Mid-Morning Art Thread

Adoration Of The Shepherds
Domenico Ghirlandaio

[Hat Tip: Bluebell]

Posted by: CBD at 09:30 AM

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1 Merry Christmas

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 25, 2023 09:31 AM (lwOKI)

2 1

Posted by: Skip at December 25, 2023 09:31 AM (fwDg9)

3 Perfection!

Posted by: redridinghood at December 25, 2023 09:31 AM (NpAcC)

4 Pretty crowded town.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 25, 2023 09:31 AM (Angsy)

5 Or 2, either way nice painting CBD

Posted by: Skip at December 25, 2023 09:31 AM (fwDg9)

6 And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 25, 2023 09:32 AM (lwOKI)

7 High class stable there.

I'll bet their toilets are nicer than most people's homes.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 25, 2023 09:32 AM (Angsy)

8 Guy on the right holding up a lamb so it can look on the Lamb of God.

Posted by: huerfano at December 25, 2023 09:32 AM (Q4KYm)

9 Great choice, CBD and Bluebell!

Posted by: redridinghood at December 25, 2023 09:33 AM (NpAcC)

10 Wakes up
Scratches
Looks around
Dang. It's Christmas! Merry Christmas Hordemates!!!
Goes looking for coffee.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 25, 2023 09:33 AM (W/lyH)

11 Joseph: "Oy vey!"

Posted by: gp at December 25, 2023 09:33 AM (MvF+J)

12 Great selection Bluebell!

Posted by: Diogenes at December 25, 2023 09:34 AM (W/lyH)

13 Merry Christmas art lovers. Lovely painting today.

Posted by: Tuna at December 25, 2023 09:34 AM (oaGWv)

14 A lot going on there.

Posted by: olddog in mo at December 25, 2023 09:34 AM (ju2Fy)

15 Columns and trough by Rome. Plywood roof by Home Depot.

Posted by: look whats not at December 25, 2023 09:35 AM (nakGR)

16 On the left, the traditional hatbox and flange.

Posted by: gp at December 25, 2023 09:37 AM (MvF+J)

17 Who's the guy looking up and away, scratching his forehead?

Posted by: davidt at December 25, 2023 09:38 AM (SYTee)

18
I wonder how accurate the background is? Does Bethlehem sit on ground that high that the Mediterranean is in the background?

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 25, 2023 09:38 AM (enJYY)

19 Yes, a busy painting. It makes it seem like Jesus was born in the Hollywood Bowl and people were driving their carts for hours to see Him.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 25, 2023 09:39 AM (omVj0)

20 Donkey hears everything. Love the ears.

Posted by: gp at December 25, 2023 09:40 AM (MvF+J)

21 What does the Latin words mean above the infant Jesus?

Posted by: dantesed at December 25, 2023 09:40 AM (88xKn)

22 Tried to copy and paste the latin into the translator, failed.

Posted by: gp at December 25, 2023 09:41 AM (MvF+J)

23 Yes, a busy painting. It makes it seem like Jesus was born in the Hollywood Bowl and people were driving their carts for hours to see Him.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 25, 2023 09:39 AM (omVj0)

Every identifiable face is probably some muckety-muck in Florence. Look at the horseman coming upon the scene on the left.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 25, 2023 09:41 AM (Angsy)

24 I can pick out a few of the Latin words engraved on the stone, "Augur" for instance, and I suppose "dabit" is some conjugation of the verb "to give." "Pompei Fulvis" I suspect is the augur's name. Beyond that, I got nothin'.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 25, 2023 09:42 AM (omVj0)

25 Who got the best present for Christmas??

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 25, 2023 09:42 AM (RIvkX)

26 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 25, 2023 09:43 AM (ZLI7S)

27 ZOD.

Posted by: ZOD at December 25, 2023 09:43 AM (5HQE5)

28 Very nice picture. Thanks!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 25, 2023 09:44 AM (vjyQZ)

29 How did people wear those halos comfortably all day?

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 25, 2023 09:44 AM (lTGtQ)

30 Artists of that time did some awesome work, but they were terrible with babies, usually just making them very tiny adults.

Posted by: Wally at December 25, 2023 09:45 AM (QGeuA)

31 The date at the top of the column is wildly inaccurate for the scene depicted.

Posted by: gp at December 25, 2023 09:45 AM (MvF+J)

32 >>Who got the best present for Christmas??

Everyone

Posted by: JackStraw at December 25, 2023 09:45 AM (ZLI7S)

33 The grandfatherly guy just behind Mary looks to be saying, "How in the name of Jupiter and Jehovah am I gonna pay for all this?"

And the dark-haired fellow pointing to Jesus I expect is Joseph. "Yes, he does have my chin!" The older guy to his right is probably thinking, "The kid is three days old. He doesn't have a chin!"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 25, 2023 09:45 AM (omVj0)

34 Why ruin a nice painting by sticking someone's ass in it? Belongs in a rumpus room.

Posted by: Dominic, the Christmas Donkey at December 25, 2023 09:46 AM (V5BDR)

35 Good morning Zod, It is good to see you back among the omnipotent.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 25, 2023 09:46 AM (D7oie)

36 One of my friend's got a dump truck for Christmas! I suspect it was a gift to himself.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 25, 2023 09:46 AM (L8hCM)

37 Merry Christmas to you Christians out there.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 25, 2023 09:46 AM (0FoWg)

38 22 Tried to copy and paste the latin into the translator, failed.
Posted by: gp at December 25, 2023 09:41 AM (MvF+J

I tried to look up the Roman Numerals on the top of the column, no luck with those.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at December 25, 2023 09:46 AM (/HoHj)

39 I don't take it all those people in the traffic jam are going to see Jesus, it's the hustle Joseph and Mary were in but stopped to have a baby.

