NYT: The Pandemic Learning Loss Is the Biggest Setback in the History of American Education

Oh that's right, it's been three years. Three years is the Industry Standard "Decent Interval" period of time for leftwing NPCs to admit the truth that the rest of us saw immediately.

This morning the NY Times editorial board stated the obvious. Pandemic learning loss is a historic disaster which the country has not recovered from yet.

In the thick of the Covid-19 pandemic, Congress sent $190 billion in aid to schools, stipulating that 20 percent of the funds had to be used for reversing learning setbacks. At the time, educators knew that the impact on how children learn would be significant, but the extent was not yet known.
The evidence is now in, and it is startling. The school closures that took 50 million children out of classrooms at the start of the pandemic may prove to be the most damaging disruption in the history of American education. It also set student progress in math and reading back by two decades and widened the achievement gap that separates poor and wealthy children.
These learning losses will remain unaddressed when the federal money runs out in 2024. Economists are predicting that this generation, with such a significant educational gap, will experience diminished lifetime earnings and become a significant drag on the economy. But education administrators and elected officials who should be mobilizing the country against this threat are not.

John Sexton points out the Times could not possibly be so stupid as to believe the recommendations they make, which begin with paying higher wages to teachers whose students show objective improvements. The communist unions absolutely refuse any output-based bonuses. They'll allow input-based bonuses, like paying teachers higher for getting advanced degrees which are of little use in instructing children, but they will absolutely not permit any insinuation that some teachers are better than others, other teachers are worse than others, and some teachers are just damned incompetent and must be fired.

Sexton points out that the left wing simply will not admit their fellow leftists' responsibility for this disaster.

Nor will they even begin to contemplate their own responsibility. Sexton quotes from this NYT editorial disguised as straight reporting, attacking DeSantis for reopening the schools in 2020:

Of all the ways to describe the fraught decision to reopen schools during a pandemic, Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, a former Navy prosecutor, chose an especially dramatic example when he compared the commitment of teachers and administrators to the resolve of Navy SEALs given the mission to go after Osama bin Laden.
"Just as the SEALs surmounted obstacles to bring Osama bin Laden to justice, so, too, would the Martin County school system find a way to provide parents with a meaningful choice of in-person instruction or continued distance learning -- all in, all the time," he said, citing the leader of a local school district.
He meant for the line to be inspirational. But perhaps unintentionally, Mr. DeSantis also highlighted an undeniable truth in Florida since students began returning to classrooms last week: There will be virus casualties...
A hearing is scheduled for Wednesday in a lawsuit filed by the American Federation of Teachers, the second-largest teachers' union in the country, and one of its affiliates, the Florida Education Association. The union argues that the reopening mandate violates a requirement in Florida law that schools be "safe."

"There will be virus casualties."

To this day, there has not been a single documented case of a child who did not have severe comorbidities already dying of covid or even "with" covid.

But perhaps we're giving teachers too much credit -- they're not interested in teaching children about math and reading and science anyway, so what's the difference if kids are in school or not?

From Becky Noble at RedState:

The National Council of Teachers of English (NCTE) is an organization that offers various resources to English teachers. They are very excited about hosting their upcoming teachers' conference and have announced some of the topics being discussed with the teachers charged with instructing your kids. They are very eager to bring the latest woke ideologies to the classroom. The conference, dubbed "Conexiones 2023," will be held in Columbus, Ohio....
According to the description in the listing on the conference schedule regarding the critical race theory session:

"This presentation is a literary analysis of a short story using CRT as an instructive lens. The idea is to offer teachers another concept of applying a critical theory to their teaching repertoire while showing how CRT can help our way of thinking and teaching literature."
The takeaway from this description appears to be inserting CRT into a short story that doesn't otherwise include it to teach children in the classroom that some of them are oppressed and some of them are the oppressors, thus teaching them to hate each other. Welcome to public school English class in 2023. A quick perusal of the entire schedule of the conference reveals a whole host of leftist issues like climate activism, social justice, and LGBTQ issues.

These alleged English teachers also insist that they cannot remain silent, but must indoctrinate children about... why Israel is an oppressor state and Palestine must be free from the river to the sea:

@ncte should focus more on teaching English and not indoctrinating our children. How will this help raise our abysmal reading scores? https://t.co/flOlQrJQU2
— Red-pilled Librarian 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱 (@redpillblustate) November 15, 2023

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 05:30 PM

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1 A great success!

Posted by: CCP at November 20, 2023 05:31 PM (2iuly)

2 To this day, there has not been a single documented case of a child who did not have severe comorbidities already dying of covid or even "with" covid.

In Oregon (which shut down the schools longer than any state other than California), the teachers unions were quite upfront that the main purpose of the shutdowns was to protect the teachers, not the students.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 20, 2023 05:33 PM (YAtuc)

3 Hey, you want your Palestine you're gonna have to pay for it like everyone else, bub.

TANSTAAFP

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 20, 2023 05:33 PM (9UlRk)

4 "The Pandemic Learning Loss Is the Biggest Setback in the History of American Education"

Well duh.

Posted by: fd at November 20, 2023 05:33 PM (vFG9F)

5 I hate these people so much. So so so so so so so much.

Hangman’s noose.

Posted by: thathalfrican - The One at November 20, 2023 05:34 PM (4L8Zk)

6 NYT: The Pandemic Learning Loss Is the Biggest Setback in the History of American Education
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Outdoing even Randi Weingarten? That's saying something.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 20, 2023 05:34 PM (lfS+4)

7 "To this day, there has not been a single documented case of a child who did not have severe comorbidities already dying of covid or even "with" covid."

Now they are worried about the children. But not the Jewish children.

Posted by: fd at November 20, 2023 05:35 PM (vFG9F)

8 Thank the Cultural Marxist Seminaries wanting a vacation

Posted by: Skip at November 20, 2023 05:35 PM (fwDg9)

9 Honestly, I should have thought that getting children out of schools for three years would have made them a little smarter and more well adjusted.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 20, 2023 05:35 PM (9UlRk)

10 hiya

Posted by: JT at November 20, 2023 05:35 PM (T4tVD)

11 Teachers are glorified Camp Counselors.

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2023 05:35 PM (oaDrA)

12 Yeah, it sure fucked up my grandson's first two High School years.

Posted by: wth at November 20, 2023 05:35 PM (v0R5T)

13 I owe Bluebell and several others a huge debt for their encouragement and support when I helped Daughter of Diogenes #2 shift the grandkids to homeschooling. Today they are traveling the country with their parents, seeing America, earning straight As in their online school and having a blast. And they have caught a fish in 15 states so far.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 20, 2023 05:35 PM (uSHSS)

14 If the shutdowns did irreversible damage to education don’t you think it did the same thing to every other sector?

Posted by: Drive by at November 20, 2023 05:35 PM (MNhXM)

15 Here in KY there are a plethora of "behavioral and other clinics" designed to help your COVID-retarred child acclimate to society.

They're failing. By design.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 20, 2023 05:36 PM (Q4IgG)

16 Whatever sacrifices are necessary, if at all possible, home-school your kids.

God bless my amazing wife.

Posted by: GM27, SEP Field Technician at November 20, 2023 05:36 PM (RKLPC)

17 But perhaps we're giving teachers too much credit -- they're not interested in teaching children about math and reading and science anyway, so what's the difference if kids are in school or not?

This has always been my position.

Posted by: Schools are child prisons run by people who should not be allowed around children at November 20, 2023 05:37 PM (pjs7m)

18 Wait, until Palestinians are Free, no one is Free?

Uh... so we have to free a fictitious group, with no historic ties to the land... who are terrorists... or I'm not Free?

I guess Terror really does work.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 20, 2023 05:37 PM (xaFKb)

19 What about the virus casualties like my son who graduated with no friends, and is missing a bunch of key concepts that have already led to him dropping out of college.

This shit is real

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at November 20, 2023 05:37 PM (qEcv1)

20 H1N1 targeted younger healthy kids more than seniors. They didn’t shut down any schools. Most I recall is that some activities were postponed when enough kids were sick.

