The Day After Hamas [Diogenes]

The human toll of the Israel-Hamas war has been horrific. The loss of life, the trauma, and the level of destruction in the Strip is going to profoundly influence of both Gazans and Israelis for the next generation. Further, the economic costs of the war will be in the billions and even amortized over the next decade, it is going to impact Israel’s economic future. Gaza too but it's not like they had much of an economy to begin with.

But, out of this mess, what’s next? What happens once Hamas is gone?
Unlike my previous posts with CBD, this one is really open to speculation as I certainly do not claim to know the answers and most of the Horde is just as good as I am about predicting the future. In short, we just don’t know what will happen, but it will be enlightening to see how it plays out.

So what do we know? The brief ceasefire allowed pundits to report their observations and the news is indeed grim. The United Nations Office (sure…they’re reliable) for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) has said that more than 1.8 million people have been displaced from their homes since Israel’s campaign began. (Notice how they say it’s Israel’s campaign?) If true, that means that nearly every person in Gaza has been displaced and that just hasn’t happened…yet. My own personal estimate is about half of that, with most from Northern Gaza and Gaza City. Further, another highly reliable source (sarc), the Gaza Health Ministry, states that more than 14,000 Gazans — roughly 40% of them under 18 — have been killed in Israel’s military operation. I don’t think anyone has any idea how many have died, much less their ages, and likely we won’t know for some months ahead. But we do understand the fighting has been intense and brutal. Such is the nature of war.

So…assuming victory, what is Israel to do? And let me say here, victory, while highly probable, is not assured. No war goes according to plan and this one won’t either. Yes, the IDF has recovered from the Hamas attack and is clearly having its way on the battlefield, but as they move south and slice and dice Gaza, the opportunity and the urge for other regional States, the US, and/or the UN, to poke their noses in may be inevitable. How will Netanyahu’s government react? Can the rest of the world force Israel to stop yet again? Time will tell.

I would offer that Step One is to obviously and once goals are met, stop fighting. This however, is not as easy as it sounds nor is it just declaring a ceasefire. Israel’s clear goal seems to be, total victory, and rightly so, followed by unconditional surrender by the Palestinians. Of course, that requires some Palestinian entity to legitimately represent the Palis in any surrender. In previous posts, I have said that I believe that at some level, the Israeli government has, or had, some contact with the administrators of the de facto Gazan State, even if working through an intermediary. I also have assumed that this contact has continued throughout the fighting. If so, then it is logical that at some point this group becomes the Gazan representatives to sign the surrender. If not, then a puppet representative is good enough. I truly believe the Israeli’s are Machiavellian enough to work this way. The Palestinians though…? Perhaps, as CBD has told me, I overestimate the Palestinians. He could be right.

Even with no such group, the IDF will stop fighting when they believe their goals have been achieved. Those goals have been clearly laid out by the Netanyahu government: Destroy Hamas, Demilitarize Gaza, and De-radicalize the enclave. Defense Minister Yoav Gallant refines this a bit. He said war with Hamas falls into three phases: the first continues the current bombardment and ground operations aimed at “neutralizing terrorists and destroying Hamas infrastructure”; the second phase involves lower intensity fighting to eliminate “pockets of resistance” in Gaza; and the third is the “removal of Israel’s responsibility for life in the Gaza Strip and the establishment of a new security reality” for Israelis. He stressed this point: Israel would no longer have “responsibility for life in the Gaza Strip” once the war was over. This is telling.

And notice this doesn’t say much about rebuilding.

Israel has informed several Arab states that it wants to carve out a buffer zone on the Palestinian side of Gaza's border to prevent future attacks as part of proposals for an enclave after war ends. These states include Egypt and Jordan, the United Arab Emirates, and through intermediaries, Saudi Arabia. Interestingly, no Arab state has shown any willingness to police or administer Gaza in the future. That may change if the UN waves enough of our money at them.

Going back to my thoughts…along with someone to sign a surrender, I have always thought a “mini-Marshall Plan for the Strip in conjunction with a De-Hamasization Plan would be the way to rebuild. Who would oversee it is a big question, one that likely has no answer. But given the strident tone of Defense Minister Gallant’s comments, Israel may settle for crushing the Palestinians and leaving them to their own devices. Not, in my opinion, a good long term choice, but perhaps the best short-term one. Netanyahu wants to de-radicalizing the Strip. That, I think, will take far longer than this war. A whole generation perhaps.

So what do you do with 1.8 million (minus a few tens of thousands) defeated people? As pointed out in comments on Tuesday, Northern Gaza is essentially uninhabitable. It is a wasteland. We are seeing indication that the IDF is carving Gaza into five sectors for combat. Each will face its own destruction. The IDF can crush the Palis, build the barrier, and leave them. They can crush the Palis and institute a policy of laissez-faire servitude to rebuild Gaza…work to rebuild and you get food, water and a place to sleep. (Probably would not be popular in the West but it might actually work.) They can crush the Palis and set up the infrastructure to reestablish the basics of water, electricity, and food and then leave them. Or they can tell the Islamic states and/or the UN to come clean it up. Easily the worst solution for the Palis. Neither the Israelis nor the UN wants to see a Pali holocaust, although the Arab states might not care.

We shall see.

God help us if the Administration starts letting them resettle in the US.
Again, the Horde can create concepts and ideas on his as well as I can. What do you see on The Day After Hamas? I’m looking forward to your input.

["Diogenes" has multiple graduate degrees with a focus on the Middle East, and an Army Intelligence Officer graduate of both the Army and USMC Command and Staff Colleges.]

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1 Or they can tell the Islamic states and/or the UN to come clean it up. Easily the worst solution for the Palis. Neither the Israelis nor the UN wants to see a Pali holocaust, although the Arab states might not care.

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Or, I suppose they could become a military dictatorship over the region for a generation, the real "occupation" that the left has pretended they were of Gaza since Israel left Gaza 20 years ago.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 11:22 AM (GBKbO)

2 Send 'em to China. They're running out of Uighurs for slave labor.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 08, 2023 11:22 AM (JrojV)

3 The Day After was a pretty good bit of psyprop entertainment BTW

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 08, 2023 11:23 AM (xcxpd)

4 Anyway, good job again Diogenes

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 08, 2023 11:23 AM (xcxpd)

5 Does any Muslim group ever get wiped out or at least shut down?

Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2023 11:23 AM (L/sed)

6 The fruits of Biden's policy.

No Casualties Reported After U.S. Embassy in Baghdad Is Attacked With Rockets

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 08, 2023 11:24 AM (FVME7)

7 Hey. Everything's okay. The U.S. Navy is skirting sanctions against Russia.

https://tinyurl.com/sxp4f3p8

"US Naval Station Norfolk hosts tanker with Russian oil products, bypassing embargo"

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 08, 2023 11:24 AM (lf83v)

8 "So what do you do with 1.8 million (minus a few tens of thousands) defeated people?"

Dignity canal.

Posted by: fd at December 08, 2023 11:24 AM (vFG9F)

9 Does any Muslim group ever get wiped out or at least shut down?
Posted by: Skip

The Assassins.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 08, 2023 11:25 AM (JrojV)

10 All,
I have to take my yakking dog to the dog doc. I'm sorry I'm not here to chat with you.
I will read the thread later and answer what questions I can on Monday.
Enjoy and keep the good insights coming!

Posted by: Diogenes at December 08, 2023 11:25 AM (D5AZF)

11 I don’t think even 1000 Palis are dead.

Posted by: Montec at December 08, 2023 11:25 AM (Tll0L)

12 Sorry, we're topped out on our refugee allotment here between the boat people and the Somalis. Moose out front should have told ya.

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at December 08, 2023 11:25 AM (5C4od)

13 10 Hope the pooch is OK, Diogenese.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 08, 2023 11:26 AM (JrojV)

14 This is a fascinating question. Biden and Blinken have been screaming at Israel not to move ahead until they Have a Plan for the aftermath. Israel said "We have a plan. Fuck You, They Die, that's the Plan. You want more plan than that? Okay you make a plan."

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2023 11:26 AM (i9ffA)

15 Thanks for the thoughtful post , Diogenes!

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 11:26 AM (V13WU)

16 The Senile Old Bastard will do his best to prevent Israel from winning m

Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 08, 2023 11:27 AM (hCt6Y)

17 Here’s why will happen.

The US and EU send a bajillion dollars in aid. 90% of that will end up in Swiss bank accounts controlled by Hamas leaders in Qatar.

Posted by: Montec at December 08, 2023 11:27 AM (Tll0L)

18 Plans will evolve....

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 11:27 AM (V13WU)

19 16 The Senile Old Bastard will do his best to prevent Israel from winning m
Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 08, 2023 11:27 AM (hCt6Y)

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Odds on a US marine fighting side by side with Hamas, hiding behind some civilians, while firing at Israeli soldiers?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 11:28 AM (GBKbO)

20 As for the day after Hamas....if such a thing is possible so long as Iran has money to dump into the region...I expect the Gazans will be moved to the West Bank, first in refugee camps and then maybe into UN created mass housing. They gotta go somewhere and I don't see Jordan or Egypt taking them in.

Then the Gaza Strip becomes a big landing strip or parking lot.

That's just my guess.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 08, 2023 11:28 AM (xcxpd)

21 17 Here’s why will happen.

The US and EU send a bajillion dollars in aid. 90% of that will end up in Swiss bank accounts controlled by Hamas leaders in Qatar.
Posted by: Montec at December 08, 2023 11:27 AM (Tll0L)

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The next 9% will be in Cayman Island accounts.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 11:28 AM (GBKbO)

22 I would think it's done when it becomes the largest paved parking lot on the planet.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 08, 2023 11:29 AM (VwHCD)

23 Odds on a US marine fighting side by side with Hamas, hiding behind some civilians, while firing at Israeli soldiers?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 11:28 AM (GBKbO)

non-zero chance, nowadays. The US Armed Forces aren't what they used to be.

Welcome back, Btw

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 08, 2023 11:29 AM (xcxpd)

24 If I had my magic wand, I'd do the following:

1) Obtain unconditional surrender from whatever government in Gaza remains. Make them sign a document, and broadcast it to the entirety of Gaza, phones, TV whatever. They need to know Hamas is beaten and will never come back.

2) Everyone who participated or planned the Oct 7 attack is tried and executed.

3) Make it clear that the area will be under Israeli control as long as there are any more hostilities.

4) De-radical-lslamify all schools, TV, hospitals etc. No more children's shows that teach hatred of Jews. No more anti-Semitic propaganda.

4) Institute a rebuilding program, teaching Gazans how to properly take care of the infrastructure. Employ them to rebuild their own structures, giving them a stake in the rebuilding.

5) Keep. The. U.N. Out. They will just meddle and screw everything up.

Then and Only then should they consider Gazan self-governance.

Posted by: Geoff Shotts at December 08, 2023 11:29 AM (13ivK)

25 As pointed out in comments on Tuesday, Northern Gaza is essentially uninhabitable. It is a wasteland.
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After yesterday's photos of captured Hamas fighters, I think the only humane thing to do at this point is lift sanctions on Nutri-Slim shipments to Gaza.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 08, 2023 11:29 AM (lf83v)

26 22 I would think it's done when it becomes the largest paved parking lot on the planet.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 08, 2023 11:29 AM (VwHCD)

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The only just thing is to let Gaia have it by banning all human presence.

For the children.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 11:29 AM (GBKbO)

27 23 non-zero chance, nowadays. The US Armed Forces aren't what they used to be.

