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It's Not A Race Problem; It's A Policing Problem
Policing in America is broken. That's a sentence I have written before, and will undoubtedly write again. Militarization of civilian police, moving away from foot patrols to car patrols, the "war" on drugs...all of it, and more, has conspired to convert community police into paramilitary squads whose enemies are all too often the people they were intended to protect.
Everyone who has had any contact with police has seen the aggressive postures, the combative attitudes, the insane insistence on respecting their authority that many police in America display every day. Contact with the police used to be trivial. Oops...parking ticket. Damn! Speeding ticket. Loud music a bit too late? Sure. No problem. I'll turn it down. The cops weren't the enemy and we weren't either. But now? All too often, contact with the police is fraught with tension, because we cannot know whether the policeman who has pulled us over is a normal man, just doing his job, or a bulked up wannabe special forces operator with a chip on his shoulder and an exaggerated sense of his own importance. Or in the case of Tyre Nichols: five of them.Nichols, 29, was stopped by police on Jan. 7 for alleged "reckless driving." Officers said a "confrontation occurred" during the traffic stop, leading to Nichols' attempt to flee. Officers eventually caught up with him by car, exited their vehicles and began to beat him, leaving him complaining about having shortness of breath. He was transported to the hospital in critical condition and died on Jan. 10. The Shelby County Medical Examiner’s Office has not released Nichols' cause of death.
I don't give a rat's ass what kind of a person Tyre Nichols was. He might very well have been a thug. He might very well have been driving recklessly. He might very well have mouthed off to the cops. He certainly tried to run away from them. Yes, that's stupid. But it doesn't require that he be beaten to death. The police are not the proverbial judge, jury and executioners. Here's a link to the City of Memphis Vimeo page if you want to watch the videos. They are brutal. What stands out, aside from the casual brutality, is that these men were lousy cops. They clearly did not know how to do their jobs. Or maybe they simply didn't understand what their jobs were! Or even worse...their level of violence was accepted by their bosses, was accepted by their fellow policemen, and was part of the ethos of policing. Those five cops were black, which is unsurprising because Memphis is about 2/3 black. Was their beating of Nichols precipitated by his color? Or was it precipitated by the complete disconnect between the police and the communities they are charged with protecting? What is most frustrating is that had those five cops been white, Nichols probably would have survived the encounter because of the insane calculations that are necessary in today's racially charged environment. But...and this is the point of this post...while I am a critic of policing in America, until the push-back against it is non-violent, I will continue to support the police. Protest all you want. But the second your protest turns violent you will lose me, and my support for the police will reset to a reflexive: "sorry, but you were rioting...you got what you deserved." BLM and Antifa and the various other communist-inspired groups will continue to foment violence instead of peaceful protest, and that will be the reason that a comprehensive examination and overhaul of American policing will not occur.
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It's a Marxist problem we have
Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2023 12:01 PM (xhxe8)
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I say that as it's the Marxists fighting to get rid of police
Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2023 12:01 PM (xhxe8)
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But...and this is the point of this post...while I am a critic of policing in America, until the push-back against it is non-violent, I will continue to support the police. Protest all you want. But the second your protest turns violent you will lose me, and my support for the police will reset to a reflexive: "sorry, but you were rioting...you got what you deserved."
A very large part of the problem is the hyperaggressive nature of modern black "culture". Everything is an insult and to be met with resistance and violence. If it isn't, you're an Uncle Tom, or a p***y. Even black cops are apparently sick of it.
A very large part of the problem is the hyperaggressive nature of modern black "culture". Everything is an insult and to be met with resistance and violence. If it isn't, you're an Uncle Tom, or a p***y. Even black cops are apparently sick of it.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2023 12:04 PM (eOEVl)
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There are 3 options
1) You have cops that will have wide latitude to enforce the law and will often do so violently and arbitrarily.
2) You restrict policing to basically nothing and let feral yutes abuse the citizens
3) You bring back the older American culture of the 50s where young people had it drilled in their heads to be respectful and you used the "broken windows" theory of policing. Also, there were far, far fewer laws so people couldn't mostly do what they wanted if they weren't bothering anyone else.
Pick one.
1) You have cops that will have wide latitude to enforce the law and will often do so violently and arbitrarily.
2) You restrict policing to basically nothing and let feral yutes abuse the citizens
3) You bring back the older American culture of the 50s where young people had it drilled in their heads to be respectful and you used the "broken windows" theory of policing. Also, there were far, far fewer laws so people couldn't mostly do what they wanted if they weren't bothering anyone else.
Pick one.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 29, 2023 12:05 PM (lc5cP)
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Guarantee this is not the first time these cops got out of hand. Bad cops are made bad cops by a system that ignores police misconduct. This kind of behavior does not occur in a vacuum. Go to youtube, there are tons of videos of cops being stupid and getting pi$$ed when someone doesn't *respect their authority*.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 29, 2023 12:07 PM (uNylN)
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Dammit and I just said something mildly amusing on the last thread....
"Yes, that's stupid. But it doesn't require that he be beaten to death. The police are not the proverbial judge, jury and executioners."
100% That's what infuriates me about people who handwave away events such as this with statements like "play stupid games, win stupid prizes." This isn't Mega City 1. There are very VERY good reasons why policing, adjudication, and punishment are (theoretically and structurally) compartmentalized.
"Yes, that's stupid. But it doesn't require that he be beaten to death. The police are not the proverbial judge, jury and executioners."
100% That's what infuriates me about people who handwave away events such as this with statements like "play stupid games, win stupid prizes." This isn't Mega City 1. There are very VERY good reasons why policing, adjudication, and punishment are (theoretically and structurally) compartmentalized.
Posted by: But, you know, back the blue. at January 29, 2023 12:07 PM (UKe2c)
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This is another example of black-on-black crime. Race got nothing to do with it.
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 29, 2023 12:08 PM (SJsWC)
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3) You bring back the older American culture of the 50s where young people had it drilled in their heads to be respectful and you used the "broken windows" theory of policing.
Door #3. Rudie's way. NYC is still our safest American city.
Door #3. Rudie's way. NYC is still our safest American city.
Posted by: Ignoramus at January 29, 2023 12:09 PM (SJsWC)
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Meh, we have a race problem. Its called blacks. Let's not pretend otherwise. The bigger problem is whites have been conditioned to blame themselves when blacks act badly. Fix that and things might improve. Or might not.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 29, 2023 12:10 PM (yRved)
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A very large part of the problem is the hyperaggressive nature of modern black "culture". Everything is an insult and to be met with resistance and violence. If it isn't, you're an Uncle Tom, or a p***y. Even black cops are apparently sick of it.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2023 12:04 PM
It ain't just blacks. I had a Hispanic 3rd class working for me in the Navy who was from NYC. He would go home for the weekends and get into all sorts of trouble. He was constantly getting into fights because people "disrespected" him. One time he beat up a guy because he touched his jacket.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2023 12:04 PM
It ain't just blacks. I had a Hispanic 3rd class working for me in the Navy who was from NYC. He would go home for the weekends and get into all sorts of trouble. He was constantly getting into fights because people "disrespected" him. One time he beat up a guy because he touched his jacket.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 29, 2023 12:11 PM (uNylN)
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10 A very large part of the problem is the hyperaggressive nature of modern black "culture". Everything is an insult and to be met with resistance and violence. If it isn't, you're an Uncle Tom, or a p***y. Even black cops are apparently sick of it.
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Black American rates of violent crime are mirrored in Africa. They are what they are.
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Black American rates of violent crime are mirrored in Africa. They are what they are.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 29, 2023 12:12 PM (yRved)
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Policing has always been a brutal activity, because modern policing arose in the context of the industrial revolution, and the growth of modern cities. It's always been about keeping the mass of people from descending into violent anarchy, and trying to weed out the violent predators. Sheriff Andy Taylor was always a fantasy, never reality.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 29, 2023 12:12 PM (wmDcS)
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It ain't ℝ𝕠𝕔𝕜𝕖𝕥 science!
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 29, 2023 12:13 PM (Vwz3I)
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I guess people always miss the stubborn childish defiance, resisting, and fleeing part, or how every misbehaving suspect now is named Caint Breeves, [ I Caint Breeves! I Caint Breeves! ], in BadCop stories.
Posted by: How About A Nice Hawaiian Punch at January 29, 2023 12:13 PM (gaSe6)
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It ain't just blacks. I had a Hispanic 3rd class working for me in the Navy who was from NYC. He would go home for the weekends and get into all sorts of trouble. He was constantly getting into fights because people "disrespected" him. One time he beat up a guy because he touched his jacket.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 29, 2023 12:11 PM (uNylN)
That mode of behavior is commonly seen in prisoners.
Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at January 29, 2023 12:11 PM (uNylN)
That mode of behavior is commonly seen in prisoners.
Posted by: Degenerates are degenerates no matter where you find them at January 29, 2023 12:14 PM (II3Gr)
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It ain't just blacks. I had a Hispanic 3rd class working for me in the Navy who was from NYC. He would go home for the weekends and get into all sorts of trouble. He was constantly getting into fights because people "disrespected" him. One time he beat up a guy because he touched his jacket.
My guess is that because Hispanics often move into the rougher parts of town, they're copying the blacks who are already there. Also, many Hispanics come from Central America now, and they've been engaged in a low level civil war for decades.
My guess is that because Hispanics often move into the rougher parts of town, they're copying the blacks who are already there. Also, many Hispanics come from Central America now, and they've been engaged in a low level civil war for decades.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2023 12:14 PM (eOEVl)
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These assholes were high fiving each other after the dude was lying in a bloody heap. Maybe they are just sadists with a badge. Like a lot of cops these days.
And dumb ones too. Left the bodycams on. They probably were surprised when the guy died because they probably do this a lot and never "get caught".
And dumb ones too. Left the bodycams on. They probably were surprised when the guy died because they probably do this a lot and never "get caught".
Posted by: pawn at January 29, 2023 12:14 PM (YdEcD)
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Old and busted: we want cops that look like us!
New hotness: disband the police!!
New hotness: disband the police!!
Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at January 29, 2023 12:14 PM (knlFM)
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Toxic masculinity!
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 29, 2023 12:15 PM (U2p+3)
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Throw in penis-crazed homosexuals like Jordan Walker, and hoo boy, more spice to the mix!
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 29, 2023 12:16 PM (ufFY8)
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The militarization of the PoPo is what happened.
We went from the neighborhood cop on the beat to cops in cars shaking down motorists for money as well as SWAT teams in APC's urban assaulting here and there to police chiefs wearing gold braids and more fruit salad than Audie Murphy.
Then throw in the stupid "war on drugs", more laws on the books than you can shake a stick at and every department has to grow their budget every year and it's a huge mess.
Avoid the PoPo when ever and where ever you can.
We went from the neighborhood cop on the beat to cops in cars shaking down motorists for money as well as SWAT teams in APC's urban assaulting here and there to police chiefs wearing gold braids and more fruit salad than Audie Murphy.
Then throw in the stupid "war on drugs", more laws on the books than you can shake a stick at and every department has to grow their budget every year and it's a huge mess.
Avoid the PoPo when ever and where ever you can.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 29, 2023 12:17 PM (R/m4+)
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The underlying problem is political corruption and incompetence. The common thread in nearly all these cities where these incidents occur is that they are run by Democrats, often for decades.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 29, 2023 12:17 PM (wmDcS)
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Can you think of one racial identity in America, other than blacks, that if they were removed from data set would result in a 50% drop in the national murder rate? This 50% murder rate is manifested by black males from 14 to 28, which makes up roughly 2-3% of the country's population. Pretty fucking amazing when you grok that.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 29, 2023 12:17 PM (yRved)
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These cops have been charged--maybe more will. They deserve it. This is also a "15 min of fame" problem; at first, I think Tyre was acting up as well as acting. He probably didn't think he was going to die at first and he was saying all the things that make a good TikTok video: "I can't breathe" for one. It really got out of hand, very disturbing video.
Posted by: AgathaPagatha at January 29, 2023 12:18 PM (xDMjB)
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Why do we have feral yutes in all of our cities now?
1) No dads
2) Welfare takes care of everyone, though not well. You don't face hunger if you don't work, and it is hard to improve yourself via hardwork since we tax the crap out of jobs and let crime destroy the non-violent
3) Cities *literally* drive people crazy
4) Modern pop culture is toxic, and modern inner city black culture is the most toxic varient
5) We play stupid games with policing. Let them do *anything* to bring down crime under this mayor, let them do nothing under the next.
6) Everything is racist. Even black cops abusing a black man.
7) No culture of responsibility for anyone in the cities - not the cops, not the parents, not the government workers, not the elected officials.
1) No dads
2) Welfare takes care of everyone, though not well. You don't face hunger if you don't work, and it is hard to improve yourself via hardwork since we tax the crap out of jobs and let crime destroy the non-violent
3) Cities *literally* drive people crazy
4) Modern pop culture is toxic, and modern inner city black culture is the most toxic varient
5) We play stupid games with policing. Let them do *anything* to bring down crime under this mayor, let them do nothing under the next.
6) Everything is racist. Even black cops abusing a black man.
7) No culture of responsibility for anyone in the cities - not the cops, not the parents, not the government workers, not the elected officials.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 29, 2023 12:18 PM (lc5cP)
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That mode of behavior is commonly seen in prisoners.
Posted by: Degenerates are degenerates no matter where you find them at January 29, 2023 12:14 PM (II3Gr)
Low-trust societies, which the left and establishment right have been steadily driving us towards for decades, where you assume that anyone not of your tribe is trying to cheat you, and that any sign of weakness will be used against you.
Posted by: Degenerates are degenerates no matter where you find them at January 29, 2023 12:14 PM (II3Gr)
Low-trust societies, which the left and establishment right have been steadily driving us towards for decades, where you assume that anyone not of your tribe is trying to cheat you, and that any sign of weakness will be used against you.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 29, 2023 12:19 PM (wmDcS)
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Regardless of the cause, this is a symptom of a disintegrating nation. Do you see the mass domestic migration? People are trying to best position themselves, knowing that there isn't much time remaining.
Posted by: I've got bad news for you at January 29, 2023 12:19 PM (nnIN9)
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Pretty fucking amazing when you grok that.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 29, 2023 12:17 PM (yRved)
Completely dysfunctional culture.
And those blacks trying to escape it and better their lives are called Oreos and worse.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 29, 2023 12:17 PM (yRved)
Completely dysfunctional culture.
And those blacks trying to escape it and better their lives are called Oreos and worse.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 29, 2023 12:19 PM (ufFY8)
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*A very large part of the problem is the hyperaggressive nature of modern black "culture". Everything is an insult and to be met with resistance and violence. If it isn't, you're an Uncle Tom, or a p***y. Even black cops are apparently sick of it.*
Even the cute video this morning of the rap contest between Dorothy and Alice. I was going to share it with some friends, but it goes a little too far over the line. What are the cultural roots of rap?
Even the cute video this morning of the rap contest between Dorothy and Alice. I was going to share it with some friends, but it goes a little too far over the line. What are the cultural roots of rap?
Posted by: Just Sayin' at January 29, 2023 12:19 PM (DhOHl)
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Avoid the PoPo when ever and where ever you can.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 29, 2023 12:17 PM (R/m4+)
This.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at January 29, 2023 12:17 PM (R/m4+)
This.
Posted by: And know your 4th and 5th Amendment rights at January 29, 2023 12:22 PM (UKe2c)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at January 29, 2023 12:22 PM (ufFY8)
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It is well known that in 2020 a black guy died in questionable circumstances at the hands of a white Minneapolis cop. What is less well known is that in 2017, a white woman trying to report a crime was shot dead by a black Minneapolis cop. This should have been a huge wake up call to the department and especially the city government that controls it that something was badly wrong with training and discipline, but it obviously wasn't and so the rest is history.
I haven't followed the Memphis thing very closely--Tennessee is a long state and I'm on the other end of it--but I have heard that the locals are calling out "the mayor's police force." This is, I think, the right approach and it's something that I wish had been done in 2020. Back then they blamed whitey, they blamed America, they blamed capitalism, they blamed Trump, they blamed everyone except the person that a city PD reports to, who selects their leaders and has a controlling interest in their policies and general orders: the mayor.
I haven't followed the Memphis thing very closely--Tennessee is a long state and I'm on the other end of it--but I have heard that the locals are calling out "the mayor's police force." This is, I think, the right approach and it's something that I wish had been done in 2020. Back then they blamed whitey, they blamed America, they blamed capitalism, they blamed Trump, they blamed everyone except the person that a city PD reports to, who selects their leaders and has a controlling interest in their policies and general orders: the mayor.
Posted by: CppThis at January 29, 2023 12:23 PM (PZvjL)
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First have not read 2 article on this recent police killing.
But suspect tension have been ramped up 10 x that especially both sides police and suspect each think the other is out to murder the other
But suspect tension have been ramped up 10 x that especially both sides police and suspect each think the other is out to murder the other
Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2023 12:23 PM (xhxe8)
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What happened in Memphis was a shit show and can't be defended and must be prosecuted.
However one then has to figure why this is happening. First some form of bad police conduct has always existed. With modern tech we can now see it in real time . Police must have it drummed into their heads that they are always on video. Second the left (probably impossible) has to agree that punishment for violent crime must be punishment, not revolving door action. Until then the cops will continue acting like they're the only line of defense, and bad behavior among bad cops will continue
However one then has to figure why this is happening. First some form of bad police conduct has always existed. With modern tech we can now see it in real time . Police must have it drummed into their heads that they are always on video. Second the left (probably impossible) has to agree that punishment for violent crime must be punishment, not revolving door action. Until then the cops will continue acting like they're the only line of defense, and bad behavior among bad cops will continue
Posted by: Smell the Glove at January 29, 2023 12:23 PM (dHzaG)
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Low-trust societies, which the left and establishment right have been steadily driving us towards for decades, where you assume that anyone not of your tribe is trying to cheat you, and that any sign of weakness will be used against you.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 29, 2023 12:19 PM (wmDcS)
Hell, sometimes it's your very own tribe doing this shit to you.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at January 29, 2023 12:19 PM (wmDcS)
Hell, sometimes it's your very own tribe doing this shit to you.
