12/17/23 EMT

Happy Sunday.

Posted by: krakatoa at 06:00 AM

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1 Wow!

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at December 17, 2023 06:05 AM (Eeb9P)

2 Mornin'

Posted by: Puddleglum, cheer up for the worst is yet to come at December 17, 2023 06:05 AM (sAmhv)

3 From Tech thread:
A few days ago I mentioned my LaCrosse weather-clock was showing about 70 seconds fast. I reset the time manually and now it has gone back to 70 seconds fast. Is it possessed? Is Boulder possessed or is Microsoft possessed?
The Time server for my PC is time.windows.com.
My phones are IP phones with my ISP and they show a time that matches my PCs.

Posted by: Ciampino - I am in a time warp, help! at December 17, 2023 06:09 AM (qfLjt)

4 I must have dozed off momentarily. I sometimes wish I could do that for 12 hours.

Happy Sunday!

Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 17, 2023 06:10 AM (9v1kn)

5
g'mornin' again, 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 17, 2023 06:11 AM (xDK93)

6 Good morning morons

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 17, 2023 06:12 AM (RIvkX)

7 I don't have a watch but the hairs on my wrist say it's nngh o'clock. As a backup I keep the time written down on a piece of paper in my pocket. Ha ha, I'm prepared.

Posted by: Ciampino - I am in a time warp zone, help! at December 17, 2023 06:13 AM (qfLjt)

8
Fell asleep in my recliner and woke up at 1:00. Got the puppies fed and went to bed feeling like I'd been hit with a sledgehammer. Her Majesty reminded me I hadn't put up the kennel dogs, so I had to go out and do that.

At 4:00, my alarm, which I'd accidentally left of, went off. At 4:30, the puppies again said they were hungry. Fed them again and returned to bed. Her Majesty started snoring. I gave up.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 17, 2023 06:14 AM (MoZTd)

9 Morning to all the insomaniacals! The rain seems to be over, temps are cool.

I shwed Miss Linda the kinds of houses available on Realtor in S. Indiana and NW Kentucky. She seemed underwhelmed. She does not believe that our apartment complex, including her condo, is at risk of being condemned and demolished. No, it won't happen next month (probably). But it makes sense to operate as if it will.

She also seems to think that Medicare Advantage plans are not a good deal; that you have to ask them permission before you go to see even one of their in-network doctors, or something like that. For those of you on an MA plan, is that true?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 17, 2023 06:17 AM (omVj0)

10 Morning, 'rons and 'ettes.

Posted by: olddog in mo at December 17, 2023 06:18 AM (ju2Fy)

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She also seems to think that Medicare Advantage plans are not a good deal; that you have to ask them permission before you go to see even one of their in-network doctors, or something like that. For those of you on an MA plan, is that true?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 17, 2023 06:17 AM

You make an appointment with whoever you like. They ask for your insurance info and verify coverage and let you know if there is an out of pocket expense. This is my plan, my area with the largest network of doctors. YMMV

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 17, 2023 06:22 AM (enJYY)

12
Here is Purry Mason, curled up next to the computer:

https://tinyl.io/9wqW

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley at December 17, 2023 06:24 AM (Mzdiz)

13
That monitor is really dusty, ain't it? Need to wipe it down.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley at December 17, 2023 06:25 AM (Mzdiz)

14 What sort of heathen debauchery is taking place on this, the Lord's Day?

Posted by: Clear-Eyed Killer at December 17, 2023 06:27 AM (512Y6)

15 Wolfus, from where did Miss Linda get her MA information?

Posted by: olddog in mo at December 17, 2023 06:28 AM (ju2Fy)

16 A fair reading of the passages they’ve presented suggests that while some of their claims are bogus, others do show problematic issues in a few of Gay’s writings. But they amount to academic misdemeanors—real, but evidence of occasional sloppiness rather than malicious theft.

Sloppiness is the new orange.

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 17, 2023 06:29 AM (lwOKI)

17 https://tinyl.io/9wqW
Nice place for a snooze.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 17, 2023 06:29 AM (RIvkX)

18 Wolfus, my Dad was on MedAdv plan-- granted, he passed 4 years ago-- but at that time he didn't need pre-authorization for office visits. Expensive procedures, yes, pre-auth was often required.

He was being billed to death for co-insurance, as I recall... the plan is only an "advantage" if you're in good general health. Oh, and it's so easy to sign up while you're applying for SS!

Hubby has Part B plus Plan G supplement. Best, IMO, if you have major health issues.

Posted by: JQ at December 17, 2023 06:30 AM (njWTi)

19 Psalm 30- a song for the dedication of the Temple and about joy:

https://tinyurl.com/4rh3je98

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 17, 2023 06:31 AM (rJeiI)

20 In a Gallup Poll four years before Barack Obama was elected president, 74 percent of white Americans and 68% of black Americans said that race relations were good. Less than one score later, today, 43 percent of white Americans and 33% of black Americans say the same.

What changed?

B Hussein Obama

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 17, 2023 06:37 AM (lwOKI)

21 What changed?

B Hussein Obama
Posted by: rhennigantx at December 17, 2023 06:37 AM (lwOKI)
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He's a paid tool.

Aim higher.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 17, 2023 06:38 AM (zvEEc)

22 >>Nice place for a snooze.

It's quite warm there, a few degrees above house temp, thanks to all the computer heat.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Mr. Miley at December 17, 2023 06:38 AM (Mzdiz)

23 Hubby has Part B plus Plan G supplement. Best, IMO, if you have major health issues.
Posted by: JQ at December 17, 2023

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JQ, Plan G looks good . . . but it doesn't cover dental, vision, or Rx costs. I'm healthy now, but who knows if that would change. Wouldn't an MA plan from a large provider like Aetna, say, even if it costs $20 a month, be a better overall bet? Someone here suggested going through AMAC for an MA plan, and the agent I spoke to says he can give me premiums and so forth for a number of other states as well as Lousy-ana.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 17, 2023 06:39 AM (omVj0)

24
I drove through three separate towns yesterday. In each town the local fire company had Santa Claus on top of the fire truck.

I have a bad feeling about this and suspect my parents may have lied to me when I was young.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 17, 2023 06:44 AM (enJYY)

25 Good morning! Currently 38, headed for 70 with lotsa sunshine. Took the grandkids for pachugo yesterday, and they decided they wanted sushi as well. So now I have at least a dozen pieces leftover including California rolls and spicy crunchy rolls. Guess what's for breakfast....

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 17, 2023 06:45 AM (YRsIm)

26 24
I drove through three separate towns yesterday. In each town the local fire company had Santa Claus on top of the fire truck.

I have a bad feeling about this and suspect my parents may have lied to me when I was young.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 17, 2023 06:44 AM (enJYY)
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Santa has Warp Drive so he can appear to be in many places at once.

Posted by: Ciampino - I am in a time warp zone, help!! at December 17, 2023 06:47 AM (qfLjt)

27 French toast!

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at December 17, 2023 06:49 AM (QMAdC)

28 I drove through three separate towns yesterday. In each town the local fire company had Santa Claus on top of the fire truck.