Welcome back, Btw
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 08, 2023 11:29 AM (xcxpd)

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It's hard to comment all day when you're actually in the office with people all around you.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 11:30 AM (GBKbO)

28 Dignity canal.

From Gaza City to Aqaba is 140 miles. No mountain ranges.
A water-level canal there would bypass all the choke points of the Suez. And they could dig it with spoons. Could take a century.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at December 08, 2023 11:31 AM (FCs/J)

29 > So what do you do with 1.8 million (minus a few tens of thousands) defeated people?
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Bring them over here and put them at the front of 'free shit' line.

Then, they, the blacks and the illegals can fight it out for supremacy of the 'disadvantaged.' Probably reduce the number on welfare to a couple thousand, total.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 08, 2023 11:31 AM (Q4IgG)

30 Interestingly, no Arab state has shown any willingness to police or administer Gaza in the future. That may change if the UN waves enough of our money at them."

A big thing that we don't really see here in the States is how weak and useless, with a couple of exceptions, most Arab military forces are, and few have enough men to even try to police a place like Gaza. Why couldn't the Saudi's defeat the Houthi's in 8 years? Because although the Saudis have a lot of money and the weapons money can buy, their actual ground forces are very weak and small. (which is why they're desperate for allies to protect them from Iran) Same for all of the Gulf States. Syria used to have a big army - now it takes everything they have just to keep a lid on their home turf. Egypt still has an army - but they keep saying that they don't want anything to do with Gaza. Lets see who's left - Iraq? HA!!!

wait I forgot about Jordan - oh well everyone does.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2023 11:31 AM (i9ffA)

31 The only just thing is to let Gaia have it by banning all human presence.

For the children.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 11:29 AM (GBKbO)

There you go. It would make for a great future episode of "After people".

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 08, 2023 11:31 AM (VwHCD)

32 Send in the Mormon missionaries.

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at December 08, 2023 11:32 AM (5C4od)

33 Then and Only then should they consider Gazan self-governance.

No. Israel just needs to annex it. The Palestinians are beyond redemption.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 08, 2023 11:32 AM (JrojV)

34 I don’t think anyone has any idea how many have died, much less their ages, and likely we won’t know for some months ahead. But we do understand the fighting has been intense and brutal. Such is the nature of war.
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We'll never know. Hamas isn't a regular army and they don't have consistent recordkeeping. More to the point, they lie. They lie about *everything.* An absence of even remotely trustworthy data should be treated as "no data."

So I dunno. I think nobody will ever actually know.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 11:32 AM (zxP/x)

35 Morning.

I nooded monkeyless rant.

Posted by: Robert at December 08, 2023 11:32 AM (LyKqt)

36 ‘ Marshall Plan for the Strip’ will not work with these people.
You may as well look for a Philosopher’s Stone that converts shit to gold. These people are unfixable.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 08, 2023 11:32 AM (jbnUc)

37 My guess would be a new, shiny name for essentially the same thing- Hamas. Funded by Iran. This was always a proxy war and they will just find a new name for the proxies.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson Work Laptop at December 08, 2023 11:33 AM (zZu0s)

38 33 Then and Only then should they consider Gazan self-governance.

No. Israel just needs to annex it. The Palestinians are beyond redemption.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 08, 2023 11:32 AM (JrojV)

I actually agree.

Posted by: Nova Local at December 08, 2023 11:33 AM (exHjb)

39 Its amazing that with all these 'News' shows we have no idea what is going on, anywhere, at any time. I feel like I'm a near sighted goldfish in an opaque fish bowl. I wonder why that is?

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 08, 2023 11:33 AM (+YRf1)

40 ‘ Marshall Plan for the Strip’ will not work with these people.
You may as well look for a Philosopher’s Stone that converts shit to gold. These people are unfixable.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 08, 2023 11:32 AM (jbnUc)

True. They need the Carthage plan.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 08, 2023 11:33 AM (VwHCD)

41 After yesterday's photos of captured Hamas fighters, I think the only humane thing to do at this point is lift sanctions on Nutri-Slim shipments to Gaza.
Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 08, 2023 11:29 AM (lf83v)

how dare you make fun of all of those poor innocent 300 pound children with moobs and receding hairlines?

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2023 11:34 AM (i9ffA)

42 If so, then it is logical that at some point this group becomes the Gazan representatives to sign the surrender. If not, then a puppet representative is good enough. I truly believe the Israeli’s are Machiavellian enough to work this way. The Palestinians though…? Perhaps, as CBD has told me, I overestimate the Palestinians. He could be right.
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Eventually, there will be a surrender - even if it isn't "official." At some point, people quit fighting. Cowed, beaten and starving, they simply stop fighting.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 11:34 AM (zxP/x)

43 ["Diogenes" has multiple graduate degrees with a focus on the Middle East, and an Army Intelligence Officer graduate of both the Army and USMC Command and Staff Colleges.]

We'll look at Mr. Smarty Pants here with his big fancy day-grees from his big ole fancy unimaversities!

Posted by: Robert at December 08, 2023 11:34 AM (LyKqt)

44 Marshall Plan for the Strip’ will not work with these people.
You may as well look for a Philosopher’s Stone that converts shit to gold. These people are unfixable.
Posted by: Dr. Claw

Exactly. The Marshall Plan worked because we were dealing with Europeans, who were intelligent and generally competent. Same with Japan. Things the Palis ain't.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 08, 2023 11:34 AM (JrojV)

45 36 ‘ Marshall Plan for the Strip’ will not work with these people.
You may as well look for a Philosopher’s Stone that converts shit to gold. These people are unfixable.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 08, 2023 11:32 AM (jbnUc)

yep, that was tried from 2007 on - October 7th was the result.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2023 11:35 AM (i9ffA)

46 The UN has been fund raising for 60 years on how well they've done keeping the peace in Gaza. It's their showpiece.

Let's take that away from them. We can't afford any more.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at December 08, 2023 11:35 AM (FCs/J)

47 My guess would be a new, shiny name for essentially the same thing- Hamas. Funded by Iran. This was always a proxy war and they will just find a new name for the proxies.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson Work Laptop at December 08, 2023 11:33 AM (zZu0s)

Very true. Until Iran becomes extinct this will just go on and on.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 08, 2023 11:35 AM (VwHCD)

48 2
‘ They're running out of Uighurs for slave labor.’
Hahahaha! That’s the promised land they have earned.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 08, 2023 11:35 AM (jbnUc)

49 how dare you make fun of all of those poor innocent 300 pound children with moobs and receding hairlines?
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2023 11:34 AM (i9ffA)

Well we can see where all the Humanitarian "aid" goes

Posted by: It's me donna at December 08, 2023 11:36 AM (n2vyf)

50 The Palestinian people don't want an Arab state to take the place of Israel in 'running' Gaza or the West Bank They would be 10x as harsh and corrupt and provide 10x less aid and jobs. Plus they would lose their favorite excuse for their failures. Kind of like the white man is the cause of all the problems here.

Posted by: Drive By at December 08, 2023 11:36 AM (MNhXM)

51 I don't think Israel has any responsibility to rebuild anything for the Palestinians.

Every time they try the Palestinians destroy it.

Because it's built by Israelis.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at December 08, 2023 11:36 AM (ou9hh)

52 39 Its amazing that with all these 'News' shows we have no idea what is going on, anywhere, at any time. I feel like I'm a near sighted goldfish in an opaque fish bowl. I wonder why that is?
Posted by: Pudinhead at December 08, 2023 11:33 AM (+YRf1)

You can't watch any American Media, even Fox, if you want to have any idea of what's actually happening there. Only go to those sources if you want Tayler Swift concert dates.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2023 11:36 AM (i9ffA)

53 the third is the “removal of Israel’s responsibility for life in the Gaza Strip and the establishment of a new security reality” for Israelis. He stressed this point: Israel would no longer have “responsibility for life in the Gaza Strip” once the war was over. This is telling.

And notice this doesn’t say much about rebuilding.

Without international welfare support, the area is essentially uninhabitable. It's a desert wasteland. Israel wouldn't want to give responsibility of the remains of Gaza over to an Islamic country, because they'd just be further radicalized in proximity to them. That leaves wealthy Western countries, the UN (same thing), and China. China keeps talking a big game about how it's now a superpower and should be viewed in the same way the US is. Fine, show us. It's not like Gaza has any resources to steal.

Israel has informed several Arab states that it wants to carve out a buffer zone on the Palestinian side of Gaza's border to prevent future attacks as part of proposals for an enclave after war ends.

I say we establish the buffer zone up to the high tide line on the beach. The Palis can have everything else.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 08, 2023 11:37 AM (CsUN+)

54 I think that everyone knows what should not be done . As in let PA back in. Which is what the geniuses in bidet administration want. Israel most likely knows what it wants , but will not tell. I read about saudi and UAE involved. But unlike many, I do not trust any accords with the arabs, Abraham or others.

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 11:37 AM (V13WU)

55 The technical definition of debellation is when the State is dead, and cannot surrender because it no longer exists.

Posted by: Yudhishthira Florian Maria Hohenzollern von Schloengishugen, Lichtensteinian Usurper at December 08, 2023 11:37 AM (0FoWg)

56 He stressed this point: Israel would no longer have “responsibility for life in the Gaza Strip” once the war was over. This is telling.

And notice this doesn’t say much about rebuilding.

Israel has informed several Arab states that it wants to carve out a buffer zone on the Palestinian side of Gaza's border to prevent future attacks as part of proposals for an enclave after war ends.
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There's a word for this. An old word. That word is "pale." It comes from (in this sense) "palisade."

Gaza - and whatever is behind it - shall be "beyond the pale" in literal terms. What happens beyond the pale is not the concern of those within the pale. That's why the pale is there.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 11:37 AM (zxP/x)

57 54 I think that everyone knows what should not be done . As in let PA back in. Which is what the geniuses in bidet administration want. Israel most likely knows what it wants , but will not tell. I read about saudi and UAE involved. But unlike many, I do not trust any accords with the arabs, Abraham or others.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 11:37 AM (V13WU)

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I agree.

Cut Pennsylvania out of America.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 11:38 AM (GBKbO)

58 Very true. Until Iran becomes extinct this will just go on and on.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 08, 2023 11:35 AM (VwHCD)

The Israeli's know that, which is why they are saying that they are going to keep a very tight control over who runs the place from now on. They keep trying not to say it outright, but I see no choice for them but a harsh military occupation for a long time to come. If they don't, Iran (as you say) will move right in.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2023 11:39 AM (i9ffA)

59 We need a palisade on our border.

Posted by: Drive By at December 08, 2023 11:39 AM (MNhXM)

60 ‘ Marshall Plan for the Strip’ will not work with these people.
You may as well look for a Philosopher’s Stone that converts shit to gold. These people are unfixable.

I think it can work, you just have to make them middle class. Once you've done that the government can be as dictatorial as they like and need not fear e.g. 2A or anything of that sort.