Posted by: Ask me how I know. Or don't. at January 29, 2023 12:23 PM (UKe2c)
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"Or was it precipitated by the complete disconnect between the police and the communities they are charged with protecting?"
Just the opposite, it was precipitated by the complete CONNECTION between the police and the community they were charged with protecting.
Those police officers came from the same dysfunctional community they "protected".
Just the opposite, it was precipitated by the complete CONNECTION between the police and the community they were charged with protecting.
Those police officers came from the same dysfunctional community they "protected".
Posted by: Muthaucker at January 29, 2023 12:24 PM (MktMp)
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okay, let's train the cops better. but let's train the yoots how to behave with the police.
Posted by: halfastro at January 29, 2023 12:24 PM (HpKEV)
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Back then they blamed whitey, they blamed America, they blamed capitalism, they blamed Trump, they blamed everyone except the person that a city PD reports to, who selects their leaders and has a controlling interest in their policies and general orders: the mayor.
The voters select the mayor.
The voters select the mayor.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2023 12:24 PM (eOEVl)
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What is this "Scorpion Squad"? these guys were a part of?
Posted by: BignJames at January 29, 2023 12:25 PM (AwYPR)
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Also factor in the single-mom black female police chief. There was no supervision, at least none that these cops respected.
Posted by: AgathaPagatha at January 29, 2023 12:25 PM (xDMjB)
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Short answer: Over the years, decent people were driven out of police work by the crap they had to endure, not just from criminals but from organizations that were supposed to be on their side.
It wouldn't be surprising if less decent people who like abusing power were drawn into the system.
See: "A Clockwork Orange," where yesterday's thugs end up as today's cops.
It wouldn't be surprising if less decent people who like abusing power were drawn into the system.
See: "A Clockwork Orange," where yesterday's thugs end up as today's cops.
Posted by: MartynWW at January 29, 2023 12:26 PM (Ur3df)
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38 Back then they blamed whitey, they blamed America, they blamed capitalism, they blamed Trump, they blamed everyone except the person that a city PD reports to, who selects their leaders and has a controlling interest in their policies and general orders: the mayor.
The voters select the mayor.
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Mmm, not really. For Blue Shitholes the deciding factor in who becomes Mayor is determined by the Public Teachers Unions. See Lori Lightfoot for an example.
The voters select the mayor.
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Mmm, not really. For Blue Shitholes the deciding factor in who becomes Mayor is determined by the Public Teachers Unions. See Lori Lightfoot for an example.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 29, 2023 12:26 PM (yRved)
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38 The voters select the mayor.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2023 12:24 PM (eOEVl)
And they re-elected Frey. Because the Midwest is a lost cause.
Posted by: Archimedes at January 29, 2023 12:24 PM (eOEVl)
And they re-elected Frey. Because the Midwest is a lost cause.
Posted by: CppThis at January 29, 2023 12:27 PM (PZvjL)
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But suspect tension have been ramped up 10 x that especially both sides police and suspect each think the other is out to murder the other
Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2023 12:23 PM (xhxe
It is drilled into cops' heads as part of their training that every contact is a perp who's going to kill them, especially motorists. I've seen the clips from the training videos. They're essentially shown over and over that every driver has a gun in their lap that they're going to whip out and kill the cop with. The other thing is that their prime directive isn't "serve and protect" "uphold the law" "follow the Constitution" or anything like that, it's "whatever it takes to go home safe at end of shift." Add in the whole wartime footing attitude and it's a recipe for bad things to happen.
Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2023 12:23 PM (xhxe
It is drilled into cops' heads as part of their training that every contact is a perp who's going to kill them, especially motorists. I've seen the clips from the training videos. They're essentially shown over and over that every driver has a gun in their lap that they're going to whip out and kill the cop with. The other thing is that their prime directive isn't "serve and protect" "uphold the law" "follow the Constitution" or anything like that, it's "whatever it takes to go home safe at end of shift." Add in the whole wartime footing attitude and it's a recipe for bad things to happen.
Posted by: Bad people, bad society, bad training at January 29, 2023 12:28 PM (UKe2c)
Posted by: Dominion Voting Systems at January 29, 2023 12:28 PM (DhOHl)
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31 What are the cultural roots of rap?
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James Brown. Ditto the roots of Funk (which is much better and fun).
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James Brown. Ditto the roots of Funk (which is much better and fun).
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 29, 2023 12:28 PM (yRved)
Posted by: BignJames at January 29, 2023 12:28 PM (AwYPR)
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Another problem driving this stuff is the boots-on-the-ground police have a siege mentality. There's the aforementioned racial calculations--at least for the white cops--and the honest ones know that if they screw up they'll be thrown under the buss, while the dishonest ones know that they're clouted and can do anything. Which, again, leads back to City Hall treating urban PDs as part of the patronage system. That might have worked for Chicago when Old Man Daley ran things, but that was a long time ago and unlike Daley today's city pols are marginally competent at best.
Posted by: CppThis at January 29, 2023 12:29 PM (PZvjL)
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As I asked the last time one of these events happened - are the people demanding the mayor resign? And the city council (or whatever political organization they have)?
No?
Then no one actually cares.
No?
Then no one actually cares.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 29, 2023 12:30 PM (lc5cP)
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What we need is safer guns and safer bullets.
Posted by: Joycelyn Elders at January 29, 2023 12:31 PM (DhOHl)
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"whatever it takes to go home safe at end of shift."
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I would state that is whatever is necessary to get my pension. This is how they think after 5 years on a police force. If they've got 15 years to go they are bailing out now.
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I would state that is whatever is necessary to get my pension. This is how they think after 5 years on a police force. If they've got 15 years to go they are bailing out now.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 29, 2023 12:32 PM (yRved)
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What we need is safer guns and safer bullets.
Posted by: Joycelyn Elders at January 29, 2023 12:31 PM (DhOHl)
moar condoms
Posted by: Joycelyn Elders at January 29, 2023 12:31 PM (DhOHl)
moar condoms
Posted by: BignJames at January 29, 2023 12:32 PM (AwYPR)
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I think the militarization of police forces is attracting some bad apples to the profession. You see cops in the news now, and they look like soldiers in combat, with all the webgear and helmets and automatic weapons they have. And when cops act like soldiers, it makes it easier for them to see the public as enemy soldiers.
I'm not saying all cops are like this; I'm saying, I believe it's a thing that happens.
When I was growing up, the only cops with helmets were on motorcycles. Now they have machine guns and armored vehicles. What changed?
I'm not saying all cops are like this; I'm saying, I believe it's a thing that happens.
When I was growing up, the only cops with helmets were on motorcycles. Now they have machine guns and armored vehicles. What changed?
Posted by: DB at January 29, 2023 12:32 PM (geLO8)
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Look how many times we have seen a Black suspect totally do everything wrong when confronted by police and end up dead when it appears a little cooperation would be safer
Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2023 12:32 PM (xhxe8)
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Can anyone explain why the media ignores the other 350 plus homicides that occur in Memphis annually?
Posted by: Help me out here at January 29, 2023 12:33 PM (nnIN9)
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“Welly, welly, welly, welly, welly, welly, well. To what do I owe the extreme pleasure of this surprising visit?”
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 29, 2023 12:34 PM (yRved)
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Can anyone explain why the media ignores the other 350 plus homicides that occur in Memphis annually?
They've been told to present stories that show cops in a bad light, not stories that present the yutes in a bad light.
They've been told to present stories that show cops in a bad light, not stories that present the yutes in a bad light.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 29, 2023 12:34 PM (lc5cP)
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Policing is broken because the progs broke it intentionally for a number of reasons.
Foremost among these is the desire to federalize local policing. Forces imported and directed from other locations are more willing to kill people.
They had a federalization bill in the wings before Trayvon Martin; they actually trotted it out after Ferguson briefly before realizing Mike Brown was too big a POS and the cop was going to (correctly) walk. The game is to find the biggest POS their base will accept to ensure as many non-progs object as possible so they can be painted as racist opposition.
Now... note in Memphis they're claiming - with an obviously bad use of force - that the right is now not backing the cops because they're black. To your typical NPC, they know zerp details and take at face value the assertion that Floyd and this are similar (same retards who still think black protesters were shot in Kenosha)
Foremost among these is the desire to federalize local policing. Forces imported and directed from other locations are more willing to kill people.
They had a federalization bill in the wings before Trayvon Martin; they actually trotted it out after Ferguson briefly before realizing Mike Brown was too big a POS and the cop was going to (correctly) walk. The game is to find the biggest POS their base will accept to ensure as many non-progs object as possible so they can be painted as racist opposition.
Now... note in Memphis they're claiming - with an obviously bad use of force - that the right is now not backing the cops because they're black. To your typical NPC, they know zerp details and take at face value the assertion that Floyd and this are similar (same retards who still think black protesters were shot in Kenosha)
Posted by: somedood at January 29, 2023 12:34 PM (jAisO)
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Classic Chris Rock video refers.
Posted by: Just Sayin' at January 29, 2023 12:34 PM (DhOHl)
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I'm wondering what the autopsy will show. I know the family commissioned one (well, the family's attorney commissioned one), but whether it will match up with the state's report is another question. Tyre Nichols wasn't that large of a guy; he was tall, but thin, and there's a reason that 2-3 officers couldn't easily take him into custody. Whether he was unnaturally strong or "chemically enhanced," or whether the Memphis PD doesn't know how to train its officers on how to cuff a resistant suspect remains to be seen.
Posted by: PabloD at January 29, 2023 12:35 PM (zP5wv)
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53 When I was growing up, the only cops with helmets were on motorcycles. Now they have machine guns and armored vehicles. What changed?
Posted by: DB at January 29, 2023 12:32 PM (geLO
North Hollywood. And also regular Hollywood, for different but related reasons.
When you were growing up, it probably wasn't a common occurrence for criminals to shoot it out with police rather than just get arrested and processed. Prior to the 80s and the influx of narco culture, even the hardcore gangsters tried to avoid that.
Posted by: DB at January 29, 2023 12:32 PM (geLO
North Hollywood. And also regular Hollywood, for different but related reasons.
When you were growing up, it probably wasn't a common occurrence for criminals to shoot it out with police rather than just get arrested and processed. Prior to the 80s and the influx of narco culture, even the hardcore gangsters tried to avoid that.
Posted by: CppThis at January 29, 2023 12:35 PM (PZvjL)
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This is all in service of killing us at a later date.
I hate all these people with a burning passion, for having effectively destroyed our civilization. It's a shambling zombie at this point.
I hate all these people with a burning passion, for having effectively destroyed our civilization. It's a shambling zombie at this point.
Posted by: somedood at January 29, 2023 12:36 PM (jAisO)
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The radical left has co-opted the blacks historic distrust in cops. Blacks didn't dream up "fry pigs like bacon" or the defund movement on their own. They had and continue to have help in fostering hate against authority/LE.
Not that law enforcement and the adjacent justice system isn't fucked anyway... but the left did that to those institutions as well.
Not that law enforcement and the adjacent justice system isn't fucked anyway... but the left did that to those institutions as well.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 29, 2023 12:37 PM (Q4IgG)
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I have read that the police recruitment problems in Memphis are so severe that they hire convicted felons, which seems unbelievable.
In Portland twenty years ago, to be a cop you had to have a four-year degree from a university, or equivalent military experience.
Now, Portland only requires a GED - because of recruitment problems.
Of course the cops aren't as good.
In Portland twenty years ago, to be a cop you had to have a four-year degree from a university, or equivalent military experience.
Now, Portland only requires a GED - because of recruitment problems.
Of course the cops aren't as good.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 29, 2023 12:37 PM (2tUFv)
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Foremost among these is the desire to federalize local policing. Forces imported and directed from other locations are more willing to kill people.
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All law enforcement should be housed at the state and local level. If the Feds want to write a law - good. But they should never be allowed to enforce a Fed law. Only State AGs will decide whether they want to enforce it within the State. Dittos Sheriffs. This is Our Democracy not the Department of Just Us.
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All law enforcement should be housed at the state and local level. If the Feds want to write a law - good. But they should never be allowed to enforce a Fed law. Only State AGs will decide whether they want to enforce it within the State. Dittos Sheriffs. This is Our Democracy not the Department of Just Us.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 29, 2023 12:38 PM (yRved)
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Jemele Hill
@jemelehill
I need so many people to understand this regarding Tyre Nichols. Several of the police officers who murdered Freddie Gray were Black. The entire system of policing is based on white supremacist violence. We see people under the boot of oppression carry its water all the time.
@jemelehill
I need so many people to understand this regarding Tyre Nichols. Several of the police officers who murdered Freddie Gray were Black. The entire system of policing is based on white supremacist violence. We see people under the boot of oppression carry its water all the time.
Posted by: redridinghood at January 29, 2023 12:40 PM (NpAcC)
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You can't have community policing without communities.
A few hundred thousand people thrown together against their will is not a community. A community is NOT diverse.
In a community, if they do not want immigrants, they don't have it forced on them. In a community, gov. does not ram section 8 up your ass unless you live in exclusive gated community (Or Mt. Laurel, or obama mandated shit.)
A few hundred thousand people thrown together against their will is not a community. A community is NOT diverse.
In a community, if they do not want immigrants, they don't have it forced on them. In a community, gov. does not ram section 8 up your ass unless you live in exclusive gated community (Or Mt. Laurel, or obama mandated shit.)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 29, 2023 12:40 PM (T6W8V)
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"60 I'm wondering what the autopsy will show. I know the family commissioned one (well, the family's attorney commissioned one), but whether it will match up with the state's report is another question.
Posted by: PabloD at January 29, 2023 12:35 PM (zP5wv)"
Really doesn't matter. The cops fucked up bigly here, no tox report is going to save them. There isn't much he could have done prior that wouldn't make this a slam dunk firing... hence the immediate firing of all of them.
Posted by: PabloD at January 29, 2023 12:35 PM (zP5wv)"
Really doesn't matter. The cops fucked up bigly here, no tox report is going to save them. There isn't much he could have done prior that wouldn't make this a slam dunk firing... hence the immediate firing of all of them.
Posted by: somedood at January 29, 2023 12:41 PM (jAisO)
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Old Chris Rock clip "How to not get your ass beat by the police"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYmzbO0cUHo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYmzbO0cUHo
Posted by: Stacy0311 at January 29, 2023 12:42 PM (VfLe7)
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In a community, if they do not want immigrants, they don't have it forced on them. In a community, gov. does not ram section 8 up your ass unless you live in exclusive gated community (Or Mt. Laurel, or obama mandated shit.)
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The Swiss get to vote on the citizenship of a legal immigrant. If they neighbors of the applicant say 'no', then its 'no' to citizenship and they are deported. That's how things should work.
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The Swiss get to vote on the citizenship of a legal immigrant. If they neighbors of the applicant say 'no', then its 'no' to citizenship and they are deported. That's how things should work.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 29, 2023 12:42 PM (yRved)
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You see cops in the news now, and they look like soldiers in combat, with all the webgear and helmets and automatic weapons they have. And when cops act like soldiers, it makes it easier for them to see the public as enemy soldiers.
A few years ago, I was in the tourist town of Mt. Shasta, California, whose crime problems are basically limited to transients occasionally breaking into the cars of tourists.
I saw two of the town cops, who looked roided out, and were dressed in paramilitary jumpsuits, with mirror sunglasses on.
I thought: "Really?"
A few years ago, I was in the tourist town of Mt. Shasta, California, whose crime problems are basically limited to transients occasionally breaking into the cars of tourists.
I saw two of the town cops, who looked roided out, and were dressed in paramilitary jumpsuits, with mirror sunglasses on.
I thought: "Really?"
Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 29, 2023 12:42 PM (2tUFv)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 29, 2023 12:42 PM (u73oe)
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I live in a community. It is called Japan.
In Japan, people do not like cops driving behind them.
Cops do not like people being nervous when they are behind them.
This is solved by policy that police do not give tickets to random people they see. They have "campaign days" where they drive with lights on enforcing traffic rules. On other days they are just another car on the road. Think about this.
This is how communities police. USA is lost.
In Japan, people do not like cops driving behind them.
Cops do not like people being nervous when they are behind them.
This is solved by policy that police do not give tickets to random people they see. They have "campaign days" where they drive with lights on enforcing traffic rules. On other days they are just another car on the road. Think about this.
This is how communities police. USA is lost.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 29, 2023 12:42 PM (T6W8V)
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No rational person would choose to be a city cop right now. Back when I was associated with SCC's blog it was practically a running joke that those already in the system were just running out the clock to get the pension they'd paid into.
Posted by: CppThis at January 29, 2023 12:42 PM (PZvjL)
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Look how many times we have seen a Black suspect totally do everything wrong when confronted by police and end up dead when it appears a little cooperation would be safer
Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2023 12:32 PM (xhxe
I watched the 4 videos and the 1st video shows the police officers attempting to get Nichols in an arm-bar. He wouldn't cooperate and got pepper sprayed and tasered. The taser barbs seem to have been caught in Nichols's coat (so no good connection), then he pulled off his coat and fled on foot.
