Jim Jordan Announces Bid to Become Speaker

I guess he's okay, considering the other alternatives, which are few.

But can he even get the votes of the "moderates"?

Ohio Republican Rep. Jim Jordan said Wednesday that he is running for Speaker of the House just one day after Kevin McCarthy was ousted.
Jordan, the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, was asked by reporters if he is running for Speaker, as many GOP members have nominated him for the job, to which he said, "Yes."
McCarthy delivered a speech Tuesday night after being ousted as speaker, saying he will not be running for the position again.

Meanwhile, even Ed Morrissey is laughing at the Republican "moderates" who team up with Democrats in the (lol) "Problem Solver Caucus."

They expected their fellow Democrats in the (lol) "Problem Solver Caucus" to vote in favor of Kevin McCarthy -- to fulfill their side of the contract, to vote in favor of a "moderate" Republican to defeat the machinations of the "extremist" Republicans.

Instead, all of the (lol) "Problem Solver Caucus" Democrats voted unamimously with the "extremist" Republicans and against the "moderate" McCarthy.

In other words, the "moderate" Republicans on the (lol) "Problem Solver Caucus" got used and humiliated and betrayed by their Democrat "partners" yet again.

House Republicans partnered with Democrats to form the "Problem Solvers Caucus" (PSC) in January 2017, as a counter to the supposedly extreme-MAGA agenda of Donald Trump. For the most part, the Problem Solvers offered nothing much but cheap virtue-signaling by its members over the last six-plus years. The conceit played well in the competitive districts its members represented, but the caucus has never produced any successful legislation. It exists to fluff itself and to vaguely scold everyone else on the benefits of bipartisanship and defense of institutions.
And Democrats kept scolding on that point, right up until the point that every last PSC Democrat voted to oust a sitting Speaker for partisan purposes. Suddenly, the Republicans in the caucus are shocked, shocked -- no, wait, wrong analogy -- are surprised to find out that the scorpion they've carried on their backs acts like a scorpion:

[Quoting Axios:]
GOP members in the group are furious at their Democratic colleagues who voted to remove McCarthy. The Republicans say he was punished for "doing the right thing" after advancing a stopgap funding bill on a bipartisan basis.
Frustrated members said that Democrats in the group, which is aimed at finding bipartisan solutions, sparked chaos for political gain despite many Republicans in the group having faced primaries for crossing the aisle and taking difficult votes.
A draft letter obtained by Axios took aim at Democrats for siding with "Gaetz and a single digit number of chaos agents in the Republican Conference."
"It is unfortunate, for America and the institution of Congress, that Democrats in PSC chose not to risk the smallest amount of political capital or show the minimal courage necessary to merely vote against the Motion to Vacate. Instead, they voted for the chaos and now hope to benefit politically from it," the draft memo said.

Under other circumstances, this would be hilarious. What exactly did these geniuses think would happen, especially after six years of posing without a single substantive accomplishment? The PSC was nothing more than a PR move by savvy Democrats intended to split the Republican caucus, paint the rest of the GOP as "extreme MAGA" by comparison, and if possible slow down or stop progress on the GOP's agenda. During the Biden era, the PSC did little or nothing to restrain the sharp left turn taken by Joe Biden.

There are "Republicans" who are and always have been Democrats, and it's about time we cast them out.

BTW, I'm not nearly as enthusiastic about Matt Gaetz's scheme as some commenters are. I think at some point the chaos agenda becomes extremely counterproductive.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 01:15 PM

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1 st!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 04, 2023 12:16 PM (t0OGg)

2 How are his sleeves?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 12:16 PM (LvTSG)

3 Meanwhile, even Ed Morrissey is laughing at the Republican "moderates" who team up with Democrats in the (lol) "Problem Solver Caucus."

They expected their fellow Democrats in the (lol) "Problem Solver Caucus" to vote in favor of Kevin McCarthy -- to fulfill their side of the contract, to vote in favor of a "moderate" Republican to defeat the machinations of the "extremist" Republicans.

Instead, all of the (lol) "Problem Solver Caucus" Democrats voted unamimously with the "extremist" Republicans and against the "moderate" McCarthy.

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Will this be the moment that Republican leaders realize that Democrats think of them as no more than tools?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 12:16 PM (LvTSG)

4 McCarthy delivered a speech Tuesday night after being ousted as speaker, saying he will not be running for the position again.
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I kinda wonder whether they'll just put him back in anyway. Does he have to consent to "run" or could it be just a "gee whiz, I said I wouldn't but my peers have spoken!"

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 04, 2023 12:17 PM (t0OGg)

5 What shall we talk about now?

Posted by: SH (Will Not Serve As Speaker) at October 04, 2023 12:17 PM (sX1BW)

6 4 McCarthy delivered a speech Tuesday night after being ousted as speaker, saying he will not be running for the position again.
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I kinda wonder whether they'll just put him back in anyway. Does he have to consent to "run" or could it be just a "gee whiz, I said I wouldn't but my peers have spoken!"
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 04, 2023 12:17 PM (t0OGg)

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I vote for Tecumseh.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 12:17 PM (LvTSG)

7 In other words, the "moderate" Republicans on the (lol) "Problem Solver Caucus" got used and humiliated and betrayed by their Democrat "partners" yet again.
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They don't go there for the hunting.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 04, 2023 12:17 PM (t0OGg)

8 In other words, the "moderate" Republicans on the (lol) "Problem Solver Caucus" got used and humiliated and betrayed by their Democrat "partners" yet again.
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This seems familiar somehow, like a little girl who always pulls away a football just before a little boy is about to kick it...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 04, 2023 12:17 PM (YIVH2)

9 How are his sleeves?

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New dress code.

Posted by: SH (Will Not Serve As Speaker) at October 04, 2023 12:18 PM (sX1BW)

10 >>>"Frustrated members said that Democrats in the group, which is aimed at finding bipartisan solutions"

Bipartisan solutions, you say.

L. O. L.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 04, 2023 12:18 PM (bhRsz)

11 Problem Maker Caucus.

Posted by: gp's Creme-Filled Ballot Drops at October 04, 2023 12:18 PM (MvF+J)

12 Kevin McCarthy is Charlie Brown to Democrats' Lucy.

Hey, Kevin, I got you a dollar!
https://youtu.be/isqYaFRQaLs&t=16s

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at October 04, 2023 12:18 PM (ynpvh)

13 I guess he's okay, considering the other alternatives, which are few.

But can he even get the votes of the "moderates"?

When we want one of ours, and they refuse, they're statesmanlike, moderate, and reasonable. When we finally get to nominate one of ours, and they refuse, they'll be statesmanlike, moderate, and reasonable.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2023 12:18 PM (I/Qkd)

14 What is needed now is a real carpet bagging grifter who knows how to get things done, line their pockets and bump off a few people here and there who disagree with them, quietly and discreetly.

I nominate Hillary Clinton For Speaker!

Posted by: Mitt Romney, GOP Stalwart And Carpet Bagger at October 04, 2023 12:18 PM (0lY6Y)

15 GOP members in the group are furious at their Democratic colleagues who voted to remove McCarthy. The Republicans say he was punished for "doing the right thing" after advancing a stopgap funding bill on a bipartisan basis.

Frustrated members said that Democrats in the group, which is aimed at finding bipartisan solutions, sparked chaos for political gain despite many Republicans in the group having faced primaries for crossing the aisle and taking difficult votes.
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It is clear that absolutely nobody in Washington reads or understands fables.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 04, 2023 12:18 PM (t0OGg)

16 Hey Mccarthy wanna go kick some field goals?

Posted by: Lucy van pelt at October 04, 2023 12:18 PM (eggM4)

17 The scowling interim clown in the bowtie yesterday looks as queer as a 3 dollar bill. This is our GOP.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 04, 2023 12:18 PM (l10hq)

18 Will this be the moment that Republican leaders realize that Democrats think of them as no more than tools?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 12:16 PM (LvTSG)
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"Useful idiots" is perhaps a more apt description...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 04, 2023 12:19 PM (YIVH2)

19 Amen - who was in the Problem Solver Caucus on the GOP side that is NOT in a blue state or a wildly blue area - we go after those folks and primary them HARD. There's no excuse for red state and red area Rs to be anything but hardcore conservatives in our party.

Posted by: Nova Local at October 04, 2023 12:19 PM (exHjb)

20 What is so bad about inviting Democrats to rule alongside you?

Posted by: TX Speaker Dade Phelan at October 04, 2023 12:19 PM (8sMut)

21 Under other circumstances, this would be hilarious. What exactly did these geniuses think would happen, especially after six years of posing without a single substantive accomplishment?
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Huh?

What is it about these current circumstances that makes this anything other than hilarious?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 04, 2023 12:19 PM (t0OGg)

22 Willowed, so I'm posting my old comment here. Seems apropos, somehow:

460 16 Luntz didn't do a focus group for McCarthy?
Posted by: mr tmz at October 04, 2023 11:05 AM (rJ48h)

And, like the opening segment in The Odd Couple, I fully expect that on October 14, Kevin McCarthy will be asked to remove himself from his place of residence.

That request will come from his 'wife', Frank Luntz.

No need to host him there anymore, now that he's no longer Speaker.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 04, 2023 12:17 PM (/iWhV)

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 04, 2023 12:19 PM (/iWhV)

23 Okay I'll do it. Hit me up

Posted by: SOMEASSHOLESTOLEMYPEN at October 04, 2023 12:19 PM (R/848)

24 2 How are his sleeves?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 12:16 PM (LvTSG)

#rolledup

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at October 04, 2023 12:19 PM (CCSxw)

25 8 In other words, the "moderate" Republicans on the (lol) "Problem Solver Caucus" got used and humiliated and betrayed by their Democrat "partners" yet again.
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This seems familiar somehow, like a little girl who always pulls away a football just before a little boy is about to kick it...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 04, 2023 12:17 PM (YIVH2)

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I think this betrayal is different from the other "betrayals" of the past.

This wasn't about policy, which Republican leadership never cared about especially when it comes to conservative policy, but about the leadership's secured position at the trough. It may have been second class, but that's what Republicans had agreed to.

And Democrats stole that from them by letting McCarthy get vacated.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 12:19 PM (LvTSG)

26 This seems familiar somehow, like a little girl who always pulls away a football just before a little boy is about to kick it...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 04, 2023 12:17 PM (YIVH2)

How dare you assume their genders!!!

Posted by: Dr. T at October 04, 2023 12:19 PM (bhRsz)

27 Hi Ace

Just read they kicked Steny Hoyer out of his office int he Capital and the kicked Pelosi out yesterday. Interesting....

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 04, 2023 12:19 PM (t/2Uw)

28 Will this be the moment that Republican leaders realize that Democrats think of them as no more than tools?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with

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No. They are eternal suckers. The arrogant are easily manipulated.

Posted by: 29Victor at October 04, 2023 12:19 PM (M+gBW)

29 There are "Republicans" who are and always have been Democrats, and it's about time we cast them out.
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One down, 213 to go.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 04, 2023 12:20 PM (t0OGg)

30 Funny how the Republican Establishment keeps trusting the Dems no matter how many times they betray them.

Almost as if they actually agree with the Democrats and just put up with some minor inconveniences from their allies.

But of course, that can't be true.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert, Formerly Virginian at October 04, 2023 12:20 PM (JMAcK)

31 10 >>>"Frustrated members said that Democrats in the group, which is aimed at finding bipartisan solutions"

Bipartisan solutions, you say.

L. O. L.
Posted by: Dr. T at October 04, 2023 12:18 PM (bhRsz)

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Like the Patriot Act!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 12:20 PM (LvTSG)

32 In other words, the "moderate" Republicans on the (lol) "Problem Solver Caucus" got used and humiliated and betrayed by their Democrat "partners" yet again.

Humiliation has to be part of the kink. It's the only explanation.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2023 12:20 PM (I/Qkd)

33 Will this be the moment that Republican leaders realize that Democrats think of them as no more than tools?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 12:16 PM (LvTSG)

Probably not. Why? Because these "leaders" are effing stupid and cowards. Cucks.

I guess we should enjoy the Kabuki Theatre on the Potomac, while it lasts.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at October 04, 2023 12:20 PM (+J/Au)

34 It is bad to win by too great a margin or to have a large governing majority. I always thought it was better in my country to be Labour-lite.

Posted by: PM Francis Pym at October 04, 2023 12:20 PM (8sMut)

35 "Problem Solver Caucus" is totally gay.

(lol) Problem Solver Caucus is slightly less gay.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 04, 2023 12:20 PM (ufFY8)

36 >>Jim Jordan Announces Bid to Become Speaker

Jim Jordan will get my vote if and only if he demonstrates he knows what a calendar is and he understands it's purpose and function.

Otherwise he can go f**k off and practice rolling up his sleeves and furrowing his brow in the quizzical manner that all of these chuckle heads have mastered.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 04, 2023 12:20 PM (rc3Z7)

37 27 Hi Ace

Just read they kicked Steny Hoyer out of his office int he Capital and the kicked Pelosi out yesterday. Interesting....
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 04, 2023 12:19 PM (t/2Uw)

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It's petulance and won't last.

But it entertains me nonetheless.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 12:20 PM (LvTSG)

38 Afternoon.

I said it yesterday and I will say it again today. I welcome Speaker Hakeem Jeffries. Let's just give the Speaker's gavel to him and boot the eight turncoats out of the Republican Conference and let them join the Democrats. If they want to give the left *spit* victories then let them but they're going to have to be honest about whose side they're on.

Posted by: Robert at October 04, 2023 12:21 PM (+Ar82)

39 I'm tellin' ya, make Trump Speaker.

The meltdown would be epic.

: o )

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at October 04, 2023 12:21 PM (8sMut)

40 Nothin' up muh sleeve!

Posted by: Bullwinkle at October 04, 2023 12:21 PM (63Dwl)

41 Luntz didn't do a focus group for McCarthy?

My polling of Kevin came back very positive. Orgasmic in fact.

Posted by: Frank Luntz at October 04, 2023 12:21 PM (XqcwY)

42 I think the GOPe are shocked that Americans caught on to their act more than that the democrats acted like democrats.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at October 04, 2023 12:21 PM (H60vN)

43 No 'about' about it.

Posted by: norrin radd at October 04, 2023 12:21 PM (J8KPt)

44 It is said that if you look into a mirror, and say McCarthy 3 times, nothing whatsoever will happen.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at October 04, 2023 12:21 PM (LA3XS)

45 There are "Republicans" who are and always have been Democrats, and it's about time we cast them out.
Posted by Disinformation Expert Ace at 01:15 PM Comments
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Dave Joyce belongs, a sure sign its a Uniparty front group.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 04, 2023 12:21 PM (41Nl3)

46 Frustrated members said that Democrats in the group, which is aimed at finding bipartisan solutions, sparked chaos for political gain despite many Republicans in the group having faced primaries for crossing the aisle and taking difficult votes.
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It is clear that absolutely nobody in Washington reads or understands fables.

The scorpion always stings you. Why is this so difficult to grasp?

Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2023 12:21 PM (I/Qkd)

47 "Will this be the moment that Republican leaders realize that Democrats think of them as no more than tools?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison"

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Democrats have been doing this to Republicans since, well my entire lifetime, so, no.

Posted by: Jay in PA at October 04, 2023 12:21 PM (i7Q7S)

48 I can’t wait to see Speaker Jordan at the podium with the gavel in his hand wearing the wife beater… Many stern letters will be written

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 04, 2023 12:21 PM (m6dV4)

49 Moderates?

Off with their heads too. Kill them all.

Posted by: JROD at October 04, 2023 12:22 PM (IlL6s)

50 The Afternoon Arterton knows that the Speaker doesn't need to be in the House, and she has dressed up for the vote while asking for yours:

https://is.gd/DMYuIb

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 12:22 PM (LvTSG)

51 I dunno, guys. I'm pretty sure that when a handful of mostly assholic attention-whore GOP house members conspire with literally the entire Democrat house -- and against all the other GOP members -- it's a very good bet that we got rolled.

Whenever you are on the same side of literally the entire enemy army, maybe you should rethink your side.

Do I know how this will end? No. But I'm not optimistic.

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 04, 2023 12:22 PM (iFTx/)

52 How are his sleeves?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 12:16 PM (LvTSG)

#rolledup
Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at October 04, 2023 12:19 PM (CCSxw)

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Mmmmm....

Not on Jim Jordan, though.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 04, 2023 12:22 PM (DRSnL)

53 Luntz didn't do a focus group for McCarthy?
Posted by: mr tmz at October 04, 2023 11:05 AM (rJ48h)
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I reckon that Luntz was too busy playing Monica Lewinsky dress-up with McCarthy in his counterfeit Oval Office. I'll bet - though I don't know - that McCarthy wore the dress.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 04, 2023 12:22 PM (t0OGg)

54 Nice work, Gaetz. Now we'll have Speaker Jordan (R-Google).

Posted by: Candidus at October 04, 2023 12:22 PM (Zc7Fe)

55 Remember McCarthy didn't fail in his speakership.

He did exactly what he set out to do.

Govern on behalf of his clients and f*ck we the people.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 04, 2023 12:23 PM (XqcwY)

56 47 Democrats have been doing this to Republicans since, well my entire lifetime, so, no.
Posted by: Jay in PA at October 04, 2023 12:21 PM (i7Q7S)

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They've been doing it with Republican leadership's help to the Republican base.

Have they done it to the Republican leadership?

Hell, the Republican leadership laid down in 2020 for the Democrats when it came to Democrats outright stealing elections.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 12:23 PM (LvTSG)

57 Nancy Mace is a member of the PSC but voted to trash McCarthy. She surprises me sometimes.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 04, 2023 12:23 PM (41Nl3)

58 Bipartisan is just bullshit for "everyone got paid"

Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 superfan, she's still free! at October 04, 2023 12:23 PM (jg54c)

59 There are "Republicans" who are and always have been Democrats, and it's about time we cast them out.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 01:15 PM

*grabs bell, book, and candle*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 04, 2023 12:23 PM (FVJNG)

60 Problem Solver ~~Caucus~~ Circus.

Posted by: huerfano at October 04, 2023 12:24 PM (cs21Z)

61 Nice work, Gaetz. Now we'll have Speaker Jordan (R-Google).
Posted by: Candidus

Keep cashing those micro-checks.

Posted by: Joe Mama at October 04, 2023 12:24 PM (lZVy/)

62 Anyone who says this is a win for the left, name one substantial loss they had since Charlie McCarthy was Speaker.

Or STFU.

Posted by: Field Marshal Zhukov at October 04, 2023 12:24 PM (nnp+f)

63 Problem Solver Caucus has the same acronym as "Penis Sipping Coalition" so that's how I'm going to refer to them from now on.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 04, 2023 12:24 PM (fKIdX)

64 33 Will this be the moment that Republican leaders realize that Democrats think of them as no more than tools?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 12:16 PM (LvTSG)

No, because practically everyone in Congress (few exceptions) look fondly at HS and have created a HS environment in the Capitol. The Republicans will forever be the uncool kids trying to suck up to the cool kids to be one of the cool kids.

