THE MORNING RANT: A Couple of True Anecdotes About “Range Anxiety”

THE MORNING RANT: A Couple of True Anecdotes About “Range Anxiety” – the Insurmountable Hurdle for EVs

For all the problems that electric vehicles have, the greatest impediment to them being widely adopted is their range limitation combined with the lengthy time it takes to re-charge…if a functioning charger can even be found.

I would like to share two true anecdotes about “range anxiety” today:

1) A co-worker (“Zeke” returned to the office from an out of town trip and was greeted by co-workers who asked him how it went. He replied that it was great until the journey home, at which point he stated loudly, ”I will never, EVER, buy an electric vehicle.” This obviously got my attention, and I joined the group of employees listening as he related his odyssey.

On his flight home, Zeke and his wife were supposed to change planes in Atlanta, but weather caused the plane to put down in a smaller city in a neighboring state. This other city was just under 150 miles away from Zeke’s home, so he and his wife decided to just drive the rest of the way home. They went to the rental car desks in the hope of renting a car, only to find out that they had been cleaned out of all vehicles…except for a couple of EVs. Zeke said he’d love to rent an EV if it could get him home, so they rented him one, which showed a remaining range of almost 200 miles.

It was a hot, Southern, summer night, and with the AC blasting, Zeke soon noticed that the difference between remaining range and the miles to get home was steadily decreasing. When halfway home, he realized this was getting serious, so they turned off the A/C and started searching their phones for charging stations. It was late at night, and they didn’t really care to stop for an hour to get a sip of electricity, but they prefered that to losing all power. Unfortunately, they couldn’t even find any charging stations.

When they reached the outskirts of their hometown, they had less than 15 miles of range left, maybe enough to get home, but not enough to get back to a charging station the next morning. They parked the EV at a facility with a charger, then called an Uber to take them the rest of the way home. The next morning they had to return to the parked EV and spend an hour trying to get some juice in it before finally being able to turn it in at the local rental car office.

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2) It was Spring of 2021, and my wife and I had just arrived in Hilton Head for a short getaway vacation when news broke of the ransomware attack on the Colonial gas pipeline. That attack pretty much put a halt to gasoline deliveries in much of the eastern seaboard, including the state of Georgia, through which my wife and I would have to drive to get back home when our stay ended.

I immediately topped off my tank. We were 425 miles away from home. With mostly highway driving, that tank of gas might take us about 400 miles, close enough to home that someone could come fetch us if necessary.

But while in the Low Country, we had also planned to visit Savannah. That round trip would consume about 65 miles of our "range." Plus, we wanted to just slowly drive around Savannah to look at the live oaks, moss, and architecture. That was going to burn more precious range.

We decided to gamble, figuring that even if we burned 100 miles of precious range, we could still make it back relatively close to home and have someone come rescue us if we ran out of gas.
We took back roads to Savannah so as to see the countryside, and as we neared the city, I saw a rural gas station that had gas! I stopped and topped off my tank. We were fully "charged" again. Whew.
Most of the gas stations I saw in the city were out of gas, but I did see one near downtown that had gas, and the cars were not backed up too far. After driving around the city and eating dinner, I drove by that gas station again. It still had gas! I got in line, and after a not terribly long wait, I was able to top off my tank again! We drove the 30-something miles back to Hilton Head and I was relieved at my range situation, but once we arrived, I started thinking about topping off my tank again. There was a station in Hilton Head with gas, but the line was very long, so I didn't.
I obsessed about getting back that final 35 miles of range, so when I woke up early the next morning, I drove over and the station still had gas! I topped it off again.
As it turned out, the pipeline situation resolved before we headed for home, so fueling up on the way back did not turn out to be too difficult after all.

Irrespective of every other reason I despise EVs, I could never drive one simply because of range anxiety. I would be obsessed with keeping it fully charged. That experience of mine in Hilton Head / Savannah was an anomaly, but it would be my daily life if I had an EV, always worried about maintaining range for whatever emergency or trip I must embark on.

[buck.throckmorton at protonmail dot com]

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at 11:00 AM

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1 First.

Posted by: Eric in Atlanta at October 01, 2023 08:36 PM (xfP4L)

2 I called 'em.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 02, 2023 11:00 AM (qPw5n)

3 Too late!

Posted by: Disinformation Expert, Formerly Virginian at October 02, 2023 11:01 AM (N1DT3)

4 Wait... Your first was Yesterday at 8:36 PM? How's THAT work?

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 02, 2023 11:01 AM (qPw5n)

5 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 11:02 AM (tjClK)

6 If you are going to commit a crime spree, leave your phone at home.

Police intelligence officers amassed cell phone data and found that six phone numbers were at two or more of the crimes. They crossed that intelligence with existing crime records and found their six perps.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 02, 2023 11:03 AM (5iCZZ)

7 EVs. Too expensive, not appropriate for most people's driving. And did I mention expensive?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 02, 2023 11:03 AM (J2vNu)

8 Joe Biden Tells Democrats to Treat Future White Minority ‘with Respect'

Posted by: It's Happening at October 02, 2023 11:03 AM (LccS3)

9 It can be lunch time

Posted by: Skip at October 02, 2023 11:03 AM (ZtYS1)

10 A red dot really helps me with range anxiety. I can reliably get hits even with a pistol at 100 yards with one.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 02, 2023 11:03 AM (xcxpd)

11 Wait... Your first was Yesterday at 8:36 PM? How's THAT work?
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 02, 2023 11:01 AM (qPw5n)
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Someone loaned him the keys to ace's time machine...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 02, 2023 11:04 AM (YIVH2)

12 Performance anxiety - it not just for people.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2023 11:04 AM (Y2tls)

13 Disinformation! Malinformation! Unclean! Cancel! Cancel!

Posted by: Jennifer Granhold, High Priestess of the Church of the Carbon Apocalypse at October 02, 2023 11:04 AM (PiwSw)

14 You think you have range anxiety, pikers?

Posted by: Midwestern Winters! at October 02, 2023 11:05 AM (2tUFv)

15 "the greatest impediment to them being widely adopted is their range limitation... "

I would argue the lack of infrastructure and actual power generation to charge such cars is actually a bigger impediment.

We literally don't have the electricity to charge widely adopted electric cars. We are LAUGHABLY deficient, as in less than half what we would need to even replace half of the cars on the road with eclectic ones.
Our "elite" also don't have plans to expand power generation.

That is the tell about what they intend to do by destroying internal combustion engine production. You will stay close to your home and will rely on the government for any transportation they may deign to allow you.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert, Formerly Virginian at October 02, 2023 11:05 AM (N1DT3)

16 Neighbor has two Teslas. Cannot wait for them burn both our houses down.

Posted by: BifBewalski at October 02, 2023 11:06 AM (3CCua)

17 My wife and I traveled down to Blacksburg from NoVa to see our son during the Colonial Pipeline. We really didn’t have any problems getting gas. There was one long line at a station in downtown Harrisonburg, but once we got out a little farther we found gas no problem.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 11:06 AM (xTRSc)

18 You think you have range anxiety, pikers?
Posted by: Midwestern Winters!

*Montana has entered the chat.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2023 11:06 AM (Y2tls)

19 I have range anxiety during sex.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 11:06 AM (tjClK)

20 Listen, EV's would be compelling if not for the unfortunate Physics and Chemistry of the whole thing.

Sadly, the masterminds are dead set on f**king the world with the EV change over, so the world is going to be f**ked.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 02, 2023 11:06 AM (XV/Pl)

21 6 If you are going to commit a crime spree, leave your phone at home.

Police intelligence officers amassed cell phone data and found that six phone numbers were at two or more of the crimes. They crossed that intelligence with existing crime records and found their six perps.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 02, 2023 11:03 AM (5iCZZ)

Even if you're not going to commit a crime, say if you're going to a protest, leave the cell phone somewhere else.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 02, 2023 11:06 AM (xcxpd)

22 Meh. Hubbie and I have an EV, as well as a gas car. We have found that the EV is about 100 times more pleasant to drive, particularly on longer trips. Range anxiety can be easily solved with the use of an app that tells you where the most conveniently located charger stations are. Also you can charge at your own house so you're always leaving your house with 100%. With the gas car, on the other hand, we do experience a certain amount of 'oh crap I have to fill up the car on the way to work.' And if the kids have been driving it, you never know what they've left you with. EVs solve that problem.

I might not take the EV on a road trip in the middle of absolute nowhere, but we live on the East Coast and there are tons of charging stations everywhere. We haven't had any issues so far and we drive a ton.

Posted by: Average Jen at October 02, 2023 11:06 AM (hGNrS)

23 EV is the future! But only because we're going to force internal combustion cars off the market and artificially make gas so expensive only 1%ers can afford it anyway!

Posted by: Goddamn dictators at October 02, 2023 11:06 AM (lR6tR)

24 I was thinking about this today as a matter of fact. On a typical trip to the TXMOME (about 600 miles one way), I usually stop about 4-5 times to relieve myself and top off my tank, even though I can easily get 300 miles or more off a full tank. My bladder doesn't hold out that long.

Even so, it takes me about 10 hours to travel that far with breaks.

If I had to stop every 150-200 miles to recharge, that's going to significantly increase my time if I have to wait 1 hour or more for a recharge, rather than 10 minutes.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 02, 2023 11:06 AM (YIVH2)

25 It can be lunch time
Posted by: Skip at October 02, 2023 11:03 AM (ZtYS1)

Lunch seems to get earlier and earlier each week.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 11:06 AM (tjClK)

26 If EVs were a good substitute for ICE cars the government wouldn't need to subsidize owning them.

Every Upper-Middle/Rich person I know that owns one...and there are 0 middle or lower class people I know with one...has another ICE car as well.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 02, 2023 11:07 AM (XqcwY)

27 Son-in-law had an EV for awhile. He said it was mostly useful for getting a good parking spot at the recharging stations near the front door.
Better parking than the handicapped.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 02, 2023 11:07 AM (uSHSS)

28 11 Wait... Your first was Yesterday at 8:36 PM? How's THAT work?
Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 02, 2023 11:01 AM (qPw5n)
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Someone loaned him the keys to ace's time machine...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel

Fun fact, if you pay attention to the number in the URL, this post is before Pixy's tech post.

Posted by: Brother Tim sez Max Headroom for President! at October 02, 2023 11:07 AM (OUMaO)

29 EVs make sense if they have an on board gas engine driven generator which can also power the drive wheels.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 02, 2023 11:07 AM (5iCZZ)

30 EVs are like Brazil - they have a great future, and will always have a great future.

It is the present that is the problem.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 02, 2023 11:07 AM (2tUFv)

31 >>Irrespective of every other reason I despise EVs, I could never drive one simply because of range anxiety. I would be obsessed with keeping it fully charged. That experience of mine in Hilton Head / Savannah was an anomaly, but it would be my daily life if I had an EV, always worried about maintaining range for whatever emergency or trip I must embark on.

Imagine one's "range anxiety" as a Cat V hurricane approaches the coast on a hot summer's day with a carload of kids.

Posted by: mrp at October 02, 2023 11:08 AM (rj6Yv)

32 The "leaders" here keep talking about the saltwater intrusion up the river. In fact we had one in 1988, and I don't recall having to hunt up bottled water. What I don't see now, though, is anyone hazarding a guess as to how long it might last. Okay, we'll have to buy bottled water (and I've started stashing some away). But how long do they think it'll be necessary to drink bottled water?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 02, 2023 11:08 AM (J2vNu)

33 My very liberal daughter lives in Chicago. She and her hubby decided an EV would be a perfect "in town" car. They aren't stupid despite their political leanings, so checked with an electrician to see what it would cost to set up the charging equipment in their garage. They were told that there was insufficient power line access to set it up at all. They called their friendly Chicago powers to see what modernization could occur and were told NONE. They missed the "chance" to "help". Incidentally, their main vehicle is a diesel!

Posted by: LRob in Ok at October 02, 2023 11:08 AM (TSQkU)

34 Yes, an acquaintance describing the range of his EV in winter - "I get better mileage when I turn off the radio and windshield wipers." Uh, OK, great vehicle when you can't use basics like AC, windshield wipers etc.

But. . . this is not a surprise, more of a "feature, not a bug"/"functions as designed" situation.

Cars = Freedom
Take our cars and you've taken our freedom of movement, freedom to live far outside of cities, etc.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2023 11:08 AM (izj35)

35 Range anxiety w/EV?..optional equipment should include a pup tent and sleeping bags.

Posted by: BignJames at October 02, 2023 11:08 AM (AwYPR)

36 EV's are nice toys. Nothing to rely on. They're for intraurban trips only.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 02, 2023 11:08 AM (xcxpd)

37 The only way to make EVs, aka battery cars, work is if you can swap out the drained battery for a new one in 5 minutes or so.

But the batteries EVs use are incredibly expensive and not easy to replace.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 02, 2023 11:08 AM (XqcwY)

38 I'll just leave this here if anyone is interested:

"iSeeCars has recently concluded a study that sheds some light on how many miles most battery-electric vehicle owners drive each year. The surprising conclusion is that owners of affordable battery-electric vehicle models hardly use them.
The data shows that owners only drive them about half the annual miles that owners of conventionally-powered vehicles do."

https://tinyurl.com/yryb7y39

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 02, 2023 11:09 AM (8D7Iu)

39
If I had to stop every 150-200 miles to recharge, that's going to significantly increase my time if I have to wait 1 hour or more for a recharge, rather than 10 minutes.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 02, 2023 11:06 AM (YIVH2)

Was in Alvaredo, TX this weekend, which is about an hour and a half drive from my home. On the way back, I saw a Tesla with Oklahoma plates. I mentioned to the wife "I hope they don't live too far across the border to Oklahoma." The border is another 45 minutes or so from my home, depending on speed/traffic.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 11:09 AM (tjClK)

40 I'll consider an EV when they manufacture one that will go from Tulsa to Corsicana without recharging.

The Orange Streak will go five hundred miles on a full tank. Take that, Elon.

Posted by: creeper at October 02, 2023 11:09 AM (cTCuP)

41 What's a few thousand miles between friends?

Matthew Foldi
@MatthewFoldi
🚨 Emily’s List literally says that new #CASEN Laphonza Butler LIVES IN MARYLAND

Robby Starbuck
@robbystarbuck
Her FEC filing 31 days ago lists Maryland as her residence and yet Gavin Newsom is naming Laphonza Butler to be a United States Senator representing a state she doesn’t even live in. However corrupt you think politics is, multiply it by a 1,000,000.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 02, 2023 11:10 AM (FVME7)

42 The only way to make EVs, aka battery cars, work is if you can swap out the drained battery for a new one in 5 minutes or so.

But the batteries EVs use are incredibly expensive and not easy to replace.
Posted by: 18-1 at October 02, 2023 11:08 AM (XqcwY)
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They make a lot of sense for power tools, because you CAN easily swap out a drained battery for a freshly-charged battery and keep going.

Not so much for EVs, however.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 02, 2023 11:10 AM (YIVH2)

43 But they spur so much economic activity. Just the other day I saw a video on the new car size fire blankets being developed to put the fires out.

Posted by: Bilwis Devourer of Innocent Souls, I'm starvin' over here at October 02, 2023 11:10 AM (z+89e)

44
Even if you're not going to commit a crime, say if you're going to a protest, leave the cell phone somewhere else.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 02, 2023 11:06 AM (xcxpd)

Or obtain a faraday box.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 11:10 AM (tjClK)

45 Just sitting around waiting for the fkin car to charge for hours would bore me to death.
Definitely would have a book in car at all times at least.

