Wednesday Overnight Open Thread (12/7/22) Pearl Harbor Remembered Edition

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The Quotes of The Day

Quote I
“We are not pursuing criminal justice, but transitional justice through which institutions differentiate themselves from a prior criminal regime by addressing the harm and committing to ethical behavior going forward, Dr. Sarah Federman, associate professor at the University of San Diego’s Kroc School of Peace Studies

Nothing will ever be enough, nothing.

Quote II
“It’s just disappointing that we can’t have a meal together.” Family Foundation President Victoria Cobb

Quote III
“I have not challenged the results of any Arizona elections. I have given legal advice about the future use of machine counting by companies that refuse to disclose the inner workings of their machines. I support transparency in elections,” Harvard Law professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz

Quote IV
"You ask what is our aim? I can answer in one word: Victory. Victory at all costs. Victory in spite of all terror. Victory however long and hard the road may be. For without victory there is no survival." Sir Winston Churchill

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"The Republicans are doing a great job!"

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Kevin McCarthy: Republican Majority Will Hold Biden Administration Accountable from ‘Day One
Republican leader Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) on Wednesday made it clear that the forthcoming GOP majority in the U.S. House will hold the Biden administration and Democrats accountable from “day one” — from investigating the origins of the Chinese coronavirus to the Department of Justice targeting concerned parents to the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan.
“You deserve to know the origins of COVID. You deserve to know why the DOJ went after concerned parents. You deserve to know why we failed to keep American lives safe in Afghanistan. On day one a Republican majority will begin holding this administration accountable,” McCarthy said in a viral social media post:

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It looks like the USA is starting to take lessons from Peru.

Peru In Crisis: Here’s What To Know After President Is Detained By Police
TOPLINE Peruvian President Pedro Castillo appeared to be held by police Wednesday, according to multiple reports, following a chaotic day in the country capped by Castillo's attempt to dissolve the national Congress and install an emergency government in what many observers are calling a coup attempt--this is what we know so far.

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When the slogan "Serve & Protect" is not enough.

A Philadelphia gas station owner hired heavily armed guards to fend off criminals amid a dangerous rise in crime, according to a report.
Neil Patel hired Pennsylvania S.I.T.E Agents armed with AR-15’s and shotguns to stand outside his Karco gas station at Broad and Clearfield streets in Northern Philadelphia, according to Fox 5 NY.
“They are forcing us to hire the security, high-level security, state level,” Patel told Fox 29. “We are tired of this nonsense; robbery, drug trafficking, hanging around gangs.”

If only the banks would cough up gobs and shittons of cash the thuggery would stop.

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I guess Mark Levin has a short memory and loves the FNC gravy train.

Rep. Andy Biggs Calls Mark Levin The “Biggest Fraud In Politics” For Supporting McCarthy
After calling McCarthy a "RINO dimwit" and criticizing him for years, Levin has begun supporting the establishment figure.

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AOC unethical? Probably, we know her bra size is larger than her IQ.

The House Committee on Ethics announced on Wednesday that Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) is under investigation for a potential ethics violation.
In a press release, the Committee stated that the Office of Congressional Ethics (OCE) referred the matter to them on June 23, 2022, the same day it received an OCE referral regarding fellow New York Democrat Rep. Carolyn B. Maloney.
“The Committee notes that the mere fact of a referral or an extension, and the mandatory disclosure of such an extension and the name of the subject of the matter, does not itself indicate that any violation has occurred, or reflect any judgment on behalf of the Committee,” the panel said.

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I think Carlee Bohannoco is a professional Grievance Seeker. Why would you find, Minorities in Shark Sciences?

Shark Week slammed by scientists for being 'too white', featuring too many men named 'Mike'
As well as looking at the overrepresentation of white men named Mike, the study also looked at how sharks are portrayed in the series, concluding that the programming emphasized negative stereotypes about sharks.

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James Bond has had a lot of gadgets over the years. Are these these the Top 10 in your mind?

After creating so many cinematic memories on the big screen, the James Bond franchise is celebrating its 60th anniversary. While news of what comes next for the saga is pretty thin at the moment, there is one certainty about what’s in store: The next James Bond will boast some intriguing, fun, and altogether dangerous gadgets.
It’s become a staple of the series, with the genre as a whole looking to the James Bond movies for inspiration when crafting their own equipment. While the likes of the Kingsman and Johnny English series might have taken some of the gadgets a step further into comedic territory, the devices that 007 uses throughout his adventures can often be grounded in a hyper-reality that pulls from real-world technology but are defined by an imaginative edge. These designs were memorable for their uses in the field and how cool they truly are as a concept. And although Bond might have some of the best gadgets out there, that isn’t to say that his enemies and allies aren’t also well-equipped.

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Although he doesn't care for Maple Syrup on French Toast, I would rather have CBD around than some AI gadget.

These 3-Michelin-starred plates were invented by AI. The food doesn’t even exist
When an AI plates food, the results are an uncanny delight.

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There once was a topless chick from Nantucket............

A bylaw amendment that will allow all people to be topless on Nantucket beaches regardless of gender has been approved by Attorney General Maura Healey.
The determination, addressed to Town Clerk Nancy Holmes, amends the town’s Protection of Coastal Areas and Open Spaces bylaws to add: “In order to promote equality for all persons, any person shall be allowed to go topless on any public or private beach within the Town of Nantucket.”
Current state law dictates that only men can be barechested in public — if women do the same, they can face a penalty of up to three years in prison and a fine of up to $300, provided that a complaint is filed with the police department.

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The ONT Musical Interlude & Luggage Carousel Emporium

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Moon over ~~Miami~~ Wayne County. Genius Award Winner.

A Michigan man exposed his buttocks to a judge Monday (December 5) while appearing in virtual court.
35-year-old Hassan Chokr was in court for a virtual emergency bond motion hearing when he mooned Juge Regina Thomas, according to FOX 2 News. The hearing was in regards to a charge of resisting arrest in Wayne County, and the court has now revoked his bond following the incident.

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Wile E. Coyote has to go back to the Acme Drawing Board Again. Tonight's Feel Good Story of The Day.

Brave Livestock Dog Takes On 12 Coyotes And Wins, Saves All Of The Sheep
A 2-year-old Great Pyrenees livestock dog displayed his heroic actions by protecting his sheep from a dozen coyotes last month.

Tonight's ONT has been brought to you by Roadside Assistance.

Notice: Posted with permission by the Ace Media Empire & AceCorp, LLC. This conglomeration has been serving Morons the ONT since 2008.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian (ONT Cob Emeritus) at 10:01 PM

Comments

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1 "A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within." - Ariel Durant

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at December 07, 2022 10:01 PM (hOUT3)

2 Hola! K-Tel?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at December 07, 2022 10:01 PM (Dc2NZ)

3

Pip-pip!

Posted by: Zettai at December 07, 2022 10:02 PM (GwvDC)

4 Hiya

Posted by: Oddbob at December 07, 2022 10:02 PM (nfrXX)

5 Yay, ONT!

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at December 07, 2022 10:02 PM (Bd6X8)

6 Whoa

Posted by: Muchas buchas at December 07, 2022 10:02 PM (4snt4)

7 what's going on here

Posted by: Ciampino -- US sports expensive for amateurs at December 07, 2022 10:02 PM (qfLjt)

8 Howdy Mis Hum

Posted by: Doof at December 07, 2022 10:02 PM (Wc8sE)

9 8

Posted by: Theodore at December 07, 2022 10:02 PM (pGonq)

10 k___ harv can suck it. i've been denied a 1st.

Posted by: BifBewalski at December 07, 2022 10:02 PM (3CCua)

11 Already 5 comments...

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at December 07, 2022 10:02 PM (8lcHJ)

12 Top 10 from the car. TSO rocks

Posted by: NALNAMSAM - not as lean, not as mean, still a Marine at December 07, 2022 10:02 PM (ySfme)

13 .a date which will live in infamy

Posted by: Javems at December 07, 2022 10:02 PM (AmoqO)

14 Dang. Fourth? Whata loozer.

Posted by: Oddbob at December 07, 2022 10:02 PM (nfrXX)

15 Well of course that aggravated mooning incident was in Wayne County. That would never happen in MY county!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at December 07, 2022 10:03 PM (Dc2NZ)

16 weaseled

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k76IGLi6jWI

Posted by: You Really Don't Want to Know at December 07, 2022 10:03 PM (8lcHJ)

17 Good evening morons and thank you mh

I have no faith at all in Kevin McCarthy-Luntz or in Mitch McConnell-Chao

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 07, 2022 10:05 PM (EZebt)

18 The best to our vets. To my dad especially.

Posted by: COMountainMarie at December 07, 2022 10:06 PM (xOQpB)

19 Hello Doof

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2022 10:06 PM (aA3+G)

20 How does Zappa write down something as weird and complex as "Inca Road" so that the musicians can perform it? Or is it all a jam?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at December 07, 2022 10:06 PM (Dc2NZ)

21 Pip-pip!
Posted by: Zettai

Well done old boy, well done!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at December 07, 2022 10:06 PM (hOUT3)

22 What the fuck is that woman ever saying in quote 1?

You can always tell the overly educated idiots, they can't communicate a simple idea without spitting up a word salad.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 07, 2022 10:07 PM (5p7BC)

23 You should hand out tabs of acid for Zappa Month, MisHum.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at December 07, 2022 10:07 PM (Dc2NZ)

24 Oh goody. I missed all the bad news today.

I'll just act like things are okay!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 07, 2022 10:07 PM (mZ3xv)

25 concluding that the programming emphasized negative stereotypes about sharks.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian

The Left can't be done apologizing for famines and genocides yet. Why the switch to sharks?

Posted by: mikeski at December 07, 2022 10:08 PM (P1f+c)

26 I have no faith at all in Kevin McCarthy-Luntz or in Mitch McConnell-Chao
Posted by: San Franpsycho

Both have their hands so deep in the public till they haven't see their fingers for years!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at December 07, 2022 10:08 PM (hOUT3)

27 The 2 gallon gas tank on that generator will charge that car enough to go how far? 10 miles? Maybe?

Posted by: fd at December 07, 2022 10:08 PM (sn5EN)

28 New Wokediana Jones trailer is trying to make a bunch of Antifa Hitler Youth converts.

Dude (Indiana) actually says he "doesn't believe in magic" - despite watching an ark melt someone's face off, etc.

But then the topper is he says "I've learned it's not what you believe. But how hard you believe it."

How fucking fucked are we if we don't get this shit under some kind of sanity and control?

Posted by: ... at December 07, 2022 10:08 PM (hAkEM)

29 After calling McCarthy a "RINO dimwit" and criticizing him for years, Levin has begun supporting the establishment figure.

Yet another media grifter exposed.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 07, 2022 10:09 PM (Xrfse)

30 A 2-year-old Great Pyrenees livestock dog displayed his heroic actions by protecting his sheep from a dozen coyotes last month.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian

Great Pyrenees..... or the Greatest Pyrenees?

Posted by: sheep reporter at December 07, 2022 10:09 PM (P1f+c)

31 >>23 You should hand out tabs of acid for Zappa Month, MisHum.Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at December 07, 2022 10:07 PM (Dc2NZ)

Yes, please.

Posted by: ZOD at December 07, 2022 10:09 PM (Q/6pY)

32 23 You should hand out tabs of acid for Zappa Month, MisHum.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at December 07, 2022 10:07 PM (Dc2NZ)

In your state there is something almost good that is legal these days.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2022 10:09 PM (aA3+G)

33 It appears that more and more of Conservatism TM is making their choice to stand with GOPe instead of what is right.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2022 10:09 PM (bDjBG)

34 Relevant to My Interests ONT Compliance Pics

https://twitter.com/kbdabear/media

*scroll down

Posted by: kbdabear at December 07, 2022 10:09 PM (qAR6u)

35 It hasn't been a great day. All the news has just sent me into a dark place--not personally, I just don't see a way out for the country, save some horrible catastrophe. No reason to think it won't just get worse and worse.

Not very pleasant to dwell on.

Posted by: Dr. T at December 07, 2022 10:09 PM (tp+tP)

36 You can always tell the overly educated idiots, they can't communicate a simple idea without spitting up a word salad.

If they just said what they meant, it would be immediately obvious that they're idiots and their "ideas" are just gibberish.

Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2022 10:09 PM (eOEVl)

37 In your state there is something almost good that is legal these days.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2022 10:09 PM (aA3+G)
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Toad Likker!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at December 07, 2022 10:10 PM (Dc2NZ)

38 What the fuck is that woman ever saying in quote 1?

You can always tell the overly educated idiots, they can't communicate a simple idea without spitting up a word salad.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 07, 2022 10:07 PM (5p7BC)

They like hearing themselves talk.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 07, 2022 10:10 PM (VwHCD)

39 29 After calling McCarthy a "RINO dimwit" and criticizing him for years, Levin has begun supporting the establishment figure.

Yet another media grifter exposed.
Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 07, 2022 10:09 PM (Xrfse)

Levin's mouth is securely attached to various Murdoch dick

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2022 10:10 PM (aA3+G)

40 You should insert AOC into Mark Levin's mouth-hole for Zod Pleasure Month, humans.

Posted by: ZOD at December 07, 2022 10:10 PM (Q/6pY)

41 Yet another media grifter exposed.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 07, 2022 10:09 PM (Xrfse)

And you wonder why Trump didn't hire "good people". There are no good people. Just people in maybe advantageous situations if you are lucky.

Posted by: ... at December 07, 2022 10:10 PM (hAkEM)

42 41 I am sadly in agreement. It’s pretty bleak right now.

Posted by: Piper at December 07, 2022 10:11 PM (ZdaMQ)

43 From the story for quote one:
Such funding would support the education of the next several generations of black students and take other steps to atone for the role they played in financing and supporting slavery in America, the witnesses argued.

How about going after the Democratic Party then?

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 07, 2022 10:11 PM (Angsy)

44 ZOD

Posted by: exdem13 at December 07, 2022 10:11 PM (W+kMI)

45 Memes at Barnhardt's:

https://www.barnhardt.biz/2022/12/07/misdememeor/

Now to read and listen to MusHum's content.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 07, 2022 10:11 PM (YJwUM)

46 Shark Week slammed by scientists for being 'too white', featuring too many men named 'Mike'

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The solution is obvious. Replace Shark Week with Zebra Week.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at December 07, 2022 10:12 PM (FVME7)

47 It hasn't been a great day. All the news has just sent me into a dark place--not personally, I just don't see a way out for the country, save some horrible catastrophe. No reason to think it won't just get worse and worse.

Not very pleasant to dwell on.

Posted by: Dr. T at December 07, 2022 10:09 PM (tp+tP)

We spent enough time reading history. Its was only a matter of time before we lived it.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 07, 2022 10:12 PM (VwHCD)

48 >>“I have not challenged the results of any Arizona elections. I have given legal advice about the future use of machine counting by companies that refuse to disclose the inner workings of their machines. I support transparency in elections,"

Dershowitz continues to prove he is a lot smarter than the geniuses at Redstate or any other member of the smart set who insists that anyone who questions the use of opaque election machines that either can't or authorities refuse to allow to be audited are "election deniers". Keep insisting that the causes of clearly fraudulent elections are a mystery and keep being an idiot, see how that works out.

France can turn around a paper ballot election in 4 hours for an entire country but Arizona can't produce a result in 2 weeks that a huge percentage don't agree with and they insist if we examine the machines we are the crazy ones. Sure.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2022 10:12 PM (ZLI7S)

49 Thanks for another dandy ONT, Mis Hum!

Very sobering photo up top and it is appropriate to remember Pearl Harbor on this day. I consider myself fortunate to have visited the Arizona Memorial and to pass by the U.S.S. Missouri which happened to be in the harbor at the same time. And to hear the stories told by survivors. RIP for all who made the ultimate sacrifice for our nation that dark day.

I would say the Kroc School of Peace Studies is aptly named. It is a crock.

Posted by: Legally Sufficient & Ungovernable at December 07, 2022 10:12 PM (hPMYc)

50 35 It hasn't been a great day. All the news has just sent me into a dark place--not personally, I just don't see a way out for the country, save some horrible catastrophe. No reason to think it won't just get worse and worse.

Not very pleasant to dwell on.
Posted by: Dr. T
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Short version of Patton's actual words from the movie--Don't take counsel of your fears.

Fears will almost always be worse than what actually will transpire.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2022 10:12 PM (bDjBG)

51 And you wonder why Trump didn't hire "good people". There are no good people. Just people in maybe advantageous situations if you are lucky.

Posted by: ... at December 07, 2022 10:10 PM (hAkEM)

No good people at a whore house, just pimps and whores.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 07, 2022 10:13 PM (VwHCD)

52 ZOD PLEASURE MONTH.

Posted by: ZOD at December 07, 2022 10:13 PM (Q/6pY)

53 24 Oh goody. I missed all the bad news today.

I'll just act like things are okay!
Posted by: AlaBAMA

It all depends upon your point of view. I've been using my phone to stream Christmas music all week instead of checking in on the blog.

My cow orkers are enjoying it, and I have assigned them them to make playlists that we will take turns listening to. We have our little department Christmas party next week. My Marine comes home for three weeks on Saturday.

My little hobbit hole is warm and cozy and festive.

All is pretty good in my world. And I live in Seattle. Just think what anyone could do just about anywhere else!

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 07, 2022 10:13 PM (U2p+3)

54 > Although he doesn't care for Maple Syrup on French Toast, I would rather have CBD around than some AI gadget.
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Let's not get too carried away... it's early. BTW.... have you seen some of his shit? That AI generated stuff is mint!

*whatever it's supposed to be*

Posted by: Beyond Meat at December 07, 2022 10:13 PM (Q4IgG)

55 >>Kroc School of Peace Studies

I assume this is Ray's money given by his c---t widow.

She is the c---t who ruined NPR. In the 90s she gave them a lot of money and took took control of their programming to make it the crap it has been since.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at December 07, 2022 10:14 PM (dQiv4)

56 It appears that more and more of Conservatism TM is making their choice to stand with GOPe instead of what is right.
Posted by: whig at December 07, 2022 10:09 PM (bDjBG)
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I've listened to Mark Levin for years. And stopped about 2 years ago.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 07, 2022 10:14 PM (EZebt)

57 Short version of Patton's actual words from the movie--Don't take counsel of your fears.

Fears will almost always be worse than what actually will transpire.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2022 10:12 PM (bDjBG)

This.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 07, 2022 10:14 PM (VwHCD)

58 Levin's mouth is securely attached to various Murdoch dick
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian

Pithy and cruel MisHum. Ace would approve.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2022 10:15 PM (bDjBG)

59 Zappa got George Duke to sing and play at the same time. Duke didn't do that before. Once Roads really shows off how well he could do it. Frank was always challenging his band, making them do things they didn't think they could.

Posted by: fd at December 07, 2022 10:15 PM (sn5EN)

60 Quote 1: WTH did that woman say?

Posted by: exdem13 at December 07, 2022 10:16 PM (W+kMI)

61 Levin's mouth is securely attached to various Murdoch dick
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian

"Get off your knees, you big dope!"

Posted by: Dr. T at December 07, 2022 10:16 PM (tp+tP)

62 It all depends upon your point of view. I've been using my phone to stream Christmas music all week instead of checking in on the blog.

My cow orkers are enjoying it, and I have assigned them them to make playlists that we will take turns listening to. We have our little department Christmas party next week. My Marine comes home for three weeks on Saturday.

My little hobbit hole is warm and cozy and festive.

All is pretty good in my world. And I live in Seattle. Just think what anyone could do just about anywhere else!
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 07, 2022 10:13 PM (U2p+3)

Amen! Positive attitude is super helpful.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 07, 2022 10:17 PM (mZ3xv)

63 Levin used to be a pithy, incisive wit with a a ton of legal knowledge and time in the trenches.

Now, despite how much he claims he's not a "special pleader" on his show, he sure seems to do a lot of special pleading for two factions: The GOPe and....you know.

Posted by: ballistic at December 07, 2022 10:17 PM (oXNqT)

64 Good evening everyone.

In honored memory of Uncle Dan and Uncle Phil - two brothers that joined the Navy immediately after the attack on Pearl Harbor. They shipped out together to Great Lakes Naval Station and, after graduation from boot camp, didn't see each other again until after VJ day and their return home.

USS Renshaw
USS Whitehurst

Posted by: Tonypete at December 07, 2022 10:17 PM (qoGsy)

65 Why play one note when twenty will do?

https://youtu.be/g6PaiCz3fFI

Posted by: a White Christmas at December 07, 2022 10:17 PM (P1f+c)

66 Quote 1: WTH did that woman say?

Posted by: exdem13 at December 07, 2022 10:16 PM (W+kMI)

In the ancient tongue?

I am douchebag, look upon my works and giggle.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 07, 2022 10:17 PM (VwHCD)

67 >>I've listened to Mark Levin for years. And stopped about 2 years ago. Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 07, 2022 10:14 PM (EZebt)

He's shrill.

The crows out back are shrill. I have a BB gun for the crows, to defend the owls.

Can't stand shrill.

Posted by: ZOD at December 07, 2022 10:17 PM (Q/6pY)

68 All is pretty good in my world. And I live in Seattle. Just think what anyone could do just about anywhere else!
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 07, 2022 10:13 PM (U2p+3)

I love your optimism. I need to try that out.

As Rush used to say, it's easy being a pessimist. Much more difficult to be an optimist. But it's a much healthier mindset.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, I think I have a skeleton inside me at December 07, 2022 10:17 PM (UQUAY)

69 "James Bond has had a lot of gadgets over the years. Are these these the Top 10 in your mind?"

I liked Austin Powers's gadgets better. Yeah, baby.

Posted by: She Hobbit at December 07, 2022 10:17 PM (ftFVW)

70 Fears will almost always be worse than what actually will transpire.

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I was afraid of what a Biden administration would do . . . OK, bad example.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at December 07, 2022 10:18 PM (FVME7)

71 I've listened to Mark Levin for years. And stopped about 2 years ago.
Posted by: San Franpsycho

I've read his writings off and on again over the years way back to when Sean used to have 'The Great One" back on his radio show.

His schtick voice on the radio always annoyed me though for some reason.

Part of the issue though, as we see, conservative inc legal types are just as compromised as conservative media tm. Ingraham, no less, clerked for Thomas and apparently did not learn a damn thing as it appears on her show.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2022 10:18 PM (bDjBG)

72 The AI food looks like its stale and outdated with lots of mold on it.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 07, 2022 10:19 PM (EZebt)

73
61 Levin's mouth is securely attached to various Murdoch dick
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian

"Get off your knees, you big dope!"
Posted by: Dr. T at December 07, 2022 10:16 PM (tp+tP)

***SNORT***

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2022 10:19 PM (aA3+G)

74 Quote 1: WTH did that woman say?
Posted by: exdem13

She seems to be practicing for a Congressional inquiry.

Posted by: mikeski does not recall at December 07, 2022 10:19 PM (P1f+c)

75 My little hobbit hole is warm and cozy and festive.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 07, 2022 10:13 PM (U2p+3)

1/2 of mine is new, decorated, and festive. The other half looks like home depot. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 07, 2022 10:19 PM (VwHCD)

76 I got ye old mouth metal today. Braces. On a man of my age! What is this world coming to.

Anyway. My teeth hurt like hell already which I guess is a good sign. My ortho didn't seem all that confident that these Invisaligner will fix my jaw, which will fix my tinnitus.

But he and I agreed to try this first before we get all crazy.

On the plus side, my dental assistant was super hot. Made for a nice distraction as she superglued all this crap to my teeth.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 07, 2022 10:19 PM (mZ3xv)

77 >>>AOC unethical? Probably, we know her bra size is larger than her IQ.

I thought her big booty was her claim to fame.
https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=oGsdKCn_sks

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 07, 2022 10:19 PM (gv7Yb)

78 53 nurse, that is lovely! I've been streaming Christmas music in my office too, solely for me. Unfortunately a colleague came in to ask me something and the song 'baby, it's cold outside' was playing. She then proceeded to lecture me on the date rape connotations of that song, blah blah. Cali liberals - you cannot coexist with them.

Posted by: IC at December 07, 2022 10:20 PM (oX3MH)

79 "James Bond has had a lot of gadgets over the years. Are these these the Top 10 in your mind?"

I liked Austin Powers's gadgets better. Yeah, baby.
Posted by: She Hobbit

I told you, that's not my bag, baby.

Posted by: A. Powers at December 07, 2022 10:20 PM (P1f+c)

80 "James Bond has had a lot of gadgets over the years. Are these these the Top 10 in your mind?"

I liked Austin Powers's gadgets better. Yeah, baby.
Posted by: She Hobbit at December 07, 2022 10:17 PM (ftFVW)
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Including these?

https://youtu.be/Yh6kbQnOAg4

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 07, 2022 10:20 PM (BpYfr)

81 On a long enough timeline, all your hero's will disappoint you.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 07, 2022 10:21 PM (mZ3xv)

82 Good evening Morons, how's it hanging?

Good news my old fiend Eddie is recovering nicely from having a cancerous kidney removed. Now later this month he goes in for 2 more stents. Please keep him in your prayers.

Has anyone heard from Cristopher RT? Wonder how he is doing.

Posted by: Farmer at December 07, 2022 10:21 PM (55Qr6)

83 My little hobbit hole is warm and cozy and festive.

Posted by: nurse ratched

1/2 of mine is new, decorated, and festive. The other half looks like home depot. lol
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division

My hobbit hole is slightly decorated, but not as cozy as I'd like with the increased energy prices in the Shire.

Posted by: She Hobbit at December 07, 2022 10:21 PM (ftFVW)

84 Cali liberals - you cannot coexist with them.
Posted by: IC at December 07, 2022 10:20 PM (oX3MH)

Or shoot them

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2022 10:21 PM (aA3+G)

85 Mark Levin is a cheerleader for the Ukraine Landromat. He has no sense of history or of proportion. He is blind to the scam being run out of Ukraine, a scam that was run out of Afghanistan for 20 years. He's a cold warrior fighting the Russians instead of fighting the commies.

When I was in the military I was only interested in killing commies. That they happen to be Russian at the time was merely coincidental with the times. The commies have moved on, like cockroaches, to other places to foul.

Posted by: Minuteman at December 07, 2022 10:21 PM (LaNzR)

86 I was afraid of what a Biden administration would do . . . OK, bad example.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

To quote a bad song from the 70's----You ain't seen nothing yet---bbbbbaby you ain't seen nothing yet----

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2022 10:21 PM (bDjBG)

87 I got ye old mouth metal today. Braces. On a man of my age! What is this world coming to.

You're never too old to become a metalhead.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at December 07, 2022 10:22 PM (Bd6X8)

88 Amazing that the most intellectually honest people today are Dershowitz, Greenwald, and Taibbi.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 07, 2022 10:22 PM (5p7BC)

89 Frank was a serious composer. There are no random notes, nor spacejams that drift off somewhere. It's almost spooky how perfect his live music vs. the records is, finishing songs in exactly the right time, or maybe a second off.