We need to elect people who hate that environment and rebel against it. Easier said than done.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at October 04, 2023 12:24 PM (8sMut)

65 I read that there's interest in getting Devin Nunes for the job. He's no longer in Congress, but he doesn't need to be.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2023 12:24 PM (I/Qkd)

66 Gaetz nominated Trump for Speaker once during the last election, I believe.

He should do it again

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 04, 2023 12:24 PM (ufFY8)

67 Ousting Mrs. Luntz WAS a bipartisan solution.

Posted by: Hawkpilot at October 04, 2023 12:24 PM (k6uu5)

68 Massie, Roy, Gosar.

Gaetz, Mace, the Squad.

Posted by: Candidus at October 04, 2023 12:24 PM (Zc7Fe)

69 How about Harriet Hageman from WY for Speaker? Can't have that. She'd be a huge improvement to what we're forced to endure and suffer through.

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 04, 2023 12:24 PM (mupln)

70 I nominate Anna Paulina Luna.
So we have something nice to look at.

Tip O'Neil she is not.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at October 04, 2023 12:24 PM (0ltTR)

71 Democrats have been doing this to Republicans since, well my entire lifetime, so, no.

There were a couple of real Republican leaders in the 80s/90s - most notably Reagan and Newt G.

But as soon as the left got Denis Hastert installed its been all controlled opposition since then

Posted by: 18-1 at October 04, 2023 12:24 PM (XqcwY)

72 The Afternoon Arterton knows that the Speaker doesn't need to be in the House, and she has dressed up for the vote while asking for yours:

https://is.gd/DMYuIb
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 12:22 PM (LvTSG)
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Would ask out. Holy moly.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 04, 2023 12:24 PM (41Nl3)

73 It is said that if you look into a mirror, and say McCarthy 3 times, nothing whatsoever will happen.
Posted by: humphreyrobot at October 04, 2023 12:21 PM (LA3XS)

Wrong. Frank Luntz appears and presents you with his "focus poll."

Posted by: Dr. T at October 04, 2023 12:25 PM (bhRsz)

74 Nancy Mace is ambitious. Wouldn't be surprised to see her throw her hat in the ring.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 04, 2023 12:25 PM (t/2Uw)

75 47 "Will this be the moment that Republican leaders realize that Democrats think of them as no more than tools?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison"

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Democrats have been doing this to Republicans since, well my entire lifetime, so, no.
Posted by: Jay in PA

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Stan always breaks his tools--Always.

Posted by: whig at October 04, 2023 12:25 PM (4R3Gm)

76 Who's the cowboy hat wearin' black lady from Fla.? I want her to be speaker

Posted by: BignJames at October 04, 2023 12:25 PM (AwYPR)

77 Nancy Mace is a member of the PSC but voted to trash McCarthy. She surprises me sometimes.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 04, 2023 12:23 PM (41Nl3)

Me too !

Posted by: Nancy Mace's boyfriend at October 04, 2023 12:25 PM (NtVYv)

78 This isn't a time for "moderates". This is a time for difficult and decisive action.

Posted by: Crusader at October 04, 2023 12:25 PM (ibQSj)

79 "Will this be the moment that Republican leaders realize that Democrats think of them as no more than tools?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison"

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This is who the Democrats are, always, in every instance.
Which Republican leader understands this point?

President Reagan nominated Bork for the Supreme Court on July 1, 1987, to replace a retiring Lewis Powell. Senator Ted Kennedy reacted with a public statement that quickly drew political battle lines over Bork’s nomination.

“Robert Bork’s America is a land in which women would be forced into back-alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters, rogue police could break down citizens’ doors in midnight raids, schoolchildren could not be taught about evolution, writers and artists would be censored at the whim of government, and the doors of the federal courts would be shut on the fingers of millions of citizens for whom the judiciary is often the only protector of the individual rights that are the heart of our democracy,” he said.

Posted by: Jay in PA at October 04, 2023 12:25 PM (i7Q7S)

80 Nancy Mace is ambitious. Wouldn't be surprised to see her throw her hat in the ring.

I'm gonna win the big game and go home and bang my boy toy. Not necessarily in that order

Posted by: Nancy Mace girding her loins at October 04, 2023 12:26 PM (XqcwY)

81 12 Kevin McCarthy is Charlie Brown to Democrats' Lucy.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia)
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"Problem Solver Caucus" = "Charlie Brown Republicans"

Posted by: Kam Fong as Chin Ho at October 04, 2023 12:26 PM (gf7Ez)

82 49 Moderates?

Off with their heads too. Kill them all.
Posted by: JROD at October 04, 2023 12:22 PM (IlL6s)

The difference between 'moderates' in the GOP House and moderates in the Dem House is that with the Dems, moderates only play that way to get elected. Just having them in the House adds power to the Dems with seniority and power - who are all far-left - and gives them the ability to push their agenda. GOP moderates serve to weaken leadership, at best. At worst, they give the GOPe power to make bipartisan* deals with the Democrats.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 04, 2023 12:26 PM (/iWhV)

83 Why should the Dems in that position spend any of their political capital? Because an idiot repub would?

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 04, 2023 12:26 PM (CIS44)

84 No, because practically everyone in Congress (few exceptions) look fondly at HS and have created a HS environment in the Capitol. The Republicans will forever be the uncool kids trying to suck up to the cool kids to be one of the cool kids.

We need to elect people who hate that environment and rebel against it. Easier said than done.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33
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More astute about DC and how it operates than all of the pundits you see on TV. You are exactly right.

Posted by: whig at October 04, 2023 12:26 PM (4R3Gm)

85 Apparently a group a Patriotic, Adult Republicans have formed a group to keep Jordan from getting the speakership unless he agrees to ask Pelosi "mother, may I" before he rules anything.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 04, 2023 12:26 PM (z99Zw)

86 How come we don't hear Elise Stefanik's name in these discussions? I'm not saying that is who I'd want, but she seems like someone who would be well positioned. Just curious.

Posted by: SH (Will Not Serve As Speaker) at October 04, 2023 12:26 PM (sX1BW)

87 Massie, Roy, Gosar.

Gaetz, Mace, the Squad.

Posted by: Candidus at October 04, 2023 12:24 PM (Zc7Fe)

Why are we talking only about Gosar and not about Zuul?

Posted by: Dr. T at October 04, 2023 12:26 PM (bhRsz)

88 Problem Solver Caucus has the same acronym as "Penis Sipping Coalition" so that's how I'm going to refer to them from now on.
Posted by: joe, living dangerously

Puerile Stupid Commies works as well.

Posted by: Joe Mama at October 04, 2023 12:27 PM (lZVy/)

89 Eye patch McCain has the sadz!

Posted by: LOLGF at October 04, 2023 12:27 PM (G5u+7)

90 Do I know how this will end? No. But I'm not optimistic.

Nobody does, but people are so desperate for some real leadership, they're willing to roll the dice.

If I'm in a plane, the pilot is dead, and the plane is looking to auger in, I'm going to try and take the controls, even though I don't know how to fly outside of Microsoft Flight Simulator.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2023 12:27 PM (I/Qkd)

91 Why are we talking only about Gosar and not about Zuul?
Posted by: Dr. T at October 04, 2023 12:26 PM (bhRsz)
++++
Life isn't fair.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 04, 2023 12:27 PM (t0OGg)

92 "If you want results you have to win elections, and we seem to be determined to make ourselves as unappealing for the majority of voters as possible. And when we lose elections, our response is then to... break things until things get better."

With respect, Ace,

I see more evidence that the GOP throws winnable elections to dems if it might threaten their minority control of the caucus then I do it being the Base wanting to become unpalatable to voters.

Posted by: Inogame at October 04, 2023 12:27 PM (53oGX)

93 Rrrrnnnnngggghhhhhhh AAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!

Posted by: Matt Gaetz being penetrated by Hakeem Jeffries at October 04, 2023 12:28 PM (+Ar82)

94 I do not think this will be some revolutionary watershed moment. But it at the very least is a shot across the bow of the S.S Squish. Look how they treated the Tea Party and anyone else who dare do what the voters want.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 04, 2023 12:28 PM (5RO7A)

95 Collin Rugg
@CollinRugg
JUST IN: Donald Trump confirms from the New York courthouse that he has been asked about becoming the House Speaker, says he would do it.

That would be epic 🔥

“All I can say is we'll do whatever's best for the country and for the Republican Party.”

“A lot of people have asked me about it… My focus is totally on [the election]. If I can help them during the process, I would do it.”

Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 04, 2023 12:28 PM (TGPs7)

96 17 The scowling interim clown in the bowtie yesterday looks as queer as a 3 dollar bill. This is our GOP.
Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 04, 2023 12:18 PM (l10hq)

-----------------

I remember the first Patrick McHenry ad I saw when he was first running for Congress. Walkin' down the halls of Congress, doin' things for the Murican' people.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 04, 2023 12:28 PM (T5lnw)

97 Another total win from this...

Rs can't count on Ds anymore. So tanking seats thinking you'll have Dems to cover for you to pass Uniparty stuff is gone. The personal knife done by Democrats to RINOs will be long lasting. Dems did it to stop the Biden inquiry and try to firm up 2024 - a short term outlook. But they forgot long term - no one forgets getting knifed, and if it took this to break the Uniparty, all the better.

Chaos brings uncertainty...and uncertainty breaks up cozy relationships - ask a spouse who doesn't know where their husband is how they feel about their marriage - and then one who literally sees the other woman show up on her porch asking for her husband...one's uncertain, but the other's got divorce papers the next day with the highest paid lawyer looking for blood and feels it forever...forever feelings against the Uniparty and Dems are good for us...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 04, 2023 12:28 PM (exHjb)

98 Who's the cowboy hat wearin' black lady from Fla.? I want her to be speaker

Posted by: BignJames at October 04, 2023 12:25 PM (AwYPR)

Frederica Wilson...I looked her up.

Posted by: BignJames at October 04, 2023 12:28 PM (AwYPR)

99 Nobody does, but people are so desperate for some real leadership, they're willing to roll the dice.

If I'm in a plane, the pilot is dead, and the plane is looking to auger in, I'm going to try and take the controls, even though I don't know how to fly outside of Microsoft Flight Simulator.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2023 12:27 PM (I/Qkd)
++++
Yup.

"Everything could get way worse because of this" is true - but so is "nothing can possibly better without something like this." If there were ever conditions that called for risk-taking, we're in them.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 04, 2023 12:28 PM (t0OGg)

100 Vivek Ramaswamy for speaker.

Say what you want, dude can SPEAK.

Posted by: Joe Mama at October 04, 2023 12:29 PM (lZVy/)

101 92 I see more evidence that the GOP throws winnable elections to dems if it might threaten their minority control of the caucus then I do it being the Base wanting to become unpalatable to voters.
Posted by: Inogame at October 04, 2023 12:27 PM (53oGX)

=======

McConnel has been intentionally losing senate elections for more than a decade to help preserve his power.

McCarthy decided to play that game in 2022, and this is the result.

A weakened Republican caucus with a bare majority in a body that requires a clear majority of the entire body to remain in power. It was a bad application of Senate dynamics to the House, and McCarthy is an idiot.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 12:29 PM (LvTSG)

102 Jim Jordon's shirts come from the French laundry with the sleeves pre-rolled up.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 04, 2023 12:29 PM (aD39U)

103 Sundar Pichai approves.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ne Obliviscaris at October 04, 2023 12:29 PM (BZ83/)

104 In order to gain my vote for Speaker, Jordan must;

1- Balance a quarter on his nose for five minutes
2- Juggle five flaming bowling pins
3- Hop on one leg while repeating Mary had a Little lamb for 20 minutes
4- Day my name every day at the open of business, or be subject to removal
5- Post my picture in all the rest rooms.

Posted by: Matt Gaetz at October 04, 2023 12:29 PM (8Voqu)

105
It will have to be a black man. Preferably with well creased pants.

Posted by: Auspex at October 04, 2023 12:29 PM (j4U/Z)

106 97 Chaos brings uncertainty...and uncertainty breaks up cozy relationships - ask a spouse who doesn't know where their husband is how they feel about their marriage - and then one who literally sees the other woman show up on her porch asking for her husband...one's uncertain, but the other's got divorce papers the next day with the highest paid lawyer looking for blood and feels it forever...forever feelings against the Uniparty and Dems are good for us...
Posted by: Nova Local at October 04, 2023 12:28 PM (exHjb)

=======

It's my hope.

I'm pessimistic, though. The GOP has a VERY LONG history of intentional failure to deal with.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 12:30 PM (LvTSG)

107 Who's the cowboy hat wearin' black lady from Fla.? I want her to be speaker
Posted by: BignJames at October 04, 2023 12:25 PM (AwYPR)

I don't think you mean her, but she would do:

Https://images.app.goo.gl/H9YqZUwMKjbs1Y258

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at October 04, 2023 12:30 PM (ufFY8)

108 I vote for Tecumseh.

That's Prophetic.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2023 12:30 PM (xTRSc)

109 Please NOT Nancy Mace for speaker. I don’t trust anyone who shows up late for a prayer breakfast and jokes it was because her boyfriend wanted to bang her…

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 04, 2023 12:30 PM (m6dV4)

110 Fox News (I know) says the following persons have been seriously floated for Speaker:

Jim Jordan
Steve Scalise
Tom Emmer
Tom Cole
Patrick McHenry
Kevin Hern
Mike Johnson
Jodey Arrington
Lee Zeldin
Hakeem Jeffries
And, of course, Donald Trump.

Posted by: Dr. T at October 04, 2023 12:30 PM (bhRsz)

111
"Problem Solver Caucus" = "Charlie Brown Republicans"
Posted by: Kam Fong as Chin Ho at October 04, 2023 12:26 PM

Wait til they see the size of that dildo!

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 04, 2023 12:31 PM (5RO7A)

112 Rs can't count on Ds anymore. So tanking seats thinking you'll have Dems to cover for you to pass Uniparty stuff is gone. The personal knife done by Democrats to RINOs will be long lasting. Dems did it to stop the Biden inquiry and try to firm up 2024 - a short term outlook. But they forgot long term - no one forgets getting knifed, and if it took this to break the Uniparty, all the better.

Very astute.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2023 12:31 PM (I/Qkd)

113 95 Collin Rugg
@CollinRugg
JUST IN: Donald Trump confirms from the New York courthouse that he has been asked about becoming the House Speaker, says he would do it.

That would be epic 🔥

“All I can say is we'll do whatever's best for the country and for the Republican Party.”

“A lot of people have asked me about it… My focus is totally on [the election]. If I can help them during the process, I would do it.”
Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 04, 2023 12:28 PM (TGPs7)

That. Would. Be. Awesome.

It also has the added benefit of flushing out all the anti-reform GOPers when it comes to voting for Speaker. Anybody who doesn't vote for Trump might as well ask to get primaried from the right in '24.

It will be a Time for Choosing.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 04, 2023 12:31 PM (/iWhV)

114 When someone says, "political capital," explain to them that Wall Street has a saying: "Cash is trash."

Similarly, political capital is worthless unless you're spending on investments that have returns.

Republicans never spend their political capital and are, therefore, always finding it is worthless.
They never push though priorities of the base.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 04, 2023 12:31 PM (/mEjB)

115 Zelenskyy for Speaker!

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2023 12:31 PM (xTRSc)

116 But after six years of "let's break shit" all the time, I'm kind of noticing that our situation is not actually improving.

Nothing's actually been broken. Even McCarthy getting defenestrated is mostly sad for him, not official DC.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2023 12:31 PM (2ocoG)

117 If you want results you have to win elections

Actually, that is exactly what has played out here. Fresh non-GOPe blood has been infused into the house which resulted in the removal of a Surrender Caucus leader. No do the Senate.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at October 04, 2023 12:31 PM (AiZBA)

118 They need to make Trump the Speaker of The House.

An impeachment every week is all we ask!

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at October 04, 2023 12:32 PM (ihkwZ)

119 Zelenskyy for Speaker!

At least that would be honest about who Congress is representing.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2023 12:32 PM (2ocoG)

120 Zelenskyy for Speaker!

Why would I take a demotion?

Posted by: Zelenskyy dictator of the US at October 04, 2023 12:32 PM (XqcwY)

121 McConnel has been intentionally losing senate elections for more than a decade to help preserve his power.

McCarthy decided to play that game in 2022, and this is the result.

A weakened Republican caucus with a bare majority in a body that requires a clear majority of the entire body to remain in power. It was a bad application of Senate dynamics to the House, and McCarthy is an idiot.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 12:29 PM (LvTSG)
++++
He is not alone. McCarthy didn't act in a vacuum to kneecap his own majority. McConnell was involved, as you mentioned. So was McDaniel. The Party is all-in on the play to maintain a razor-thin majority (when they have to be forced to hold a majority at all) so that they can continue playing ball with the same old agenda while claiming there is nothing else they can do.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 04, 2023 12:32 PM (t0OGg)

122 This is how you do rolled up sleeves.
https://is.gd/yoc7kZ

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 04, 2023 12:32 PM (DRSnL)

123 I like Jim Jordan, but I might like him better in his role as committee pit bull than the unifying face of the GOP House that he would have to be as Speaker. I didn't hate McCarthy as much as I expected, although maybe that's just because he hadn't had time to fully reveal himself to be as bad as Boehner and Ryan. Not sure that we are likely to end up with something any better. But maybe a faint hope that future GOP Speakers have some reason to fear knifing conservatives in the back.

Posted by: Mad Max in VA at October 04, 2023 12:32 PM (YQ4mh)

124 "Problem Solver Caucus"

This is so GOPe

Just hilarious.

Posted by: Jay in PA at October 04, 2023 12:32 PM (i7Q7S)

125 Please NOT Nancy Mace for speaker. I don’t trust anyone who shows up late for a prayer breakfast and jokes it was because her boyfriend wanted to bang her…
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 04, 2023 12:30 PM (m6dV4)

It just means she's hip and has a sense of humor!!!

Posted by: Dr. T at October 04, 2023 12:32 PM (bhRsz)

126 Please NOT Nancy Mace for speaker.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt

You just want to date her.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2023 12:32 PM (xTRSc)

127 GOP members in the group are furious at their Democratic colleagues who voted to remove McCarthy.

How many democrats voted for Ms Luntz to be speaker?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 04, 2023 12:32 PM (YRsIm)

128 In order to gain my vote for Speaker, Jordan must;

1- Balance a quarter on his nose for five minutes
2- Juggle five flaming bowling pins
3- Hop on one leg while repeating Mary had a Little lamb for 20 minutes
4- Day my name every day at the open of business, or be subject to removal
5- Post my picture in all the rest rooms.
Posted by: Matt Gaetz at October 04, 2023 12:29 PM

Don't forget the shrubbery!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 04, 2023 12:33 PM (FVJNG)

129 But I am getting very tired of the constant "let's break shit" attitude. I have long shared this attitude. But after six years of "let's break shit" all the time, I'm kind of noticing that our situation is not actually improving.

So, McCarthy fails to follow his pledge of following the actual budget process and Gaetz is breaking stuff?

Anyways, do you really think anything is going to improve under the current regime? They are not going to change willing. They've shown they will throw you in jail at the slightest provocation. And your solution is?

Best we can hope for is a gutted and feeble Federal gov't that can protect the borders and handle trade. The rest of the country breaks into semi-autonomous regional ethnic enclaves.