I have a bad feeling about this and suspect my parents may have lied to me when I was young.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 17, 2023 06:44 AM (enJYY)
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Only the tooth fairy is real. Take it from my Jewish... wisdom.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 17, 2023 06:49 AM (zvEEc)

29 Wolfus, Mrs IMG an I spent Oct shopping MA. Recommend approaching as a total yearly cost basis plus your providers. Essential info is provider list (incl facilities), meds list, and procedures (incl dental) you know are needed. Keep in mind if you move out of region (handful of counties), you'll have to change MA plan.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, on the tablet at December 17, 2023 06:51 AM (8C7+r)

30 The Room is busy ..... food!

Ciampino's Rescue Kitties

Still accepting donations towards the unkindest cut of all

There's another more extensive photo update #216 at the link.
Take a look if interested. Make sure to click on
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Posted by: Ciampino - I'm in a time warp zone, help!! at December 17, 2023 06:51 AM (qfLjt)

31 He's a paid tool.

Aim higher.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 17, 2023 06:38 AM (zvEEc)

Valid. Still an asshole.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 17, 2023 06:52 AM (di6C2)

32 Hubby has a separate Rx plan, runs about $40/month and covers a lot, although we pay a hefty amount out of pocket also. (He's on some very expensive meds-- not your run-of-the-mill "old people drugs")

Posted by: JQ at December 17, 2023 06:53 AM (njWTi)

33 The survey, conducted THIS WEEK by Harvard-Harris polling, found 51% of Americans between the ages of 18 and 24 said they believed the long-term answer to the Israel-Palestinian conflict was for “Israel to be ended and given to Hamas and the Palestinians.”

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 17, 2023 06:54 AM (lwOKI)

34 33
Here's the link from the ONT
https://trib.al/mmlNgN9

Posted by: Ciampino - If true we're done at December 17, 2023 06:57 AM (qfLjt)

35 The survey, conducted THIS WEEK by Harvard-Harris polling, found 51% of Americans between the ages of 18 and 24 said they believed the long-term answer to the Israel-Palestinian conflict was for “Israel to be ended and given to Hamas and the Palestinians.”
Posted by: rhennigantx at December 17, 2023 06:54 AM (lwOKI)
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I said it on the ONT and I'll say it again:

NUTS.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 17, 2023 06:58 AM (zvEEc)

36 Wolfus, Mrs IMG an I spent Oct shopping MA. Recommend approaching as a total yearly cost basis plus your providers. Essential info is provider list (incl facilities), meds list, and procedures (incl dental) you know are needed. Keep in mind if you move out of region (handful of counties), you'll have to change MA plan.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, on the tablet at December 17, 2023

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The AMAC site led me to a long list of plans from Aetna, Humana, and PeoplesHealth. Each lists the monthly premium, co-pays, Rx costs; each indicates whether they cover my primary dr. & Rxs (most do); each indicates other benefits like fitness, dental, and vision. And some list a Med Part B give back, though not the amount. Seems like any of them, even the $20/month plans, would be worthwhile.

Yeah, that's the catch: Once I move to IN or wherever, I'll have to change plans. But the AMAC guy said he was licensed in a majority of the states and could give me info on other places as well, so I won't be caught by surprise.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 17, 2023 06:59 AM (omVj0)

37 I don't have a watch but the hairs on my wrist say it's nngh o'clock. As a backup I keep the time written down on a piece of paper in my pocket. Ha ha, I'm prepared.
Posted by: Ciampino - I am in a time warp zone, help! at December 17, 2023 06:13 AM (qfLjt
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But what if the time was writted down wrong?

Posted by: Bluebottle at December 17, 2023 07:03 AM (ScR16)

38 Welcome back Krak !

Posted by: JT at December 17, 2023 07:03 AM (T4tVD)

39 Hiya

Posted by: JT at December 17, 2023 07:03 AM (T4tVD)

40 It's happy for me! I get the see some of the people I love and celebrate the Lord's Supper with them!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 17, 2023 07:04 AM (8FwGn)

41 I said it on the ONT and I'll say it again:

NUTS.
Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 17, 2023 06:58 AM (zvEEc)

Maybe we can give Cali back to Mexi.

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 17, 2023 07:04 AM (lwOKI)

42 Tea. Earl Grey. Hot.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at December 17, 2023 07:05 AM (ScR16)

43 The survey, conducted THIS WEEK by Harvard-Harris polling, found 51% of Americans between the ages of 18 and 24 said they believed the long-term answer to the Israel-Palestinian conflict was for “Israel to be ended and given to Hamas and the Palestinians.”
Posted by: rhennigantx at December 17, 2023 06:54 AM (lwOKI)
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You first.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 17, 2023 07:08 AM (RIvkX)

44
The survey, conducted THIS WEEK by Harvard-Harris polling, found 51% of Americans between the ages of 18 and 24 said they believed the long-term answer to the Israel-Palestinian conflict was for “Israel to be ended and given to Hamas and the Palestinians.”

Ignorant people in that age bracket shouldn't be allowed to vote, drive a car, or drink.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 17, 2023 07:09 AM (enJYY)

45 Full disclosure:

Dad had prostate cancer, metastatic to bones (after 10 years) Needed continual bloodwrk, bone scans, chemo and hormone therapies.

Hubby has end stage liver disease & inflammation of retina. There are a couple of horribly expen$ive scripts he must take.

Posted by: JQ at December 17, 2023 07:10 AM (njWTi)

46 mornin yall. 51% of Americans between the ages of 18 and 24 don't have the sense God gave a brick.

Posted by: Chuncho's Revenge at December 17, 2023 07:11 AM (vFG9F)

47 I thought I took that sock off. Oh well.mornin yall

Posted by: fd at December 17, 2023 07:13 AM (vFG9F)

48 44 Ignorant people in that age bracket shouldn't be allowed to vote, drive, or drink in Munich beer halls.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 17, 2023 07:13 AM (0EOe9)

49 Re: meds. That was the most work for me. Looking up each med in the plan formulary. Bigger outfits have multiple formularies. Mrs has a goodly number of maint meds. One thing we looked for was plans/formularies that put as many meds in Tier 1 or 2 and had no copay for those Tiers. Plan D will apply to her and as far as I can tell is universally the same.Inpatient copay for hosp stay, length of stay vs premium seemed pretty much a wash. Provider network and meds were the drivers. Got a Point of Service plan, so no preauth to see out of network specialist.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, on the tablet at December 17, 2023 07:14 AM (8C7+r)

50 Have fun Fen !

Posted by: JT at December 17, 2023 07:17 AM (T4tVD)

51
Ignorant people in that age bracket shouldn't be allowed to vote, drive, or drink in Munich beer halls.

Modification status:
☑ Approved!

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 17, 2023 07:17 AM (enJYY)

52 Hubby has end stage liver disease & inflammation of retina. There are a couple of horribly expen$ive scripts he must take.
Posted by: JQ at December 17, 2023 07:10 AM (njWTi)

Prayers up !