Posted by: Skip at December 25, 2023 09:46 AM (fwDg9)

40 Sorry, forgot I was on the art thread.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 25, 2023 09:47 AM (L8hCM)

41 The man in the middle sees the incoming alien invasion fleet that the others haven't yet noticed.

Soon, every Earthling knee shall bow.

Posted by: ZOD at December 25, 2023 09:47 AM (5HQE5)

42 Balthazar, "look we found a baby in an ossuary."

Melchior, "isn't that called foreshadowing?

Mary, "sssshhhh."

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 25, 2023 09:47 AM (HFJUU)

43 Definitely not the manager that I envisioned Jesus being born in, but I do like this.
I love the sweet faces of baby Jesus, Mary and the animals.

Posted by: redridinghood at December 25, 2023 09:48 AM (NpAcC)

44 38 I make it '1485,' but who knows.

Posted by: gp at December 25, 2023 09:48 AM (MvF+J)

45 The date at the top of the column is wildly inaccurate for the scene depicted.
Posted by: gp at December 25, 2023 09:45

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Looks like 1485, which is the date of the painting. Amazing that this is older than the European discovery of America. But you're right, the date should read something like "In the NNth year of the reign of Augustus Caesar, tribune for the twelfth time . . ."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 25, 2023 09:48 AM (omVj0)

46 Sorry, forgot I was on the art thread.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 25, 2023 09:47 AM (L8hCM)

I forgive ya; Merry Christmas !

Posted by: JT at December 25, 2023 09:49 AM (T4tVD)

47 20 Donkey hears everything. Love the ears.

I think his name is Dominick.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 25, 2023 09:49 AM (NBVIP)

48 Very nice.

But why is there a halo depicted around that horse's ass in the lower left? /I denounce myself.

Merry Christmas to Ace, the COBS, and the horde!

Posted by: ShainS -- I saw the Crotch Goblins open for Poetic Ammo at December 25, 2023 09:49 AM (6xb5i)

49 One of my friend's got a dump truck for Christmas! I suspect it was a gift to himself.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 25, 2023

***
I had a dump truck once. It was an Eldon, about 1/16 scale, but still.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 25, 2023 09:50 AM (omVj0)

50 Donkey hears everything. Love the ears.

I think his name is Dominick.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 25, 2023 09:49 AM (NBVIP)
******
I think the name is Democrat or Alexa.

Posted by: redridinghood at December 25, 2023 09:50 AM (NpAcC)

51 Who got the best present for Christmas??

A Christmas haiku:

Open your present
No, you open YOUR present
Kaczynski Christmas

Posted by: Thomas Paine at December 25, 2023 09:50 AM (lTGtQ)

52 Jesus, Mary, and the three wise guys.

Posted by: ZOD at December 25, 2023 09:50 AM (5HQE5)

53 Jarringly anachronistic.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 25, 2023 09:51 AM (tkR6S)

54 Joseph looks over his right shoulder, "why is the Ren Faire showing up?"

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 25, 2023 09:51 AM (HFJUU)

55 Donkey hears everything. Love the ears.

I think his name is Dominick.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 25, 2023

***
"We'll stay up all night, swappin' manly stories -- and in the mornin', I'm makin' waffles!"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 25, 2023 09:51 AM (omVj0)

56 Painting presents a disused burial sarcophagus being used as a manger. Its inscription reads, in abbreviated Roman Latin, 'Falling at Jerusalem by the sword of Pompey, the augur Fulvius says that the urn which contains me shall produce a God." Creepy perhaps, but those intimations of prophecy were heavy.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at December 25, 2023 09:51 AM (FCs/J)

57 I tried to look up the Roman Numerals on the top of the column, no luck with those.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at December 25, 2023 09:46 AM (/HoHj)

1485?

Posted by: BignJames at December 25, 2023 09:51 AM (AwYPR)

58 I got no physical gifts for Christmas, and that's the way I like it.

Posted by: gp at December 25, 2023 09:52 AM (MvF+J)

59 According to the painting, the census was good that year.

MERRY CHRISTMAS, y'all!

Posted by: tbodie, Lurker. Unless you are reading this at December 25, 2023 09:52 AM (5R/2V)

60 Everyone
Posted by: JackStraw at December 25, 2023 09:45 AM (ZLI7S)
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I meant retail, not theological!

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 25, 2023 09:53 AM (RIvkX)

61 I wonder how accurate the background is? Does Bethlehem sit on ground that high that the Mediterranean is in the background?

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 25, 2023 09:38 AM (enJYY)

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Heard someone on radio recently claim that there's some AI software that can analyze an outdoor photo image taken (that's broad enough) and nearly always accurately pinpoint the location at which it was taken within something like a couple of miles.

Never looked into verifying this ...

Posted by: ShainS -- I saw the Crotch Goblins open for Poetic Ammo at December 25, 2023 09:53 AM (6xb5i)

62 NVMEN might mean divine or divine will

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at December 25, 2023 09:54 AM (zfiQI)

63 I wonder how accurate the background is?

usually Renaissance painters just painted their local landscapes into Biblical scenes

Posted by: kallisto at December 25, 2023 09:54 AM (/VKDc)

64 So Mary was a blonde? Hunh. Never knew that.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 25, 2023 09:55 AM (NBVIP)

65 I wonder how accurate the background is? Does Bethlehem sit on ground that high that the Mediterranean is in the background?