Posted by: WOPR at October 04, 2023 12:33 PM (WFJRS)

130 Make Hunter Biden speaker and watch the GOPe fall all over itself to join one of the 20 investigative committees into Trump, his family and his businesses.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 04, 2023 12:33 PM (3qoAC)

131 I wasn't sure what the Lefty response to Jordan would be...I wasn't expecting this:

Jordan the Pedo. Let's hope Clooney's docu about Jordan and how he ignored the complaints of young men being molested by the coach comes out soon.

There's no way he didn't take part in at least some of it. Because there's no way a man who doesn't, would merely keep quiet (without at least quitting) and risk being made guilty by association of such a thing - unless his hands were dirty too.

A Child Predator. It's a perfect picture of the Republican Party, a speaker who knew and watch children being abused in Ohio State as their leader.

So the man who supported the violent overthrow of our democracy to make Trump a dictator on 1/6/2 wants to speaker of the house?

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at October 04, 2023 12:33 PM (JCZqz)

132 128 Don't forget the shrubbery!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 04, 2023 12:33 PM (FVJNG)

========

Two of them!

One placed right next to the other, with just enough room to form a path down the middle.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 12:33 PM (LvTSG)

133 Please NOT Nancy Mace for speaker. I don’t trust anyone who shows up late for a prayer breakfast and jokes it was because her boyfriend wanted to bang her…
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 04, 2023 12:30 PM (m6dV4)

She's also a liberal gun grabber so fuck her.

Posted by: Robert at October 04, 2023 12:33 PM (+Ar82)

134 With respect, Ace,

I see more evidence that the GOP throws winnable elections to dems if it might threaten their minority control of the caucus then I do it being the Base wanting to become unpalatable to voters.
Posted by: Inogame at October 04, 2023 12:27 PM (53oGX)
---
Yep. Being in the minority means the GOP doesn't have to do a damn thing, but they still have access to money and power (within their limited scope). And NONE of the responsibility required for getting things done.

"Welp, we tried, but we just couldn't get anything passed! Send money!"

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 04, 2023 12:33 PM (YIVH2)

135 You just want to date her.

If I had a million dollars I'd "date" and her and Boebert at the same time

Posted by: Lawrence at October 04, 2023 12:33 PM (XqcwY)

136 Please NOT Nancy Mace for speaker. I don’t trust anyone who shows up late for a prayer breakfast and jokes it was because her boyfriend wanted to bang her…

An 'ette showing up at a MoMe with that excuse would be voted supreme ruler of Earth though.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2023 12:34 PM (2ocoG)

137 Better than most

Could nominate DJT, that would be fun

Posted by: Skip at October 04, 2023 12:34 PM (Yjbgv)

138 @110

>>Fox News (I know) says the following persons have been seriously floated for Speaker:

...
Kevin Hern
...

I already mentioned Hern, he's from Oklahoma which is indisputably the reddest state in the union, if we can't get a solid GOP leader from that state then they don't exist.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 04, 2023 12:34 PM (rc3Z7)

139 Please NOT Nancy Mace for speaker. I don’t trust anyone who shows up late for a prayer breakfast and jokes it was because her boyfriend wanted to bang her…
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 04, 2023 12:30 PM (m6dV4)

She's also a liberal gun grabber so fuck her.

Plus, she voted against ending the "Pride" crap in the military.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2023 12:34 PM (xTRSc)

140 🇺🇸Travis🇺🇸
@Travis_in_Flint
Happening Now: Rep Troy Nehls of Texas announced he will be filing the paperwork to make Trump the Speaker of the House. US Law allows for anyone to serve as Speaker, even if they’re not a member of Congress.

He released the following statement: “This week, when the U.S. House of Representatives reconvenes, my first order of business will be to nominate Donald J. Trump for Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives.”

God Bless Texas! 🇺🇸

Posted by: Mister Ghost at October 04, 2023 12:34 PM (TGPs7)

141 In other words, the "moderate" Republicans on the (lol) "Problem Solver Caucus" got used and humiliated and betrayed by their Democrat "partners" yet again.

----------

Unexpectedly!

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at October 04, 2023 12:34 PM (ihkwZ)

142 A Child Predator. It's a perfect picture of the Republican Party, a speaker who knew and watch children being abused in Ohio State as their leader.

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at October 04, 2023 12:33 PM (JCZqz)
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They seem perfectly OK with a man who credibly abused his own daughter being in the White House. They don't exactly have the moral high ground here.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 04, 2023 12:35 PM (YIVH2)

143 Can we though at least understand that not every Republican in Congress is some hard right politician willing to take unpopular stands and lose office?

A Speaker is not some king that gets to decide how everyone votes. If you want to know why say Ukraine aid still flowed, it was probably because 100+ Republicans want it to flow. Not because of just McCarthy. And if you want to punish Republicans for this and hand it over to Democrats, it would be in the trillions in aid.

If you just let every vote be a free for all, my guess is there is an easy liberal majority on most things in Congress when it comes to spending.

Posted by: Blago at October 04, 2023 12:35 PM (MRyUU)

144 Who's the cowboy hat wearin' black lady from Fla.? I want her to be speaker. Frederica Wilson, vote her in. She will clean house on the BS going on in the Educational Dept.

Posted by: sidney at October 04, 2023 12:35 PM (Uy/WF)

145 We might as well bring Trey Gowdy in as Speaker if Jordan is running. Loud mouths that accomplish nothing.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 04, 2023 12:35 PM (l10hq)

146 he's from Oklahoma which is indisputably the reddest state in the union,

Raycis!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 04, 2023 12:35 PM (3qoAC)

147 The people most enthusiastic about pushing the chaos agenda, like Gaetz, don't actually seem to have any plan except for chaos.

---------------

I see that question: what's the plan?

Well I ask, what was McCarthy's plan?

Or the Republican leadership in general. What is their plan?

Why should I expect more of Gaetz than the leadership?

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 04, 2023 12:35 PM (T5lnw)

148 They seem perfectly OK with a man who credibly abused his own daughter being in the White House. They don't exactly have the moral high ground here.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 04, 2023 12:35 PM (YIVH2)

A pimp's love is different from that of a square.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 04, 2023 12:36 PM (aD39U)

149 I see more evidence that the GOP throws winnable elections to dems if it might threaten their minority control of the caucus then I do it being the Base wanting to become unpalatable to voters.
Posted by: Inogame at October 04, 2023 12:27 PM (53oGX)

Yes, trying the same thing over and over again and thinking the result will magically be different is just insane, with all due credit to Einstein. So the Freedom Caucus decided to try something different for once.

It wasn't that McCarthy wasn't horrible, as everyone defending him seems to be saying, it's just that he wasn't very good. The Reps have 200 other members who just may be as bad, but why not try someone else?

At this stage, someone needed to get fired - McCarthy may as well be that guy as much as the next guy...

Posted by: Boswell at October 04, 2023 12:36 PM (K+UlC)

150 They seem perfectly OK with a man who credibly abused his own daughter being in the White House. They don't exactly have the moral high ground here.

They think all the stuff about Joe being gropey is a Putin dossier, while all accusations against Republicans are true.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2023 12:36 PM (2ocoG)

151 An 'ette showing up at a MoMe with that excuse would be voted supreme ruler of Earth though.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2023 12:34 PM

Fen was late? I keed I keed. (Sorry Fen

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 04, 2023 12:36 PM (5RO7A)

152 "But I am getting very tired of the constant "let's break shit" attitude. I have long shared this attitude. But after six years of "let's break shit" all the time, I'm kind of noticing that our situation is not actually improving."

=============
Remember how Republicans defunded Planned Parenthood when Trump was President and they controlled both houses?

How about the funding for the border wall?

Posted by: Jay in PA at October 04, 2023 12:36 PM (i7Q7S)

153 Please NOT Nancy Mace for speaker. I don’t trust anyone who shows up late for a prayer breakfast and jokes it was because her boyfriend wanted to bang her…

An 'ette showing up at a MoMe with that excuse would be voted supreme ruler of Earth though.

Posted by: Ian S.

Hmmmmm

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 04, 2023 12:36 PM (t/2Uw)

154 This is how you do rolled up sleeves.
https://is.gd/yoc7kZ
Posted by: Jordan61 at October 04, 2023 12:32 PM

*docks points for (i) lack of tie, (2) tats, and (C) whatever the hell that is on the wall*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 04, 2023 12:36 PM (FVJNG)

155 Issa swears he will get to the bottom of Benghazi if we make him speaker.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 04, 2023 12:36 PM (3qoAC)

156 Happening Now: Rep Troy Nehls of Texas announced he will be filing the paperwork to make Trump the Speaker of the House. US Law allows for anyone to serve as Speaker, even if they’re not a member of Congress.

He released the following statement: “This week, when the U.S. House of Representatives reconvenes, my first order of business will be to nominate Donald J. Trump for Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives.”

Here are the House Republicans who voted to oust McCarthy:
Andy Biggs of Arizona.
Ken Buck of Colorado.
Tim Burchett of Tennessee.
Eli Crane of Arizona.
Matt Gaetz of Florida.
Bob Good of Virginia.
Nancy Mace of South Carolina.
Matt Rosendale of Montana.

Notice someone missing?

Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2023 12:36 PM (I/Qkd)

157 Exactly! Ace says we have to win elections. But we do win elections and the Uniparty just sabatoges. Remember the Tea Party? Remember our 2022?

What will, if anything, kneecap the Uniparty?

Posted by: Iris at October 04, 2023 12:37 PM (n3DL0)

158 BTW, I'm not nearly as enthusiastic about Matt Gaetz's scheme as some commenters are. I think at some point the chaos agenda becomes extremely counterproductive.
==
Note well tuckers recent chat with VDH, cruelty enthusiast. He stated that we are in the middle of a revolution, political, cultural, legal etc and most don't recognize it. My take: The only thing left is to throw a wrench into the works. You ain't fixing this shit. You gotta guide it into a crash landing without a flaming wreck ocurring, best we can hope for now.

Posted by: A broken record at October 04, 2023 12:37 PM (pHQD8)

159 Please NOT Nancy Mace for speaker. I don’t trust anyone who shows up late for a prayer breakfast and jokes it was because her boyfriend wanted to bang her…
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 04, 2023 12:30 PM (m6dV4)

She's also a liberal gun grabber so fuck her.

Plus, she voted against ending the "Pride" crap in the military.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2023 12:34 PM (xTRSc)

Why the hell can't we primary these idiots?

Posted by: Dr. T at October 04, 2023 12:37 PM (bhRsz)

160 Speaker?

Ken Paxton.

Posted by: LOLGF at October 04, 2023 12:37 PM (G5u+7)

161 I'm tellin' ya...let's not half ass this speaker thing...let's go full ass.

https://tinyurl.com/bpadzyca

Posted by: BignJames at October 04, 2023 12:37 PM (AwYPR)

162 They think all the stuff about Joe being gropey is a Putin dossier, while all accusations against Republicans are true.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2023 12:36 PM

The Rrrruussians made his daughter write that shit. Also it's a Rrrrrussian AI Biden bot who is always groping and sniffing kids.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 04, 2023 12:37 PM (5RO7A)

163 She's also a liberal gun grabber so fuck her.
Posted by: Robert

==============

Would do!

Posted by: Jay in PA at October 04, 2023 12:38 PM (i7Q7S)

164 Please NOT Nancy Mace for speaker.
Posted by: LinusVanPelt

You just want to date her.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2023 12:32 PM (xTRSc)

My wife just gave me the stink eye and she doesn’t even look at AoS

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 04, 2023 12:38 PM (m6dV4)

165 Why not Speaker C.A.T?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 04, 2023 12:38 PM (3qoAC)

166 I saw Trey Gowdy on Forensic Files.
Pretty hair.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at October 04, 2023 12:38 PM (LA3XS)

167 I just had a BRILLIANT idea!

Make ME Speaker of the House.

Do so and I promise I will overthrow the government and rule this country with an iron fist.

Posted by: Robert with a perfectly modest proposal at October 04, 2023 12:38 PM (+Ar82)

168 *docks points for (i) lack of tie, (2) tats, and (C) whatever the hell that is on the wall*
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 04, 2023 12:36 PM (FVJNG)

=====

Whatever. He's sexy.

Posted by: Jordan61 at October 04, 2023 12:38 PM (DRSnL)

169

Who is the man that would risk his neck for his brother man?
Who's the cat that won't cop out when there's danger all about?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 04, 2023 12:38 PM (63Dwl)

170 ... A Speaker is not some king that gets to decide how everyone votes. If you want to know why say Ukraine aid still flowed, it was probably because 100+ Republicans want it to flow. Not because of just McCarthy. And if you want to punish Republicans for this and hand it over to Democrats, it would be in the trillions in aid. ...
Posted by: Blago at October 04, 2023 12:35 PM (MRyUU)
++++
Sure, probably.

But that isn't what happened here. What happened here is a combination of two things:
1. McCarthy's failure to hold up him end of the bargain that put him in the Speaker's chair
2. Matt Gaetz's personal vendetta

But Gaetz was the one holding the sword that would come down on McCarthy if McCarthy failed to deliver. McCarthy knew that. McCarthy agreed to that as the necessary condition to get the gavel. McCarthy could have backed down and not gone for it back when this blew up the first time, but he chose not to. He wanted the gavel and damned if he wasn't going to get it. That required him to cut a deal with his enemy to get it done, so he cut the deal.

And now the deal cut him.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 04, 2023 12:39 PM (t0OGg)

171 Steve Scalise. He literally took one for the team.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 04, 2023 12:39 PM (t/2Uw)

172 They think all the stuff about Joe being gropey is a Putin dossier, while all accusations against Republicans are true.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2023 12:36 PM

They think all the stuff in Ashley's diary and Hunter's laptop is lies and false information planted by Putin and his puppets, and the items are fake, but the people who had them should be prosecuted for taking Ashley and Hunter's property illegally (hell, it sounds like the ladies with Ashley's diary were convicted in Florida).

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at October 04, 2023 12:39 PM (JCZqz)

173 All this essay is missing is

"Try not to laugh."

heh heh heh heh

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 04, 2023 12:39 PM (zHuJr)

174 My wife just gave me the stink eye and she doesn’t even look at AoS
Posted by: LinusVanPelt

You know what you did.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2023 12:39 PM (xTRSc)

175 {156} ... Notice someone missing?

Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2023 12:36 PM (I/Qkd)

If I say "Patrick McHenry" do I win a prize?

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 04, 2023 12:39 PM (qPw5n)

176 Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is crazy. At least this is something different. Also what things have we broken?

Did we break the wall?
Did we break the mass illegal criminal invasion?
Did we break the budget and bring 20% inflation?
Did we break Afghanistan withdrawal?
Did we break biological warfare?
Did we break forcing people to take an experimental drug?
Did we break the voting system?

I could go on but I just don't see that. This has all been the uniparty's doing. So fuck them all. If burning it to the ground is what must be done, I'll bring the salt and a wheelbarrow to move stones.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 04, 2023 12:39 PM (17s+e)

177 Remember how Republicans defunded Planned Parenthood when Trump was President and they controlled both houses?

How about the funding for the border wall?
Posted by: Jay in PA at October 04, 2023 12:36 PM (i7Q7S)

The Uniparty didn't want that plan. But, they'll follow the Ace plan, whatever that is.

Posted by: WOPR at October 04, 2023 12:39 PM (WFJRS)

178 Can we though at least understand that not every Republican in Congress is some hard right politician willing to take unpopular stands and lose office?

A Speaker is not some king that gets to decide how everyone votes. If you want to know why say Ukraine aid still flowed, it was probably because 100+ Republicans want it to flow. Not because of just McCarthy. And if you want to punish Republicans for this and hand it over to Democrats, it would be in the trillions in aid.

If you just let every vote be a free for all, my guess is there is an easy liberal majority on most things in Congress when it comes to spending.

A Speaker isn't just a vote tabulator. We have machines for that. He's supposed to be a leader, keep his promises, and set an agenda. McCarthy failed on all counts.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2023 12:39 PM (I/Qkd)

179 Enter Don "The Builder" Trump who has, get this, built things.

Posted by: uniparty, Raping and Mutilating the Children They Do Not Kill at October 04, 2023 12:40 PM (gxokI)

180 We haven't broken a single fucking thing yet, not anything important. So we got read of one incompetent grifter, that's not "breaking shit", that's just doing the bare minimum required to one day start actually Breaking Shit.

So if we ever start actually "breaking shit" then I'll be glad to consider when would be a good time to stop - but we still haven't even started.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 04, 2023 12:40 PM (i9ffA)

181 Speaker Muldoon would be awesome. All House business would have to be conducted in limerick form.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2023 12:40 PM (xTRSc)

182 First thing we should break when we actually start breaking things:

The door between the people and the vote counters in Philadelphia.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 12:40 PM (LvTSG)

183 Who is the man that would risk his neck for his brother man?
Who's the cat that won't cop out when there's danger all about?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 04, 2023 12:38 PM (63Dwl)

Mr. Belvedere?

Posted by: Robert with a perfectly modest proposal at October 04, 2023 12:41 PM (+Ar82)

184 All I'll say at the moment is I love hearing from all the former GOP members and leaders lamenting this "chaos" and horrorshow from Conservatives who destroyed the Party by helping the DNC. If nothing else, we should all look to their wisdom, insight, and purity to find and relive the guidance from those who made the GOP what it is.

Three Cheers for People Who Can't Find Their Asses With Both Hands!

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at October 04, 2023 12:41 PM (aXxgO)

185 What exactly did the last two Republican dominated federal governments (GWB 2002-2004, Trump 2016-201

actually deliver? I recall two horrible wars, the Patriot Act, the Dept. of Homeland Security, the TSA, John Roberts, Medicare Part D, mega federal spending, no funding for border security, no immigration reform, no accountability for Big Tech mafia tactics, collusion with Democrats to destroy then President Trump, not a single pro-2A bill passed, and no repeal of Obamacare. So, other than one great SCOTUS judge (Alito, and that required beating back GWB's favorite choice of Harriet Meiers), three so-so SCOTUS judges, and mixed bag of lower court picks, what am I missing? Oh, right! A massive corporate tax cut! Boy howdy! I can't wait to get back to the "winning" days!

Posted by: PacosMojo at October 04, 2023 12:41 PM (N6PeL)

186 I could go on but I just don't see that. This has all been the uniparty's doing. So fuck them all. If burning it to the ground is what must be done, I'll bring the salt and a wheelbarrow to move stones.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 04, 2023 12:39 PM (17s+e)

They've already broken the system. You can't fix something the other side (Uniparty) keeps breaking. So, your only choice is to bring chaos to their plans.

Posted by: WOPR at October 04, 2023 12:41 PM (WFJRS)

187 Yep. Being in the minority means the GOP doesn't have to do a damn thing, but they still have access to money and power (within their limited scope). And NONE of the responsibility required for getting things done.

"Welp, we tried, but we just couldn't get anything passed! Send money!"

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 04, 2023 12:33 PM (YIVH2)

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"You need to give us 3/2s of 5/3rds of the government first before we can do anything!"

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at October 04, 2023 12:41 PM (4dQ1V)

188 Speaker Muldoon would be awesome. All House business would have to be conducted in limerick form.

Seconded!