Posted by: Drive by at November 20, 2023 05:37 PM (MNhXM)

21 Way to go Diogenes. Those kids are having a most excellent adventure.

Posted by: fd at November 20, 2023 05:37 PM (vFG9F)

22 "Learning Loss" will become teacher's unions new cry for needing more funding.

Posted by: 29Victor at November 20, 2023 05:38 PM (M+gBW)

23 Javier Milei at white board throwing various Ministries to the ground, "Gone!". He said, "Ministry of Education. Indoctrination. Gone!"

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 20, 2023 05:38 PM (cOq4q)

24 I'll wager that the speech and language delays in tots that were not even school age during the shut downs is part of the problem. The damage from not being able to see how sounds were formed and general loss of interaction probable set up a bunch of kiddos to be slow learners when they got to kindergarten and first grade.

Posted by: PaleRider at November 20, 2023 05:38 PM (3cGpq)

25 Yep. I've seen it with my kids and many of their peers, the setback. I am no longer mad at the POS teachers, just quiet rage and fury is my new philosophy towards them.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at November 20, 2023 05:38 PM (Qn59F)

26 'Learning Deserts'

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2023 05:39 PM (oaDrA)

27 What happened to Biden's "Winter of Death and Despair" or whatever he called it?

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 20, 2023 05:39 PM (cOq4q)

28 Economists are predicting that this generation, with such a significant educational gap, will experience diminished lifetime earnings and become a significant drag on the economy.

At one time they could have been drawers of water and hewers of wood, but the illegals have all those jobs.

At least the sex trade is booming.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) muses at November 20, 2023 05:39 PM (i5lJm)

29 Meanwhile, the teachers have been on strike since November 1st in Portland, with no resolution of the dispute in sight.

After all, teachers are "heroes", who deserve much, much more pay.

The Portland teachers did everything they could to keep the schools from reopening after Covid - demanding that heavy-duty ventilation systems be retrofitted in to decades-old school buildings before opening the schools, for example.

There was a proposal to reopen the schools in February, and the teacher's union argued that "since we are nearly at the end of the school year anyway", that the schools should remain shut until the following September, because, after all, "distance learning" was working out **so** well.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 20, 2023 05:39 PM (YAtuc)

30 nooded

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at November 20, 2023 05:40 PM (krqg6)

31 'Knowledge Insecurity'

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2023 05:40 PM (oaDrA)

32 Homeschooling. It's the only answer to this. And it's been the answer for a long long time.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at November 20, 2023 05:40 PM (BdMk6)

33 23 Javier Milei at white board throwing various Ministries to the ground, "Gone!". He said, "Ministry of Education. Indoctrination. Gone!"

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 20, 2023 05:38 PM (cOq4q)

It was Jimmy Carter who got the Dept of Education started, and test scores have continuously declined ever since.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 20, 2023 05:40 PM (xaFKb)

34 It's a bonus feature, not a bug!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff in solidarity with the struggle to maintain Moron standards at November 20, 2023 05:40 PM (FFW2d)

35
I have a heightened interest in Ron thanks to this post.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at November 20, 2023 05:40 PM (enJYY)

36 The Cultural Marxist indoctrination is what's destroying education.

Posted by: Skip at November 20, 2023 05:40 PM (fwDg9)

37 Ha ha ha. We buried you!

Posted by: Nikita Khrushchev's shoe at November 20, 2023 05:40 PM (63Dwl)

38 I’m reading this a little differently. Sure, it’s an attempted money grab by the pedo retards we call teachers. But I think the missed point is that it’s an excuse and battlefield prep for the next 10 years (at least) of abyssal student testing and achievement. Every horrific data point to puke out of American education for the next decade or more will be blamed on Covid. Oh, in 2030 the reports are that Johnny can’t count his fingers at age 18? Totally Covid, yo.

Posted by: Elric Blade at November 20, 2023 05:41 PM (d/S6j)

39 ace, I think you are ... what's the opposite of burying the lede? Anyways, NYT is not admitting anything, this is the important part of the article:

These learning losses will remain unaddressed when the federal money runs out in 2024.

That's what it's all about.

"These totally necessary shutdowns led to so much worse outcomes than we ever could have known! We need MOAR MONEY FOR TEACHERS UNIONS!!!!"

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 20, 2023 05:41 PM (mj0Qp)

40 What happened to Biden's "Winter of Death and Despair" or whatever he called it?
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 20, 2023 05:39 PM (cOq4q)

I won! I lived! Pureblood now and forever. Will not ever forget.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at November 20, 2023 05:41 PM (Qn59F)

41 The commies run the schools. And the universities.
What's happening isn't happenstance.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 20, 2023 05:41 PM (MeG8a)

42 38 I’m reading this a little differently. Sure, it’s an attempted money grab by the pedo retards we call teachers. But I think the missed point is that it’s an excuse and battlefield prep for the next 10 years (at least) of abyssal student testing and achievement. Every horrific data point to puke out of American education for the next decade or more will be blamed on Covid. Oh, in 2030 the reports are that Johnny can’t count his fingers at age 18? Totally Covid, yo.
Posted by: Elric Blade at November 20, 2023 05:41 PM (d/S6j)

Agreed 100%.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 20, 2023 05:41 PM (mj0Qp)

43 Someone needs to get elected here and start closing government departments
Education is one

Posted by: Skip at November 20, 2023 05:42 PM (fwDg9)

44 I have said this before.

I noticed -- In the 70s! - that on state and national tests the essay reading questions were always filled with propaganda. How Indians were slaughtered, how disabled people were wonderful, how ghetto people where smarter than others, etc.

I still remember one story about a spastic kid who was a really good runner. (wut?) I thought what a stupid POS thing I had to read and during a test. It made me hate the test author.

Another essay reading comprehension essay was about a pushcart war against a big money supermarket or something (ie, peasants revolting.) They used straws and thumbtacks as blow guns to take out the tires of the delivery trucks. WTF kind of idiot thinks a thumbtack blow gun is gonna puncture a tire? These idiots were testing me???? I hated it. almost 29 years later and I remember these essays. Scum.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 20, 2023 05:42 PM (2iuly)

45 With the exception of a few months in Spring of 2020 and a couple of weeks that December, I taught all through the "pandemic". The difference was I taught in a Catholic school and we did what we felt was best for our students. Yes, stupid masks and yes six feet apart (insert eye roll here) but we made it work. All of this was so unnecessary. Those poor students who had to stay home all year (like my grandson in Kindergarten for goodness sake) lost so much. And the poor parents had to provide a place for them to learn. No wonder so many people are now home schooling.

Posted by: Mrs. Leggy at November 20, 2023 05:43 PM (Vf4Y7)

46 14 If the shutdowns did irreversible damage to education don’t you think it did the same thing to every other sector?

Posted by: Drive by at November 20, 2023 05:35 PM (MNhXM)

Yes. Yes, I do. Nothing has worked "right" or in the normal way since COVID.

I don't actually think it was the direct result of the lockdowns. I think the vast, VAST majority of our institutions have been running on fumes for a long time, and COVID was just the tide going out, and now we can see who was skinny dipping.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 20, 2023 05:43 PM (mj0Qp)

47 All education-related revenue should follow the student, based on their parent's wishes. Parochial, private, home-school, anything but public Marxist indoctrination centers. Starve the beast.

Posted by: GM27, SEP Field Technician at November 20, 2023 05:43 PM (RKLPC)

48 "What happened to Biden's "Winter of Death and Despair" or whatever he called it?
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher"

Didn't you get the "I'm a Winter of Death and Despair Survivor" t-shirt?

Posted by: fd at November 20, 2023 05:43 PM (vFG9F)

49 The Hot teacher doing the student arrests have spiked in the last few months. One positive of the COVID school shutdown .

Posted by: Drive by at November 20, 2023 05:44 PM (MNhXM)

50 The mission of the 'flu' creators is to reduce the population. The mission of the teacher's unions is to promote and enable the furtherance of socialism. Everybody has a mission, comrade.