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 25, 2023

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Bethlehem is some ways inland and a good ways from the sea, and so is Nazareth, I think.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 25, 2023 09:55 AM (omVj0)

66 San Giuseppe looks at the crowd approaching to pay homage to the Baby, and realizes he needs to make another Costco run

Posted by: kallisto at December 25, 2023 09:56 AM (/VKDc)

67 Upon initial inspection, wifey notes that (the object behind the baby Jesus) looks like the Ark of the Covenant from "Raiders."

* Looks to see if that Latin has been translated here, and see two attempts ... thanks! *

Posted by: ShainS -- I saw the Crotch Goblins open for Poetic Ammo at December 25, 2023 09:56 AM (6xb5i)

68 Got one present from someone was not expecting this year. They know I build models so now I have the Eduard dual combo kit Ring of Fire Part II Wilde Sau. I think I now have in the un-built stash enough Bf 109s to build a Staffel. *thud*

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 25, 2023 09:56 AM (HFJUU)

69 “ENSE CADENS SOLYMO POMPEI FVLVI[VS] / AVGVR / NVMEN AIT QVAE ME CONTEG[IT] / VRNA DABIT” (Translation: Falling at Jerusalem by the sword of Pompey, the augur Fulvius says that the urn which contains me shall produce a God.)

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 25, 2023 09:56 AM (lwOKI)

70 Early evidence of Mason influence.
Just look at how intricate the collums are carved... In a stable.
Only guilds and/or government does that pointless crap.
Smart people realize that cows and donkeys don't care how intricate the ass scratching posts are.

Would hang.

Posted by: Reforger at December 25, 2023 09:57 AM (nT1pI)

71 last nite I watched some of the Christmas vigil mass at St. Peter's then I switched to a mass at a Parisian church.

IMO the French sacred music was superior to what the Vatican offered. Breathtaking and inspirational

Posted by: kallisto at December 25, 2023 09:58 AM (/VKDc)

72 Good morning, and Merry Christmas to all y’all …

I’m blessed to have such good people to brighten my day, here on the interwebs and in meatspace

Joy to the world 🎶🎄🙏🎶

Posted by: browndog not seeing a snowy Christmas at December 25, 2023 09:58 AM (TTAGa)

73 >>I meant retail, not theological!

Never pay retail.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 25, 2023 09:58 AM (ZLI7S)

74 You don't see a blonde Mary too often. Artistic license and all that.

Posted by: From about that Time at December 25, 2023 09:59 AM (4780s)

75 Anyway time to find some food. Ciao amica

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 25, 2023 09:59 AM (HFJUU)

76 Painting presents a disused burial sarcophagus being used as a manger. Its inscription reads, in abbreviated Roman Latin, 'Falling at Jerusalem by the sword of Pompey, the augur Fulvius says that the urn which contains me shall produce a God." Creepy perhaps, but those intimations of prophecy were heavy.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at December 25, 2023 09:51 AM (FCs/J)

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Awesome! Thanks WWD ...

Posted by: ShainS -- I saw the Crotch Goblins open for Poetic Ammo at December 25, 2023 10:00 AM (6xb5i)

77 You don't see a blonde Mary too often. Artistic license and all that.
Posted by: From about that Time at December 25, 2023 09:59 AM (4780s)

"Only her hair dresser knows for sure".

Posted by: Mona Lisa Vito at December 25, 2023 10:01 AM (iODuv)

78 So there's one of those Arc de Triomphe type of structures just outside Bethlehem? Hunh. Never knew that either.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 25, 2023 10:01 AM (NBVIP)

79 Numen means divine presence in Latin. Hearkens back to their semi-deist barbarian religion before they imported more developed religious traditions from the Greeks.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 25, 2023 10:02 AM (0FoWg)

80 MCCCCLXXXV 1485

Posted by: Kindltot at December 25, 2023 10:02 AM (D7oie)

81 What a beautiful painting and such an outstanding example of the style. It shows all the wonder of the simple shepherds while the procession in the middle ground is approaching. Perhaps that symbolizes the eventual growth of Christianity? I like the contrast of the rough elements of the stable with the stately columns holding up the roof. So many allusions and other factors for the viewer to enjoy. It's interesting how the artist starts with the muted colors of the shepherds and their clothing then brings in more and brighter colors a the procession nears. Then the romantic landscape in the background which, if nothing else, makes for a lovely image and is typical for that style.

Merry Christmas to all.

Posted by: JTB at December 25, 2023 10:02 AM (7EjX1)

82 Is that a triumphal arch on the left? Maybe, it's a gate for whatever reason. I don't know.

Posted by: dantesed at December 25, 2023 10:03 AM (88xKn)

83 Sorry, forgot I was on the art thread.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 25, 2023 09:47 AM (L8hCM)

That's OK, I am sure the wisemen would have brought a dumptruck too, if they had room.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 25, 2023 10:03 AM (D7oie)

84 One of my friend's got a dump truck for Christmas! I suspect it was a gift to himself.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 25, 2023 09:46 AM (L8hCM)

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Full-sized or Tonka?

Posted by: ShainS -- I saw the Crotch Goblins open for Poetic Ammo at December 25, 2023 10:04 AM (6xb5i)

85 Numen!

Posted by: Obligatory Seinfeld reference at December 25, 2023 10:05 AM (NBVIP)

86 85 Ha!

Posted by: gp at December 25, 2023 10:06 AM (MvF+J)

87 Here's the "Allelluia" sung by the choir at
Saint-Germain-l'Auxerrois à Paris

http://tinyurl.com/3s2ebza6

If my parish had this music I'd camp out there.

