Zelenzky, in a Hot War With Russia, Asks for Accelerated Entry Into NATO;<br>Also Says He Will Not Negotiate With Russia Until Putin Has Been Regime-Changed

Zelenzky, in a Hot War With Russia, Asks for Accelerated Entry Into NATO;
Also Says He Will Not Negotiate With Russia Until Putin Has Been Regime-Changed

Zeke Miller

@ZekeJMiller

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) -- Ukrainian leader Zelenskyy says his nation is submitting an 'accelerated' application to join the NATO military alliance.

Jack Posobiec XLV

@JackPosobiec

Zelensky has announced Kyiv will hold no negotiations with Russia while Putin is President and that he is applying for full NATO membership today for Ukraine

Michael Tracey

@mtracey

On "Face the Nation" today Zelensky said about Putin's nuclear threat: "I don't think he's bluffing." He then repeated his call for the US to designate Russia a "state sponsor of terrorism" even if this will "make diplomatic negotiations impossible." Does anyone see an issue here

Is this the next step? Is this how the neocon/neoliberal foreign policy establishment makes the War of Vengeance Against Russia for Hacking the 2016 Election, which they promised would never happen, happen?

Will the neocon WWIII cheering section of Conservative, Inc. and NeverTrump, which still believes, along with their leftwing allies, that Russia "hacked our election," and that Donald Trump is a "Russian Agent," applaud?

P.S.: They're also bitter opponents of QAnon for believing the wrong crazy conspiracy theories, the ones not embraced by their leftwing Democrat Twitter palz!

Think of all the extraordinary blogging opportunities they'll get out of a nuclear war with Russia. They can write so many paeans to their manly sitting-on-their-asses virtues and courage before nuclear fires turn out all the lights.

Oh well, I guess we have go to full solemn war against Russia now, seeing as they Subverted the 2016 Election with FaceBook Ads, and just last week, Blew Up Their Own Nord Stream pipelines. (wink.)

We also know to the lead up

They lied to Ukraine about NATO

The U.S. and NATO never worked on negotiations for peace
Instead they kept pushing Ukraine entering NATO ..

Eventually Zelensky even had to admit ~
It was never to be

Yes ! Diplomats lie all the time

Watch Til End https://t.co/9EHaHPiQ16 pic.twitter.com/pYwzIkQvhN
— Lawyerforlaws (@lawyer4laws) September 27, 2022

Posted by: Ace at 12:00 PM

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1 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 30, 2022 12:00 PM (Zz0t1)

2 So, Russia is going to turn this into a defensive war on their part?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 30, 2022 12:00 PM (LvTSG)

3 Quick! Send Ukraine a few more billion! They must be STARVING over there.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 30, 2022 12:00 PM (Zz0t1)

4 Hi Ace

Any plans for the weekend?

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 30, 2022 12:01 PM (Y+l9t)

5 so Zalensky got hte message from biden and boris and the rest of europe, huh...

Posted by: SturmToddler at September 30, 2022 12:02 PM (Mkvkw)

6 Is this the next step? Is this how the neocon/neoliberal foreign policy establishment makes the War of Vengeance Against Russia for Hacking the 2016 Election, which they promised would never happen, happen?

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The Conservative Case for Rallying Around the POTUS in the Run-Up to World War III: Why Elections Must Be Cancelled.

Posted by: ShainS -- Triple-Jabbed & Quad-Boosted with the Biden Hurricane-22 Vaccine at September 30, 2022 12:02 PM (JfQmR)

7 Raise your hand if you think Zelensky is really the bad guy in all this? (Raises hand.) He's certainly no better than Putin and has been totally playing us and stealing our aid money. Fuck him, fuck Ukraine, fuck the entire region.

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 30, 2022 12:03 PM (iFTx/)

8 It strikes me as odd that we have a foreign head of state that is embroiled in a ware demanding - not lobbying, not asking, not begging, but *demanding* - that other states escalate that war on its behalf.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 30, 2022 12:03 PM (t0OGg)

9 There's NO business like SHOW business!!!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at September 30, 2022 12:03 PM (wtvvX)

10 @3

>>Quick! Send Ukraine a few more billion! They must be STARVING over there.

Well the Junta needed a new "forever war," I figured they would pick a fight with some podunk country nobody ever heard of like Suriname or the Seychelles, not a nuclear power.

As has been noted, we are led by some profoundly stupid and evil c**ts.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 30, 2022 12:03 PM (up/3i)

11 Maybe it's time for the media to start actually reporting on Russia, Russia, Russia.

Posted by: Roy at September 30, 2022 12:03 PM (HD1Rz)

12 https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html

Read the above link. Somebody who knows what he's talking about doesn't buy the sabotage angle. Russian pipes blow up all the time because lousy maintenance.

Posted by: Grant Swinger at September 30, 2022 12:04 PM (p0isf)

13 Things are escalating on schedule. Shit's getting real. Prepare for an unforgettable October.

Posted by: Top Of gp's Mind at September 30, 2022 12:04 PM (24fqN)

14 Can this war go hotter? Tune in and find out.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at September 30, 2022 12:04 PM (XvPQV)

15 Well that would drag us into the Russia/ Ukraine war for sure

Posted by: Skip's phone at September 30, 2022 12:04 PM (HvsED)

16 He Will Not Negotiate With Russia Until Putin Has Been Regime-Changed

....hold out both hands...

Posted by: BignJames at September 30, 2022 12:04 PM (AwYPR)

17 Looks like it's time to throw another $45 billion at Zelensky.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 30, 2022 12:04 PM (Qzn2/)

18 So who knew Zelensky was King of fucking Europe and North America?

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 30, 2022 12:04 PM (bA3Ln)

19
Zelenzky, in a Hot War With Russia, Asks for Accelerated Entry Into NATO

_________

*drops blackball into ballot box*

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 30, 2022 12:04 PM (1Nxff)

20 As I said yesterday, we have a handful of megalomaniacs who are f*cking with life on Earth as we know it. Hard to process.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 30, 2022 12:05 PM (Xrfse)

21 The Junta is desperate for a war of distraction.

I don't know the American public is all that interested in sending out troops to Ukraine.

Of course, we may not have much say in the matter, as the Junta seem to pretty much do whatever it wants.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 30, 2022 12:05 PM (5pTK/)

22 It strikes me as odd that we have a foreign head of state that is embroiled in a ware demanding - not lobbying, not asking, not begging, but *demanding* - that other states escalate that war on its behalf.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 30, 2022 12:03 PM (t0OGg)
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yeah...Assuming Ukraine's membership in NATO is granted, what will get triggered automatically because of that membership...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 30, 2022 12:05 PM (YIVH2)

23 They lied to Ukraine about NATO
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The bullshit and the money keep the biolabs open and quiet.

Posted by: Axeman at September 30, 2022 12:05 PM (krQz2)

24 Would you buy a used war from this man?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 30, 2022 12:05 PM (FVME7)

25 Fire up the printing presses. They won't see another break until 2024.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 30, 2022 12:05 PM (Qzn2/)

26 Putin would do the world a favor by dropping some bottled sunshine right on DeeCee.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 30, 2022 12:06 PM (ZCool)

27 2 So, Russia is going to turn this into a defensive war on their part?

I don't know. But judging from what they did in WW2 they managed to flip from defensive mode to staggeringly effective offense.

Posted by: kallisto at September 30, 2022 12:06 PM (dCxaZ)

28 Note: all the Americans cheering this on will not be drafted into the subsequent war that would follow Uke dragging NATO in openly.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at September 30, 2022 12:06 PM (XvPQV)

29 Sundowner and the Puppeteers would love a hot war just before the elections, good reason to not have them. Or blame Republicans to be on Putin side.

Posted by: Skip's phone at September 30, 2022 12:06 PM (HvsED)

30 There is no possible "peace negotiations", and never has been.

Because Putin's end goal has always been the complete conquest of Ukraine.

He's not honoring the Budapest Accords, so there's no sane reason to believe he'd honor any other deal he made.

"Trust me", says Putin, "I'll only put the tip in."
"I'll pull out before I cum"
"I'll give you a call in the morning"

Either Putin is completely defeated, or Ukraine ceases to exist. There's no stable "in between"

I thought you were more bothered by the Holodomor than you appear to be

Posted by: Greg the Class Traitor at September 30, 2022 12:06 PM (XbP7q)

31 Ah Ace don't worry Biden has is it for action

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 30, 2022 12:06 PM (dO/0d)

32 NATO decisions have to be unanimous, and i have to imagine there's at least a couple of nations sane enough (or with their own motives...Turkey) to prevent Ukraine's admittance.

Posted by: Military Moron at September 30, 2022 12:06 PM (JCZqz)

33 Ukrainian leader Zelenskyy says his nation is submitting an 'accelerated' application to join the NATO military alliance.

Considering the Ukrainians have killed 800 trillion Russians in the past 24 hours alone, shouldn't NATO be asking to join them?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at September 30, 2022 12:06 PM (z99Zw)

34 Instead of sending $10 billion to Ukraine, how bout we just send them a few million illegal aliens?

Posted by: Tex Lovera at September 30, 2022 12:06 PM (wtvvX)

35 Zelenzky, in a Hot War With Russia, Asks for Accelerated Entry Into NATO;

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So no one forgets, this (Ukraine into NATO) is how Biden started the war between Ukraine and Russia.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 30, 2022 12:06 PM (wXOk6)

36 Former Swiss intelligence officer and NATO adviser Jacques Baud on the next phase of the Russia-Ukraine war, and new allegations that the US and UK undermined a peace deal that could have ended it.

I don't feel like watching the video. Does anyone know if it was a reasonable peace deal? Just because a deal existed doesn't mean it was a good one.

I'm prepared to believe the US and UK scuttled a good peace deal because our overlords want this war. But I'm also wary of this claim.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 30, 2022 12:07 PM (eyxn4)

37 I've decided I like Putin.
He is against mutilating children.
He thinks our energy policies are stupid.
He thinks Social media is full of lies.
He wants a negotiated settlement in Ukraine.

I agree.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 30, 2022 12:07 PM (Y+l9t)

38 Zelensky is probably no worse than the Shah or Ferdinand Marcos

look on the bright side

Posted by: REDACTED at September 30, 2022 12:07 PM (us2H3)

39 It is hard to put all the disparate threads together into an actual whole.

I wonder how the German people felt in 1941. What info were they getting? What did they think was happening? Did they know in October that it was looking bad? After Moscow? What were they told about Moscow? Battle of Britain? '42? '43? D-Day?

It is hard to know what people are doing and what they were thinking 80 years later when we have info from both sides (and can pierce through the obvious horseshit.) From inside the rowboat it is much harder.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 30, 2022 12:07 PM (5r4XQ)

40
Exactly how long after we pulled outa A-stan did Ukraine start?

Posted by: Yo! Ultra MAGA at September 30, 2022 12:07 PM (DSobG)

41 And congrats to Sponge!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at September 30, 2022 12:07 PM (XvPQV)

42 It does seem like a weird thing for someone who is winning to ask for, though.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 30, 2022 12:07 PM (wXOk6)

43 Will our Tranny Brigades be ready to free Ukraine?

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 30, 2022 12:08 PM (bA3Ln)

44 > I thought you were more bothered by the Holodomor than you appear to be

Wow, talk about a non sequitur.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 30, 2022 12:08 PM (eyxn4)

45 I've decided I like Putin.

*

That son of a bitch keeps printing U.S. dollars and ramping up inflation, though.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 30, 2022 12:08 PM (wXOk6)

46 I've decided I like Putin.
He is against mutilating children.
He thinks our energy policies are stupid.
He thinks Social media is full of lies.
He wants a negotiated settlement in Ukraine.

I agree.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 30, 2022 12:07 PM (Y+l9t)

NAZI!!!!!!!

*insert Invasion of the Body Snatchers gif here*

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 30, 2022 12:08 PM (Zz0t1)

47 escalate, Escalate, ESCALATE

BOOM!

Posted by: huerfano, stochastic commenter at September 30, 2022 12:08 PM (dTFZY)

48 The lesson here is that when your empire falls apart, you should hang on to your nuclear weapons. Unlike Ukraine.

North Dakota, Montana, Missouri, Louisiana, etc... take note.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at September 30, 2022 12:08 PM (bW8dp)

49
That son of a bitch keeps printing U.S. dollars and ramping up inflation, though.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 30, 2022 12:08 PM (wXOk6)

And hacking our elections.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 30, 2022 12:09 PM (Zz0t1)

50 7 Raise your hand if you think Zelensky is really the bad guy in all this? (Raises hand.) He's certainly no better than Putin and has been totally playing us and stealing our aid money. Fuck him, fuck Ukraine, fuck the entire region.
Posted by: Elric Blade at September 30, 2022 12:03 PM (iFTx/)

F*ck you, Eric Blade

Zelensky didn't invade or attack Russia. Putin invaded Ukraine in 2014, and then attacked it again this year.

If that's not your bad guy, it's because you are utterly f'ed up

Posted by: Greg the Class Traitor at September 30, 2022 12:09 PM (XbP7q)

51 I've decided I like Putin.
He is against mutilating children.
He thinks our energy policies are stupid.
He thinks Social media is full of lies.
He wants a negotiated settlement in Ukraine.

I agree.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 30, 2022 12:07 PM (Y+l9t)
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I agree with him on all that stuff. That doesn't make me like him, though.

I don't see him as Putin the Scooby-Doo villain though.

Posted by: Axeman at September 30, 2022 12:09 PM (krQz2)

52 Zelensky is probably no worse than the Shah or Ferdinand Marcos

*

You know Zelensky has a couple hundred pairs of shoes.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 30, 2022 12:09 PM (wXOk6)

53 "Greg the Class Traitor", your fantasy of recent history is boring, and stupid. The actual history is more eluminating.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 30, 2022 12:09 PM (OTzUX)

54 And congrats to Sponge!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at September 30, 2022 12:07 PM (XvPQV)

It almost makes the pain go away.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 30, 2022 12:09 PM (Zz0t1)

55 I've decided I like Putin.
He is against mutilating children.
He thinks our energy policies are stupid.
He thinks Social media is full of lies.
He wants a negotiated settlement in Ukraine.

I agree.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 30, 2022 12:07 PM (Y+l9t)

I just wish the bastard would stop making the price of our beans go up.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 30, 2022 12:09 PM (Qzn2/)

56 Zelensky WANTS World War 3 and Pedo Hitler is going to give it to him.

We are so fucked.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at September 30, 2022 12:09 PM (u4CEu)

57 Posted by: Military Moron at September 30, 2022 12:06 PM (JCZqz)

Maybe Hungary and the Baltic states will nix

Posted by: kallisto at September 30, 2022 12:10 PM (dCxaZ)

58 What else does Zelensky want? A victory parade in Red Square?

Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 30, 2022 12:10 PM (yvHe0)

59 Putin is still a shit heel. He'd have to cap Soros personally (or I'd take having it done) to get even grudging approval from me.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 30, 2022 12:10 PM (5r4XQ)

60 Now do the color revolution in Ukraine.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 30, 2022 12:10 PM (wXOk6)

61 Zelensky is probably no worse than the Shah or Ferdinand Marcos

*

You know Zelensky has a couple hundred pairs of shoes.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 30, 2022 12:09 PM (wXOk6)

And his hair is perfect.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 30, 2022 12:10 PM (Qzn2/)

62 Russian pipes blow up all the time because lousy maintenance.

Posted by: Grant Swinger at September 30, 2022 12:04 PM (p0isf)

Also, what's the effect of a nearby (1.9 Richter) explosion? Is it possible that one blew due to maintenance issues (it had been shut down for a month because of those) and the other one couldn't take the shockwave? Or that the system itself (no clue if they were from different sources) couldn't absorb the failure, like you see with electrical grids?

Just wondering.

Posted by: pookysgirl, pondering but not energetic enough to to do research at September 30, 2022 12:10 PM (XKZwp)

63 I still think, on the balance of benefits, China did it: Cheap Energy, no German Competition, US distracted / pulled in. What is the downside for China?

Posted by: Legion of Boom at September 30, 2022 12:10 PM (BsoVM)

64 It strikes me as odd that we have a foreign head of state that is embroiled in a ware demanding - not lobbying, not asking, not begging, but *demanding* - that other states escalate that war on its behalf.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 30, 2022 12:03 PM (t0OGg)

>>>Yeah, Stalin pulled that off by playing Hitler and Roosevelt off of each other.

Posted by: germanicus3 at September 30, 2022 12:10 PM (kB491)

65 This is a big-ass squirrel the left is wanting us to look at in the run up to the midterms.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at September 30, 2022 12:11 PM (BdMk6)

66 There is a school of thought...well...OK...it was me laying in bed earlier this morning thinking about this, that this is a good example of how to fight a limited nuclear war. No city-busting, world ending thing between Russia and the US, but one carefully placed tactical (say 5kt) device on a major Ukraine C2 node, and/or a second on a troop assembly area. No more than two as there is historical precedence for this. It would very likely end the war. No one will be happy about it, not NATO, not Russia and certainly not Ukraine, but it will end the fighting.

That said, I doubt if anyone in this administration could see it that way.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 30, 2022 12:11 PM (anj39)

67 8 It strikes me as odd that we have a foreign head of state that is embroiled in a ware demanding - not lobbying, not asking, not begging, but *demanding* - that other states escalate that war on its behalf.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 30, 2022 12:03 PM (t0OGg)
______________________

See my comment at #7. This is a very bad guy with good PR. It's also a very strange demand from a country that's supposedly winning a war.

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 30, 2022 12:11 PM (iFTx/)

68 I just wish the bastard would stop making the price of our beans go up.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 30, 2022 12:09 PM (Qzn2/)
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The price of beans has just gone up
And your old lady has just gone down.

Posted by: Zombie Frank Zappa at September 30, 2022 12:11 PM (krQz2)

69 I thought you were more bothered by the Holodomor than you appear to be

The Left is all in on committing other people's money and children to avenge historical injustices.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 30, 2022 12:11 PM (nfrXX)

70 SURPRISE!

Posted by: October at September 30, 2022 12:11 PM (wUHYj)

71 The Conservative Case for Rallying Around the POTUS in the Run-Up to World War III: Why Elections Must Be Cancelled.
Posted by: ShainS

And here I was thinking that it would be "Biden's in a coma so vote Blue~!" month... Silly me.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 30, 2022 12:11 PM (IyrhE)

72 > Looks like it's time to throw another $45 billion at Zelensky.
Posted by: Cicero

Don't forget 10% for the Big Guy.

Plus Hunter has child support to pay. And by "child support", I mean "drug debts".

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at September 30, 2022 12:11 PM (bW8dp)

73 Two hundred billion for war, not a penny for peace.

Don't pay any attention to the part where Ukraine is where the DC folks launder all their money.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 30, 2022 12:11 PM (wXOk6)

74 12 https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html

Read the above link. Somebody who knows what he's talking about doesn't buy the sabotage angle. Russian pipes blow up all the time because lousy maintenance.
Posted by: Grant Swinger at September 30, 2022 12:04 PM (p0isf)

I won't bad mouth Lawdog but...I don't buy his explanation, though he does provide one.

One explosion might be an accident, three? That's enemy action.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at September 30, 2022 12:11 PM (XvPQV)

75 So no one forgets, this (Ukraine into NATO) is how Biden started the war between Ukraine and Russia.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 30, 2022 12:06 PM (wXOk6)

Get over yourself. Putin started the war.

Biden's an f'ing loser, and so posed no threat to Putin. But this war is completely and entirely on Putin

Posted by: Greg the Class Traitor at September 30, 2022 12:12 PM (XbP7q)

76 Zelensky WANTS World War 3 and Pedo Hitler is going to give it to him.

We are so fucked.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger

Well, Pedo Hitler thinks he's already crossed into the afterlife, so he doesn't have much to lose. Those of us back here in reality...

Posted by: She Hobbit at September 30, 2022 12:12 PM (ftFVW)

77 My opinion has always been Russia and Ukraine can go play with each other all they want and I couldn't care what happens.

Posted by: Skip's phone at September 30, 2022 12:12 PM (HvsED)

78 12 https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html

Read the above link. Somebody who knows what he's talking about doesn't buy the sabotage angle. Russian pipes blow up all the time because lousy maintenance.
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I think I read yesterday that maintenance is done by a German company (Russia is largest stakeholder), so I wonder who actually staffs it?

Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at September 30, 2022 12:12 PM (y8NK7)

79 I wonder if the ruling class will be killed off in WW3 as they were n WW1.

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at September 30, 2022 12:12 PM (ki3oM)

80 ---
The price of beans has just gone up
And your old lady has just gone down.
Posted by: Zombie Frank Zappa at September 30, 2022 12:11 PM (krQz2)

Calling all vegetables.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 30, 2022 12:12 PM (Zz0t1)

81 "Accelerated" application to NATO?

Hilarious!

And, conveniently, highlights the single question that not a single western/NATO/US official or observer can begin to address, without confirming/reminding/revealing the actual background to all this.

"Why was Ukraine not a NATO member already? Why are places nobody can find on a map, like North Macedonia, and countries who can't even police their own borders or territory and will never be able to contribute anything to any alliance, like Albania, members? It's been 30+ years since the USSR. Why was Ukraine not a member years ago?"

They can't even begin to address this without highlighting what a ridiculous, avoidable eff-up this all was.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 30, 2022 12:12 PM (OTzUX)

82 Zelensky's take from the war machine must be epic - he is totally under the power of gold. Meanwhile Putin is speaking like a Russian poet about sacrifice and martyrdom. Do iodine pills work?

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at September 30, 2022 12:12 PM (oWBc3)

83 Ukraine is just a leftist NGO writ large.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 30, 2022 12:12 PM (Qzn2/)

84 I see greg the class traitor thinks there are good guys in the war between Ukraine and Russia.

I guess greg also thinks the US screaming about regime change in Russia, while actually committing regime change in Ukraine should be overlooked as a reason for Putin to invade. Not to mention Biden giving Russia the green light for his invasion.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 30, 2022 12:12 PM (5pTK/)

85 "War of Vengeance Against Russia for Hacking the 2016 Election"

I don't think that angle is all that important, even if they're milking it; they have the ability to use the media to steer their base to support a war against just about anyone they want to vilify. What we have here is a carefully calculated effort to get Russia to volunteer themselves into being the bad guy. They're the perfect bad guy for this because on an institutional level they really are a bunch of drunken savages and fuckups. I also suspect that this plan to steer them into this - like so many prog efforts - derailed for a bit in 2016. The whole thing has the stink of the same evil genius that gave us the pandemic-to-Great-Reset pipeline and its sophisticated effort to split non-prog opposition and make them into domestic boogeymen. As a scheme, it's a great one; the Russians are twats, the Ukrainian people are empathetic and generally cool dudes, a solid number of conservatives are retarded enough to choose sides poorly, and *CHINA* is plenty willing to whisper into Russia's ear "yeah bro, go for it" and then stab them in the back. The billions exchanging hands in defense spending is also a solid bonus.

Posted by: somedood at September 30, 2022 12:13 PM (BbSpR)

86 And his hair is perfect.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 30, 2022 12:10 PM (Qzn2/)
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Meh. I'm something of an authority on perfect hair and that man does not have perfect hair.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 30, 2022 12:13 PM (t0OGg)

87 > What is the downside for China?

The U.S. defaulting on its debts to China?

"If you owe the bank $1000, the bank owns you. If you owe the bank $100 million, you own the bank."

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at September 30, 2022 12:13 PM (bW8dp)

88 30
Too much about Putin's dick. didn't read.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at September 30, 2022 12:13 PM (yvHe0)

89 It is hard to know what people are doing and what they were thinking 80 years later when we have info from both sides (and can pierce through the obvious horseshit.) From inside the rowboat it is much harder.

Posted by: Aetius451AD
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On the other hand, we have a lot more information sources than the Germans had in 1939. Our problem is sorting the wheat from the chaff in time to make a reasoned decision. I do see several lessons if we live through all this--a) the defense industry needs a severe downsizing, b) we should maintain domestic production of key strategic materials and their production, c) we should not go abroad seeking monsters to slay.

Posted by: whig at September 30, 2022 12:13 PM (CXr4y)

90 I wonder if the ruling class will be killed off in WW3 as they were n WW1.
Posted by: Jamaica NYC at September 30, 2022 12:12 PM (ki3oM)

don't get my hopes up, you tease...

Posted by: SturmToddler at September 30, 2022 12:13 PM (Mkvkw)

91 12 https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html

Read the above link. Somebody who knows what he's talking about doesn't buy the sabotage angle. Russian pipes blow up all the time because lousy maintenance.
Posted by: Grant Swinger at September 30, 2022 12:04 PM (p0isf)

Hanlon's Razor, applied liberally.

Thanks for posting this.

Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at September 30, 2022 12:14 PM (MkuC5)

92 He wants accelerated NATO status so he can call in their troops to fight Russia. Running out of Ukranian cannon fodder.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 30, 2022 12:14 PM (lTGtQ)

93 Ace,

I think these insane warmongering Neocons casually believe they can control the situation. They believe that - at some point - they can ultimately make the Russians blink.
I wouldn't be surprised if their reference point is the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Lord, help us.

Posted by: Bach in Black at September 30, 2022 12:14 PM (7ubmG)

94 Joedolph Shitler is too big a bully not to strike back and be the big man in his own mind and the junta wants a war.

Biden has never been right on a foreign policy call, or anything else for that matter, he is going to keep that record and start up WWIII.

#BringBackMeanTweets

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at September 30, 2022 12:14 PM (u4CEu)

95 NATO should have been dissolved when they created the EU back in the 90s. Period.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at September 30, 2022 12:14 PM (z+OQR)

96 77 My opinion has always been Russia and Ukraine can go play with each other all they want and I couldn't care what happens.
Posted by: Skip's phone at September 30, 2022 12:12 PM (HvsED)

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My care-o-meter has been pegged at 0 this entire fucking time.

Don't take that to mean that I wish Ace wouldn't talk about it. It's an important global event right now, and DC is intertwined in it. It's important to keep track of somehow.

I still just don't give a shit about who is to blame, figuring out who is a good guy, or where the proper boundaries between these countries half a world away should be. It does not affect me. This is two feudal warlords fighting over property. I don't give a shit.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 30, 2022 12:14 PM (LvTSG)

97 Nope. Still don't give a fuck about Ukraine. Europe can kiss my ass too.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 30, 2022 12:14 PM (ngUCk)

98 Calling all vegetables.
Posted by: Sponge

You rang?
Slo Joe and John Fetterman

Posted by: Tonypete at September 30, 2022 12:14 PM (LsEU/)

99 Funny how the same crowd that wants to cut all greenhouse gases has no problem with an atmosphere full of radioactive fallout...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at September 30, 2022 12:14 PM (wtvvX)

100 >>The price of beans has just gone up
And your old lady has just gone down.

What kind of a Guru, are you?

Posted by: garrett at September 30, 2022 12:14 PM (NUExE)

101 It is not right though that my thoughts align with the Russian dictator more than with the President of the United States.
What does that say abut the direction of our country. They are in favor of creating a generation of sexless adults by sterilizing children before they even know what sex is.
They continue to lie about the state of the economy and the realities of what inflation is doing to the average household.
They are willing to send billions to Ukraine while open borders create a crime and drug addiction apocalypse.
It is ridiculous that this administration is doing nothing to move the combatants to the peace table. This is pretty unprecedented in my understanding of history.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 30, 2022 12:15 PM (Y+l9t)

102 Posted by: somedood at September 30, 2022 12:13 PM (BbSpR)

This is as solid a breakdown and analysis as anything else I have seen. Less shrill and glazed over at the very least.*

*not trying to be damning with faint praise there.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 30, 2022 12:15 PM (5r4XQ)

103 Now, Putin is mainly guilty of waging a reunification war. This is something that all of Europe did around the 1600-1800s and East Asia in the mid-20th century (but we involved ourselves in).

Re-unification wars are always somebody invading the other territory. And that looks bad in the UN era.

But it seems to be a natural historic force as well.

Posted by: Axeman at September 30, 2022 12:15 PM (krQz2)

104
Also, what's the effect of a nearby (1.9 Richter) explosion? Is it possible that one blew due to maintenance issues (it had been shut down for a month because of those) and the other one couldn't take the shockwave? Or that the system itself (no clue if they were from different sources) couldn't absorb the failure, like you see with electrical grids?

Just wondering.
Posted by: pookysgirl, pondering but not energetic enough to to do research at September 30, 2022 12:10 PM (XKZwp

It's the timing of this event that makes me think is sabotage. Winter is coming.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at September 30, 2022 12:15 PM (BdMk6)

105 50 7 Raise your hand if you think Zelensky is really the bad guy in all this? (Raises hand.) He's certainly no better than Putin and has been totally playing us and stealing our aid money. Fuck him, fuck Ukraine, fuck the entire region.
Posted by: Elric Blade at September 30, 2022 12:03 PM (iFTx/)

F*ck you, Eric Blade

Zelensky didn't invade or attack Russia. Putin invaded Ukraine in 2014, and then attacked it again this year.

If that's not your bad guy, it's because you are utterly f'ed up
Posted by: Greg the Class Traitor at September 30, 2022 12:09 PM (XbP7q)
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No: FUCK YOU. You obviously know nothing about the history of the region. I didn't say Putin wasn't also a very bag guy. They are ALL very bad guys. Putin is just more successful at the "bad guy" thing. So yes -- fuck him too. But also fuck Ukraine. Let them fight their own wars with their own money. If they can't, then too bad for them.

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 30, 2022 12:15 PM (iFTx/)

106 Ukraine is nothing but a giant money laundering scheme. The rich and powerful are getting billions while the rest of the world freezes and starved.

Fuck Zelensky. He's a filthy lying traitor to his people. I'm so sick of his green tshirt and his fake tears. Fuck him.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 30, 2022 12:15 PM (1GRHN)

107 So who knew Zelensky was King of fucking Europe and North America?
Posted by: Puddinhead

He's not. Satan is.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at September 30, 2022 12:15 PM (YJwUM)

108 @12 Read the above link. Somebody who knows what he's talking about doesn't buy the sabotage angle. Russian pipes blow up all the time because lousy maintenance.

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Yeah, I read that this morning. Makes a good case for an accident, imo.

Posted by: junior at September 30, 2022 12:15 PM (pCVnB)

109 I think I read yesterday that maintenance is done by a German company (Russia is largest stakeholder), so I wonder who actually staffs it?

Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs
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If you note, due to gas flows, pigs, etc. can only be inserted from the Russian side, not German. Essentially the flow of gas determines who actually performs the maintenance--regardless of the ownership of the company.

Posted by: whig at September 30, 2022 12:15 PM (CXr4y)

110 Prediction:

The "October Surprise" will be that Biden will announce that because of Russia's annexation of occupied Ukrainian territories, and the "Russian" bombing of the Nordstream pipelines, that the United States and NATO will start to directly strike the Russian military in Ukraine (including Crimea).

Putin will be told that if he retaliates against any NATO country, NATO's strikes will escalate to attack Russia generally.

Biden will couple this with a declaration of a "state of emergency", which will involve a major civil liberties crackdown, and Federal control of the upcoming midterm elections.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 30, 2022 12:15 PM (I2/tG)

111 PELOSI: "In Florida, some of the farmers and the growers [are] saying 'why are you shipping these immigrants up north? We need them to pick the crops down here.'"

https://bit.ly/3UUdLkD

Are you listening, Latinos? The patrician, animatronic harridan demands you be here to pick crops.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 30, 2022 12:16 PM (eyxn4)

112 On the whole I think this Ukraine mess is a net positive for the non-left in the West as long as we can manage to not get nuked. It's snapping the military out of a 30 year stupor where they pretended peer conflict and wartime industrial output weren't a thing anymore, while teaching us a ton of effective hobby-industry drone technologies that are going to bite the progs in the ass if/when things ever go hot here at home.

People want to whine about the "spending", but in reality it's mostly a forced refresh of our old vehicle and weapon stocks, and doesn't really move the needle vs domestic money printing.

Posted by: somedood at September 30, 2022 12:16 PM (BbSpR)

113 With Russia's annexation move, this makes perfect sense as a counter to that. I wonder if NATO will agree? With the new leadership in the UK and Italy it will be interesting if that changes anything

Acceptance is not happening Unless NATO want to go to war with Russia

Considering that they're lining things up to justify dropping nukes... They're either gunning for a war, or banking on the West appeasing them. Again.

UGH . ..Hungary Orban is a ass kisser for Putin.

Putin just started WW3

Posted by: Intrepid Democratic Underground AoS Liaison at September 30, 2022 12:16 PM (JCZqz)

114 #37
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 30, 2022 12:07 PM
****
I've decided you're a total moron

Putin is an ex-KGB colonel. The ONLY thing he believes is that everything should be his

And that he'll babble whatever he needs to to get stupid losers like you to be his useful idiots

Posted by: Greg the Class Traitor at September 30, 2022 12:16 PM (XbP7q)

115 don't get my hopes up, you tease...
Posted by: SturmToddler at September 30, 2022 12:13 PM (Mkvkw)

We won't get nuked, at least directly. We'll get EMPed and have to live through a One Second After scenario.

Better move to the Midwest.

Posted by: Thrawn at September 30, 2022 12:16 PM (Rl7KJ)

116 Read the above link. Somebody who knows what he's talking about doesn't buy the sabotage angle. Russian pipes blow up all the time because lousy maintenance.
Posted by: Grant Swinger at September 30, 2022 12:04 PM (p0isf)

Food production factories and distribution centers catch fire all the time. Young adults die for no apparent reason all the time. Nothing to see here and, if there is anything to see, it's all Putin's fault.

Remember IUTHADN's Maxim on Information About Eastern Europe: Everything you're told is a lie. Even if it accidentally happens to be the truth, it's a lie.

Regardless of who's at fault, regardless of who's the bad guy, regardless of everything...the Ukraine conflict is, for the United States, a conflict of CHOICE. We have zero actual national interest.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at September 30, 2022 12:16 PM (z99Zw)

117 12 https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html

Read the above link. Somebody who knows what he's talking about doesn't buy the sabotage angle. Russian pipes blow up all the time because lousy maintenance.
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I think I read yesterday that maintenance is done by a German company (Russia is largest stakeholder), so I wonder who actually staffs it?

Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs

Yeah Ima gonna call bullshit on that angle. Complete and utter bullshit.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at September 30, 2022 12:16 PM (u4CEu)

118 There is no downside to China for whacking the pipe. That's part of why I think China flipped to truly hostile from competitive after the reality of USMCA set in. China knows they will win, why be merciful to suicidal megalomaniacal lunatics?

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at September 30, 2022 12:17 PM (ki3oM)

119 "Biden will couple this with a declaration of a "state of emergency", which will involve a major civil liberties crackdown, and Federal control of the upcoming midterm elections.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 30, 2022 12:15 PM (I2/tG)"

This will be a massive fuckup if they do it. I hope they do it.

Posted by: somedood at September 30, 2022 12:17 PM (BbSpR)

120 11 Maybe it's time for the media to start actually reporting on Russia, Russia, Russia.
Posted by: Roy at September 30, 2022 12:03 PM (HD1Rz)

How about Ukraine/Biden Crime Family, Ukraine/Biden Crime Family, Ukraine/Biden Crime Family?

Posted by: Flyover's Kohlrabi at September 30, 2022 12:17 PM (Rbu5d)

121 On the other hand, we have a lot more information sources than the Germans had in 1939. Our problem is sorting the wheat from the chaff in time to make a reasoned decision. I do see several lessons if we live through all this--a) the defense industry needs a severe downsizing, b) we should maintain domestic production of key strategic materials and their production, c) we should not go abroad seeking monsters to slay.
Posted by: whig at September 30, 2022 12:13 PM (CXr4y)

I like your prescriptions, but I did not need this proxy war to think they were good ideas.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 30, 2022 12:17 PM (5r4XQ)

122 > Are you listening, Latinos? The patrician, animatronic harridan demands you be here to pick crops.

The so-called "left" doesn't even pretend to be about the working class any more.

They don't give a shit how many blue collar workers lose their jobs, as long as they can get cheap landscapers, nannies, and cooks.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at September 30, 2022 12:17 PM (bW8dp)

123 Régime Change!!eleventy

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 30, 2022 12:17 PM (4I/2K)

124 Unsaid, globohomo wants Putin out and that’s what will happen, even if it means war..

Posted by: MAGA_Ken at September 30, 2022 12:17 PM (wZr8r)

125 Putin invaded Ukraine in 2014

After an American-engineered coup overthrew the pro-Russian government in Kiev.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 30, 2022 12:17 PM (I2/tG)

126 Too much about Putin's dick. didn't read.
Posted by: Dr. Claw

So you're saying it was too long, so you didn't read?

Posted by: She Hobbit at September 30, 2022 12:17 PM (ftFVW)

127 Nevertrump got far more worked up about N Korea's one warhead that could maybe reach the US than they do about the hundreds of ICBMs the Ruskies have. Wonder why that is?

Posted by: 29Victor at September 30, 2022 12:17 PM (BJKQV)

128 Exactly how long after we pulled outa A-stan did Ukraine start?
Posted by: Yo! Ultra MAGA at September 30, 2022

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Six months, I think. The A-stan withdrawal was in August of last year, and the Ukraine boogaloo started in February?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius, dreaming of Elsewhere at September 30, 2022 12:17 PM (J2vNu)

129 Posted by: Greg the Class Traitor at September 30, 2022 12:16 PM (XbP7q)

Disagree all you want, but nix the personal attacks.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at September 30, 2022 12:17 PM (XvPQV)

130 The 'Smart Set' is getting us into World War III

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 30, 2022 12:18 PM (OEEK4)

131 I wouldn't be surprised if their reference point is the Cuban Missile Crisis.

*

It is.

Dont' forget, though, that we have bioweapons facilities in Ukraine.

So... Which side of the Cuban Missile Crisis does that put us on this time?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 30, 2022 12:18 PM (wXOk6)

132 59 Putin is still a shit heel. He'd have to cap Soros personally (or I'd take having it done) to get even grudging approval from me.
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From your lips to God's ear.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 30, 2022 12:18 PM (bA3Ln)

133 44 > I thought you were more bothered by the Holodomor than you appear to be

Wow, talk about a non sequitur.
Posted by: bonhomme at September 30, 2022 12:08 PM (eyxn4)

What, are you stupid enough to believe it wouldn't be repeated after Russia took over Ukraine?

News flash: All of Putin's oligarch buddies are "former" Commies. WTF do you think they're going to do when they take over a place that doesn't want to be their slaves?

Posted by: Greg the Class Traitor at September 30, 2022 12:18 PM (XbP7q)

134 Read the above link. Somebody who knows what he's talking about doesn't buy the sabotage angle. Russian pipes blow up all the time because lousy maintenance.
Posted by: Grant Swinger at September 30, 2022 12:04 PM (p0isf)

Yep. They self-destructed themselves into oblivion just seven months after Joe Biden vowed to "end" them. How conveeeenient!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 30, 2022 12:18 PM (+KhTi)

135 Posted by: Greg the Class Traitor at September 30, 2022 12:16 PM (XbP7q)

You are just delightful.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 30, 2022 12:18 PM (5r4XQ)

136 129 Disagree all you want, but nix the personal attacks.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at September 30, 2022 12:17 PM (XvPQV)

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*considers mentioning Prometheus*

*thinks better of mentioning Prometheus and does not mention Prometheus*

*does own part to keep thread Prometheus free*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 30, 2022 12:18 PM (LvTSG)

137 23...The bullshit and the money keep the biolabs open and quiet.
Posted by: Axeman at September 30, 2022 12:05 PM (krQz2)

Funny how we don't hear much about those bioweapon labs anymore...

Posted by: Flyover's Kohlrabi at September 30, 2022 12:19 PM (Rbu5d)

138 He wants accelerated NATO status so he can call in their troops to fight Russia. Running out of Ukranian cannon fodder.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 30, 2022 12:14 PM (lTGtQ)
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Yup. And we would have to.

Is SEATO still around?

Posted by: Axeman at September 30, 2022 12:19 PM (krQz2)

139 The Russia maintenance sucks hence the pipe blew up guy is talking out of his ass. Since about 2001 when American companies started operating in the FSU and brought their contractors this has become a myth.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at September 30, 2022 12:19 PM (oWBc3)

140 How long before we see another Z telegram?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 30, 2022 12:19 PM (OEEK4)

141 @74 One explosion might be an accident, three? That's enemy action.