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at October 04, 2023 12:41 PM (Bd6X8)

189 Remember how Republicans defunded Planned Parenthood when Trump was President and they controlled both houses?

How about the funding for the border wall?
Posted by: Jay in PA

____

Remember Trump saying he was against defunding Planned Parenthood?

I'm always amazed how people have a narrative in their head that's completely false.

“Look, Planned Parenthood has done very good work for many, many — for millions of women,” Trump said in a news conference Tuesday night. “And I’ll say it, and I know a lot of the so-called conservatives, they say that’s really … cause I’m a conservative, but I’m a common-sense conservative.”

https://tinyurl.com/573ct39w

Posted by: Blago at October 04, 2023 12:41 PM (MRyUU)

190 Jack Poso
@JackPosobiec
2h

If Jordan becomes Speaker, give Judiciary Committee to Gaetz and let him loose on Hunter Biden and J6

Posted by: Dr. T at October 04, 2023 12:41 PM (bhRsz)

191 I see that question: what's the plan?

------------

The plan was to oust the Speaker.

Judging by the results, it was well executed.

Posted by: SH (Will Not Serve As Speaker) at October 04, 2023 12:41 PM (sX1BW)

192 No one seems very interested in the building-shit part. It's always about the breaking.

No one in DC gives a damn about building OUR shit. They're all about US building THEIR shit.

Nothing EVER gets broken. Nothing in DC has gone away. No agencies have had their spending cut. The MIC and Pharma still get billions. More regulations to bind us every damn day.

Nothing EVER gets broken. Even the assholes who can be demonstrated to have broken the law get away with nothing.

Nothing EVER gets broken. Even this is a minor hiccup in the career of an asshole who's been in office for 16 years and accomplished nothing other than having the shortest tenure as Speaker.

Nothing EVER gets broken.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 04, 2023 12:41 PM (z99Zw)

193 First thing we should break when we actually start breaking things:

The door between the people and the vote counters in Philadelphia.

And Atlanta, Milwaukee, Detroit, and Phoenix.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2023 12:42 PM (2ocoG)

194 I'm just hoping this doesn't screw up whatever progress the select subcommittee on the coronavirus was making. And my big suspicion is this big artificial drama was meant to stop it.

You don't distract by talking about what you're distracting from.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at October 04, 2023 12:42 PM (gHSfI)

195 If you just let every vote be a free for all, my guess is there is an easy liberal majority on most things in Congress when it comes to spending.

A Speaker isn't just a vote tabulator. We have machines for that. He's supposed to be a leader, keep his promises, and set an agenda. McCarthy failed on all counts.
Posted by: Archimedes
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Blago is AOS resident Jim Cramer except on politics.

Posted by: whig at October 04, 2023 12:42 PM (4R3Gm)

196 Chaos is mentioned here. Please take hard look at Fetterman in the Senate and speak of Chaos.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 04, 2023 12:42 PM (ur899)

197 its not like it can get much worse

Posted by: Fallujah Socialist Club- Antifa at October 04, 2023 12:43 PM (3TalN)

198 I could go on but I just don't see that. This has all been the uniparty's doing. So fuck them all. If burning it to the ground is what must be done, I'll bring the salt and a wheelbarrow to move stones.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 04, 2023 12:39 PM (17s+e)

They've already broken the system. You can't fix something the other side (Uniparty) keeps breaking. So, your only choice is to bring chaos to their plans.
Posted by: WOPR at October 04, 2023 12:41 PM (WFJRS)

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"Burn It Down" attitude > "Break Shit" attitude

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at October 04, 2023 12:43 PM (4dQ1V)

199 Bring it on!

Posted by: McCarthy at October 04, 2023 12:43 PM (G5u+7)

200 "They think all the stuff about Joe being gropey is a Putin dossier, while all accusations against Republicans are true."

We've got video of him groping the chest of at least one little girl, and of him macking on plenty of other kids. GOP doesn't use those nukes. Any dems who deny Joe is a groper haven't seen the videos!

Posted by: gp's Creme-Filled Ballot Drops at October 04, 2023 12:43 PM (MvF+J)

201 It's Us Vs Them - the part the Gope Leadership thinks applies to the Freedom Caucus.

Posted by: Igotnothing at October 04, 2023 12:43 PM (D5AZF)

202 Here are the House Republicans who voted to oust McCarthy:
Andy Biggs of Arizona.
Ken Buck of Colorado.
Tim Burchett of Tennessee.
Eli Crane of Arizona.
Matt Gaetz of Florida.
Bob Good of Virginia.
Nancy Mace of South Carolina.
Matt Rosendale of Montana.

Notice someone missing?
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2023 12:36 PM (I/Qkd)

I love Bob Good. Such a great VA rep. Man, it's too bad he can't be the speaker...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 04, 2023 12:43 PM (exHjb)

203 I could go on but I just don't see that. This has all been the uniparty's doing. So fuck them all. If burning it to the ground is what must be done, I'll bring the salt and a wheelbarrow to move stones.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 04, 2023 12:39 PM (17s+e)
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Amen. The Uniparty is like a wild man swinging an axe in a china shop. Then people start complaining about the person who stops him.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 04, 2023 12:43 PM (T5lnw)

204 Ken Buck, RINO, CO??? He was part of the 8? I’m surprised

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 04, 2023 12:43 PM (m6dV4)

205 Let's build shit? Wait! We tried that with Reagan......got fucked.
Tried that with Classs of 94'.....got fucked.
Tried supporting W through his BS war......got fucked.
Tried that with the TEA Party.........got fucked.
Tried that with MAGA/Trump.......got fucked.

We've tried to build something repeatedly showing these scumbag cocksuckers how to win elections. We get fucked and tossed overboard every time. How many fucking "plans" do we have to come up with?

Posted by: JROD at October 04, 2023 12:44 PM (IlL6s)

206 All I'll say at the moment is I love hearing from all the former GOP members and leaders lamenting this "chaos" and horrorshow from Conservatives who destroyed the Party by helping the DNC. If nothing else, we should all look to their wisdom, insight, and purity to find and relive the guidance from those who made the GOP what it is.

Three Cheers for People Who Can't Find Their Asses With Both Hands!
Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at October 04, 2023 12:41 PM (aXxgO)

Paul Ryan 4 Speaker!!!
-Newt Gingrich, probably

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 04, 2023 12:44 PM (CIS44)

207 "I'm always amazed how people have a narrative in their head that's completely false."

==============

What do you think is completely false?

I pointed out that total GOP control didn't get much.

Posted by: Jay in PA at October 04, 2023 12:44 PM (i7Q7S)

208 (hell, it sounds like the ladies with Ashley's diary were convicted in Florida).

IIRC, Ashley was living with a male friend...because she's an unstable person.

When she moved out she left behind her diary.

Another women moved in with the male friend, found the diary, realized what was in it and turned it over to the press.

And for that the second woman has been arrested...

Posted by: 18-1 at October 04, 2023 12:44 PM (XqcwY)

209 A Speaker isn't just a vote tabulator. We have machines for that. He's supposed to be a leader, keep his promises, and set an agenda. McCarthy failed on all counts.
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2023 12:39 PM (I/Qkd)

McCarthy was in control of his own destiny. Speaker Pelosi had no problem with drawing up Articles of Impeachment herself against Trump, for instance. What took McCarthy so long? He could have at least impeached Mayorkas for what was done at the border, and he couldn't even be bothered to do that.

If he spent the last eight months acting as a wartime consigliere against Biden, the caucus probably would have given him the space to make a deal. He didn't, and the caucus didn't want any more mush from the wimp.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 04, 2023 12:44 PM (/iWhV)

210 Garth - Oops. Anyways....

Posted by: Igotnothing at October 04, 2023 12:44 PM (D5AZF)

211 Remember Trump saying he was against defunding Planned Parenthood?

I'm always amazed how people have a narrative in their head that's completely false.

“Look, Planned Parenthood has done very good work for many, many — for millions of women,” Trump said in a news conference Tuesday night. “And I’ll say it, and I know a lot of the so-called conservatives, they say that’s really … cause I’m a conservative, but I’m a common-sense conservative.”

https://tinyurl.com/573ct39w
Posted by: Blago at October 04, 2023 12:41 PM (MRyUU)

Trump positions as a moderate. What's your point?

Climate change is another great example of where Trump sounds very wishy washy but did what his voters wanted.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 04, 2023 12:44 PM (eYoxG)

212 Correct me If I'm wrong here but if Trump is SotH and Biden is impeached/impaired and Kamala is similarly out, doesn't Trump become President?

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at October 04, 2023 12:44 PM (z+89e)

213 I find it hard to hear all these conservative commentators, pundits, etc. who have been railing about the evil Democrats for years all now saying how unwise and foolhardy this move is. If not now, when????

Listening to Mark Levin on this is infuriating. Suddenly he's an establishment man, touting all the great things McCarthy's bill did.

I side with the people saying trillion dollar deficits and no real border wall/protection can't stand, and if you can't get at least 50% of what you want getting 10% is not an accomplishment (and that 10 would likely never happen anyway given history as our guide).

Hit the king in the head, Ace, or admit permanent defeat.

Posted by: Lex at October 04, 2023 12:44 PM (fMN7A)

214 Anyone else comparing Gaetz to the Underpants Gnomes right now?
1. Move to Vacate the Speaker's Chair
2. ???
3. Republicans get what they want!

Posted by: Octochicken at October 04, 2023 12:44 PM (oCS0o)

215 Also, WRT the House in Crisis, why is that a problem all of a sudden? Ever notice "leadership" (and the zombies who blindly follow) doesn't do squat until a crisis either exists or is manufactured? It's standard operating procedure!

Nothing worthwhile would ever get done without crisis. It's an absolute necessity.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at October 04, 2023 12:44 PM (aXxgO)

216 Bing up
Anna Paulina Luna Feet

Luna is definitely under-rated.
Especially if you a foot and gun thing going.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at October 04, 2023 12:44 PM (0ltTR)

217 Bulgaroctonus… you’re funny! LoL

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 04, 2023 12:44 PM (m6dV4)

218 Ken Buck, RINO, CO??? He was part of the 8? I’m surprised

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 04, 2023 12:43 PM (m6dV4)

Liz Cheney's pal.

Posted by: BignJames at October 04, 2023 12:45 PM (AwYPR)

219 Ken Buck, RINO, CO??? He was part of the 8? I’m surprised

He's trying to get frisky with Nancy Mace.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2023 12:45 PM (I/Qkd)

220 But I am getting very tired of the constant "let's break shit" attitude. I have long shared this attitude. But after six years of "let's break shit" all the time, I'm kind of noticing that our situation is not actually improving.

Team GOP hasn't fixed shit in 20+ years. Produced a budget? No. Repealed Obamacare when they had all three branches? No. Reduced spending? Nope. Surrendered or withdrawn at at every opportunity to advance? Yessir, just look at Mittens and Ryan vs Obama and Biden, or the mass retirement of the congress after PDTS took office. You don't even have to look at the conniving and backstabbing Team GOP has done since 2016.

News flash, friend...our situation isn't gonna improve until shit gets broken, starting with Team GOP.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 04, 2023 12:45 PM (YRsIm)

221 Bipartisan solution is always give Dems 90% of what they want.

Posted by: Montec at October 04, 2023 12:45 PM (YrGbn)

222 This blue-eyed blonde in red underwear doubts things will get better, but is pretty pleased to see McCarthy get hamstrung by his buddies because of his grave miscalculation:
https://is.gd/z30fTu

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 04, 2023 12:45 PM (t0OGg)

223 The GOPe seems to have no idea how to form a coalition.

I'm fine with chaos for as long as it takes just in the hopes that the GOPe gets broken. We have enough of a voting bloc to keep them from power unless they team with the Dems, and McCarthy apparently couldn't even do that.

That feels like our side is at the cusp of actual leverage. That the GOPe will *have* to shift our way because the left has gone so far left that they can't crossover even to ensure the speaker is moderately favorable to them.

I have no idea where this small wave of personal optimism came from but let me cling to it for a couple minutes please.

Posted by: TexasDan at October 04, 2023 12:45 PM (0RqS2)

224 McCarthy was garbage. We’ll move on. Everything will stay the same. It will be a shit sandwich as usual for the American people.

Posted by: Seems legit at October 04, 2023 12:45 PM (DcKNO)

225 156 Happening Now: Rep Troy Nehls of Texas announced he will be filing the paperwork to make Trump the Speaker of the House. US Law allows for anyone to serve as Speaker, even if they’re not a member of Congress.

He released the following statement: “This week, when the U.S. House of Representatives reconvenes, my first order of business will be to nominate Donald J. Trump for Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives.”

Not US Law, but the Constitution. It just says the House will "chuse" its Speaker and that's it.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at October 04, 2023 12:45 PM (8sMut)

226 I don't see this as glorious, but I do think it was necessary. To me it's simple: McCarthy promised a return to regular order. He broke that. He goes.

End of sermon.

Posted by: Eeyore at October 04, 2023 12:46 PM (brAQZ)

227 221 Bipartisan solution is always give Dems 90% of what they want.
Posted by: Montec at October 04, 2023 12:45 PM (YrGbn)

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Incorrect.

It is adding one more block into the building that is the American Panopticon while ensuring that donors get plenty of graft.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 12:46 PM (LvTSG)

228 Yes, you can add the Obamacare repeal to the list.

What a total embarrassment that was.

Posted by: Jay in PA at October 04, 2023 12:46 PM (i7Q7S)

229 Anyone else comparing Gaetz to the Underpants Gnomes right now?
1. Move to Vacate the Speaker's Chair
2. ???
3. Republicans get what they want!

As opposed to McCarthy's plan:
1. Let the Democrats do what they want, and also suck Frank Luntz's wang
2. ???
3. Suck Frank Luntz's wang some more

Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2023 12:46 PM (2ocoG)

230 McCarthy stabbed us in the back earlier with that huge omnibus spending, (where he gave Democrats unlimited money?). Then instead of doing the 12 more specific bills, he did the CR, passed with 99% Dem support, while I think 90 Rs voted no.

Punishing McCarthy for this is necessary, it is not "breaking things". I guess it is breaking broken things, but that has to be done. imo ... no idea if it will change much.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 04, 2023 12:46 PM (Cus5s)

231 Flashback: Gingrich sitting on a bench with Granny Rictus talking about the evils of climate change.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 04, 2023 12:46 PM (l10hq)

232 He didn't, and the caucus didn't want any more mush from the wimp.

Heh. One of the classic, if inadvertant, lines.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2023 12:47 PM (I/Qkd)

233 Anyone else notice that this is the exact same conversation we had with the Budweiser boycott?

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 04, 2023 12:47 PM (fKIdX)

234 Mark Levin is NeoCON, book peddling charlatan who was among the many Fox News personalities that benefited from the ouster of Tucker Carlson.

Posted by: PacosMojo at October 04, 2023 12:47 PM (N6PeL)

235 222 This blue-eyed blonde in red underwear doubts things will get better, but is pretty pleased to see McCarthy get hamstrung by his buddies because of his grave miscalculation:
https://is.gd/z30fTu
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 04, 2023 12:45 PM (t0OGg)

======

Unattractively too skinny.

2/10

Would not bang.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 12:47 PM (LvTSG)

236 213 I find it hard to hear all these conservative commentators, pundits, etc. who have been railing about the evil Democrats for years all now saying how unwise and foolhardy this move is. If not now, when????

Listening to Mark Levin on this is infuriating. Suddenly he's an establishment man, touting all the great things McCarthy's bill did.

I side with the people saying trillion dollar deficits and no real border wall/protection can't stand, and if you can't get at least 50% of what you want getting 10% is not an accomplishment (and that 10 would likely never happen anyway given history as our guide).

Hit the king in the head, Ace, or admit permanent defeat.
Posted by: Lex at October 04, 2023 12:44 PM (fMN7A)

Once upon a time, Mark Levin was the avant-garde. Over time, however, he's just become the garde.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 04, 2023 12:47 PM (/iWhV)

237 Dems: we want X

GOPe: hold on there we can’t do that. How about 50% of x

Dems: make it 90% and you have a deal

GOPe: done!!

That night GOPe goes on Fox News to boast how they made a bipartisan deal with the Dems and fought hard for conservatives.

Posted by: Montec at October 04, 2023 12:48 PM (YrGbn)

238 As opposed to McCarthy's plan:
1. Let the Democrats do what they want, and also suck Frank Luntz's wang
2. ???
3. Suck Frank Luntz's wang some more
Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2023 12:46 PM (2ocoG)
++++
LOL

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 04, 2023 12:48 PM (t0OGg)

239 Not US Law, but the Constitution. It just says the House will "chuse" its Speaker and that's it.

Guess they had Spellcheck turned off when they typed that.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2023 12:48 PM (xTRSc)

240 If voted Speaker, I promise not to pass any spending bills.
In fact, my first act will be to declare the House in recess until Jan 3, 2025.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 04, 2023 12:48 PM (3qoAC)

241 Trump positions as a moderate. What's your point?

Climate change is another great example of where Trump sounds very wishy washy but did what his voters wanted.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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So you'll support Republicans that praise Planned Parenthood and push back on efforts to defund? Because it's 4D chess?

Trump did the same with ObamaCare, said he wanted to mend it, not end it.

Posted by: Blago at October 04, 2023 12:48 PM (MRyUU)

242
I can't help but think that having the next GOPe SotH more terrified of the conservative base than the Donk commie cocksuckers is a good thing.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 04, 2023 12:48 PM (n+4am)

243 240 If voted Speaker, I promise not to pass any spending bills.
In fact, my first act will be to declare the House in recess until Jan 3, 2025.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 04, 2023 12:48 PM (3qoAC)

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Can I vote for you to be God Emperor?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 12:48 PM (LvTSG)

244 Why the hell can't we primary these idiots?
Posted by: Dr. T at October 04, 2023 12:37 PM

It's being done in TX District 23. Vote for gun control, get primaried by the AK Guy.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at October 04, 2023 12:48 PM (FVJNG)

245 I have no idea where this small wave of personal optimism came from but let me cling to it for a couple minutes please.

This is not the AOSHQ way.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2023 12:49 PM (I/Qkd)

246 I personally would enjoy a real shutdown. Pretty sure Biden would flourish as a voice of reason.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 04, 2023 12:49 PM (ur899)

247 Once upon a time, Mark Levin was the avant-garde. Over time, however, he's just become the garde.
Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 04, 2023 12:47 PM (/iWhV)
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"It went from cutting edge to butter knife."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 04, 2023 12:49 PM (t0OGg)

248 BTW, I'm not nearly as enthusiastic about Matt Gaetz's scheme as some commenters are. I think at some point the chaos agenda becomes extremely counterproductive.
Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 01:15 PM

From a bigger picture perspective, this is why that cannot work: ever since the 90's (at least), the Left has seized on *any* plans to bring about fiscal responsibility and shrieked "THEY ARE GOING TO CUT YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY! THEY ARE GOING TO CUT YOUR MEDICAID!" and anyone who supported such a plan loses every election by a huge margin. Note: NO fiscally responsible plan is possible without reforming those two. End Note. SO - it is impossible to put forward any concrete plan to "fix" things and win an election, that is a sad reality. That means that the ONLY successful tactic left is to destroy everything possible and announce NO plans at all. Just go for being in a position of power when it comes time to pick up the pieces. (that's what the Left is already doing, of course)

It's all going to collapse no matter what we do, that's why its a waste of time to worry about "solutions" or "building" right now. The burning times have to come first.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 04, 2023 12:49 PM (i9ffA)

249 Jack Poso
@JackPosobiec
2h

If Jordan becomes Speaker, give Judiciary Committee to Gaetz and let him loose on Hunter Biden and J6

Posted by: Dr. T at October 04, 2023 12:41 PM (bhRsz)

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The fact that Hunter Biden hasn't yet been called/subpoenaed to testify before the committee is everything you need to know about McCarthy and Jordan and Comer and the rest of the Failure Theater Gang.
Theater gang

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at October 04, 2023 12:49 PM (pM61R)

250 Even Yoko can't stand Mark Levin's voice.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2023 12:49 PM (xTRSc)

251 Trump doesn't say no.

WATCH: Trump talks about being asked to be House Speaker: “We'll do whatever's best for the country and for the Republican Party" 👀

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 04, 2023 12:49 PM (FVME7)

252 "I'm not nearly as enthusiastic about Matt Gaetz's scheme as some commenters are"

That is because you still retain hope for a better tomorrow.