Posted by: Eromero at November 20, 2023 05:44 PM (NxC5+)

51 was just the tide going out, and now we can see who was skinny dipping.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at November 20, 2023 05:43 PM (mj0Qp)

I love this expression and will certainly steal it for meatspace.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) muses at November 20, 2023 05:44 PM (i5lJm)

52 FNC doing a nice job with their holiday tree lighting thing. A rabbi and an archbishop gave terrific short addresses.

Gotta wonder what kind of armed security is needed this holiday season for the FoxNews and Rockefeller Center trees, and wherever they are erected in NYC.

There are many hamassholes out there that wanna really really wanna hit them with molotov cocktails or even RPGs.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at November 20, 2023 05:44 PM (4ZE6o)

53 Posted by: Mrs. Leggy at November 20, 2023 05:43 PM (Vf4Y7)

Here in Calif, students were not in classrooms, but they were still providing FREE Breakfast and Lunch for students.

How that made any sense? Well... California.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 20, 2023 05:45 PM (xaFKb)

54 Distance learning gives your kids the audiovisual knowhow they'll need to prosper on OnlyFans.

Posted by: Edukators at November 20, 2023 05:45 PM (pjs7m)

55 We have seen dozens of teachers pushing sex changes and teachers who shouldn't be allowed near children

Posted by: Skip at November 20, 2023 05:45 PM (fwDg9)

56 No wonder so many people are now home schooling.
Posted by: Mrs. Leggy at November 20, 2023 05:43 PM (Vf4Y7)

I regret not home schooling my kids. Any parent here thinking of doing home schooling for your kids, do it. I made the mistake of not doing it.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at November 20, 2023 05:46 PM (Qn59F)

57
The National Council of Teachers of English can go suck an unwashed glue-addicted syphilitic hobo's balls.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 20, 2023 05:46 PM (n+4am)

58 Home schoolers, we cannot allow an OnlyFans gap!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) muses at November 20, 2023 05:46 PM (i5lJm)

59 Palestine? Lets begin: no murder.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at November 20, 2023 05:46 PM (r0dOk)

60 Silver Surfer in the rebooted FANTASTIC 4 movie is cast as a Woman.

Disney Can’t Help Themselves

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 20, 2023 05:46 PM (dKiJG)

61 I love this expression and will certainly steal it for meatspace.
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

Credit where due - It's a Warren buffet quote, and it was phrased something abut you can see who isn't covered. In reference to stock market and specifically hedging.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at November 20, 2023 05:47 PM (2iuly)

62 Now, I would agree to pay bonuses for teachers based on how many kids they convert to the LGBTQ+ lifestyle

Posted by: Randi Weingarten at November 20, 2023 05:47 PM (hqVaF)

63

I've been red pilled.

Up my pee hole!

It's how you kill the hamster if he won't come out... Bam, right betten the eyes!

Posted by: Shemp Smith at November 20, 2023 05:47 PM (/BeiT)

64 Javier Milei at white board throwing various Ministries to the ground, "Gone!". He said, "Ministry of Education. Indoctrination. Gone!"

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 20, 2023 05:38 PM (cOq4q)

That was epic!!!
I wish I could have figured out how to link it. There's one that didn't come off right away and he grabs it again, tears it off the board, shouts Gone, no matter how much they resist!
That was awesome!

Posted by: Diogenes at November 20, 2023 05:47 PM (uSHSS)

65 More basics: Stay in your lane.

Posted by: Hokey Pokey at November 20, 2023 05:47 PM (r0dOk)

66 Silver Snizzer?

Posted by: Wally at November 20, 2023 05:48 PM (hqVaF)

67 Break the Teachers Unions. Until those unions are gone, kids will be indoctrinated in the leftist cause du jour.

There is no middle ground; no compromise is possible. Marxists must be driven from our schools (and public libraries) because this entire generation of kids are now nothing more than an object lesson.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at November 20, 2023 05:48 PM (Z9R/r)

68
I have a good friend who is teaching in fifth grade. He says that, as a whole, those kids more closely resemble kids at the second grade level comportment-wise and socially. "We have no idea how we could overcome this."

"Thanks!" teachers unions and school boards for a job well done!

A modest proposal: reduce salaries and other compensation of those in the trenches when they made their bad decisions to levels compatible with what their charges at the time will face in their lifetimes.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2023 05:48 PM (xG4kz)

69 they're not interested in teaching children about math and reading and science anyway, so what's the difference if kids are in school or not?

There's no sex if they're not in school.

Posted by: Teachers Are The True Frontline Heroes at November 20, 2023 05:49 PM (HjfVN)

70 The conference, dubbed "Conexiones 2023," will be held in Columbus, Ohio....

I suppose there is a reason they couldn't choose a name for their jumped-up circle-jerk that wasn't foreign-sounding gibberish.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 20, 2023 05:49 PM (guGkK)

71 Someone needs to get elected here and start closing government departments
Education is one
Posted by: Skip at November 20, 2023 05:42 PM (fwDg9)

as the man says..."Afuera!"

Posted by: Boswell at November 20, 2023 05:49 PM (K+UlC)

72 To this day, there has not been a single documented case of a child who did not have severe comorbidities already dying of covid or even "with" covid.

Yeah, I knew something was up when the media wouldn't put up pictures of the kids that died "from" the Kung Flu.

Aspiring rapper who dindu nuffin? Sure, show a picture from several years ago. Kid that got grabbed by a non-custodial parent? Splash a picture from Grandma's phone all over the news. But a kid that could outweigh a SEAL/seal? Nope, no picture to be found!!!

Posted by: pookysgirl, with a higher Perception score than the media would like at November 20, 2023 05:50 PM (dtlDP)

73 >>Here in Calif, students were not in classrooms, but they were still providing FREE Breakfast and Lunch for students.

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Colorado did that too

Posted by: DB - at November 20, 2023 05:50 PM (geLO8)

74 38 But I think the missed point is that it’s an excuse and battlefield prep for the next 10 years (at least) of abyssal student testing and achievement.

not certain whether typo for "abysmal" or prediction that test scores will sink to the bottom of the marianas trench

Posted by: anachronda at November 20, 2023 05:50 PM (oY6Yp)

75 Randi Weingarten is a fkin Marxist

Posted by: Skip at November 20, 2023 05:51 PM (fwDg9)

76 Here in Calif, students were not in classrooms, but they were still providing FREE Breakfast and Lunch for students.

Is Meals On Wheels considered a course of studies now?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 20, 2023 05:52 PM (guGkK)

77 I would think kids got smarter during lockdowns since parents could monitor lessons and homework. If anything, learning should have accelerated. Maybe the students who didn't learn wouldn't learn under any circumstances.

Posted by: nckate at November 20, 2023 05:52 PM (SnxUt)

78 I'm reading on X that armed service members who have reached the end of their enlistment are being billed for gear that they were ordered to leaved in Afghanistan. Wow. No wonder enlistment is suffering.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 20, 2023 05:53 PM (MeG8a)

79
Anyplace that has those stupid, sanctimonious "Heroes work here" signs needs a liberal application of snake and nape.

Plus, strafe the rubble on the way out.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 20, 2023 05:53 PM (n+4am)

80 The shutdown policies of Colorado's sodomite governor killed a lot of small businesses too

SO many commercial properties standing empty now

Posted by: DB - at November 20, 2023 05:53 PM (geLO8)

81
Oh, in 2030 the reports are that Johnny can’t count his fingers at age 18? Totally Covid, yo.
Posted by: Elric Blade

CC: 'Cause COVID!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2023 05:54 PM (xG4kz)

82 > would think kids got smarter during lockdowns since parents could monitor lessons and homework.
_____________

Most "parents" did not do shit.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at November 20, 2023 05:54 PM (Q4IgG)

83 The shutdown policies of Colorado's sodomite governor killed a lot of small businesses too

SO many commercial properties standing empty now
Posted by: DB - at November 20, 2023 05:53 PM (geLO

Periodically, the wildfires must clear the weaker growth, thus allowing the strongest trees to flourish.

*hic*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 20, 2023 05:54 PM (guGkK)

84 A headline like that from NYT means Randi will soon be yelling "we need more money" . And the drooling imbeciles from the uniparty will say "ok"

Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 20, 2023 05:55 PM (t8QF6)

85 The best answer to all of this is school vouchers, but you have never seen so much animus on an issue as that one from Democrats.