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Or, as Lawdog notes, the very natural result of someone trying to clear both pipelines at the same time, but in the wrong fashion.

Posted by: junior at September 30, 2022 12:19 PM (pCVnB)

142 126 Too much about Putin's dick. didn't read.
Posted by: Dr. Claw

So you're saying it was too long, so you didn't read?
Posted by: She Hobbit at September 30, 2022 12:17 PM

Well, I don't like to brag, but...

Posted by: Vladimir Putin at September 30, 2022 12:19 PM (JCZqz)

143 And that he'll babble whatever he needs to to get stupid losers like you to be his useful idiots
Posted by: Greg the Class Traitor at September 30, 2022 12:16 PM (XbP7q)

Greg, honey, is it supposed to be this soft?

Posted by: Babs at September 30, 2022 12:19 PM (4I/2K)

144 Is this the next step? Is this how the neocon/neoliberal foreign policy establishment makes the War of Vengeance Against Russia for Hacking the 2016 Election, which they promised would never happen, happen?

Its all a re-run of 1930s FDR. Back then, we allied with and supported the Communist - Stalin - that killed Jews, Ukrainians, and anybody else he could Holodomor at a greater rate than the Fascist - Hitler. But it all worked out, for the political elites that needed a war to indoctrinate multiple generations on the idea of big government.

Now, we'll back the tyrant in Ukraine against the other tyrant in Russia, and clap like retarded seals as we "are asked to make sacrifices for the greater good". And some will be genuinely happy as their boys go off to war, because it will make men out of them. Everything old becomes new again. Next, we'll wear bell bottoms I guess.

Posted by: Mustang at September 30, 2022 12:19 PM (gAzHd)

145 106 Ukraine is nothing but a giant money laundering scheme. The rich and powerful are getting billions while the rest of the world freezes and starved.

Fuck Zelensky. He's a filthy lying traitor to his people. I'm so sick of his green tshirt and his fake tears. Fuck him.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 30, 2022 12:15 PM (1GRHN)
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The country is corrupt to the core, I hated seeing all those Ukraine flags all over the damn place here like that country was governed by Snow White.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at September 30, 2022 12:20 PM (RG7Wy)

146 Funny how we don't hear much about those bioweapon labs anymore...
Posted by: Flyover's Kohlrabi at September 30, 2022 12:19 PM (Rbu5d)
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Putin, if he's not bullshitting, said he's going to release all the info.

But he might still be using it as a pressuring tactic...

Posted by: Axeman at September 30, 2022 12:20 PM (krQz2)

147 Hey Whig -
Last thread... Nice work posting that link to the petroleum industry guy's explanation of pipeline hydrates.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 30, 2022 12:20 PM (9DzIW)

148 Wait, is Russia trying to take over western Ukraine, or just the eastern part where the pro-Russian people are and why Zelensky decided there shouldn't be any opposition political parties?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 30, 2022 12:20 PM (wXOk6)

149 53 "Greg the Class Traitor", your fantasy of recent history is boring, and stupid. The actual history is more eluminating.
Posted by: rhomboid at September 30, 2022 12:09 PM (OTzUX)
*****

Really?

So Putin didn't invade Ukraine in 2014? It was all "spontaneous uprisings" by "concerned citizens"?

Just how stupid are you?

Posted by: Greg the Class Traitor at September 30, 2022 12:20 PM (XbP7q)

150 >>What, are you stupid enough to believe it wouldn't be repeated after Russia took over Ukraine?

>>News flash: All of Putin's oligarch buddies are "former" Commies. WTF do you think they're going to do when they take over a place that doesn't want to be their slaves?

Get a load of this Retard.

Posted by: garrett at September 30, 2022 12:20 PM (NUExE)

151 *does own part to keep thread Prometheus free*
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 30, 2022 12:18 PM (LvTSG)

Actually, I'd take a Prometheus punching bag thread right about now.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 30, 2022 12:21 PM (5r4XQ)

152 That damn Trump!

Posted by: democrats, Raping and Mutilating the Children TheyCannot Kill Since 1973! at September 30, 2022 12:21 PM (HNeZy)

153 Evidently, greg does not see the irony of using the "useful" idiot slur.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 30, 2022 12:21 PM (5pTK/)

154 Posted by: Greg the Class Traitor at September 30, 2022 12:09 PM (XbP7q)

You seem to feel strongly about this? Why haven't you volunteered to serve in Ukraine to save the world from the evil Putin?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at September 30, 2022 12:21 PM (z99Zw)

155 Wandered in while having my tea to see the current thoughts...

Sees multiple long time posters dropping F bombs back and forth at each other...

Steps back out and waits for the "Biden done showed his dementia again" thread later...or maybe the "yep, we still have inflation inflation, not Joe's 0 inflation"...

Posted by: Nova local at September 30, 2022 12:21 PM (exHjb)

156 The bad guy is sitting in the White House.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 30, 2022 12:21 PM (ZLI7S)

157 >>>I still just don't give a shit about who is to blame, figuring out who is a good guy, or where the proper boundaries between these countries half a world away should be. It does not affect me. This is two feudal warlords fighting over property. I don't give a shit.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 30, 2022 12:14 PM

I also give no shits. Ukraine is just a hole into which graft money is poured for laundering purposes and pulled out spanking clean by the defense industries.

Posted by: huerfano, stochastic commenter at September 30, 2022 12:21 PM (dTFZY)

158 Andrea Bocelli, the Italian operatic singer, is suing New Hampshire-based Private Jet Services Group over breach-of-contract allegations that the firm gave him a noisy, cold private jet with personnel who warned of possible turbulence against his wishes.
Mr. Bocelli, blinded by a soccer injury in his childhood, has heightened hearing sensitivity, and he is particularly
“sensitive to the elevated noise that an older airplane tends to make in flight, with such elevated noise causing him more anxiety,” the lawsuit stated.
For this reason, Mr. Bocelli requires planes with certain specifications before arranging air travel for tours and other purposes.
Mr. Bocelli wanted “a Dassault Falcon 7X and Falcon 8X or, for flights under 4 or 5 hours, a Dassault Falcon 900 EX or EX Easy,
and the Falcon 2000LX,” and that the plane itself, no matter the model, had to be four years old or newer.
There is also a specification that aircrews not mention any turbulence or weather-related complications, so as not to inflamethe singer’s anxiety.
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Wait. He was blinded by Eurofag football?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 30, 2022 12:21 PM (FVME7)

159 Putin says that the annexations are irreversible, because Russia needs to "protect" the population in the annexed territories.

Ukraine has announced that taking any aid from the Russians in the occupied territories, voting in the referendums, or doing anything else in cooperation with the Russians is punishable by a twelve-year prison term.

Ukraine has criminalized the entire population of the occupied territories, so Putin's concern is not so far-fetched.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 30, 2022 12:21 PM (I2/tG)

160 Maybe Hungary and the Baltic states will nix
Posted by: kallisto at September 30, 2022 12:10 PM (dCxaZ)

If Ukraine goes, they're next. So no, they're not going to oppose stopping Russia in Ukraine

Posted by: Greg the Class Traitor at September 30, 2022 12:22 PM (XbP7q)

161 Years from now historians are going to wonder how it happened that ... (there's a catchall phrase)

... A beautiful actress with half of her face slouching does a video where she says she'd do it all again exactly the same. Trust the science!

Abraham was asked to sacrifice merely one son. And not at the altar of science.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 30, 2022 12:22 PM (44ww/)

162 Dont' forget, though, that we have bioweapons facilities in Ukraine.
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Good point.
Anyone who gets sent to the region had better take their chemical suit along. They will use those first.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 30, 2022 12:22 PM (anj39)

163 Get a load of this Retard.
Posted by: garrett at September 30, 2022 12:20 PM (NUExE)

garrett, that is needlessly insulting to TJM.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 30, 2022 12:22 PM (5r4XQ)

164 Ukraine, according to NATO rules, is not eligible because of its corruption and its bad relationship with neighbors (Russia). There is no basis to admit Ukraine unless this was the plan all along (while gutting Europe's economy, which will be the slow death of the EU).

Posted by: Coki at September 30, 2022 12:22 PM (OPsd+)

165 Wait, is Russia trying to take over western Ukraine, or just the eastern part where the pro-Russian people are and why Zelensky decided there shouldn't be any opposition political parties?

Posted by: Moron Robbie

Add at the end:
And where the Ukrainian military has been killing thousands of civilians for nearly a decade.

Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 30, 2022 12:22 PM (lTGtQ)

166 > What, are you stupid enough to believe it wouldn't be repeated after Russia took over Ukraine?

I guess so. Given Putin has been fairly restrained in this war so far, I don't see him intentionally starving millions of people.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 30, 2022 12:22 PM (eyxn4)

167 As I said yesterday, we have a handful of megalomaniacs who are f*cking with life on Earth as we know it. Hard to process.
Posted by: Notorious BFD
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Stan knows his peeps.

Posted by: SMH at September 30, 2022 12:22 PM (tKb8s)

168 President Joe Biden’s nominee to lead the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) failed to make it out of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee on Wednesday amid the controversy surrounding the FBI’s raid on Mar-a-Lago.

Republican senators focused on the Mar-a-Lago raid during Colleen Shogan’s testimony last Wednesday.

Posted by: SMOD at September 30, 2022 12:22 PM (RHGPo)

169 No nukes will be used, and 2016 election idiocy (and the completely baseless nonsense about Russian interference has always been just that, baseless) isn't the "reason" for any policy today. And every other attempt to fit actual real world foreign dynamics into often flimsy domestic political formats is also silly.

There is an actual real world out there that often does stupid destructive things without regard to any US policy or preference or faction or whatever. This is haaaard, because one must do more than cram every development into a simplistic (and often totally false, anyway) pre-existing US domestic framework.

But this is not fashionable to understand.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 30, 2022 12:22 PM (OTzUX)

170 Add at the end:
And where the Ukrainian military has been killing thousands of civilians for nearly a decade.
Posted by: Thomas Paine

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SHUT UP PUTIN LOVIN HOLODOMOR DENIRE

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 30, 2022 12:23 PM (wXOk6)

171 If Ukraine goes, they're next. So no, they're not going to oppose stopping Russia in Ukraine

Posted by: Greg the Class Traitor at September 30, 2022 12:22 PM (XbP7q)

OK, I'll defer to the Foreign Policy Expert and Knower of All Things Past, Present and Future that is you.

YOU RAWK

Posted by: kallisto at September 30, 2022 12:23 PM (dCxaZ)

172 One explosion might be an accident, three? That's enemy action.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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The gap in time between explosions is covered in the explanation. Basically, the Russians were trying to restart operations, remember Nord 1 was taken off line for repairs supposedly anyway by Russia.

I regard lawdawg's explanations as equally plausible as the sabotage hypotheses because at this time, all we know is both Nordstream pipelines ruptured in the same day, both Russia and the US, perhaps more countries, have the ability to sabotage the pipelines, and that both Biden and State Dept have made past claims that the pipelines would be stopped. If sabotage occurred, the US is the more likely party as it has the most to benefit. If incompetence in maintenance occurred, the Russians are certainly most capable in that area.

Posted by: whig at September 30, 2022 12:23 PM (CXr4y)

173 Greg, you're too short for this ride.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at September 30, 2022 12:23 PM (YJwUM)

174 Wars have a way of corralling the innocent and vulnerable.

Posted by: Coki at September 30, 2022 12:23 PM (OPsd+)

175 In the Great War the US entered on the side of the assassin because of German actions.

So what's gnu this time?

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 30, 2022 12:23 PM (OEEK4)

176 Matthew 24:6

6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at September 30, 2022 12:23 PM (C7jzY)

177 Good grief. The dunderheads of 1914 who plunged Europe into the Great War were paragons of high statesmanship compared to today’s world “leaders.”

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 30, 2022 12:23 PM (AIR/R)

178 Posted by: Greg the Class Traitor at September 30, 2022 12:16 PM (XbP7q)

You DICK!!!!

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at September 30, 2022 12:23 PM (Zz0t1)

179 >Posted by: Greg the Class Traitor at September 30, 2022 12:09 PM (XbP7q)

Gerg, care to address Ukraine's shelling of its Russia-supporting regions? Or the Color Revolution?

Fuck that sawed off little tyrant Zelensky. No American sons and daughters to die for him, nor should he get any of our treasure. Let the Europeans give him a blood tribute if they want. I hope Russia and Ukraine both take it in the ass, and they drag the EU down with them.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at September 30, 2022 12:23 PM (q7CJ4)

180 We need to know our enemy in order to defeat him/them.

THE enemy is within, the DeepState is now in the open. But do we know which group is running which?

WEF and the "world banks" (20 of them are listed/protected) are near the top of the list. But so many are bought off by China that the CCP must be a major player. My thought is still it was strategic for USA to have at least a detente with Russia, to make an alliance with them and India against China.

instead for whatever reason, the BRICS are made stronger, which also weakens our "Quad" (US/India/Japan/Australia) ... in the East. Not sure how the globalists plan to win with that strategy, unless they are content with their Bunker Utopia in New Zealand as the world is nuked.

Posted by: illiniwek at September 30, 2022 12:23 PM (Cus5s)

181 Expect shit to go down re Taiwan in October too. Gonna be a crazy, unbelievably wild month.

Posted by: Top Of gp's Mind at September 30, 2022 12:23 PM (24fqN)

182 News flash: All of Putin's oligarch buddies are "former" Commies. WTF do you think they're going to do when they take over a place that doesn't want to be their slaves?
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So are Zelensky's oligarchs. Add Manhattan oligarchs and you are looking at the New World Order.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 30, 2022 12:24 PM (bA3Ln)

183 Posted by: Grant Swinger at September 30, 2022 12:04 PM (p0isf)

It's certainly possible it failed at a bad time or Russian operators screwed something up and caused a failure unintentionally.

His argument is way too rigid, though. The idea that the explosions were 17 hours apart therefore it couldn't have been sabotage is a stretch. Special forces screw things up all the time. Also the explosions could have been intentionally timed that far apart to introduce some deniability. It's not nearly the refutation he's making it out to be.

Posted by: Sjg at September 30, 2022 12:24 PM (gDSJf)

184 F--k Zelinskyyy
F--k Ukraine
F--k Putin

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at September 30, 2022 12:24 PM (EGSGm)

185 Wait. He was blinded by Eurofag football?

That's why I don't watch it. Better safe than sorry.

Posted by: Oddbob at September 30, 2022 12:24 PM (nfrXX)

186 This Greg the Class Traitor pyrsyn sure is easily triggered

Posted by: kallisto at September 30, 2022 12:24 PM (dCxaZ)

187 Or, as Lawdog notes, the very natural result of someone trying to clear both pipelines at the same time, but in the wrong fashion.
Posted by: junior at September 30, 2022 12:19 PM (pCVnB)

It's a theory, it's just one I can't see being executed THREE times in a row.

I think even Russians learn from their catastrophes.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at September 30, 2022 12:24 PM (XvPQV)

188 153 Evidently, greg does not see the irony of using the "useful" idiot slur.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 30, 2022 12:21 PM (5pTK/)

The only thing I know is that I know nothing.

Didn't we used to have a 'socrates' 'ron? The first letter was lower case, like ace when he has not had his penis cream.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 30, 2022 12:24 PM (5r4XQ)

189 This Greg the Class Traitor pyrsyn sure is easily triggered
Posted by: kallisto at September 30, 2022 12:24 PM (dCxaZ)
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And kind of stupid.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 30, 2022 12:24 PM (5pTK/)

190 Brace for a wave of immigration from Europe.

Posted by: Coki at September 30, 2022 12:25 PM (OPsd+)

191 164 Ukraine, according to NATO rules, is not eligible because of its corruption and its bad relationship with neighbors (Russia). There is no basis to admit Ukraine unless this was the plan all along (while gutting Europe's economy, which will be the slow death of the EU).

Posted by: Coki
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It is not going to happen. Both Turkey and Hungary have not signed off on Finland and Sweden joining. I really doubt that they would sign off on Ukraine. Joining NATO has to have a unanimous vote from existing members.

Posted by: whig at September 30, 2022 12:25 PM (CXr4y)

192 Zelensky has DC by the short hairs. If they stop sending money or refuse the NATO demand, he'll just go public with the receipts on "The big guy" and the rest of the corruptocrats and toileticians involved in the Uke money laundering scheme.

Posted by: Fool Otto at September 30, 2022 12:25 PM (DB16e)

193 I wonder how the German people felt in 1941. What info were they getting? What did they think was happening? Did they know in October that it was looking bad? After Moscow? What were they told about Moscow? Battle of Britain? '42? '43? D-Day?

It is hard to know what people are doing and what they were thinking 80 years later when we have info from both sides (and can pierce through the obvious horseshit.) From inside the rowboat it is much harder.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop

An excellent book on this subject is "The German War" by Nicholas Stargardt. He mines letters between soldiers and their families at home from pre-war to the very end to give a good account of "What the German People knew, and when they knew it." And of course what they were feeling about the war.

One yuge takeaway from the book for me was that as early as fall of 1941, every adult German knew for a fact that the Wehrmacht, SS and assorted others were slaughtering the Jews wholesale wherever they found them. And as a matter of national thought, the Germans believed that the massive Allied bombing campaigns against their cities were specifically in retaliation for their slaughter of the Jews.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 30, 2022 12:25 PM (zrlG8)

194 181 Expect shit to go down re Taiwan in October too. Gonna be a crazy, unbelievably wild month.
Posted by: Top Of gp's Mind at September 30, 2022 12:23 PM (24fqN)

I honestly thought Taiwan would have been invaded months ago.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at September 30, 2022 12:25 PM (XvPQV)

195 Meh.

We're not the World's Police. If there's a regional conflict that ends in genocide half a world away, I'm going to need a more realpolitik reason for why it concerns us beyond, "It's the right thing to do."

We can't fix every one of the world's ills. We aren't in the business of that.

That's assuming another Holodomor is actually coming, which seems like wishcasting at best.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 30, 2022 12:25 PM (LvTSG)

196 Buy potassium iodide.

Better to have it and not need it ...

Posted by: one of the quiet ones at September 30, 2022 12:25 PM (pRzWi)

197 If Ukraine goes, they're next. So no, they're not going to oppose stopping Russia in Ukraine

LOL. Hungary, along with Turkey, is still blocking Finland and Sweden from joining NATO.

I doubt that Hungary wants to start World War III, whatever what the rest of NATO may think.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 30, 2022 12:25 PM (I2/tG)

198 181 Expect shit to go down re Taiwan in October too. Gonna be a crazy, unbelievably wild month.
Posted by: Top Of gp's Mind at September 30, 2022 12:23 PM (24fqN)

Red October?

Posted by: Thrawn at September 30, 2022 12:25 PM (Rl7KJ)

199 Never underestimate Russian incompetence. On the other hand, never underestimate Putin's evil.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 30, 2022 12:26 PM (FVME7)

200 181 Expect shit to go down re Taiwan in October too. Gonna be a crazy, unbelievably wild month.
Posted by: Top Of gp's Mind at September 30, 2022 12:23 PM (24fqN)

Is it wrong that I actually feel something for Taiwan's situation? Eh, I don't care. I do.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 30, 2022 12:26 PM (5r4XQ)

201 >>>The 'Smart Set' is getting us into World War III

>We're already there. The only leg left of the big three is nukes and China will orchestrate that in the Baltic.

Bio warfare = COVID
Chem warfare = Fentanyl
Nuke warfare = Russia/Ukraine/UK

Posted by: Dr. Bone at September 30, 2022 12:26 PM (z+OQR)

202 Wait. He was blinded by Eurofag football?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 30, 2022 12:21 PM (FVME7)

He should take the train...get a tour bus.

Posted by: BignJames at September 30, 2022 12:26 PM (AwYPR)

203 192 Zelensky has DC by the short hairs. If they stop sending money or refuse the NATO demand, he'll just go public with the receipts on "The big guy" and the rest of the corruptocrats and toileticians involved in the Uke money laundering scheme.
Posted by: Fool Otto at September 30, 2022 12:25 PM (DB16e)

=========

He could print the receipts and the press would simply not report on it. The world would forget about it within a year.

