)
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a place for us reprobates to congregate every Sunday.
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 08:18 PM
What about us non-reprobates?
Posted by: Scuba Dude at January 14, 2024 08:18 PM
What about us non-reprobates?
Posted by: Wesley Crusher at January 14, 2024 08:27 PM (a3Q+t)
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I'm kinda whupped as well. Miss Linda and I drove an hour up the highway to have breakfast at Cracker Barrel, and then tramped around the outlet mall right behind it for about three hours. Brooks Brothers is having a 50% off sale and has good stuff; Ralph Lauren has great stuff but its "outlet" prices are pretty much what I'd find on the same things at the malls near me. I better wait for a sale.
Still, it was a nice day trip and a good run for the car, which has not had an extended Interstate run in a while.
Still, it was a nice day trip and a good run for the car, which has not had an extended Interstate run in a while.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 14, 2024 08:30 PM (omVj0)
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What about us non-reprobates?
Posted by: Wesley Crusher at January 14, 2024 08:27 PM (a3Q+t)
Shut up, Wesley.
Posted by: Wesley Crusher at January 14, 2024 08:27 PM (a3Q+t)
Shut up, Wesley.
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 08:30 PM (32nmx)
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I bought my first handgun at a pawnshop, a Colt hammerless pocket pistol in 380. $60 yankee dollars cash money. I wish I still had it.
Posted by: Eromero at January 14, 2024
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Cool-looking gun with a lot of history.
Posted by: Eromero at January 14, 2024
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Cool-looking gun with a lot of history.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 14, 2024 08:33 PM (omVj0)
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Brooks Brothers is having a 50% off sale and has good stuff; Ralph Lauren has great stuff but its "outlet" prices are pretty much what I'd find on the same things at the malls near me. I better wait for a sale.
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So about that Duluth sweater...
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So about that Duluth sweater...
Posted by: Nikki Haley - DeSantis is losing to Nikki and it's all Trump's fault at January 14, 2024 08:34 PM (KvRIM)
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Pawn shops aren't that bad, they are an FFL, and you can look at the guns to see if they look beat up. You probably want to have a good idea of both what you are willing to spend and a ballpark to what the current market is, at least from the big vendors.
I have bought some rifles at a pawn shop, I regret not getting a repro matchlock once, but other than that, it is a place that does rely on its good reputation.
I wouldn't buy a nail gun there, the construction equipment the local pawn shop I used to go to had was pretty heavily used.
I have bought some rifles at a pawn shop, I regret not getting a repro matchlock once, but other than that, it is a place that does rely on its good reputation.
I wouldn't buy a nail gun there, the construction equipment the local pawn shop I used to go to had was pretty heavily used.
Posted by: Kindltot at January 14, 2024 08:35 PM (D7oie)
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It's on again. Probably me confised
but it said scrubbed.
SpaceX Launch
Falcon 9 - Starlink
Launch time: T - 16 minutes
http://tinyurl.com/y65njs9y
but it said scrubbed.
SpaceX Launch
Falcon 9 - Starlink
Launch time: T - 16 minutes
http://tinyurl.com/y65njs9y
Posted by: Ciampino - Contrary to rumors Skip was not responsible at January 14, 2024 08:36 PM (qfLjt)
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Pawn shops aren't that bad, they are an FFL, and you can look at the guns to see if they look beat up. You probably want to have a good idea of both what you are willing to spend and a ballpark to what the current market is, at least from the big vendors.
I have bought some rifles at a pawn shop, I regret not getting a repro matchlock once, but other than that, it is a place that does rely on its good reputation.
I wouldn't buy a nail gun there, the construction equipment the local pawn shop I used to go to had was pretty heavily used.
Posted by: Kindltot at January 14, 2024
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There are some pawn shops in the 'burbs here that are doing well enough to advertise on TV. I just checked one, and they do handle firearms. Maybe it would behoove me (how's that for a Book Thread word?) to stop in and chat.
I have bought some rifles at a pawn shop, I regret not getting a repro matchlock once, but other than that, it is a place that does rely on its good reputation.
I wouldn't buy a nail gun there, the construction equipment the local pawn shop I used to go to had was pretty heavily used.
Posted by: Kindltot at January 14, 2024
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There are some pawn shops in the 'burbs here that are doing well enough to advertise on TV. I just checked one, and they do handle firearms. Maybe it would behoove me (how's that for a Book Thread word?) to stop in and chat.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 14, 2024 08:38 PM (omVj0)
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Gun shows really vary by venue. The DMV MGC goes to "The Nation's Gunshow" which is pretty large. There are 5 or 6 major vendors, another handful of specialty vendors, a few collector vendors, a VERY few individual sellers, and, yes, a bunch of the assorted ash and trash of all kinds of stuff in camo and knives and toys and jewelry cleaners and anything you could ever want to bling your Glock and/or AR.