At the end of the service they sing a traditional French carol:

"Il est né, le divin Enfant"

Posted by: kallisto at December 25, 2023 10:06 AM (/VKDc)

88 I got no presents yet. Perhaps maybe from my dad or wife, by day's end. I dunno. Everybody knows presents are not important to me, so I'm the last on anyone's list, if I'm on it at all.

But I got dope ass stuff for everyone else, except for Joe Mannix. He got screwed because my old man mistakenly told me he didn't have an InstaPot, when he totally did. I'll have to return it and find something different

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 25, 2023 10:06 AM (0FoWg)

89 You don't see a blonde Mary too often. Artistic license and all that.
Posted by: From about that Time at December 25, 2023 09:59 AM (4780s)

blue suits blonds better.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 25, 2023 10:07 AM (D7oie)

90 Love the royal blue color of Mary's robe, and it's perfect arrangement.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 25, 2023 10:07 AM (NBVIP)

91 Hallelujah, Noel
Be it heaven or hell
The Christmas we get
We deserve

- Greg Lake

Posted by: stu-mick-o-sucks at December 25, 2023 10:08 AM (orW8n)

92 My gift this month was successful outcome of polyp-removal procedure on Mitten's ear. A present I was glad to pay for.

Posted by: gp at December 25, 2023 10:08 AM (MvF+J)

93 'll have to return it and find something different

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 25, 2023 10:06 AM (0FoWg)

maybe the one you got him is a more better version?

I was gifted an InstaPot and I never used it. Maybe that will be my New Year's resolution, to use it already.

Posted by: kallisto at December 25, 2023 10:10 AM (/VKDc)

94 MCCCCLXXXV 1485

Posted by: Kindltot at December 25, 2023 10:02 AM (D7oie)

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"In MCCCCLXXXXII ... Columbus sailed the ocean blue" doesn't have a ring to it.

1485 = MCDLXXXV
1492 = MCDXCII

Posted by: ShainS -- I saw the Crotch Goblins open for Poetic Ammo at December 25, 2023 10:10 AM (6xb5i)

95 The man to the right who's pointing with his left hand. Put the right hat on him and he could be Father Guido Sarducci.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 25, 2023 10:10 AM (NBVIP)

96 Merry Christmas to the Horde

Posted by: That Northernlurker embracing the suckd at December 25, 2023 10:10 AM (miT2W)

97 Miss Linda would not tell me what she wanted for Xmas, and I've gotten it wrong more often than not. So all I have is a nice calendar with lovable baby animals.

I gave myself a new vintage pipe, a Fader's brand sandblast apple (possibly made by English maker GBD), and some Amphora Full Aroma tobacco. The combo made for a great smoke after breakfast today.

The temp is supposed to approach 70 today. If the sun comes out and dries the streets after yesterday's rain, I can take the car for a bath and start on the polish/wax routine.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 25, 2023 10:10 AM (omVj0)

98 Merry Christmas, horde!

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at December 25, 2023 10:11 AM (OX9vb)

99
Hold until #100:

The blaze came the same day a fire struck the largest warship in the Iranian navy, which later sank in the Gulf of Oman.

String of bad luck for Iran recently. Hope it continues.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 25, 2023 10:12 AM (enJYY)

100 Who got the best present for Christmas??
Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 25, 2023 09:42 AM (RIvkX)

Santa brought me a bag of genuine 100% pure and natural Pacific Northwest Sasquatch poop!

(Marshmallows in chocolate)

Posted by: Diogenes at December 25, 2023 10:13 AM (W/lyH)

101 I'm sorry, but this one just doesn't grab me. Just seems uber-commercial, as though the artist was pandering to his patrons. If it had been painted in 1985, the shepherds would all sport Rolexes, and Mary would be drinking a coke.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 25, 2023 10:13 AM (tkR6S)

102 But I got dope ass stuff for everyone else, except for Joe Mannix. He got screwed because my old man mistakenly told me he didn't have an InstaPot, when he totally did. I'll have to return it and find something different
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 25, 2023 10:06 AM (0FoWg)

I got a nice countertop roaster. I found out it will hold 100F forever so I will also be using it for raising and proofing loaves. I may be using it for yogurt too.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 25, 2023 10:13 AM (D7oie)

103 Forty-five minutes since the thread landed and we've barely hit 100 comments? We're slacking!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 25, 2023 10:13 AM (omVj0)

104 No disrespect, but that's no newborn babe in that manger. I'd say more in the range of 7-10 months old give or take a little. Maybe the Artists' Models Union had rules for minor models.

Posted by: Muldoon at December 25, 2023 10:13 AM (991eG)

105 I'm willing to bet that the model for Mary was the mistress of the artist's patron. Double that if it was commissioned by a Pope.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 25, 2023 10:13 AM (yWvc2)

106 25 Who got the best present for Christmas??
Posted by: San Franpsycho

I got a wok. I'm pretty pleased with that!

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at December 25, 2023 10:14 AM (OX9vb)

107 Merry Christmas to all authorized personnel.

Posted by: Oddbob at December 25, 2023 10:14 AM (sNc8Y)

108 That baby's nekkid. Needs some swaddling clothes.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 25, 2023 10:15 AM (NBVIP)

109
I was gifted an InstaPot and I never used it. Maybe that will be my New Year's resolution, to use it already.

Posted by: kallisto at December 25, 2023 10:10 AM

If you like perfect rice add (1) cup rice and (1) cup water to InstaPot then press "Rice". Go away, do something else for half and hour, come back and perfect rice.