They know the only way they get away with all of this is to give people zero options.

Posted by: Blago at November 20, 2023 05:55 PM (ceeE2)

86
I'm reading on X that armed service members who have reached the end of their enlistment are being billed for gear that they were ordered to leaved in Afghanistan. Wow. No wonder enlistment is suffering.
Posted by: gourmand du jour

Cue Tennessee Ernie Ford:
"I owe my soul to the company store."

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2023 05:56 PM (xG4kz)

87 "Just one more hefty raise and we'll be sufficiently motivated to teach our retarded students how to read and write!"

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 20, 2023 05:56 PM (guGkK)

88 "The National Council of Teachers of English (NCTE)"
"The conference, dubbed "Conexiones 2023,"

See that's how you know you have a problem: when your Council of English teacher can't be bothered to use English for the title of their conference about teaching English.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 20, 2023 05:56 PM (ou9hh)

89 To this day, there has not been a single documented case of a child who did not have severe comorbidities already dying of covid or even "with" covid.

Once people noticed that contrary to what the FNM was saying kids were NOT dying from COVID, the government/media became desperate to find one.

And sure enough they excitedly delivered the news that some...12?...year old boy had died from COVID...and a black child because COVID is rayciss! And they swore up and down there were no comorbidities...he just up and died from COVID.

Then they showed a picture and the kid was at least 300 lbs.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2023 05:57 PM (XqcwY)

90 The shutdown policies of Colorado's sodomite governor killed a lot of small businesses too

SO many commercial properties standing empty now
Posted by: DB
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*?*

I assumed that the murdered restaurant spaces would be replaced with hemp shops.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 20, 2023 05:57 PM (XeU6L)

91 Charging troops is outrageous

Posted by: Skip at November 20, 2023 05:57 PM (fwDg9)

92 Government Skools are the biggest setback in history of American Education.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 20, 2023 05:57 PM (R/m4+)

93 Dumbing down the population then recruiting these same people into the armed services seems to be the goal.

I wonder why...

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at November 20, 2023 05:57 PM (z5vMw)

94 Randi will soon be yelling "we need more money" . And the drooling imbeciles from the uniparty will say "ok"

Posted by: Smell the Glove at November 20, 2023 05:55 PM (t8QF6)

It is stunning how well the propaganda from the teaching industry has convinced America that teachers actually work hard and aren't just drones regurgitating prepackaged lessons.

The only positive to come out of Covid might be that some parents will see the truth, and that seems to be happening.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 20, 2023 05:57 PM (3Gtis)

95 Fking government arms the Taliban and charges our Troops?
I would tell them to shove ot up their ass

Posted by: Skip at November 20, 2023 05:58 PM (fwDg9)

96 I assumed that the murdered restaurant spaces would be replaced with hemp shops.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 20, 2023 05:57 PM (XeU6L)

Heh. Not for long, man.

Posted by: Your Tax-Free Black Market Dope Distributor at November 20, 2023 05:58 PM (guGkK)

97 Let me guess the punchline to the NYT story: "And it's all Donald Trump's Fault!"

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 20, 2023 05:58 PM (No2m8)

98 Increasing spending on education has reduced education achievement.

So...time to try cutting spending. In real dollars.

Posted by: 18-1 at November 20, 2023 05:59 PM (XqcwY)

99 Cue Tennessee Ernie Ford:
"I owe my soul to the company store."
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2023 05:56 PM (xG4kz)

Weird. Had that song running through my head today. Funny thing is I had a good day at work, on Monday, even.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Disgustipated at November 20, 2023 05:59 PM (T/Lqj)

100 And this, also: There are over 60 birth countries and 70 home languages represented by the students of Upper Darby School District (Pennsylvania).

Thank the politicians. The sanctuary cities, like Philadelphia, take the illegals; those on humanitarian probation, etc. through non-profits and then shuttle them to other counties, smaller cities. (Where have the Afghanis & Ukrainians, for example, been placed? Makes it tough on towns & teachers, too.)

The New York City treatment. Just never for Delaware.

Posted by: L - Can't make 'em love you more or hate you less at November 20, 2023 05:59 PM (GshMh)

101 I'm currently in the process of organizing a conference for education professionals in higher ed (professors and instructional designers, mostly).

Naturally, a fair portion of the submissions to present have a left-wing bias, with plenty of "social justice" sessions.

Sadly, I do not quite have enough latitude to automatically exclude those.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 20, 2023 05:59 PM (BpYfr)

102

I got long-covid prostatitis!

Well, actually, long-cock prostatitis...

Posted by: Don Lemonparty at November 20, 2023 06:00 PM (/BeiT)

103 Everything's going to shit, just embrace the horror, try to make it work for you in some way

Posted by: DB - at November 20, 2023 06:01 PM (geLO8)

104 Increasing spending on education has reduced education achievement.

That's true. They're mostly in it for the money and bennies. Couldn't give a rat's rear-end about the precious chirrrrun.

Cut "educators" down to starvation wages. Then we'll see who are committed to the kids, and who aren't.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 20, 2023 06:01 PM (guGkK)

105 Then they showed a picture and the kid was at least 300 lbs.

Which raises another point: today's kids aren't nearly as scrumptious as yesteryear's, but teachers still show up to groom them every day. Except Saturdays, Sundays, holidays, in-service days, three months during the summer. But aside from that, they're trying to trans and sex all the chilruns every day, even though they're increasingly sloppy.

Posted by: Edukators at November 20, 2023 06:01 PM (pjs7m)

106 "Everything's going to shit, just embrace the horror, try to make it work for you in some way
Posted by: DB"

That's what she said!

Posted by: Nikki Haley's Hoo Haw at November 20, 2023 06:02 PM (vFG9F)

107 Sadly, I do not quite have enough latitude to automatically exclude those.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at November 20, 2023 05:59 PM (BpYfr)
-----

Have you considered belt fed weapons?

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at November 20, 2023 06:02 PM (z5vMw)

108 All planned by Deep State and Marxists

Posted by: Skip at November 20, 2023 06:02 PM (fwDg9)

109 "There's one that didn't come off right away and he grabs it again, tears it off the board, shouts Gone, no matter how much they resist!"

I will admit that other people's politicians and governmental proceedings make much better Pay-Per-view than ours do.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at November 20, 2023 06:02 PM (ou9hh)

110 Sure... BUT: the upshot is that people now openly discuss The Unthinkable: not going to college.

I had one of the only arguments I had ever had with my mom about that. I got told by my teachers and counselors (piss be upon them) that I had to waste my time and money on college. Just HAD to.

I always figured that would eventually pass, with so, so, so much failure. But COVID seems to have been the tipping point. People are now willing to openly question the value of the Communist seminaries.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 20, 2023 06:03 PM (0FoWg)

111 One of the biggest myths out there is the poor struggling teacher barely making ends meet.
If you adjust of all the vacay, and extremely generous benefits the average teacher makes about $60/hr.

Posted by: Montec at November 20, 2023 06:03 PM (p1PPl)

112
SO many commercial properties standing empty now

Periodically, the wildfires must clear the weaker growth, thus allowing the strongest trees to flourish.

There might be growth in the spring.

Posted by: Chumpy Gardner at November 20, 2023 06:03 PM (63Dwl)

113 Cut "educators" down to starvation wages. Then we'll see who are committed to the kids, and who aren't.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at November 20, 2023 06:01 PM (guGkK)

Go ahead. Try it.

Posted by: NEA Union goons who have every politician in their pocket at November 20, 2023 06:04 PM (iODuv)

114 I've been entertained watching a few YouTube segments, all of them "reaction" type, in which the YouTuber shows a segment of someone else's tape, and stops the tape periodically to come in with commentary. This YouTuber is a black college-aged guy, his subject is some kind of race-awareness course being delivered at Penn State by a white prof in front of a theater-sized class of kids, likely freshman.

The instructor is a master of tact, delivering his material with smiles and unassailable facts, and the kids are largely stupefied. He is deconstructing and demolishing every element of CRT and BLM, and they cannot object. No one stands and screams. This is a for-credit class.