Posted by: JT at December 17, 2023 07:19 AM (T4tVD)

53 These younguns today think that marinating a diet Coke in the fridge for 2 weeks makes it better. I'm not surprised they can be led to believe that Hamas has every right to murder people. You could probably convince them that Santa is a Jew and Rudolf was named for Rudy Giuliani.

Posted by: fd at December 17, 2023 07:19 AM (vFG9F)

54 37 I don't have a watch but the hairs on my wrist say it's nngh o'clock. As a backup I keep the time written down on a piece of paper in my pocket. Ha ha, I'm prepared.
Posted by: Ciampino - I am in a time warp zone, help! at December 17, 2023 06:13 AM (qfLjt
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But what if the time was writted down wrong?

Posted by: Bluebottle at December 17, 2023 07:03 AM (ScR16)
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Get me my real leather speaking trumpet. Hullo Folks, Have I found another kindred spirit? A Goonshow Worshiper? Wait till I tell Minnie Bannister and Mr Crumb.
(I have all the shows on disk)

Posted by: Ciampin - I think that was Queen Anne's Rain at December 17, 2023 07:21 AM (qfLjt)

55 Re: meds. That was the most work for me. Looking up each med in the plan formulary. Bigger outfits have multiple formularies. Mrs has a goodly number of maint meds. One thing we looked for was plans/formularies that put as many meds in Tier 1 or 2 and had no copay for those Tiers. Plan D will apply to her and as far as I can tell is universally the same.Inpatient copay for hosp stay, length of stay vs premium seemed pretty much a wash. Provider network and meds were the drivers. Got a Point of Service plan, so no preauth to see out of network specialist.
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, on the tablet at December 17, 2023

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At the moment my only Rx is for BP, though of course that could change. So a POS (or HMO-POS?) plan is the way to go? A lot of the plans AMAC led me to were HMO-POS.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 17, 2023 07:22 AM (omVj0)

56 Hiya
Posted by: JT at December 17, 2023 07:03 AM

Hiya, JT.

Birdbath status?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2023 07:22 AM (rru9C)

57 Heh. Watches and young 'uns. Try 'splaining to an 18-24 year old how to navigate with a dial watch. And then find out they think it's sorcery to be able to tell time with one.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 17, 2023 07:24 AM (0EOe9)

58 Morning, Early Peeps

Posted by: fluffy at December 17, 2023 07:24 AM (86W+h)

59 Medicare Advantage plans are very much like HMOs. Important to make sure there are enough doctors, particularly specialists, in your area who accept the plan. A friend found out the hard way that many docs in our area do not.

Posted by: IrishEi at December 17, 2023 07:25 AM (vvLxk)

60 Thanks, JT!

We're grateful that hubby is still here and doing so much better than 3 years ago!

Dr's said "end stage" back then, MELD score of 27, and predicted his demise would occur within months, if not weeks.

They were wrong.

Posted by: JQ at December 17, 2023 07:25 AM (njWTi)

61 Maybe we can give Cali back to Mexi.
Posted by: rhennigantx at December 17, 2023 07:04 AM (lwOKI)

Too late.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at December 17, 2023 07:26 AM (6vqEw)

62 Medicare Advantage plans are very much like HMOs. Important to make sure there are enough doctors, particularly specialists, in your area who accept the plan. A friend found out the hard way that many docs in our area do not.
Posted by: IrishEi at December 17, 2023

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Aren't drs., at least primary ones, required to accept MA if they accept Medicare itself?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 17, 2023 07:26 AM (omVj0)

63
A fair reading of the passages they’ve presented suggests that while some of their claims are bogus, others do show problematic issues in a few of Gay’s writings.

So now it's okay to file a 'problematic' tax return and 'borrow' without attribution some tax write offs from a friend or neighbor?

Good to know.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 17, 2023 07:27 AM (enJYY)

64 We went with HMO-POS with the "best" formulary. Has a decent OTC spending allowance and an annula Flex card. Started 1 Dec and we got full quarterly OTC and full annual Flex. Spare spectacles to be ordered.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, on the tablet at December 17, 2023 07:28 AM (8C7+r)

65 Very good points being brought up re: Medicare / Advantage plans!

Posted by: JQ at December 17, 2023 07:29 AM (njWTi)

66 >>>Aren't drs., at least primary ones, required to accept MA if they accept Medicare itself?
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I don't have MA myself, so I don't know. I was fortunate to get Supplemental Plan F just before they stopped offering it. The premiums are pricey, but I haven't paid a single penny for anything, including specialist visits and testing in NYC (I live in NJ.)

Posted by: IrishEi at December 17, 2023 07:32 AM (vvLxk)

67 >>> Heh. Watches and young 'uns. Try 'splaining to an 18-24 year old how to navigate with a dial watch. And then find out they think it's sorcery to be able to tell time with one.

I guess that makes my cheap watch a status symbol, of a sort.

Posted by: fluffy at December 17, 2023 07:32 AM (86W+h)

68 I checked on eHealth for POS plans available in an Evansville, IN, zip code. They have plenty, they cover my BP med, etc. Some of the same companies are listed, though not all.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at December 17, 2023 07:33 AM (omVj0)

69 Get me my real leather speaking trumpet. Hullo Folks, Have I found another kindred spirit? A Goonshow Worshiper? Wait till I tell Minnie Bannister and Mr Crumb.
(I have all the shows on disk)
Posted by: Ciampin - I think that was Queen Anne's Rain at December 17, 2023 07:21 AM (qfLjt)
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Yes. Yes, you have.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at December 17, 2023 07:35 AM (ScR16)

70 I'm running Chrome because of laziness. Google had an update that's actually OK, and because of a screw up on my part I had done a powerwash. I had to log in to a few accounts after that and the Sirius account was giving me fits. I couldn't get to a continue button. Finally messed around with the display and screen size and got that fixed. They also had just changed the appearance of their site.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at December 17, 2023 07:36 AM (0EOe9)

71 A Georgia judge will allow Fulton County ballots to be unsealed and examined for evidence of fraud
Kelly McLaughlin and Grace Panetta May 21, 2021, 3:49 PM CDT

This still has not happened.

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 17, 2023 07:37 AM (lwOKI)

72 So now it's okay to file a 'problematic' tax return and 'borrow' without attribution some tax write offs from a friend or neighbor?

Good to know.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 17, 2023 07:27 AM (enJYY)

If you're one of them, yup. Problematic is no problem.

Posted by: Ordinary American at December 17, 2023 07:37 AM (5MZCc)

73 I am a newbie here, only having posted a time or two on the food threads, but Wolfus, I think I can add a little more clarity with the other answers.

Here in Southeast TN, we have an agency that helps people choose Medicare plans and supplemental plans.

MA plans are easier, and usually cheaper. They handle everything, but if you have serious health issues, you may have to fight them to get coverage. If I understand correctly, they get paid a lump sum by Medicare. Keeping costs down is the only way they make money, as with all insurance companies. No matter what happens to you, they get paid a contacted amount.

