Gun Thread: End of January Edition!

Howdy, Y'all! Welcome to the wondrously fabulous Gun Thread! As always, I want to thank all of our regulars for being here week in and week out, and also offer a bigly Gun Thread welcome to any newcomers who may be joining us tonight. Howdy and thank you for stopping by! I hope you find our wacky conversation on the subject of guns 'n shooting both enjoyable and informative. You are always welcome to lurk in the shadows of shame, but I'd like to invite you to jump into the conversation, say howdy, and tell us what kind of shooting you like to do!

Aaannnd just like that we find ourselves at the end of January, hence the title of this week's Gun Thread. You see, if it were the beginning of January, we'd have called it something like "Beginning of January Edition." But it's not, so we didn't. Frankly, it's all very complicated and is why someone like me is necessary to help figure these things out.

Programming Note: I probably won't be around much tonight because of a family dinner thing we have planned. Y'all please don't burn the place down, 'kay?

With that, step into the dojo and let's get to the gun stuff below, shall we?

I picked up my new Colt Python snub nose (3" barrel) revolver and headed out for the range. 158 grain FMJ from Fiocchi in .357 Magnum are a bit of a handful fired out of this revolver. The large grips are crucial for keeping control when firing .357 Magnum in double action.

.38 Special (130 grain FMJ here) is much easier to control compared to .357 Magnum. Muzzle blast is significantly less, and the revolver doesn't beat up on you nearly as much. The new Python scrubs up quite nicely too. In this picture, it wears ivory service grips from Nutmeg Sports. It's shown for contrast with a vintage Colt Python snub nosed revolver from the 1960s finished in Colt's Royal Blue.

So, a careful count of the Colt Pythons in the center picture above returns an approximate number of two. That's right, Ed L was not satisfied with one of these beautiful revolvers, so he went out and got another!

This is my Colt AR-15 SP 1, she's a late seventies model. Notice the "slab side" lower receiver with no fence around the mag release button. Also, on the upper receiver no forward assist and no shell deflector. The bcg does have serrations for the forward assist. We have the triangular hand guards, 20-inch pencil barrel 1:12 twist with birdcage flash hider and an ominous bayonet lug. Peep rear sight adjustable for windage and front post adjustable for elevation. The rear receiver take-down pin is similar to today's AR but up front is a pair of screws. I don't know the definitive answer as to why that is.

As is it's a handy rifle, amazingly light compared to standard service rifles now. It shoots around 2 1/2-inch groups at 100 yards until the barrel heats up, then it starts to really open up, a 50% IPSC target @100 becomes a challenge. The recoil is exceptionally light and smooth more so than my newer AR's with 16-inch barrels and mid length gas tubes. The trigger is not very good compared to trigger groups available today.

I remember back in the day the old guys had M1 Garands and M1 carbines, friends had Ruger mini 14's that were much more popular, my "Mattel" rifle was looked down on!

Weasel has one of these too, and not only is it a great rifle, but has also turned out to be a great investment with prices now in excess of $2k. Amazing!

Next up, pur pal No One of Consequence shares details of his inaugural range trip!

I had, in previous weeks, pestered the Horde for pistol recommendations, as I was planning my first ever trip to a gun range for an Intro to Pistols class, followed by a brief bit of range time. And of course the Horde came through in spades! I had to reschedule my class, but was able to get to the range this past week. The class covered the basics, and was brief. I already knew much of what the instructor talked about, mostly from what I absorbed from folks talking guns on various threads.

I ended up going with what the range folks recommended, and used a Glock 19. The instructor said the people are often startled the first time they fire a gun, and so it was for me. The first target was at 5 yards, and then 7.5 yards, 10 yards, 12.5 yards, and 15 yards - 10 shots each. It was the same target each time, so I don't know how I did at each distance. I can say I hit the silhouette most of the time, and don't think I ever missed the target completely, though I clearly was pulling down and to the left.

I had fun at the range, and plan to get back sometime to improve my shooting so thanks so much to the Horde for their excellent advice!

Excellent, No One of Consequence! Range time is fun time, don't you think? Please let us know how the next trip goes!

The reaction course is relatively simple: two Q targets, separated by one lane. Distances are 10/7/5 yards, starting at the 10. The shooter has 20 seconds to put two in the small box of the body section of target 1, the body section of target 2, the head triangle of target 2, the head triangle of target 1, 1 in the orange rectangle of target 1, and 1 in the orange rectangle of target 2 (so, 2-body 2-body 2-head 2-head 1-OR 1-OR). If you don't want to spend that many rounds, make it one each.

Hits are only in the small box, the triangle, the orange rectangle, or within ½ an inch of the 'fatal T' line. As the range shortens, so does the time, to 15 seconds and 10, respectively. The time limit is meant to be challenging but attainable One of my co-workers who breathes, sleeps and eats gunfire got all hits from the 5 in 6 seconds. Afterwards, we critique based on the shooter's hits or misses, observed technique and offer feedback. If they're hesitant the first time, just have them run it without time to see how they do.

The next is a system we call 'Blackwater' and back when there was lots of 911 money, Blackwater actually came out and set this up for us. So, 12 six-inch plates, 6 per side, with 1 steel silhouette between them. Each shooter has 3 magazines, loaded 6/6/6. From the 10-yard line, the shooter has 45 seconds to knock down all plates and hit the silhouette at least once. This is used as a 'separator' test for our tactical guys, because it is so easy to screw it up. A hit on a plate doesn't always knock it down. Sometimes it bounces back up. Worse, a miss makes everyone freak out, especially if you have observers. It seems like a vast amount of time and ammo, and it evaporates quickly under stress.

Very nicely done, Xenophon! That looks like an excellent drill. Thanks!

Dodge City 1872

Fun Fact: The series Gunsmoke is one of the few things I'll watch. on TV. In B&W, of course. Great find, WTM!

Reloading 101- Part Dos: Gear Setup 4/14/2019

This week we're going to start setting up some of the shiny new reloading gear we discussed last week. But before we do, a couple more housekeeping items. As a reminder, please do not list specific load powder charge weights when discussing reloading. If you like, you can mention the powder you're using and the velocity, but unlike the food thread, let's keep the specific recipes to yourself. Thanks.

Next, throughout this series, I am going to discuss reloading for the .38 Special. It's an easy cartridge to work with and generally forgiving for the new reloader. However, the concepts discussed here are applicable to any straight-walled handgun cartridge. We will save rifle cartridge reloading for another time. 'Kay?

Finally, I'd like to reiterate this material is intended for the novice reloader. We're fortunate to have reloaders here with years of experience, but for now let's keep the information basic.

One of the first considerations is where to set up your reloading operation. I know benchrest shooters who reload in their vehicles at the range, and others with enormous setups occupying large spaces at their home. Let's assume you will at least be indoors and after that, all that's really required is a modest amount of workspace if you're using a basic single-stage press. What makes a good reloading location? I'd say there are a few key elements. A quiet place to work undisturbed and uninterrupted, in a comfortable and climate-controlled area. You will need a reasonably solid bench or countertop workspace about 36 to 48 inches wide. This is just a approximation and you may find you need slightly more or slightly less space, depending on how you like to work. If you have a basement area where you can spread out that's great, but I want to assure those in a smaller home, an apartment or condo for example, can reload just as effectively as everyone else. A kitchen counter will work fine. For those in that situation, I will give you an idea below for keeping your reloading setup easy to breakdown and store in a medium size storage tub.

Tips for selecting and reloading in your work area:
- locate the bench away from direct air flow from forced air vents, ceiling fans, etc.
- store powder and primers in original containers in a cool, stable environment.
- whenever possible, choose a quiet area, free from foot traffic and other distractions.
- plan your reloading session so you can complete different steps entirely, with logical break points.
- never, ever, ever have more than one type of powder on the bench at a time.
- always check your work. If something looks or feels funny, stop and investigate.

The Press

I'm going with the assumption you have purchased a single stage reloading press like the one shown above. You will note that it's a sturdy piece of steel designed to be bolted to the edge of a workbench. I'm lucky to have a nice, but by no means expansive, countertop workspace in our laundry room. It's in a quiet part of the basement without distraction, and WeaselWoman was nice enough to get all of her stupid laundry shit out of the way and allow me to take over what's supposed to be a folding area. I did not want to drill mounting holes in the countertop, so I mounted my press(es) on a short double thickness of 1"x 6" pine board and use two 4" C clamps to fix the assembly into place on the countertop. Just countersink the bolt heads so the board rests flush, and it's every bit as solid as if it were bolted directly to the countertop. When configured in this manner, the gear can be easily stored away between reloading sessions. The important point is to mount the press to the board or directly to a bench in a way so the ram function of the press is not impeded, so play around with the setup and operation before you start drilling holes!

Press setup on kitchen counter

Press setup alt view - note bolts

Countersunk holes on bottom of base

Your press is the primary tool on your bench. I'm right-handed so I have my press on the right side of the workspace. The press is just that; a device with a mechanical ram that moves up and down when the handle is pulled. It doesn't do much by itself without reloading dies, which screw into the top of the press and perform different functions. Brass cartridge cases are shaped and resized under pressure produced by the ram and die, and in order to achieve the necessary small tolerances they need to be setup carefully. You will check the die function with precision measuring tools such as the calipers and case gauge included on last week's shopping list.

Reloading Dies - What the heck are they and why do I need them?
Reloading dies size and shape the brass cartridge and are caliber specific so, for example, you cannot reload .45 ACP cartridges with dies made for the .38 Special. This means you need separate dies for each caliber you plan on reloading. In order for a new or used case to be reloaded, it first needs to be sized to certain specifications for the cartridge. These specifications are maintained by SAAMI the organization that makes sure a specific cartridge fits properly into the specific chamber designed to fire it. An extensive catalog of cartridge specifications are maintained online and it's a great resource.

General Die Setup and Adjustment
Most dies simply screw into the top of the press. Hornady presses use an additional sleeve that locks into the press that makes changing dies a little quicker, but they all work basically the same way.

NOTE: Dies are shipped from the manufacturer with a coating of something as a rust inhibitor which should be removed before they are used the first time. Simply take apart the dies and spray with a cleaning solvent; Ballistol, WD-40, Hoppes 9 - whatever you have handy, and wipe clean (with a cloth!). It's not a bad idea to keep them very lightly oiled if you are in a high humidity location. Just a light spray is all you need, which can be removed before you use them again with a chamber mop.

To setup a die for the first time, perform the following steps:
- insert appropriate caliber press shellholder into the top of the ram. It just snaps into place.
- without a cartridge in place, lower the handle to raise the press ram to it's uppermost position.
- screw the die body into the press, so the bottom of the die just touches, or is very slightly above the top of the shellholder.
- screw the locking ring on the die body down until it rests on the top of the press and tighten the set screw.
- as you begin work, you may find small adjustments are necessary - simply loosen the locking ring, adjust the die, and tighten the ring and set screw.
- sometimes when the locking ring is set it makes the die difficult to remove from the press. A few whacks on the locking ring with a rubber mallet will usually do the trick.
- once properly set, you should not usually need to make additional adjustments. Simply screw in the die until it's stopped by the locking ring. Specific considerations for individual die setup are discussed below.

A properly set die will perform its function at the top of the ram stroke, just as the lever begins to cam over and stop, and without a great amount of force. This is an important point. An improperly set die will return inconsistent results due to the application of variable force, and possibly damage the case. As you gain experience, you will notice many steps are done based on the feel of the amount of force required to complete them. Anytime anything changes, STOP WORKING, and investigate. Each step should be completed smoothly and without a huge effort. If you find yourself needing to use a lot of muscle, then something isn't working right and needs to be corrected.

A good video on die setup is here. A couple of points - the guy in the video has various interpretations of the word "cannelure" (can-ne-lure), and also doesn't seem to embrace the use of the die locking ring. Other than that, it's a fairly decent look at the process of setting up the 3 dies in your set. The press he is using is slightly different design, but the die setup instructions all still apply. There are a bazillion videos on reloading, so look around if this guy bugs you. If you find yourself actually doing any of this and have questions, please feel free to email Gun Thread technical support who will be happy to help!

You'll recall last week we talked about the dies and the functions they perform in the reloading process. Let's review them in a little more detail now, including ways the setup differs among the three dies.

Sizing Die
When a cartridge is fired, it expands against the chamber wall to seal the breech, then snaps back a little but not quite all the way. Depending on the chamber, the fired case may be several thousandths of an inch (.00X") larger in diameter than it was before firing. The sizing die simply returns the case to the correct pre-fired diameter. You will notice a pin sticking out beneath the sizing die. That's the de-capping pin and it punches out the used primer. In a new or unprimed case the pin is just along for the ride. The screw and smaller locking ring on the very top of the die are used to replace or make adjustments if needed to the de-capping pin depth which should be set to just pop out the used primer. To setup a sizing die just follow the steps above.

