Maui's Emergency Management Director Refused to Activate the Warning Sirens To Alert People During the Wildfires;<br>That Administrator Now Resigns

Maui's Emergency Management Director Refused to Activate the Warning Sirens To Alert People During the Wildfires;
That Administrator Now Resigns

This is Democrat governance at its... most typical.

In fairness, he has something of a point. Sort of.

Maui Emergency Management Agency Administrator Herman Andaya today defended his experience and the decision not to activate emergency sirens warning Maui residents and visitors about the fast-moving fire that destroyed the historic town of Lahaina last week Tuesday.
Andaya said he did not regret his decision in response to a reporter's question. Sirens are used primarily for tsunamis, not for brushfires, he said. The public is trained to seek higher ground when the siren is sounded, he said.
"Had we sounded the siren that night, we were afraid that people would have gone mauka," he said, adding that people would have headed directly into the flames. Andaya added that there were no sirens located on the mauka or mountainside of Maui where the fires were spreading.

The problem with that claim is that no one actually goes immediately running for the hills. Usually they get into their cars, 95% of this are equipped with a piece of high-tech gear called "a radio." And on this "radio" device, they will hear "news reports" telling them that the danger is posed by wildfires, not a tsunami. And those "news reports" will mention official government guidance regarding how and where to take shelter.

The death toll of the fires is at 111 and climbing as they find more bodies.

He has now resigned.

"Today Mayor Richard Bissen accepted the resignation of Maui Emergency Management Agency (MEMA) Administrator Herman Andaya. Citing health reasons, Andaya submitted his resignation effective immediately," the County of Maui stated.

No word yet on whether the director of their water management system, who did not release water to reservoirs and did not make that water available to firefighters, will resign or if he will continue insisting that water should not be "used" but simply "revered."

Posted by: Ace at 01:40 PM

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1 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 01:41 PM (Zz0t1)

2 Goin' Mauka > going bamboo

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 18, 2023 01:41 PM (guGkK)

3 They shouldn't resign. They should be brought in front of a grand jury, indicted, tried, found guilty and thrown in a volcano for the murders they've committed.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 01:42 PM (Zz0t1)

4 He will be replaced by someone more connected and less competent.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 18, 2023 01:43 PM (LvTSG)

5 Citing health reasons, Andaya submitted his resignation effective immediately," the County of Maui stated.

"I'm sick of this shit!"

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 18, 2023 01:43 PM (guGkK)

6 No word yet on whether the director of their water management system, who did not release water to reservoirs and did not make that water available to firefighters, will resign or if he will continue insisting that water should not be "used" but simply "revered."

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He should be denied water to drink.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 18, 2023 01:43 PM (LvTSG)

7 If he was a Republican he would already have been arrested, and every Republican in America would be asked by the press why the R party is ok with murdering hundreds of brown people.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2023 01:44 PM (lc5cP)

8 I wish I never found that Tikki.

Posted by: Bobby Brady at August 18, 2023 01:44 PM (6ox+6)

9 How now brown mauka?

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 18, 2023 01:44 PM (krqg6)

10 7 If he was a Republican he would already have been arrested, and every Republican in America would be asked by the press why the R party is ok with murdering hundreds of brown people.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2023 01:44 PM (lc5cP)

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Oh, they wouldn't do this if he were the right kind of Republican, right?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 18, 2023 01:44 PM (LvTSG)

11 Aren't there still over 1k unaccounted for?

Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2023 01:44 PM (6ox+6)

12 Been to Hawaii many times. Beautiful state. The government there is an incompetent shit show and this just illustrates it.

Posted by: keena at August 18, 2023 01:45 PM (RiTnx)

13 Jeepers. It's almost as if someone wanted to get rid of the rightful owners of some very expensive property.

Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 superfan! at August 18, 2023 01:45 PM (ZbASP)

14 Reposted from the ONT last night:

So you're a state government bureaucrat sitting in Honolulu with operational control over Hawaii's water supply, and you get a call from the West Maui Land Company, which runs the water districts in West Maui, saying:

"There was a fire near Lahaina that has been put out, and we'd like to draw extra water from a local stream to refill the water tanks, since the fire department drained our water tanks fighting the fire."

Do you say:

"Absolutely! Take as much water as you need, and let me know when you've successfully refilled the water tanks!"

Or do you say:

"Gee, I don't know - you need to check with the farmer who also uses the stream to make sure he's OK with the extra water diversion, and you need to confirm with the Maui fire department that they need the water tanks refilled."

You then finally give permission to take the extra water from the stream five hours later, after the fire has restarted.

As bad as you think your state government is, Hawaii's is worse.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 18, 2023 01:45 PM (2tUFv)

15 If he was a Republican he would already have been arrested, and every Republican in America would be asked by the press why the R party is ok with murdering hundreds of brown people.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2023 01:44 PM (lc5cP)

This is fact.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 01:45 PM (Zz0t1)

16 No word yet on whether the director of their water management system, who did not release water to reservoirs and did not make that water available to firefighters, will resign or if he will continue insisting that water should not be "used" but simply "revered."

If they drown him in a vat, it will create The Water of Life.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 18, 2023 01:45 PM (aD39U)

17 We've started a list. Known Maui score so far:

Government officials don't tend to non-native grasses on their property.

Government employees arrive to put out a fire, don't put it out, leave.

Government officials don't sound alarm warning residents of emergency.

Government closes schools, abandons children without guardians to the wildfires

Government employees blockade road and prevent escape from fire.

Government shuts down 911

Government employee (official?) shuts off water to put out fire.

Anyone think of anything that needs to be added?

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 18, 2023 01:46 PM (1cF3m)

18 ‘At around 6:00 p.m., we received CWRM’s approval to divert more water,’ Tremble wrote. ‘By then, we were unable to reach the siphon release to make the adjustments that would have allowed more water to fill our reservoirs.

The vandals stole the handle.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 18, 2023 01:46 PM (guGkK)

19 I lived in Hawaii for quite a few years. As a Kama'aina, I came to truly believe that I should never attribute to conspiracy what I can blame on incompetence.

Posted by: RobertM at August 18, 2023 01:46 PM (+/lOf)

20 The problem with that claim is that no one actually goes immediately running for the hills. Usually they get into their cars, 95% of this are equipped with a piece of high-tech gear called "a radio." And on this "radio" device, they will hear "news reports" telling them that the danger is posed by wildfires, not a tsunami. And those "news reports" will mention official government guidance regarding how and where to take shelter.
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His argument isn't entirely insensible, but it also sounds more like an after-the-fact rationalization. I suspect that there is a kernel of truth in it, though: it is usually used for tsunamis. Because that is what it is usually used for, nobody thought to use it for a fire. It isn't in the same headspace. That's the tsunami siren, not the fire siren.

In my town, we have alert sirens that are specifically for two reasons. If some other disaster happened that weren't those two things, would the sirens be used? I don't know. I'd like to think so, but people tend to get stuck in their thinking.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 01:46 PM (kBSKe)

21 Our Lessons Learned Committee has reported back to us, and based on their recommendation we will be installing a separate siren system for wildfires with a distinctly different sound.

We estimate it will cost $6.24 billion and take approximately 23 years to complete.

#MauiStrong

Posted by: Maui Emergency Department at August 18, 2023 01:46 PM (pyXMr)

22 Heckuvajob Herman

Posted by: ... at August 18, 2023 01:46 PM (uwEOC)

23 No word yet on whether the director of their water management system, who did not release water to reservoirs and did not make that water available to firefighters, will resign or if he will continue insisting that water should not be "used" but simply "revered."
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He might hang on. He's the right kind of stupid.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 01:46 PM (kBSKe)

24 The emergency manager was a Dem party lawyer who got his job over a lot of more qualified people. When asked he said he was qualified because he took emergency classes in his prior job. Obviously you troglodytes he's an expert

Posted by: Smell the Glove at August 18, 2023 01:46 PM (593CM)

25 Is there a Tropical Island, anywhere, that has a competent Government?

Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2023 01:47 PM (6ox+6)

26 Herm.

He's got a shaft AND bonushole.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 01:47 PM (Zz0t1)

27 But Bush and Katrina!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at August 18, 2023 01:48 PM (VOvrn)

28 They did everything possible to screw up survival chances to include utility trucks blocking escape routes.

Posted by: Gmac - WTF did you think was going to happen? at August 18, 2023 01:48 PM (qZdIZ)

29 >>Had we sounded the siren that night, we were afraid that people would have gone mauka," he said, adding that people would have headed directly into the flames. Andaya added that there were no sirens located on the mauka or mountainside of Maui where the fires were spreading.

I kinda sorta see his point, but they still f**ked up the management of this horrendously.

At least it's a better explanation than Epstein was cold so we gave him every blanket the prison had and the guards fell asleep and camera malfunctioned and Lois Lerners emails were erased and the backups were erased and the nearline backups were erased and the offline backups were erased and we accidently destroyed her phone and her computer and...

Posted by: Thomas Bender at August 18, 2023 01:48 PM (rc3Z7)

30 Is there a Tropical Island, anywhere, that has a competent Government?
Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2023 01:47 PM (6ox+6)

*leans in*

*waves*

Posted by: Haiti at August 18, 2023 01:48 PM (Zz0t1)

31 Trump disconnected the sirens, calling them a "hoax".

Posted by: ... at August 18, 2023 01:48 PM (uwEOC)

32 The vandals stole the handle.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 18, 2023 01:46 PM (guGkK)

and the flames they won't stop burning no way to put out, no way to put out..

Posted by: Rejected Jethro Tull lyrics at August 18, 2023 01:48 PM (aD39U)

33 We have reached the point where sheer and prolonged incompetence of our civic "leaders" is actually dealing some real world consequences to the fools who vote these clowns into office.

I guess that's a good thing except that the people who didn't vote for them end up as collateral damage.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 18, 2023 01:48 PM (guGkK)

34 Maui's Emergency Management Director Refused to Activate the Warning Sirens To Alert People During the Wildfires;

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Sirens would've harshed his mellow.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 18, 2023 01:48 PM (FVME7)

35 It looks like Hawaiian gov managerial jobs are little more than sinecures. The managers can be completely incompetent and then blame Global Warming when their incompetence kills people. Then they demand more money and power to fight Global Warming.

See also: Wokeness ; California

Posted by: 29Victor at August 18, 2023 01:49 PM (M+gBW)

36 Citing health reasons, Andaya submitted his resignation effective immediately," the County of Maui stated.

"I'm sick of this shit!"
Posted by: Cicero

"My doctor advised me to move to a non-disclosed location before I got thrown into a volcano."

Posted by: mikeski at August 18, 2023 01:49 PM (DgGvY)

37 17 We've started a list. Known Maui score so far:

Government officials don't tend to non-native grasses on their property.

Government employees arrive to put out a fire, don't put it out, leave.

Government officials don't sound alarm warning residents of emergency.

Government closes schools, abandons children without guardians to the wildfires

Government employees blockade road and prevent escape from fire.

Government shuts down 911

Government employee (official?) shuts off water to put out fire.

Anyone think of anything that needs to be added?
Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 18, 2023 01:46 PM (1cF3m)

Citizens elected this government and will continue to elect a government that acts this way.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 18, 2023 01:49 PM (KbCG3)

38 ... Do you say:

"Absolutely! Take as much water as you need, and let me know when you've successfully refilled the water tanks!"

Or do you say:

"Gee, I don't know - you need to check with the farmer who also uses the stream to make sure he's OK with the extra water diversion, and you need to confirm with the Maui fire department that they need the water tanks refilled." ...
Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 18, 2023 01:45 PM (2tUFv)
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Neither. I say, "why the hell are you asking me? There are emergency services battling fires and they need to be prepared. Take the damn water and we'll sort it out later."

That this kind of process exists is a fairly serious underlying problem.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 01:49 PM (kBSKe)

39 Is there a Tropical Island, anywhere, that has a competent Government?

Switzerland.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko stuff at August 18, 2023 01:49 PM (VOvrn)

40 That request went to M. Kaleo Manuel, Deputy Director of Hawaii's Commission on Water Resource Management, and he delayed approval of that water for five hours

.. it's important to use the real names of the imcompetent

Posted by: SMOD at August 18, 2023 01:49 PM (RHGPo)

41 33 We have reached the point where sheer and prolonged incompetence of our civic "leaders" is actually dealing some real world consequences to the fools who vote these clowns into office.

I guess that's a good thing except that the people who didn't vote for them end up as collateral damage.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 18, 2023 01:48 PM (guGkK)

========

Unelected officials across the nation at every level of government used tenuous powers to shut down the entire economy in 2020.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 18, 2023 01:49 PM (LvTSG)

42 I've a queasy feeling stemming from a comment on an earlier thread. ..

That when the fires started, they canceled school and sent the kids home ....

That that is why they are hiding the actual numbers and ages of the dead .....

With rumors of 2,000 being possible.....

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 18, 2023 01:49 PM (yw7eP)

43 Trump disconnected the sirens, calling them a "hoax".
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I thought he called them Triggers??