We just made a huge number of quarts of beef stew on Saturday. It is so easy.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 25, 2023 10:15 AM (enJYY)

110 largest warship in the Iranian navy

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 25, 2023 10:12 AM (enJYY)

Cabin cruiser?

Posted by: BignJames at December 25, 2023 10:15 AM (AwYPR)

111 But, of course, Jack Straw has the right answer. We all got the greatest gift of all!

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at December 25, 2023 10:16 AM (OX9vb)

112 103 Forty-five minutes since the thread landed and we've barely hit 100 comments? We're slacking!

There are presents to be opened...

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 25, 2023 10:16 AM (NBVIP)

113 With passing years I appreciate more deeply that the true meaning of Christmas Day is not as much about the Jesus in the manger as it is about heralding the Jesus on the Cross and the Atonement.

Blessed Christmas wishes to all

Posted by: Muldoon at December 25, 2023 10:16 AM (991eG)

114 Today is John Wayne day on Grit: Dark Command, McClintock!, The Searchers, Rio Bravo, and Hondo.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 25, 2023 10:16 AM (omVj0)

115 Good morning Hordelings and Merry Christmas!

Posted by: Doof at December 25, 2023 10:17 AM (eNASR)

116 I'm sorry, but this one just doesn't grab me. Just seems uber-commercial, as though the artist was pandering to his patrons. If it had been painted in 1985, the shepherds would all sport Rolexes, and Mary would be drinking a coke.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 25, 2023 10:13 AM (tkR6S)

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If painted in 2015, the baby would have been depicted as Barry Soetoro and Mary would be Michelle Obama.

Posted by: ShainS -- I saw the Crotch Goblins open for Poetic Ammo at December 25, 2023 10:17 AM (6xb5i)

117 Good morning Hordelings and Merry Christmas!
Posted by: Doof at December 25, 2023 10:17 AM (eNASR)

Merry Christmas to you, Doof, and to the entire Horde.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 25, 2023 10:18 AM (tkR6S)

118 103 Forty-five minutes since the thread landed and we've barely hit 100 comments? We're slacking!

Waffle House must be open today.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at December 25, 2023 10:18 AM (yWvc2)

119 Today has been brought to you by Easter.

Making Christmas relevant for over 2000 years.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 25, 2023 10:18 AM (NBVIP)

120 We (well, I) bought a ham at our local chain grocery on Saturday -- already cooked, so all we have to do is heat up what we slice off. Sweet potatoes plus corn and peas too.

Doesn't feel like a Monday, does it?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 25, 2023 10:19 AM (omVj0)

121 Merry Christmas to you, Doof, and to the entire Horde.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 25, 2023 10:18 AM (tkR6S)

Thanks, AOP!

Posted by: Doof at December 25, 2023 10:19 AM (eNASR)

122 If painted in 2015, the baby would have been depicted as Barry Soetoro and Mary would be Michelle Obama.
Posted by: ShainS -- I saw the Crotch Goblins open for Poetic Ammo at December 25, 2023

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Suddenly I'm not hungry any more.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 25, 2023 10:19 AM (omVj0)

123 There might be coffee...

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 25, 2023 10:19 AM (tkR6S)

124 Today is John Wayne day on Grit: Dark Command, McClintock!, The Searchers, Rio Bravo, and Hondo.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 25, 2023 10:16 AM (omVj0)

Looked for Die Hard on cable last night...didn't see it.

Posted by: BignJames at December 25, 2023 10:19 AM (AwYPR)

125 113 That was exactly the theme of our pastor's sermon yesterday. Simeon predicted that Mary's heart would be pierced.

Posted by: gp at December 25, 2023 10:20 AM (MvF+J)

126 The blaze came the same day a fire struck the largest warship in the Iranian navy, which later sank in the Gulf of Oman.

String of bad luck for Iran recently. Hope it continues.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 25, 2023 10:12 AM (enJYY)

heard just before the sinking, translated:
"Oh skipper, skipper, I gotta tell you something!!"
"Gosh darn it Gilligan, what have you done now?"

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 25, 2023 10:20 AM (S6gqv)

127 125 Mary's soul, not heart.

Posted by: gp at December 25, 2023 10:20 AM (MvF+J)

128 That ticket line goes all the way down the block and disappears around the corner...

Posted by: Muldoon at December 25, 2023 10:20 AM (991eG)

129
I got a wok. I'm pretty pleased with that!

Posted by: Dash my lace wigs! at December 25, 2023

***
What do you call a Chinese cooking implement found in a wood in Germany?

A Wok in the Black Forest!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 25, 2023 10:20 AM (omVj0)

130 We just made a huge number of quarts of beef stew on Saturday. It is so easy.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 25, 2023 10:15 AM (enJYY)

ok you have inspired me to use the InstaPot. I love rice so this should be fun. You said you made beef stew in it, I guess it's good for white chili too, which is made with chicken, corn and white beans?

Posted by: kallisto at December 25, 2023 10:22 AM (/VKDc)

131 Looked for Die Hard on cable last night...didn't see it.
Posted by: BignJames at December 25, 2023

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I know I saw DH listed on one of the streaming services, not the "Buy or Rent" routine, but that might have been temporary or only for the Thanksgiving holiday. We looked on Saturday and all we found for free were trailers from the film and at least one documentary *about* the movie.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 25, 2023 10:22 AM (omVj0)

132
Joseph, at center, seeing the ending of "Field of Dreams" playing out along the road to the stable, thinks, "Oy! How ever will we entertain everybody?"

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 25, 2023 10:23 AM (xG4kz)

133 Full sized. He is replacing a Chevy 1 ton with it.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 25, 2023 10:23 AM (L8hCM)

134 130 Check the instruction sheet. (Small print: "No legumes!")

