Gun Thread: End of March Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Well I made it down to WeaselAcres for a a couple of days renewing my roots on the land. I didn't do any shooting this time, but you may recall last summer the sickle bar mower broke for no reason while I was trying to cut down a tree with it. Evidently, a sickle bar mower is designed to cut grass and not trees so this weekend I disassembled the bar and drive mechanism for inspection in an attempt to figure out what is wrong with it. Suffice it to say I need to order some parts.

2023 NoVAMoMe stuff is still down below (no new updates this week).

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

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Farm-O Update-O
Apparantly I now have a goat at the farm. I didn't realize stray goats are a thing but this little guy has taken up residence under my camper, so it looks like I'll need to get some goat chow. One of his hooves is a little overgrown, so I'm going to make some calls and see if I can get someone to look at it. WeaselGoat's name you ask? John C. Garand.

John the Goat

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F-Class Shooting and Scoring - a Primer
As promised last week here is a little primer on F-Class shooting and scoring which might help you appreciate the amazing results from the 2023 South African Nationals and F-Class World Championships currently being held in Bloemfontein, South Africa.

There are two styles or classes of F-Class shooting. F-Open and F-T/R. The differences are allowable rifle weight and calibers, as well as the mechanism supporting the front of the rifle. Open class rifles can be slightly heavier, are usually firing a 6.0 to 7.0mm cartridge and use a mechanical front rest. F-T/R rifles are lighter, usually .308 Win caliber (.223 Rem is allowable but few use it), and use a bipod as a front rest. Both are fired on the same targets, and really boil down to shooter preference. For example, I was an F-Open shooter but coached an F-T/R team. For various reasons, most shooters typically choose one style and stick with it for the duration of their shooting careers due to the specialized gear required for each. A good overview of F-Class shooting can be found in this article originally published in Guns & Ammo in October 2007.

ICFRA F-Class Long Range Target

International F-Class shooting is governed by the International Confederation of Fullbore Rifle Associations (ICFRA), and the targets used vary somewhat from the standard F-Class targets used in the United States. The center is a "V" rather than an "X", and the outer rings are scored 5, 4, 3, 2 rather than 10, 9, 8, 7. The size of the rings are the same at 5", 10", 20", 32" and 44", respectively. Long range matches are fired at 700m, 800m and 900m on the same style target for each, with 15 rounds plus two convertible sighters for score. A convertible sighter simply means the first two sighting rounds can be converted for score at the shooter's discretion. Shots in the 'V' or 'X' ring are tallied separately, receiving the highest score (5pts or 10pts) and the V or X count is used to break ties. This differs from U.S. matches in that 20 rounds are fired for score. With me so far?

So in an international match, such as those being held now in South Africa, a perfect score would be 75-15V (15x5 plus the V count) where a shooter placed all 15 rounds in the V ring, and would beat a score of 75-14V where a shooter had one shot outside the V ring but still inside or touching the 5 ring. Remember, there are usually three matches per day beginning at 700m (766 yd.), then moving back to 800m (875 yd.) and ending the day at 900m (984 yd.). Thus, a perfect day's shooting for all three matches would be 225-45V.

The South African Nationals started on the 21st, with many shooters using it as a warmup and practice for the World Championships beginning on Monday the 27th. So let's look at the scores for a sample match, Day 1 Match 3 of the SA Nationals, The Dalrymple Cup at 900 meters.

F-Open Results
Link to full SA Nationals Match 3 F-OPEN results

F-T/R Results
Link to full SA Nationals Match 3 F-T/R results

As you can see for this match, the winner in F-Open, M. Chui, shot a 75-12V.That means he was in the 10" 5 ring for 3 rounds and inside the 5-inch V ring for the remaining 12 shots. Not bad at 900m. You'll notice the guy in 2nd Place (a.k.a. first loser) did the same thing (the order of V counts can further break ties). As a matter of fact, each of the first twenty-eight shooters did not drop a point and are separated only by V count. Note to NZFrank - do you know Mr. M. Chui? If so, please offer him my congratulations!

Now let's look at F-T/R for the same match. The winner in F-T/R, J.D. Cilliers, fired a 75-9V. That's six rounds in the 10" 5 ring and nine rounds in the 5" V ring. It's not uncommon for F-T/R scores to be slightly lower when compared to F-Open due to the differences in the front rifle support mechanism, among other factors.

A bunch of my shooting buddies are there competing in both classes and shooting very respectable scores, while others aren't shooting the SA Nationals and are waiting for the World Championships to begin. To say the level of performance in competitive F-Class shooting is high is probably the understatement of the year. Let me just sum it up by saying a 5" circle at 900 meters is a very small target, and to make that shot 12 out of 15 tries is pretty amazing. The skill required to be competitive requires discipline, years of preparation, practice and the execution of every shot flawlessly. Next time you're shooting for groups, think about that. Diligent practice and application of good solid fundamentals can be rewarded with amazing results, and every single one of these guys and gals was a new shooter at some point. All it takes is a bunch of practice and dedication!

If you're interested in following along next week, here is a link to the 2023 F-Class World Championships Results page. As the Worlds get going, you're likely to see some fierce competition and remarkable feats of marksmanship.

GO USA!!!

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Guns of the Horde
First up, our pal MkY shares a range report of his trip with an air rifle.

I'd written you earlier about my new-found trouble with springer break-over air rifles. I solved it by going with a PCP rifle (Pre-Charged Pneumatic). I bought the Benjamin Marauder, in .22, and a 4500# scuba tank to refill it. Maybe $1100 total? Local dive shop charges $12.50 to refill the scuba tank

This gun has now had 600 shots through it, and it seems to be consistent from 2800# to about 2000#. I expect the KE would be down at the lower end, naturally, so maybe not the hunting range of pressure. I had to re-sight it this morning. Rough handling is my guess; grandkids, employees, anyone who wants to shoot it gets to. I sighted it in at 30 yards. Previously I found it drops precisely 1 3/4 inches at 50 yards.

These are the targets at 20 yards. 10 shots each. Slightly low at 20. Not a worry for squirrels or brown-headed cowbirds.
I diagnosed my own flyers. Seems I have a tendency to slightly move the rifle to see where I hit. Good follow-through will solve this. Technique is technique, whether shooting a 7mm mag or a PCP in .22. Absolutely quiet. Sound hitting the target is louder than the discharge. No recoil.

Very nice shooting, MkY! And you're right, all of the same fundamentals of basic marksmanship are required, regardless of the caliber, which makes this a very cost-effective training tool. Nice shooting!

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Next, our pal Coelacanth shares a family heirloom!

Just above the grip is a very small crown stamp

My father-in-law wanted me to have this. It's an Enfield Model 2 Mark 1. He traded for it and its mate while running an artillery battalion in Vietnam. He said they were sequential serial numbers, and that one was right twist, the other left twist. He shipped them home at the end of his tour, and his bag was opened, and one was missing. It's a top break with a DA only trigger and is still very tight. He'd shot it rarely and it is spotless.

Very nice, Coelacanth! Thank you for sharing it with us!

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Range Reports
Next up we have a range report from our pal Washington Nearsider.

After meeting up with the NoVa Moron Gun Club last Sunday, I was uber motivated to get my rifles out and turn money into noise at CF Phelps Sighting-in Range.
I took my battle rifle (Larue Predator in 5.56), my battle rifle trainer (S&W M&P 15-22), and my precision .22lr (Ruger Precision rifle) with the purpose of confirming/zeroing my optics before CF Phelps closes for the season on March 31.

Larue Predator

S&W MP 15-22

Ruger Precision Rifle .22LR

When I got there, I immediately realized I'd left all my 5.56 magazines at home. It was raining pretty good, and I didn't have the ammunition to zero the red dot (Vortex Crossfire) I just put on the weapon, so I gave very, very serious thought to just packing it up and going home. But then I remembered that Osama fought in the rain, and one may not get to choose prime weather conditions when shooting for real, so I settled in to zero my 15-22 at 25m.
I quickly accomplished this, but .22 is cheap and fun to shoot, and I was there by myself, so I happily shot away for a while before switching over to the RPR.
I zeroed my optic (Vortex Diamondback 6-24x50), and then, as an experiment, used that zero to shoot at 50m and 100m. What I learned was more shocking than I should admit on this Smart Military Blog, but I was surprised, so perhaps some other shooters can use the gouge I picked up.
Shooting Eley Benchrest Precision rounds, I had a dead-nuts zero at 25m (5 rounds through one hole), so I expected I would hit low at 50m and 100m. This was NOT the case. At 50m, I was .75" above my zero, while at 100m, I was almost exactly 5.00 inches below. It took me a good minute of thought before I realized that at 25m, my rounds hadn't yet reached apogee*, or the top of their arc. Typically, sights and optics are arranged in such a way that the bullet leaves the weapon on a slight upward angle which forces it to climb before it peaks and then begins falling as gravity works on it. That means your round will intersect your zero at two different points - on the way up, and on the way down. This is not news to the seasoned shooters here, but for me it was revelatory. I noticed A Thing and was able to work out the why of it on my own.
Once I solved The Mystery, and had built myself a dope calculus, I began trying to use my optic to its maximum potential by engaging random targets (rocks and such) at unknown distances. The Diamondback is a First Focal Plane scope which means the reticle gets bigger as you zoom in. That means that if your round impacts -1.5 MRAD below your zero at 1x magnification, it will also impact at -1.5MRAD at 24x magnification. This is handy once you know where your round impacts at different distances

1x Magnification

15x Magnification

I was successfully able to engage various rocks from the near side of the range all the way to the backstop berm up at about 140m using the Swiss marksmanship theory, or 4th Generation Sniping. This theory basically holds that most human beings are actively trying NOT to be shot, so one doesn't typically have long periods of time in which to set up a one-shot, one-kill scenario. Instead, the Swiss view quick hits with more rounds expended as superior to a perfect single shot that took more than a minute to set up. The idea is to place effective fire on the target as quickly as possible vice putting a round through the target's left eye. You may never get to even take the shot if the target doesn't acquiesce to being still and exposed for as long as it takes you to acquire, dial, and engage him.
They use a 25m zero, which is also a zero at 300m using 5.56. If the target is close, they aim at the belt. If the target is far, they aim at the neck. Near is defined as being able to pick out clothing details or hair color with the Mk 1 eyeball.
It works for me, and as I don't intend to shoot competitively, effective fire is my actual goal.
The rain never quit, but I had a fantastic time. I learned something significant (for me) re: ballistics and was able to apply that lesson to engaging actual targets at unknown distances.
I'm going to go again next Friday so I can zero my battle rifle, and I'll keep my apogee lesson in my back pocket.

Great report, Washington Nearsider, thank you!

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*For the ballistics nerds out there, the top of a projectile's arc in flight is also called the Maximum (or Max) Ordinate and also sometimes Vertex Height.

If you're interested in learning more, here's an article on various characteristics of Point Blank Zero and Ballistic Arc.

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Speaking of John C. Garand (the actual guy, not the new WA goat) here's an interesting video.

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There were lots of favorable comments on the GunBlue490 video last week on inspecting revolvers. Here's another video, from a different guy, on pre-purchase inspection of S&W revolvers.

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Learning about the Telephone

Q: Weasel, can we have a video on learning about the telephone?
A. Yes.

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NoVAMoMe 2023

Not so fast on the gun stuff, buckaroos! We have a little bit more on the NoVAMoMe to discuss. In fact, this will be the first of a long and seemingly endless series of reminders to get yo' big butt off the couch and come out and meet some of your online friends. Let's kick things off with a few NoVAMoMe FAQ.

Q: Is it fun?
A: Yes. Just ask anyone who has been to one. You will have fun, or else.

Q: When is it again? Did you say June?
A: Yes. A thousand times yes! June 10th, from 1pm til 6pm or so.

Q: I'm sort of a dork. Can I just slink-in, watch for a bit and then slink out without having to actually speak with anyone?
A: Yes. In fact, we have strategically placed large potted ferns for lurkers to hide behind.

Q: Will bluebell be there? I really want to meet bluebell.
A: Of course! Well, assuming things go well at the parole hearing.

Q: Is there food and drink?
A: Yes! $30 for a bigly buffet, and a cash bar. We had to bump up the food price a bit to cover costs this year.

Q: Can I make references, even veiled references to the secret MoMe location on the blog?
A: NO! Seriously, please don't.

Q: Sounds great, Weasel! How do I sign up?
A: We will again have an online page with registration and payment specifics, however, it's not yet live as we're still working out a few of the details. Keep an eye out here on the ol' Gun Thread or the main page sidebar for more info in the coming weeks.

OK, I'm talking to YOU Mr. or Ms. I'll Go Next Time. Guess what? The next time is here. It's a really fun event and we would love to have you join us. Hopefully some NoVAMoMe veterans will speak up in the comments and encourage the introverts to stop being big baby chickens and make this the year to come out of the shadows!

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Musical Interlude
Here are the Doobie Brothers and Long Train Running

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Gun Basics 101
New video from the She Equips Herself gal! This week's video is on handgun cleaning.

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Cigar of the Week

I took a chance a few weeks ago and ordered a couple boxes of Corrida Nicaragua Robusto cigars from Cigar One and to borrow a phrase, Holy Shitba... er, Holy Smokes!