Expander Die
The second, or expander die is used to very slightly flare the mouth of the case to accept the bullet. Set up the die as described earlier so the bottom of the die is barely touching or just above the shellholder. Next, adjust the expander plug inside the die using the smaller screw and lock ring on the top of the die. When properly adjusted, the expander die will flare the case mouth by a few thousandths of an inch to accept the bullet. It's a barely perceptible amount to the naked eye, but it allows the bullet to begin the seating process without being shaved by the edge of the case mouth. Use caution to avoid oversizing the case which can lead to reduced case life.

Seating and Crimping Die
The third die in the set performs two operations. It seats the bullet to the desired depth and applies a slight crimp to the case mouth to hold the bullet in place. There are two steps to setting up a seating/crimp die. First, back the seating stem screw on the top of the die counterclockwise, or up, most of the way and then screw in the die body into the press until the bottom is a couple of turns above the shellholder. Next, place a dummy (unprimed and without powder!) sized and expanded case into the shellholder and place a bullet on top. Now cycle the press and advance the seating stem by small increments until the bullet is seated to the desired depth (more on this later) checking the overall length with calipers or using a case gage. Now back out the seating stem several full turns.

Leaving the cartridge on the ram in the full up position, screw in the die until you begin to feel the resistance of the cartridge. Lower the ram and advance the die in small increments, raising the ram after each adjustment and checking until the desired crimp is achieved. Bullets with a cannelure (groove) will require more downward adjustment to achieve a "roll" crimp, where the case mouth is very slightly curved into the cannelure. Cartridges which headspace on the case mouth (.45ACP for example) require less downward adjustment of the die body to achieve a "taper" crimp. Do not roll crimp jacketed bullets without a cannelure as you may damage the jacket, and again, do not roll crimp any cartridge that headspaces on the mouth of the cartridge, taper crimp these instead. Now lower the locking ring and tighten the set screw on the die body.

Finally, you will need to reset the seating stem. With the dummy cartridge on the ram in the full up position, lower the seating stem screw until you feel it stop against the top of the bullet and simply tighten the upper locking ring. The die is now configured to seat and crimp in a single step.

We'll discuss the various measurements as we begin the step-by-step reloading process. For now, we simply want to have the dies configured approximately. We will discuss making small final adjustments later.

NEXT WEEK: Setting up the powder dispenser and scale!

Cigar of the Week

This week our pal rhomboid scores again with this excellent review of the Caldwell's King is Dead

Robert Caldwell is an unconventional American cigar blender who seems to avoid the beaten path. He has most of his cigars made in the Dominican Republic, where he also sources a lot of his leaf, including unusual or little used varieties. And so with his King is Dead, which uses rare leaf such as HVA 20/20 and Negrito. I found this stick to have excellent construction, meaning an easy draw and perfectly even burn. For flavor notes, I got an overall subtle sweetness that reviewers describe as vanilla, and a hint of baking spices on the finish. A nice medium bodied cigar that may strike a slightly different note than most things in your humidor, available online for around $6 and up. I plan to explore Caldwell's other offerings. He has an interesting line of one-time releases called Lost & Found, sourced largely from leaf or cigars he and his team find scouring factories and warehouses. As I said, he seems to follow a slightly different path.

Excellent, rhomboid! Thank you!

Here are some different online cigar vendors. You will find they not only carry different brands and different lines from those brands, but also varying selections of vitolas (sizes/shapes) of given lines. It's good to have options, especially if you're looking for a specific cigar.

Cigarsinternational.com
Cigarpage.com
Famous-smoke.com
Cigarsdaily.com
Neptunecigar.com
Smallbatchcigar.com
Bobalu Cigar Company
Cigarbid.com

A note about sources. The brick & mortar/online divide exists with cigars, as with guns, and most consumer products, with respect to price. As with guns - since both are "persecuted industries", basically - I make a conscious effort to source at least some of my cigars from my local store(s). It's a small thing, but the brick & mortar segment for both guns and tobacco are precious, and worth supporting where you can. And if you're lucky enough to have a good cigar store/lounge available, they're often a good social event with many dangerous people of the sort who own scary gunz, or read smart military blogs like this one. -rhomboid

Anyone have others to include? Perhaps a small local roller who makes a cigar you like? Send me your recommendation and a link to the site!

Ammo Link-O-Rama
I'm really very seriously not kidding around anymore. Buy Ammo
AmmoSeek - online ammo search tool
GunBot - online ammo search tool
SG Ammo
Palmetto State Armory
Georgia Arms
AmmoMan
Target Sports USA
Bud's Gun Shop

This week's mailbag entry is from our pal WTM. Man, no shit!

Please note the new and improved protonmail account gunthread at protonmail dot com. An informal Gun Thread archive can be found HERE. Future expansion plans are in the works for the site Weasel Gun Thread. If you have a question you would like to ask Gun Thread Staff offline, just send us a note and we'll do our best to answer. If you care to share the story of your favorite firearm, send a picture with your nic and tell us what you sadly lost in the tragic canoe accident. If you would like to remain completely anonymous, just say so. Lurkers are always welcome!

That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Comments

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1 Yay! Gun thread!

Posted by: GWB at January 29, 2023 07:00 PM (B7zYP)

2 Draw!

Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2023 07:00 PM (xhxe8)

3 AND a first.
/buffs nails on shirt/

Posted by: GWB at January 29, 2023 07:01 PM (B7zYP)

4 Actually that's what I was doing waiting for the gun thread

Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2023 07:01 PM (xhxe8)

5 Here. With a bullet. Or two.

Posted by: RI Red at January 29, 2023 07:01 PM (+5YjI)

6 Nice review rhomboid.
Danke!

Posted by: Diogenes at January 29, 2023 07:03 PM (anj39)

7 Bang

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 29, 2023 07:03 PM (Q4IgG)

8 Hello, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at January 29, 2023 07:05 PM (/lmRp)

9 The Python does look nice

Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2023 07:06 PM (xhxe8)

10 Who's inside the wire of the Cozy Cave?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 29, 2023 07:07 PM (a3Q+t)

11 Evening everyone!!

Off to read the content

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 29, 2023 07:07 PM (fe7in)

12 Bang! See that? Bullseye!

Posted by: Eromero at January 29, 2023 07:08 PM (0OP+5)

13 Ready on the firing line!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at January 29, 2023 07:09 PM (hOUT3)

14 Can anyone put me in some f'n knowledge?
When did Mac 10 style open bolt semi auto go off the California roster?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at January 29, 2023 07:10 PM (dCtRx)

15 No shooting this week. Blaster recommended that I contact Kimber after the problem with the firing pin that he fixed but said should never have happened. I had a moment of panic that in the excitement of getting the pistol I had misplaced the paperwork. We'll, surprisingly, it was all neatly filed and in one place. Looks like I even registered it with a Kimber.
Now I just have to deal with it along with all the other paperwork I have procrastinated about.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 29, 2023 07:12 PM (Y+l9t)

16 Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2023 07:06 PM (xhxe

And they're now starting to appear on LGS shelves. At least that's where I got mine from. There shouldn't be any need to pay above MSRP for a snub nose Python if that's what you want.

Posted by: Ed L at January 29, 2023 07:12 PM (/lmRp)

17 Have not shot a round in over a month. Back pain issues have kept me away from the range and it sucks.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 29, 2023 07:14 PM (uNylN)

18 Hey, Scoobs! Been to the range today?
I have!

Posted by: RI Red at January 29, 2023 07:15 PM (+5YjI)

19 Ed L, you have been showing some nice looking firearms. Damn jealous of ya!

Xenophone, there is white stuff on the ground at your range. At the advanced age of 29 I am looking for warmer climates for me to go out into. I am letting my firearms hibernate for now.
But that is an interesting drill you created. And some darn good shooting according to your targets!! Nice!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 29, 2023 07:15 PM (fe7in)

20 This connection is going to last through this comment if I am lucky, miss ya'll.

Posted by: Ben Had at January 29, 2023 07:16 PM (lQWj/)

21 Hey. Top 20!
Good evening everyone

Posted by: Coelacanth at January 29, 2023 07:16 PM (OCzl8)

22 though I clearly was pulling down and to the left
I know us internet "experts"* aren't supposed to be listened to just on the basis of that information, but my first guess - being that it's your first time out and you admit to being startled - is you're anticipating the recoil a little. Probably the most common problem there is. Thing goes BANG!, jerks in our hands, we want to control it.

I'm still working on it.

But very nice range report, indeed. Glad you enjoyed it!

Posted by: GWB at January 29, 2023 07:16 PM (B7zYP)

23 Blaster recommended that I contact Kimber after the problem with the firing pin that he fixed but said should never have happened.

Refresh me. I know it was the firing pin sticking in a forward position but I thought it was just a cleaning thing. Is there something else mechanically wrong with the pin or slide?

Posted by: Oddbob at January 29, 2023 07:17 PM (nfrXX)

24 Mac 10 went off the CA roster shortly after a mass shooting event on 101 California St.
That was the weapon the shooter used.
I dunno, early 1990's I'm guessing.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at January 29, 2023 07:17 PM (jTmQV)

25 Indoors range is my only option

Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2023 07:18 PM (xhxe8)

26 RI Red!! Nice!! I am afraid to ask what the temps were up there. Brrrrrr I bet. ;-)

What were you shooting? Practicing for the next aspirin challenge? Or letting your 6.5 stretch its legs?

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 29, 2023 07:18 PM (fe7in)

27 Ed L., nice pistoleros!
Jr. has some Ruger .357s that look good/shorts well. I think I need/want a Colt. Just for comparison.

Posted by: RI Red at January 29, 2023 07:18 PM (+5YjI)

28 Pair of pythons is purty

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 29, 2023 07:18 PM (XtkZj)

29 Ben Had!! Good to hear from you!

Hope all is well and the hogs are making themselves scarce. ;-)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 29, 2023 07:19 PM (fe7in)

30 This thread is a highlight of my week! Except for range day itself of course...

Posted by: Bushi Bear at January 29, 2023 07:19 PM (ytRub)

31 Bang! See that? Bullseye!
Posted by: Eromero at January 29, 2023 07:08 PM

According to Ben Had a few weeks ago, you're better than that.

She said you could dock a male fly on a pickup at 50 yards, so it wouldn't be a bullseye, it would be a fly ball.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 29, 2023 07:19 PM (a3Q+t)

32 I love that t-shirt. Straight and to the point.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 29, 2023 07:20 PM (XtkZj)

33 Slow night.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 29, 2023 07:21 PM (nfrXX)

34 Okay, this is the second week in a row I can't add anything to the reloading write-up. Annoying!

Nice job, Weasel.

Posted by: JTB at January 29, 2023 07:22 PM (7EjX1)

35 * Oh, the asterisk...
I was reading somewhere this week someone who criticized folks who diagnose a shooter's problems based solely on one of those diagnostic targets or based on a pic of a target. While he's right, and you really need to be there to understand what's going on, there is something to be accomplished (I think) by saying "You might start looking here" and giving a shooter a boost.

Posted by: GWB at January 29, 2023 07:22 PM (B7zYP)

36 Wow EdL ...

The old Royal Blue finish was wonderful. Always a treat to see one. Thanks for sharing. I pine a bit for the Standard 1911 in RB

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at January 29, 2023 07:22 PM (MEbkQ)

37 Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at January 29, 2023 07:10 PM (dCtRx)

I don't know specifically about CA, but the ATF has never liked semi-automatic actions that fire from an open bolt. Case in point: the original Model 1927 Thompson. Although Auto-Ordinance made it as a semi-automatic firearm, ATF classifies it as a Class 3 (aka full auto) firearm. That's because it's relatively simple (and illegal) to convert an open bolt semi-automatic to full auto. I understand that ATF came after the MAC-10 and MAC-11 big time specifically because they were relatively easy to illegally modify to go full auto only. Today's retro Thompsons (and imported Uzi carbines) have had their actions modified to fire from a closed bolt specifically to keep the ATF at bay.

Posted by: Ed L at January 29, 2023 07:23 PM (/lmRp)

38 33 Slow night.
Posted by: Oddbob at January 29, 2023 07:21 PM (nfrXX


Doubt we'll make good tips tonight.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 29, 2023 07:23 PM (XtkZj)

39 I like those drills, Xenophon!

Posted by: GWB at January 29, 2023 07:25 PM (B7zYP)

40 Howdy, thread host Weasel, and fine gub 'ettes and 'rons from around the world!. No One of Consequence, congrats on the inaugural class -- gubs are nice and all, but training is important.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 29, 2023 07:26 PM (B97yp)

41 please stop emailing me for videos on South Korean shovel production
But, Weasel, we need to properly execute the second 'S', and that requires a quality shovel!