He uses them, the kids, chosen at complete random and brought up to sit on tables or seats up on the stage, while he shows them, for example, the breakdown of crime by race in America, and the breakdown of who gets killed by cops, by race, and how many, and for what reason. Armed? Armed with what? He asks the ones chosen, and he asks by hands raised. They have no clue. They are all products of Instagram, the fucking media, and of course TikTok.

The black kids brought forward are incurably racist.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at November 20, 2023 06:04 PM (4ZE6o)

115 My class had 1 teacher and 30 kids, no doubt learned more than these 25 kids, 1 teacher and 3 assistants

Posted by: Skip at November 20, 2023 06:05 PM (fwDg9)

116 I would think kids got smarter during lockdowns since parents could monitor lessons and homework. If anything, learning should have accelerated. Maybe the students who didn't learn wouldn't learn under any circumstances.
Posted by: nckate at November 20, 2023 05:52 PM (SnxUt)

My ex and her kids' dad were homeschooling their kids. Very smart kids. I now know, it's quite clear, their mom wasn't doing jack to help them learn, and apparently their dad was being forced to do most of the effort, even though he had a job and she didn't.

My understanding is, they're attending school full time now, and doing much better.

Every situation is different, but the common denominator is the commitment of the parents. Some of whom don't have enough time to school their kids, and some who do. But it still comes down to what they're willing to put into it.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2023 06:05 PM (dGCAG)

117 The closures exposed how far off the track education had veered.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 20, 2023 06:05 PM (Iahxz)

118 It is stunning how well the propaganda from the teaching industry has convinced America that teachers actually work hard and aren't just drones regurgitating prepackaged lessons.

--

I don't doubt it when the teachers I know say they work hard and put in lots of hours.

But unfortunately for their case, knowing the people that I grew up with that have gone into teaching, I suspect their regurgitation of prepackaged lessons also includes a lot of busywork for the teachers who are unwilling or unable to see what actually motivates students to learn.

Posted by: Joe, living dangerously at November 20, 2023 06:05 PM (nf3W5)

119 3
'Hey, you want your Palestine you're gonna have to pay for it like everyone else, bub.'

I don't know whether you meant it as a joke but as a matter of history, you DO have to pay for land, usually in blood. I can't think of any exceptions.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 20, 2023 06:05 PM (roH4R)

120 >>SO many commercial properties standing empty now

The impending CRE Crash is going to be brutal.

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2023 06:05 PM (oaDrA)

121 "We...stand for Palestinian's [sic] right to..."

Woke English teachers can't even get spelling/punctuation right anymore... that use to be the one thing they were good for...

Posted by: DavidW at November 20, 2023 06:06 PM (2SHft)

122 >>I can't think of any exceptions.

Hi.

Posted by: Louisiana Purchase at November 20, 2023 06:06 PM (oaDrA)

123 I may be an adult that can't add fractions, but I know which of my students is the racist ones.

Honkies and chinks.

We need more money.

Posted by: Mx. Jenkins, 5th grade teachxer, PS-29 at November 20, 2023 06:07 PM (OBuuS)

124 ^
*used to be

Posted by: DavidW at November 20, 2023 06:07 PM (2SHft)

125 After being out-voted (again) on a new measure to fund the Sheriff's dept. through a property tax increase, I had a closer look at the fund allocation. Over 50% goes to the school district - in a county with a preponderance of retirees.

They could have shaved 10% off the school district budget to fund the Sheriff, but the teacher's union would have screamed bloody, freakin' murder. Instead, the county has delved even deeper into my pocket.

Posted by: Halfhand at November 20, 2023 06:07 PM (N0Aec)

126 "There will be virus casualties..."

Did Joe's Winter of Severe Illness and Death ever end? I can't find any news in the Mainsteam Media stating it ever ended. We must all be dead.

Posted by: Gref at November 20, 2023 06:08 PM (5fDan)

127
The ELA acronym in that statement from the National Council of Teachers of English (NCTE) means what?

"English Language Arts" is my guess.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2023 06:08 PM (xG4kz)

128 "9 Honestly, I should have thought that getting children out of schools for three years would have made them a little smarter and more well adjusted.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 20, 2023 05:35 PM (9UlRk) "

it probably did, but only in jurisdictions at an adequate distance from blue areas.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying for decades at November 20, 2023 06:08 PM (hXr4C)

129 FNC doing a nice job with their holiday tree lighting thing. A rabbi and an archbishop gave terrific short addresses.

Gotta wonder what kind of armed security is needed this holiday season for the FoxNews and Rockefeller Center trees, and wherever they are erected in NYC.

There are many hamassholes out there that wanna really really wanna hit them with molotov cocktails or even RPGs.
Posted by: Mr Gaga at November 20, 2023 05:44 PM (4ZE6o)
******
I was thinking the same thing, especially with the Star of David that shines on the side of their building.

Posted by: redridinghood at November 20, 2023 06:08 PM (NpAcC)

130 I don't doubt it when the teachers I know say they work hard and put in lots of hours.

------

You should.

The kindergarten teachers are the hardest working ones in your district. They teach a few words and numbers to the rugrats. And they even have to lift a child-sized weight, here and there, when they fall and scrape their knees.

More by a long sight than the rest do.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 20, 2023 06:10 PM (0FoWg)

131 Roughly $12,000 of my yearly property taxes at my old home was earmarked for the school district. I hadn't had a kid in school for almost 10 years.

Chased me out they did. FU.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 20, 2023 06:10 PM (x7plP)

132 122
'Posted by: Louisiana Purchase'

OK. You got me there. But had France not sold it we would have taken it away from them by force.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at November 20, 2023 06:10 PM (roH4R)

133
Did Joe's Winter of Severe Illness and Death ever end? I can't find any news in the Mainsteam Media stating it ever ended. We must all be dead.
Posted by: Gref

You do recognize that Wreckovery Summer is nearing the end of its third Five Year Plan, do you not?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2023 06:10 PM (xG4kz)

134 That's what she said!

Posted by: Nikki Haley's Hoo Haw
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So, you play for the home team.
Are you the pitcher or the catcher?

Posted by: Braenyard at November 20, 2023 06:11 PM (5aQ9M)

135 >. I don't doubt it when the teachers I know say they work hard and put in lots of hours.

Surely you jest.

The laziest and most incompetent of all those employed in America are Teachers.

Posted by: garrett at November 20, 2023 06:11 PM (oaDrA)

136 The dumbest people I went to high school and college with became teachers.

Posted by: nckate at November 20, 2023 06:12 PM (SnxUt)

137 Some of those kids are really heavy.

Posted by: A kindergarden teecher at November 20, 2023 06:12 PM (vFG9F)

138 **. And they have caught a fish in 15 states so far.**

That's one unlucky fish.

Posted by: The guy that moves pianos for a living at November 20, 2023 06:12 PM (oamJ4)

139
We eagerly await an explanation from our esteemed Doctor of Letters, Shapes and Colors.

Bring it, "Doctor" Jill!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2023 06:13 PM (xG4kz)

140 132 122
'Posted by: Louisiana Purchase'

OK. You got me there. But had France not sold it we would have taken it away from them by force.

Posted by: Dr. Claw
-----

That's not who we are.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 20, 2023 06:13 PM (5aQ9M)

141 We, the Committee Against Racism and Bias in the Teaching of English, stand for Palestinian's right to self-determination and justice.[i\/i]
===

Apostrophe nazis to the white courtesy phone, please.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 20, 2023 06:13 PM (RIvkX)

142

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 20, 2023 06:13 PM (RIvkX)

143 "Chased me out they did."

Wow, here in CA we get exempted from all that because we are seniors. That's a Prop 13 thing.
My property taxes are about $4k a year.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 20, 2023 06:14 PM (MeG8a)

144 Roughly $12,000 of my yearly property taxes at my old home was earmarked for the school district. I hadn't had a kid in school for almost 10 years.