Posted by: Ian S. at December 08, 2023 11:39 AM (2ocoG)

61 Nobody in the world wants palestinians inside their borders

that's why I think a lot of them will end up here

Posted by: Don Black at December 08, 2023 11:39 AM (geLO8)

62 Geoff Scott's. Good points, especially the part about keeping the UN out.

I would add that the Arab neighbors pay for the reconstruction and administer those funds themselves

Posted by: Ben Had at December 08, 2023 11:40 AM (Y2KBB)

63 Will Mossad be making house calls in Qatar? That will make a big difference as to what may work "after"

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at December 08, 2023 11:40 AM (5C4od)

64 Those Pali prisoners yesterday look like our food stamps orcs at any WalMart.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 08, 2023 11:40 AM (R4t5M)

65 I am thinking a permanent lasting blockade where nothing crosses by land (no water, power, food, etc.) and all ships would be inspected - basic subsistence items only - water, food, medicine, basic clothing (smocks, one color, one size). Any ships trying smuggle anything else will be seized and/or scuttled. Ships leaving can jam as many people on board as they can get.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 08, 2023 11:40 AM (qtXM6)

66 Organize a vassal state or two to manage the Palestinians. The governing body should probably be a sheikh or something, with representatives from various forces in the region acting as a parliamentary body with minimal power.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at December 08, 2023 11:40 AM (eYoxG)

67 Interestingly, no Arab state has shown any willingness to police or administer Gaza in the future. That may change if the UN waves enough of our money at them.
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I don't think it will. The problem is that nobody - literally nobody - wants the "Palestinians." They are the dregs of Arab society. A whole lot of them aren't "traditional" "refugees." A lot of the people there are there because they were kicked out of the Arab countries for being insane barbarians who keep trying to overthrow the country.

Egypt had to kick out the Muslim Brotherhood. Jordan (what was supposed to be "Palestine") had to kick out its malefactors. Lebanon and Syria, the same - though less successfully (which is why Lebanon is falling to Hezbollah and Syria might fall to ISIS. Whatever the name of whatever group, they're mostly the same people). The Arab countries - especially the semi-stable ones like Egypt and Jordan - don't want anything to do with these people.

Israel is going to build a pale. I suspect Egypt will, too. It will be a penal colony.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 11:40 AM (zxP/x)

68 Odds on a US marine fighting side by side with Hamas, hiding behind some civilians, while firing at Israeli soldiers?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 11:28 AM (GBKbO)

If Hellary had won I was looking into sending my son to Israel even though we aren't Jewish. If I'm going to lose him to war, and she was building up to war with Russia that would almost certainly have required a draft, I'd rather it be in defense of Israel than being used as a mercenary by some muslim dictator (as O liked to make US troops do).

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at December 08, 2023 11:40 AM (nC+QA)

69 The ridiculous thing about the idea to let the PA run things is that even the Palestinians say it is the most corrupt, useless, and unrepresentative group in the entire region. Everyone hates them.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2023 11:40 AM (i9ffA)

70 Good write up

Diogenes needs a Monkey Face 🐵

Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2023 11:40 AM (L/sed)

71 67 Israel is going to build a pale. I suspect Egypt will, too. It will be a penal colony.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 11:40 AM (zxP/x)

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Israel is going to do what the world has been accusing it of doing for a generation because fuck it. Nothing else is working.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 11:41 AM (GBKbO)

72 Very true. Until Iran becomes extinct this will just go on and on.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads

Never gonna happen. The Persians' various political iterations go deep into antiquity.

I once read an article that posited that, even had the Islamic Republic never come about, Iran could still be a troublemaker in the region because they remember their long history as an imperial power, and would eventually want to recreate it. KInda like China.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 08, 2023 11:42 AM (JrojV)

73 Going back to my thoughts…along with someone to sign a surrender, I have always thought a “mini-Marshall Plan for the Strip in conjunction with a De-Hamasization Plan would be the way to rebuild. Who would oversee it is a big question, one that likely has no answer. But given the strident tone of Defense Minister Gallant’s comments, Israel may settle for crushing the Palestinians and leaving them to their own devices. Not, in my opinion, a good long term choice, but perhaps the best short-term one. Netanyahu wants to de-radicalizing the Strip. That, I think, will take far longer than this war. A whole generation perhaps.
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It can't be done, for the same reason that a "mini Marshall Plan" will fail. The Palestinians are barbarians. They don't want it, and nothing can make them want it. They can be exterminated, but that doesn't make them want to change.

Any infrastructure will be torn up in rage and recycled into weapons. There is no point in trying. It will work even less well in Gaza than it worked in Afghanistan.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 11:42 AM (zxP/x)

74 I miss the bonobo smiling chimp.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 08, 2023 11:42 AM (R4t5M)

75 I won't believe anything the Palestinians say, it's all Propaganda from them.

Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2023 11:42 AM (L/sed)

76 I think that everyone knows what should not be done . As in let PA back in. Which is what the geniuses in bidet administration want. Israel most likely knows what it wants , but will not tell. I read about saudi and UAE involved. But unlike many, I do not trust any accords with the arabs, Abraham or others.

It's very considerate of the Biden Admin to let the Israelis know exactly what they should NOT do.

Gaza - and whatever is behind it - shall be "beyond the pale" in literal terms. What happens beyond the pale is not the concern of those within the pale. That's why the pale is there.

Except missiles can fly over a buffer zone.

I am thinking a permanent lasting blockade where nothing crosses by land (no water, power, food, etc.) and all ships would be inspected - basic subsistence items only - water, food, medicine, basic clothing (smocks, one color, one size). Any ships trying smuggle anything else will be seized and/or scuttled. Ships leaving can jam as many people on board as they can get.

There it is.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 08, 2023 11:42 AM (CsUN+)

77 69 The ridiculous thing about the idea to let the PA run things is that even the Palestinians say it is the most corrupt, useless, and unrepresentative group in the entire region. Everyone hates them.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2023 11:40 AM (i9ffA)

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I've been wondering what would happen if America just airdropped tens of thousands of handguns into Palestinian residential areas.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 11:43 AM (GBKbO)

78 They can crush the Palis and institute a policy of laissez-faire servitude to rebuild Gaza…work to rebuild and you get food, water and a place to sleep. (Probably would not be popular in the West but it might actually work.) They can crush the Palis and set up the infrastructure to reestablish the basics of water, electricity, and food and then leave them. Or they can tell the Islamic states and/or the UN to come clean it up. Easily the worst solution for the Palis. Neither the Israelis nor the UN wants to see a Pali holocaust, although the Arab states might not care.
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The Arab states do not care and probably be safely written off.

Dump it onto the UN. The UN *loves* Palis.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 11:43 AM (zxP/x)

79 28 Dignity canal.

From Gaza City to Aqaba is 140 miles. No mountain ranges.
A water-level canal there would bypass all the choke points of the Suez. And they could dig it with spoons. Could take a century.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at December 08, 2023 11:31 AM (FCs/J)

Show of hands for putting ZOD in charge of it?

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at December 08, 2023 11:43 AM (N3zMI)

80 The only ones who could sort of reform the muslims, in recent memory, were the soviets. in their majority muslim republics they applied brutal forces, complete removal of all their leaders, an insertion of people loyal to the soviet ideals. removed religion entirely and voila, homos sovieticus, no more threat. the city of Mahachkala that made the news recently, is named after a one of those revolutionaries - Magomed-Ali 'Makhach' Dakhadaev.

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 11:44 AM (V13WU)

81 God help us if the Administration starts letting them resettle in the US.
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I'm not joking when I say I expect that at least a half million of them will be resettled here and in Europe.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 11:44 AM (zxP/x)

82 It's hard to comment all day when you're actually in the office with people all around you.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 11:30 AM (GBKbO)

VERY true. Got in trouble once for hanging out here.

So you're not WFH anymore?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 08, 2023 11:44 AM (xcxpd)

83 This however, is not as easy as it sounds nor is it just declaring a ceasefire. Israel’s clear goal seems to be, total victory, and rightly so, followed by unconditional surrender by the Palestinians. Of course, that requires some Palestinian entity to legitimately represent the Palis in any surrender.

Fuck 'em. Their bible tells them to lie.
Sterilize gaza.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2023 11:44 AM (ous9O)

84 69 The ridiculous thing about the idea to let the PA run things is that even the Palestinians say it is the most corrupt, useless, and unrepresentative group in the entire region. Everyone hates them.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2023 11:40 AM (i9ffA)

Replace it with a sheikh. Maybe some princeling from the House of Saud.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at December 08, 2023 11:44 AM (eYoxG)

85 I lived on Palisade Avenue, Riverdale, Bronx, overlooking the Hudson River and that backwater, NJ. It was lovely and nothing like Gaza.

Posted by: Out of the Past at December 08, 2023 11:44 AM (83IzV)

86 I've been wondering what would happen if America just airdropped tens of thousands of handguns into Palestinian residential areas.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 11:43 AM (GBKbO)

Add Thunderbird and the problem will take care of itself.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 08, 2023 11:45 AM (R4t5M)

87 Egypt had to kick out the Muslim Brotherhood. Jordan (what was supposed to be "Palestine") had to kick out its malefactors. Lebanon and Syria, the same - though less successfully (which is why Lebanon is falling to Hezbollah and Syria might fall to ISIS. Whatever the name of whatever group, they're mostly the same people). The Arab countries - especially the semi-stable ones like Egypt and Jordan - don't want anything to do with these people.

Israel is going to build a pale. I suspect Egypt will, too. It will be a penal colony.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 11:40 AM (zxP/x)

Good list, and even you left out the Kuwaiti's, who kicked all of their Palestinian workers out for siding with Saddam when he invaded them. Literally *everyone* hates them.

Which is why back channel Israeli sources have reported that quietly, behind the scenes, the leaders of almost every Middle Eastern country have told them to go ahead and get rid of Hamas completely while they have the opportunity.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2023 11:45 AM (i9ffA)

88 Dump it onto the UN. The UN *loves* Palis.

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UNRWA is baaaack ! no. absolutely no major UN influence would be very desirable.

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 11:45 AM (V13WU)

89 82 VERY true. Got in trouble once for hanging out here.

So you're not WFH anymore?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 08, 2023 11:44 AM (xcxpd)

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I am. It was just a get together week for the team in Atlanta.

Boss's boss took us to Rays on the River. I had a $100 steak and a $30 glass of scotch, amongst other things.

Good times were had by all.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 11:45 AM (GBKbO)

90 Very true. Until Iran becomes extinct this will just go on and on.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads

Never gonna happen. The Persians' various political iterations go deep into antiquity.

I once read an article that posited that, even had the Islamic Republic never come about, Iran could still be a troublemaker in the region because they remember their long history as an imperial power, and would eventually want to recreate it. KInda like China.

Eh. There are plenty of "good" Iranians, who remember the days before the ayatollahs. After 40 years of them, the young of the country are more then ready to defenestrate the nutjobs and move on to democracy. Iran could very well be a good friend again.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 08, 2023 11:45 AM (CsUN+)

91 Iran was moving towards a western style society with the Shah . I think he was trying to do a Ataturk but didn't have his skill.

Posted by: Drive By at December 08, 2023 11:45 AM (MNhXM)

92 It's hard to comment all day when you're actually in the office with people all around you.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 11:30 AM (GBKbO)

VERY true. Got in trouble once for hanging out here.

So you're not WFH anymore?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

That's why I use MY phone. No company property is ever used. Not even WiFi. As long as my job gets done.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2023 11:45 AM (ous9O)

93 33 38 Israel just needs to annex it.
And some shithead Israeli judge will declare them voting citizens 20 years from now.
Still a good idea?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 08, 2023 11:45 AM (jbnUc)

94 Fuck Gaza and every last dirty mongrel subhuman goat-fellator in the shithole. I care more about diseased sewer rats than anyone in Gaza. That's not hyperbole. If it was up to me, I'd wall the entire shithole up like Escape From Gaza and let them cannibalize each other.