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 18, 2023 01:49 PM (krqg6)

44 Our tornado sirens go off regularly here. You hear the siren and check your phone to see if it's a real warning or a test. The end.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at August 18, 2023 01:49 PM (sWM8x)

45 Hecka of a job there Brownie! Wait, is that racist?

Posted by: Cheri at August 18, 2023 01:49 PM (oiNtH)

46 Ace, if you haven't seen it:

"President Joe Biden announced his administration would send relief payments to the tune of $700 per household...

Those checks, however, won’t even cover each household’s portion of the $113 billion in aid packages the United States has billed taxpayers for the war in Ukraine, which averages almost $900 per household."

https://tinyurl.com/2ca5cqpw

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 18, 2023 01:50 PM (1cF3m)

47 Don't forget, they cancelled school that day to ensure the kids were at home all snuggled in their beds as the fire raged and killed everything in it's path.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 01:50 PM (Zz0t1)

48 In 2020 we woke up in the United States of Lahaina

Posted by: ... at August 18, 2023 01:50 PM (uwEOC)

49 Had we sounded the siren that night, we were afraid that people would have gone mauka," he said, adding that people would have headed directly into the flames. Andaya added that there were no sirens located on the mauka or mountainside of Maui where the fires were spreading.

I kinda sorta see his point, but they still f**ked up the management of this horrendously.

If you see flames, and you head into them, THAT'S on you.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 01:50 PM (G8h7g)

50 The Babylon Bee
@TheBabylonBee

Deaths Caused By Hurricane Hilary To Be Labeled Suicides https://buff.ly/3P1tRYD

Posted by: Mister Ghost at August 18, 2023 01:50 PM (TGPs7)

51 Unelected officials across the nation at every level of government used tenuous powers to shut down the entire economy in 2020.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 18, 2023 01:49 PM (LvTSG)

"You're alive to post this so obviously it worked!"

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 18, 2023 01:50 PM (KbCG3)

52 Neither. I say, "why the hell are you asking me? There are emergency services battling fires and they need to be prepared. Take the damn water and we'll sort it out later."

That this kind of process exists is a fairly serious underlying problem.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 01:49 PM (kBSKe)
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More to the point, upon getting ghosted for hours, why didn't the local officials do what had to be done and pick up the pieces later if needed?

There is *nothing* more hidebound than government.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 01:51 PM (kBSKe)

53 Goin' Mauka

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As mauka as Britney Spears!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 18, 2023 01:51 PM (FVME7)

54
people would have gone ~~mauka~~ lolo

Posted by: wth at August 18, 2023 01:51 PM (v0R5T)

55 Every Caribbean island I have visited has two rich families that battle it out to see who gets to steal all of the public's money before the other.

Posted by: SMOD at August 18, 2023 01:51 PM (RHGPo)

56 It's the Fuckin' Haoles fault.

Posted by: wth at August 18, 2023 01:51 PM (v0R5T)

57 Democrats did this to you, people of Hawaii.

The government you voted for over and over.

I feel terrible for you. But you won't admit your fault in all this.

Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 18, 2023 01:51 PM (yw7eP)

58 I think I went mauka a few times. Don't know what it is but I'm sure it happened.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 18, 2023 01:51 PM (Xrfse)

59

If you see flames, and you head into them, THAT'S on you.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 01:50 PM (G8h7g)

They're liberals. Liberals are lemmings. They would've likely done exactly that because dey stoopid.

https://is.gd/wfyVij

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 01:51 PM (Zz0t1)

60 Where's Steve McGarrett and 5-0 investigating these crimes? Que The Ventures opening theme song...

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at August 18, 2023 01:52 PM (4vi12)

61 Our tornado sirens go off regularly here. You hear the siren and check your phone to see if it's a real warning or a test. The end.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis

Usually the first Wednesday of the month.

Hear siren, look up into sunny skies, realize it's the first Wednesday of them month, and continue on.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 01:52 PM (G8h7g)

62 Or did Trump call them 'out-riggers'?

Posted by: andycanuck (krqg6) at August 18, 2023 01:52 PM (krqg6)

63
The fire companies in my area all have sirens - which can be heard for miles. If they were turned on and left on that might have given people a clue.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 18, 2023 01:52 PM (enJYY)

64 One siren if by land, two if by sea.

Posted by: spindrift at August 18, 2023 01:52 PM (pyXMr)

65 > He should be denied water to drink.

Put several gallons of clean drinking water into a fountain and force him to sit two feet from the fountain as he dies of thirst. Tell him he may only revere the water. Stand guards around the fountain to keep him there and prevent him from drinking.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 18, 2023 01:52 PM (0N1h0)

66 17
Wow
I didn't know all that

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at August 18, 2023 01:52 PM (QFXde)

67 Maui Emergency Management Agency Administrator Herman Andaya today defended his experience...

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If you haven't heard yet:

"Herman Andaya was not an expert in emergency management when he was hired to lead the Maui Emergency Management Agency in 2017.

Trained in political science and the law, he has no formal education in disaster preparedness or response. And prior to his current role, he never held a full-time job dedicated to emergency management.

Instead, his main qualification was being chief of staff to then-mayor Alan Arakawa. "

https://tinyurl.com/2bofvk4h

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 18, 2023 01:52 PM (1cF3m)

68 As I mentioned on the last thread, Hawaiians should go Arrakis on the guy who refused to release water to fight the wildfires because it should be "revered". I say the Hawaiians should reclaim the water this guy's body is holding if it is that sacred.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 18, 2023 01:52 PM (qoLdL)

69 His argument isn't entirely insensible, but it also sounds more like an after-the-fact rationalization. I suspect that there is a kernel of truth in it, though: it is usually used for tsunamis. Because that is what it is usually used for, nobody thought to use it for a fire. It isn't in the same headspace. That's the tsunami siren, not the fire siren.

In my town, we have alert sirens that are specifically for two reasons. If some other disaster happened that weren't those two things, would the sirens be used? I don't know. I'd like to think so, but people tend to get stuck in their thinking.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 01:46 PM (kBSKe)

Doesn't matter which. The sirens could have awakened people and alerted them that something wicked this way comes.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 18, 2023 01:53 PM (BdMk6)

70 I checked my portfolio, and found out I own a bit more than 100sh of Hawaiian Electric. Oops!

Ooopsie!

We will see how big the strap-on is that the government will put on in their attempt to shift blame to the utility.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 18, 2023 01:53 PM (ufFY8)

71 >>> He should be denied water to drink.

I'm afraid I can't let you drink that, Hal.

Posted by: PUR5000 at August 18, 2023 01:53 PM (6ox+6)

72 Don't worry

My friends will give those burned-out natives top dollar for their properties.

And everything will be okay 👍

Where will the burned-out locals move to?

Not my problem!

Posted by: Oprah at August 18, 2023 01:53 PM (AATb+)

73 Hear siren, look up into sunny skies, realize it's the first Wednesday of them month, and continue on.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 01:52 PM (G8h7g)

Heh, that gives us an idea.

Posted by: The Jew Weather Machine Planning Committee at August 18, 2023 01:53 PM (guGkK)

74 I thought Hawaii got plenty of rain, to supply plenty of fresh water. Maybe they get more on the leeward (?) side of the mountains? idk, but not releasing water for a big fire ... wtf?

Posted by: illiniwek at August 18, 2023 01:53 PM (Cus5s)

75 The water is sacred so you can't use it on icky globull warming caused fires.

Posted by: torabora at August 18, 2023 01:53 PM (OUiUM)

76 I got some t-shirts a couple years ago in Lahaina.
I better hang on to them, they're probably worth something now.

Posted by: wth at August 18, 2023 01:53 PM (v0R5T)

77
*leans in*

*waves*

Posted by: Haiti at August 18, 2023 01:48 PM

Well complete deforestation does serve the purpose of reducing fire risk.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 18, 2023 01:54 PM (enJYY)

78 Hawaiians are getting what they voted for. I'd feel more compassion for their plight if I thought they were capable of learning from it.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 18, 2023 01:54 PM (fs1hN)

79 Doesn't matter which. The sirens could have awakened people and alerted them that something wicked this way comes.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 18, 2023 01:53 PM (BdMk6)
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That's my take on it, too. But my *assumption* is that they just didn't think to use the sirens and came up with the reasoning later - and that the reasoning was partially true in that they didn't think to use them because it wasn't a tsunami.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 01:54 PM (kBSKe)

80 Democrats did this to you, people of Hawaii.

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THE PARTIES SWITCHED!!!

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 18, 2023 01:54 PM (1cF3m)

81 You guys are Lei-ing on the blame, pretty thick.

Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2023 01:54 PM (6ox+6)

82 Those checks, however, won’t even cover each household’s portion of the $113 billion in aid packages the United States has billed taxpayers for the war in Ukraine, which averages almost $900 per household."

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 18, 2023 01:50 PM (1cF3m)

I get the point but this kind of logic is extremely weird to me. In a weird way it encourages people to believe the government can "cover" government expenses by spending more money.

If the government gave every household in America 900 dollars to "cover" the expense of Ukraine, every household in America would still be in the hole for 900 dollars.

Posted by: ... at August 18, 2023 01:55 PM (uwEOC)

83 Not everybody knows how to get an ID or operate a radio, you know.

Posted by: Rev. Al Sharpton at August 18, 2023 01:55 PM (guGkK)

84 Serious question: Are they labeled tsunami sirens or emergency sirens?

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 18, 2023 01:55 PM (1cF3m)

85 All that SPAM. Lost forever.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at August 18, 2023 01:55 PM (ppBhU)

86 They didn't have sirens going when Hiroshima and Nakasaki were wiped off the map either.

Posted by: torabora at August 18, 2023 01:55 PM (OUiUM)

87 Popular internet claim:

13 Jeepers. It's almost as if someone wanted to get rid of the rightful owners of some very expensive property.

Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 superfan! at August 18, 2023 01:45 PM (ZbASP)

Status: MOSTLY FALSE

Context:

Though the real estate in Maui is extremely expensive and held for generation by families limiting development, the claim does not take into account that both corporations and governments love people and would never harm them for any sort of gain.

We find the claim that BlackRock or other trillion dollar asset managers might place their financial interests ahead of everyday people difficult to believe. Blackrock and the government are well-known as forces for good.

Posted by: Fact Checkers at August 18, 2023 01:55 PM (Zqeqr)

88 You guys are Lei-ing on the blame, pretty thick.
Posted by: garrett

Yep, that's coconuts.

Posted by: wth at August 18, 2023 01:55 PM (v0R5T)

89 separate siren system for wildfires with a distinctly different sound.

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It could play Hot Time In the Old Town Tonight.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 18, 2023 01:55 PM (FVME7)

90 Cell phones have an emergency alert system built in. Why didn't they use that instead of a siren?

Posted by: ... at August 18, 2023 01:55 PM (uwEOC)

91 Island surrounded by water on all four sides, still burns up.

Only a Democrat could do that.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 01:56 PM (G8h7g)

92 Did that fat sign lanuage chick in the video apprentice with the "fake sign language interpreter African guy" at the Nelson Mandela memorial? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at August 18, 2023 01:56 PM (cCxiu)

93 Cell phones have an emergency alert system built in. Why didn't they use that instead of a siren?
Posted by: ... at August 18, 2023 01:55 PM (uwEOC)

Last time they did that, they created a panic.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 01:56 PM (Zz0t1)

94 Killing people, burning houses, high crime, corruption, destroying economies, and causing general misery are the typical result of democrat governance.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at August 18, 2023 01:56 PM (17s+e)

95 13 Jeepers. It's almost as if someone wanted to get rid of the rightful owners of some very expensive property.

Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 superfan! at August 18, 2023 01:45 PM (ZbASP)

Whut.

*sidelong glance right*

*sidelong glance left*

Posted by: Nero at August 18, 2023 01:57 PM (guGkK)

96 I could use $700. Is there a form I have to fill out on the intertubes?

Posted by: torabora at August 18, 2023 01:57 PM (OUiUM)

97 Cell phones have an emergency alert system built in. Why didn't they use that instead of a siren?
Posted by: ...

Towers probably burnt up.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 01:57 PM (G8h7g)

98 I feel terrible for you. But you won't admit your fault in all this.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at August 18, 2023 01:51 PM (yw7eP)

NO! Don't feel terrible for them at all. Let them bathe in this POOL OF EXCREMENT they created with their laziness and stupidity. Do Not Effing Care about their agony, do they care about mine when a blizzard or a hurricane hits the Mid-Atlantic USSA? Nope.

Posted by: Ganowicz Commie Exterminators, LTD. at August 18, 2023 01:57 PM (4vi12)

99 All that SPAM. Lost forever.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at August 18, 2023 01:55 PM (ppBhU)

The cure to spam is using an alias, fat.

Posted by: Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 01:57 PM (Zz0t1)

100
I thought Hawaii got plenty of rain, to supply plenty of fresh water. Maybe they get more on the leeward (?) side of the mountains? idk, but not releasing water for a big fire ... wtf?

Posted by: illiniwek at August 18, 2023 01:53 PM

It's been reported that there was a hurricane in the area. Hurricanes are low pressure systems with a counter-clock wind direction. So wind and rain would hit the leeward side upon initial approach.