We've seen this before. It was called the Panama Papers.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 30, 2022 12:26 PM (LvTSG)

204 The Left is all in on committing other people's money and children to avenge historical injustices.
Posted by: Oddbob

I'm entirely in on paying someone else to fight and die to keep new injustices from happening.

Because, not being a complete dumb*ck, I understand that Russia expansion always leads to massive injustice.

And I'd much rather that the fighting and dying be done by Ukrainians, than by Americans.

Apparently you want Putin to get more powerful so that he can more easily attack us.

Or else maybe you're such a moron that you missed that Putin's been the enemy of America for this entire century.

Posted by: Greg the Class Traitor at September 30, 2022 12:26 PM (XbP7q)

205 Brace for a wave of immigration from Europe.

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Oh thank goodness.
- Hotel owners in the northeast and along the coast whose clientele don't like to be around brown people

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 30, 2022 12:26 PM (wXOk6)

206 And that he'll babble whatever he needs to to get stupid losers like you to be his useful idiots
Posted by: Greg the Class Traitor at September 30, 2022 12:16 PM (XbP7q)
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I'm not quite the useful idiot Biden is.
...
for some definitions of "useful".

Posted by: Axeman at September 30, 2022 12:26 PM (krQz2)

207 There are no good guys in this war. And that includes the US.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at September 30, 2022 12:26 PM (BdMk6)

208 138 He wants accelerated NATO status so he can call in their troops to fight Russia. Running out of Ukranian cannon fodder.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 30, 2022 12:14 PM (lTGtQ)
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Yup. And we would have to.

Posted by: Axeman at September 30, 2022 12:19 PM

Kind of. The NATO charter is pretty brief, and doesn't really lay out response requirements. Sure, we're supposed to support, but each nation chooses by how much. As much as NATO and most European leftists want Putin out, i don't think they really want a war with Russia. Europe ALSO doesn't want this dragging out through the winter.

If I were Zelenskyy, I'd be terrified of Europe throwing me under the bus, and therefore making ever increasingly public pleas for assistance to make that politically unpalatable. Which is exactly what's happening.

Posted by: Military Moron at September 30, 2022 12:26 PM (JCZqz)

209
Per the previous thread, re: Unilever going woke...

https://tinyurl.com/2p8es7uj

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 30, 2022 12:26 PM (oINRc)

210 Read the above link. Somebody who knows what he's talking about doesn't buy the sabotage angle. Russian pipes blow up all the time because lousy maintenance.
Posted by: Grant Swinger at September 30, 2022 12:04 PM (p0isf)

Can you say Lusitania?

Posted by: DaisyB at September 30, 2022 12:26 PM (AbL8c)

211 what the hell, might as well fast-track Ukraine in so we can give the MIC/WEF exactly what they wanted - global thermonuclear war.

I like the "declare Russia a terrorist nation" when it was the FUSA that just acted in economic terrorism by blowing up NS1 and NS2 as an encore to dramatically increasing the Taliban's ability to wage war through tens of billions in military hardware and continual aid.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at September 30, 2022 12:26 PM (ceWUn)

212 Thanks Guys, but I can stand up for myself.
Greg, the point I was making was that our administration is completly amoral in it's current stances, not that Putin is a wonderful person and I think he should conquer Ukraine. But give him credit for reading the electorate here better than the Klain White House.
The US average citizen doesn't care about Ukraine. They care about the social and fiscal issues that are destroying us from within.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 30, 2022 12:27 PM (Y+l9t)

213 I bet gerg believes Putin "hacked the election" in 2020, too.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 30, 2022 12:27 PM (Zz0t1)

214

Thomas Massie
@RepThomasMassie

1h
The Senate, not the House, votes on treaties, but adding Ukraine to NATO during a war would constitute an escalation toward US engagement in war. Furthermore, Article V of NATO would not Constitutionally permit the President to engage in war without a vote of the whole Congress

Posted by: redridinghood at September 30, 2022 12:27 PM (NpAcC)

215 Wait. He was blinded by Eurofag football?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 30, 2022 12:21 PM (FVME7)

A little know factoid is that he was called Wilson as a kid because his head looked exactly like a soccer ball. One day the other kids got confused...

Posted by: Diogenes at September 30, 2022 12:27 PM (anj39)

216 2016...damn brain.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 30, 2022 12:27 PM (Zz0t1)

217 Seeing neocons flailing around trying their old talking points and failing miserably is pretty amusing. Honey, this isn't Free Republic c. 2004.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at September 30, 2022 12:27 PM (q7CJ4)

218 If the nukes start flying around the time of the Texas MoMe, Corsicana will be home base to a group of survivors as they attempt to sustain and protect themselves from others willing to use any means necessary to stay alive.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at September 30, 2022 12:27 PM (RG7Wy)

219 DURING PRIDE MONTH?!?!

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 30, 2022 12:27 PM (vpULL)

220 8 It strikes me as odd that we have a foreign head of state that is embroiled in a ware demanding - not lobbying, not asking, not begging, but *demanding* - that other states escalate that war on its behalf.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

--1

Almost like Zelinskyy has blackmail materials on the woke western leadership

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at September 30, 2022 12:27 PM (EGSGm)

221 If Ukraine goes, they're next. So no, they're not going to oppose stopping Russia in Ukraine

Hungary is also pissed at Ukraine because Ukraine has announced that the sole language of instruction in Ukrainian schools will be Ukrainian (even in 100% Russian speaking areas). There is a small piece of Ukraine that is Hungarian-speaking, but now all their schools will teach solely in Ukrainian.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 30, 2022 12:27 PM (I2/tG)

222 If sabotage occurred, the US is the more likely party as it has the most to benefit. If incompetence in maintenance occurred, the Russians are certainly most capable in that area.
Posted by: whig at September 30, 2022 12:23 PM (CXr4y)

The technical explanation could also been the tool used to intentionally destroy the line. All it would take is someone on the western end depressurizing the line without the knowledge of the eastern end.

Just putting that out there.

Frankly, I'm baffled by the Russian silence on the matter, as I would have expected much howling and finger pointing by now.

Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at September 30, 2022 12:28 PM (MkuC5)

223 Male Russian refugees are going to Serbia, traditionally a friend to Russia. They are brothers in faith as my friends would say. This whole thing is all kinds of upside down.

Posted by: Mishdog at September 30, 2022 12:28 PM (uwW33)

224 Today's leaders are rehabilitating the status of Chamberlain as a master statesman.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 30, 2022 12:28 PM (OEEK4)

225 "This is as solid a breakdown and analysis as anything else I have seen. Less shrill and glazed over at the very least.*

*not trying to be damning with faint praise there.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 30, 2022 12:15 PM (5r4XQ)"

Just because this was a setup doesn't mean the Russians aren't actually bad guys, or that the Ukrainians deserve this. That's part of why it works so well.

Meanwhile we have a bunch of historical illiterates - some even here - failing to grasp how this is a proxy war between a century old psychopathic authoritarian cult and their Western prodigal prog sons, while the Eastern heretics from the same cult munch popcorn.

But, but, they money! Yes, the money. Oh no. They've spent 3-4 years worth of "oops we lost track of these funds" from State Dept/DoD so far. Or, put into perspective, they've spent roughly TEN DAYS worth of money printing. How are we ever going to recover from this.

Posted by: somedood at September 30, 2022 12:28 PM (BbSpR)

226 Putin is an ex-KGB colonel. The ONLY thing he believes is that everything should be his

And that he'll babble whatever he needs to to get stupid losers like you to be his useful idiots
Posted by: Greg the Class Traitor at September 30, 2022 12:16 PM (XbP7q)

Faggots in the West are extremely butthurt that Putin put the kibosh on exporting Russian orphans to be adopted by gay "married" couples. This explains a lot.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 30, 2022 12:28 PM (+KhTi)

227 Gerg, care to address Ukraine's shelling of its Russia-supporting regions? Or the Color Revolution?

Its hard for people to process - because people are mostly dumb. All the same, the first artillery shells that fell on cities like Luhansk came from Ukrainian guns. Not Russian guns.

Posted by: Mustang at September 30, 2022 12:29 PM (gAzHd)

228 Chem warfare = Fentanyl

*

Yep. There's apparently a fairly decent case to be made that IIRC every third fentanyl pill that reaches the U.S. is dosed in a way to kill the user, and apparently China is behind it.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 30, 2022 12:29 PM (wXOk6)

229 Obviously Martha's Vineyard has, or think it has, a way to survive a nuclear war.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes...

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at September 30, 2022 12:29 PM (nMx88)

230 I just refuse to jump on the Ukraine bandwagon. This is bad shit, all the way down.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 30, 2022 12:29 PM (Xrfse)

231 Imma go take a hot shower.......maybe that'll help.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 30, 2022 12:29 PM (Zz0t1)

232 77 My opinion has always been Russia and Ukraine can go play with each other all they want and I couldn't care what happens.
Posted by: Skip's phone at September 30, 2022 12:12 PM (HvsED)

Then you're a complete and utter hysterical ignoramus

Do you WANT another US - Russia Cold War? Don't think the last one did enough damage to the US?

Russia under Putin is our enemy, and always will be. If you want your enemies to get more powerful, you are a loser

Posted by: Greg the Class Traitor at September 30, 2022 12:29 PM (XbP7q)

233 Posted by: Greg the Class Traitor at September 30, 2022 12:16 PM (XbP7q)

Some of us aren't quite as hot for starting World War III as you are.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 30, 2022 12:29 PM (I2/tG)

234 The obvious tell that Russia intended to "take" all of Ukraine was the use of a comically small force to menace the capital. But of course the plan was already clear, from Russia's consistent position throughout the Minsk process (which Ukraine flagrantly violated without a peep from the western "guarantors") that D & L are Ukrainian territory.

And of course the negotiations in March which proceeded fairly quickly, were very substantive, and of course were based on Ukraine remaining a different country.

All obvious give-aways that Moscow wanted the whole country.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 30, 2022 12:29 PM (OTzUX)

235 Show me the money!

Posted by: The Z-Man at September 30, 2022 12:29 PM (AMIL/)

236 Andrea Bocelli, the Italian operatic singer, is suing New Hampshire-based Private Jet Services Group over breach-of-contract allegations that the firm gave him a noisy, cold private jet with personnel who warned of possible turbulence against his wishes. ...
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 30, 2022 12:21 PM (FVME7)
++++
The list of demands and rationale for them sound absurd and maybe they are, but if those things were negotiated in a legal contract to which both parties agreed and he can demonstrate that the terms of the contract were violated by the other party, then fair play.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 30, 2022 12:29 PM (t0OGg)

237 I wonder how the German people felt in 1941. What info were they getting? What did they think was happening? Did they know in October that it was looking bad? After Moscow? What were they told about Moscow? Battle of Britain? '42? '43? D-Day?

Well A-Dawg drew hundreds of thousands of Berliners to the streets when he took his "invasion" of Paris victory lap. And the initiation of Barbarossa made it look like the 1000 yr Reich was a done deal. But then Stalingrad happened, Italy leaving the Axis, and D-Day. Now A-Dawg's troops had a 3-front war going.
From German troops' memoirs, public sentiment started to turn on them around 1943.

Posted by: kallisto at September 30, 2022 12:29 PM (dCxaZ)

238 There is also a specification that aircrews not mention any turbulence or weather-related complications, so as not to inflame the singer’s anxiety.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks

Oh for fuck's sake. Okay, the man can sing but wow. Did he also demand no red M&Ms (or whatever)?

Posted by: Tonypete at September 30, 2022 12:29 PM (LsEU/)

239 I think even Russians learn from their catastrophes.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Wanna bet. Example A) the Russian Submarine program, Example B) the Russian carrier program, and so on. Same applies for US. Has California learned from its power failures going on nearly 20 years now? Would a subsequent Katrina II in New Orleans go any better than the first time?

Institutions rarely learn from catastrophes--individuals do which affect organizational behavior for a time, but organizations by and large do not.

Posted by: whig at September 30, 2022 12:29 PM (CXr4y)

240 199 Never underestimate Russian incompetence. On the other hand, never underestimate Putin's evil.
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Last time I looked, Putin threw the money lenders out of Russia and he is fully against buggering the little ones. I can't say that about Clinton, Obama or Biden. Easy choice for me.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 30, 2022 12:29 PM (bA3Ln)

241 Did you ever think that we'd remember Donald Trump for his prudence and restraint in foreign affairs?

Posted by: Eric at September 30, 2022 12:30 PM (SkX3I)

242 I regard lawdawg's explanations as equally plausible as the sabotage hypotheses because at this time, all we know is both Nordstream pipelines ruptured in the same day, both Russia and the US, perhaps more countries, have the ability to sabotage the pipelines, and that both Biden and State Dept have made past claims that the pipelines would be stopped. If sabotage occurred, the US is the more likely party as it has the most to benefit. If incompetence in maintenance occurred, the Russians are certainly most capable in that area.
Posted by: whig at September 30, 2022 12:23 PM (CXr4y)

No argument. Russians suck at maintenance, as the Russian Army and Submarine arm of the Navy can attest. But...it smells too much for it to be three accidents.

As always, the Truth, beautiful or ugly, is likely concealed from us, deliberately.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at September 30, 2022 12:30 PM (XvPQV)

243 Americans in 1991: Thank God the risk of nuclear annihilation is over. It was worth it considering the fate of freedom for the whole world was at stake but...wow was that risky.

American politicians in 2022: A little nuclear war never hurt anyone...especially when you are trying to get the world population below 500M

Posted by: 18-1 at September 30, 2022 12:30 PM (ESjRY)

244 >This Greg the Class Traitor pyrsyn sure is easily triggered
Posted by: kallisto at September 30, 2022 12:24 PM (dCxaZ)

It's reaching terlit hobo levels of meltdown.

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at September 30, 2022 12:30 PM (q7CJ4)

245 Putin can't lose to Ukraine and survive. Russians regard Ukrainians as not much better than cattle. Losing to Ukraine is a complete humiliation. He'd have to go. Putin can lose to NATO and survive. NATO is the hyperpower. Putin can spin not being ousted by NATO as "win" domestically. This is Putin's "off-ramp".

Posted by: occam's brassiere at September 30, 2022 12:30 PM (bqq7p)

246 Greg doesn't realize he's arguing by stipulation.

1. X is very important
2. If you don't agree with me, you're jeopardizing X
3. You're a bad person for jeopardizing X!

#2 is the weak link, as it often is.

Posted by: Axeman at September 30, 2022 12:30 PM (krQz2)

247 Regime change? Pretty sure I've seen this movie before. The GOP e must be wetting themselves.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 30, 2022 12:30 PM (tDEa7)

248 Chem warfare = Fentanyl

*

Yep. There's apparently a fairly decent case to be made that IIRC every third fentanyl pill that reaches the U.S. is dosed in a way to kill the user, and apparently China is behind it.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 30, 2022 12:29 PM (wXOk6)
***

Another facet of hybrid war.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 30, 2022 12:30 PM (anj39)

249 Jordan Peterson's four reasons how and why this Russian-Ukraine mess came about.

1. The US and West's mismanagement of post-Soviet Russia and allowing expansion of NATO.
2. Hyper-reliance on Russian energy and foolish pursuit of green energy that sacrificed energy independence.
3. The historic expansionist tendencies of Russia that are roughly analogous to the Soviet notion of empire.
4. Putin's belief, or at least his success in manipulating belief among in his people, that Russia is the bulwark against insane Western wokism, i.e., that last refuge of sanity and Christendom.

Posted by: Ordinary American at September 30, 2022 12:30 PM (H8QX8)

250 Zaporozhian Cossacks to the Turkish Sultan! Thou art a Turkish imp, the damned devil's brother and friend, and a secretary to Lucifer himself. What the devil kind of knight art thou that cannot slay hedgehog with your naked arse? The devil shits, and your army eats. Thou a son of a bitch wilt not ever make subjects of Christian sons; we have no fear of your army, by land and by sea we will battle with thee, go fuck thy mother. Thou art the Babylonian scullion, Macedonian wheelwright, brewer of Jerusalem, goat-fucker of Alexandria, swineherd of Greater and Lesser Egypt, Armenian pig, Podolian villain, catamite of Tartary, hangman of Kamyanets, and fool of all the world and underworld, a fool before our God, a grandson of the Serpent, and the crick in our dick. Pig's snout, mare's arse, slaughterhouse cur, unchristened brow, screw thine own mother! So the Zaporozhians declare, you lowlife. Thou wilt not even be herding Christian pigs. Now we shall conclude, for we don't know the date and don't have a calendar; the moon's in the sky, the year in the book, the day's the same over here as it is over there; for this kiss our arse! -- Koshovyi Otaman Ivan Sirko

Posted by: Zaporozhian Cossacks at September 30, 2022 12:31 PM (bW8dp)

251 Frankly, I'm baffled by the Russian silence on the matter, as I would have expected much howling and finger pointing by now.

The Russians are loudly accusing us, and posting the video where Biden said that he would take the pipeline out.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 30, 2022 12:31 PM (I2/tG)

252 Why was Ukraine not a NATO member already?

Posted by: rhomboid at September 30, 2022 12:12 PM (OTzUX)

One of the pieces of history conveniently forgotten by many is that, back when the republics were trying to separate from Russia, we promised Russia that NATO would not expand to the east. NATO was a defensive alliance and that would be a provocative move. It's a promise which has been broken, repeatedly, since it was made.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at September 30, 2022 12:31 PM (z99Zw)

253 Thanks gerg.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 30, 2022 12:31 PM (44ww/)

254 greg is frothing at the mouth hysterical now. It's heading toward a complete meltdown.

I think I need another cup of coffee while I sit back and observe this event.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 30, 2022 12:31 PM (5pTK/)

255 >>Putin can't lose to Ukraine and survive. Russians regard Ukrainians as not much better than cattle. Losing to Ukraine is a complete humiliation. He'd have to go. Putin can lose to NATO and survive. NATO is the hyperpower. Putin can spin not being ousted by NATO as "win" domestically. This is Putin's "off-ramp".

Hot Cakes > Hot Takes

Posted by: garrett at September 30, 2022 12:32 PM (NUExE)

256 The list of demands and rationale for them sound absurd and maybe they are, but if those things were negotiated in a legal contract to which both parties agreed and he can demonstrate that the terms of the contract were violated by the other party, then fair play.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 30, 2022 12:29 PM (t0OGg)

This.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 30, 2022 12:32 PM (anj39)

257 Did you ever think that we'd remember Donald Trump for his prudence and restraint in foreign affairs?
Posted by: Eric

*

He said pussy, though.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 30, 2022 12:32 PM (wXOk6)

258 There's apparently a fairly decent case to be made that IIRC every third fentanyl pill that reaches the U.S. is dosed in a way to kill the user, and apparently China is behind it.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 30, 2022 12:29 PM

Simple solution to avoid being killed by fentanyl: Don't be a f'ing druggie.

Posted by: Chuck C at September 30, 2022 12:32 PM (xttsV)

259
Oh for fuck's sake. Okay, the man can sing but wow. Did he also demand no red M&Ms (or whatever)?
Posted by: Tonypete at September 30, 2022 12:29 PM (LsEU/)

Van Halen did this in order to prove whether or not the other party actually read the contract. Not because they were being dicks.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 30, 2022 12:32 PM (Zz0t1)

260 Upside: D.C. and NYC will be reduced to smoking rubble.

Downside: Everyone else will be

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at September 30, 2022 12:32 PM (nMx88)

261 This Greg the Class Traitor pyrsyn sure is easily triggered
Posted by: kallisto at September 30, 2022 12:24 PM (dCxaZ)

It's reaching terlit hobo levels of meltdown.
Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at September 30, 2022 12:30 PM (q7CJ4)
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He's using the preferred Democrat method of if you don't agree with me you're a bad person.

Posted by: Axeman at September 30, 2022 12:32 PM (krQz2)

262 Note that not everyone here agrees with each other on everything about all this.

Also note that Greg is the only one who can't discuss without grade school name calling.

Greg,

#1 None of our opinions matter.

#2 The people who are making decisions, the people with the power and influence, aren't reading here, and even if they were, see #1.