Once you get beyond that you can rejoice in the occasional destruction of the traitors. Small gifts in the darkening gloom.

Posted by: Next2Nothing at October 04, 2023 12:49 PM (tA1/w)

253 I see that question: what's the plan?

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The plan was to oust the Speaker.

Judging by the results, it was well executed.

Posted by: SH (Will Not Serve As Speaker)
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Also get Nanzi Palsi and Steny Holler kicked out of the special rooms... and also finish his dinner.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 04, 2023 12:49 PM (17s+e)

254 If voted Speaker, I promise not to pass any spending bills.
In fact, my first act will be to declare the House in recess until Jan 3, 2025.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 04, 2023 12:48 PM (3qoAC)

You have my vote.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2023 12:49 PM (2ocoG)

255 House Republicans partnered with Democrats to form the "Problem Solvers Caucus" (PSC) in January 2017, as a counter to the supposedly extreme-MAGA agenda of Donald Trump

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o_O

That's a real thing?

Like a bunch of 6th graders, they formed a group to designated themselves the Kool Kidz and the complete opposite of the loser not-cool kids that, interestingly, they had designated as such.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 04, 2023 12:49 PM (rPwrh)

256 "BTW, I'm not nearly as enthusiastic about Matt Gaetz's scheme as some commenters are. I think at some point the chaos agenda becomes extremely counterproductive."

I hear ya. Personally, for a time I prefer a little chaos rather than following the democrats lead on everything like they have done for the last 50 years(Trump and Reagan aside).

Posted by: Danimal28 at October 04, 2023 12:49 PM (klw0w)

257 Not US Law, but the Constitution. It just says the House will "chuse" its Speaker and that's it.

Guess they had Spellcheck turned off when they typed that.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2023 12:48 PM (xTRSc)
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Little known fact: "chuse" is an archaic term that means the Speaker must conform to the Dems' agenda in all things, even if the Speaker is selected from a minority party.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 04, 2023 12:50 PM (YIVH2)

258 I have an idea for the 'Problem Solvers Caucus'. All of you Republicans take the hands of your Democrat counterparts and jump off of the nearest cliff. Please ensure that it is high enough that none of you limp out alive.

This would be the beginning to solve a lot of problems.

Posted by: Cheri at October 04, 2023 12:50 PM (oiNtH)

259 The last great Speaker was Newt Gingrich. Tom Delay was decent also.

Posted by: Blago at October 04, 2023 12:50 PM (MRyUU)

260 I personally would enjoy a real shutdown. Pretty sure Biden would flourish as a voice of reason.
Posted by: Puddinhead at October 04, 2023 12:49 PM (ur899)
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Had McCarthy opted for shutdown instead of continuing the CR nonsense, he would likely still be Speaker.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 04, 2023 12:50 PM (t0OGg)

261 Can I vote for you to be God Emperor?

It's not all it's cracked up to be, trust me.

Posted by: Puyi at October 04, 2023 12:50 PM (xTRSc)

262 233 Anyone else notice that this is the exact same conversation we had with the Budweiser boycott?
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 04, 2023 12:47 PM (fKIdX)

Yup, and those of us on the right side were vindicated...
I think that will again happen...Gaetz did good - whether it was for the right reasons, I don't care, b/c it was the right act.

And I congratulate him for giving cover to all the Freedom Caucus folks that needed it, and still getting the vote win.

You know Kevin announced he wouldn't run again b/c he had FAR more R votes against him than voted against him. But if they had voted against, they could not be in the running for this new speaker spot. So, Gaetz found just the votes he needed and no more - the man can count votes better than Kevin...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 04, 2023 12:50 PM (exHjb)

263 260 I personally would enjoy a real shutdown. Pretty sure Biden would flourish as a voice of reason.
Posted by: Puddinhead at October 04, 2023 12:49 PM (ur899)
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Had McCarthy opted for shutdown instead of continuing the CR nonsense, he would likely still be Speaker.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 04, 2023 12:50 PM (t0OGg)

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But the NYT would be saying mean things about him.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 12:51 PM (LvTSG)

264 Mark levin is shilling his book.

His final sentence in a rant about his anger at McCarthy getting the boot was, “the bill was the best we’ve had in years! It wouldn’t pass the Senate, but it’s something to negotiate with!”

OFFS

Posted by: Seems legit at October 04, 2023 12:51 PM (DcKNO)

265 Tried with Barry Goldwater........got fucked.
Tried with Reagan at the 76' GOP convention....got fucked.

These were all plans to build something. We've been trying to take over the GOP since the mid-sixties. Hasn't worked.

I've got a plan. Burn the GOP to the ground. Destroy it.

Posted by: JROD at October 04, 2023 12:51 PM (IlL6s)

266 As opposed to McCarthy's plan:
1. Let the Democrats do what they want, and also suck Frank Luntz's wang
2. ???
3. Suck Frank Luntz's wang some more
Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2023 12:46 PM (2ocoG)

The P.S.C. strikes again!

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 04, 2023 12:51 PM (fKIdX)

267 BTW, I'm not nearly as enthusiastic about Matt Gaetz's scheme as some commenters are. I think at some point the chaos agenda becomes extremely counterproductive.

I guess the question becomes, counterproductive for whom? I doubt yesterday's events will make my life any worse.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 04, 2023 12:51 PM (z99Zw)

268 "I'm not nearly as enthusiastic about Matt Gaetz's scheme as some commenters are"

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I always figured the first step to rebuilding a burned-out shell was to remove the arsonists and looters from the premises.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 04, 2023 12:51 PM (rPwrh)

269 I can't help but think that having the next GOPe SotH more terrified of the conservative base than the Donk commie cocksuckers is a good thing.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 04, 2023 12:48 PM (n+4am)
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This! SO MUCH THIS!

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 04, 2023 12:51 PM (17s+e)

270 New speaker should be Scalise. Conservative but not a Trump bootlicker.

Posted by: Theo at October 04, 2023 12:52 PM (X9Q2K)

271 241 Trump positions as a moderate. What's your point?

Climate change is another great example of where Trump sounds very wishy washy but did what his voters wanted.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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So you'll support Republicans that praise Planned Parenthood and push back on efforts to defund? Because it's 4D chess?

Trump did the same with ObamaCare, said he wanted to mend it, not end it.
Posted by: Blago at October 04, 2023 12:48 PM (MRyUU)

It's not 4D chess, Trump literally just campaigns to the Left of where he governs. We're just accustomed to Republicans largely campaigning to the Right of where they govern.

Most of us remember the Trump administration. The concerns based on things he said, which really covered much of the spectrum on any given issue, turned out to be invalid. Trump is not an unknown quantity anymore.

I care about what people do rather than what they say. The Republican who campaigns as a firebreather is usually no different from the one who campaigns as a moderate.

Republicans ultimately got nothing to Trump's desk on Obamacare.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 04, 2023 12:52 PM (eYoxG)

272 Ken Buck, RINO, CO??? He was part of the 8? I’m surprised
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 04, 2023 12:43 PM (m6dV4)

He just voted along with his party.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at October 04, 2023 12:52 PM (aD39U)

273 His final sentence in a rant about his anger at McCarthy getting the boot was, “the bill was the best we’ve had in years! It wouldn’t pass the Senate, but it’s something to negotiate with!”

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We were going to decrease the rate of increase that families are struggling with from $1000 a month to $1150 per month, when we know for a fact it was going to be $1200 without McCarthy's bill!!!

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 04, 2023 12:53 PM (rPwrh)

274 I have an idea for the 'Problem Solvers Caucus'. All of you Republicans take the hands of your Democrat counterparts and jump off of the nearest cliff. Please ensure that it is high enough that none of you limp out alive.

This would be the beginning to solve a lot of problems.

SEE!!! Inject a little chaos, and good ideas come bubbling up.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2023 12:53 PM (I/Qkd)

275 269 I can't help but think that having the next GOPe SotH more terrified of the conservative base than the Donk commie cocksuckers is a good thing.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 04, 2023 12:48 PM (n+4am)
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This! SO MUCH THIS!
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 04, 2023 12:51 PM (17s+e)

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"Undermining my own party in an election will lead to bad feelings and a weaker caucus that could imperil my favorite office. Also, Democrats won't help me."

*thinks a minute*

"Oh well. It'll probably work next time."
-my expectation

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 12:53 PM (LvTSG)

276 i find it telling that House GOP are more willing to make a deal with commie democrats rather than their own conservative caucus

Reap the whirlwind fuckheads

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at October 04, 2023 12:53 PM (VTu1l)

277
Unattractively too skinny.

2/10

Would not bang.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 12:47 PM (LvTSG)

Don't worry. I'll fling my body on the grenade to protect you...

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 04, 2023 12:54 PM (n+4am)

278 264 Mark levin is shilling his book.

His final sentence in a rant about his anger at McCarthy getting the boot was, “the bill was the best we’ve had in years! It wouldn’t pass the Senate, but it’s something to negotiate with!”

OFFS
Posted by: Seems legit at October 04, 2023 12:51 PM (DcKNO)

I turned that schmuck off the moment he said on his show that he LOVES his FOX colleague Jen Griffin's reportage. The same Jen Griffin who co-signed off on the obviously false 'Trump insulted the military' quip on the way to Normandy.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at October 04, 2023 12:54 PM (/iWhV)

279 I think what's more likely to happen from this is bipartisan mush that is much more of a liberal outcome than just working with what we had.

Think "Gang of 8" style Senate where 20 moderates in the House run everything.

McCarthy did make some headway. He stopped Trump's student loan pause and clawed back billions in Trump's Covid funding.

Posted by: Blago at October 04, 2023 12:54 PM (MRyUU)

280 They can announce the new speaker's name on the EAS test broadcast in a coupla hours.

Posted by: gp's Creme-Filled Ballot Drops at October 04, 2023 12:54 PM (MvF+J)

281 Even Yoko can't stand Mark Levin's voice.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2023 12:49 PM

LOL. Their duet is going to be lit!

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 04, 2023 12:54 PM (5RO7A)

282 If the Speaker is not an elected member of the House, does he get paid?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 04, 2023 12:54 PM (3qoAC)

283 No one has ever been cucked as hard as McCarthy was by Pelosi.

She conned him out of his job by promising him support she did not provide, and she did it while squatting in his own office.

How many years has McCarthy been in DC and he still can't figure out what Pelosi is?

Idiot!

Posted by: Thatch at October 04, 2023 12:55 PM (NJ0Uv)

284 Newt Gingrich.

Newt The Flute?
TOOT TOOT!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff in solidarity with the struggle to maintain Moron standards at October 04, 2023 12:55 PM (Riq8+)

285 276 i find it telling that House GOP are more willing to make a deal with commie democrats rather than their own conservative caucus

Reap the whirlwind fuckheads
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at October 04, 2023 12:53 PM (VTu1l)

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And they did it before the vote. McCarthy went into the situation thinking that Democrats would save him.

Because he's smart and a leader.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 12:55 PM (LvTSG)

286 i find it telling that House GOP are more willing to make a deal with commie democrats rather than their own conservative caucus

Reap the whirlwind fuckheads
Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger
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Are you talking about the 6 Republicans that voted with 100% of Democrats on who the next leader should be?

Posted by: Blago at October 04, 2023 12:55 PM (MRyUU)

287 Republicans ultimately got nothing to Trump's desk on Obamacare.

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hahahaha, yeah, no need to look any farther than that. They got something like 7 vetos of their repeal bills when they knew they could count on Obama, and when Trump was elected he said "send me a repeal bill" (because he knew he couldn't do it via EO) and they didn't do a thing.

Sorry. Didn't do a thing except talk about what to replace it with.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 04, 2023 12:55 PM (rPwrh)

288 It's all going to collapse no matter what we do, that's why its a waste of time to worry about "solutions" or "building" right now. The burning times have to come first.
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Ding ding ding. We have a winner. DC has known for years the end is nigh. Tbey dont bother to try to fix anything. Last actual budget???? Things accelerate as the end approaches. And by golly the stealing and corruption is certainly going like gangbusters these days.

Posted by: A broken record at October 04, 2023 12:55 PM (pHQD8)

289 OT - Youngkin is all in with trying to win the VA House and Senate. He has raised more money for midterms than any sitting gov in the past, including $500K from his own pocket.

Youngkin is gonna be a player in national politics very soon - definitely by 2028.

Posted by: Nova Local at October 04, 2023 12:55 PM (exHjb)

290 Wasn't Mark Levin one of the main faces condemning the Freedom Caucus running McCarthy through the ringer to make sure this new speaker didn't exclude conservatives yet again? That Levin? Yeah, I'm shocked, shocked his panties are in a bind.

I used to count on Levin to maintain the right flank. Now I don't.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at October 04, 2023 12:55 PM (aXxgO)

291 "BTW, I'm not nearly as enthusiastic about Matt Gaetz's scheme as some commenters are. I think at some point the chaos agenda becomes extremely counterproductive."

What are you talking about? Look at how successful MAGA was in the 2022 midterms, when they lost literally every contested election. The people love this.

Posted by: Theo at October 04, 2023 12:56 PM (X9Q2K)

292 And they did it before the vote. McCarthy went into the situation thinking that Democrats would save him.

Because he's smart and a leader.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 12:55 PM (LvTSG)

He is the best of us.
-GOPe

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 04, 2023 12:56 PM (CIS44)

293 Somehow, Methinks there are other great stories out there that are being ignored. It's almost like one of those thing that Barack Obama talked about ... a distraction.

The Biden administration’s now-suspended Iran envoy Robert Malley helped to fund, support, and direct an Iranian intelligence operation designed to influence the United States and allied governments, according to a trove of purloined Iranian government emails. The emails, which were reported on by veteran Wall Street Journal correspondent Jay Solomon, writing in Semafor, and by Iran International, the London-based émigré opposition outlet which is the most widely read independent news source inside Iran, were published last week after being extensively verified over a period of several months by the two outlets. They showed that Malley had helped to infiltrate an Iranian agent of influence named Ariane Tabatabai into some of the most sensitive positions in the U.S. government—first at the State Department and now the Pentagon, where she has been serving as chief of staff for the assistant secretary of defense for special operations, Christopher Maier.

Posted by: SMOD at October 04, 2023 12:56 PM (RHGPo)

294 McCarthy did make some headway. He stopped Trump's student loan pause and clawed back billions in Trump's Covid funding.
Posted by: Blago at October 04, 2023 12:54 PM (MRyUU)

I didn't realize McCarthy was Speaker while Trump was in office. The things you learn here.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 04, 2023 12:57 PM (z99Zw)

295 Perhaps he will roll up his sleeves and get something done.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at October 04, 2023 12:57 PM (XeU6L)

296 Republicans ultimately got nothing to Trump's desk on Obamacare.
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to be fair, Trump threw them under the bus. Right after he was elected, he said he wanst going to get rid of the "no prexisting conditions" part of ObamaCare. Which was the real lynchpin.

Trump said Scotlands Universal health care system worked great at a GOP debate. He's clearly not very conservative when it comes to healthcare.

FWIW, Republicans in Congress did kill the individual mandate of Obamacare.

Posted by: Blago at October 04, 2023 12:57 PM (MRyUU)

297 Sorry, not interested in forming a new Problem Solver caucus of adults in the room who will build back better after the chaos inflicted by petulant MAGAts.

When people who are not your friends hurt people who are your friends, then you call the non-friends "the enemy" and inflict pain and suffering on them. If the enemy can survive the pain, they win. If they can't, you win.

That is all politics.

There is no other version of politics.

Posted by: Joe at October 04, 2023 12:57 PM (iJZ+o)

298 I can't help but think that having the next GOPe SotH more terrified of the conservative base than the Donk commie cocksuckers is a good thing.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 04, 2023 12:48 PM (n+4am)
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This! SO MUCH THIS!
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 04, 2023 12:51 PM

Times eleventy! I don't think it's some "breaking shit" crazy earth shattering move. I think at the very least it will give the next Squish pause before stabbing us in the back. So for that I salute.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 04, 2023 12:57 PM (5RO7A)

299 From a bigger picture perspective, this is why that cannot work: ever since the 90's (at least), the Left has seized on *any* plans to bring about fiscal responsibility and shrieked "THEY ARE GOING TO CUT YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY! THEY ARE GOING TO CUT YOUR MEDICAID!" and anyone who supported such a plan loses every election by a huge margin. Note: NO fiscally responsible plan is possible without reforming those two. End Note. SO - it is impossible to put forward any concrete plan to "fix" things and win an election, that is a sad reality. That means that the ONLY successful tactic left is to destroy everything possible and announce NO plans at all. Just go for being in a position of power when it comes time to pick up the pieces. (that's what the Left is already doing, of course)

It's all going to collapse no matter what we do, that's why its a waste of time to worry about "solutions" or "building" right now. The burning times have to come first.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 04, 2023 12:49 PM (i9ffA)
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Re-Quoted For Truth.

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at October 04, 2023 12:58 PM (4dQ1V)

300 No on Jordan.
Decent guy. Great wrestler.
Wont see Jim take on Google et al---the handmaidens of State censorship. He's too close and too protective of Silicon Valley interests.
Beyond policy he will not excite anyone to do anything. Again, honest guy who is dry as dirt.
We must do better.

Posted by: Voter theater. at October 04, 2023 12:58 PM (2kqBN)

301 LOL. Their duet is going to be lit!

*Inarticulate screeching* "Mr. Hannity? *Inarticulate screeching* "Mr. Hannity?" *Inarticulate screeching*

Posted by: Citizen Cake at October 04, 2023 12:58 PM (CwhoI)

302 Just let me put the tip of my caucus inside you.

Posted by: Democrats at October 04, 2023 12:58 PM (vJRHj)

303 hahahaha, yeah, no need to look any farther than that. They got something like 7 vetos of their repeal bills when they knew they could count on Obama, and when Trump was elected he said "send me a repeal bill" (because he knew he couldn't do it via EO) and they didn't do a thing.