Here is a brief write-up from Cigar Afficionado and here is the Corrida website. Very well constructed and they come in profiles from mild to el strongo. Cigar One has boxes of 20 on sale right now for $132 + shipping, or about $7 each. Honestly, I'd pay twice that. They're really that bueno!

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Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar.

Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com

A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid

Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!

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Ammo Link-O-Rama
I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop
American Elite Ammo

***Mail Bag***

This week's mailbag entry is from our pal Just Call Me Roger. Funbags in the Mailbag!!

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Weasel at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 Howdy all

Posted by: Skip at March 26, 2023 07:00 PM (xhxe8)

2 Good afternoon, everyone.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at March 26, 2023 07:00 PM (2YtOq)

3 Gubs!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 26, 2023 07:01 PM (Wnv9h)

4 Bang?

Posted by: RI Red at March 26, 2023 07:02 PM (X2n1b)

5 Top 10!

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at March 26, 2023 07:02 PM (Eeb9P)

6 Goat cheese...WeaselGoat...I'm sensing a pattern here...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 26, 2023 07:02 PM (Wnv9h)

7 Evening all!

Kinda late, going to read the content.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 07:04 PM (fe7in)

8 Weasel somehow I watched a horse being showed and since then seen horses and cows with all kinds of hoof issues, John may just need a clipping though objects can fet impeded in hoofs

Posted by: Skip at March 26, 2023 07:05 PM (xhxe8)

9 so a friend of mine is using a .410 to defend his chickens from foxes and coyotes....

I am pondering gifting him some Winchester Super X #4 shot....

anyone have any opinions on the matter?

Posted by: sven at March 26, 2023 07:05 PM (Lzpvj)

10 Goat cheese...WeaselGoat...I'm sensing a pattern here...
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 26, 2023 07:02 PM (Wnv9h)
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You aren't making cheese out of MY goat!

Posted by: weasel at March 26, 2023 07:05 PM (RG6z4)

11 A funny satirical Twatter thread on banning the AR-15, weapon of war.

https://tinyurl.com/2ca6k2b4

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at March 26, 2023 07:05 PM (Vwz3I)

12 .40 smith and wesson...

10mm pretending to be something else.

Posted by: sven at March 26, 2023 07:06 PM (Lzpvj)

13 You aren't making cheese out of MY goat!
Posted by: weasel at March 26, 2023 07:05 PM

Well...John...yeah. Ain't milkin' that.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 26, 2023 07:06 PM (Wnv9h)

14 WeaselG.O.A.T. (Weasel Greatest of all Time)

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at March 26, 2023 07:07 PM (2YtOq)

15 I'll volunteer as a target. Paint my face in target rings and sit on a lawn chair 700 yards downrange. Even better than a watermelon.

Posted by: Never the hero, forever the goat at March 26, 2023 07:07 PM (elMkS)

16 11 Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at March 26, 2023 07:05 PM (Vwz3I)

Nice thread, I think the problem is they have gone fully automatic retard. Essentially if they get their way through arguing over the unique destructive ability of the .223 round all weapons will be banned within a decade. Fudd's now have to grasp that there will never be a "this far and no further" with these clowns.

Posted by: sven at March 26, 2023 07:08 PM (Lzpvj)

17 Hello, Weasel and Horde! Can't stay again tonight. I have an early wake up call tomorrow morning and taxes still need work.

Posted by: Ed L at March 26, 2023 07:08 PM (yRXSd)

18 15 Posted by: Never the hero, forever the goat at March 26, 2023 07:07 PM (elMkS)

You are wanting shot with .223 or a .410?

Posted by: sven at March 26, 2023 07:08 PM (Lzpvj)

19 Since one of the first buzzwords is fullbore...

Q1: Fullbore and Overbore, is there a technical definition or are all overbore cartridges barrel burners?

Q2: Is there an "underbore"?

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 26, 2023 07:09 PM (lsQfu)

20 I'm in the gun thread!!

Thanks, Weasel!

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 26, 2023 07:09 PM (/nCD+)

21 Present. Thanks, Weasel.

Posted by: Chappyman66 at March 26, 2023 07:10 PM (L3byd)

22 19 Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 26, 2023 07:09 PM (lsQfu)

Full bore means in derpese "high caliber."

overbore on the other hand represents using a full bore cartridge with a narrower or lighter round.

underbore is the inverse a full sized case with a small but heavy round.

Posted by: sven at March 26, 2023 07:12 PM (Lzpvj)

23 Found a box of .32 S&W RLN today for Mrs.E's old topbreaks. Yay.

Posted by: Eromero at March 26, 2023 07:13 PM (MF3yS)

24 Wow oh Wow oh Wow!!
This thread is content rich!

Loved the air rifle shooting. And with my tanks I could shoot for weeks. ;-)
Nice write up Washington Nearsider, hope the sighting in of the battle rifle goes well.

And Thank Heavens I never went .40S&W!! LOL

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 07:15 PM (fe7in)

25 Is it difficult to aim an air rifle while wearing a scuba-tank on your back??

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at March 26, 2023 07:16 PM (Vwz3I)

26 So in an international match, such as those being held now in South Africa, a perfect score would be 75-15V (15x5 plus the V count) where a shooter placed all 15 rounds in the V ring

That's not so hard. I can easily shoot that with my 1911 at 25 yards!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 26, 2023 07:17 PM (XIJ/X)

27 25 Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at March 26, 2023 07:16 PM (Vwz3I)

Depends on whether you are underwater....

Posted by: sven at March 26, 2023 07:17 PM (Lzpvj)

28 Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 26, 2023 07:09 PM (/nCD+)
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Fame, fortune, and range babes are headed your way! Thanks for the range report!

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 07:18 PM (RG6z4)

29 Range report: so, yesterday was supposed to be redemption day for me and my beloved K-31. I shot a match with it two years ago, and, managed to embarrass myself completely, and worse, my rifle.

To recap, this match is a timed match, 13 rounds, 3 minutes, steel, 200 to 750 yards.

I showed up the day before, shot two practice rounds, easily hitting steel out to 500 yards. (standard issue military iron sights)

Figuring I was ready, I showed up bright and early match day...and, only the club president and the guy running the match showed up. No matter, we shot anyway as it was a beautiful, yet cool, virtually no wind day.

And, I did redeem myself, to a certain extent, even though it was very casual, as I managed to pull in a hit at 600 yards, 1 for 2 at that range. Mind, at 600 yards, the steel is a dot and one has to find it using landmarks, when trying to see it with the naked eye. Great fun, even though no match was shot.

Side note: I shot both a morning and an afternoon practice. It never ceases to amaze me how much changing light conditions changes the sight picture.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at March 26, 2023 07:18 PM (2YtOq)

30 Fudd's now have to grasp that there will never be a "this far and no further" with these clowns.

- sven

This is always my default position, and I use it with almost everything the left wants.

"Is the is that thing you'll ever ask for on this topic? Once you get this, society can never again address this subject. Agreed?"

They never agree because they never stop. Never.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at March 26, 2023 07:19 PM (/nCD+)

31 Always amused at the derision directed to the 40 SW. Horses for courses - and what you train with. I wouldn't trade my HK VP40 for anything.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at March 26, 2023 07:19 PM (oWBc3)

32 Weasel, I think that WD and FSJ should be introduced to Mr. Horny Garand.

Posted by: RI Red at March 26, 2023 07:19 PM (X2n1b)

33 .40 smith and wesson...

10mm pretending to be something else.

Posted by: sven at March 26, 2023 07:06 PM (Lzpvj)

Tell that to my H&K USP in .40S&W.

Thousands of rounds without a single FTF.

That's why it's my bedside pistol.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 26, 2023 07:20 PM (XIJ/X)

34 Range Report: If you are in range don't mess with me or mine

Posted by: Hardware Hank at March 26, 2023 07:20 PM (z7fHM)

35 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 26, 2023 07:17 PM (XIJ/X)
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Have to be able to shoot at 25 yds if you want to get to 1000!

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 07:21 PM (RG6z4)

36 25 Is it difficult to aim an air rifle while wearing a scuba-tank on your back??

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at March 26, 2023 07:16 PM

Would be perfect if they put a pond on the range. Tanks strapped to the back. Breathing from one, shooting from the other. Only problem would be the recoil. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 07:21 PM (fe7in)

37 Great write up of the F Class match, by the way.

Thanks again, Weasel.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at March 26, 2023 07:21 PM (2YtOq)

38 The 9mm girl looks like a young Elizabeth Shue. Advantage 9mm.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 26, 2023 07:22 PM (u73oe)

39 28 Fame, fortune, and range babes are headed your way! Thanks for the range report!

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 07:18 PM

So far I am 0 for 3..................

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 07:22 PM (fe7in)

40 ...but you may recall last summer the sickle bar mower broke for no reason while I was trying to cut down a tree with it.

Hell. Everyone knows half the sickle bar mowers sold in 'Murica are made by commies! No wonder a fine 'Murican grown tree kicked it's ass!

Posted by: Diogenes at March 26, 2023 07:22 PM (anj39)

41 Would be perfect if they put a pond on the range. Tanks strapped to the back. Breathing from one, shooting from the other. Only problem would be the recoil. :-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 07:21 PM

Recoilless.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 26, 2023 07:23 PM (Wnv9h)

42 Have to be able to shoot at 25 yds if you want to get to 1000!
Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 07:21 PM (RG6z4)
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Indirect fire with a 1911? Might work with 230 grain hardball ammo.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at March 26, 2023 07:23 PM (2YtOq)

43 Posted by: RI Red at March 26, 2023 07:19 PM (X2n1b)
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That seems like a great idea!

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 07:23 PM (RG6z4)

44 Is it difficult to aim an air rifle while wearing a scuba-tank on your back??

The tank's not so bad but the mask keeps bumping the scope.

Posted by: Oddbob at March 26, 2023 07:25 PM (nfrXX)

45 33 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 26, 2023 07:20 PM (XIJ/X)

It's not a bad round, just superfluous with modern 9mm loads IMHO. I am old enough I remember when the FBI in their infinite wisdom demanded "the super duper turns my pistol into a rifle" round. Physics being physics most women and PLENTY of men couldn't hit sh*t with it because of how robust the recoil was.

Enter .40SW, and look at that time with the rise of 9mm+p+ a decade off it made sense.

I use 9mm because it is still Mil Standard for pistols, if I go above 9mm I will make the jump to .45acp or 10mm. 10mm finally hit its stride and I am fascinated as a theoretical exercise in a 16 inch 10mm carbine. Thing is my preferred bedside gun is a peacemaker and a winchester 97.

Posted by: sven at March 26, 2023 07:25 PM (Lzpvj)

46 Would be perfect if they put a pond on the range. Tanks strapped to the back. Breathing from one, shooting from the other.
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It would look cool though!

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at March 26, 2023 07:26 PM (Vwz3I)

47 Range report:

Put another 100 rounds through the Ronin. Still nary a single issue. It is such a great pistol!

Plus, I seem to shoot it pretty well, so it will be my carry most of the time. Now to find a holster.

I'm leaning towards using a soft holster and Velcro it into a cross body bag. The vest I have works well, but will be too warm for summer use. And a belly band will also be too warm.

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 26, 2023 07:26 PM (U2p+3)

48 Posted by: sven at March 26, 2023 07:12 PM (Lzpvj)

Thanks,
I thought that there would have been some sort of limit state where it became 'overbore' which is an odd nomenclature given the relatively smaller bore but same size cartridge.

Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 26, 2023 07:26 PM (lsQfu)

49 44 The tank's not so bad but the mask keeps bumping the scope.

Posted by: Oddbob at March 26, 2023 07:25 PM

If you are not going to go deep you could always wear swimmers goggles. :-)

You need a mask if you go deep.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 07:27 PM (fe7in)

50 Posted by: nurse ratched at March 26, 2023 07:26 PM (U2p+3)
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Feeling better?

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 07:27 PM (RG6z4)

51 "Is the is that thing you'll ever ask for on this topic? Once you get this, society can never again address this subject. Agreed?"

They never agree because they never stop. Never.

Or they just lie and say yes. And then are back for the next bite at the apple a week later.

Posted by: Oddbob at March 26, 2023 07:27 PM (nfrXX)

52 Mini Range Report - monthly Aspirin Shoot this morning. And yes, Scoobs, it would have been warm enough for you!
Placed third, but . . .
Kicked ass on aspirin at 50 - 8/10, and tums at 100 - 7/10.
Just OK on steel at 100 - 6/10
Ass kicked at 200 - 3/10. Could not read the wind since cross wind was blowing over frozen snow, no indicators. Should have held 2 MOA left.
So-so day shooting is better than most other things!

Posted by: RI Red at March 26, 2023 07:28 PM (X2n1b)

53 Thanks for the gub, Weasel. Long Train Running is one of my faves.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 26, 2023 07:28 PM (Xrfse)

54 How is the grudge match between Nurse and CBD coming along?
Have the events been agreed upon? Weapons, calibers and distances decided?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 07:29 PM (fe7in)

55 I'm going to the range tomorrow but not the gun range but the bow indoor range. The Japanese push shooting girl that was posted on a past thread got me itching to take my recurve out for a spin.

Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2023 07:29 PM (IhbYA)

56 If you are not going to go deep you could always wear swimmers goggles. :-)

You need a mask if you go deep.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 07:27 PM (fe7in)
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Okay, a guy pops up with a gun wearing swimming goggles, and his target about dies laughing at the site. The would be shooter is so nonplussed, he dies of embarrassment.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at March 26, 2023 07:29 PM (2YtOq)

57 Dang, RI Red, good job and it sounds a hoot!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at March 26, 2023 07:30 PM (2YtOq)

58 48 Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at March 26, 2023 07:26 PM (lsQfu)

reloading and firearms jargon is an odd mash of british and american lingo coupled with imperial, pre-imperial, and metric concepts.

You can make an argument that 7.92 Kurz, 7.62*39, and 5.56*45 are all "overbore" but I'd make the argument that given the classic wildcat loader usage 5.56 is the closest to it.

There is a seed of logic if not sense in the argument that .223/5.56 is deceptively lethal in common applications but the people making this assertion lack a practical appreciation or understanding of wound and ballistic physics.

Posted by: sven at March 26, 2023 07:30 PM (Lzpvj)

59 Have to be able to shoot at 25 yds if you want to get to 1000!
Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 07:21 PM (RG6z4)

This ought to be on a teeshirt.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 26, 2023 07:30 PM (anj39)

60 Weasel, I think that WD and FSJ should be introduced to Mr. Horny Garand.
Posted by: RI Red at March 26, 2023 07:19 PM (X2n1b)

I'm not so sure that's a good idea. Bailey the grouch dog loves messing with the neighbor's goat and will get in his face barking for literally hours. The goat rears up and goes for Bailey with front hooves and head butts. I don't think either has landed a punch (nip?) on the other, but they are both completely obnoxious.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at March 26, 2023 07:32 PM (PWe8a)

61 52 Posted by: RI Red at March 26, 2023 07:28 PM

A comfortable shooting temperature and snow does not go together. LOL

Yeah, the Frozen North is hard to get wind indicators. Now if you were down here we still have trees and bushes to help.

Yeah, I admit it, I am a Warm Weather Weenie. :-p

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 07:32 PM (fe7in)

62 Pat Simmons and Jon McFee in the same band is a hell of a guitarist's paradise.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 26, 2023 07:33 PM (Xrfse)

63 Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at March 26, 2023 07:32 PM (PWe8a)
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I'm pretty certain it's not a good idea.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 07:33 PM (RG6z4)

64 I've watched the air gun reality show competition on the Outdoor channel. The type of guns out there today are badass. I've not heard in person the sound a large caliber air gun makes. What's the decibels?

Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2023 07:33 PM (IhbYA)

65 64 Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2023 07:33 PM (IhbYA)

https://youtu.be/vTHMxQmqSWg

decibel test

Posted by: sven at March 26, 2023 07:34 PM (Lzpvj)

66 Date night with sra blaster. We are on the 100 yard range. Like literally right now.

Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2023 07:35 PM (wZY3B)

67 If you can't have CCR, then the Doobie Bros is a good second.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 26, 2023 07:35 PM (anj39)

68 https://youtu.be/g9wwkow-KuI

air gun moderators (suppressors)

You can take steps to reduce the sound from an air gun.

Posted by: sven at March 26, 2023 07:36 PM (Lzpvj)

69 66 Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2023 07:35 PM

Hey, isn't one of the safety rules do not post and shoot?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 07:37 PM (fe7in)

70 Posted by: sven at March 26, 2023 07:34 PM (Lzpvj)

Thanks

Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2023 07:38 PM (IhbYA)

71 Here's a fun little exercise. See if any of the teams in the Worlds post a score of 300-36V or greater at 700m.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 07:38 PM (RG6z4)

72 A convertible sighter simply means the first two sighting rounds can be converted for score at the shooter's discretion.

Does the shooter have to make a declaration that he wants to keep one or both sighters for score before he starts shooting for record? When I shot club-level XC, we didn't have scoring pits, just stand-up target frames. We would shoot 2 sighters, then 20 rounds for record, then walk down range and tally the best 20 of the (hopefully) 22 holes in the target. I imagine that serious matches are a tighter run thing.

Posted by: Oddbob at March 26, 2023 07:38 PM (nfrXX)

73 70 Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2023 07:38 PM (IhbYA)

My pleasure, my family is considering getting a Gamo or Umarex Hammer.

The hammer is a .50 cal rated to take deer.

Posted by: sven at March 26, 2023 07:39 PM (Lzpvj)

74 The state is about to ban evil ARs so I just bought my first lower. Will be working in the neighbor's shop. The next 6 months are going to be interesting.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 26, 2023 07:40 PM (anj39)

75 The goat rears up and goes for Bailey with front hooves and head butts. I don't think either has landed a punch (nip?) on the other, but they are both completely obnoxious.
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Does it look like this?
https://tinyurl.com/bdz7pst6

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at March 26, 2023 07:41 PM (Vwz3I)

76 Posted by: Oddbob at March 26, 2023 07:38 PM (nfrXX)
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Yes, you have to declare after the 2nd sighter.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 07:41 PM (rI9bo)

77 You need a mask if you go deep.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 07:27 PM

Is that what she said?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 26, 2023 07:41 PM (Wnv9h)

78 74 Posted by: Diogenes at March 26, 2023 07:40 PM (anj39)

It is literally the most popular rifle and round in America.

"Good luck democrats."

Posted by: sven at March 26, 2023 07:42 PM (Lzpvj)

79 I didn't know we were doing air guns!
Mine is a Crossman in .177
Single shot pump, 1-2 pumps per shot.
I used it for rodents until they wised up and moved elsewhere.
It barely makes a sound, just a phht.
Pretty wimpy compared to the one above, LOL!

Posted by: gourmand du jour at March 26, 2023 07:42 PM (jTmQV)

80 Feeling better?
Posted by: Weasel

Soooo much better! Thank you for asking. It was nice to be back on the range. It's therapeutic.

I finished my day with the Ruger Mark IV at 20 yards. So fun! Looking forward to being back in the woods with the Henry lever action. Plink. Plink. Plink. Grin!

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 26, 2023 07:44 PM (U2p+3)

81 Posted by: nurse ratched at March 26, 2023 07:44 PM (U2p+3
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Excellent!

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 07:45 PM (RG6z4)

82 Just please tell me you chopped down some pole pine, Weasel. Preferably with a gun, but axe or saw or thermonuclear device is OK with me. Stupid pollen.

Posted by: GWB at March 26, 2023 07:45 PM (NJ9MR)

83 77 Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 26, 2023 07:41 PM

Not taking the bait, this is a family friendly thread!! :-)

But I will tell you in June. ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 07:45 PM (fe7in)

84 But I will tell you in June. ;-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 07:45 PM

Booked for June!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 26, 2023 07:46 PM (Wnv9h)

85 Also, please tell me that F-Class symbol is the paths of several bullets aimed at the evil pollen-producing flower?

Posted by: GWB at March 26, 2023 07:47 PM (NJ9MR)

86 Posted by: GWB at March 26, 2023 07:45 PM (NJ9MR)
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Nah, the trees are my crop! I think the pine pollen peaks at my place in June.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 07:47 PM (RG6z4)

87 Airguns! For years I shot a Daisy 917 (multi pump pellet, rifled barrel). When I lived in SD, the neighbors had rabbits under their deck. I cleared out everything in my yard. Then I had to get sneaky because they didn't go very far from the deck. I would shoot from the kitchen window as long as no kids were in the yard.

When they tore off the deck and laid a patio, he said there were dozens of skeletons under there....

The Daisy was a good rifle.

Posted by: Chappyman66 at March 26, 2023 07:47 PM (L3byd)

88 Listen and understand. Those Democrats are out there. They can’t be bargained with. They can’t be reasoned with. They don’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until they’ve banned AR-15s!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 26, 2023 07:48 PM (u73oe)

89 Evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons. I was going to take Weasel to task for spoiling a perfectly good thread with that last photograph

until I saw the F-Class part of the post and realized that Weasel could reach out and touch me at any time of his choosing from a frickin' kilometer away. That cooled my enthusiasm with a quickness.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at March 26, 2023 07:48 PM (v23vE)

90 Guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at March 26, 2023 07:48 PM (xcxpd)

91 Evening, gub 'ettes and 'rons. I was going to take Weasel to task for spoiling a perfectly good thread with that last photograph until I saw the F-Class part of the post and realized that Weasel could reach out and touch me at any time of his choosing from a frickin' kilometer away. That cooled my enthusiasm with a quickness.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at March 26, 2023 07:48 PM

Reach out, reach out and touch someone!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at March 26, 2023 07:49 PM (Wnv9h)

92 Evenin' horde! Just for laughs, anybody try to buy a n AR pistol brace lately?

Posted by: Norman Spiny at March 26, 2023 07:50 PM (SfKr8)

93 Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at March 26, 2023 07:48 PM (v23vE)
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Ha!

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 07:50 PM (RG6z4)

94 Does it look like this?
https://tinyurl.com/bdz7pst6
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at March 26, 2023 07:41 PM (Vwz3I)

Not even close.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at March 26, 2023 07:50 PM (PWe8a)

95 The Max Ord diagram reminds me of a Fall of Shot registration for a howitzer.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 26, 2023 07:51 PM (anj39)

96 Could John the Goat be an aoudad sheep? They are popular on "exotic" game ranches and apparently they breed prolifically in the US climate.

Posted by: Oddbob at March 26, 2023 07:51 PM (nfrXX)

97 It's not uncommon for F-T/R scores to be slightly lower when compared to F-Open due to the differences in the front rifle support mechanism, among other factors.

Are you saying the shit's wobblier in the F-T/R camp?

Posted by: GWB at March 26, 2023 07:51 PM (NJ9MR)

98 Had a Gamo .177 break barrel, single cocking air gun. Nice little rifle, particularly suited for reducing the squirrel population.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 26, 2023 07:52 PM (Xrfse)

99 Howdy all! Read the content now going back to review comments. No range time lately, so I am quicky becoming unpracticed again. Sigh.
Thanks for your continuing efforts Weasel, and good luck with the farm implement repairs.

Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at March 26, 2023 07:52 PM (NF5L0)

100 @scoob she is shooting now.

And of course showing me up.

Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2023 07:52 PM (wZY3B)

101 As a newly-unemployed moron, I debated long about burning ammo but...I needed the stress relief.

The Nurse and Lazy Messenger were there as well to help make holes in paper.

I was piloting Bubby Fly the bubba-fied G17. I had a few times when the (admittedly dirty) pistol failed to snap into battery when releasing the slide stop lever. It needed a little baby tap to seat the slide. Racking the slide, did not see that issue. May need a new recoil spring? Assuming they are not illegal in WA now...

Performance of the G17 was excellent. I shoot this gun well, doing two one-hole drills and one Dot Torture drill. My only problem is a tendency to 'force' the break sometimes and pushing the shots low. But that's on me, not the gun. At 15 yards, the big dot from the SIG Romeo makes fine accuracy a little hard, but it's more than accurate enough to put shots where they need to be on a torso or head target.

Wound up the session with one handed drills with the G44, which I don't love but it's light, easy to use and..on hand.

It was welcome stress relief.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at March 26, 2023 07:53 PM (xcxpd)

102 92 Evenin' horde! Just for laughs, anybody try to buy a n AR pistol brace lately?
Posted by: Norman Spiny at March 26, 2023 07:50 PM (SfKr

Nah, had one years ago but I don't use it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at March 26, 2023 07:53 PM (xcxpd)

103 Also, Weasel, how do they do the scoring? I imagine a LOT of those rounds go through the same hole, or as near to as makes no-never-mind. How do they handle that? Do they assume no flyers? Do they use a spotting scope to watch (and hope they don't blink)? A camera?

Posted by: GWB at March 26, 2023 07:54 PM (NJ9MR)

104 Not even close.
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Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at March 26, 2023 07:54 PM (Vwz3I)

105 Posted by: GWB at March 26, 2023 07:51 PM (NJ9MR)
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Just think of it as more challenging!

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 07:54 PM (RG6z4)

106 In fact she is shooting .308 right now.

Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2023 07:55 PM (wZY3B)

107 #88 Duke
Hear! Hear!

Posted by: Skip at March 26, 2023 07:55 PM (xhxe8)

108 Posted by: GWB at March 26, 2023 07:54 PM (NJ9MR)
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There is someone at the target in the Pits scoring each shot,

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 07:55 PM (rI9bo)

109 Aieee! Ees no 'Long Train Running' Doobie Brothers song ... ees 'Without Love' ... yo soy muy desaperacido (that is the right word for 'disappointed', yes?) ...

Posted by: Dr_No at March 26, 2023 07:55 PM (mu5GU)

110 No range time this weekend, but:
1) Signed up for my first IDPA match weekend after Easter - can't wait!

2) Ordered my first AR-15 lower, will hopefully acquire it next weekend (7-day waiting period here) - going to build a precision rifle from parts - been wanting to do this for 15 years, so feels good to finally be getting started. Basing it around a 20" Wylde HBAR barrel, 1:7 twist I think.

Posted by: MD_Mike at March 26, 2023 07:56 PM (BouEL)

111 Posted by: GWB at March 26, 2023 07:54 PM (NJ9MR)
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Although electronic targets are now sometimes being used, at least in the U.S. weasel is not a fan of electronic targets in competition..