Posted by: Elric Blade at December 08, 2023 11:46 AM (iFTx/)

95 from the art thread:

453 No comments working in nood.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at December 08, 2023 11:42 AM (eP0vo)

?

Posted by: m at December 08, 2023 11:46 AM (T7nlx)

96 Something that Egypt will never talk about is how Israel very recently saved Egypt from Islamists operating in the Sinai.

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 11:46 AM (V13WU)

97 The flood of Arabs we're about to get are going to destabilize a lot of shit here, including the existing Arab colonies we already have..

Posted by: Yudhishthira Florian Maria Hohenzollern von Schloengishugen, Lichtensteinian Usurper at December 08, 2023 11:46 AM (dVRt+)

98 UNRWA is baaaack ! no. absolutely no major UN influence would be very desirable.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 11:45 AM (V13WU)
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Let 'em. Just this time, there is no border-crossing. No resource flow from Israel. A complete write-off. Let the UN land supply ships on the shores of Gaza and if so much as a tin can comes over the pale, then they all get smashed up again.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 11:47 AM (zxP/x)

99 80 The only ones who could sort of reform the muslims, in recent memory, were the soviets.."

I hear that China is making good progress in reforming the Uighurs.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2023 11:47 AM (i9ffA)

100 Israel just needs to annex it.
And some shithead Israeli judge will declare them voting citizens 20 years from now.
Still a good idea?
Posted by: Dr. Claw

Sure, if you get rid of the Gazans and let Israelis settle there.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 08, 2023 11:47 AM (JrojV)

101 The flood of Arabs we're about to get are going to destabilize a lot of shit here, including the existing Arab colonies we already have..
Posted by: Yudhishthira Florian Maria Hohenzollern von Schloengishugen, Lichtensteinian Usurper at December 08, 2023 11:46 AM (dVRt+)
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Yup. It will be even worse than what Europe did itself.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 11:47 AM (zxP/x)

102 40 ‘ Marshall Plan for the Strip’ will not work with these people.
You may as well look for a Philosopher’s Stone that converts shit to gold. These people are unfixable.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 08, 2023 11:32 AM (jbnUc)

True. They need the Carthage plan.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division

No, because there are plenty of Israelis willing and able to settle the land. No, I think we need to follow the Dacian model. My predecessor tried to appease them and buy them off, and when they turned violent and treacherous...I conquered them, enslaved them, and sent them throughout the Empire. Gave the land to the soldiers as booty and retirement rewards...problem solved.

Posted by: Emperor Trajan at December 08, 2023 11:47 AM (JCZqz)

103 I miss the bonobo smiling chimp.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 08, 2023 11:42 AM (R4t5M)

I just realized recently how much I miss OM's gorilla.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at December 08, 2023 11:48 AM (nC+QA)

104 Iran being the Puppet Master will find some other to pull the strings.
Saw a global map of Islam battles from last few centuries, they don't ever stop.

Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2023 11:48 AM (L/sed)

105 All this talk of "de-radicalizing" and a "mini-Marshall Plan" reminds me of the Bush era effort to bring democracy to Afghanistan. Unless you drive out the current population of Gaza and conduct a massive interview process for the new residents, this is not possible.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 08, 2023 11:48 AM (Bv9uX)

106 Good questions.

Unconditional surrender first, followed by execution of all of the Hamas leadership. Then we can talk about what happens to those who remain.

Somehow, they're gonna have to be made to realize that they're gonna have to get along to survive.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 08, 2023 11:48 AM (YRsIm)

107 I miss the bonobo smiling chimp.

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do we need a simian in military fatigues ?

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 11:48 AM (V13WU)

108 94 Fuck Gaza and every last dirty mongrel subhuman goat-fellator in the shithole.
Posted by: Elric Blade

Oh my...you're asking a lot, but ill do it! In the name of peace.

Posted by: Pete Buttigieg at December 08, 2023 11:49 AM (JCZqz)

109 flood of Arabs we're about to get are going to destabilize a lot of shit here, including the existing Arab colonies we already have..
Posted by: Yudhishthira Florian Maria Hohenzollern von Schloengishugen, Lichtensteinian Usurper at December 08, 2023 11:46 AM (dVRt+)

Double the 7-11s ?

Is that racist ?

Posted by: Drive By at December 08, 2023 11:49 AM (MNhXM)

110 Relocate UN headquarters to Gaza. Place will be hookers and blow in no time. Out of the U.S. bare minimum.

Posted by: DOYLE at December 08, 2023 11:50 AM (Z8Yh2)

111 "Netanyahu wants to de-radicalizing the Strip. That, I think, will take far longer than this war. A whole generation perhaps."

Or, you know, Carthage.

Posted by: Rowsdower Believes Ray Epps is a Fed and Ashli Bennett is Crispus Attucks at December 08, 2023 11:50 AM (Yvzx0)

112 It’s really worrying… people are so open about their Jew hate lately. Some guy just called Mike Gallagher’s radio show and he “wasn’t sure” atrocities took place on 10/7 and kept ranting about Zionism and how Israel was blowing off baby limbs in Gaza.

I suspect the average Gazan has similar views. Which I why I have no earthly idea what the right steps should be after the IDF obliterates Hamas

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 08, 2023 11:50 AM (ixCnf)

113 Let 'em. Just this time, there is no border-crossing. No resource flow from Israel. A complete write-off. Let the UN land supply ships on the shores of Gaza and if so much as a tin can comes over the pale, then they all get smashed up again.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 11:47 AM (zxP/x)

yeah, another Hezbollah scenario. no.

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 11:50 AM (V13WU)

114 The Marshall Plan worked for West Germany for a few reasons. It was basically under occupational control by our military for a long time. The German people are nothing if not industrious. There was a very real enemy next door that (a) kept us there and (b) motivated an already German people.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at December 08, 2023 11:50 AM (sX1BW)

115 I miss the bonobo smiling chimp.

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do we need a simian in military fatigues ?
Posted by: runner

I want the chimp that those idiots gave the full auto AK to in the African bush.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2023 11:50 AM (ous9O)

116 101 The flood of Arabs we're about to get are going to destabilize a lot of shit here, including the existing Arab colonies we already have..
Posted by: Yudhishthira Florian Maria Hohenzollern von Schloengishugen, Lichtensteinian Usurper at December 08, 2023 11:46 AM (dVRt+)
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Yup. It will be even worse than what Europe did itself.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

There could be a silver lining to this cloud. The Muslim community REALLY doesn't like the Queer Pride movement...

Posted by: Moron Analyst at December 08, 2023 11:51 AM (JCZqz)

117 Break Gaza and leave with the threat to come back should terror attack happen again.

I'm sure that my plan does not please many but fuck rebuilding Gaza.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at December 08, 2023 11:52 AM (17s+e)

118 >>> The US and EU send a bajillion dollars in aid. 90% of that will end up in Swiss bank accounts controlled by Hamas leaders in Qatar.

Don't forget 10% for the Big Guy!

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at December 08, 2023 11:52 AM (qtXM6)

119 112 It’s really worrying… people are so open about their Jew hate lately. Some guy just called Mike Gallagher’s radio show and he “wasn’t sure” atrocities took place on 10/7 and kept ranting about Zionism and how Israel was blowing off baby limbs in Gaza.

I suspect the average Gazan has similar views. Which I why I have no earthly idea what the right steps should be after the IDF obliterates Hamas
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 08, 2023 11:50 AM (ixCnf)

Either you establish friendly local management over a hostile populace, or you take tight control over education and occupy them for a few generations to make the populace no longer hostile.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at December 08, 2023 11:52 AM (eYoxG)

120 Palestine and Ukraine are grift ports. That's why they will be kept standing. Same deal with Northern Mexico. Gangsters like borderlands where deals get done sans taxes and oversight.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 08, 2023 11:52 AM (ntk8v)

121 The only ones who could sort of reform the muslims, in recent memory, were the soviets.."

I hear that China is making good progress in reforming the Uighurs.

I heard that Black Jack Pershing had some success in the Phillipines. It turns out Muslims don't like being shot with bullets dipped in pig's blood (probably apocryphal) and buried in holes filled with pig entrails (also probably apocryphal) .

Posted by: Archimedes at December 08, 2023 11:52 AM (CsUN+)

122 Clear out all the Palis. Ship over all the free Palestine college kids. Give them shovels and maybe a backhoe. Let them resettle the area.

Posted by: nckate at December 08, 2023 11:52 AM (SnxUt)

123 At the Mexican border there are lots of African and Syrians are showing up, the entire world is coming through.

Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2023 11:52 AM (L/sed)

124 Philippines

Posted by: Archimedes at December 08, 2023 11:52 AM (CsUN+)

125 yeah, another Hezbollah scenario. no.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 11:50 AM (V13WU)
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As Diogenes put it, there are no good options. There are, boiled down, four options:
1. Israel administers the Strip, pays for it, and periodically invades to put down the barbarians.
2. The Arabs administer the strip, pays for it, and Israel periodically invades to put down the barbarians.
3. Someone else - likely the UN - administers the strip, everybody pays for it, and Israel periodically invades to put down the barbarians.
4. The barbarians are exterminated.

Since option #4 is off the table, Israeli interest is likely behind door number 3.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 11:52 AM (zxP/x)

126 Given the location and natural resources available to Gazans, it's highest and best use is as a "Monaco" south, a fancy resort. Build that, bring in carefully selected Gazans to live in the area and work in the Casinos, yacht basin and hotel/golf courses, maybe put the King of Jordan in nominal charge to give it the perfect royal gloss, then walk away. Let the rich Arabs use Gaza as a playground, like Abu Dhabi.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 08, 2023 11:52 AM (Bv9uX)

127 29
Bring them over here and put them at the front of 'free shit' line.

God, no. What the fuck’s wrong with you?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 08, 2023 11:52 AM (jbnUc)

128 103 I miss the bonobo smiling chimp.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory, red heifer owner at December 08, 2023 11:42 AM (R4t5M)

I just realized recently how much I miss OM's gorilla.
Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at December 08, 2023 11:48 AM (nC+QA)

Oh yes. It's hard to believe OM is gone sometimes...

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 08, 2023 11:53 AM (xcxpd)

129 Gaza to Egypt , parts of Judea and Samaria to JOrdan as initially intended. That's it.

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 11:53 AM (V13WU)

130 Double the 7-11s ?

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Nah.

Ch'ahrli don't work.

The Gazans will move in to existing Arab communities and attempt to take them over, immediately, as they always do. However it shakes out, it'll be disruptive.

Posted by: Yudhishthira Florian Maria Hohenzollern von Schloengishugen, Lichtensteinian Usurper at December 08, 2023 11:53 AM (0FoWg)

131 Ships leaving can jam as many people on board as they can get.

There it is.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 08, 2023 11:42 AM (CsUN+)
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NO. Those ships will be heading for US shores. Or Mexican shores so that they can cross the southern border.

Gaza should become a roach motel. Palestinians may enter, but none of them may leave once they are there.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 08, 2023 11:53 AM (7fElN)

132 Either you establish friendly local management over a hostile populace, or you take tight control over education and occupy them for a few generations to make the populace no longer hostile.
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Or you kill them.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 08, 2023 11:53 AM (ntk8v)

133 "I'm not sure that 10/7 actually happened, but Israel is definitely shooting babies in cribs."
-the unequal application of the fog of war

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 11:53 AM (GBKbO)

134
Turn Gaza into a perpetual free-fire zone with autonomous, self-reproducing targets. When the palis get sick of being used for marksmanship training, they can offer an unconditional surrender in public and IN ARABIC. The language is important.