Obviously, they are required to cover many basic things. However, in my case, I knew that my husband I and had upcoming joint replacement surgeries, and the counselor I worked with at the agency told me that I would have great difficulty getting the MA plans to cover physical therapy for any length of time.

I chose a supplemental plan, and at six months post surgery I was still in PT with no problem from the insurance company as long as my doctor prescribes it.

So, we have Medicare, Part B, a supplemental plan, and a drug plan. I chose not to buy eye and dental.

Posted by: Menagerie at December 17, 2023 07:37 AM (n/MLA)

74 #45
Full disclosure:

Dad had prostate cancer, metastatic to bones (after 10 years) Needed continual bloodwrk, bone scans, chemo and hormone therapies.

Hubby has end stage liver disease & inflammation of retina. There are a couple of horribly expen$ive scripts he must take.

My sincere sympathy and prayers for your family, and for you.
Blessings.

Posted by: Dan Patterson at December 17, 2023 07:38 AM (512Y6)

75 Veteran actor Jack Axelrod dies aged 93 of natural causes
https://mol.im/a/12873073

Repeating AC/DC's drummer Colin Burgess. 77, dies as the band pays tribute
https://mol.im/a/12871609

Posted by: Ciampino - Colin 77 eh, hmm. at December 17, 2023 07:39 AM (qfLjt)

76 Isn't WeirdDave an insurance guy?

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, on the tablet at December 17, 2023 07:40 AM (8C7+r)

77 Byeeee.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at December 17, 2023 07:41 AM (ScR16)

78 I've been on MA plans for years. Mine (Aetna) gives me some dental and eyeglasses coverage, and full prescription coverage. I have never paid a premium.

I have to see in-network docs, but that is no problem. I have had laser irodotomies done for glaucoma, hernia surgery, MOHS surgeries for skin, colonoscopies, pacemaker install, and more all done under the coverage.

It becomes unwieldy if you live half the year someplace else, because it is location specific. Your network might be a county or two, but if you need to see a doc out of network, other than an emergency, you are going to pay full boat.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at December 17, 2023 07:42 AM (KiBMU)

79 Wolfus, you might search for a "health insurance navigator" who is a person at a social service agency whom helps people find the right plan.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 17, 2023 07:42 AM (RIvkX)

80 Plan G is still available, and is next-best thing to Plan F-- we pay the monthly premiums plus the Medicare Annual Deductible. Nothing else for office visits, labs, testing...

But yeah, the Rx /dental /vision coverage is not included.

Posted by: JQ at December 17, 2023 07:43 AM (njWTi)

81 Isn't WeirdDave an insurance guy?
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, on the tablet at December 17, 2023 07:40 AM (8C7+r)
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Another good idea and I'm sure he's happy to answer questions.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 17, 2023 07:44 AM (RIvkX)

82 Truly fed up with the retirees from northern hellholes moving here and bitching about the lifestyle, the burning leaves, barking dogs, hunters' gunshots, fireworks and the general laconic redneckery (which I happen to appreciate). The wail goes up... "Why can't someone do something?" Someone means the dear nanny state you fled and do something means infringing on our fading freedoms you seem to fear.

As America circles the drain, I believe one last, strangled, gurgling collective cry will be, "someone do something!"

Posted by: Ordinary American at December 17, 2023 07:46 AM (5MZCc)

83
With my MA I get:
Rx/dental /vision
Free YMCA/gym from list
$60 /quarter OTC
Gifts at Christmas time
A few really minor copays
Point of purchase coverage
Home visits plus zoom anytime

It's a Blue Cross/Blue Shield product in the Philadelphia area. It's kinda embarrassing how good it is.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 17, 2023 07:49 AM (enJYY)

84 "Ignorant people in that age bracket shouldn't be allowed to vote, drive a car, or drink"

But I'm totes kool with letting them mutilate their bodies to conform to their gender fantasy.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 17, 2023 07:50 AM (hH3Px)

85 Hiya, JT.

Birdbath status?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState

Not frozen. (I wouldn't be-bop around out thar in my BVD's however, were I you.)

Posted by: JT at December 17, 2023 07:50 AM (T4tVD)

86 69
Yes. Yes, you have.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea, Radioactive Knight at December 17, 2023 07:35 AM (ScR16)
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I listened every week in the early 60s for a BBC rebroadcast in Kenya. Then in '69 (I was in South Africa by then) the Goonshows were going to be rebroadcast by the local radio (as they did every few years) and I went and bought an Akai reel-to-reel just for that. I still have it and all the tapes but I don't know what the condition of the tapes would be. I have the collection as mp3.

Posted by: Ciampino - The Canal - Neddy, we have television. at December 17, 2023 07:50 AM (qfLjt)

87 Hiya, JT.

Birdbath status?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState

It seems I had a thirsty visitor during the nacht.

Posted by: JT at December 17, 2023 07:52 AM (T4tVD)

88 Hiya, JT.

Birdbath status?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState

AHA ! So YOU'RE the nosy birdbath guy !

Posted by: JT at December 17, 2023 07:53 AM (T4tVD)

89 It seems I had a thirsty visitor during the nacht.
Posted by: JT at December 17, 2023 07:52 AM (T4tVD)
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*BURP*

Excuse me!

Posted by: Tweety Bird at December 17, 2023 07:53 AM (BpYfr)

90
I read recently that a serious reduction in salt intake is as effective as blood pressure medication. I quickly discovered the reason I prefer salted butter. Oh well, they say new habits take two weeks to 'take'. My taste buds will just have to adjust.

But OMG the sodium in soups, which I love, is crazy.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 17, 2023 07:54 AM (enJYY)

91 Excuse me!
Posted by: Tweety Bird at December 17, 2023 07:53 AM (BpYfr)

Hey, that's MY line!

Posted by: Steve Martin, prepping for an IRS audit at December 17, 2023 07:54 AM (PiwSw)

92 So I bought a 4Runner yesterday, looked at two a 2009 with relatively low miles and a 2013 with relatively high miles.

Selected the 2009 because it was simply in better condition.

Frame was mint, zero rust, engine purred like a kitten, handling was stellar, all in all, a very good vehicle.

The only thing is figuring out how to install a HAM radio cleanly.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 17, 2023 07:58 AM (XV/Pl)

93 Morning. It rained all night here in NE Florida. Still raining.

Posted by: dantesed at December 17, 2023 07:58 AM (88xKn)

94 Boker Tov Patriots

Supermarket delivery just came.

I like doing my own shopping but when we need those 6 cases of water, it's nice to have them delivered and for a $20 they get stacked nicely in the Garage

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2023 08:00 AM (PQ4m2)

95 Good morning Hordelings!

Posted by: Doof at December 17, 2023 08:02 AM (RFPHU)

96 Hiya Cap'n !

SIX CASES of water ?

Are you floating a Battleship ?

Posted by: JT at December 17, 2023 08:03 AM (T4tVD)

97 So, Jack Axelrod -- filthy degenerate drug abuse, or vaccine?
After all he was an architect, and once acted for Woody Allen.
I have faith we can come up with something to accuse him of.