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 07:57 PM (RG6z4)

112 Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at March 26, 2023 07:52 PM (NF5L0)
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Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 07:58 PM (RG6z4)

113 There is someone at the target in the Pits scoring each shot,
Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 07:55 PM (rI9bo)
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I was working the pit during an NRA shoot and the director on the firing line asked if there was a problem. (I was taking way too much time getting a target set up) I replied over the radio, "Yes there is, me."

I thought the guy running the line was going to pee himself with the way he laughed.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at March 26, 2023 07:58 PM (2YtOq)

114 I read some time back that "world class" archers release the bow string between heartbeats...do wc shooters do something similar?

Posted by: BignJames at March 26, 2023 08:01 PM (AwYPR)

115 92 Evenin' horde! Just for laughs, anybody try to buy a n AR pistol brace lately?
Posted by: Norman Spiny at March 26, 2023 07:50 PM (SfKr

Yes. Real serious precision shooters will shoot between breaths and between heartbeats.

I'm not real serious.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at March 26, 2023 08:02 PM (xcxpd)

116
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at March 26, 2023 07:58 PM (2YtOq)
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Few things can frustrate a shooter like slow or irregular pit service! In Ottawa, the range employs a bunch of young ladies from a nearby private school to score targets, and they do a phenomenal job. They are evaluated on performance and not asked to come back if they have many complaints!

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:02 PM (rI9bo)

117 Oh and on topic, I bought my first BCM upper, just before work fucked me. 18" 1 in 8 twist barrel, BCG and charging handle. Just need to pop it into my unused BCM lower and slap the scope on to sight it in. Plan to do that next Saturday.

Not cheap but....well, no point in complaining about price now. I have it.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at March 26, 2023 08:04 PM (xcxpd)

118 so a friend of mine is using a .410 to defend his chickens from foxes and coyotes....

I am pondering gifting him some Winchester Super X #4 shot....

anyone have any opinions on the matter?
Posted by: sven at March 26, 2023 07:05 PM (Lzpvj)

Mu$t be a good friend.

Posted by: BignJames at March 26, 2023 08:04 PM (AwYPR)

119 Doh that was for bign James. My bad. Stupid copy/paste error

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at March 26, 2023 08:05 PM (xcxpd)

120 Posted by: BignJames at March 26, 2023 08:01 PM (AwYPR)
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Sort of. I time my trigger pull near the bottom of the exhale, but not too sure about heart rate. Maybe sling shooters do that. Breathing creates a greater potential disturbance in my opinion.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:05 PM (RG6z4)

121 Got a bunch of singles to try (cigars, new to me), so looking forward to exploring those.

Still in the middle of 30-06 brass prep. After that, fill some revolver food cans and then do a full disassembly and cleaning of the M1s.

But all is not drudgery. A week ago today had better than usual performance with an M1 at an action rifle shoot. And there's buzzing among the military surplus rifle crowd about setting up something new.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 26, 2023 08:05 PM (OTzUX)

122 I was working the pit during an NRA shoot and the director on the firing line asked if there was a problem. (I was taking way too much time getting a target set up) I replied over the radio, "Yes there is, me."

Hah! Great story.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 26, 2023 08:05 PM (Xrfse)

123 Few things can frustrate a shooter like slow or irregular pit service! In Ottawa, the range employs a bunch of young ladies from a nearby private school to score targets, and they do a phenomenal job. They are evaluated on performance and not asked to come back if they have many complaints!
Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:02 PM (rI9bo)
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fortunately, in my case, it was setting up a new target, not scoring. Had it been scoring ineptitude, I'd have been a bit more embarrassed.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at March 26, 2023 08:06 PM (2YtOq)

124 118 Posted by: BignJames at March 26, 2023 08:04 PM (AwYPR)

He is, and they are good chickens.

Posted by: sven at March 26, 2023 08:06 PM (Lzpvj)

125 64 I've watched the air gun reality show competition on the Outdoor channel. The type of guns out there today are badass. I've not heard in person the sound a large caliber air gun makes. What's the decibels?
Posted by: polynikes at March 26, 2023 07:33 PM (IhbYA)

It's all about bore size, projectile weight, and muzzle velocity. Which really mean muzzle energy. So, if your shopping and want to know how loud it is, you can (roughly) compare to muzzle energy of rim fire (and if you get into large bore air rifles) center fire cartridges.

This doesn't include any sort of moderator/suppressor lots of spring piston air rifles have, of course.

Example: I use a .22 Nitro Piston rifle for back yard pest control (raccoon out to 25-30 yds). Muzzle energy is 30 ft-lb or so.

Similar length barrel .22 Short will give on the order of 70 ft-lb.

Report on the air rifle is around half (human ear impression) of a .22 Short.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf A2E6, Easy 6 Titanium Enhanced at March 26, 2023 08:07 PM (8C7+r)

126 On the 9mm/.40/.45 ACP front....
I watched a video about shooting frying pans with them. The guy didn't do a very good plan out as he only use one set of 3 pans as the target. He really should have (from a test guy's perspective) used three different sets. (The target was 3 frying pans nestled together and hung by the backstop from their handles, so they swing when struck.)

But... the 9mm made a nice hole. With lots of spall on the front side and back side of the pans. The .40 made a visibly larger hole, with less spall on the front side. The .45 made a hole that was not noticeably larger than the .40, but it was also nearer the edge of the pan bottom, so might have been constrained by that (slightly).

He did use a plastic-filled hollow point on one of the later two rounds, which also spoiled the experiment.

But the spall was interesting. I think the 9mm did more disintegrating going through the pans.

All that to say, in reference to the meme: 9mm is nice. .45 is nicer, but .40 probably hits harder.

Also, nice weapons and nice shooting everyone. That's good, inspiring stuff.

Posted by: GWB at March 26, 2023 08:08 PM (NJ9MR)

127 God help me, but I do love the gun thread!

Posted by: 496 at March 26, 2023 08:08 PM (ELYbr)

128 Weasel one of the beauties of biathlon is the combo of the most aerobic sport in existence (more than swimming), and the focus, concentration, and fine motor skills of the shooting portion - at that very elevated heart rate.

Damn shame climate and geography are such limiting factors in making that part of the picture.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 26, 2023 08:08 PM (OTzUX)

129 Weasel,

I've been waiting for RI Red's article about bedding a 10/22. If it's too large and/or not of general enough interest to include in a Gun Thread, would you consider posting it on the Weasel Acres site and giving us a link to it? Thanks.

Posted by: Oddbob at March 26, 2023 08:09 PM (nfrXX)

130 Posted by: rhomboid at March 26, 2023 08:05 PM (OTzUX)
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Just sent you an email.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:09 PM (RG6z4)

131 An Ottawa in the U.S. I assume and not our dysfunctional Ottawa?

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at March 26, 2023 08:09 PM (Vwz3I)

132 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at March 26, 2023 08:06 PM (2YtOq)
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OK. You're forgiven!

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:10 PM (RG6z4)

133 I’m not sure how much you know about goats……
Don’t try to milk the goat!

Posted by: Rancherbob at March 26, 2023 08:10 PM (ogSRe)

134 Posted by: Oddbob at March 26, 2023 08:09 PM (nfrXX)
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Sure, if it's ok with Mr. Aspirin H8r!

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:11 PM (RG6z4)

135 God help me, but I do love the gun thread!
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It is well that the gub thread is so terrible, or we should grow too fond of it.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at March 26, 2023 08:11 PM (Vwz3I)

136 We have a pit at our 200/300 yard range. There is only one entrance to it. At the other end of the pit is a ladder.
That is there just in case a bear decides to see what is going on.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 08:12 PM (fe7in)

137 Posted by: 496 at March 26, 2023 08:08 PM (ELYbr)
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Why thank you very much! All y'all take a bow!

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:12 PM (RG6z4)

138 128 Weasel one of the beauties of biathlon is the combo of the most aerobic sport in existence (more than swimming), and the focus, concentration, and fine motor skills of the shooting portion - at that very elevated heart rate.

Posted by: rhomboid

I was fortunate enough to be on the course of the biathalon at the Vancouver Olympics in 2010. It was incredible to witness.

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 26, 2023 08:13 PM (U2p+3)

139 Damn shame climate and geography are such limiting factors in making that part of the picture.

Some years ago I heard about something called "summer biathlon" which combined riding a mountain bike on a closed loop for time with shooting an air rifle for score. I couldn't find anyone doing it near me and I'm too old and out of shape to even try something like that now.

Posted by: Oddbob at March 26, 2023 08:13 PM (nfrXX)

140 Congratulations on your goat,Weasel. You may want to pick a sack of lime as well as goat chow. I don't think a farrier is going to want to mess with his foot and you need a place and way to restrain him.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 26, 2023 08:14 PM (oftzL)

141 Caliber and cartridge wars are an old mainstay of gunmags. A good cartridge does what you need it to do and works for you in shot selection. Rest of it is a matter of taste and circumstances. I have shot fortays in the past and it is a good cartridge for sel defense. I don't have one simply because I try to avoid cartridge creep and a fortay is more unpleasant if you shoot it in compact pistols. I prefer 9mm in compacts.

Posted by: whig at March 26, 2023 08:14 PM (OlAjS)

142 Posted by: Rancherbob at March 26, 2023 08:10 PM (ogSRe)
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I know as much about goats as I do about sickle bar mowers! Since I now have an agricultural crop AND livestock, I think I should be a "rancher" now, too!

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:14 PM (RG6z4)

143 We have a pit at our 200/300 yard range. There is only one entrance to it. At the other end of the pit is a ladder.
That is there just in case a bear decides to see what is going on.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 08:12 PM (fe7in)
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During a high power match, we had someone from the adjoining shotgun range think it would be a great idea to put a shotgun slug through one of our targets. The guy running the match had some words for that idiot. Realistically, the group should have been kicked off the range. But, alas, those rules weren't really enforced back then.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at March 26, 2023 08:15 PM (2YtOq)

144 OT: Tomorrow TCM will be airing Gaslight at 10:00 a.m. so we can all see what 'gaslighting' really means.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at March 26, 2023 08:15 PM (Vwz3I)

145 128 Posted by: rhomboid at March 26, 2023 08:08 PM

Now imagine if you had to shoot a rifle just after finishing a swim.

Your all wet, water dripping from your hair onto your scope (unless you're bald) while a light breeze on your wet body is making everything contract.

Yeah, the skiers have it easier.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 08:16 PM (fe7in)

146 9 so a friend of mine is using a .410 to defend his chickens from foxes and coyotes....

I am pondering gifting him some Winchester Super X #4 shot....

anyone have any opinions on the matter?
Posted by: sven at March 26, 2023 07:05 PM (Lzpvj)

If they were my chickens, I'd think about using slugs.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf A2E6, Easy 6 Titanium Enhanced at March 26, 2023 08:16 PM (8C7+r)

147 Used the first of my stash of Eley 10X at the match today. It did quite respectably at the 50 and 100, but I'm wondering if I should use something a bit faster for the 150 and 200. They seemed to get pushed around more than I was expecting.
One of my buddies had me try a faster round after one match and I consistently hit the 200 yd 2-inch target, the smallest of the set.
Of course, he suggested it AFTER the match.

Posted by: RI Red at March 26, 2023 08:17 PM (WpZib)

148 I think I should be a "rancher" now, too!

No having a goat makes you a goat roper. It’s just not the same thing.

Posted by: Rancherbob at March 26, 2023 08:17 PM (ogSRe)

149 I think I should be a "rancher" now, too!

Does VA have an agricultural exemption like TX where you pay less in taxes on the land if you at least pretend to try to make money growing something for sale?

Posted by: Oddbob at March 26, 2023 08:17 PM (nfrXX)

150 Posted by: rhomboid at March 26, 2023 08:08 PM (OTzUX)
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Agreed. It's hard enough without all the running around! Some tactical-style matches do that.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:17 PM (RG6z4)

151 No having a goat makes you a goat roper. It’s just not the same thing.
Posted by: Rancherbob at March 26, 2023 08:17 PM (ogSRe)
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Hah! I've not heard that term since I lived in OK. Wow, does that take me back.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at March 26, 2023 08:18 PM (2YtOq)

152 146 Posted by: Iron Mike Golf A2E6, Easy 6 Titanium Enhanced at March 26, 2023 08:16 PM (8C7+r)

Eventually I may get him a circuit judge.

Posted by: sven at March 26, 2023 08:18 PM (Lzpvj)

153 Posted by: Ben Had at March 26, 2023 08:14 PM (oftzL)
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They eat lime?

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:19 PM (RG6z4)

154 Posted by: Rancherbob at March 26, 2023 08:17 PM (ogSRe)
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Oh great.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:19 PM (RG6z4)

155 142 Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:14 PM

RancherWeasel does not roll off the tongue like Weasel-san. Hai!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 08:19 PM (fe7in)

156 Eventually I may get him a circuit judge.

I think that's only allowed if you're a mobster or a Democrat (BIRM).

Posted by: Oddbob at March 26, 2023 08:19 PM (nfrXX)

157 Posted by: Oddbob at March 26, 2023 08:17 PM (nfrXX)
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You better believe I treat it as a business! It's a certified tree farm!

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:20 PM (rI9bo)

158 You better believe I treat it as a business! It's a certified tree farm!
Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:20 PM (rI9bo)
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Do you write off ammo as a "tree trimming" expense?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at March 26, 2023 08:21 PM (2YtOq)

159 143 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at March 26, 2023 08:15 PM

The backstop to our targets at our 200/300 yard range is a fiberboard like material. Shotgun slugs would have destroyed them.