Posted by: gp at December 25, 2023 10:23 AM (MvF+J)

135 Some commenter here a week or two ago (IIRC) claimed to have seen this in Japan (Santa on a Cross), but I'm pretty sure it's fiction:

https://is.gd/UfmhDT

Posted by: ShainS -- I saw the Crotch Goblins open for Poetic Ammo at December 25, 2023 10:24 AM (6xb5i)

136 ok you have inspired me to use the InstaPot.
Posted by: kallisto
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It frightens me. That whole pressure release thing.

Posted by: olddog in mo at December 25, 2023 10:25 AM (ju2Fy)

137 Check the instruction sheet. (Small print: "No legumes!")
Posted by: gp at December 25, 2023 10:23 AM (MvF+J)

That's only on the non-beanary Insta-Pots.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 25, 2023 10:25 AM (tkR6S)

138 The Killer Kittens From Outer Space -- Stirling, yclept Duke of Vicksburg, and Dagny Sophia, La Siberienne, aka the Forest Feral -- are relaxing just as I am. Good thing I locked them out of the bedroom last night when I hit the hay at one a.m. Stirling would have been urging me to get up at four.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 25, 2023 10:26 AM (omVj0)

139
The blaze came the same day a fire struck the largest warship in the Iranian navy, which later sank in the Gulf of Oman.

String of bad luck for Iran recently. Hope it continues.
Posted by: Divide by Zero

I wonder what became of the mid-2010s video that was shot by Iraqi nimrods in technicals who came under fire from Kurdish forces and got a brutal smackdown? I recall that there was one of the nimrods who appeared to be less competent than his fellows and they were always calling him out.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 25, 2023 10:26 AM (xG4kz)

140 eek I have to go make brunch now

One of my waffle maker's plates has round molds that are used to cook eggs/cheese that fit perfectly in an English muffin, so that's what's on the menu today instead of waffles.

have a great christmas experience, everybody

Posted by: kallisto at December 25, 2023 10:27 AM (/VKDc)

141
Waffle House must be open today.

Yes. Yes, we are.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KYNFqmu2toI

Posted by: The Waffle House at December 25, 2023 10:27 AM (yWvc2)

142 One place, one day, one Jesus.

Posted by: Eromero at December 25, 2023 10:28 AM (hhFiC)

143 Hey good morning, friends in gray boxes!

Merry Christmas to you all!

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 25, 2023 10:28 AM (YRsIm)

144
You said you made beef stew in it, I guess it's good for white chili too, which is made with chicken, corn and white beans?

Posted by: kallisto at December 25, 2023 10:22 AM

I never tried it but it should work. Just be careful about the placement of the steam release, that it is pushed to the back. That's the most dangerous part. Some people have turned it on underneath a kitchen cabinet with the steam release unlocked. Good way to damage a cabinet. I always pull mine way out and check the release twice.

Another thing we make in it is pea soup with ham, carrots, potatoes, onion. So good.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 25, 2023 10:30 AM (enJYY)

145 Not too bad outside; cool, though damp as usual, not cold. No sunlight yet but it is bright.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 25, 2023 10:30 AM (omVj0)

146 "An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. But the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people. Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord. This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.”

Luke 2:9-12

And so came hope into the world.

Posted by: Marcus T at December 25, 2023 10:30 AM (ynlMv)

147
Michelangelo served an apprenticeship under Ghirlandaio, I think.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 25, 2023 10:31 AM (MoZTd)

148 It frightens me. That whole pressure release thing.
Posted by: olddog in mo at December 25, 2023 10:25 AM (ju2Fy)

15 pounds pressure is not enough to do real damage, it will pop the lid off if you defeat all the safety locks and open it under pressure, but even if you plug the vent the safety will pop and it is just messy with risks of scalds.
same as if you dump a stock pot of stew.

It sounds scary, but so does a vacuum cleaner

Posted by: Kindltot at December 25, 2023 10:32 AM (D7oie)

149 I managed a trip outside for the pup. Couple of inches of snow, 25 degrees with 20mph winds. I will have to drag the garbage can to the alley later. I plugged in the bird bath, to thaw the water. Hard to believe it was 55 at night just a day ago.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at December 25, 2023 10:32 AM (L8hCM)

150 String of bad luck for Iran recently. Hope it continues.
Posted by: Divide by Zero
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A drop of good news for you/us:

Sayyed Reza Mousavi, head of Iran's military forces in Syria, killed in Israeli airstrike near Damascus, Hezbollah-affiliated channel says.

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/382528

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 25, 2023 10:32 AM (ch/kO)

151 I say this as I run 40 year old presto pressure canners.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 25, 2023 10:32 AM (D7oie)

152 Brunch is big meal today. Made everything last couple days, just need to pop into oven to cook.

Egg casserole, spinach quiche, grits, funeral potatoes, smoked salmon, shrimp cocktail, cinnamon rolls and I forget what else.