Posted by: GWB at January 29, 2023 07:26 PM (B7zYP)

42 Odd Bob, hoping it was just a cleaning thing. If Blaster shows up he can answer the technical thing. My understanding is that the firing pin slipped out of position. When I went to shoot after he cleaned it, it didn't fire. He was able to push the firing pin back into position and we fired about 20 rounds through it before we had to quit and it worked just fine. (Smiling because the group was just lovely). I'll probably know more after this coming weekend as I'll start with it and make sure I put a bunch of rounds through it.

Posted by: Sharon(willow's apprentice) at January 29, 2023 07:27 PM (Y+l9t)

43 What I find most interesting with the Korean factory is astronomical number of what in a US factory would be safety issues. But, I have to say, I didn't see any worker with only three fingers so there's that.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 29, 2023 07:27 PM (qoGsy)

44 33 Slow night.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 29, 2023 07:21 PM

I blame the weather. Might as well close down some of the stations as we are not getting the customers tonight.

Such is the draw of the Weasel-san.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 29, 2023 07:27 PM (fe7in)

45 But, Weasel, we need to properly execute the second 'S', and that requires a quality shovel!
Posted by: GWB

This guy gets it!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at January 29, 2023 07:27 PM (hOUT3)

46 Everyone should email Weasel on their favorite canoes and kayak

Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2023 07:28 PM (xhxe8)

47 Gonna go out on a limb and say there is not a single machine or wiring junction box in that shovel factory that is in code.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 29, 2023 07:29 PM (uNylN)

48 plan your reloading session so you can complete different steps entirely, with logical break points.
Weasel. I was wondering about that. The "all in one" presses aren't "all at once", are they? You do one set of things, then the next set of things, not take one cartridge and do A, B, C, D, then E, then put it away and start the next one, right?

Posted by: GWB at January 29, 2023 07:30 PM (B7zYP)

49 Posted by: SecondCityLurker at January 29, 2023 07:22 PM (MEbkQ)

SCL, if you have $$ burning a hole in your checkbook, Royal Blue is an available finish for 1911s special ordered from the Colt Custom Shop. You'll have to be VERY patient, though.

Posted by: Ed L at January 29, 2023 07:31 PM (/lmRp)

50 shooting event on 101 California St.

That attorney who shot up his firm? I was temping at an ad agency across the street as that went down, they told us to stay away from the windows.

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at January 29, 2023 07:31 PM (dCtRx)

51 . . . Although Auto-Ordinance made it as a semi-automatic firearm, ATF classifies it as a Class 3 (aka full auto) firearm. That's because it's relatively simple (and illegal) to convert an open bolt semi-automatic to full auto. . . .
Posted by: Ed L

A governmental agency (ATF) stretching the law beyond recognition due to the possibility of a citizen making something illegal.

Imagine that!

Posted by: Tonypete at January 29, 2023 07:31 PM (qoGsy)

52 Ed L "SCL, if you have $$ burning a hole in your checkbook"

Oh nice! Thanks. I'll have to look into that. Just what I need, another temptation.

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at January 29, 2023 07:34 PM (MEbkQ)

53 Slow night.
--------------------
Maybe too slow.

I don't like it.

I don't like one bit.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 29, 2023 07:34 PM (Vwz3I)

54 so 2026 is a 250 year celebration huh?
A quarter millennium, and a mere 150 years(ish) of Empire.

Will we make it intact?
*shakes magic 8 ball*

ask again later.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 29, 2023 07:34 PM (FCbAQ)

55 hiya

Posted by: JT at January 29, 2023 07:35 PM (T4tVD)

56 Posted by: RI Red at January 29, 2023 07:18 PM (+5YjI)

I think the current crop of Colt's double action revolver offerings have triggers that are better than their counterparts of yesteryear. The current Python's double action trigger pull is better than its predecessor from the 1960s. The older guns still take the prize when it comes to the finishes, though.

Posted by: Ed L at January 29, 2023 07:36 PM (/lmRp)

57 Maybe too slow.

I don't like it.

I don't like one bit.
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 29, 2023 07:34 PM

Tomato harvesting season in Italy, like Pride Month, must await warmer seasons.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 29, 2023 07:36 PM (a3Q+t)

58 Ed L, you have some really sweet and interesting revolvers.

Posted by: screaming in digital at January 29, 2023 07:39 PM (ELYbr)

59 Damn jealous of ya!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 29, 2023 07:15 PM (fe7in)

You're not the only one! It's not fair.
/shoves hands into pockets, pouts, scuffs shoe in the dirt/

It is another pretty Colt Ed L has.

Posted by: GWB at January 29, 2023 07:39 PM (B7zYP)

60 Speaking of Pythons and checkbooks ... I had a chance at a lovely 70's era 6" .357. Wonderful woman, parting with her Marine, husband's cabin gun. Great stories about coming home to find a bear coming out of the cabin with an apple in one hand and a bar of soap in the other ... Wish I'd been able to meet her price. Sometimes it's just about meeting people with great stories to tell.

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at January 29, 2023 07:39 PM (MEbkQ)

61 Slow night.
--------------------
Maybe too slow.

I don't like it.

I don't like one bit.
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 29, 2023 07:34 PM

Somewhere in the distance, a dog barked....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 29, 2023 07:40 PM (Wnv9h)

62 Talk me out of this

https://bityl.co/Gtti

It looks exactly like my 1990 FN Highpower, except mine ha Cocobolo grips. I paid $800 for the real FN some years ago and these Turks are $499.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 29, 2023 07:41 PM (yQpMk)

63 Weasel. I was wondering about that. The "all in one" presses aren't "all at once", are they? You do one set of things, then the next set of things, not take one cartridge and do A, B, C, D, then E, then put it away and start the next one, right?

There are progressive presses where you have a series of die positions and the cartridge rotates through the positions so that for each pull of the handle, one case is getting sized, one is getting powder dropped, one is getting a bullet seated, and one is getting crimped. For a single-stage as shown above, you are correct. You size a batch of cases, switch dies, charge a bunch of cases, switch dies, etc.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 29, 2023 07:41 PM (nfrXX)

64 Tomato harvesting season in Italy, like Pride Month, must await warmer seasons.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 29, 2023 07:36 PM (a3Q+t)

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Imagine the emptiness in all of our lives if it wasn't for the excitement of black history month.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 29, 2023 07:42 PM (Qzn2/)

65 Slow night.
--------------------
Maybe too slow.

I don't like it.

I don't like one bit.
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 29, 2023 07:34 PM (Vwz3I)


The drums have stopped!

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 29, 2023 07:42 PM (yQpMk)

66 61 Somewhere in the distance, a dog barked....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 29, 2023 07:40 PM

The wind hissed through the gnarled branches of the dead oak tree....

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 29, 2023 07:43 PM (fe7in)

67 48 plan your reloading session so you can complete different steps entirely, with logical break points.
Weasel. I was wondering about that. The "all in one" presses aren't "all at once", are they? You do one set of things, then the next set of things, not take one cartridge and do A, B, C, D, then E, then put it away and start the next one, right?
Posted by: GWB at January 29, 2023 07:30 PM (B7zYP)
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Hey guys - just poking my head in - it's WW's Bday dinner nite. Anyhoo, there are several 'stations' on the multi-process presses. One for sizing, another for powder, bullet seating, etc.... so the case visits each station as the press advances and a different process takes place. I'm not smart enough to keep track of all that.

Posted by: Weasel at January 29, 2023 07:44 PM (WoIMU)

68 G'rump928 ... haven't I seen some decent road tests of the EAA? It's certainly affordable

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at January 29, 2023 07:44 PM (MEbkQ)

69 Imagine the emptiness in all of our lives if it wasn't for the excitement of black history month.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at January 29, 2023 07:42 PM

Wait...there's a month for that?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at January 29, 2023 07:44 PM (Wnv9h)

70
"The drums have stopped!
Posted by: G'rump928(c) "

Charlie was close. You could smell the French Toast he had for breakfast.

Posted by: fd at January 29, 2023 07:44 PM (iayUP)

71 Are those Shmoo targets or giant milk bottles?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 29, 2023 07:45 PM (63Dwl)

72 The current Python's double action trigger pull is better than its predecessor from the 1960s.
Posted by: Ed L at January 29, 2023 07:36 PM (/lmRp)

Having shot both of Ed L's 4" Pythons (one older, one newer) I will absolutely concur on the actions - double and single. But both still better than my EAA Windicator 4". (I'm trying to save my pennies, but someone is making that more difficult than it should be.)

Posted by: GWB at January 29, 2023 07:45 PM (B7zYP)

73 Posted by: Tonypete at January 29, 2023 07:31 PM (qoGsy)

To be fair to the ATF, all you needed to do was to remove the semi-automatic firing parts and drop in the full auto ones. Model 1927 Thompsons are EXTREMELY rare with their original semi-automatic parts inside. Most were converted to full auto at some point. Supposedly, the number of Model 1927 Thompsons still in original condition is less than ten. As such, they are even more expensive than a full auto Thompson today.

Posted by: Ed L at January 29, 2023 07:45 PM (/lmRp)

74 Hey guys - just poking my head in - it's WW's Bday dinner nite. Anyhoo, there are several 'stations' on the multi-process presses. One for sizing, another for powder, bullet seating, etc.... so the case visits each station as the press advances and a different process takes place. I'm not smart enough to keep track of all that.
Posted by: Weasel at January 29, 2023 07:44 PM (WoIMU)


Ooooo!!!
I'm thinking steak and lobster.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 29, 2023 07:45 PM (anj39)

75 Talk me out of this
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 29, 2023 07:41 PM (yQpMk)

Aw, go on. I Double dog dare ya.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at January 29, 2023 07:46 PM (PWe8a)

76 Pitiful old man question...

How in the hell do you load the 30+ capacity mags for PCC (pistol caliber carbine) in 9mm without an assist?

I have a Ruger PCC in 9mm that will accept Glock mags. I have 4. 2 are 30+ round mags. I cannot load, by hand, more than 15 or 20 rounds before my fingers give out. Springs are like monumental in retention.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 29, 2023 07:47 PM (Q4IgG)

77 62 Talk me out of this

https://bityl.co/Gtti

It looks exactly like my 1990 FN Highpower, except mine ha Cocobolo grips. I paid $800 for the real FN some years ago and these Turks are $499.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 29, 2023 07:41 PM
Last week Atwoods Farm and Ranch, held a Springfield SA35 in my hand $650 plus tax, with the money in my pocket. Told self leave now or else. Gone today when I was there. Shoulda coulda. Is she standing behind me?

Posted by: Eromero at January 29, 2023 07:47 PM (0OP+5)

78 Posted by: Oddbob at January 29, 2023 07:41 PM (nfrXX)

Yeah, progressive presses are what I was thinking of. So those are "almost all at once", kinda. Sorta.

Posted by: GWB at January 29, 2023 07:47 PM (B7zYP)

79 Talk me out of this

https://bityl.co/Gtti

It looks exactly like my 1990 FN Highpower, except mine ha Cocobolo grips. I paid $800 for the real FN some years ago and these Turks are $499.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 29, 2023 07:41 PM


I shot a buddies Browning high power last year. That pistol had the absolute best trigger with the shortest trigger reset of any handgun I have ever fired. IMO it is the holy grail of semi auto pistols.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 29, 2023 07:47 PM (uNylN)

80 Ooooo!!!
I'm thinking steak and lobster.

I'm thinking steak and lobster but I'm eating a PBJ.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 29, 2023 07:48 PM (nfrXX)

81 Posted by: Weasel at January 29, 2023 07:44 PM (WoIMU)

Oddbob straightened me out.

Posted by: GWB at January 29, 2023 07:48 PM (B7zYP)

82 The current Python's double action trigger pull is better than its predecessor from the 1960s.
Posted by: Ed L at January 29, 2023 07:36 PM (/lmRp)

"Better than"?
A friend had a late 70's Python and not too long ago I got to play with it at a range. It was absolutely the best double-action I've ever shot, and the results spoke for themselves on paper. No "shelf", no increase in pull through the range, just pull and bang.

I can't imagine how it gets better.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 29, 2023 07:49 PM (FCbAQ)

83 I'm thinking steak and lobster but I'm eating a PBJ.
Posted by: Oddbob at January 29, 2023 07:48 PM (nfrXX

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I'd rather have ham in my sandwich tonight but complaining won't do any good.

Posted by: Roy Rogers at January 29, 2023 07:49 PM (Qzn2/)

84 62 Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 29, 2023 07:41 PM

Asking the wrong crowd. We would brow beat ya to buy, buy BUY!!

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 29, 2023 07:49 PM (fe7in)

85 >>> 14 Can anyone put me in some f'n knowledge?
When did Mac 10 style open bolt semi auto go off the California roster?
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at January 29, 2023 07:10 PM (dCtRx)

It was never *on* the roster, Comrade.

Posted by: California State Government at January 29, 2023 07:50 PM (llON8)

86 "The drums have stopped!
Posted by: G'rump928(c) "

Charlie was close. You could smell the French Toast he had for breakfast.