The idiots you spoke off sounds like people you would want to avoid.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 08:21 PM (fe7in)

160 Posted by: Oddbob at March 26, 2023 08:17 PM (nfrXX)
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The land was already zoned agricultural and the taxes on 54 acres are about $400/yr.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:22 PM (RG6z4)

161 "They eat lime?"

They put it in the coconut.

Posted by: The dokter at March 26, 2023 08:22 PM (iayUP)

162 Do you write off ammo as a "tree trimming" expense?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at March 26, 2023 08:21 PM (2YtOq)
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Office supplies.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:23 PM (RG6z4)

163 Weasel, The lime is for all the places around your camper the little scamp is peeing. Come warm weather your gonna know what goat farm smells like

Posted by: Ben Had at March 26, 2023 08:23 PM (oftzL)

164 147 Posted by: RI Red at March 26, 2023 08:17 PM

Didn't you know? After a match is when all the useful information comes out!! ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 08:23 PM (fe7in)

165 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 08:19 PM (fe7in)
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Excellent point!

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:24 PM (RG6z4)

166 Now imagine if you had to shoot a rifle just after finishing a swim.

Your all wet, water dripping from your hair onto your scope (unless you're bald) while a light breeze on your wet body is making everything contract.

Yeah, the skiers have it easier.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude

Nope. No way. The skiers have snot and drool frozen to their faces and their hands are frozen and the frozen cold rifle sticks to the snot on the side of their faces, so they slather with vasoline which makes it slippery.

Nope. The skiers have it way harder. Plus, the skiers are carrying their rifles and have to shoulder on and off.

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 26, 2023 08:24 PM (U2p+3)

167 Posted by: Ben Had at March 26, 2023 08:23 PM (oftzL)
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OK, lime is on the list. Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:24 PM (RG6z4)

168 Oddbob and Weasel - good news! I'm going to re-write the final results, as I learned (another!) lesson and can report a major improvement with this One Weird Trick.
Weasel, I'll get a picture and explanation out toot sweet.

Posted by: RI Red at March 26, 2023 08:24 PM (WpZib)

169 The idiots you spoke off sounds like people you would want to avoid.

Yes, and it annoys me that I have something in common with someone who is that stupid, even if it's just a common hobby interest.

Posted by: Oddbob at March 26, 2023 08:25 PM (nfrXX)

170 154 Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:19 PM

Hey, could be worse, you could be called a goat-f@$#%!. Goat-roper is kinda tame. :-p

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 08:25 PM (fe7in)

171 Thanks for the details on the meetup going to try and make it, but the little one may have other plans for me.....

Posted by: Draki at March 26, 2023 08:26 PM (KJN6F)

172 I'm trying to figure out how they are able to hold the championship in South Africa, considering the country can't keep the lights on. I get it that guns need no infrastructure but how about lights?

Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 26, 2023 08:26 PM (5Jo4L)

173 157 Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:20 PM

Trees for landscaping I assume, not seasonal holiday sales.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 08:26 PM (fe7in)

174 Posted by: RI Red at March 26, 2023 08:24 PM (WpZib)
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Great!

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:26 PM (rI9bo)

175 My pleasure, my family is considering getting a Gamo or Umarex Hammer.
Sven
Apologize for being late, but one of the reasons I went with the PCP was that I bought a Gamo. Loved the magazine (it was in .177, and those little bastiges are small)... put a Leupold on it, and still couldn't group consistently. Wrote to customer service, exchanged several emails and basically was told if it was cycling correctly, the rifle was good.
NEVER addressed the fact it wouldn't group at ALL!

Posted by: MkY at March 26, 2023 08:26 PM (cPGH3)

176 This may have been asked, Weasel. Are there plans for a goat Cozy Cave?

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 26, 2023 08:27 PM (Xrfse)

177 Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 08:26 PM (fe7in)
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Big trees. Lumber and pulp.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:27 PM (RG6z4)

178 166 Posted by: nurse ratched at March 26, 2023 08:24 PM

Have you ever tried to swim with a rifle? :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 08:28 PM (fe7in)

179 I did take one of the young'uns out to shoot some clays and see if the turkeys would come into range. The turkeys left tracks, but nothing for the freezer.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 26, 2023 08:28 PM (2yIpD)

180 No one has mentioned it, but John has a goatee not unlike weasel's.

*runs serpentine *

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 26, 2023 08:29 PM (U2p+3)

181 Posted by: Draki at March 26, 2023 08:26 PM (KJN6F)
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Hope you can make it! bluebell's shiv demonstration is always a big draw.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:29 PM (rI9bo)

182 Have you ever tried to swim with a rifle? :-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude

Amphib assaults on a hostile beach have always made for a lively morning.

Posted by: Tonypete at March 26, 2023 08:29 PM (qoGsy)

183 Posted by: nurse ratched at March 26, 2023 08:29 PM (U2p+3)
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Yep! Just not all grey.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:30 PM (RG6z4)

184 You better believe I treat it as a business! It's a certified tree farm!
Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:20 PM

Dude. A certified, organic, free-range tree farm. I keep telling you, you're leaving money on the table.

Also, it's time for the 2030 Cozy Cave sitrep.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 26, 2023 08:31 PM (a3Q+t)

185 176 This may have been asked, Weasel. Are there plans for a goat Cozy Cave?
Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 26, 2023 08:27 PM (Xrfse)
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Naw, he's too big. I'd guess he must weight close to 200#.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:31 PM (RG6z4)

186 Naw, he's too big. I'd guess he must weight close to 200#.

Yeah, that could be problematic.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 26, 2023 08:32 PM (Xrfse)

187 The skiers have snot and drool frozen to their faces and their hands are frozen and the frozen cold rifle sticks to the snot on the side of their faces.

Nurse, I can speak to this - last month's match, but no skiing.

Posted by: RI Red at March 26, 2023 08:32 PM (WpZib)

188 I wouldn't trade my HK VP40 for anything.
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at March 26, 2023 07:19 PM (oWBc3)

My HK must be really powerful then. It's a VP70.

Posted by: GWB at March 26, 2023 08:32 PM (NJ9MR)

189 No one has mentioned it, but John has a goatee not unlike weasel's.
*runs serpentine *
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 26, 2023 08:29 PM

* sigh *

You can run, but you'll just die tired.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 26, 2023 08:32 PM (a3Q+t)

190 180 *runs serpentine *

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 26, 2023 08:29 PM

Every time I hear someone say that I think of this scene:

https://tinyurl.com/yx45b5fn

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 08:32 PM (fe7in)

191 Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 26, 2023 08:31 PM (a3Q+t)
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I need an acronym! Not sure on the CC state of affairs. I've been outside with a cigar, but will be going in soon.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:33 PM (rI9bo)

192 188 gwb,

Your trigger finger must look like a bicep..

Posted by: Sven at March 26, 2023 08:33 PM (Lzpvj)

193 Y'all DO know Lewis and Clark had an air file, right?
Impressed the local tribes big time. I don't know how they pumped that sucker up, but I'm glad I wasn't the one who's job it was...

Posted by: MkY at March 26, 2023 08:33 PM (cPGH3)

194 CC Sitrep: WD on top of CC2, FSJ must be downstairs with WW watching TV.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:35 PM (RG6z4)

195 Hi all my favorite gun enthusiasts!
Just lurking because no shooting this week.
Weasel, maybe the goat can help with the driveway clearing at the farm?

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 26, 2023 08:35 PM (Y+l9t)

196 Y'all DO know Lewis and Clark had an air file, right?

And wasn't an air rifle a major plot device in a Sherlock Holmes story or am I misremembering?

Posted by: Oddbob at March 26, 2023 08:36 PM (nfrXX)

197 Also, Quackenbush, of southern Mo., has been making hunting bore air rifles long enough that big game hunting in Missouri with an air rifle "of sufficient caliber" (I believe over .30) has been legal for a long time.

Posted by: MkY at March 26, 2023 08:36 PM (cPGH3)

198 Weasel, goats are a little specialized. For example, do NOT give sheep feed to goats, it will poison them toot sweet. You can get a farrier to trim the hooves, easier to find and much cheaper than a vet. They make mineral blocks for goats that help alot with their nutrition. Given the name, have you checked whether he's a wether?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 26, 2023 08:37 PM (a3Q+t)

199 Posted by: nurse ratched at March 26, 2023 07:26 PM (U2p+3)

Nurse, do you not have a problem with having to take the purse/bag off at times?
I do not worry about someone trying to grab your bag, though.

Posted by: GWB at March 26, 2023 08:37 PM (NJ9MR)

200 Lewis and Clark had an air file, right?
Impressed the local tribes big time. I don't know how they pumped that sucker up, but I'm glad I wasn't the one who's job it was...
Posted by: MkY

I would guess that it had a cranking mechanism to build pressure. I have seen an example in a museum. The Germans built some nice ones in that time period.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 26, 2023 08:37 PM (0iRrz)

201 And wasn't an air rifle a major plot device in a Sherlock Holmes story or am I misremembering?
Posted by: Oddbob at March 26, 2023 08:36 PM (nfrXX)
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Yes, and it was a well done episode.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at March 26, 2023 08:37 PM (2YtOq)

202 Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at March 26, 2023 08:35 PM (Y+l9t)
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I mentioned that to him, so hopefully he'll start nibbling on stuff!

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:37 PM (rI9bo)

203 Weasel, all kidding aside don't buy any feed for the goat. You have bears that come through and putting out feed is asking for trouble. You want to give him something make it some hay.

Posted by: Ben Had at March 26, 2023 08:38 PM (oftzL)

204 My pleasure, my family is considering getting a Gamo or Umarex Hammer.

OMG, weasel is trying to reason with a goat.
Intervention?

Posted by: MkY at March 26, 2023 08:39 PM (cPGH3)

205 Some guy a few years back built, or, had built, a replica of the air rifle used by Lewis and Clarke. It was pretty impressive, the way the rifle shot.

Unfortunately, I can't find the video again.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at March 26, 2023 08:39 PM (2YtOq)

206 Bad quote.
Sorry

Posted by: MkY at March 26, 2023 08:40 PM (cPGH3)

207 Nope. No way. The skiers have snot and drool frozen to their faces and their hands are frozen and the frozen cold rifle sticks to the snot on the side of their faces, so they slather with vasoline which makes it slippery.

Nope. The skiers have it way harder. Plus, the skiers are carrying their rifles and have to shoulder on and off.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 26, 2023 08:24 PM (U2p+3)

The US Army biathlon team has their training facility in the town I live in. Used to be up there a lot when my kids were involved in Nordic and would often see the soldiers training. The raw power emanating from those men when they passed by after skiing who knows how many kilometers was amazing. Then they stop and shoot, usually with uncanny accuracy. Closest thing to a superhero I expect I'll ever see.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at March 26, 2023 08:40 PM (UEHZk)

208 Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 26, 2023 08:37 PM (a3Q+t)
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Good idea on the mineral block. The other critters might like it too.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:40 PM (rI9bo)

209 Now if you were down here we still have trees and bushes to help.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 07:32 PM (fe7in)

Down here wind indicators are easy. Just watch which way the fluorescent pollen blows....

Posted by: GWB at March 26, 2023 08:40 PM (NJ9MR)

210 Don't goats just naturally graze and eat anything?

Posted by: RI Red at March 26, 2023 08:40 PM (WpZib)

211 I mentioned that to him, so hopefully he'll start nibbling on stuff!
Posted by: Weasel

Proper quote.

OMG, weasel is trying to reason with a goat.
Intervention?

Proper response.

Posted by: MkY at March 26, 2023 08:41 PM (cPGH3)

212 Posted by: Ben Had at March 26, 2023 08:38 PM (oftzL)
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Good point. I'll leave it in the truck as a treat when I'm there. Thanks!

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:42 PM (RG6z4)

213 Was just referring to the aerobic stress of the activity, the resulting heart rate, and the related challenge of shooting accurately. Swimming and shooting would be no picnic either, and also challenging for the same reason (elevated heart rate). Good friend did some of that for many many years on the public payroll.

Have never lived where biathlon was an option. Once was x-c skiing at Lake Placid when the junior Russian biathlon team was there practicing. Still have a cartridge box in my wax bag. Chain-smoking profane coaches - perfectly Russian. And the kids skied past me like I was standing still, of course.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 26, 2023 08:42 PM (OTzUX)

214 Or maybe I'll get him a bag of apples. He might like that better than goat chow.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:43 PM (rI9bo)

215 You can take steps to reduce the sound from an air gun.
Posted by: sven at March 26, 2023 07:36 PM (Lzpvj)

If you go the PCP* route, you can buy a lot of different regular caliber air guns with built-in suppression. I would love to buy one, but don't want to throw in for the scuba tanks or compressor, yet.

(* Really? "PCP"? You couldn't come up with a less stupid abbreviation? "Yes, officer, I have PCP in the car.")

Posted by: GWB at March 26, 2023 08:44 PM (NJ9MR)

216 I had a coupla co workers who lived out in the country. Decided pygmy goats was the way to control the brush.
The found out those little suckers would eat the upholstery out of a truck with the windows barely turned down.
AND the brush...