There's more to the story I guess. Wet brush is not a fire hazard.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 18, 2023 01:57 PM (enJYY)

101 All that SPAM. Lost forever.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority
.......

Sizzle, Pork and Maui

Posted by: wth at August 18, 2023 01:57 PM (v0R5T)

102 >>>They shouldn't resign. They should be brought in front of a grand jury, indicted, tried, found guilty and thrown in a volcano for the murders they've committed.

Are you insane? They're not Republicans, for crying out loud!

Posted by: ace at August 18, 2023 01:57 PM (KRtlO)

103 I may be wrong but, doesn't Hawaii generally get more water from rainfall than it knows what to do with?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at August 18, 2023 01:58 PM (guGkK)

104 All that SPAM. Lost forever.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls

Like tears in the rain...

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 01:58 PM (G8h7g)

105 Towers probably burnt up.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 01:57 PM (G8h7g)

Ah right, I guess it depends how late they decided they weren't going to warn people.

Posted by: ... at August 18, 2023 01:58 PM (uwEOC)

106 Is there a Tropical Island, anywhere, that has a competent Government?
Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2023 01:47 PM (6ox+6)

*leans in*

*waves*
Posted by: Haiti at August 18, 2023 01:48 PM

Don't make me come back there!

(Seriously, don't, I couldn't stand the smell.)

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 18, 2023 01:58 PM (Wnv9h)

107 I'm reading about the large number of billionaires owning properties (and not even including other wealthy investors/investments) in the state and believe NOW IS TGE TIME for Joe's, Crazy K's and the DNC's promised billionaire tax!

We can contribute bigly to other nations. These are our own! (And do not allow the federal government to manage the funding & rebuilding or - IMHO - they'll be nothing for those harmed but for LED street lighting & FEMA burial funding.)

Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemies at August 18, 2023 01:58 PM (GshMh)

108 IIRC there's currently two wildfires burning on the Hawaiian islands. One is on the Big Island and the other is on O'ahu.

And there's still a bunch of wildfires burning in NW Canada.

However, central Africa is positively on fire from the Atlantic to the Indian Ocean.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 18, 2023 01:58 PM (Q4IgG)

109 You guys are Lei-ing on the blame, pretty thick.
Posted by: garrett

Yep, that's coconuts.
Posted by: wth

He was POIsed to get fired anyway.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 18, 2023 01:58 PM (BIG3/)

110
Are you insane? They're not Republicans, for crying out loud!
Posted by: ace at August 18, 2023 01:57 PM (KRtlO)

Your point is valid.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 01:58 PM (Zz0t1)

111 "reports of the fire moving so quickly and at such temperatures that water was spewing out of melting pipes and depressurizing the lines that also supplied the fire hydrants."

first of all, Scientist Rosie taught us that fire can't melt steel. But it does seem odd that a wildfire would melt steel pipes full of water. Maybe they were PVC of something.

Posted by: illiniwek at August 18, 2023 01:58 PM (Cus5s)

112 That reminded me. Lizzy posted this morning:

https://tinyurl.com/23ecfmf9

"On Monday, Hawaiian governor Josh Green announced that his administration was considering acquiring properties in the seaside resort town of Lahaina that had been destroyed by the recent wildfires.

"I'm already thinking of ways for the state to acquire that land so that we can put it into workforce housing, to put it back into families, or make it open spaces in perpetuity as a memorial to the people who were lost," Green said while standing amongst the rubble.

On Monday he said this, when the bodies of only ~ 5 of the 1300+ missing had been identified. After news of Hawaii state actors causing this fire to rage and kill by not activating the alert system, not releasing additional water (until too late), and sending kids home from school early that morning when the power was shut down (mostly kids missing, likely dead).
Something very bad happened/is playing out here.

Posted by: Lizzy at August 18, 2023 08:49 AM (avru5)

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 18, 2023 01:58 PM (1cF3m)

113 separate siren system for wildfires with a distinctly different sound.

1.) Burn baby burn, disco inferno
2.) Fire- by Authur Brown

Posted by: The Walking Dude at August 18, 2023 01:58 PM (cCxiu)

114
He was POIsed to get fired anyway.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 18, 2023 01:58 PM (BIG3/)

Well, flush it down the POIlet.....

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 01:59 PM (Zz0t1)

115 102 >>>They shouldn't resign. They should be brought in front of a grand jury, indicted, tried, found guilty and thrown in a volcano for the murders they've committed.

Are you insane? They're not Republicans, for crying out loud!
Posted by: ace at August 18, 2023 01:57 PM (KRtlO)

=========

They should be memory-holed than given either jobs at NGOs around conservation or academic positions at the University of Hawaii.

There they shall stay for no more than 3 years before they are absorbed back into government.

It's the only fair way.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 18, 2023 01:59 PM (LvTSG)

116 "reports of the fire moving so quickly and at such temperatures that water was spewing out of melting pipes and depressurizing the lines that also supplied the fire hydrants."

first of all, Scientist Rosie taught us that fire can't melt steel. But it does seem odd that a wildfire would melt steel pipes full of water. Maybe they were PVC of something.
Posted by: illiniwek

Must have been a hot assed fire to melt buried pipes.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 02:00 PM (G8h7g)

117
Don't make me come back there!

(Seriously, don't, I couldn't stand the smell.)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at August 18, 2023 01:58 PM (Wnv9h)

But Conan O'Brien went swimming in the waters there and told me everything was wonderful!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 02:00 PM (Zz0t1)

118 Letting your neighbors burn in a wildfire because, reasons

Continue to vote Democrat!

Until you can't.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at August 18, 2023 02:00 PM (AATb+)

119 Must have been a hot assed fire to melt buried pipes.

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You never watched Gilligan's Island?

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 18, 2023 02:00 PM (1cF3m)

120 So the donk in charge of Hawaii think the people they govern, specifically the indigenous kind are stupider than animals. Animals run AWAY from fire not toward it. This is typical democrat bullshit excuse.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at August 18, 2023 02:00 PM (17s+e)

121 It's fucktards all the way down!

Posted by: kallisto at August 18, 2023 02:00 PM (dCxaZ)

122 I actually think his reasoning in fair. If a siren would have sent people into the flames, or he at least had a suspicion that would happen it's a hard call. What is incompetent and worth firing over is the fact it seems there was no plan for wildfire evacuations at all. Your job as director is to plan for all possible emergencies and situations. Your not Tsunami Man, your the EMD.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 18, 2023 02:01 PM (nCaYE)

123 Titanic Chinese property developer Evergrande filed for bankruptcy protection in the United States on Thursday, the culmination of two years of distress as China’s troubled property market slides further into crisis.

Evergrande was once China’s largest property developer and its rise was a symbol of how important the indebted real estate sector had become to China’s economy. Some estimates say the sector accounts for 30 percent of China’s gross domestic product.

Posted by: SMOD at August 18, 2023 02:01 PM (RHGPo)

124 They shouldn't resign. They should be brought in front of a grand jury, indicted, tried, found guilty and thrown in a volcano for the murders they've committed.

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Sir, THAT IS NOT WHO WE ARE!!!!!!

Posted by: Hawaiian Democrats at August 18, 2023 02:02 PM (17s+e)

125 Popular internet claim:

13 Jeepers. It's almost as if someone wanted to get rid of the rightful owners of some very expensive property.

Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 superfan! at August 18, 2023 01:45 PM (ZbASP)

I don't buy into this BUT it has created just a wonderful opportunity for our much maligned elites.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 18, 2023 02:02 PM (KbCG3)

126 They should be memory-holed than given either jobs at NGOs around conservation or academic positions at the University of Hawaii.

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That's a good idea. My first thought was VP, but there aren't enough of those spots to go around. And they've already been rewarded over to Hawaii, so they're clearly people you want to keep.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 18, 2023 02:02 PM (1cF3m)

127 So very sad. I love Maui. It's a beautiful island.

And Lahaina was a fun place to shop for trinkets and browse art galleries and get a bite to eat. There was a lot of history in the town as it was the original "capital" of the Islands.

Only once was I harassed by a local. She was a druggie trying to "aloha" me out of some cash.

Posted by: nurse ratched, otter 841 superfan! at August 18, 2023 02:02 PM (ZbASP)

128 >>So the donk in charge of Hawaii think the people they govern, specifically the indigenous kind are stupider than animals. Animals run AWAY from fire not toward it. This is typical democrat bullshit excuse.

True.

But a Tsunami Warning = Get To Higher Ground.

And that is a bad idea in a Wildfire situation.

Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2023 02:02 PM (6ox+6)

129 Where's Steve McGarrett and 5-0 investigating these crimes? Que The Ventures opening theme song...

or the commenter who goes by "Chin Ho as Wo Fat"

(or similar)

Posted by: kallisto at August 18, 2023 02:02 PM (dCxaZ)

130 However, central Africa is positively on fire from the Atlantic to the Indian Ocean.

Saw that yesterday on some map that tracks wildfires. It's damn near a fourth of the continent.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 18, 2023 02:02 PM (Xrfse)

131 "On Monday, Hawaiian governor Josh Green announced that his administration was considering acquiring properties in the seaside resort town of Lahaina that had been destroyed by the recent wildfires.

"I'm already thinking of ways for the state to acquire that land so that we can put it into workforce housing, to put it back into families, or make it open spaces in perpetuity as a memorial to the people who were lost," Green said while standing amongst the rubble.

WHY DOES THE GOVERNMENT HAVE TO DO ANYTHING????

Put a 1 year fucking moratorium on land sales.
You lock out speculators and the families keep their land.

And nothing has to be done b

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 02:02 PM (G8h7g)

132 Mistakes were made.

Now move along and don't forget to vote Blue.

Posted by: redridinghood at August 18, 2023 02:03 PM (NpAcC)

133 Is there a Tropical Island, anywhere, that has a competent Government?

Alcatraz when it was open

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at August 18, 2023 02:03 PM (vyYQR)

134 Congress is assiduously trying to prepare for future disasters by removing AM radios from cars.

The less you know the calmer you will be before they slaughter us.

Posted by: torabora at August 18, 2023 02:03 PM (OUiUM)

135 I don't buy into this BUT it has created just a wonderful opportunity for our much maligned elites.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer

--

The governor literally announced that it was the plan. The bodies hadn't even stopped smoking.

"I'm already thinking of ways for the state to acquire that land so that we can put it into workforce housing, to put it back into families, or make it open spaces in perpetuity as a memorial to the people who were lost," Green said while standing amongst the rubble.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 18, 2023 02:03 PM (1cF3m)

136 >> However, central Africa is positively on fire from the Atlantic to the Indian Ocean.

Aren't the Chinee planning a Rail Line right through there?

Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2023 02:03 PM (6ox+6)

137 John Kirby, the White House National Security Council coordinator for Strategic Communications, told the Japanese outlet Kyodo News on Thursday that President Joe Biden is open to holding an in-person meeting with communist North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un “without preconditions.”

.. the polls must look pretty awful.
I expect Kim to make Robert.L.Peters look like a fool

Posted by: SMOD at August 18, 2023 02:04 PM (RHGPo)

138 Or, you know, people would run out of their houses and say "holy fuck! The mountain is on fire! "

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 18, 2023 02:04 PM (O1z4v)

139 > So the donk in charge of Hawaii think the people they govern, specifically the indigenous kind are stupider than animals. Animals run AWAY from fire not toward it. This is typical democrat bullshit excuse.

Eh. Even on a flat plain, it's not always clear where the fire is and where it's headed. A burned out area might be smoking, and it might be the safest spot to be.

In a hilly area with many valleys, you could very easily end up going up a one road hill and not know the fire is about to consume that road and trap you there.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 18, 2023 02:04 PM (0N1h0)

140 On the other hand, the guy who should be luau'd Hawaiian style, is the water guy. That guy demonstrably got people killed. That's he's still breathing is a crime.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 18, 2023 02:04 PM (nCaYE)

141 However, central Africa is positively on fire from the Atlantic to the Indian Ocean.

Aren't the Chinee planning a Rail Line right through there?
Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2023 02:03 PM (6ox+6)

It's easier to clear a path when the earth has been scorched.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 02:04 PM (Zz0t1)

142 IIRC there's currently two wildfires burning on the Hawaiian islands. One is on the Big Island and the other is on O'ahu.

And there's still a bunch of wildfires burning in NW Canada.

However, central Africa is positively on fire from the Atlantic to the Indian Ocean.

Posted by: Martini Farmer
===

The "green" ecoterrorists have been quite busy. Maybe they are waiting for the world media to give them some credit for the hard fire making and not just the mythical global warming.

Posted by: Hawaiian Democrats at August 18, 2023 02:04 PM (17s+e)

143
I'm seeing some reports that Peter Brady and Robert Brady are being sought in connection with the removal a tiki idol that may have been responsible for starting the fire.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 18, 2023 02:04 PM (Zqeqr)

144 If the people would honor and worship water like in that last blue monkey movie none of this would have happened.

Posted by: Ripley at August 18, 2023 02:04 PM (KrJTL)

145

"On Monday, Hawaiian governor Josh Green announced that his administration was considering acquiring properties in the seaside resort town of Lahaina that had been destroyed by the recent wildfires.

*****
My rich friends will finance it all!

After all, those natives have lived there long enough.