Video 2 appears to be from a house. Nichols gets apprehended again and the cops attempt to dog-pile him. He still won't cooperate and maybe got pepper-sprayed again. One of the cops walks away and seems to be clearing his eyes. The same one comes back into the scrum and kicks Nichols in the head several times. At this point it's on like Donkey Kong and the cops proceed to beat the $h!t out of Nichols.
The first contact was fine, then the cops lost their tempers on the second contact and used excessive force. However, Nichols would be alive if he had not resisted arrest on that first contact.
Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2023 12:32 PM (xhxe
I watched the 4 videos and the 1st video shows the police officers attempting to get Nichols in an arm-bar. He wouldn't cooperate and got pepper sprayed and tasered. The taser barbs seem to have been caught in Nichols's coat (so no good connection), then he pulled off his coat and fled on foot.
Video 2 appears to be from a house. Nichols gets apprehended again and the cops attempt to dog-pile him. He still won't cooperate and maybe got pepper-sprayed again. One of the cops walks away and seems to be clearing his eyes. The same one comes back into the scrum and kicks Nichols in the head several times. At this point it's on like Donkey Kong and the cops proceed to beat the $h!t out of Nichols.
The first contact was fine, then the cops lost their tempers on the second contact and used excessive force. However, Nichols would be alive if he had not resisted arrest on that first contact.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at January 29, 2023 12:43 PM (pJWtt)
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I have read that the police recruitment problems in Memphis are so severe that they hire convicted felons, which seems unbelievable.
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Not true.
The part about hiring CFs.
Recruiting problem, yes and about to get much worse.
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Not true.
The part about hiring CFs.
Recruiting problem, yes and about to get much worse.
Posted by: Help me out here at January 29, 2023 12:44 PM (nnIN9)
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redridinghood was Freddy Gray the one in back of paddy wagon?
Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2023 12:44 PM (xhxe8)
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Foremost among these is the desire to federalize local policing. Forces imported and directed from other locations are more willing to kill people.
Bingo.
One of the major bulwarks against tyranny are elected sheriffs - of course the Left wants to get rid of them.
Bingo.
One of the major bulwarks against tyranny are elected sheriffs - of course the Left wants to get rid of them.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 29, 2023 12:44 PM (2tUFv)
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74 No rational person would choose to be a city cop right now.
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Same is true about the Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force. You'd be a fool to sign up now.
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Same is true about the Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force. You'd be a fool to sign up now.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 29, 2023 12:44 PM (yRved)
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>I have read that the police recruitment problems in Memphis are so severe that they hire convicted felons, which seems unbelievable.
this happened in Washington DC back in the 70s and 80s. There were guys on Metro PD who had actually done time
this happened in Washington DC back in the 70s and 80s. There were guys on Metro PD who had actually done time
Posted by: DB at January 29, 2023 12:44 PM (geLO8)
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What about that New Zealand kid - have any of you heard of that?
I just did yesterday - kid was scared and stuck in snow in CO, so cops shot him.
I was surprised it was not big news.
I just did yesterday - kid was scared and stuck in snow in CO, so cops shot him.
I was surprised it was not big news.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 29, 2023 12:45 PM (T6W8V)
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It's been reported the cops dragged Nichols out of thr car when he was stopped for a simple infraction.
Do the same to me and watch me run the first chance I get.
I suspect Nichols had a hunch about those cops from the beginning.
Do the same to me and watch me run the first chance I get.
I suspect Nichols had a hunch about those cops from the beginning.
Posted by: creeper at January 29, 2023 12:45 PM (cTCuP)
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One of the major bulwarks against tyranny are elected sheriffs - of course the Left wants to get rid of them.
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This was the main aim of the Night of the Long Knives. And it worked.
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This was the main aim of the Night of the Long Knives. And it worked.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 29, 2023 12:45 PM (yRved)
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somedood - the autopsy will probably make a huge difference in terms of their defense to the criminal charges. Firing them for excessive use of force is one thing; convicting them of murder or manslaughter if they didn't actually cause the death is another.
Now, in terms of what a jury does with the information, that's another thing. I figured that the officers in the George Floyd case would be acquitted once it came out that St. George had a ton of fentanyl in his system. The jury had a different take on the situation; one that may have had more to do with saving their own skins and the city than with the finer points of reasonable doubt.
Now, in terms of what a jury does with the information, that's another thing. I figured that the officers in the George Floyd case would be acquitted once it came out that St. George had a ton of fentanyl in his system. The jury had a different take on the situation; one that may have had more to do with saving their own skins and the city than with the finer points of reasonable doubt.
Posted by: PabloD at January 29, 2023 12:45 PM (zP5wv)
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73 This is solved by policy that police do not give tickets to random people they see. They have "campaign days" where they drive with lights on enforcing traffic rules. On other days they are just another car on the road. Think about this.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 29, 2023 12:42 PM (T6W8V)
Wait, you mean they don't have unmarked cars lying in wait to bust people for doing 38 in a 35 zone? And the system doesn't turn into Mad Max time because surely it must? Amazing!
Also worth noting that Japan seems to be weathering the storms of wokeness, third world immigration, etc. remarkably well too. Strong culture makes strong community. Weak culture makes Detroit.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 29, 2023 12:42 PM (T6W8V)
Wait, you mean they don't have unmarked cars lying in wait to bust people for doing 38 in a 35 zone? And the system doesn't turn into Mad Max time because surely it must? Amazing!
Also worth noting that Japan seems to be weathering the storms of wokeness, third world immigration, etc. remarkably well too. Strong culture makes strong community. Weak culture makes Detroit.
Posted by: CppThis at January 29, 2023 12:46 PM (PZvjL)
Posted by: Those two guys on C*H*I*P*S at January 29, 2023 12:47 PM (DhOHl)
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When the reason given for the traffic stop is 'reckless driving', I have to wonder because Memphis is loaded with dangerous drivers, all day, every day, and there is never a cop in sight to stop them.
They way that the officers approached the car with guns drawn, and then yanked him out of the car right away...
They way they were congratulating each other...
The way they were immediately collaborating on a narrative...
Not one of them looked like they were in peak physical condition; did you see how out of breath the one cop was after running a few feet?
I think there is probably a LOT under the surface here that we may never hear about and maybe that's why the justice seems so swift and complete. Maybe these 'scorpions' have a history of this and are accustomed to getting away with it? They sure seemed to enjoy it.
They way that the officers approached the car with guns drawn, and then yanked him out of the car right away...
They way they were congratulating each other...
The way they were immediately collaborating on a narrative...
Not one of them looked like they were in peak physical condition; did you see how out of breath the one cop was after running a few feet?
I think there is probably a LOT under the surface here that we may never hear about and maybe that's why the justice seems so swift and complete. Maybe these 'scorpions' have a history of this and are accustomed to getting away with it? They sure seemed to enjoy it.
Posted by: RondinellaMamma Donald J. Trump is our duly elected president at January 29, 2023 12:48 PM (l0Cy4)
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Obamas have chimed.
BLM... blah blah blah.
BLM... blah blah blah.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at January 29, 2023 12:48 PM (GVEFo)
Posted by: Help me out here at January 29, 2023 12:48 PM (nnIN9)
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Note how effectively the MSM *and* the hordes of DEI HR people let them shape the narrative. Even if you disagree with the MSM, doing it at the water cooler will often get you fired. HR diversity czars serve the function of zampolits and comissars.
In this case: support good use of force on dirtbag (Floyd, Brown), your're a racist. Oppose bad use of force... you're a racist, because the cops are black... even if they're also saying the cops beat him because of racism.
There is no potential for honest interaction with these people. It's all Calvinball and the only way this ends is with a lot of people in ditches
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In this case: support good use of force on dirtbag (Floyd, Brown), your're a racist. Oppose bad use of force... you're a racist, because the cops are black... even if they're also saying the cops beat him because of racism.
There is no potential for honest interaction with these people. It's all Calvinball and the only way this ends is with a lot of people in ditches
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Posted by: somedood at January 29, 2023 12:48 PM (jAisO)
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Of course, policing is broken. The police's customer is no longer the public but the media and democrat pressure groups.
Once again, an opposition party is monstrously conspicuous by its absence.
Once again, an opposition party is monstrously conspicuous by its absence.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 29, 2023 12:48 PM (roH4R)
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Just ask Kelly Thomas.
Posted by: OCBill at January 29, 2023 12:49 PM (SUECK)
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Part of this surge is due to police pulling back on blacks post St. George of Fetanyl. Now they are going to have to tighten the screws back to normal cuz black youts have gone Shit House Rat Crazy. It won't be pretty.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 29, 2023 12:49 PM (yRved)
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It is, from what I understand, easier to kill someone with your hands (and batons) than is generally assumed, and that chance multiplies when you have more than one person. I don't say that as an excuse; its still evil and wrong to bludgeon someone to death for running away from you, just as a potential explanation. I seriously doubt these guys MEANT to kill him.
I can envision exactly what happened. Cops hate chasing someone, and generally will give up if the guy is getting away or the chase is too far. I can imagine them huffing and puffing, having caught up with this guy and taking it out on him. That's just bad training, bad demeanor for a cop, and childish. These guys were bad cops, at least in that moment.
I can envision exactly what happened. Cops hate chasing someone, and generally will give up if the guy is getting away or the chase is too far. I can imagine them huffing and puffing, having caught up with this guy and taking it out on him. That's just bad training, bad demeanor for a cop, and childish. These guys were bad cops, at least in that moment.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 29, 2023 12:49 PM (0hOvj)
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But...and this is the point of this post...while I am a critic of policing in America, until the push-back against it is non-violent, I will continue to support the police. Protest all you want. But the second your protest turns violent you will lose me, and my support for the police will reset to a reflexive: "sorry, but you were rioting...you got what you deserved."
I personally don't care what kind of push-back they use. My biggest problem is that they don't direct it at the people they are directly pushing back against.
If you punch me in the face and in frustration I go home to kick the dog, I'm not protesting. I'm being a dickhead.
You want to violently protest the police? Then why are you robbing liquor stores, that's not where the cops are? Be a f*cking man and go to the police station, that's where they are.
Unless, of course, you don't really give a rats ass about your so-called cause. Unless it's just another excuse to break shit and terrorize people. And unless it's another excuse for our government to turn its shock-troops against normal citizens.
I personally don't care what kind of push-back they use. My biggest problem is that they don't direct it at the people they are directly pushing back against.
If you punch me in the face and in frustration I go home to kick the dog, I'm not protesting. I'm being a dickhead.
You want to violently protest the police? Then why are you robbing liquor stores, that's not where the cops are? Be a f*cking man and go to the police station, that's where they are.
Unless, of course, you don't really give a rats ass about your so-called cause. Unless it's just another excuse to break shit and terrorize people. And unless it's another excuse for our government to turn its shock-troops against normal citizens.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 29, 2023 12:49 PM (Y30y6)
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The first contact was fine, then the cops lost their tempers on the second contact and used excessive force. However, Nichols would be alive if he had not resisted arrest on that first contact.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop
I kind of agree with this, but still.
1. The initial seemed so disorganized. Yelling at him to get on the ground when he was on the ground, yelling at him to give them his hand when he is holding his hand up and they just had to grab it,...
Is it really that hard to control someone in such a situation? He was outnumbered and on the ground. I think if they had a plan and some skill, they could have controlled him without taser or spray.
2. Man were they winded after the run. OK, running is hard but they were sucking wind for 5 minutes after. Is that normal?
(these are legitimate questions I have)
The first contact was fine, then the cops lost their tempers on the second contact and used excessive force. However, Nichols would be alive if he had not resisted arrest on that first contact.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop
I kind of agree with this, but still.
1. The initial seemed so disorganized. Yelling at him to get on the ground when he was on the ground, yelling at him to give them his hand when he is holding his hand up and they just had to grab it,...
Is it really that hard to control someone in such a situation? He was outnumbered and on the ground. I think if they had a plan and some skill, they could have controlled him without taser or spray.
2. Man were they winded after the run. OK, running is hard but they were sucking wind for 5 minutes after. Is that normal?
(these are legitimate questions I have)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 29, 2023 12:50 PM (T6W8V)
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He might very well have been driving recklessly.
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I know that's not your focus, but do we have any evidence of that, aside from the word of the guys that murdered him?
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I know that's not your focus, but do we have any evidence of that, aside from the word of the guys that murdered him?
Posted by: Methos at January 29, 2023 12:52 PM (kOpft)
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It's not a policing problem, its a culture problem, of a culture that bases their entire identity on race.
These 5 were nothing more than street thugs in uniform.
Nichols 'disrespected' them by ignoring their precious authority and running, and they had to punish him for that.
These 5 were nothing more than street thugs in uniform.
Nichols 'disrespected' them by ignoring their precious authority and running, and they had to punish him for that.
Posted by: DudeAbiding at January 29, 2023 12:53 PM (setIA)
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"84 somedood - the autopsy will probably make a huge difference in terms of their defense to the criminal charges. Firing them for excessive use of force is one thing; convicting them of murder or manslaughter if they didn't actually cause the death is another."
No.
The third party video dooms these guys. They are capital F Fucked. Doesn't matter if he actually died from ingesting drugs like Floyd - being realistic here, not talking about law because law doesn't matter - it's the criminality of their actions that will screw them.
No.
The third party video dooms these guys. They are capital F Fucked. Doesn't matter if he actually died from ingesting drugs like Floyd - being realistic here, not talking about law because law doesn't matter - it's the criminality of their actions that will screw them.
Posted by: somedood at January 29, 2023 12:53 PM (jAisO)
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2. Man were they winded after the run. OK, running is hard but they were sucking wind for 5 minutes after. Is that normal?
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These guys lift weights and sit in a car all day. Running ain't what they are trained to do. Plus they are wearing ballistic vests and a belt full of guns and stuff. Try sprinting with that on after spending 7 hours cruising around in a car.
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These guys lift weights and sit in a car all day. Running ain't what they are trained to do. Plus they are wearing ballistic vests and a belt full of guns and stuff. Try sprinting with that on after spending 7 hours cruising around in a car.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 29, 2023 12:53 PM (yRved)
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I think part of the reason the officers had trouble running after Nichols is because, on at least two occasions, some dumbass deployed pepper spray when everybody was huddled around trying to get him into custody. On the original traffic stop camera, you see one officer flushing out the other officer's eyes with a water bottle. On the second contact, at least one officer walks away complaining about the spray. How about you put away the can of OC and maybe grab an arm or leg, or put your weight on the guy instead of spraying your fellow officers with a substance that makes it hard to breathe and see.
Posted by: PabloD at January 29, 2023 12:54 PM (zP5wv)
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Wait, you mean they don't have unmarked cars lying in wait to bust people for doing 38 in a 35 zone? And the system doesn't turn into Mad Max time because surely it must? Amazing!
Posted by: CppThis
Why would they? The only reason to do that is to feed the Criminal Justice Industrial Complex, that is to raise money for the courts and lawyers.
But why would a free people ever tolerate such a thing. Never.
Posted by: CppThis
Why would they? The only reason to do that is to feed the Criminal Justice Industrial Complex, that is to raise money for the courts and lawyers.
But why would a free people ever tolerate such a thing. Never.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 29, 2023 12:55 PM (T6W8V)
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BLM and Antifa and the various other communist-inspired groups will continue to foment violence instead of peaceful protest, and that will be the reason that a comprehensive examination and overhaul of American policing will not occur.
Enforce traffic laws, investigate crimes. Do the police thing absolutely. But, when BLM and Antifa show up in your town, maybe advise the police to stay out of the way?
I've written here before how they decided to come to my small town. They were met by over 100 armed citizens lining the street. They didn't stay.
Enforce traffic laws, investigate crimes. Do the police thing absolutely. But, when BLM and Antifa show up in your town, maybe advise the police to stay out of the way?
I've written here before how they decided to come to my small town. They were met by over 100 armed citizens lining the street. They didn't stay.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 29, 2023 12:56 PM (anj39)
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Does CBD know that big city cops and Antifa are both run by the Demonrat machine? That's why when the Proud Boys "pushed back" against Antifa, they got thrown into the cooler.
As a reminder, the Constitution specifically calls for a well regulated militia as being necessary to the security of a free state. It says nothing about cops.
Until I see real police "pushback" against Antifa, #ACAB.
As a reminder, the Constitution specifically calls for a well regulated militia as being necessary to the security of a free state. It says nothing about cops.
Until I see real police "pushback" against Antifa, #ACAB.
Posted by: Donkey Joto at January 29, 2023 12:56 PM (jB5JF)
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95 You want to violently protest the police? Then why are you robbing liquor stores, that's not where the cops are? Be a f*cking man and go to the police station, that's where they are.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 29, 2023 12:49 PM (Y30y6)
I was kind of impressed by that one yugely well armed black militia protest in Louisville after a crook's gun moll got shot. They showed up loaded for bear but not rioting, did their protest outside some government buildings, and then left. IIRC the only casualty was one of them accidentally shooting himself in the leg.
It was also notable for being one of the few protests/riots that was 100% black. Everything else, starting with Minneapolis, Angry Black Man may have been the first rank but standing right behind him was Covid-furloughed Karen egging him on.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 29, 2023 12:49 PM (Y30y6)
I was kind of impressed by that one yugely well armed black militia protest in Louisville after a crook's gun moll got shot. They showed up loaded for bear but not rioting, did their protest outside some government buildings, and then left. IIRC the only casualty was one of them accidentally shooting himself in the leg.
It was also notable for being one of the few protests/riots that was 100% black. Everything else, starting with Minneapolis, Angry Black Man may have been the first rank but standing right behind him was Covid-furloughed Karen egging him on.
Posted by: CppThis at January 29, 2023 12:56 PM (PZvjL)
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2. Man were they winded after the run. OK, running is hard but they were sucking wind for 5 minutes after. Is that normal?