Chased me out they did. FU.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 20, 2023 06:10 PM (x7plP)

And, more than likely, they couldn't care less. Because the new people moving in probably make more money, and those taxes are lower than what they were paying at their old location.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy. at November 20, 2023 06:14 PM (iODuv)

145 In Oregon (which shut down the schools longer than any state other than California), the teachers unions were quite upfront that the main purpose of the shutdowns was to protect the teachers, not the students.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 20, 2023 05:33 PM (YAtuc)
_________________________

That's ok...Oregon solved the problem:

Standardized tests will still be issued; however, the Board voted to remove the standardized test as a factor in determining whether students receive their diplomas. Also, students who fail to demonstrate proficiency in the essential skills will not be required to make up for it in their senior year.

Posted by: Orson at November 20, 2023 06:14 PM (dIske)

146 "That's not who we are.
Posted by: Braenyard"

The hell you say!

Posted by: Andrew Jackson at November 20, 2023 06:14 PM (vFG9F)

147 Thank the Cultural Marxist Seminaries wanting a vacation
Posted by: Skip at November 20, 2023 05:35 PM (fwDg9)
===

I've always said teachers need more vacation days.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 20, 2023 06:15 PM (RIvkX)

148 In the "oppressor versus oppressed" paradigm, isn't it the globalists at WEF that are the obvious oppressors?

Their whole plan is for they themselves to be The Great Controllers ... which is synonymous with Oppressors. They will exert their (subversive/manipulative) power to force the little people into compliance.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 20, 2023 06:15 PM (Cus5s)

149 Our oldest grandson is a mess. He is a junior in high school, and is now in a jew-majority high dollar school district in Pennsylvania, his mom and dad having yanked themselves out of in-city Denver after street-crime-with-guns and in-person carjackings made them wake up and say, fuck this we're outta here.

He has failed to handle the move. Locked into Instagram, he lives a virtual life with his Denver buddies, and has not made friend one in PA. He is a year from doing applications for college.

I am saying first of all, get your head out of your ass, and secondly, unless you are going to Hillsdale, don't go to college. He loves fishing. Has every kind of tackle, goes whenever and wherever to fish for whatever.

I'd like to convince him to get a subsistence job, anything that gets him near the water, salt or fresh, where he can explore the biz of fishing. He should aspire to be a guide, a charter captain, an equipment salesman, a boat salesman, anything in the biz. But college? Fuck that shit. It is a misery if you are a white guy and not focused on STEM, and STEM requires math and science aptitudes he doesn't have.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at November 20, 2023 06:16 PM (4ZE6o)

150 'Posted by: Louisiana Purchase'

OK. You got me there. But had France not sold it we would have taken it away from them by force.
Posted by: Dr. Claw
_____________

I think they were more worried about the British taking it by force.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at November 20, 2023 06:16 PM (Dm8we)

151
136 The dumbest people I went to high school and college with became teachers.
Posted by: nckate at November 20, 2023 06:12 PM (SnxUt)

#MeToo

Posted by: Montec at November 20, 2023 06:16 PM (p1PPl)

152 "It also set student progress in math and reading back by two decades and widened the achievement gap that separates poor and wealthy children."

This is the nut graph for them. The ever-lovin' Gap. Always The Gap. And as always, the implication of some socialist solution that will make The Gap disappear. No acknowledgment of human nature, no appreciation for the "general welfare," and most of all curiosity whatsoever about possible reverse causation.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at November 20, 2023 06:17 PM (wzAuc)

153 Pooky just pointed out that the troops being charged for equipment probably stems from no form for being verbally commanded to leave equipment in a war zone. Given military bureaucracy, you'd think there'd be one, but with the way things are falling apart....

Posted by: pookysgirl, with a higher Perception score than the media would like at November 20, 2023 06:18 PM (dtlDP)

154 Breaking News: Palestinian Authority warns that
Gaza Hospitals are running dangerously low on
ammunition.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 20, 2023 06:18 PM (5aQ9M)

155
But college? Fuck that shit.

Colleges are the left's breeder reactors.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2023 06:18 PM (xG4kz)

156 Teachers were different when I was in high school. The women teachers were mostly matronly and stern. Most of men were veterans, Vietnam, Korea, WWII. Mr. M was a Marine, wounded at Guadalcanal.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Disgustipated at November 20, 2023 06:19 PM (T/Lqj)

157 Breaking News: Palestinian Authority warns that
Gaza Hospitals are running dangerously low on
ammunition.
Posted by: Braenyard at November 20, 2023 06:18 PM (5aQ9M)

Are there no orphanages nearby? No mosques?

Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2023 06:20 PM (dGCAG)

158 151
136 The dumbest people I went to high school and college with became teachers.
Posted by: nckate at November 20, 2023 06:12 PM (SnxUt)

#MeToo
Posted by: Montec at November 20, 2023 06:16 PM (p1PPl)

____________________________

The dumbest kid I went to school with (and I'm talking, eating boogers dumb)...is currently an air traffic controller somewhere down in Texas. I kid you not.

Posted by: Orson at November 20, 2023 06:20 PM (dIske)

159 MASKS WORK!!!1!

at causing apraxia of speech in children

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 20, 2023 06:20 PM (llON8)

160 We, the Committee Against Racism and Bias in the Teaching of English, stand for Palestinian's right to self-determination and justice.[i\/i]

Palestinian self-determination to that Committee = Palestinians determining that all Jews must be mercilessly killed.

Palestinian justice to that Committee = Palestinians judging that all Jews must be mercilessly killed.

Posted by: Gref at November 20, 2023 06:21 PM (5fDan)

161 good job, fcking scumbag "educators"

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 20, 2023 06:21 PM (llON8)

162 My friend sends his kid to a private Catholic HS. I donated at one of their fundraisers so they started sending me their school magazine. Their salaries and benefits expense is listed at 21.9 million.

Holy crap. ( pun intended)

Posted by: Drive by at November 20, 2023 06:22 PM (MNhXM)

163 156 Teachers were different when I was in high school. The women teachers were mostly matronly and stern. Most of men were veterans, Vietnam, Korea, WWII. Mr. M was a Marine, wounded at Guadalcanal.

Posted by: Pug Mahon
----

My history teacher was in the navy.
He had a steel plate in his head.
His pronouns were Yes Sir.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 20, 2023 06:22 PM (5aQ9M)

164 @154, LOL!

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying for decades at November 20, 2023 06:22 PM (hXr4C)

165 The dumbest kid I went to school with (and I'm talking, eating boogers dumb)...is currently an air traffic controller somewhere down in Texas. I kid you not.
Posted by: Orson at November 20, 2023 06:20 PM (dIsk

Maybe an idiot savant.

Posted by: Drive by at November 20, 2023 06:23 PM (MNhXM)

166 156 >>>Teachers were different when I was in high school. The women teachers were mostly matronly and stern. Most of men were veterans, Vietnam, Korea, WWII. Mr. M was a Marine, wounded at Guadalcanal.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Disgustipated at November 20, 2023 06:19 PM (T/Lqj)

---

My algebra teacher was a B-29 navigator. He had difficulty with the overhead projector. That is all that remains of my algebra knowledge.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at November 20, 2023 06:24 PM (wzAuc)

167 I don't doubt it when the teachers I know say they work hard and put in lots of hours.

And there you have it, in a nutshell. He or she knows teachers. And that's really all it takes to form a worldview. Support teachers, because he or she knows a few.

The same goes for police. Or IRS agents. Or FBI. Or any other entity.

You'd like to think it all comes from a lifetime of studying true old school liberal arts - where we're free to express opinions and enter into a full-contact debate about various social and political concepts.

Nope. It all comes down to I'm sure the few people I know work hard and are justified in their demands because I know them and to like them and be liked by them.

That's human nature.

Posted by: And There You Have It at November 20, 2023 06:24 PM (QYUcu)

168 >>> 60 Silver Surfer in the rebooted FANTASTIC 4 movie is cast as a Woman.

Disney Can’t Help Themselves
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at November 20, 2023 05:46 PM (dKiJG)

What, they didn't gender-swap the big rock dude??