Posted by: Oprah at August 18, 2023 02:04 PM (AATb+)

146 Put a 1 year fucking moratorium on land sales.
You lock out speculators and the families keep their land.

And nothing has to be done b

Posted by: rickb223

--

The weird part is the way he's talking makes it sound like it's part of the tiny percentage of the island that isn't already owned by the state and federal governments.

And they intend to change that.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 18, 2023 02:04 PM (1cF3m)

147 I just want to make sure I understand this guy's statement...

Had we sounded the siren that night, we were afraid that people would have gone mauka, he said, adding that people would have headed directly into the flames.

At night. Where the flames were. And this is supposed to pass as an answer. I sure hope he can live with himself.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 18, 2023 02:05 PM (YRsIm)

148 Tom Elliott
@tomselliott
Hunter Biden attorney: “He’s a capable, educated, experienced person,” that’s why foreigners were paying him millions.

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He's experienced both the Tijuana corkscrew and Frisco free style.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 18, 2023 02:05 PM (FVME7)

149 Last time they did that, they created a panic.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden

They created a panic in 2018 that an imminent missile attack was to hit Hawaii. They forgot the important phrase "This is only a drill". You put that first and then end with that.

Posted by: Cheri at August 18, 2023 02:05 PM (oiNtH)

150 Is there a Tropical Island, anywhere, that has a competent Government?

Alcatraz when it was open
Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at August 18, 2023 02:03 PM (vyYQR)
*****
We did not like the chow.

Posted by: The Anglin Brothers, living our best life at August 18, 2023 02:05 PM (OUiUM)

151 PG&E has been very active here in California this Summer, clearing brush and performing maintenance on the electrical system. Haven't had any destructive infernos yet either. It only took six or seven years and our serpent headed governor running a stealth campaign for president.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at August 18, 2023 02:05 PM (OZjDX)

152 They all should toss themselves into a volcano

Posted by: Skip at August 18, 2023 02:05 PM (MOY79)

153 Fire not our friend

Posted by: Ogg at August 18, 2023 02:05 PM (guGkK)

154 Or, you know, people would run out of their houses and say "holy fuck! The mountain is on fire! "
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 18, 2023 02:04 PM (O1z4v)

No. They would run STRAIGHT INTO THE FIRE!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 02:05 PM (Zz0t1)

155 I actually think his reasoning in fair. If a siren would have sent people into the flames, or he at least had a suspicion that would happen it's a hard call.
Posted by: Marcus T

If they are like WWII mechanical sirens, that does make some sense. But if they are electric sirens that can 'play' different calls, no. And yes, it sounds like none of these assholes knows or cares what they are supposed to know or do. It would be a great time for a mandate to only hire the competent and skilled from now on.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 18, 2023 02:06 PM (IG4Id)

156 Getting in a car and hearing of the fires wouldn't have helped as the police had the main road out of town blocked.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 18, 2023 02:06 PM (u4sKi)

157 So the incompetent didn't sound the siren because he thought people would run toward the flames.

At night.

He thought they'd see that red glow and run toward it.

Maybe because he's dumb enough that he'd have done just that.

Posted by: Splunge at August 18, 2023 02:06 PM (O1uuu)

158 "Sum Ting Wong," "Wi Tu Lo," "Ho Lee Fuk" and "Burn Ding Ow"

Posted by: SMOD at August 18, 2023 02:06 PM (RHGPo)

159 I guess a signal fire would have been a bad idea.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 18, 2023 02:06 PM (nCaYE)

160 No word yet on whether the director of their water management system, who did not release water to reservoirs and did not make that water available to firefighters, will resign or if he will continue insisting that water should not be "used" but simply "revered."
Posted by Ace at 01:40 PM

It's weird, but I don't recall seeing the typical Leftist responses about getting primitive sky-god worshipping theists out of office regarding this guy. Wonder why the different treatment...

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 18, 2023 02:06 PM (JCZqz)

161 It seems there's no end to carnage that results from govt. mismanagement of impending natural disaster, going all the way back to the Galveston hurricane of 1900.

I went on a site to see pic before and after of Lahaina. There's a pic of a Catholic Church, Maria Lanakila, just across the street from desolation. All the homes are gone. The church is unscathed. Not even the landscaping around it is burnt.

Posted by: kallisto at August 18, 2023 02:06 PM (dCxaZ)

162 Our tornado sirens go off regularly here. You hear the siren and check your phone to see if it's a real warning or a test. The end.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at August 18, 2023 01:49 PM (sWM8x)

Some towns activate their siren for a short blatt every day at noon. "Knock off for lunch, boys!"

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 18, 2023 02:06 PM (P9KUu)

163 Or, you know, people would run out of their houses and say "holy fuck! The mountain is on fire! "
==
People can smell smoke and see the orange light. Wake them up and they figure it out. Let them sleep through it and they don't wake up.

Posted by: Simplemind at August 18, 2023 02:06 PM (HkQc1)

164 No sympathy. They voted for this. They support this. They can burn for it. We are going to need a lot more blue pain and death before anything changes. So let them burn.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 18, 2023 02:07 PM (iFTx/)

165 The center of the Sahara Desert is 1.4284762846649284662920 degrees warmer on average than it was 13,700 years ago!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 18, 2023 02:07 PM (O1z4v)

166 JUMP INTO THE FIRE

https://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=wG_R5n9yIPg

Posted by: METALLICA at August 18, 2023 02:07 PM (6ox+6)

167 Which one of his names will the demented degenerate be using when he lands in Maui?

Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd at August 18, 2023 02:07 PM (VdGjU)

168 " They didn't have sirens going when Hiroshima and Nakasaki were wiped off the map either.
Posted by: torabora "
*********
I think Hiroshima did sound the air raid warning but gave the all clear when it was only three planes.

Posted by: Cosda at August 18, 2023 02:07 PM (eEa31)

169 No. They would run STRAIGHT INTO THE FIRE!
Posted by: Sponge

Well the Hawaiians would have the visitors would have been stuck in town due to the road being blocked.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 18, 2023 02:07 PM (u4sKi)

170 Much of Lahaina is owned by seriously rich people. And the environs.

There are exceptions.

Posted by: JEM at August 18, 2023 02:07 PM (8erNz)

171 I don't buy into this BUT it has created just a wonderful opportunity for our much maligned elites.

Eh, just another "conspiracy theory". All is well.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 18, 2023 02:07 PM (Xrfse)

172 Neither. I say, "why the hell are you asking me? There are emergency services battling fires and they need to be prepared. Take the damn water and we'll sort it out later."

That this kind of process exists is a fairly serious underlying problem.

Good point. There should be a written protocol for all Hawaii water districts saying:

"If your water tanks are emptied, for whatever reason, you are allowed to ignore normal limitations on streamflow withdrawals until you have refilled the tanks."

Having to call a bureaucrat in Honolulu for permission to refill your empty water tanks is idiotic.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 18, 2023 02:07 PM (2tUFv)

173 This may be one of my favorite headlines evah!:

OFFICIAL WHO IGNORED REQUEST FOR WATER DURING MAUI INFERNO: ‘Water Requires Conversations Around Equity.’

It's from Insty but refers to a RedState article.

Is RedState on the Approved list or the Dickweed list?

I do wish that any public official talking about equity instead of doing his/her job in the best manner to serve the public would receive multiple kicks to the nuts, and a pink slip.

This dangerous nonsense has got to stop.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 18, 2023 02:08 PM (QzZeQ)

174 Goodness, there is a R debate next week! Is it the season already???

Posted by: runner at August 18, 2023 02:08 PM (+T4jH)

175 hahahaha, wait until it turns out that a state government EV set the initial flames.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 18, 2023 02:08 PM (1cF3m)

176 Getting in a car and hearing of the fires wouldn't have helped as the police had the main road out of town blocked.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron

Guess how fast they would have gotten run over?

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 02:08 PM (G8h7g)

177 Mistakes were made.
Posted by: redridinghood at August 18, 2023 02:03 PM

Please. Allow me to demonstrate how a professional does it:

Some people may have done some things.
Mistakes may have been made.
Old news.
What difference, at this point, does it make?
Republicans just can't avoid pouncing, can they?
Time to move on.

Posted by: Mika B. at August 18, 2023 02:08 PM (a3Q+t)

178 No word yet on whether the director of their water management system, who did not release water to reservoirs and did not make that water available to firefighters, will resign or if he will continue insisting that water should not be "used" but simply "revered."
________

There's a commenter over at Neo's site who says the quotes about revering water, and equity, are old. He didn't actually say them during the wildfire.

Of course it does show his mentality, which is bad enough.

Posted by: Eeyore at August 18, 2023 02:08 PM (brAQZ)

179 we can put it into workforce housing,

So, like barracks for slaves?

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 18, 2023 02:08 PM (ufFY8)

180 "Had we sounded the alarms, people might've driven in the direction of the fire."

OR... maybe you'd have awakened a lot of sleeping people who became aware of the killer flames far too late because they received no other warning.

Honestly, the dumbest mistakes are made by people who can ONLY think in ways that align with their sense of logic and human behavior. Look at the covid response, the WEF machinations, energy policy... Things turn to shit, and the only response is to go *harder* because things aren't turning out as planned. Amazing how these Peter-principle dipshits always find themselves in command.

Posted by: red speck at August 18, 2023 02:08 PM (0Id0S)

181 WHY DOES THE GOVERNMENT HAVE TO DO ANYTHING????
Posted by: rickb223

Woaaah. That's dangerous talk there, bub.

Posted by: Government at August 18, 2023 02:08 PM (0KrIC)

182 One if by land, two if by sea. Does nobody pay attention anymore to basic nuance? Sheesh.

Posted by: Paul Revere at August 18, 2023 02:08 PM (nCaYE)

183 Not to be Captain Hindsight, but wouldn't be a good idea to have a few different siren patterns? The usual one for tsunamis and maybe four short bursts repeated every 30 seconds for a fire waning. Or depending on the tech, different siren sounds? And maybe a loudspeaker or two?

Also, I get Amber Alerts on my phone that jolt me out of bed because some child was kidnapped seven counties away. Don't they have those?

Posted by: Chuck C at August 18, 2023 02:08 PM (xttsV)

184 Neither. I say, "why the hell are you asking me? There are emergency services battling fires and they need to be prepared. Take the damn water and we'll sort it out later."
-

In case you were wondering, this is white supremacy.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 18, 2023 02:09 PM (1cF3m)

185 Maui's "Miracle Church"

https://tinyurl.com/msekerdu

upon further reading, the church is not unscathed, the roof did sustain some damage

Posted by: kallisto at August 18, 2023 02:09 PM (dCxaZ)

186 I actually think his reasoning in fair. If a siren would have sent people into the flames, or he at least had a suspicion that would happen it's a hard call. What is incompetent and worth firing over is the fact it seems there was no plan for wildfire evacuations at all. Your job as director is to plan for all possible emergencies and situations. Your not Tsunami Man, your the EMD.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 18, 2023 02:01 PM (nCaYE)

Anyone with a lick of sense could see the wildfire potential of that area. I saw it on my first visit to Lahaina and even made a comment about it to a couple of friends.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 18, 2023 02:09 PM (BdMk6)

187
At night. Where the flames were. And this is supposed to pass as an answer. I sure hope he can live with himself.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at August 18, 2023 02:05 PM (YRsIm)

Liberals think EVERYONE is stupid.

Blacks can't use the internet or get drivers licenses. Mexican's can only clean toilets and mow lawns. Hawaiians will run into fire and commit suicide.

But they're down with brown, you guys.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 02:09 PM (Zz0t1)

188
Are you insane? They're not Republicans, for crying out loud!
Posted by: ace

Ace speaks the cruel truth.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 18, 2023 02:09 PM (u4sKi)

189 Whoops.

Jump In The Fire.

Jump Into the Fire was H. Nilsson, I think?

Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2023 02:09 PM (6ox+6)

190 More Hawaiian Democrats need to resign-

Michael Shellenberger
@shellenberger

Many say climate change caused the deadly fires in Hawaii but it didn’t. What caused the fires was Hawaiian Electric’s failure to clear flammable grasses from around electric wires because its focus, and ratepayer money, was going to renewables.

Posted by: redridinghood at August 18, 2023 02:09 PM (NpAcC)

191 " They didn't have sirens going when Hiroshima and Nakasaki were wiped off the map either.
Posted by: torabora "
*********
I think Hiroshima did sound the air raid warning but gave the all clear when it was only three planes.
Posted by: Cosda

Tuck & cover under a school desk wouldn't have worked. Then or now.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 02:10 PM (G8h7g)

192 Is there no private alarm for homes in obvious wildfire zones? Like some kind of smoke or heat detector placed on the edge of the property or around the town? Maybe a warning from something like that might be too late, but it's better than roasting alive in bed.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 18, 2023 02:10 PM (iFTx/)

193 The governor literally announced that it was the plan. The bodies hadn't even stopped smoking.

"I'm already thinking of ways for the state to acquire that land so that we can put it into workforce housing, to put it back into families, or make it open spaces in perpetuity as a memorial to the people who were lost," Green said while standing amongst the rubble.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 18, 2023 02:03 PM (1cF3m)

My point is, I don't think the fires were set intentionally as a way for the state to acquire this land.