Posted by: fd at January 29, 2023 07:44 PM


The Maple syrup scent was strong when Charlie came over the wire.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 29, 2023 07:50 PM (uNylN)

87 Charlie was close. You could smell the French Toast he had for breakfast.
Posted by: fd at January 29, 2023 07:44 PM (iayUP)

That's because he put maple syrup on it.

Posted by: GWB at January 29, 2023 07:50 PM (B7zYP)

88 80 I'm thinking steak and lobster but I'm eating a PBJ.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 29, 2023 07:48 PM

Franks n' beans here (looks down mournfully at bowl)

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 29, 2023 07:51 PM (fe7in)

89 Maybe Weasel needs to call Mr Puller to beat to Quarters

Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2023 07:51 PM (xhxe8)

90 Oh, and WD is firmly situated on top of the Cozy Cave tonite.

Posted by: Weasel at January 29, 2023 07:51 PM (WoIMU)

91 Talk me out of this

I don't think you understand how this works. Watching somebody else spend $$ on a gun is the next best thing to spending $$ on a gun yourself. Sometimes even better.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 29, 2023 07:51 PM (nfrXX)

92 Love that 1872 Dodge City photo, especially the percussion rifle store sign on the post in front of the shop. I guess that's in case they miss the 3 foot lettering on the sign. Or if they can't read at all.

Posted by: JTB at January 29, 2023 07:51 PM (7EjX1)

93 Imagine the emptiness in all of our lives if it wasn't for the excitement of black history month.
====
Local news pimping it here tonight too even though it's three days away.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 29, 2023 07:51 PM (Vwz3I)

94 Hey Weasel, thanks for the thread as always. You made an excellent point about tactile feedback from your single stage presses. I do all my resizing on single stage presses and you can feel it in your brass if you're loads are a little hot, it's just one of several indicators. Hand priming tells you if your primer pockets are getting a little loose. All in all it's great fun. Too much snow to shoot here right now, can't get up the road, but the skiing has been good!!

Posted by: ck at January 29, 2023 07:51 PM (NSvQe)

95 Happy birthday WW, bacon wench emeritus !

Posted by: Ben Had at January 29, 2023 07:52 PM (lQWj/)

96 Guns!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 29, 2023 07:52 PM (xcxpd)

97 Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 29, 2023 07:50 PM (uNylN)

Jinx!

Posted by: GWB at January 29, 2023 07:53 PM (B7zYP)

98
I don't even want a shovel but I want one of THOSE shovels!

Posted by: comradearthur at January 29, 2023 07:53 PM (qBOKC)

99 FWIW another vote - Shot my coach's old and new Pythons last week while deciding on Colt vs Smith. The new Python was definitely smoother than older, "sweeter" than Smith.

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at January 29, 2023 07:53 PM (MEbkQ)

100 Sometimes even better.
Posted by: Oddbob at January 29, 2023 07:51 PM (nfrXX)

Especially if you don't have the $$$.

Posted by: GWB at January 29, 2023 07:54 PM (B7zYP)

101 95 Happy birthday WW, bacon wench emeritus !
Posted by: Ben Had at January 29, 2023 07:52 PM
Lotta famous people born on this date.

Posted by: Eromero at January 29, 2023 07:55 PM (0OP+5)

102 "The drums have stopped!
Posted by: G'rump928(c) "

Charlie was close. You could smell the French Toast he had for breakfast.

Posted by: fd at January 29, 2023 07:44 PM

The Maple syrup scent was strong when Charlie came over the wire.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 29, 2023 07:50 PM (uNylN)
***
Little did charlie realize.they had stumbled into the only Canadian battalion in their AO.
The fighting was close, hey.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 29, 2023 07:55 PM (anj39)

103 I have a Ruger PCC in 9mm that will accept Glock mags. I have 4. 2 are 30+ round mags. I cannot load, by hand, more than 15 or 20 rounds before my fingers give out. Springs are like monumental in retention.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 29, 2023 07:47 PM

Two words: Maglula Uplula.

https://www.maglula.com/product/uplula/

Get one from a reputable place (Academy usually has them, as well as the usual suspects mail order). I'd avoid the 'Bay especially, and even Amazon.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at January 29, 2023 07:55 PM (a3Q+t)

104 Range report, feel free to skip.

Went to WCA with the Nurse and Lazy Messenger to make holes in paper. I was intending to do some more PSA Dagger training but that got cut short. I also had my G20 with some nice .40 S&W ammo I wanted to try in it.

The good news, .40 shoots just fine through a 10mm pistol and magazines, at least from this one. Since ammo prices are about the same either way, not a big deal but...good info to have. The G20 SF is a fine shooting pistol, though a bit beefy even with the Short Frame.

The bad part was the front sight of my PSA Dagger came loose again and was spinning around like crazy. I didn't notice until I was done with my Dot Torture drill (which went pretty well, overall). So, since my Glock front sight tool has STILL not arrived, I'll probably have to pay a gunsmith to tighten it up and loctite it down. This is the first real problem the PSA Dagger has had in ~1400....if we don't count the odd brass ejection that happened twice. Maybe we should. Or maybe I should clean the pistol more often than once ever 1200 rounds

Anyway, despite the short round count, I had a pretty good time.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 29, 2023 07:57 PM (xcxpd)

105 Re Pythons old v new, Colt redesigned the action for the new one so that the mainspring does not cause stacking in double action.

Posted by: whig at January 29, 2023 07:57 PM (dv/5/)

106 Maybe too slow.

I don't like it.

I don't like one bit.

FSJ has a long mustache.

Posted by: WD, double naught spy at January 29, 2023 07:57 PM (Xrfse)

107 Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 29, 2023 07:49 PM (FCbAQ)

I understand that skilled gunsmiths could work the old Python's action to get rid of the stacking effect that hampered smooth double action trigger pulls. The Colt Custom Shop also offered its "Ultimate" action job that did essentially the same thing on new Pythons through the 1990s.

Posted by: Ed L at January 29, 2023 07:58 PM (/lmRp)

108 On a related note, Fuck West Coast Armory. Never buy a weapon there or transfer one there. They have jacked up their transfer fees to ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS.

Fuck them, fuck them, fuck them in their greedy collective assholes.


....nice firing range, though.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 29, 2023 07:58 PM (xcxpd)

109 Two words: Maglula Uplula.
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Mine works well although they're only 10-round magazines.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 29, 2023 07:58 PM (Vwz3I)

110 although they're only 10-round magazines... so I can't comment on loading 30s I should have added.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 29, 2023 07:59 PM (Vwz3I)

111 Charlie was close. You could smell the French Toast he had for breakfast.

Posted by: fd at January 29, 2023 07:44 PM

The Maple syrup scent was strong when Charlie came over the wire.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 29, 2023 07:50 PM (uNylN)
***
Little did charlie realize.they had stumbled into the only Canadian battalion in their AO.
The fighting was close, hey.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 29, 2023 07:55 PM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJE3EgTGg9k

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 29, 2023 08:00 PM (uNylN)

112 Eromero, your birthday too?

Posted by: Ben Had at January 29, 2023 08:00 PM (lQWj/)

113 Tom Selleck, W.C. Fields.

Posted by: Eromero at January 29, 2023 08:00 PM (0OP+5)

114 On a related note, Fuck West Coast Armory. Never buy a weapon there or transfer one there. They have jacked up their transfer fees to ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS.

Fuck them, fuck them, fuck them in their greedy collective assholes.


....nice firing range, though.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 29, 2023 07:58 PM (xcxpd)
***

Damn!

Posted by: Diogenes at January 29, 2023 08:00 PM (anj39)

115 I shot a buddies Browning high power last year. That pistol had the absolute best trigger with the shortest trigger reset of any handgun I have ever fired. IMO it is the holy grail of semi auto pistols.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 29, 2023 07:47 PM (uNylN)

He must have done a LOT of work on that trigger. I have a stock Hi Power and its a bag of saggy ass. I mean, not as bad as a CZ 100 but...still a bag of saggy ass.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 29, 2023 08:01 PM (xcxpd)

116 Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 29, 2023 07:47 PM

What Duncanthrax said. For about $30, your fingers will thank you in advance.

Posted by: Ed L at January 29, 2023 08:01 PM (/lmRp)

117 Thanks Whig ...

"Colt redesigned the action for the new one so that the mainspring does not cause stacking in double action."

Huh. Didn't know. They DO feel very different, don't they?

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at January 29, 2023 08:01 PM (MEbkQ)

118 The good news, .40 shoots just fine through a 10mm pistol and magazines, at least from this one.

I assume you know this but for some of the less experienced...

When you do this, you are counting on the extractor to hold the case tightly enough for the firing pin to activate the primer. If the case were to slip off the extractor, it would just slide forward into the chamber and lie there. Definitely not something you would want to risk for a SHTF gun.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 29, 2023 08:01 PM (nfrXX)

119 67 ... "it's WW's Bday dinner nite"

Happy birthday to Weasel Woman. Hope it's a lovely dinner.

As a long time cast bullet shooter, WW usually makes me think 'wheel weight'. I hope Weasel Woman will forgive my confusion. At least the lapse is gun related.

Posted by: JTB at January 29, 2023 08:02 PM (7EjX1)

120 I have a stock Hi Power and its a bag of saggy ass. I mean, not as bad as a CZ 100 but...still a bag of saggy ass.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 29, 2023 08:01 PM (xcxpd)

I took the magazine safety out of mine and it helped somewhat.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 29, 2023 08:02 PM (yQpMk)

121 Tom, W.C., and Eromero.

Posted by: Eromero at January 29, 2023 08:03 PM (0OP+5)

122 Just back from lamb chops on the grill.
Scoobs, Aspirin Shoot today, so .22. Tied for third. 24 degrees, balmy.
Have an idea about the thing, you know, the thing.
Will circulate soon. How does mid-June sound for you?

Posted by: RI Red at January 29, 2023 08:04 PM (Yn34e)

123 And, yes, Happy Horde Birthday to Weasel Woman!
May you have many more.

Posted by: GWB at January 29, 2023 08:04 PM (B7zYP)

124 I wanna try Xenophon's drills

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 29, 2023 08:04 PM (xcxpd)

125 121 Tom, W.C., and Eromero.
Posted by: Eromero at January 29, 2023 08:03 PM
And WeaselWoman. Us old boys in good company.

Posted by: Eromero at January 29, 2023 08:04 PM (0OP+5)

126 120 I have a stock Hi Power and its a bag of saggy ass. I mean, not as bad as a CZ 100 but...still a bag of saggy ass.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 29, 2023 08:01 PM (xcxpd)

I took the magazine safety out of mine and it helped somewhat.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 29, 2023 08:02 PM (yQpMk)

Sounds like a good idea, from everything I've heard. But...not something I'd do for myself, probably.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 29, 2023 08:05 PM (xcxpd)

127 Have an idea about the thing, you know, the thing.

The one that goes up?

Posted by: Oddbob at January 29, 2023 08:05 PM (nfrXX)

128 Weasel, were you considering a review of Larry Corriea's new book, In Defense of The Second Amendment? I could try to finish it for next week.

(It came as a surprise gift to myself. I forgot I had pre-ordered it on my Kindle back in August. "Hey, what's this new book doing here")

Posted by: GWB at January 29, 2023 08:06 PM (B7zYP)

129 118 The good news, .40 shoots just fine through a 10mm pistol and magazines, at least from this one.

I assume you know this but for some of the less experienced...

When you do this, you are counting on the extractor to hold the case tightly enough for the firing pin to activate the primer. If the case were to slip off the extractor, it would just slide forward into the chamber and lie there. Definitely not something you would want to risk for a SHTF gun.
Posted by: Oddbob at January 29, 2023 08:01 PM (nfrXX)

Good warning. If you want to do this, make sure you're inspecting your extractor. My G20 has relatively little wear (for one of my guns) and is in fine shape.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 29, 2023 08:07 PM (xcxpd)

130 I understand that skilled gunsmiths could work the old Python's action to get rid of the stacking effect that hampered smooth double action trigger pulls. The Colt Custom Shop also offered its "Ultimate" action job that did essentially the same thing on new Pythons through the 1990s.
Posted by: Ed L at January 29, 2023 07:58 PM (/lmRp)

I'll have to ask my friend if he or the guy he sold it to (his best man) ever had work done to it. When his buddy died his wife had him sell her hubby's collection because she didn't have a clue what they were worth.
While he was back in possession of his old gun we went to the range a coupla times. Very nice, but I didn't want to pay 3k plus for what might be yet another tulip bulb. A little part of me was thinking it's maybe the best tulip bulb ever, but still...

Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 29, 2023 08:07 PM (FCbAQ)

131 Happy birthday, Eromero!

Posted by: JTB at January 29, 2023 08:08 PM (7EjX1)

132 Posted by: Oddbob at January 29, 2023 08:01 PM (nfrXX)

Since I don't own a gun in either caliber, I had wondered whether firing .40 in a 10mm was a good idea. Sounds rather iffy.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at January 29, 2023 08:08 PM (PWe8a)

133 122 Posted by: RI Red at January 29, 2023 08:04 PM

I like the idea of mid June. There is a new holiday I can take advantage of.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 29, 2023 08:08 PM (fe7in)

134 Double action. Is that still 20 bucks?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 29, 2023 08:08 PM (XtkZj)

135 Hmm. Once owned a Hi-Power and really liked it. Found it to be acceptably serviceable, trigger and all.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 29, 2023 08:09 PM (Xrfse)

136 I have a 5 stage progressive press and a 4 stage turret press as well as my single stage. I leave my progressive set up for 223 but only use 3 stations, charge, set and crimp. I do the same thing with the turret but in 308. Putting primers in with a multi stage press sucks, it's the most likely thing to screw up then you have other cartridges involved. I do 80% of everything on my single stage . If you get locking die inserts that match your press for each die, you never have to adjust them, just drop them in the press and they're adjusted exactly the same as the last 20 times you used them.

Posted by: ck at January 29, 2023 08:09 PM (NSvQe)

137 Posted by: SecondCityLurker at January 29, 2023 08:01 PM (MEbkQ)

You'll have to shoot the original and new Pythons side by side to really get how the action feels different between them. It's a small, but distinct difference that becomes apparent after shooting rounds through both.

Posted by: Ed L at January 29, 2023 08:09 PM (/lmRp)

138 Good warning. If you want to do this, make sure you're inspecting your extractor. My G20 has relatively little wear (for one of my guns) and is in fine shape.

And to tie the thought into the actual thread content (what?), another advantage of reloading is that you can, for example, load 10mm cases down to .40 power levels if you want to.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 29, 2023 08:09 PM (nfrXX)

139 I shot a buddies Browning high power last year. That pistol had the absolute best trigger with the shortest trigger reset of any handgun I have ever fired. IMO it is the holy grail of semi auto pistols.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 29, 2023 07:47 PM (uNylN)

He must have done a LOT of work on that trigger. I have a stock Hi Power and its a bag of saggy ass. I mean, not as bad as a CZ 100 but...still a bag of saggy ass.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 29, 2023 08:01 PM


His is factory original with no trigger work at all. He has had it in the box for decades and brings it out to shoot once in a while. It's the only one I have ever shot so I have nothing to compare it to.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 29, 2023 08:12 PM (uNylN)

140 Since I don't own a gun in either caliber, I had wondered whether firing .40 in a 10mm was a good idea. Sounds rather iffy.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen

SOB, I may be wrong, but I think .40/10 mm is the same situation as .38/.357.

Posted by: RI Red at January 29, 2023 08:13 PM (Yn34e)

141 Early night for me.

Hope everyone has a great week!

Thanks Weasel and happy birthday WW!! And Eromero!!

RI Red, look forward to hearing from you.

Posted by: Scuba_Dude at January 29, 2023 08:13 PM (fe7in)

142 OK, so to try to liven up the thread a bit...

I shot an M&P Shield 2.0 in my October class on which I wrote a report a few Gun Threads ago, but the instructor suggested with my hand size that I try to upgrade to a larger gun. He felt that I wasn't getting a proper grip on the draw from the holster, and that was affecting my accuracy.

Thankfully, as I've been carelessly canoeing since then, I'm now looking at following his suggestion. I'll also add to the mix that I had (damned canoe, again) a PCC that accepts Glock magazines, so I have a few of those that I was able to salvage from the water.

So, especially to them as have larger hands, what suggestions do y'all have for my larger-gun shopping?

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 29, 2023 08:14 PM (B97yp)

143 Posted by: OneEyedJack at January 29, 2023 08:07 PM (FCbAQ)

Now that the new Pythons are on LGS shelves, get a new Python if you want to shoot the thing. Get the vintage ones for the finishes of yesteryear to look at. It's highly unlikely that we'll ever see Royal Blue, nickel, or e-nickel finishes ever again on standard production handguns from Colt ever again.

Posted by: Ed L at January 29, 2023 08:15 PM (/lmRp)

144 48
Weasel. I was wondering about that. The "all in one" presses aren't "all at once", are they? You do one set of things, then the next set of things, not take one cartridge and do A, B, C, D, then E, then put it away and start the next one, right?

Posted by: GWB at January 29, 2023 07:30 PM (B7zYP)

Depends on the press. Progressive (hate that word) presses have several "stations" or positions, and do multiple operations on multiple cartridges at the same time. A fired shell casing starts in the size/deprime station, then "progresses" to the priming station, where it gets a primer inserted. At the same time, the next fired casing is in the size/deprime station. Next, the first shell shell casing moves to the powder drop station, while the second casing is being primed, and the third casing is being deprimed. After that, the first casing gets a bullet inserted, the second gets powder, the third gets primed and a new casing is being sized/deprimed.

With a single stage press, you typically do one operation on a bunch of cases, then change dies and do the next operation on that same set of cases.

Posted by: a.moron at January 29, 2023 08:15 PM (F6Xpw)

145 135 Hmm. Once owned a Hi-Power and really liked it. Found it to be acceptably serviceable, trigger and all.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 29, 2023 08:09 PM
My first HiPower was in 72, beautiful and a good shooter if using JHP. Let it get away from me, I have another one Western German Police 1949 but it's a vanity thing. l I will either buy an SA35 or a new Browning HP cause dangit I want one bad enough to sell something else. Almost.

Posted by: Eromero at January 29, 2023 08:16 PM (0OP+5)

146 I shot an M&P Shield 2.0 in my October class on which I wrote a report a few Gun Threads ago, but the instructor suggested with my hand size that I try to upgrade to a larger gun. He felt that I wasn't getting a proper grip on the draw from the holster, and that was affecting my accuracy.

Thankfully, as I've been carelessly canoeing since then, I'm now looking at following his suggestion. I'll also add to the mix that I had (damned canoe, again) a PCC that accepts Glock magazines, so I have a few of those that I was able to salvage from the water.

So, especially to them as have larger hands, what suggestions do y'all have for my larger-gun shopping?
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 29, 2023 08:14 PM (B97yp)

Exact same reason I switched from the shield to the SW M&P 2.0. In the mid size it's a much better fit for my mitts.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 29, 2023 08:16 PM (XtkZj)

147 Yo, Weasel Boss!
If you thought I was insufferable with my recent .22 range reports, just wait!
I accurized my Ruger 10-22.
Text and pictures.

Posted by: RI Red at January 29, 2023 08:16 PM (Yn34e)

148 Posted by: Ed L at January 29, 2023 08:09 PM (/lmRp)

Thanks Ed. I went with the 43" 686 for now. Will probably add a Python at some point, maybe one with the longer barrel. Really starting to appreciate shooting revolvers. All new for me.

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at January 29, 2023 08:16 PM (MEbkQ)

149 Posted by: a.moron at January 29, 2023 08:15 PM (F6Xpw)

Excellent explanation. Thank you!

Posted by: GWB at January 29, 2023 08:17 PM (B7zYP)

150 So, especially to them as have larger hands, what suggestions do y'all have for my larger-gun shopping?
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy

Try the CZ Model 75 SP-01. When I handled my buddy's (don't even you guys) it had a terrific hand and grip feel.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 29, 2023 08:18 PM (qoGsy)

151 I went with the 43" 686 for now.
Posted by: SecondCityLurker at January 29, 2023 08:16 PM (MEbkQ)

Yowza! 43 inches? Is that like a punt pistol?

Posted by: GWB at January 29, 2023 08:18 PM (B7zYP)

152 So, especially to them as have larger hands, what suggestions do y'all have for my larger-gun shopping?
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 29, 2023 08:14 PM
FNX45 Tac.

Posted by: Eromero at January 29, 2023 08:19 PM (0OP+5)

153 43" ... damn, couldn't correct that one!

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at January 29, 2023 08:19 PM (MEbkQ)

154 Yowza! 43 inches? Is that like a punt pistol?

GWB, it's bragging.

Posted by: RI Red at January 29, 2023 08:20 PM (Yn34e)

155 Should probably specify whether this is a carry gun or a drawer gun.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 29, 2023 08:20 PM (XtkZj)

156 Exact same reason I switched from the shield to the SW M&P 2.0. In the mid size it's a much better fit for my mitts.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 29, 2023 08:16 PM (XtkZj)

Thanks, AlaBAMA. I like the reliability of the Shield and assume the M&P 2.0 would be similarly reliable.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 29, 2023 08:20 PM (B97yp)

157 > Maglula Uplula.
____________

Yea... I've got those. Not worth shit (for me) on these 30+ mags. Can not depress the spring enough to get round 20 - 30+.

Like I said... old man thing. No strength in the hands or fingers.

Try again. Is there an assisted mechanical device to auto load these types of magazines. Yes, or no?

Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 29, 2023 08:21 PM (Q4IgG)

158 Try the CZ Model 75 SP-01. When I handled my buddy's (don't even you guys) it had a terrific hand and grip feel.
Posted by: Tonypete at January 29, 2023 08:18 PM (qoGsy)

I resisted the "big hands" innuendo, so I feel your pain, sir.

Thanks. Hope you're enjoying your new area of operations.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 29, 2023 08:21 PM (B97yp)

159 Thanks, AlaBAMA. I like the reliability of the Shield and assume the M&P 2.0 would be similarly reliable.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 29, 2023 08:20 PM (B97yp)

That's my new carry for a month now. My life depends on it.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 29, 2023 08:21 PM (XtkZj)

160 So, especially to them as have larger hands, what suggestions do y'all have for my larger-gun shopping?
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 29, 2023 08:14 PM

Both my HK 45 and Glock 19x fit my big mitts pretty well. Likewise my Sig 229.

Posted by: SecondCityLurker at January 29, 2023 08:21 PM (MEbkQ)

161 SOB, I may be wrong, but I think .40/10 mm is the same situation as .38/.357.
Posted by: RI Red at January 29, 2023 08:13 PM (Yn34e)

Did not know that. Interesting. And another reason I love the collective knowledge base on this thread.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at January 29, 2023 08:21 PM (PWe8a)

162 Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 29, 2023 08:14 PM (B97yp)

How about the Walther PDP? I've heard a lot of good things about this pistol, especially for its ergonomics. If you're interested in something semi-collectible, Walther announced that it will phase out the P99. The P99
"Final Edition" should arrive on shelves shortly. If you've got huge bearpaws (and lots of $$), the HK Mark 23 has the thickest grips you can get short of a Desert Eagle. Because the Mark 23 is in .45 ACP, it's more practical than the Desert Eagle in .44 Magnum of .50 AE (but not by much).

Posted by: Ed L at January 29, 2023 08:23 PM (/lmRp)

163 Try the CZ Model 75 SP-01. When I handled my buddy's (don't even you guys) it had a terrific hand and grip feel.
Posted by: Tonypete at January 29, 2023 08:18 PM
Another excellent choice for S'npuppy's handses.

Posted by: Eromero at January 29, 2023 08:24 PM (0OP+5)

164 FNX45 Tac.
Posted by: Eromero at January 29, 2023 08:19 PM (0OP+5)

Thanks. Trying to stay with 9mm if possible, but I'll keep that in mind.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 29, 2023 08:24 PM (B97yp)

165 Ed L., I may have missed it, but how much $ are we talking about for that Colt?

Posted by: RI Red at January 29, 2023 08:24 PM (Yn34e)

166 155 Should probably specify whether this is a carry gun or a drawer gun.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 29, 2023 08:20 PM (XtkZj)

Carry, but I'm on the bigger side, so I think I could conceal a full-size pistol.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 29, 2023 08:25 PM (B97yp)

167 Thanks. Hope you're enjoying your new area of operations.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy

Thanks SP - we absolutely love it.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 29, 2023 08:26 PM (qoGsy)

168 If you thought I was insufferable with my recent .22 range reports, just wait!
I accurized my Ruger 10-22.
Text and pictures.

I'm impatient. What barrel? I have one Green Mountain that I like fine but they seem to have been ignoring the 10/22 market for a few years now with respect to actually having barrels in stock. Also, which trigger?

Posted by: Oddbob at January 29, 2023 08:26 PM (nfrXX)

169 Carry, but I'm on the bigger side, so I think I could conceal a full-size pistol.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 29, 2023 08:25 PM (B97yp

The MP comes in a 4.25 and a 5 in barrel length. Safeties and a 15 round mag. Check one out! They also have the metal version and one with optics installed.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 29, 2023 08:27 PM (XtkZj)

170 Both my HK 45 and Glock 19x fit my big mitts pretty well. Likewise my Sig 229.
Posted by: SecondCityLurker at January 29, 2023 08:21 PM (MEbkQ)

Thanks, SCL. Appreciate the data points.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 29, 2023 08:28 PM (B97yp)

171 Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 29, 2023 08:21 PM (Q4IgG)

There's a device that lays the magazine on its side with the rounds feeding into the magazine placed in a channel designed to push all of the rounds into the magazine when you push a gate device. Not sure if this causes a problem with magazine feed lips or not. This device nowhere near as compact and light as a MagLula, though. The one I saw was used by the Army to quickly load M-16 magazines for qualification ranges.