Completely normal. In fact its a miracle none of them had a heart attack
Completely normal. In fact its a miracle none of them had a heart attack
Posted by: Pfizer at January 29, 2023 12:57 PM (lc5cP)
Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 29, 2023 12:57 PM (roH4R)
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92 Just ask Kelly Thomas.
Posted by: OCBill at January 29, 2023 12:49 PM (SUECK)
One of the worst cases I've ever seen. The cops beat him to death simply because they could, and because the first cop in the interaction was just itching to beat someone. It's like the Daniel Shaver case - that cop was just itching to shoot somebody and came up with a sadistic, no-win game of Simon Says so he could do it.
Posted by: OCBill at January 29, 2023 12:49 PM (SUECK)
One of the worst cases I've ever seen. The cops beat him to death simply because they could, and because the first cop in the interaction was just itching to beat someone. It's like the Daniel Shaver case - that cop was just itching to shoot somebody and came up with a sadistic, no-win game of Simon Says so he could do it.
Posted by: Bad people, bad society, bad training at January 29, 2023 12:57 PM (UKe2c)
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>>>They had a federalization bill in the wings before Trayvon Martin; they actually trotted it out after Ferguson briefly before realizing Mike Brown was too big a POS and the cop was going to (correctly) walk. The game is to find the biggest POS their base will accept to ensure as many non-progs object as possible so they can be painted as racist opposition.
That was a sound rational explanation why they only focus on the questionable cases of police brutality and ignore clear-cut wrongs.
To deliberately cause more racial strife.
Thanks Obamas.
That was a sound rational explanation why they only focus on the questionable cases of police brutality and ignore clear-cut wrongs.
To deliberately cause more racial strife.
Thanks Obamas.
Posted by: Itinerant Alley Butcher at January 29, 2023 12:58 PM (GVEFo)
110
(these are legitimate questions I have)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 29, 2023 12:50 PM (T6W8V)
The only vid I saw was the body cam thing released this weekend. The cop who pepper sprayed himself, and was clearly pissed about that. When the six minute video ended, he was preparing his retractable night stick. I guess that's when the "bad stuff" happened. I didn't see any of it.
For me, the bottom line is, you fight with cops, bad things will happen to you. If you are a cop, and someone is fighting with you, I don't know at what point you stop being a controlled force, and become a criminal menace, which is apparently what happened here.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 29, 2023 12:50 PM (T6W8V)
The only vid I saw was the body cam thing released this weekend. The cop who pepper sprayed himself, and was clearly pissed about that. When the six minute video ended, he was preparing his retractable night stick. I guess that's when the "bad stuff" happened. I didn't see any of it.
For me, the bottom line is, you fight with cops, bad things will happen to you. If you are a cop, and someone is fighting with you, I don't know at what point you stop being a controlled force, and become a criminal menace, which is apparently what happened here.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 29, 2023 12:58 PM (M2qSa)
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>where you assume that anyone not of your tribe is trying to cheat you ...
When everyone is othered your tribe becomes smaller.
it's the blacks and hispanics and trailer trash whites, it's the affluent rich bitches and uncle tom blacks, the single tramp moms and illegals having 10 kids, the teachers and unions, the cops, the doctors and nurses, vaxed, not vaxed, big pharma, big oil, big commerce, even big religion, the greedy lawyers and accountants with their loopholes, the crooked slimy politicians and their ilk, wall street, hollywood, the lame street media not to mention the mafia and the common every day welfare sponges, gyspies, tramps and thieves.
Makes for a smaller tribe when we other everyone.
When everyone is othered your tribe becomes smaller.
it's the blacks and hispanics and trailer trash whites, it's the affluent rich bitches and uncle tom blacks, the single tramp moms and illegals having 10 kids, the teachers and unions, the cops, the doctors and nurses, vaxed, not vaxed, big pharma, big oil, big commerce, even big religion, the greedy lawyers and accountants with their loopholes, the crooked slimy politicians and their ilk, wall street, hollywood, the lame street media not to mention the mafia and the common every day welfare sponges, gyspies, tramps and thieves.
Makes for a smaller tribe when we other everyone.
Posted by: old chick at January 29, 2023 12:58 PM (sOete)
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How about you put away the can of OC and maybe grab an arm or leg, or put your weight on the guy instead of spraying your fellow officers with a substance that makes it hard to breathe and see.
Posted by: PabloD at January 29, 2023 12:54 PM (zP5wv)
Pretty sure that's not allowed after St. George.
Posted by: PabloD at January 29, 2023 12:54 PM (zP5wv)
Pretty sure that's not allowed after St. George.
Posted by: BignJames at January 29, 2023 12:58 PM (AwYPR)
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62
'I hate all these people with a burning passion'
I know what you mean. It feels like a nuclear reactor inside me sometimes.
'I hate all these people with a burning passion'
I know what you mean. It feels like a nuclear reactor inside me sometimes.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 29, 2023 12:58 PM (roH4R)
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If it wasn't so dangerously stupid, it'd be charmingly naive to think peaceful protest will change the pigs' attitude and behavior.
Posted by: Beezle at January 29, 2023 12:59 PM (RhoOf)
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To be clear this isn't just "oops we got mad and beat him too much", there are clear things done here showing they intended to tune him up and fabricate a justification. They're not just bent cops, they're stupid bent cops. Smart ones could have gotten away with it. It was stupid because the things they did to build the excuse don't work with third party footage; they got lazy.
Whether "we meant to criminally beat him but not kill him" is supposed to be manslaughter doesn't matter. We are a nation ruled by men, not laws.
Whether "we meant to criminally beat him but not kill him" is supposed to be manslaughter doesn't matter. We are a nation ruled by men, not laws.
Posted by: somedood at January 29, 2023 12:59 PM (jAisO)
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You know.
What is a young, fatherless black kid supposed to do? He has no context or education. He has no one to look up to other that rap stars and professional athletes. Schools matriculate them regardless of effort or achievement. Everything on social media, teevee and the movies tells them they are worthless thugs. To be popular, you are vile. You have no respect for anything. You grab your crotch and some the dope and abuse women.
Unless we are going to ship every last black person back to africa, we need to help society figure it out. Because it IS our problem.
What is a young, fatherless black kid supposed to do? He has no context or education. He has no one to look up to other that rap stars and professional athletes. Schools matriculate them regardless of effort or achievement. Everything on social media, teevee and the movies tells them they are worthless thugs. To be popular, you are vile. You have no respect for anything. You grab your crotch and some the dope and abuse women.
Unless we are going to ship every last black person back to africa, we need to help society figure it out. Because it IS our problem.
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 29, 2023 01:00 PM (U2p+3)
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I can envision exactly what happened. Cops hate chasing someone, and generally will give up if the guy is getting away or the chase is too far. I can imagine them huffing and puffing, having caught up with this guy and taking it out on him. That's just bad training, bad demeanor for a cop, and childish. These guys were bad cops, at least in that moment.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Can't we all just get along?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
Can't we all just get along?
Posted by: Rodney King at January 29, 2023 01:00 PM (T6W8V)
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OT and unrelated to anything...
Tom Verlaine died yesterday. Guitarist for the group, Television. I'm listening to Marquee Moon right now, one of the greatest songs of all time. I had the privilege of seeing them live, in the 90s. Magnificent show, incredible guitar player, the solo in the middle of that song is sublime and should only go on longer and longer, maybe forever.
In the next life, Tom...
Tom Verlaine died yesterday. Guitarist for the group, Television. I'm listening to Marquee Moon right now, one of the greatest songs of all time. I had the privilege of seeing them live, in the 90s. Magnificent show, incredible guitar player, the solo in the middle of that song is sublime and should only go on longer and longer, maybe forever.
In the next life, Tom...
Posted by: BurtTC at January 29, 2023 01:00 PM (M2qSa)
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Whalen your goal is to undermine every institution subtlety and distinction between circumstances are not required.
When it becomes politically untenable for the democrats to allow Antifa to exist, it will cease.
When it becomes politically untenable for the democrats to allow Antifa to exist, it will cease.
Posted by: Pete Bog at January 29, 2023 01:00 PM (/yVB8)
120
Whalen? When
Posted by: Pete Bog at January 29, 2023 01:00 PM (/yVB8)
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My city police are pretty laid back. Not as laid back as when there were only five of them but fairly relaxed.
Every once in a while we get a new rookie that has their shit wired excessively tight but they either relax or get let go.
Every once in a while we get a new rookie that has their shit wired excessively tight but they either relax or get let go.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 29, 2023 01:01 PM (yQpMk)
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redridinghood was Freddy Gray the one in back of paddy wagon?
Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2023 12:44 PM (xhxe
******
Yes.
Glendale Arizona FOP Lodge 12
@GlendaleFOP12
Replying to @jemelehill
First off, nobody murdered Freddie Gray. A black judge known for his advocacy in the Civil Rights realm laughed the activist prosecutor out of court twice. Those officers are innocent.
Secondly, nobody believes this was racist.
Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2023 12:44 PM (xhxe
******
Yes.
Glendale Arizona FOP Lodge 12
@GlendaleFOP12
Replying to @jemelehill
First off, nobody murdered Freddie Gray. A black judge known for his advocacy in the Civil Rights realm laughed the activist prosecutor out of court twice. Those officers are innocent.
Secondly, nobody believes this was racist.
Posted by: redridinghood at January 29, 2023 01:01 PM (NpAcC)
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Our county sheriffs will break your balls though.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 29, 2023 01:01 PM (yQpMk)
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Unless we are going to ship every last black person back to africa, we need to help society figure it out. Because it IS our problem.
Posted by: nurse ratched
OK. I pick door number 1.
(This is joke. read the nick.)
Posted by: nurse ratched
OK. I pick door number 1.
(This is joke. read the nick.)
Posted by: Pat Buchanan at January 29, 2023 01:02 PM (T6W8V)
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 29, 2023 01:02 PM (U2p+3)
126
I have lived in a very lower middle class neighborhood, and I can tell you that compared to where I live now, which is very upper middle-class, the police were extremely confrontational and hostile. I think a lot of what passes for racism is really classism, certainly from my experience when I went from my poor neighborhood to my rich neighborhood my interactions with the police changed 180°
Posted by: Dan in Philly at January 29, 2023 01:02 PM (KgwaR)
127
I'm actually shocked the Memphis PD didn't end up with the dead dude's car under civil forfeiture.
Posted by: Roy at January 29, 2023 01:02 PM (rqgpJ)
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What happened in Memphis was a shit show and can't be defended and must be prosecuted.
However one then has to figure why this is happening. First some form of bad police conduct has always existed
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Who do the cops answer to?
Do you see much of this in any area where there is any possibility anything other than the favored Democrat is going to be running everything? Setting aside whether the voting population is brainwashed, or artificially fortified, if the people at the top of the food chain are never under any real threat of consequences, why would the culture they build be any different?
However one then has to figure why this is happening. First some form of bad police conduct has always existed
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Who do the cops answer to?
Do you see much of this in any area where there is any possibility anything other than the favored Democrat is going to be running everything? Setting aside whether the voting population is brainwashed, or artificially fortified, if the people at the top of the food chain are never under any real threat of consequences, why would the culture they build be any different?
Posted by: Methos at January 29, 2023 01:02 PM (kOpft)
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I kind of agree with this, but still.
1. The initial seemed so disorganized. ...
Is it really that hard to control someone in such a situation? He was outnumbered and on the ground. I think if they had a plan and some skill, they could have controlled him without taser or spray.
2. Man were they winded after the run. OK, running is hard but they were sucking wind for 5 minutes after. Is that normal?
(these are legitimate questions I have)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 29, 2023 12:50 PM (T6W8V)
1. They had one hand, Nichols had the other tucked under his torso. That's why they were telling him "give me your hand." They were trying to handcuff him and Nichols was resisting arrest. This is very obvious to me.
Police work can be ugly. They weren't trying to intentionally harm Nichols on the first contact. That's why multiple officers tried to dog-pile him to subdue him with their weight. Pepper spray and taser actually reduce injuries to suspects and cops.
Once they got pissed, they teed-off one at a time.
2. Sitting in a cruiser doesn't help your cardio-vascular system. We get fat. No surprises they were short of breath.
1. The initial seemed so disorganized. ...
Is it really that hard to control someone in such a situation? He was outnumbered and on the ground. I think if they had a plan and some skill, they could have controlled him without taser or spray.
2. Man were they winded after the run. OK, running is hard but they were sucking wind for 5 minutes after. Is that normal?
(these are legitimate questions I have)
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 29, 2023 12:50 PM (T6W8V)
1. They had one hand, Nichols had the other tucked under his torso. That's why they were telling him "give me your hand." They were trying to handcuff him and Nichols was resisting arrest. This is very obvious to me.
Police work can be ugly. They weren't trying to intentionally harm Nichols on the first contact. That's why multiple officers tried to dog-pile him to subdue him with their weight. Pepper spray and taser actually reduce injuries to suspects and cops.
Once they got pissed, they teed-off one at a time.
2. Sitting in a cruiser doesn't help your cardio-vascular system. We get fat. No surprises they were short of breath.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at January 29, 2023 01:03 PM (pJWtt)
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81
' kid was scared and stuck in snow in CO, so cops shot him.'
That may sound excessive but I bet it's the last time he pulls that shit.
' kid was scared and stuck in snow in CO, so cops shot him.'
That may sound excessive but I bet it's the last time he pulls that shit.
Posted by: Colorado Snow Patrol at January 29, 2023 01:03 PM (roH4R)
Posted by: SMH at January 29, 2023 01:03 PM (O1Ksx)
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Based, CBD!
Posted by: m at January 29, 2023 01:04 PM (4UYlo)
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126 I have lived in a very lower middle class neighborhood, and I can tell you that compared to where I live now, which is very upper middle-class, the police were extremely confrontational and hostile. I think a lot of what passes for racism is really classism, certainly from my experience when I went from my poor neighborhood to my rich neighborhood my interactions with the police changed 180°
Posted by: Dan in Philly at January 29, 2023 01:02 PM (KgwaR)
Socioeconomics are highly relevant for sure, but even in middle and upper-middle-class areas you still get cops who look for every chance to flex their authori-tie. It's an age-old problem that people who crave positions of power are usually the last people you want in them.
Posted by: Dan in Philly at January 29, 2023 01:02 PM (KgwaR)
Socioeconomics are highly relevant for sure, but even in middle and upper-middle-class areas you still get cops who look for every chance to flex their authori-tie. It's an age-old problem that people who crave positions of power are usually the last people you want in them.
Posted by: Also, sometime people are just shitty at January 29, 2023 01:05 PM (UKe2c)
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131 George Soros (Sept 2014):
https://tinyurl.com/2zwdc4ck
Posted by: SMH at January 29, 2023 01:03 PM (O1K
This might be why he pays off fact checkers
https://tinyurl.com/2zwdc4ck
Posted by: SMH at January 29, 2023 01:03 PM (O1K
This might be why he pays off fact checkers
Posted by: CN at January 29, 2023 01:05 PM (Zzbjj)
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"128 What happened in Memphis was a shit show and can't be defended and must be prosecuted.
However one then has to figure why this is happening. First some form of bad police conduct has always existed"
Easy. Because it benefits those running the show. This is not an accident.
However one then has to figure why this is happening. First some form of bad police conduct has always existed"
Easy. Because it benefits those running the show. This is not an accident.
Posted by: somedood at January 29, 2023 01:05 PM (jAisO)
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I was reading about David Crosby's ancestors. The big one was one of the four founding partners of the Dutch West Indies Company. Seems the Rensselaers were some big money in the day. Owned a million square miles of upstate NY. Basically founded Troy, NY. BTW David's net worth was $10 million bucks.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 29, 2023 01:06 PM (yRved)
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Posted by: Pat Buchanan at January 29, 2023 01:02 PM (T6W8V)
If you want to look at an inflection point in American history imagine Buchanan becomes president in 1992.
No Chinese Hegemony. And therefore no COVID and fewer drugs.
Better relations with Russia and we would likely have left NATO - Europe would have had to start paying for their own defenses and deciding what to do in places like Kosovo on their own.
R v W might have been overturned in the 90s.
And on and on.
If you want to look at an inflection point in American history imagine Buchanan becomes president in 1992.
No Chinese Hegemony. And therefore no COVID and fewer drugs.
Better relations with Russia and we would likely have left NATO - Europe would have had to start paying for their own defenses and deciding what to do in places like Kosovo on their own.
R v W might have been overturned in the 90s.
And on and on.
Posted by: 18-1 at January 29, 2023 01:06 PM (lc5cP)
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Unless we are going to ship every last black person back to africa, we need to help society figure it out. Because it IS our problem.
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Come after me or mine, and see what happens.
I have never been to Africa, and never will.
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Come after me or mine, and see what happens.
I have never been to Africa, and never will.
Posted by: SMH at January 29, 2023 01:07 PM (O1Ksx)
139
You see cops in the news now, and they look like soldiers in combat, with all the webgear and helmets and automatic weapons they have. And when cops act like soldiers, it makes it easier for them to see the public as enemy soldiers.
A few years ago, I was in the tourist town of Mt. Shasta, California, whose crime problems are basically limited to transients occasionally breaking into the cars of tourists.
I saw two of the town cops, who looked roided out, and were dressed in paramilitary jumpsuits, with mirror sunglasses on.
I thought: "Really?"
Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 29, 2023 12:42 PM (2tUFv)
***
Same here about ten years ago. Five of the town officers come tramping into starbucks dripping with kit. I just looked at them and said I guess I'm back in Mogadishu. Not amused.
A few years ago, I was in the tourist town of Mt. Shasta, California, whose crime problems are basically limited to transients occasionally breaking into the cars of tourists.