I don't dispute that they immediately jumped at the chance to exploit the tragedy. It's what they do.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 18, 2023 02:10 PM (KbCG3)

194 Gel-type superglue.
Upside: doesn't run everywhere
Downside: takes way longer to set

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 02:10 PM (kBSKe)

195 In a hilly area with many valleys, you could very easily end up going up a one road hill and not know the fire is about to consume that road and trap you there.
==
All true. Safest bet head to the sea. Sand does burn and you can get in the ocean if needed.

Posted by: Simplemind at August 18, 2023 02:10 PM (HkQc1)

196 WHY DOES THE GOVERNMENT HAVE TO DO ANYTHING????
Posted by: rickb223

They are here to help.

Posted by: runner at August 18, 2023 02:10 PM (+T4jH)

197 Most of the people in Lahaina are basically serfs. A lot of that land is ultimately owned by very rich people.

Posted by: Paul Revere at August 18, 2023 02:10 PM (nCaYE)

198 would receive multiple kicks to the nuts
Posted by: naturalfake at August 18, 2023 02:08 PM[/i\

That is so cispatriarchal I can't even.

Posted by: Buffy Smythe-Browne at August 18, 2023 02:10 PM (a3Q+t)

199 Getting in a car and hearing of the fires wouldn't have helped as the police had the main road out of town blocked.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron

--

Yeah, I saw an article where cops and utility crews were blocking the roads clearing power poles. People got out with chainsaws to help and they weren't allowed.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 18, 2023 02:10 PM (1cF3m)

200 We had family that had an acre on the ocean in Kihei down by MacKenna. They bought it back in the late 50's. I was also given a Hawaiian name as an infant. My parents' Polynesian friend Auntie Helen de haoled me and gave me the name Hoku Launi. That's what I went by every time I went back to visit.

Posted by: Wierzbowski formerly QID at August 18, 2023 02:11 PM (vyYQR)

201 >>Is there no private alarm for homes in obvious wildfire zones?

Fire Lookout Towers.

That's about it.

Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2023 02:11 PM (6ox+6)

202 I just looked at the 2020 Hazard Vulnerability Analysis for Hawaii. It is the only one I could find on their website. It should be done annually and they may have and just isn't on their website.

For Maui: Guess what the #1 hazard is: Climate Change
#12 - Wildfires.
Extreme heat and cold are numbers 4 & 5.

Posted by: Cheri at August 18, 2023 02:11 PM (oiNtH)

203 Not to be Captain Hindsight, but wouldn't be a good idea to have a few different siren patterns? The usual one for tsunamis and maybe four short bursts repeated every 30 seconds for a fire waning. Or depending on the tech, different siren sounds? And maybe a loudspeaker or two?

Also, I get Amber Alerts on my phone that jolt me out of bed because some child was kidnapped seven counties away. Don't they have those?
Posted by: Chuck C at August 18, 2023 02:08 PM (xttsV)
++++
1. Too much to remember. "Oh, is that the tidal wave warning or the malaria outbreak warning. Fuck. I don't remember." Most people can't identify the difference between police, ambulance and fire truck sirens.
2. They do have mobile alerts, but a lot of wireless infrastructure burned down very quickly.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 02:12 PM (kBSKe)

204 My point is, I don't think the fires were set intentionally as a way for the state to acquire this land.

I don't dispute that they immediately jumped at the chance to exploit the tragedy. It's what they do.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer

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Yeah, it's probably a lot like China and COVID. It wasn't time to release it, but make the most of it once it's out.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 18, 2023 02:12 PM (1cF3m)

205 When you don't know how to govern; and it is increasingly obvious to everyone you don't know how to govern, there are only two conclusions to come to. One, the voters in your area are just total idiots, dumber than even just one rock. Or... two, the dem's cheating apparatus is significantly more sophisticated and widespread than we generally assume. If you are voting blue in these hellholes, you are evil totally evil, or totally stupid. There is no other explanation.

Posted by: Black JEM at August 18, 2023 02:12 PM (UVyKP)

206 >>Gel-type superglue.
Upside: doesn't run everywhere
Downside: takes way longer to set

The UV Activated stuff is nice.

Best results I get is using a Syringe and a 5x Magnifier with normal viscosity stuff.

Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2023 02:12 PM (6ox+6)

207 Also, I get Amber Alerts on my phone that jolt me out of bed because some child was kidnapped seven counties away.

Those can very easily be toggled off in you phone's settings.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 18, 2023 02:12 PM (Xrfse)

208 would have been stuck in town due to the road being blocked.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 18, 2023 02:07 PM (u4sKi)

This makes perfect sense. Block the roads. No one in or out.

"But there's a fire....."

"THEY BOUGHT their houses. THEY KNEW what they were getting into. I say, LET EM burn."

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 02:12 PM (Zz0t1)

209 Yeah, it's probably a lot like China and COVID. It wasn't time to release it, but make the most of it once it's out.
Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 18, 2023 02:12 PM (1cF3m)
++++
Everything and everybody is opportunistic.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 02:13 PM (kBSKe)

210 Not to be Captain Hindsight, but wouldn't be a good idea to have a few different siren patterns? The usual one for tsunamis and maybe four short bursts repeated every 30 seconds for a fire waning. Or depending on the tech, different siren sounds? And maybe a loudspeaker or two?

--

You're talking about a population that will run towards fire if they see it.

You think they're going to be able to discern multiple sounds from a warning system?

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 18, 2023 02:13 PM (1cF3m)

211 202 I just looked at the 2020 Hazard Vulnerability Analysis for Hawaii. It is the only one I could find on their website. It should be done annually and they may have and just isn't on their website.

For Maui: Guess what the #1 hazard is: Climate Change
#12 - Wildfires.
Extreme heat and cold are numbers 4 & 5.
Posted by: Cheri at August 18, 2023 02:11 PM (oiNtH)
__________

Extreme cold? On Maui? How does that even make the list, let alone so much higher than fire?

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 18, 2023 02:13 PM (iFTx/)

212 There's a commenter over at Neo's site who says the quotes about revering water, and equity, are old. He didn't actually say them during the wildfire.

True.

The guy was a part-Native Hawaiian who got a degree in "Hawaiian Studies" from the University of Hawaii, plus a more advanced degree.

I bet that the "Hawaiian Studies" majors have a direct pipeline into government employment on Hawaii.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 18, 2023 02:13 PM (2tUFv)

213 Cell phones have an emergency alert system built in. Why didn't they use that instead of a siren?
Posted by: ...

One news story said that is what they were doing, but the loss of electricity limited the calling.

No clue how real this internet report is.

Posted by: Adriane the Partially Educated Vulcanology Critic . . . at August 18, 2023 02:13 PM (jonTH)

214 I bought Hawaii style 'gubmit" to the mainland. Aloha suckers!

Posted by: Barky O'Fukstik at August 18, 2023 02:13 PM (cCxiu)

215 If only they had gone with renewables and wind turbines, there would have been a fire...

https://tinyurl.com/2v2sabpj

Posted by: Marcus T at August 18, 2023 02:13 PM (nCaYE)

216 Some towns activate their siren for a short blatt every day at noon. "Knock off for lunch, boys!"
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 18, 2023

***
Way Back in the Before Times, when JFK was president, we had a siren about a block from my grammar school that went off every day at lunch.

I seem to recall a Civil Defense horn hanging on the fence on Royal Street at the rear of that garden behind the cathedral, too. Don't recall it ever going off -- I think it was tied into the Conelrad "We's about to bombed by the Russkies, boys!" system.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 18, 2023 02:13 PM (J2vNu)

217 Yeah, it's probably a lot like China and COVID. It wasn't time to release it, but make the most of it once it's out.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 18, 2023 02:12 PM (1cF3m)

Now, see, on that, haha. Yeah, that was an intentional release IMHO.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 18, 2023 02:14 PM (KbCG3)

218 I use a lot of Super Glue type adhesive when installing Pinball Playfields. It keeps the Clearcoat from cracking.

Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2023 02:14 PM (6ox+6)

219 They should be brought in front of a grand jury, indicted, tried, found guilty and thrown in a volcano for the murders they've committed.
Posted by: Sponge

Please to volunteer for your campaign for President of Hawaii

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at August 18, 2023 02:14 PM (skDUu)

220 This busty brunette/dirty blonde is fairly horrified that so many people are dead thanks to rank incompetence:
https://is.gd/rPyrVQ

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 02:14 PM (kBSKe)

221 Gel-type superglue.
Upside: doesn't run everywhere
Downside: takes way longer to set

Put the gel glue where you want it to be
Spray super glue activator on the other mating surface
Put the two surfaces together

Posted by: bonhomme at August 18, 2023 02:14 PM (0N1h0)

222 Now, see, on that, haha. Yeah, that was an intentional release IMHO.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer

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Oh, I think it was intentional. I just don't think it had cooked long enough.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 18, 2023 02:15 PM (1cF3m)

223 Gel-type superglue.
Upside: doesn't run everywhere
Downside: takes way longer to set
Posted by: Joe Mannix

Shake baking soda on it.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at August 18, 2023 02:15 PM (u4sKi)

224 Everything and everybody is opportunistic.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 02:13 PM (kBSKe)

When exactly does "scenario planning" become "making it happen"?

When is the former evidence of the latter?

Posted by: Thesokorus at August 18, 2023 02:15 PM (DXMJT)

225 maybe they need a different siren sound/code for wildfires ... or did they never consider the possibility of wildfires, only tsunamis? How often do they get tsunamis? (like, never?)

Posted by: illiniwek at August 18, 2023 02:15 PM (Cus5s)

226 If only there was a secondary source of firefighting water.

Posted by: torabora at August 18, 2023 02:15 PM (OUiUM)

227 Emergency Management Agency Administrator Herman Andaya resigned? Because did nothing to warn the public that Maui was about to go up in smoke because he didn't want them going mauka? Well that worked out perfect because they went makai instead. I foresee a lifetime of awkward luaus in his future.

Posted by: Lost In Space at August 18, 2023 02:15 PM (kxv2o)

228 35 It looks like Hawaiian gov managerial jobs are little more than sinecures. The managers can be completely incompetent and then blame Global Warming when their incompetence kills people. Then they demand more money and power to fight Global Warming.

See also: Wokeness ; California

Posted by: 29Victor at August 18, 2023 01:49 PM (M+gBW)

Interviews for medium-level State jobs in Hawaii probably go like this -

Governor or State Agency Chief: "What are your qualifications for this job?"

Interviewee: "I am fluent in Environmental, Victimhood, and all other dialects of Woke."

Governor or State Agency Chief: "You're hired!"

Posted by: Gref at August 18, 2023 02:15 PM (AMIL/)

229 It was why they had to tell everyone that it existed. Otherwise no one would've known, same as when they caught it in late 2019.

Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 18, 2023 02:15 PM (1cF3m)

230 https://is.gd/rPyrVQ
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 02:14 PM (kBSKe)

Mind the gap.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 02:15 PM (Zz0t1)

231 > One news story said that is what they were doing, but the loss of electricity limited the calling.

Don't cell towers usually have battery/generator backup?

Posted by: bonhomme at August 18, 2023 02:16 PM (0N1h0)

232 If he was a Republican he would already have been arrested, and every Republican in America would be asked by the press why the R party is ok with murdering hundreds of brown people.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 18, 2023 01:44 PM (lc5cP)

Or more importantly, why FEMA is obstructing the movement of supplies to the area.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at August 18, 2023 02:16 PM (Mzdiz)

233 Makua = towards the hills.

Posted by: Elmer at August 18, 2023 02:17 PM (5Fn3T)

234 Democrats. You can't live with them, and you can't murder them.

Posted by: Jim at August 18, 2023 02:17 PM (zhWvq)

235 So I went to watch "The FBI Pulls Another Ruby Ridge - Only WORSE! Viva Frei Clips" on Youtube and I was greeted by an ad from President Skeletor,. He is pimping his new site JoeBiden.com/monthly for monthly recurring donations.
I don't know what analytics Youtube is using for their ads but I don't think people watching Viva Frei with "Ruby Ridge" in the title are the Joe Biden donor demographics they are looking for.

Posted by: BeautifulHillaryClinton at August 18, 2023 02:17 PM (MFZ8i)

236 Mauka

Posted by: Elmer at August 18, 2023 02:17 PM (5Fn3T)

237 187 >>>Liberals think EVERYONE is stupid.

"The Hawaiian people are like children. Or like moths. They're like little baby moth-children; if they see light, they will instinctively allow their curiosity take over and will advance straight into the oncoming flames. Much like Pele, herself, Hawaii's soul-children will give themselves back to the land."
–NPR story, probably

Posted by: red speck at August 18, 2023 02:17 PM (0Id0S)

238 Usually they get into their cars, 95% of this are equipped with a piece of high-tech gear called "a radio." And on this "radio" device, they will hear "news reports" telling them that the danger is posed by wildfires, not a tsunami. And those "news reports" will mention official government guidance regarding how and where to take shelter.

But i thought The Man was gonna take AM radios out of all the cars because no one listens to that conservative Christian crap any more now that Rush is dead. /sarc tag

Posted by: BifBewalski at August 18, 2023 02:17 PM (3CCua)

239 https://is.gd/rPyrVQ
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 02:14 PM (kBSKe)

Wildcat.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at August 18, 2023 02:18 PM (ufFY8)

240 Interviews for medium-level State jobs in Hawaii probably go like this -

Governor or State Agency Chief: "What are your qualifications for this job?"