Posted by: Ed L at January 29, 2023 08:29 PM (/lmRp)

172 I resisted the "big hands" innuendo, so I feel your pain, sir.

You know what they say. Big hands, big...

gloves.

ObJoke: Why do gorillas have big fingers? Because they have big nostrils. (OK, makes more sense the other way 'round but maybe that's why it's supposed to be a joke.)

Posted by: Oddbob at January 29, 2023 08:29 PM (nfrXX)

173 How about the Walther PDP? I've heard a lot of good things about this pistol, especially for its ergonomics. If you're interested in something semi-collectible, Walther announced that it will phase out the P99. The P99
"Final Edition" should arrive on shelves shortly. If you've got huge bearpaws (and lots of $$), the HK Mark 23 has the thickest grips you can get short of a Desert Eagle. Because the Mark 23 is in .45 ACP, it's more practical than the Desert Eagle in .44 Magnum of .50 AE (but not by much).
Posted by: Ed L at January 29, 2023 08:23 PM (/lmRp)

I'm more interested in carry guns rather than collectables, and staying with 9mm, but that HK Mark 23 is a nice-looking piece of kit! Thanks, Ed L.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 29, 2023 08:30 PM (B97yp)

174 S'npuppy, Tonypete said the CZ75 SP-01. I have one and it's a good shooter which will handle 9MM 135 gr JHP. The feel is as he said, I like to say it looks and feels like a cross between a HiPower and a 1911. At this moment Saint John Moses Browning of Morgan Utah is smiling and nodding his head.

Posted by: Eromero at January 29, 2023 08:31 PM (0OP+5)

175 Hi morons!

Range with MAE and LazyMessenger was fun as always. LazyMessenger brought a Rhino revolver. It was a very different looking pistol, chambered in 9 m. The cylinder was squarish shaped and the grip was really short. It was really accurate, but handling it was kind of awkward. A really fun experience though.

I love my range buddies. They share all kinds of firearms with me that otherwise, I'd never have a chance to shoot.

For the most part, I did all one handed shooting, both strong and weak, both eyes open. With my .380 I was focused on shooting from my lower abdomen at 3 yards. It takes some getting used to, but in a close contact, emergency situation, I need to be able to hit center mass and get away quickly. May not have time or space to draw, extend both arms, aim and fire.

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 29, 2023 08:32 PM (U2p+3)

176 Posted by: RI Red at January 29, 2023 08:24 PM (Yn34e)

All Python models have an MSRP of $1499 per Colt's website. There's no reason to pay above that. Colt is moving the merchandise to deliver Pythons to LGS shelves. It's a premium price for a premium revolver.

Posted by: Ed L at January 29, 2023 08:33 PM (/lmRp)

177 The MP comes in a 4.25 and a 5 in barrel length. Safeties and a 15 round mag. Check one out! They also have the metal version and one with optics installed.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at January 29, 2023 08:27 PM (XtkZj)

That's a good selling point, actually. The Shield's 8+1 capacity was always a bit embarrassing in classes with other students whose guns held more rounds -- I had to reload a lot more.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 29, 2023 08:33 PM (B97yp)

178 ObJoke: Why do gorillas have big fingers? Because they have big nostrils. (OK, makes more sense the other way 'round but maybe that's why it's supposed to be a joke.)
Posted by: Oddbob at January 29, 2023 08:29 PM (nfrXX)

Always appreciate another entry in the dad-joke file, Oddbob!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 29, 2023 08:34 PM (B97yp)

179 The Beretta Model 92/M9 has pretty fat grips that fit my slightly smaller than large hands.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 29, 2023 08:36 PM (yQpMk)

180 174 S'npuppy, Tonypete said the CZ75 SP-01. I have one and it's a good shooter which will handle 9MM 135 gr JHP. The feel is as he said, I like to say it looks and feels like a cross between a HiPower and a 1911. At this moment Saint John Moses Browning of Morgan Utah is smiling and nodding his head.
Posted by: Eromero at January 29, 2023 08:31 PM (0OP+5)

All praise to Saint JMB, blessed be his name.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 29, 2023 08:37 PM (B97yp)

181 Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 29, 2023 08:30 PM (B97yp)

Walther says that the P99 Final Edition has an MSRP of $849, so it's not super expensive. It's only a couple hundred more than the PDP. The P99 Final Edition appears to be a bit smaller than the PDP.

Posted by: Ed L at January 29, 2023 08:37 PM (/lmRp)

182 146 There are after market magazine extenders for the Shield that extend it by about an inch (2 rounds). Have large hands as well, makes the Shield quite usable. No malfunctions with 100s of rounds.

Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at January 29, 2023 08:37 PM (mCh4j)

183 179 The Beretta Model 92/M9 has pretty fat grips that fit my slightly smaller than large hands.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 29, 2023 08:36 PM (yQpMk)

Will check it out. Thanks, G'rump!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 29, 2023 08:37 PM (B97yp)

184 Odd Bob, responded but rejected because it looks like spam.

Posted by: RI Red at January 29, 2023 08:37 PM (Yn34e)

185 Ed L., I may have missed it, but how much $ are we talking about for that Colt?

(I hope it's not a breach of etiquette responding to questions that are specifically addressed to other people.)

I just checked gunbroker. Lots of stainless Pythons starting around $1300. Older ones with the high gloss blue are asking mid-$2k range.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 29, 2023 08:38 PM (nfrXX)

186 Odd Bob, I shoot with the owner of Green Mountain.
This was a stock 10-22 and I free-floated and pillar bedded.

Posted by: RI Red at January 29, 2023 08:38 PM (Yn34e)

187 182 146 There are after market magazine extenders for the Shield that extend it by about an inch (2 rounds). Have large hands as well, makes the Shield quite usable. No malfunctions with 100s of rounds.
Posted by: EdmundBurkesShade at January 29, 2023 08:37 PM (mCh4j)

Interesting, EBS. Will check it out -- uh, I mean, assuming that my magnet-fishing expedition is successful. c

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 29, 2023 08:38 PM (B97yp)

188 Odd Bob, next upgrade is GM bull barrel and BX trigger group. But project is already shooting 1/2" at 50.

Posted by: RI Red at January 29, 2023 08:40 PM (Yn34e)

189 Odd Bob, responded but rejected because it looks like spam.

Pixy is a fickle master. I can wait for the report.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 29, 2023 08:40 PM (nfrXX)

190 Walther says that the P99 Final Edition has an MSRP of $849, so it's not super expensive. It's only a couple hundred more than the PDP. The P99 Final Edition appears to be a bit smaller than the PDP.
Posted by: Ed L at January 29, 2023 08:37 PM (/lmRp)

Intriguing. Thanks for the pointer!

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 29, 2023 08:40 PM (B97yp)

191 Odd Bob, I shoot with the owner of Green Mountain.

Tell him for me that he lost a sale to McGowen because he hasn't stocked any sporter weight barrels over 16" in the last two or three years.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 29, 2023 08:42 PM (nfrXX)

192 Good evening gubthreaders and all the ships at sea.

Was doing taxes so I am here late.

Posted by: blaster at January 29, 2023 08:43 PM (pwExq)

193 OB, I will. I put a GM spiral fluted bbl on my Ruger Precision Rimfire. Chamber too tight, so I polished the heck out of it.
Shot 8/10 decreasing size steel at 200. He said, "good shooting."

Posted by: RI Red at January 29, 2023 08:45 PM (Yn34e)

194 192 Good evening gubthreaders and all the ships at sea.

Was doing taxes so I am here late.
Posted by: blaster at January 29, 2023 08:43 PM
Mrs. E the accountant says taxes are to be submitted midnight 15 April.

Posted by: Eromero at January 29, 2023 08:46 PM (0OP+5)

195 A little update on the latest iteration of the 3D printed Frankenglock. It shoots most of the time and it has not broken. About 125 rounds through it.

But having real problems with trigger reset and going back into battery. Part of the issue is that I got an aftermarket Glock 19 slide from KM Tactical that replaced the PSA dagger slide. I should have stuck with the Dagger slide but I am hard headed and I am convinced that stuff that should work should work.

A common phrase in the 3d printed gub world is "tolerance stacking." Because you are pretty much working with everything non-OEM. In this case a printed frame, lower parts kit from your favorite auction website, frame rails and locking block from a different vendir, and now the slide from yet another. Different tolerances stack up, and stuff may not fit together when other pieces might fit together. Took some extra work with files to resolve an issue with the slide hanging just out of battery. Have yet to get it back to the range to test but I am expecting better performance.

Posted by: blaster at January 29, 2023 08:50 PM (pwExq)

196 Mrs. E the accountant says taxes are to be submitted midnight 15 April.
Posted by: Eromero at January 29, 2023 08:46 PM (0OP+5)

sra blaster the boss says you complete them now.

I am completing now.

Posted by: blaster at January 29, 2023 08:51 PM (pwExq)

197 Hiya all!
Late as usual, but I finally made it.

Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at January 29, 2023 08:52 PM (OQcP8)

198 Beautiful snake Ed L!

Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at January 29, 2023 08:52 PM (OQcP8)

199 192
'Was doing taxes so I am here late.'

Are you Ned Flanders?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 29, 2023 08:53 PM (roH4R)

200 Posted by: blaster at January 29, 2023 08:50 PM (pwExq)

Do you think "standardizing" the rest of the parts from a single manufacturer would help?

Posted by: Ed L at January 29, 2023 08:53 PM (/lmRp)

201 A common phrase in the 3d printed gub world is "tolerance stacking." Because you are pretty much working with everything non-OEM.
Posted by: blaster at January 29, 2023 08:50 PM (pwExq)

I'm encouraged by the notion that a community in that particular 3-D printed world exists.

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 29, 2023 08:54 PM (B97yp)

202 Got all of my tax stuff ready but am afraid to even look at it at this point.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 29, 2023 08:57 PM (Xrfse)

203 "Negrito"??

What kinde of blog alllows such terribal raceism from commenters even about tobacco?? Just awfull.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein, Brattleboro Vt Wymyn's Anti-Racism League at January 29, 2023 08:58 PM (EZebt)

204 Do you think "standardizing" the rest of the parts from a single manufacturer would help?
Posted by: Ed L at January 29, 2023 08:53 PM (/lmRp)

Possibly. There are vendors who will sell you a completion kit for printed/P80 frames and while they all come from the same seller, I suspect they are each subbed out somewhere. Going with OEM Glock parts (slide, LPK, and locking block) would resolve some of that, but you have rails still and of course the printed frame.

BUT - putting the Dagger slide on this particular iteration worked fine in terms of going into battery but I did not range test it. Because I am stubborn. I still kind of lay the blame at this particular slide.

Posted by: blaster at January 29, 2023 08:58 PM (pwExq)

205 You have a great project there blaster, always great to hear about your progress.

Posted by: ck at January 29, 2023 08:58 PM (NSvQe)

206 This will sound off, because a 1911 is just about by definition your 'full size' pistol, but when I first got my Spfl Armory NM, I had a hand size problem with it. My long finger didn't want to engage nicely with the trigger tab; it was like it was laid out to fit in the crook of the finger. SA used to set up shop at Commercial Row at Camp Perry, so I showed it to them. They installed a nice improved sight for something like $13, and pointed out that the hot-shot gunsmith who'd vended it had done some trigger work and replaced the original match trigger tab with a short one. A retired CMP smith had a lovely parts drawer, and installed the original (gold!) long one for five bucks. After that it fit my big hand perfectly.

So, even where there doesn't appear to be any adjustment, sometimes a little thing like that (fraction of an inch, really) can change the feel of the whole gun.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at January 29, 2023 09:00 PM (jYCXf)

207 I agree with Way Way Downriver Johnson.

Posted by: Eromero at January 29, 2023 09:02 PM (0OP+5)

208 ck, concur with the 3D printing mad props. Not there yet, but I suspect it will be soon.
BTW, thanks again for the Arken scope package tip. Huge upgrade and savings.

Posted by: RI Red at January 29, 2023 09:03 PM (Yn34e)

209 I'm encouraged by the notion that a community in that particular 3-D printed world exists.
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 29, 2023 08:54 PM (B97yp)

It's...different.

I suppose they are most likely described as libertarian. Don't know if they are Big L types or not. But they are hardcore on 2A. The designation for this particular line of frames is FMDA for "Free Men Don't Ask." There is a project for a totally diy (including rifling your own barrel!) firerm called FGC-9 and that stands for F*** Gun Control.