This is why yelling at anyone here is stupid, and you doing so proves, beyond doubt, that you are too short for this ride.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at September 30, 2022 12:32 PM (YJwUM)

263 >>One of the pieces of history conveniently forgotten by many is that, back when the republics were trying to separate from Russia, we promised Russia that NATO would not expand to the east. NATO was a defensive alliance and that would be a provocative move. It's a promise which has been broken, repeatedly, since it was made.

Yep. And most of this was part of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Negotiations.

Posted by: garrett at September 30, 2022 12:32 PM (NUExE)

264
People want to whine about the "spending", but in reality it's mostly a forced refresh of our old vehicle and weapon stocks, and doesn't really move the needle vs domestic money printing.
Posted by: somedood

Bullshit. It's about washing kick-backs to the DC/Acela cadre through defense spending. This is graft on a gargantuan scale. It's the flushing of the foundations of the Republic.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 30, 2022 12:33 PM (IyrhE)

265 Jeez, if Russia sees eastern Ukranians as little more than cattle, what does that mean the western Ukranians view them as?

Yikes.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 30, 2022 12:33 PM (wXOk6)

266 If the nukes start flying around the time of the Texas MoMe, Corsicana will be home base to a group of survivors as they attempt to sustain and protect themselves from others willing to use any means necessary to stay alive.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at September 30, 2022 12:27 PM (RG7Wy)

Those who beat their colanders into plowshares will be ruled by those who did not.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 30, 2022 12:33 PM (44ww/)

267 There's apparently a fairly decent case to be made that IIRC every third fentanyl pill that reaches the U.S. is dosed in a way to kill the user, and apparently China is behind it.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 30, 2022 12:29 PM
++++
And the pipeline for Chinese fentanyl - deliberate poison pills or not (and I would bet "not" - at least not deliberately, because that's mighty bad for business) - is Mexican cartels. The open border is YUGE benefit.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 30, 2022 12:33 PM (t0OGg)

268 He said pussy, though.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 30, 2022 12:32 PM (wXOk6)
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But he didn't give us the chips.

Posted by: Axeman at September 30, 2022 12:33 PM (krQz2)

269 It's reaching terlit hobo levels of meltdown.

There are certainly some similarities.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 30, 2022 12:33 PM (Xrfse)

270 I vote we send all the Democrat politicians and their voters children to fight this one. At a minimum it will be entertaining.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 30, 2022 12:33 PM (tDEa7)

271 Is there an over/under on greg telling us, "I voted for Trump, but, unless he comes out with a strongly worded statement against Putin, I won't vote for him, should he run again!"

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 30, 2022 12:34 PM (5pTK/)

272 181 Expect shit to go down re Taiwan in October too. Gonna be a crazy, unbelievably wild month.
Posted by: Top Of gp's Mind at September 30, 2022 12:23 PM

A Chinese invasionbof Taiwan would be one hell of an October surprise. How the hell would THAT affect the midterms? Rally round the president? Massive Dem turnout drop if Biden goes to war? He'll certainly look weak and lose personal support if he does nothing....

Posted by: Moron Analyst at September 30, 2022 12:34 PM (JCZqz)

273 One of the pieces of history conveniently forgotten by many is that, back when the republics were trying to separate from Russia, we promised Russia that NATO would not expand to the east.

Yep. Now do Syria. We're on the wrong side there as well.

Posted by: Mustang at September 30, 2022 12:34 PM (gAzHd)

274 Thanks Guys, but I can stand up for myself.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 30, 2022 12:27 PM (Y+l9t)

Absolutely. Though it is fun to dogpile on the malignant shit-posters.

Posted by: Babs at September 30, 2022 12:34 PM (4I/2K)

275 259
Van Halen did this in order to prove whether or not the other party actually read the contract. Not because they were being dicks.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 30, 2022 12:32 PM (Zz0t1)

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That's right. For the record, they were brown M&Ms not red.
Carry on with throwing furniture.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at September 30, 2022 12:34 PM (RG7Wy)

276 And the pipeline for Chinese fentanyl - deliberate poison pills or not (and I would bet "not" - at least not deliberately, because that's mighty bad for business) - is Mexican cartels. The open border is YUGE benefit.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 30, 2022 12:33 PM (t0OGg)
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Eggs must be broken.

Posted by: The Georgia Guidestones at September 30, 2022 12:34 PM (krQz2)

277 Anyone have a tally on the massive amount of financial (tax dollars) aid we have sent to the grifter running Ukraine? I saw we just fired over another $12.83 Billion.

It's a ridiculous amount.

Posted by: Orson at September 30, 2022 12:34 PM (Hm1Og)

278 The Russians are loudly accusing us, and posting the video where Biden said that he would take the pipeline out.

The Russians also said that they wanted to take the pipeline issue to the UN Security Council.

Not sure if we're blocking that or not.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 30, 2022 12:34 PM (I2/tG)

279 Per the previous thread, re: Unilever going woke...

https://tinyurl.com/2p8es7uj
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 30, 2022 12:26 PM (oINRc)
++++
*snort*

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 30, 2022 12:34 PM (t0OGg)

280 >> There's apparently a fairly decent case to be made that IIRC every third fentanyl pill that reaches the U.S. is dosed in a way to kill the user, and apparently China is behind it

Except the pills are made, mostly, in Mexico.

China isn't shipping pills as much as the ingredients for the pills. The Cartels are not the Pharma industry. They don't have much in the way of QC.

Posted by: garrett at September 30, 2022 12:34 PM (NUExE)

281 It strikes me as odd that we have a foreign head of state that is embroiled in a ware demanding - not lobbying, not asking, not begging, but *demanding* - that other states escalate that war on its behalf.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

*imagines Polish government in August 1939 inviting a bunch of English and French diplomats to Warsaw and then getting them drunk on Poltorak and photographing them in compromising positions with Kielbasas, buxom blonde serving wenches and Pierogis, to force them to come to Poland's aid against Germany/USSR*

Posted by: Sharkman at September 30, 2022 12:34 PM (zrlG8)

282 Taiwan

Luckily PRC sea lift for an invasion is anemic. They would have to fly them in disguised as tourists.

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 30, 2022 12:35 PM (OEEK4)

283 >>Yep. Now do Syria. We're on the wrong side there as well.

That depends, completely, on how much many you can make in weapons sales.

Posted by: Clinton Inc. at September 30, 2022 12:35 PM (NUExE)

284 *imagines Polish government in August 1939 inviting a bunch of English and French diplomats to Warsaw and then getting them drunk on Poltorak and photographing them in compromising positions with Kielbasas, buxom blonde serving wenches and Pierogis, to force them to come to Poland's aid against Germany/USSR*
Posted by: Sharkman at September 30, 2022 12:34 PM (zrlG

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"Compromising positions with Kielbasas, buxom blonde serving wenches and Pierogis" sounds like an overall grand time.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 30, 2022 12:35 PM (t0OGg)

285 If the nukes start flying around the time of the Texas MoMe, Corsicana will be home base to a group of survivors as they attempt to sustain and protect themselves from others willing to use any means necessary to stay alive.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at September 30, 2022 12:27

Moar Ammo!

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 30, 2022 12:36 PM (Y+l9t)

286 Chem warfare = Fentanyl

There was a big media freakout over the question of whether Germany used chemical weapons in WWII because some R politician said they didn't.

Their argument was since the Germans used chemical to kill people in the Holocaust they were using "chemical weapons". Which is...stupid.*

But, by that same argument Chinese Fentanyl is clearly a chemical weapon as well.

*I did my own research and the Germans did use chemical weapons on the Russian front in one location. A Russian unit ended up hiding in a mine and they poured chemical weapons into the ventilation system.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 30, 2022 12:36 PM (ESjRY)

287 245 Putin can't lose to Ukraine and survive.
Posted by: occam's brassiere at September 30, 2022 12:30 PM (bqq7p)

My money is on Putin. He's smarter and tougher than all Western leaders combined (which actually isn't saying that much).

Posted by: Ordinary American at September 30, 2022 12:36 PM (H8QX8)

288 It's reaching terlit hobo levels of meltdown.

Its no different than how people lose their minds of the Cowboys or the Steelers. Or Israel. You know, if I felt that strongly about any of the above - and especially in the case of a nation state that is actively accepting and arming volunteers - I wouldn't waste time day drinking here. I'd go. Its much easier, I reckon, to write a few paragraphs about it.

Posted by: Mustang at September 30, 2022 12:36 PM (gAzHd)

289 Ukraine has the most armed na-zis of any European country

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at September 30, 2022 12:36 PM (EGSGm)

290 PM (Qzn2/)

56 Zelensky WANTS World War 3 and Pedo Hitler is going to give it to him.

We are so fucked.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable a Clear and Present Danger at September 30, 2022 12:09 PM (u4CEu)

I think it's the other way around...

Posted by: Flyover's Kohlrabi at September 30, 2022 12:36 PM (Rbu5d)

291 Since there's so much arguing, Van Hagar 4ever!

Posted by: occam's brassiere at September 30, 2022 12:37 PM (bqq7p)

292 237 I wonder how the German people felt in 1941. What info were they getting? What did they think was happening? Did they know in October that it was looking bad? After Moscow? What were they told about Moscow? Battle of Britain? '42? '43? D-Day?

Well A-Dawg drew hundreds of thousands of Berliners to the streets when he took his "invasion" of Paris victory lap. And the initiation of Barbarossa made it look like the 1000 yr Reich was a done deal. But then Stalingrad happened, Italy leaving the Axis, and D-Day. Now A-Dawg's troops had a 3-front war going.
From German troops' memoirs, public sentiment started to turn on them around 1943.

Posted by: kallisto at September 30, 2022 12:29 PM (dCxaZ)

I think most Germans realized the conquest of Russia was not on-schedule when Goebbels began asking civilians to donate cold weather clothes for the troops.

Posted by: Gref at September 30, 2022 12:37 PM (AMIL/)

293 So we are back to regime change then.

Posted by: Mister Scott (Formerly GWS) at September 30, 2022 12:37 PM (bVYXr)

294 "Gerg, care to address Ukraine's shelling of its Russia-supporting regions? Or the Color Revolution?

Posted by: Dworkin Barimen at September 30, 2022 12:23 PM (q7CJ4)

Russia isn't entitled to roll across the border with troops simply because they don't like who seized power and how - even if it's a Western-prog astroturfed revolution.

It's also unreasonable to expect the Ukrainians - whom the Russians have attempted to genocide multiple times - to not fucking shoot at them when they do. This whole "but waaaah, the mean Ukronazis shot at the poor peaceful Russians (that we moved in so we could cry about them)!" angle is retarded.

Note that a bunch of the Baltics were smart enough to kick out their Russian enclaves after 1991 for exactly this reason. They know how this is played.

Posted by: somedood at September 30, 2022 12:37 PM (BbSpR)

295 Van Halen, in BOTH its permutations, were overrated.

Posted by: garrett at September 30, 2022 12:37 PM (NUExE)

296 There he is!

Posted by: Shining Flying Purple Wolfhound at September 30, 2022 12:37 PM (VDLxK)

297 If the nukes start flying around the time of the Texas MoMe, Corsicana will be home base to a group of survivors as they attempt to sustain and protect themselves from others willing to use any means necessary to stay alive.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at September 30, 2022 12:27 PM (RG7Wy)

Those who beat their colanders into plowshares will be ruled by those who did not.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 30, 2022 12:33 PM (44ww/)

There are two kinds of people in this world, Tuco. Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You, dig.

Posted by: Blondie at September 30, 2022 12:38 PM (4I/2K)

298 Upside: D.C. and NYC will be reduced to smoking rubble.

Downside: Everyone else will be
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat

Dammit! I went through hell to stop smoking. Looks like I'm going to start whether I want to or not.

Posted by: rickb223 Cruel ace is the best ace at September 30, 2022 12:38 PM (UEL2X)

299 4. Putin's belief, or at least his success in manipulating belief among in his people, that Russia is the bulwark against insane Western wokism, i.e., that last refuge of sanity and Christendom.

Posted by: Ordinary American at September 30, 2022 12:30 PM (H8QX

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And we've done nothing but give him ammunition for that one.

So how about this line: Wokism empowers Putin within Russia.

It's just like Republican rhetoric contributing to the recruitment of Al Qaeda.

Posted by: Axeman at September 30, 2022 12:38 PM (krQz2)

300 251 "Frankly, I'm baffled by the Russian silence on the matter, as I would have expected much howling and finger pointing by now."

The Russians are loudly accusing us, and posting the video where Biden said that he would take the pipeline out.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 30, 2022 12:31 PM (I2/tG)

Apparently started this morning(which is much more aggressive a posture than yesterday). Oddly refers to us as Anglo-Saxons.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at September 30, 2022 12:38 PM (eYoxG)

301 I like Bocelli. He recorded two versions of his religious I Believe album. In one he is accompanied by orchestra and one by only piano. Both versions are excellent.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R1gErYEI0Q8

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 30, 2022 12:38 PM (FVME7)

302 Instead of sending $10 billion to Ukraine, how bout we just send them a few million illegal aliens?

Posted by: Tex Lovera

Zelenskyyyyyy could reenact the beginning scene in Enemy at the Gates where the Undocumented Migrants jump down from the trucks that ship them into Ukraine and are immediately given a rifle and a clip of ammo and pushed into the battle.

That's one way to cut down on illegal immigration.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 30, 2022 12:38 PM (zrlG8)

303
Oh, FFS.

Some people are just hell-bent on getting this war going. But none of them would ever consider going. That's for other people.

Fuck this virtue signal. I've heard enough of it.

Go Support the Current Thing alone and stop bothering people, Greg.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 30, 2022 12:38 PM (oINRc)

304 The Russians are loudly accusing us, and posting the video where Biden said that he would take the pipeline out.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 30, 2022 12:31 PM (I2/tG)

Thanks. I thought the Biden video just kind of surfaced in due course.

Posted by: CZ=FNG, Free Republic of Florida at September 30, 2022 12:39 PM (MkuC5)

305 >>Russia isn't entitled to roll across the border with troops simply because they don't like who seized power and how - even if it's a Western-prog astroturfed revolution.

Why not?

Seriously. This is how Borders are made.

Posted by: garrett at September 30, 2022 12:39 PM (NUExE)

306 500M. Everything they do is geared towards reducing the human population. The question is, is Putin still on the WEF payroll? Will he allow Ukraine to be a conventional meat grinder that "statesmen" can throw bodies into.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at September 30, 2022 12:39 PM (z99Zw)

307 248
Yep. There's apparently a fairly decent case to be made that IIRC every third fentanyl pill that reaches the U.S. is dosed in a way to kill the user, and apparently China is behind it.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 30, 2022 12:29 PM (wXOk6)

So noble! They're helping reduce the population of overconsumers to save the planet!

Posted by: Green Commie at September 30, 2022 12:39 PM (JCZqz)

308 I think Jane's rates the TxMoMe as the 37th largest Army in the world.

Posted by: European politicians at September 30, 2022 12:39 PM (pwExq)

309 Van Halen, in BOTH its permutations, were overrated.
Posted by: garrett at September 30, 2022 12:37 PM (NUExE)
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That's a high ceiling for VH v1. So, I'll take it.

There are a lot of VH songs, I just love.

Posted by: Axeman at September 30, 2022 12:39 PM (krQz2)

310 I thought they were winning ( rofl)

Posted by: CN at September 30, 2022 12:40 PM (Zzbjj)

311 Thanks Guys, but I can stand up for myself.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 30, 2022 12:27 PM (Y+l9t)

Absolutely. Though it is fun to dogpile on the malignant shit-posters.

Posted by: Babs

I do appreciate the validation however. It is also great when a comment sets off a firestorm. Why I come back day after day.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 30, 2022 12:40 PM (Y+l9t)

312 >>One of the pieces of history conveniently forgotten by many is that, back when the republics were trying to separate from Russia, we promised Russia that NATO would not expand to the east. NATO was a defensive alliance and that would be a provocative move. It's a promise which has been broken, repeatedly, since it was made.

I don't know why this obvious explanation keeps getting overlooked. This is why the war in Ukraine happened and the previous invasion of Georgia also happened. It's really not a mystery. You can even figure it out by the video up top.

We promised not to expand NATO eastward toward Russia. Putin warned that if we did there would be war and specifically warned not to expand in the former Soviet states of Georgia and Ukraine. We lied or at least hinted that we lied and Putin did what he said he would do.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 30, 2022 12:40 PM (ZLI7S)

313 You would be very surprised at the stupid little things that powerful people put in contracts. Entertainment is especially notorious for this. It's 99% ego. Btw, I never believed the story that VH put in stupid things just to see if the other side read the contract. This motivation makes no sense because by the time VH would know if they did or not, it would be too late. I think VH was just being asshole rock stars and busting balls.

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 30, 2022 12:40 PM (iFTx/)

314 Hagar's voice is far better than David Lee Roth's. Also he's not a primadonna. Way better fit for the band.

Also, if you don't agree with me you're part of the problem.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at September 30, 2022 12:40 PM (YJwUM)

315 Posted by: Greg the Class Traitor at September 30, 2022 12:18 PM (XbP7q)

I can't help but notice that you're convinced we're all stupid, and probably at least borderline treasonous, yet you remain. Why is that?

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at September 30, 2022 12:40 PM (z99Zw)

316 Taiwan

Luckily PRC sea lift for an invasion is anemic. They would have to fly them in disguised as tourists.
Posted by: Anna Puma at September 30, 2022 12:35 PM (OEEK4)

Emergency! Please to get from streets!

Posted by: Tourists In Disguise at September 30, 2022 12:40 PM (4I/2K)

317 Off cheesy sock

Posted by: blaster at September 30, 2022 12:40 PM (pwExq)

318 297 If the nukes start flying around the time of the Texas MoMe, Corsicana will be home base to a group of survivors as they attempt to sustain and protect themselves from others willing to use any means necessary to stay alive.

Posted by: Colonel Travis at September 30, 2022 12:27 PM (RG7Wy)

Those who beat their colanders into plowshares will be ruled by those who did not.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 30, 2022 12:33 PM (44ww/)

There are two kinds of people in this world, Tuco. Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You, dig.

Posted by: Blondie at September 30, 2022 12:38 PM (4I/2K)

So there was projections on what would by hit in a 500warhead and 2000warhead exchange. What does Tyler TX have that justifies it being hit?

Posted by: redchief at September 30, 2022 12:40 PM (kMCI0)

319 >>There are a lot of VH songs, I just love.

Singles. Yes.
But, try and listen to their LPs cover to cover.
They are terrible.

Posted by: garrett at September 30, 2022 12:40 PM (NUExE)

320 hey now all of you big strong men
Uncle Sam needs your help again
he's got himself in a terrible jam
way out yonder in old You Kran
and it's one, two, three
what are we fightin' for

Posted by: DB at September 30, 2022 12:40 PM (geLO8)

321 No argument. Russians suck at maintenance, as the Russian Army and Submarine arm of the Navy can attest. But...it smells too much for it to be three accidents.

As always, the Truth, beautiful or ugly, is likely concealed from us, deliberately.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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The US and Russia leaders probably know what happened. The rest of us are in the dark. The Biden junta's foreign policy reflects the incoherence and incompetence of a committee calling the shots. Putin's need to 'win' by retaining what he has grabbed of Ukraine's territory is what is directing Russian policy. Ukraine's Zelinsky is seeking what every underdog fighting a more powerful rival does--get some partners involved on your side.

Posted by: whig at September 30, 2022 12:40 PM (CXr4y)

322 The Dems must have sworn a blood oath to never, ever share power with any other party forever and ever. It's the only explanation that makes sense. The Kalorama clique never thought 2016 would happen, but it did.

Posted by: mrp at September 30, 2022 12:41 PM (6eRlp)

323 The German army in Russia in '42 was still in pretty good shape.

But with American aid allowing Russia to mobilize almost all of its male population the Germans need to land a knock out blow and failed to do so.

The failure in Stalingrad and the indecisive results at Kursk in 43 then should have made the coming loss obvious to everyone.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 30, 2022 12:41 PM (ESjRY)

324 The Russians are loudly accusing us, and posting the video where Biden said that he would take the pipeline out.
Posted by: The ARC of History!

Biden would have to be crazy, stupid, and evil to sabotage the pipeline. Unfortunately, he checks every box.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 30, 2022 12:41 PM (FVME7)

325 "263 >>One of the pieces of history conveniently forgotten by many is that, back when the republics were trying to separate from Russia, we promised Russia that NATO would not expand to the east. NATO was a defensive alliance and that would be a provocative move. It's a promise which has been broken, repeatedly, since it was made.