Interviewee: "I am fluent in Environmental, Victimhood, and all other dialects of Woke."

Governor or State Agency Chief: "You're hired!"

You forgot one question:

"Who's sponsoring you?"

Or in Chicagoese:

"Who sent you? We don't want nobody that nobody sent."

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 18, 2023 02:18 PM (2tUFv)

241 202 I just looked at the 2020 Hazard Vulnerability Analysis for Hawaii. It is the only one I could find on their website. It should be done annually and they may have and just isn't on their website.

For Maui: Guess what the #1 hazard is: Climate Change
#12 - Wildfires.
Extreme heat and cold are numbers 4 & 5.
Posted by: Cheri at August 18, 2023 02:11 PM

#1 should be replaced by Local and State Government

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at August 18, 2023 02:18 PM (Oq/TM)

242 231 > One news story said that is what they were doing, but the loss of electricity limited the calling.

Don't cell towers usually have battery/generator backup?
Posted by: bonhomme at August 18, 2023 02:16 PM (0N1h0)

Man, it's almost like putting your full faith in outside systems created and run by people with no demonstrable skills to keep you safe is like, a bad idea or something.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 18, 2023 02:18 PM (KbCG3)

243 220 This busty brunette/dirty blonde is fairly horrified that so many people are dead thanks to rank incompetence:
https://is.gd/rPyrVQ
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 02:14 PM (kBSKe)

========

Nail color does not match her underwear.

3/10

Would not bang.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 18, 2023 02:18 PM (LvTSG)

244 You ain't using me to put out no darn fire until I have been sufficiently revered.

Posted by: Hawaiian Water at August 18, 2023 02:19 PM (cCxiu)

245 Herman Andaya may have resigned from this job, but there's no way we've seen the last of him. He'll end up somewhere else in the Hawaiian government. Probably even get a promotion. These people are like cockroaches only more cockroachy. You can never get rid of them. Not even if you set the entire island on fire. Or if you nuke it from space.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 18, 2023 02:19 PM (iFTx/)

246 Up until King Kamehameha's death Hawaiian practiced some brutal human sacrifices. Maybe they should bring back the Kapu system?

Posted by: Marcus T at August 18, 2023 02:19 PM (nCaYE)

247 I think a lot of what happened during this fire is the result of the mindset of, "This is paradise. It can't happen here".

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 18, 2023 02:19 PM (BdMk6)

248 This is Democrat governance at its... most typical.
---
They shouldn't be in charge of anything at any level anywhere.

Their narcissism is a danger to everybody else.

So, their voters are kinda that too.

Posted by: Axeman at August 18, 2023 02:20 PM (krQz2)

249 234 Democrats. You can't live with them, and you can't murder them.
Posted by: Jim at August 18, 2023 02:17 PM (zhWvq)
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Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Ron Brown, & Vince Foster beg to differ.

Posted by: BeautifulHillaryClinton at August 18, 2023 02:20 PM (MFZ8i)

250 You would never be allowed to rant against leftards like this in America because you would be destroyed.

https://tinyurl.com/mr2trdva

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at August 18, 2023 02:20 PM (Mzdiz)

251 Or more importantly, why FEMA is obstructing the movement of supplies to the area.

Too busy with other shit. Those reeducation camps aren't gonna build themselves.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 18, 2023 02:20 PM (Xrfse)

252 China’s Fertility Rate Drops to Record Low

The Guardian: “Figure fell from 1.15 in 2021 to 1.09, the lowest of any country with a population over 100 million.”

Posted by: SMOD at August 18, 2023 02:20 PM (RHGPo)

253 "we were afraid that people would have gone mauka"

Never go full mauka.

Posted by: Please Place The gp In The Bag at August 18, 2023 02:21 PM (MvF+J)

254 The fire was on the hillside.

NYT, August 13th, in part, "Hoping to control the blaze as it took root among homes along the hillside nearly a mile above the center of town, fire crews encountered water pressure that was increasingly feeble, with the wind turning the streams into mist. Then, as the inferno stoked by hurricane-force gusts grew, roaring further toward the historic center of town on the island of Maui, the hydrants sputtered and became largely useless."

Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemies at August 18, 2023 02:21 PM (GshMh)

255 This busty brunette/dirty blonde is fairly horrified that so many people are dead thanks to rank incompetence:
https://is.gd/rPyrVQ
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 02:14 PM (kBSKe)

Looks like she's all dressed up to go to Herman Andaya's necktie party.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 18, 2023 02:21 PM (P9KUu)

256 Our Lessons Learned Committee has reported back to us, and based on their recommendation we will be installing a separate siren system for wildfires with a distinctly different sound.

We estimate it will cost $6.24 billion and take approximately 23 years to complete.

#MauiStrong
Posted by: Maui Emergency Department at August 18, 2023 01:46 PM (pyXMr)

The update come 2046:

"We have successfully installed a test siren and we are confident after a series of 20 tests and 10 design revisions at a small cost of $24.73 billion we will have the project underway within the decade after an additional bond measure of $78.32 billion passes and on the condition it is matched by an equal amount of federal funding."

Posted by: Sjg at August 18, 2023 02:21 PM (Lstct)

257 You got to hand it to Haiti on there fire prevention efforts.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 18, 2023 02:21 PM (nfrVj)

258 If only there was a secondary source of firefighting water.
Posted by: torabora at August 18, 2023 02:15 PM (OUiUM)

There used to be an ocean near there. But those fucking Rethuglicans drained it to put in that railroad I told you about.

-AOC, aka, Big Titty Donkey Show

Posted by: BifBewalski at August 18, 2023 02:21 PM (3CCua)

259 Lol...an image on somebody's DU post regarding the Hawaii fires. I think it's important for all of us, too.
https://tinyurl.com/5z4rzxmd

Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 18, 2023 02:21 PM (JCZqz)

260 246 Up until King Kamehameha's death Hawaiian practiced some brutal human sacrifices. Maybe they should bring back the Kapu system?
Posted by: Marcus T at August 18, 2023 02:19 PM (nCaYE)
_______

Fake news. The natives all lived in perfect peaceful harmony. They rode unicorns and drank ambrosia. It was the evil Western whitey (spit!) who fucked it all up and brought violence and oppression to the islands.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 18, 2023 02:21 PM (iFTx/)

261 >>China’s Fertility Rate Drops to Record Low

Obviously, they need to encourage more of their young men to Transition.

Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2023 02:22 PM (6ox+6)

262 In a hilly area with many valleys, you could very easily end up going up a one road hill and not know the fire is about to consume that road and trap you there.
==
All true. Safest bet head to the sea. Sand does burn and you can get in the ocean if needed.
Posted by: Simplemind

Safest place to be? Already burnt ground. Ground in a wildfire doesn't burn a second time.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 18, 2023 02:22 PM (G8h7g)

263 >>> They shouldn't resign. They should be brought in front of a grand jury, indicted, tried, found guilty and thrown in a volcano for the murders they've committed. Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 01:42 PM (Zz0t1)

Agreed. John Pelletier, the Maui police chief, was part of the Las Vegas shooting investigation. He got to fail up and slink over to Maui, just to fail again. Letting these incompetent losers fail up time and time again has to stop, and convictions with actual jail time and punishments might do it.

Throwing them in a volcano is a solid backup plan!

Posted by: LizLem at August 18, 2023 02:22 PM (KYN8a)

264 All that SPAM. Lost forever.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls

Not lost.
Simply crispy.
Like cracklings.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at August 18, 2023 02:22 PM (QFXde)

265 LOL, watching baseball. Commentator just said "the Royals have the greatest swing percentage in the league".

What?

Swing percentage?

Sabremetrics gone wild.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 18, 2023 02:22 PM (ufFY8)

266 Grotesquely Pendulous earlobes. Would not bang.

Posted by: Farcical explanations for sexual continence backwards R us at August 18, 2023 02:22 PM (HkQc1)

267 The ancient Hawaiians, for whom only a Latino may speak, revered silence. I like to think I have honored them...

Posted by: Herman Andaya at August 18, 2023 02:22 PM (08CnU)

268 So I went to watch "The FBI Pulls Another Ruby Ridge - Only WORSE! Viva Frei Clips" on Youtube

Posted by: BeautifulHillaryClinton at August 18, 2023 02:17 PM (MFZ8i)
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This is Uvalde School Shooting level of Mike Pence type care.

Posted by: Axeman at August 18, 2023 02:23 PM (krQz2)

269 174 Goodness, there is a R debate next week!
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Ramaswamy will likely benefit the most from this.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at August 18, 2023 02:23 PM (sWM8x)

270 OMG you guys, I have AMAZING NEWS!

Jim Cramer says he DOESN'T think China's market will collapse.

https://is.gd/1PkQic

China's going down, y'all!

Posted by: bonhomme at August 18, 2023 02:23 PM (0N1h0)

271 Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 18, 2023 02:21 PM (JCZqz)

*facepalm*

Posted by: kallisto at August 18, 2023 02:23 PM (dCxaZ)

272 Grotesquely Pendulous earlobes. Would not bang.
Posted by: Farcical explanations for sexual continence backwards R us at August 18, 2023 02:22 PM (HkQc1)
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Yuck. Mole! Would not bang!

Posted by: Totally Manly Men of AoSHQ at August 18, 2023 02:24 PM (krQz2)

273 A new report revealed Wikipedia’s permissive role in the concerted effort to protect President Joe Biden by blocking Americans from reading politically-negative information tied to his embattled son. According to data entries reviewed by independent journalist Lee Fang, Wikipedia allowed special consultants “hired” by Hunter Biden to manipulate the “Hunter Biden” page with “stealth edits.” Wikipedia, a site funded by leftist billionaire George Soros, seemingly stood idly by as entries tying Hunter to damning bribery scandals were edited “without any fingerprints.”

Posted by: SMOD at August 18, 2023 02:24 PM (RHGPo)

274 What?

Swing percentage?

Sabremetrics gone wild.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at August 18, 2023 02:22 PM (ufFY

Baseball has actually gotten gayer and stupider and I didn't think that was possible.

Posted by: ... at August 18, 2023 02:24 PM (uwEOC)

275 If only there was a secondary source of firefighting water.
Posted by: torabora at August 18, 2023 02:15 PM (OUiUM)

Powerful fireboats might be of some assistance, depending on the shoreline configuration.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 18, 2023 02:24 PM (P9KUu)

276 137 John Kirby, the White House National Security Council coordinator for Strategic Communications, told the Japanese outlet Kyodo News on Thursday that President Joe Biden is open to holding an in-person meeting with communist North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un “without preconditions.”

.. the polls must look pretty awful.
I expect Kim to make Robert.L.Peters look like a fool
Posted by: SMOD at August 18, 2023 02:04 PM (RHGPo)

Trump is to blame for the Maui Wildfire Disaster.

When Hawaii sounded the alarm that the Norks were about to nuke Maui, they did it to make Trump look bad. Now that Trump is no longer POTUS, they didn't have a reason to sound the alarm anymore.

So, Trump is to blame. QED.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at August 18, 2023 02:25 PM (/iWhV)

277 This busty brunette/dirty blonde is fairly horrified that so many people are dead thanks to rank incompetence:
https://is.gd/rPyrVQ

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 02:14 PM (kBSKe)
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Non-symmetrical hair. Would not bang.

Posted by: Totally Manly Men of AoSHQ at August 18, 2023 02:25 PM (krQz2)

278 Teacher should be fired, but since this is Canada, not sure if Archbishop is allowed to be Catholic. -

In Catholic teacher Paolo De Buono's classroom, which he calls the 'Rainbow Room,' the archbishop was told 'you cannot say that there are only two genders, male or female, and that a person cannot in fact be a transgender person or a non-binary person. This includes not quoting paragraph 2333 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.'

Posted by: Chuck Martel at August 18, 2023 02:25 PM (fs1hN)

279 WHY DOES THE GOVERNMENT HAVE TO DO ANYTHING????
Posted by: rickb223

It's either that or they'd have to get honest work.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at August 18, 2023 02:26 PM (FVME7)

280 This is Democrat governance at its... most typical.

Well, except the part about him resigning.

Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I AM The Science at August 18, 2023 02:26 PM (lg881)

281 Speaking of wildfires ( I missed this if someone already poat'ed it )

@disclosetv 21h
JUST IN - Crisis-hit Chinese property giant Evergrande files for Chapter 15 bankruptcy in New York.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 18, 2023 02:26 PM (IG4Id)

282 The sirens where I live go off to warn us of bad weather (usually tornados), or to let us know it is 1:00 PM on the first Wednesday of the month.

Usually, though, our first reaction to the sirens going off unexpectedly is to check the internet or radio to see why they are going off.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at August 18, 2023 02:26 PM (F4bAW)

283 The late Chicago baseball legend Minnie Miñoso was also known as “Mr. White Sox” and the “Cuban Comet.” Now he will be known, too, for a South Side school that newly bears his name. Minnie Miñoso Academy — the building formerly known as George McClellan Elementary, located just a few blocks west of Sox ballpark Guaranteed Rate Field — was celebrated Thursday with a back-to-school bash ahead of opening day in Chicago Public Schools on Monday.