Posted by: MkY at March 26, 2023 08:44 PM (cPGH3)

217 Good point. I'll leave it in the truck as a treat when I'm there. Thanks!
Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:42 PM

Goat feed isn't a long-term storage item. Check the sell-by date at the feed store.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 26, 2023 08:44 PM (a3Q+t)

218 Hogmartin and I burned some 9mm through a Walther, a S&W, and a CZ on Wednesday (first day of Ramadan). No pictures of the therapy were taken.

Posted by: Eromero at March 26, 2023 08:45 PM (MF3yS)

219 Austrians more accurately used for sharpshooters in Jaeger [Rifle] regiments but withdrawn due to problems mentioned in the 'History and use' section.

https://en.wikipedia.org/
wiki/Girardoni_air_rifle

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at March 26, 2023 08:45 PM (Vwz3I)

220 Posted by: RI Red at March 26, 2023 08:40 PM (WpZib)
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I think so. He tried to eat a cellophane cigar wrapper on Friday.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:45 PM (rI9bo)

221 Side note: I took a quick look at the Buds Gun Shop web site, checking out the Noreen BN36 and the H.C.A.R., both of which they had in stock a week ago or so. The H.C.A.R. retails for around 7K and the Noreen's run about 2.5K or so.

Completely out of stock.

Wow.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at March 26, 2023 08:46 PM (2YtOq)

222 209 Down here wind indicators are easy. Just watch which way the fluorescent pollen blows....

Posted by: GWB at March 26, 2023 08:40 PM

Do you factor in the force of your sneeze into your ballistic calculations. :-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 08:46 PM (fe7in)

223 Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 26, 2023 08:44 PM (a3Q+t)
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Goat ranching is turning out to be complicated.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:46 PM (RG6z4)

224 GWB, good point. The few times I have been pulled over, I tell the officer, "By the way, Sir, I have a permit to carry and yes, I am carrying and will await your instructions."
I never say the Gub Word.

Posted by: RI Red at March 26, 2023 08:47 PM (WpZib)

225 Years back there was talk of trying to set up an "historic biathlon", which would be quite different. Not high-end skate skis on groomed trails, and fancy Anschutz rifles.

Mountaineering skis, snow shoes, service bolt-action rifles, shooting from cover at reactive profile steel targets. Of course terrain and forest cover would be issues.

Woulda been great. Obviously difficult to set up more than once or twice, don't think they ever got it going.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 26, 2023 08:47 PM (OTzUX)

226 Wait, not only do we do medical and dating advice, but, we're now offering goat advice?

This truly is a full service blog.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at March 26, 2023 08:48 PM (2YtOq)

227 Hogmartin and I burned some 9mm...

There's a name I haven't seen in a while. Tell him to come around and say hi once in a while.

Posted by: Oddbob at March 26, 2023 08:48 PM (nfrXX)

228 Or maybe I'll get him a bag of apples. He might like that better than goat chow.

Thank you, Papa Weasel. You're the best!

Posted by: The Weasel Goat at March 26, 2023 08:49 PM (Xrfse)

229 GWB

I can get maybe 60 or 80 shots at targets with a single charge (depends on what we're shooting at)... whereas a .54 may get 3.
I think I get about 6 recharges out of my 4500# scuba tank... not sure. I've charge up twice, shot 600 times. I don't wanna do the math... but I know I didn't want to own my own pump.
And no one on god's green earth could get me to pump 4-600 times to shoot 40 or 50 pellets.

Posted by: MkY at March 26, 2023 08:49 PM (cPGH3)

230 Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 26, 2023 08:44 PM (a3Q+t)
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I may try one of the air- tight "vittles vault" we use for dog and cat kibble.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:49 PM (RG6z4)

231 There is someone at the target in the Pits scoring each shot,
Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 07:55 PM (rI9bo)

Kinda like in the old Army films, with someone sticking up a circle in front of each hole, each shot?

'Cause that is really cool. And more dedication than everyone simply sitting back in the comfy area behind the firing line.

Posted by: GWB at March 26, 2023 08:50 PM (NJ9MR)

232 Goat ranching is turning out to be complicated.
Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:46 PM

Wait until you go to the rodeo.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 26, 2023 08:50 PM (a3Q+t)

233 I may try one of the air- tight "vittles vault" we use for dog and cat kibble.
Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:49 PM (RG6z4)
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Sounds good to me!

Posted by: Weasel Bear at March 26, 2023 08:51 PM (2YtOq)

234 172 I'm trying to figure out how they are able to hold the championship in South Africa, considering the country can't keep the lights on. I get it that guns need no infrastructure but how about lights?
Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 26, 2023 08:26 PM (5Jo4L)

The government isn't hosting it, at least not directly. The SA Bisley Union (SABU) is the host. It is SA's version of the NRA.

The event is being held on a military base, much like our Nationals are held at military bases (Camp Perry and Camp Atterbury).

So while the national gov't is shit, much like ours, motivated groups can still make events like this happen.

In fact, holding the World Championships is a feather in SABU's cap that allows helps it's position when negotiating to use the military ranges and helping to justify firearms licensing to it's members.

Posted by: iron308 at March 26, 2023 08:51 PM (kF9CD)

235 I don't feel like looking again online but I'd like a breechloading Ferguson flintlock rifle but I think the reproductions are no longer being made so they're rare and expensive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/
wiki/Ferguson_rifle

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at March 26, 2023 08:51 PM (Vwz3I)

236 Posted by: GWB at March 26, 2023 08:50 PM (NJ9MR)
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Most of the target frame mechanisms used date to WWI I think. Big steel counterbalanced contraptions.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:52 PM (RG6z4)

237 Wait, not only do we do medical and dating advice, but, we're now offering goat advice?

This truly is a full service blog.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at March 26, 2023 08:48 PM

There can be considerable overlap between the last two when plotted on a Venn Diagram.

Have I mentioned I love Venn Diagrams?

Posted by: Kamala! 2022! 2024! 2028! David Hogg 2032! at March 26, 2023 08:53 PM (a3Q+t)

238 Are we sure this is the Gub Thread?
First, Goat advice.
Second, not one Moron went for the hanging pitch about SEH cleaning her husband's "duty gun".
It's like I don't even . . .

Posted by: RI Red at March 26, 2023 08:53 PM (WpZib)

239 Have I mentioned I love Venn Diagrams?
Posted by: Kamala! 2022! 2024! 2028! David Hogg 2032! at March 26, 2023 08:53 PM (a3Q+t)
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I'm surprised you even know what one is...

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at March 26, 2023 08:54 PM (2YtOq)

240 I've decided to trim the last of the once-fired HXP 30-06 brass before its 1st reloading. An extensive if not scientific sampling seems to show there is much more brass flow (cases getting longer) after the first firing than after the 2nd (my reloads). So I've generally skipped trimming the twice fired brass - though I gauge and check every case.

A few years ago I experimented, trimmed/measured 50 cases, weighed every charge going into those to make it close to exact and perfectly consistent - and then compared performance to my regular reloads.

No difference.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 26, 2023 08:55 PM (OTzUX)

241 I'm surprised you even know what one is...
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing

Her staff is improving on the "positioning her for success" thang.

Posted by: MkY at March 26, 2023 08:56 PM (cPGH3)

242 229 Posted by: MkY at March 26, 2023 08:49 PM

Can I ask what size tank you are using?

When I dove I dove two manifolded 100cf tanks filled to about 3500psi. I also had the same set up but with 120cf tanks filled to the same pressure.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 08:56 PM (fe7in)

243
No difference.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 26, 2023 08:55 PM (OTzUX)
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I can help.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:56 PM (RG6z4)

244 Hogmartin and I burned some 9mm through a Walther, a S&W, and a CZ on Wednesday (first day of Ramadan).
Posted by: Eromero at March 26, 2023 08:45 PM

Given the date, a good choice to fast with 9mm, instead of a normal .45 ACP diet.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 26, 2023 08:56 PM (a3Q+t)

245 For squirrels, rabbits, other wildlife I picked up the Air Venturi Avenger PCP. It has 2 gauges one for your 'tank' and one for each shot's charge and has an adjustable hammer as well. I put a 4x16x44 scope on it.
I'm working through a number of different brands of ammo to figure out which one the rifle likes best.
So far I haven't seen much difference.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 26, 2023 08:57 PM (S4nmY)

246 Weasel, that feed comes in 50lb sacks. In a month he may decide to move on

Posted by: Ben Had at March 26, 2023 08:57 PM (oftzL)

247 Weasel! Horde! I'm late, I'm late for a very important date!

No range time for me this week, but I'm still grinning from last Sunday's outing with the DMV MGC. Ed L brought his "Dirty Harry" .44 Magnum - I just put .44 Special through it, but still lotsa fun. I also shot Ed L's SP5 (it is primo), Hrothgar's beautimous 1911, Stinky's Daddy's S&W 686, and my S&W model 14. I didn't shoot all that well, but enjoyed admiring the skillz of all my companions.

Thanks to SD I now have Pachmayr grips on the S&W 1917. Not as purty, but should be more comfortable to shoot.

SD also gave me a lesson in AR Cleaning For Dummies and I came home with a clean & shiny AR. Next up in my AR journey is getting comfy with the scope.

My agenda was to get back in the saddle and have fun. Mission accomplished. If you ever have an opportunity to meet up with this merry band of miscreants, do it.

Posted by: screaming in digital at March 26, 2023 08:57 PM (aBJcM)

248 Posted by: screaming in digital at March 26, 2023 08:57 PM (aBJcM)
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Howdy, SiD!!

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:58 PM (RG6z4)

249 238, RI Red, hope your accurizing is going well on your 22s.

Posted by: whig at March 26, 2023 08:58 PM (OlAjS)

250 When I dove I dove two manifolded 100cf tanks filled to about 3500psi. I also had the same set up but with 120cf tanks filled to the same pressure.

Dang, that's a lot of air. Were you cave diving?

Posted by: Oddbob at March 26, 2023 08:58 PM (nfrXX)

251 Oh, I didn't go with a tank, I purchased a compressor that works on 12v and has an inverter built in so it can do AC as well.
I don't think it charges as fast as a tank (I've watched videos); but, then again I don't 'run out' of air and have to go get a tank refilled.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 26, 2023 08:59 PM (S4nmY)

252 I think I should be a "rancher" now, too!
Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:14 PM (RG6z4)

There's probably a gov't subsidy for it!

But you have to choose between "Gentleman Farmer Weasel" and "Rancher Weasel". I think the laws of the universe won't allow "Gentleman Farmer Rancher Weasel."

Posted by: GWB at March 26, 2023 08:59 PM (NJ9MR)

253 I can help.
Posted by: Weasel

Yes, he can.
I mean, I did not start tracking and killing the legendary Bayer all by myself.

Posted by: RI Red at March 26, 2023 08:59 PM (WpZib)

254 iron308, thanks for putting us that information. I too was wondering about the sitrep in S.A., as it might affect a match like this.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 26, 2023 08:59 PM (OTzUX)

255 When I dove I dove two manifolded 100cf tanks filled to about 3500psi. I also had the same set up but with 120cf tanks filled to the same pressure.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 08:56 PM (fe7in)
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Ever think about having an upside down tank with a quick release valve? You could go zooming around underwater!

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 09:00 PM (RG6z4)

256 Can I ask what size tank you are using?

When I dove I dove two manifolded 100cf tanks filled to about 3500psi. I also had the same set up but with 120cf tanks filled to the same pressure.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude

This is the tank I bought. Pretty sure I paid about $125 less than quoted here, however.

https://tinyurl.com/yc5j5zpd

Posted by: MkY at March 26, 2023 09:01 PM (cPGH3)

257 244 Hogmartin and I burned some 9mm through a Walther, a S&W, and a CZ on Wednesday (first day of Ramadan).
Posted by: Eromero at March 26, 2023 08:45 PM

Given the date, a good choice to fast with 9mm, instead of a normal .45 ACP diet.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at March 26, 2023 08:56 PM Sent you a msg.

Posted by: Eromero at March 26, 2023 09:01 PM (MF3yS)

258 Keeping humidors in the proper humidity range can be a pain. You’re always having to re-moisten the humidifier, and worrying about whether it’s dried out, checking the hygrometer. Nowadays I just put a couple dozen sticks in a large Ziplock with a Boveda packet. Good for 6 months, no muss no fuss.

https://tinyurl.com/4y2e3xsn

Posted by: chris+opher at March 26, 2023 09:01 PM (uWB6g)

259 Yeah, the skiers have it easier.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 08:16 PM (fe7in)

Serious question: Has anyone ever invented a Quadathlon? Doing a triathlon with shooting at every stage? That would be freakin' AWESOME.

(I mean, besides SEALs in their day job.)

Posted by: GWB at March 26, 2023 09:01 PM (NJ9MR)

260 Howdy, SiD!!
Posted by: Weasel
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Weasel, sorry I didn't get to catch up with you this time. I am disappoint.

Posted by: screaming in digital at March 26, 2023 09:01 PM (aBJcM)

261 254 iron308, thanks for putting us that information. I too was wondering about the sitrep in S.A., as it might affect a match like this.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 26, 2023 08:59 PM (OTzUX)
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Some of my pals who have been there before say the situation off base can be sketchy.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 09:02 PM (RG6z4)

262 250 Dang, that's a lot of air. Were you cave diving?