Posted by: olddog in mo at December 25, 2023 10:34 AM (ju2Fy)

153
The classical sarcophagus in the picture is not just a manger for the ox and ass. It also has an iconographical significance indicated by the Latin inscription along its front: Ense cadens. Solymo. Pompei Pului[us] Augur Numen. Ait. Quae me conteg[it] Urna Dabit. [While Fulvi(us), augur of Pompey, was falling by the sword in Jerusalem he said: the urn that covers (conceals) me shall bring forth a god]. This is an ancient prophecy by Fulvius. The animals' manger will serve as a crib for the Christ Child. In his Adoration of the Shepherds, Ghirlandaio combines this reference to the Roman classical age with knowledge of Flemish art and turns them into an integrated whole.

https://www.wga.hu/html_m/g/ghirland/domenico/
5sassett/shepherd/shepher.html

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 25, 2023 10:34 AM (xG4kz)

154 Saw 'The Bishop's Wife' the other day. Still a good film with a talented cast.

Posted by: dantesed at December 25, 2023 10:35 AM (88xKn)

155 ShainS, I saw your comment on Divisibility Rule of 3 in prior thread. That blows my mind! Thanks!

Posted by: gp at December 25, 2023 10:36 AM (MvF+J)

156
Got woken up at 3:15 by puppies wailing that they were hungry. Got them fed and returned to bed. Spark started howling. Took him outside, where he did a sizable dump. Still he complained. Her Majesty had to come and settle him down.

No point going back to bed by that time. Went to 7:00 Mass, where I had a hard time keeping my eyes open. It's a good thing I sit on the very back bench.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 25, 2023 10:36 AM (MoZTd)

157 The Killer Kittens From Outer Space -- Stirling, yclept Duke of Vicksburg, and Dagny Sophia, La Siberienne, aka the Forest Feral -- are relaxing just as I am. Good thing I locked them out of the bedroom last night when I hit the hay at one a.m. Stirling would have been urging me to get up at four.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 25, 2023 10:26 AM (omVj0)

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ProTip: Fill the kibble bowl before going to bed.

[Wifey reminds me that one of our cats used to jump up in our bed and walk all over my head around 4:00 am when the kibble bowl was empty.]

Posted by: ShainS -- I saw the Crotch Goblins open for Poetic Ammo at December 25, 2023 10:36 AM (6xb5i)

158
InstaPot long grain and wild rice (which can be sketchy and stiff in traditional cooking) is always soft and tender. I think it's supposed to be healthier but who knows?

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 25, 2023 10:37 AM (enJYY)

159 Incredibly beautiful morning here in Rogue Island, sunny and warm. Family coming overt later, just enjoying a calm happy morning with the cat.

Posted by: From about that Time at December 25, 2023 10:38 AM (4780s)

160 My wife is making her version of "breakfast bowls" right now. Eggs, ham, bacon, sausage, cheese on top of hashbrowns.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 25, 2023 10:38 AM (Q4IgG)

161
In 1487 Ghirlandaio's workshop welcomed a twelve-year-old apprentice, Michelangelo Buonarroti. Although he only stayed a year (before being transferred to Lorenzo de' Medici's prestigious painting academy), and while Michelangelo (never one to play down his own genius) claimed always to be entirely self-taught, Ghirlandaio's style and technique appear prominently in the early work of Michelangelo, specifically in his use of cross-hatch shading (a subtly shading technique that brings the illusion of depth to the painting).

https://www.theartstory.org/artist/ghirlandaio/

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 25, 2023 10:39 AM (xG4kz)

162 141
Waffle House must be open today.

Yes. Yes, we are.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KYNFqmu2toI
Posted by: The Waffle House at December 25, 2023 10:27 AM (yWvc2)

But if we catch you sharing, your ass is grass and we are the lawn mowers.

Posted by: Also The Waffle House at December 25, 2023 10:40 AM (e0dkU)

163
A drop of good news for you/us:

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 25, 2023 10:32 AM

Something else to add to the Iran list:
Gas pumps stopped working
Refinery blowed up
Warship sunk
Military dude be dead

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 25, 2023 10:41 AM (enJYY)

164 My wife is making her version of "breakfast bowls" right now. Eggs, ham, bacon, sausage, cheese on top of hashbrowns.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 25, 2023 10:38 AM (Q4IgG)

What exactly is a breakfast bowl? The ingredients sound very good.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at December 25, 2023 10:41 AM (nC+QA)

165 Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 25, 2023 10:39 AM (xG4kz)
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So Michelangelo plagiarized Ghirlandaio's technique.

How Gay of him!

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 25, 2023 10:42 AM (ch/kO)

166 What exactly is a breakfast bowl? The ingredients sound very good.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at December 25, 2023 10:41 AM (nC+QA)

Frozen breakfast bowls can be found in the frozen food section of all the finer supermarkets.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 25, 2023 10:43 AM (tkR6S)

167 ok you have inspired me to use the InstaPot.
Posted by: kallisto

No okra.
Ever!
Instapots have been known to burst into a gooey slime thing if okra is used.
In fact it's best just to keep okra out of the house.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 25, 2023 10:43 AM (W/lyH)

168 Looks like baby Jesus is mighty colicky this morning…

Would Not Hang

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 25, 2023 10:43 AM (6FtXF)

169 1485 = MCDLXXXV
1492 = MCDXCII
Posted by: ShainS -- I saw the Crotch Goblins open for Poetic Ammo at December 25, 2023 10:10 AM (6xb5i)

MMCXII

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at December 25, 2023 10:44 AM (e0dkU)

170 Instapots have been known to burst into a gooey slime thing if okra is used.
In fact it's best just to keep okra out of the house.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 25, 2023 10:43 AM (W/lyH)

Never mix okra with pinto beans. You have to keep okra wind-free.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 25, 2023 10:45 AM (tkR6S)

171 The shepherds were the only ones who followed the stars

Thankfully or herods men would have found them

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 25, 2023 10:46 AM (PXvVL)

172
Too windy to cookulate bacon on the side burner of the grill outside.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 25, 2023 10:46 AM (MoZTd)

173 Speaking of Gay...

Dr. Carol Swain has advice for Harvard. Also, weighing options taking actions against Gay.

https://is.gd/NDFuEG

(Twitchy)

Posted by: olddog in mo at December 25, 2023 10:46 AM (ju2Fy)

174 Incredibly beautiful morning here in Rogue Island, sunny and warm. Family coming overt later, just enjoying a calm happy morning with the cat.