Posted by: Skip at October 02, 2023 11:10 AM (ZtYS1)

46 Went into our local Target store to get a prescription and observed the four high speed charging stations were being used. All four had cars waiting behind the charging cars. There was no one in two of the cars being charged. I suspect Karen was in shopping while her EV was being iopped off.

I predict charging station violence in the near future.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 02, 2023 11:10 AM (l10hq)

47 Hubbie and I have an EV, as well as a gas car.

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This seems to be they key to EV ownership.

Buy two cars.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 02, 2023 11:10 AM (8D7Iu)

48 Every Upper-Middle/Rich person I know that owns one...and there are 0 middle or lower class people I know with one...has another ICE car as well.

Yeah, true progressive "transportation advocates" hate EVs.

That's because they hate the whole concept of personal transportation, and as an initial step, they want to force households to have only one car.

They've figured out the people will only buy EVs as a second car.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 02, 2023 11:11 AM (2tUFv)

49 22 Meh. Hubbie and I have an EV, as well as a gas car. We have found that the EV is about 100 times more pleasant to drive, particularly on longer trips. Range anxiety can be easily solved with the use of an app that tells you where the most conveniently located charger stations are. Also you can charge at your own house so you're always leaving your house with 100%. With the gas car, on the other hand, we do experience a certain amount of 'oh crap I have to fill up the car on the way to work.' And if the kids have been driving it, you never know what they've left you with. EVs solve that problem.

I might not take the EV on a road trip in the middle of absolute nowhere, but we live on the East Coast and there are tons of charging stations everywhere. We haven't had any issues so far and we drive a ton.
Posted by: Average Jen at October 02, 2023 11:06 AM (hGNrS)

Well I'm convinced. A ton.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 02, 2023 11:11 AM (xcxpd)

50 I'll often take weekend trips where I don't know exactly where I am going to end up.

And with an ICE car its easy...want to go another 300 miles? Just get another take of gas. It takes... 5minutes and you are good to go

You simply can't do that with an EV as the original story notes. You have to tightly plan your designation and where charging stations are along the way.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 02, 2023 11:11 AM (XqcwY)

51 Range anxiety?? Like Chem Jeff at a MoMe???
/HQ inside joke

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 11:11 AM (krqg6)

52 "iSeeCars has recently concluded a study that sheds some light on how many miles most battery-electric vehicle owners drive each year. The surprising conclusion is that owners of affordable battery-electric vehicle models hardly use them.
The data shows that owners only drive them about half the annual miles that owners of conventionally-powered vehicles do."

https://tinyurl.com/yryb7y39
Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 02, 2023 11:09 AM (8D7Iu)
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That right there should tell you how much freedom The Powers That Be have in mind for us.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 02, 2023 11:11 AM (YIVH2)

53 There are plenty of stories about people going all in on an EV only to realize the range leaves a lot to be desired. In most cases the owners just do not realize that charging stations for their particular EV may/may not be within range of their expected route. Or available at all.

EV buyer's remorse is a thing, but the faithful refuse to acknowledge it.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 02, 2023 11:11 AM (Q4IgG)

54 I am waiting for the left to argue government should control how often one can buy gasoline. They like to do that sort of thing, plus it would create range anxiety among IC engine users similar to that presently known only to EV users.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 02, 2023 11:11 AM (ZCPyW)

55 Just had a similar experience with a Polestar 2 that ended up being our rental not of choice down in Arizona because the rental company ran out of gas powered vehicles.

The vehicle itself had some nice features and pretty good acceleration. Problem was it was difficult to find charging stations and you never knew how long the recharge was going to take. Given that we needed to have the thing recharged to the initial level it created a certain sense of anxiety as we motored from baseball field to baseball field.

I will never buy an electric vehicle based on that experience alone unless the charging station availability becomes a non factor and they all end up having the quick charge capability of the Tesla.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at October 02, 2023 11:12 AM (OZjDX)

56 277 Pull a fire alarm, there better be a fire or somebody's getting cuffed and carried.
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Especially in a federal building and not, say, jus a McDonald's.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 11:12 AM (krqg6)

57 >>They were told that there was insufficient power line access to set it up at all.

Pretty sure our current electricity grid in the US can't handle everyone converting to EVs. Add to it that IIRC, all those EV charging stations are gas powered (tanks underground).

Tesla deals with this by providing nearest charging station info in the car and their home charging stations can be solar-powered. However, a non-Tesla EV charger is incompatible with a Tesla charger.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2023 11:12 AM (izj35)

58 Zeke [not his real name]

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 11:12 AM (krqg6)

59 Cars = Freedom
Take our cars and you've taken our freedom of movement, freedom to live far outside of cities, etc.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2023 11:08 AM (izj35)

Which is exactly what they want

Posted by: It's me donna at October 02, 2023 11:13 AM (bs+z0)

60 Her FEC filing 31 days ago lists Maryland as her residence and yet Gavin Newsom is naming Laphonza Butler to be a United States Senator representing a state she doesn’t even live in.

She voted in Maryland in the last election.

There is apparently a real issue about whether she is a legal California resident (you have to live in the state for 90 days to become one).

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 02, 2023 11:13 AM (2tUFv)

61 EV is the future! But only because we're going to force internal combustion cars off the market and artificially make gas so expensive only 1%ers can afford it anyway!
Posted by: Goddamn dictators

Our ENTIRE economy is predicated on current petroleum levels. Reduce that, and EVERYTHING from makeup to medical products will cost exponentially more.

EVERYTHING.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2023 11:13 AM (Y2tls)

62 That right there should tell you how much freedom The Powers That Be have in mind for us.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel

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Yep.

Actual cars are driven around 15K per year. The affordable EVs are driven around 6K IIRC.

I guarantee they've got another car they're pounding miles on when they need to use something like a car.

Toys. Nothing more than toys for well-off people.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 02, 2023 11:13 AM (8D7Iu)

63 They make a lot of sense for power tools, because you CAN easily swap out a drained battery for a freshly-charged battery and keep going.

Hello my favorite gaijin!

Posted by: Ryobi at October 02, 2023 11:13 AM (XqcwY)

64 I will never ever buy an EV unless it's a golf cart.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 02, 2023 11:13 AM (6VKyY)

65 Wait... Your first was Yesterday at 8:36 PM? How's THAT work?
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September has 31 days in N.Z.??

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 11:13 AM (krqg6)

66 Have mentioned more for a LeMans race car if they had swapping batteries it could work. A big Dewalt battery that could be dropped out and a pallet jack put back in.

Posted by: Skip at October 02, 2023 11:14 AM (ZtYS1)

67 Police intelligence officers amassed cell phone data and found that six phone numbers were at two or more of the crimes. They crossed that intelligence with existing crime records and found their six perps.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 02, 2023 11:03 AM (5iCZZ)

Well, given you know at LEAST one of your accomplices is going to have a phone on him, you're gonna have to kill all five.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 02, 2023 11:14 AM (QBaJw)

68 Range limitations is an EV problem. But if the grid isn't able to provide the electricity how far you can drive is zero.

That's the issue no one is talking about. They're just whistling in the dark as they walk by the graveyard.

Posted by: James Lewis at October 02, 2023 11:14 AM (gpRTs)

69 While the Biden Administration is busy promoting EVs, they are also taking apart the fossil fuel industry

Posted by: SMOD at October 02, 2023 11:14 AM (RHGPo)

70 it's bears versus salmon!

https://shorturl.at/BCFW9

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 02, 2023 11:14 AM (ZCPyW)

71 I can hop off the highway, put 25 gallons in my truck in 10 minutes, and be good for another 450 miles. I don't want to sit at a charging station for an hour to get 200.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 02, 2023 11:14 AM (5iCZZ)

72 And range anxiety will be a problem for the next 40 years, because it will take that long to build an infrastructure anywhere NEAR as extensive as the gas station network.

Posted by: Chuck at October 02, 2023 11:14 AM (+Rcx4)

73 My driveway's being paved today and the contractor will use 2 belly conveyor trailers pulled by dual axle tractors, an apron distributor/paver, a steel/wheeled roller, and a rubber/tired loader. They're all diesel-powered. What coud he be thinking?

Posted by: Eromero at October 02, 2023 11:14 AM (NxC5+)

74 61 EV is the future! But only because we're going to force internal combustion cars off the market and artificially make gas so expensive only 1%ers can afford it anyway!
Posted by: Goddamn dictators

Our ENTIRE economy is predicated on current petroleum levels. Reduce that, and EVERYTHING from makeup to medical products will cost exponentially more.

EVERYTHING.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2023 11:13 AM (Y2tls

You won't need a car at least. AI will take all the jobs.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 02, 2023 11:14 AM (6VKyY)

75 We literally don't have the electricity to charge widely adopted electric cars. We are LAUGHABLY deficient, as in less than half what we would need to even replace half of the cars on the road with eclectic ones.
Our "elite" also don't have plans to expand power generation.

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No Mr. Bond, we expect you to stop driving.

Posted by: The Elites at October 02, 2023 11:14 AM (S0soJ)

76 EV ownership is an outward sign of belonging to the progressive enviro-cult, like those weird ponytails for Krishnas.

Posted by: And generating a cloud of smug at October 02, 2023 11:14 AM (lR6tR)

77 What's this I hear about the Texas/Missouri/Maine dealie

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at October 02, 2023 11:14 AM (ZV+pB)

78 I am waiting for the left to argue government should control how often one can buy gasoline. They like to do that sort of thing, plus it would create range anxiety among IC engine users similar to that presently known only to EV users.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 02, 2023 11:11 AM (ZCPyW)
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I honestly think the gas companies should counteract the EV mandates by refusing to sell gas in certain areas controlled by EV fanatics. Then watch them complain because they can't get the goods and services they feel they deserve (like food).

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 02, 2023 11:14 AM (YIVH2)

79 The new EV trucks are a joke. They claim good tow hauling capabilities that meet ICE trucks. If you trailer something forget about getting into a charging station. They are designed for clown sized cars.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 02, 2023 11:14 AM (l10hq)

80 Average Jen, how long does it take to charge your EV?

Posted by: creeper at October 02, 2023 11:14 AM (cTCuP)

81 Pretty sure our current electricity grid in the US can't handle everyone converting to EVs.

All 310 million registered vehicles. Semi's, box trucks & delivery vehicles included.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2023 11:14 AM (Y2tls)

82 But the batteries EVs use are incredibly expensive and not easy to replace.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 02, 2023 11:08 AM (XqcwY)

And how many batteries would have to be in rotation to allow for inspections between pulls, charges, and replacement?

And who wants their brand new vehicle getting its battery swapped out for some 50k scratch and dent?

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at October 02, 2023 11:14 AM (hCzfy)

83 @37

>>The only way to make EVs, aka battery cars, work is if you can swap out the drained battery for a new one in 5 minutes or so.

An EV battery pack can weigh anywhere from 500lbs to a Ton.

Swapping that sucker out is not going to be easy.

EV's are stupid and ridiculous full stop.

But if you were going to do something like this, EV's would need a main battery and a smaller reserve battery, say on the order of 100 lbs.

It wouldn't get you much but It might get you to the next charging stations or swap station.

As I said, it's all stupid but we're all about stupid now.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 02, 2023 11:15 AM (XV/Pl)

84 My very liberal daughter lives in Chicago. She and her hubby decided an EV would be a perfect "in town" car. They aren't stupid despite their political leanings, so checked with an electrician to see what it would cost to set up the charging equipment in their garage. They were told that there was insufficient power line access to set it up at all. They called their friendly Chicago powers to see what modernization could occur and were told NONE. They missed the "chance" to "help". Incidentally, their main vehicle is a diesel!
Posted by: LRob in Ok at October 02, 2023 11:08 AM (TSQkU)

This goes to my infrastructure comment.

Additionally, there is also insufficient infrastructure to supply the necessary additional electricity (that we don't have) to charge said cars. This is before we get to the crappy infrastructure that most cities have, preventing the delivery of the massive power at the end point, necessary for these absolutely stupid boondoggles.

Posted by: Disinformation Expert, Formerly Virginian at October 02, 2023 11:15 AM (N1DT3)

85 @Disinformation, I have a somewhat different take. I think they want to make driving as painful as possible, whatever vehicle it is you drive. They want to force us into public transportation and little apartments close to railroads. That's how they think we should live.

However, as far as EVs and the electric supply, that's not really the issue. There are so many other things using electricity in our economy that adding EVs, even millions of them, isn't going to have a significant overall effect. It could have a local effect in some places that don't have the transformer capacity to deal with it, especially as people are likely to plug in when they get home from work, which is the worst time for demand on the grid: the sun is going down, so solar supply is falling rapidly, while overall demand is still high, so the gap has to be filled by conventional power plants. Plugging in a bunch of EVs just makes the local problem worse.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 02, 2023 11:15 AM (7B5FA)

86 The fall off of EV users replacing them with ICE is noticeable. I think in certain local/urban situations they are workable if you have a convenient way to recharge them. The problem with urban use is where do you park them and charge them. I don't think there are many places where parking on the street and charging a vehicle is doable.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 02, 2023 11:15 AM (Wg6v7)

87 Was at a bar not watching the Chiefs / Jets game. Was Taylor Swift suited up and on the field. Every time I looked up at the TV, they were showing her.

Screw you, NFL. And hey Kelce. Enjoy it while it lasts. I'm guessing you completely sold out to fund your upcoming retirement, if the vax doesn't kill you first.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 11:15 AM (tjClK)

88 Even if you're not going to commit a crime, say if you're going to a protest, leave the cell phone somewhere else.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 02, 2023 11:06 AM (xcxpd)

I'll add to that.

Leave it where your patterns would normally take you.

I advised Little that if she needed to commit a subversive act, to drive to school and put her phone in her locker.

Then return to pick the phone up by close of school.

It's the anomaly that gets you.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 02, 2023 11:15 AM (4/GJJ)

89 I will never ever buy an EV unless it's a golf cart.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at October 02, 2023 11:13 AM (6VKyY)

I probably won't either, but if we live long enough, it'll either be inevitable, or we will be living in a society where we don't "buy" ANYTHING.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 02, 2023 11:16 AM (QBaJw)

90 Brother's Coworker has a LEAF during the Winter when it went below 32 car was charging and at full, left to go to work lost 30 40 Percent of his Charge due to the Cold and he was worried that he would not get back home.

Ford was telling owners of the Lighting Truck to turn off the heaters and all electronics to extend range when it gets cold.

If you live in an Apt and live on the 4th or 3rd floor are you expected to run a cord to your car to charge it??

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at October 02, 2023 11:16 AM (dKiJG)

91 Honestly most senators and reps are residents of MD or VA for intents and purposes.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 02, 2023 11:16 AM (5iCZZ)

92 I can hop off the highway, put 25 gallons in my truck in 10 minutes, and be good for another 450 miles. I don't want to sit at a charging station for an hour to get 200.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

My wife's V8 F150 is getting 26.4 mpg.
Full tank is 535 miles to empty.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2023 11:16 AM (Y2tls)

93 I've noticed there is always EV drama at work.

Someone hogging up the space...someone unplugging someone they don't like...and so on.

And no, I'm not responsible for any of it...

Posted by: 18-1 at October 02, 2023 11:16 AM (XqcwY)

94 Take our cars and you've taken our freedom of movement, freedom to live far outside of cities, etc.

You are to live in a small "car-free" apartment building in a high-rise, within a quarter-mile of a mass transit stop.