Posted by: Heino Fan Club #52, Hamburg at December 07, 2022 10:22 PM (dXilO)

90 All Ol Yeller does is bloviate. He's not really pleasant to listen to. Has he ever really done anything to advance the cause?

Posted by: fd at December 07, 2022 10:22 PM (sn5EN)

91 AI food menus? Who eats this shit? I'm a carnivore caveman. I eat animal flesh. Meat, veg, bread, beans and other carb? Potato? Rice? Pasta?

What's happening here? No bugs for me. I have deer in my yard.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 07, 2022 10:22 PM (geVLo)

92 I was afraid of what a Biden administration would do . . . OK, bad example.

heh

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 07, 2022 10:22 PM (Xrfse)

93 58 Gee... just coming back from the range and saw this.

Don't understand your hard on for Levin Mis Hum.

Read any of his books? Listen to any of his Sunday Shows?

Just asking.

Posted by: Nightwatch at December 07, 2022 10:22 PM (J00IM)

94 I got ye old mouth metal today. Braces. On a man of my age! What is this world coming to.
Posted by: AlaBAMA

How are you supposed to enjoy popcorn with the news, now?

Posted by: mikeski at December 07, 2022 10:22 PM (P1f+c)

95 I told you, that's not my bag, baby.
Posted by: A. Powers

What about this book...?

Posted by: She Hobbit at December 07, 2022 10:22 PM (ftFVW)

96 Well, my subdivision is occulting the Moon and Mars.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, Sans-Culottes (except for the Book Thread) at December 07, 2022 10:23 PM (Dc2NZ)

97 90 All Ol Yeller does is bloviate. He's not really pleasant to listen to. Has he ever really done anything to advance the cause?
Posted by: fd at December 07, 2022 10:22 PM (sn5EN)

Buy my book!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 07, 2022 10:23 PM (mZ3xv)

98 LOL, Eddie is an old friend, tho some may think of him as a fiend.

Posted by: Farmer at December 07, 2022 10:23 PM (55Qr6)

99 >>>A Michigan man exposed his buttocks to a judge Monday (December 5) while appearing in virtual court.

Mooning the judge is one way to make sure you get some justice, good and hard.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 07, 2022 10:23 PM (gv7Yb)

100 What's happening here? No bugs for me. I have deer in my yard.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 07, 2022 10:22 PM (geVLo)
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Shouldn't it be in the freezer?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 07, 2022 10:23 PM (BpYfr)

101 I dislike the Christmas songs that screech over the PA systems in the stores. I like the Christian ones, which you never hear in the stores.

Just once I'd like to hear O Holy Night, or Stille Nacht by Mannheim Steamroller while browsing Home Depot.

Ain't gonna happen.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, I think I have a skeleton inside me at December 07, 2022 10:23 PM (UQUAY)

102 >>His schtick voice on the radio always annoyed me though for some reason.

His insistence that screaming was a substitute for a persuasive argument lost me years ago.

There isn't a single voice in the media who is ahead of what is know here, not even Tucker. I don't need screaming lectures from Levin to tell me what I already know. I need them to know more than I do about what is happening to the country and none of them do.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2022 10:24 PM (ZLI7S)

103 We all know the reason for the season. Jesus of course..
But. Yes. Zappa!
We can certainly be lighthearted during our fun holiday times.

"Anything played wrong twice in a row is the beginning of an arrangement." Zappa

MisHum, have a wonderful coupla days off😉

Posted by: COMountainMarie at December 07, 2022 10:24 PM (xOQpB)

104 Why play one note when twenty will do?

Pffffft.

Posted by: Rachmaninoff at December 07, 2022 10:25 PM (eOEVl)

105 In case you were wondering why there are so many homeless people in Portland, Portland's county has given out more than 20,000 free tents over the last two years to homeless people (some of them $300 ice fishing tents), plus more than 69,000 tarps.

This is quite an achievement, given that there are only supposed to be 5,000 homeless people in Portland.

This came out as a result of an ADA lawsuit, since it turns out that many of these free tents are blocking sidewalks, in violation of the ADA.

The county fought tooth and nail against allowing these numbers to become public.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 07, 2022 10:26 PM (KCOCK)

106 All of the individuals who are in favor of reparations should pool their resources and pay the reparations themselves. However it's clear that the $ are just a front for more leftist control.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 07, 2022 10:26 PM (mP+mW)

107 >>'baby, it's cold outside' was playing. She then proceeded to lecture me on the date rape connotations of that song, blah blah.

It's cold outside. You will drink this lukewarm Miller Lite, remove your clothing. It's cold outside. Get into the bed, begin touching yourself. You really can stay, it's cold outside. Your mother will worry. ZOD. I simply must go. nThe answer is 'No.'

It's cold outside.

Posted by: ZOD at December 07, 2022 10:27 PM (Q/6pY)

108 93 58 Gee... just coming back from the range and saw this.

Don't understand your hard on for Levin Mis Hum.

Read any of his books? Listen to any of his Sunday Shows?

Just asking.
Posted by: Nightwatch at December 07, 2022 10:22 PM (J00IM)

He's played his Reagan days and his books into being "Mr. Conservative" but when push comes to shove his true colors of supporting Kevin McCarthy and towing the FNC line

What changed McCarthy from being a dimwit to the logical choice of being SOH?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2022 10:27 PM (aA3+G)

109 I fully support topless equality.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 07, 2022 10:27 PM (mZ3xv)

110
The Moon has spit Mars back out over Austin, TX. It will spit it out over Arizona in a couple of minutes.

Here, I think we're just about at the point of closest approach to the lunar limb.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at December 07, 2022 10:28 PM (Mzdiz)

111 I fully support topless equality.
Posted by: AlaBAMA

We need common sense ta-ta control!!

Posted by: Tonypete at December 07, 2022 10:28 PM (qoGsy)

112 I told you, that's not my bag, baby.
Posted by: A. Powers

What about this book...?
Posted by: She Hobbit at December 07, 2022 10:22 PM (ftFVW)

Buy my book!
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 07, 2022 10:23 PM (mZ3xv)

Buy my book!

Posted by: Amy Schumer at December 07, 2022 10:28 PM (kts79)

113 There isn't a single voice in the media who is ahead of what is know here, not even Tucker. I don't need screaming lectures from Levin to tell me what I already know. I need them to know more than I do about what is happening to the country and none of them do.
Posted by: JackStraw
---------------------
People on the right in media might leak a little truth here and there but they would lose their cushy positions if they did so on a regular basis.

Frankly, one gets better information from main stream media on occasion or the fringes of acceptable media than anything presented by conservative media tm.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2022 10:28 PM (bDjBG)

114 Casper the livestock dog for the win!

What a badass.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at December 07, 2022 10:29 PM (ufFY8)

115 Cruz brought up Biden's threat to withhold loans to Ukraine unless they fired the prosecutor investigating Burisma during an ambassador confirmation hearing. The Dem chair wouldn't allow Cruz to continue with the questioning.

Cruz has also just submitted a bill to reinstate service members dismissed because of the clot shot.

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2022 10:29 PM (0om5x)

116 111 I fully support topless equality.
Posted by: AlaBAMA

We need common sense ta-ta control!!
Posted by: Tonypete at December 07, 2022 10:28 PM (qoGsy

You're intolerant of ta-tas!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 07, 2022 10:29 PM (mZ3xv)

117 I need them to know more than I do about what is happening to the country and none of them do.
Posted by: JackStraw
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That is the scary thing for me. A dozen commentors here could do a better job running the Republican campaign strategy than the entire Party does now.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 07, 2022 10:29 PM (5p7BC)

118 My hobbit hole is slightly decorated, but not as cozy as I'd like with the increased energy prices in the Shire.

Posted by: She Hobbit at December 07, 2022 10:21 PM (ftFVW)

You gotta start burning orcs.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 07, 2022 10:29 PM (VwHCD)

119 I have asked every single person who works even remotely within earshot if my Christmas music was bothersome, and everyone has asked me to turn it up. And we have a tree in the lobby. And lights on our desks.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 07, 2022 10:29 PM (U2p+3)

120 That Zappa performance was fire!

Can not believe how tight they are. Boggles the mind.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 07, 2022 10:29 PM (YJwUM)

121 103 We all know the reason for the season. Jesus of course..
But. Yes. Zappa!
We can certainly be lighthearted during our fun holiday times.

"Anything played wrong twice in a row is the beginning of an arrangement." Zappa

MisHum, have a wonderful coupla days off😉
Posted by: COMountainMarie at December 07, 2022 10:24 PM (xOQpB)

Why thank you kindly Marie. I will try.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2022 10:29 PM (aA3+G)

122 109 I fully support topless equality.
Posted by: AlaBAMA

Most of the people being naked in public are not the ones you want to see that way.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2022 10:29 PM (bDjBG)

123 Quote 1: WTH did that woman say?
Posted by: exdem13 at December 07, 2022 10:16 PM (W+kMI)

We have not time for this thing you call laws. WE have better things to do that make us feel superior to you.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 07, 2022 10:30 PM (xhaym)

124 Just once I'd like to hear O Holy Night, or Stille Nacht by Mannheim Steamroller while browsing Home Depot.

Ain't gonna happen.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, I think I have a skeleton inside me at December 07, 2022 10:23 PM (UQUAY)

"O Holy Night" is the "How Great Thou Art" of Christmas songs. And both are best sung by Carrie Underwood.

Posted by: Doof at December 07, 2022 10:30 PM (Wc8sE)

125 MisHum who is the guy on synth and keys?

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 07, 2022 10:30 PM (YJwUM)

126 On the negative side for some reason Cruz is all in on Bitcoin. I'm going to have to research his reasoning.

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2022 10:30 PM (0om5x)

127 You gotta start burning orcs.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division

Hmmm, but that's so smelly. Really kills the mood.

Posted by: She Hobbit at December 07, 2022 10:30 PM (ftFVW)

128 I fully support topless equality.

You're not going to like the results.

Fines should still be allowed for aesthetic violations.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 07, 2022 10:31 PM (KCOCK)

129 Used to love Christmas, the music and festivities. Not so much anymore.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 07, 2022 10:31 PM (Xrfse)

130 109 I fully support topless equality.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 07, 2022 10:27 PM (mZ3xv)

The boob burn is unbelievably painful. Been there, did it once, never again.

Posted by: Moki at December 07, 2022 10:31 PM (JrN/x)

131 Casper killed 8 coyotes. He needs some bitches.

Posted by: Haimerej at December 07, 2022 10:31 PM (uUe/a)

132 88 Amazing that the most intellectually honest people today are Dershowitz, Greenwald, and Taibbi.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 07, 2022 10:22 PM (5p7BC)
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Seriously. If you'd have told me ten years ago that the news source I trust the most is a gay leftist that lives in Brazil I'd have laughed you out of the room, but here we are.

Posted by: ballistic at December 07, 2022 10:31 PM (oXNqT)

133 122 109 I fully support topless equality.
Posted by: AlaBAMA

Most of the people being naked in public are not the ones you want to see that way.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2022 10:29 PM (bDjBG

But you have to allow all the ta-tas to get the good ta-tas.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 07, 2022 10:31 PM (mZ3xv)

134 125 MisHum who is the guy on synth and keys?
Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 07, 2022 10:30 PM (YJwUM)

That would be the late great George Duke who plays on several Zappa LPs

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2022 10:32 PM (aA3+G)

135 That is the scary thing for me. A dozen commentors here could do a better job running the Republican campaign strategy than the entire Party does now.
Posted by: Dave in Fla

Now do public health, racial relations, schooling, or any other policy you care to name and compare AOS commenters to what actually happened in policy.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2022 10:32 PM (bDjBG)

136 We need common sense ta-ta control!!

Posted by: Tonypete at December 07, 2022 10:28 PM (qoGsy)

Now, hold on there!

Posted by: Wanna Be Ta-Ta Controller at December 07, 2022 10:32 PM (Angsy)

137 @126

>> I'm going to have to research his reasoning.

When a reason is not obvious or inexplicable with a politico it's more than likely blackmail or money, perhaps both.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 07, 2022 10:33 PM (up/3i)

138 That is the scary thing for me. A dozen commentors here could do a better job running the Republican campaign strategy than the entire Party does now.

I know, right? I've got this great new idea for the GOP. Are you ready? We run lots of, get this, repetitive, boring TV ads that look like they were filmed in 1980. Awesome, right? It can't lose.

The cherry on top is that we propose...hold onto your hats... an amnesty!

Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2022 10:33 PM (eOEVl)

139 The boob burn is unbelievably painful. Been there, did it once, never again.
Posted by: Moki at December 07, 2022 10:31 PM (JrN/x)

You need sunscreen!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 07, 2022 10:33 PM (mZ3xv)

140 I was even playing an arrangement by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir and folks stopped by to linger and listen.

It's nice.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 07, 2022 10:33 PM (jFyB2)

141 Now do public health, racial relations, schooling, or any other policy you care to name and compare AOS commenters to what actually happened in policy.
Posted by: whig
___

Gotta have credentials, and some of us don't have that.

Oh well.

Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 10:33 PM (xSghO)

142 SPF DD

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 07, 2022 10:33 PM (mZ3xv)

143
But you have to allow all the ta-tas to get the good ta-tas.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 07, 2022 10:31 PM (mZ3xv)

Here I am stud muffin

Posted by: Lena Dunham Hawt For AlaBAMA at December 07, 2022 10:34 PM (aA3+G)

144 Filed my homestead exemption for property tax for next year, as you have to be 65 to file for it.

But it knocks another $350.00 off the house property taxes.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at December 07, 2022 10:34 PM (1n+EO)

145 You gotta start burning orcs.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division

Hmmm, but that's so smelly. Really kills the mood.

Posted by: She Hobbit at December 07, 2022 10:30 PM (ftFVW)

baseboard heat, orc fired boiler outside, problem solved.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 07, 2022 10:34 PM (VwHCD)

146
I know, right? I've got this great new idea for the GOP. Are you ready? We run lots of, get this, repetitive, boring TV ads that look like they were filmed in 1980. Awesome, right? It can't lose.

The cherry on top is that we propose...hold onto your hats... an amnesty!
Posted by: Archimedes

Are you Karl Rove by chance?

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2022 10:34 PM (bDjBG)

147 Last beach I went to where quality nekkid boobies were on display was in Cancun. Mostly Europeans of course.

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2022 10:34 PM (0om5x)

148 "rtwt" as the kids like to say:
https://accordingtohoyt.com /2022/12/07 /our-trump-card/

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 07, 2022 10:34 PM (llON8)

149 Christmas will be rather subdued this year. Decorations are misplaced in the uncounted, unpacked moving boxes. The kids will be far away busy with their own thing.

So, it will be just the Mrs and I and perhaps a neighbor or two. Good thing is, we'll be able to concentrate more fully on the true meaning of our Lord's birth.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 07, 2022 10:34 PM (qoGsy)

150 All is pretty good in my world. And I live in Seattle. Just think what anyone could do just about anywhere else!
Posted by: nurse ratched at December 07, 2022 10:13 PM (U2p+3)

I love your optimism. I need to try that out.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, I think I have a skeleton inside me at December 07, 2022 10:17 PM

I also admire the way you take up for your city. I know you catch slack for it.

Posted by: Javems at December 07, 2022 10:34 PM (AmoqO)

151 Barely a hundred comments in and it's boobs and tatas already

Posted by: IC at December 07, 2022 10:34 PM (oX3MH)

152 143
But you have to allow all the ta-tas to get the good ta-tas.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 07, 2022 10:31 PM (mZ3xv)

Here I am stud muffin
Posted by: Lena Dunham Hawt For AlaBAMA at December 07, 2022 10:34 PM (aA3+G)

Cool. I need someone to hang the targets down range!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 07, 2022 10:34 PM (mZ3xv)

153 I saw Boob Burn open for Flesh for Lulu at the 930 Club in '87

Posted by: Doof at December 07, 2022 10:35 PM (Wc8sE)

154 I'm at my whits end with this supply chain bullshit.

I have been waiting for a pair of steerable camera pedestals for over 6 months, I pinged the vendor who promised the peds were going to ship tomorrow, they are now not expected to ship until sometime in January.

F**king motherf**kers.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 07, 2022 10:35 PM (up/3i)

155 A dozen commentors here could do a better job running the Republican campaign strategy than the entire Party does now.

I wonder how hard it would be to start a parallel campaign strategy service/plan for those who want to avoid getting sucked into the Republican machine.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 07, 2022 10:35 PM (EXyHK)

156 >>>Shouldn't it be in the freezer?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel

>Right now I have an overload of elk burger, but if I can find a way to stuff this freezer, we'll go for another batch of elk steaks and a 150 lbs of elk burger.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at December 07, 2022 10:35 PM (geVLo)

157 We need common sense ta-ta control!!

Your words offend me!

Posted by: Some motorboatin mf-er at December 07, 2022 10:35 PM (ufFY8)

158 151 Barely a hundred comments in and it's boobs and tatas already
Posted by: IC at December 07, 2022 10:34 PM (oX3MH)

MisHum started it!

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 07, 2022 10:35 PM (mZ3xv)

159 baseboard heat, orc fired boiler outside, problem solved.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division

I am waiting for that to appear on an "Ask This Old House" episode.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2022 10:35 PM (bDjBG)

160 I know, right? I've got this great new idea for the GOP. Are you ready? We run lots of, get this, repetitive, boring TV ads that look like they were filmed in 1980. Awesome, right? It can't lose.

The cherry on top is that we propose...hold onto your hats... an amnesty!
Posted by: Archimedes at December 07, 2022 10:33 PM (eOEVl)

Don't forget about us!

Posted by: Donation Snail Mail at December 07, 2022 10:35 PM (kts79)

161 I first became familiar with Mark Levin back during the Clinton/Lewinsky ordeal. He was on various cable TV shows doing a pretty good job of tearing apart the left's legal arguments. He was definitely partisan, but he used logic to make his point.

In later years, when I listened to clips of him doing his talk show, I was shocked to hear him substitute yelling and screaming for the logic he used to use.

Maybe it worked from a ratings point of view, but I lost all interest in paying attention to him at all.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 07, 2022 10:35 PM (gv7Yb)

162 Unless of course...after the disaster of the mid-terms...(now including Georgia)

Let's just form up our circular Firing Squad...RIGHT?

Mitch still has his money train ( which he amply protected to the loss of seats) but "MY VALUES RIGHT? (EFFIN HOBO)

Sure Sure...Republicans yeah sure ...yep, let's just do it like coyotes and eat our own.

And after that... the winners will don the BLUE kneecaps to do their work under the table.

The REPUBLICANS had 2 EFFIN years to try and repair the disaster of 2020...yep AH-Haw...strong work there.

Posted by: Nightwatch at December 07, 2022 10:35 PM (J00IM)

163 The boob burn is unbelievably painful. Been there, did it once, never again.
Posted by: Moki

If there was smeared lipstick on the carpet as part of this story my hat's off to you!!

Posted by: Tonypete at December 07, 2022 10:36 PM (qoGsy)

164
Well, the Moon just burped Mars out from Humbolt Crater from the POV of the Griffith Observatory in LA.

They were zoomed in enough to clearly see the features of Mars as it emerged from the limb.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at December 07, 2022 10:36 PM (Mzdiz)

165 'm at my whits end with this supply chain bullshit.

I have been waiting for a pair of steerable camera pedestals for over 6 months, I pinged the vendor who promised the peds were going to ship tomorrow, they are now not expected to ship until sometime in January.

F**king motherf**kers.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
___

Hate to tell ya, it's not gonna get any better.

Merry Christmas!

Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 10:36 PM (xSghO)

166 steerable camera pedestals

Which ones did you choose?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at December 07, 2022 10:36 PM (EXyHK)

167 I see the moon, that's it.

Too cloudy to see anything else.

Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 10:36 PM (xSghO)

168
Gotta have credentials, and some of us don't have that.

Oh well.
Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 10:33 PM (xSghO)

You can drive a tank. You're smart. You have common sense. I'd much rather you were running the country than anybody who's currently a politician. You have all the credentials needed.

Posted by: Moki at December 07, 2022 10:36 PM (JrN/x)

169 O Holy Night is the Africa of Christmas music.

The bridge of that song gives me chills.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 07, 2022 10:36 PM (5p7BC)

170 Assuming Casper is intact, he needs fresh bitches as often as possible for life. May he father great multitudes.

Posted by: leoncaruthers at December 07, 2022 10:37 PM (UfRqq)

171 See, I used to listen to George Duke too. Never knew what he looked like. Heck, I didn't know he was a black dude!

Absolutely amazing, and now that I know who it is, I understand.

The lady on xylophone and percussion is also freakin' superhuman. I think that's the best track you've shown us yet.

The animation was similarly on another level.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 07, 2022 10:37 PM (YJwUM)

172 Christmas will be rather subdued this year. Decorations are misplaced in the uncounted, unpacked moving boxes.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 07, 2022 10:34 PM (qoGsy)

Welcome to my world.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 07, 2022 10:37 PM (VwHCD)

173 154 I'm at my whits end with this supply chain bullshit.

I have been waiting for a pair of steerable camera pedestals for over 6 months, I pinged the vendor who promised the peds were going to ship tomorrow, they are now not expected to ship until sometime in January.

F**king motherf**kers.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 07, 2022 10:35 PM (up/3i)

Small transformers are over a year out. Street lights almost a year.

3 weeks ago I paid $5.00 for fricking 2x2s

Sunday lettuce was $2.99 a head. FUCK JOE BIDEN

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2022 10:37 PM (aA3+G)

174 >>People on the right in media might leak a little truth here and there but they would lose their cushy positions if they did so on a regular basis.

>>Frankly, one gets better information from main stream media on occasion or the fringes of acceptable media than anything presented by conservative media tm.

I think you are giving them too much credit. I don't think many or them are much smarter than Ron Burgundy, maybe less.

Most of them know nothing about history or how and why things are happening, they read teleprompters and collect their 7 figure salaries and comfort themselves that we are the great unwashed masses or as Strzok called us "smelly Walmart people". Most of them are pretty fucking dumb and unaccomplished people, they just look good behind a camera.

I get better information by anonymous nobodies online.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2022 10:38 PM (ZLI7S)

175 Has anyone heard from Cristopher RT? Wonder how he is doing.
Posted by: Farmer at December 07, 2022 10:21 PM (55Qr6)

He was in several of the daytime threads, Farmer. He seems to be coping.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 07, 2022 10:38 PM (tkR6S)

176 I give our military about 8 more years before the majority of the rank and file go full woke and will have no qualms about killing "conservative terrorists" in the event of a large scale protest. There are no normal young men joining. 8 years will tip the scales in favor of the illiterate lowlives and the disaffected idiots to gain a majority.

Posted by: MikeN at December 07, 2022 10:38 PM (yQSoz)

177 That is the scary thing for me. A dozen commentors here could do a better job running the Republican campaign strategy than the entire Party does now.
Posted by: Dave in Fla

Now do public health, racial relations, schooling, or any other policy you care to name and compare AOS commenters to what actually happened in policy.
Posted by: whig at December 07, 2022 10:32 PM (bDjBG)
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When civilization collapses, the Moron Horde has an incredible range of skills that will be invaluable in rebuilding it.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 07, 2022 10:38 PM (BpYfr)

178 When a reason is not obvious or inexplicable with a politico it's more than likely blackmail or money, perhaps both.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 07, 2022 10:33 PM (up/3i)

I may not always agree with it but Cruz always has an intellectual reasoning behind his positions. In the case of Bitcoin, I only read the headline so don't know what it would be.

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2022 10:38 PM (0om5x)

179 Gotta have credentials, and some of us don't have that.

Oh well.
Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 10:33 PM (xSghO)

You can drive a tank. You're smart. You have common sense. I'd much rather you were running the country than anybody who's currently a politician. You have all the credentials needed.

Posted by: Moki at December 07, 2022 10:36 PM (JrN/x)

Anybody who shoots at spiders with a SAW is perfect in my view. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 07, 2022 10:38 PM (VwHCD)

180 I see the moon, that's it.

No Alice?

Posted by: Ralph Kramden at December 07, 2022 10:38 PM (ufFY8)

181 I wonder how hard it would be to start a parallel campaign strategy service/plan for those who want to avoid getting sucked into the Republican machine.
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair

People have actually tried it and the GOPe and the Dems ganged up to use lawfare to kill it and infiltrate it with ringers from their apparently endless pool of informants etc.

If you do it, it would almost have to be cell like in organization where the ptb had no easy way to infect the whole organization nor coopt leaders. One way might be simply to stay local and apparently apolitical focusing on good government because the lines are not as sharp there as the national crap.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2022 10:38 PM (bDjBG)

182 MisHum started it!
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 07, 2022 10:35 PM (mZ3xv)

No, you did.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2022 10:38 PM (aA3+G)

183 You can drive a tank. You're smart. You have common sense. I'd much rather you were running the country than anybody who's currently a politician. You have all the credentials needed.
Posted by: Moki
___

Nice sentiment, Moki, but in the real world, it's all about what school you went to, and who you know.

Not bitter about it, just a fact.

Besides, I like my small-town life. It's quite stress-free, which I definitely cherish.

Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 10:39 PM (xSghO)

184 @165

>>Hate to tell ya, it's not gonna get any better. Merry Christmas!

Sadly, you speak truth.

I can't deal with this crap any longer, it's impossible to plan, keep to a schedule or make the client happy after you tell them delivery has slipped, by a f**king month.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 07, 2022 10:39 PM (up/3i)

185 Zodiac needs alternative assets for when Johnny Law finally comes knocking.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at December 07, 2022 10:40 PM (KFhLj)

186 I can't deal with this crap any longer, it's impossible to plan, keep to a schedule or make the client happy after you tell them delivery has slipped, by a f**king month.
Posted by: Thomas Bender
__

I feel ya.

Hub and his boss are dealing with similar issues.

Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 10:41 PM (xSghO)

187 >>166 steerable camera pedestals

Alright, cut. Subway is here. Put your gowns on, ladies, and clean up. Fifteen minutes, then back to work.

Posted by: ZOD at December 07, 2022 10:41 PM (Q/6pY)

188 Hero Sheep dog....looks a bit like Kyle Rittenhouse, don't he?

Posted by: birddog at December 07, 2022 10:41 PM (uAI4S)

189 Years ago I listened, or tried to listen to Levin. One, his voice is barely suitable for print. Two his voice grates on my nerves worse than my ex-wife's. Three, he's an idiot.

Ringing endorsement there asshole.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 07, 2022 10:41 PM (Q4IgG)

190 In later years, when I listened to clips of him doing his talk show, I was shocked to hear him substitute yelling and screaming for the logic he used to use.