Sorry. Didn't do a thing except talk about what to replace it with.
Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 04, 2023 12:55 PM (rPwrh)

Didnt they pass a one page bill that said 'this act repeals obamacare' like 12x when they knew it wouldnt succeed. But get the 3 levers and *crickets*

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 04, 2023 12:58 PM (CIS44)

304 Are you talking about the 6 Republicans that voted with 100% of Democrats on who the next leader should be?
Posted by: Blago at October 04, 2023 12:55 PM (MRyUU)

Do you always lie or are you just oblivious. They didn't vote on who the next Speaker should be. They voted on who the CURRENT Speaker SHOULD NOT be.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 04, 2023 12:58 PM (z99Zw)

305 I didn't realize McCarthy was Speaker while Trump was in office. The things you learn here.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic
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Trump made an Executive Order to defer student loan payments.

McCarthy finally forced the loan payment to resume in the last budget deal with Biden.

Posted by: Blago at October 04, 2023 12:58 PM (MRyUU)

306 Today, after waking up and perusing the political news, I still find myself approving of the chaos in congress and especially the GOPe. It's passed time that this happens.

Anyone who thinks that trying to change the status quo in DC without blood, mud, and screaming is either ignorant or willfully stupid.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at October 04, 2023 12:59 PM (BdMk6)

307 Never thought I'd see the day when I said "f*** Newt Gingrich", but:

"96% of Republicans voted for McCarthy. 4% voted against him. From my position as a longtime republican activist, they are traitors. All eight of them should, in fact, be primaried. They should all be driven out of public life. What they did was go to the other team to cause utter chaos."

Posted by: Gran at October 04, 2023 12:59 PM (GM3/s)

308 Counterpoint: This is the federal government we are talking about. Chaos, at this point, is the best we can hope for. Chaos soaks up their time and energy. Time and energy they are usually using to fuck things up.

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at October 04, 2023 01:00 PM (5C4od)

309 259 The last great Speaker was Newt Gingrich.
Posted by: Blago

See my #231

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 04, 2023 01:00 PM (l10hq)

310 "no prexisting conditions" was a trap.

It's almost impossible to end it once it is there. I once thought it was possible but when I ran it by my friends and relatives, the response was "absolutely no way" getting rid of it.

Posted by: SMOD at October 04, 2023 01:00 PM (RHGPo)

311 Decent guy. Great wrestler.

Hope his coach wasn't Hastert.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2023 01:00 PM (xTRSc)

312 If you vote with all the Democrats to remove the Republican Speaker, going against 95%+ of the Republican Caucus, then maybe YOU are the RINO.

Posted by: A person afraid of the LGBTQ lobby at October 04, 2023 01:00 PM (5DTn7)

313 words, words, words, Trump, Trump Trump

An Obamacare repeal bill never made it to Trump's desk when (R)s controlled both the House and Senate.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 04, 2023 01:00 PM (rPwrh)

314 Bipartisanship had always meant Dems get to be partisan, Republicans get to be bi.

Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2023 01:00 PM (A0ce3)

315 312 If you vote with all the Democrats to remove the Republican Speaker, going against 95%+ of the Republican Caucus, then maybe YOU are the RINO.
Posted by: A person afraid of the LGBTQ lobby at October 04, 2023 01:00 PM (5DTn7)

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Conservatives are the RINOs. Have been for a while.

Conservatives have no real party.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 01:01 PM (LvTSG)

316 Still hoping for Space aliens to shake things up.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at October 04, 2023 01:01 PM (t/2Uw)

317 i posted this yesterday but too late in the thread. better than most, anyway

https://tinyurl.com/yvzzyve5

Posted by: gnats local 678 at October 04, 2023 01:01 PM (B1FKF)

318 5th Circuit Broadens Social Media Censorship Injunction To Include Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency

“CISA—working in close connection with the FBI—held regular industry meetings with the platforms… Like the CDC for COVID-related claims, CISA told the platforms whether certain election related claims were true or false. CISA’s actions apparently led to moderation policies being altered and content being removed or demoted by the recipient platforms.”

Posted by: SMOD at October 04, 2023 01:01 PM (RHGPo)

319 The 'breaking shit" comment is telling.

Posted by: DOYLE at October 04, 2023 01:01 PM (Z8Yh2)

320 Bipartisanship had always meant Dems get to be partisan, Republicans get to be bi.
Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2023 01:00 PM (A0ce3)

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You are correct, Sir!!

Posted by: Seems legit at October 04, 2023 01:01 PM (DcKNO)

321 I think at some point the chaos agenda becomes extremely counterproductive.

This is the first time there's been a "chaos" event aimed at the Uniparty shits, and already it's too much and can't we all just get along.

Posted by: spindrift at October 04, 2023 01:01 PM (G2KPu)

322 Trump made an Executive Order to defer student loan payments.

McCarthy finally forced the loan payment to resume in the last budget deal with Biden.
Posted by: Blago at October 04, 2023 12:58 PM (MRyUU)

Remember when Biden zeroed out some student loans despite the courts saying he couldn't. That was, like, yesterday. Tell me again how McCarthy stood up to ORANGEMANBAD.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 04, 2023 01:01 PM (z99Zw)

323 Conservatives are the RINOs. Have been for a while.

Conservatives have no real party.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 01:01 PM (LvTSG)

This is the truth

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 04, 2023 01:01 PM (CIS44)

324 I think at some point the chaos agenda becomes extremely counterproductive.

The government that governs least, governs best. By somebody I use to listen to.

Bring on the do nothing congress.

Posted by: Paladin at October 04, 2023 01:01 PM (Qb66T)

325 See my #231

Posted by: Maj. Healey

I get it, but he was very effective at getting most of his Contract with America passed. And that was with a Democrat President.

There is no perfect Speaker. Ultimately I judge by results and Newt delivered.

Posted by: Blago at October 04, 2023 01:02 PM (MRyUU)

326 compromise means the dems get the steak and the fries and the repubs get the parsley.

Posted by: gnats local 678 at October 04, 2023 01:02 PM (B1FKF)

327 I still say Matt Gaetz looks like a young Billy Graham:

https://tinyurl.com/4j2zz74a

Evangelist for a return to constitutionalism?

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 04, 2023 01:02 PM (m6dV4)

328 5th Circuit Broadens Social Media Censorship Injunction To Include Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency

“CISA—working in close connection with the FBI—held regular industry meetings with the platforms… Like the CDC for COVID-related claims, CISA told the platforms whether certain election related claims were true or false. CISA’s actions apparently led to moderation policies being altered and content being removed or demoted by the recipient platforms.”
Posted by: SMOD at October 04, 2023 01:01 PM (RHGPo)
++++
Why play whack-a-mole? Just make it a blanket prohibition on *all* government employees, agencies, associates, partners, etc.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 04, 2023 01:02 PM (t0OGg)

329 "There are "Republicans" who are and always have been Democrats, and it's about time we cast them out."

Maybe. Just remember that without those "Republicans" the Democrats would control the House, and they would have the full run of the land. Court packing would be next.

Posted by: A person afraid of the LGBTQ lobby at October 04, 2023 01:02 PM (5DTn7)

330 If you vote with all the Democrats to remove the Republican Speaker, going against 95%+ of the Republican Caucus, then maybe YOU are the RINO.

Posted by: A person afraid of the LGBTQ lobby

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I suspect it was much more shocking to McCarthy and his friends that not a single Democrat lifted a finger to help after all they'd done for them.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 04, 2023 01:02 PM (rPwrh)

331 Posted by: Gran at October 04, 2023 12:59 PM (GM3/s)

F*ck Newt indeed!

He should be hounded out of the conservative movement for calling the eight reps "traitors."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 04, 2023 01:02 PM (BJlZC)

332 Never thought I'd see the day when I said "f*** Newt Gingrich", but:

"96% of Republicans voted for McCarthy. 4% voted against him. From my position as a longtime republican activist, they are traitors. All eight of them should, in fact, be primaried. They should all be driven out of public life. What they did was go to the other team to cause utter chaos."
Posted by: Gran at October 04, 2023 12:59 PM

Yep, Fuck Newt. THIS is exactly what he and his ilk did to Tea Party members.

Posted by: Minnfidel at October 04, 2023 01:03 PM (5RO7A)

333 Youngkin is gonna be a player in national politics very soon - definitely by 2028.
Posted by: Nova Local
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Quite possibly. Assuming elections are a thing in 2028 or the US continues to be United instead of just States.

Posted by: whig at October 04, 2023 01:03 PM (4R3Gm)

334 From a bigger picture perspective, this is why that cannot work: ever since the 90's (at least), the Left has seized on *any* plans to bring about fiscal responsibility and shrieked "THEY ARE GOING TO CUT YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY! THEY ARE GOING TO CUT YOUR MEDICAID!" and anyone who supported such a plan loses every election by a huge margin.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 04, 2023 12:49 PM (i9ffA)

I literally got a mailer yesterday screeching that DeSantis was going to do exactly that.

Posted by: pookysgirl,bombarded due to the Hawkeye Caucii at October 04, 2023 01:03 PM (dtlDP)

335 When does Blago start shilling for how great electric vehicles are?

Asking for a guy who used to post about how great EVs were.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 04, 2023 01:03 PM (17s+e)

336 Also I don't think Gaetzs intent is "chaos" he's not the Joker.

He has a specific mission to teach McCarthy and thus other potential Speakers and the rest of the Republicans that consequences are real.

Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2023 01:03 PM (A0ce3)

337 Just listen to us with the tiniest hope that things will change and we're freaking out. Like we have ANY chance at all to wrest the power from the Uniparty. This is just rearranging the deck chairs in the hopes that the LIVs FINALLY wake up and help us.

Posted by: Iris at October 04, 2023 01:03 PM (n3DL0)

338
There is no perfect Speaker. Ultimately I judge by results and Newt delivered.

Posted by: Blago at October 04, 2023 01:02 PM (MRyUU)

Funny, you seem to love judging Trump by what he says rather than what he delivered. His actual results for the prolife movement are more than anyone in any of our lifetimes has accomplished.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 04, 2023 01:03 PM (eYoxG)

339 299 From a bigger picture perspective, this is why that cannot work: ever since the 90's (at least), the Left has seized on *any* plans to bring about fiscal responsibility and shrieked "THEY ARE GOING TO CUT YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY! THEY ARE GOING TO CUT YOUR MEDICAID!"

Much like on the local level the call for fiscal sanity means "The police and fire budgets will be cut!!!"

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at October 04, 2023 01:03 PM (8sMut)

340 I still say Matt Gaetz looks like a young Billy Graham:

Vincent D'Nofrio as Edgar in Men in Black.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 04, 2023 01:03 PM (xTRSc)

341 If you vote with all the Democrats to remove the Republican Speaker, going against 95%+ of the Republican Caucus, then maybe YOU are the RINO.
Posted by: A person afraid of the LGBTQ lobby

Conservatives are the RINOs. Have been for a while.
Conservatives have no real party.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

That's an interesting philosophical point, and probably true if you think about it hard enough.
Just what IS the Republican Party's real nature, and then, just who are the Republicans in Name Only?

Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at October 04, 2023 01:04 PM (vcOmj)

342 Remember when Biden zeroed out some student loans despite the courts saying he couldn't. That was, like, yesterday. Tell me again how McCarthy stood up to ORANGEMANBAD.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic

They both did bad things when it comes to Student loands.

Difference is, we expect Democrats to do this. Not Republicans.

Trump paved the way for student loan forgiveness even being attempted when he just let everyone stop making payments altogether. He moved the Overton window.

Posted by: Blago at October 04, 2023 01:04 PM (MRyUU)

343 "chaos"? Doesn't really matter anyway, since that's all there will be in the end...so I've heard.

Posted by: Thrawn at October 04, 2023 01:04 PM (uGhsv)

344 I think at some point the chaos agenda becomes extremely counterproductive.

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How will we be able to tell?

That's not a joke. How will we know from normal refuse-to-accomplish-anything (R) daily operations?

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 04, 2023 01:04 PM (rPwrh)

345 Maybe. Just remember that without those "Republicans" the Democrats would control the House, and they would have the full run of the land. Court packing would be next.
Posted by: A person afraid of the LGBTQ lobby at October 04, 2023 01:02 PM (5DTn7)

better to have real Democrats in power when everything collapses, rather then fake democrats whose only purpose in existing is to make sure they share the blame.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 04, 2023 01:04 PM (i9ffA)

346 re 313: as i recall, thanks to true blue republican job mccain, who as i recall said he couldn't vote to repeal obamacare because all the dems opposed repeal

Posted by: gnats local 678 at October 04, 2023 01:04 PM (B1FKF)

347 Trump made an Executive Order to defer student loan payments.

***************

During the pandemic

for 60 days

Youre comparing that to what Pedo Joe is doing?

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at October 04, 2023 01:04 PM (VTu1l)

348 312 ... all I can say is the new speaker should commit to release of ALL of the J6 tapes .... if they do not follow though shit-can them also...

Posted by: meal team 6 at October 04, 2023 01:04 PM (tQnVK)

349 Two meteorologists and a climate modeller are duck hunting. A lone duck flies over head. The first meteorologist aims but shoots high, the second meteorologist aims and shoots low.
The climate modeller exclaims “We got him”.

Posted by: SMOD at October 04, 2023 01:05 PM (RHGPo)

350
Maybe. Just remember that without those "Republicans" the Democrats would control the House, and they would have the full run of the land. Court packing would be next.

I think the plan would be to replace them with ACTUAL conservatives for a change. Crazy, right?

Posted by: Iris at October 04, 2023 01:05 PM (n3DL0)

351 "BTW, I'm not nearly as enthusiastic about Matt Gaetz's scheme as some commenters are. I think at some point the chaos agenda becomes extremely counterproductive."

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If this keeps the House from passing legislation for the remainder of the year, that would be a good thing for the country.

Posted by: Jay in PA at October 04, 2023 01:05 PM (i7Q7S)

352 310 "no prexisting conditions" was a trap.

It's almost impossible to end it once it is there. I once thought it was possible but when I ran it by my friends and relatives, the response was "absolutely no way" getting rid of it.
Posted by: SMOD at October 04, 2023 01:00 PM (RHGPo)

It's b/c everyone has a condition now, so no one would qualify if you allowed that phrase in for health care. I think I saw 25% of VA adults are "disabled" and that doesn't count folks like me with blood cancer who haven't decided to "play the game" and folks who have conditions that are not "disabling" like tinnitus or food allergies. Like, no one would qualify for a health plan unless insurance had to be made to take them now. It's the current state of the health of our nation...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 04, 2023 01:05 PM (exHjb)

353 "I still say Matt Gaetz looks like a young Billy Graham"

Somewhere between a Chad, a BMOC, and a jock frat VP.

Posted by: gp's Creme-Filled Ballot Drops at October 04, 2023 01:05 PM (MvF+J)

354 I may have said this before:

They want to collapse the system and rebuild it out of the chaos.

We need to be ready to do the rebuilding.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 04, 2023 01:05 PM (3qoAC)

355 I suspect it was much more shocking to McCarthy and his friends that not a single Democrat lifted a finger to help after all they'd done for them.

How many D's voted for McCarthy to remain speaker? I'd speculate is the same number of D's who voted for him to be the speaker.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at October 04, 2023 01:05 PM (YRsIm)

356 OK my hats in the ring.

I promise everything to everybody.

Posted by: Lancelot_Link at October 04, 2023 01:05 PM (uxAXv)

357 I still say Matt Gaetz looks like a young Billy Graham:

https://tinyurl.com/4j2zz74a

Evangelist for a return to constitutionalism?
Posted by: LinusVanPelt

I think he look slike a young Uncle Baby Billy (Walton Goggins) on Righteous Gemstones. And as I type this I suspect the goal was for Uncle Baby Billy to look like Billy Graham. hmmmm

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 04, 2023 01:05 PM (CIS44)

358 How dare those people want to not continue spending $3T every six months!!!

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 04, 2023 01:05 PM (rPwrh)

359 Bring on the do nothing congress.
Posted by: Paladin

Not if the congress has over the course of years deployed evil mechanisms on the Republic that are tearing it apart. Do nothing right now is like watching your house burn.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 04, 2023 01:05 PM (IG4Id)

360 From a bigger picture perspective, this is why that cannot work: ever since the 90's (at least), the Left has seized on *any* plans to bring about fiscal responsibility and shrieked "THEY ARE GOING TO CUT YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY! THEY ARE GOING TO CUT YOUR MEDICAID!" and anyone who supported such a plan loses every election by a huge margin.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 04, 2023 12:49 PM (i9ffA)

Seems Joe Biden stole $500 billion for his green initiative from Medicare

Posted by: SMOD at October 04, 2023 01:06 PM (RHGPo)

361 "chaos"? Doesn't really matter anyway, since that's all there will be in the end...so I've heard.

*****************

Chaos is adding an additional TRILLION dollars to the national debt

in just the past 90 days

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at October 04, 2023 01:06 PM (VTu1l)

362 310 "no prexisting conditions" was a trap.

It's almost impossible to end it once it is there. I once thought it was possible but when I ran it by my friends and relatives, the response was "absolutely no way" getting rid of it.
Posted by: SMOD at October 04, 2023 01:00 PM (RHGPo)

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Doesn't matter that it raised the cost of healthcare 240%

Without it we will ALL DIE!

That's the attitude I see from people who should know better.

Posted by: Just Lily at October 04, 2023 01:06 PM (0nJr1)

363 I'm just going to add that all the right people are livid about McCarthy losing the SOTH so that is automatically not a good thing but A GREAT THING. Can't convince me otherwise.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 04, 2023 01:06 PM (17s+e)

364 Still hoping for Space aliens to shake things up.

They're probably a longshot plan to "temporarily suspend" elections. Unprecedented threat, etc. You know, any excuse to hold on to power.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at October 04, 2023 01:06 PM (Bd6X8)

365 Also I don't think Gaetzs intent is "chaos" he's not the Joker.

He has a specific mission to teach McCarthy and thus other potential Speakers and the rest of the Republicans that consequences are real.
Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2023 01:03 PM (A0ce3)
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I think the biggest upside of this that McCarthy got bitch-slapped by unexpected accountability.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 04, 2023 01:06 PM (t0OGg)

366 I suspect it was much more shocking to McCarthy and his friends that not a single Democrat lifted a finger to help after all they'd done for them.

How many D's voted for McCarthy to remain speaker? I'd speculate is the same number of D's who voted for him to be the speaker.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead
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Probably. Which makes it even weirder that he would work so hard for them.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 04, 2023 01:06 PM (rPwrh)

367 Didn't Newt forgo the existing order by pushing out Bob Michel from the GOP leadership? Wasn't he derided as a back bencher, someone who should keep quiet and wait his turn?

Why yes. Yes he was.

Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2023 01:06 PM (A0ce3)

368 I noticing a lot of naysayers re: McCarthy's ouster all using the same exact word to describe the outcome:

"chaos"

It's almost as if a talking-point memo went out, or something.

Posted by: Gran at October 04, 2023 01:06 PM (GM3/s)

369 As we sit here, Democrats and Biden are demonstrably stealing from Medicare. They are using a provision in the IRA to take savings from mandated price reductions and spending it on "green" projects. They are literally taking money out of Medicare and using it on their climate change folly. Bet you didn't know that.