Yep. And most of this was part of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Negotiations.
Posted by: garrett at September 30, 2022 12:32 PM (NUExE)"

It's forgotten on purpose because the ones who made the actual promising decided it was useful to get their retarded slavic neighbor to start some shit.

If the former Warsaw pact states were smart, they'd have reformed the pact sans-Russia, and voluntarily this time, so they could *wink, nod* stand against NATO aggression while curiously focusing their defense in the other direction. That would have prevented them from being used by Western progs like this.

Posted by: somedood at September 30, 2022 12:41 PM (BbSpR)

326 Russia under Putin is our enemy, and always will be. If you want your enemies to get more powerful, you are a loser
Posted by: Greg the Class Traitor at September 30, 2022 12:29 PM (XbP7q)

Needn't be that way at all. Trump, in my opinion, wanted to change that picture. He was stymied by the Russian-hoax insanity.

We're living in an time in which the idea, the model, the possibility, of the "conversation" is vanishing.

Posted by: Ordinary American at September 30, 2022 12:41 PM (H8QX8)

327 Eddie = Putin

Diamond Dave = Zelensky

Posted by: occam's brassiere at September 30, 2022 12:41 PM (bqq7p)

328 304. That video was being posted by Americans and Brits. Victoria Nuland said the same thing.

Posted by: CN at September 30, 2022 12:41 PM (Zzbjj)

329 99 Funny how the same crowd that wants to cut all greenhouse gases has no problem with an atmosphere full of radioactive fallout...
Posted by: Tex Lovera at September 30, 2022 12:14 PM (wtvvX)

Which proves (yet again) its not about saving the erff.

Posted by: Flyover's Kohlrabi at September 30, 2022 12:41 PM (Rbu5d)

330 Again - attempting to answer the obvious question - "why was Ukraine not long ago part of NATO??" quickly leads to the actual dynamics here. There's one principal reason, and a few others, and all of them completely vaporize all the silly grandiose rationalizations for the western reaction.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 30, 2022 12:41 PM (OTzUX)

331 Moar Ammo!
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 30, 2022 12:36 PM (Y+l9t)
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Moar Bacon!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 30, 2022 12:42 PM (YIVH2)

332 The Russians are loudly accusing us, and posting the video where Biden said that he would take the pipeline out.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 30, 2022 12:31 PM (I2/tG)
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You know it was US. When the NYTs and WAPO immediately blame something on Putin it is guaranteed that Dems are guilty. This is 100% true every time.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 30, 2022 12:42 PM (bA3Ln)

333 There are a lot of VH songs, I just love.
Posted by: Axeman

I listen mainly for the guitar work. Amazing even today.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at September 30, 2022 12:42 PM (YJwUM)

334 Russia under Putin is our enemy, and always will be. If you want your enemies to get more powerful, you are a loser

You know I seem to recall the left having a rather different tack on Saddam Hussein.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 30, 2022 12:42 PM (ESjRY)

335 One thing that has to be remembered about Van Halen is that they rocked hard AND all the swing, blues, and other influences made them just FUN to listen to.

I have a periodic hankering to hear Take Your Whiskey Home, so I just have to play it every so often.

Posted by: Axeman at September 30, 2022 12:42 PM (krQz2)

336 Russia isn't entitled to roll across the border with troops simply because they don't like who seized power and how - even if it's a Western-prog astroturfed revolution.

Posted by: somedood at September 30, 2022 12:37 PM (BbSpR)

The Ukes are still taking volunteers. Tell you what, I'll gift you all my airline points. Go put a stop to it. I can probably get you there business class.

Posted by: Mustang at September 30, 2022 12:43 PM (gAzHd)

337 Russia didn't make that video. US networks did.

Posted by: CN at September 30, 2022 12:43 PM (Zzbjj)

338 Singles. Yes.
But, try and listen to their LPs cover to cover.
They are terrible.
Posted by: garrett at September 30, 2022 12:40 PM (NUExE)

Do you wonder why people say you're gay?

Posted by: blaster at September 30, 2022 12:43 PM (pwExq)

339 > Oh for fuck's sake. Okay, the man can sing but wow. Did he also demand no red M&Ms (or whatever)?

He's famously a twatty prima donna. Even worse than no red M&Ms, one of his demands is a neutral smell in his dressing room. So someone has to verify that everything and everyone entering his dressing room is scent free for at least a couple of days before the man appears.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 30, 2022 12:43 PM (eyxn4)

340
Ga ... Ga ... Ga ... Gerg!
C'mon home, honey! All your "uncles" have left!

-- Gerg's Mom

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at September 30, 2022 12:43 PM (pNxlR)

341 What is happening now is far beyond our ability to understand or comprehend being as we have no true insight into the bigger game being played.

All we know is this sh*t is getting out of control and the game of chicken they are playing may mean we don't survive this.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 30, 2022 12:43 PM (up/3i)

342
This Greg the Class Traitor pyrsyn sure is easily triggered
Posted by: kallisto

Zelenzky is top of mind.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 30, 2022 12:43 PM (63Dwl)

343 Oddly refers to us as Anglo-Saxons.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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Not odd at all. It is an attempt to remind Euroland that UK and US are doing this and remind Germans and French of their ethnicity.

Posted by: whig at September 30, 2022 12:43 PM (CXr4y)

344 what happened to greg? He seemed really invested in defending Ukraine's borders, yet, not our own borders.

I wonder why that was?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 30, 2022 12:43 PM (5pTK/)

345 It strikes me that what empowers zelensky to go around yelling and demanding and swinging his chain is his knowledge that his country is the money laundering and arms trading depot for the US and European leaders.

Posted by: keena at September 30, 2022 12:43 PM (RiTnx)

346 You know, all of this could have been avoided if Obama had been less limp-wristed with Putin back in 2014 when Russia annexed Crimea.....and again just two years ago when Diaper Joe signaled to Putin that he would be ok with a limited military incursion of Ukraine.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 30, 2022 12:44 PM (CCf67)

347 Germany was hedging on Ukes, Biden took away the cheap Russian gas option

Posted by: CN at September 30, 2022 12:44 PM (Zzbjj)

348 Except the pills are made, mostly, in Mexico.

China isn't shipping pills as much as the ingredients for the pills. The Cartels are not the Pharma industry. They don't have much in the way of QC.

Posted by: garrett

*

I suspect they've got enough to keep from killing everyone right off the bat, and all you'd need is the ability to OD a few extra here and there. Seems easy enough, and I bet they'd work for cheap. Probably not even $10 to double or triple a dose and kill the user.

Say, remember when five billion dollars for a wall was going to financially ruin the nation?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 30, 2022 12:44 PM (wXOk6)

349 >>I listen mainly for the guitar work. Amazing even today.

Yeah. No arguing with Eddie's guitar. Guy was a f'n alien. Hendrix / Jeff Beck quality slinger. Changed the game forever.

But those LPs are riddled with hoaky / cheesey covers that are painful to get through.

Posted by: garrett at September 30, 2022 12:44 PM (NUExE)

350 Everyone is talking about how these elections in Ukraine are BS, which they probably are. But is it much different than Zelensky barring opposition parties from running for office? There's little difference, besides PR, from the communist strongman dictator of one country, and the clown king dictator of the other.

No way in hell an American should die for this cause, unless they volunteer specifically for it, but you know Biden and his handlers addres just giddy at the idea they can send 20,000 potential Trump voters to Ukraine to die, all so these same politicians can use the conflict and rebuilding to launder even more money in to their own pockets.

The next president should have a cabinet filled entirely of accountants to audit every penny sent o Ukraine

Posted by: Rbastid at September 30, 2022 12:44 PM (rZsC8)

351 Democrats would of course roll the dice on WW3 if they thought they cold get some sort of short term bounce in the polls.

Posted by: Blago at September 30, 2022 12:44 PM (PwNLq)

352 So there was projections on what would by hit in a 500warhead and 2000warhead exchange. What does Tyler TX have that justifies it being hit?

Posted by: redchief at September 30, 2022 12:40 PM (kMCI0)

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It's the Rose Capital of the World.

Posted by: ShainS -- Triple-Jabbed & Quad-Boosted with the Biden Hurricane-22 Vaccine at September 30, 2022 12:44 PM (JfQmR)

353 232
Do you WANT another US - Russia Cold War? Don't think the last one did enough damage to the US?

Russia under Putin is our enemy, and always will be. If you want your enemies to get more powerful, you are a loser
Posted by: Greg the Class Traitor at September 30, 2022 12:29 PM

*Looks at USSR and Western Nations at end of WW2
* looks at remnants of USSR and thriving Western nations today

Yeah, I think that turned out pretty well, all things considered. Wouldn't mind another few decades of it.

And why does Russia have to be an enemy of the US? Obama tried to reset and make nice, Trump did too. Russia is no threat to the US militarily or economically. China, on the other hand...

Posted by: Moron Historian at September 30, 2022 12:44 PM (JCZqz)

354 >>Do you wonder why people say you're gay?

Nothing gayer than a Van Hagar fan.

Posted by: garrett at September 30, 2022 12:45 PM (NUExE)

355 And where the Ukrainian military has been killing thousands of civilians for nearly a decade.
Posted by: Thomas Paine at September 30, 2022 12:22 PM (lTGtQ)

Ethnic Russian civilians. Civilians who totally wouldn't vote to join Russia of their own free will.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at September 30, 2022 12:45 PM (z99Zw)

356 Only thing can fix Ukraine is moose and squirrel

Posted by: DB at September 30, 2022 12:45 PM (geLO8)

357 345 It strikes me that what empowers zelensky to go around yelling and demanding and swinging his chain is his knowledge that his country is the money laundering and arms trading depot for the US and European leaders.
Posted by: keena at September 30, 2022 12:43 PM (RiTnx)

He's gotten everything he asked for so far. So he's asking for this. Now the West has a choice - tell Z no, or go to war with Russia.

Posted by: blaster at September 30, 2022 12:45 PM (pwExq)

358 Putin made this about three main beefs with the U.S./West
One of those beefs was the insistence all who travel with them submit to a "perverted policy" of dissolving the nuclear family and demanding children be brainwashed with sexual perversions.

Posted by: Beto Ochoa at September 30, 2022 12:45 PM (dzZCL)

359 He then repeated his call for the US to designate Russia a "state sponsor of terrorism"

Which would be darkly humorous, since Biden's bombing of the Nordstream pipeline is the most prominent act of terrorism in all of this (just ask German citizens).

Posted by: Methos at September 30, 2022 12:45 PM (kOpft)

360 >>One of the pieces of history conveniently forgotten by many is that, back when the republics were trying to separate from Russia, we promised Russia that NATO would not expand to the east. NATO was a defensive alliance and that would be a provocative move. It's a promise which has been broken, repeatedly, since it was made.

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It's like if we just give homos the vote, we'll never hear another peep out of them.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 30, 2022 12:45 PM (FVME7)

361 It has to be said, eff Dan Crenshaw. He was out lobbying for Zelensky early on. He's one of those who couldn't wait to fly into Keiv to get a picture taken with the phony asshole.

Both are phony assholes.

Posted by: Seems Legit at September 30, 2022 12:45 PM (Lv84X)

362 The US midterm elections are the paramount event here, not how things are on the ground in Ukraine. The Dems are determined not to allow Republicans to take either chamber of Congress. Oversight and control of the nation's purse are anathema and a clear and present danger to the regime.

Posted by: mrp at September 30, 2022 12:45 PM (6eRlp)

363 Hagar was only good in Montrose. And he was amazing in Montrose.
The guys in Soundgarden owe Montrose some credit.

Posted by: garrett at September 30, 2022 12:45 PM (NUExE)

364 The Auto Parts King can take his demands and fist them up Joy Behar's ass.

Fuck you and your DEMANDS.

We'll sell you some weapons and intelligence. The rest is up to you.

That doesn't mean Americans should die in place of Ukrainians. To quote Nate Diaz, "I DOAN GIFFAFUK, I DOAN GIFF A FUUUUUK"

Posted by: Tasty Burger at September 30, 2022 12:45 PM (N/oGZ)

365 300. I must have seen that video posted 50 times yesterday by US and British twitterites

Posted by: CN at September 30, 2022 12:46 PM (Zzbjj)

366 Nothing gayer than a Van Hagar fan.
Posted by: garrett at September 30, 2022 12:45 PM (NUExE)

Oh you were talking about Sammy Hagar Van Halen? Then party on my brother!

Posted by: blaster at September 30, 2022 12:46 PM (pwExq)

367 John Bongiovi changed his name because of Van Halen.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at September 30, 2022 12:46 PM (YJwUM)

368 He's the bottom of the top.

Posted by: Eromero at September 30, 2022 12:46 PM (gktX6)

369 Oh for fuck's sake. Okay, the man can sing but wow. Did he also demand no red M&Ms (or whatever)?
Posted by: Tonypete at September 30, 2022 12:29 PM (LsEU/)
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I forget which outfit had the M&M rider, but their manager finally explained it and it made sense. They had these enormous, extremely elaborate and very heavy sets that required certain prep to be done in the venue. They found that very often, that prep had *not* been done because nobody read the contracts carefully, and this resulted in lost time and money because they had to scramble to get the prep done as well as the erection of the set pieces.

They added the M&M rider because it's something small and buried in the middle of the contract, so they would know at a glance when they walked in if the venue actually read the contract or not, and know whether they had to assume that things weren't up to snuff in preparation and just go deal with it rather than back-tracking after finding nasty surprises.

It makes some degree of sense if true.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 30, 2022 12:46 PM (t0OGg)

370 A small nuclear exchange would be a great reason to cancel the coming elections.

Posted by: Ripley at September 30, 2022 12:46 PM (MxEKc)

371 Only thing can fix Ukraine is moose and squirrel

Posted by: DB at September 30, 2022 12:45 PM

Finally, some sanity and direction.

Posted by: Beto Ochoa at September 30, 2022 12:46 PM (dzZCL)

372 Singles. Yes.
But, try and listen to their LPs cover to cover.
They are terrible.
Posted by: garrett at September 30, 2022 12:40 PM (NUExE)
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When was Fire or Atomic Punk ever a single?

(And that's just off their first LP) And Running With the Devil was charting on AOR stations while their only single was the Kinks cover You Really Got Me.

Posted by: Axeman at September 30, 2022 12:46 PM (krQz2)

373 I really doubt Lend-Lease was material to the Soviet resource situation by June '42, when Operation Blue launched. Or even by the time of the Stalingrad defeat. Real impact wasn't until later.

And Goebbels' diary details his successful staging of Hitler's triumphal return to Berlin after the French armistice, and the public elation (most thought that was it, the war would be over). He also describes how on June 22, 1941, Berlin was a silent ghost-town. The public reaction was fairly rational. Shock and despair.

Posted by: rhomboid at September 30, 2022 12:47 PM (OTzUX)

374 What tale Zelensky's government archives could tell just before the midterms.

Posted by: mrp at September 30, 2022 12:47 PM (6eRlp)

375 Kamala-yuga.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 30, 2022 12:47 PM (44ww/)

376 361 It has to be said, eff Dan Crenshaw. He was out lobbying for Zelensky early on. He's one of those who couldn't wait to fly into Keiv to get a picture taken with the phony asshole.

Both are phony assholes.
Posted by: Seems Legit at September 30, 2022 12:45 PM (Lv84X)

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Go Team Red!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 30, 2022 12:47 PM (LvTSG)

377 So who knew Zelensky was King of fucking Europe and North America?

*ahem*

Posted by: Stan at September 30, 2022 12:47 PM (kOpft)

378 Hey, NSABob, you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel today with that Greg guy.

Posted by: Flyover's Kohlrabi at September 30, 2022 12:48 PM (Rbu5d)

379 Yes lets go to war with a nuclear power with lowest levels of ammo and SPR in more than 50 years.

We have diversity and trans freak soldiers why would we need oil and ammo

Posted by: Eli Cash at September 30, 2022 12:48 PM (h4E6a)

380 Re the German non-use of chemical weapons in WWII, I’ve heard it speculated that Hitler had an abhorrence of them due his having been gassed in WWI.

If true, it would show that there were some lines that even he wasn’t willing to cross.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 30, 2022 12:48 PM (AIR/R)

381 I can't help but notice that you're convinced we're all stupid, and probably at least borderline treasonous, yet you remain. Why is that?
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at September 30, 2022 12:40 PM (z99Zw)

He seems to have radio-silent.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 30, 2022 12:48 PM (+KhTi)

382 Sure we'll get our hair mussed but...

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 30, 2022 12:48 PM (44ww/)

383 The decision to blow up the pipeline was made by Joe.

I will wager anything that it was given to him as one of the check the box things they used to give Obama.

Check one:

Do nothing (bad, must do something)

Do something (good)

Posted by: MJ at September 30, 2022 12:48 PM (zwDuR)

384 No way in hell an American should die for this cause, unless they volunteer specifically for it, but you know Biden and his handlers addres just giddy at the idea they can send 20,000 potential Trump voters to Ukraine to die, all so these same politicians can use the conflict and rebuilding to launder even more money in to their own pockets.

Yeah. All true. Unfortunately, if there's one thing certain generations like to root for more than a good football game, its a good war.

And that really is part of it. Certain demographics - in the double digits - just like to see the American flag wherever shit is blowing up. And they hate seeing shit blow up without an American flag.

Posted by: Mustang at September 30, 2022 12:48 PM (gAzHd)

385 at the risk of Ace considering me "conservative, inc" I will opine here....

As I said at the beginning of this war when Russia first threatened nuclear force, if not naked, expansionist aggression, what is worth fighting a nuclear war over?

Then I asked the question on behalf of the lesser NATO nations. We all know that if the Belgium, UK, France or Germany is attacked, all of NATO will be required to respond. But what of lowly Estonia, Lithuania, Poland?

We already have evidence of how the EU operates when punishing the lesser EU countries with austerity measures; 2 different sets of rules for major European countries and lesser ones. Can we expect the majors in NATO to suddenly behave differently with lesser NATO countries?

At some point, we have to say, "enough with the threats. Let's get it over with."

I think that time is now.

Posted by: thesgm at September 30, 2022 12:48 PM (VhDvQ)

386 I honestly thought Taiwan would have been invaded months ago.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Buy ammo, food, water at September 30, 2022 12:25 PM (XvPQV)

If Taiwan is smart, they have a wall of missiles aimed at the Three Gorges Dam.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at September 30, 2022 12:48 PM (z99Zw)

387 The decision to blow up the pipeline was made by Joe.

Posted by: MJ at September 30, 2022 12:48 PM (zwDuR)
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I think he'd get in trouble if he made decisions.

Posted by: Axeman at September 30, 2022 12:49 PM (krQz2)

388 Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 30, 2022 12:45 PM

It went from "We only want to suck dicks in peace" to "You must suck a dick or you're a racist."

Posted by: Beto Ochoa at September 30, 2022 12:49 PM (dzZCL)

389 I'm still trying to figure out why Russia has made such a "big deal" about the possibility of NATO parking its nuclear arsenal in Ukraine?
Those paranoid Ruskies have been consistently issuing hollow warnings on the subject for well over a decade now. What are they so worried about?

Can anyone explain this?

I mean it's not like we would care if Russia teamed with Mexico and aimed hundreds of ICBMs at us.
So what gives?

Posted by: Bach in Black at September 30, 2022 12:49 PM (7ubmG)

390 Dammit! I went through hell to stop smoking. Looks like I'm going to start whether I want to or not.

If you're close enough to the detonation point you'll be vaporized, so not a lot of smoking happening there.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at September 30, 2022 12:49 PM (Bd6X8)

391 >>(And that's just off their first LP) And Running With the Devil was charting on AOR stations while their only single was the Kinks cover You Really Got Me.

Single songs. Not Official Singles. Don't know if anything they did made them more than the Kinks cover, though.

Posted by: garrett at September 30, 2022 12:49 PM (NUExE)

392 319- I think the issue, Garrett, is probably related to POV/taste. You see, VH songs are predominantly about getting laid by hot women. Not your cup of tea, for sure, but some of us think they're awesome.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at September 30, 2022 12:49 PM (+OrhI)

393 "Bullshit. It's about washing kick-backs to the DC/Acela cadre through defense spending. This is graft on a gargantuan scale. It's the flushing of the foundations of the Republic.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 30, 2022 12:33 PM (IyrhE)"

Even the proposed student loan nonsense was going to cost several times what they've sent for this. Graft, sure. Garguantuan - in relative terms, no.