Maybe it worked from a ratings point of view, but I lost all interest in paying attention to him at all.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous
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It is as if Levin's show producers wanted him to resemble Michael Savage who I could not stand on the radio.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2022 10:42 PM (bDjBG)

191 When civilization collapses, the Moron Horde has an incredible range of skills that will be invaluable in rebuilding it.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 07, 2022 10:38 PM (BpYfr)

Right?!? MoMe events are prep sessions. We just need designated rendezvous spots in each state for when it's actually go time for rebuilding civilization

Posted by: Doof at December 07, 2022 10:42 PM (Wc8sE)

192 108

I am in total agreement with McCarthy not being the SOH.

Too chummy with that bastard Chuck Schumer.

In that regard, I think Mr. Levin is wrong.

Posted by: Nightwatch at December 07, 2022 10:43 PM (J00IM)

193 I'm on the horns of a dilemma.

Maggie Astor@MaggieAstor
Barring a breakthrough, @nytimes staff will walk out from midnight to 11:59pm Thursday, Dec. 8.

We’re asking readers to stand with us on the digital picket line and not visit any NYT platforms tomorrow. Read local news. Make something from a cookbook. Break your Wordle streak.

-
Whatever I so, I'll be appearing to support one NYT group or another.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at December 07, 2022 10:43 PM (FVME7)

194 "Evening gents."* I hate dealing with hack attorneys.

*It's a quote from a war movie (or miniseries).

Posted by: SFGoth at December 07, 2022 10:43 PM (KAi1n)

195 I get better information by anonymous nobodies online.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2022 10:38 PM (ZLI7S)
* * * *
We have not had TV since we moved nearly four years ago. Haven't missed it, especially with Fox's slide into demonrat degeneracy.

My best sources for news are the Horde and nobodies and nearly nobodies online. At least I can trust them!

Posted by: Legally Sufficient & Ungovernable at December 07, 2022 10:44 PM (hPMYc)

196 134

See? This is why we have MisHum and his vast knowledge of all things Zappa....

Posted by: COMountainMarie at December 07, 2022 10:44 PM (xOQpB)

197 The only person I ever listened to on the radio was Rush.

Listened to him a lot while downrange, courtesy of a dittohead paying for full access for deployed troops.

Might have to visit his grave sometime to say, "Thanks".

Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 10:44 PM (xSghO)

198 @187

>>Alright, cut. Subway is here. Put your gowns on, ladies, and clean up. Fifteen minutes, then back to work.

It's even better when you put the robotic head, Camera, lens and prompter on your steerable pedestal.

Which I can't do because I don't have my f**king pedestals!!!!!

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 07, 2022 10:44 PM (up/3i)

199 >>in the real world, it's all about what school you went to, and who you know. Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 10:39 PM (xSghO)

This is incorrect.

Posted by: ZOD at December 07, 2022 10:45 PM (Q/6pY)

200 I think you are giving them too much credit. I don't think many or them are much smarter than Ron Burgundy, maybe less.

Most of them know nothing about history or how and why things are happening, they read teleprompters and collect their 7 figure salaries and comfort themselves that we are the great unwashed masses or as Strzok called us "smelly Walmart people". Most of them are pretty fucking dumb and unaccomplished people, they just look good behind a camera.

I get better information by anonymous nobodies online.
Posted by: JackStraw

I don't reject most sources of information outright but look at the totality of information and a source that gives off too much noise to signal gets sent to the bottom of the stack.

A lot of it depends if you have a fact base and independent knowledge before you analyze media stories. Back in the day, I used to read the old foreign radio intercept transcripts because even if slanted, one could pick out some facts here and there.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2022 10:45 PM (bDjBG)

201 Dr. Sarah Federman will be whining like baby and calling the banks greedy when they s start raising her fees to cover their cost of reparations. You can bet on that

Posted by: Ripley at December 07, 2022 10:45 PM (PTDkx)

202 Casper killed 8 coyotes. He needs some bitches.
Posted by: Haimerej

damn. i'm slow as hell. i call pyranese dogs, 'ghost dog' all of them. regardless of the name the owner has given them.

and hero doggeh's name is freaking 'CASPER'.

i'm dumb as hell, too.

Posted by: BifBewalski at December 07, 2022 10:46 PM (3CCua)

203 Well, I can see the Moon clearly. No sign of Mars.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 07, 2022 10:46 PM (tkR6S)

204 Might have to visit his grave sometime to say, "Thanks".

+1000

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 07, 2022 10:46 PM (Xrfse)

205 I'm pretty close to the start of the Baby Boom. All the kids I knew, all the kids I went to school with -- all our fathers were vets. It was a given.

One of my big gripes with the Vietnam War protesters was that the guys were sent to 'Nam for one year. My father, and the rest of our fathers, enlisted or were drafted for the duration. They had no idea when they were coming home again. They just knew they weren't coming home until Nazi Germany and Japan were forced to surrender unconditionally.

And, no, I'm not running down any Moron who put in time in 'Nam, Iraq, of Afghanistan. Sadly, I am all too aware of what you guys endured. It just ticked me off at the time to hear Vietnam protesters complaining about losing two years of their lives. They were lucky; their hitches came with a promised, guaranteed end date. My father and his buddies didn't have that luxury.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at December 07, 2022 10:47 PM (z7W9M)

206 We’re asking readers to stand with us on the digital picket line and not visit any NYT platforms tomorrow. Read local news. Make something from a cookbook. Break your Wordle streak.

-
Whatever I so, I'll be appearing to support one NYT group or another.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at December 07, 2022 10:43 PM (FVME7)
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What's their beef?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 07, 2022 10:47 PM (BpYfr)

207 148 "rtwt" as the kids like to say:
https://accordingtohoyt.com /2022/12/07 /our-trump-card/
Posted by: Helena Handbasket

HH, thanks for posting that Sarah Hoyt link. I hope EVERYONE here reads it and thinks about it!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at December 07, 2022 10:47 PM (hOUT3)

208 The only person I ever listened to on the radio was Rush.

Listened to him a lot while downrange, courtesy of a dittohead paying for full access for deployed troops.

Might have to visit his grave sometime to say, "Thanks".
Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 10:44 PM (xSghO)

Where is El Rushbo buried? Cape Girardeau? Elsewhere?

Posted by: Doof at December 07, 2022 10:47 PM (Wc8sE)

209 176 I give our military about 8 more years before the majority of the rank and file go full woke and will have no qualms about killing "conservative terrorists" in the event of a large scale protest. There are no normal young men joining. 8 years will tip the scales in favor of the illiterate lowlives and the disaffected idiots to gain a majority.
Posted by: MikeN

Not a word of that is true.

Posted by: nurse ratched at December 07, 2022 10:47 PM (U2p+3)

210 Right?!? MoMe events are prep sessions. We just need designated rendezvous spots in each state for when it's actually go time for rebuilding civilization
Posted by: Doof
___

TX LZ has already been established.

Need one for the upper Midwest, the Northeast,the Southeast and the Northwest, not to mention AK and HI.

Though, God forgive me, I don't think HI has much of a chance survival-wise. O'ahu is doomed.

Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 10:47 PM (xSghO)

211 >>> 199 >>in the real world, it's all about what school you went to, and who you know. Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 10:39 PM (xSghO)

This is incorrect.
Posted by: ZOD at December 07, 2022 10:45 PM (Q/6pY)

Not incorrect, merely incomplete, as she was too polite to include the part about "who you blow".

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 07, 2022 10:47 PM (llON8)

212 If I never get read anything from the NYT, am I supporting these dolts?

I guess I should encourage everyone to go read NYT articles tomorrow.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 07, 2022 10:48 PM (mZ3xv)

213 So I just watched that Tom Cotton speech to the Kroger CEO, and I’m pretty sure I’m pregnant.

Posted by: YouUsedToKnowMe at December 07, 2022 10:48 PM (6k8X4)

214 Christmas will be rather subdued this year. Decorations are misplaced in the uncounted, unpacked moving boxes.

Posted by: Tonypete
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My moving truck shows up the day after Christmas. I leave Wyoming the day after that. Weather permitting. Who was the idiot who planned this?

Posted by: screaming in digital at December 07, 2022 10:48 PM (pkAcY)

215 It is as if Levin's show producers wanted him to resemble Michael Savage who I could not stand on the radio.
Posted by: whig

Savage > Levin, but that's not saying much.
There was a local guy (S.F., where Weiner (errr, Savage) is from) named Lee Rodgers who was great. Got older, developed health problems, and died on the operating table 10 or 15 years ago.

I don't listen to any talk radio now. The only voices coming out of my car speakers these days are pretty much Rob Halford and the dudes in Blue Oyster Cult. Occasional guest singers.

Posted by: SFGoth at December 07, 2022 10:48 PM (KAi1n)

216 11 >>> 199 >>in the real world, it's all about what school you went to, and who you know. Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 10:39 PM (xSghO)

This is incorrect.
Posted by: ZOD at December 07, 2022 10:45 PM (Q/6pY)

Not incorrect, merely incomplete, as she was too polite to include the part about "who you blow".
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 07, 2022 10:47 PM (llON

I would rate this comment as Right On.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2022 10:49 PM (aA3+G)

217 You want to see a supermodel topless on the beach, you'll get Kamala Harris ' stepdaughter topless on the beach

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 07, 2022 10:49 PM (mP+mW)

218 I may not always agree with it but Cruz always has an intellectual reasoning behind his positions. In the case of Bitcoin, I only read the headline so don't know what it would be.
Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2022 10:38 PM (0om5x)

There are a number of benefits to Bitcoin, but not for the trash coins like FTX or the ones that are commoditized.
Crypto competes directly with the banks and the Central Banks. I don't know why Cruz supports Crypto, that is the sort of thing that doesn't get reported.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 07, 2022 10:49 PM (xhaym)

219 >>> 213 So I just watched that Tom Cotton speech to the Kroger CEO, and I’m pretty sure I’m pregnant.
Posted by: YouUsedToKnowMe at December 07, 2022 10:48 PM (6k8X4)

Insom??

I thought you only got pregnant at MoMees!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 07, 2022 10:49 PM (llON8)

220 30 A 2-year-old Great Pyrenees livestock dog displayed his heroic actions by protecting his sheep from a dozen coyotes last month.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian

Great Pyrenees..... or the Greatest Pyrenees?

Posted by: sheep reporter at December 07, 2022 10:09 PM (P1f+c)
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Whose pair of knees?

Posted by: Ciampino - knees up Mother Brown at December 07, 2022 10:49 PM (qfLjt)

221 Hi. If any of y’all are part time loan sharks, or even full time ones, will you let me know so we can work a deal? I have found my home to escape. Thank you in advance.

https://tinyurl.com/hze5fm7p

Posted by: Piper at December 07, 2022 10:50 PM (ZdaMQ)

222 Did you all with dealing with "Delayed Deliveries", Product shortage, and the like ever wonder where this crap all started?

Let me educate you...Peter Paul Montgomery Buttigieg.

SEC OF TRANSPORTATION...or his total lack there of...

The dude is a fake, Soc/Commie POS and he is EFFIN with the industrial workings of the US.

Posted by: Nightwatch at December 07, 2022 10:50 PM (J00IM)

223 Anybody got a good recommend for a DNS server, and how to force a change? The one used by my new ISP seems wonky.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 07, 2022 10:50 PM (tkR6S)

224 Where is El Rushbo buried? Cape Girardeau?

Bellefontaine Cemetery in St. Louis.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 07, 2022 10:51 PM (Xrfse)

225 It is as if Levin's show producers wanted him to resemble Michael Savage who I could not stand on the radio.
Posted by: whig at December 07, 2022 10:42 PM (bDjBG)

Levin and Savage are why I used to listen to the Russian station on my evening commute.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 07, 2022 10:51 PM (xhaym)

226 Zodiac needs alternative assets for when Johnny Law finally comes knocking.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at December 07, 2022 10:40 PM (KFhLj)

Based on what I just read, that is actually part of his reasoning. "The government can't control Bitcoin" .

Another of his reasons is it's an energy win win for Texas regard to Bitcoin mining. There are details of that I won't bore you with.

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2022 10:51 PM (0om5x)

227
The show is pretty much over for everybody in the viewing path, now.

Here was feed from Griffith Observatory in LA:

https://tinyurl.com/2mfw4wq3

Go back about an hour and you'll see Mars disappear behind the lunar limb, then fast forward and see it emerge. They have a very nice view of the whole thing.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at December 07, 2022 10:51 PM (Mzdiz)

228 I would say it's more important on who you know than the school you went to.

I went to a no account community collage but I have my career because my friend told his boss he needed help and that he had a friend and you will hire him to help me.

The rest is history.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 07, 2022 10:52 PM (up/3i)

229 Whatever I so, I'll be appearing to support one NYT group or another.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks aka Hangdog Barkston at December 07, 2022 10:43 PM (FVME7)

a pox on both their houses.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 07, 2022 10:52 PM (xhaym)

230 AOP 1.1.1.1

Posted by: fd at December 07, 2022 10:53 PM (sn5EN)

231 Let me educate you...Peter Paul Montgomery Buttigieg.
Posted by: Nightwatch

Wait, his name is really Peter Paul Montgomery?

That is so gay.

Posted by: mikeski at December 07, 2022 10:53 PM (P1f+c)

232 212 If I never get read anything from the NYT, am I supporting these dolts?

I guess I should encourage everyone to go read NYT articles tomorrow.
Posted by: AlaBAMA

?

The main reason to read a NYT article is to read something vomited from the voice of the Deep State if one has need of doing so. Ditto for WaPo. The DOJ uses the NYT to leak while the Dept of State and CIA use WaPo.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2022 10:53 PM (bDjBG)

233 Bitcoin is not the enemy, it's an alternative way of getting things done financially that doesn't hinge on a central authority to broker and validate the deals.

The problem is all the grifters and charlatans that jumped on the bandwagon.

Posted by: CppThis at December 07, 2022 10:54 PM (UewuT)

234 That is the scary thing for me. A dozen commentors here could do a better job running the Republican campaign strategy than the entire Party does now.
Posted by: Dave in Fla (there is no path to 270) at December 07, 2022 10:29

Agreed I've often thought the same thing. Why the f#ck don't they hit them hard w/ pertinent issues?

Heck, you and I could do a better job than Ronna and the RNC, and f*ck McConnel. He spent 57 mil in AL and shorted the NH and AZ candidates. Dumb greedy MFer, he was more worried about keeping his job as leader of a minority, selfish cocksucker IMO.

Posted by: Farmer at December 07, 2022 10:54 PM (55Qr6)

235 Seriously if you got forced out of the military these days over a vaccine would you even want to go back?

Posted by: Nearsighted Cyclopes at December 07, 2022 10:54 PM (PbwT0)

236 When you hear "supply chain" just know the eventual result is Venezuela.

I've seen empty stores in the USSR. You won't like it.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 07, 2022 10:54 PM (EZebt)

237 Sunday lettuce was $2.99 a head. FUCK JOE BIDEN
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian

Made a last minute run to my nearest Costco to buy a few staples.

Yowza, I admit I went when it was the end of the day, but Costco had NO EGGS for sale and a limit of 2 per customer when they get them again!

Guess I'll be drinking NOG on New Year's Eve this year!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at December 07, 2022 10:55 PM (hOUT3)

238 >>Not incorrect, merely incomplete, as she was too polite to include the part about "who you blow".
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 07, 2022 10:47 PM (llON

Some industries reward gratification/fellatio. ZOD has not worked in that area/crotch.

(Pats head of blonde)

But Zod is glad that some still see it as a rung on the ladder.

Posted by: ZOD at December 07, 2022 10:55 PM (Q/6pY)

239 >>I don't reject most sources of information outright but look at the totality of information and a source that gives off too much noise to signal gets sent to the bottom of the stack.

>>A lot of it depends if you have a fact base and independent knowledge before you analyze media stories. Back in the day, I used to read the old foreign radio intercept transcripts because even if slanted, one could pick out some facts here and there.

Nor do I. I am a consumer of information and always have been since I was a kid. Which is why I wasn't a bit surprised when Cronkite wrote his autobiography and basically said he was a Democrat shill during his entire career.

But we've moved well passed those somewhat nostalgic days and moved into a media that is basically a disinformation machine which not ironically claims any information they don't approve of is disinformation. There is no unbiased source of facts in the media any longer, it is just how close they hew to the regime line.

Baier was shocked, shocked!, to report today that James Baker was the bent former general counsel of the FBI before he went on to lying for Twitter. No shit. We knew that 2 years ago. It's all lies.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2022 10:55 PM (ZLI7S)

240 139 The boob burn is unbelievably painful. Been there, did it once, never again.
Posted by: Moki

You need sunscreen!
Posted by: AlaBAMA

+100 comments, and no offers to help apply it? Who are you people?

Posted by: mikeski at December 07, 2022 10:55 PM (P1f+c)

241 237 Sunday lettuce was $2.99 a head. FUCK JOE BIDEN
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian

Made a last minute run to my nearest Costco to buy a few staples.

Yowza, I admit I went when it was the end of the day, but Costco had NO EGGS for sale and a limit of 2 per customer when they get them again!

Guess I'll be drinking NOG on New Year's Eve this year!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at December 07, 2022 10:55 PM (hOUT3)

There were eggs at the store, but they were proud of them at over $5 for 18 of them.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 07, 2022 10:56 PM (aA3+G)

242 A gallon of top shelf OJ is nearly 10 bucks and grapes are 3 bucks a pound.

Sh*t is crazy out there.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at December 07, 2022 10:57 PM (up/3i)

243 ...The one used by my new ISP seems wonky.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 07, 2022 10:50 PM

I use Cloudflare, when I'm not on my VPN -- which uses Cloudflare as well...

Posted by: Zettai at December 07, 2022 10:57 PM (C8kvv)

244 Where is El Rushbo buried? Cape Girardeau?

Bellefontaine Cemetery in St. Louis.
Posted by: Notorious BFD
___

Yep.

Hub works in that area frequently.

Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 10:57 PM (xSghO)

245 "O Holy Night" is the "How Great Thou Art" of Christmas songs. And both are best sung by Carrie Underwood.
Posted by: Doof

Though a trio of contractors just screwing around can do okay, too.

https://youtu.be/1yvaBIV8Clc?t=36

Posted by: mikeski at December 07, 2022 10:57 PM (P1f+c)

246 See? This is why we have MisHum and his vast knowledge of all things Zappa....
Posted by: COMountainMarie

Last year I kinda bounced off Zappa month. This year I resolved to listen to all of them. Maybe I'm just more in the mood to try and get into them this year.

It's not even that I don't get it. I do, honestly. I'm betting Mike Patton's Mr. Bungle was heavily influenced by Mothers of Invention. You'd have to be deaf to not bet that.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 07, 2022 10:58 PM (YJwUM)

247 223 Anybody got a good recommend for a DNS server, and how to force a change? The one used by my new ISP seems wonky.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 07, 2022 10:50 PM (tkR6S)

++++

Google is reliable.
8.8.8.8
8.8.4.4

And easy to remember.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 07, 2022 10:58 PM (gv7Yb)

248

Why would you find, Minorities in Shark Sciences?
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Intense personal interest:
https://www.winslowhomer.org/gulf-stream.jsp

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 07, 2022 10:58 PM (48u4S)

249 Milk is getting harder to find here. Went looking for 2% yesterday at two different places and no dice.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 07, 2022 10:59 PM (Xrfse)

250 Need one for the upper Midwest, the Northeast,the Southeast and the Northwest, not to mention AK and HI.

Though, God forgive me, I don't think HI has much of a chance survival-wise. O'ahu is doomed.
Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 10:47 PM (xSghO)

blaster acres is in the freest part of Free Florida.

Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2022 10:59 PM (pwExq)

251 Anybody got a good recommend for a DNS server, and how to force a change? The one used by my new ISP seems wonky.

76.76.19.19
76.223.122.150

Or try Quad9 or Cloudflare.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at December 07, 2022 11:00 PM (Bd6X8)

252 Are you old enough to remember Herb Caen of The San Francisco Chronicle?

He was a true voice back in the day and I pay homage to him by doing this...

Posted by: Nightwatch at December 07, 2022 11:00 PM (J00IM)

253 I always thought Shark Week was racist. A whole week devoted principally to Great Whites? Racism straight up.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls - an election is simply a festival for the majority at December 07, 2022 11:00 PM (KFhLj)

254 Well, I can see the Moon clearly. No sign of Mars.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 07, 2022 10:46

It's a bright full orange moon here, no stars at all due to the clouds. I think this is considered a blue moon.

Posted by: Farmer at December 07, 2022 11:00 PM (55Qr6)

255

Cloudflare DNS:

https://developers.cloudflare.com /1.1.1.1/setup/windows/

I've also got it set up on my router, so everyone at the palatial Zettaibunker uses it...

Posted by: Zettai at December 07, 2022 11:01 PM (7X52p)

256 Are you old enough to remember Herb Caen of The San Francisco Chronicle?
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Used to read his column every now and again as a kid, before turning my attention to Bloom County and Calvin and Hobbes.

Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 11:01 PM (xSghO)

257 Agreed I've often thought the same thing. Why the f#ck don't they hit them hard w/ pertinent issues?
....
Posted by: Farmer at December 07, 2022 10:54 PM (55Qr6)

Not sure if you've heard, but that is NOT who we are!

Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2022 11:02 PM (pwExq)

258 >>Herb Caen

Paul HARvey.

Posted by: ZOD at December 07, 2022 11:02 PM (Q/6pY)

259 Are these these the Top 10 in your mind?
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I'll go with the DB5, with mg's.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 07, 2022 11:02 PM (48u4S)

260 There were eggs at the store, but they were proud of them at over $5 for 18 of them.
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian[/i

But were they free-range organic hand-fed and raised on a family owned small farm?

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar (hOUT3) ~ Next year in Corsicana - again! ~ at December 07, 2022 11:02 PM (hOUT3)

261 Thank you for remembering.
As a wee lad at school the principal would give a remembrance prayer and it would be the topic of the day.

We've come a long way.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 07, 2022 11:02 PM (AfYvi)

262 Agreed I've often thought the same thing. Why the f#ck don't they hit them hard w/ pertinent issues?

Heck, you and I could do a better job than Ronna and the RNC, and f*ck McConnel. He spent 57 mil in AL and shorted the NH and AZ candidates. Dumb greedy MFer, he was more worried about keeping his job as leader of a minority, selfish cocksucker IMO.
Posted by: Farmer

McConnell is not stupid--he is literally on the other side as are a big percentage of GOP senators in office. The House is a bit better because it has higher turnover and is more open to newcomers due to House districts being more difficult to engineer GOPe outcomes by their usual tricks.

The truth is apart from fraud issues which must be dealt with at the state or federal level by prosecutions etc., the GOP simply does not nor wants a ground game to turn out voters. Thus, their stale out of date campaigns relying on branding rather than actual policy statements. That is because their true policies are diametrically opposite to what a majority of their base wants.

Dems don't have that problem much anymore and their oligarch dark money bypasses the DNC and goes directly to turnout machines.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2022 11:02 PM (bDjBG)

263

I wouldn't use Go Ogle DNS...

Posted by: Zettai at December 07, 2022 11:03 PM (7X52p)

264 Several years back, a couple friends of mine said that FDR knew all about the coming attack on Pearl Harbor and did nothing about it because he wanted into the war so badly. That just struck me as wrong, so I went digging on my own.

1'. Army Intelligence and Naval Intelligence did not play well together. They each had pieces that if they had been willing to share, Pearl Harbor might have been averted.

2. Yes, Churchill knew the Japanese were up to something, but British Intelligence was pointing to either the Philippines or Singapore.

3. We have forgotten how poorly 1940s communications compare to modern communications. The Japanese fleet sailed into a typhoon, effectly concealing themselves.

4. We Americans were dead sure Pearl Harbor was impregnable. The Honolulu newspaper printed a huge article one week prior to the attack bragging about how safe and protected Pearl was.

5. Somehow, Americans convinced themselves that the Japanese were physically and mentally incapable of planning out and executing an attack on Pearl.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at December 07, 2022 11:03 PM (z7W9M)

265 249 I have been buying it at Sam’s in the 3 pack for $16 so I have as much of a stock of milk as you can keep on hand for this reason. 18 eggs are over $6 at the Publix here and a little nothing holiday cookie tray was $45. I will bake my own, but was curious and then shocked.

Posted by: Piper at December 07, 2022 11:04 PM (ZdaMQ)

266 >>Why would you find, Minorities in Shark Sciences?

Queequeg knew what was going on with sharks.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2022 11:04 PM (ZLI7S)

267 I bought ketchup today. Holy inflation Batman !

I have a feeling fast food joints are going to start limiting how much ketchup you can have.

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2022 11:04 PM (0om5x)

268 But were they free-range organic hand-fed and raised on a family owned small farm?
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar

They're rare enough that I'm just happy if all 12 eggs are chicken-free.

Posted by: mikeski at December 07, 2022 11:04 PM (P1f+c)

269 Paul HARvey.

Yep.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 07, 2022 11:04 PM (Xrfse)

270 Mountain fog here, I can't even see one block.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 07, 2022 11:04 PM (48u4S)

271 230 AOP 1.1.1.1
Posted by: fd at December 07, 2022 10:53 PM

AOP, you can find it in your browser's settings, and pick one or change it manually. Brave has several you can choose from, or like fd said, change it to 1.1.1.1, which is Cloudflare's DNS resolver.

Posted by: Taq, Rickrolled by Jesus at December 07, 2022 11:05 PM (YJwUM)

272 Baier was shocked, shocked!, to report today that James Baker was the bent former general counsel of the FBI before he went on to lying for Twitter. No shit. We knew that 2 years ago. It's all lies.
Posted by: JackStraw

Even WaPo reported Baker's firing from the FBI at the time and why and rumors of his deposition of his misdeeds including the fake Russia Russia gate were out there well before that. Think he was the guy that accepted goodies from media as well as being a top ranked leaker in DC.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2022 11:05 PM (bDjBG)

273 Yes, Churchill knew the Japanese were up to something, but British Intelligence was pointing to either the Philippines or Singapore. -----

And they were right .

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2022 11:06 PM (0om5x)

274 McCarthy sounds like weak soup.
Wonder what he and Jim Jordan talked about on Levin's show tonight?

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 07, 2022 11:06 PM (AfYvi)

275 Mountain fog here
Posted by: Mike Hammer

Is that what we Minnesotans call "clouds"?

Posted by: mikeski at December 07, 2022 11:06 PM (P1f+c)

276 Baier was shocked, shocked!, to report today that James Baker was the bent former general counsel of the FBI before he went on to lying for Twitter. No shit. We knew that 2 years ago. It's all lies.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2022 10:55 PM (ZLI7S)
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Next thing you know, he'll be reporting the chocolate ration has been increased

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 07, 2022 11:07 PM (EZebt)

277 Let's look at December 7, 1942. What a sea change in the tide of World War II.

American and Australian forces along the turkey's back in New Guinea are turning it into a graveyard of Imperial ambition and soldiers. Never again will Japan ever get as close to Australia as it did in 1942.