I saw two of the town cops, who looked roided out, and were dressed in paramilitary jumpsuits, with mirror sunglasses on.
I thought: "Really?"
Posted by: The ARC of History! at January 29, 2023 12:42 PM (2tUFv)
***
Same here about ten years ago. Five of the town officers come tramping into starbucks dripping with kit. I just looked at them and said I guess I'm back in Mogadishu. Not amused.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 29, 2023 01:07 PM (anj39)
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OT
Yesterday I pointed out that when Obama said doctors will randomly chop off limbs to boost profits, he was being (if you read between the lines) anti-Semitic.
Someone responded that had never heard that before.
--- That is how you do a dog whistle.
Yesterday I pointed out that when Obama said doctors will randomly chop off limbs to boost profits, he was being (if you read between the lines) anti-Semitic.
Someone responded that had never heard that before.
--- That is how you do a dog whistle.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 29, 2023 01:08 PM (T6W8V)
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138 Unless we are going to ship every last black person back to africa, we need to help society figure it out. Because it IS our problem.
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There are cheaper options.
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There are cheaper options.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 29, 2023 01:09 PM (yRved)
142
Bye y'all.
Posted by: SMH at January 29, 2023 01:10 PM (O1Ksx)
143
Unless we are going to ship every last black person back to africa, we need to help society figure it out. Because it IS our problem.
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There are cheaper options.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 29, 2023 01:09 PM (yRved)
Canada?
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There are cheaper options.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 29, 2023 01:09 PM (yRved)
Canada?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 29, 2023 01:10 PM (yQpMk)
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If Buchanan was running things in the 90s he probably also would have nipped the jihadi problem in the bud before it became a global forever war. A few surgical strikes with the military resources we're not wasting playing global policeman.
Posted by: CppThis at January 29, 2023 01:10 PM (PZvjL)
145
Andrew Branca says it was not "murder", but I didn't hear his whole reasoning. I assume it was because that was not their intent (or at least that intent can't be proven).
There was a point where he was subdued, and they knew he had no weapon, and after that they did some horrific attacks. So negligent homicide maybe, idk.
There was a point where he was subdued, and they knew he had no weapon, and after that they did some horrific attacks. So negligent homicide maybe, idk.
Posted by: illiniwek at January 29, 2023 01:11 PM (Cus5s)
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143 Unless we are going to ship every last black person back to africa, we need to help society figure it out. Because it IS our problem.
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There are cheaper options.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 29, 2023 01:09 PM (yRved)
Canada?
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I was thinking South America. Say, Brazil. We just ousted the rightful President - the new guy owes us a favor.
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There are cheaper options.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 29, 2023 01:09 PM (yRved)
Canada?
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I was thinking South America. Say, Brazil. We just ousted the rightful President - the new guy owes us a favor.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 29, 2023 01:11 PM (yRved)
147
The intent of BLM, antifa, and the like is to get American citizens to turn on each other rather than the billionaires that are stealing our lives.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 29, 2023 01:11 PM (yQpMk)
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If the black community writ large would get off the "everything's racist" and the whole white supremacy bullshit I might give a fuck about their "plight."
Until then... incidents like the one in Memphis don't really move me one way or the other.
Blacks are being used by the left and seem to ok with it. Fine. It's a choice.
Until then... incidents like the one in Memphis don't really move me one way or the other.
Blacks are being used by the left and seem to ok with it. Fine. It's a choice.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 29, 2023 01:11 PM (Q4IgG)
149
Not a bug, working as desired. Tyrants need trained thugs to keep the serfs inline.
Posted by: Next2Nothing at January 29, 2023 01:12 PM (tA1/w)
150
Regardless of the cause, this is a symptom of a disintegrating nation.
Another symptom is our infrastructure. There is no maintenance or replacement of worn out bridges or pipelines. This is partly because the EPA and their NGO partners make it crazy hard to put in a new bridge or whatever; until the old one fails and then 'emergency, waive the stupid red tape' and for now the people that get things done can gitRdone and quickly once the red tape chokehold is cut away.
Another symptom is our infrastructure. There is no maintenance or replacement of worn out bridges or pipelines. This is partly because the EPA and their NGO partners make it crazy hard to put in a new bridge or whatever; until the old one fails and then 'emergency, waive the stupid red tape' and for now the people that get things done can gitRdone and quickly once the red tape chokehold is cut away.
Posted by: PaleRider at January 29, 2023 01:13 PM (3cGpq)
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Until then... incidents like the one in Memphis don't really move me one way or the other.
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Yep. My give a fuck meter is completely broken.
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Yep. My give a fuck meter is completely broken.
Posted by: Puddinhead at January 29, 2023 01:13 PM (yRved)
152
This shit almost always happens in blue shitholes.
And when that happens, I tend towards blaming everyone with even a modicum of policing and political power. There are no good guys in his story.
And when that happens, I tend towards blaming everyone with even a modicum of policing and political power. There are no good guys in his story.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 29, 2023 01:13 PM (BdMk6)
153
If the black community writ large would get off the "everything's racist" and the whole white supremacy bullshit I might give a fuck about their "plight."
Until then... incidents like the one in Memphis don't really move me one way or the other.
Blacks are being used by the left and seem to ok with it. Fine. It's a choice.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 29, 2023 01:11 PM (Q4IgG)
Bingo.
Until then... incidents like the one in Memphis don't really move me one way or the other.
Blacks are being used by the left and seem to ok with it. Fine. It's a choice.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 29, 2023 01:11 PM (Q4IgG)
Bingo.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 29, 2023 01:14 PM (h3tqt)
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Hot take: I don't fucking care.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 29, 2023 01:14 PM (XF9Gj)
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The first contact was fine, then the cops lost their tempers on the second contact and used excessive force. However, Nichols would be alive if he had not resisted arrest on that first contact.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at January 29, 2023 12:43 PM (pJWtt)
Or...Nichols would be alive if the cops weren't psychopaths whose behavior is sanctioned by two generations of police training.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at January 29, 2023 12:43 PM (pJWtt)
Or...Nichols would be alive if the cops weren't psychopaths whose behavior is sanctioned by two generations of police training.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 29, 2023 01:15 PM (XIJ/X)
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Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 29, 2023 12:49 PM (Y30y6)
I agree with all of that. Sometimes violence is the appropriate response. Random looting of third parties is not.
I agree with all of that. Sometimes violence is the appropriate response. Random looting of third parties is not.
Posted by: Methos at January 29, 2023 01:15 PM (kOpft)
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136 a million square miles is 10k miles x 10k miles
That's a lot of real estate in New York
That's a lot of real estate in New York
Posted by: MAxIE at January 29, 2023 01:15 PM (twxj3)
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These 5 were nothing more than street thugs in uniform.
That's more than possible. Big city police services are having a hard time pulling in good cops, because good cops reject the woke crap and being restrained from enforcing the law based on the criminal's identity.
And that means, to fill the roster, the city has to hire, well, less than ideal people.
That's more than possible. Big city police services are having a hard time pulling in good cops, because good cops reject the woke crap and being restrained from enforcing the law based on the criminal's identity.
And that means, to fill the roster, the city has to hire, well, less than ideal people.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 29, 2023 01:16 PM (0hOvj)
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I will not reflexively trust the Capitol police in DC. They had a riot to deal with (really just a few unruly Antifa dressed up as MAGA supporters)… but they didn’t have to gun down Ashli Babbitt and kill Rosalynd Boyle….. the Memphis police went way too far in this case and should be punished but Michael Byrd gets awards…. I smell politics
Posted by: LinusVanPelt at January 29, 2023 01:16 PM (uP4Kp)
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152 This shit almost always happens in blue shitholes.
And when that happens, I tend towards blaming everyone with even a modicum of policing and political power. There are no good guys in his story.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 29, 2023 01:13 PM (BdMk6)
Pithy version of my Midwest departure: I didn't leave because of the St. George riots, I left because I was not surprised by the St. George riots.
And when that happens, I tend towards blaming everyone with even a modicum of policing and political power. There are no good guys in his story.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 29, 2023 01:13 PM (BdMk6)
Pithy version of my Midwest departure: I didn't leave because of the St. George riots, I left because I was not surprised by the St. George riots.
Posted by: CppThis at January 29, 2023 01:16 PM (PZvjL)
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Bye y'all.
Posted by: SMH at January 29, 2023 01:10 PM (O1Ksx)
Your input is needed...and welcomed here.
Posted by: SMH at January 29, 2023 01:10 PM (O1Ksx)
Your input is needed...and welcomed here.
Posted by: BignJames at January 29, 2023 01:17 PM (AwYPR)
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13 It ain't ℝ𝕠𝕔𝕜𝕖𝕥 science!
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 29, 2023 12:13 PM (Vwz3I)
Wow, andycanuck. Here with the fonts!
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at January 29, 2023 12:13 PM (Vwz3I)
Wow, andycanuck. Here with the fonts!
Posted by: m at January 29, 2023 01:17 PM (4UYlo)
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138 Unless we are going to ship every last black person back to africa, we need to help society figure it out. Because it IS our problem.
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Come after me or mine, and see what happens.
I have never been to Africa, and never will.
Posted by: SMH at January 29, 2023 01:07 PM (O1Ksx)
How about we go back to religion? For a while, we lived in a smaller MI city. We all went to the same schools (except a Catholic group) and played on the same teams, used the same library and basically got along. It was a fairly religious sort of place, as were many in the 60s, and although there were many denominations, they all seemed pretty consistent. My dad grew up there, which made the return from the Detroit Metro area more agreeable to him. He went to school with everyone else and the population was very mixed and not stratified by race, ethnicity or income level. It worked until the factories closed and people abandoned the place. And religion seems to have fallen away.
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Come after me or mine, and see what happens.
I have never been to Africa, and never will.
Posted by: SMH at January 29, 2023 01:07 PM (O1Ksx)
How about we go back to religion? For a while, we lived in a smaller MI city. We all went to the same schools (except a Catholic group) and played on the same teams, used the same library and basically got along. It was a fairly religious sort of place, as were many in the 60s, and although there were many denominations, they all seemed pretty consistent. My dad grew up there, which made the return from the Detroit Metro area more agreeable to him. He went to school with everyone else and the population was very mixed and not stratified by race, ethnicity or income level. It worked until the factories closed and people abandoned the place. And religion seems to have fallen away.
Posted by: CN at January 29, 2023 01:17 PM (Zzbjj)
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Maybe none of these black cops would have even been on the force if standards weren't so low.
Perhaps there's a shortage of men who want to be cops, and if that's the case, can anyone think of a reason--or 50--why that shortage exists?
Perhaps there's a shortage of men who want to be cops, and if that's the case, can anyone think of a reason--or 50--why that shortage exists?
Posted by: JoeF. at January 29, 2023 01:17 PM (mR6Gs)
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I think a lot of what passes for racism is really classism, certainly from my experience when I went from my poor neighborhood to my rich neighborhood my interactions with the police changed 180°
Posted by: Dan in Philly at January 29, 2023 01:02 PM (KgwaR)
I think that is a good point, but just because the cope rein in their base instincts around wealthy people doesn't make it acceptable.
Posted by: Dan in Philly at January 29, 2023 01:02 PM (KgwaR)
I think that is a good point, but just because the cope rein in their base instincts around wealthy people doesn't make it acceptable.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 29, 2023 01:18 PM (XIJ/X)
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Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 29, 2023 01:13 PM (BdMk6)
Pithy version of my Midwest departure: I didn't leave because of the St. George riots, I left because I was not surprised by the St. George riots.
Posted by: CppThis at January 29, 2023 01:16 PM (PZvjL)
My last interaction with St. Louis cops was after I witnessed a crime, and the police showed up, I walked over to them and offered my perspective. They weren't interested. They were merely there to process the scene, and get the F out of there, back to whatever was more important.
Were they rude? Yes. Slightly menacing? You bet.
Fine, have your city. I'm out.
Pithy version of my Midwest departure: I didn't leave because of the St. George riots, I left because I was not surprised by the St. George riots.
Posted by: CppThis at January 29, 2023 01:16 PM (PZvjL)
My last interaction with St. Louis cops was after I witnessed a crime, and the police showed up, I walked over to them and offered my perspective. They weren't interested. They were merely there to process the scene, and get the F out of there, back to whatever was more important.
Were they rude? Yes. Slightly menacing? You bet.
Fine, have your city. I'm out.
Posted by: BurtTC at January 29, 2023 01:19 PM (M2qSa)
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It's pretty funny that a bunch of lilly-white privileged Antifa thugs riot to protest five black men. Who are the racists here?
Posted by: Angel at January 29, 2023 01:20 PM (anxDd)
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This shit almost always happens in blue shitholes.
And when that happens, I tend towards blaming everyone with even a modicum of policing and political power. There are no good guys in this story.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 29, 2023 01:13 PM (BdMk6)
I don't know the performance records of these cops. There is zero doubt that they fvkced-up bigly this time.
However, you make a great point about the politicians in Memphis. Black people of good enough quality to be police officers tend to avoid that profession. Then the politicians drop recruiting standards and end up with lower quality cops.
And when that happens, I tend towards blaming everyone with even a modicum of policing and political power. There are no good guys in this story.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 29, 2023 01:13 PM (BdMk6)
I don't know the performance records of these cops. There is zero doubt that they fvkced-up bigly this time.
However, you make a great point about the politicians in Memphis. Black people of good enough quality to be police officers tend to avoid that profession. Then the politicians drop recruiting standards and end up with lower quality cops.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop is now an engineer at January 29, 2023 01:20 PM (pJWtt)
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It all changes when they went from Peace Officer to Law Enforcement.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at January 29, 2023 01:21 PM (u73oe)
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That mostly Irish and Italian cops of my youth could break up crowds without causing a violent reaction-- or resorting to violence. they could ease tense situation using
their wits and a calm tone of voice. They let people off with warnings oftentimes, realizing that tickets (which were less costly then) could be a hardship on working people.
And none of them lifted weights--let alone used steroids.
their wits and a calm tone of voice. They let people off with warnings oftentimes, realizing that tickets (which were less costly then) could be a hardship on working people.
And none of them lifted weights--let alone used steroids.
Posted by: JoeF. at January 29, 2023 01:21 PM (mR6Gs)
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I think that is a good point, but just because the cope rein in their base instincts around wealthy people doesn't make it acceptable.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 29, 2023 01:18 PM (XIJ/X)
And a lot of neighborhoods and burbs are stratified by income.
I think that is a good point, but just because the cope rein in their base instincts around wealthy people doesn't make it acceptable.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 29, 2023 01:18 PM (XIJ/X)
And a lot of neighborhoods and burbs are stratified by income.
Posted by: CN at January 29, 2023 01:21 PM (Zzbjj)
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Like the Jews, Blacks are the canary in the coal mine and they have been gasping for breath for decades.
Crumbling black families and culture is not the problem, but the symptom of a degenerate political system in the US.
Even talking about shipping a sub population out of country is disgusting to me. This is why I thought Buchanan was an ass.
Crumbling black families and culture is not the problem, but the symptom of a degenerate political system in the US.
Even talking about shipping a sub population out of country is disgusting to me. This is why I thought Buchanan was an ass.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 29, 2023 01:22 PM (T6W8V)
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I know that's not your focus, but do we have any evidence of that, aside from the word of the guys that murdered him?
Posted by: Methos at January 29, 2023 12:52 PM (kOpft)
No. I have no idea. It may be true. It may be a lie so that they could tune up some poor bastard because one of them had a fight with his girlfriend.
Posted by: Methos at January 29, 2023 12:52 PM (kOpft)
No. I have no idea. It may be true. It may be a lie so that they could tune up some poor bastard because one of them had a fight with his girlfriend.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 29, 2023 01:23 PM (XIJ/X)
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Even talking about shipping a sub population out of country is disgusting to me. This is why I thought Buchanan was an ass.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 29, 2023 01:22 PM (T6W8V)
Yes x 100
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 29, 2023 01:22 PM (T6W8V)
Yes x 100
Posted by: CN at January 29, 2023 01:24 PM (Zzbjj)
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I think a lot of what passes for racism is really classism, certainly from my experience when I went from my poor neighborhood to my rich neighborhood my interactions with the police changed 180°
Posted by: Dan in Philly at January 29, 2023 01:02 PM (KgwaR)
In some places, cops make a LOT of money and live in the nicest neighborhoods, away from the people they "serve."
So the "classism" could even be personal.
Posted by: Dan in Philly at January 29, 2023 01:02 PM (KgwaR)
In some places, cops make a LOT of money and live in the nicest neighborhoods, away from the people they "serve."
So the "classism" could even be personal.
Posted by: JoeF. at January 29, 2023 01:24 PM (mR6Gs)
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Border Patrol Asks Americans to Stop Trying to Smuggle in Raw Eggs From Mexico
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Sex offenders, terrorist, drug smugglers, come on in!
Eggs, they shall not pass!
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Sex offenders, terrorist, drug smugglers, come on in!
Eggs, they shall not pass!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 29, 2023 01:24 PM (FVME7)
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Nice write up CBD.. we had this very conversation around the card table last night and I wish I could have been so articulate as you were here...
Oh, and I'm stealing it for later use.
Oh, and I'm stealing it for later use.
Posted by: NALNAMSAM- not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at January 29, 2023 01:24 PM (+ldAm)
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I think a commenter way upthread made the best explanation. We're witnessing the destruction of western civilization. The burning times have been lit.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 29, 2023 01:24 PM (BdMk6)
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*Just stopping to get gas in bfe UT*
Societal decay. I don't see it getting better. I pray a lot.
Societal decay. I don't see it getting better. I pray a lot.