Think Hong Kong.

The "transportation advocates" hate park-and-rides, where you drive a short distance to a mass transit stop, and then take mass transit to your destination.

That's because park-and-rides make it possible to use mass transit while living in single-family housing, and the advocates hate single-family housing as much as they hate cars.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 02, 2023 11:17 AM (2tUFv)

95 EVs are heavier, so there's more wear-and-tear on the roads.
EVs burn much hotter/longer than regular cars, so they take a lot more work and water to put out.
EV batteries are incredibly expensive to replace.

They make no sense for most people, and they are not "better for the environment" when you consider the source of their charge is some sort of fossil fuel.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2023 11:17 AM (izj35)

96 @Disinformation, horde mind! Your daughter's neighborhood in Chicago must be one of those local places that can't handle the EV demand.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 02, 2023 11:17 AM (7B5FA)

97 If you live in an Apt and live on the 4th or 3rd floor are you expected to run a cord to your car to charge it??
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio

No even a 10 gauge extension cord would work.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2023 11:17 AM (Y2tls)

98 My electric UTV is nice for around the farm ... quiet and powerful, I love it. I plug it into my solar panel power ... I am SOOooo Greeen. If I could get an EV car for cheap, I'd consider it, but not for travel beyond local activity.

The problem is they are not cheap, even with big subsidies. And most people can't afford an extra vehicle for local travel. The push is just another part of the BigControl Agenda (21, or is it 31 now?).

The WEF oligarchs have great fun remaking the world in their own non-functional image. But really, they know they need a world with fewer free people, and more slaves that don't travel and crowd Their Beaches. The masses must be controlled, if not killed off.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 02, 2023 11:17 AM (Cus5s)

99 Have mentioned more for a LeMans race car if they had swapping batteries it could work. A big Dewalt battery that could be dropped out and a pallet jack put back in.
Posted by: Skip

It's called a 'skateboard' chassis. Been vaporware for decades.

wikipedia.org/wiki/Skateboard_(automotive_platform)

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 02, 2023 11:18 AM (IG4Id)

100 @80

>>Average Jen, how long does it take to charge your EV?

I'll answer for her, it she has an average size EV and a level 1 charger, it will take here about 8 hours to charge, or overnight, if she has a level 2 charger about 4-6 hours to fully charge, if a level 3 charger and depending on how much juice you're particular battery will allow to be pushed into it, about an hour or two under optimum conditions.

Again, as has been said, EV's are stupid.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 02, 2023 11:18 AM (XV/Pl)

101 87 Was at a bar not watching the Chiefs / Jets game. Was Taylor Swift suited up and on the field. Every time I looked up at the TV, they were showing her.
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Yeah, that was annoying. I had never seen Taylor Swift so I learned something. Not bad but she acts like a teenie bopper and was surrounded by her two teenie bopper friends. Just weird. Very fake.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 02, 2023 11:18 AM (Wg6v7)

102 I will never ever buy an EV unless it's a golf cart.

My wife and I visited Tangier Island in the Chesapeake a couple of weeks ago as part of our anniversary vacation. They've got a few gas-powered cars on the island, but for the most part everyone drives around in golf carts (or bigger versions thereof). But on a small island in the middle of a bay like that, EVs make sense.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 11:18 AM (xTRSc)

103 It's useful to remember that the plan is to use the EV batteries (that you're responsible for replacing) to feed power back into the grid so that the power companies can save money on equipment upgrades.

They haven't been shy about admitting this, either.

https://tinyurl.com/yk7h5fxr

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 02, 2023 11:18 AM (8D7Iu)

104 >>You are to live in a small "car-free" apartment building in a high-rise, within a quarter-mile of a mass transit stop.

Ah, now you've identified the real reason for eliminating gas-powered cars. To nudge, nudge, nudge us all into a "15 Minute City."

Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2023 11:18 AM (izj35)

105 If you're like me, you keep your phone charged to 100%, and don't feel comfortable otherwise.

Range anxiety is simply another version of the same thing.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 02, 2023 11:19 AM (I/Qkd)

106 The Owebama administration started the destruction of the US power grid by dismantling a ton of the coal and gas burning power plants.

DFW did have some brownouts this past summer with all the 100 degree days, but that's only because all the coal and gas plants running full tilt all summer are in the SOUTH and the grid can't sustain pushing all the energy that far.

EVERYTHING they tell you about the US energy production is a lie. "Renewable" energy is garbage and can't sustain a damn thing. Drill baby drill.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 11:19 AM (tjClK)

107 I saw an article from some lefty saying she only felt "free" in a city because driving was terrifying.

Now...if you have money you can always take a cab/uber so I guess you mostly get the advantages of a car but if you aren't you are controlled by the public transit schedule.

But...she still describes this as "free". Because letting some bureaucrat control what you can do is free, but having to face your own neurosis is...not free I guess.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 02, 2023 11:19 AM (XqcwY)

108 That's because park-and-rides make it possible to use mass transit while living in single-family housing, and the advocates hate single-family housing as much as they hate cars.

Posted by: The ARC of History!

Which is funny since there isn't enough apartments in or around businesses.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2023 11:19 AM (Y2tls)

109 Leaked Report: Biden Admin Believes Corruption in Ukraine Is Biggest Threat to War Support

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Thank God we don't have that problem here!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 02, 2023 11:19 AM (FVME7)

110 The intent is to get you to stop driving. Cram you into a "walkable city" and let Bill Gates and China manage a few tenant farmers.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 02, 2023 11:19 AM (5iCZZ)

111 Pretty sure our current electricity grid in the US can't handle everyone converting to EVs.

Electrifying the transportation system while electrifying all buildings would roughly double the demand for electricity in the United States.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 02, 2023 11:20 AM (2tUFv)

112 Wrote last week I have made trip to Myrtle Beach. 580 Miles in 10 hours..
Have fun trying that in a EV

Posted by: Skip at October 02, 2023 11:20 AM (ZtYS1)

113
I probably won't either, but if we live long enough, it'll either be inevitable, or we will be living in a society where we don't "buy" ANYTHING.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 02, 2023 11:16 AM (QBaJw)

We'll be shuffled off into poured-concrete tenements and subsisting on government issued bug-based ration bars.

Posted by: This is their dream for us at October 02, 2023 11:20 AM (lR6tR)

114 As to the greenies claims that they aren't heavily subsidized:
Biden admin quietly released study showing green energy receives far more subsidies than fossil fuels

https://tinyurl.com/4c6yyb4p

Posted by: Archimedes at October 02, 2023 11:20 AM (I/Qkd)

115 I saw an article from some lefty saying she only felt "free" in a city because driving was terrifying.

Pistol. Mouth. Trigger. Consume.

Do the rest of humanity a favor.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2023 11:20 AM (Y2tls)

116 Was at a bar not watching the Chiefs / Jets game. Was Taylor Swift suited up and on the field. Every time I looked up at the TV, they were showing her.

Screw you, NFL. And hey Kelce. Enjoy it while it lasts. I'm guessing you completely sold out to fund your upcoming retirement, if the vax doesn't kill you first.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 11:15 AM (tjClK)

I'm pretty sure I've never heard a single note coming from her. They really are shoving her down all of our throats though. I'm not sure why. I mean, she's nice to look at, I assume she does something musically that people like, but she's obviously no longer just a singer.

She's the new thing. The current thing. Everybody must pay attention. Or else.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 02, 2023 11:21 AM (QBaJw)

117 111 Pretty sure our current electricity grid in the US can't handle everyone converting to EVs.

And they know it... They don't want us to all have electric cars... They don't want us to have cars at all

Posted by: It's me donna at October 02, 2023 11:21 AM (bs+z0)

118 Wrote last week I have made trip to Myrtle Beach. 580 Miles in 10 hours..
Have fun trying that in a EV
Posted by: Skip

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It's my understanding that you should just send two real cars ahead.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 02, 2023 11:21 AM (8D7Iu)

119 You Rubes! Internal Combustion vehicles run out of gas all the time! And burst into flames all the time! Why won't you rubes listen!

Posted by: (Not Really) Joe Xiden at October 02, 2023 11:21 AM (xttsV)

120 105 If you're like me, you keep your phone charged to 100%, and don't feel comfortable otherwise.

Based on my ICB driving habits, I'd be the jackass saying "I wonder how far below 0% it really goes?"

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 02, 2023 11:21 AM (4/GJJ)

121 You Rubes! Internal Combustion vehicles run out of gas all the time! And burst into flames all the time! Why won't you rubes listen!
Posted by: (Not Really) Joe Xiden

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Has he not posted on this thread yet?

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 02, 2023 11:21 AM (8D7Iu)

122 ICE*

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 02, 2023 11:22 AM (4/GJJ)

123 EV's are the 21st century version of a perpetual motion machine. IE: We can recycle 100% of the used batteries so we don't need to mine rare earth elements. EV's will always have the range advertised, their charge capacity will not degrade or be effected by environment (extreme heat or cold). Three rules of Thermal Dynamics says not so fast. I love asking EV owners if they know what Entropy is.

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at October 02, 2023 11:22 AM (OgrpQ)

124 @111

>>Electrifying the transportation system while electrifying all buildings would roughly double the demand for electricity in the United States.

Also add in all of the gas stoves, gas furnaces, gas dryers, etc.

They want to do away with all of that, so along with the 10 to the 6 Petabytes of power generation for all of the EV's, we are going to need 10 to the 6 petabytes for everything else.

Again, it's all stupid, but we're all about stupid now.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 02, 2023 11:22 AM (XV/Pl)

125 70 it's bears versus salmon!

https://shorturl.at/BCFW9
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 02, 2023 11:14 AM (ZCPyW)

Cool! That's Brooks Falls in Katmai Park. My Dad took me fishing there several times when I was young.

The bears were a major pain in the arse.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at October 02, 2023 11:22 AM (N3zMI)

126 I probably won't either, but if we live long enough, it'll either be inevitable, or we will be living in a society where we don't "buy" ANYTHING.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 02, 2023 11:16 AM (QBaJw)

We'll be shuffled off into poured-concrete tenements and subsisting on government issued bug-based ration bars.
Posted by: This is their dream for us at October 02, 2023 11:20 AM (lR6tR)

Some will. Most of us will simply... disappear.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 02, 2023 11:23 AM (QBaJw)

127 I only really feel free living in a 15 minute city. All you other people are too stupid to realize how great it is, so I will get leaders elected who will force you to live like I do. Don't worry, you will thank me later.

Later: My 15 minute walkable city is getting crowded and is triggering my anxiety. I think I will move to the suburbs.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 02, 2023 11:23 AM (5iCZZ)

128 It's almost like a few people in D.C. and their friends and family in states like California have a tremendous amount of money invested in pushing EVs on the public.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 02, 2023 11:23 AM (8D7Iu)

129 They want to do away with all of that, so along with the 10 to the 6 Petabytes of power generation for all of the EV's, we are going to need 10 to the 6 petabytes for everything else.

Petawatts?

Posted by: I no wanna petabyte! at October 02, 2023 11:23 AM (lR6tR)

130 EVs are great...for certain people that meet specific criteria. We have one with a fully charged range of a little over 200 miles. It's plenty to drive around town all day for errands, activities, etc, and (with the charging station at home) can fully charge over night. We still have an ICE vehicle for any trips beyond the immediate area. So, most EVs are either a second car for a family, or...

someone that lives in a very dense urban area that doesn't travel much, except to fly to other places. Again, you need to be able to bring it home to a dedicated charger to keep topped off overnight, instead of scrounging for charging stations (and spending tons of time at them, too).

Posted by: Moron Analyst at October 02, 2023 11:24 AM (JCZqz)

131 The electric grid can't support the EV's now on the road, at least not everywhere. The manufacturers haven't the capacity to meet demand if/when ICE are no longer permitted except under certain circumstances and at great expense. These things are well understood by FedGov, the various utility companies and vehicle manufacturers.

Yet, they persist. Because they know what they are doing.

Once the majority of the population is immobilized other, more draconian measures can be implemented.

A mobile society is difficult to subjugate.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 02, 2023 11:24 AM (Q4IgG)

132 Well cut-loop - have to look more into that

Posted by: Skip at October 02, 2023 11:24 AM (ZtYS1)

133 Also you can charge at your own house so you're always leaving your house with 100%

Not possible for a large and growing number of American apartment dwellers. Also many others due to equipment costs and utility service limitations.

Posted by: Diesel Jones, Biologist at October 02, 2023 11:24 AM (Vu7A1)

134 Wrote last week I have made trip to Myrtle Beach. 580 Miles in 10 hours..
Have fun trying that in a EV
Posted by: Skip

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It's my understanding that you should just send two real cars ahead.
Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine

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Or tow tow your own wind turbine attachment.

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at October 02, 2023 11:24 AM (0r10c)

135 I'm pretty sure I've never heard a single note coming from her. They really are shoving her down all of our throats though. I'm not sure why. I mean, she's nice to look at, I assume she does something musically that people like, but she's obviously no longer just a singer.

She's the new thing. The current thing. Everybody must pay attention. Or else.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 02, 2023 11:21 AM (QBaJw)

Kelce's jersey sales rocketed to #1 the day after she was seen wearing his in the suites the first time. Now he's doing vax and flu shot commercials, State Farm commercials among a few other things.

People have forgotten that the NFL hates them, and anyone that did leave has been replaced, likely temporarily, by Swifties, or idiots that don't know one damn thing about football.

They even had a timer on Kelce and mentioned that "it's been over 33 minutes since his last catch."

F*ck the NFL.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 11:24 AM (tjClK)

136 As to the greenies claims that they aren't heavily subsidized:
Biden admin quietly released study showing green energy receives far more subsidies than fossil fuels

The difference is that if you reduce subsidies for fossil fuels, fossil fuels get more expensive.

If you reduce subsidies for "green energy", the industry collapses.

"Green energy" is utterly dependent on the continuation of fossil fuels.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 02, 2023 11:24 AM (2tUFv)

137 I've noticed there is always EV drama at work.

Someone hogging up the space...someone unplugging someone they don't like...and so on.

And no, I'm not responsible for any of it...
Posted by: 18-1 at October 02, 2023 11:16 AM (XqcwY)

You pull the plug out just far enough to break the connection so it still looks plugged in.

Posted by: BignJames at October 02, 2023 11:24 AM (AwYPR)

138 Next big thing- hot swap EV batteries.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 02, 2023 11:24 AM (5iCZZ)

139 Pretty sure our current electricity grid in the US can't handle everyone converting to EVs.
Posted by: Lizzy

Toyota did a study 2008-ish. Nope. Not possible without a complete re-electrification, top-down Depression like effort (failure).

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 02, 2023 11:24 AM (IG4Id)

140 @129

>>Petawatts?

Right, I'm currently sizing an Isilon SAN for a client and my brain got all con-fuse-ed.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 02, 2023 11:25 AM (XV/Pl)

141 The bears were a major pain in the arse.

"Tell me about it!"
-- Brad Pitt

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 11:25 AM (xTRSc)

142 Even if there were an explosion of charging stations over the next few years, on par with gas stations, I still wouldn't want an EV. Logistically, who wants to sit around for an hour (or something extremely inconvenient) to charge the thing? I sure don't.

Posted by: Lady in Black at October 02, 2023 11:25 AM (mupln)

143 Electrifying the transportation system while electrifying all buildings would roughly double the demand for electricity in the United States.
Posted by: The ARC of History!