Then wall off Gaza. No water, no food, no trade goods, no labor. NOTHING crosses the Israeli border in either direction. If the Gazans can work out trade and water agreements with Egypt or other countries, well, that's on them to work out. Like the rest of the civilized world has to do.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 08, 2023 11:53 AM (n+4am)

135 There could be a silver lining to this cloud. The Muslim community REALLY doesn't like the Queer Pride movement...
Posted by: Moron Analyst at December 08, 2023 11:51 AM (JCZqz)
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It is one of the reasons why the West will eventually fall and Islam will take over.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 11:53 AM (zxP/x)

136 So you're not WFH anymore?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 08, 2023 11:44 AM (xcxpd)

=======

I am. It was just a get together week for the team in Atlanta.

Boss's boss took us to Rays on the River. I had a $100 steak and a $30 glass of scotch, amongst other things.

Good times were had by all.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 11:45 AM (GBKbO)

Nice. I'll add 'Rays on the River' to my list. I reckon I'll get back to Hotlanta someday.

The steaks at Hall's Chophouse were incredible. Service was out of this world, too.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at December 08, 2023 11:54 AM (xcxpd)

137 Which I why I have no earthly idea what the right steps should be after the IDF obliterates Hamas
Posted by: LinusVanPelt

Salt their lands.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2023 11:54 AM (ous9O)

138 Since option #4 is off the table, Israeli interest is likely behind door number 3.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 11:52 AM (zxP/x)
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Option #4 is never completely off the table...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 08, 2023 11:54 AM (7fElN)

139 arabs and muslims don't want 'democracy'

they are tribal
might is right

there's allah, then mohammed, then whoever has the most guns

Posted by: Don Black at December 08, 2023 11:54 AM (geLO8)

140 A time for pointing and laughing.

NYC Mayor Eric Adams’ Approval Hits Record-Low 28% Amid Budget Cuts to Fund Illegal Immigration Surge

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 08, 2023 11:54 AM (FVME7)

141 Which I why I have no earthly idea what the right steps should be after the IDF obliterates Hamas
Posted by: LinusVanPelt

Salt their lands.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2023 11:54 AM (ous9O)
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The seawater flooding the tunnels is doing a good job of that right now.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 08, 2023 11:55 AM (7fElN)

142 Gaza to Egypt , parts of Judea and Samaria to JOrdan as initially intended. That's it.

Egypt doesn't want it.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 08, 2023 11:55 AM (CsUN+)

143 I heard that Black Jack Pershing had some success in the Phillipines. It turns out Muslims don't like being shot with bullets dipped in pig's blood (probably apocryphal) and buried in holes filled with pig entrails (also probably apocryphal) .
Posted by: Archimedes

The Moros actually made Pershing a datu, or chief. And he initially enjoyed warm relations with them. But he had to go after them to eliminate the slavery that they practiced.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 08, 2023 11:55 AM (JrojV)

144 Throw everyone out of Gaza. Bulldoze. It becomes a part of Israel. Israel rebuilds and it becomes a healthy and vibrant place for Israelis to live.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 08, 2023 11:56 AM (jAs5p)

145 NYC Mayor Eric Adams’ Approval Hits Record-Low 28% Amid Budget Cuts to Fund Illegal Immigration Surge
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 08, 2023 11:54 AM (FVME7)
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This doesn't make sense. Illegal aliens work and pay taxes (sales taxes) while being disqualified for government programs and benefits. The tax burden of illegal aliens is zero.

That's what we were told for like 30 straight years, right? So what's with the budget cuts?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 11:56 AM (zxP/x)

146 81 God help us if the Administration starts letting them resettle in the US.
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I'm not joking when I say I expect that at least a half million of them will be resettled here and in Europe.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 11:44 AM (zxP/x)
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Some are probably already here. I think it will be like what happened to Dearbornistan and others. They sneak in under cover of darkness and then we wake up one morning to discover they control major cities in major states, and have a real presence in our federal government. And they're just as batshit crazy insane and bloodthirsty as they were in their native putrid shitholes.

Posted by: Elric Blade at December 08, 2023 11:56 AM (iFTx/)

147 Ships leaving can jam as many people on board as they can get.

There it is.
Posted by: Archimedes at December 08, 2023 11:42 AM (CsUN+)
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NO. Those ships will be heading for US shores. Or Mexican shores so that they can cross the southern border.

Gaza should become a roach motel. Palestinians may enter, but none of them may leave once they are there.

We have the ability to refuse them. Will we? Not if Biden and Nikki have their way.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 08, 2023 11:56 AM (CsUN+)

148 As I recall, CDR Salamander suggested as one solution dividing the population of Gaza between several Muslim countries, having Israel send support payments to individuals in each host country for 2 or 3 years, and turning Gaza into a wildlife refuge for 70 or 80 years. Something like that, anyway.

Of course, the trick is still to get other Muslim countries to accept them.

Posted by: KT at December 08, 2023 11:56 AM (rrtZS)

149 Throw everyone out of Gaza. Bulldoze. It becomes a part of Israel. Israel rebuilds and it becomes a healthy and vibrant place for Israelis to live.

Posted by: nurse ratched

Yes. This.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 08, 2023 11:57 AM (JrojV)

150 My entry for a possible Diogenes ape:

https://imgur.com/1otF46e

Used one of those AI image generators, so it may look a bit "off."

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at December 08, 2023 11:57 AM (dZVON)

151 Salt their lands.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2023 11:54 AM (ous9O)
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The seawater flooding the tunnels is doing a good job of that right now.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel

Above ground so nothing will grow.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2023 11:57 AM (ous9O)

152 125 yeah, another Hezbollah scenario. no.
Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 11:50 AM (V13WU)
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As Diogenes put it, there are no good options. There are, boiled down, four options:
1. Israel administers the Strip, pays for it, and periodically invades to put down the barbarians.
2. The Arabs administer the strip, pays for it, and Israel periodically invades to put down the barbarians.
3. Someone else - likely the UN - administers the strip, everybody pays for it, and Israel periodically invades to put down the barbarians.
4. The barbarians are exterminated.

Since option #4 is off the table, Israeli interest is likely behind door number 3.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 11:52 AM (zxP/x)

It's a very different appearance when the local government is putting down rebels with Israeli assistance than when it's this seeming international war. Which is why I suggest installing a friendly local authority.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at December 08, 2023 11:57 AM (eYoxG)

153 140 A time for pointing and laughing.

NYC Mayor Eric Adams’ Approval Hits Record-Low 28% Amid Budget Cuts to Fund Illegal Immigration Surge
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 08, 2023 11:54 AM (FVME7)

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But his paymasters pulled his chain with the Turkish funding thing, so Adams will just do as he's told and stop complaining about illegal immigrants in NYC.

Also, he'll easily win re-election because Republicans hate the gays and trucks full of ballots.

But mostly trucks full of ballots.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 11:57 AM (GBKbO)

154 Of course, the trick is still to get other Muslim countries to accept them.
Posted by: KT at December 08, 2023 11:56 AM (rrtZS)
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They won't.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 11:57 AM (zxP/x)

155 145 This doesn't make sense. Illegal aliens work and pay taxes (sales taxes) while being disqualified for government programs and benefits. The tax burden of illegal aliens is zero.

That's what we were told for like 30 straight years, right? So what's with the budget cuts?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 11:56 AM (zxP/x)

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Wreckers and hoarders fleeing NYC? Not paying their fair share?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 11:58 AM (GBKbO)

156 After WWII the Eastern Europeans "removed Kraut".

After this war, if Israel wants peace, it will have to "remove kebab"

Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2023 11:58 AM (XqcwY)

157 Send in the Mormon missionaries.
Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at December 08, 2023 11:32 AM (5C4od)

Heh! Armed to the teeth, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2023 11:58 AM (fkNdo)

158
This doesn't make sense. Illegal aliens work and pay taxes (sales taxes) while being disqualified for government programs and benefits. The tax burden of illegal aliens is zero.

That's what we were told for like 30 straight years, right? So what's with the budget cuts?
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 11:56 AM (zxP/x)

And there have to be at least 500 future Nobel winning scientists among them.

Posted by: Montec at December 08, 2023 11:58 AM (Tll0L)

159 It's a very different appearance when the local government is putting down rebels with Israeli assistance than when it's this seeming international war. Which is why I suggest installing a friendly local authority.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at December 08, 2023 11:57 AM (eYoxG)
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Is this even possible? I guess that's the real question, but I doubt it. The Gazans will not accept a collaborationist government. They'll just murder the collaborationists along with the Israelis.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 11:58 AM (zxP/x)

160 so far , the only countries that accept them are...in W. Europe. Belgium, Holland, Germany etc.

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 11:58 AM (V13WU)

161 We got thousands of Afgans, the Sundowner administration will bring in Palestinians

Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2023 11:59 AM (L/sed)

162 Israelis know that to eliminae hamas , they way the want, will take a number of years.

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 11:59 AM (V13WU)

163 Also, he'll easily win re-election because Republicans hate the gays and trucks full of ballots.

But mostly trucks full of ballots.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 11:57 AM (GBKbO)

Not in NYC.
Even in a 100% clean election a Republican isn’t getting more than 25% of the vote.

Posted by: Montec at December 08, 2023 12:00 PM (Tll0L)

164 Since the Jewish people who have lived in Israel for 3,000 years are now invaders and colonizers can native Americans also be called invaders and occupiers?

Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 08, 2023 12:00 PM (hCt6Y)

165 161 We got thousands of Afgans, the Sundowner administration will bring in Palestinians
Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2023 11:59 AM (L/sed)

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Will they protest settlers building homes on their land in Peoria?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 12:00 PM (GBKbO)

166 There are some very remote south pacific sea mounts that could use a couple million palis.

Posted by: Beartooth at December 08, 2023 12:00 PM (4iIQh)

167 Given the location and natural resources available to Gazans, it's highest and best use is as a "Monaco" south, a fancy resort. Build that, bring in carefully selected Gazans to live in the area and work in the Casinos, yacht basin and hotel/golf courses, maybe put the King of Jordan in nominal charge to give it the perfect royal gloss, then walk away. Let the rich Arabs use Gaza as a playground, like Abu Dhabi.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 08, 2023 11:52 AM (Bv9uX)

LIV golf might stage a tournament there [horrified gasp]

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 08, 2023 12:00 PM (ixCnf)

168 >Some are probably already here.
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There are plenty of radical Muslims already in the US and in FedGov. Some are in congress. Others have achieved high office in the State and Defense departments.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 08, 2023 12:00 PM (Q4IgG)

169 Listened to an Inside Story podcast on Spotify yesterday afternoon, "Why are so many Palestinian women being killed in Israel's war in Gaza..."

General intro, "The United National says women have borne the brunt of Israel's onslaught in Gaza. Two-thirds of those killed in a war, purportedly against hamas, are women and children. Why are so many women victims? And what can the world do to protect them?

What I learned included the women of Gaza also seem to be in different groups - Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Palestinian - with the latter reportedly having no seat at a 'political table.'

There are separations in issues such as 'feminism' and feminist goals. I never thought of feminism by Color & other such factors but, apparently, it does exist.

Ukraine will get its Marshall Plan because Ukraine will not be in control. (Because, IMO, Z's a taker and his people have been taken.) Many hundreds of foundations, corporations, NGOs worldwide will step in to rebuild, profit, create a Nirvana - BBB - if they're able.

There will be some rebuilding in Gaza but not a great deal. After all, it'll be a very, very long time before peace breaks out. Again, imho.