I've been to more rural shows and they have a totally different vibe.
I've been to more rural shows and they have a totally different vibe.
Posted by: blaster at January 14, 2024 08:39 PM (IFNME)
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Posted by: Vanya at January 14, 2024 08:06 PM (H5IZ1)
FYI, for a deeper dive into the history of the MP5K, MP5K-PDW, and their practical application today, take a look at the 9 Hole Reviews You Tube channel and their 30 minute video on the subject. It's worth the time if you're interested in seeing how the MP5K and MP5K-PDW were developed, their strengths, weaknesses, and setups have changed from their introduction in the 1980s to today.
FYI, for a deeper dive into the history of the MP5K, MP5K-PDW, and their practical application today, take a look at the 9 Hole Reviews You Tube channel and their 30 minute video on the subject. It's worth the time if you're interested in seeing how the MP5K and MP5K-PDW were developed, their strengths, weaknesses, and setups have changed from their introduction in the 1980s to today.
Posted by: Ed L at January 14, 2024 08:40 PM (yRXSd)
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I've been to more rural shows and they have a totally different vibe.
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I'm aware of a quarterly or so gun show in a rural NC county that is essentially a farmers market swap meet sort of thing. There are some folks that just like trading and trying new stuff, which is kind of neat. Not me and I can't relate, but I respect it for what it is.
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I'm aware of a quarterly or so gun show in a rural NC county that is essentially a farmers market swap meet sort of thing. There are some folks that just like trading and trying new stuff, which is kind of neat. Not me and I can't relate, but I respect it for what it is.
Posted by: Nikki Haley - DeSantis is losing to Nikki and it's Trump's fault at January 14, 2024 08:41 PM (/TehT)
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We have a local pawn shop which is heavy into coins, gold and guns. Really good place to buy firearms, too.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal
Mine also always seems to have a good collection of tools, musical instruments, and fishing gear.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal
Mine also always seems to have a good collection of tools, musical instruments, and fishing gear.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 14, 2024 08:42 PM (W/lyH)
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Posted by: blaster at January 14, 2024 08:39 PM (IFNME)
Agreed. The smaller shows definitely have a different feel to them than the larger shows.
Agreed. The smaller shows definitely have a different feel to them than the larger shows.
Posted by: Ed L at January 14, 2024 08:45 PM (yRXSd)
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I want an M1.
Posted by: Eromero
Tracked vehicles require a lot of upkeep, plus most ranges won't let you shoot them.
Posted by: SecDef's prostate
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Heck, most municipalities won't let you drive them on the roads without a specific permit. (Tracks tear up asphalt.)
Posted by: GWB
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The carbine version, being lighter, does less damage.
Posted by: Eromero
Tracked vehicles require a lot of upkeep, plus most ranges won't let you shoot them.
Posted by: SecDef's prostate
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Heck, most municipalities won't let you drive them on the roads without a specific permit. (Tracks tear up asphalt.)
Posted by: GWB
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The carbine version, being lighter, does less damage.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 14, 2024 08:45 PM (XeU6L)
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You folks have opened my eyes about the possibility of pawn shops as a handgun source. One of the local places, BJ's Jewelry and Loan, says on its website, "BJ's also offers a multitude of services pertaining to firearms including light gun cleaning, gun servicing, conceal carry permit classes, and self defense gun training."
Sounds like one-stop shopping once you've done your research.
Sounds like one-stop shopping once you've done your research.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 14, 2024 08:48 PM (omVj0)
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Often, older but interesting firearms will show up at pawn shops. Probably from heirs/estates.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 14, 2024 08:48 PM (XeU6L)
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Been to several gun shows in my area...its been a long time since I've seen anything like a deal. pretty much overpriced everything.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 14, 2024 08:49 PM (W/lyH)
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I want an M1.
Posted by: Eromero
Tracked vehicles require a lot of upkeep, plus most ranges won't let you shoot them.
Posted by: SecDef's prostate
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Heck, most municipalities won't let you drive them on the roads without a specific permit. (Tracks tear up asphalt.)
Posted by: GWB
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Pretty much the same deal with a M-60.
Posted by: Eromero
Tracked vehicles require a lot of upkeep, plus most ranges won't let you shoot them.
Posted by: SecDef's prostate
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Heck, most municipalities won't let you drive them on the roads without a specific permit. (Tracks tear up asphalt.)