Yoo hoo Polliwog: not drunk yet!

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at December 17, 2023 08:03 AM (FCs/J)

98 >>>when we need those 6 cases of water, it's nice to have them delivered and for a $20 they get stacked nicely in the Garage.
~~~~~

Hope you tip the poor delivery person well!

Posted by: IrishEi at December 17, 2023 08:04 AM (kQDzN)

99 Completely overcast out thar.

Posted by: JT at December 17, 2023 08:05 AM (T4tVD)

100
After two months hitting the gym almost daily with my free MA membership my bp went from an average of 135/85 to last reading this am 119/79. Weight pretty much unchanged. Resting heart rate much lower, into the 70's from the 80's.

Most of the time I just get on the treadmill, put on headphones and either watch and listen to tv or listen to music on my phone. Free wifi at the Y. I keep cranking the speed and the incline until I hit desired heartrate then stay at that for a half hour or so.

MA is a really good deal if you're healthy but they always remind 'coverage is dependent on contract renewal'.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 17, 2023 08:05 AM (enJYY)

101 @96

>>Are you floating a Battleship?

Probably runs a hotdog stand, that's the only thing that makes sense.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 17, 2023 08:05 AM (XV/Pl)

102 Birdbath status?

Posted by: Just Wondering at December 17, 2023 08:05 AM (NBVIP)

103 Birdbath status?
Posted by: Just Wondering at December 17, 2023 08:05 AM (NBVIP)

Its Deja Vu all over again !

Not frozen

Posted by: JT at December 17, 2023 08:06 AM (T4tVD)

104 Yonder Horde

> Ciampino - I am in a time warp, help!

Your station's clock, the actual chip is probably hosed. I don't know of a way to check to see if the LaCrosse's sync with Boulder is being dropped other than checking the settings. If they're correct the actual chip that keeps time is likely bad.

Probably due to improper current... AKA "cheap Chinese shit."

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 17, 2023 08:06 AM (Q4IgG)

105 Hope you tip the poor delivery person well!
Posted by: IrishEi at December 17, 2023 08:04 AM (kQDzN)
$20 bucks

Guy looked like a huge NFL Lineman. He carried them like they toothpicks lol

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2023 08:07 AM (PQ4m2)

106 ... 'coverage is dependent on contract renewal'.
Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 17, 2023 08:05 AM (enJYY)
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That's probably true of the supplemental plans too. I'm waiting for the day that I'm told Plan F is being discontinued even though I am currently grandfathered in.

Posted by: IrishEi at December 17, 2023 08:07 AM (kQDzN)

107 Morning Horde. Looks like we're getting up to 3 inches of rain with high winds here in the mid Hudson later today into Monday. Could be a couple of feet of snow, so I guess not so bad.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 17, 2023 08:08 AM (IZPBd)

108 90
I read recently that a serious reduction in salt intake is as effective as blood pressure medication. I quickly discovered the reason I prefer salted butter. Oh well, they say new habits take two weeks to 'take'. My taste buds will just have to adjust.

But OMG the sodium in soups, which I love, is crazy.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 17, 2023 07:54 AM (enJYY)
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That sodium and BP was debunked long ago. There was no research on it, just something that someone, probably the AMA, came up with because they only had a superficial knowledge of chemistry and had done the potato experiment. And we suffered all these years for no reason. Now if you have adrenal gland or kidney issues then it's another matter.
We actually discussed this a little while ago.

Posted by: Ciampino - If you eat too much salt you'll pee it. at December 17, 2023 08:08 AM (qfLjt)

109 Are you floating a Battleship?

The way my wife cooks, I am on bread and butter and water diet LOL

But I am getting down to my fighting weight

24 pounds under max allowable weight if I were still in the Navy

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2023 08:09 AM (PQ4m2)

110 $20 bucks
Guy looked like a huge NFL Lineman. He carried them like they toothpicks lol
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2023 08:07 AM (PQ4m2)
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Nice!

(I thought the $20 was the delivery fee from the store/Instacart.)

Posted by: IrishEi at December 17, 2023 08:09 AM (kQDzN)

111 Nice!

(I thought the $20 was the delivery fee from the store/Instacart.)
Posted by: IrishEi at December 17, 2023 08:09 AM (kQDzN)

$20 dollars for the delivery guy up and above what Shop and Stop charges

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2023 08:10 AM (PQ4m2)

112 Probably runs a hotdog stand, that's the only thing that makes sense.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 17, 2023 08:05 AM (XV/Pl)
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They don't call them dirty water dogs for nothing.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 17, 2023 08:10 AM (RIvkX)

113 104 Yonder Horde

> Ciampino - I am in a time warp, help!

Your station's clock, the actual chip is probably hosed. I don't know of a way to check to see if the LaCrosse's sync with Boulder is being dropped other than checking the settings. If they're correct the actual chip that keeps time is likely bad.

Probably due to improper current... AKA "cheap Chinese shit."

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 17, 2023 08:06 AM (Q4IgG)
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Or maybe I need to change the batteries. I've just realized these have been in a very long time. I'll do that and report back.

Posted by: Ciampino - The equipment is at least 10 years old at December 17, 2023 08:11 AM (qfLjt)

114 That sodium and BP was debunked long ago.
Posted by: Ciampino - If you eat too much salt you'll pee it. at December 17, 2023 08:08 AM (qfLjt)

Correct. Actually new studies show sodium reduction can lead to premature heart attack.
https://tinyurl.com/267be594

Increasing potassium may be better solution. Americans on average don't consume nearly enough potassium.

Posted by: Ordinary American at December 17, 2023 08:13 AM (5MZCc)

115 My cardiologist put me on a 2000mg limit after heart attack and stent. Said it was about preventing edema and also said to keep an eye out fir swelling in lower legs. 2000mg is like 83% RDA. Wasn't had to budget one low sodium meal and eat normal otherwise.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf, on the tablet at December 17, 2023 08:13 AM (8C7+r)

116 24 pounds under max allowable weight if I were still in the Navy
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2023 08:09 AM (PQ4m2)
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Where can you begin to make your dreams all come true
On the land or on the sea
Where can you learn to fly
Play in sports and skin dive
Study oceanography
Sign up for the big band
Or sit in the grandstand
When your team and others meet
In the navy
Yes, you can sail the seven seas
In the navy
Yes, you can put your mind at ease
In the navy

Posted by: Village People at December 17, 2023 08:13 AM (RIvkX)

117 My calender says its Gaudete Sunday .

WTF is that ?

Posted by: JT at December 17, 2023 08:13 AM (T4tVD)

118 110 $20 bucks
Guy looked like a huge NFL Lineman. He carried them like they toothpicks lol
Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 17, 2023 08:07 AM (PQ4m2)
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Nice!

(I thought the $20 was the delivery fee from the store/Instacart.)

Posted by: IrishEi at December 17, 2023 08:09 AM (kQDzN)
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Nah, $20 same as in town.