Posted by: Marcus T at October 04, 2023 01:07 PM (c+w3Q)

370 Funny, you seem to love judging Trump by what he says rather than what he delivered. His actual results for the prolife movement are more than anyone in any of our lifetimes has accomplished.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
___

I think Trump deep down is very pro choice. He had ZERO interest in getting Roe vs Wade overturned. he's making noises now that he doesnt want anything to do with pro-life politics, criticizing people like DeSantis for passing bans.

The other judges that voted along against Roe vs Wade were appointed by Bush SR and JR. Are they also "great" conservatives?

Posted by: Blago at October 04, 2023 01:07 PM (MRyUU)

371 Another commenter said it best:

When Democrats control the House they get 100% of what they want.

When Republicans control the House the Democrats get 80% of what they want.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 04, 2023 01:07 PM (rPwrh)

372 the first time there's been a "chaos" event aimed at the Uniparty shits, and already it's too much and can't we all just get along
=
Hey hey what's that? Are you likening the proprietor to those squishes he professes to detest? No sir, just the right amount of outrage, and just the right amount of decorum, along with better candidates will see us through to election Victory!!11ty. Goldilocks for president!!!

Posted by: A broken record at October 04, 2023 01:07 PM (pHQD8)

373 I noticing a lot of naysayers re: McCarthy's ouster all using the same exact word to describe the outcome:

"chaos"

It's almost as if a talking-point memo went out, or something.

JournoList: "You can't prove it!"

Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2023 01:08 PM (2ocoG)

374 Kevin Hern
...

I already mentioned Hern, he's from Oklahoma which is indisputably the reddest state in the union, if we can't get a solid GOP leader from that state then they don't exist.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 04, 2023 12:34 PM (rc3Z7)

______________

Hern -Never hearnd of him!

Posted by: Kevin McCarthy at October 04, 2023 01:08 PM (RilAR)

375 "5th Circuit Broadens Social Media Censorship Injunction To Include Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency"

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Note that 100% of the Republicans who voted for McCarthy as speaker, really do think CISA protects America from terrorists and Russia hacking into election machines.

Who are the RINO's again?

Posted by: Jay in PA at October 04, 2023 01:08 PM (i7Q7S)

376 "no prexisting conditions" was a lie. If you had insurance and switched or were canceled and switched you were always covered. Now if you didn't have insurance and then got insurance you then had a prexisting condition and it is quite understandable that it not be paid for by everybody else.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at October 04, 2023 01:08 PM (17s+e)

377 354 I may have said this before:

They want to collapse the system and rebuild it out of the chaos.

We need to be ready to do the rebuilding.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 04, 2023 01:05 PM (3qoAC)

The only way I think it will be possible will be to accelerate the collapse of all Federal level organizations - and yes, ESPECIALLY the military, which from now on will just be a tool of oppression for our would-be dictators; and replace them with state-run efforts at every level. And those states which cannot organize or provide for such a thing should either die, or hand over their sovereignty to a neighbor who is willing to provide it for them.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 04, 2023 01:08 PM (i9ffA)

378 The GOPe seems to have no idea how to form a coalition.

What are you talking about! We work out deals with our Democrat friends all the time! It's you hick Republican voters that are the constant problem.

Posted by: GOPe leadership at October 04, 2023 01:08 PM (YOEP8)

379 "BTW, I'm not nearly as enthusiastic about Matt Gaetz's scheme as some commenters are. I think at some point the chaos agenda becomes extremely counterproductive."

The non-chaos agenda is certainly productive, for Democrats.

Posted by: slapnutz at October 04, 2023 01:08 PM (/Gh/U)

380 I think Trump deep down is very pro choice.

He was the first and only President to actually appear at the March for Life.

Posted by: Ian S. at October 04, 2023 01:09 PM (2ocoG)

381 "BTW, I'm not nearly as enthusiastic about Matt Gaetz's scheme as some commenters are. I think at some point the chaos agenda becomes extremely counterproductive."
Counterproductive implies there was production in the first place. How can it be counterproductive if the goal is conservative principles when the reality is progressive blitzkrieg?

Posted by: JT Smith at October 04, 2023 01:09 PM (FxdZx)

382 I think deep down Trump is very much like most Americans and has enough sense to understand that the 10th Amendment exists even if half the nation, most of the courts, and all of the government wants to pretend it doesn't.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 04, 2023 01:09 PM (rPwrh)

383 Probably. Which makes it even weirder that he would work so hard for them.

*********************

The moment I heard that a government shutdown could have resulted in thousands of FBI agents losing their jobs and McCarthy taint licking every democrat in Congress to keep it from happening was the moment I have zero fucks to give about "chaos"

Posted by: The Unvaxxed and Unmasked Ranger - Longing to Lie in Zooey Deschanel's Bosom for Comfort at October 04, 2023 01:09 PM (VTu1l)

384 Elbows will be flapping!

Posted by: Crazy to be sane at October 04, 2023 01:09 PM (Y6n0A)

385 It's almost impossible to end it once it is there. I once thought it was possible but when I ran it by my friends and relatives, the response was "absolutely no way" getting rid of it.
Posted by: SMOD
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My response to that is you just do it and people see that not everyone is dead on the side of the road. And they move on. In 2007 before Obamacare, did you ever see a pool of dead bodies in front of hospitals? Me neither.

But to do "liberal" things because they might be politically popular, might as well just surrender right now.

I absolutely believe most Americans want "free" healthcare. I dont want a Republican President to give it to them.

Posted by: Blago at October 04, 2023 01:09 PM (MRyUU)

386 370 Funny, you seem to love judging Trump by what he says rather than what he delivered. His actual results for the prolife movement are more than anyone in any of our lifetimes has accomplished.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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I think Trump deep down is very pro choice. He had ZERO interest in getting Roe vs Wade overturned. he's making noises now that he doesnt want anything to do with pro-life politics, criticizing people like DeSantis for passing bans.

The other judges that voted along against Roe vs Wade were appointed by Bush SR and JR. Are they also "great" conservatives?

Posted by: Blago at October 04, 2023 01:07 PM (MRyUU)

Who cares what Trump is deep down? I'm not his priest.

Either you're judging by results (or actions as I think as more practical, results aren't fully controllable), or you aren't. Politicians we elect need to push in the direction we want.

Yes the man campaigns as a moderate, or more specifically takes a bunch of contradictory positions on issues. But that doesn't matter except insofar as it relates to election chances.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 04, 2023 01:10 PM (eYoxG)

387 354 I may have said this before:

They want to collapse the system and rebuild it out of the chaos.

We need to be ready to do the rebuilding.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 04, 2023 01:05 PM

Judging from a fairly recent example (Yugoslavia), it's best to stay heavily armed.

Posted by: Military Moron at October 04, 2023 01:10 PM (YOEP8)

388 Why should the Dems in that position spend any of their political capital? Because an idiot repub would?

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 04, 2023 12:26 PM (CIS44)
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Because they will get less with the new speaker than the old speaker would have given them - so they are minimizing their return. And also publicly lowering the curtains again so the public can see what really is going on. Wasn't a smart short term or long term strategic move. Total power play for just the sexual arousal it gives otherwise dead people.

Posted by: Black JEM at October 04, 2023 01:10 PM (GZYu7)

389 "Inertia is a fundamental principle in classical physics that describes the tendency of objects in motion to stay in motion, and objects at rest to stay at rest, unless another force causes its speed or direction to change."

Perhaps this "chaos" in the House is "another force."

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at October 04, 2023 01:11 PM (Rbu5d)

390 Just what IS the Republican Party's real nature...
Posted by: A face in the crowd..... at October 04, 2023 01:04 PM (vcOmj)

To show that every bureaucrat is a loved and wanted bureaucrat who should never suffer a moment's harm, or want, or concern about the future as they crush yours.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 04, 2023 01:11 PM (z99Zw)

391 "no prexisting conditions" was a lie. If you had insurance and switched or were canceled and switched you were always covered. Now if you didn't have insurance and then got insurance you then had a prexisting condition and it is quite understandable that it not be paid for by everybody else.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger

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I remember that being THE main selling point for Obamacare, and when the first opportunity / availability came and went only 87K people had signed up.

$12T to $15T and counting for 87,000 people.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 04, 2023 01:11 PM (rPwrh)

392 This is a government completely controlled by an oligarchy. Any wrench in the works is probably a good thing.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at October 04, 2023 01:11 PM (OVXGS)

393 The country is so poor, reparations will be taxed at a 100% rate

Posted by: SMOD at October 04, 2023 01:12 PM (RHGPo)

394 2 How are his sleeves?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 12:16 PM (LvTSG)

ROLLED UP!
-J.Jordan

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at October 04, 2023 01:12 PM (Rbu5d)

395 >>>Conservatives are the RINOs. Have been for a while.

Conservatives have no real party.

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As I corrected my daughter yesterday when she described our family as Republicans. "No, we're conservatives. Big difference."

Posted by: Turn 2 at October 04, 2023 01:12 PM (JfxgE)

396 Chaos?

Where is Maxwell Smart?

Posted by: Archer at October 04, 2023 01:12 PM (gmo/4)

397 Gingrich: "96% of Republicans voted for McCarthy. 4% voted against him. From my position as a longtime republican activist, they are traitors. All eight of them should, in fact, be primaried. They should all be driven out of public life."

Ever think that maybe, MAYBE, that 96% of the GOP might be the problem with the GOP, Newt? It's called The Swamp for a reason. You should know. You made a Contract With America to thwart the Reformers by coopting Perot et al's positions. And what did you do in the very next cycle after the conservatives gave you power? You and Team GOP began tearing it up.

But please go on, Newt, and regale us with your lasting "conservatism" coursing through the veins of the GOP.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel Remembers Babbitt and Perna at October 04, 2023 01:12 PM (aXxgO)

398 Either you're judging by results (or actions as I think as more practical, results aren't fully controllable), or you aren't. Politicians we elect need to push in the direction we want.

Yes the man campaigns as a moderate, or more specifically takes a bunch of contradictory positions on issues. But that doesn't matter except insofar as it relates to election chances.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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Trump's judge picks were largely the same as what any Republican President would have made.

Bush Sr nominated Clarence Thomas, the most RINo PResident ever.

Posted by: Blago at October 04, 2023 01:12 PM (MRyUU)

399 I'm waiting for the day (probably never to come) when all the Republicans slap their foreheads and realize that they should never trust a Democrat on deal making. The Dems always have their 'we insist on these provisions' items, and then ask for extraneous things they're willing to give up that matter much less. But the core provisions will never be compromised.

Republicans? They don't have any core provisions. Everything can be jettisoned. And all of the Democrats know it.

Posted by: Giacomo at October 04, 2023 01:12 PM (eT7al)

400 @386

>>Yes the man campaigns as a moderate, or more specifically takes a bunch of contradictory positions on issues. But that doesn't matter except insofar as it relates to election chances.

It's called triangulation, it's how you beat Hillary Clinton in the rust belt and it's why you go to Detroit and speak to a bunch of Union Auto Workers.

Blago is simply being Blago, it's his schtick.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 04, 2023 01:12 PM (rc3Z7)

401 Chaos?

Where is Maxwell Smart?
Posted by: Archer at October 04, 2023 01:12 PM (gmo/4)
++++
He missed it by thaaaaaaaaaaat much!

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at October 04, 2023 01:12 PM (t0OGg)

402 Did everyone see the video of that activist get stabbed right in front of his AntiFa girlfriend?

What an absolute cluster. Crazy guy with a knife kicks some property right in front of the couple. Instead of quickly walking the other way, the leftist activist guy engages crazy guy. Crazy guy rages and comes after leftist activist guy slashing at his face. Activist guy ineffectually pushes at crazy guy a couple of times, then tries to escape, falls face first hard over an anti-homeless person sleeping bench, then gets stabbed in the head several times.

All the while, the stupid AntiFa chick is standing by like she doesn't think any of this is a big deal. She doesn't seem to react at all until she sees her man is bleeding everywhere. Even then, reportedly, she refused to describe the perp to the cop.

https://is.gd/qyynlk

Posted by: bonhomme at October 04, 2023 01:13 PM (0N1h0)

403 Meanwhile, in Canada:

Governor General apologizes for Order of Canada awarded to Waffen SS member

(And no, it wasn't Hunka)

https://is.gd/XyoxIV

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 04, 2023 01:13 PM (qPw5n)

404 Characterizing McCarthy's ousting as "breaking shit" is just gaslighting. In any relationship where one party is dishonest or deceitful or fails to live up to expectations, when the other party decides they're done in that relationship, the blame is on the person who did the bad thing in the first place. If your wife cheats on you so you divorce her, you didn't break up the family, she did.

So if you want to blame anyone for "breaking shit" blame McCarthy for breaking his promise.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 04, 2023 01:13 PM (fKIdX)

405 Conservatives are the RINOs. Have been for a while.

Conservatives have no real party.

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As I corrected my daughter yesterday when she described our family as Republicans. "No, we're conservatives. Big difference."
Posted by: Turn 2 at October 04, 2023 01:12 PM (JfxgE)

Tho as was discussed here a bit back by definition we arent even that because we sure as shit dont want to conserve this system.

Posted by: BruceWayne at October 04, 2023 01:13 PM (CIS44)

406 I'm not crazy about chaos either, but I'm even less enamored with an environment that allows sell-out RINOs to operate with impunity. A scalp needed to be taken. More.

Posted by: SMFH at October 04, 2023 01:13 PM (vGZLX)

407 Either you're judging by results (or actions as I think as more practical, results aren't fully controllable), or you aren't. Politicians we elect need to push in the direction we want.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 04, 2023 01:10 PM

I'll accept "honest effort" at this point. I think Trump honestly tried to build the wall....but the Republican-led congress and the courts stopped him. I don't know of we were ready to defy the legal process at the time...especially knowing the Republican Party leadership would join the Dems to oppose him.

Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 04, 2023 01:13 PM (YOEP8)

408 "Trump's judge picks were largely the same as what any Republican President would have made."

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Remember Harriet Miers?

LOL

Posted by: Jay in PA at October 04, 2023 01:14 PM (i7Q7S)

409 McCarthy decided to play that game in 2022, and this is the result.

A weakened Republican caucus with a bare majority in a body that requires a clear majority of the entire body to remain in power. It was a bad application of Senate dynamics to the House, and McCarthy is an idiot.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 04, 2023 12:29 PM (LvTSG)
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Funny, DeSantis' strength in Florida - one of the few red bright spots that night - fortified Gaetz as well. Which became the fly in the ointment.

Posted by: Black JEM at October 04, 2023 01:14 PM (GZYu7)

410 "no prexisting conditions" was a trap.

It's almost impossible to end it once it is there. I once thought it was possible but when I ran it by my friends and relatives, the response was "absolutely no way" getting rid of it.
Posted by: SMOD at October 04, 2023 01:00 PM (RHGPo)

Funny thing is... supposedly everyone now HAS health insurance so there's no "prexisting condition" issue. It's only an issue if you don't have insurance and want to get some.

But people are ignorant and easily manipulated.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 04, 2023 01:14 PM (z99Zw)

411 How I would love to see AntiFa and BLM tangle with Waffen SS. I'd pay big bucks for that.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 04, 2023 01:14 PM (Wg6v7)

412 Where is Maxwell Smart?

He'll be a little late.

Posted by: Agent 99 at October 04, 2023 01:14 PM (xTRSc)

413 All the while, the stupid AntiFa chick is standing by like she doesn't think any of this is a big deal. She doesn't seem to react at all until she sees her man is bleeding everywhere. Even then, reportedly, she refused to describe the perp to the cop.

https://is.gd/qyynlk
Posted by: bonhomme at October 04, 2023 01:13 PM (0N1h0)

sometimes it's hard to watch people getting what they deserve.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 04, 2023 01:14 PM (i9ffA)

414 398 Either you're judging by results (or actions as I think as more practical, results aren't fully controllable), or you aren't. Politicians we elect need to push in the direction we want.

Yes the man campaigns as a moderate, or more specifically takes a bunch of contradictory positions on issues. But that doesn't matter except insofar as it relates to election chances.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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Trump's judge picks were largely the same as what any Republican President would have made.

Bush Sr nominated Clarence Thomas, the most RINo PResident ever.
Posted by: Blago at October 04, 2023 01:12 PM (MRyUU)

1. That's not true, Trump worked with orgs to select them that most Presidents would have not(or not so tightly).
2. Do you not remember the process? Most Republican presidents would have capitulated.

Whatever Trump's motive for doing so, he got his picks in a base-driven manner rather than an establishment-driven manner.

His actions in doing what the base wants him to do are very consistent.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 04, 2023 01:14 PM (eYoxG)

415 I remember that being THE main selling point for Obamacare, and when the first opportunity / availability came and went only 87K people had signed up.

$12T to $15T and counting for 87,000 people.
Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine
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You could have easily accomodated these people by just throwing them on Medicaid and having some special carve out. Have it means tested, after a certain income, $500 a month and you go on a state plan.

Better than all of us having an Obamacare system.

Posted by: Blago at October 04, 2023 01:15 PM (MRyUU)

416 Shame the (R)s didn't bother sending a repeal bill to Trump's desk.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 04, 2023 01:16 PM (rPwrh)

417 Also, if you start from the political philosophy of "I hate Republicans, but I really fucking hate Democrats" (credit Southpark guys), then using one party to shit on 95% of the other party can only be a good thing, at any time, anywhere.

Whenever I hear stories about those countries with really fucked up parliamentary systems that are like "The government of Dumbfuckistan has been paralyzed for 14 months by an inability to form a majority in parliament" I think "that sounds nice".

We should have let this thing burn down in 2008. Everything since then is just kicking the can down the road.

Posted by: Milquetoast Mortgage-Paying Neighbor in Flyover Country at October 04, 2023 01:16 PM (5C4od)

418 Better than all of us having an Obamacare system.

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Obamacare had nothing to do with improving individual health insurance or lowering health care costs. It had everything to do with centralizing health care spending and funding and administering.

Posted by: SH (Will Not Serve As Speaker) at October 04, 2023 01:16 PM (sX1BW)

419 Man, Blago sure offers up excuses for McCarthy that he would never offer the Orange man...
so not surprising at all.

Posted by: Inogame at October 04, 2023 01:16 PM (53oGX)

420 Since this will get stomped: F^*k Jimmie Jordan: In the runup to McCarthy's defenestration, Jordan couldn't praise McCarthy enough.
Another RiNO/Uniparty sellout.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at October 04, 2023 01:17 PM (7Fj9P)

421 46...
It is clear that absolutely nobody in Washington reads or understands fables.

The scorpion always stings you. Why is this so difficult to grasp?
Posted by: Archimedes at October 04, 2023 12:21 PM (I/Qkd)

Any briar patches in DC?

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at October 04, 2023 01:17 PM (Rbu5d)

422
Tho as was discussed here a bit back by definition we arent even that because we sure as shit dont want to conserve this system.
Posted by: BruceWayne at October 04, 2023 01:13 PM (CIS44)

The title of conservative has never really been appropriate since it was established to rollback New Deal stuff. But the naming issue was a battle lost many decades ago.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 04, 2023 01:17 PM (eYoxG)

423 Trump is not pro-life or pro-choice. He is pro-life when it suits him (c. 2016) and pro-choice when it doesn't (c. 2022, looking for something to blame GOP failure on besides his own drag on the party).