Posted by: GWB
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Pretty much the same deal with a M-60.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 14, 2024 08:50 PM (W/lyH)
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Firearms aside, it is difficult for me to browse around inside of a pawn shop without thinking, 'I wonder who this was stolen from?'
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 14, 2024 08:51 PM (XeU6L)
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Often, older but interesting firearms will show up at pawn shops. Probably from heirs/estates.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 14, 2024
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Intriguing
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at January 14, 2024
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Intriguing
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 14, 2024 08:52 PM (omVj0)
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"BJ's also offers a multitude of services pertaining to firearms including light gun cleaning, gun servicing, conceal carry permit classes, and self defense gun training."
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This sounds like a good resource. They probably have staff and stuff in place specifically for folks who are interested in getting started.
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This sounds like a good resource. They probably have staff and stuff in place specifically for folks who are interested in getting started.
Posted by: Nikki Haley - DeSantis is losing to Nikki and it's Trump's fault at January 14, 2024 08:53 PM (/TehT)
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>>>Apologies, guys and gals, but you're getting the low-calorie edition of the Gun Thread tonite. I am on a quick roadtrip to
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another party.
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I think the whole damn Horde is New Year's eve party cont.
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another party.
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I think the whole damn Horde is New Year's eve party cont.
Posted by: Braenyard at January 14, 2024 08:53 PM (iXLWn)
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I just bought a like-new Turkish 1911 at the local pawn shop. It has the lightest trigger pull I've ever felt. Suspiciously light. Did the Turk assemblers pull off a miracle? Did the previous owner take a stone to the hammer and butcher it?
I know when the snow clears off the range, I will test fire it starting with one in the chamber and a single round in the magazine, just in case it has an inadvertent 3-shot burst capability.
I know when the snow clears off the range, I will test fire it starting with one in the chamber and a single round in the magazine, just in case it has an inadvertent 3-shot burst capability.
Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at January 14, 2024 08:53 PM (yWvc2)
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I want an M1.
Posted by: Eromero
Tracked vehicles require a lot of upkeep, plus most ranges won't let you shoot them.
Posted by: SecDef's prostate
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Heck, most municipalities won't let you drive them on the roads without a specific permit. (Tracks tear up asphalt.)
Posted by: GWB
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Pretty much the same deal with a M-60.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 14, 2024 08:50 PM
The LCAC does not suffer these deficiencies.
Posted by: Eromero
Tracked vehicles require a lot of upkeep, plus most ranges won't let you shoot them.
Posted by: SecDef's prostate
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Heck, most municipalities won't let you drive them on the roads without a specific permit. (Tracks tear up asphalt.)
Posted by: GWB
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Pretty much the same deal with a M-60.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 14, 2024 08:50 PM
The LCAC does not suffer these deficiencies.
Posted by: Wesley Crusher at January 14, 2024 08:54 PM (a3Q+t)
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I think the whole damn Horde is New Year's eve party cont.
Posted by: Braenyard at January 14, 2024 08:53 PM (iXLWn)
To be fair, we are not even halfway through January yet!
Posted by: Braenyard at January 14, 2024 08:53 PM (iXLWn)
To be fair, we are not even halfway through January yet!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ THIS year in Corsicana - again! ~ at January 14, 2024 08:55 PM (hOUT3)
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Thanks for the Gun Thread, Weasel!
Posted by: DBCooper at January 14, 2024 09:02 PM (82e3d)
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I again woosied out from range time this week.
Old, cold, not very bold.
Old, cold, not very bold.
Posted by: RI Red at January 14, 2024 09:03 PM (LS6dF)
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Good launch and first stage recivery
Posted by: Ciampino - Skip you're off the hook at January 14, 2024 09:03 PM (qfLjt)
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Very late to the thread, but greetings to all the gub 'ettes and 'rons and safe travels to our host Weasel as he spreads the Good News of the Gub Thread to other states.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 14, 2024 09:03 PM (v23vE)
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recovery
recovery
Posted by: Ciampino - Skip you're off the hook at January 14, 2024 09:04 PM (qfLjt)
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Posted by: Diogenes at January 14, 2024 08:49 PM (W/lyH)
One of the reasons I go to the Chantilly show is not because of the prices, but because I can find stuff there that I can't at my LGS. Rustling up .45 LC for my Colt SAA? Easier to find it at the show. That B&T Station SIX pistol in 9mm featured on the blog last year? Saw it at Chantilly and snapped it up. The Military/Law Enforcement model Benelli M4 shotgun I dragged to TX last October? Also a Chantilly pickup. None of these were bargains, but they never would have made into the door of my LGS.