We don't have have enough copper. Let alone other metals.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2023 11:25 AM (Y2tls)

144 So...Newsome goes with a carpetbagger.
No surprise really.
Meanwhile Ol Joe is telling the Dems they will need to respect the soon to come White minority.
Right.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 02, 2023 11:26 AM (uSHSS)

145 If you poors would just get rich like us Riches, you could afford a nice house, a two cars, daycare and save for your kids college.

We're retired now but it's just so much whining from you poors-- we did it so why can't you?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 02, 2023 11:26 AM (WxSX0)

146
Our "elite" also don't have plans to expand power generation.

But they do have plans to REDUCE it by shutting down coal and gas operated plants.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at October 02, 2023 11:26 AM (63Dwl)

147 ICE vehicles bettered electric vehicles back in 1920. Why are we having this discussion again?

Posted by: mr tmz at October 02, 2023 11:26 AM (rJ48h)

148 Love hearing EV companies say you shouldn't use your heater in cold weather or AC in hot weather. Suffer if you want to save the planet

Posted by: Smell the Glove at October 02, 2023 11:26 AM (gZYFY)

149 "Tell me about it!"
-- Brad Pitt

.....

I thought that was DiCaprio?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 02, 2023 11:26 AM (4/GJJ)

150
"Tell me about it!"
-- Brad Pitt

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 11:25 AM (xTRSc)

"You too?"
-- Leonardo DiCaprio

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at October 02, 2023 11:26 AM (OgrpQ)

151 She's the new thing. The current thing. Everybody must pay attention. Or else.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 02, 2023 11:21 AM (QBaJw)

Kelce's jersey sales rocketed to #1 the day after she was seen wearing his in the suites the first time. Now he's doing vax and flu shot commercials, State Farm commercials among a few other things.

People have forgotten that the NFL hates them, and anyone that did leave has been replaced, likely temporarily, by Swifties, or idiots that don't know one damn thing about football.

They even had a timer on Kelce and mentioned that "it's been over 33 minutes since his last catch."

F*ck the NFL.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 11:24 AM (tjClK)

People, writ large, are retarded herd animals.

Posted by: Sheep scoff at the idiocy of humans at October 02, 2023 11:26 AM (lR6tR)

152 Pretty sure our current electricity grid in the US can't handle everyone converting to EVs.
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And they know it... They don't want us to all have electric cars... They don't want us to have cars at all
Posted by: It's me donna at October 02, 2023 11:21 AM (bs+z0)

Bingo. Everyone acts like this is too big a conspiracy to believe. Well, not everyone, but the straights out there, they can't wrap their heads around it.

The camps are real. I've seen them. Others had family members who died in them.

Their methods will be different his time, but it's the same thing. On an exponentially more massive scale.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 02, 2023 11:26 AM (QBaJw)

153 My wife's V8 F150 is getting 26.4 mpg.
Full tank is 535 miles to empty.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2023 11:16 AM (Y2tls)

We need to ban high capacity gas tanks!

Posted by: Gavin Newsom at October 02, 2023 11:27 AM (Gs3JA)

154 Yet, they persist. Because they know what they are doing.

Once the majority of the population is immobilized other, more draconian measures can be implemented.

A mobile society is difficult to subjugate.

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By 2030, all your transport will be via cattle car -- and you will be happy, comrade!

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at October 02, 2023 11:27 AM (0r10c)

155 Virtue Sigmobiles. That's all EV cars are.

Posted by: Truck Monkey Report at October 02, 2023 11:27 AM (ZV+pB)

156 I don't think there are many places where parking on the street and charging a vehicle is doable.
Posted by: Puddinhead at October 02, 2023

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On the way home every day, I see a Tesla parked at the curb by a local park, charging up. And it looks to be the same car every day. Somebody's bogarting that power, man.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at October 02, 2023 11:27 AM (J2vNu)

157 95 EVs are heavier, so there's more wear-and-tear on the roads.
EVs burn much hotter/longer than regular cars, so they take a lot more work and water to put out.
EV batteries are incredibly expensive to replace.

They make no sense for most people, and they are not "better for the environment" when you consider the source of their charge is some sort of fossil fuel.
Posted by: Lizzy at October 02, 2023 11:17 AM (izj35)

My Cub Scout troop took a tour of a Fire Station and I asked about EV cars, and the response is get the person out and let it burn. Remember that Grand Tour super car burned for 3 days

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at October 02, 2023 11:27 AM (dKiJG)

158 Next big thing- hot swap EV batteries.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

You can't get every manufacturer to agree on a standard couplng for a friggen cell phone, let alone vehicles.

Now do battery compartments.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2023 11:27 AM (Y2tls)

159 ICE vehicles bettered electric vehicles back in 1920. Why are we having this discussion again?

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Because Biden, Kerry, Pelosi, and countless (R)s as well as governors and government bureaucrats have stock in companies that will make them richer when they ban working vehicles.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 02, 2023 11:27 AM (8D7Iu)

160 We just need state mandated $100 minimum wage. Then everyone can afford an EV.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 02, 2023 11:27 AM (5iCZZ)

161 Oops, I guess it was DiCaprio.

I get them mixed up all the time.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 11:27 AM (xTRSc)

162 I seem to recall someone here also making the "ICE cars catch on fire all the time too!!' argument. MooMoo??

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 11:28 AM (krqg6)

163 The only electric car I'll ever own will be powered by an onboard nuclear reactor.

Until then, I'll club baby seals for the oil to burn.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 02, 2023 11:28 AM (WxSX0)

164 We're retired now but it's just so much whining from you poors-- we did it so why can't you?

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 02, 2023 11:26 AM (WxSX0)

Seriously.

And these poors want $15 an hour to work. The audacity.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 02, 2023 11:28 AM (4/GJJ)

165 "Victoria Fierce", a transgender Communist "housing advocate" in California explained things very succinctly five years ago:

Opinion: Why Building Housing Near Mass Transit Promotes Collectivism

It will break us from the chains of capitalistic individualism and the destructive car-centric lifestyle.

https://tinyurl.com/2ramwvbv

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 02, 2023 11:28 AM (2tUFv)

166 Then everyone can afford an EV.
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And a mortgage!

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 11:28 AM (krqg6)

167 121 You Rubes! Internal Combustion vehicles run out of gas all the time! And burst into flames all the time! Why won't you rubes listen!
Posted by: (Not Really) Joe Xiden

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Has he not posted on this thread yet?
Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 02, 2023 11:21 AM (8D7Iu)

I think he got banned

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 02, 2023 11:28 AM (xcxpd)

168 161 Oops, I guess it was DiCaprio.

I get them mixed up all the time.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 11:27 AM (xTRSc)

DiCaprio was smart enough to not marry Angelina Jolie

Posted by: It's me donna at October 02, 2023 11:28 AM (bs+z0)

169 We need to ban high capacity gas tanks!

Posted by: Gavin Newsom at October 02, 2023 11:27 AM (Gs3JA)

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High-capacity ASSAULT gas tanks!

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at October 02, 2023 11:29 AM (0r10c)

170 You Rubes! Internal Combustion vehicles run out of gas all the time! And burst into flames all the time! Why won't you rubes listen!
Posted by: (Not Really) Joe Xiden

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Has he not posted on this thread yet?
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I think he got banned

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Montec got banned?

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 02, 2023 11:29 AM (8D7Iu)

171 >>I've done 300 miles from Wharton County, Tx to Hunt County, TX in 5 hours more than once.

Posted by: DanMan at October 02, 2023 11:29 AM (8uzBS)

172 They even had a timer on Kelce and mentioned that "it's been over 33 minutes since his last catch."

F*ck the NFL.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 11:24 AM (tjClK)
***

Best meme of the day so far: Jason Kelce is rumored to be dating Jake from State Farm because there is a picture of Jake sitting next to Kelce's mom at the last game.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 02, 2023 11:29 AM (uSHSS)

173 We have a diesel truck with a 36 gallon fuel tank. With diesel currently $6 a gallon, it costs over $200 to fill up. Thanks DC.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 02, 2023 11:29 AM (l10hq)

174 I don't worry about the mass electrification a lot, because it's never going to happen. It's physically impossible at any price, and it will get too expensive way before we ever get close to total electrification.

I'll believe they're serious when they quit subsidizing heating oil for Grandma in Maine. Although if they could figure out some grift to move her to an electric heater run by solar panels and batteries, they would probably do that.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 02, 2023 11:29 AM (7B5FA)

175
Opinion: Why Building Housing Near Mass Transit Promotes Collectivism

And rampant crime

Posted by: It's me donna at October 02, 2023 11:29 AM (bs+z0)

176 Also, skateboard chassis are moot since all auto mfrs went to monocoque frames ( yes, that pronounced 'mono-cock,' you degenerates .)

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 02, 2023 11:29 AM (IG4Id)

177 I don't worry about the mass electrification a lot, because it's never going to happen. It's physically impossible at any price, and it will get too expensive way before we ever get close to total electrification.

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Now you're catching on.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 02, 2023 11:30 AM (8D7Iu)

178 The USAF is installing a micro-nuclear reactor at Eilson AFB. The expectation is for the reactor to be online in 2027.

Maybe micro nukes are the answer, sometime in the future.

LINK: https://tinyurl.com/ca32rwh6

Posted by: mrp at October 02, 2023 11:30 AM (rj6Yv)

179 The only electric car I'll ever own will be powered by an onboard nuclear reactor.

Until then, I'll club baby seals for the oil to burn.
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Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 1h
NEW 🚨 Russia may be planning to test a nuclear-powered missile, New York Times reports

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 11:30 AM (krqg6)

180 If I had to stop every 150-200 miles to recharge, that's going to significantly increase my time if I have to wait 1 hour or more for a recharge, rather than 10 minutes.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 02, 2023 11:06 AM (YIVH2)

Yep, you've caught on. This is regressive in terms of travel freedom and an achieved overall quality of life.

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 02, 2023 11:31 AM (qPw5n)

181 It would take one manufacturer like Tesla to take the risk and do it.

Pull onto the pad, stick your card in the machine, $25 later it removes your old battery, clicks in a new one, and you are on your way in 5 minutes.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 02, 2023 11:31 AM (5iCZZ)

182 People, writ large, are retarded herd animals.
Posted by: Sheep scoff at the idiocy of humans at October 02, 2023 11:26 AM (lR6tR)

And ultimately, what does one do with herd animals.

If you have, say, 8 billion cattle, and you've done all your research, and have determined that somewhere around 90% of them are sick in some way. What do you do.

You sure don't let them keep breeding and infecting the supposedly healthy cows.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 02, 2023 11:31 AM (QBaJw)

183 170 Montec got banned?
Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 02, 2023 11:29 AM (8D7Iu)

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His posts are still up on the previous thread, so no banning.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 02, 2023 11:31 AM (LvTSG)

184 Hybrids make sense to me EV don't.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at October 02, 2023 11:31 AM (dKiJG)

185 ***

Best meme of the day so far: Jason Kelce is rumored to be dating Jake from State Farm because there is a picture of Jake sitting next to Kelce's mom at the last game.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 02, 2023 11:29 AM (uSHSS)

I do think the State Farm commercial with "Mahomes and Maauto" is funny.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 11:32 AM (tjClK)

186 I think it was Joe XiDen who got banned.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 11:32 AM (xTRSc)

187 "Tell me about it!"
-- Brad Pitt

.....

I thought that was DiCaprio?
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 02, 2023 11:26 AM (4/GJJ)

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It was

Posted by: Timothy Treadwell at October 02, 2023 11:32 AM (ZV+pB)

188 ========

His posts are still up on the previous thread, so no banning.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 02, 2023 11:31 AM (LvTSG)

Yes. When Ace bans you, your entire existence is wiped from AoS as if you never existed.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 11:33 AM (tjClK)

189 ( yes, that pronounced 'mono-cock,' you degenerates .)
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🐓

🐓 🐓
duococks

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 11:33 AM (krqg6)

190 His posts are still up on the previous thread, so no banning.

.....

I think they were implying Montec is Joe Xiden.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 02, 2023 11:33 AM (4/GJJ)

191 ICE vehicles bettered electric vehicles back in 1920. Why are we having this discussion again?

Posted by: mr tmz at October 02, 2023 11:26 AM (rJ48h)

Yep, but some magical Ancient Aliens technology will change that this time. idiots think they can manifest something into existence despite the realities of the laws of physics. These people believe in perpetual motion.

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at October 02, 2023 11:33 AM (OgrpQ)

192 NEW 🚨 Russia may be planning to test a nuclear-powered missile, New York Times reports
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 11:30 AM (krqg6)

In the fraction of a second before I got to the end of that sentence, I thought it was gonna be "New York is the test site."

I don't know why I thought that.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 02, 2023 11:33 AM (QBaJw)

193 Yes. When Ace bans you, your entire existence is wiped from AoS as if you never existed.
Posted by: Sponge

So, you are not the same Sponge as the one who posted the Queensryche lyrics?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 11:34 AM (xTRSc)

194 It's important to get rid of individual cars, because individuals like this exist and get behind the wheel, whatever the motive force.

https://tinyurl.com/yc8c5fjd

Posted by: Archimedes at October 02, 2023 11:34 AM (I/Qkd)

195 Yes. When Ace bans you, your entire existence is wiped from AoS as if you never existed.
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Lost like ValuRite in zee rain.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 11:34 AM (krqg6)

196 "Add to it that IIRC, all those EV charging stations are gas powered (tanks underground)."

Most smaller generators are much less efficient than the major power plants, afaik. Maybe when natural gas was really cheap it might have been "cost effective" ... but even natural gas is not "Woke" enough for the alleged green machine.

Posted by: illiniwek at October 02, 2023 11:34 AM (Cus5s)

197 183 170 Montec got banned?
Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 02, 2023 11:29 AM (8D7Iu)

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His posts are still up on the previous thread, so no banning.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 02, 2023 11:31 AM (LvTSG)

Would appear so. Just being an out-of-touch Dave-Ramsey-like boomer meme with extra dissembling doesn't seem to be grounds for bannination.

Posted by: If you can't afford a 450,000 house then you're STUPID at October 02, 2023 11:35 AM (lR6tR)

198 Nobody needs more than 5 gallons of gas in a tank. I mean, I work from home, and have everything delivered, so I only use 1 gallon per week. 5 should be sufficient for everyone.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 02, 2023 11:35 AM (5iCZZ)

199 I think it was Joe XiDen who got banned.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

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Yes, that name was banned. His new handle wasn't.

moo moo the everlasting.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 02, 2023 11:35 AM (8D7Iu)

200 188 Yes. When Ace bans you, your entire existence is wiped from AoS as if you never existed.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 11:33 AM (tjClK)

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This reminds me of a song...

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 02, 2023 11:35 AM (LvTSG)

201 I think they were implying Montec is Joe Xiden.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 02, 2023 11:33 AM (4/GJJ)

This is my shocked face.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 02, 2023 11:35 AM (QBaJw)

202 Toyota did a study 2008-ish. Nope. Not possible without a complete re-electrification, top-down Depression like effort (failure). Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 02, 2023 11:24 AM (IG4Id)

This is 2023. There have been recent studies. It's really not, on a large scale, that big a deal. There's so much excess capacity on the transmission grid most of the time that it's, by and large, manageable at the large scale.

Where the point of failure is, is on the local scale. The overall grid might be able to handle millions of EVs, say in NYISO or PJM. But Disinformation's daughter's neighborhood distribution grid can't handle the upgrade that would be required if several people had chargers. The actual point of failure is usually the step-down transformer for the 220 volt loop.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 02, 2023 11:35 AM (7B5FA)

203 The USAF is installing a micro-nuclear reactor at Eilson AFB. The expectation is for the reactor to be online in 2027.