Over at Guadalcanal Americans are now firmly in control of the festering stinking putrid island after some terrific and bloody battles on land, sea, and in the air. In few a more months Japan will admit defeat and withdraw its military forces from the island, a shattered hollow force compared to what arrived.

In North Africa, Commonwealth and American forces are steadily squeezing the Desert Fox, Erwin Rommel, into an ever shrinking sandbox that is no longer poised to seize Egypt from British control.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 07, 2022 11:07 PM (8EJMD)

278 Mountain fog here, I can't even see one block.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc.
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On the upside, no sharks.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 07, 2022 11:07 PM (+M3be)

279 I have a feeling fast food joints are going to start limiting how much ketchup you can have.
Posted by: polynikes
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They already have.

Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 11:08 PM (xSghO)

280 >> Mountain fog here, I can't even see one block.

Install Stellarium, desktop version, FOS. It will well be worth your while. Set your exact location coordinates and it will give a damned accurate view of the local sky.

Using that tonight, Mars closet approach viewed from here was a little less than 4 arcminutes from the lunar limb.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at December 07, 2022 11:08 PM (Mzdiz)

281 Serendipity at the thrift store:

Back in the early '70s, Betty Crocker published a Recipe Card library, with themed recipes in groups of 20 or so.

I inherited part of the Men's Favorites pack from my grandmother in 1987, and have been looking for the rest since then.

Checked out the book sorting room as always and there in a box were a bunch of recipe group cards, most in their pristine, though brittle, cellophane packaging.
Including a complete set of Men's Favorites, which I snagged for myself.

So nostalgic, from a time when men could have favorite foods and women were happy to cook them for them.

Posted by: sal: tolle adversarium et afflige inimicum at December 07, 2022 11:08 PM (wE246)

282 274 McCarthy sounds like weak soup.
Wonder what he and Jim Jordan talked about on Levin's show tonight?

Posted by: Braenyard

He is because he is compromised. Apparently the rest of the GOP conference is just hunky dory with McCarthy literally living with a lobbyist and contractor to various groups, some of which are specifically anti GOP.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2022 11:08 PM (bDjBG)

283 All Truth be told

FDR was just another EFFIN Democrate.

Sorry about your legs dude...but around your hip line, the Johnson seemed to be working just fine...cept for your wife.

Posted by: Nightwatch at December 07, 2022 11:08 PM (J00IM)

284 Why would you find, Minorities in Shark Sciences?

Queequeg knew what was going on with sharks.
Posted by: JackStraw
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I swam with makos and tigers in Hawaii.

Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 11:09 PM (xSghO)

285 Is that what we Minnesotans call "clouds"?
Posted by: mikeski
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Pretty much.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 07, 2022 11:09 PM (+M3be)

286 Maggie Astor@MaggieAstor
Barring a breakthrough, @nytimes staff will walk out from midnight to 11:59pm Thursday, Dec. 8.

Bird Cages, hardest hit!

Posted by: Snatched from the Headlines at December 07, 2022 11:09 PM (kts79)

287 J.J. peaked my interest:

Who Shot Up Two Electric Power Stations in North Carolina?
_J.J.'s link, https://tinyurl.com/2b9wx48h He called the attacks “targeted” and said they were carried out by a person or persons who “knew exactly what they were doing.” Duh

Who Shot Up Electric Power Station in California 2013? Duh.
The attack, which nearly took out power to parts of Silicon Valley, has been called "the most significant incident of domestic terrorism involving the grid that has ever occurred" by the nation's top electrical utility regulator.

The yet-unsolved case has been shrouded in mystery. No suspects have been named, and as of last year, no motive identified. _CNN 2015 https://tinyurl.com/4ewmmjea https://tinyurl.com/2b9wx48h

These things aren't vandalism they are dry runs.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 07, 2022 11:09 PM (AfYvi)

288 >>On the upside, no sharks.

There are sharks everywhere. Some are just more obvious.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2022 11:10 PM (ZLI7S)

289 Bird Cages, hardest hit!

True dat. Heh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 07, 2022 11:10 PM (Xrfse)

290 Maggie Astor@MaggieAstor
Barring a breakthrough, @nytimes staff will walk out from midnight to 11:59pm Thursday, Dec. 8.

Bird Cages, hardest hit!
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Ooh, 24 hours.

Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 11:11 PM (xSghO)

291 These things aren't vandalism they are dry runs.

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Yep.

Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 11:12 PM (xSghO)

292 243 ...The one used by my new ISP seems wonky.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 07, 2022 10:50 PM

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Look up free DNS servers. You will find instructions on how to find the fastest for you. I use 4.4.2.4 and
208.67.222.222

Posted by: Ciampino -- knees up Mother Brown at December 07, 2022 11:12 PM (qfLjt)

293 AOP 1.1.1.1
Posted by: fd at December 07, 2022 10:53 PM (sn5EN)

Well, I have apparently set that as a static DNS for my router.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 07, 2022 11:12 PM (tkR6S)

294 So nostalgic, from a time when men could have favorite foods and women were happy to cook them for them.
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Hub gets this.

Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 11:12 PM (xSghO)

295 Highly recommend Pearl Harbor-curious get/read:

Attack on Pearl Harbor - Strategy, Combat, Myths, Deceptions, by Alad Zimm

He examines the operation from a contemporary operations research perspective. Many things one sees/hears repeated, constantly, fit into the "myth" category.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 07, 2022 11:13 PM (OTzUX)

296

I'd that one could shut down the entire nation's grid were he to knock out a select 20 substations...

Posted by: Zettai at December 07, 2022 11:13 PM (7X52p)

297 Are you old enough to remember Herb Caen of The San Francisco Chronicle?

He was a true voice back in the day and I pay homage to him by doing this...
Posted by: Nightwatch at December 07, 2022 11:00 PM (J00IM)
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Vitamin V

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 07, 2022 11:14 PM (EZebt)

298 Did they shoot up the surveillance cameras also or are they so incompetent that none were in place?

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2022 11:14 PM (0om5x)

299

I'd READ that...

Posted by: Zettai at December 07, 2022 11:15 PM (7X52p)

300 It was the Russians getting us back for Nord Stream.

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2022 11:15 PM (0om5x)

301 Attack on Pearl Harbor - Strategy, Combat, Myths, Deceptions, by Alad Zimm

Thanks. Just when I thought I had read just about everything on WWII, one of our own comes through once again.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at December 07, 2022 11:16 PM (Xrfse)

302 Also highly recommended - UToob naval history guy Drachinifel's 2-part series on the salvage effort at Pearl Harbor following the attack. Pretty amazing.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 07, 2022 11:16 PM (OTzUX)

303

Ewok Week features transvestite lesbians who identify as neuro divergent elks who strapon peg deceased fetal plantains in a light cream sauce with a hemoglobin rich tiramisu dessert...

Posted by: Hitlery Cliton at December 07, 2022 11:16 PM (RGAMZ)

304 Did they shoot up the surveillance cameras also or are they so incompetent that none were in place?
Posted by: polynikes

Don't discount the possibility the taking of the subs off line will be an inside job.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 07, 2022 11:16 PM (qoGsy)

305 Somehow, Americans convinced themselves that the Japanese were physically and mentally incapable of planning out and executing an attack on Pearl.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at December 07, 2022 11:03 PM (z7W9M)
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The "soft bigotry of low expectations"

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 07, 2022 11:17 PM (EZebt)

306

If one were to train an elite force of squirrels and raccoons to attack substations...

It would be neater and quieter...

Posted by: Zettai at December 07, 2022 11:17 PM (7X52p)

307 Hello, ONTers, how goes life?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2022 11:18 PM (UuMH9)

308 >>These things aren't vandalism they are dry runs.

But vandalism is useful. Pitch a bag full of red concrete dye off the 14th Street Bridge? Coast Guard. Shots fired from a car, in several places? Sirens. Caltrops on a major road? Headlines.

A country as afraid of fear as this country is could be paralyzed right quick.

Posted by: ZOD at December 07, 2022 11:18 PM (Q/6pY)

309 part 1 of 3

Notable bankers are jumping out of windows, hanging themselves in back rooms, and blowing their brains out in roadside ditches. Is it not strange that there are no reports on the contents of their suicide notes, 6TH FEB 2014 https://tinyurl.com/52z5826y

This list is from a blog https://tinyurl.com/y9mm4esd referencing an archived and paywalled ZeroHedge https://tinyurl.com/y6uu79fc article. iirc chronological order

1 -January 26th. William Broeksmit, 58-year-old former senior executive at Deutsche Bank AG, was found dead in his home after an apparent suicide in South Kensington in central London, on

2 - January 27th. Karl Slym, 51 year old Tata Motors managing director Karl Slym, was found dead on the fourth floor of the Shangri-La hotel in Bangkok on

3 -January 27th. Gabriel Magee, a 39-year-old JP Morgan employee, died after falling from the roof of the JP Morgan European headquarters in London

4 - Jan. 29, 2014 Mike Dueker, 50-year-old chief economist of a US investment bank was found dead close to the Tacoma Narrows Bridge in Washington State.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 07, 2022 11:18 PM (AfYvi)

310 part 2 of 3

5 Feb 08, 2014 ·- Richard Talley, the 57 year old founder of American Title Services in Centennial, Colorado, was found dead earlier this month after apparently shooting himself with a nail gun. (nine times)

6 -Feb. 19, 2014 Tim Dickenson, a U.K.-based comms director at Swiss Re AG, also died last month, however the circumstances surrounding his death are still unknown.

Feb 28 *Autumn Radtke, 28, the CEO Bitcoin exchange First Meta, was found dead on 28 February outside her Singapore apartment. She had jumped from a 25-story building, authorities said. *not in original article

7 - Ryan Henry Crane, a 37 year old executive at JP Morgan died in an alleged suicide just a few weeks ago.Â No details have been released about his death aside from this small obituary announcement at the Stamford Daily Voice.

8 - Li Junjie, 33-year-old banker in Hong Kong jumped from the JP Morgan HQ in Hong Kong this week.

9 - Feb. 19., James Stuart Jr, Former National Bank of Commerce CEO, found dead in Scottsdale, Ariz., the morning of Feb. 19. A family spokesman did not say whatcaused the death

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 07, 2022 11:18 PM (AfYvi)

311 part of 3

10 - Edmund (Eddie) Reilly, 47, a trader at Midtownâ€™s Vertical Group, commited suicide by jumping in front of LIRR train

11 - Kenneth Bellando, 28, a trader at Levy Capital, formerly investment banking analyst at JPMorgan, jumped to his death from his 6th floor East Side apartment.

12 - Jan Peter Schmittmann, 57, the former CEO of Dutch bank ABN Amro found dead at home near Amsterdam with wife and daughter.

13 - Li Jianhua, 49, the director of China's Banking Regulatory Commission died of a sudden heart attack

14 - Lydia (no surname given) , 52 - jumped to her suicide from the 14th floor of Bred-Banque Populaire in Paris

15. Jul, 09, 2014, Julian Knott shot his wife Alita to death with a shotgun before turning the weapon on himself. https://tinyurl.com/y2yr5znr JP Morgan Executive Director,

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 07, 2022 11:18 PM (AfYvi)

312 Did they shoot up the surveillance cameras also or are they so incompetent that none were in place?
Posted by: polynikes
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I doubt seriously that the shooters were within visual range.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 07, 2022 11:19 PM (6qpYX)

313 Hello, ONTers, how goes life?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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Oh, look who just waltzes back here after being gone since forever.

Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 11:20 PM (xSghO)

314 I got about 50 seconds into the Zappa link, and it puked out an ad for some Lasik quack.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 07, 2022 11:20 PM (tkR6S)

315 Somehow, Americans convinced themselves that the Japanese were physically and mentally incapable of planning out and executing an attack on Pearl.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at December 07, 2022 11:03 PM (z7W9M)

That and the fact that we didn't believe it possible based on our own capability to do it. To be fair it was on the very edge of operational feasibility.

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2022 11:21 PM (0om5x)

316 Err, that would be "Alan" Zimm, not his half-brother "Alad".

Well the Russian campaign against Uke electric infrastructure surely began with planning based on advice from the engineers. Whose immediate predecessors may well have designed and built Ukraine's grid.

There were a couple recent hits that seemed specifically targeted at Ukraine's electrified railroads. And accompanying these were some hits on the few facilities in the country that service diesel-electric locomotives.

Pretty systematic. Ultimate impact on outcome, if any, "boak znayet" (God only knows).

Posted by: rhomboid at December 07, 2022 11:21 PM (OTzUX)

317 264 Several years back, a couple friends of mine said that FDR knew all about the coming attack on Pearl Harbor and did nothing about it because he wanted into the war so badly. That just struck me as wrong, so I went digging on my own.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin

Probably one of the best accounts of Naval Intel breakdowns before Pearl Harbor was Layton's I Was There book. He was Adm Kimmel's intel aide for the Pacific fleet at the time. Later he became a high muckety muck in Naval Intelligence and became an Admiral himself.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2022 11:21 PM (bDjBG)

318 Oh, look who just waltzes back here after being gone since forever.
Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 11:20 PM (xSghO)

Hey, some of us have things to do and what not!

BUT I do read the blog daily, just don't comment so much anymore.

How's everything with you?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2022 11:21 PM (UuMH9)

319 >>I swam with makos and tigers in Hawaii.

If you swim in the ocean you are never far from sharks even if you don't know it. We saw them all the time when I was teaching in the Caribbean and we have them all over up here. There's a reason Jaws was filmed right around corner.

And more people will die in Chicago this weekend than will die from shark attacks in the US in 10 years.

Film at 11.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2022 11:21 PM (ZLI7S)

320 TX LZ has already been established.
Need one for the upper Midwest, the Northeast,the Southeast and the Northwest, not to mention AK and HI.

Though, God forgive me, I don't think HI has much of a chance survival-wise. O'ahu is doomed.
Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 10:47
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I used to have a haven for family and friends in N IL. However that was a different day and age. When Grandpa died in Dec 79 one of the factors for me, a city kid, to take over farming the family farm, was that it would be a safe refuge if we had a nuclear war w/ the USSR.

Truly that was a part of my outlook at the time. This was before our hometown boy Dutch got elected in 80, inaugurated in Jan 81 and proceeded to stand up for freedom. "Tear down this wall" was real, people forget that.

Now that we might need that refuge, alas Grandma's kids sold the farm a couple of yrs after her death.

Posted by: Farmer at December 07, 2022 11:21 PM (55Qr6)

321 I join you in your SNORT in Kevin McCarthy's general direction.

Nothing he promises will come to pass.

Posted by: Ultra pj at December 07, 2022 11:21 PM (G1dq6)

322 We have a 3' tree in the living room atop a side table and a lit "JOY" sign, my Mom had, on a wall in the den. That's about it. My son, the Mrs. and I will be there. That's what counts.

Posted by: Javems at December 07, 2022 11:21 PM (AmoqO)

323 I doubt seriously that the shooters were within visual range.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 07, 2022 11:19 PM (6qpYX)

Regard to any potential terrorist target you don't set up surveillance like you're a 7-11.

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2022 11:22 PM (0om5x)

324 The one in California was done from inside the fence with small caliber weapons. .22s iirc. They shot holes in predetermined places that would allow the transformers to leak all of the oil slowly.

The shooters were long gone when the transformers blew.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 07, 2022 11:23 PM (AfYvi)

325 The Prodigal Paratestes

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 07, 2022 11:23 PM (EZebt)

326 >>There's a reason Jaws was filmed right around corner.

That Kintner boy, spilling out all over the dock.

Posted by: ZOD at December 07, 2022 11:24 PM (Q/6pY)

327 re: the power sub-stations.

"But some local police have anticipated the their moves and four terrorists are shot to death by SWAT units that had taken up position at key electrical power stations in Pennsylvania and North Carolina. But the federal government provided no coordination. Six two-person commando units fired small, easily, concealed, rocket-propelled grenades into a dozen power transformers, blacking out almost the entire East Coast."

Think this is current headline stuff? Wrong. This is pg. 3 of the book Final Warning: Averting Disaster in the New Age of Terrorism that was published in 1989. It has always been an open secret how vulnerable our energy infrastructure is.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 07, 2022 11:24 PM (8EJMD)

328 The Prodigal Paratestes
Posted by: San Franpsycho
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Uh, oh...

Posted by: The Fatted Calf at December 07, 2022 11:24 PM (6qpYX)

329 And more people will die in Chicago this weekend than will die from shark attacks in the US in 10 years.

Film at 11.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2022 11:21 PM (ZLI7S)

I bet if people were trapped in a shark infested lagoon the numbers would be closer.

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2022 11:25 PM (0om5x)

330 A US Navy wargame had a carrier commander doing exactly what the Japs did well before Pearl Harbor. In addition, Taranto had occurred months before Pearl Harbor did where the Brits did to the Italian surface fleet what the Japanese would do at Pearl Harbor and the Japanese took notes.

The worst breakdown though was in the PI as MacArthur's air force was destroyed on the runway some eight hours after Pearl Harbor occurred. The same result of losing the PI would have probably happened but perhaps at a slower rate.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2022 11:25 PM (bDjBG)

331 How's everything with you?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes
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Doing okay, how about yourself?

Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 11:25 PM (xSghO)

332 76 I got ye old mouth metal today. Braces. On a man of my age! What is this world coming to.

Anyway. My teeth hurt like hell already which I guess is a good sign. My ortho didn't seem all that confident that these Invisaligner will fix my jaw, which will fix my tinnitus.

...
Posted by: AlaBAMA at December 07, 2022 10:19 PM (mZ3xv)

Oh dear does that being back unpleasant memories.

My braces were installed, uppers and lowers in one session...and tightened down too!

I was fine for about two hours. It was at that moment when I went to bite into a Jujy Fruit candy that the most awful pain overwhelmed me. Tears...many tears followed in short order.

Fortunately my father was a doctor, and we had Paragoric in the medicine cabinet. A healthy tablespoon of that and I was out for the count.

Fucking orthodontist was a sadist...

Posted by: browndog Official Dog of Christmas Past at December 07, 2022 11:26 PM (CCSxw)

333 325 The Prodigal Paratestes
Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 07, 2022 11:23 PM (EZebt)

Right, right .... ?

haha

well, as some of you may know, I'm back in nyc, dating and working and whatnot. So I guess I am the prodigal paratestes... But I will be gone again for a bit before I come back for real.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2022 11:26 PM (UuMH9)

334 polynikes Johnson is right - a big part of the "surprise" element at Pearl Harbor was that indeed it represented an audacious and unprecedented sort of operation. Very risky, and difficult.

It wasn't just a mindset regarding Japanese capabilities.

And coincidences played a big part. Pearl had been on heightened alert and been doing drills for much of the period just prior to the attack - but took a break on the day. And the familiar/true story of the radar station, the B-17s inbound from the west coast, and the lack of a solid system to make use of radar warning.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 07, 2022 11:26 PM (OTzUX)

335 The Prodigal Paratestes

🤣🤣🤣

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2022 11:28 PM (V13WU)

336 Doing okay, how about yourself?
Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 11:25 PM (xSghO)

Eh, you know, can't complain. Living life to the fullest, I guess.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2022 11:28 PM (UuMH9)

337 Update on "German coup" story from the EMT:

CoutureAndRoyals @CoutureRoyals
#BREAKING German Prince Heinrich XIII Reuss of Greiz was arrested this morning suspected of planning a coup d’état in Germany with at least 24 other people

The plan was to attack the German parliament in Berlin and insert the Prince as new head of state, King/Emperor of [German flag]

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 07, 2022 11:28 PM (Vwz3I)

338 No it was not on the very edge of our capabilities.

IIRC two or possibly three times during the 1930s when the Navy was war-gaming fleet problems American carriers did launch surprise attacks against Pearl Harbor.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 07, 2022 11:28 PM (8EJMD)

339 I am the prodigal paratestes

Almost biblical that is right there.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2022 11:28 PM (bDjBG)

340 "We are a collapsing society. Financially, intellectually, and morally. Perhaps the only hope remains in local communities, or Red districts in many parts of the country. Gotta focus locally as the American empire as a whole continues to crumble."

https://tinyurl.com/yapvkzpp

Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 11:30 PM (xSghO)

341 The plan was to attack the German parliament in Berlin and insert the Prince as new head of state, King/Emperor of [German flag]
Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 07, 2022 11:28 PM (Vwz3I)

Man, that is so whack, it's got to be a false flag.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 07, 2022 11:30 PM (tkR6S)

342 >>I bet if people were trapped in a shark infested lagoon the numbers would be closer.

As opposed to being trapped in an alley in Chicago? Or Baltimore? Or any other inner city where humans prey on humans?

Jaws was a cartoon movie. If they were the killing machines the media made they out to be nobody would ever go to the seashore on vacation.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2022 11:31 PM (ZLI7S)

343 Almost biblical that is right there.
Posted by: whig
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lol

Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 11:31 PM (xSghO)

344 Almost biblical that is right there.
Posted by: whig at December 07, 2022 11:28 PM (bDjBG)

God works in mysterious ways.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2022 11:31 PM (UuMH9)

345 In the Philippines there is a lot of finger pointing as to who was to blame.

But the fact is the B-17s were scrambled in the morning, did nothing but fly around, and then landed to refuel. And the Japanese struck then.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 07, 2022 11:31 PM (8EJMD)

346 Thanks andycanuck for the update.

Harry, I used to fantasize about moving back to ny but not any more.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 07, 2022 11:31 PM (EZebt)

347 Hello, ONTers, how goes life?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2022 11:18 PM (UuMH9)

Hey.
Long time, no post.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2022 11:31 PM (anj39)

348 That story about the Great Pyrenees is fantastic.
Who's a good boy? You're a good boy!

Posted by: GWB at December 07, 2022 11:32 PM (VM0fq)

349 So, World Cup....

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2022 11:32 PM (V13WU)

350 If we are to have repartitions we must insist it is not paid through the tax code, which in the end will just paid by future taxpayer, mostly middle class, if there are any left. No, it most be paid by seizing a percentage of everyone's wealth, maybe 20% no assets exempt. If you have no assets you must pay a minimum amount, say $100,000 to the fund over a period of years. The wine moms and college profs and teachers and govt workers and tech millionaires/billionaires want this shit? OK, lets get it on with it then.

Posted by: Ripley at December 07, 2022 11:32 PM (PTDkx)

351 Hello, ONTers, how goes life?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

Duuuuuude! Welcome back.

Posted by: Tonypete at December 07, 2022 11:32 PM (qoGsy)

352 The LGBTs want the NC sabotage to be all about them. Because everything is, right?

There are plenty of possible other motivations. Like maybe somebody mad at the power company because of their bill. Or a disgruntled employee.

Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2022 11:32 PM (pwExq)

353 NY lost JJ and gained Harry...I just don't know

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2022 11:33 PM (V13WU)

354 Real monarchy > fake democracy.

Posted by: leoncaruthers at December 07, 2022 11:34 PM (UfRqq)

355 As opposed to being trapped in an alley in Chicago? Or Baltimore? Or any other inner city where humans prey on humans?
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This^

I never felt fear swimming in the ocean in Hawai'i.
Some of my most cherished memories are of various places I spent a lot of time at.

There is no ways on God's green earth that I could ever feel that way walking the streets on southside Chicago, a place I never lived in, though I was born there.

Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 11:34 PM (xSghO)

356 So the Prince was a putsch?

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 07, 2022 11:34 PM (8EJMD)

357 Harry, I used to fantasize about moving back to ny but not any more.
Posted by: San Franpsycho at December 07, 2022 11:31 PM (EZebt)

It's alright. Comedy clubs, bars, night life, dating -- all great.

But yeah, there is the nonsense you see in the news. Crazy homeless people and whatnot.

BUT, that said -- being a straight guy who is not a pussy in this city? idk, I'm definitely scoring outside my league.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2022 11:35 PM (UuMH9)

358 Real monarchy > fake democracy.
Posted by: leoncaruthers at December 07, 2022 11:34 PM (UfRqq)

Real monarchy has never been tried.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 07, 2022 11:35 PM (xhaym)

359 Hey.
Long time, no post.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2022 11:31 PM (anj39)

I know, I know. Been busy! but like I said, I read the blog daily.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2022 11:35 PM (UuMH9)

360 Man, that is so whack, it's got to be a false flag.
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Certainly a distraction from, say, the Eritrean who murdered two young teen girls last week.

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 07, 2022 11:35 PM (Vwz3I)

361 That story about the Great Pyrenees is fantastic.
Who's a good boy? You're a good boy!
Posted by: GWB
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My granddaughters have eight dogs, including a Great Pyrenees they got from their great uncle in GA four years ago.

Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 11:36 PM (xSghO)

362 Or freezing to death this winter in Germany

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 07, 2022 11:36 PM (8EJMD)

363 So the Prince was a putsch?

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Prince is ..Kaput....

Posted by: runner at December 07, 2022 11:36 PM (V13WU)

364 IIRC two or possibly three times during the 1930s when the Navy was war-gaming fleet problems American carriers did launch surprise attacks against Pearl Harbor.
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 07, 2022 11:28 PM (8EJMD)

War games close to Pearl much different logistics than Japan launching an attack from across the Pacific. And also then why was it so difficult for us to do the same with the Doolittle raid?

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2022 11:37 PM (0om5x)

365 The LGBTs want the NC sabotage to be all about them. Because everything is, right?
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*?*

What in the hell is the rationalization for thinking that?

Posted by: The Fatted Calf at December 07, 2022 11:37 PM (mKF7G)

366 Long ago I once, well, briefly cavorted with a woman whose first marriage, to German royalty of some sort, had given her the term of address "your serene highness". Had fun with that. She was actually pretty easy-going, though.

And when viewed seriously, a "plot" to "take over" Germany by a royal, in 2022, is no more absurd than "Russian collusion" by Trump or any of his camp, or the idiocy of deeming a brief riot involving a guy with face paint and a Viking hat an "insurrection".

Posted by: rhomboid at December 07, 2022 11:37 PM (OTzUX)

367 Duuuuuude! Welcome back.
Posted by: Tonypete at December 07, 2022 11:32 PM (qoGsy)

Thanks! Just checking in.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2022 11:37 PM (UuMH9)

368 Ooops

/Fatted Calf

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 07, 2022 11:37 PM (mKF7G)

369 341 The plan was to attack the German parliament in Berlin and insert the Prince as new head of state, King/Emperor of [German flag]

Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 07, 2022 11:28 PM (Vwz3I)

Man, that is so whack, it's got to be a false flag.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 07, 2022 11:30 PM

Does the German Parliament still meet in the Reichstag Building?

I guess they thought a fire would be TOO obvious.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 07, 2022 11:38 PM (HlyYF)

370 341

Or is it a tale meant to warn those around the globe about messing with the Deep State?

Posted by: Nightwatch at December 07, 2022 11:38 PM (J00IM)

371 I know, I know. Been busy! but like I said, I read the blog daily.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2022 11:35 PM (UuMH9)

Good to hear.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2022 11:38 PM (anj39)

372 The Prodigal Paratestes

🤣🤣🤣
Posted by: runner

At least they came back!