One of the reasons I go to the Chantilly show is not because of the prices, but because I can find stuff there that I can't at my LGS. Rustling up .45 LC for my Colt SAA? Easier to find it at the show. That B&T Station SIX pistol in 9mm featured on the blog last year? Saw it at Chantilly and snapped it up. The Military/Law Enforcement model Benelli M4 shotgun I dragged to TX last October? Also a Chantilly pickup. None of these were bargains, but they never would have made into the door of my LGS.
Posted by: Ed L at January 14, 2024 09:04 PM (yRXSd)
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Right place, right gun, right price, right time. This is what we call providence.
Posted by: Eromero at January 14, 2024 09:09 PM (NxC5+)
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BTW, I saw something disturbing at WalMart today. I was looking for a new windshield scraper, and saw some pepper spray hanging on an end cap. And, it was equipped with a little laser on the grip.
Now, I've seen a laser on a slingshot and it was kinda silly. But not disturbing.
My concern is that bear/pepper spray MUST be shot into the face of an assailant. And that means you're shooting this laser directly into the face/eyes of the person. While spray is supposed to be non-lethal, I think aiming a laser into anyone's eyes will be cause to sue you to the poor house. "Grave bodily harm" anyone?
Now, if you use it on a bear, you are much less likely to face a civil jury. But if you use that on a person, you'd best have a dead battery in that laser, or it will get brought up by a lawyer somewhere down the road and your erstwhile attacker will be wearing an eye patch to the trial and soaking you for everything you own. And a bad prosecutor might very well have you on the hook for endangerment and such.
If you're going to laser someone you'd best shoot them, it seems to me.
Now, I've seen a laser on a slingshot and it was kinda silly. But not disturbing.
My concern is that bear/pepper spray MUST be shot into the face of an assailant. And that means you're shooting this laser directly into the face/eyes of the person. While spray is supposed to be non-lethal, I think aiming a laser into anyone's eyes will be cause to sue you to the poor house. "Grave bodily harm" anyone?
Now, if you use it on a bear, you are much less likely to face a civil jury. But if you use that on a person, you'd best have a dead battery in that laser, or it will get brought up by a lawyer somewhere down the road and your erstwhile attacker will be wearing an eye patch to the trial and soaking you for everything you own. And a bad prosecutor might very well have you on the hook for endangerment and such.
If you're going to laser someone you'd best shoot them, it seems to me.
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 09:12 PM (32nmx)
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Ed L,
I used to work about 1/4 mile from the Chantilly show. (And loved the BBQ at Willards!)
A great show but not being a Virginian, could not buy much except ammo and mscl stuff. Out here in WA, it's just pricey.
I used to work about 1/4 mile from the Chantilly show. (And loved the BBQ at Willards!)
A great show but not being a Virginian, could not buy much except ammo and mscl stuff. Out here in WA, it's just pricey.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 14, 2024 09:12 PM (W/lyH)
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Just finished putting the XRay sights on the P226. VERY bright tritium. This is good.
The new sight pusher worked really well, but not perfectly. I had gotten a cheapo ($25) sight pusher before that worked, but destroyed itself in the process of working.
This new one is a little more expensive, $60. It has an intriguing "self-centering" feature. It does center the slide. It does NOT center the sight which is what you would want to self-center. But I can see why that would not be possible. The slide centering is an advantage, at least. It's also very durable, did not injure itself or the slide.
The new sight pusher worked really well, but not perfectly. I had gotten a cheapo ($25) sight pusher before that worked, but destroyed itself in the process of working.
This new one is a little more expensive, $60. It has an intriguing "self-centering" feature. It does center the slide. It does NOT center the sight which is what you would want to self-center. But I can see why that would not be possible. The slide centering is an advantage, at least. It's also very durable, did not injure itself or the slide.
Posted by: blaster at January 14, 2024 09:13 PM (IFNME)
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And, with that, I'll say, "Thank you, Weasel!"
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 09:13 PM (32nmx)
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Thanks for the gub, Weasel. Safe travels and pass along a scritch to FSJ.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 14, 2024 09:18 PM (V8he0)
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Posted by: Diogenes at January 14, 2024 09:12 PM (W/lyH)
That sucks, seeing a bunch of cool stuff, but not able to take any of it home. Unless you get to know some of the usual sellers that regularly come to Chantilly, you're not going to get much in the way of bargains. If I'm going to pay extra for stuff, I'm going to get the stuff that I can't get anywhere else. And that CAN be found at Chantilly, at least.