Posted by: blaster at January 29, 2023 09:04 PM (pwExq)

210 130 I understand that skilled gunsmiths could work the old Python's action to get rid of the stacking effect that hampered smooth double action trigger pulls. The Colt Custom Shop also offered its "Ultimate" action job that did essentially the same thing on new Pythons through the 1990s.
Posted by: Ed L
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Both the new and old Python use V action mainsprings and the stacking on the old design occurred when the spring leaves became resistant to being compressed near the V. A skilled gunsmith could put a kink in the mainspring so that it would not do that but in reality--most Pythons were bought for single action shooting or as a collectible. Both old and new Pythons though have excellent single action trigger pulls without stacking as do most Colt revolvers.

Gunsmiths also did weird things during Police PPC revolver matches back in the 70's like put a Colt barrel on a Smith and Wesson frame or a Ruger Security series frame. A Smolt or Couger respectively.

Posted by: whig at January 29, 2023 09:06 PM (tXMz2)

211 So, even where there doesn't appear to be any adjustment, sometimes a little thing like that (fraction of an inch, really) can change the feel of the whole gun.

+1 that. Sometimes you can make changes or adjustments, sometimes you can't. If you can't adapt the gun or adapt to the gun, it's just not the right one for you. I have mentioned before that I got rid of a G-21 because it was just took big for my slightly smaller than large hands.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 29, 2023 09:06 PM (nfrXX)

212 Mrs. E the accountant says taxes are to be submitted midnight 15 April.
Posted by: Eromero

Not a penny earlier than absolutely necessary!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ This year in Corsicana! ~ at January 29, 2023 09:06 PM (hOUT3)

213 157 > Maglula Uplula.
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Yea... I've got those. Not worth shit (for me) on these 30+ mags. Can not depress the spring enough to get round 20 - 30+.

Like I said... old man thing. No strength in the hands or fingers.

Try again. Is there an assisted mechanical device to auto load these types of magazines. Yes, or no?
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 29, 2023 08:21 PM (Q4IgG)

I think the answer might be 'no' in your case. There are several mag loaders, all but one rely on you pressing down on the magazine to some extent to load the rounds. There is also the Caldwell loader but it requires you to squeeze a grip to load rounds, so that might be worse than pressing down, you'll know better where your strengths lie.

Sorry not to have a better answer, sadly I don't think there's anything like the toggle lever that Maglula uses on AR/AK magazines in pistol form. Hopefully some other moron can correct me.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 29, 2023 09:07 PM (xcxpd)

214 When shooting IDPA, I reloaded quite a bit. I was shooting a thousand rounds a month with regularity, and it made it affordable.

Best addition to my Hornady L&L was a powder check die. After my second squib in competition, with lodged round in the barrel, I bought one that locked the press up with an under or over charge. Highly recommended.

Posted by: SARDiver at January 29, 2023 09:07 PM (Cmxw7)

215 So, in The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, when Tuco customizes his own pistol, what kind of a frankenrevolver did he end up with?

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 29, 2023 09:10 PM (U2p+3)

216 BUT - putting the Dagger slide on this particular iteration worked fine in terms of going into battery but I did not range test it. Because I am stubborn. I still kind of lay the blame at this particular slide.
Posted by: blaster
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Weigh a genuine Dagger slide and your aftermarket one. Semi-autos are really picky about weight of the slide and springs as it affects the recoil impulse that reloads the firearm. The aftermarket may be going either faster or slower than the OEM one which can also affect the frame. Glock had to put a second reinforcing pin in the frame for their Fortay back in the day because the frame was cracking from the recoil impulse of a 40 versus a 9mm that the frame was designed for.

Posted by: whig at January 29, 2023 09:10 PM (tXMz2)

217 So, especially to them as have larger hands, what suggestions do y'all have for my larger-gun shopping?
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 29, 2023 08:14 PM (B97yp)

Hmm! Bigger eh, that's usually the opposite problem I try to answer but...stock Glock 17 might work, if you want to stick with 9mm, the Beretta 92 is indeed fine, especially if you want to put pachmar rubber grips, that will make it even beefier. CZ 75 isn't 'big' but it has a longer trigger reach, which might answer, likewise the SIG P226 and AREX Zero 1 is thicker than current pistol trends and all of the above are damn fine pistols, IMO.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 29, 2023 09:11 PM (xcxpd)

218 That tee shirt really does say it all. That's a keeper.

Posted by: I-IV-V at January 29, 2023 09:12 PM (YVvS/)

219 Hey RI Red, was it you thinking about a 308 or Creedmoor AR? If so Arm or Ally has the AERO M5 complete upper/stripped lower for $225. That's a great deal , I put together another PSA yesterday, they're great too but I've decided I like the AERO's a little better. They're purdy!!

Posted by: ck at January 29, 2023 09:13 PM (NSvQe)

220 So, especially to them as have larger hands, what suggestions do y'all have for my larger-gun shopping?
Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 29, 2023 08:14 PM (B97yp)

GP-100.

Posted by: I-IV-V at January 29, 2023 09:13 PM (YVvS/)

221 Nurse!
Just remembered that.
I suspect that tolerances back then were all over the place.

Posted by: RI Red at January 29, 2023 09:14 PM (Yn34e)

222 BTW, Blaster, you commented,
A common phrase in the 3d printed gub world is "tolerance stacking."
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Tolerance stacking is a fact of life when manufacturing and even the AR can often have problems when cobbled together from various alleged milspec parts. The key is either having a lot of parts to pick from or handfitting which requires an understanding of how the action works.

You are doing the latter aka actual gunsmithing and should be saluted for it. An armorer simply changes parts.

Posted by: whig at January 29, 2023 09:14 PM (tXMz2)

223 Any reloaders have a recommendation on a concentricity checker? Kind of leaning toward the Sinclair one but wondering if anyone here has experience with that one or others. Thanks.

Posted by: Arch Stanton at January 29, 2023 09:15 PM (AbA0h)

224 His is factory original with no trigger work at all. He has had it in the box for decades and brings it out to shoot once in a while. It's the only one I have ever shot so I have nothing to compare it to.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 29, 2023 08:12 PM (uNylN)

That man has a gold gun, then! The SAS used the Hi-Power and they had to mod theirs quite a bit to make them precision tools IIRC.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at January 29, 2023 09:15 PM (xcxpd)

225 223 Any reloaders have a recommendation on a concentricity checker? Kind of leaning toward the Sinclair one but wondering if anyone here has experience with that one or others. Thanks.
Posted by: Arch Stanton
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Hunting or F class/Benchrest shooting?

Posted by: whig at January 29, 2023 09:17 PM (tXMz2)

226 So, in The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, when Tuco customizes his own pistol, what kind of a frankenrevolver did he end up with?
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A Catling Gun.
https://tinyurl.com/5xxumba2

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 29, 2023 09:17 PM (Vwz3I)

227 Posted by: whig at January 29, 2023 09:06 PM (tXMz2)

One good reason to buy a new Python vice a vintage one is that the number of gunsmiths who can work on the older Pythons is a small number and getting smaller. Given the complexity of the old Colt action (dating to the late 1890s, I think), messing around with the guts of the mechanism is something amateurs shouldn't even try.

Posted by: Ed L at January 29, 2023 09:17 PM (/lmRp)

228 Weigh a genuine Dagger slide and your aftermarket one....

Posted by: whig at January 29, 2023 09:10 PM (tXMz2)

Neither weight nor springs were the issue here. You know on the back of the slide there are some notches in the backplate? The notch on the left goes over part of the trigger assembly. That notch would catch on the trigger assembly and keep it going into battery by about a 1/4 inch. The Dagger slide would not. The KM Tactical slide was just off by a fraction of a millimeter.

Posted by: blaster at January 29, 2023 09:17 PM (pwExq)

229 SA used to set up shop at Commercial Row at Camp Perry, so I showed it to them.

Meant to say in my previous reply. I'm envious. I always wanted to go to Camp Perry even if it was just to watch the matches and walk commercial row but never got to.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 29, 2023 09:18 PM (nfrXX)

230 Shit. Now I want a South Korean shovel

Posted by: Max Entropy at January 29, 2023 09:18 PM (rGssv)

231 That man has a gold gun, then! The SAS used the Hi-Power and they had to mod theirs quite a bit to make them precision tools IIRC.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Easiest fix for a High Power trigger is to remove the magazine disconnect which was done to a fair number of them not in the service use.

Later High Powers had better heat treatment of action parts and have a better trigger pull anyway--starting about at the Mark II.

Posted by: whig at January 29, 2023 09:19 PM (tXMz2)

232 When I was in the Army, my girl was an M-16 A1. the grunts in adjacent units had the cool A-2s. I was a medic in an artillery unit.

But I loved my weapon. never failed me. Up until a few years ago I could field strip it in my head.

God, I am old.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Wanting to Hang Out with Tom Bombadil at January 29, 2023 09:20 PM (UQUAY)

233 ck, I have so many projects and wants, I am outstripping my retirement income!
Ya, AR 10 in 308 is on the list. it would be 6.5 to match my long ranger, but thinking relative costs, even reloading.

Posted by: RI Red at January 29, 2023 09:21 PM (Yn34e)

234 Both old and new Pythons though have excellent single action trigger pulls without stacking as do most Colt revolvers.
Posted by: whig at January 29, 2023 09:06 PM (tXMz2)

I will say that the single action is where the newer Colt was much better. (The one time I got to shoot both of Ed L's, there at Elite, after NoVaMoMe.) The older Colt basically went off of you looked askance at the trigger. There was no "I'm shooting now" contemplation, it was just "I'm BLAM!" The newer was just enough pull to be a deliberate action, rather than "What just happened?"

Posted by: GWB at January 29, 2023 09:22 PM (B7zYP)

235 Neither weight nor springs were the issue here. You know on the back of the slide there are some notches in the backplate? The notch on the left goes over part of the trigger assembly. That notch would catch on the trigger assembly and keep it going into battery by about a 1/4 inch. The Dagger slide would not. The KM Tactical slide was just off by a fraction of a millimeter.
Posted by: blaster
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Well, you already found the answer as the slide must have been catching also on recoil which would have put sideways torsion on the frame.

MFG's use ultra high speed cameras to catch how it affects things and also piezoelectric sensors attached to the frame to measure force.

Basically, semi and auto frames are designed in such a way as to have an optimum range of slide/bolt/extraction velocity and anything causing that to differ from specs creates problems.

Posted by: whig at January 29, 2023 09:23 PM (tXMz2)

236 Posted by: whig at January 29, 2023 09:17 PM (tXMz2)

Want to get into more long-range shooting. What would be the difference between hunting and benchrest?

Posted by: Arch Stanton at January 29, 2023 09:23 PM (AbA0h)

237 Bon soir, mon amis et ma chers. Up to cut brush in the morning if not raining. Stop by for some bacon and eggs. On second thought, bring your own eggs. Just kidding.

Posted by: Eromero at January 29, 2023 09:23 PM (0OP+5)

238 Finally took my Kel-tec 22LR to the range. The range guy said "nice space gun" lol. I got groups smaller than my palm at 7 yards.

It holds 33 in a tiny mag, innovative design but it is a pain in the butt to load.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 29, 2023 09:24 PM (ybIRR)

239 RI Red, look into 6 Creedmoor too. When you do the math 6Creedmoor rocks.

Posted by: ck at January 29, 2023 09:26 PM (NSvQe)

240 Arch, I use a Forster Concentricity gauge. Works for me.

Posted by: RI Red at January 29, 2023 09:26 PM (Yn34e)

241 BYOE

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 29, 2023 09:27 PM (Vwz3I)

242 Great thread again, Weasel.

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at January 29, 2023 09:29 PM (1EFfL)

243 Our friends at PSA will sell you an AR10 for just 800 bones.

https://tinyurl.com/28r3xn6j

Posted by: blaster at January 29, 2023 09:29 PM (pwExq)

244 Hah, home hash, yet stranded on I 40 waiting for a tow!

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at January 29, 2023 09:30 PM (1EFfL)

245
Want to get into more long-range shooting. What would be the difference between hunting and benchrest?
Posted by: Arch Stanton at January 29, 2023 09:23 PM (AbA0h)
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Sinclair is fine. Also look at 21st Century Shooting.

Posted by: Weasel at January 29, 2023 09:30 PM (WoIMU)

246 ck, caliber creep will kill me. But I will go willingly.

Posted by: RI Red at January 29, 2023 09:30 PM (Yn34e)

247 That is a nice Python, Ed L!

The AR, meh. So, how much you want for it, Nevada Dave?

Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at January 29, 2023 09:32 PM (1EFfL)

248 Thanks blake. And thanks all y'all for tuning in tonight. I really appreciate it. See you next Sunday!

Posted by: Weasel at January 29, 2023 09:33 PM (WoIMU)

249 Our friends at PSA will sell you an AR10 for just 800 bones.

Posted by: blaster at January 29, 2023 09:29 PM (pwExq)

My only problem is that 10 lowers aren't evidently all the same. PSA warns you that their lowers will only fit their uppers, which kinda defeats the purpose for me. I want to be able to build and to change, and not to be beholden to a specific company. Otherwise I might buy their AR-10 stuff. (I've bought lots of their AR-15 stuff.)