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at November 20, 2023 06:25 PM (llON8)

169

Star Trek child actor Wil Wheaton took to Facebook last week to explain that since "Covid is very much still A Thing, and so is the flu, the common cold, and other respiratory illnesses," he'll keep wearing his N-95 mask everywhere.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 20, 2023 06:26 PM (63Dwl)

170 Teachers were different when I was in high school. The women teachers were mostly matronly and stern. Most of men were veterans, Vietnam, Korea, WWII. Mr. M was a Marine, wounded at Guadalcanal.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Disgustipated at November 20, 2023 06:19 PM (T/Lqj)

We had one guy, a Vietnam vet, would end class a few minutes early some days, and when he did so, he'd seem to doze off.

Rumor was, if you dropped a textbook on the floor when he was dozing, he might go into his jungle stance. I never saw anyone try it, but they say it happened.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2023 06:28 PM (dGCAG)

171 Shut up, Wesley.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 20, 2023 06:28 PM (RIvkX)

172 The dumbest kid I went to school with (and I'm talking, eating boogers dumb)...is currently an air traffic controller somewhere down in Texas. I kid you not.
Posted by: Orson at November 20, 2023 06:20 PM (dIsk

Well, Texas.

Posted by: Gunny Sgt Hartman at November 20, 2023 06:28 PM (iODuv)

173 The principal of my High School was a survivor of the battle for Bataan and the subsequent march.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 20, 2023 06:28 PM (YRsIm)

174 in historic retrospect this whole decade will no doubt be distinguished by the number of things described as "X was the biggest setback in the history of Y"

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - these lying bastardi e stronzi have been lying for decades at November 20, 2023 06:28 PM (hXr4C)

175 ...and my U.S. History teacher told us how he fired a warning shot at an Italian kid who was making off with a box of food that fell off an Army supply truck. Hit him between the shoulders. Killed him dead. Told the story matter-of-factly. He had a flask in the supply closet.

Posted by: SloPitch Whiffer at November 20, 2023 06:28 PM (wzAuc)

176 Ummm...the biggest setback to education was allowing teachers to unionize.

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at November 20, 2023 06:28 PM (7j5j0)

177 pookysgirl the way they forced them to skedaddle there was no planning

Posted by: Skip at November 20, 2023 06:29 PM (fwDg9)

178 The principal of my High School was a survivor of the battle for Bataan and the subsequent march.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 20, 2023 06:28 PM (YRsIm)

You know, some of these guys, when they'd make you line up and go somewhere else in the building, I think maybe they were trying to do a recreation of the event.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 20, 2023 06:30 PM (dGCAG)

179 There was a kid in my AP bio the teacher mocked for being stoned all the time. He's now a well known urology surgeon in NY.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 20, 2023 06:30 PM (RIvkX)

180 Ummm...the biggest setback to education was allowing teachers to unionize.

If it's a job so important that the government has to do it ? Then yeah, striking isn't an option.

On the other side of the coin - I wouldn't do a damn thing just because Reagan declares it in the national interest. See this government declare what I do, in the energy sector, as mandatory. Then watch as I don't do it, even staring at the barrel of a gun.

Posted by: And There You Have It at November 20, 2023 06:30 PM (QYUcu)

181 The rise of the administrative bloat hasn't helped schools or students.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 20, 2023 06:32 PM (0W9qL)

182 One I know, close to retirement, teaching in middle-income suburban district, her specialty remedial math, is always complaining, more so in the last few years.

She says the lack of discipline in the schools and the recent requirements for DEI reeducation in the teacher ranks has made so many quit, that they are chronically short, and she constantly has to do fill-ins for classes other than her remedial math course. She feels worn out and tired out.

This, in a 9 to 3 job with summers off, generous pay, benefits for she and her husband for life (the job is in NY), and nice paid breaks at holiday time and spring break time.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at November 20, 2023 06:32 PM (4ZE6o)

183 My aunt was a teacher. She is now in her eighties. I take her out to lunch every so often and she is and has always been very conservative. The last time I took her out I started by conversation by jokingly asking her for her pronouns.

She laughed, then said (totally seriously)...were I teaching today, I'd likely be in jails for offending those poor little dears, continuously, until they figured out that it's the third party that assigns pronouns to the first party, and that no single individual gets to be plural unless they have two heads and four arms.

Posted by: Orson at November 20, 2023 06:33 PM (dIske)

184 Just saw a report on Twitter: apparently Israel has just delivered a semi-formal reply to the Biden Admin's demand for a ceasefire. "Massive bombardment in Gaza commencing now. Multiple terror targets hit."

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 20, 2023 06:33 PM (No2m8)

185 Posted by: Mr Gaga at November 20, 2023 06:16 PM (4ZE6o)

I feel your pain. I have 5 grandkids in their late teens, early 20's.

The granddaughter is studying to be a physical therapist.

She's a mess too. I hope she makes it through. Straight A student through high school. Still struggling because their social life was so destroyed. Her older brother hasn't picked a major. Games in his dorm all day as far as I know. *Sigh*

Next grandson is cooking at a nursing home. Doesn't want to be a cook. Doesn't know what he wants to do. But at least he has a job, I guess. His brother is studying for his Mechanic's certifications and works at an automotive dealership that pays for his certifications. Loves life and works hard.

And the I have a grandson who is an apprentice electrician. Loves the company he works for, has lots of friends at work and hopes to soon have enough hours in to take his journey and test.

The two younger ones who aren't on the college track and didn't have their whole life wrapped up in schooling that was destroyed by the COVID debacle are doing great. I hope the others will rebound.

I pray hard every day for all our young people.

Posted by: Just Lily at November 20, 2023 06:34 PM (RLLZj)

186
My sixth grade reacher was a B-24 Liberator pilot in the 8th Army Air Force. He was shot down over Europe and spent thirteen months in German POW camps.

Jack and his crew made five successful bombing raids over Berlin, two over Fredrichshaven, one over Frankfort, and one over Munster, Germany. On April 8, 1944, in a raid over Brunswick, Germany, his plane was shot down. The co-pilot was killed in his seat and two other crew members were also killed. The remaining seven crew members parachuted out and, upon landing, were immediately surrounded by Germans. Jack was interrogated and eventually ended up at Stalag Luft I at Barth, Germany. He was a prisoner of war for 13 months. Liberation by the Russians occurred on May 1, 1945.

He was the first of a string of male teachers -- the remaining ones taught math or science -- who instilled in me a love for learning those subjects.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2023 06:34 PM (xG4kz)

187 A minute ago I saw a clip of SecDef Lloyd Austin declariong we must have a rules-based Internation Order, to keep dictators from taking power anywhere in the world.

After hearing that over and over from the Junta, for the fist time I wondered, Who wrote these Holy International Rules? Has our Congress approved them? Has the legislature or populace of any country whose leaders love the Holy Rules ever voted for them?

It's another part of the rigged Globalist Game. They make the rules, can change the rules whenever they want, and decide which countries are in violation of the Holy International Rules and shall be punished militarily and/or economically. Nice work if you can get it.

Posted by: Gref at November 20, 2023 06:35 PM (5fDan)

188 This, in a 9 to 3 job with summers off, generous pay, benefits for she and her husband for life (the job is in NY), and nice paid breaks at holiday time and spring break time.

As I've tried to explain to a lifelong Union man, my father, a million times. No matter how much or how little you make, or how good or bad you are at it, there's always somebody who thinks you owe him your personal labor at a lesser rate. And somebody who likes to think they can do better for less, but conveniently hasn't stepped into the ring to give it a go.

Posted by: And There You Have It at November 20, 2023 06:35 PM (QYUcu)

189 I don't doubt it when the teachers I know say they work hard and put in lots of hours.
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In my experience, anyone who says they work hard and put in lots of hours is not working hard and putting in lots of hours. The people who work hard and put in lots of hours generally don't talk about it.

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at November 20, 2023 06:36 PM (Dm8we)

190 pookysgirl the way they forced them to skedaddle there was no planning

Posted by: Skip at November 20, 2023 06:29 PM (fwDg9)

And no time to fill out paperwork in triplicate when you're cramming as many people as you can onto a C-17.

Posted by: pookysgirl has filled out a lot of military paperwork at November 20, 2023 06:36 PM (dtlDP)

191
week to explain that since "Covid is very much still A Thing, and so is the flu, the common cold, and other respiratory illnesses," he'll keep wearing his N-95 mask everywhere.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr.