If the progs are going to start all this shit (make no mistake, they're at the root of this no matter how willing Russia was), the correct move is to lean into it in ways that benefit us, not to volunteer for the role of domestic whiner that they've carefully arranged for us.

I've been seriously disappointed in the lack of sophistication in the right's response to prog schemes in the last few years. Another case in point: you want to fight retarded mask mandates, don't volunteer to be "that guy who isn't taking this seriously and is killing Grandma!" - demand gloves and goggles too. You'll fix that shit quick. Stop just reacting and play the game.

Posted by: somedood at September 30, 2022 12:49 PM (BbSpR)

394 It makes some degree of sense if true.
Posted by: Joe Mannix

I've read the same explanation.

David was still a primadonna, though. He probably thought the band should be named Lee Roth.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at September 30, 2022 12:49 PM (YJwUM)

395 But those LPs are riddled with hoaky / cheesey covers that are painful to get through. Posted by: garrett at September 30, 2022 12:44 PM (NUExE)

IMO their covers of "You Really Got Me" and "Pretty Woman" are the rare case where the cover is better than the original.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 30, 2022 12:50 PM (7B5FA)

396 >>>Nothing gayer than a Van Hagar fan.

Yes there is. A Van Cherone fan.

Posted by: Mark1971 at September 30, 2022 12:50 PM (xPl2J)

397 339 > Oh for fuck's sake. Okay, the man can sing but wow. Did he also demand no red M&Ms (or whatever)?

He's famously a twatty prima donna. Even worse than no red M&Ms, one of his demands is a neutral smell in his dressing room. So someone has to verify that everything and everyone entering his dressing room is scent free for at least a couple of days before the man appears.
Posted by: bonhomme at September 30, 2022 12:43 PM

My father ran an arena through the 80s and 90s, and confirmed the explanation above of having the M&M clause as a test to see how closely everything was read. If the M&Ms were wrong, they knew they'd have problems, and the crew would double check everything before the show.

Posted by: Morons Moron at September 30, 2022 12:50 PM (JCZqz)

398
OK, General Greg D. Ripper. I get it. "reeeee," and so on.

My enemy isn't in Moscow. My enemy is here.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 30, 2022 12:50 PM (oINRc)

399 >>You know, all of this could have been avoided if Obama had been less limp-wristed with Putin back in 2014 when Russia annexed Crimea.....and again just two years ago when Diaper Joe signaled to Putin that he would be ok with a limited military incursion of Ukraine.

Obama might have had a little more credibility to act if he hadn't help run a coup in Ukraine in 2013 that deposed a duly elected government friendly to Putin and installed his own puppet. A lot of the shit we've been through for the last decade was caused by that idiotic coup.

Putin is a thug but pretending the west doesn't bear at least as much responsibility for the war in Ukraine as Putin is missing the truth.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 30, 2022 12:51 PM (ZLI7S)

400 Russia under Putin is our enemy, and always will be.

Putin is a natural ally for American citizens against the globalist progressives.

Progressives and their false government are not of us and never will be.

Posted by: Stan at September 30, 2022 12:51 PM (kOpft)

401 Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 30, 2022 12:50 PM (oINRc)

In the immortal words of Cassius Clay:

"I got no quarrel with no VietCong"

Posted by: kallisto at September 30, 2022 12:51 PM (dCxaZ)

402 Single songs. Not Official Singles. Don't know if anything they did made them more than the Kinks cover, though.
Posted by: garrett at September 30, 2022 12:49 PM (NUExE)

Jump? Hot For Teacher?
At least the music videos were very entertaining.

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 30, 2022 12:51 PM (4I/2K)

403 David was still a primadonna, though. He probably thought the band should be named Lee Roth.
Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at September 30, 2022 12:49 PM (YJwUM)
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Sure. They aren't mutually exclusive.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 30, 2022 12:51 PM (t0OGg)

404 399
Hear hear

Posted by: Beto Ochoa at September 30, 2022 12:51 PM (dzZCL)

405 Shannon Brandt, murderer of Cayler Ellingson is now charged with felony murder.

https://bit.ly/3Rqhsvk

Posted by: bonhomme at September 30, 2022 12:51 PM (eyxn4)

406 Sexually transmitted diseases exploded in 2021, with syphilis rates reaching levels not seen in decades, according to an official from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Syphilis, a bacterial disease that shows up as genital sores and can lead to other diseases and even death, showed a huge increase last year. The rate of syphilis cases reached its highest level since 1991, while the total number of cases rose to its highest level since 1948, just three years after World War II. HIV cases also rose 16 percent from 2020 to 2021,The Guardian reports.

Syphilis bottomed out in the U.S. in the late 1990s, with the CDC hoping to fully eradicate the disease. Only years later, syphilis rates would start rising; by 2021, more than 52,000 cases were reported.

Posted by: SMOD at September 30, 2022 12:52 PM (RHGPo)

407 >>- I think the issue, Garrett, is probably related to POV/taste. You see, VH songs are predominantly about getting laid by hot women. Not your cup of tea, for sure, but some of us think they're awesome.

Look. You are free to like gay bands and gay music.

Van Halen was gay as fuck.

I'll take Minor Threat all day, every day.

Posted by: garrett at September 30, 2022 12:52 PM (NUExE)

408 Being played by a comedian is so rewarding.

Posted by: Unkaren at September 30, 2022 12:52 PM (YnFFY)

409 Yes there is. A Van Cherone fan.
Posted by: Mark1971 at September 30, 2022 12:50 PM (xPl2J)
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I like Cherone ... with Extreme. I was kind of rooting for him in VH.

Posted by: Axeman at September 30, 2022 12:52 PM (krQz2)

410 At some point, we have to say, "enough with the threats. Let's get it over with."

I think that time is now.

Posted by: thesgm at September 30, 2022

Who is this? Is this a call for nuclear war? Are you nuts?
Since when is a hot war better than a cold war? Cold wars are fought economically and may the Capitalists win.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 30, 2022 12:52 PM (Y+l9t)

411 My previous point is: if we respond to their threat favorable now, what will we say when they do it again?

Is Lithuania worth a nuclear war?

I was a bullied kid. You don't back down from a bully and you should embrace his threat. if we don't do that, we might as well give the world to Putin because he will just keep moving.

Posted by: thesgm at September 30, 2022 12:52 PM (VhDvQ)

412 386 I honestly thought Taiwan would have been invaded months ago.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards
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Amphibious operations are notoriously difficult and Taiwan would be a very hard nut to crack without destroying what you want (the CPU and chips infrastructure). They are also dependent on things like tides, prevailing winds, and so on. Then, you have to have enough Navy and landing ships to put enough troops on a beach head and give them air cover in time to build up enough troops to take over.

Posted by: whig at September 30, 2022 12:52 PM (CXr4y)

413 Is there a single accurate source on how this war is actually going?

The Western media is determined to gaslight us at every turn and if it were remotely accurate, Russia would have 100 suffered 100 million casualties by now.

Of course Russia has its own propaganda as well.

I really have no idea who's winning. All I know is I thought this would have been over a while ago.

Posted by: Blago at September 30, 2022 12:52 PM (PwNLq)

414 At some point, we have to say, "enough with the threats. Let's get it over with."

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The problem being

1) Biden started it with his "Ukraine is going to join NATO" silliness

2) Russia can make a decent case that they went into Ukraine for the same reason we flew across an ocean to secure weapons labs in Iraq. And they didn't have to fly thousands of miles across an ocean.

https://youtu.be/ydSf57SRtcQ

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 30, 2022 12:52 PM (wXOk6)

415 The US had shipped more then 2.5M tons of goods to the Soviets by Stalingrad.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 30, 2022 12:52 PM (ESjRY)

416
He's gotten everything he asked for so far. So he's asking for this. Now the West has a choice - tell Z no, or go to war with Russia.
Posted by: blaster at September 30, 2022 12:45 PM (pwExq)

Tell Zdogg, no. Or allow Hungary to veto him. If Biden droned him, I'd be cool with it.

Posted by: CN at September 30, 2022 12:52 PM (Zzbjj)

417 At some point, we have to say, "enough with the threats. Let's get it over with."

I think that time is now.
Posted by: thesgm at September 30, 2022 12:48 PM (VhDvQ)

Yeah, okay. Seems kinda like maybe the decision to go to nuclear war takes a LITTLE more consideration. Am I willing to have a nuclear war over Ukraine? No, I am not. I am not willing to have a conventional war over Ukraine.

There is really only one country I think that the US should entertain nuclear war to protect.

Posted by: blaster at September 30, 2022 12:52 PM (pwExq)

418 I really doubt Lend-Lease was material to the Soviet resource situation by June '42, when Operation Blue launched. Or even by the time of the Stalingrad defeat. Real impact wasn't until later.

Then you're wrong. American Lend Lease, through Murmansk, was pretty much the logistics of the Soviet Army. They hated our tanks, because theirs were better. They hated our planes, because they were too complicated. But they loved our trucks and our food and our fuel and our radios.

Without Lend Lease through Murmansk ? The Soviets would have been exactly what Hitler thought they were. A very large, very immobile force. Easily cut up, the way Germany liked to play the game.

Posted by: Mustang at September 30, 2022 12:52 PM (gAzHd)

419 This is the kind of thing that pushes Ukraine into the fully bad side. They had a slight edge over Russia because they were the ones who were invaded without any just cause. Its not like they blew up buildings in Russia or were at war, they just were being corrupt aholes, just like Russia.

But this? This demonstrates zero interest in actually ending things or finding peace. I don't give a rip if they want to be in NATO because I think NATO is worthless. But I do care that they are refusing to even discuss peace negotiations. That does not indicate someone who wants to fix things. It indicates someone who is a puppet of forces who want eternal war.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 30, 2022 12:53 PM (Ivdso)

420 Russia isn't entitled to roll across the border with troops simply because they don't like who seized power and how - even if it's a Western-prog astroturfed revolution.

Yes they are, and for the same reason we have the Monroe doctrine here.

Posted by: Stan at September 30, 2022 12:53 PM (kOpft)

421 Yesterday, he addressed the peoples of the Caucasus, Siberia and other indigenous peoples of Russia. "Dagestanis do not have to die in a vile and disgraceful war of Russia." More, his Twitter. (I'm now waiting for some U.S. based group to make new demands as indigenous peoples of Russia.)

My opinion, we'll have this crap as long as the Brezinskis, Vindmans, Calupa sisters, etc. (many directly involved in Trump's impeachment) fuel it and make policy through their various NGOs and our government. Plus, support Zelensky so that entitles every other woke group and caucus to present their lists of demands for government fulfillment.

Posted by: Lola at September 30, 2022 12:53 PM (NIYa7)

422 I'll take Minor Threat all day, every day.
Posted by: garrett at September 30, 2022 12:52 PM (NUExE)
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Is the minor threatening you, or are you threatening the minor?

'Cause I know which one is preferable!

Posted by: Joe Biden at September 30, 2022 12:53 PM (t0OGg)

423 I honestly thought Taiwan would have been invaded months ago.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards

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I'm not joking when I say they're waiting until we stop drawing down our Strategic Reserves. We will struggle worse after that.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 30, 2022 12:53 PM (wXOk6)

424 Go Team Red!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 30, 2022 12:47 PM (LvTSG)

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Not sure what you mean.

Posted by: Seems Legit at September 30, 2022 12:53 PM (Lv84X)

425 Zelensky is Vicoria Nuland/Obama puppet.
And Mark Warner is the lead guy for payback money

Posted by: jb at September 30, 2022 12:53 PM (MFMP+)

426 Late to this one, but Zelenski is a little megalomaniac prick.. No more money should be wasted on Ukraine period

Posted by: It's me donna at September 30, 2022 12:53 PM (bs+z0)

427 Russia under Putin is our enemy, and always will be.

Putin is a natural ally for American citizens against the globalist progressives.

Progressives and their false government are not of us and never will be.
Posted by: Stan at September 30, 2022 12:51 PM (kOpft)
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Yeah, but who's going to believe Stan, hisself?!!

Posted by: Axeman at September 30, 2022 12:53 PM (krQz2)

428 Never did care much at all for The Kinks. That's just me, mileage may vary.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 30, 2022 12:54 PM (Xrfse)

429 There is really only one country I think that the US should entertain nuclear war to protect.
Posted by: blaster at September 30, 2022 12:52 PM (pwExq)
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Luxembourg?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 30, 2022 12:54 PM (YIVH2)

430 He also describes how on June 22, 1941, Berlin was a silent ghost-town. The public reaction was fairly rational. Shock and despair.
Posted by: rhomboid

The shock and awe came in '45.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 30, 2022 12:54 PM (FVME7)

431 "The Ukes are still taking volunteers. Tell you what, I'll gift you all my airline points. Go put a stop to it. I can probably get you there business class.
Posted by: Mustang at September 30, 2022 12:43 PM (gAzHd)"

I've aged past my foot soldiering days - been out since the days of woodland camo - but I'm plenty able to donate supplies. Meanwhile they already have over 100k foreign volunteers already that they don't have small arms and individual equipment for.

One would think on a smart military blog with so many vets that "hurr, durr, then you go volunteer, haha!" would be recognized as an exceptionally lame and dishonest rhetorical device.

Posted by: somedood at September 30, 2022 12:54 PM (BbSpR)

432 > My father ran an arena through the 80s and 90s, and confirmed the explanation above of having the M&M clause as a test to see how closely everything was read. If the M&Ms were wrong, they knew they'd have problems, and the crew would double check everything before the show.

I believe this is true, but the neutral smell clause is much more difficult to comply with than the M&M clause.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 30, 2022 12:54 PM (eyxn4)

433 424 Go Team Red!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 30, 2022 12:47 PM (LvTSG)

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Not sure what you mean.
Posted by: Seems Legit at September 30, 2022 12:53 PM (Lv84X)

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That Crenshaw is going to easily win his election because we can't possibly vote for anyone else because it could throw the whole House to the Democrats!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 30, 2022 12:55 PM (LvTSG)

434 Eddie Van Halen's first choice to replace Roth was Patty Smyth of Scandal. She turned down an audition. She is a great rock singer and I actually think it might have worked.

Posted by: Mark1971 at September 30, 2022 12:55 PM (xPl2J)

435 426 Late to this one, but Zelenski is a little megalomaniac prick.. No more money should be wasted on Ukraine period
Posted by: It's me donna at September 30, 2022 12:53 PM (bs+z0)

Yep. He's bled Ukraine white. He needs to resign and escape, or not escape. I hate him

Posted by: CN at September 30, 2022 12:55 PM (Zzbjj)

436 I'm not saying we won't get our hair mussed. 20, 30 million tops.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 30, 2022 12:55 PM (lz5hY)

437 The grift must flow!

Posted by: Fifth Stage WEF Navigator at September 30, 2022 12:55 PM (AiZBA)

438

In case no one already mentioned it, when the Russians cut off the adoption of infants and children to the USA (which a lot of gays participated in) because of some horrific results, the folks on the left cleared the path to start hating Russia. Hillary knew that blaming Russia for her loss would sit well with her base.

If there's a WWIII, that's what future historians should record as the 'root cause' on their home made papyrus and charcoal pencils.

Posted by: Divide by Zero at September 30, 2022 12:55 PM (y3pKJ)

439 389 I'm still trying to figure out why Russia has made such a "big deal" about the possibility of NATO parking its nuclear arsenal in Ukraine?
Those paranoid Ruskies have been consistently issuing hollow warnings on the subject for well over a decade now. What are they so worried about?

Can anyone explain this?

I mean it's not like we would care if Russia teamed with Mexico and aimed hundreds of ICBMs at us.
So what gives?

Posted by: Bach in Black at September 30, 2022 12:49 PM (7ubmG)

When your country has been almost conquered a number of times, beginning with the Tatars (Mongols), you might become paranoid forever about all foreigners.

Posted by: Gref at September 30, 2022 12:55 PM (AMIL/)

440 By the way there's not much evidence anyone pushed Ukraine to join NATO. But Ukraine just demanded to be in NATO. That's a whole nother ballgame

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 30, 2022 12:55 PM (Ivdso)

441 Shannon Brandt, murderer of Cayler Ellingson is now charged with felony murder.

https://bit.ly/3Rqhsvk
Posted by: bonhomme at September 30, 2022 12:51 PM (eyxn4)

Some good news. And I don't mind that it took the DA a few days to dot all the i's and cross all the t's.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 30, 2022 12:55 PM (+KhTi)

442
Is Lithuania worth a nuclear war?

Sounds like a great question for the EU to decide on, leaving us out of it.

To paraphrase a past German leader, Ukraine isn't worth the life of a single Punxsutawney Grenadier...

Posted by: 18-1 at September 30, 2022 12:55 PM (ESjRY)

443 ---
Moar Bacon!
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 30, 2022 12:42 PM (YIVH2)

That's hot.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 30, 2022 12:55 PM (Zz0t1)

444 413 Is there a single accurate source on how this war is actually going?

Posted by: Blago
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You have to do the work--there is no single source but you have to evaluate multiple sources including various countries.

Posted by: whig at September 30, 2022 12:56 PM (CXr4y)

445 A small nuclear exchange would be a great reason to cancel the coming elections.

Russian nuclear strikes on "American" cities would take out the Dems' ballot stuffing operatives, so they'd have to call of the elections.

Posted by: Stan at September 30, 2022 12:56 PM (kOpft)

446 but the neutral smell clause is much more difficult to comply with than the M&M clause.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 30, 2022 12:54 PM (eyxn4)
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But it prevents the back rooms from smelling like piss.

Posted by: Axeman at September 30, 2022 12:56 PM (krQz2)

447 Luxembourg?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 30, 2022 12:54 PM (YIVH2)

Only our own country. Certainly not the Ukes

Posted by: CN at September 30, 2022 12:56 PM (Zzbjj)

448 That Crenshaw is going to easily win his election because we can't possibly vote for anyone else because it could throw the whole House to the Democrats!
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster at September 30, 2022 12:55 PM (LvTSG)

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Totally agree.

I thought you were implying I'm super pro Russia or something. I'm not, but this Ukraine shit is ridiculous.

Posted by: Seems Legit at September 30, 2022 12:56 PM (Lv84X)

449 There is really only one country I think that the US should entertain nuclear war to protect.
Posted by: blaster at September 30, 2022 12:52 PM (pwExq)
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Luxembourg?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 30, 2022 12:54 PM (YIVH2)

The Grand Duchy of Fenwick?

Posted by: Count de Monet at September 30, 2022 12:56 PM (4I/2K)

450 419 This is the kind of thing that pushes Ukraine into the fully bad side. They had a slight edge over Russia because they were the ones who were invaded without any just cause. Its not like they blew up buildings in Russia or were at war, they just were being corrupt aholes, just like Russia.

But this? This demonstrates zero interest in actually ending things or finding peace. I don't give a rip if they want to be in NATO because I think NATO is worthless. But I do care that they are refusing to even discuss peace negotiations. That does not indicate someone who wants to fix things. It indicates someone who is a puppet of forces who want eternal war.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 30, 2022 12:53 PM (Ivdso)

Ukraine is like Armenia between the Persians and the Romans.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at September 30, 2022 12:56 PM (eYoxG)

451 Is Lithuania worth a nuclear war?

The Baltic States aren't worth a conventional war. I have no idea why they are in NATO, or why NATO even exists at this point. I'm not ever putting my ass on the line for NATO commitments. Not any of them. If that means the bullies win, then I guess I was just too dumb to understand the afterschool specials.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 30, 2022 12:56 PM (KFhLj)

452 Is there a single accurate source on how this war is actually going?

Posted by: Blago
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That is: who is not playing Baghdad Bob?

Posted by: Axeman at September 30, 2022 12:56 PM (krQz2)

453 Russia under Putin is our enemy, and always will be.

Putin is a natural ally for American citizens against the globalist progressives.

Progressives and their false government are not of us and never will be.