Posted by: Oddbob at March 26, 2023 08:58 PM

No, would never venture into something that prevents me from ascending to the surface unobstructed.

Usually did dives on wrecks between 110 and 140 feet. The amount of air I carried was due to me doing dives with long bottom times with enough air to get me through the decompression stops.

And if the dives were shallower than 130 feet I would dive NiTrox to extend my bottom time or shorten my deco time.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 09:02 PM (fe7in)

263 The skiers have snot and drool frozen to their faces

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 26, 2023 08:24 PM (U2p+3)

That sounds like a hygiene/personal problem.

Posted by: GWB at March 26, 2023 09:04 PM (NJ9MR)

264 So far I haven't seen much difference.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron

I read a shit ton of reviews, and bought 3 different brands/weights. There is a difference, but i didn't buy the regulated model, so I kinda think the thing to do is buy the one that works ok, and buy a metric ton of it.
Nobody sells good pellet ammo locally.
Europeans, cause they can't have real rifles, really go gung ho on pellet rifle stuff.

Posted by: MkY at March 26, 2023 09:04 PM (cPGH3)

265 Weasel I'm content with the performance of my reloads as they are, was just noting that doing 50 with strict quality control as to case length and charge made no apparent difference.

If I ever get into paper/high accuracy matches, it'll be a different story, and your wisdom will be mined aggressively.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 26, 2023 09:04 PM (OTzUX)

266 252 I think I should be a "rancher" now, too!
Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:14 PM (RG6z4)

There's probably a gov't subsidy for it!

But you have to choose between "Gentleman Farmer Weasel" and "Rancher Weasel". I think the laws of the universe won't allow "Gentleman Farmer Rancher Weasel."
Posted by: GWB at March 26, 2023 08:59 PM
For goodness sake don't list it as a plantation.

Posted by: Eromero at March 26, 2023 09:05 PM (MF3yS)

267 In my world, goats don't just "show up." The goat could be an agent provocateur.

Beware.

That's all I'm saying.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 26, 2023 09:05 PM (s12c9)

268 Whig, yes, coming along nicely. Mentioned upthread that there will be some posting soon.
I put the finishing touches on the 10-22 and shot for results yesterday, with a commensurate "d'oh" moment that still has me smiling and shaking my head at the same time.

Posted by: RI Red at March 26, 2023 09:05 PM (WpZib)

269 Posted by: chris+opher at March 26, 2023 09:01 PM (uWB6g)
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Once the humidor has stabilized humidity, maintaining it is not hard. I use one of the BIG vittles vaults - the size that will hold 50# of kibble - as a bulk storage humidor, and bought some loose Spanish cedar planks for inside to help stabilize conditions, I also have little Bluetooth hygrometers to monitor temp and humidity from my phone.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 09:06 PM (RG6z4)

270 256 Posted by: MkY at March 26, 2023 09:01 PM

Damn!!!! Over $500 for a 74cf tank?? Granted it was over 20 years ago but my tanks did not cost that much. Then again they were not wrapped in carbon fiber which lets you pressurize them to 4500psi.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 09:07 PM (fe7in)

271 I kinda think the thing to do is buy the one that works ok, and buy a metric ton of it.
Nobody sells good pellet ammo locally.
Europeans, cause they can't have real rifles, really go gung ho on pellet rifle stuff.
Posted by: MkY

I agree; but, I haven't found a 'sample of a lot of brands/types so I have *plenty* of ammo before I move on to another brand/type.

I have a range in the back of my rv garage (well it's where I shoot so it's a 'range', right?).

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 26, 2023 09:07 PM (S4nmY)

272 For goodness sake don't list it as a plantation.
Posted by: Eromero at March 26, 2023 09:05 PM (MF3yS)

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Nobody knows
The troubles I seen
Nobody knows
The sorrow

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 26, 2023 09:08 PM (s12c9)

273 Some of my pals who have been there before say the situation off base can be sketchy.
Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 09:02 PM (RG6z4)

It depends on where you go. I was there as part the US Palma team in the two weeks prior and we didn't have any issues. Bloemfontein is relatively safe.

Posted by: iron308 at March 26, 2023 09:08 PM (kF9CD)

274 Beware.

That's all I'm saying.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43)

Oh, Lordy...I'm laughing and nodding my head at the same time. I'm sick...

Posted by: MkY at March 26, 2023 09:09 PM (cPGH3)

275 Dang, Weasel, sounds like a *big* humidor. I guess I know where all the cigar folks know to go after the apocalypse.

And I believe Weasel will be doing a humidification/storage feature sometime on this here thread. I'm confident chris+opher's approach, outlined above, will be one of those discussed.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 26, 2023 09:09 PM (OTzUX)

276 Time to call it a night.

Damn good thread this week Weasel, thank you, thank you, thank you.

Hope everyone has a great week!!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 09:09 PM (fe7in)

277 Posted by: rhomboid at March 26, 2023 09:04 PM (OTzUX)
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Anytime, amigo.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 09:09 PM (RG6z4)

278 115 92 Evenin' horde! Just for laughs, anybody try to buy a n AR pistol brace lately?
Posted by: Norman Spiny at March 26, 2023 07:50 PM (SfKr

Yes. Real serious precision shooters will shoot between breaths and between heartbeats.

I'm not real serious.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at March 26, 2023 08:02 PM (xcxpd)
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Heh.

Looks like all of them are either sold out or the manufacturers are holding them back to see if the ATF "rule" gets overturned. Unobtanium.

Posted by: Norman Spiny at March 26, 2023 09:10 PM (SfKr8)

279 Gentlemen Farmer Rancher Weasel Plantation, I like it!

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 09:11 PM (RG6z4)

280 268 RI Red, good to hear. I also agree about using hi vel rounds for long shots. The match ammo is going to be losing quite a bit of velocity by then making it more susceptible to wind.

Posted by: whig at March 26, 2023 09:11 PM (OlAjS)

281 Would guess Blomfontein would be among the least worst of the cities today. And that area generally. Only once passed it by heading to an airport for some government-sponsored tourism in a previous epoch.

Posted by: rhomboid at March 26, 2023 09:13 PM (OTzUX)

282 AZ deplorable moron

Would it surprise you to hear I spent around a hundred dollars on pellets... most of which I tossed after 20 rounds?
There is some seriously bad low end crap on the market.
I made notes. I'm watching those guys. I'm watching their friends. I'm watching their friends friends...
they won't get away with this...
J/K
Go back to sleep, Bob..

Posted by: MkY at March 26, 2023 09:13 PM (cPGH3)

283 Do you have a white suit and a Panama hat? Do you drink mint juleps at noon? Do you talk like Foghorn Leghorn? You may own a plantation.

Posted by: Eromero at March 26, 2023 09:13 PM (MF3yS)

284 Your trigger finger must look like a bicep..
Posted by: Sven at March 26, 2023 08:33 PM (Lzpvj)

It's actually a 9mm (technically a VP70Z). I'd never seen the VP40 label as a determinant of caliber before that I can recall. (Though I think I have seen "VP9" as a 9mm.)

Companies should not make their labels confusing.

Posted by: GWB at March 26, 2023 09:14 PM (NJ9MR)

285 Gentlemen Farmer Rancher Weasel Plantation, I like it!
Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 09:11 PM (RG6z4)

The Coat of Arms would be a Goat pulling a John Deere tractor, with Weasel seated and WD perched on his shoulder, surrounded by pine trees with holes in them.

Posted by: RI Red at March 26, 2023 09:14 PM (WpZib)

286 Posted by: iron308 at March 26, 2023 09:08 PM (kF9CD)
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Nice! Do you know Nate Guernsey? We coached the Virginia F-Class Teams together in the 2017 Worlds in Ottawa.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 09:14 PM (RG6z4)

287 Posted by: RI Red at March 26, 2023 09:14 PM (WpZib)
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It just keeps getting better!

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 09:16 PM (RG6z4)

288 Most of the target frame mechanisms used date to WWI I think. Big steel counterbalanced contraptions.
Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:52 PM (RG6z4)

I know the target frames on the KD range at Quantico date back to at least WWII. I used to love reversing that stick to the red disk side (the other side was white) and slowly waving it all the way across the target to signal "Maggie's Drawers".

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at March 26, 2023 09:16 PM (PWe8a)

289 Gentlemen Farmer Rancher Weasel Plantation, I like it!

Too wordy. Let's keep this op as simple as possible.

Posted by: The Weasel Goat at March 26, 2023 09:17 PM (Xrfse)

290 Nope. No way. The skiers have snot and drool frozen to their faces and their hands are frozen and the frozen cold rifle sticks to the snot on the side of their faces, so they slather with vasoline which makes it slippery.

Nope. The skiers have it way harder. Plus, the skiers are carrying their rifles and have to shoulder on and off.
Posted by: nurse ratched at March 26, 2023 08:24 PM (U2p+3)

Sheesh.
You guys haven't seen biatherodeo have you?

Posted by: Diogenes at March 26, 2023 09:17 PM (anj39)

291 283 Do you have a white suit and a Panama hat? Do you drink mint juleps at noon? Do you talk like Foghorn Leghorn? You may own a plantation.
Posted by: Eromero at March 26, 2023 09:13 PM (MF3yS)

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Or you may be Truman Capote.

But help is available. Ask your doctor about Notruman.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at March 26, 2023 09:17 PM (s12c9)

292 294 gwb,

The vp70 was a machine pistol for the west German cops, the US civilian version keeps the 18 pound trigger of the German one.

If you bought it in Ohio in 1995 I was the guy with the mirror shades looking at it.

It and the AUG were my regret non purchases of 95.

Posted by: Sven at March 26, 2023 09:18 PM (Lzpvj)

293 281 Would guess Blomfontein would be among the least worst of the cities today. And that area generally. Only once passed it by heading to an airport for some government-sponsored tourism in a previous epoch.
Posted by: rhomboid at March 26, 2023 09:13 PM (OTzUX)

I hope to see more of the country next year when we go back for our world championships. Basically as described by Weasel, but with iron sights and a sling. No scopes, no rests.

Posted by: iron308 at March 26, 2023 09:18 PM (kF9CD)

294 Weasel Goat Ranch, Plantation Style.
Sounds like a long cool drink, don't it?

Posted by: MkY at March 26, 2023 09:18 PM (cPGH3)

295 Would it surprise you to hear I spent around a hundred dollars on pellets... most of which I tossed after 20 rounds?
There is some seriously bad low end crap on the market.
Posted by: MkY

Not surprised. I did a bunch of research before buying the avenger and then more research after I bought it.
I've spent a bit less than you; but, I have 3 more types I want to try in my 'buy later' shopping cart.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 26, 2023 09:18 PM (S4nmY)

296 I know Nate, good guy

Posted by: iron308 at March 26, 2023 09:18 PM (kF9CD)

297 Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at March 26, 2023 09:16 PM (PWe8a)
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Yep! We used to practice on Range 4. Exactly the same setup, though the scoring mechanism are a little different (spotter placement around the frames)

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 09:18 PM (RG6z4)

298 Rhomboid, I have found something similar for a wide range if military arms that service arms is always going to emphasize reliability over ultra accuracy. Swiss came closest with their k31 in bolt actions and the AR itself is no slouch in accuracy with a few tweaks.

Posted by: whig at March 26, 2023 09:19 PM (OlAjS)

299 Do you factor in the force of your sneeze into your ballistic calculations. :-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at March 26, 2023 08:46 PM (fe7in)

The pain behind the eyes makes math hard.
I generally switch to something larger when the pollen gets bad. You'd be amazed how much easier "everything in one hole" becomes when the first round is a 40mm.

(J/K. I couldn't afford a 40mm.)

Posted by: GWB at March 26, 2023 09:19 PM (NJ9MR)

300 I never say the Gub Word.
Posted by: RI Red at March 26, 2023 08:47 PM (WpZib)

Hah! Neither would I! "PCP" is a way to get treated so much better!

Posted by: GWB at March 26, 2023 09:20 PM (NJ9MR)

301 Posted by: iron308 at March 26, 2023 09:18 PM (kF9CD)
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Yep. Absolutely. His wife was a shooter on the team I coached. Great gal!

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 09:21 PM (RG6z4)

302 The Coat of Arms would be a Goat pulling a John Deere tractor,
Posted by: RI Red

I read "the Goat of Arms". It just didn't sound right; but, I thought: Hey it's Weasel, then I re-read it.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 26, 2023 09:21 PM (S4nmY)

303 dating advice... goat advice?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at March 26, 2023 08:48 PM (2YtOq)

There are similarities.
(That one is for all the Navy vets.)

Posted by: GWB at March 26, 2023 09:22 PM (NJ9MR)

304 225 Years back there was talk of trying to set up an "historic biathlon", which would be quite different. Not high-end skate skis on groomed trails, and fancy Anschutz rifles.

Mountaineering skis, snow shoes, service bolt-action rifles, shooting from cover at reactive profile steel targets. Of course terrain and forest cover would be issues.

Woulda been great. Obviously difficult to set up more than once or twice, don't think they ever got it going.
Posted by: rhomboid

This sounds like so much fun! Seriously. I'd do it.

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 26, 2023 09:22 PM (U2p+3)

305 "You got any guns or weapons?"
"I dunno... got a PCP or two..."
"You're good! Carry on citizen!"