Posted by: L - They don't have to outrun the bear, they only need to outrun us - for now at December 08, 2023 12:01 PM (GshMh)

170 The Comanches had to be eliminated. They were unable to handle self-governance.

Gaza will be some version of a reservation forever and there will be some analogue to the BIA that administers the region forever. Maybe they can build casinos.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 08, 2023 12:01 PM (7B5FA)

171 Also, he'll easily win re-election because Republicans hate the gays and trucks full of ballots.

But mostly trucks full of ballots.
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James, I think NYC voter turnout is somewhere around 27%. The entire city doesn't care about anything other than scamming someone for a few bucks. The rulers are the Teachers Union.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 08, 2023 12:01 PM (ntk8v)

172 Double the 7-11s ?

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Didja see this news from the economic front?

McDonald's Launches New Chain "CosMc's" to Compete With Starbucks and Dunkin'

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 08, 2023 12:01 PM (FVME7)

173 163 Not in NYC.
Even in a 100% clean election a Republican isn’t getting more than 25% of the vote.
Posted by: Montec at December 08, 2023 12:00 PM (Tll0L)

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I 100% believe that the political machine in NYC makes sure they get the election results they want. The homeland of Tammany never let it go, and the past few years have just let them wave their freak flag without consequence because the Republican Party nationally has demonstrated that they don't care about Democrat cheating.

It would be harder for Democrats, though, if more than 17% of the voters in the city actually turned out to vote.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, celebrating anarchy and 50s B-movies with Joe Dante at December 08, 2023 12:01 PM (GBKbO)

174 Seriously, the answer to the Gazan problem is a diaspora. Kill all the known Hamas terrorists, as you find them, and then scatter all the remainder amongst the 57 muslim countries of the world, in proportion to their population. If a given muzzie shithole refuses to take its fair share, parachute them in, anyway.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2023 12:01 PM (fkNdo)

175 I've known two illegals who later became legals.

They got benefits from fedgov and cash from a mix of fedgov/NGOs as illegals. They didn't live well but they did get all their needs met...

They are both net taxpayers now I suppose but are unlikely to ever pay back the benefits they got for free. This is the best case scenario.

Meanwhile the last time I went to an ER there was only one other English speaking patient besides me. My basic Spanish allowed me to listen in on the others and it was mostly ODs/alcoholism. In the most "amusing" case my roommate got a lecture about how they had just finished detoxing him and now he was back...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2023 12:01 PM (XqcwY)

176 Arm and send Fatah into Gaza again. Let them genocide each other.

Posted by: Drive By at December 08, 2023 12:02 PM (MNhXM)

177 101 The flood of Arabs we're about to get are going to destabilize a lot of shit here, including the existing Arab colonies we already have..
Posted by: Yudhishthira Florian Maria Hohenzollern von Schloengishugen, Lichtensteinian Usurper at December 08, 2023 11:46 AM (dVRt+)
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Yup. It will be even worse than what Europe did itself.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 11:47 AM (zxP/x)

I optimistically don't think that will happen, because the Democrats have put themselves behind the 8-ball here. They've already got their northern base cities upset about immigration, not to mention the south - trying to move in 2 million foreign refugees in an election year would be absolute destruction for them if they try it, and even they realize it. They're stuck, with no good options. I suspect it may end up being Palestinians having to figure out how to self deport wherever they can get to. Or live in an open latrine for the last few miserable years of their lives.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2023 12:02 PM (i9ffA)

178 So what do you do with 1.8 million (minus a few tens of thousands) defeated people?

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"Ship them to Mexico for easy access to the American Free Shit Army Welfare State, h8rs!"

Posted by: ShainS -- CISA Cognitive Security Agent at December 08, 2023 12:02 PM (cE9IT)

179 The rule of thumb for destroying the will to start and fight wars is the death of a third of the military age males. I doubt anything remotely close to that has been accomplished in Gaza, but perhaps it doesn't need to be. Perhaps if a third of Hamas has gotten its 72 raisins, the rest will draw the appropriate conclusion.

Perhaps.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 08, 2023 12:02 PM (CsUN+)

180 There are some very remote south pacific sea mounts that could use a couple million palis.
Posted by: Beartooth

There's that one that's covered with washed-up trash (Henderson I.). That would be a good one.

Failing that, any island with a robust population of coconut crabs.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 08, 2023 12:02 PM (JrojV)

181 176 Arm and send Fatah into Gaza again. Let them genocide each other.
Posted by: Drive By at December 08, 2023 12:02 PM (MNhXM)

no because last time they did that Hamas won, and that's how we all got here.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2023 12:03 PM (i9ffA)

182 2 Send 'em to China. They're running out of Uighurs for slave labor.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 08, 2023 11:22 AM (JrojV)

Pretty much the only solution for administering Muslim Hordes.

Posted by: XTC at December 08, 2023 12:03 PM (sm6Pk)

183 is one of the reasons why the West will eventually fall and Islam will take over.

Heard in the future:
"We should have gassed them!"

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenkoism in solidarity with the struggle to maintain Moron standards at December 08, 2023 12:03 PM (VslTN)

184 I optimistically don't think that will happen, because the Democrats have put themselves behind the 8-ball here. They've already got their northern base cities upset about immigration, not to mention the south - trying to move in 2 million foreign refugees in an election year would be absolute destruction for them if they try it, and even they realize it. They're stuck, with no good options. I suspect it may end up being Palestinians having to figure out how to self deport wherever they can get to. Or live in an open latrine for the last few miserable years of their lives.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2023 12:02 PM (i9ffA)
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Oh, they won't talk about it.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 12:03 PM (zxP/x)

185 McDonald's Launches New Chain "CosMc's" to Compete With Starbucks and Dunkin'
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 08, 2023 12:01 PM (FVME7)

Donuts and coffee menu ?

Posted by: Drive By at December 08, 2023 12:03 PM (MNhXM)

186 Israel's choices for gaza :

-can't trust the UN
-can't trust the EU
-can't trust their arab "frens"

they need a miracle...

Posted by: runner at December 08, 2023 12:04 PM (V13WU)

187 General intro, "The United National says women have borne the brunt of Israel's onslaught in Gaza. Two-thirds of those killed in a war, purportedly against hamas, are women and children. Why are so many women victims? And what can the world do to protect them?

I dunno, perhaps because Hamas uses them as human shields?

Posted by: Archimedes at December 08, 2023 12:04 PM (CsUN+)

188 As I recall, CDR Salamander suggested as one solution dividing the population of Gaza between several Muslim countries, having Israel send support payments to individuals in each host country for 2 or 3 years, and turning Gaza into a wildlife refuge for 70 or 80 years. Something like that, anyway.

Of course, the trick is still to get other Muslim countries to accept them.

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The point being "See, they won't do anything either?"

The end result of all this is we are going to take refugees and pay for those that remain. We all know it.

Posted by: SH (no more socks) at December 08, 2023 12:04 PM (sX1BW)

189 Also, he'll easily win re-election because Republicans hate the gays and trucks full of ballots.

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Also . . .

Pelosi: The Constitution Is at Stake If Trump Wins, Except for Real This Time

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 08, 2023 12:04 PM (FVME7)

190 that's an idea

there must be a speck of land out in the Pacific that's about the size of the Gaza strip

the US has some island possessions, right?

Posted by: Don Black at December 08, 2023 12:04 PM (geLO8)

191 There's nowhere for them to go because nobody wants them. They're gonna have to learn to live with the rest of the world or perish.

I'd just wall that place off, and I mean a wall with controlled access points and a patrolled perimeter using armed guards who shoot anyone coming out.

Incoming aid will be inspected before entry. Anyone found smuggling arms or weapons, or possessing arms or weapons would be summarily executed, and their property either destroyed or confiscated.

Destroy every mosque, and boot the UN from all of Israel.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 08, 2023 12:04 PM (YRsIm)

192 A group of college presidents could be shipped to Gaza to form a governing council.

Posted by: That Northernlurke embracing the suckd at December 08, 2023 12:05 PM (hCt6Y)

193 Perhaps if a third of Hamas has gotten its 72 raisins, the rest will draw the appropriate conclusion.

This might work if Israel takes complete control of Hamasistan and institutes their own heavy handed propaganda so the next generation grows up, if not without Islam, with say the Egyptian variant.

But even then terrorism will continue...forever. The jihadis are not wrong when they say the Koran tells them to kill jews.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2023 12:05 PM (XqcwY)

194 no because last time they did that Hamas won, and that's how we all got here.
Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2023 12:03 PM (i9ffA)

Even the playing field .

Posted by: Drive By at December 08, 2023 12:05 PM (MNhXM)

195 I dunno, perhaps because Hamas uses them as human shields?
Posted by: Archimedes at December 08, 2023 12:04 PM (CsUN+)
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Any number of women are enthusiastic supporters of the glorious jihad. Some might even be regular combat deaths (though probably not many).

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 12:05 PM (zxP/x)

196 If a given muzzie shithole refuses to take its fair share, parachute them in, anyway.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2023 12:01 PM (fkNdo)

You could save money if you don't give them parachutes. And maybe just head out in to the Med for the dropoff.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2023 12:05 PM (i9ffA)

197 A time for pointing and laughing.

NYC Mayor Eric Adams’ Approval Hits Record-Low 28% Amid Budget Cuts to Fund Illegal Immigration Surge

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here
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Adams is heading to Washing to DC to get red state tax money to bail his sanctuary policies out... Joke is on us.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at December 08, 2023 12:06 PM (17s+e)

198 ... I'd just wall that place off, and I mean a wall with controlled access points and a patrolled perimeter using armed guards who shoot anyone coming out.

Incoming aid will be inspected before entry. Anyone found smuggling arms or weapons, or possessing arms or weapons would be summarily executed, and their property either destroyed or confiscated. ...
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 08, 2023 12:04 PM (YRsIm)
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They can do that from the Israeli side, and probably from the sea. But the other side of Gaza is Egypt, where Israel can't make demands unless they decide to re-conquer the Sinai.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 12:06 PM (zxP/x)

199 159 It's a very different appearance when the local government is putting down rebels with Israeli assistance than when it's this seeming international war. Which is why I suggest installing a friendly local authority.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at December 08, 2023 11:57 AM (eYoxG)
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Is this even possible? I guess that's the real question, but I doubt it. The Gazans will not accept a collaborationist government. They'll just murder the collaborationists along with the Israelis.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 11:58 AM (zxP/x)

It's basically how Chechnya was pacified and should work if most of Hamas is dead. The general Muslim populace of a country goes to war, or does not, based on what their leaders push for. Control the "nobility"(which includes their clergy) and the "king" and there's not too much issue. There may be periodic rebellions when some rabble-rousing imam tries to overthrow the puppet-ruler, but otherwise stable.

Generally the imams have been more of a problem in antagonizing for war than their hereditary nobility in the last century or so.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at December 08, 2023 12:06 PM (eYoxG)

200 "God help us if the Administration starts letting them resettle in the US."

It's been done for years, especially the past 20, whether through a legal Refugee program, via Temporary Protected Status of certain countries, through student visas, etc.

Posted by: L - They don't have to outrun the bear, they only need to outrun us - for now at December 08, 2023 12:07 PM (GshMh)

201 I optimistically don't think that will happen, because the Democrats have put themselves behind the 8-ball here. They've already got their northern base cities upset about immigration, not to mention the south - trying to move in 2 million foreign refugees in an election year would be absolute destruction for them if they try it, and even they realize it. They're stuck, with no good options.