Posted by: Ciampino - Cheap at the price at December 17, 2023 08:13 AM (qfLjt)

119
Now if you have adrenal gland or kidney issues then it's another matter.
We actually discussed this a little while ago.

Posted by: Ciampino - If you eat too much salt you'll pee it.

Maybe I do, although lab work came back okay. All I know is my BP before a bowl of soup and after and its nearly a 10 point jump. Usually my BP DROPS after a meal. So I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do. I have absolutely no desire to be on any meds.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 17, 2023 08:14 AM (enJYY)

120 117 My calender says its Gaudete Sunday .

WTF is that ?

Posted by: JT at December 17, 2023 08:13 AM (T4tVD)
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Rejoice?

Posted by: Ciampino - Cheap at the price! at December 17, 2023 08:14 AM (qfLjt)

121 "Probably due to improper current... AKA "cheap Chinese shit."

Posted by: Martini Farmer"

As the battery dies, the radio waves are elongated which causes inaccuracy. You can get a radio wave compressor to put in front of your clock and it will fix that problem.

Posted by: Is this the tech thread? at December 17, 2023 08:15 AM (vFG9F)

122 My radio wave compressor has a camera on one side and a LCD screen on the other so you can still see the clock.

Posted by: an expert at December 17, 2023 08:19 AM (vFG9F)

123 > Or maybe I need to change the batteries. I've just realized these have been in a very long time. I'll do that and report back.
Posted by: Ciampino - The equipment is at least 10 years old
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I have several battery powered clocks around the house. A couple of them worked fine. For a while. Then started to lose time. I put in new batteries and the same thing would happen. I'd only get about a week or two, then they'd stop keeping time.

I tested the batteries. 1.5v AA size. Most were at 1.3v which I assumed was sufficient. I grew frustrated as I have other 1.5v clocks that haven't had a battery change in over a year.

So... I bought a set of clock mechanisms on Amazon. They're for crafts, making your own clocks. Just the clock motor / mechanism and a selection of hour, minute and second hands. No numbers or clock faces.

These work fine. Been running with the batteries that originally wouldn't work. Not difficult to replace.

I realize you're weather station's clock isn't like this, but I thought I'd share some useless knowledge this morning.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 17, 2023 08:20 AM (Q4IgG)

124 JT. Third Sunday of Advent. Austerity in the church is put on hold for one week of the 4 weeks of Advent. We are allowed to rejoice that the Jesus' arrival is imminent. Colors in the church are changed from purple to rose. Catholic version, not sure how other denominations handle Gaudete Sunday.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at December 17, 2023 08:22 AM (2NHgQ)

125 JT. Third Sunday of Advent. Austerity in the church is put on hold for one week of the 4 weeks of Advent. We are allowed to rejoice that the Jesus' arrival is imminent. Colors in the church are changed from purple to rose. Catholic version, not sure how other denominations handle Gaudete Sunday.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at December 17, 2023 08:22 AM (2NHgQ)

Thank you.

I did not know that.

Posted by: JT at December 17, 2023 08:25 AM (T4tVD)

126 123
I realize you're weather station's clock isn't like this, but I thought I'd share some useless knowledge this morning.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 17, 2023 08:20 AM (Q4IgG)
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Thank you. That triggered my old memory module! I seem to remember a long time ago some battery-operated digital clocks running fast as the voltage got too low. Now my car's clock tends to slowly lose time. (Car is 2000 Dodge Intrepid, not quite as old as me LOL).

Posted by: Ciampino - What is time but a Whitey construct .... at December 17, 2023 08:27 AM (qfLjt)

127 AHA ! So YOU'RE the nosy birdbath guy !
Posted by: JT at December 17, 2023 07:53 AM

Nah...not me. In before the nosy birdbath guy.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 17, 2023 08:28 AM (rru9C)

128 Good morning all! Finally getting some sun today. Later, dinner out with the kiddos then a visit to the Magic Tree. My heart is happy

Posted by: jewells45 fuck cancer at December 17, 2023 08:28 AM (iF0sF)

129 Morning, all.

A lovely piece of Advent music I had never heard before:
"This is the Record of John" by Orlando Gibbons (1583-1625)
https://tinyurl.com/4nhb7y9k

"Gaudete Sunday" takes its name from the first word of the Introit of the Mass for that day.

' Rejoice in the Lord always; again I say, rejoice! Let your moderation be known to all men. The Lord is near. Have no anxiety; but in every prayer let your petitions be made known to God."

It's also the first day of the seven "O Antiphons" from the Divine Office. You're familiar with them from "O Come, O Come, Emmanuel".

Posted by: sal: tolle adversarium et afflige inimicum at December 17, 2023 08:28 AM (KB0Aa)

130 Frame was mint, zero rust, engine purred like a kitten, handling was stellar, all in all, a very good vehicle.

You got that in PA?

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 17, 2023 08:29 AM (R4t5M)

131 *Colors in the church are changed from purple to rose. Catholic version, not sure how other denominations handle Gaudete Sunday.*

Fried chicken.

Posted by: Southern Baptists at December 17, 2023 08:29 AM (NBVIP)

132 128
jewells, glad you're happy today.
Rejoice in The Lord and have fun.

Posted by: Ciampino - What is time but a Whitey construct ... at December 17, 2023 08:30 AM (qfLjt)

133 Thank you.

I did not know that.
Posted by: JT at December 17, 2023 08:25 AM (T4tVD)
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Me either.

Posted by: Village People at December 17, 2023 08:30 AM (RIvkX)

134 /off fabulous sock

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 17, 2023 08:31 AM (RIvkX)

135 >>> Now my car's clock tends to slowly lose time.

My car clocks have always drifted forward. I deliberately set it two minutes behind last month.

Posted by: fluffy at December 17, 2023 08:31 AM (86W+h)

136 46 mornin yall. 51% of Americans between the ages of 18 and 24 don't have the sense God gave a brick.
Posted by: Chuncho's Revenge at December 17, 2023 07:11 AM (vFG9F)

yes - from the same poll, "79% of Americans between 18-24 believe that "white people are oppressors" and that this ideology should be "favored today at universities and for employment."

Wait til they find out that this applies to them.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 17, 2023 08:32 AM (S6gqv)

137 Pancakes with real butter and real maple syrup and a side of bacon.

More coffee...

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 17, 2023 08:32 AM (R/m4+)

138 What is the Magic Tree?

Elves making cookies?

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 17, 2023 08:32 AM (RIvkX)

139 @96 Are you floating a Battleship ?

The Prince of Wales: I've spent enough on you to build a battleship.

Lillie Langtry: And you've spent enough in me to float one!

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at December 17, 2023 08:32 AM (FCs/J)

140 So if Alex Jones has to pay billions for saying that the shooting was a hoax, can the Jews collect billions from our universities for teaching that the holocaust was a hoax, or never happened?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 17, 2023 08:33 AM (hH3Px)

141 Need more coffee!

Posted by: forex telegram signals at December 17, 2023 08:33 AM (bdaFK)

142 131 *Colors in the church are changed from purple to rose. Catholic version, not sure how other denominations handle Gaudete Sunday.*