Posted by: mikeski at December 07, 2022 11:39 PM (P1f+c)

373 I kid, but if the "prince" wants to stop the immigration tsunami the current German government is bringing in, I'd at least subscribe to his newsletter.

Posted by: leoncaruthers at December 07, 2022 11:39 PM (UfRqq)

374 Glad to hear your operational results are proving satisfactory, Harry. You dawg you.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 07, 2022 11:39 PM (OTzUX)

375 Good to hear.
Posted by: Diogenes at December 07, 2022 11:38 PM (anj39)

Subway ride to work I listen to Tim Dillon or the Boyscast, ride home I read ace.

Got it down to a science!

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2022 11:39 PM (UuMH9)

376 Hans Hoppe (and Mencius Moldbug for that matter) have claimed that a monarchy is the only way to guarantee a government that is interested in the future instead of asset stripping for the nomenklatura's families.
And all I can say is that Maduro and Diaz-Canal are the closest things to Kings possible in the New World, and that hasn't panned out very well

Posted by: Kindltot at December 07, 2022 11:40 PM (xhaym)

377 What in the hell is the rationalization for thinking that?
Posted by: The Fatted Calf
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Anything to crack down on yucky Christian "terrorists" who are willing to crash the grid because...drag queens really tee Christians off, or something...

Right now, they're throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.

Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 11:40 PM (xSghO)

378 And let us not forget Admiral James O. Richardson.

Wikipedia:

As commander in chief of the United States Fleet (CinCUS), Richardson protested the redeployment of the Pacific portion of the fleet to Pearl Harbor. He believed that a forward defense was neither practical nor useful, and that the Pacific Fleet would be a logical first target in the event of war with Japan. He was relieved of command in February 1941.

...

Richardson twice traveled to Washington to meet with Roosevelt to discuss the issue. He followed that up with an official letter to the Chief of Naval Operations (CNO), Admiral Harold R. Stark, pointing out his own firm conviction that neither the Navy nor the country was prepared for war with Japan.

His career was ended for the high crime of being right.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 07, 2022 11:40 PM (KCOCK)

379 I bet if people were trapped in a shark infested lagoon the numbers would be closer.
Posted by: polynikes

What about professional courtesy?

Posted by: SFGoth at December 07, 2022 11:41 PM (KAi1n)

380 What in the hell is the rationalization for thinking that?
Posted by: The Fatted Calf at December 07, 2022 11:37 PM (mKF7G)

First, there was a "family friendly" drag show in Southern Pines and the power outage occurred during the show.

A lady who is kind of a MAGA celebrity posted on FB that she knew why the outage happened. Now, turns out what she knew was that it was God's punishment to the area, related to that drag show.

So the LgbtWTFBBQ are convinced that the Jesusland Reichwingers with their AR14s did this to ensure that old people were scared and couldn't get medical care.

Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2022 11:41 PM (pwExq)

381 On the American side, it was a lack of an open mind you could say. Both the US and Japan had fleet trains to support the carriers.

Plus Operation Hawaii was a huge gamble. This was not SOP. Many in the Imperial Japanese Navy opposed the attack because the risk was so high.

This is playing in the back of Nagumo's mind as the second wave is reporting the American defenses are fully alerted now. So he chooses not to risk his planes or ships for a third wave that would have wrecked the oil farms and docks.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 07, 2022 11:42 PM (8EJMD)

382 The plan was to attack the German parliament in Berlin and insert the Prince as new head of state, King/Emperor of [German flag]
Posted by: andycanuck

Right. Somehow I doubt that kind of stuff works in a modern, industrial (so far) country.

Posted by: SFGoth at December 07, 2022 11:43 PM (KAi1n)

383 Surfing YooToob, likker'd up as usual, day ending in Y and all that. Why did no one tell me that the fuckin Buggles invaded Yes and OBTW made one of my fave Yes albums? I fucking hate the Buggles. The things you learn 40 years later... OK, back to Opeth.

Posted by: Drink Like Vikings at December 07, 2022 11:44 PM (ZCJo2)

384 >So nostalgic, from a time when men could have favorite foods and women were happy to cook them for them.
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Hub gets this.
Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 11:12 PM (xSghO)

When I met my wife, she didn't know a thing about cooking. I did all of it. She has slowly picked up some skills, but lately has been making me basic but hearty and tasty dinners since I've been really busy with quite a bit of physical labor.

Cooking simple, good food for your family is an amazing act of love. 👍

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at December 07, 2022 11:45 PM (0D0Oa)

385 374 Glad to hear your operational results are proving satisfactory, Harry. You dawg you.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 07, 2022 11:39 PM (OTzUX)

I am cavorting with the enemy. But oddly enough, they find me hilarious when I make my Trump "jokes" and whatnot. Who knows?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2022 11:45 PM (UuMH9)

386 Good point, ARC. Much of Richardson's objection to moving the fleet from San Diego to Pearl was, IIRC, that the support and morale (families) issues would be considerable. Pearl was not nearly as developed as west coast bases.

On Sunday at a thing down at the harbor had another opportunity to point out the concrete mooring stations still lining the north side of North Island - built quickly after Pearl Harbor so that capital ships could be much closer to the harbor mouth if a quick exit were needed. But while audacity was the name of the game to attack Pearl, a large attack on the west coast was never seriously considered.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 07, 2022 11:45 PM (OTzUX)

387 >>His career was ended for the high crime of being right.

What rarely gets asked is why did Japan attack Pearl Harbor?

Those who forget history are destined to repeat it.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2022 11:46 PM (ZLI7S)

388 a large attack on the west coast was never seriously considered.
Posted by: rhomboid
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The logistics of that is mind-boggling.

Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 11:47 PM (caeS3)

389 I am cavorting with the enemy. But oddly enough, they find me hilarious when I make my Trump "jokes" and whatnot. Who knows?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2022 11:45 PM (UuMH9)

I don't know how people can do that. It's like declaring you're Canadian when traveling in Europe. To each his own.

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2022 11:48 PM (0om5x)

390 Fucking orthodontist was a sadist...

Posted by: browndog Official Dog of Christmas Past at December 07, 2022 11:26 PM (CCSxw)

I have some dentist's tails I might recount if the subject arises again some day. Had one save my life and I chased two out of a field hospital tent long ago.

Posted by: Javems at December 07, 2022 11:48 PM (AmoqO)

391 The Doolittle Raid was high risk for everyone.

Nimitz was committing one of his most veteran carriers, Enterprise, to go with the greenest, Hornet to get within 600 miles of Japan. This was 50% of his active carrier fleet with Saratoga getting a torpedo removed and a major refit.

Both task forces had an fleet oiler. At a certain point, the oilers and destroyers were left behind so the carriers and cruisers would make the dash and launch the 16 B-25B Mitchell bombers.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 07, 2022 11:48 PM (8EJMD)

392 anyways, ont people, I must retired to sleep. Good catching up! I'll try to check in more often.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at December 07, 2022 11:48 PM (UuMH9)

393 What rarely gets asked is why did Japan attack Pearl Harbor?

Posted by: JackStraw

To get to the other side?
Because it was there?
Because that's where the money was!

Posted by: SFGoth at December 07, 2022 11:48 PM (KAi1n)

394 Still Wednesday? Hi Horde.

Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at December 07, 2022 11:49 PM (a4EWo)

395 But while audacity was the name of the game to attack Pearl, a large attack on the west coast was never seriously considered.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 07, 2022 11:45 PM (OTzUX)

I was writing up a campaign once that positied the IJN taking and holding the mouth of the Columbia and moving inland to destroy the Kaiser shipyards at Portland, instead of invading the Aleutians.

Posted by: Kindltot at December 07, 2022 11:49 PM (xhaym)

396 Nimitz was committing one of his most veteran carriers, Enterprise, to go with the greenest, Hornet to get within 600 miles of Japan. This was 50% of his active carrier fleet with Saratoga getting a torpedo removed and a major refit.

Both task forces had an fleet oiler. At a certain point, the oilers and destroyers were left behind so the carriers and cruisers would make the dash and launch the 16 B-25B Mitchell bombers.
Posted by: Anna Puma
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Now imagine the logistics of Japan trying to pull off an attack on the continental US.

Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 11:49 PM (caeS3)

397 His career was ended for the high crime of being right.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 07, 2022 11:40 PM

So the government was just as feckless in 1941 as it is now.

Good thing the Democrats are working so hard to make it worse!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 07, 2022 11:49 PM (HlyYF)

398 "It's like declaring you're Canadian when traveling in Europe."

Funny. I like that. And a decent analogy.

But when I was Harry's age I did the same, when required. No worse than the poker face and playing along required with many of the people I dealt with. But, well, with different "benefits".

Posted by: rhomboid at December 07, 2022 11:50 PM (OTzUX)

399 Heya DDS. : )

Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 11:50 PM (caeS3)

400 War games close to Pearl much different logistics than Japan launching an attack from across the Pacific. And also then why was it so difficult for us to do the same with the Doolittle raid?
Posted by: polynikes

Anna can discuss more about this but
Flying land based aircraft like the B25 required to reach Japan required intensive training in order to pull of what was essentially a reprisal raid. It also required coordination between the Navy and Army which until the war viewed each other as adversaries for scarce bucks to build forces out.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2022 11:50 PM (bDjBG)

401 Except for the I-boat shelling Santa Barbra trying to hit an oil refinery, nope no attacks on the continental United States.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 07, 2022 11:50 PM (8EJMD)

402 What if the Japs had tipped over Guam? The tsunami would be devastating.

Posted by: SFGoth at December 07, 2022 11:50 PM (KAi1n)

403 lol SFGoth

Posted by: SMH at December 07, 2022 11:51 PM (caeS3)

404 "It's like declaring you're Canadian when traveling in Europe."

They accept San Francisco too. Then they're amazed when it turns out I actually live in the city limits.

Posted by: SFGoth at December 07, 2022 11:51 PM (KAi1n)

405 Listened to Levin for years, but turned him off for good during his monologue on January 7, 2021 while he was ripping the Capital protesters.

Posted by: Flatville Bill at December 07, 2022 11:51 PM (uMGpS)

406 I was writing up a campaign once that positied the IJN taking and holding the mouth of the Columbia and moving inland to destroy the Kaiser shipyards at Portland, instead of invading the Aleutians.

In 1942, the Army was training civilians in the coastal counties of Oregon to act as stay-behind guerrillas in the event of a Japanese invasion.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 07, 2022 11:51 PM (KCOCK)

407 To get to the other side?
Because it was there?
Because that's where the money was!
Posted by: SFGoth
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A yen for war.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 07, 2022 11:52 PM (tf17a)

408 Ol' Yeller Levin screeched endlessly about the horrors of the TPP treaty. 5000 pages, nobody read. He was so horrified that he supported Cruz into the Convention even Cruz voted for TPP before he voted against it. Trump becomes President and withdraws from the treaty as one of his first acts.

Listen to Ol' Yeller show that day. Nothing in the first hour. In the second hour, he dismissively acknowledges the withdraw for about 10 seconds.

Levin turned into a piece of crap after about 2010. Maybe he felt used for all the rallies he conducted opposing O-care, and decided to cash in instead.

Posted by: Scoob at December 07, 2022 11:52 PM (7rlWo)

409 I am cavorting with the enemy. But oddly enough, they find me hilarious when I make my Trump "jokes" and whatnot. Who knows?
Posted by: Harry Paratestes

Stay safe there, NYC is going back to the seventies with crime rates except with the added bonus of the mayor and governor openly siding with the criminals.

Posted by: whig at December 07, 2022 11:52 PM (bDjBG)

410 Anna I forget details but besides the shelling of the Elwood oil pier west of SB there were 3 more attacks on the west coast. A firebombing aircraft launched from a sub hit southern Oregon, another sub bombarded a facility near Astoria, and another did the same at Vancouver Island or thereabouts.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 07, 2022 11:53 PM (OTzUX)

411 Except for the I-boat shelling Santa Barbra trying to hit an oil refinery, nope no attacks on the continental United States.

An airplane from a sub tried to bomb Brookings, Oregon, and several people were killed by the high-altitude explosive balloons that the Japanese sent across the Pacific in the later stages of the war. (The balloons did start some forest fires.)

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 07, 2022 11:53 PM (KCOCK)

412 401

You forget...On September 9, 1942, a Japanese floatplane launched from a submarine offshore, drops incendiary bombs on an Oregon state forest, blowing up a mining storage shack.

Just saying...

Posted by: Nightwatch at December 07, 2022 11:55 PM (J00IM)

413 Rep. Andy Biggs Calls Mark Levin The “Biggest Fraud In Politics” For Supporting McCarthy

That's a little excessive.

But he's on the list.

He's a chicken-hawk, too.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 07, 2022 11:55 PM (G5eFy)

414 When I was in Europe I used to tell the Italians I was Canadian - "Mi dispiace, no parle Italiano, sono Canadien" - not because I was embarassed to be American but because I wanted the Italians to blame Canada.

Posted by: blaster at December 07, 2022 11:56 PM (pwExq)

415 401 Except for the I-boat shelling Santa Barbra trying to hit an oil refinery, nope no attacks on the continental United States.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 07, 2022 11:50 PM

Actually the Fu-Go incendiary balloons also reached the continental U.S. and managed to kill 6 people.

Good thing the "environmentalists" weren't in charge of the forests back then. The whole West Coast probably would have burned in a single fire.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 07, 2022 11:57 PM (HlyYF)

416 Q "How does Zappa write down something as weird and complex as "Inca Road" so that the musicians can perform it?"
A With a pencil and manuscript paper.
Q "Or is it all a jam?"
A Only some of it.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 07, 2022 11:57 PM (jTmQV)

417 Just pulled out my boyhood copy of 'Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo'. Ironically, prompted by Mr. Miklos, I just finished re-reading 'Johny Tremain'. I don't suppose adolescents read such today, because, 'irrelevant'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 07, 2022 11:57 PM (tf17a)

418 >>To get to the other side?
Because it was there?
Because that's where the money was!

We are perilously close to WWIII right now over a war between Ukraine and Russia.

Do you think 90% of the American public even knows the real reason we are even funding this war while they are waving their Ukraine emojis and paying double for their food and fuel?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2022 11:58 PM (ZLI7S)

419 another sub bombarded a facility near Astoria, and another did the same at Vancouver Island or thereabouts.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 07, 2022 11:53 PM (OTzUX)

IIRC, Estevan Point lighthouse on Vancouver island was shelled by a Japanese sub, with little damage resulting.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 07, 2022 11:58 PM (tkR6S)

420 Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 07, 2022 11:53 PM (KCOCK)

Scary thing is Japan was close to launching a biological attack with those balloons. I think bubonic infected fleas IIRC.

Posted by: polynikes at December 07, 2022 11:59 PM (0om5x)

421 I believe the pilot of that Japanese sub-launched plane that bombed southern OR attended the dedication of the monument to the event, in that state park, during the 90s.

One of those cool post-WWII stories.

Speaking of which, am I imagining that a movie is being made from the incredible story of the American bomber pilot and the German fighter pilot in the book "A Higher Call"?

Posted by: rhomboid at December 07, 2022 11:59 PM (OTzUX)

422 Status of American carriers April 1942

Ranger and Wasp are in the Atlantic.
Langley has been sunk off Java trying to deliver crated up P-40s.
Lexington and Yorktown are in the South Pacific.
Saratoga is in the body and fender shop.
Hornet has just been transferred from the Atlantic to the Pacific with a stop over in California to pick up 16 Army bombers.
Enterprise is assigned to escort Hornet because the carrier can not launch any of its own planes with the B-25s covering the flight deck.

By November 1942, of all the active carriers named; only three would still be above the waves.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 08, 2022 12:00 AM (8EJMD)

423 Actually the Fu-Go incendiary balloons also reached the continental U.S. and managed to kill 6 people.
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Just finished reading a narrative in' 'Japan at War' by one of the balloon-makers. Very interesting book.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 08, 2022 12:00 AM (tf17a)

424 We are perilously close to WWIII right now over a war between Ukraine and Russia.

Do you think 90% of the American public even knows the real reason we are even funding this war while they are waving their Ukraine emojis and paying double for their food and fuel?
Posted by: JackStraw
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I agree with the first statement but unsure what you consider the real reason other than DC graft machine needed another war after the Afghanistan withdrawal.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 12:00 AM (bDjBG)

425 German subs used to patrol within sight of shore in Florida in WWII

Posted by: blaster at December 08, 2022 12:01 AM (pwExq)

426 Scary thing is Japan was close to launching a biological attack with those balloons. I think bubonic infected fleas IIRC.
Posted by: polynikes

Nobody told them we've got plague-carrying prairie dogs all over the Midwest?

Posted by: mikeski at December 08, 2022 12:02 AM (P1f+c)

427 Incredibly some of those late war Japanese fire balloons made halfway across the US to Michigan.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 08, 2022 12:02 AM (8EJMD)

428 Do you think 90% of the American public even knows the real reason we are even funding this war while they are waving their Ukraine emojis and paying double for their food and fuel?
Posted by: JackStraw
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Nope.

Which is why I pray every day, and every night.

Posted by: SMH at December 08, 2022 12:02 AM (caeS3)

429 By November 1942, of all the active carriers named; only three would still be above the waves.
Posted by: Anna Puma

FWIW, my grandfather served about the Langley and the Saratoga way before WWII happened. He recalled going to Bethpage to pickup airplanes to fly cross country back to San Diego during his service.

Looking at his cross the equator certificate as I type.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 12:03 AM (bDjBG)

430 413

ANYTHING coming out of AZ presently is the work of POS RINOS that includes the GOV. and STATE Legislator body who flopped for that bitch Hobbs.

I would be raging if Republican in THAT state.

Posted by: Nightwatch at December 08, 2022 12:03 AM (J00IM)

431 German U-boats even prowled in the Gulf of Mexico on occasion. The Type IX boats had the legs for it.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 08, 2022 12:03 AM (8EJMD)

432
The plan was to attack the German parliament in Berlin and insert the Prince as new head of state, King/Emperor of [German flag]
Posted by: andycanuck

Prince was going to party like it's 1999.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at December 08, 2022 12:03 AM (63Dwl)

433 >>I just finished re-reading 'Johny Tremain'. I don't suppose adolescents read such today, because, 'irrelevant' Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 07, 2022 11:57 PM (tf17a)

Read that during a prolonged childhood illness, quickly followed by 'Rifles For Watie.'

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 12:03 AM (Q/6pY)

434 I believe the pilot of that Japanese sub-launched plane that bombed southern OR attended the dedication of the monument to the event, in that state park, during the 90s.

The pilot, Nobuo Fujita, was an honored quest at Brookings' Azalea Festival in 1962. Fujita's 400-year-old samurai sword is still on display at the Brookings public library.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 08, 2022 12:05 AM (KCOCK)

435 Just finished reading a narrative in' 'Japan at War' by one of the balloon-makers. Very interesting book.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 08, 2022 12:00 AM

It truly was an ingenious attack.

A Japanese meteorologist discovered the jet stream in the 1920s. Somehow a scientist was in the same room with some military people and they came up with the idea?

polynikes comment about the potential for biological warfare makes the concept even more frightening.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 08, 2022 12:05 AM (HlyYF)

436 A remembrance for my daddy. He was a SeeBee at Pearl Harbor bringing up the ships after the bombing.

Posted by: AnnaS at December 08, 2022 12:06 AM (FnSbk)

437 Luckily no one told the balloon makers about Unit 731 in China.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 08, 2022 12:06 AM (8EJMD)

438 Do you think 90% of the American public even knows the real reason we are even funding this war while they are waving their Ukraine emojis and paying double for their food and fuel?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 07, 2022 11:58 PM (ZLI7S)

No. And that is somewhat comforting, hear me out.

I think Biden and the media could put forth a narrative that Putin has been contained to Eastern Ukraine and the Black Sea coast, dashing his hopes of conquering all of Europe, and declare victory.

Most Americans would believe we prevailed. That means there is a political optics off-ramp for the Biden administration.

I've seen even highly knowledgeable people that believe Putin's ambition is to "reunite the Soviet Union" or "conquer Europe".

Almost no one believes that Russia's goals are what they stated they are, because "you can't trust Putin". Meanwhile, their own government and media lie to them on the regular and meddle with the stability of dozens of countries.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at December 08, 2022 12:06 AM (G5eFy)

439 In 1942, the Army was training civilians in the coastal counties of Oregon to act as stay-behind guerrillas in the event of a Japanese invasion.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 07, 2022 11:51 PM (KCOCK)

My scout leader was a forester for Boise and mentioned once that those guys he knew were some very tough guys and would have done very well until they ran out of bullets

Also, in 1942 Southern Oregon coast range had a sub-based plane drop an incendiary, I think it landed near Mt Emily in Curry county. It was a wet year and the fire didn't do much

Posted by: Kindltot at December 08, 2022 12:06 AM (xhaym)

440 Nobody told them we've got plague-carrying prairie dogs all over the Midwest?

Posted by: mikeski at December 08, 2022 12:02 AM

True. But there are none at Weasel Acres, or at Rancher Bob's place.

Because, you know - reasons.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 08, 2022 12:07 AM (HlyYF)

441
Scary thing is Japan was close to launching a biological attack with those balloons. I think bubonic infected fleas IIRC.
Posted by: polynikes

Okunoshima, where the Japs developed their bio weapons. There is also an interview with one of the workers in 'Japan at War'.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 08, 2022 12:10 AM (Ym2uE)

442 Good stuff, ARC.

Some of the wood from the oil pier in Ellwood (now the site of a golf course, I think there's a small monument there noting the incident) was used in a restaurant, "Timbers", located east along the 101, northwest of Goleta. Closed years ago, not sure what's happened to the historic wood.

Girlfriend of long ago, her mother grew up on a ranch in the area, I remember her talking about the attack, the sheriffs came around and made sure the men had enough shotgun ammo, were manning "checkpoints" at key crossroads, and everyone was blacking out their windows at night. Of course the incident led to the "Battle of Los Angeles", and enhanced panic along the SoCal coast, a composite/reworked version of which was the premise of "1941".

Posted by: rhomboid at December 08, 2022 12:10 AM (OTzUX)

443 I just finished re-reading 'Johny Tremain'. I don't suppose adolescents read such today, because, 'irrelevant' Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 07, 2022 11:57 PM (tf17a)

Kid read it last year, but she's in a charter school associated with Hillsdale.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 08, 2022 12:11 AM (Angsy)

444 >>I agree with the first statement but unsure what you consider the real reason other than DC graft machine needed another war after the Afghanistan withdrawal.

I'm not sure what other reason you need.

Do you really think Putin doesn't know we ran a coup in Ukraine in 2014 to take down a duly elected pro-Russian government? Do you remember how close we came to a war with the Soviet Union during those days in October when the Soviets tried to put missiles in Cuba?

Ukraine is not a western liberal democracy. It is a corrupt dump where the western leader we have helped install has now banned opposition media, political parties and churches while imprisoning political opponents. Ukraine has fully embraced nazi troops and spent years killing thousands of it's own people for the crime of being pro Russia instead of western. Our media talks about none of this.

The bombing of Pearl Harbor was a heinous crime but it didn't happen out of thin air. There were many steps that led up to it that were ignored by the west and largely caused by the west. I would like that to not happen again but instead we continue to feed the war machine to the tune of over $100 billion so far.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2022 12:11 AM (ZLI7S)

445 Kid read it last year, but she's in a charter school associated with Hillsdale.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 08, 2022 12:11 AM

Nice.

I didn't know such a thing even existed!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 08, 2022 12:12 AM (HlyYF)

446 >>It was a wet year and the fire didn't do much
Posted by: Kindltot at December 08, 2022 12:06 AM (xhaym)

1945 was a wet year in Hiroshima Prefecture. The fire did much.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 12:13 AM (Q/6pY)

447 There are the remains of some gun turrets from WW II by the Ventura rivermouth, the oil fields are right behind there

Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at December 08, 2022 12:13 AM (WF/xn)

448 401 Except for the I-boat shelling Santa Barbra trying to hit an oil refinery, nope no attacks on the continental United States.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 07, 2022 11:50 PM

There were almost 500 ships sunk by German U-Boats in the Gulf of Mexico, Caribbean and off the East coast. West coast had 2 sunk by the Japanese.

Posted by: Javems at December 08, 2022 12:14 AM (AmoqO)

449 1945 was a wet year in Hiroshima Prefecture. The fire did much.
Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 12:13 AM (Q/6pY)

Yeah, but they didn't use one phosphorus incendiary bomb

Posted by: Kindltot at December 08, 2022 12:14 AM (xhaym)

450 >>Ukraine has fully embraced nazi troops and spent years killing thousands of it's own people for the crime of being pro Russia instead of western.

A citation should be ready at hand for this.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 12:15 AM (Q/6pY)

451 And now for something completely different.

From the mobile app game UtaMacross Sheryl Nome and Ranka Lee celebrating Christmas

https://youtu.be/gvGL4qlYeg4

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 08, 2022 12:16 AM (8EJMD)

452 I didn't know such a thing even existed!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 08, 2022 12:12 AM (HlyYF)

It's called the Barney Charter School Initiative.

Leftists hate it.

https://k12.hillsdale.edu/About/BCSI/

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 08, 2022 12:17 AM (Angsy)

453 Hatari, didn't know that. Is that near where the kite surfers do their thing, or down west of old downtown (the valley where the old refinery still stands)?

Unfortunately the main battery installations in San Diego have been taken over for use in the water treatment plant, and the last one down on Silver Strand was demo'd not long ago. But an observation/control bunker at Cabrillo Nat. Monument has been fully restored (even has a real sound-powered phone donated by someone - though there's no other party to call at the moment), and is open to the public occasionally. There was talk that there would be more restoration of other sites, but no action yet.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 08, 2022 12:17 AM (OTzUX)

454 448 401 Except for the I-boat shelling Santa Barbra trying to hit an oil refinery, nope no attacks on the continental United States.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 07, 2022 11:50 PM

There were almost 500 ships sunk by German U-Boats in the Gulf of Mexico, Caribbean and off the East coast. West coast had 2 sunk by the Japanese.
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IJN navy used their subs as fleet scouts, not as commerce raiders. The various I-class subs could've done some damage in that respect, but they were practically never used that way. This led to many USN ships getting torpedoed in the action zones, but the convoys steaming from the mainland and Hawaii to Australia and various Pacific islands were unmolested.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 08, 2022 12:18 AM (W+kMI)

455 I recall reading that a family having a picnic in Oregon discovered one of t he balloon bombs and it detonated , killing a couple of them. Correct?