That sucks, seeing a bunch of cool stuff, but not able to take any of it home. Unless you get to know some of the usual sellers that regularly come to Chantilly, you're not going to get much in the way of bargains. If I'm going to pay extra for stuff, I'm going to get the stuff that I can't get anywhere else. And that CAN be found at Chantilly, at least.
Posted by: Ed L at January 14, 2024 09:18 PM (yRXSd)
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The tools in the Model 1917 clip are belt driven.
That's an old clip.
That's an old clip.
Posted by: Braenyard at January 14, 2024 09:20 PM (iXLWn)
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Before I forget, thanks for hosting, Weasel! I also sent some potential content your way. You should see it in your e-mail inbox.
Posted by: Ed L at January 14, 2024 09:23 PM (yRXSd)
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Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 09:12 PM (32nmx)
Many lasers found in consumer products (i.e. laser pointers) are NOT eye-safe. Hit someone in the eyes w/ a laser and the target/victim will be blind, probably permanently. That's a criminal charge you've just picked up (malicious wounding or something similar), and most prosecutors will file charges against you for that.
Many lasers found in consumer products (i.e. laser pointers) are NOT eye-safe. Hit someone in the eyes w/ a laser and the target/victim will be blind, probably permanently. That's a criminal charge you've just picked up (malicious wounding or something similar), and most prosecutors will file charges against you for that.
Posted by: Ed L at January 14, 2024 09:28 PM (yRXSd)
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Good launch and first stage recivery
Posted by: Ciampino - Skip you're off the hook at January 14, 2024 09:03 PM (qfLjt)
Amazing that SpaceX is looking to do about 140 launches in 2024.
And they just launched two in two days.
The power of private enterprise.
Posted by: Ciampino - Skip you're off the hook at January 14, 2024 09:03 PM (qfLjt)
Amazing that SpaceX is looking to do about 140 launches in 2024.
And they just launched two in two days.
The power of private enterprise.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 14, 2024 09:32 PM (ufFY8)
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Being a an ol' guy, and simple minded, a 135 gr JHP in.40 SW seems good. Leaning towards WSF or W231. Just want versatility. Thought it would work ok in 38/357 ?
Posted by: John Boeve at January 14, 2024 07:47 PM (Ss67U)
WSF or 231 will work fine in .40 and .38 Spec, but you will need a slower powder for .357. Something like AA#9, 2400 or W110/H296. There are others, as well.
I mostly use 2400 or AA#9 for .357.
Being a an ol' guy, and simple minded, a 135 gr JHP in.40 SW seems good. Leaning towards WSF or W231. Just want versatility. Thought it would work ok in 38/357 ?
Posted by: John Boeve at January 14, 2024 07:47 PM (Ss67U)
WSF or 231 will work fine in .40 and .38 Spec, but you will need a slower powder for .357. Something like AA#9, 2400 or W110/H296. There are others, as well.
I mostly use 2400 or AA#9 for .357.
Posted by: BillyD at January 14, 2024 09:36 PM (F6Xpw)
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Just popped in to say thx for the thread Weasel. Have a nice week everyone.
Posted by: whig at January 14, 2024 09:36 PM (gvoQe)
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The Buick commercial with the hot vaguely Asian chick in fourplicate making supposedly funny comments highlighting her different sides is very annoying.
And of course all four of them can't parallel park, but need the car to do it for them.
And of course all four of them can't parallel park, but need the car to do it for them.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 14, 2024 09:38 PM (ufFY8)
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The power of private enterprise.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt
And a Performance/Success oriented management as opposed to DEI centric management!
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt
And a Performance/Success oriented management as opposed to DEI centric management!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ THIS year in Corsicana - again! ~ at January 14, 2024 09:38 PM (hOUT3)
Posted by: blaster at January 14, 2024 09:38 PM (IFNME)
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Thanks for a great Gun Thread, Weasel.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 14, 2024 09:38 PM (Wnv9h)
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I am surprised the SAO v DA/SA question did not generate much discussion.
Posted by: blaster at January 14, 2024 09:39 PM (IFNME)
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5 degrees here...that means MOST of Antarctica is 5 times as warm, the bases where people are range from 30degrees to 34 degrees, with the exception of Vostok station which is -34.
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/antarctica
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/antarctica
Posted by: birdog at January 14, 2024 09:41 PM (sYlnp)
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And a Performance/Success oriented management as opposed to DEI centric management!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ THIS year in Corsicana - again! ~ at January 14, 2024 09:38 PM (hOUT3)
I didn't realize that they did like 300ish launches already. Guy on the stream mentioned how many times the current booster was used (18?), then mentioned that the gubmint hasn't signed off/certified using them yet for secret/defense missions.