Posted by: SMOD at August 18, 2023 02:26 PM (RHGPo)

284 Safest place to be? Already burnt ground. Ground in a wildfire doesn't burn a second time
=
Not going to disagree. Would however point out that charcoal burns pretty well. If it's a big wildfire and the hot winds shift back burned stuff can burn again. I'm heading for the beach if it is close or a lake. Ymmv. I'm ok.with that.

Posted by: Not a smoke jumper but at August 18, 2023 02:26 PM (HkQc1)

285 You would never be allowed to rant against leftards like this in America because you would be destroyed.

https://tinyurl.com/mr2trdva
Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at August 18, 2023 02:20 PM (Mzdiz)
+++++
Because they kill you!
You can't give shit leftists an inch. If you give them an inch, they will use it to destroy you. You can't negotiate with leftists. You don't negotiate with trash because they will end you. And since we are so much better than them, since we are defeating them in the cultural battle, we're not only superior economically, we're morally superior, we're aesthetically superior, we're better than them at everything, it triggers them. And since they can't be our arguments and ideas peacefully, they use the repressive apparatus of the state to destroy us. And yet they are still losing. You understand? They're losing. They're desperate. Shit leftists are losing the cultural war. For the first time ever, leftists are cornered.

#based

And the interviewer looked on in horror.

Given that he is doing well in public elections, something tells me they're not going to let this guy live.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 02:26 PM (kBSKe)

286 "Wikipedia allowed special consultants “hired” by Hunter Biden to manipulate the “Hunter Biden” page with “stealth edits.”"

Anybody can edit Wikipedia, but I don't know if that includes 'stealth editing.' I assume stealth editing leaves no record in the logs.

Posted by: Please Place The gp In The Bag at August 18, 2023 02:27 PM (MvF+J)

287 Some of the early Hawaiian sacrifices would but the Aztecs to shame. They did neat stuff like pull out people's intestines while they were still alive. There's a lot of other stuff, most of it involves cutting. Well, as best you can cut with sharpened volcanic rock anyway.

Posted by: Marcus T at August 18, 2023 02:27 PM (nCaYE)

288 This Javier Milei guy is fucking FIRE. "Why do you call them 'shit'?" "BECAUSE THEY ARE SHIT!" More, please.

Posted by: Elric Blade at August 18, 2023 02:28 PM (iFTx/)

289 Lol...an image on somebody's DU post regarding the Hawaii fires. I think it's important for all of us, too.
https://tinyurl.com/5z4rzxmd
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 18, 2023 02:21 PM (JCZqz)
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Thank you for that. You're very thougtful.

:: uptwinkles ::

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 02:28 PM (kBSKe)

290 Wikipedia, a site funded by leftist billionaire George Soros, seemingly stood idly by as entries tying Hunter to damning bribery scandals were edited “without any fingerprints.”
____

Weird how this works.

Posted by: Cocaine bag found in WH without any fingerprints at August 18, 2023 02:28 PM (fs1hN)

291 I don't care how laid back Hawaiians are supposed to be. Beneath the welfare queen cool they're Maori or Samoan. And when they're pissed, look out.

Posted by: Regular joe at August 18, 2023 02:28 PM (nnp+f)

292 OMG you guys, I have AMAZING NEWS!

Jim Cramer says he DOESN'T think China's market will collapse. ...
Posted by: bonhomme at August 18, 2023 02:23 PM (0N1h0)
++++
Inverse Cramer says China's finished.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 02:28 PM (kBSKe)

293 https://is.gd/rPyrVQ

She goes onto to my Mannix girls favorite list .

Posted by: polynikes at August 18, 2023 02:28 PM (Srp34)

294 think a lot of what happened during this fire is the result of the mindset of, "This is paradise. It can't happen here".
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 18, 2023 02:19 PM (BdMk6)
*****
Word

Posted by: Paradise, California at August 18, 2023 02:28 PM (OUiUM)

295 Anyone think of anything that needs to be added?
Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 18, 2023 01:46 PM (1cF3m)

Yeah. No one in the area, even those not directly affected by the fires can leave their homes with out an orange card permission slip allowing them to move about the island. Lockdown, passport.

See Ryan Christian at last American vagabond. He's asking all the right questions.

Posted by: Derak at August 18, 2023 02:28 PM (xXlxF)

296 259 Lol...an image on somebody's DU post regarding the Hawaii fires. I think it's important for all of us, too.
https://tinyurl.com/5z4rzxmd
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 18, 2023 02:21 PM (JCZqz)

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Better or worse than thoughts and prayers?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 18, 2023 02:28 PM (LvTSG)

297 >>> 247 I think a lot of what happened during this fire is the result of the mindset of, "This is paradise. It can't happen here".

Also see "Manana", aka "I'll get it to it tomorrow" in Caribbean countries, and "god willing," aka "eh if it happens it happens" in Muslim countries. Kicking the can down the road only works for so long.

It's why Puerto Rico suffered so bad with the hurricanes, they'd ignored their electric grid until the hurricane made them pay attention, and the whole island lost power. Too little maintenance done far too late.

Posted by: LizLem at August 18, 2023 02:29 PM (KYN8a)

298 >>>25 Is there a Tropical Island, anywhere, that has a competent Government?
Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2023 01:47 PM (6ox+6)

Singapore? OK, maybe a hair TOO competent.

Posted by: S at August 18, 2023 02:29 PM (wzAuc)

299
Government is the word for things we do when we burn together.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 18, 2023 02:29 PM (enJYY)

300 Radio?
- GenZ

Posted by: Montec at August 18, 2023 02:29 PM (t/iaU)

301 Which one of his names will the demented degenerate be using when he lands in Maui?
Posted by: That Northernlurker what lurkd

Friend of Cornpop.

Posted by: JT at August 18, 2023 02:29 PM (T4tVD)

302 Add

Government blocks supplies and relief efforts.

to the list.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Some comments were lost, so if you said something interesting, repeat it here. at August 18, 2023 02:30 PM (oZ23Y)

303 don't care how laid back Hawaiians are supposed to be. Beneath the welfare queen cool they're Maori or Samoan. And when they're pissed, look out.
Posted by: Regular joe at August 18, 2023 02:28 PM (nn

Will they riot and burn down the rest of their homes and businesses? That's what the aggrieved usually do.

Posted by: polynikes at August 18, 2023 02:30 PM (Srp34)

304 would receive multiple kicks to the nuts
Posted by: naturalfake at August 18, 2023 02:08 PM[/i\

That is so cispatriarchal I can't even.
Posted by: Buffy Smythe-Browne at August 18, 2023 02:10 PM (a3Q+t)

Please forgive me.

Please apply "multiple cuntpunts" as indicated.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 18, 2023 02:30 PM (QzZeQ)

305 >>>Agreed. John Pelletier, the Maui police chief, was part of the Las Vegas shooting investigation. He got to fail up and slink over to Maui, just to fail again.

Fail? He accomplished what he was told to accomplish. "It was one guy and we may never know what set him off."

Any thinking person would question the official report, just as any thinking person would ask why the homeless weren't dying from covid.

Posted by: Miley, okravangelist at August 18, 2023 02:30 PM (Mzdiz)

306 OMG you guys, I have AMAZING NEWS!

Jim Cramer says he DOESN'T think China's market will collapse. ...
Posted by: bonhomme at August 18, 2023 02:23 PM (0N1h0)
++++
Inverse Cramer says China's finished.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 02:28 PM (kBSKe)
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How could Cramer say that about the Chinese?!

Posted by: Axeman at August 18, 2023 02:31 PM (krQz2)

307 It's why Puerto Rico suffered so bad with the hurricanes, they'd ignored their electric grid until the hurricane made them pay attention, and the whole island lost power. Too little maintenance done far too late.
Posted by: LizLem

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Nuh-uh. Very smart people on CNN said it was due to Trump’s racism.

Posted by: Montec at August 18, 2023 02:31 PM (t/iaU)

308 . . . "The Hawaiian people are like children. Or like moths. They're like little baby moth-children; if they see light, they will instinctively allow their curiosity take over and will advance straight into the oncoming flames. Much like Pele, herself, Hawaii's soul-children will give themselves back to the land."
–NPR story, probably
Posted by: red speck at August 18, 2023

***
My reply:

"Children have no business voting."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere at August 18, 2023 02:31 PM (J2vNu)

309 17 We've started a list. Known Maui score so far:
Government officials don't tend to non-native grasses on their property.
Government employees arrive to put out a fire, don't put it out, leave.
Government officials don't sound alarm warning residents of emergency.
Government closes schools, abandons children without guardians to the wildfires
Government employees blockade road and prevent escape from fire.
Government shuts down 911
Government employee (official?) shuts off water to put out fire.
Anyone think of anything that needs to be added?
Posted by: Moron Robbie found the recovered remains of Hitler's cocaine filled flying submarine at August 18, 2023 01:46 PM (1cF3m)

Spouse told me the chief of police told underlings to NOT let cars through, so people died in their cars, waiting to get out of town.

Posted by: Question Authority bumper sticker at August 18, 2023 02:31 PM (Rbu5d)

310 The robust health of the frontier hobo is not to be doubted.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at August 18, 2023 02:32 PM (ppBhU)

311 You got to hand it to Haiti on there fire prevention efforts.
Posted by: Puddinhead

LOL

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at August 18, 2023 02:32 PM (kjOVp)

312 Where were fire stations? Where there pumper trucks, water wagons?

What emergency equipment, services are available in 'better' areas - where the billionaires, politicians & stars of the islands, of the state, vacation and reside?

Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemies at August 18, 2023 02:32 PM (GshMh)

313 Lol...an image on somebody's DU post regarding the Hawaii fires. I think it's important for all of us, too.
https://tinyurl.com/5z4rzxmd
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That crystal smells like my vagina!

Posted by: Gwyneth Paltrow at August 18, 2023 02:32 PM (sWM8x)

314 296 259 Lol...an image on somebody's DU post regarding the Hawaii fires. I think it's important for all of us, too.
https://tinyurl.com/5z4rzxmd
Posted by: Intercepted DU Transmissions brought by the Intrepid AoS Liaison at August 18, 2023 02:21 PM (JCZqz)

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Better or worse than thoughts and prayers?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for more with John Huston at August 18, 2023 02:28 PM (LvTSG)

Better. At least this is specific. Your thoughts and prayers could literally be anything.

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at August 18, 2023 02:32 PM (KbCG3)

315 Red hot nood!

Posted by: Inogame at August 18, 2023 02:33 PM (53oGX)

316 All set for my next assignment, sirs...

Posted by: John Pelletier, Maui Police Chief, Las Vegas Incident Commander at August 18, 2023 02:33 PM (bt2PN)

317 122 I actually think his reasoning in fair. If a siren would have sent people into the flames, or he at least had a suspicion that would happen it's a hard call. What is incompetent and worth firing over is the fact it seems there was no plan for wildfire evacuations at all. Your job as director is to plan for all possible emergencies and situations. Your not Tsunami Man, your the EMD.
Posted by: Marcus T at August 18, 2023 02:01 PM (nCaYE)

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Yes, that is the heart of the problem IMO.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 18, 2023 02:33 PM (cMXNt)

318 This busty brunette/dirty blonde is fairly horrified that so many people are dead thanks to rank incompetence:
https://is.gd/rPyrVQ
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 02:14 PM (kBSKe)

That "tired but come hither anyway" look is very intriguing. Strong thighs, elbows are nice and sharp, but that little mole at her waistline is totally off-putting. Hard pass.

Posted by: Dude who's seen too much pron, but has never actually had relations at August 18, 2023 02:33 PM (lg881)

319 Have friends over there. Locals who work in the coroner's office and FD. Over 500 dead.

Posted by: exliberal at August 18, 2023 02:34 PM (+LZfx)

320 Moral of this story: Never Get Out of the Boat.

Posted by: Puddinhead at August 18, 2023 02:34 PM (nfrVj)

321 Because they kill you!
You can't give shit leftists an inch. If you give them an inch, they will use it to destroy you...For the first time ever, leftists are cornered.
#based

And the interviewer looked on in horror. Given that he is doing well in public elections, something tells me they're not going to let this guy live.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at August 18, 2023 02:26 PM

I'll smoke what he's smoking!

Posted by: Hunter Biden at August 18, 2023 02:34 PM (JCZqz)

322 Looks like she's all dressed up to go to Herman Andaya's necktie party.

heh

Posted by: Notorious BFD at August 18, 2023 02:34 PM (Xrfse)

323 They could man a tower 24/7 and if anything that looks dangerous is coming like a tsunami, or a fire, or a volcano, or Japanese Zeros, an alarm could be sounded. Lives could be saved.

Posted by: torabora at August 18, 2023 02:34 PM (OUiUM)

324 Radios?!

I seem to recall a device with a screen that nearly everyone owns that you can send actual messages to and also makes a noise that let's everyone know there is some issue and read the message.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 18, 2023 02:35 PM (cMXNt)

325 Government blocks supplies and relief efforts.
to the list.
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In 1983, Hurricane Eva hit Oahu, and knocked out most of the power on the island. My dad was stationed at Pearl Harbor at the time, and the military helped get power restored and helped with the cleanup and providing comms and supplies.