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 08, 2022 12:19 AM (mP+mW)

456 >>From the mobile app game UtaMacross Sheryl Nome and Ranka Lee celebrating Christmas
https://youtu.be/gvGL4qlYeg4
Posted by: Anna Puma at December 08, 2022 12:16 AM (8EJMD)

It is not possible for people who watch this kind of thing to have healthy sexual relations with live, consenting adults.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 12:19 AM (Q/6pY)

457 (even has a real sound-powered phone donated by someone - though there's no other party to call at the moment), and is open to the public occasionally. There was talk that there would be more restoration of other sites, but no action yet.
Posted by: rhomboid at December 08, 2022 12:17 AM (OTzUX)

As a kid, I had a set of those sound-powered phones that my Dad found in a surplus store. They worked pretty well.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2022 12:20 AM (tkR6S)

458 When it came to submarines the IJN exhibited an inflexible view of them.

Their mission was to act as fleet scouts and to sink enemy warships. The IJN more thoroughly wedded themselves to Mahan than the Americans ever did.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 08, 2022 12:20 AM (8EJMD)

459 451 And now for something completely different.

From the mobile app game UtaMacross Sheryl Nome and Ranka Lee celebrating Christmas

https://youtu.be/gvGL4qlYeg4
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It's a Merry Macross Christmas!!

Posted by: exdem13 at December 08, 2022 12:20 AM (W+kMI)

460 And now for something completely different.

From the mobile app game UtaMacross Sheryl Nome and Ranka Lee celebrating Christmas

https://youtu.be/gvGL4qlYeg4
Posted by: Anna Puma

Is it Japanese Christmas music posting day already?

https://youtu.be/FvaL7M2JE4Y

Posted by: mikeski at December 08, 2022 12:21 AM (P1f+c)

461 Hatari, didn't know that. Is that near where the kite surfers do their thing, or down west of old downtown (the valley where the old refinery still stand"

Yeah just west of surfers point right by the water. All that was left last time I saw them was the rings of the bases with some metal track on top

Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at December 08, 2022 12:21 AM (WF/xn)

462 Ukraine has fully embraced nazi troops and spent years killing thousands of it's own people for the crime of being pro Russia instead of western.

Ukraine has a law banning Nazi and Soviet symbols.

The Ukrainian Supreme Court a couple of days ago decided that symbols associated with SS Division Galicia (which recruited in Ukraine) were not legally Nazi symbols under this law.

Because the Schutzstaffel has nothing whatsoever to do with Nazism.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at December 08, 2022 12:21 AM (KCOCK)

463 Leftists hate it.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 08, 2022 12:17 AM

They should probably put that quote right on the top of their prospective students brochures.

Only problem is that there is no way they could keep up with the demand!

(I hope your daughter enjoys her schooling there! We are still fighting the indoctrination on our youngest that is still in high school.)

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 08, 2022 12:21 AM (HlyYF)

464 >>A citation should be ready at hand for this.

If you don't know what the Azov Battalion is and don't know the history of naziism in Ukraine then do your own research. Maybe do a bit of reading on the war that the Ukrainian government was waging against its own people in the Donbas while the west was sleeping for years.

Start with Babi Yar and then work into Stepan Bandera. The Donbas massacres will become clear.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2022 12:23 AM (ZLI7S)

465 Ukraine is not a western liberal democracy. It is a corrupt dump where the western leader we have helped install has now banned opposition media, political parties and churches while imprisoning political opponents. Ukraine has fully embraced nazi troops and spent years killing thousands of it's own people for the crime of being pro Russia instead of western. Our media talks about none of this.
Posted by: JackStraw
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Ok. Personally, for me, I don't care what the Euros, Russia, and Ukraine do but I think it foolhardy to spend money we do not have on propping up a corrupt Ukraine that is partly responsible for Biden and co and the sham impeachment of Trump during a critical time in history with Covid occuring.

As far as Russia, I have about as much sympathy for Putin as he has earned which is none. I have even less for the weasel Zelensky. I feel sorry for the common people in both countries. Putin was stupid enough to put his military into a meat grinder which might well consume the world and we would be foolish to throw gasoline on the fire. Once upon a day, we used to try to quell wars rather than expand them.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 12:23 AM (bDjBG)

466 ZOD - You forget, I am a bio-mechanical cat-grrl... ^_-;

Thought you might like that Exdem13. I could have dredged up the opening scene for Nuku Nuku Phase 01...

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 08, 2022 12:24 AM (8EJMD)

467 >>If you don't know what the Azov Battalion is and don't know the history of naziism in Ukraine then do your own research. Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2022 12:23 AM (ZLI7S)

Still not a citation.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 12:24 AM (Q/6pY)

468 Oh yeah

Crunchyroll now has the Lodoss OVAs and Legend of the Heroic Knight available to watch.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 08, 2022 12:25 AM (8EJMD)

469 Only problem is that there is no way they could keep up with the demand!

(I hope your daughter enjoys her schooling there! We are still fighting the indoctrination on our youngest that is still in high school.)

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 08, 2022 12:21 AM (HlyYF)

You're right. There's about 1k enrolled, and 1k on the waiting list to get in. Plans for expansion are being discussed, but they don't have much room left on the property.

These schools are needed to combat the public schools' maleduction.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 08, 2022 12:26 AM (Angsy)

470 >>Still not a citation.

And yet still not giving a fuck what you think.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2022 12:26 AM (ZLI7S)

471 Still not a citation.
Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 12:24 AM (Q/6pY)

My grandmother had a Citation.

It was a shitty car.

Posted by: blaster at December 08, 2022 12:27 AM (pwExq)

472 These schools are needed to combat the public schools' maleduction.
Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 08, 2022 12:26 AM (Angsy)

I pronounce a malediction upon the maleductors.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2022 12:28 AM (tkR6S)

473 >>It was a shitty car.
Posted by: blaster at December 08, 2022 12:27 AM (pwExq)

I could've asked for a Citroen, and wouldn't have gotten that, either.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 12:29 AM (Q/6pY)

474 I pronounce a malediction upon the maleductors.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2022 12:28 AM (tkR6S)

Causa dicta est.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 08, 2022 12:29 AM (Angsy)

475 Zod, what would you consider to be a reliable citations source?

Posted by: Kindltot at December 08, 2022 12:29 AM (xhaym)

476 >>And yet still not giving a fuck what you think.
Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2022 12:26 AM (ZLI7S)

Still not a Citroen.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 12:30 AM (Q/6pY)

477 Zod, here is a decent summary of the Azov movement.

https://tinyurl.com/53nasj4z

and one from MSN News that is a bit more favorable to Ukraine if not the Azov Battalion.

https://tinyurl.com/3pdn3acv

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 12:30 AM (bDjBG)

478 458 When it came to submarines the IJN exhibited an inflexible view of them.

Their mission was to act as fleet scouts and to sink enemy warships. The IJN more thoroughly wedded themselves to Mahan than the Americans ever did.
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The IJN diligently did the homework, passed the test, and missed the point of the lesson Mahan was teaching. The USN used submarine warfare against Japanese shipping as well as naval targets, and (once the torps started working) strangled Japan's industrial output, supply and troop transport capability, eroding Japanese control of their far-flung Pacific empire. The decisive battle-oriented IJN could never move all the ships they wanted when they wanted after a while due to lack of vital supplies, and the now isolated islands were gradually abandoned to their fate. The decisive battle was finally fought in 1944, when the IJN could do nothing more than die bravely, leaving the home islands open to attack and invasion.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 08, 2022 12:31 AM (W+kMI)

479 This is old news (in more ways than one):
https://is.gd/WpYYVi

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at December 08, 2022 12:31 AM (llON8)

480 >>475 Zod, what would you consider to be a reliable citations source? Posted by: Kindltot at December 08, 2022 12:29 AM (xhaym)

A man whose reliability is based on the captivity of his family in Zod Imperial Zoo.

Other than that, Paul Harvey.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 12:32 AM (Q/6pY)

481 467 in Martin Gilbert s book World War II, a history he discussed the formation of some Ukrainian Nazi battalions. The reason there were not more is that the Nazis thought the Ukrainians to be as subhuman as the Russians and tended to kill them accordingly. The Ukrainians who did collaborate were hard core and virulent anti-semites who helped the waffen ss with extermination of Ukraines Jewish population.

Posted by: Smell the Glove at December 08, 2022 12:32 AM (mP+mW)

482
I could've asked for a Citroen, and wouldn't have gotten that, either.
Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 12:29 AM (Q/6pY)

What abot that gem the Cadillac Cimarron? What a shitpile

Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at December 08, 2022 12:32 AM (WF/xn)

483 460 And now for something completely different.

From the mobile app game UtaMacross Sheryl Nome and Ranka Lee celebrating Christmas

https://youtu.be/gvGL4qlYeg4
Posted by: Anna Puma

Is it Japanese Christmas music posting day already?

https://youtu.be/FvaL7M2JE4Y
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Nice!

Posted by: exdem13 at December 08, 2022 12:32 AM (W+kMI)

484 I'm as familiar with the Azov Battalion as I am with the absurd claims that Lt. Calley was the exemplar of American soldiers in Vietnam. One example does not a case make.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 12:34 AM (Q/6pY)

485 >>What abot that gem the Cadillac Cimarron? What a shitpile Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at December 08, 2022 12:32 AM (WF/xn)

Chevy Chevette.

Had one as a kid. And, mirabile dictu, the damn car ran for years until it didn't.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 12:37 AM (Q/6pY)

486 *looks askance*

Russian version of "konya wa hurricane"? Nani?

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 08, 2022 12:37 AM (8EJMD)

487 468 Oh yeah

Crunchyroll now has the Lodoss OVAs and Legend of the Heroic Knight available to watch.
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That's a relief, and it'd be good to watch again since my VHS tapes are older than this website. Also thanks for the Macross video, which is getting passed on to a friend of mine who is a massive Macross fanboy.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 08, 2022 12:37 AM (W+kMI)

488 You're right. There's about 1k enrolled, and 1k on the waiting list to get in. Plans for expansion are being discussed, but they don't have much room left on the property.

These schools are needed to combat the public schools' maleduction.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 08, 2022 12:26 AM

I assume you are just paying 100% of the tuition out of pocket?

If Red state politicians REALLY wanted to win the culture war and gain political power - they would create a movement in 7-8 states where the tax payer funding followed the student!

Let the charter schools blossom.

I figure most of the public schools would be abandoned in less than 10 years. The teacher's union in those states could NOT donate hundreds of millions of dollars to Democrat politicians, AND the kids would get an excellent education - not despoiled by sex ed in 2nd grade by groomers.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 08, 2022 12:38 AM (HlyYF)

489 484 Zod, that is not exactly parallel comparison between the deliberate creation of a unit like the Azov battalion and Calley basically losing control of his unit as a callow lt in battle.

More comparable would be deliberately setting up a special forces unit of black panthers or cartel types. That is what Ukraine essentially did here. They did it because of deniability when doing dirty work after the 2014 invasion of Ukraine.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 12:40 AM (bDjBG)

490
T = 05:42Z. Mars is now at the moment of opposition. It is not, however at its closest to earth because of orbital eccentricity. That happened a few days ago, Dec 1.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion (Mzdiz) at December 08, 2022 12:42 AM (Mzdiz)

491 I assume you are just paying 100% of the tuition out of pocket?

If Red state politicians REALLY wanted to win the culture war and gain political power - they would create a movement in 7-8 states where the tax payer funding followed the student!

Let the charter schools blossom.

I figure most of the public schools would be abandoned in less than 10 years. The teacher's union in those states could NOT donate hundreds of millions of dollars to Democrat politicians, AND the kids would get an excellent education - not despoiled by sex ed in 2nd grade by groomers.

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 08, 2022 12:38 AM (HlyYF)

Only by property tax, it's a tuition free public charter.

Oldest graduated from there in May with school and state honors. (The school's honors are higher)

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 08, 2022 12:43 AM (Angsy)

492 When civilization collapses, the Moron Horde has an incredible range of skills that will be invaluable in rebuilding it.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at December 07, 2022 10:38 PM (BpYfr)

I'm good with engines. I can build houses. I can put an engine in a house. We can drive houses.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 08, 2022 12:43 AM (VwHCD)

493 Japanese anime Xmas song from Toradora.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_84PN5lI2x0

Posted by: exdem13 at December 08, 2022 12:43 AM (W+kMI)

494
Had one as a kid. And, mirabile dictu, the damn car ran for years until it didn't

My friend had a Chevette diesel, 0-60 in ten minutes

Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at December 08, 2022 12:44 AM (WF/xn)

495 I'm good with engines. I can build houses. I can put an engine in a house. We can drive houses.
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 08, 2022 12:43 AM (VwHCD)

Imma say that there are worse ideas.

Posted by: blaster at December 08, 2022 12:45 AM (pwExq)

496 >>Zod, here is a decent summary of the Azov movement.

It goes much deeper than that. The nazi aligned groups in Ukraine date back to WWII and have never been fully cleansed. That's why Stepan Bandera was recently made a hero of Ukraine and his portrait hung on the walls of many eastern Ukrainian politicians until it became politically untenable.

Those who don't know this are ignorant of what has been going on in the country, why Putin talked about ridding the country of nazi elements and why there was an undeclared war in western Ukraine waged by the Ukrainian government that took the lives of roughly 15,000 men, women and children prior to the current war. It's possible to know that Putin is a thug and we are not much better.

And this is why almost nobody talks about what led up to the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Better to just mindlessly repeat the media narrative and send more other off to die than learn what causes the conflicts and learn the truth for yourself.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2022 12:45 AM (ZLI7S)

497 Chevy Chevette.

Had one as a kid. And, mirabile dictu, the damn car ran for years until it didn't.

That's when you throw away the 4 banger, weld in subframing and drop in the 454. May need some other, minor, alterations to the car make the new motor fit.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at December 08, 2022 12:45 AM (Bd6X8)

498 BSD,

Please make those 4 wheeled houses instead of two wheels for us folks with bad balance. I would hate to lay a house over on its side when the road is slick.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 12:45 AM (bDjBG)

499 Only by property tax, it's a tuition free public charter.

Oldest graduated from there in May with school and state honors. (The school's honors are higher)

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 08, 2022 12:43 AM

That is just awesome for your family.

On the public charter, AND on the oldest doing so well!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 08, 2022 12:45 AM (HlyYF)

500 mirabile dictu, to u tu

Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at December 08, 2022 12:46 AM (WF/xn)

501 486 *looks askance*

Russian version of "konya wa hurricane"? Nani?
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NAH-NEEE??
*listens*
It's....not bad....

Posted by: exdem13 at December 08, 2022 12:46 AM (W+kMI)

502 >>More comparable would be deliberately setting up a special forces unit of black panthers or cartel types.
Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 12:40 AM (bDjBG)

Won't split hairs here; your point is taken. But characterizing one unit as "the history of naziism in Ukraine" and implied as the motive force in that nation's military is as predictably uninformed, dull, and overcaffeinated as I've found from the claimant.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 12:47 AM (Q/6pY)

503 BSD,

Please make those 4 wheeled houses instead of two wheels for us folks with bad balance. I would hate to lay a house over on its side when the road is slick.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 12:45 AM (bDjBG)

Well I wasn't actually thinking big block mopar in a canter hall colonial. I'm thinking Immortal Engines type shit. lol

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 08, 2022 12:47 AM (VwHCD)

504 *looks askance*
Russian version of "konya wa hurricane"? Nani?
Posted by: Anna Puma

NAH-NEEE??
*listens*
It's....not bad....
Posted by: exdem13

I would have expected it to be a cover by Origa.....her being the only Russian I know in j-pop.

Posted by: mikeski at December 08, 2022 12:48 AM (P1f+c)

505 Exdem13, time to get the DVDs then. Hopefully Crystania has been consigned to the Dust bin of Lost Media.

Macross? De Kulture! Mari Iijima was at Anime Expo 2022. She is always fun to experience.

Hope they get a kick out it. There are a lot of UtaMacross videos on YouTube. Apparently each singer can have up to 70 costumes and they unlock at different levels. But the company stopped the game in June of this year.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 08, 2022 12:48 AM (8EJMD)

506 >>> Do you think 90% of the American public even knows the real reason we are even funding this war while they are waving their Ukraine emojis and paying double for their food and fuel?
Posted by: JackStraw
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It's part of China's plan to starve the world and secondarily to destabilize Russia.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 08, 2022 12:48 AM (AfYvi)

507 471 Still not a citation.
Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 12:24 AM (Q/6pY)

My grandmother had a Citation.

It was a shitty car.
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IIRC "citation" was a fitting name for the car, which was a committee designed product which made the Chevette look better in all respects.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 08, 2022 12:49 AM (W+kMI)

508 If Red state politicians REALLY wanted to win the culture war and gain political power - they would create a movement in 7-8 states where the tax payer funding followed the student!

Let the charter schools blossom.

I figure most of the public schools would be abandoned in less than 10 years. The teacher's union in those states could NOT donate hundreds of millions of dollars to Democrat politicians, AND the kids would get an excellent education - not despoiled by sex ed in 2nd grade by groomers.
Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 08, 2022 12:38 AM (HlyYF)

What you describe is commonly called a "voucher system", and yes, it would be very useful.

One easy way to implement it would be to allow parents to claim tuition at accredited private schools as a property tax credit.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2022 12:49 AM (tkR6S)

509 >>That's when you throw away the 4 banger, weld in subframing and drop in the 454. May need some other, minor, alterations to the car make the new motor fit. Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at December 08, 2022 12:45 AM (Bd6X

Head out on the highwayyy...

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 12:49 AM (Q/6pY)

510 Well I wasn't actually thinking big block mopar in a canter hall colonial. I'm thinking Immortal Engines type shit. lol

Twin Merlins

Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at December 08, 2022 12:49 AM (WF/xn)

511 The Hotel San Luis here in Galveston sits atop a pair of WWII Twelve-Inch Naval Rifle emplacement bunkers.

Massive concrete edifices, and the complete bunker complexes are still the "bedrock" which the hotel stands upon. One of the gun casements is still fully viewable from Seawall Blvd.

Average depth of the Gulf of Mexico, from the beach to the horizon? Maybe sixty feet. And that's at the very edge of the horizon. Mostly twenty to forty feet deep, even as far as four miles out. I don't think any U-boat skippers found Happy Times the mouth of Galveston Bay. Fifty miles out, the depth is about 120 ft. And that's still not a lot of water under a submerged boat's keel.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 08, 2022 12:49 AM (e6UQI)

512 That's when you throw away the 4 banger, weld in subframing and drop in the 454. May need some other, minor, alterations to the car make the new motor fit.
Posted by: Blanco Basura00
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Apparently, the 2.8L Chevy V6 was something of a bolt-in. Some number in that configuration were road-raced.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 08, 2022 12:50 AM (+M3be)

513 505 Exdem13, time to get the DVDs then. Hopefully Crystania has been consigned to the Dust bin of Lost Media.

Macross? De Kulture! Mari Iijima was at Anime Expo 2022. She is always fun to experience.

Hope they get a kick out it. There are a lot of UtaMacross videos on YouTube. Apparently each singer can have up to 70 costumes and they unlock at different levels. But the company stopped the game in June of this year.
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If I know my friend he'll hunt them all down this week now. Or he'll send me a list of his favorites!

Posted by: exdem13 at December 08, 2022 12:51 AM (W+kMI)

514 And this is why almost nobody talks about what led up to the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Better to just mindlessly repeat the media narrative and send more other off to die than learn what causes the conflicts and learn the truth for yourself.
Posted by: JackStraw

If you got back that far, you have to also fairly include what the ethnic Russians did to the Ukrainian kulaks which created a lot of emnity. The Holomodor killed anywhere between 3.5 million to 10 million Ukrainians by deliberate Soviet policy and enforced by a mainly Russian NKVD and military. The Russians cannot escape blame for the Holomodor and two invasion is not exactly something causing warm feelings toward Russia.

Go back far enough, you can find a lot of reason that people hate each other as a group enough to kill each other if able. Eventually you end up somewhere like the Balkans and Middle East.

Good reason to have no permanent allies nor permanent enemies but only the interest of the whole US population not just those people interested in an area for their own reasons.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 12:51 AM (bDjBG)

515 Not sure many cars can top the AMC pacer

Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at December 08, 2022 12:51 AM (WF/xn)

516 Looks like changing the DNS server in my router didn't do any good. Just had a spell of not being able to get to any website. Guess a call to the ISP is in the cards tomorrow morning.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2022 12:52 AM (tkR6S)

517 Not sure many cars can top the AMC pacer
Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway

American ones, no.

Posted by: Tata, Lada, etc. at December 08, 2022 12:52 AM (P1f+c)

518 Alas Origa has already shuffled off this mortal coil.

And ToraDora is cute

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 08, 2022 12:53 AM (8EJMD)

519 Not sure many cars can top the AMC pacer

It's rounded shape makes larger cars tend to fall off, so you'd need to find something small to stack on it.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at December 08, 2022 12:53 AM (Bd6X8)

520 BSD,
Your designs are high falutin, what about a plain jane ranch motorized home. Old people have problems with the stairs.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 12:53 AM (bDjBG)

521 Merlin-engined '55 Chevy. Just the thing for a quick run to the grocery store:

https://tinyurl.com/2ov9ovxf

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 08, 2022 12:54 AM (+M3be)

522 I'm thinking Immortal Engines type shit. lol
Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 08, 2022 12:47 AM (VwHCD)

Again - there are worse ideas.

Steampunk it with walkers? This works.

Posted by: blaster at December 08, 2022 12:54 AM (pwExq)

523 Chevettes used to be very popular for ice racing in Alberta.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2022 12:54 AM (tkR6S)

524 Looks like changing the DNS server in my router didn't do any good. Just had a spell of not being able to get to any website. Guess a call to the ISP is in the cards tomorrow morning.

Good luck. They're going to tell you you need a new modem. You probably don't, but that's what they'll tell you.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at December 08, 2022 12:55 AM (Bd6X8)

525 >>AMC Pacer

No love? (bursts into flames).

Posted by: Ford Pinto at December 08, 2022 12:55 AM (Q/6pY)

526 Merlin-engined '55 Chevy. Just the thing for a quick run to the grocery store:

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Interesting graphics...

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 08, 2022 12:55 AM (rx603)

527 EU President Ursula von der Leyen Announces Review of Protected Status for All European Wolves After a Wolf Kills Her Pony
(The European Union is a stupid organisation governed by stupid people)

https://www.eugyppius.com

Posted by: Kindltot at December 08, 2022 12:55 AM (xhaym)

528 Chevettes used to be very popular for ice racing in Alberta.

Is that because they were light and maneuverable or because nobody cared if they lost one when it went though the ice?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at December 08, 2022 12:56 AM (Bd6X8)

529 Chevettes used to be very popular for ice racing in Alberta.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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Well, losing the car would be no big deal.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at December 08, 2022 12:56 AM (rx603)

530 Not sure many cars can top the AMC pacer

Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at December 08, 2022 12:51 AM (WF/xn)

Yeah that was pretty much in a league of it's own. It didnit know if it wanted to be a car or a fish tank.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at December 08, 2022 12:57 AM (VwHCD)

531 Holodomor, 1933, is a living memory as is the shipping in of ethnic Russians to dilute the population.
Love has no home there.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 08, 2022 12:58 AM (AfYvi)

532 Not sure many cars can top the AMC pacer

Gentlebeings, I give you the Pontiac Aztec

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 08, 2022 12:58 AM (8EJMD)

533 Ukrainian decided a US backed coup was okay and outlawing the Russian language wouldn't have any consequences.

Again if all I knew about this war was who the people were backing the Ukraine against an unknown enemy I'd have to default to supporting the unknown enemy.

Posted by: polynikes at December 08, 2022 12:59 AM (0om5x)

534 One easy way to implement it would be to allow parents to claim tuition at accredited private schools as a property tax credit.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2022 12:49 AM (tkR6S)

So, a unicorn.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 08, 2022 01:00 AM (Angsy)

535 The attack on Pearl Harbor had been analyzed for years before the actual attack. Dozens of "white papers" had been written, by both sides as early as 1938. The whole thing was war-gamed out in detail.
The problem was, no one believed Japan would actually do it.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 08, 2022 01:01 AM (jTmQV)

536 On the public charter, AND on the oldest doing so well!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at December 08, 2022 12:45 AM (HlyYF)

Thanks, PI.

Posted by: OrangeEnt at December 08, 2022 01:01 AM (Angsy)

537 The Ukraine is one of those countries that has the unfortunate problem of being easy to invade and really has a bifurcation of history, peoples, language, even religion between the eastern and western parts of it.

One part looks east while the other part looks west and like Byelorussia to the north, at least the eastern part of Ukraine is viewed by common Russians to be part of Mother Russia. Not much different than Taiwan except the seas are a bit better defensive barrier to invasion. Native Taiwanese have never thought of themselves as Chinese and the Chinese overlord relationship with the Island bred ill will with the natives. The Chinese on Taiwan did view themselves as part of the mainland but not of the CCP.

Once again, you can find ancient history that gives a bit of support to both groups.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 01:01 AM (bDjBG)

538 Not everyone who makes cheese is a mouth breathing idiot who arrogantly claims to be informed but some are.

From the Trump years, back when the media almost pretended to report on Ukraine. Back when both sides of Congress refused to send aid to Ukraine unless they excluded the openly nazi affiliated groups in Ukraine. They didn't magically disappear when Biden took office.

https://tinyurl.com/2vcszavu

Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2022 01:01 AM (ZLI7S)

539 Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 12:51 AM (bDjBG)

And go back further, and you will find that the Ukes and 'White' Russians came from common stock... then split... with lots of wars and crap going on between them for a few hundred years.

There are very good reasons the Hungarians look at them as just two sides of the same coin.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 08, 2022 01:01 AM (oHd/0)

540 Losing a Chevette through the ice: Chevette, n'est-ce pas?

Drowning in an iced-over lake, strapped into a Chevette, screaming helplessly because you can't release the seatbelt due to ice-racing-induced inebriation: Youtube hero's death.

Posted by: Ford Pinto at December 08, 2022 01:03 AM (Q/6pY)

541 Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2022 01:01 AM (ZLI7S)

Ukes have shut down opposition parties, media, an entire Language, and UKRAINIAN (not Russian) churches...

all in the name of protecting Democracy?

I must be missin somthinn...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 08, 2022 01:03 AM (oHd/0)

542 527 EU President Ursula von der Leyen Announces Review of Protected Status for All European Wolves After a Wolf Kills Her Pony
(The European Union is a stupid organisation governed by stupid people)

https://www.eugyppius.com
Posted by: Kindltot at December 08, 2022 12:55 AM (xhaym)

And the only way they will change their immigration policy is if HER daughter gets raped, or killed.

As long as its just the Peasants suffering... who cares... right?

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 08, 2022 01:05 AM (oHd/0)

543 531 Holodomor, 1933, is a living memory as is the shipping in of ethnic Russians to dilute the population.
Love has no home there.
Posted by: Braenyard

You are absolutely right. Complications like that make it a playground for bad things to happen. Mostly to people that do not deserve such from leaders. Isn't helped by media in both countries feeding them lies much either.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 01:05 AM (bDjBG)

544 Good luck. They're going to tell you you need a new modem. You probably don't, but that's what they'll tell you.
Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at December 08, 2022 12:55 AM (Bd6X

This is Phoenix Internet. No modem, the little black box just powers the radio. I guess I could bypass the router, and plug my Ethernet cable direct into the black box.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2022 01:06 AM (tkR6S)

545 unlocked.