LOL
Typical of the gubmint.
Late and expensive.
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ THIS year in Corsicana - again! ~ at January 14, 2024 09:38 PM (hOUT3)
I didn't realize that they did like 300ish launches already. Guy on the stream mentioned how many times the current booster was used (18?), then mentioned that the gubmint hasn't signed off/certified using them yet for secret/defense missions.
LOL
Typical of the gubmint.
Late and expensive.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 14, 2024 09:42 PM (ufFY8)
Posted by: blaster at January 14, 2024 09:42 PM (IFNME)
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My question: There will be a gun show this upcoming weekend in my vicinity. It's been years since I've been to one, and am not sure. Will there be gun dealers there, i.e., one with actual storefronts? Or is it mostly collectors and enthusiasts buying and selling?
If I were interested in buying a handgun from a vendor, how can I be sure I'm getting a gun that actually works? It's not like I can try the gun out right there like you can a used car. Yes, I plan to visit one of the ranges here and get in some range time with a rental or three to see what suits me. But when I'm ready to buy at a gun show, then what?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 14, 2024 07:53 PM (omVj0)
Depends on the show, most are a mix of dealers looking to sell merchandise, with some collectors mixed in.
As to being sure what you buy works, guns are fairly simple machines, with not a lot to go wrong. If you stick to known brands and read reviews for what you decide on, you should be OK. If you do get a lemon, most manufacturers stand behind what they make, and will fix problems, however you will have the hassle for sending the defective gun back to them for repair.
My question: There will be a gun show this upcoming weekend in my vicinity. It's been years since I've been to one, and am not sure. Will there be gun dealers there, i.e., one with actual storefronts? Or is it mostly collectors and enthusiasts buying and selling?
If I were interested in buying a handgun from a vendor, how can I be sure I'm getting a gun that actually works? It's not like I can try the gun out right there like you can a used car. Yes, I plan to visit one of the ranges here and get in some range time with a rental or three to see what suits me. But when I'm ready to buy at a gun show, then what?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at January 14, 2024 07:53 PM (omVj0)
Depends on the show, most are a mix of dealers looking to sell merchandise, with some collectors mixed in.
As to being sure what you buy works, guns are fairly simple machines, with not a lot to go wrong. If you stick to known brands and read reviews for what you decide on, you should be OK. If you do get a lemon, most manufacturers stand behind what they make, and will fix problems, however you will have the hassle for sending the defective gun back to them for repair.
Posted by: BillyD at January 14, 2024 09:43 PM (F6Xpw)
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The sight pusher I got:
http://tinyurl.com/2s47ank4
Posted by: blaster at January 14, 2024 09:38 PM (IFNME)
Very Nice blaster!
http://tinyurl.com/2s47ank4
Posted by: blaster at January 14, 2024 09:38 PM (IFNME)
Very Nice blaster!
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 14, 2024 09:44 PM (R/m4+)
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Amen blaster. Late gub thread surge?
Posted by: TRex at January 14, 2024 09:44 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Posted by: blaster at January 14, 2024 09:39 PM (IFNME)
For the P226, I know that it works in SA/DA mode. The P226 in SA is good. I'm not familiar with how it would work in SAO, especially since the P226 has no safety a la the 1911. Seems to me that'd be something I'd like to see in an SAO pistol.
For the P226, I know that it works in SA/DA mode. The P226 in SA is good. I'm not familiar with how it would work in SAO, especially since the P226 has no safety a la the 1911. Seems to me that'd be something I'd like to see in an SAO pistol.
Posted by: Ed L at January 14, 2024 09:45 PM (yRXSd)
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Sadly, my former employer (am.mo mfr) went DEI. But! They got bought by a foreign outfit, so hopefully won't kill the brand(s) with incompetence...
Posted by: QJ (Lol, jimsnd great idea!) at January 14, 2024 09:46 PM (njWTi)
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Evenin' gun nuts. Just popping in to say hi and boost the comment total. No range time since the TX MoMe... No new purchases, either, and haven't really had time to search for my Highway Patrolman - the revolver, not a human male LEO.
Maybe will hit the Greenville gun show next weekend, unless I forget all about it. (Likely.)
Maybe will hit the Greenville gun show next weekend, unless I forget all about it. (Likely.)
Posted by: screaming in digital at January 14, 2024 09:47 PM (CL9FV)
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Typical of the gubmint.
Late and expensive.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt/i]
Lay back and think of the 10%!