I agree with you. Importing Palis in any significant number would be an electoral death sentence.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 08, 2023 12:07 PM (CsUN+)

202 192 A group of college presidents could be shipped to Gaza to form a governing council.
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I like this idea.

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 08, 2023 12:07 PM (ntk8v)

203 200

Posted by: m at December 08, 2023 12:07 PM (T7nlx)

204 there must be a speck of land out in the Pacific that's about the size of the Gaza strip

I've suggested Socotra. An island nominally owned by Yemen.

It gets the Palis away from Israel, moves them into an already Muslim area, its not ours but...we have a Navy and Yemen does not, and it could be patrolled fairly easily to keep the Palis penned in.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2023 12:07 PM (XqcwY)

205 McDonald's Launches New Chain "CosMc's" to Compete With Starbucks and Dunkin'
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 08, 2023 12:01 PM (FVME7)

Donuts and coffee menu ?
Posted by: Drive By

Their ice cream machine doesn't work. And now they are opening a cafe focusing their drinks on that.

Bwahahahahahahaha.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2023 12:07 PM (ous9O)

206 I live in nyc in the late 90s up to right before 9/11. Even then I was a tiny minority as a non-leftist. Back then it wasn’t a huge deal since politics wasn’t what it is today. You could disagree and still be friends.

Rudy won yes but he was a right guy right time kind of thing. Much like Trump in 2016. And in the past 25 years that city has gone so batshit left someone like Rudy could never win today. I honestly don’t think any Republican can win more than a 1/4 of the vote in an honest election.

Posted by: Montec at December 08, 2023 12:07 PM (Tll0L)

207 "parachute them in, anyway"

They already know how to use paragliders.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 08, 2023 12:07 PM (7B5FA)

208 The House of Saud is a good source for candidates to rule the territory because they're symbolic as protectors of the holy cities.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at December 08, 2023 12:07 PM (eYoxG)

209 Texas is getting a Tim Horton's. Coppell.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2023 12:07 PM (ous9O)

210 I agree with you. Importing Palis in any significant number would be an electoral death sentence.
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Want to bet?

Posted by: Pudinhead at December 08, 2023 12:07 PM (ntk8v)

211 5) Keep. The. U.N. Out. They will just meddle and screw everything up.
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Does that apply to just Gaza? Because I'd like that to apply to US. And, while we're at it, get US out of UN also.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at December 08, 2023 12:08 PM (fs1hN)

212 If Biden resettles them here as refugees I can't wait for the first story of one sneaking back into Israel and killing a bunch of kids in a Sabaros.

Nothing says "refugee" like going back to kill kids...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2023 12:08 PM (XqcwY)

213 Didja see this news from the economic front?

McDonald's Launches New Chain "CosMc's" to Compete With Starbucks and Dunkin'

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 08, 2023 12:01 PM (FVME7)

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Catering to COS-playing furries?

Posted by: ShainS -- CISA Cognitive Security Agent at December 08, 2023 12:08 PM (dbxe7)

214 >I agree with you. Importing Palis in any significant number would be an electoral death sentence.

Posted by: Archimedes
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are you sure
The American Voter doesn't have a very good track record, IMO

Posted by: Don Black at December 08, 2023 12:08 PM (geLO8)

215 If Biden resettles them here as refugees I can't wait for the first story of one sneaking back into Israel and killing a bunch of kids in a Sabaros.

Nothing says "refugee" like going back to kill kids...
Posted by: 18-1 at December 08, 2023 12:08 PM (XqcwY)
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Why bother when they can kill a bunch of a kids at a Pizza Hut right down the street?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 12:08 PM (zxP/x)

216 "And in the past 25 years that city has gone so batshit left someone like Rudy could never win today."

At some point the War of the Fellow Travelers is inevitable.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 08, 2023 12:09 PM (7B5FA)

217 Archimedes at December 08, 2023 11:52 AM

Yeah, there was just that jihadist attack at the church in the Philippines, a few hours after (?) the knifing of the "German tourist" in France who was from the Philippines (along with 2 women who were with him - not mentioned in news reports). His video mentioned jihad in East Asia as a motivation for his attack in France.

https://tinyurl.com/4ep73sn3

Posted by: KT at December 08, 2023 12:09 PM (rrtZS)

218 I've suggested Socotra. An island nominally owned by Yemen.

No. Too much cool endemic wildlife there. Everything will go extinct with the Palis there.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 08, 2023 12:09 PM (JrojV)

219 Any number of women are enthusiastic supporters of the glorious jihad. Some might even be regular combat deaths (though probably not many).
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 12:05 PM (zxP/x)

was chatting on twitter the other day, about a Muslim women hoping her sons would grow up to be suicide bombers. Came up with a new idea - we all know that Muslim men hate all muslim women, which is why they treat them like shit every minute of the day. Perhaps all muslim women secretly hate all muslim men right back - which is why they are at their happiest when their men go out and get themselves killed. And then they just hate everyone else too, to cover for it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2023 12:09 PM (i9ffA)

220 They can do that from the Israeli side, and probably from the sea. But the other side of Gaza is Egypt, where Israel can't make demands unless they decide to re-conquer the Sinai.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

Egypt doesn't want the palis.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2023 12:09 PM (ous9O)

221 ["Diogenes" has multiple graduate degrees with a focus on the Middle East, and an Army Intelligence Officer graduate of both the Army and USMC Command and Staff Colleges.]
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Also writes a bad-ass cigar review!

Posted by: Weasel at December 08, 2023 12:09 PM (RG6z4)

222 Nood Johnson.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at December 08, 2023 12:09 PM (eYoxG)

223 209 Tex-Mex poutine? Sounds interesting.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at December 08, 2023 12:10 PM (JrojV)

224 General intro, "The United National says women have borne the brunt of Israel's onslaught in Gaza. Two-thirds of those killed in a war, purportedly against hamas, are women and children. Why are so many women victims? And what can the world do to protect them?

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UN Secretary General Invokes Article 99 to Demand Ceasefire in Gaza

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I don't know what article 99 is but I'm sure peace is at hand.

Also . . .

UN Climate Summit Serves Gourmet Burgers and BBQ While Calling on Americans to Stop Eating Meat

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here at December 08, 2023 12:10 PM (FVME7)

225 >McDonald's Launches New Chain "CosMc's" to Compete With Starbucks and Dunkin'

I think they're aiming at hipsters who eat avocados on croissants and put olive oil in their coffee

Posted by: Don Black at December 08, 2023 12:10 PM (geLO8)

226 there must be a speck of land out in the Pacific that's about the size of the Gaza strip

I've suggested Socotra. An island nominally owned by Yemen.

It gets the Palis away from Israel, moves them into an already Muslim area, its not ours but...we have a Navy and Yemen does not, and it could be patrolled fairly easily to keep the Palis penned in.

There are islands in the Andamans which have never been visited by white men, because the existing natives kill them and anyone who sets foot on their land. Those would be good.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 08, 2023 12:10 PM (CsUN+)

227 127 God, no. What the fuck’s wrong with you?
Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 08, 2023 11:52 AM (jbnUc)

Unfortunately, some people really just want to watch another population eliminate the black one.

Posted by: XTC at December 08, 2023 12:10 PM (sm6Pk)

228 I've suggested Socotra. An island nominally owned by Yemen.

No. Too much cool endemic wildlife there. Everything will go extinct due to rape with the Palis there.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

Fixed for accuracy.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2023 12:10 PM (ous9O)

229 Iran was moving towards a western style society with the Shah . I think he was trying to do a Ataturk but didn't have his skill.
Posted by: Drive By at December 08, 2023 11:45 AM (MNhXM)

Largely at the behest of the CIA, he was looking for Reds under every bed, and ignoring the islamist elephants preaching on the street corners.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2023 12:10 PM (fkNdo)

230 Texas is getting a Tim Horton's. Coppell. Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2023 12:07 PM (ous9O)

They do get ice storms at least once a winter, so for a few days they'll feel at home.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 08, 2023 12:10 PM (7B5FA)

231 I wonder what Madagascar would look like today if that had become a Jewish homeland.

Posted by: Drive By at December 08, 2023 12:10 PM (MNhXM)

232 Also see US and statelessness.

Posted by: L - They don't have to outrun the bear, they only need to outrun us - for now at December 08, 2023 12:11 PM (GshMh)

233 UN Secretary General Invokes Article 99 to Demand Ceasefire in Gaza

Generallissimo can chew a whole bag of Richards.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 08, 2023 12:11 PM (ous9O)

234 Unfortunately, some people really just want to watch another population eliminate the black one. Posted by: XTC at December 08, 2023 12:10 PM (sm6Pk)

Way ahead of you there!

Posted by: Margaret Sanger at December 08, 2023 12:11 PM (7B5FA)

235 Colorado is getting a Buc-ees

way up north from Denver on I-25

Posted by: Don Black at December 08, 2023 12:12 PM (geLO8)

236 LIV golf might stage a tournament there [horrified gasp]
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at December 08, 2023 12:00 PM (ixCnf)
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Only way to watch Jon Rahm play.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 08, 2023 12:12 PM (c7eMl)

237 >UN Secretary General Invokes Article 99 to Demand Ceasefire in Gaza

yeah
invoke THIS, jagweed

Posted by: Don Black at December 08, 2023 12:13 PM (geLO8)

238
The UN has been fund raising for 60 years on how well they've done keeping the peace in Gaza. It's their showpiece.

Let's take that away from them. We can't afford any more.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at December 08, 2023 11:35 AM (FCs/J)

The UN has been fucking shit up in the world for well over 60 years, going back as far as the Congo Crisis. No sane country would let the UN operate within their borders.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 08, 2023 12:13 PM (n+4am)

239 way up north from Denver on I-25 Posted by: Don Black at December 08, 2023 12:12 PM (geLO

Halfway to somewhere so you have to stop, use the awesome bathroom, buy a big drink and get some Beaver Nuggets.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 08, 2023 12:14 PM (7B5FA)

240 231 I wonder what Madagascar would look like today if that had become a Jewish homeland.
Posted by: Drive By at December 08, 2023 12:10 PM (MNhXM)

It would be strange seeing King Julien as PM.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2023 12:14 PM (i9ffA)

241 189
‘ Pelosi: The Constitution Is at Stake If Trump Wins, Except for Real This Time’

In a way, Bell Clapper Tits is right. Their version of the Constitution (democrats are supreme,have their own set of laws) versus our version (Constitution as written).

Posted by: Dr. Claw at December 08, 2023 12:14 PM (jbnUc)

242 Only way to watch Jon Rahm play.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 08, 2023 12:12 PM (c7eMl)

For a 100 million a year I'd play in Somalia.

Posted by: Drive By at December 08, 2023 12:14 PM (MNhXM)

243 You know those groups who deprogram people rescued from cults? We send those guys in to design a program and we set them to breaking the entire order down. Deport any imam who objects to the reforms to Afghanistan. Full on boot camp style program to rehabilitate them mentally and reprogram them, then skills training programs in agriculture, or fields with no potential aggressive application. You don't pass the program, you stay in the refugee zone with minimal support until you do or have a visa issued to you personally by an Arab country to which you will be deported (at which point you are IMMEDIATELY banned FOR LIFE from returning.)

I figure that level of reculturalization would save as much as 25% of the population. I'm 90% sure it'd technically be a BUNCH of war crimes and be crucified by the UN, but it's what its going to take.