Posted by: From about that Time at December 25, 2023 10:38 AM (4780s)

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Heh. Had never heard Rhode Island referred to as that.

Helps explain JackStraw ...

Posted by: ShainS -- I saw the Crotch Goblins open for Poetic Ammo at December 25, 2023 10:47 AM (6xb5i)

175 Also wouldnt it be adoration by the shepherds

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 25, 2023 10:48 AM (PXvVL)

176 Funeral potatoes are to die for.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 25, 2023 10:49 AM (NBVIP)

177 My wife is making her version of "breakfast bowls" right now. Eggs, ham, bacon, sausage, cheese on top of hashbrowns.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 25, 2023 10:38 AM (Q4IgG)

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Wifey, not a big hashbrowns fan, asks if this would be better on top of brown rice instead?

Thus the "Breakfast Rice Bowl (TM)" idea was born ... on Christmas Day, 2023!

Posted by: ShainS -- I saw the Crotch Goblins open for Poetic Ammo at December 25, 2023 10:49 AM (6xb5i)

178 Merry Christmas everyone!!! Hallejuah, He is born!

Posted by: Dr. T at December 25, 2023 10:51 AM (jGGMD)

179 Funeral potatoes are to die for.
Posted by: Quarter Twenty
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Heh. Took me a second.

Posted by: olddog in mo at December 25, 2023 10:51 AM (ju2Fy)

180 No okra.
Ever!
Instapots have been known to burst into a gooey slime thing if okra is used.
In fact it's best just to keep okra out of the house.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 25, 2023 10:43 AM (W/lyH)

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Wifey's gumbo hardest hit ...

[I literally stand over the pressure cooker picking out what little remnants of okra remain before spooning it into my bowl.]

Posted by: ShainS -- I saw the Crotch Goblins open for Poetic Ammo at December 25, 2023 10:52 AM (6xb5i)

181 Grits be on the stove. Egg casserole in oven. Target is 11a for brunch.

Posted by: olddog in mo at December 25, 2023 10:53 AM (ju2Fy)

182 >>Heh. Had never heard Rhode Island referred to as that.

>>Helps explain JackStraw ...

Rhode Island was the last state to sign the Constitution. They held out for a year over fear they were replacing one king with another. Prescient.

The colony was given the nickname Rogue Island because of its intransigence. We've been stubborn for a very long time.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 25, 2023 10:53 AM (ZLI7S)

183 Who gave baby Jesus a Frisbee as a present?

Posted by: Skip at December 25, 2023 10:53 AM (fwDg9)

184 Happy Birthday, Jesus.

Merry Christmas, Horde.

Posted by: creeper at December 25, 2023 10:54 AM (cTCuP)

185
Breakfast bowls are made fresh and served up at Wawa convenience stores around here. You can ask for whatever combination of breakfast foods suit your taste as they can be made to order.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 25, 2023 10:54 AM (xG4kz)

186 Cookulate a very cromulent word

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 25, 2023 10:54 AM (PXvVL)

187 Also wouldnt it be adoration by the shepherds
Posted by: Miguel

***********

...and that adoration of the shepherds, by the shepherds and for the shepherds shall not perish from this Earth...

/A. Lincoln

Posted by: Muldoon at December 25, 2023 10:54 AM (991eG)

188 Looked for Die Hard on cable last night...didn't see it.
Posted by: BignJames at December 25, 2023 10:19 AM (AwYPR)

Mtv has it

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 25, 2023 10:55 AM (lwOKI)

189 "Saw 'The Bishop's Wife' the other day. Still a good film with a talented cast."

Love the kind and bemused look on Cary Grant's face. Loretta Young was lovely and David Niven played off Grant perfectly.

Posted by: Tuna at December 25, 2023 10:56 AM (oaGWv)

190 Biscuits

https://photos.app.goo.gl/BQezoxvPeb2wE5Cn6

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 25, 2023 10:57 AM (lwOKI)

191 Well paramount does

Posted by: Miguel cervantes at December 25, 2023 10:58 AM (PXvVL)

192 185
Breakfast bowls are made fresh and served up at Wawa convenience stores around here. You can ask for whatever combination of breakfast foods suit your taste as they can be made to order.

Likewise Waffle House. But with grits.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 25, 2023 10:58 AM (NBVIP)

193
We had our immediate family celebration last evening with kids, gKids and the kids' father here at our home. Beef fillet w/ bearnaise sauce, corn bread, mashed potatoes, green bean casserole, and corn. A very merry time was had by all.

gKids are at an age where they are fun to watch and be with for such occasions. We are having them over for three days / two nights beginning tomorrow morning.

Later today we will go to one of the in-law's households for dinner. The gathering will be larger and noisier.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at December 25, 2023 11:00 AM (xG4kz)

194 Bad luck to open presents before the chinaman terrorist is killed.

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 25, 2023 11:00 AM (lwOKI)

195 NOOD

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 25, 2023 11:02 AM (lwOKI)

196 best just to keep okra out of the house.
Posted by: Diogenes

*******

So, a noooooo okra home, eh?

Posted by: Muldoon at December 25, 2023 11:03 AM (991eG)

197 2 for 2 killing threads this morning. I'd better give it up.

Posted by: Muldoon at December 25, 2023 11:04 AM (991eG)

198 Thank you Bluebell and CBD. Yes, I'd hang it.

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