Fried chicken.
Posted by: Southern Baptists at December 17, 2023 08:29 AM (NBVIP)

the "High Church" protestants always do that, ie Lutherans and Epsicopalians.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 17, 2023 08:33 AM (S6gqv)

143 When I married Rev, who is Lutheran, I got introduced to all the liturgical seasons and colors and hymns. Being raised Baptist, it was all new to me. I never cared for most of the Advent hymns. They seemed so somber. I wanted to sing Joy To The World, but alas.

Posted by: grammie winger - I don't belong here at December 17, 2023 08:34 AM (45fpk)

144 Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at December 17, 2023 08:22 AM (2NHgQ)

Thanks. Any church which tends to go by the lectionary readings/ three year cycle of readings from the Old and New Testament, recognizes Advent and lights an Advent wreath recognizes this Sunday as " Joyful" Sunday even if we don't use the Latin term Gaudete. I put some comments about it in the tech thread about 6:00. Blessed Gaidete Sunday to you!

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 17, 2023 08:34 AM (RSbhh)

145 Time is a social construct.

It's also racist.

Trying to change time demonstrates you are a white supremist and an agent of the patriarchy.

H8t3rs

Posted by: Leftist Time Keeper at December 17, 2023 08:35 AM (Q4IgG)

146 "What is the Magic Tree?"

The Entwives know.

Posted by: Paolo Treebeard at December 17, 2023 08:36 AM (SYTee)

147 When I married Rev, who is Lutheran, I got introduced to all the liturgical seasons and colors and hymns. Being raised Baptist, it was all new to me. I never cared for most of the Advent hymns. They seemed so somber. I wanted to sing Joy To The World, but alas.

Posted by: grammie winger - I don't belong here at December 17, 2023 08:34 AM (45fpk)

Funny, we sing that all the time.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 17, 2023 08:36 AM (Angsy)

148 Lorena McKennitt "Emmanuel"

https://youtu.be/vo1HVrpelYA?si=7lJ5ONPJDnno39Bd

Posted by: logprof at December 17, 2023 08:37 AM (DLe+U)

149 Good morning horde

Posted by: Skip at December 17, 2023 08:38 AM (fwDg9)

150 I will miss the book thread today, but if you need a Christmas themed book for elementary ages, the kids loved "Hank the Cowdog: The Wounded Buzzard on Christmas Eve".

Lessons on generosity and kindness gently and humorously taught. Plus, it features Wallace and Junior.

I've always regretted that my first two were too old for that series. My son, especially, would have loved them.

Posted by: sal: tolle adversarium et afflige inimicum at December 17, 2023 08:38 AM (KB0Aa)

151 124
I was a Catholic from birth to my late 20s and in all that time no one actually told us (me) how the colors of the vestment changed, what they meant, etc. Bad. Instead of preaching about giving more money to the church, planned giving, etc., they could have spent 10 minutes on a Sunday such as this, educating the masses.

Posted by: Ciampino - When God started the clock, the Universe came into being. at December 17, 2023 08:38 AM (qfLjt)

152 Typo. " Gaudete" . We are singing " God rest you merry, gentleman " and Joy to the World" among a few other hymns for this day

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 17, 2023 08:38 AM (RSbhh)

153 A lovely piece of Advent music I had never heard before:
"This is the Record of John" by Orlando Gibbons (1583-1625)
https://tinyurl.com/4nhb7y9k

Thank you, I had not heard that - very good and authentic recording, you can hear that the lead is sung by a countertenor.

(from search: What is a countertenor? A countertenor is a male singer who can sing as high as a soprano or mezzo-soprano. The countertenor is the rarest of all voice types.)

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 17, 2023 08:39 AM (S6gqv)

154 "Trying to change time demonstrates you are a white supremist and an agent of the patriarchy.

H8t3rs
Posted by: Leftist Time Keeper "

Even the word "time" is oppressive. I suggest we instead use "farzrohr".

Posted by: fd at December 17, 2023 08:39 AM (vFG9F)

155 A Georgia judge will allow Fulton County ballots to be unsealed and examined for evidence of fraud
Kelly McLaughlin and Grace Panetta May 21, 2021, 3:49 PM CDT

big floppy pimp hats and purple suit for church attire.

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 17, 2023 08:40 AM (lwOKI)

156 Posted by: Ciampino - When God started the clock, the Universe came into being. at December 17, 2023 08:38 AM (qfLjt)

I try to educate the masses-well the very small group- every Sunday 😉. I explain what each of the candles mean. We don't change to pink paraments but we do have a pink candle in our Advent wreath

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 17, 2023 08:41 AM (RSbhh)

157 Who makes time with the timekeeper's daughter when the timekeeper's busy keeping time?

https://youtu.be/X6u6jvhno-c

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 17, 2023 08:42 AM (NBVIP)

158 A fun version of "God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen" by Annie Lennox:
https://tinyurl.com/39v9fme6

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 17, 2023 08:42 AM (S6gqv)

159
I wanted to sing Joy To The World, but alas.

Posted by: grammie winger - I don't belong here at December 17, 2023 08:34 AM

My mom was always searching for the 'right' denomination so I was exposed to Lutheran, Methodist, and Presbyterian services. My favorite tune (I think it was the Presbyterians) was 'Onward Christian Soldiers' as that was always the sign the service was over. Teenage boy and church wasn't the best combination.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at December 17, 2023 08:43 AM (enJYY)

160 Several years ago someone decided to put hundreds of colored lights on a tree that sat all by itself in the middle of an empty field. Don't ask me where the electricity came from lol... anyway over the years hay bales were added, a porta pottie etc so people visiting could sit (and shit I guess). It only stands about 15 feet high so not tall but it has nice shape to it. It's gotten very popular.

Posted by: jewells45 fuck cancer at December 17, 2023 08:43 AM (iF0sF)

161 Morning all.

Posted by: Muad'dib at December 17, 2023 08:45 AM (ER9HB)

162 logprof. Thanks. Beautiful tune. Added the album to my collection.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at December 17, 2023 08:45 AM (2NHgQ)

163 Related to time...

The International Fixed Calendar divides the year into 13 months of 28 days each. A type of perennial calendar, every date is fixed to the same weekday every year.

Never adopted. But every months starts on Sunday, ends on Saturday. No "leap year."

Days/nights still 24 hours.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 17, 2023 08:46 AM (Q4IgG)

164 You think there is a big diff in a 2014 with 21k vs 30k miles?

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 17, 2023 08:47 AM (lwOKI)

165 I never cared for most of the Advent hymns. They seemed so somber. I wanted to sing Joy To The World, but alas.

Posted by: grammie winger - I don't belong here at December 17, 2023 08:34 AM (45fpk)

The sense of Advent as a penitential season- not as strict as Lent, but still not a time for merry-making- has been almost completely lost.
Christmas is for the fun and celebration, which is why it lasts twelve days.
Trads have to choose their battles with secular culture on this wisely.

Posted by: sal: tolle adversarium et afflige inimicum at December 17, 2023 08:48 AM (KB0Aa)

166 Alison Kraus and Yo To Ma the Wexford Carol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxDZjg_Igoc

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at December 17, 2023 08:48 AM (2NHgQ)

167 Here's an article about the magic tree.

https://tinyurl.com/4pe58hm8

Posted by: jewells45 fuck cancer at December 17, 2023 08:48 AM (iF0sF)