Maybe micro nukes are the answer, sometime in the future.

LINK: https://tinyurl.com/ca32rwh6
Posted by: mrp at October 02, 2023 11:30 AM (rj6Yv)

They're working on fusion reactors for energy creation. Which is all well and good, as long as it stays contained. If it breaks containment, we're all f*cked.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 11:35 AM (tjClK)

204 We just need state mandated $100 minimum wage. Then everyone can afford an EV.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at October 02, 2023 11:27 AM (5iCZZ)
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Ha! This is just the sort of crap they say. AOC, that economics genius, probably already has.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 02, 2023 11:35 AM (I7wMT)

205 190 I think they were implying Montec is Joe Xiden.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 02, 2023 11:33 AM (4/GJJ)

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I've always assumed they were the same person.

But I never hated Joe Xiden anyway.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 02, 2023 11:35 AM (LvTSG)

206 grounds for bannination

I thought it was "bannitude."

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 11:35 AM (xTRSc)

207 The US tried developing nuclear powered plane engines in the 50's. The terrible failure is on display in Arco, ID near the national lab. It's huge and heavy and spews radioactivity out of the exhaust. Great idea!

Posted by: Maj. Healey at October 02, 2023 11:36 AM (l10hq)

208 Last year, one of the bosses had a Tesla.
She was looking all the time for charger.

This year, she showed up in a gas car

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 02, 2023 11:36 AM (WxSX0)

209 158 Next big thing- hot swap EV batteries.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

You can't get every manufacturer to agree on a standard couplng for a friggen cell phone, let alone vehicles.
Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2023 11:27 AM

We've already achieved hot-swap wives, with universal couplers that accept all sort of plug-ins from various angles. Doing the same for cars shouldn't be that great a leap!! If elected, I promise to bring my public plug-in expertise to help solve this national problem!

Posted by: Susanna Gibson at October 02, 2023 11:36 AM (JCZqz)

210 Pull onto the pad, stick your card in the machine, $25 later it removes your old battery, clicks in a new one, and you are on your way in 5 minutes.

I'm sure he will, but at first, it will only be wealthier patrons who can afford an additional large "convenience" charge. After awhile, access for everyone will become a civil right.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 02, 2023 11:36 AM (I/Qkd)

211 Red neck Elon.

Elon made good use of his weekend by getting in some range time with his Barrett .50 Cal and triggering wokies at the same time 😌🇺🇸

https://tinyurl.com/577h7ctf

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 02, 2023 11:36 AM (FVME7)

212 201 I think they were implying Montec is Joe Xiden.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 02, 2023 11:33 AM (4/GJJ)

This is my shocked face.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 02, 2023 11:35 AM (QBaJw)

The shtick is far too similar to merely be coincidence.

Posted by: Buy electric cars! Can't afford one? LOL STUPID at October 02, 2023 11:36 AM (lR6tR)

213
Son-in-law had an EV for awhile. He said it was mostly useful for getting a good parking spot at the recharging stations near the front door.
Better parking than the handicapped.
Posted by: Diogenes at October 02, 2023 11:07 AM (uSHSS)

Heh. Most of the charging stations here in Central CA appear to be furthest away from the front door, basically next to the sidewalk on a main street. So owning an EV here means that you will ALWAYS have to walk the full length of the parking lot.

Anything to get us American fatasses to exercise, I guess.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 02, 2023 11:36 AM (n+4am)

214
So, you are not the same Sponge as the one who posted the Queensryche lyrics?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 11:34 AM (xTRSc)

I don't know what you're talking about here. You must have me confused with someone else.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 11:36 AM (tjClK)

215 Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 1h
BREAKING: Trump calls his civil fraud trial in New York 'horror show'

Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 47m
BREAKING - Trump in New York: "This is a continuation of the single greatest witch hunt of all time."

[Also discussed corruption at all levels of government.]

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 11:36 AM (krqg6)

216 "Joe Biden Tells Democrats to Treat Future White Minority ‘with Respect'
Posted by: It's Happening"

So the abuse will stop when whites are no longer a majority? Yeah, sure. I'm thinking more like South Africa, at best.

Posted by: Ripley at October 02, 2023 11:36 AM (JojsZ)

217 Apple confirms fix for iPhone 15 overheating problem is on the way

Now do EVs.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2023 11:36 AM (Y2tls)

218 Would appear so. Just being an out-of-touch Dave-Ramsey-like boomer meme with extra dissembling doesn't seem to be grounds for bannination.
Posted by: If you can't afford a 450,000 house then you're STUPID at October 02, 2023 11:35 AM (lR6tR)

It doesn't matter. He just keeps changing is nic over and over and over again. He's here to stay.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 02, 2023 11:37 AM (QBaJw)

219 @200

>>This reminds me of a song...

*Rock Music Blares **

Ersatz Geoff Tate: Operation Mindc.......

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 02, 2023 11:37 AM (XV/Pl)

220 Next big thing- hot swap EV batteries.
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They were trying that 12-15 years ago or so. I remember all the articles about how it would be the solution, same as making the roads the source of electricity.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 02, 2023 11:37 AM (8D7Iu)

221 The only way to make it on an EV road trip is if you coordinate your travels around Buc-ee's locations. They have Tesla chargers by the dozen.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 11:37 AM (tjClK)

222 158 Next big thing- hot swap EV batteries.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

Taiwan company Gogoro has that for scooters and is expanding to India, the problem is for cars the batteries are too big

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at October 02, 2023 11:38 AM (dKiJG)

223 The USAF is installing a micro-nuclear reactor at Eilson AFB. The expectation is for the reactor to be online in 2027. Maybe micro nukes are the answer, sometime in the future. LINK: https://tinyurl.com/ca32rwh6 Posted by: mrp at October 02, 2023 11:30 AM (rj6Yv)

The Navy's been doing micro-nukes for 60+ years.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 02, 2023 11:38 AM (7B5FA)

224 The only electric car I'll ever own will be powered by an onboard nuclear reactor.

Until then, I'll club baby seals for the oil to burn.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice

Good luck finding an available Navy Nuke to ride with you. I think the wash out % for that rate going through Power School is something north of 60%.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 02, 2023 11:38 AM (qoGsy)

225 Stay anxious please, lose sleep over *gasp* range anxiety! Save the chargers for us then. Really - everything else in the world is moving away from mechanical parts. Let me know the next time you have problems with your "drive train" or whatever.

Posted by: Charles at October 02, 2023 11:38 AM (wrce4)

226 Next big thing- hot swap EV batteries.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

Saw a guy who LS swapped a Tesla S. He would still park it in the EV slots. Genuis.

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at October 02, 2023 11:38 AM (OgrpQ)

227 It's huge and heavy and spews radioactivity out of the exhaust. Great idea!
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The Lizzo F-69

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 11:38 AM (krqg6)

228 Pull onto the pad, stick your card in the machine, $25 later it removes your old battery, clicks in a new one, and you are on your way in 5 minutes.

And it'll be like dinged up, leaking swappable propane tanks out front of Wal Mart.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2023 11:38 AM (Y2tls)

229 Atomic wedgie.

Woman sues Disney for waterslide wedgie that sent her to the hospital

https://tinyurl.com/2sakfuub

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 02, 2023 11:38 AM (FVME7)

230 "Joe Biden Tells Democrats to Treat Future White Minority ‘with Respect"

Someday, a minority white may be even be crowned Miss USA.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 11:39 AM (xTRSc)

231 I've always assumed they were the same person.

But I never hated Joe Xiden anyway.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 02, 2023 11:35 AM (LvTSG)

Same. Hate's too strong a response. Ignore is more appropriate.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 02, 2023 11:39 AM (QBaJw)

232 The only way to make it on an EV road trip is if you coordinate your travels around Buc-ee's locations. They have Tesla chargers by the dozen. Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 11:37 AM (tjClK)

But nowhere to sit down. Great bathrooms.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 02, 2023 11:39 AM (7B5FA)

233 Hot swap batteries?

I have two for my push mower. Takes 30 minutes to charge each one. I get about 15 minutes of use from each. Used to get about 20 - 25 minutes but the batteries are now 3 years old.

And no longer manufactured in the voltage required by the mower.

Go figure.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 02, 2023 11:39 AM (Q4IgG)

234 Last year, one of the bosses had a Tesla.
She was looking all the time for charger.

This year, she showed up in a gas car

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50-75% of EV sales in the U.S. are to government and businesses.

Almost no one buys one with their own money.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 02, 2023 11:39 AM (8D7Iu)

235 “It appears that the government itself is the author of the most incriminating and damning document in this case, which was mysteriously sent at government request to Proud Boy leader Enrique Tarrio immediately prior to January 6 in order to frame or implicate Tarrio in a government- created scheme to storm buildings around the Capitol. As such, Exhibit 528-1 and the government’s efforts to frame or smear defendants with it, constitutes outrageous government conduct. This is either entrapment or outrageous government conduct, or both. Equally improper, it is a Brady violation because the Department of Justice must surely have known these revelations before putting Special Agent Dubrowski on the stand on February 9 to introduce this evidence.”

Posted by: SMOD at October 02, 2023 11:40 AM (RHGPo)

236 The only way to make it on an EV road trip is if you coordinate your travels around Buc-ee's locations. They have Tesla chargers by the dozen.
Posted by: Sponge

True Sponge but in my neck of the woods those charger spots are taken by ICE vehicles as there are no other spots available for parking during peak travel times.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 02, 2023 11:40 AM (qoGsy)

237 But nowhere to sit down. Great bathrooms.

I think you answered your own dilemma.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 02, 2023 11:40 AM (4/GJJ)

238 "Joe Biden Tells Democrats to Treat Future White Minority ‘with Respect"

when we "whites" are the minority, we will be grant 45% of the starting positions in the nfl and nba?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 02, 2023 11:40 AM (pVWRI)

239 grounds for bannination

I thought it was "bannitude."
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

Bannitude is what gets you a bannation.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2023 11:40 AM (Y2tls)

240 235 “It appears that the government itself is the author of the most incriminating and damning document in this case, which was mysteriously sent at government request to Proud Boy leader Enrique Tarrio immediately prior to January 6 in order to frame or implicate Tarrio in a government- created scheme to storm buildings around the Capitol. As such, Exhibit 528-1 and the government’s efforts to frame or smear defendants with it, constitutes outrageous government conduct. This is either entrapment or outrageous government conduct, or both. Equally improper, it is a Brady violation because the Department of Justice must surely have known these revelations before putting Special Agent Dubrowski on the stand on February 9 to introduce this evidence.”
Posted by: SMOD at October 02, 2023 11:40 AM (RHGPo)

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"So? Like I give a shit."
-Every single Judge in America

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 02, 2023 11:40 AM (LvTSG)

241 217 Apple confirms fix for iPhone 15 overheating problem is on the way
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The icePack -- $375 retail??

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 11:40 AM (krqg6)

242
True Sponge but in my neck of the woods those charger spots are taken by ICE vehicles as there are no other spots available for parking during peak travel times.
Posted by: Tonypete at October 02, 2023 11:40 AM (qoGsy)

LOL.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 11:41 AM (tjClK)

243 "Joe Biden Tells Democrats to Treat Future White Minority ‘with Respect"

when we "whites" are the minority, we will be grant 45% of the starting positions in the nfl and nba?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 02, 2023 11:40 AM (pVWRI

I wants mys ebts card!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2023 11:41 AM (Y2tls)

244 238 "Joe Biden Tells Democrats to Treat Future White Minority ‘with Respect"

when we "whites" are the minority, we will be grant 45% of the starting positions in the nfl and nba?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 02, 2023 11:40 AM (pVWRI)

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It's racist to point out that Democrats advocate for the great replacement theory.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 02, 2023 11:41 AM (LvTSG)

245 If you poors would just get rich like us Riches,
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at October 02, 2023 11:26 AM

Posh posh. As if we want more of the hoi polloi to be rich.

Posted by: Your Betters at October 02, 2023 11:41 AM (xttsV)

246 But nowhere to sit down. Great bathrooms.

I think you answered your own dilemma.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger

"Here I sit, brokenhearted. . . "

Posted by: Tonypete at October 02, 2023 11:41 AM (qoGsy)

247 I am waiting for the left to argue government should control how often one can buy gasoline. They like to do that sort of thing, plus it would create range anxiety among IC engine users similar to that presently known only to EV users.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 02, 2023 11:11 AM (ZCPyW)

I’ve been watching some TV about life in the UK during WWII; realistic and they had ration cards…. Couldn’t go beyond your allotment with penalties in place for violations. Governments already have experience with this sort of thing…,

Posted by: LinusVanPelt at October 02, 2023 11:41 AM (m6dV4)

248 @220

>>They were trying that 12-15 years ago or so. I remember all the articles about how it would be the solution, same as making the roads the source of electricity.

Physics rears it's ugly head.

An EV battery is anywhere from half a ton to over a ton.

Imagine trying to swap out the 2500 lb extended range batter pack on the new Silverado?

And then after you've swapped it, what are going to do with it?

You basically have a 2500 lb paperweight that needs to be stored and charged anywhere from 2 hours to overnight in order to be used in another vehicle.

EV batteries are not propane canisters.

It's just all so stupid and ridiculous.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 02, 2023 11:42 AM (XV/Pl)

249 The only way to make it on an EV road trip is if you coordinate your travels around Buc-ee's locations. They have Tesla chargers by the dozen.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 11:37 AM (tjClK)

Having made the trip back and forth between here and Western Colorado this year, I'm lucky there are enough gas stations.

I genuinely have to plan my fillups.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 02, 2023 11:42 AM (QBaJw)

250 "Joe Biden Tells Democrats to Treat Future White Minority ‘with Respect'

Just remember that the Great Replacement Theory is an evil, racist conspiracy theory that needs to be suppressed.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at October 02, 2023 11:42 AM (2tUFv)

251 Really - everything else in the world is moving away from mechanical parts.

Truly, you have a staggering intellect.

Posted by: spindrift at October 02, 2023 11:42 AM (G2KPu)

252 197 183 170 Montec got banned?
Posted by: The recovered remains. . .
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His posts are still up on the previous thread, so no banning. Posted by: TheJamesMadison. . .

Would appear so. Just being an out-of-touch Dave-Ramsey-like boomer meme with extra dissembling doesn't seem to be grounds for bannination. Posted by: If you can't afford . . .
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Long history of pulling facts out of ass to post. The signal to noise ratio of that particular poster makes it worthwhile to ignore. Suspect that nic of many handles also has an alter ego nic posting on political threads which is the same as spam filler.
Boring posts devoid of content.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2023 11:42 AM (DrYw/)

253 It's huge and heavy and spews radioactivity out of the exhaust.

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Like Whoopie Goldberg.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at October 02, 2023 11:42 AM (FVME7)

254
Having made the trip back and forth between here and Western Colorado this year, I'm lucky there are enough gas stations.

I genuinely have to plan my fillups.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 02, 2023 11:42 AM (QBaJw)

I really need to get that 50 gal tank for my truck.........

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 11:43 AM (tjClK)

255 The only way to make it on an EV road trip is if you coordinate your travels around Buc-ee's locations. They have Tesla chargers by the dozen. Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 11:37 AM (tjClK)

But nowhere to sit down. Great bathrooms.
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 02, 2023 11:39 AM (7B5FA)

Browse the store. Stand in line for Beaver Nuggets / jerky / brisket sammiches.