Posted by: American Hawkman at December 08, 2023 12:14 PM (skAOD)

244 They can do that from the Israeli side, and probably from the sea. But the other side of Gaza is Egypt, where Israel can't make demands unless they decide to re-conquer the Sinai.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 12:06 PM (zxP/x)

Sounds like there needs to be a buffer between the Egypt/Gaza border and the Gaza Dignity wall then. Seriously, that place needs to be isolated and strictly patrolled/controlled until they can learn to live as human beings and not animals.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 08, 2023 12:16 PM (YRsIm)

245 The westphalian view of the modern state envisioned limited wars that would resolve debt and power imbalances between states that recognized their right to exist. This creates states made up of subject populations with a government and armies made of professionals who operated under rules. The best example of this is the Europe under Metternich's plan, with the Congress of Vienna after the Napoleonic wars.
This works until it has to cope with nationalism, which was encouraged in France, Germany and Italy as a rallying point for the populations that wished to have things done for themselves, not for some foreign ruler who claimed ownership. Congress of Vienna's goals were to prevent nationalism which they saw as the cause of the wars with France. Nowadays, the globalists are trying the same thing with the idea that "Nationalism is a four letter word starting with N and ending in I"
the globalists, however, have made countries and cultures bare their throats to foreigners who want to control things for themselves, and "administrators" who want to asset strip and make themselves rich on stolen wealth
Israel may wind up deciding globalism is the problem and not the solution.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 08, 2023 12:16 PM (D7oie)

246 The UN has been fund raising for 60 years on how well they've done keeping the peace in Gaza. It's their showpiece.

Let's take that away from them. We can't afford any more.
Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at December 08, 2023 11:35 AM (FCs/J)

The Commissioner-General of the U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees, Philippe Lazzarini, has been whining to the AP for the last couple of days, mainly about how Israel has now bombed and/or put out of action over 80 UN facilities in Gaza since this war began. Remember that Israel has shown video of their forces taking a UNRWA building stocked full of ready to fire missiles.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2023 12:17 PM (i9ffA)

247 In response to Dio's request for comments about, "What do posters here at AoS see for The Day After?"

I see 5 years of Israeli military occupation. As I've said before, I think the paradigm must be occupied Germany & occupied Japan.

This prospect isn't pleasing to contemplate, but I think it's the least bad of all the possible post-war futures which can be envisioned.

Posted by: mnw at December 08, 2023 12:17 PM (NLIak)

248 Of course, the trick is still to get other Muslim countries to accept them.
Posted by: KT at December 08, 2023 11:56 AM (rrtZS)

If Buttfuckistan accepts their allotment of Gazans, they get the support payments. If they don't accept them, they get them anyway, via parachute, and no support payments.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2023 12:18 PM (fkNdo)

249 Sounds like there needs to be a buffer between the Egypt/Gaza border and the Gaza Dignity wall then. Seriously, that place needs to be isolated and strictly patrolled/controlled until they can learn to live as human beings and not animals.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at December 08, 2023 12:16 PM (YRsIm)
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It might happen. If Israel puts Gaza behind a pale, Egypt might well do the same.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 12:18 PM (zxP/x)

250 They can do that from the Israeli side, and probably from the sea. But the other side of Gaza is Egypt, where Israel can't make demands unless they decide to re-conquer the Sinai.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 12:06 PM (zxP/x)

Israel offered a reduction on Egypt's IMF debt if they agreed to take the Palestinians. They said no, but they are taking them for now. It is an interesting approach to diplomacy, though.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 08, 2023 12:19 PM (D7oie)

251 I've got a suggestion for de-radicalizing the Strip: Don't send that British chick in to talk to the Muslim ladies about toilets as art the way you did in Afghanistan.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at December 08, 2023 12:20 PM (GD2xa)

252 244 They can do that from the Israeli side, and probably from the sea. But the other side of Gaza is Egypt, where Israel can't make demands unless they decide to re-conquer the Sinai.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 12:06 PM (zxP/x)

I do not see that as much of a problem, because I believe Israel and Egypt actually agree with each other about Hamas, even though Egypt doesn't want the grief it would get from saying so openly.

latest report from that border is that Egypt has started construction of a concrete wall on their side of the border, to make sure no Palestinians can sneak into Egypt that way.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2023 12:21 PM (i9ffA)

253 UN Secretary General Invokes Article 99 to Demand Ceasefire in Gaza

Article 69 > Article 99

Posted by: Ian S. at December 08, 2023 12:21 PM (2ocoG)

254 This prospect isn't pleasing to contemplate, but I think it's the least bad of all the possible post-war futures which can be envisioned.

Posted by: mnw at December 08, 2023 12:17 PM (NLIak)

I agree with you. It's not good, but everything else is worse. They can't just leave because then Hezbollah or Iran walks in, and its war all over again.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 08, 2023 12:23 PM (i9ffA)

255 tl;dr: Situation returns to status quo /tl;dr

1) The usual players clamor for ceasefires, humanitarian aid to Palestinians, and so on. Multiple cycles of ceasefires implemented and broken. Clamor, protests, fiery speeches, breathless news reports on the latest non-action.

2) Israel stops short of total victory

3) Gazans still inhabit Gaza, with dysfunctional culture and amazingly high birthrate

4) A small set of Uber-Gazans, call them Hamas, Fata, PLO, or some other name, will rule the Gazans more as slave masters than as a government

5) Huge amounts of foreign aid to Gaza that mostly ends up in the bank accounts of the Uber-Gazans and international NGOs

6) Regional powers -- probably Iran, but maybe others -- continue using Palestinians as a proxy weapon

7) In 5-10 years, another barbarity rivaling, even exceeding 7 Oct 23. Targeted towards civilians, using screwy Wiley Coyote tactics that could only work against civilian targets. Before this, many smaller incidents -- missiles fired into Israel, Israelis kidnapped, and so on.

Cycle repeats

Between 2) and 7), casualties due to Israelis revised dramatically down, Hamas barbarities revised up in quantity and quality

Posted by: Sweet Lou at December 08, 2023 12:23 PM (jTVDm)

256 253 UN Secretary General Invokes Article 99 to Demand Ceasefire in Gaza

Article 69 > Article 99
Posted by: Ian S. at December 08, 2023 12:21 PM (2ocoG)

INVOKE ORDER NUMBER 66 !!!!

Posted by: Chancellor Palpatine at December 08, 2023 12:25 PM (i9ffA)

257 What is UN article 99? What's the UN's enforcement mechanism for the same?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 12:26 PM (zxP/x)

258 Diogenes,
good stuff, thank you.
My 2 cents: A "Pie in the Sky" COA
Some long-game thinkers in the US get our proxies in the thick of it over there. Maybe a handful of NGOs but I'm thinking lots of commercial entities to rebuild everything. With this rebuilding are lots of strings attached. Lots of possibilities open for what those strings are and how to cash them in over time. Even if Western influence increased by a mere couple of percentage points, it would be better in the long game considering the region. Wish I had time to better spell out the concept.
What'll probably happen? Same shit that's happened before: refugee camps, bad actors take advantage, get the current and upcoming generation fired up again, more conflict.

Posted by: fastfreefall at December 08, 2023 12:30 PM (4a9Ka)

259 There will be no "After Hamas" until Islam is utterly destroyed.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 08, 2023 12:35 PM (0iecl)

260 There will be no "After Hamas" until Islam is utterly destroyed.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 08, 2023 12:35 PM (0iecl)

While one side is willing to accept a two state solution to get approval from the globalist dominated world opinion and the other side wants to clear the land of Israelis completely, there is not much room for negotiation.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 08, 2023 12:50 PM (D7oie)

261 How we denazified Germany - 45 million Nazi party members. We identified and interviewed every single one:

V. Persons Exonerated. No sanctions.
IV. Followers. Possible restrictions on travel, employment, political rights, plus fines.
III. Lesser Offenders. Placed on probation for 2–3 years with a list of restrictions. No internment.
II. Offenders: Activists, Militants, and Profiteers, or Incriminated Persons. Subject to immediate arrest and imprisonment up to ten years performing reparation or reconstruction work plus a list of other restrictions.
I. Major Offenders. Subject to immediate arrest, death, imprisonment with or without hard labor, plus a list of lesser sanctions.

Posted by: Navin Gewsome at December 08, 2023 01:13 PM (mvURQ)

262 About 25 miles to the West Bank an easy two day walk.
A corridor needs to be established and after all of Hamas is killed down to the lowest fighter, then the entire population needs to be rounded up and force marched to their kin in the West Bank. Totally evacuate Gaza, then round up all the Israeli “settlers” in the West Bank and move them to Gaza. Takes care of two trouble makers for the price of one. Declare the West Bank the new Palestinian state. Take over Gaza and incorporate it into the State of Israel as spoils of the war that those Palestinian animals started. Build a wall 50 feet high and deep along the West Bank, Prohibit all trade with it including food keep them busy trying to farm and eat. The best peace keeper is working to assuage hunger. Keep the UN out, and let Jordan and Iran, and the Palestinian authority grapple with the trash that are these people and their problems. Hmmm also mRNA vaccinate them all for Covid since its actual job was to lower the birth rate.

Posted by: 42 at December 08, 2023 01:22 PM (DpTPc)

263 Gaza will become a welfare state given that all of Hamas is killed, which,remains to be seen. The problem with the PLO, not that there is just one, is, they are the lowest of Arabs and all of the Middle East know it.

Posted by: sidney at December 08, 2023 01:32 PM (Uy/WF)

264 We must be caring and giving.

Have Pfizer give every Gaza resident a vaccine shot against COVID-19 Wuhan. Because we are givers.

The Gaza population is concentrated in a small area. Crop dusting works. Because they are pests and parasites. Do it at night, without video.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at December 08, 2023 01:33 PM (u82oZ)

265 Wars end when one side is made to understand they cannot win.

Ask Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan how that works.

Posted by: Muthaucker at December 08, 2023 01:36 PM (O1pot)

266 Aside from economic/humanitarian issues, set up some clear rules about automatic responses to Pali aggression.
* No border crossing into Israel for jobs. That was used to scout for the raid. They have to earn trust by long-standing peace.
* Establish counter-battery radar and response systems along the border. Any rocket or mortar fire gets an immediate & significant response without any investigation of what environ it originated.
* If a rocket hits a building or an inhabited area, two targets in the strip get taken out for each one.
* If an someone is killed in Israel at Pali hands, water and electricity from Israel are shut off for one month.
* Etc. Etc. Etc. The point is, have some clear rules that shift the cost of such aggression to the aggressor.

Posted by: Robert H at December 08, 2023 04:01 PM (s7pDL)

267 78
Dump it onto the UN. The UN *loves* Palis.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 08, 2023 11:43 AM (zxP/x)
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The UN was already embedded with Hamas. They even supplied schoolbooks with 'Kill Jews' expounded. All the UN and Red Cross bags used by the terrorists?

Posted by: Ciampino - You know, at 29 that's true right?? at December 08, 2023 05:28 PM (qfLjt)

268 I say send the Gazans on an "Israeli" boat down around Yemen, where the Houthis can shoot at it, and up to Qatar. Unload survivors there, without a care for Qatari willingness.

Then, send all the "free Palestine" kids to Gaza, with a packet of seeds, a bag of manure, and a tree each. Oh, and, maybe 100 days of strictly halal rations. And tell them to have at it. Turn it into something "for Gaia and Palestine."

And, yes, keep them out of Israel entirely.

Posted by: GWB at December 09, 2023 10:12 AM (HMvgH)

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