Late and expensive.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt/i]
Lay back and think of the 10%!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ THIS year in Corsicana - again! ~ at January 14, 2024 09:47 PM (hOUT3)
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ THIS year in Corsicana - again! ~ at January 14, 2024 09:47 PM (hOUT3)
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>>> BTW, I saw something disturbing at WalMart today.
Same here.
Today saw they had Blackhorn powder as 'close out' in a regula aisle. The powder was half pound cans at ~$80/ea. Primers too for $20/c. All the powder pills were there too.
Really odd because all ammo is locked in a disply case.
Same here.
Today saw they had Blackhorn powder as 'close out' in a regula aisle. The powder was half pound cans at ~$80/ea. Primers too for $20/c. All the powder pills were there too.
Really odd because all ammo is locked in a disply case.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at January 14, 2024 09:48 PM (cOq4q)
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The sight pusher was easy to use, but the sights did not want to play along nicfely. The sights would move smoothly until they got into the center area. Then they would stick and POP - move past where center was. And same going back the other way. Took a LOT of fiddling on the front sight. Must have gone back and forth ten times before it finally centerd. The rear only took forward back and forward.
Posted by: blaster at January 14, 2024 09:48 PM (IFNME)
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So, if CBD is still around, I'm going to cross the streams....
Can you easily tear open a sous vide bag? I'm asking for those who might want to vacuum seal a pistol and keep it in harsh environments (under the tank in your bathroom, on a boat, etc.) but need immediate access to the trigger and letting the slide work.
Can you easily tear open a sous vide bag? I'm asking for those who might want to vacuum seal a pistol and keep it in harsh environments (under the tank in your bathroom, on a boat, etc.) but need immediate access to the trigger and letting the slide work.
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 09:49 PM (32nmx)
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Weasel-san, thank you for yet another fine gun thread!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ THIS year in Corsicana - again! ~ at January 14, 2024 09:49 PM (hOUT3)
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especially since the P226 has no safety a la the 1911. Seems to me that'd be something I'd like to see in an SAO pistol.
Posted by: Ed L at January 14, 2024 09:45 PM (yRXSd)
The SAO pistol has a safety. A thumb safety similar to 1911, but no grip safety.
Posted by: Ed L at January 14, 2024 09:45 PM (yRXSd)
The SAO pistol has a safety. A thumb safety similar to 1911, but no grip safety.
Posted by: blaster at January 14, 2024 09:49 PM (IFNME)
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GWB, why would you not also keep a nice, sharp, stainless steel knife handy?
Posted by: QJ (Lol, jimsnd great idea!) at January 14, 2024 09:51 PM (njWTi)
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Posted by: blaster at January 14, 2024 09:38 PM (IFNME)
I got a sight pusher that was supposedly equipped with blocks that were specific for my H&K VP9
They sucked, and it was a huge waste.
Keep us posted on that one!
I got a sight pusher that was supposedly equipped with blocks that were specific for my H&K VP9
They sucked, and it was a huge waste.
Keep us posted on that one!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...liberal esthete at January 14, 2024 09:51 PM (5ghi+)
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especially since the P226 has no safety a la the 1911. Seems to me that'd be something I'd like to see in an SAO pistol.
Posted by: Ed L at January 14, 2024 09:45 PM (yRXSd)
Also no decocking lever - which makes sense.
Posted by: Ed L at January 14, 2024 09:45 PM (yRXSd)
Also no decocking lever - which makes sense.
Posted by: blaster at January 14, 2024 09:51 PM (IFNME)
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No range report for Bif, letting all the newbies get it out of their systems with their Christmas presents still. I don't feel safe at the range between Chrismas and Valentines day.
Thank you for the Gun Thread, sir.
Thank you for the Gun Thread, sir.
Posted by: BifBewalski at January 14, 2024 09:51 PM (3CCua)
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The only red dot optic type sight I've messed with is on my Ruger PCC.
Dead on. At 15 - 50 yards. Suitable at 75 yards. Sort of. But 9mm.
That being said... the moon sights on my Rossi .45LC lever action are good for all that with no fuss, no muss. And make a larger hole.
YMMV
Dead on. At 15 - 50 yards. Suitable at 75 yards. Sort of. But 9mm.
That being said... the moon sights on my Rossi .45LC lever action are good for all that with no fuss, no muss. And make a larger hole.
YMMV
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 14, 2024 09:52 PM (Q4IgG)
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GWB, why would you not also keep a nice, sharp, stainless steel knife handy?
Posted by: QJ (Lol, jimsnd great idea!) at January 14, 2024 09:51 PM (njWTi)
1) I would probably put it in a bag, too.
2) I don't want to have to open and use a knife before I open and use my gun.