In 1992, Hurricane Iva devastated Kauai, and the military again helped with setting up comms there, as well as helping the people there. Hubby at the time was a part of that assistance.

Now, no military help for the people of Lahaina, beyond NGs manning roadblocks into Lahaina.

Just very odd, and sus to me.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2023 02:35 PM (tWHhZ)

326 could man a tower 24/7 and if anything that looks dangerous is coming like a tsunami, or a fire, or a volcano, or Japanese Zeros, an alarm could be sounded. Lives could be saved

—

By the time a tsunami is visible from a tower it’s too late.

Posted by: Montec at August 18, 2023 02:36 PM (t/iaU)

327 Ogg's reach exceeds Ogg's grasp.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at August 18, 2023 02:36 PM (44ww/)

328 A high C for the mountains and a sharp F for the sea.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at August 18, 2023 02:36 PM (cMXNt)

329 Have friends over there. Locals who work in the coroner's office and FD. Over 500 dead.
___

Many of them keikis (children).

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2023 02:37 PM (tWHhZ)

330 Why do I suspect this whole thing is a land grab by the government... for either themselves or their friends?

Posted by: Danimal28 at August 18, 2023 02:37 PM (klw0w)

331 Hurricane Iniki hit in 1992.

Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2023 02:37 PM (tWHhZ)

332 Haiti cut down all the trees.

Posted by: torabora at August 18, 2023 02:37 PM (OUiUM)

333 Is there a Tropical Island, anywhere, that has a competent Government?
Posted by: garrett at August 18, 2023 01:47 PM (6ox+6)

The canary islands are having wild fires now too. They are handling them competently. I don't think anyone has died on tenerife and there's over a million people there.

Posted by: Mishdog at August 18, 2023 02:38 PM (YXEoM)

334 Biden would only be even minimally concerned about any disaster in Hawaii if the population was at least 30% black and not more than 5% combined Polynesian, Chinese, and Japanese. I think he's only going to Maui because DOCTOR Jill wants to go shopping on Oahu before or after the token Maui visit. Many tropical-pattern furniture fabric dresses to be had.

Posted by: Gref at August 18, 2023 02:39 PM (AMIL/)

335 It would be icing on the cake if the volcano on Maui suddenly erupted.

Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 18, 2023 02:39 PM (BdMk6)

336 A high C for the mountains and a sharp F for the sea.

Posted by: MAGA_Ken

Other way around, kemosloppy.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 18, 2023 02:40 PM (IG4Id)

337 Just very odd, and sus to me.
Posted by: SMH

Ditto. And I was a picture yesterday of Oprahs house, untouched. But who knows what is actually true?

Posted by: Infidel at August 18, 2023 02:41 PM (n2500)

338 There are several videos claiming to be the "Start of the fires", with residents dragging garden hoses to attempt to combat small fires...in ALL of them there are fire hydrants prominently visible in the videos. In some of the videos fire depts and local construction companies private tank trucks are shown spraying...but NOT connected to the hydrants. In one case there are several videos from throughout the day..initial downed powerline and small blaze, fire dept arrival/response "Declared fire out by 9am, departed scene...3pm fire has restarted and is out of control.

Posted by: birddog at August 18, 2023 02:41 PM (1E8/t)

339 Perfectly understandable. I know every time they activate the tidal wave emergency warning sirens here on the Puget Sound I immediately run to the top of Mount Saint Helens' and throw myself into the volcano and incinerate myself.

It's just a Pavlovian Response now.

Posted by: HR Dept Dibersity Hire at August 18, 2023 02:41 PM (MIu4T)

340 was=saw

Posted by: Infidel at August 18, 2023 02:41 PM (n2500)

341 Perfectly understandable. I know every time they activate the tidal wave emergency warning sirens here on the Puget Sound I immediately run to the top of Mount Saint Helens' and throw myself into the volcano and incinerate myself.

It's just a Pavlovian Response now.
Posted by: HR Dept Dibersity Hire at August 18, 2023 02:41 PM (MIu4T)

ROTFL

Posted by: Dr. Fausti - I AM The Science at August 18, 2023 02:42 PM (lg881)

342
Joe and Jill better think twice about visiting the site if there are any parents with dead children around. Could get ugly all around.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at August 18, 2023 02:43 PM (enJYY)

343 Living in So Cal where wildfires are common, I have found the best place to look is the USGS fire maps from satellites. Local government sites can have some use saying where areas have been called to evacuate. Twitter used to be good for local people aggregating these fire department messages and updating maps. Worst of all were TV and Newspapers who updated rarely, published scary pictures at long intervals, and gave no information that was useful.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 18, 2023 02:44 PM (eoQWY)

344 They shouldn't resign. They should be brought in front of a grand jury, indicted, tried, found guilty and thrown in a volcano for the murders they've committed.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at August 18, 2023 01:42 PM (Zz0t1)

Resignation doesn't shield them from any of that.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 18, 2023 02:45 PM (eoQWY)

345 People are not stupid. They go outside and smell the fire. They look into the mountains, because the ocean is the last place you would look if you smelled fire. During Pearl Harbor, they heard the explosions first, then they looked at where they came from.
Again, people are not stupid. It is far past time Democrats stop assuming everybody is as dumb as they are.

Posted by: william ferrin at August 18, 2023 02:49 PM (LbEMr)

346 As President Biden would say, "I may be Democrat, but I am not stupid."

Posted by: william ferrin at August 18, 2023 02:50 PM (LbEMr)

347 "Safest place to be? Already burnt ground. Ground in a wildfire doesn't burn a second time."

But only if you have the life saving skill I'm nicknamed for.

Posted by: Hopping quickly from 1 foot to the other at August 18, 2023 02:55 PM (cCxiu)

348 Evergrande was once China’s largest property developer and its rise was a symbol of how important the indebted real estate sector had become to China’s economy. Some estimates say the sector accounts for 30 percent of China’s gross domestic product.
Posted by: SMOD at August 18, 2023 02:01 PM (RHGPo)

It is generally this and the last generation's retirement plan, since the one child policy makes the 'move in with the grandkids' impossible. This is likely to be a huge problem for the government who don't have anything planned for the rapidly aging population.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 18, 2023 02:57 PM (eoQWY)

349
If only there was a secondary source of firefighting water.
Posted by: torabora at August 18, 2023 02:15 PM (OUiUM)

Something large. Like on the order of the Pacific Ocean.

If only those damned Republicans had the foresight to build it...

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 18, 2023 02:59 PM (n+4am)

350 I'm guessing he was forced to resign because of the "going mauka" remark rather than because of hundreds of dead persons.

Posted by: Bud Norton at August 18, 2023 03:01 PM (6cOMd)

351 It would be icing on the cake if the volcano on Maui suddenly erupted.
Posted by: Dr. Pork Chops & Bacons at August 18, 2023 02:39 PM (BdMk6)

Not my subject but I believe each island is created as the plate moves over a single "hotspot" and that spot is now under the big island. The Maui volcanoes should be dormant. So as you go up the chain of islands the land gets older and more eroded to nothingness.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 18, 2023 03:02 PM (eoQWY)

352 The Guardian, Dec 2021, Mark Zuckerberg adds 110 acres to controversial 1,500-acre Hawaii estate.

Candid, 2/14/22 Chan Zuckerberg Initiative invests $44 million in climate technology

Mark Zuckerberg, who donated nearly half a billion dollars to election offices across the nation in 2020 and drew criticism from conservatives suspicious of his influence on the presidential election, won't be making additional grants this year, a spokesman for the Facebook founder confirmed on Tuesday. NYT, Apr 12, 2022

Not to just point out Zuckerberg, there are many ultra wealthy who have influence in any state in which they reside.

Posted by: L - Practice makes perfect. They know their enemies at August 18, 2023 03:02 PM (GshMh)

353 In 1983, Hurricane Eva hit Oahu, and knocked out most of the power on the island. My dad was stationed at Pearl Harbor at the time, and the military helped get power restored and helped with the cleanup and providing comms and supplies.

In 1992, Hurricane Iva devastated Kauai, and the military again helped with setting up comms there, as well as helping the people there. Hubby at the time was a part of that assistance.

Now, no military help for the people of Lahaina, beyond NGs manning roadblocks into Lahaina.

Just very odd, and sus to me.
Posted by: SMH at what's coming at August 18, 2023 02:35 PM (tWHhZ)

Before WWII there was a disaster in a Port city in Oregon, probably Portland and they had an aircraft carrier sail up there and replace the entire power net with its drive turbines. I've heard they did the same once in Korea with a US Destroyer when power was needed.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 18, 2023 03:05 PM (eoQWY)

354 Joe and Jill better think twice about visiting the site if there are any parents with dead children around. Could get ugly all around.
Posted by: Divide by Zero

I don't think Joe telling a grieving parent whose child was just incinerated that he and Jill know exactly how they feel as they lost a son who came home from Iraq in a flag draped coffin will go over well.

Posted by: Cheri at August 18, 2023 03:08 PM (oiNtH)

355 Just very odd, and sus to me.
Posted by: SMH

Ditto. And I was a picture yesterday of Oprahs house, untouched. But who knows what is actually true?
Posted by: Infidel at August 18, 2023 02:41 PM (n2500)

To be fair without other into, her groundskeepers might have cut away brush and crap grass from her land because it was ugly and she certainly cares nothing for global warming or any of that crap when her ox is being gored.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 18, 2023 03:08 PM (eoQWY)

356 Creepy Pervy Joe could have asked the one guy he knows that is from Hawaii to go there to reassure the public - his puppet master.
But, Obama actually hates Hawaii.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 18, 2023 03:08 PM (VoO2m)

357 Creepy Pervy Joe could have asked the one guy he knows that is from Hawaii to go there to reassure the public - his puppet master.
But, Obama actually hates Hawaii.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 18, 2023 03:08 PM (VoO2m)

What, and miss the chance to invent a Hawaiian cartoon character like Corn Pop and outrage everyone?

Posted by: Oldcat at August 18, 2023 03:10 PM (eoQWY)

358 I give the guy a break - tsunami alarm is for telling people to take a specific path away from the short.

Like setting off a tornado siren when there is a fire, for those short of the concept.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at August 18, 2023 03:13 PM (VoO2m)

359 But, Obama actually hates Hawaii.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher

He suffered so much racism from the haoles while at Punahou! Which was a big lie among all of his other big lies.

Posted by: Cheri at August 18, 2023 03:16 PM (oiNtH)

360 "No word yet on whether the director of their water management system, who did not release water to reservoirs and did not make that water available to firefighters, will resign or if he will continue insisting that water should not be "used" but simply "revered.""

Talk about taking the stupid of natives to the next level down. This man is going to need a bigger drill to get deeper.

Posted by: astonerii at August 18, 2023 03:31 PM (B9VxK)

361 "I thought Hawaii got plenty of rain, to supply plenty of fresh water. Maybe they get more on the leeward (?) side of the mountains?"

Windward sides get all the rain, as the prevailing wind rises it cools, drops moisture out...Leeward sides are all arid, dry and hot. ALL of the islands are in prevailing trade winds, all have the same pattern. Many stories have blamed the winds on a Hurricane...that was 600 MILES away, northern most winds associated with Dora were a mere 35mph, and were 300 miles away. The 45-65mph winds effecting Maui were/are Trade Winds, common, standard, near constant. Slightly elevated above "normal/average", but still common conditions. Part of the problems were because Helos CANNOT fly well in hot dry winds, particularly those also in a convoluted, random, down draft pattern on the leeward side of the ridges, it was unsafe for ANY type of aircraft. It was also unsafe for ANY type of common marine vessel. "Small Craft warnings+" conditions. The harbor there is tiny to begin with...very tight, close, surrounded by a sea wall...but with breaking waves everywhere except a narrow channel...that also has breaking waves across it at some stages of wind/tide.

Posted by: birddog at August 18, 2023 03:34 PM (1E8/t)

362 No more than 20 or so moorings available on the outside, anchoring forbidden because of coral damage risks...for most boaters/sailors, if you want to visit Maui you leave your boat elsewhere and ferry/fly there. Lahaina is a "Day trip" spot for tourists staying northwest of there in Kapalua and ka'anapali. It is a "Fly in" island, nearly all housing is in tiny pockets along the coast...just getting to Hana on the east end is a 55mile drive along a tiny coastal road...with nearly NOTHING along the way.

Posted by: birddog at August 18, 2023 03:43 PM (1E8/t)

363 At least Mr. Andaya did the right thing and resigned. His excuse is at least slightly plausible as well. But only slightly.

Posted by: Angzarr the Cromulent at August 18, 2023 05:23 PM (XMwZJ)

364 The Eco-Freaks refused to allow any water released they worry about the Fish but not the People typical Eco-Freaks

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at August 18, 2023 05:25 PM (wGqjj)

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Maui's Emergency Management Director Refused to Activate the Warning Sirens To Alert People During the Wildfires;That Administrator Now Resigns

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Maui's Emergency Management Director Refused to Activate the Warning Sirens To Alert People During the Wildfires;
That Administrator Now Resigns