Funny that "Ford Pinto" would mock the ice-borne death of a Chevette.

Still, no Citroen.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 01:06 AM (Q/6pY)

546 393 What rarely gets asked is why did Japan attack Pearl Harbor?

Posted by: JackStraw
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They knew they wouldn't survive Airwolf?

I did love "The Final Countdown" specially the Zeros vs F-14s

Posted by: Ciampino - The Final Countdown was a great story at December 08, 2022 01:08 AM (qfLjt)

547 Drowning in an iced-over lake, strapped into a Chevette, screaming helplessly because you can't release the seatbelt due to ice-racing-induced inebriation: Youtube hero's death.
Posted by: Ford Pinto at December 08, 2022 01:03 AM (Q/6pY)

I don't think they ever had any cars lost through the ice. They take care when they lay out the course to ensure sufficient ice thickness.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2022 01:08 AM (tkR6S)

548 Seems like that Merlin would do well in a power boat.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 08, 2022 01:10 AM (AfYvi)

549 >>They take care when they lay out the course to ensure sufficient ice thickness.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2022 01:08 AM (tkR6S)

But there's always that *one guy*...

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 01:10 AM (Q/6pY)

550 AOP, I hope that you are feeling much better.

Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at December 08, 2022 01:11 AM (a4EWo)

551 Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 01:12 AM (Q/6pY)

552 Japan attacked Pearl Harbor because they wanted a large Pacific area of influence. They saw the US and the Manifest Destiny as an obstacle to this.
Additionally they were being choked of resources of oil and metals by US sanctions.
I'm not excusing their actions, by any means.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 08, 2022 01:12 AM (jTmQV)

553 AOP, I hope that you are feeling much better.
Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at December 08, 2022 01:11 AM (a4EWo)

I am. Almost back to normal, save for a lingering cough. Head cold is greatly diminished.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2022 01:14 AM (tkR6S)

554 Exdem13

See if your friend has this Macross book. It came out last year and even has Macross II:Lovers Again.

https://tinyurl.com/539v3342

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 08, 2022 01:15 AM (8EJMD)

555 530 Not sure many cars can top the AMC pacer

Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at December 08, 2022 12:51 AM (WF/xn)
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Not top it but from the same stable -- TaRa! The AMC Gremlin.

Posted by: Ciampino -- The Final Countdown was a great story at December 08, 2022 01:15 AM (qfLjt)

556 High school friend died because, new on the market, seat belt she couldn't unclasp as the car burned.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 08, 2022 01:15 AM (AfYvi)

557 Additionally they were being choked of resources of oil and metals by US sanctions.
I'm not excusing their actions, by any means.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 08, 2022 01:12 AM (jTmQV)

Yeah, funny how Japan went to war with the US over resources... the same resources our own stupid government won't let us have HERE. /spit

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 08, 2022 01:16 AM (oHd/0)

558 Japan, on the whole, is a very resource poor nation. They have to import almost everything.
Or go out and kill it.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 08, 2022 01:20 AM (jTmQV)

559 Well, I am getting tired. Time to call it a night. Be well, Horde.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 08, 2022 01:20 AM (tkR6S)

560 496 And this is why almost nobody talks about what led up to the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Better to just mindlessly repeat the media narrative and send more other off to die than learn what causes the conflicts and learn the truth for yourself.
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I know what led up to the bombing of Pearl Harbor.
1. During the Great Depression the Japanese national government is taken over by a de jure fascist military faction that wants to fix Japanese economic woes via aggressive war. Political opponents are silenced.
2. Japan wages an aggressive war of conquest in China. Protests by the USA are brushed aside, and USS Panay is sunk.
3. The FDR administration gradually embargoes rubber, oil, and steel to Japan until the fighting stops or at least de-escalates. It does not.
4. The fascist military faction that is now running Japan decides to get around #3 above by waging an aggressive war of conquest against European colonies in Asia.
5. To prevent possible USA intervention in #4, sandbag the USN Pacific Fleet at its forward base of Pearl Harbor. (And scoop up some USA Pacific real estate too.) This will shock and awe the FDR administration and make them seek terms.
6. PROFIT!!

Posted by: exdem13 at December 08, 2022 01:21 AM (W+kMI)

561 >>552 Japan attacked Pearl Harbor because they wanted a large Pacific area of influence.

Also, they were shamed by the 1922 Washington Naval Treaty. Also, they wanted, presciently, to create a storyline for Ben Affleck to act shittily in a shitty 2001 Michael Bay film of the same name.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 01:21 AM (Q/6pY)

562 Wow.,... AD totally blocking the site.... can't scroll past.

Have to hit comment really fast before it loads to get past.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 08, 2022 01:22 AM (oHd/0)

563 >>Yeah, funny how Japan went to war with the US over resources... the same resources our own stupid government won't let us have HERE. /spit

Don't worry, some laughed about those over caffeinated who pointed out that starving people of the means to feed themselves would lead to WWII and look how well that worked out.

Someday maybe we can build some monuments to those who died because people laughed at the obvious. Again.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2022 01:24 AM (ZLI7S)

564 >>> Additionally they were being choked of resources of oil and metals by US sanctions.
I'm not excusing their actions, by any means.
Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 08, 2022 01:12 AM (jTmQV)
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Stupid Roosevelt, just like all statists, put Japan in a corner that they could not work around.

He should have been concerned about Home and not Manchuria. It could be said they had foresight into what manifested into our problems with China today.
The only answer was to eliminate him.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 08, 2022 01:24 AM (AfYvi)

565 523 Chevettes used to be very popular for ice racing in Alberta.
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No big loss if one breaks through, eh?

Posted by: exdem13 at December 08, 2022 01:25 AM (W+kMI)

566 Still no Citroen.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 01:26 AM (Q/6pY)

567 554 Exdem13

See if your friend has this Macross book. It came out last year and even has Macross II:Lovers Again.

https://tinyurl.com/539v3342
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I know he doesn't have it, because I'd have seen it when we moved him a month ago. Only $32 though, what's the page count?

Posted by: exdem13 at December 08, 2022 01:27 AM (W+kMI)

568 Still no edible cheese.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2022 01:29 AM (ZLI7S)

569 126 pages

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 08, 2022 01:29 AM (8EJMD)

570 569 126 pages
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Hmm, that might be worth it, yes. Never mind him, if I have $$ left after Xmas shopping I'll get it myself.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 08, 2022 01:33 AM (W+kMI)

571 JackStraw, Do you like blue cheese?? Just made some blue cheese spread to gift a few of the neighbors that like it. I like to spread it on bread with thinly sliced roast beef for a very tasty sandwich. If cheese was a metaphor for something else, never mind.

Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at December 08, 2022 01:33 AM (a4EWo)

572 Previously mentioned "white papers" spelled out how the attack would unfold even specifying a Sunday morning attack in the month of December.
It was a surprise attack only if you never suspected the Japanese of the temerity to do it.
Was FDR looking for a reason to join the larger war?
The US was overwhelmingly on the side of neutrality at the time.
Not so on Dec. 8 or 9.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 08, 2022 01:34 AM (jTmQV)

573 Europe has been awash with antisemits since the diaspora began . I would wager that that today, a great many of them don't shout zieg heil and wear the waffen ss pin. Throwing the nazi label around is just a convenient generalization that dilutes the sauce . Ukraine has its thugs and I would wager the Azoz battalion aren't the only ones. Russia has its thugs with the Wagner group and the Chechens. The face of war in the world we live in

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at December 08, 2022 01:34 AM (hMvna)

574 >>Stupid Roosevelt, just like all statists, put Japan in a corner that they could not work around.
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 08, 2022 01:24 AM (AfYvi)

Heir to his grandfather Warren Delano's opium-funded delusions about a westernized China...and his animosity toward Japan as a result. James Bradley's "The China Mirage" does spadework on the U.S. stance toward Japan prior to WW2.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 01:35 AM (Q/6pY)

575 I got my copy from Japan-ssdyuk on eBay. $40 plus tax, free shipping. Now the seller wants $50 for it.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 08, 2022 01:37 AM (8EJMD)

576 Still no edible cheese.
Posted by: JackStraw

As opposed to...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 08, 2022 01:45 AM (IyrhE)

577 574 >>Stupid Roosevelt, just like all statists, put Japan in a corner that they could not work around.
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 08, 2022 01:24 AM (AfYvi)

Heir to his grandfather Warren Delano's opium-funded delusions about a westernized China...and his animosity toward Japan as a result. James Bradley's "The China Mirage" does spadework on the U.S. stance toward Japan prior to WW2.
Posted by: ZOD

US foreign policy became centered on the Pacific in part because of the Spanish American War which gave the US territories there and for trade opportunities. US is essentially a trading empire like Britain was before it.

Japan-US relations were never that warm to being with due both to immigration policies, Perry forcing open Japan, and Japanese involvement in the Mexican Revolution which was overstated by Hearst chain and ironically Kaiser Wilhelm trying to make the Yellow Peril a cause in the US.

Japanese imperial policy though existed well before invading Manchuria and its reach was extended by WWI gain of German territories in the Pacific area.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 01:46 AM (bDjBG)

578 556 High school friend died because, new on the market, seat belt she couldn't unclasp as the car burned.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 08, 2022 01:15 AM (AfYvi)

Gosh. Really scary.

Posted by: m at December 08, 2022 01:48 AM (r8enq)

579 573 Europe has been awash with antisemits since the diaspora began . I would wager that that today, a great many of them don't shout zieg heil and wear the waffen ss pin. Throwing the nazi label around is just a convenient generalization that dilutes the sauce . Ukraine has its thugs and I would wager the Azoz battalion aren't the only ones. Russia has its thugs with the Wagner group and the Chechens. The face of war in the world we live in
Posted by: Sock Monkey

We have our own demons and secret political police. Churchill's Iron Curtain speech refers pretty much to the whole world now.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 01:49 AM (bDjBG)

580 >>Japanese imperial policy though existed well before invading Manchuria and its reach was extended by WWI gain of German territories in the Pacific area.
Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 01:46 AM (bDjBG)

The resentment toward Japan for not bottling up Von Spee's Eastern Squadron early in WW1--and possibly preventing the worst British naval disaster off the coast of Chile in a century--was real, if underreported (everywhere but in London, where it held headlines)

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 01:51 AM (Q/6pY)

581 Seems like that Merlin would do well in a power boat.

Merlin, lend my thy power boat. Camelot has need of it.

Posted by: King Arthur at December 08, 2022 01:54 AM (KFhLj)

582

Posted by: King Arthur at December 08, 2022 01:54 AM (KFhLj)

583 Braenyard, That is horrible, I have nightmares about stuff like that.

Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at December 08, 2022 01:55 AM (a4EWo)

584 The resentment toward Japan for not bottling up Von Spee's Eastern Squadron early in WW1--and possibly preventing the worst British naval disaster off the coast of Chile in a century--was real, if underreported (everywhere but in London, where it held headlines)
Posted by: ZOD

I vaguely remember some early British naval disasters described but did not remember where and when. Thanks for more specifics.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 01:55 AM (bDjBG)

585 ZOD-Japan relations aren't that warm to begin with.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 01:55 AM (Q/6pY)

586 US Elections are like the WWE (with thanfully no spandex.).

Posted by: 3 Angry Irish Inches at December 08, 2022 01:55 AM (H2Hko)

587 So nostalgic, from a time when men could have favorite foods and women were happy to cook them for them.
Posted by: sal: tolle adversarium et afflige inimicum at December 07, 2022 11:08

My sweet Jules, who has been a chef in our past lives, loves to make us a delicious meal. It's not just the joy she gets out of eating the meal, but she really gets off on how much I enjoy her food.

I think I have a pretty good deal going on here after over 40 yrs.

Remember the commercial...my wife, I think I'll keep her? What was that for, you couldn't run that today?

Posted by: Farmer at December 08, 2022 01:55 AM (55Qr6)

588 578 556 High school friend died because, new on the market, seat belt she couldn't unclasp as the car burned.

Posted by: Braenyard

Truly horrific story. Usually when something is redesigned, it is more a nuisance, occasionally though unseen disasters occur often in the name of safety.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 01:57 AM (bDjBG)

589 The battle was off Coronel, Chile--Spee's command was soon after wiped out off the Falklands by a British squadron coaling there.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 01:57 AM (Q/6pY)

590 Not top it but from the same stable -- TaRa! The AMC Gremlin.
Posted by: Ciampino -- The Final Countdown was a great story at December 08, 2022 01:15 AM (qfLjt)

"Where's the rest of yer car, lady?"

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at December 08, 2022 01:58 AM (LOVUx)

591 Gosh. Really scary.
Posted by: m
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Both passengers were thrown out of the back seat (luckily). The driver, on fire, got out, rolled and went into the passenger door, he managed to get her out.

She lived three days. He looked like a dalmation.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 08, 2022 01:58 AM (AfYvi)

592 My sweet Jules, who has been a chef in our past lives, loves to make us a delicious meal. It's not just the joy she gets out of eating the meal, but she really gets off on how much I enjoy her food.

I think I have a pretty good deal going on here after over 40 yrs.

Remember the commercial...my wife, I think I'll keep her? What was that for, you couldn't run that today?

Posted by: Farmer
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I do the cooking in the house as well as the grocery shopping. But I hate cooking for myself only and disliked it when I was single. Meals are better in company with someone even a server.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 01:59 AM (bDjBG)

593 Remember the commercial...my wife, I think I'll keep her? What was that for, you couldn't run that today?

Posted by: Farmer at December 08, 2022 01:55 AM (55Qr6)

Dh and I had a bit of a discussion this evening about women who don't think their husbands need regular servicing. For heaven's sake, literally, if you don't want a joyful husband, without sex. That's the ticket. Sure. Sure thing.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at December 08, 2022 02:00 AM (LOVUx)

594 572 It was a surprise attack only if you never suspected the Japanese of the temerity to do it.
Was FDR looking for a reason to join the larger war?
The US was overwhelmingly on the side of neutrality at the time. Not so on Dec. 8 or 9.
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The USN conducted several naval exercises involving opponents who started out as generic and increasingly became "simulated Imperial Japanese Navy". The one that seems prescient is the 1932 fleet exercise. (YouTube historian Drachinifel covers them in great detail in one of his videos. Please look it up, great stuff.) The reasons why December 7 was a big surprise anyways for a few reasons.
1. Distance. Pearl Harbor is a great distance from Japan. It was thought the IJN wouldn't risk a fleet so far from home.
2. Procedural inertia. There's a reason Yamamoto chose a Sunday morning; he knew readiness would be low.
For similar reasons it took an hour for USS Ward's attack on a submarine to be processed, just in time for the attack.
3. The White House seriously thought the Philippines would be a higher priority target.
4. Up to the morning of December 7 the US military in general was a little too confident about fighting Japan.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 08, 2022 02:00 AM (W+kMI)

595 *withhold* not without

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at December 08, 2022 02:00 AM (LOVUx)

596 584 The resentment toward Japan for not bottling up Von Spee's Eastern Squadron early in WW1--and possibly preventing the worst British naval disaster off the coast of Chile
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Didn't know Japan was a combatant in WWI.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 08, 2022 02:01 AM (AfYvi)

597 589 The battle was off Coronel, Chile--Spee's command was soon after wiped out off the Falklands by a British squadron coaling there.
Posted by: ZOD

Okay, I remember the Falkland's battle vaguely but not the battle that preceded it. WWI and the Civil War, I find depressing subjects simply because both wars were avoidable and left poisonous legacies.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 02:01 AM (bDjBG)

598 JackStraw, Do you like blue cheese?? Just made some blue cheese spread to gift a few of the neighbors that like it. I like to spread it on bread with thinly sliced roast beef for a very tasty sandwich. If cheese was a metaphor for something else, never mind.
Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz

I love blue cheese . I love cheese period. One of the reasons I got goats is to try my hand at making cheese. Hopefully the experimentation begins this coming spring. I do believe Mr. Straw was speaking metaphorically. As soon as I hit post I am going to get some cheese and crackers to satisfy the sudden urge your comment created.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at December 08, 2022 02:03 AM (hMvna)

599 >>JackStraw, Do you like blue cheese?? Just made some blue cheese spread to gift a few of the neighbors that like it. I like to spread it on bread with thinly sliced roast beef for a very tasty sandwich. If cheese was a metaphor for something else, never mind.

I like blue cheese a lot. Not a metaphor.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2022 02:05 AM (ZLI7S)

600 Didn't know Japan was a combatant in WWI.

Posted by: Braenyard

They eventually joined the Allies in order to score some German territory. Ironically, I think they provided some obsolete Arisaka rifles to both England and Russia. England used their for naval forces and Russia may have actually used them in the Northern theater for rear guard troops and the like. Think most of them were the earlier Type 30 instead of the modern Type 38 at the time but I could be misremembering the specific type.

Russia was ill equipped for WWI and was using virtually everything it had including lever actions imported from the US, old single shots, Japanese rifles, captured Austrian rifles that were dangerously rechambered for the 7.62x54r cartridge, and other such oddities. Logistics was a stone cold bitch for the Russians even for mere ammo. That being said, the Russkis were evenly matched with the Austrians but not the Germans.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 02:06 AM (bDjBG)

601 >>One of the reasons I got goats is to try my hand at making cheese. Hopefully the experimentation begins this coming spring. Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at December 08, 2022 02:03 AM (hMvna)

The semi-hard cheeses (cheddar, Leicester, Gloucester) and brined cheeses (Gouda) are fairly easy. If you can master the soft cheeses or thermophilic/molded cheeses, drop me a line--they're tricky, and I'm always game for success stories.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 02:07 AM (Q/6pY)

602 Japan joined the Entente in August 1914, shortly after the war began.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 02:08 AM (Q/6pY)

603 Jackstraw,

I was seriously curious about your stated reasons in the Ukraine and meant no disrespect to you. Some folks here damn the Russians and others damn the Ukrainians where I find the leaders odious in both countries and wish both leaders and their minions take each other out rather than make areas bleed.

Sort of like the Iran and Iraq war in the 80's. I found little to cheer about from either side and wanted the US to stay out of it at the time but of course we started sending some aid to Saddam. Failure to steer clear of it led Saddam to have a little adventure in Kuwait subsequent to the war, in part, to pay some of the war debt he incurred which he viewed as being on behalf of ungrateful Arabs elsewhere in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 02:11 AM (bDjBG)

604 579 573 Europe has been awash with antisemits since the diaspora began . I would wager that that today, a great many of them don't shout zieg heil and wear the waffen ss pin. Throwing the nazi label around is just a convenient generalization that dilutes the sauce . Ukraine has its thugs and I would wager the Azoz battalion aren't the only ones. Russia has its thugs with the Wagner group and the Chechens. The face of war in the world we live in
Posted by: Sock Monkey

We have our own demons and secret political police. Churchill's Iron Curtain speech refers pretty much to the whole world now.
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The reason Israel exists is so the Jews would always have their one guaranteed homeland, free from Anti-Semitism both genteel and coarse. When times are bad, or the elites need someone to take the blame for their greed, old hatreds are reborn.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 08, 2022 02:13 AM (W+kMI)

605 602 Japan joined the Entente in August 1914, shortly after the war began.
Posted by: ZOD

I guess I was thinking Japan joined the war a bit later for whatever reason. Probably because of Italy. Japan did little after seizing German possessions in the Pacific so that must have been why I thought they entered later. Given what you said about Spee though would make sense why London was furious about it.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 02:14 AM (bDjBG)

606 The semi-hard cheeses (cheddar, Leicester, Gloucester) and brined cheeses (Gouda) are fairly easy. If you can master the soft cheeses or thermophilic/molded cheeses, drop me a line--they're tricky, and I'm always game for success stories.
Posted by: ZOD

Does this mean I can pay my tribute in cheese?

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at December 08, 2022 02:15 AM (hMvna)

607 old hatreds are reborn.
Posted by: exdem13

They never died.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at December 08, 2022 02:17 AM (hMvna)

608 >>Japan did little after seizing German possessions in the Pacific so that must have been why I thought they entered later.
Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 02:14 AM (bDjBG)

Actually, Japan was twice asked for help by Britain and provided it, running over 300 sorties out of Malta(!) and operated against German subs in the Mediterranean. They asked that the "Racial Equality" proposal be amended into the Versailles treaty (it wasn't), which was another cause of their turn from the West.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 02:18 AM (Q/6pY)

609 >>Does this mean I can pay my tribute in cheese?
Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at December 08, 2022 02:15 AM (hMvna)

Yes. You correctly 'form up' and present a Stilton, and you will be given the priest's headdress and the obsidian knife that seeks hearts.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 02:20 AM (Q/6pY)

610 We have our own demons and secret political police. Churchill's Iron Curtain speech refers pretty much to the whole world now.
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The reason Israel exists is so the Jews would always have their one guaranteed homeland, free from Anti-Semitism both genteel and coarse. When times are bad, or the elites need someone to take the blame for their greed, old hatreds are reborn. Posted by: exdem13
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Well, if I recall correctly which I don't always, I believe that the Balfour declaration was a quid pro quo with the British Government that simply had to have a way to synthesize needed replacements for nitrates to make ammo through Chaim Weizman's scientific brilliance.

Ironically, while checking the dates, it comes up with why the naval battles in S. American happened, the Brits depended on caliche for their ammo and fertilizer needs from Chile and the German ships were disrupting the shipment of them to old Blighty.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 02:20 AM (bDjBG)

611 Just read the story on von Spee. There were naval escapades all over the Pacific.

Only thing I thought about WWI was warfare in Europe and ships crossing the Atlantic. Bet I not the only one.
Amazing.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 08, 2022 02:20 AM (AfYvi)

612 >>I was seriously curious about your stated reasons in the Ukraine and meant no disrespect to you. Some folks here damn the Russians and others damn the Ukrainians where I find the leaders odious in both countries and wish both leaders and their minions take each other out rather than make areas bleed.

Whig, I mean no respect to you either and I have a lot of respect for your knowledge of history which is why I am surprised why you and so many keep insisting this is a war between Ukraine and Russia when it is clearly not. If it were, it not only wouldn't be a war the world cared about, more like a Balkans squabble, instead of a war the US alone is poised to spend over $100 billion to sustain over a country 99.9% of the world couldn't find on a map.

This is a war of our choosing. It has been plain since the 2008 Bucharest Summit. Ukraine is a corrupt dump full of corrupt politicians, and yes, a large nazi/national socialist contingent or call it what you what want but it has existed since WWII in eastern Ukraine, a moderate middle and a western Russian western 3rd of the country.

Why the hell are we beggaring our country over a corrupt dump we do not have any interest in?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2022 02:24 AM (ZLI7S)

613 603 Jackstraw,

I was seriously curious about your stated reasons in the Ukraine and meant no disrespect to you. Some folks here damn the Russians and others damn the Ukrainians where I find the leaders odious in both countries and wish both leaders and their minions take each other out rather than make areas bleed.
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Like whig, I could care less about Putin's land grab against the Zelensky regime in terms of leadership and policy. Anything that takes Tsar Putin down a peg or two is fine by me. But Zelensky is a corrupt politico who has ultimately armed his people by threatening the Biden junta with the revelation of their dirty Ukranian laundry if Putin does win. My ultimate sympathies are with the Ukrainian people who are doing what comes naturally by trying to keep the Bear out of their collective house.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 08, 2022 02:24 AM (W+kMI)

614 Yes. You correctly 'form up' and present a Stilton, and you will be given the priest's headdress and the obsidian knife that seeks hearts.
Posted by: ZOD

Well I am going to make the learning curve a long slow gradient . The milking process itself will be a learning experience . Eventually I would love to try and emulate some of the Irish cheese.

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at December 08, 2022 02:27 AM (hMvna)

615 607 old hatreds are reborn.
Posted by: exdem13

They never died.
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Someone is always around to fan the embers back into a flame, right?

Posted by: exdem13 at December 08, 2022 02:28 AM (W+kMI)

616 Ze French are on another level of ze confuzion:

@pegobry
The former head of the French equivalent of the CIA spends his time giving interviews about how immigration is destroying the country.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 08, 2022 02:28 AM (IyrhE)

617 Actually, Japan was twice asked for help by Britain and provided it, running over 300 sorties out of Malta(!) and operated against German subs in the Mediterranean. They asked that the "Racial Equality" proposal be amended into the Versailles treaty (it wasn't), which was another cause of their turn from the West.
Posted by: ZOD

That is a little fact nugget as is the German submarine warfare in the Mediterranean in WWI.
Obvious you know your naval history and what I thought I knew about WWI naval actions apart from perhaps Jutland was partial and erroneous. The whole Versailles fiasco though I did know about but not the Japanese internal reaction to it or the later Naval Treaty of 1922.

A lot of the Versailles Treaty negotiations involved bargaining chips or impossible demands where it is difficult to determine what was real and what was a feint to gain other advantage. Ironically, Wilson would probably be the least likely of the triumvirate of Clemenceau, and Lloyd George, to approve of racial equality in a treaty but the several books I have do not go into detail regarding that which I am basing on Wilson's attitude in US politics.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 02:28 AM (bDjBG)

618 Why the hell are we beggaring our country over a corrupt dump we do not have any interest in?
Posted by: JackStraw

Because this war isn't about nation states and " we " don't have a seat at the table .....yet

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at December 08, 2022 02:30 AM (hMvna)

619 >>Von Spee

The interesting thing (interesting enough to inform a master's thesis) about him is that he didn't have to stop at Falklands, and knew it. Theorists claim (esoterica) that he was given a false cable generated by the British instructing him to destroy the wireless station at Falklands. Britain had cut all but one Germany-bound undersea cable in the first days of the war, and had acquired the German naval codebook in the first weeks. The Falklands battle occurred late in 1914, and the war started in August, so the debated question is whether 'Blinker' Hall and the Royal Navy would've been able to scramble together false orders using the code to drive Spee into a trap in such a short timeframe. Hall's papers at Churchill College (Cambridge) allude to this, and captured German spy Von Rintelen insists this was the case. Nearly all of Spee's command was killed in the battle (Pochhammer was the sole German officer who published on the battle), so first-hand accounts are scarce. Anyway, that's Spee in a nutshell.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 02:30 AM (Q/6pY)

620 Someone is always around to fan the embers back into a flame, right?
Posted by: exdem13

Yep. The only thing that changes is their PR firm

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at December 08, 2022 02:32 AM (hMvna)

621 CoutureAndRoyals @CoutureRoyals
#BREAKING German Prince Heinrich XIII Reuss of Greiz was arrested this morning suspected of planning a coup d’état in Germany with at least 24 other people

The plan was to attack the German parliament in Berlin and insert the Prince as new head of state, King/Emperor of [German flag] Posted by: andycanuck (Vwz3I) at December 07, 2022 11:28

I haven't heard of his. How bad could he have been compared to the lame German leaders we have seen since?