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 02, 2023 11:43 AM (4I/2K)

256 I won't say the hot swap is impossible, but those EV batteries are a lot more delicate than you might think. A little puncture or crumple can lead to a big fire down the road.

I know of warehouses that have done hot swaps on forklifts etc. with regular old lead-acid battery trays. They have 3 sets -- one in the forklift, one cooling off, and one charging -- on 8-hour rotations.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 02, 2023 11:43 AM (7B5FA)

257 @238

>>when we "whites" are the minority, we will be grant 45% of the starting positions in the nfl and nba?

Uhm, no, what's going to happen, I cannot say on this family friendly blog, but it's not going to be good.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 02, 2023 11:43 AM (XV/Pl)

258 252 Boring posts devoid of content.
Posted by: whig at October 02, 2023 11:42 AM (DrYw/)

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Well, enough about my movie threads.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 02, 2023 11:43 AM (LvTSG)

259 Stay anxious please, lose sleep over *gasp* range anxiety! Save the chargers for us then. Really - everything else in the world is moving away from mechanical parts. Let me know the next time you have problems with your "drive train" or whatever.
Posted by: Charles at October 02, 2023 11:38 AM (wrce4)

HELP! My house is burning down because I left the EV in the garage.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at October 02, 2023 11:44 AM (AiZBA)

260 FWIW, my Camry gets approximately 40 mph on the highway. ICE only, of course.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 02, 2023 11:44 AM (qoGsy)

261
EVs don't have mechanical parts? So they just magic themselves up to highway speeds?

You must have an Ivy League humanities graduate degree. No one else could be that stoopid.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 02, 2023 11:44 AM (n+4am)

262 I am waiting for the left to argue government should control how often one can buy gasoline.

LOL. Just wait.

Lots of stuff we'll be able to do soon.

Posted by: Federal Electronic Money! at October 02, 2023 11:44 AM (2tUFv)

263 hiya

Posted by: JT at October 02, 2023 11:44 AM (T4tVD)

264 FWIW, my Camry gets approximately 40 mph on the highway. ICE only, of course.
Posted by: Tonypete at October 02, 2023 11:44 AM (qoGsy)

So YOU'RE that asshole clogging the left lane.......

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 11:44 AM (tjClK)

265 Your wait on a public EV charger is dependent on competition from 2-4% of other drivers. The government would like to make that 100%.

Hope you're not in a hurry.

Posted by: Grudge Harbor at October 02, 2023 11:44 AM (hCzfy)

266 LOL.

Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 2h
NEW 🚨 Michael Lewis: Sam Bankman-Fried planned to pay 5 billion dollars to Trump to not to run for president -- 60 Minutes

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 11:45 AM (krqg6)

267 Long history of pulling facts out of ass to post.

I'm standing right here, you know.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2023 11:45 AM (Y2tls)

268 Stay anxious please, lose sleep over *gasp* range anxiety! Save the chargers for us then.

I'd be happy to, as soon as I don't have to pay for your virtue signaling golf cart recharging station. Please arrange it.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 02, 2023 11:45 AM (I/Qkd)

269 "the greatest impediment to them being widely adopted is their range limitation... "

There is a reason for your anxiety. For what purpose are you driving more than fifteen minutes from your domicile, comrade? Get your booster.

Posted by: t-bird at October 02, 2023 11:45 AM (CaJIi)

270
Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 2h
NEW 🚨 Michael Lewis: Sam Bankman-Fried planned to pay 5 billion dollars to Trump to not to run for president -- 60 Minutes
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 11:45 AM (krqg6)

That's pretty significant election tampering, no?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 11:45 AM (tjClK)

271 Double threat - 1976 Ford Pinto converted to Electric. Either way you house will burn down.

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at October 02, 2023 11:45 AM (OgrpQ)

272 203 The USAF is installing a micro-nuclear reactor at Eilson AFB. The expectation is for the reactor to be online in 2027.
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Fort Belvoir has one that was decommissioned 30 or 40 years ago.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 02, 2023 11:45 AM (ntk8v)

273 I have an EV (Tesla Model S) for the performance and features (instant torque, 0-60 in 3sec!) and it always amuses me when I read articles about what non-Tesla cars have to deal with for charging. Tesla building out the Supercharger network was the smart move that makes their cars work and why they have 60% market share.

It's just a fun car to drive. I've been all over the midwest in that thing, and yes, it requires planning, but I actually enjoy road trip planning. I get most people won't. It's a niche product and I can't imagine buying one without home-based charging. All that being said, the wife also has a Telluride.

Posted by: Meric02 at October 02, 2023 11:46 AM (3HOfK)

274 Really - everything else in the world is moving away from mechanical parts.

*cough robotics cough*

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2023 11:46 AM (Y2tls)

275 OT:

I finally saw the house we purchased with my own eyes this weekend.

Dolley and I drove up yesterday morning, saw some bits of the little town we're moving to including the downtown (good), the elementary school (Dolley didn't like the trailers being used for overflow classrooms at all), and the house itself to talk with a flooring guy about replacing all of the carpet on the second floor.

Our new second floor is bigger than our first house.

And we easily have the best cul de sac in the neighborhood since we're pretty much the only people living on it.

I think I'm going to like this house, especially when I successfully lead the annexation effort to move Waxhaw into SC.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 02, 2023 11:46 AM (LvTSG)

276 Browse the store. Stand in line for Beaver Nuggets / jerky / brisket sammiches. Posted by: Count de Monet at October 02, 2023 11:43 AM (4I/2K)

I honestly don't think their brisket's that good. Generally within a mile of Buc-ee's you can find better BBQ. (Same with kolaches.) But the Beaver Nuggets and jerky, and let me add the taffy, you can't find anywhere else.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 02, 2023 11:47 AM (7B5FA)

277 I know of warehouses that have done hot swaps on forklifts etc.

I first read that as "whorehouses."

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 11:47 AM (xTRSc)

278 271 Double threat - 1976 Ford Pinto converted to Electric. Either way you house will burn down.
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So if you get rear ended you will be electrocuted or burned in a fiery hell like always?

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 02, 2023 11:47 AM (ntk8v)

279 “It appears that the government itself is the author of the most incriminating and damning document in this case, which was mysteriously sent at government request to Proud Boy leader Enrique Tarrio immediately prior to January 6 in order to frame or implicate Tarrio in a government- created scheme to storm buildings around the Capitol....
Posted by: SMOD at October 02, 2023 11:40 AM (RHGPo)

Remember when it was floated, that Tarrio was a government plant? A mole, an undercover agent?

I bet if one dug far enough, you'd find the memo that proves that was part of the op as well.

Your government is here to protect you, boys. From yourselves.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 02, 2023 11:47 AM (QBaJw)

280 So YOU'RE that asshole clogging the left lane.......
Posted by: Sponge

HA! Believe it or not, I routinely drive 5-7 mph over the limit. As such, I normally stay in the rightmost lane because of the asshoes just putzing around in the left lane. I'm no fan of passing on the right but those asses simply will not move over, so, passing on the right is it.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 02, 2023 11:47 AM (qoGsy)

281 But that doesn't mean I'm not an asshoe.

Posted by: Tonypete at October 02, 2023 11:47 AM (qoGsy)

282 Boring posts devoid of content.

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I'm standing right here, you know.

Posted by: ShainS -- Deplorable AND Listless Vessel AND Overimaginative Scamp at October 02, 2023 11:47 AM (0r10c)

283 @256

>>I know of warehouses that have done hot swaps on forklifts etc. with regular old lead-acid battery trays. They have 3 sets -- one in the forklift, one cooling off, and one charging -- on 8-hour rotations.

Physically and logistically it can't happen at scale.

There are on average 40 million fillips per day, translate that to swapping batteries, you would need to store, charge, remove, install, ship, receive 40 million batteries per day, every day, 24x7, 365.

And probably more than that because EV's have shit range and storage potential.

It simply cannot happen.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 02, 2023 11:47 AM (XV/Pl)

284 Really - everything else in the world is moving away from mechanical parts.

To what, the Force?

Posted by: Archimedes at October 02, 2023 11:48 AM (I/Qkd)

285 "Joe Biden Tells Democrats to Treat Future White Minority ‘with Respect"

when we "whites" are the minority, we will be grant 45% of the starting positions in the nfl and nba?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 02, 2023 11:40 AM (pVWRI

I wants mys ebts card!
Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2023 11:41 AM (Y2tls)
***

I've already picked out the Mall I'm gonna raid.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 02, 2023 11:48 AM (uSHSS)

286 Hi, JM.

We're your new neighbours.

Posted by: Hell's Angels, Branch 5702 at October 02, 2023 11:48 AM (krqg6)

287 I routinely drive 5-7 mph over the limit. As such, I normally stay in the rightmost lane

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Well that is the slow lane.

Posted by: SH (But Prefer Clark Griswold) at October 02, 2023 11:48 AM (sX1BW)

288 I know of warehouses that have done hot swaps on forklifts etc.

I first read that as "whorehouses."
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 11:47 AM (xTRSc)

When the 7th Fleet in in town . . .

Posted by: Mabel's House of Enchantment at October 02, 2023 11:49 AM (4I/2K)

289 Fort Belvoir has one that was decommissioned 30 or 40 years ago.

There are several small Russian nukes powering villages near Alaska.

Posted by: Federal Electronic Money! at October 02, 2023 11:49 AM (2tUFv)

290 EV batteries are not propane canisters.

It's just all so stupid and ridiculous.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
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Yes it is. EVs are horrible for the environment via mining and emissions from power sources, a fire threat, and a subsidy to the upper middle classes who drive them.

If you go by total emissions emitted over a lifetime of a car usuage, upper middle class individuals should be incentivized to buy used cars as it takes at a minimum of 60-70 thousands of additional miles to equal one EV car's total emissions. Change the used car in an equation into a used hybrid like a Prius, you have to get upwards of a couple of hundred thousand miles needed for an EV total emissions to equal that of the used hybrid.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2023 11:49 AM (DrYw/)

291 (Dolley didn't like the trailers being used for overflow classrooms at all)
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That was my HS in Raleigh 1971. It was a county HS until the Yankee Refugees started pouring in. Now its unrecognizable.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 02, 2023 11:49 AM (ntk8v)

292 But that doesn't mean I'm not an asshoe.

*throws flag*
There is no "an" before "asshoe". I'm not asshoe is the preferred construction. Well, maybe I am.

Posted by: Archimedes at October 02, 2023 11:49 AM (I/Qkd)

293 Boring posts devoid of content.

Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Posted by: Macbeth at October 02, 2023 11:50 AM (AiZBA)

294 "Joe Biden Tells Democrats to Treat Future White Minority ‘with Respect"

You see, the non-whites that have been worked into a frenzy of hate and resentment and self -pity by the Dems will suddenly drop all that and not seek revenge from their alleged tormentors, who have been protected mostly by their majority status.

Posted by: Ripley at October 02, 2023 11:50 AM (JojsZ)

295 I think I'm going to like this house, especially when I successfully lead the annexation effort to move Waxhaw into SC.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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That is a helluva lot of work just so you can vote against Lindsay Ladybugs Graham for re election.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2023 11:51 AM (DrYw/)

296 291 (Dolley didn't like the trailers being used for overflow classrooms at all)
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That was my HS in Raleigh 1971. It was a county HS until the Yankee Refugees started pouring in. Now its unrecognizable.
Posted by: Puddinhead at October 02, 2023 11:49 AM (ntk8v)

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My 4th grade was in a trailer. I was in the highest class of the school from 3rd to 8th, and they were building stuff all around me (including a church, it was a Catholic school). So, I don't have negative feelings towards them at all.

But Dolley also had experiences in trailers for schoolrooms in nowhere Alabama, and she has nothing but poor things to say about her education in them. That has really colored her view of them.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 02, 2023 11:51 AM (LvTSG)

297 You see, the non-whites that have been worked into a frenzy of hate and resentment and self -pity by the Dems will suddenly drop all that and not seek revenge from their alleged tormentors, who have been protected mostly by their majority status.

Kill the Boer!

Posted by: Future Popular Songs! at October 02, 2023 11:51 AM (2tUFv)

298 Newsweek: Astronomers Worry About Bright Object in Night Sky

One of the more stoopid headlines I've read lately.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 02, 2023 11:51 AM (uSHSS)

299 295 That is a helluva lot of work just so you can vote against Lindsay Ladybugs Graham for re election.
Posted by: whig at October 02, 2023 11:51 AM (DrYw/)

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I mostly just don't want to get new car tags.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 02, 2023 11:52 AM (LvTSG)

300 off off damned sock

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at October 02, 2023 11:52 AM (AiZBA)

301 It simply cannot happen. Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 02, 2023 11:47 AM (XV/Pl)

Another reason why I don't worry about our electric future too much.

I occasionally ask these folks where tires are going to come from. Or plastics. Or steel. Or concrete. Or asphalt. They generally have no answer. (Occasionally, it's humma humma "waves hands" hydrogen. I have yet to see how steel, which is a mixture of iron and carbon, can be made with hydrogen.)

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 02, 2023 11:52 AM (7B5FA)

302 285 "Joe Biden Tells Democrats to Treat Future White Minority ‘with Respect"
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when we "whites" are the minority, we will be grant 45% of the starting positions in the nfl and nba?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 02, 2023 11:40 AM (pVWRI
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I wants mys ebts card!
Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2023 11:41 AM (Y2tls)
***
I've already picked out the Mall I'm gonna raid.
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Its gonna be interesting when blacks figure out they are the ones being replaced.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 02, 2023 11:52 AM (ntk8v)

303 life in the UK during WWII; realistic and they had ration cards

We had it during one (or both) of the Oil Crises in the 70's. Odd or even license plate numbers. I don't know when you get to fill up if you have "FJB".

Posted by: t-bird at October 02, 2023 11:52 AM (CaJIi)

304 Really - everything else in the world is moving away from mechanical parts.
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To what, the Force?
Posted by: Archimedes at October 02, 2023 11:48 AM (I/Qkd)

Shut up, Paul is talking!

Oops, I mean Charles.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 02, 2023 11:53 AM (QBaJw)

305 All that being said, the wife also has a Telluride.

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It would be fascinating to know the number of private individuals who own an EV and don't also own a real car, too.

I bet it's fewer than 1000 nationwide.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 02, 2023 11:53 AM (8D7Iu)

306 Well, enough about my movie threads.

TJM, Mark Steyn's got a guy on his site who does a movie thread every weekend, Rick McGinness. Have you ever read his stuff?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 11:53 AM (xTRSc)

307 I am waiting for some Criminal to come up with a way to cut the Cords to the chargers for the copper in them.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at October 02, 2023 11:53 AM (dKiJG)

308 302 285 "Joe Biden Tells Democrats to Treat Future White Minority ‘with Respect"
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when we "whites" are the minority, we will be grant 45% of the starting positions in the nfl and nba?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 02, 2023 11:40 AM (pVWRI
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I wants mys ebts card!
Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2023 11:41 AM (Y2tls)
***
I've already picked out the Mall I'm gonna raid.
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Its gonna be interesting when blacks figure out they are the ones being replaced.
Posted by: Puddinhead at October 02, 2023 11:52 AM (ntk8v)
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This.
I think Joe forgot to add "Learn Spanish."