Posted by: MkY at March 26, 2023 09:23 PM (cPGH3)

306 OK, 9:23 thank you time!

Thank you!

I really do appreciate you all being here tonight. This one went by fast!

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 09:23 PM (RG6z4)

307 Thanks back at you Weasel.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 26, 2023 09:23 PM (S4nmY)

308 Thanks back at you Weasel.
Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 26, 2023 09:23 PM (S4nmY)

Ditto!

Posted by: Diogenes at March 26, 2023 09:24 PM (anj39)

309 Later, weasel! Have a good evening and thanks!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at March 26, 2023 09:24 PM (2YtOq)

310 Fast, but fun.

(That's what she said.)

Posted by: RI Red at March 26, 2023 09:24 PM (WpZib)

311 In fact, holding the World Championships is a feather in SABU's cap that allows helps it's position when negotiating to use the military ranges and helping to justify firearms licensing to it's members.
Posted by: iron308

Ah, thanks. That makes a lot of sense.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at March 26, 2023 09:26 PM (J+qpY)

312 Thanks for posting the targets, weasel. I enjoy putting holes in paper consistently, and I love trying to make those holes smaller and smaller!

Posted by: MkY at March 26, 2023 09:27 PM (cPGH3)

313 Some of my pals who have been there before say the situation off base can be sketchy.
Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 09:02 PM (RG6z4)

A co-worker is there right now, taking care of relatives. Her laptop actually died because the power was out for over 8 hours.

Posted by: GWB at March 26, 2023 09:28 PM (NJ9MR)

314 Just saying hi and reading the goat ranching tips.

Posted by: Iris at March 26, 2023 09:28 PM (foa6+)

315 I'm giggling about the goat.

Thank you weasel!
*smooch!*

Posted by: nurse ratched at March 26, 2023 09:28 PM (U2p+3)

316 Posted by: iron308 at March 26, 2023 09:18 PM (kF9CD)
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Iron308 - would you mind dropping me a line?

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 09:29 PM (RG6z4)

317 314 Just saying hi and reading the goat ranching tips.
Posted by: Iris at March 26, 2023 09:28 PM (foa6+)

Howdy {{{Iris}}}!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at March 26, 2023 09:29 PM (v23vE)

318 Posted by: RI Red at March 26, 2023 09:14 PM (WpZib)

And Weasel carrying an M1. Don't forget the Garand!

Posted by: GWB at March 26, 2023 09:31 PM (NJ9MR)

319 One more comment before I go. I took weasel's advice to heart, and put the superior bag under the stock, instead of on top of my flexible beanbag when shooting.
Improved my efforts enough to show the results.

Posted by: MkY at March 26, 2023 09:31 PM (cPGH3)

320 Thanks, Gentleman Weasel, and his menagerie.

Posted by: RI Red at March 26, 2023 09:32 PM (WpZib)

321 Line dropped

Posted by: iron308 at March 26, 2023 09:33 PM (kF9CD)

322 If you bought it in Ohio in 1995 I was the guy with the mirror shades looking at it.

Posted by: Sven at March 26, 2023 09:18 PM (Lzpvj)

LOL! No, I think it was a gun show in Idaho, '93 or '94. And, yes, the trigger pull sucks. But if I could come up with that holster, I'd pay the stamp tax in a heartbeat!

(Though I think a spring is sprung, as it was getting light strikes last time I had it out. It's been a closet queen since then.)

Posted by: GWB at March 26, 2023 09:34 PM (NJ9MR)

323 Posted by: Iris at March 26, 2023 09:28 PM (foa6+)
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I'm pretty much a goat ranching expert now, so let me know if you have questions.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 09:35 PM (RG6z4)

324 Posted by: MkY at March 26, 2023 09:31 PM (cPGH3)
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Excellent!!!!!

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 09:36 PM (RG6z4)

325 Thx weasel for gun thread and all the content providers and commenters. Have surgery on hand and elbow coming up this week and possibly back surgery soon. The thread has at least let me enjoy other people's range reports.

Posted by: whig at March 26, 2023 09:36 PM (OlAjS)

326 I figured out why sra blaster shoots better than me. I am stubborn and I think I just need to aim better at the same point. She will adjust her point of aim.

Posted by: blaster at March 26, 2023 09:36 PM (wZY3B)

327 Posted by: nurse ratched at March 26, 2023 09:28 PM (U2p+3)
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Aw, shucks...

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 09:36 PM (RG6z4)

328 Have surgery on hand and elbow coming up this week and possibly back surgery soon.

Yow. Best wishes for good outcomes and fast recoveries.

Posted by: Oddbob at March 26, 2023 09:38 PM (nfrXX)

329 Posted by: whig at March 26, 2023 09:36 PM (OlAjS)
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Best of luck with that, whig!

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 09:38 PM (RG6z4)

330 Good evening to everyone and thank you Weasel. No range stuff for me this weekend. Hopefully next week

Posted by: Coelacanth at March 26, 2023 09:38 PM (OCzl8)

331 Affirmative on the G-Rand, GWB!

Posted by: RI Red at March 26, 2023 09:39 PM (WpZib)

332 The thread has at least let me enjoy other people's range reports.
Posted by: whig

I enjoy your comments.
Prayers for successful surgery and complete recovery.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at March 26, 2023 09:39 PM (S4nmY)

333 I've found the perfect "for me", surplus, used CZ stock for the Mauser '98 receiver I've had in the safe for the past fifteen years or so. Said receiver has only two markings, those being a finely stamped serial number, and the other being a small "Zastava" imprint on the other side of the receiver ring. Otherwise, straight up commercial Mauser 98, same as you'd find on an Interarms MkX. And it's never, ever had a single part assembled to it.

I've got a Mauser MkX I'm going to cannibalize for it's bolt assembly, bolt stop and (for now), the trigger and safety. Later, I'll upgrade the trigger and safety.

Also to be bought, a steel trigger guard/magazine assembly. The aluminum one on the donor MkX are simply inadequate.

Barrel. E.G. Shaw, Shelin, other? I'm thinking classic .30-'06, with twist rate optimized for 150gr to 168gr bullets. I've gotta get the project going, before I become a truly old man!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 26, 2023 09:39 PM (e6UQI)

334 252 I think I should be a "rancher" now, too!
Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 08:14 PM (RG6z4)

There's probably a gov't subsidy for it!

But you have to choose between "Gentleman Farmer Weasel" and "Rancher Weasel". I think the laws of the universe won't allow "Gentleman Farmer Rancher Weasel."
Posted by: GWB at March 26, 2023 08:59 PM
I was the guy in Walmart the day they stopped selling ARs. They had three Colts at less than $700. I said I'd be right back to get them and went to get a tub to put them in and when I got back they were gone.

Posted by: Eromero at March 26, 2023 09:43 PM (MF3yS)

335 Jim, have you made sure that the Yugo receiver is not an intermediate action like a lot of them are. Hoosier Gun works has a handy reference for Mauser receiver specs as does a few other reference manuals. A second issue is that Mausers typically have the ammo feedlips forged in the receiver itself unless modded and that is for a specific cartridge such as 8x57 Mauser which is shorter and fatter than the 30.06.

Have to open that up a bit to feed. The intermediate typical Yugo receiver though does well with minimal mods for anything based on the 308 family.

Posted by: whig at March 26, 2023 09:48 PM (OlAjS)

336 Thanks all for well wishes. Sucks not to be able to do much.

Posted by: whig at March 26, 2023 09:49 PM (OlAjS)

337 I said I'd be right back to get them and went to get a tub to put them in and when I got back they were gone.

I suppose there is no gun that I really, truly, absolutely could not live without but I have learned that when you find one you that really want, don't turn your back on it for a second.

Posted by: Oddbob at March 26, 2023 09:49 PM (nfrXX)

338 I'm pretty much a goat ranching expert now, so let me know if you have questions.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 09:35 PM (RG6z4)

Milk 'em so I can make goat cheese, and I'll cook you a goat cheese and bacon pizza in three minutes!

[Please to build a 900F pizza oven first]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 26, 2023 09:51 PM (XIJ/X)

339 For want of a tub, three AR's were lost.

Sad.

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 09:52 PM (RG6z4)

340 And I'm done for the night. Thanks again for hosting, Weasel and thanks to all the Horde for sharing your knowledge and wit.

Posted by: Oddbob at March 26, 2023 09:52 PM (nfrXX)

341 ...and possibly back surgery soon...

Posted by: whig at March 26, 2023 09:36 PM (OlAjS)

I've had two. The difference in technology and recovery between 2004 and 2019 was astounding.

best bang for your medical buck in the world!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 26, 2023 09:53 PM (XIJ/X)

342 Oddbib, very true. Even more so for used firearms.

Posted by: whig at March 26, 2023 09:53 PM (OlAjS)

343 The range I pulled targets at used a plastic pin to hold the spotter.
When someone blew one of those pins to pieces it made a distinct sound.
If the target backing was cardboard you'd have to notify the shooting lane of target repair since it usually blew a large hole in it.

Posted by: Erebus- ex-killer whale at March 26, 2023 09:54 PM (mrpcl)

344 Whig, sounds like a collision with an immoveable object. What happened?

Posted by: RI Red at March 26, 2023 09:56 PM (WpZib)

345 MHONT is up!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana - again! ~ at March 26, 2023 09:56 PM (hOUT3)

346 Thx CBD,. Met too many people with tales of woe about it but coming to the point of something having to be done bc interference w nerves.

Posted by: whig at March 26, 2023 09:56 PM (OlAjS)

347 Posted by: Oddbob at March 26, 2023 09:52 PM (nfrXX)
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My pleasure, Oddbob!

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 09:56 PM (RG6z4)

348 344 inflammatory arthritis RI Red. Mine was in remission until COVID hit.

Posted by: whig at March 26, 2023 09:57 PM (OlAjS)

349 OK! ONT is up and MisHum has kicked us to the curb. Hope you all have a great week and hope to see you here next Sunday!

Nite!

Posted by: Weasel at March 26, 2023 09:58 PM (RG6z4)

350 Posted by: whig at March 26, 2023 09:56 PM (OlAjS)

I recently had a microdiscectomy. Amazing tech that allowed me to walk out of the hospital eight hours after they began surgery.

Great neurosurgeon with cutting edge tech and training. Nothing like people who know what they are doing!

I'm happy to give you more info....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 26, 2023 09:59 PM (XIJ/X)

351 Ugh, Whig. BTW, I had back surgery in 2000, done at my wife's hospital, by a true expert. Resounding success.
I'm sure the tech is even better now.

Posted by: RI Red at March 26, 2023 10:00 PM (WpZib)

352 Thanks so much, Weasel.

Posted by: The Weasel Goat at March 26, 2023 10:01 PM (Xrfse)

353 Ooops. Goat sock off. Still mean it!

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 26, 2023 10:01 PM (Xrfse)

354 CBD please, on phone now but I have exhausted non surgical options.

Posted by: whig at March 26, 2023 10:02 PM (OlAjS)

355 ..Have to open that up a bit to feed. The intermediate typical Yugo receiver though does well with minimal mods for anything based on the 308 family. Posted by: whig at March 26, 2023 09:48 PM (OlAjS)

It is a straight up duplicate in every way to the Interarms MkX receiver, except for the lack of rollmarks for branding, logo or such. The long-action .30-'06 out of the donor rifle fits it like a champ, bolt handle closing right down as it ought.

I think that CZ/Zastiva must've made a run of these to be kept outside of the historic Interarms, Charles Daly and Remington branded manufacturing runs of these rifles.

Straight up Commercial Mauser '98. No thumb notch in the side-rail for pressing a stripper clip full of rounds down into the magazine. No stripper clip guide cut into the rear-ring. Factory drilled and tapped for scope mounts, with flush, screws to fill the holes till needed.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 26, 2023 10:04 PM (e6UQI)

356 Thanks, Weasel!

Posted by: RI Red at March 26, 2023 10:06 PM (WpZib)

357 226 Wait, not only do we do medical and dating advice, but, we're now offering goat advice?

This truly is a full service blog.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(2YtOq) at March 26, 2023 08:48 PM

On the Leftwing sites, the dating advice and goat advice are on the SAME thread!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 26, 2023 10:07 PM (HlyYF)

358 ONT is up!

Thanks Weasel

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at March 26, 2023 10:07 PM (HlyYF)

359 Oh, and LOTS of Get Well Whig thoughts and prayers going out, too.

You need any Horde Help, you know you've only to ask.

And I'm serious about that, from my end. Betcha others are, too.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 26, 2023 10:09 PM (e6UQI)

360 Weasel, GREAT gun thread, sir!

And now, I shall hie me forth to yonder ONT.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 26, 2023 10:11 PM (e6UQI)

361 Posted by: RI Red at March 26, 2023 10:06 PM (WpZib)
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my pleasure, bro.

Posted by: weasel at March 26, 2023 10:14 PM (RG6z4)

362 Thx Jim and glad you have one of the commercial types.

Posted by: whig at March 26, 2023 10:14 PM (OlAjS)

363 Posted by: Jim at March 26, 2023 10:11 PM (e6UQI)
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thanks, Jim!

Posted by: weasel at March 26, 2023 10:15 PM (RG6z4)

364 Posted by: whig at March 26, 2023 10:02 PM (OlAjS)

cbd dot aoshq at geemail dot com

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