168 Sunday Morning Book Thread...

T-10 minutes

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 17, 2023 08:50 AM (BpYfr)

169 My favorite Christmas songs are 'Silent Night' and 'Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas'.

Posted by: dantesed at December 17, 2023 08:50 AM (88xKn)

170 Large weather we're having.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at December 17, 2023 08:50 AM (Dm8we)

171 It just doesn't feel like Christmas. Maybe it's me.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 17, 2023 08:50 AM (R4t5M)

172 Not sure I've ever rested merry. But then, I'm not sure I've ever been a gentleman, either.

Posted by: Quarter Twenty at December 17, 2023 08:50 AM (NBVIP)

173 Speaking of Gaudete....

For your listening pleasure:

"Gaudete" by Steeleye Span

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTbq2pPLW6I

There you go. Now you're all Advented up!

Posted by: naturalfake at December 17, 2023 08:51 AM (QzZeQ)

174 The International Fixed Calendar divides the year into 13 months of 28 days each. A type of perennial calendar, every date is fixed to the same weekday every year.

Never adopted. But every months starts on Sunday, ends on Saturday. No "leap year."

Days/nights still 24 hours.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 17, 2023 08:46 AM (Q4IgG)

that's a Lunar calendar, which may be older (at least as far as men have used one) than the 12 month solar calendar, which was originally 12 months of 30 days with 5 special days exempt from the counting. (holy-days)

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 17, 2023 08:51 AM (S6gqv)

175 sal. We have a very traditional priest and he keeps with the old traditions of Advent as penitential and the 12 days as the joyful celebration. I'm in the church decorating group and we will not put up the Christmas decorations until after morning Mass next Sunday. It's an odd year since the last week of Advent is part the day and Christmas Eve is later that day. Going to be a busy day.

Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at December 17, 2023 08:52 AM (2NHgQ)

176 "She also seems to think that Medicare Advantage plans are not a good deal; that you have to ask them permission before you go to see even one of their in-network doctors, or something like that. For those of you on an MA plan, is that true?"

I just made an appointment with an in network doc. They verified my coverage of course. I'm happy with the doctor. She's very young and up on the latest treatments. No complaints. No out-of-pocket expenses yet. I have a BC/BS of TN plan.

Posted by: Tuna at December 17, 2023 08:52 AM (oaGWv)

177 that's a Lunar calendar, which may be older (at least as far as men have used one) than the 12 month solar calendar, which was originally 12 months of 30 days with 5 special days exempt from the counting. (holy-days)

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 17, 2023 08:51 AM (S6gqv)

So, you'd have to be a lunatic to use it.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 17, 2023 08:52 AM (Angsy)

178 139 @96 Are you floating a Battleship ?

The Prince of Wales: I've spent enough on you to build a battleship.

Lillie Langtry: And you've spent enough in me to float one!

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at December 17, 2023 08:32 AM (FCs/J)
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Of course the British did have a famous battleship called the Prince of Wales. Sunk by the Japs in 1941, a couple of days after Pearl Harbor.
https://is.gd/PyfMQR
One of the high schools in Nairobi was the Prince of Wales School. I went to the rival Duke of York school - we even had the battleship's bell, after the ship was decommissioned in 1957. Cool.

Posted by: Ciampino - When God started the clock, the Universe came into being... at December 17, 2023 08:53 AM (qfLjt)

179 The International Fixed Calendar divides the year into 13 months of 28 days each.

So instead of being off the solar cycle by roughly 1/4 day per year, it's off by 1 1/4? Pretty soon, Christmas will be in summer, no?

Posted by: Oddbob at December 17, 2023 08:53 AM (XGdSh)

180 small somber note from Israel - now Hamas itself has said "no more negotiations" - was to be expected once all their leaders fled and went into hiding. So now this is a pure fight to the death, no other options left. I doubt anyone who's serious is surprised, although I'm sure Biden and Blinken are.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 17, 2023 08:54 AM (S6gqv)

181 I was a Catholic from birth to my late 20s and in all that time no one actually told us (me) how the colors of the vestment changed, what they meant, etc. Bad. Instead of preaching about giving more money to the church, planned giving, etc., they could have spent 10 minutes on a Sunday such as this, educating the masses.
Posted by: Ciampino - When God started the clock, the Universe came into being. at December 17, 2023 08:38 AM (qfLjt)
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I did 14 years of Catholic school in NYC and learned these things from a very early age. And sure, the Church asks for money--all churches do. But I will tell you that my grammar school tuition was not completely, but was very nearly, covered by bake sales, raffles, rackets and bingo. Otherwise, there was no way my parents could have afforded to send all of us there.

Posted by: IrishEi at December 17, 2023 08:55 AM (L5aQB)

182 " It just doesn't feel like Christmas. Maybe it's me."

First Christmas without my husband and my son is going to be at his in laws this year. So I get your not feeling like it's Christmas thing. Maybe when I get around to wrapping presents this week I'll get a little more of the spirit.

Posted by: Tuna at December 17, 2023 08:57 AM (oaGWv)

183 Not that you'll probably run around singing this one.

But, here's a traditional English Christmas carol:

"The Boar's Head" sung by Maddy Prior and the Carnival band

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z6Z_3I0vNY

Posted by: naturalfake at December 17, 2023 08:57 AM (QzZeQ)

184 Book thread up.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 17, 2023 09:00 AM (Angsy)

185 So now this is a pure fight to the death, no other options left.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 17, 2023 08:54 AM (S6gqv)
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There never were other options. We should have done it straight from day 1.

Posted by: Biden's Dog sniffs a whole lotta malarkey, at December 17, 2023 09:00 AM (zvEEc)

186 "rest merry"
means joyful in the Lord and gentleman means a male person as ladies and gentlemen. Group of male carollers used to sing this

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 17, 2023 09:00 AM (oe+pp)

187 I'm in the church decorating group and we will not put up the Christmas decorations until after morning Mass next Sunday. It's an odd year since the last week of Advent is part the day and Christmas Eve is later that day. Going to be a busy day.
Posted by: neverenoughcaffeine at December 17, 2023 08:52 AM (2NHgQ)

Yes, 4th Sunday/Christmas Eve calls for some creativity.
And some fast gift-wrapping, if you buy everything on line.

Posted by: sal: tolle adversarium et afflige inimicum at December 17, 2023 09:00 AM (KB0Aa)

188 Posted by: Tuna at December 17, 2023 08:57 AM (oaGWv)

Sorry for your loss. May the Lord comfort you, The promise of Christmas is that Christ is with us in everything including our sorrows and losses. So whatever you feel is fine

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 17, 2023 09:03 AM (oe+pp)

189 Gaudete" by Steeleye Span

Thanks I like that Carol and Steeleye Span.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 17, 2023 09:05 AM (oe+pp)

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