Posted by: A person afraid of the LGBTQ lobby at October 04, 2023 01:17 PM (5DTn7)

424 In other words, the "moderate" Republicans on the (lol) "Problem Solver Caucus" got used and humiliated and betrayed by their Democrat "partners" yet again.
.......

Battered Wife Syndrome

Posted by: wth at October 04, 2023 01:18 PM (v0R5T)

425 All the while, the stupid AntiFa chick is standing by like she doesn't think any of this is a big deal. She doesn't seem to react at all until she sees her man is bleeding everywhere. Even then, reportedly, she refused to describe the perp to the cop.

https://is.gd/qyynlk
Posted by: bonhomme at October 04, 2023 01:13 PM (0N1h0)
______________

I laughed

Posted by: Elric Blade at October 04, 2023 01:18 PM (iFTx/)

426 407 Either you're judging by results (or actions as I think as more practical, results aren't fully controllable), or you aren't. Politicians we elect need to push in the direction we want.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at October 04, 2023 01:10 PM

I'll accept "honest effort" at this point. I think Trump honestly tried to build the wall....but the Republican-led congress and the courts stopped him. I don't know of we were ready to defy the legal process at the time...especially knowing the Republican Party leadership would join the Dems to oppose him.
Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 04, 2023 01:13 PM (YOEP

They had to make up a bunch of crap to ram through 2 failed impeachments...
If he'd have done anything illegal, even well intentioned he'd have been out.

Posted by: Inogame at October 04, 2023 01:18 PM (53oGX)

427 In other words, the "moderate" Republicans on the (lol) "Problem Solver Caucus" got used and humiliated and betrayed by their Democrat "partners" yet again.

This gives me a stiffy. I may need to seek medical help as it may last longer than four hours.

Posted by: BifBewalski's Phone at October 04, 2023 01:18 PM (/3ZD7)

428 55 Remember McCarthy didn't fail in his speakership.

He did exactly what he set out to do.

Govern on behalf of his clients and f*ck we the people.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 04, 2023 12:23 PM (XqcwY)

^^^^^^^

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at October 04, 2023 01:18 PM (Rbu5d)

429 Saying that Gaetz has a "chaos" agenda is playing along with the failure theater forces (see how that works?).

Has the removal of the Speaker created chaos? Well, not yet. It got Pelosi kicked out of the Speakers office so maybe for her.

Gaetz and the other Republicans who joined him are not chaos for chaos' sake people. You think Nancy Mace is pro Chaos?

No. I think that they are willing to accept some messiness, perhaps risk chaos, to deliver a message and change things. They did what they said they would do rather than make a half hearted effort and say oh well couldn't be done.

Posted by: blaster at October 04, 2023 01:18 PM (A0ce3)

430 In other news, I will probably be willowed, and all the chicks are looking good today. Sharon, Long Face Lily, Nice Lips Sally, and Awesome Abbey are wearing attractive outfits.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at October 04, 2023 01:18 PM (ufFY8)

431 in other news: maryland, home of the new cali senator (take out spaces):

https://www.yahoo.com/news /nearly-2-000-reports-ufo-012353032.html

Posted by: gnats local 678 at October 04, 2023 01:19 PM (B1FKF)

432 All the while, the stupid AntiFa chick is standing by like she doesn't think any of this is a big deal. She doesn't seem to react at all until she sees her man is bleeding everywhere. Even then, reportedly, she refused to describe the perp to the cop.

The eloi and morlocks were not something you guys were supposed to accelerate towards!

Posted by: H.G. Wells at October 04, 2023 01:19 PM (YOEP8)

433 There is a very good video on YT from Mark Felton documenting how the British government allowed waffen ss veterans, many from units implicated in war crimes, to immigrate and/or remain in Britain after the war. Quite a few of them eventually immigrated to Canada.

Posted by: Archer at October 04, 2023 01:19 PM (gmo/4)

434 I absolutely believe most Americans want "free" healthcare.
Posted by: Blago at October 04, 2023 01:09 PM (MRyUU)

Most Americans want cheaper healthcare. Someone should point out how much of their money goes into covering illegals, and junkies. Maybe someone could point out that we can make healthcare even cheaper by not covering a lot of stuff. The children will jump all over that... cuz they can't picture ever getting old.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic at October 04, 2023 01:20 PM (z99Zw)

435 @429

>>No. I think that they are willing to accept some messiness, perhaps risk chaos, to deliver a message and change things. They did what they said they would do rather than make a half hearted effort and say oh well couldn't be done.

Chaos is the GOPe choice to make, if they want chaos, there will be chaos.

They could choose to get their act together, choose a solid SOH, put him forward and let the chips fall where they may.

But I'm thinking GOPe leadership is going to choose door number two.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 04, 2023 01:20 PM (rc3Z7)

436 423 Trump is not pro-life or pro-choice. He is pro-life when it suits him (c. 2016) and pro-choice when it doesn't (c. 2022, looking for something to blame GOP failure on besides his own drag on the party).
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He achieved his aim, kicking abortion out of DC and putting back to the States. Basically, Abortion was nothing more than a fund raising gambit for Dems. Now the baby killers have to build real grassroots support for baby killing instead of getting big checks centrally.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 04, 2023 01:20 PM (Wg6v7)

437 Biden Admin Goes Full Orwell Denying Vaxx Mandates Ever Happened

Posted by: SMOD at October 04, 2023 01:21 PM (RHGPo)

438 Ok. Jim Jordan is also unacceptable. I want any Speaker to renounce the Republican Party and cut off one of his own fingers with a pruning shears to show his loss of honor by association with them. A pinky would be fine.

Short of that: fuck 'im and I hope these petulant, self-dealing representatives bump him off next.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 04, 2023 01:21 PM (0FoWg)

439 96% of Republicans voted for McCarthy. 4% voted against him. From my position as a longtime republican activist, they are traitors. All eight of them should, in fact, be primaried. They should all be driven out of public life. What they did was go to the other team to cause utter chaos."
Posted by: Gran at October 04, 2023 12:59 PM (GM3/s)

So tell me what great legislation and accomplishments the GOPe has done since Reagan? A couple of sunset tax cuts. Period.

Everything single thing that the base has wanted as been ignored and often mocked and ridiculed by our GOPe dick smokers. If there are traitors, maybe you should look in the mirror.

Posted by: Beartooth at October 04, 2023 01:21 PM (E5KZ+)

440 "You knew what I was when you agreed to carry me" said the scorpion.

Posted by: Victor Tango Kilo at October 04, 2023 01:22 PM (9yUzE)

441 Biden Admin Goes Full Orwell Denying Vaxx Mandates Ever Happened

Then why create the new ICD-10-CM codes for tracking the unvaxxed and undervaxxed?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - Z28.310 at October 04, 2023 01:22 PM (Bd6X8)

442 Chaos is the GOPe choice to make, if they want chaos, there will be chaos.

They could choose to get their act together, choose a solid SOH, put him forward and let the chips fall where they may.

But I'm thinking GOPe leadership is going to choose door number two.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 04, 2023 01:20 PM (rc3Z7)

You aren't supposed to notice that while we are forever asked to moderate, said moderates are NEVER, EVER asked to harden their stance for the base.

Posted by: Inogame at October 04, 2023 01:22 PM (53oGX)

443 I want any Speaker to renounce the Republican Party and cut off one of his own fingers with a pruning shears to

This is about me, isn't it?

Posted by: Davos Seaworth the Onion Knight at October 04, 2023 01:22 PM (ufFY8)

444 nood.

Mostly the same, but still nood.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 04, 2023 01:23 PM (fKIdX)

445 Chaos is the GOPe choice to make, if they want chaos, there will be chaos.
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Chaos is what Obama et al have been up to for some time. Now some Pubbies have realized their backs are against the wall and seem intent on doing something. Do I have faith they will follow through - No. But I do like that they have a sense of shame.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 04, 2023 01:23 PM (Wg6v7)

446 Counterproductive? Nothing productive can work in DC until the purging has been thorough. Since that's not realistically an option, I say shut it all down until they get the message. Which is STOP SPENDING US INTO OBLIVION.

Posted by: Mr. Fabulist at October 04, 2023 01:23 PM (7VCus)

447 368 I noticing a lot of naysayers re: McCarthy's ouster all using the same exact word to describe the outcome:

"chaos"

It's almost as if a talking-point memo went out, or something.
Posted by: Gran
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That and "no plan".

Posted by: whig at October 04, 2023 01:24 PM (4R3Gm)

448 Chaos is the GOPe choice to make, if they want chaos, there will be chaos.

-

This is key.

The government employees have done a good job making people accept that accountability = chaos.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 04, 2023 01:24 PM (rPwrh)

449 Every. Incumbent. Out.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at October 04, 2023 01:24 PM (ufFY8)

450 Ok. Jim Jordan is also unacceptable. I want any Speaker to renounce the Republican Party and cut off one of his own fingers with a pruning shears to show his loss of honor by association with them. A pinky would be fine.

Short of that: fuck 'im and I hope these petulant, self-dealing representatives bump him off next.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 04, 2023 01:21 PM (0FoWg)

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It's time now that each ex-Speaker be required to commit Suppuku (or have a second remove his or her head) on PPV TV (including Mr. Newt, whom I've never forgiven for caving to Bubba during the pathetic little feral government shutdown in the 90s).

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at October 04, 2023 01:26 PM (4dQ1V)

451 Chaos brings uncertainty...and uncertainty breaks up cozy relationships - ask a spouse who doesn't know where their husband is how they feel about their marriage - and then one who literally sees the other woman show up on her porch asking for her husband...one's uncertain, but the other's got divorce papers the next day with the highest paid lawyer looking for blood and feels it forever...forever feelings against the Uniparty and Dems are good for us...
Posted by: Nova Local at October 04, 2023 12:28 PM (exHjb)

Out of chaos comes order.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pci3TUFwCfg

Posted by: Doris the door knob licker at October 04, 2023 01:27 PM (Zvtjl)

452 Swiss Writer Sentenced to 60 Days in Jail for Calling Journalist a ‘Fat Lesbian’

Posted by: SMOD at October 04, 2023 01:27 PM (RHGPo)

453 The evidence-tampering statute being used by the U.S. Department of Justice to prosecute hundreds of Jan. 6 defendants is unconstitutionally broad, interferes with First Amendment free speech, and has left prosecutors with “unbridled, standardless discretion to effectively make up their own law,” a new Supreme Court filing argues. The High Court is considering whether to take up a challenge to the use of the law (pdf) brought by Jan. 6 defendant Edward Jacob Lang, 28, of New York. Mr. Lang, at least 317 other defendants, and former President Donald Trump have been charged with corruptly obstructing an official proceeding.

Posted by: SMOD at October 04, 2023 01:29 PM (RHGPo)

454 Swiss Writer Sentenced to 60 Days in Jail for Calling Journalist a ‘Fat Lesbian’
Posted by: SMOD at October 04, 2023 01:27

Which word was the bad word?

Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at October 04, 2023 01:29 PM (HfNu5)

455 think that they are willing to accept some messiness, perhaps risk chaos, to deliver a message and change things.
==
We already have chaos. You could argue it's making more chaos, but you have to reckon with the fact that we had chaos with McCarthy as speaker, so it arguably not causing a significant change in anything.

Posted by: A broken record at October 04, 2023 01:29 PM (pHQD8)

456 236. Levin is too smart not to recognize the problem, but he and others keep defending McCarthy by saying who else or what now?

I'd take the ??? over the %^&* we currently have. We took a chance on Trump and that turned out well. Let's think more along those lines instead of the same old play it safe attitude. We can't afford to play it safe, anymore.

Posted by: Lex at October 04, 2023 01:30 PM (fMN7A)

457 *grabs bell, book, and candle*
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unring the bell
close the book
snuff the candle

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 04, 2023 01:31 PM (krqg6)

458 Out of chaos comes order.
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But you have to speak truth into the chaos. Not focus group tested, hair sprayed, pancake makeup talking points, from better candidates.

Posted by: A broken record at October 04, 2023 01:32 PM (pHQD8)

459 Anyone else notice that this is the exact same conversation we had with the Budweiser boycott?
Posted by: joe, living dangerously at October 04, 2023 12:47 PM (fKIdX)

Yup, and those of us on the right side were vindicated...
I think that will again happen...Gaetz did good - whether it was for the right reasons, I don't care, b/c it was the right act.

Posted by: Nova Local at October 04, 2023 12:50 PM (exHjb)
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And we apparently did a bigger job on Target than we realized.

Posted by: Black JEM at October 04, 2023 01:33 PM (GZYu7)

460 Swiss Writer Sentenced to 60 Days in Jail for Calling Journalist a ‘Fat Lesbian’
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"Journalist" is the worst thing you can call someone.

Posted by: COMMIE Weirdo scribbler at October 04, 2023 01:35 PM (pHQD8)

461 NOOD same as the fisrt

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 04, 2023 01:39 PM (krqg6)

462 BTW, I'm not nearly as enthusiastic about Matt Gaetz's scheme as some commenters are. I think at some point the chaos agenda becomes extremely counterproductive.
Posted by: Disinformation Expert Ace at 01:15 PM

As a guy who at some point was voting for a meteor to hit DC, falling back to not wanting a little chaos is quite the fallback.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at October 04, 2023 01:48 PM (FCbAQ)

463 BTW, I'm not nearly as enthusiastic about Matt Gaetz's scheme as some commenters are. I think at some point the chaos agenda becomes extremely counterproductive.

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So exactly what was the agenda before the "chaos agenda," Ace? Since you seem to have all the answers, please enlighten us. Because it seems to me like the McCarthy way - which was accomplishing nothing except giving Dems everything they wanted - was working so fucking, smashing good, right?!?!?
Feel free to go and join the "gotta have a plan" crowd. I'll take the "chaos agenda" over any suggestion that crowd has to make, anytime.

Posted by: Tracy at October 04, 2023 01:50 PM (0klyx)

464 I think Trump deep down is very pro choice. He had ZERO interest in getting Roe vs Wade overturned. he's making noises now that he doesnt want anything to do with pro-life politics, criticizing people like DeSantis for passing bans.

Posted by: Blago at October 04, 2023 01:07 PM (MRyUU)
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And Florida didn't even pass a ban - unlike say Indiana which said zilch and still has supermajorities in both houses of the legislature. And now Indiana is done with abortion - it is no longer an issue - unlike Michigan that enshrined it as a right up until birth in the constitution. Making sure it continues as political football up there. Trump should have accepted the win, and moved on.

Posted by: Black JEM at October 04, 2023 01:56 PM (GZYu7)

465 It's b/c everyone has a condition now, so no one would qualify if you allowed that phrase in for health care. I think I saw 25% of VA adults are "disabled" and that doesn't count folks like me with blood cancer who haven't decided to "play the game" and folks who have conditions that are not "disabling" like tinnitus or food allergies. Like, no one would qualify for a health plan unless insurance had to be made to take them now. It's the current state of the health of our nation...

Posted by: Nova Local at October 04, 2023 01:05 PM (exHjb)
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Which means it isn't insurance.

Posted by: Black JEM at October 04, 2023 01:58 PM (GZYu7)

466 I look at Jordan this way ... he doesn't start out as a deep state/swamp dweller we "hope" can find some backbone ...
while not perfect he at least can start from a position of a fighter for some of what the base wants ...

Posted by: The Dark Lord at October 04, 2023 02:13 PM (DBAaD)

467 "I think at some point the chaos agenda becomes extremely counterproductive." ... and when we get to that point they can stop the chaos ... but at this point the chaos is working ... McCrappy is gone ...

Posted by: The Dark Lord at October 04, 2023 02:18 PM (DBAaD)

468 Ace has been playing footsie with the homos at HotAir a lot these days. Lots of mutual linking and “to be sure’s” that keep him aligned with that bankrupt and constantly begging for cash crew. I have donated in the past to ace and have read this site every day for what seems like 20 years. Have never commented. A studied Trump agnosticism which was understandable in 2016 has morphed into a general Maga ambivalence that reads like a respectability signal. I used to scroll past the morning rant etc. to get to Ace’s latest. Now I spend more time reading through the Throckmortons of the site than many of Ace’s own postings and it makes me sad. Why am I always reading references to Ed Morrissey, Jazz Shaw and the other clowns at hot air, these being essentially the equivalent of Allahpundit’s “Twitter palz?” Hot Air is begging for money because they use their critique of the crazy left to fool you into assuming that they support America first solutions. But they don’t and obviously judging by their readership no-one is fooled. They’d feel totally vindicated if Nikki Haley were the nominee. Ace knows this, so why is he playing this game?

Posted by: JM at October 04, 2023 02:23 PM (HK81O)

469 Good fucking christ, the "cHaOs aGenDa" ? Hurr durr

Dude, either there are consequences to betrayal, or there aren't. And, in fact, since McCarthy brazenly lied and clearly never intended to keep any of those promises, if the DIDN'T get rid of McCarthy, then Gaetz and the freedom caucus would be the chumps that got rolled - AGAIN

Posted by: deadrody at October 04, 2023 02:36 PM (DSkM/)

470 JM - I don't know the answer, but it is absolutely obnoxious. I continue to wait for the post owning the vague aspersions about "election denial" as if there is ANY doubt about the FRAUD that took place in 2020, at a minimum. Ace is playing both sides, frankly, and like you, I'm tired of it

Posted by: deadrody at October 04, 2023 02:39 PM (DSkM/)

471 BTW, the actions of the PSC Democrats is instructive in at least one way - Democrats have ACTUAL leadership. Hate them all you like, but when their leadership says jump, they say how high ?

There would have been blood in the streets if the Squad had tried this on Nancy Pelosi

Posted by: deadrody at October 04, 2023 02:43 PM (DSkM/)

472 I think the main problem is Republicans keep trusting Democrats, like Charlie Brown trusting Lucy not to pull the football.

Dems always pull the football. They do whatever it takes to win, including voting you out of office, and pulling fire alarms. We are nice to them; they screw us over first chance they get. They don't recognize limits on what they get to say and do. They don't recognize alliances with us for the common good. They will screw us, screw us again, then screw us some more. The only time they are our friends is when we grab our ankles and say, "Thank you may I have another?"

Posted by: Garbled memo at October 04, 2023 03:21 PM (8E/8X)

473 Ace in support of McCarthy and DeSantis who assures us that the 2020 election was the most secure ever and Joe Biden is the legitimately elected president of the USA. Sorry J6 political prisoners, Ron won't be coming to your rescue. Ace is a centrist now folks. New look at Nikki and, Christie?

Posted by: JFC at October 04, 2023 04:48 PM (Wu5Sh)

474 You say ‘chaos’; I say accountability. 🤷 First step is letting the bastards on ‘our side’ that they will pay a price for their bullshit.

Posted by: Oldirishpig at October 04, 2023 07:50 PM (BggZQ)

475 of course this is a good thing. The GOP needs to get rid of the typical get along go along politician, of which nearly every one running against Trump is. We need to get rid of the swamp creatures, which mccarthy is. or nothing will change, it will be the same as the 70s and 80s and 90s and 00s and 10s and 20s where politicians don't do crap but say all the right things. we need to destroy the bureaucracy. mccarthy would never do that. burn it all down I say. It will be hard in the shortrun but things have to change. never again will we vote for a Bush-type. Never again for a Mccarthy/mcconnell type either.

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