Posted by: QJ (Lol, jimsnd great idea!) at January 14, 2024 09:51 PM (njWTi)
1) I would probably put it in a bag, too.
2) I don't want to have to open and use a knife before I open and use my gun.
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 09:53 PM (32nmx)
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>>> The tools in the Model 1917 clip are belt driven.
That's an old clip.
Posted by: Braenyard
Old mill building with a big ass steam engine and drive shafts running overhead full length of the mill.
Most likely a steam engine but older mills would have water wheels or those wind things... windmills!
That's an old clip.
Posted by: Braenyard
Old mill building with a big ass steam engine and drive shafts running overhead full length of the mill.
Most likely a steam engine but older mills would have water wheels or those wind things... windmills!
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at January 14, 2024 09:53 PM (cOq4q)
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GWB-- another idea-- cut a notch into edge of bag, like the "resealable" grocery pouches, for easier tear?
Just need to test the plastic, I'd guess.
Just need to test the plastic, I'd guess.
Posted by: QJ (Lol, jimsnd great idea!) at January 14, 2024 09:54 PM (njWTi)
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Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 09:49 PM (32nmx)
Yes. Sous Vide bags are nothing more than heavy plastic bags with a pattern embossed on one side to allow air movement. Sealing a pistol in one should be straightforward, and opening the bag can be done by hand with a little effort, or a pocket knife with no effort at all.
Yes. Sous Vide bags are nothing more than heavy plastic bags with a pattern embossed on one side to allow air movement. Sealing a pistol in one should be straightforward, and opening the bag can be done by hand with a little effort, or a pocket knife with no effort at all.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...liberal esthete at January 14, 2024 09:54 PM (5ghi+)
Posted by: Ed L at January 14, 2024 09:55 PM (yRXSd)
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I got a sight pusher that was supposedly equipped with blocks that were specific for my H&K VP9
They sucked, and it was a huge waste.
Keep us posted on that one!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...liberal esthete at January 14, 2024 09:51 PM (5ghi+)
There is a Sig P-series specific pusher - but it is, believe it or not - EXPENSIVE - and of course limited to just P-series non-polymer Sigs.
http://tinyurl.com/mrxvmvjy
They sucked, and it was a huge waste.
Keep us posted on that one!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...liberal esthete at January 14, 2024 09:51 PM (5ghi+)
There is a Sig P-series specific pusher - but it is, believe it or not - EXPENSIVE - and of course limited to just P-series non-polymer Sigs.
http://tinyurl.com/mrxvmvjy
Posted by: blaster at January 14, 2024 09:56 PM (IFNME)
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Thanks, CBD
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 09:56 PM (32nmx)
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Good night 'rons and 'ettes. Thanks for the thread. Best wishes to those in the way of bad weather.
Posted by: TRex at January 14, 2024 09:58 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Good thing the CoB Annual Performance Reviews are over.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 14, 2024 09:59 PM (a3Q+t)
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ONT up!
Posted by: GWB at January 14, 2024 09:59 PM (32nmx)
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Nood. ONT is live.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 14, 2024 10:00 PM (a3Q+t)
Posted by: blaster at January 14, 2024 10:00 PM (IFNME)
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It's ONTime
Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 14, 2024 10:01 PM (pEigG)
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Doing my part to help this thread get over 300, but can't really add to the topic tonight
Posted by: QJ (Lol, jimsnd great idea!) at January 14, 2024 10:01 PM (njWTi)
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Great vids today, Weasel. I think a learned a new thing. Or two.
Posted by: RI Red at January 14, 2024 10:01 PM (LS6dF)
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Very late comment, but I enjoyed the videos Weasel posted last week. Beretta manufacturing and norma ammunition.
Posted by: TRex at January 14, 2024 10:04 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Weasel, the f you are a n the Volunteer Srare tonight, be careful. Stay freezing temperatures, snow or 'wintry mix" is in the forecast for tonight and tomorrow.
Posted by: Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith at January 14, 2024 10:06 PM (vpT5O)
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Geez... I can't sit here and look at a gub thread just short of 300.
Posted by: TRex at January 14, 2024 10:16 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Thanks Weasel and happy travels.
Posted by: TRex at January 14, 2024 10:16 PM (IQ6Gq)
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300!!! Whew... that was a close one.
Posted by: TRex at January 14, 2024 10:17 PM (IQ6Gq)
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Ok, plus 1.
Posted by: RI Red at January 14, 2024 10:36 PM (LS6dF)
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Another amazing article of gunfighting by the dean of all things gunfighting, by the twirp who has never been in a gun fight.
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