Posted by: Infidel at January 29, 2023 01:25 PM (YJQJ8)
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I blame the proliferation of fists in this country. Couldn't the cops have aimed for his arms or legs instead of his head? I demand fist control and common sense fist laws.
Posted by: Angel at January 29, 2023 01:25 PM (anxDd)
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Even talking about shipping a sub population out of country is disgusting to me. This is why I thought Buchanan was an ass.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 29, 2023 01:22 PM (T6W8V)
Yes x 100
Posted by: CN at January 29, 2023 01:24 PM (Zzbjj)
X1000
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 29, 2023 01:22 PM (T6W8V)
Yes x 100
Posted by: CN at January 29, 2023 01:24 PM (Zzbjj)
X1000
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 29, 2023 01:25 PM (yQpMk)
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I get Antifa are the Marxists street thugs but also suspect many are anarchists and want to wreck anything they can
Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2023 01:25 PM (xhxe8)
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There's a holdup in the Bronx,
Brooklyn's broken out in fights.
There's a traffic jam in Harlem
That's backed up to Jackson Heights.
Brooklyn's broken out in fights.
There's a traffic jam in Harlem
That's backed up to Jackson Heights.
Posted by: A little levity at January 29, 2023 01:26 PM (DhOHl)
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Oh, and I'm stealing it for later use.
Posted by: NALNAMSAM- not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at January 29, 2023 01:24 PM (+ldAm)
Heh. This is one of the topics that I think about more and more. You are welcome to it!
Posted by: NALNAMSAM- not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at January 29, 2023 01:24 PM (+ldAm)
Heh. This is one of the topics that I think about more and more. You are welcome to it!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 29, 2023 01:26 PM (XIJ/X)
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I live in a heavily Republican town that makes a big show of supporting its police.
Which reduces us to battered wives because, even here, our police is more focused on harassing law abiding citizens than on dealing with dangerous street crime wrought by gangs and trafficking.
And if you criticize them for it, they go public whining about how their feelings are hurt, and the citizens fall into line.
Which reduces us to battered wives because, even here, our police is more focused on harassing law abiding citizens than on dealing with dangerous street crime wrought by gangs and trafficking.
And if you criticize them for it, they go public whining about how their feelings are hurt, and the citizens fall into line.
Posted by: Jack Squat Bupkis at January 29, 2023 01:26 PM (dQfJF)
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He went to school with everyone else and the population was very mixed and not stratified by race, ethnicity or income level. It worked until the factories closed and people abandoned the place. And religion seems to have fallen away.
There is no greek or jew, neither male nor female in Christ, etc. Christians (should) view everyone as a fellow sinner, either saved by the grace of God or not (yet?). The external trappings are irrelevant: red hair, brown eyes, hispanic, tall, left handed, second toe shorter than big toe, black, doesn't matter.
To put it another way: in God's eyes, we are all equally worthless, and we should compare ourselves to His holiness, not the next guy's sins.
There is no greek or jew, neither male nor female in Christ, etc. Christians (should) view everyone as a fellow sinner, either saved by the grace of God or not (yet?). The external trappings are irrelevant: red hair, brown eyes, hispanic, tall, left handed, second toe shorter than big toe, black, doesn't matter.
To put it another way: in God's eyes, we are all equally worthless, and we should compare ourselves to His holiness, not the next guy's sins.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 29, 2023 01:26 PM (0hOvj)
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I get Antifa are the Marxists street thugs but also suspect many are anarchists and want to wreck anything they can
Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2023 01:25 PM (xhxe
Rubies the size of tangerines.
Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2023 01:25 PM (xhxe
Rubies the size of tangerines.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at January 29, 2023 01:26 PM (yQpMk)
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I think the biggest thing contributing to societal failure is lack of steady work. Manufacturing being outsourced is huge. And no, retail jobs and Starbucks are not the same thing.
Posted by: CN at January 29, 2023 01:26 PM (Zzbjj)
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I think a commenter way upthread made the best explanation. We're witnessing the destruction of western civilization. The burning times have been lit.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 29, 2023 01:24 PM (BdMk6
*looks at colander face mask*
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 29, 2023 01:24 PM (BdMk6
*looks at colander face mask*
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 29, 2023 01:26 PM (h3tqt)
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Maybe none of these black cops would have even been on the force if standards weren't so low.
Posted by: dartist at January 29, 2023 01:26 PM (U2hGT)
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Bingo!
Posted by: dartist at January 29, 2023 01:27 PM (U2hGT)
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There's a holdup in the Bronx,
Brooklyn's broken out in fights.
There's a traffic jam in Harlem
That's backed up to Jackson Heights.
Posted by: A little levity at January 29, 2023 01:26 PM (DhOHl)
Ooooh! Ooooh!
Brooklyn's broken out in fights.
There's a traffic jam in Harlem
That's backed up to Jackson Heights.
Posted by: A little levity at January 29, 2023 01:26 PM (DhOHl)
Ooooh! Ooooh!
Posted by: BignJames at January 29, 2023 01:28 PM (AwYPR)
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I know y’all are joking, but talking about shipping a large swath of people out feels very ugly to me. There are a lot of root problems here that are worthy of discussion, and topics that have been made taboo that shouldn’t be. But is a thing and when it happens, it doesn’t end well.
I am not black, but I am multiracial, I am not sure that matters, really. We should have difficult conversations about culture and we should call out the consequences of both the soft and hard bigotry of low expectations. We shouldn’t dehumanize. My opinion, for what it is worth.
I am not black, but I am multiracial, I am not sure that matters, really. We should have difficult conversations about culture and we should call out the consequences of both the soft and hard bigotry of low expectations. We shouldn’t dehumanize. My opinion, for what it is worth.
Posted by: Piper at January 29, 2023 01:28 PM (ZdaMQ)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 29, 2023 01:29 PM (FVME7)
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Even talking about shipping a sub population out of country is disgusting to me. This is why I thought Buchanan was an ass.
If you are referring to illegal immigrants, I'm okay with it.
If you are referring to illegal immigrants, I'm okay with it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 29, 2023 01:29 PM (0hOvj)
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I hope no one miss reads Nurse's comment. This is our problem and it isn't just a race issue. We obviously aren't sending anyone back to Africa. But we need a hard look at our culture. Racism has dominated a deteriorating culture but there is more than that. Religion, faith, respect, education, trust. These are things that if we don't fix, will Balkanize the country.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 29, 2023 01:29 PM (anj39)
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For a fucking traffic stop.
Trying to excuse the cops because the victim "would not cooperate" is bullshit. This is the thinking of a slave, and also of a bully. No one has a moral or legal duty to cooperate in their own ass-kicking.
Kicked his ass for a traffic stop. They are jack boot thugs who deserve worse than they will get. Throw away the key.
Trying to excuse the cops because the victim "would not cooperate" is bullshit. This is the thinking of a slave, and also of a bully. No one has a moral or legal duty to cooperate in their own ass-kicking.
Kicked his ass for a traffic stop. They are jack boot thugs who deserve worse than they will get. Throw away the key.
Posted by: Ex-GOP at January 29, 2023 01:30 PM (Tc2CN)
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I saw this video on Friday Night, goes right to heart of the post and absolutely made my blood boil. Link is to Andrew Branca Law of Self Defense, start at around 17:00 minutes to skip all the fluff. In addition to shooting the guy who was 100% complying with the police orders they then charged him with several made up crimes to cover up their mistake. What they didn't realize is that the homeowner had a security camera on with sound at the time.
https://tinyurl.com/4b8nfvws
https://tinyurl.com/4b8nfvws
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at January 29, 2023 01:30 PM (rwzSZ)
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To put it another way: in God's eyes, we are all equally worthless, and we should compare ourselves to His holiness, not the next guy's sins.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 29, 2023 01:26 PM (0hOvj)
Well in many places religion is minimized and believers are told they worship "the skygod" with a sneer and a snicker. But when we all worshipped the "skygod" on Saturday or Sunday, we had a better sense of morality.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 29, 2023 01:26 PM (0hOvj)
Well in many places religion is minimized and believers are told they worship "the skygod" with a sneer and a snicker. But when we all worshipped the "skygod" on Saturday or Sunday, we had a better sense of morality.
Posted by: CN at January 29, 2023 01:30 PM (Zzbjj)
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Racism has dominated a deteriorating culture but there is more than that. Religion, faith, respect, education, trust. These are things that if we don't fix, will Balkanize the country.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 29, 2023 01:29 PM (anj39)
We're running out of time fast. And we may have already passed the inflection point.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 29, 2023 01:29 PM (anj39)
We're running out of time fast. And we may have already passed the inflection point.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 29, 2023 01:31 PM (h3tqt)
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until the push-back against it is non-violent,
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Unfortunately the only thing the government understands is violence…
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Unfortunately the only thing the government understands is violence…
Posted by: MAGA_Ken at January 29, 2023 01:31 PM (t+CmI)
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Racism has dominated a deteriorating culture but there is more than that. Religion, faith, respect, education, trust. These are things that if we don't fix, will Balkanize the country.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 29, 2023 01:29 PM (anj39)
Racism has replaced the culture, it's become a culture.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 29, 2023 01:29 PM (anj39)
Racism has replaced the culture, it's become a culture.
Posted by: CN at January 29, 2023 01:33 PM (Zzbjj)
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I know y’all are joking, but talking about shipping a large swath of people out feels very ugly to me.
Posted by: Piper at January 29, 2023 01:28 PM (ZdaMQ)
agreed
Posted by: Piper at January 29, 2023 01:28 PM (ZdaMQ)
agreed
Posted by: BignJames at January 29, 2023 01:34 PM (AwYPR)
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But when we all worshipped the "skygod" on Saturday or Sunday, we had a better sense of morality.
yeah, even if I were not a Christian, I would consider it a superior system for building up and giving structure to a civilization than most religions and certainly what we have now.
yeah, even if I were not a Christian, I would consider it a superior system for building up and giving structure to a civilization than most religions and certainly what we have now.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 29, 2023 01:34 PM (0hOvj)
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We're running out of time fast. And we may have already passed the inflection point.
Not much doubt in my mind that we have.
Not much doubt in my mind that we have.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at January 29, 2023 01:34 PM (Xrfse)
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An hour and a half until the first game kicks off.
How will the National Felons League genuflect today?
How will the National Felons League genuflect today?
Posted by: Just Wondering at January 29, 2023 01:35 PM (DhOHl)
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The Memphis Police Department has permanently disbanded its special “Scorpion” unit a day after the city publicly released video footage of the arrest of Tyre Nichols.
. . . .
The Scorpion unit, launched in November 2021, comprised three teams of about 30 officers. Scorpion stands for Street Crimes Operations to Restore Peace in our Neighborhoods.
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The Scorpion unit, launched in November 2021, comprised three teams of about 30 officers. Scorpion stands for Street Crimes Operations to Restore Peace in our Neighborhoods.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 29, 2023 01:35 PM (FVME7)
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Good vs evil. Not racial.
Posted by: Eromero at January 29, 2023 01:35 PM (0OP+5)
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He went to school with everyone else and the population was very mixed and not stratified by race, ethnicity or income level. It worked until the factories closed and people abandoned the place. And religion seems to have fallen away.
When I started school, the Catholic school I attended educated the sons and daughters of lawyers and doctors, bank presidents, salesmen, cops & firemen, and common laborers all, and when there was a birthday party or whatever, ALL were invited.
This changed in the early 70's in my neighborhood---maybe in other places it lasted a bit longer, i don't know, but the contours of the class and income-based divisions have been visible for half a century.
When I started school, the Catholic school I attended educated the sons and daughters of lawyers and doctors, bank presidents, salesmen, cops & firemen, and common laborers all, and when there was a birthday party or whatever, ALL were invited.
This changed in the early 70's in my neighborhood---maybe in other places it lasted a bit longer, i don't know, but the contours of the class and income-based divisions have been visible for half a century.
Posted by: JoeF. at January 29, 2023 01:35 PM (mR6Gs)
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I know y’all are joking, but talking about shipping a large swath of people out feels very ugly to me. There are a lot of root problems here that are worthy of discussion, and topics that have been made taboo that shouldn’t be. But is a thing and when it happens, it doesn’t end well.
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I'm pretty sure nurse meant it as an unrealistic option. She spent more words on the "this is our problem' portion of the comment.
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I'm pretty sure nurse meant it as an unrealistic option. She spent more words on the "this is our problem' portion of the comment.
Posted by: Methos at January 29, 2023 01:36 PM (kOpft)
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Vermont Has More Border Apprehensions in First 3 Months of FY 2023 Than Past Two Years Combined
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In other news BREAKTHROUGH IN TIME MACHINE TECHNOLOGY!
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In other news BREAKTHROUGH IN TIME MACHINE TECHNOLOGY!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 29, 2023 01:37 PM (FVME7)
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To put it another way: in God's eyes, we are all equally worthless,
Just like Gunnery Sergeant Hartman
Just like Gunnery Sergeant Hartman
Posted by: You are unorganized grabasstic pieces of amphibian shit! at January 29, 2023 01:37 PM (UKe2c)
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Finding the perfect Black murder by police is very far between. Does sound like this case could be the golden fleece in police brutally.
Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2023 01:37 PM (xhxe8)
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The Memphis Police Department has permanently disbanded its special “Scorpion” unit a day after the city publicly released video footage of the arrest of Tyre Nichols.
Okay, the thugs will recognize this as "good for business."
Every time a black kid is killed by the po-lice, justified or not, the criminals become a little more free to criminalize.....
Okay, the thugs will recognize this as "good for business."
Every time a black kid is killed by the po-lice, justified or not, the criminals become a little more free to criminalize.....
Posted by: JoeF. at January 29, 2023 01:37 PM (mR6Gs)
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196 I didn’t misread nurse’s comment. I understood her point about it being all of our issue, and she is right. It was the follow on jokes, which I don’t think are being made by people in white robes at all. I think people say things trying to be humorous and it misses the mark. I am guilty as anyone.
I also dropped a word in my post, which was othering, making the whole comment a bit nonsensical. I also should have clarified citizens in re shipping people out.
I also dropped a word in my post, which was othering, making the whole comment a bit nonsensical. I also should have clarified citizens in re shipping people out.
Posted by: Piper at January 29, 2023 01:37 PM (ZdaMQ)
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Nobody can tell me that the huge racism focus is spontaneous. SMH's Soros quote melds very well with the LBJ quote I recall. The rending of the social fabric is deliberate.
Let's look at the crap thrown on Tony Dungy, who grew up in the previously mentioned smaller Michigan city, and was the son of two educators. What made them different from the people of today. Religion, cohesive family, and parents who were willing to enforce a standard of conduct. Many of us grew up with parents like these, even if they were not all professional.
Let's look at the crap thrown on Tony Dungy, who grew up in the previously mentioned smaller Michigan city, and was the son of two educators. What made them different from the people of today. Religion, cohesive family, and parents who were willing to enforce a standard of conduct. Many of us grew up with parents like these, even if they were not all professional.
Posted by: CN at January 29, 2023 01:38 PM (Zzbjj)
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The Scorpion unit, launched in November 2021, comprised three teams of about 30 officers. Scorpion stands for Street Crimes Operations to Restore Peace in our Neighborhoods.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 29, 2023 01:35 PM (FVME7)
Probably just go underground. Blue shitholes love their enforcement arms.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 29, 2023 01:35 PM (FVME7)
Probably just go underground. Blue shitholes love their enforcement arms.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 29, 2023 01:38 PM (h3tqt)
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I agree that policing can always improve but the current anti police attitude is the opposite of Presentism. History is being ignored altogether. I submit that policing was much worse every preceding decade.
Internal affairs and accountability is greater than it has ever been. The advent of phone cameras and the internet falsely make the problems seem ubiquitous. I won't go into the many actual historic examples where policing was much worse but I'll point out a past cultural example from the movies where no one blinked an eye.
Suspect running away. Cop shouts 'stop or I'll shoot BAM BAM BAM '
Internal affairs and accountability is greater than it has ever been. The advent of phone cameras and the internet falsely make the problems seem ubiquitous. I won't go into the many actual historic examples where policing was much worse but I'll point out a past cultural example from the movies where no one blinked an eye.
Suspect running away. Cop shouts 'stop or I'll shoot BAM BAM BAM '
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 29, 2023 01:38 PM (Iu1CX)
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How about the influx of former military members into law enforcement? We get a lot of young guys from the nearby base on our force. They typically do a couple years in the small town, then take a job elsewhere. We have little in the way of violent crime. It's mostly break-ins and meth.
But in the larger city nearby the cops are pretty aggressive. A fair number of them are former military as well.
So maybe the environment has something to do with how the police act and enforce? Memphis is a gutter. Always was. Race relations there haven't been normal in 60 or 70 years.
But in the larger city nearby the cops are pretty aggressive. A fair number of them are former military as well.
So maybe the environment has something to do with how the police act and enforce? Memphis is a gutter. Always was. Race relations there haven't been normal in 60 or 70 years.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at January 29, 2023 01:38 PM (Q4IgG)
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I know y’all are joking, but talking about shipping a large swath of people out feels very ugly to me.
Posted by: Piper at January 29, 2023 01:28 PM (ZdaMQ)
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American citizens? Clearly no.
A bunch of illegals? I have no problem with that.
Posted by: Piper at January 29, 2023 01:28 PM (ZdaMQ)
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American citizens? Clearly no.
A bunch of illegals? I have no problem with that.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 29, 2023 01:39 PM (anj39)
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Vermont Has More Border Apprehensions in First 3 Months of FY 2023 Than Past Two Years Combined
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 29, 2023 01:37 PM (FVME7)
NHers or NYers....both?
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 29, 2023 01:37 PM (FVME7)
NHers or NYers....both?