Posted by: Diogenes at October 02, 2023 11:53 AM (uSHSS)

309 We had it during one (or both) of the Oil Crises in the 70's. Odd or even license plate numbers. I don't know when you get to fill up if you have "FJB".
Posted by: t-bird at October 02, 2023 11:52 AM (CaJIi)

There's a guy outside of Boyd, Texas that has a hand spray painted sign hanging on his barbed wire fence that has "FJB" on it.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 11:54 AM (tjClK)

310 Range anxiety, spontaneous- combustion anxiety, rape- of- the- environment- from- mining- cobalt- and- excess- lithium anxiety, Jennifer- Granholm- has- blocked- the- only- charging- station anxiety (is that a subspecies of range anxiety?), are all reasons to avoid EVs.

Which is why you should quit travel altogether, because keeping your ICE car is out of the question.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at October 02, 2023 11:54 AM (GD2xa)

311 Yeah, yeah... EVs have a million stupid problems that make them non-feasible at large scale in the near or medium term, maybe ever.

But the most annoying thing about them is their enthusiasts. Whenever someone like me says "yeah, they're pretty cool, enjoy your peppy sport ride, but they're not a real solution to anything accept slow acceleration," they act like you kicked them right in the dick and spit in their face. It's weird. And lame.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 02, 2023 11:54 AM (0FoWg)

312 Insider Paper @TheInsiderPaper 2h
NEW 🚨 Michael Lewis: Sam Bankman-Fried planned to pay 5 billion dollars to Trump to not to run for president -- 60 Minutes
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 11:45 AM (krqg6)

Shit he can pay me 4 Billion and I will not run

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 02, 2023 11:54 AM (pVWRI)

313 248 Imagine trying to swap out the 2500 lb extended range batter pack on the new Silverado?

maybe we're thinking about it backwards. imagine trying to swap out the silverado on a 2500 lb extended range battery pack.

Posted by: peasant scum anachronda at October 02, 2023 11:54 AM (v3pYe)

314 Good rant, Buck.

The average citizen, whether worker or retiree, is simply being soaked to keep the millions who've come into the country 'w/o proper documentation,' those who will continue to come in similar manners, in addition to once again elevating the profitable war machine. In short, we keep the bureaucracies functioning and the wealthy wealthy.

Fox News, 09/03/23: East Coast offshore wind farm delayed until 2026 due to supply chain issues, high interest, and lack of tax credits. Ørsted says it considered abandoning offshore wind project off coast of New Jersey
(LOL. Just one day before Biden's 2023 Labor Day speech in Philly.)

So where are all the bold environmental actions that shall result from the Bipartisian Infrastructure bill and others under his reign? Solyndra and lead pipes, remember? This is a BIG repeat of his and O's former administrations with few actual projects accomplished and almost no accountability for funds that simply vanish in planning stages, or something.

Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemies at October 02, 2023 11:55 AM (GshMh)

315 an idiot, full of sound and fury

But enough about me...

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 11:55 AM (xTRSc)

316 On Houston's 5-lane freeways, I like to stay in the 2nd lane from the right at 5 mph over. The Speed Racer / Mario Andretti wannabes can play in the leftmost 3 lanes and their friends merging onto the freeway from the right can zoom around me to join up in the fun.

Meanwhile, I roll along all smooth-like and steady velocity for mile after mile.

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 02, 2023 11:55 AM (4I/2K)

317 Well, enough about my movie threads.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Well, you at least change directors to be obsessed by. A poster's social class preening and arguing using all sorts of logical fallacies makes them de facto boring. You discuss ideas, they discuss how wonderful their life is and why everyone else just needs to duplicate what they have done. I don't find solipsism interesting.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2023 11:55 AM (DrYw/)

318 How did the Teslas make out in the recent NYC flooding?

Posted by: I gotta ask at October 02, 2023 11:55 AM (5jW6s)

319 Big clockwork spring with a giant wind up key coming out of the trunk.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 02, 2023 11:56 AM (0EOe9)

320 I think I'm going to like this house, especially when I successfully lead the annexation effort to move Waxhaw into SC.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 02, 2023 11:46 AM (LvTSG)
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I heard a story recently of people who thought they lived in Lake Wylie, SC waking up one morning to find they had been suddenly resurveyed into NC. Maybe you can get the reverse to happen.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at October 02, 2023 11:56 AM (41Nl3)

321 I think I'm going to like this house, especially when I successfully lead the annexation effort to move Waxhaw into SC.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 02, 2023 11:46 AM (LvTSG)

That does sound nice, but you are braver than I. Buying without walking through first?

This rental I'm in now, I didn't see it until the day I got here, and I was terrified the place would be an absolute wreck. It's actually only a bit of a wreck. For the price though.....

Posted by: BurtTC at October 02, 2023 11:56 AM (QBaJw)

322 "But the most annoying thing about them is their enthusiasts. Whenever someone like me says "yeah, they're pretty cool, enjoy your peppy sport ride, but they're not a real solution to anything accept slow acceleration," they act like you kicked them right in the dick and spit in their face. It's weird. And lame.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice "

It's like not being impressed or interested by somebody blathering about cross-fit

Posted by: Ripley at October 02, 2023 11:56 AM (JojsZ)

323 Zeke found out the hard way.

Don't be Zeke...

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at October 02, 2023 11:56 AM (0lY6Y)

324 LOL, you can't get rid of Graham. South Carolinians are happy to love a corrupt, kill-crazy homosexual sadist, as long as he has the (R).

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at October 02, 2023 11:56 AM (0FoWg)

325 But Dolley also had experiences in trailers for schoolrooms in nowhere Alabama, and she has nothing but poor things to say about her education in them. That has really colored her view of them.
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Remind her that the South usually had shitty Public Education and great Universities. The more rural the more shitty. That said, I think we should graduate kids at 16 and have them go to work for two years before even considering college. Skills beat Certificates all to hell.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 02, 2023 11:57 AM (ntk8v)

326 Range Anxiety? Are you idiots? That is simple to handle. You send a car with an internal combustion engine out ahead of you to scout out chargers and park beside one to block off the EV owners trying to use it! If you have enough flunkies, like the Secretary of Energy, send out three or four!

Of course the EV owners charger-blocked can get a little uppity so you may want to send out your scout-blockers armed but since each federal department has piles of guns and millions of rounds of ammunition, no problem!

Posted by: JB1000 at October 02, 2023 11:57 AM (lPzYT)

327 Waxhawn, waxhawff...

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 11:57 AM (xTRSc)

328 Kill the Boer!

Nah.

The foreigners invading work out in a less troubling way here as elsewhere.

Messicans get along pretty good with whitey, so we're lucky in that sense, as they will be the dominant race going forward.

If we were being overrun with Mooslims or sub-Saharan Africans, it'd be more worrying.

As for the Pakis and Indians and such, they won't stab you, but they'll screw you out of money in a heartbeat.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at October 02, 2023 11:57 AM (4/GJJ)

329 How did the Teslas make out in the recent NYC flooding?

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NORMAL CARS FLOOD TOO, H8R!!!

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 02, 2023 11:57 AM (8D7Iu)

330 I know of warehouses that have done hot swaps on forklifts etc.
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I first read that as "whorehouses."
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We used to do that all the time playing, IIRC, Puerto Rico or Le Havre [I think it was].

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 11:58 AM (krqg6)

331 I mostly just don't want to get new car tags.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Maybe North Carolina allows vanity plates for former South Carolinians. For a fee of course.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2023 11:58 AM (DrYw/)

332 NORMAL CARS FLOOD TOO, H8R!!!

Tell me about it.
-- Mary Joe Kopechne

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 11:58 AM (xTRSc)

333
Shit he can pay me 4 Billion and I will not run
Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 02, 2023 11:54 AM (pVWRI)

I'll sit on the sidelines for 1 bills.

And he can throw in his ugly girlfriend, I'll give her a good rogering for him, as a bonus.

Just one time though. I have my standards.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 02, 2023 11:58 AM (QBaJw)

334 @313

>>maybe we're thinking about it backwards. imagine trying to swap out the silverado on a 2500 lb extended range battery pack.

Well this is actually a compelling thought experiment.

The new rage in EV construction and design is the skateboard platform, whereby the battery, chassis and drive train are built on a platform and the body and all of the rest of vehicle internals are bolted on top.

This fails as wells logisitically and financially as you then need to swap all of the most expensive assembly out and swap the most expensive assembly in.

Again, the math, physics and logistics simply do not work.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 02, 2023 11:59 AM (XV/Pl)

335 Posted by: Macbeth at October 02, 2023 11:50 AM (AiZBA)
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Ahhhh!!!! Hot potato, orchestra stalls, Puck will make amends! *pulls nose*

Posted by: Mossop & Keanrick at October 02, 2023 12:00 PM (krqg6)

336 but they're not a real solution to anything accept slow acceleration," they act like you kicked them right in the dick and spit in their face. It's weird. And lame.

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They insist they're performance cars, but the only performance the majority of the public wants - and buys is the ability of a car to be a car.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 02, 2023 12:00 PM (8D7Iu)

337 306 TJM, Mark Steyn's got a guy on his site who does a movie thread every weekend, Rick McGinness. Have you ever read his stuff?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 11:53 AM (xTRSc)

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I can't say that I have.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 02, 2023 12:00 PM (LvTSG)

338
Well, you at least change directors to be obsessed by. A poster's social class preening and arguing using all sorts of logical fallacies makes them de facto boring. You discuss ideas, they discuss how wonderful their life is and why everyone else just needs to duplicate what they have done. I don't find solipsism interesting.
Posted by: whig at October 02, 2023 11:55 AM (DrYw/)

Though his love for Prometheus is problematic...

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 02, 2023 12:00 PM (n+4am)

339 I mostly just don't want to get new car tags.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

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If all the locusts from NY, New Jersey, and Florida are any indication, you shouldn't have to.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 02, 2023 12:00 PM (8D7Iu)

340 Again, the math, physics and logistics simply do not work.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 02, 2023 11:59 AM (XV/Pl)

J. Robert Oppenheimer, izzat you?

Posted by: Edward Teller at October 02, 2023 12:01 PM (4I/2K)

341 And the Rivian is still ugly.

Posted by: But you already knew that at October 02, 2023 12:01 PM (5jW6s)

342 Though his love for Prometheus is problematic...
Posted by: IllTemperedCur
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A mere peccadillo my good man. A mere peccadillo.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2023 12:01 PM (DrYw/)

343 I finally saw the house we purchased with my own eyes this weekend.

Dolley and I drove up yesterday morning, saw some bits of the little town we're moving to including the downtown (good), the elementary school (Dolley didn't like the trailers being used for overflow classrooms at all), and the house itself to talk with a flooring guy about replacing all of the carpet on the second floor.

Our new second floor is bigger than our first house.

And we easily have the best cul de sac in the neighborhood since we're pretty much the only people living on it.

I think I'm going to like this house, especially when I successfully lead the annexation effort to move Waxhaw into SC.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 02, 2023 11:46 AM (LvTSG)

Congrats, enjoy the new adventure.
When's the move-in date?

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 02, 2023 12:01 PM (xcxpd)

344 331 I mostly just don't want to get new car tags.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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Maybe North Carolina allows vanity plates for former South Carolinians. For a fee of course.
Posted by: whig at October 02, 2023 11:58 AM (DrYw/)

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The standard NC tags are grossly plain to the point where Dolley has already decided on the tags we're going to get: state park ones.

But mostly, I just don't want to go through the process. Annexing part of NC into part of SC feels like less trouble.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 02, 2023 12:01 PM (LvTSG)

345 this seems to be an appropriate time to note that both Morgan Stanley and Continental Midland Petroleum are projecting oil prices hitting $150/bbl next year, primarily because demand keeps going up and Biden has successfully destroyed most drilling in this country.

I don't know how that translates exactly into price, but I would guess many of us will be seeing $7.50 per gallon in a few months.

Posted by: Tom Servo at October 02, 2023 12:02 PM (i9ffA)

346 I think I'm going to like this house, especially when I successfully lead the annexation effort to move Waxhaw into SC.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 02, 2023 11:46 AM (LvTSG)

My brother owned a house just outside of Waxhaws, on the state line. The Andrew Jackson Birthplace was literally a stone's throw away from his property line.

Posted by: mrp at October 02, 2023 12:02 PM (rj6Yv)

347 I don't find solipsism interesting.

Yeah, that Solips was a pretty boring guy.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 12:02 PM (xTRSc)

348 Forgot about literally crushing the road with your EV's weight anxiety.

Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at October 02, 2023 12:02 PM (GD2xa)

349 But mostly, I just don't want to go through the process. Annexing part of NC into part of SC feels like less trouble.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 02, 2023 12:01 PM (LvTSG)

Preserve South of the Border as a historical cultural site!

Posted by: Pedro at October 02, 2023 12:03 PM (4I/2K)

350 341 And the Rivian is still ugly.
Posted by: But you already knew that
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Ugly trucks is the least of Rivian's problems. Would not want to be the owner of one.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2023 12:03 PM (DrYw/)

351 You bought a house sight unseen? Bold man. Bold.

Posted by: Montec at October 02, 2023 12:03 PM (HnzP8)

352 I don't know how that translates exactly into price, but I would guess many of us will be seeing $7.50 per gallon in a few months.
Posted by: Tom Servo at October 02, 2023 12:02 PM (i9ffA)
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That should go over well for Dems heading into election season.../sarc

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at October 02, 2023 12:03 PM (YIVH2)

353 "Damn, I have a Hate Has No Home Here and Gun Free Zone signs in front of the tiny house, girlfriend has an herb garden out back, went vegan a year ago, and the fuckin' EV just went up in flames. Should have put that Coexist bumper sticker on before it became a charred mass of not environmentally friendly crap. Maybe that would have saved it".

Some Douchebag Oberlin Grad.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at October 02, 2023 12:03 PM (0EOe9)

354 343 Congrats, enjoy the new adventure.
When's the move-in date?
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 02, 2023 12:01 PM (xcxpd)

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Close on new house Oct 19, on the old house on Oct 24 (I don't think I'm going to be able to be Charleston when a certain someone comes to visit, unfortunately).

Something like 75% of our possessions are already in boxes. We spent Saturday taking down everything from the walls and fixing those holes. My TV in my media room is now sitting on the floor.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 02, 2023 12:03 PM (LvTSG)

355 They insist they're performance cars, but the only performance the majority of the public wants - and buys is the ability of a car to be a car.
Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 02, 2023 12:00 PM (8D7Iu)

I did drive the EV Mustang once. I was genuinely impressed when I stepped on the pedal to pass a vehicle, it jerked me backward in the seat, like a cartoon.

Honestly, I think it was more that I was surprised than that it was anything that special.

Posted by: BurtTC at October 02, 2023 12:04 PM (QBaJw)

356 Ahhhh!!!! Hot potato, orchestra stalls, Puck will make amends! *pulls nose*
Posted by: Mossop & Keanrick at October 02, 2023 12:00 PM

You mean you have to do that every time I say MacBeth?

Posted by: E. Blackadder at October 02, 2023 12:04 PM (aQy7p)

357 My brother owned a house just outside of Waxhaws, on the state line. The Andrew Jackson Birthplace was literally a stone's throw away from his property line.

It used to be that they weren't sure whether Jackson was born in NC or SC, since the Waxhaws region straddles the line. Did they resolve that issue?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 12:04 PM (xTRSc)

358 Disney is being sued

I keep seeing articles about a woman suing Disney after getting a “wedgie” on a water slide.

To be clear: the woman was injured so badly that her intestines protruded through her abdominal wall & blood gushed out of her.