Posted by: Farmer at December 08, 2022 02:32 AM (55Qr6)

622 Why the hell are we beggaring our country over a corrupt dump we do not have any interest in?
Posted by: JackStraw a
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As of two days I have come to believe that it's all China.
Our involvement? Biden is China's lackey. Biden gets money, they war continues but the goal is eliminating food production and somewhat destabilizing Russia.

China's plan to conquer the west is to starve it and buy it. In every country that's having internal problems China is there.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 08, 2022 02:34 AM (AfYvi)

623 Trump's breath stinks so bad it would cause a cow to gag !!!!!

Posted by: Dorcus Blimline at December 08, 2022 02:34 AM (8ORp0)

624 I haven't heard of his. How bad could he have been compared to the lame German leaders we have seen since?
Posted by: Farmer
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They're "far-right extremist terrorists".

Like MAGA here, which, btw, the feebs got mo money to hunt down "MAGA terrorists".

Once the marriage bill passes, churches that don't toe the LGBTQ line will be shut down.

Posted by: SMH at December 08, 2022 02:35 AM (3v06p)

625 >>Because this war isn't about nation states and " we " don't have a seat at the table .....yet

But we did. That's the bizarre part.

This is a war over imaginary lines that ended during the cold war. It's a war over an alliance that only exists on paper and our country's checkbook and the media's incessant hype.

NATO should have ended when the wall came down and we, the west, chose an idiotic foreign policy and invested out intel community with power to enforce a spooky enemy that died with the wall and they horrible decision is still infecting out politics today. Ask Trump.

We are still fighting the Cold War when the real enemy is China. Has been for decades.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2022 02:36 AM (ZLI7S)

626 612 Why the hell are we beggaring our country over a corrupt dump we do not have any interest in?
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I bet there are some people in Washington D.C. who know exactly why the USA is being made to take sides, and help perpetuate and escalate the conflict. I do suspect Zelensky pulled in his markers and reminded some D.C. players about the likely termination of their "money laundering scheme" (to quote CPT Charles) if Russia took over. Trump was curious about what had been going on in Ukraine 2014-16, but obviously THAT wasn't going to be investigated! I also remember something about US & NATO-funded bioweapons research facilities. You know, might be pertinent to a man-made and man-exploited epidemic?

Posted by: exdem13 at December 08, 2022 02:36 AM (W+kMI)

627 >>I haven't heard of his. How bad could he have been compared to the lame German leaders we have seen since? Posted by: Farmer at December 08, 2022 02:32 AM (55Qr6)

George W.: Gives Merkel a shoulder massage. She winces.

Trump: Grabs Merkel's tit, says "we own you, kraut, bigly, and never forget it." Merkel kneels.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 02:37 AM (Q/6pY)

628 Whig,
Why the hell are we beggaring our country over a corrupt dump we do not have any interest in?
Posted by: JackStraw

I agree that it is ridiculous to be spending what we are doing with much of the money being siphoned off to pols and oligarchs here and there and seriously disagree with fanning an escalation of the war after appearing to agree to Russia just putting the tip in prior to the invasion. Then the apparent British or American involvement in blowing up the pipelines which is certainly casus belli and now seizing the foreign reserves of Russia which will cause endless emnity to exist.

I am and have been a Jacksonian in temperament and find myself agreeing more and more with Washington's warning of foreign entanglements.

But, as a matter of international law, once you go over the boundaries of another state, it is a war between those states and not a mere civil war.

Russia was rather careful in 2014 but not this time and a lot of people are dead because of it. That is on Putin and his clique. Nothing caused him to initiate such a wide action except he thought he could get away with it. He should have limited his appetite to Luhansk and Donesk.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 02:37 AM (bDjBG)

629 Chyyyna.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 02:38 AM (Q/6pY)

630 Recruitment/retention is so low, not to mention that those currently on active duty are sick with the clot shot and dropping like flies, the junta is begging those kicked out for refusing the jab to come back in...LOLGF.

"Service members kicked out of the U.S. military for refusing Covid vaccine could be allowed to rejoin, officials say"

https://tinyurl.com/46scb4a3

Posted by: SMH at December 08, 2022 02:39 AM (Ls+Jx)

631 If nothing else, Ukraine is an excellent test-bed for ENVG, NGSW, and Black Hornets. The near-peer adversary data is...informative.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 02:41 AM (Q/6pY)

632 625 >>We are still fighting the Cold War when the real enemy is China. Has been for decades.
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I concede that point. The Ukraine is an expensive diversion of no real gain for us, whether NATO or USA alone. The PRC is 100% more harmful to us in both the short run and the long run, and the growing instability in the nation isn't helping either. Ji must be seriously considering Taiwan, as he has little more to lose, and a lot to gain from a success. Especially since the alternative is a possible 2-3 different Chinas on the mainland.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 08, 2022 02:44 AM (W+kMI)

633 Exdem13, I suspect that you are correct but I think the Biden junta thought they could play it both ways with his just the tip speech. Reminds me of April Glaspie in Iraq. Once war is unleashed, regardless of motives, things go pear shaped in creating lasting future problems for international relations. Doing so with a nuclear power is downright stupid.

And I blame Euroland with its expanding NATO talk for part of it as well as the Germans have long been playing a double game there for a long while. Ukraine cannot win in the long run but can lose, Russia can win at enormous costs to them but at such a price as to be pyrrhic in nature which indicates a huge miscalculation by the Russians about the value of their energy exports just like Saddam thought.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 02:45 AM (bDjBG)

634 ZOD, I think that I recall Merkel getting the shakes pretty bad before she knelt too.

Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at December 08, 2022 02:46 AM (a4EWo)

635 Once the marriage bill passes, churches that don't toe the LGBTQ line will be shut down.
Posted by: SMH
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It will be interesting to see who closes and who doesn't.
And churches that don't go QWERTY and stay open will be very interesting.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 08, 2022 02:47 AM (AfYvi)

636 630 Recruitment/retention is so low, not to mention that those currently on active duty are sick with the clot shot and dropping like flies, the junta is begging those kicked out for refusing the jab to come back in...LOLGF.

"Service members kicked out of the U.S. military for refusing Covid vaccine could be allowed to rejoin, officials say"
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Read the article. "LOLGF" seems like an appropriate response.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 08, 2022 02:47 AM (W+kMI)

637 2008 - Bush hints at NATO Bucharest Summit Georgia and Ukraine are candidates for NATO membership. Putin warns if this happens war will happen.

Putin invades Georgia (world ignores) and to this day still nominally controls regions of Georgia.

2014 - We run a color revolution in Ukraine and replace a duly elected government friendly with Russia and replace it with our puppet.

Putin takes Crimea.

2016 - Trump

2020 - Biden takes office and Putin invades Ukraine.

These are facts not opinions. People can blame Putin all they want but if prior to Obama if communists invades a neighboring country we would and did respond constantly.

So who is to blame?

Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2022 02:48 AM (ZLI7S)

638 China's having their Melian Dialogue with Taiwan about now, and it's based on Brandon's ineptitude.

"You think *he's* gonna rescue you? He (translates into Chinese) walks with his shoelaces tied together."

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 02:48 AM (Q/6pY)

639 >>635 Once the marriage bill passes, churches that don't toe the LGBTQ line will be shut down.
Posted by: SMH

This is acceptable.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 02:50 AM (Q/6pY)

640 >>> and Black Hornets. The near-peer adversary data is...informative.
Posted by: ZOD
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Imagine a cruise missile chock full of Black Hornets disbursing them over a designated target. They could swarm a designated target with no conventional weapon deterrent.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 08, 2022 02:51 AM (AfYvi)

641 Posted by: exdem13
I think Xi would like to take Taiwan but the whole massive aerial barrage idea did not work with Britain and I doubt it would work well with Taiwan without an invasion. China too, like Germany, has created a fleet from almost nothing but doesn't have the naval history of employing that fleet nor the delicate dance of landing large enough forces via amphibious landings and then supplying them.

Also Taiwan is probably like Japan and capable of making some nukes rather quickly if needed. Back in the 80's, it was involved in a covert group including South Africa and maybe some other country like Israel in nuclear weapon research. S. Africa actually tested one and I would not be surprised that Taiwan observed the test and shared knowledge about the S. African bomb project.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 02:52 AM (bDjBG)

642 This is acceptable.
Posted by: ZOD
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Bless your heart.

Niters, y'all.

Prayers up for those who are hurting.

Posted by: SMH at December 08, 2022 02:54 AM (Ls+Jx)

643 I neglected to put in my timeline that the Biden administration repeatedly stated in 2020 that Ukraine was a candidate for admission into NATO. A country that is on Russia's doorstep and one we have state for decades we would never admit into NATO.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2022 02:55 AM (ZLI7S)

644 >>I think Xi would like to take Taiwan

He will. He'll take it the same way DPRK plans to win over Blue House in Seoul--information operations. Not a shot will--or will need to be--fired.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 02:56 AM (Q/6pY)

645 638 China's having their Melian Dialogue with Taiwan about now, and it's based on Brandon's ineptitude.

"You think *he's* gonna rescue you? He (translates into Chinese) walks with his shoelaces tied together."
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I salute you for using "Melian Dialogue" in a contemporary context. Kneel to ZOD's scholarship!
Anyways, I honestly think the PRC pressuring Taiwan and Putin rolling into Ukraine have the same source. Neither Putin nor Ji have any respect for our installed president or the junta of weak sisters who are pulling his strings. Trump demanded and got respect, for himself and the USA. The Biden regime is corrupt, weak-kneed, and disunited on everything except screwing over We the People. God damn the GOPe and RINOs for abandoning Trump, and thus making the world a more dangerous place.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 08, 2022 02:59 AM (W+kMI)

646 Xi wouldn't have done shit if Trump or someone with his foreign policy was in office. The proof is he didn't.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2022 02:59 AM (ZLI7S)

647 638 China's having their Melian Dialogue with Taiwan about now, and it's based on Brandon's ineptitude.

"You think *he's* gonna rescue you? He (translates into Chinese) walks with his shoelaces tied together."
Posted by: ZOD
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China may be more concerned by a skillful response from a well armed (made in USA) Taiwan that with Biden.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 08, 2022 03:00 AM (AfYvi)

648 These are facts not opinions. People can blame Putin all they want but if prior to Obama if communists invades a neighboring country we would and did respond constantly.

So who is to blame?
Posted by: JackStraw

You left out Russians interfering with Georgia and actually carving it up prior to that convention. And yes, again there was bad blood between the Georgia president at the time and Russia but as a matter of international law, Russia does not get an exception for its ethnics in other countries to carve out autonomous zones. We were stupid enough to create that idea via Kosovo to try to win some pointless favors from the Saudis etc. not to mention the dubious reward of bombing Belgrade and hitting the Chinese embassy. But two stupidities do not mean more of them is a good idea regardless who did it first. Dumb and Dumber is not an instruction manual for leaders.

National interest must always guide a nation's wars and that must be narrowly defined. Once you get into idiocies like protecting the Russian people everywhere Soviet policy scattered them or historical zones of influence, etc. you are on a slippery slope to pointless wars and death on a large scale.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 03:00 AM (bDjBG)

649 This is a war over imaginary lines that ended during the cold war

Only in part. I have no desire to have a squirrel panel discussion regarding all of the geopolitical subplots that are involved. The EU is merely the latest union in the history of Europe whose purpose is to perpetuate the corruption that has been part of a majority of European history . I would wager that the EU is chock full of Hapsburgs and the other mongoloid families who sent my ancestors to be fodder for the heavy calvary and later the cannons . Russia has always been the 3rd cousin twice removed . They will never sully the club. Ukraine is merely the convenient idiot. They are expendable

Posted by: Sock Monkey * Ungovernable at December 08, 2022 03:02 AM (hMvna)

650 >>Neither Putin nor Ji have any respect for our installed president or the junta of weak sisters who are pulling his strings.

Concur wholly.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 03:02 AM (Q/6pY)

651 641 Posted by: exdem13
I think Xi would like to take Taiwan but the whole massive aerial barrage idea did not work with Britain and I doubt it would work well with Taiwan without an invasion. China too, like Germany, has created a fleet from almost nothing but doesn't have the naval history of employing that fleet nor the delicate dance of landing large enough forces via amphibious landings and then supplying them.
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Well, I said Ji was thinking about it. Not that it would be a good decision, but there is a precedent for strongmen encumbered in domestic woes to look to military victory to solve their problems. I forgot about Taiwan and potential nuke building, thanks for that reminder.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 08, 2022 03:04 AM (W+kMI)

652 Also that sticky mutual defense pack they have with Japan.

Just a pincer move west. It's not that far from Japan to Peking.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 08, 2022 03:05 AM (AfYvi)

653 >>death on a large scale.
Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 03:00 AM (bDjBG)

(sips from glass, stares into crackling fire, tents fingers)

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 03:05 AM (Q/6pY)

654 If China dismisses Zhao Bai-Den and takes Taiwan, you must still orda by numba.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 03:07 AM (Q/6pY)

655 >>You left out Russians interfering with Georgia and actually carving it up prior to that convention.

You left out that nobody cared and the former president of Georgia fled and became, magically, the governor Odessa in Ukraine. A guy trained by our State Dept.

It's a CIA game. I don't care. And neither do you other than as a historian. It's not our neighborhood and again, nobody cares. Do you care what's happening in Kazakhstan after the Biden administration tried to run a color revolution there and Putin sent in troops to put it down and then publicly said he would not allow anymore color revolutions in former Soviet satellites?

No, you don't. And I don't either. And we shouldn't care about Ukraine either other than it's a corrupt former western money laundry with a lot of secrets our elites want buried.

There is zero national interest in Ukraine.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2022 03:08 AM (ZLI7S)

656 646 Xi wouldn't have done shit if Trump or someone with his foreign policy was in office. The proof is he didn't.
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There's truth. Elections have consequences, and so do stolen elections. The petty political hatred of Donald j Trump here at home may rule the destinies of many before this century ends.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 08, 2022 03:09 AM (W+kMI)

657 He will. He'll take it the same way DPRK plans to win over Blue House in Seoul--information operations. Not a shot will--or will need to be--fired.

Posted by: ZOD

Not so sure about that judgment from the native Taiwanese I know. China killed a peaceful chance to reunite by its idiocy in Hong Kong which destroyed the ideals of the two China movement and now the ensuing shutdowns for Covid is further blackening its reputation.

Winning without firing a shot is always a risky play because it assumes that people including leaders act in a rational fashion. That historically has been a bad bet.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 03:09 AM (bDjBG)

658 I'm not excusing their actions, by any means.

Posted by: gourmand du jour at December 08, 2022 01:12 AM (jTmQV)

Not aimed at you but I hate this. When rationally and calmly discussing a topic, no such trigger warning is necessary. For example, I can support Russia's point of view vis-a-vis Ukraine and still not be a Putin fan-boy. I can feel sorry for the civilian population of both countries without being a Putin apologist. Oh, and let's not forget the official policy of pushing Ukraine to join NATO. Why? Just to tick off Russia? To what end? To whose benefit?

This lack of rational discourse, of free speech, without all sorts of insurance policies is why Western Civilization is in steep decline.

Maybe a gazillionaire African-American techie can save free speech -- a lynch pin for self-government -- by buying Twitter. The world is a crazy place right now (America [her politicians bought and paid for] supports corrupt Nazis against evil madman Putin) so it just might work.

Posted by: RickZ at December 08, 2022 03:09 AM (emlEe)

659 There is zero national interest in Ukraine.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2022 03:08 AM (ZLI7S)

'National interest' is such a fluid term.

Posted by: Your Friendly Deep State at December 08, 2022 03:13 AM (emlEe)

660 652 Also that sticky mutual defense pack they have with Japan.

Just a pincer move west. It's not that far from Japan to Peking.
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The PRC's saber rattling and DPRK's bottle rocket launches has resulted in the spectacle of ROK, Taiwan, and Philppines uniting with long-despised Japan to counter Chinese aggression. Trump helped a lot with that too, although as usual he won't get any credit for it.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 08, 2022 03:14 AM (W+kMI)

661 >>> No, you don't. And I don't either. And we shouldn't care about Ukraine either other than it's a corrupt former western money laundry with a lot of secrets our elites want buried.

There is zero national interest in Ukraine.
Posted by: JackStraw
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I watched the tanks roll in to Hungary, I didn't like it.
I watched Putin roll into Ukraine, I didn't like it.
If it's OK for him to roll into Ukraine it's OK for any state to disregard any international border it chooses.
I don't like that.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 08, 2022 03:18 AM (AfYvi)

662 >>Winning without firing a shot is always a risky play
Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 03:09 AM (bDjBG)

Consider the alternative.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 03:19 AM (Q/6pY)

663 faintly apropos:

https://www.daybydaycartoon.com/

*yawns*

*goes back to bed*

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at December 08, 2022 03:19 AM (j3SBD)

664 Trump helped a lot with that too, although as usual he won't get any credit for it.

Posted by: exdem13 at December 08, 2022 03:14 AM (W+kMI)

It seemed Trump and Abe really did get along together. And my view from this side of the bigger pond is that Abe was a pretty good world leader for Japan. Now Abe's gone . . . .

Posted by: RickZ at December 08, 2022 03:20 AM (emlEe)

665 It's OK for Zod to disregard anything.

Like that.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 03:20 AM (Q/6pY)

666 Dusko Popov (the real james bond) was a double agent for England. German intelligence asked him to find out as much as he could about pearl harbor for their Japanese allies. Popov realized the japs were going to attack pearl harbor and went to see J. Edgar Hoover to warn about the pending attack. Hoover told Popov that it was his business not Popov. In exasperation Popov said no one can tell you anything.

Posted by: jojo at December 08, 2022 03:21 AM (UXpD3)

667 I like the part of the movie where we just, umm, conquer Canada and put Justin Trudeau in juvie hall.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 03:21 AM (Q/6pY)

668 >>Hoover told Popov that it was his business not Popov. In exasperation Popov said no one can tell you anything. Posted by: jojo at December 08, 2022 03:21 AM (UXpD3)

Richard Sorge: "Same same."

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 03:23 AM (Q/6pY)

669 I watched the tanks roll in to Hungary, I didn't like it.
I watched Putin roll into Ukraine, I didn't like it.
If it's OK for him to roll into Ukraine it's OK for any state to disregard any international border it chooses.
I don't like that.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 08, 2022 03:18 AM (AfYvi)

The world is a messy place and I aver that we are partially responsible for Putin rolling into Ukraine, to your consternation. China has basically declared war on the US using fentanyl and COVID-1984 (which worked well beyond their hopes and dreams), not to mention all the Chinese spies outed both in the political and technological spheres. How much of that shit should we take?

Posted by: RickZ at December 08, 2022 03:25 AM (emlEe)

670 There is zero national interest in Ukraine.
Posted by: JackStraw

It is not quite zero with NATO nations on Ukraine's borders but essentially happened because American acted as if it won the Cold War and Russia reacted as if it was trying to regain the status it lost as the Soviet Union. Neither recognized that the situation had changed--the US became spendthrift and internally divided and Russia thought that oil and energy power was its way back to superpower status.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 03:26 AM (bDjBG)

671 >>I watched the tanks roll in to Hungary, I didn't like it.
I watched Putin roll into Ukraine, I didn't like it.
If it's OK for him to roll into Ukraine it's OK for any state to disregard any international border it chooses.
I don't like that.

There are a whole lot of people around the world who didn't like, and still don't, our disregarding Iraq's borders and taking down a country. Doesn't matter how we feel about it, they don't like it.

And I'm pretty sure Putin really didn't like us running a coup in Ukraine taking down a government that was both elected and favorable to him.

We might want to sit a few out. Our track record led by our elites kind of sucks.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 08, 2022 03:27 AM (ZLI7S)

672 Consider the alternative.
Posted by: ZOD

Usually you get the alternative whether you like it or not. The enemy always gets a say in whatever you do unless you literally annihilate them with something like Czar Bomba or some such super villain type weapon.

Beating cow to get milk and then shooting it because it will not cooperate is the problem with Xi Emperor types.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 03:31 AM (bDjBG)

673 Japan can now give defense equipment and technology to Vietnam under an agreement signed Saturday, as the two countries step up their military cooperation amid worries about China s growing military influence.

Japan's Defense Minister Nobuo Kishi said the deal elevates their defense partnership “to a new level” and that Japan and Vietnam plan to deepen defense ties through multinational joint exercises and other means.
_AP

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 08, 2022 03:32 AM (AfYvi)

674 I am off to bed, Horde, I have the luxury of sleeping until 8 tomorrow. Sweet dreams to you all.

Posted by: Debby Doberman Schultz at December 08, 2022 03:33 AM (a4EWo)

675 >>Russia thought that oil and energy power was its way back to superpower status. Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 03:26 AM (bDjBG)

At the end of the day, it's a rentier economy, and has finally realized/accepted that, after decades of pointless central planning and "modernization" at a pace nowhere near competitive. Saudi Arabia is doing just the opposite.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 03:35 AM (Q/6pY)

676 >>Usually you get the alternative whether you like it or not. Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 03:31 AM (bDjBG)

I think we're talking past each other. 'sall good, as the kids say.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 03:37 AM (Q/6pY)

677 We might be better off if we just Strangeloved every once in awhile. "Alright, you two knock it off or we're gonna nuke Switzerland."
"Whaaaa...?"
"Everyone likes Switzerland. Do you wanna be responsible for us turning it into a smoking crater?"
"Umm....no."
"Okay, then knock it off."
(Nukes Switzerland anyway, smirks)

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 03:40 AM (Q/6pY)

678 May 2. Bangkok Reuters
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The leaders of Japan and Thailand announced a new defense agreement on Monday as well as plans to upgrade their economic relations,...
The agreement would facilitate the transfer of defense hardware and technology from Japan to Thailand
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Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 08, 2022 03:41 AM (AfYvi)

679 We might want to sit a few out. Our track record led by our elites kind of sucks.
Posted by: JackStraw

That is true of most nations trying to climb the slippery pole of being a world power. Interest groups and cliques form while most people are worried about ordinary life in those countries.
So you think the average Russia believes Syria is in its interests? Probably not. What about the average Chinese person considering Australian policy on Chinese investment? Probably not and so on. China built a more modern force precisely to interfere in other places near and now even further such as off the coast of India including a base in Djibouti. Russia is trying to rebuild its near abroad empire which many of the locals, particularly in Central Asia, have no interest in returning.

Elites in general do not work for very long for a country's real interests--that is what is good for the average citizen judged by increasing lifespan, increasing individual wealth, and an increasing population or at least one that can replace itself without immigration. Instead we get elites competing for power and using national interest as a cover for it.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 03:42 AM (bDjBG)

680 I think we're talking past each other. 'sall good, as the kids say.
Posted by: ZOD

Probably. You are exceptionally well informed and I have been out of intl affairs/comparative field for a long while so the advantage is yours in military history and most probably current armament as well. I have colleagues that I used to discuss such matters with but Covid and personal health have precluded that for the last several years.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 03:45 AM (bDjBG)

681 (Nukes Switzerland anyway, smirks)
Posted by: ZOD

If you happened to pick Davos at a certain time of year, you might find people cheering in the streets.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 03:47 AM (bDjBG)

682 >>China built a more modern force precisely to interfere in other places near and now even further such as off the coast of India including a base in Djibouti.

It's probably worth noting that China--unlike the U.S. and Russia--hasn't been in a meaningful scrap since 1979 with Vietnam. The PRC may be modernized, but their institutional knowledge is scant. It may not be a decisive disadvantage, but lacking a core knowledge of battle management in the leadership and combat proficiency in the ranks is a definite disadvantage. Estimates of the DPRK 5051 plan always assumed that the impetus south would stop fifteen miles into the country for related reasons (including "holy shit, look at all this STUFF!" looting), as the Nork army might have a shitload of guns, but no experience. It can't be taught.

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 03:51 AM (Q/6pY)

683 673 Japan can now give defense equipment and technology to Vietnam under an agreement signed Saturday, as the two countries step up their military cooperation amid worries about China s growing military influence.

Japan's Defense Minister Nobuo Kishi said the deal elevates their defense partnership “to a new level” and that Japan and Vietnam plan to deepen defense ties through multinational joint exercises and other means.
_AP
Posted by: Braenyard

Action creates reaction in international affairs. Behaving like a bully eventually leads to the bullied linking up. The US has made some of the same errors as the UK did before it.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 03:52 AM (bDjBG)

684 >>Davos

"World. This is ZOD. You will select a city for nuclear destruction. Do not select Baltimore, Zod hates it and it is already slated for elimination. Choose. Do This Now."

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 03:54 AM (Q/6pY)

685 (World selects Philadelphia)

"An astute choice."

Posted by: ZOD at December 08, 2022 03:56 AM (Q/6pY)

686 682, Time never sits still regarding military matters or even trade for that matter. That is one of the reasons I believe that almost always that war causes unpredictable circumstances to ill effect.

When a nation cannot even educate its children properly nor provide safety in the streets, it has little business playing the game of empires.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 03:56 AM (bDjBG)

687 Don't want to but time to get up

Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2022 03:57 AM (xhxe8)

688 Heh. Have a good night sir Zod.

A failed root canal has kept me up despite the pain meds. But off to apply ice packs before bed.

Posted by: whig at December 08, 2022 03:58 AM (bDjBG)

689 Woof:

@pegobry 3m

Ah et bizarrement les eutha-nazis ne sont pas fans du dialogue

Posted by: weft cut-loop at December 08, 2022 03:59 AM (IyrhE)

690 PIXY IS UP

Posted by: Skip at December 08, 2022 04:01 AM (xhxe8)

691 Xi must consider all the coastal rim nations against him. Formidable Thai tranny boys aside, attacking Taiwan, he will have rough opposition while Joey eats his ice cream.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 08, 2022 04:06 AM (AfYvi)

692 Taiwan will fall to China without a shot fired. China plays the long game and Taiwanese officials take after the current lot of idiots in the West.

Taiwan will understand that the state of the West is in no shape to save them from their own idiocy.

Posted by: Slapweasel at December 08, 2022 04:11 AM (Ckg4U)

693 Taiwan will understand that the state of the West is in no shape to save them from their own idiocy.
Posted by: Slapweasel
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Taiwan will be a member of the new ASEAN Empire.
China will be neutered and as Europe diminishes
a new unity in the east will emerge.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at December 08, 2022 04:17 AM (AfYvi)

694 The Nantucket "boobies on da beach" brings up the question: What about "trans women silicon hooters"? They are still men, so can they go topless wherever the beach may be?

Sorry for any mental images this question may have invoked. Along the lines of the old joke. After a drunken night of bar hopping, then spending the night with a woman. You wake up the next morning and find out, no you didn't.

Posted by: Paladin at December 08, 2022 07:03 AM (UW+XE)

695 AOC unethical? Probably, we know her bra size is larger than her IQ.

The way that I see it is, this is being done now so that it can be dismissed as trivial and not worth pursuing, therefore when the R's assume control they cannot go after her for the same thing and once again the democrats protect their own and the Republicans go along.

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