Posted by: BignJames at January 29, 2023 01:39 PM (AwYPR)
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It's not a race problem, but if Nichols had been white there would be no problem at all. Who would complain?
Posted by: Angel at January 29, 2023 01:40 PM (anxDd)
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“Guardians of the Galaxy” Star Dave Bautista Says He Covered Up His Manny Pacquiao Tattoo Because the Boxer Disapproves of Same-sex Marriage
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Burn the witch!
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Burn the witch!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 29, 2023 01:40 PM (FVME7)
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If you are referring to illegal immigrants, I'm okay with it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
They are an invasion of foreigners. (Their anchor kids too.)
But this problem is easily solved by cutting all benefits to non-citizens or their kids.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
They are an invasion of foreigners. (Their anchor kids too.)
But this problem is easily solved by cutting all benefits to non-citizens or their kids.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 29, 2023 01:40 PM (T6W8V)
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I agree that policing can always improve but the current anti police attitude is the opposite of Presentism. History is being ignored altogether. I submit that policing was much worse every preceding decade.
I agree, and there's also the Cultural Shift. All the stuff that used to be done to black people is now being targeted on white people. Its not that this is unprecedented or unheard of, its that we're just not used to having this put on us.
I agree, and there's also the Cultural Shift. All the stuff that used to be done to black people is now being targeted on white people. Its not that this is unprecedented or unheard of, its that we're just not used to having this put on us.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 29, 2023 01:40 PM (0hOvj)
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Link is to Andrew Branca Law of Self Defense, start at around 17:00 minutes to skip all the fluff. In addition to shooting the guy who was 100% complying with the police orders they then charged him with several made up crimes to cover up their mistake. What they didn't realize is that the homeowner had a security camera on with sound at the time.
https://tinyurl.com/4b8nfvws
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at January 29, 2023 01:30 PM (rwzSZ)
That was an attempted execution, straight up. I don't think even Branca could finagle that into being a good shoot for the cops.
https://tinyurl.com/4b8nfvws
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at January 29, 2023 01:30 PM (rwzSZ)
That was an attempted execution, straight up. I don't think even Branca could finagle that into being a good shoot for the cops.
Posted by: Come out with your hands up, and we'll shoot! at January 29, 2023 01:42 PM (UKe2c)
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The message I'm getting from the Memphis PD is that hotter heads will prevail.
"Bring me everyone."
"What do you mean "everyone"?"
"EVERYONE!"
"Bring me everyone."
"What do you mean "everyone"?"
"EVERYONE!"
Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 29, 2023 01:42 PM (Jg7EG)
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The new managing editor of Babylon Bee, Joel Berry, is anti-White and wants Whites (European-descended peoples) blended out of existence.
Please email management and complain about Joel Berry:
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Racism is wrong, doesn't matter where it comes from.
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Racism is wrong, doesn't matter where it comes from.
Posted by: SMH at January 29, 2023 01:43 PM (O1Ksx)
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Don't be too hard on Bautista. It's his job to pretend to love LGBT. Probably in his contract
Don't be too hard on Bautista. It's his job to pretend to love LGBT. Probably in his contract
Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 29, 2023 01:44 PM (roH4R)
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220 agree. See my clarification in 215 to that point.
Posted by: Piper at January 29, 2023 01:44 PM (ZdaMQ)
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Memphis police chief tasked with investigating Tyre Nichols murder was FIRED and then reinstated from previous job with Atlanta PD over child porn scandal - as protests erupt across US
Posted by: DB at January 29, 2023 01:44 PM (geLO8)
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118 OT and unrelated to anything...
Tom Verlaine died yesterday. Guitarist for the group, Television. I'm listening to Marquee Moon right now, one of the greatest songs of all time. I had the privilege of seeing them live, in the 90s. Magnificent show, incredible guitar player, the solo in the middle of that song is sublime and should only go on longer and longer, maybe forever.
In the next life, Tom...
I had not heard that and its a pity. Yeah, he was a great guitarist. Saw him with Television in 77 (I think? maybe 7 at CBGB on the Bowery, and then after moving to Philly area, saw him again with his own band at a venue on South Street (forget the name) in the 80s.
Tom Verlaine died yesterday. Guitarist for the group, Television. I'm listening to Marquee Moon right now, one of the greatest songs of all time. I had the privilege of seeing them live, in the 90s. Magnificent show, incredible guitar player, the solo in the middle of that song is sublime and should only go on longer and longer, maybe forever.
In the next life, Tom...
I had not heard that and its a pity. Yeah, he was a great guitarist. Saw him with Television in 77 (I think? maybe 7
at CBGB on the Bowery, and then after moving to Philly area, saw him again with his own band at a venue on South Street (forget the name) in the 80s.Posted by: Ex-GOP at January 29, 2023 01:45 PM (Tc2CN)
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“Guardians of the Galaxy” Star Dave Bautista Says He Covered Up His Manny Pacquiao Tattoo Because the Boxer Disapproves of Same-sex Marriage
The last think I give a damn about is anything he says.
Bautiata has a movie out. He needs to dance to Hollywood's tune in order to keep getting a paycheck.
The last think I give a damn about is anything he says.
Bautiata has a movie out. He needs to dance to Hollywood's tune in order to keep getting a paycheck.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 29, 2023 01:45 PM (anj39)
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Rangers Decide Not to Wear LGBTQ-Themed Warmup Jerseys on Pride Night
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Pushback. It's a good thing.
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Pushback. It's a good thing.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 29, 2023 01:46 PM (FVME7)
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will Balkanize the country.
Posted by: Diogenes
How is this country not already balkanized?
Every city and state have areas that are predominantly this or that.
Have the United States every truly been homogenized?
It boils down to not even the north and the south like each much, how do we expect anyone else to get along with all the misconceptions, bigotry, self-admiration / pride and social, financial and educational differences that divide us?
Posted by: Diogenes
How is this country not already balkanized?
Every city and state have areas that are predominantly this or that.
Have the United States every truly been homogenized?
It boils down to not even the north and the south like each much, how do we expect anyone else to get along with all the misconceptions, bigotry, self-admiration / pride and social, financial and educational differences that divide us?
Posted by: old chick at January 29, 2023 01:46 PM (sOete)
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95 If you punch me in the face and in frustration I go home to kick the dog, I'm not protesting. I'm being a dickhead.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 29, 2023 12:49 PM (Y30y6)
Nice.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger at January 29, 2023 12:49 PM (Y30y6)
Nice.
Posted by: m at January 29, 2023 01:47 PM (4UYlo)
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Rangers Decide Not to Wear LGBTQ-Themed Warmup Jerseys on Pride Night
Pushback. It's a good thing.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 29, 2023 01:46 PM (FVME7)
Be careful...the sodomite mafia fucked me up for not wearing the "ribbon".
Pushback. It's a good thing.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 29, 2023 01:46 PM (FVME7)
Be careful...the sodomite mafia fucked me up for not wearing the "ribbon".
Posted by: Kramer at January 29, 2023 01:47 PM (R/m4+)
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So Babylon Bee won't be up to its old funny standards?
Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2023 01:47 PM (xhxe8)
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I apologize.
I kind of started the joking with the Pat Buchanan sock.
I was just making a point about his past comments and not at all endorsing. Some of my best frie...
[what? "put the shovel down"? What shovel?.... oh.]
I kind of started the joking with the Pat Buchanan sock.
I was just making a point about his past comments and not at all endorsing. Some of my best frie...
[what? "put the shovel down"? What shovel?.... oh.]
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 29, 2023 01:48 PM (T6W8V)
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The new managing editor of Babylon Bee, Joel Berry, is anti-White and wants Whites (European-descended peoples) blended out of existence.
Please email management and complain about Joel Berry:
Emails: seth@babylonbee.com, kyle@babylonbee.com, joel@babylonbee.com, support@babylonbee.com, orders@babylonbee.com
Thank you.
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Racism is wrong, doesn't matter where it comes from.
Posted by: SMH at January 29, 2023 01:43 PM (O1Ksx)
It was bound to happen. Leftists can't stand to be laughed at.
Please email management and complain about Joel Berry:
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Racism is wrong, doesn't matter where it comes from.
Posted by: SMH at January 29, 2023 01:43 PM (O1Ksx)
It was bound to happen. Leftists can't stand to be laughed at.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 29, 2023 01:48 PM (BdMk6)
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The last think I give a damn about is anything he says.
Bautiata has a movie out. He needs to dance to Hollywood's tune in order to keep getting a paycheck.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 29, 2023 01:45 PM (anj3
Unfortunately it's his tune Hollywood or not. He's a Rob Reiner type political genius.
Bautiata has a movie out. He needs to dance to Hollywood's tune in order to keep getting a paycheck.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 29, 2023 01:45 PM (anj3
Unfortunately it's his tune Hollywood or not. He's a Rob Reiner type political genius.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 29, 2023 01:48 PM (Iu1CX)
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235 How is this country not already balkanized?
Every city and state have areas that are predominantly this or that.
Posted by: old chick at January 29, 2023 01:46 PM (sOete)
I miss the Cooper Center maps, that clearly showed how racially hyper-segregated the 'tolerant' northern donkey barns really are. But they shut the project down in 2020, because of course they did.
Every city and state have areas that are predominantly this or that.
Posted by: old chick at January 29, 2023 01:46 PM (sOete)
I miss the Cooper Center maps, that clearly showed how racially hyper-segregated the 'tolerant' northern donkey barns really are. But they shut the project down in 2020, because of course they did.
Posted by: CppThis at January 29, 2023 01:48 PM (PZvjL)
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Posted by: JoeF. at January 29, 2023 01:35 PM (mR6Gs)
One of the things I noticed at that time was a dislike of manufacturing workers, and the desire to get rid of the "shop rats". Again, I wonder if that was ordained by a group that was eager to slime these people.
One of the things I noticed at that time was a dislike of manufacturing workers, and the desire to get rid of the "shop rats". Again, I wonder if that was ordained by a group that was eager to slime these people.
Posted by: CN at January 29, 2023 01:49 PM (Zzbjj)
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The new managing editor of Babylon Bee, Joel Berry, is anti-White and wants Whites (European-descended peoples) blended out of existence.
Please email management and complain about Joel Berry:
Emails: seth@babylonbee.com, kyle@babylonbee.com, joel@babylonbee.com, support@babylonbee.com, orders@babylonbee.com
Thank you.
https://tinyurl.com/ymbx7anp
Racism is wrong, doesn't matter where it comes from.
it seems a cynical reply to something over the top, and without the context, I, and other I trust, will not have a knee jerk reaction to some cut and paste twitter post.
Please email management and complain about Joel Berry:
Emails: seth@babylonbee.com, kyle@babylonbee.com, joel@babylonbee.com, support@babylonbee.com, orders@babylonbee.com
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https://tinyurl.com/ymbx7anp
Racism is wrong, doesn't matter where it comes from.
it seems a cynical reply to something over the top, and without the context, I, and other I trust, will not have a knee jerk reaction to some cut and paste twitter post.
Posted by: runner at January 29, 2023 01:50 PM (V13WU)
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"To put it another way: in God's eyes, we are all equally worthless, and we should compare ourselves to His holiness, not the next guy's sins."
when it comes to being able to redeem ourselves this is true. But there are times when Christians are called to fellowship together, and times to call out those that do wrong ("after a first and second admonition, reject").
There are still "good and bad" people. The cartels trying to overthrow "the west" are largely evil men. There are others that fight the good fight against them.
And in that vein, I still believe in "America" as a superior concept, whereas the evil ones condemn for our desire for liberty. Discernment is an admirable trait for those that "judge a righteous judgement. (but sure, we all have imperfection in our blood).
when it comes to being able to redeem ourselves this is true. But there are times when Christians are called to fellowship together, and times to call out those that do wrong ("after a first and second admonition, reject").
There are still "good and bad" people. The cartels trying to overthrow "the west" are largely evil men. There are others that fight the good fight against them.
And in that vein, I still believe in "America" as a superior concept, whereas the evil ones condemn for our desire for liberty. Discernment is an admirable trait for those that "judge a righteous judgement. (but sure, we all have imperfection in our blood).
Posted by: illiniwek at January 29, 2023 01:50 PM (Cus5s)
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101 How about you ... put your weight on the guy
Posted by: PabloD at January 29, 2023 12:54 PM (zP5wv)
Uh, no, post-George Floyd.
Posted by: PabloD at January 29, 2023 12:54 PM (zP5wv)
Uh, no, post-George Floyd.
Posted by: m at January 29, 2023 01:50 PM (4UYlo)
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I agree, and there's also the Cultural Shift. All the stuff that used to be done to black people is now being targeted on white people. Its not that this is unprecedented or unheard of, its that we're just not used to having this put on us.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
What you talkin' about Willis?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
What you talkin' about Willis?
Posted by: The Irish, The Italian, Proud Trailer Residents, Appalachia... at January 29, 2023 01:51 PM (T6W8V)
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"Let there be peace on earth, and let it begin with me..."
I can't solve the big problems, but here's what I do to live peace:
1. I make eye contact and smile
2. I say, "Excuse me" if I need to move past someone
3. I say, "Would you please?" or some other variant.
4. I hold the door for the person behind me. If someone holds the door for me, I say, "Thank you."
5. If I make a mistake, bump into someone, etc., I say, "I'm sorry."
6. I try my best to forgive others even when they're not sorry.
Here in Florida, by state law, we say the Pledge every day followed by a moment of silence. I pray, "Please Lord, help me to see You in my students, and help them to see You in me."
I can't solve the big problems, but here's what I do to live peace:
1. I make eye contact and smile
2. I say, "Excuse me" if I need to move past someone
3. I say, "Would you please?" or some other variant.
4. I hold the door for the person behind me. If someone holds the door for me, I say, "Thank you."
5. If I make a mistake, bump into someone, etc., I say, "I'm sorry."
6. I try my best to forgive others even when they're not sorry.
Here in Florida, by state law, we say the Pledge every day followed by a moment of silence. I pray, "Please Lord, help me to see You in my students, and help them to see You in me."
Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at January 29, 2023 01:51 PM (goJt/)
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Door #3. Rudie's way. NYC is still our safest American city.
Not sure it is anymore. The people who made it that way have been driven out.
Not sure it is anymore. The people who made it that way have been driven out.
Posted by: Socratease at January 29, 2023 01:52 PM (oqnjT)
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Destroying the function of law enforcement is part of the strategy to destroy our high-trust, peaceful society. That is the goal of those who want unrestrained power over the rest of us.
But I'm just stating something we already know.
But I'm just stating something we already know.
Posted by: Emmie at January 29, 2023 01:52 PM (FSWpb)
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it seems a cynical reply to something over the top, and without the context, I, and other I trust, will not have a knee jerk reaction to some cut and paste twitter post.
Posted by: runner
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That may be, but that's how racism is being spread...cynically, with just a bit of humor.
Gotta make it palatable to the masses.
It's now okay to make jokes about white people, which I find just as detestable as those about blacks.
Posted by: runner
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That may be, but that's how racism is being spread...cynically, with just a bit of humor.
Gotta make it palatable to the masses.
It's now okay to make jokes about white people, which I find just as detestable as those about blacks.
Posted by: SMH at January 29, 2023 01:52 PM (O1Ksx)
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Racism has replaced the culture, it's become a culture.
Am I crazy for thinking that it's gotten worse in the last, oh, 15 years or so? I wonder what could have happened around that time.
Am I crazy for thinking that it's gotten worse in the last, oh, 15 years or so? I wonder what could have happened around that time.
Posted by: Oddbob at January 29, 2023 01:52 PM (nfrXX)
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it seems a cynical reply to something over the top, and without the context, I, and other I trust, will not have a knee jerk reaction to some cut and paste twitter post.
Posted by: runner at January 29, 2023 01:50 PM (V13W
I bet you won't look for the context and come back either to inform us or to apologize,
Posted by: runner at January 29, 2023 01:50 PM (V13W
I bet you won't look for the context and come back either to inform us or to apologize,
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 29, 2023 01:53 PM (Iu1CX)
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Painting miniatures now but thinking of watching 1st NFL game in a few years, will see
Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2023 01:53 PM (xhxe8)
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248. Big heart emoji here.
Posted by: Piper at January 29, 2023 01:53 PM (ZdaMQ)
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it seems a cynical reply to something over the top, and without the context, I, and other I trust, will not have a knee jerk reaction to some cut and paste twitter post.
Posted by: runner at January 29, 2023 01:50 PM (V13WU)
Go read his twitter feed.
it seems a cynical reply to something over the top, and without the context, I, and other I trust, will not have a knee jerk reaction to some cut and paste twitter post.
Posted by: runner at January 29, 2023 01:50 PM (V13WU)
Go read his twitter feed.
Posted by: CN at January 29, 2023 01:53 PM (Zzbjj)
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Its neat how this is a race (cultural, actually, but the terms are used interchangeably) AND policing problem.
That will be avoided like the plague, though.
That will be avoided like the plague, though.
Posted by: You have to admit it's an awesome way to kick off Black People Month at January 29, 2023 01:53 PM (ZOKOE)
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Am I crazy for thinking that it's gotten worse in the last, oh, 15 years or so? I wonder what could have happened around that time.
Posted by: Oddbob
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It has, and the target now are white people.
And yes, you can thank Obama for that.
Posted by: Oddbob
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It has, and the target now are white people.
And yes, you can thank Obama for that.
Posted by: SMH at January 29, 2023 01:53 PM (O1Ksx)
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To put it another way: in erGod's eyes, we are all equally worthless, and we should compare ourselves to His holiness, not the next guy's sins.
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Or Cotton Mather's spider held above the flame.