He should stuff several N-95 masks down his trachea, just to be sure that they won't get dislodged.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at November 20, 2023 06:39 PM (xG4kz)

192 Teachers work hard the first year or two because they have to create lesson plans, tests, assignments, etc.

Then it’s all on auto pilot. The lessons don’t change year to year. Neither do the tests, assignments, etc. All the “hard work” is done.

Posted by: Montec at November 20, 2023 06:39 PM (p1PPl)

193 In my experience, anyone who says they work hard and put in lots of hours is not working hard and putting in lots of hours. The people who work hard and put in lots of hours generally don't talk about it.
Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at November 20, 2023 06:36 PM (Dm8we)

Yep. Middle school librarian and technology support person here.

I'd ask my hubby what he thinks but he won't be home for an hour and a half.

I've been home for an hour. I'm making dinner, but still.

Posted by: Just Lily at November 20, 2023 06:40 PM (RLLZj)

194 >>> "Massive bombardment in Gaza commencing now. Multiple terror targets hit."

Posted by: Tom Servo
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That Gaza place must be nothing but terrorists.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 20, 2023 06:40 PM (5aQ9M)

195 Never had a teacher that had a teacher's assistant.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 20, 2023 06:41 PM (0W9qL)

196 I work a huge number of hours. It's like I live at work. Sometimes I even get paid for it.

Posted by: fd at November 20, 2023 06:41 PM (vFG9F)

197 So everything we all have said for the last 6-7 years and were called cooks and conspiracy nuts for...it all turns out to be true.

Now about that 2020 election

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 20, 2023 06:42 PM (PQ4m2)

198 Next grandson is cooking at a nursing home. Doesn't want to be a cook. Doesn't know what he wants to do. But at least he has a job, I guess

***

Just Lily, a tiring job and undervalued but one of true service, imo. Good for him.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 20, 2023 06:42 PM (DKF3A)

199 Ben Had! I'm never to busy for you. Call me sometime.

Posted by: fd at November 20, 2023 06:43 PM (vFG9F)

200 So everything we all have said for the last 6-7 years and were called cooks and conspiracy nuts for...it all turns out to be true.

Getting called a cook is no insult. Especially if you can get the medium rare / medium / medium well thing right. That's a skill.

Posted by: And There You Have It at November 20, 2023 06:43 PM (QYUcu)

201 fd, Amen. 24/7/365. Twenty hour days were normal for a long time.

Posted by: Ben Had at November 20, 2023 06:44 PM (0W9qL)

202 As has been demonstrated, after the creation of the federal department of education in the 70's and the concomitant skyrocketing of teachers salaries and benefits, test scores for math, reading and science have remained absolutely flat.

And now they aren't even educating kids at all.

The education cartel needs to be busted up.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at November 20, 2023 06:44 PM (XV/Pl)

203 fd, Amen. 24/7/365. Twenty hour days were normal for a long time.

Meh, I came into the workforce with certain folks bitching that we all didn't work a half day on Saturdays. Yet, they didn't do anything the entire time they were at work. They attended a lot - typically ten hours a day if you counted their lunches and smoke breaks. But they never did much.

As they always liked to say though, they "put in their time". The original generation of the participation trophy. Congrats. You were here longer than me and accomplished jack shit. Well done.

Posted by: And There You Have It at November 20, 2023 06:46 PM (QYUcu)

204 Just Lily, a tiring job and undervalued but one of true service, imo. Good for him.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at November 20, 2023 06:42 PM (DKF3A)

Yes. It is. He gets a lot of job satisfaction from it and loves his residents. Which I think makes it harder to move on too. He feels needed.

But ultimately he would like to do something else.

But he is a fine young man doing constructive work while he decides.

Posted by: Just Lily at November 20, 2023 06:46 PM (RLLZj)

205 It's all good. It also ensures certain others aren't cutting into the elites' kids' education or jobs, ever.

Posted by: L - Can't make 'em love you more or hate you less at November 20, 2023 06:46 PM (GshMh)

206 Here's the link to the serviceman mustering out being billed for equipment he was ordered to leave in Afghanistan.

https://tinyurl.com/5bzw5pak

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 20, 2023 06:47 PM (MeG8a)

207 fd, I have a technical issue with my landline and I have no cell service at that spot in my house. I'm probably going to have to call you on the cell phone, have you call me on the landline ( incoming works outgoing doesn't)

Posted by: Ben Had at November 20, 2023 06:49 PM (0W9qL)

208 This went under the radar mostly. On Friday Biden essentially banned gas furnaces. Well like most things they do, they didn’t explicitly band it. But they announced a ton of money for subsidies to buy electric heat pumps, effectively making gas furnaces uncompetitive in the marketplace.

But remember it was an all. Conspiracy theory 6 months ago.

Posted by: Montec at November 20, 2023 06:50 PM (p1PPl)

209 Here's the link to the serviceman mustering out being billed for equipment he was ordered to leave in Afghanistan.

All very typical in the 90s as well. You signed for gear, and even if gear got destroyed in the line of duty, certain NCOs in supply delighted in trying to dock you for it. Depended on a million circumstances, including your color and the color of the NCO.

Welcome to bureaucracy. The US Military is the largest bureaucracy on the planet. I'm honestly surprised the long line of supposed prior service guys and gals haven't chimed in. It's a common story.

Posted by: And There You Have It at November 20, 2023 06:50 PM (QYUcu)

210 You may get the heat pump at a discount but Forever Light Co. will take it all back.

Posted by: Braenyard at November 20, 2023 06:53 PM (5aQ9M)

211 Ok Ben Had. Whenever you're ready.

Posted by: fd at November 20, 2023 06:54 PM (vFG9F)

212 I believe it. There was a scene in the movie Glory where the Colonel horse whips a supply officer who was withholding shoes for his colored troops.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at November 20, 2023 06:55 PM (MeG8a)

213 When I got out after the Persian Excursion, the S4 guy told me I would have to turn in my leather flight jacket or pay for it. I told him he must be kidding, they were gonna reissue it? Rules is rules he said. I went to the SMaj and asked him if that was the case and I never heard another word about it. Incidentally, the SMaj signed my DD214 at my request. The guy had 36 years of AD.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at November 20, 2023 06:56 PM (YRsIm)

214 128 "9 Honestly, I should have thought that getting children out of schools for three years would have made them a little smarter and more well adjusted.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at November 20, 2023 05:35 PM (9UlRk) "

Only the fancy largely non-minority districts. They had lesson plans, tutoring setup in advance. The kids also kept schedules for words, music, etc.

I knew so many people who wanted their kids in school so they'd simply stop walking or laying around, playing games.

Posted by: L - Can't make 'em love you more or hate you less at November 20, 2023 07:01 PM (GshMh)

215 >>> Here's the link to the serviceman mustering out being billed for equipment he was ordered to leave in Afghanistan.

Should have done a 'report of survey' (or whatever thay call it) and documented the field loss and who ordered it as soon as they got back. i.e.: Formal Write off.

But that would be a lot of paper pushing so they just blew it off and screwed the grunts.

Wonder what the did to the guys who has to bug off fire-fights because they were getting their asses kicked and had to leave their shit behind?

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 20, 2023 07:01 PM (cOq4q)

216 Sports, not words.

Posted by: L - Can't make 'em love you more or hate you less at November 20, 2023 07:02 PM (GshMh)

217 Wonder what the did to the guys who has to bug off fire-fights because they were getting their asses kicked and had to leave their shit behind?

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at November 20, 2023 07:01 PM (cOq4q)

Granted, I haven't been in for over twenty-five years. But folks, I still know men that were in the 'Stans. The Military is not like what you saw on Band of Brothers. They still make you sign for all your chem suit shit (MOP gear), your load bearing equipment, and such. Hell, if you gash your uniform - you may or may not pay for one of those BDUs yourself.

The idea of the guy in supply just handing out free shit is an idea long dead. That's not how it works now, or has worked in decades.

Posted by: And There You Have It at November 20, 2023 07:27 PM (QYUcu)

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