Posted by: GWB at January 29, 2023 09:33 PM (B7zYP)

250 There's no way you can beat a PA-10 from Palmetto for $800, great rifle, great price. I got one of mine for $600, but that's been a while.

Posted by: ck at January 29, 2023 09:34 PM (NSvQe)

251 Ola, ca va?
Finally made it to a gub thread. Been working too hard.

Used a pew pew on the range yesterday. Checking groups in the Element/Rem 700/ XLR 5.56mm with M262 Mod 0 ammo. Shows promise. How we all doing?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at January 29, 2023 09:34 PM (bgJ0E)

252 ck, caliber creep will kill me. But I will go willingly.

I have a buddy who collects calibers like some people collect match book covers. With only two or three exceptions, everything I own is in either a current or past USGI standard issue chambering.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 29, 2023 09:35 PM (nfrXX)

253 Damn, Blaster, I think you just decreased my cash by $800.

Posted by: RI Red at January 29, 2023 09:35 PM (Yn34e)

254 Posted by: Blake - semi lurker at large at January 29, 2023 09:32 PM (1EFfL)

I think that Python will come cheaper than that Colt SP-1 will. $1499 MSRP according to Colt.

Posted by: Ed L at January 29, 2023 09:35 PM (/lmRp)

255 So, especially to them as have larger hands, what suggestions do y'all have for my larger-gun shopping?

Posted by: Schnorflepuppy at January 29, 2023 08:14 PM (B97yp)

Walther PPQ .45ACP. You will have to find one used...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 29, 2023 09:35 PM (XIJ/X)

256 Thanks for hosting, Weasel!

Posted by: Ed L at January 29, 2023 09:35 PM (/lmRp)

257
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at January 29, 2023 09:34 PM (bgJ0E)
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Howdy bro! Good to hear from you!

Posted by: Weasel at January 29, 2023 09:36 PM (WoIMU)

258 Weasel, hope you had a good dinner. We've been here spending dollars US.

Posted by: RI Red at January 29, 2023 09:37 PM (Yn34e)

259 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at January 29, 2023 09:34 PM (bgJ0E)

Glowie!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 29, 2023 09:38 PM (XIJ/X)

260 All good. Thanks everyone!

Posted by: Weasel at January 29, 2023 09:38 PM (WoIMU)

261 NZFrank!

Hi there! You get wet last week?

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 29, 2023 09:38 PM (U2p+3)

262
Glowie!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 29, 2023 09:38 PM (XIJ/X)

I'm not the cleanly shaved one here buddy. Nice haircut too by the way.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at January 29, 2023 09:41 PM (bgJ0E)

263 I'm not the cleanly shaved one here buddy. Nice haircut too by the way.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at January 29, 2023 09:41 PM (bgJ0E)

Hah!

How's tricks? I am planning a move out of communist NJ and into a free state in the next three years. Then I get full auto and suppressors.

And another safe!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 29, 2023 09:43 PM (XIJ/X)

264
Hi there! You get wet last week?
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 29, 2023 09:38 PM (U2p+3)

Hi Nurse Hi Mr Weasel,
Nah, I have the irrigation going we are so warm and drying out badly down south. Did I read about you getting into an altercation last week or something?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at January 29, 2023 09:43 PM (bgJ0E)

265 And the gun bag the SHE girl shows looks like a good way to get yourself shot while trying to get to your gun. Bad reach location, too many zippers you might pull besides the right one, and the angle she's deciding to carry at seems... wrong.

Thanks again for the great gun thread, Weasel!

Posted by: GWB at January 29, 2023 09:44 PM (B7zYP)

266 I found some seeploaders that I am going to test out. I picked up the P365 loader, 686+ loading block & loader, and the .22 shaker loader for Ruger MK III mags. So far tge P365 mag loader seems to work pretty well. After a bit of oractice it might come in pretty handy. Speedbeez.com

Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at January 29, 2023 09:44 PM (OQcP8)

267 I am planning a move out of communist NJ and into a free state in the next three years. Then I get full auto and suppressors.

And another safe!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Going to Utah, Tx or Fl?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at January 29, 2023 09:45 PM (bgJ0E)

268 GWB, all the manufacturers do that, " there's no standard so to be sure buy ours". They're technically DPMS LR308's and they come in two sizes, tall and short. Palmetto is short and Aero is tall. You CAN mix and match. A short lower(Palmetto) will fit either upper just fine. Likewise a tall upper (Aero) will fit either lower. The only problems come when you match a tall lower to a short upper, you wont have quite enough room for your charging handle. All other parts are interchangeable except for your free floating handguard.

Posted by: ck at January 29, 2023 09:45 PM (NSvQe)

269 Old fat fingers cant type worth a shit on a phone...sorry for the typos.

Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at January 29, 2023 09:45 PM (OQcP8)

270 sorry for the typos.
Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at January 29, 2023 09:45 PM (OQcP

No worries. It makes us all feel better about our own.

Posted by: GWB at January 29, 2023 09:47 PM (B7zYP)

271 Posted by: GWB at January 29, 2023 09:44 PM (B7zYP)
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Happy to do it!

Posted by: Weasel at January 29, 2023 09:47 PM (WoIMU)

272 Martini Farmer, you mentioned the Pappas Fritas cigars last week. I discovered those a couple months ago and am really enjoying them. About a half hour smoke, good flavor and they run $5.00 at my local shop.

Posted by: 10 Gallon Hat at January 29, 2023 09:47 PM (OQcP8)

273 BTW, 10GH, your hash (OQcP8 ) looks like a brand name for a gun cleaning oil.

Posted by: GWB at January 29, 2023 09:48 PM (B7zYP)

274 Did I read about you getting into an altercation last week or something?
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at January 29, 2023 09:43 PM (bgJ0E)
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Not me! Probably Nurse.

Posted by: Weasel at January 29, 2023 09:48 PM (WoIMU)

275 275 Did I read about you getting into an altercation last week or something?
Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at January 29, 2023 09:43 PM (bgJ0E)
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Not me! Probably Nurse.
Posted by: Weasel

Not me! At least nothing out of the ordinary.

Weasel is the troublemaker.

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 29, 2023 09:49 PM (U2p+3)

276 Want to get into more long-range shooting. What would be the difference between hunting and benchrest?
Posted by: Arch Stanton

Hunting (unless you are after varmints like prairie dogs etc. ) a cartridge that is about 2-3 MOA is fine--what is more important is that the bullet stops whatever it hits. Basically, you can shoot at far greater ranges than is actually ethical as you risk leaving game dying or crippled but getting away. For the most part, a gage for concentricity is a not very useful versus range time shooting in field positions.

Benchrest or long distance shooting competitions, you want every advantage you can get and Sinclair is a known name in the game for decades. Forsters is also one and there are some boutique firms out there making even more premium priced gear. Weasel and RI Red are good ones to guide you in what to buy and how to start in the game.

Posted by: whig at January 29, 2023 09:50 PM (tXMz2)

277 Going to Utah, Tx or Fl?

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at January 29, 2023 09:45 PM (bgJ0E)

NH. It's nominally blue, but has a vibrant hunting culture and hasn't yet tipped over to the dark side. And it's a quick drive from our roots in the NY Metro area, so it is much more convenient than the south or the west.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 29, 2023 09:50 PM (XIJ/X)

278 Not me! At least nothing out of the ordinary.

Weasel is the troublemaker.

Man, you pepper spray just one crazy vagrant and it's like you get a reputation or something.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 29, 2023 09:51 PM (nfrXX)

279 Happy birthday to WW!
Thank you for the thread, weasel. I got to shoot a Rhino revolver yesterday. It was, different.

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 29, 2023 09:51 PM (U2p+3)

280 Posted by: whig at January 29, 2023 09:50 PM (tXMz2)

What measure of improvement might you see using that device, whig? A percentage of MOA?

Posted by: GWB at January 29, 2023 09:51 PM (B7zYP)

281 Weasel is the troublemaker.

He sure is. Something must be done.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 29, 2023 09:52 PM (Xrfse)

282 Posted by: nurse ratched at January 29, 2023 09:51 PM (U2p+3)
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I'll let her know. Thanks!

Those things are strange!

Posted by: Weasel at January 29, 2023 09:53 PM (WoIMU)

283 281 Weasel is the troublemaker.

He sure is. Something must be done.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 29, 2023 09:52 PM (Xrfse)
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Bluebell! Bluebell is the bad one!!

Posted by: Weasel at January 29, 2023 09:54 PM (WoIMU)

284 Bluebell! Bluebell is the bad one!!

Posted by: Weasel at January 29, 2023 09:54 PM (WoIMU)

Shhh....she'll hear you!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 29, 2023 09:55 PM (XIJ/X)

285 Bluebell! Bluebell is the bad one!!

Well, that goes without saying.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 29, 2023 09:56 PM (Xrfse)

286 Ed L.
The old Colt double action is at its most difficult when it uses one part to do a couple of jobs. If you take a look at the cylinder bolt, you will notice that the inside is slightly angled toward the inside of the frame for example, one of the other parts involved in returning the action to firing position but critical for timing (forget what Colt calls it) has a tiny triangular point at one end and a knife like blade on the other, the hand for the ratchet timing is similarly a handfitting work of art.

Things like mainsprings though or even a hammer are less difficult to manage replacing. Fortunately, I have a guy that does work on Colts and had him change a bulged barrel on an antique police positive--the replacement fitted just fine.

Posted by: whig at January 29, 2023 09:56 PM (tXMz2)

287 Bluebell! Bluebell is the bad one!!
Posted by: Weasel


You're not fooling anyone.

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 29, 2023 09:57 PM (U2p+3)

288 For the most part, a gage for concentricity is a not very useful versus range time shooting in field positions.

I don't bother with that even for PRS. That's why I am going to a Sabatti in 7.62mm for my next mid range build. Bigger lead area than traditional rifling by miles and gets the projectile presented halfway correctly. Hence more accuracy for freeee, technically.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at January 29, 2023 09:57 PM (bgJ0E)

289 CBD, what is this nominally blue stuff?

Well, maybe. We'll talk.

Posted by: RI Red at January 29, 2023 09:58 PM (Yn34e)

290 ----
Not me! Probably Nurse.
Posted by: Weasel

Not me! At least nothing out of the ordinary.

Weasel is the troublemaker.
Posted by: nurse ratched

Hmmmm, someone's telling wee fibs.

Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at January 29, 2023 09:58 PM (bgJ0E)

291 Fum Fie Foh Fee
Do I smell an imminent ONT?
waaaiiitttt.... F5 F5 F5 F5 F5 F5

Posted by: mindful webworker - are we here now? at January 29, 2023 09:59 PM (WFsyi)

292 Good night all. And a "Happy Birthday" to all authorized personnel.

Posted by: Oddbob at January 29, 2023 09:59 PM (nfrXX)

293 Posted by: NZFrank with an M2 at January 29, 2023 09:57 PM (bgJ0E)
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Agreed. There are a bunch of things I'd do involving case prep before worrying (too much) about concentricity..

Posted by: Weasel at January 29, 2023 09:59 PM (WoIMU)

294 Thanks Weasel, Whig and others for the advice!

Posted by: Arch Stanton at January 29, 2023 09:59 PM (AbA0h)

295 ONT is up!
(Does that make Ace an assault website?)

Posted by: GWB at January 29, 2023 10:00 PM (B7zYP)

296 65... *arrow*

Posted by: richard mcenroe at January 29, 2023 10:01 PM (8fxF+)

297 Heck, hate to call it a night.
But, good night fellow troopers.

Posted by: RI Red at January 29, 2023 10:01 PM (Yn34e)

298 128 Larry Correia's In Defense of the Second Amendment, like all his books, is good work.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at January 29, 2023 10:02 PM (8fxF+)

299 Goodnight, RI Red!

Posted by: nurse ratched at January 29, 2023 10:02 PM (U2p+3)

300 What measure of improvement might you see using that device, whig? A percentage of MOA?
Posted by: GWB
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Depends on your ammo quality. If you are hunting big game like elk, moose, or rams, it makes sense to buy premium hunting ammo as that is a small part of the trip. Norma, Federal Premium, Nosler, etc. all make really good ammunition so a hunter would not notice how much additional accuracy might be obtained from a concentricity gage.

Benchrest or long distance accuracy, I would not be surprised that it might make the difference between being able to compete or being in last place but that assumes that other factors were also fixed---bullet neck tension, quality and consistency of the brass, bullet seating, and so on.
Those folks are fighting over quarter of an inch or so and a 1 MOA rifle beloved by a hunter would get sneers from the accuracy crowd as far as accuracy.

So, you use shitty brass, the concentricity gage might help keep you in the game. Top notch brass, less so.

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