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Or Cotton Mather's spider held above the flame.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 29, 2023 01:54 PM (FVME7)
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As I stated all the way up top, I blame race relations leap backwards on Marxists and started by Barky
Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2023 01:54 PM (xhxe8)
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196 I hope no one miss reads Nurse's comment. This is our problem and it isn't just a race issue. We obviously aren't sending anyone back to Africa. But we need a hard look at our culture. Racism has dominated a deteriorating culture but there is more than that. Religion, faith, respect, education, trust. These are things that if we don't fix, will Balkanize the country.
Posted by: Diogenes
Thank you. I was hoping folks would see the "shop them all back to africa " as stupid.
It is something we all need to help to address. Something needs to happen to unlock the creativity, the work ethic, the OWNERSHIP of the inner city black community. And it happens through working hard together.
Posted by: Diogenes
Thank you. I was hoping folks would see the "shop them all back to africa " as stupid.
It is something we all need to help to address. Something needs to happen to unlock the creativity, the work ethic, the OWNERSHIP of the inner city black community. And it happens through working hard together.
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 29, 2023 01:55 PM (U2p+3)
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That may be, but that's how racism is being spread...cynically, with just a bit of humor.
Gotta make it palatable to the masses.
It's now okay to make jokes about white people, which I find just as detestable as those about blacks.
Posted by: SMH at January 29, 2023 01:52 PM (O1Ksx)
do you even know what a groyper is ? and why does he start with "since I am already pissing the groypers off ? " because he is racist ? get some context.
Gotta make it palatable to the masses.
It's now okay to make jokes about white people, which I find just as detestable as those about blacks.
Posted by: SMH at January 29, 2023 01:52 PM (O1Ksx)
do you even know what a groyper is ? and why does he start with "since I am already pissing the groypers off ? " because he is racist ? get some context.
Posted by: runner at January 29, 2023 01:56 PM (V13WU)
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The USA is the least racist country in the world. It's the Left's eternal effort to gaslight the world on that issue.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at January 29, 2023 01:57 PM (Iu1CX)
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President Biden@POTUS
United States government official
My word as a Biden: I’ve never been more optimistic about America’s future than I am today.
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His word as a Biden!
United States government official
My word as a Biden: I’ve never been more optimistic about America’s future than I am today.
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His word as a Biden!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Not a Real Simulation at January 29, 2023 01:57 PM (FVME7)
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'And yes, you can thank Obama for that.'
If I ever get my hands around his neck, I'll do just that.
'And yes, you can thank Obama for that.'
If I ever get my hands around his neck, I'll do just that.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at January 29, 2023 01:57 PM (roH4R)
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And yes, you can thank Obama for that.
Posted by: SMH
I always thought one of the greatest tragedies in American history is that FDR kept a segregated military. I grew up listening to vets talk about others from the war, and I understood that for many it was their first exposure to other ethnicities and regions of the US. This unified the country. Except for blacks - FDR kept them out that unity by keeping segregation. What might have been.
But now I think the greatest tragedy is that a freedom hating race-monger got elected and made things that much worse.
Posted by: SMH
I always thought one of the greatest tragedies in American history is that FDR kept a segregated military. I grew up listening to vets talk about others from the war, and I understood that for many it was their first exposure to other ethnicities and regions of the US. This unified the country. Except for blacks - FDR kept them out that unity by keeping segregation. What might have been.
But now I think the greatest tragedy is that a freedom hating race-monger got elected and made things that much worse.
Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at January 29, 2023 01:58 PM (T6W8V)
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254 Painting miniatures now but thinking of watching 1st NFL game in a few years, will see
Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2023 01:53 PM (xhxe
Time frame makes sense.
Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2023 01:53 PM (xhxe
Time frame makes sense.
Posted by: CppThis at January 29, 2023 01:58 PM (PZvjL)
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Posted by: runner at January 29, 2023 01:56 PM (V13WU)
I look at some of his comments as maybe satirical, but I can see how people are offended.
I look at some of his comments as maybe satirical, but I can see how people are offended.
Posted by: CN at January 29, 2023 01:59 PM (Zzbjj)
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I look at some of his comments as maybe satirical, but I can see how people are offended.
Posted by: CN at January 29, 2023 01:59 PM (Zzbjj)
I believe that it is, as his comment about the "chosen people".
Posted by: CN at January 29, 2023 01:59 PM (Zzbjj)
I believe that it is, as his comment about the "chosen people".
Posted by: runner at January 29, 2023 02:00 PM (V13WU)
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First Nood
Posted by: Skip at January 29, 2023 02:01 PM (xhxe8)
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...or they are, since there are a bunch cut and pasted together
Posted by: runner at January 29, 2023 02:01 PM (V13WU)
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It is something we all need to help to address. Something needs to happen to unlock the creativity, the work ethic, the OWNERSHIP of the inner city black community. And it happens through working hard together.
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 29, 2023 01:55 PM (U2p+3)
Four words: Welfare reduction and reformation.
Posted by: nurse ratched at January 29, 2023 01:55 PM (U2p+3)
Four words: Welfare reduction and reformation.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 29, 2023 02:02 PM (BdMk6)
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Call me anything you want, just don't call me late for dinner. People could lighten up some, Shirley.
Posted by: dartist at January 29, 2023 02:03 PM (U2hGT)
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It is something we all need to help to address. Something needs to happen to unlock the creativity, the work ethic, the OWNERSHIP of the inner city black community. And it happens through working hard together.
Posted by: nurse ratched
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It is difficult to solve from the outside, although it was "fixed" from the outside to get those poor bastards where they are today. Remember, it was openly stated that the plan was to have them ******a voting Democrat for the next 200 years. This collapse of the family and of motivation and self determination was on purpose. It's worth noting that it's how they want the other 87% of the population to become, too.
It was posted earlier, but we keep seeing this happening because they're trying to pack 20-30 years of fatherhood into 20-30 seconds of interaction with a powerful, unfeeling entity that was deemed "father" and that society expects to perform fatherly duties.
It never, ever turns out well.
Posted by: nurse ratched
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It is difficult to solve from the outside, although it was "fixed" from the outside to get those poor bastards where they are today. Remember, it was openly stated that the plan was to have them ******a voting Democrat for the next 200 years. This collapse of the family and of motivation and self determination was on purpose. It's worth noting that it's how they want the other 87% of the population to become, too.
It was posted earlier, but we keep seeing this happening because they're trying to pack 20-30 years of fatherhood into 20-30 seconds of interaction with a powerful, unfeeling entity that was deemed "father" and that society expects to perform fatherly duties.
It never, ever turns out well.
Posted by: You have to admit it's an awesome way to kick off Black People Month at January 29, 2023 02:03 PM (ZOKOE)
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I want to watch Jalen Hurts play, but I refuse to watch the NFL.
Posted by: You have to admit it's an awesome way to kick off Black People Month at January 29, 2023 02:05 PM (ZOKOE)
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What is a groyper?
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at January 29, 2023 02:05 PM (fUnHJ)
Posted by: SMH at January 29, 2023 02:05 PM (/P0vp)
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What is a groyper?
Groyper refers to an exploitable illustration of Pepe the Frog resting his chin on interlinked hands, variations of which are commonly used as profile avatars among the alt-right on Twitter and the alternative social networking service WrongThink.
Groyper refers to an exploitable illustration of Pepe the Frog resting his chin on interlinked hands, variations of which are commonly used as profile avatars among the alt-right on Twitter and the alternative social networking service WrongThink.
Posted by: SMH at January 29, 2023 02:06 PM (/P0vp)
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192 Piper
Thank you for calling that out! I have some amazing grandkids who have done nothing to deserve that type of remark, nor have posters like SMH who I would most certainly want in MY foxhole during SHTF.
Thank you for calling that out! I have some amazing grandkids who have done nothing to deserve that type of remark, nor have posters like SMH who I would most certainly want in MY foxhole during SHTF.
Posted by: Inisfree at January 29, 2023 02:16 PM (3g6r+)
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Four words: Welfare reduction and reformation.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 29, 2023 02:02 PM (BdMk6)
Three words: Bring back manufacturing
Four words: Welfare reduction and reformation.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 29, 2023 02:02 PM (BdMk6)
Three words: Bring back manufacturing
Posted by: CN at January 29, 2023 02:24 PM (Zzbjj)
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The Scorpion unit,
First rule of Scorpion unit, don't get caught on tape.
also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBMmMJfq4qo
First rule of Scorpion unit, don't get caught on tape.
also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBMmMJfq4qo
Posted by: DaveA at January 29, 2023 02:24 PM (FhXTo)
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196 I hope no one miss reads Nurse's comment. This is our problem and it isn't just a race issue. We obviously aren't sending anyone back to Africa. But we need a hard look at our culture. Racism has dominated a deteriorating culture but there is more than that. Religion, faith, respect, education, trust. These are things that if we don't fix, will Balkanize the country.
Posted by: Diogenes
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We are not one nation and one society anymore. As a result, we have become an incompetent empire like the latter days of the Hapsburg Empire and will disintegrate into more cohesive pieces in probably the near future.
Incompetent empires alternate between excessive use of force and excessive lenient policies based on political considerations, not societal. As a result, the splits widen in society.
Posted by: Diogenes
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We are not one nation and one society anymore. As a result, we have become an incompetent empire like the latter days of the Hapsburg Empire and will disintegrate into more cohesive pieces in probably the near future.
Incompetent empires alternate between excessive use of force and excessive lenient policies based on political considerations, not societal. As a result, the splits widen in society.
Posted by: whig at January 29, 2023 02:32 PM (tXMz2)
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“Guardians of the Galaxy” Star Dave Bautista Says He Covered Up His Manny Pacquiao Tattoo Because the Boxer Disapproves of Same-sex Marriage
I disapprove of unicorns.
“Guardians of the Galaxy” Star Dave Bautista Says He Covered Up His Manny Pacquiao Tattoo Because the Boxer Disapproves of Same-sex Marriage
I disapprove of unicorns.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 29, 2023 02:35 PM (63Dwl)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at January 29, 2023 02:36 PM (63Dwl)
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We are not one nation and one society anymore.
Were we ever?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot
Yes, we were a cohesive whole for about the 1940's to the 1960's. Crime actually declined during the Depression for example. But excessive immigration, stagnating wages for the common folk, and essentially the elites selling out their own countries throughout the West into an ersatz ruling class killed whatever nascent nationhood was developing in the US.
Societies cannot be 'built' from the exterior--they are organic and built from actions within--even the Soviets found out that was true.
We are not one nation and one society anymore.
Were we ever?
Posted by: Bertram Cabot
Yes, we were a cohesive whole for about the 1940's to the 1960's. Crime actually declined during the Depression for example. But excessive immigration, stagnating wages for the common folk, and essentially the elites selling out their own countries throughout the West into an ersatz ruling class killed whatever nascent nationhood was developing in the US.
Societies cannot be 'built' from the exterior--they are organic and built from actions within--even the Soviets found out that was true.
Posted by: whig at January 29, 2023 02:44 PM (tXMz2)
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ACAB and Defund the Police have had a huge impact on recruiting for the police. Drug culture and education have also been detrimental to police recruiting. Standards have been lowered to accommodate applicants that do not meet minimum standards. Ergo, you get the police that the standards call for. I spent 33 years as a police officer in a major metropolitan city of about 2 million people. Standards were already being lowered in 1984 in order to attract black applicants. I'm sure those standards have been lowered substantially for all applicants up to now. This is what causes cases such as the one in Memphis. Our society is poised on the brink of anarchy which is what the leftists, socialists, communists and Democrats are hoping for. They had better know what they are wishing for because they will get it good and hard when it happens.
Posted by: Sir Robert Peel at January 29, 2023 02:57 PM (kPWr2)
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There isn't a valid excuse why the U.S. doesn't have police well versed in constitutional and state law. We don't and the only conclusion why is because that isn't what is wanted. The most common forms of policing are targeted infractions, the "Click it or Ticket" and the "Things I Don't Like" variety. Both of these start from the POV you deserve whatever in what's about to happen.
When the genesis of a situation is hunter and prey, instead of civil servant, SWAT is the necessary amount of force.
When the genesis of a situation is hunter and prey, instead of civil servant, SWAT is the necessary amount of force.
Posted by: rdohd at January 29, 2023 03:31 PM (11ysA)
Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at January 29, 2023 03:39 PM (TU8Tj)
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I was a Honolulu city firefighter in the 80s when they began lowering entrance standards to allow women to join the department. Now I love women. But I also understood that no woman was going to be able to carry me out of a burning building if I went down. Nor would she be able to handle a 2-1/2 inch line on her own. So the city got less protection in exchange for inclusion. And, I assume, some children saw less of their mom. Around the same time, I also became aware that many police departments began modifying the psych evaluations normally given to prospective officers to allow more minorities to pass. Philadelphia for example found that 1 out of 4 black applicants failed the psych exam compared to 1 out of 5 white applicants. The solution? Lower the standards to allow sub-par individuals to enter law enforcement. The result? What we're seeing now.
Posted by: Kimo Loka at January 29, 2023 05:07 PM (ZO1EW)
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Contempt of cop
Posted by: Steve at January 29, 2023 05:44 PM (qds46)
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Less than 2% of all crimes in the USA are solved.
Most police academies are 6 months
Barber school is 2 years in NYC
Most police academies are 6 months
Barber school is 2 years in NYC
Posted by: Paul at January 29, 2023 05:52 PM (uqqVi)
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This was personal. It’s gonna come out that he has an issue with at least one of these cops.
Posted by: Trumpy at January 29, 2023 06:06 PM (5f0Sh)
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Thinking about the six year old who shot a teacher. Everyone knew he was trouble, yet no one did nuthin. Wonder why. What happens next? Does he keep creating mayhem, with extended trips to prison like Charlie Manson?
Posted by: Regular joe at January 29, 2023 06:29 PM (nnp+f)
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The 5 black cops acted with the same disregard for black lives that exists in our inner cities, where dozens are killed by fellow blacks every week.
To attempt to spin this as white supremacy is laughable on its face.
They were just brutal thugs, who had no business being cops, and as a result, were lousy, murderous cops. They would have felt at home in gangland Chicago.
To attempt to spin this as white supremacy is laughable on its face.
They were just brutal thugs, who had no business being cops, and as a result, were lousy, murderous cops. They would have felt at home in gangland Chicago.
Posted by: Dr Feelgood at January 29, 2023 06:55 PM (l4Xt2)
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Yes, total thuggery. The guy, Tyre, fled from his car. So why not impound his car, find the address where the car is registered to and pay the address a visit OR better yet, send a summons (for what ever law Tyre was breaking) to same address and let him spend money getting a lawyer and paying fines. No cause for what happened to this guy.
Posted by: just saying at January 29, 2023 07:13 PM (itAo5)
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18-3 I pick #3.
Posted by: boynsea at January 29, 2023 07:13 PM (sshap)
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>293 I was wondering that myself. I thought maybe he was messing around with one of their wives or daughters.
Posted by: just saying at January 29, 2023 07:15 PM (itAo5)
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157 136 a million square miles is 10k miles x 10k miles
That's a lot of real estate in New York
Posted by: MAxIE at January 29, 2023 01:15 PM (twxj3)
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Hmm, 1000 x 1000 miles = 1 million sq miles
10k x 10k = 100 million
That's a lot of real estate in New York
Posted by: MAxIE at January 29, 2023 01:15 PM (twxj3)
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Hmm, 1000 x 1000 miles = 1 million sq miles
10k x 10k = 100 million
Posted by: Arithmetic Primer at January 29, 2023 07:21 PM (qfLjt)
Posted by: Tom at January 29, 2023 07:38 PM (EcD5Y)
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I'm glad Memphis isn't burning so bright as to be seen from orbit after those 5 cops beat that black man to death but is there any doubt it would be different were the cops of a paler complexion?
Posted by: Daniel Kunkle at January 29, 2023 07:47 PM (9JdPm)
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I will agree in part and dissent in part. Yes, policing is broken. Why? How you look at it determines the 'why'?
1) The criminal justice system, primarily by virtue of bail reform and progressive prosecutors, now has few, if any, consequences. Those that might have thought twice about disobeying police no longer do.
2) The self-esteem movement taught everyone that they don't need to follow the rules. When stopped by police, they react in anger because nobody's ever told them NO before.
3) In cities, law enforcement is underpaid, so officers are overworked via OT. Not an excuse, but makes conflict more likely.
4) Reduction of standards in favor of DIE = unqualified cops.
4) Politicians are quick to exacerbate disagreements between police and the community if it will score them political points. There ARE bad cops, and they NEED to be dealt with. But not at the expense of GOOD cops (and there are plenty of them) or having 20/20 hindsight when officers have to make split-second decisions.
5) Lowering/changing hiring standards in honor
Is it a chicken vs. egg argument? Yes, sadly it is.
1) The criminal justice system, primarily by virtue of bail reform and progressive prosecutors, now has few, if any, consequences. Those that might have thought twice about disobeying police no longer do.
2) The self-esteem movement taught everyone that they don't need to follow the rules. When stopped by police, they react in anger because nobody's ever told them NO before.
3) In cities, law enforcement is underpaid, so officers are overworked via OT. Not an excuse, but makes conflict more likely.
4) Reduction of standards in favor of DIE = unqualified cops.
4) Politicians are quick to exacerbate disagreements between police and the community if it will score them political points. There ARE bad cops, and they NEED to be dealt with. But not at the expense of GOOD cops (and there are plenty of them) or having 20/20 hindsight when officers have to make split-second decisions.
5) Lowering/changing hiring standards in honor
Is it a chicken vs. egg argument? Yes, sadly it is.
Posted by: George Waterhouse at January 29, 2023 08:21 PM (vKU78)
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It's a race problem ... Thug Nation gonna thug nation as a cop or a criminal ...
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