Disney is trying to downplay her VERY SERIOUS injuries.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at October 02, 2023 12:04 PM (dKiJG)

359 Anyone work in the insurance industry? I have been wondering if they will increase homeowners insurance for EV owners or make you carry an EV add-on, since we are starting to see an uptick in residential EV fires. May still be too soon; just curious.

Posted by: Lightning at October 02, 2023 12:05 PM (jU65D)

360 Like the old saying "North Carolina, a vale of humility between two mountains of conceit."

Posted by: mrp at October 02, 2023 12:05 PM (rj6Yv)

361 But mostly, I just don't want to go through the process. Annexing part of NC into part of SC feels like less trouble.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison
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My BIL had a house right on the border of two states, his mailbox and a bit of land was on one side of the state border and the remainder of the land and his house was in the other state. PITA to be subject to two taxing jurisdictions.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2023 12:05 PM (DrYw/)

362 Forgot about literally crushing the road with your EV's ~~weight anxiety~~ fat ass.
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis

Fixed.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2023 12:05 PM (Y2tls)

363 What makes Tesla's cool is the tech built into them. That's about it. Yea, some ICE vehicles have cool tech too.

But the guy who "summoned" his Tesla in a minorly flooded parking lot to his location, high and dry, so his $500 loafers wouldn't get wet is pretty damn cool.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at October 02, 2023 12:05 PM (Q4IgG)

364 359 Anyone work in the insurance industry? I have been wondering if they will increase homeowners insurance for EV owners or make you carry an EV add-on, since we are starting to see an uptick in residential EV fires. May still be too soon; just curious.
Posted by: Lightning
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The old separate carriage houses were a thing during the early years of gas powered vehicles.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2023 12:06 PM (DrYw/)

365 To be clear: the woman was injured so badly that her intestines protruded through her abdominal wall & blood gushed out of her.
Disney is trying to downplay her VERY SERIOUS injuries.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at October 02, 2023 12:04 PM (dKiJG)

Blood gushing out of your anus is part of the ride.

Enjoy!

Posted by: Disney CEO Bob Iger at October 02, 2023 12:06 PM (0lY6Y)

366 350 Ugly trucks is the least of Rivian's problems. Would not want to be the owner of one.

there are a few in the neighborhood. started seeing them in late April or so. the owners are going to be hating life in January given what cold weather does to battery performance.

Posted by: DenverGregg at October 02, 2023 12:07 PM (GFzKy)

367 My R.C. grade school had portables [I'm guessing your 'trailers'] for all eight of my years there; and the Public school behind my house had them until the '80s. Oh, and it used to be a Middle School but it's been a full K-8 grade school for a long time now.

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 12:07 PM (krqg6)

368 It used to be that they weren't sure whether Jackson was born in NC or SC, since the Waxhaws region straddles the line. Did they resolve that issue?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus

Was he born in the living room or the bedroom?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2023 12:07 PM (Y2tls)

369 I did drive the EV Mustang once. I was genuinely impressed when I stepped on the pedal to pass a vehicle, it jerked me backward in the seat, like a cartoon.

Honestly, I think it was more that I was surprised than that it was anything that special.
Posted by: BurtTC

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Yeah, the part no one talks about is that, unlike in an actual Mustang, you've got a limited number of those trips to the well before you're not getting home.

So the one selling point they push so hard is also something you should avoid doing.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 02, 2023 12:07 PM (8D7Iu)

370 360 Like the old saying "North Carolina, a vale of humility between two mountains of conceit."
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Ouch.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 02, 2023 12:07 PM (ntk8v)

371 It used to be that they weren't sure whether Jackson was born in NC or SC, since the Waxhaws region straddles the line. Did they resolve that issue?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus
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Probably no one wanted to be thrashed by Andy Jackson when he was living by asking him just that.

History's Mysteries I guess at this point.

Posted by: whig at October 02, 2023 12:08 PM (DrYw/)

372 But the guy who "summoned" his Tesla in a minorly flooded parking lot to his location, high and dry, so his $500 loafers wouldn't get wet is pretty damn cool.

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You couldn't sum up a Tesla buyer easier if you tried.

Posted by: The recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at October 02, 2023 12:08 PM (8D7Iu)

373 The old separate carriage houses were a thing during the early years of gas powered vehicles.
Posted by: whig at October 02, 2023 12:06 PM (DrYw/)

In my hood, with houses dating back to the late 1800s through 1910s, many garages are still like that. I like that style. Kind of a pain when it’s raining but other than that, I think it’s pretty cool.

Posted by: Montec at October 02, 2023 12:08 PM (HnzP8)

374 And ultimately, what does one do with herd animals.

If you have, say, 8 billion cattle, and you've done all your research, and have determined that somewhere around 90% of them are sick in some way. What do you do.

You sure don't let them keep breeding and infecting the supposedly healthy cows.
Posted by: BurtTC at October 02, 2023 11:31 AM (QBaJw)

I don't know if you know your revelation, but I'm now starting to wonder if some of the judgement poured out by heaven will be done, GLEEFULLY, by people who think killing humans is the way to save the world.

(Sun darkened, waters positioned, plagues, famine, and the like. I don't yet think the earthquakes will be man-made, but who knows with these bond-villain "elites".)

Posted by: Disinformation Expert, Formerly Virginian at October 02, 2023 12:08 PM (N1DT3)

375 365 To be clear: the woman was injured so badly that her intestines protruded through her abdominal wall & blood gushed out of her.
Disney is trying to downplay her VERY SERIOUS injuries.
Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at October 02, 2023 12:04 PM (dKiJG)

Blood gushing out of your anus is part of the ride.

Enjoy!
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This must have been the Otter Slide.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 02, 2023 12:09 PM (ntk8v)

376 356 Ahhhh!!!! Hot potato, orchestra stalls, Puck will make amends! *pulls nose*
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Hot potato, orchestra stalls, Puck will make amends! *pulls nose* AARRRGGHH!

Call it the "Scottish play"!!!

Posted by: Mossop & Keanrick at October 02, 2023 12:09 PM (krqg6)

377 But the guy who "summoned" his Tesla in a minorly flooded parking lot to his location, high and dry, so his $500 loafers wouldn't get wet is pretty damn cool.
Posted by: Martini Farmer

That's what man servants are for.

"Jamison? The car".

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2023 12:09 PM (Y2tls)

378 It used to be that they weren't sure whether Jackson was born in NC or SC, since the Waxhaws region straddles the line. Did they resolve that issue?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 12:04 PM (xTRSc)

Based on the absence of concertina wire and cleared fields of fire, I reckon SC won that one. At least, they spent a hellacious amount of money on their hysterical site. I told my brother that the young Andrew Jackson ran through his yard ( brother had some acreage) on a daily basis.

Posted by: mrp at October 02, 2023 12:10 PM (rj6Yv)

379 A group of astronomers is coalescing around an idea to rename two neighbors of the Milky Way, the Large and Small Magellanic Clouds.

Named after explorer Ferdinand Magellan, the satellite galaxies are visible with the naked eye from the Southern Hemisphere. But Magellan’s name is not fitting, astronomer Mia de los Reyes and colleagues argue. The leader of the first expedition to successfully circle the globe, Magellan enslaved and killed Indigenous people encountered on the voyage, which set out from Spain in 1519.

.. shoot .. why don't we stop using Latin to describe various species of life, considering the Romans enslaved and killed, same for the Greeks and the [ fill in the blank ] ...

Posted by: SMOD at October 02, 2023 12:10 PM (RHGPo)

380
Like the old saying "North Carolina, a vale of humility between two mountains of conceit."

________

South Carolina: too small to be a republic, too big to be an insane asylum.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 02, 2023 12:10 PM (MoZTd)

381 Blood gushing out of your anus is part of the ride.

Enjoy!
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This must have been the Otter Slide.
Posted by: Puddinhead at October 02, 2023 12:09 PM (ntk8v)

that would never happen to me, I always wear a plug.

Posted by: Brian Stelter at October 02, 2023 12:10 PM (i9ffA)

382 373 The old separate carriage houses were a thing during the early years of gas powered vehicles.
Posted by: whig at October 02, 2023 12:06 PM (DrYw/)
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That was because you didn't want to smell horse shit while having supper.

Posted by: Puddinhead at October 02, 2023 12:10 PM (ntk8v)

383 Macbeth is actually my favorite Shakespeare play.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at October 02, 2023 12:11 PM (xTRSc)

384 National Park Services article:

Sacrificing for the Common Good: Rationing in WWII
Doing Their Duty by Doing Without

In part, "Americans received their first ration cards in May 1942. The first card, War Ration Card Number One, became known as the “Sugar Book,” for one of the commodities Americans could purchase with their ration card. Other ration cards developed as the war progressed. Ration cards included stamps with drawings of airplanes, guns, tanks, aircraft, ears of wheat and fruit, which were used to purchase rationed items.

The OPA rationed automobiles, tires, gasoline, fuel oil, coal, firewood, nylon, silk, and shoes. Americans used their ration cards and stamps to take their meager share of household staples including meat, dairy, coffee, dried fruits, jams, jellies, lard, shortening, and oils.

Americans learned, as they did during the Great Depression, to do without. Sacrificing certain items during the war became the norm for most Americans. It was considered a common good for the war effort, and it affected every American household."
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A grandmother lost her small greenhouse & canning business due to the lack of availability of fuel.

Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemies at October 02, 2023 12:11 PM (GshMh)

385 NOOD: McCarthy Caves

Posted by: Grumpy and Recalcitrant at October 02, 2023 12:11 PM (qPw5n)

386 NOODlum.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at October 02, 2023 12:11 PM (tjClK)

387 Nood Bill

Posted by: Max Power at October 02, 2023 12:11 PM (+hny1)

388 That was because you didn't want to smell horse shit while having supper.
Posted by: Puddinhead

Since most only bathed once a month, horse shit was the least of their concerns.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2023 12:12 PM (Y2tls)

389 This fails as wells logisitically and financially as you then need to swap all of the most expensive assembly out and swap the most expensive assembly in. Again, the math, physics and logistics simply do not work. Posted by: Thomas Bender at October 02, 2023 11:59 AM (XV/Pl)

Let's say there had to be one-third spare for every vehicle operating. That's probably generous; there would probably have to be more than that. But let's stick with 1/3. Who pays for it? Obviously, it's the vehicle owner. You just increased the cost of an EV by more than $10,000.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at October 02, 2023 12:12 PM (7B5FA)

390
The old separate carriage houses were a thing during the early years of gas powered vehicles.
Posted by: whig at October 02, 2023 12:06 PM (DrYw/)

_________

We had an 1869 house in Ohio with a carriage barn. All peg and beam construction.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at October 02, 2023 12:12 PM (MoZTd)

391 Blood gushing out of your anus is part of the ride.

Enjoy!
Posted by: Disney CEO Bob Iger at October 02, 2023 12:06 PM (0lY6Y)

She's dreaming about becoming the bleeder she was always meant to be.

Posted by: Rachel Zeeeeegler at October 02, 2023 12:13 PM (QBaJw)

392 Close on new house Oct 19, on the old house on Oct 24 (I don't think I'm going to be able to be Charleston when a certain someone comes to visit, unfortunately).

Something like 75% of our possessions are already in boxes. We spent Saturday taking down everything from the walls and fixing those holes. My TV in my media room is now sitting on the floor.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at October 02, 2023 12:03 PM (LvTSG)

Darn but congrats. I hate moving like fire but it sounds like it'll be a half upgrade at least.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, anti-Marxist, buy ammo at October 02, 2023 12:13 PM (xcxpd)

393 NOOD: McCarthy Caves
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The Scottish kabuki theatre!

[Yeah, I know he's actually a Mick.]

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 12:13 PM (krqg6)

394 Americans learned, as they did during the Great Depression, to do without. Sacrificing certain items during the war became the norm for most Americans.

It was considered a common good for the war effort, and it affected every American household."

At least people were killing people over it. (War)

Posted by: rickb223 at October 02, 2023 12:13 PM (Y2tls)

395 387 Nood Bill
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Shakespeare??

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 12:14 PM (krqg6)

396 Hollywood with it's remake of old movies, should "reimagine" Road Warrior with EV?

Genius!

Short movie ... ends in cannibalism.

Posted by: Paladin at October 02, 2023 12:16 PM (Qb66T)

397 Never mind all that. All good reasons, all good complaints. But:

I have seen a battery explode, up close and personal.
I don't ever want to ride around town on top of a half-ton of fully-charged battery. I'll take 50 gallons of gas on the back of the frame any day of the week.

For a real thrill, watch a hydrogen tank go up sometime.
Watch from a distance, though. There is a shock wave.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at October 02, 2023 12:17 PM (4PZHB)

398 You pull the plug out just far enough to break the connection so it still looks plugged in.
Posted by: BignJames at October 02, 2023 11:24 AM (AwYPR)

As the security cams record your every move. Or the owner's dash cam.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy now with twice the crazy at October 02, 2023 12:18 PM (Zvtjl)

399 Yes. When Ace bans you, your entire existence is wiped from AoS as if you never existed.
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Lost like ValuRite in zee rain.
Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at October 02, 2023 11:34 AM (krqg6)

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Not really!

Posted by: Bob From NSA at October 02, 2023 12:19 PM (Zvtjl)

400 Embannening. How could y'all forget?

Sheesh! It's probably the same etymology as "embarreling". Easy, Peasy.

Posted by: creeper at October 02, 2023 12:21 PM (cTCuP)

401 Should have been driving a Tesla, it would have planed the trip and the charging.

Posted by: Sixiron at October 02, 2023 12:51 PM (c4Wfm)

402 A Ukrainian officer apparently decided to call Russian tech support for help when he ran into issues operating a captured Russian tank.

The officer, whose call sign is Kochevnik, appeared in a video to be making calls trolling staff members of the Russian tank manufacturer Uralvagonzavod. The videos were posted to YouTube by Militarnyi, a Ukrainian media outlet reporting on the war.

Kochevnik said he had problems with his Russian T-72B3 tank, a model that is widely used by Russia's military. The T-72B3 is also the most advanced version of the Soviet-era T-72 tanks.

Posted by: SMOD at October 02, 2023 01:01 PM (RHGPo)

403 Our government insists that we rely entirely on the electric grid for energy, while simultaneously insisting that electricity be generated by methods (wind, solar) that are inherently unreliable. What is wrong with this picture?

Posted by: Nemo at October 02, 2023 02:48 PM (S6ArX)

404 Another issue is that batteries grow weaker over time and die. And a battery bank for a car cost $10,000 to $25,000 so essentially after the batteries wear out, your expensive little toy is bricked.

Oh and where are you going to put those in the landfill with all those toxic heavy metals?

Posted by: Beverly at October 02, 2023 03:15 PM (Epeb0)

405 It doesn't take "an hour" to partially to top off an EV
Most new EVs have a 300+ mile range
Kruger Dunning

The Tesla Mod Y is the best selling passenger car model sold in the USA
The Mod Y costs the same as the avg new car sold in the USA. 47000$

Posted by: Paul at October 02, 2023 03:49 PM (lH7jj)

406 Cut the goddamn government subsidies out and let the market work this through. If this idea is viable a change will occur without the government shoving it down our throats.

Posted by: RM at October 02, 2023 04:23 PM (crXU+)

407 See? Buck Throckmorton LOVES EVs! Like millions of other Americans! WE MUST MAKE A LOT MORE EVs!!!

Posted by: Auto industry at October 02, 2023 07:41 PM (8sMut)

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