A natural ally? He's a fascist dictator.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 30, 2022 12:56 PM (CCf67)

454 Putin is a thug but pretending the west doesn't bear at least as much responsibility for the war in Ukraine as Putin is missing the truth.
Posted by: JackStraw at September 30, 2022 12:51 PM (ZLI7S)
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Well said.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 30, 2022 12:57 PM (5pTK/)

455 >>I mean it's not like we would care if Russia teamed with Mexico and aimed hundreds of ICBMs at us.

We seemed to get a bit perturbed when they tried to do just that in Cuba.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 30, 2022 12:57 PM (ZLI7S)

456 Have we hears from Admiral Painter yet ?

Posted by: Doyle Hargrave at September 30, 2022 12:57 PM (2cfUo)

457 *does own part to keep thread Prometheus free*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, searching for the Invisible Man with Dracula and Frankenstein's monster

Your sacrifice on our behalf is well-noted, Sir.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 30, 2022 12:57 PM (zrlG8)

458 Who is this? Is this a call for nuclear war? Are you nuts? Since when is a hot war better than a cold war? Cold wars are fought economically and may the Capitalists win. Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 30, 2022 12:52 PM (Y+l9t)

What's the saying -- we might get our hair mussed, but ten to twenty million killed, tops?

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 30, 2022 12:57 PM (7B5FA)

459 "Putin is a natural ally for American citizens against the globalist progressives.

Progressives and their false government are not of us and never will be.
Posted by: Stan at September 30, 2022 12:51 PM (kOpft)"

Stupid take. Putin is the latest face of the century+ of brutal nutballs running that place, who have a continuity with those who fostered the wannabe brutal nutballs running OUR place. Neither group is on our side.

Posted by: somedood at September 30, 2022 12:57 PM (BbSpR)

460 It's as plain as the nose on Pinocchio's face.

Zman is blackmailing the corrupt western big-shots with the threat of exposing their corruption in Ukraine.

Posted by: davidt at September 30, 2022 12:57 PM (oTZbj)

461 One would think on a smart military blog with so many vets that "hurr, durr, then you go volunteer, haha!" would be recognized as an exceptionally lame and dishonest rhetorical device.

Posted by: somedood at September 30, 2022 12:54 PM (BbSpR)

Then you're wrong. Because anytime I hear "We" - that implies "Me". And I'm simply not part of the group. So unless you've got a mouse in your pocket - change out that "We need to do XYZ" for "I need to do XYZ".

Posted by: Mustang at September 30, 2022 12:57 PM (gAzHd)

462 How well has pushing the Russian people to pick between an unpopular dictator and foreign invaders worked out historically?

Posted by: Nearsighted Cyclopes at September 30, 2022 12:58 PM (PbwT0)

463 Another disturbing headline about the shooting in Oakland comes from the ABC7 I-Team, law enforcement sources tell us school officials have sent text messages to shooting victims, instructing them not to cooperate with police.

We're hearing it's a pattern, and some parents at the school are worried that a lack of action by school officials after previous incidents may have led to this escalation in violence.

Six people were injured after a shooting at an Oakland campus that houses multiple schools on Wednesday, police said. Two of them are students.

Law enforcement sources tell the I-Team, Oakland police investigators have obtained text messages from the shooting victims' phones in which Rudsdale school officials tell them not to cooperate with police.

Posted by: SMOD at September 30, 2022 12:58 PM (RHGPo)

464 Russia isn't entitled to roll across the border with troops simply because they don't like who seized power and how - even if it's a Western-prog astroturfed revolution.

Right, there are international treaties, rules, and laws about when and when you cannot justly and properly attack another nation. Internal politics is NOT one of them.

Keeping outside influence from meddling with an area is not in any remotest sane sense the same as "We're rolling into your country with tanks and bombs"

That said, Ukraine is now showing that they want no resolution here, only war and a steady supply of billions of dollars every month.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 30, 2022 12:58 PM (Ivdso)

465 The open border is YUGE benefit.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 30, 2022 12:33 PM (t0OGg)

You're telling me. My bank account balance looks like the sale amount indicator on a gas pump. Hee hee. -- Joey Biden during a lucid moment

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at September 30, 2022 12:58 PM (z99Zw)

466 Putin will just keep moving based on your experience as a bullied kid? Grow the fuck up or start drinking to calm down. Jebus.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at September 30, 2022 12:58 PM (oWBc3)

467 Stock market is crashing
Inflation is out of control
Trans Army DRs are selling Medical Info to the Russians at Bragg
Jackie is in the House
Our Borders are wide open

Great job biden

Any even one democratic might win in November? WTF?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 30, 2022 12:58 PM (dO/0d)

468 There are no good guys in this

Posted by: It's me donna at September 30, 2022 12:58 PM (bs+z0)

469 Luxembourg?

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Andorra.

Posted by: mrp at September 30, 2022 12:58 PM (6eRlp)

470 "Russia under Putin is our enemy, and always will be. If you want your enemies to get more powerful, you are a loser "

Biden has made Russia wealthy with his war on fossil fuels. It's what finances their war. If the price dropped back to Trump era prices it would do more than any war in Ukraine to weaken them.

I wonder why he won't unleash the American oil
Industry and allow them to increase production to the point it lowers the barrel price to a level it basically bankrupts Russia?

Posted by: Marcus T at September 30, 2022 12:58 PM (tDEa7)

471 419 This is the kind of thing that pushes Ukraine into the fully bad side. They had a slight edge over Russia because they were the ones who were invaded without any just cause. Its not like they blew up buildings in Russia or were at war, they just were being corrupt aholes, just like Russia.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 30, 2022 12:53 PM (Ivdso)

_________________________

I tend to agree but Ukraine is hardly blameless in how they treated "Russian" areas of Ukraine. Plus, a lot of this is Russia's response to endless Western meddling and expansion into areas that Russia said 100x were off limits. Ukraine -- with the assistance of the West -- kept poking the bear over and over. The bear finally bit back. None of this means I think Putin is a good guy. he's clearly not. But Ukraine is just as bad and Zelensky is a corrupt, wannabe tyrant.

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 30, 2022 12:58 PM (iFTx/)

472 Facebook scrambles to escape stock’s death spiral as users flee, sales drop

.. I mean, Mark Z is no longer in the Top 10 Richest

Posted by: SMOD at September 30, 2022 12:58 PM (RHGPo)

473 453. The F word again. Tossed about like a salad. Sick of the accusation and anyone who makes it, just like "nazi". People should stop with the WWII bs.

Posted by: CN at September 30, 2022 12:58 PM (Zzbjj)

474 Eddie Van Halen was a MAJOR ego, proved by bringing Gary Cherone to lead sing.

Van Halen III was an abomination released upon the masses and should be destroyed with fire.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 30, 2022 12:58 PM (Zz0t1)

475 Off, evil sockpuppet.

Posted by: Methos at September 30, 2022 12:59 PM (kOpft)

476 Shannon Brandt, murderer of Cayler Ellingson is now charged with felony murder.

https://bit.ly/3Rqhsvk
Posted by: bonhomme

In the last ten days . . .

https://bit.ly/3dWy0xo

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 30, 2022 12:59 PM (FVME7)

477 There ain't no good guys.
There ain't no bad guys.
It's just you and me and
we just disagree.

Posted by: Zelensky crooning to Putin at September 30, 2022 12:59 PM (4I/2K)

478 Good morning, fellow fascists.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at September 30, 2022 12:59 PM (yHsuS)

479 Russia did not have to be the enemy of America Putin as President or not.

Anyone remember the reset button? That whole thing? Russia, and Putin, were perfectly fine when it was Obama and Hillary. We were fighting as allies on the same battlefields in places like Afghanistan and Syria. And yet, here we are. All because they had to get Trump.

Posted by: blaster at September 30, 2022 12:59 PM (pwExq)

480 None of this means I think Putin is a good guy. he's clearly not. But Ukraine is just as bad and Zelensky is a corrupt, wannabe tyrant.
Posted by: Elric Blade at September 30, 2022 12:58 PM (iFTx/)

Not our fight and we should GTFO

Posted by: CN at September 30, 2022 12:59 PM (Zzbjj)

481 Putin is a natural ally for American citizens against the globalist progressives.

All of the mafia dons were pretty conservative culturally and would have despised this crazy crap going on. That doesn't make them natural allies. Putin is an evil dictator, who also happens to oppose our enemies in some ways, but is still largely collectivist and murders political rivals and people who question him like you swat flies.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 30, 2022 01:00 PM (Ivdso)

482 Federal Reserve announces major ‘pilot exercise’ for ESG social credit score system..."Climate finance" is almost identical to that of the Chinese Communist Party's social credit score system.

Posted by: SMOD at September 30, 2022 01:00 PM (RHGPo)

483
One would think on a smart military blog with so many vets that "hurr, durr, then you go volunteer, haha!" would be recognized as an exceptionally lame and dishonest rhetorical device.
Posted by: somedood at September 30, 2022 12:54 PM (BbSpR)

Not if the US has no interest in the war, and nobody outside the beltway but a few kneejerk interventionists wants a war. Then it's just a special interest. If someone finds it to be their interest they are are always free to get on a plane and go do a bayonet charge against the Russians, with the Azov rifles at their back.

But leave the rest of the country the fuck out of these febrile paranoiac fantasies, please. Russia ain't dominating any globe any time soon, and we have no business in this nonsense.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 30, 2022 01:00 PM (oINRc)

484 There are no good guys in this
Posted by: It's me donna at September 30, 2022 12:58 PM (bs+z0)

However, there ARE good tits.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 30, 2022 01:00 PM (Zz0t1)

485 I sincerely believe Trump/Pomeo would have handled this clusterf8ck without giving our fortunes away.

Posted by: Seems Legit at September 30, 2022 01:00 PM (Lv84X)

486 Putin is a madman who has threatened to use nukes and it is proper to ignore madmen lest people take them seriously/

Posted by: Kindltot at September 30, 2022 01:00 PM (xhaym)

487 Biden rejects Putin’s ‘fraudulent’ Ukrainian annexations

.. I bet he sent Vlad a strongly-worded letter

Posted by: SMOD at September 30, 2022 01:01 PM (RHGPo)

488 A TN plastic surgeon uses an uncensored topless 15 year old girl as an advertisement for his "top surgery" butchery business.

Apparently this is not illegal.

https://bit.ly/3C02R47

Posted by: bonhomme at September 30, 2022 01:01 PM (eyxn4)

489 There are no good guys in this
Posted by: It's me donna at September 30, 2022 12:58 PM (bs+z0)

However, there ARE good tits.
Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 30, 2022 01:00 PM (Zz0t1)

Silver linings

Posted by: Hatari somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 30, 2022 01:01 PM (M+Lyo)

490 What kind of a fool would think that Russia had a vested national-security interest in keeping NATO from installing hundreds of nuclear-tipped ICBMs in Ukraine pointed at Russia?

That's just pure foolish tomfoolery right there!

Posted by: Bach in Black at September 30, 2022 01:01 PM (7ubmG)

491 The compassion of the left . . .

Lesley Abravanel@lesleyabravanel
Volunteer Florida, the "charity" the governor's all of a sudden involved wife is hawking, is shady. Bad gateway on web, no one answers phones. Ron brags about the state's huge surplus.He got half a bil for emergencies from POTUS. Do NOT donate to the state.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 30, 2022 01:01 PM (FVME7)

492 With the possibility of Nuclear war at Our doorstep I'm so relieved to have a leader like Joe Biden at the helm..... I just made myself gag writing that

Posted by: It's me donna at September 30, 2022 01:01 PM (bs+z0)

493 None of this means I think Putin is a good guy. he's clearly not. But Ukraine is just as bad and Zelensky is a corrupt, wannabe tyrant.
Posted by: Elric Blade

Not our fight and we should GTFO
Posted by: CN

Yep, that's a good summary. At this point its tough to see who is worse and we have absolutely no justification for being involved at any level except economically (pressure Russia to not invade, etc)

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 30, 2022 01:01 PM (Ivdso)

494 All of the mafia dons were pretty conservative culturally and would have despised this crazy crap going on. That doesn't make them natural allies. Putin is an evil dictator, who also happens to oppose our enemies in some ways, but is still largely collectivist and murders political rivals and people who question him like you swat flies.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 30, 2022 01:00 PM (Ivdso)

Libya should be a lesson to those who wish to run around overthrowing the world's dictators though. Even if we can (which it's not at all clear that we could in this case, and would likely be very expensive) it's not necessarily the case we should.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at September 30, 2022 01:01 PM (eYoxG)

495 .. I bet he sent Vlad a strongly-worded letter
Posted by: SMOD at September 30, 2022 01:01 PM (RHGPo)

I don't think sabotaging NS2 was a letter.

Posted by: CN at September 30, 2022 01:02 PM (Zzbjj)

496 Tell me more about this-

Hawt War in the Ukraine.

I seem to have missed that aspect of things.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 30, 2022 01:02 PM (KLPy8)

497 I'm having a mid day drink, and instead of a screwdriver, I picked up a small bottle of Galiano. Yeah baby, the Harvey Wallbanger is back. This could lead to something and I hope it ain't disco.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 30, 2022 01:02 PM (lz5hY)

498 386
If Taiwan is smart, they have a wall of missiles aimed at the Three Gorges Dam.
Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at September 30, 2022 12:48 PM

Ha ha! Joke's on you, round-eye! With historic drought, dam not holding back any water at the moment!

Posted by: Chinese Moron at September 30, 2022 01:02 PM (JCZqz)

499 469. I never understood why Samantha’s mother got her own country.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 30, 2022 01:02 PM (AIR/R)

500 The hard truth is Putin has bombed and invaded far less countries than we have based on 'National security' .

And every evil player on the Left is an advocate for Ukraine. If you're going to make me choose a side , I will have to consider that for my default position. Bottom line is Ukraine was never in our national interest and we should have stayed out of that area. A pox on both their houses.

Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2022 01:03 PM (lKM6R)

501 -
Zman is blackmailing the corrupt western big-shots with the threat of exposing their corruption in Ukraine.

Posted by: davidt at September 30, 2022 12:57 PM -
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This. It wouldn't surprise me if he and Putin are in it together.

Posted by: irright at September 30, 2022 01:03 PM (SchQD)

502 A natural ally? He's a fascist dictator.

Who opposes the globalist progressives.

If we can put up with the Saudis, we can put up with Putin.

Posted by: Methos at September 30, 2022 01:03 PM (kOpft)

503 Two Minutes to Midnight

https://youtu.be/9qbRHY1l0vc

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at September 30, 2022 01:03 PM (yHsuS)

504 There are no good guys in this.

Nope. There are not. But that's another common theme in 2020s Bizzaro World. Every single damn conflict has to have a good guy and a bad guy. And everybody has to go all in, one way or the other.

I blame it on the Cold War. Back then, as well, everybody went all in, one way or the other. Its how we got shit like Vietnam. Where the typical dude in a hut tending a rice paddie got caught in the middle of awful shit that only made his standard of living worse.

Now do Syria. Hell, do Iraq. Do just about everywhere the Russians or us Americans go. To steal a line from A Bridge Too Far - somebody somewhere decided to play the war game. Everybody dies.

Posted by: Mustang at September 30, 2022 01:03 PM (gAzHd)

505 A TN plastic surgeon uses an uncensored topless 15 year old girl as an advertisement for his "top surgery" butchery business.

I guess its legally consistent, even if insane. If you decide this is a boy, then topless boys are completely legal.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 30, 2022 01:03 PM (Ivdso)

506 Pelosi Says Dems Created “Lower Costs, Bigger Paychecks & Safer Communities”…

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Must be some of that horse tranquilizer/street drug mix.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? at September 30, 2022 01:03 PM (FVME7)

507 Andorra.
Posted by: mrp

Endora can take care of herself.

Posted by: the less gay Darren at September 30, 2022 01:03 PM (AWztB)

508 Posted by: somedood at September 30, 2022 12:49 PM (BbSpR)

The most effective protest against the eternal mask mandates was just ignoring them and living your life normally. Trying to out crazy the insane is just going to make everyone hate you too.

Posted by: Sjg at September 30, 2022 01:04 PM (gDSJf)

509 You want to depose Putin? You break it, you own it.

Posted by: Zombie Colon Powell at September 30, 2022 01:04 PM (oTZbj)

510 Yep, that's a good summary. At this point its tough to see who is worse and we have absolutely no justification for being involved at any level except economically (pressure Russia to not invade, etc)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 30, 2022 01:01 PM (Ivdso)

And pressure Zdogg to stop as well. He's thrown too many men to the slaughter to stay in power and NOT negotiate. Pull the plug on him. At this point Biden can call him a liar and blackmailer (which he always was) if he does an info drop.

Posted by: CN at September 30, 2022 01:04 PM (Zzbjj)

511 384...Certain demographics - in the double digits - just like to see the American flag wherever shit is blowing up. And they hate seeing shit blow up without an American flag.
Posted by: Mustang at September 30, 2022 12:48 PM (gAzHd)

Those would be the neocons.

Posted by: Flyover's Kohlrabi at September 30, 2022 01:04 PM (Rbu5d)

512 Aren't both countries members of the United Nations?
Aren't border disputes supposed to be settled there?
(she says desperately trying to hold back the laughter).
Where are all the resolutions calling for the combatants to come t o the table and negotiate a settlement?

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 30, 2022 01:04 PM (Y+l9t)

513 488 A TN plastic surgeon uses an uncensored topless 15 year old girl as an advertisement for his "top surgery" butchery business.

Apparently this is not illegal.

https://bit.ly/3C02R47

Posted by: bonhomme at September 30, 2022 01:01 PM (eyxn4)

It is a money-making racket hiding behind a health care and minority rights front.

Posted by: Gref at September 30, 2022 01:04 PM (AMIL/)

514 Anyone remember the reset button? That whole thing? Russia, and Putin, were perfectly fine when it was Obama and Hillary. We were fighting as allies on the same battlefields in places like Afghanistan and Syria. And yet, here we are. All because they had to get Trump.
Posted by: blaster at September 30, 2022 12:59 PM (pwExq)

I do suspect that after dealing (terminally at times) with powerful oligarchs at the beginning of his rule, Putin had no interest in inviting the Clintons in to feast.
Ukraine is a way is revenge for Russia saying "no"

Posted by: Kindltot at September 30, 2022 01:04 PM (xhaym)

515 Libya should be a lesson to those who wish to run around overthrowing the world's dictators though

Its not our job to overthrow dictators. Its our job to protect the USA and deal with threats to it. Yes, it sucks that North Korea is a hell hole run by lunatic monsters. But its also none of our business as a nation.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 30, 2022 01:05 PM (Ivdso)

516 I sincerely believe Trump/Pomeo would have handled this clusterf8ck without giving our fortunes away.
Posted by: Seems Legit at September 30, 2022 01:00 PM (Lv84X)

I sincerely believe that no one in the Trump White House was up to their eyeballs in Ukrainian money-laundering schemes. Burisma.

Posted by: mrp at September 30, 2022 01:05 PM (6eRlp)

517 >>I sincerely believe Trump/Pomeo would have handled this clusterf8ck without giving our fortunes away.

It never would have happened. In fact, it didn't.

People really need to go back and look at the history of NATO and eastward expansion. Just start with the Bucharest NATO Summit in 2008 and look at what happened since.

Bush, Obama and Biden all made overt or subtle moves to include Georgia and Ukraine into NATO and then of course the Maidan coup of 2013. Putin retaliated each time including this latest invasion of Ukraine. Putin may be a thug but he did what he said he would do if we kept pushing. The only one in that period who didn't was Trump.

And the neocons hate him for it.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 30, 2022 01:05 PM (ZLI7S)

518 Singles. Yes.
But, try and listen to their LPs cover to cover.
They are terrible.

Posted by: garrett

BANISHED TO THE OUTTER DARKNESS!!!

Posted by: Sharkman at September 30, 2022 01:05 PM (zrlG8)

519 Pelosi Says Dems Created “Lower Costs, Bigger Paychecks & Safer Communities”…

Sometimes there just aren't enough Pinocchios.

Posted by: blaster at September 30, 2022 01:05 PM (pwExq)

520 You want to depose Putin? You break it, you own it.

Posted by: Zombie Colon Powell at September 30, 2022 01:04 PM (oTZbj)

Who imagined that his plans included the United States.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 30, 2022 01:05 PM (xhaym)

521 Let's send him all the illegals and tell him to castrate them.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 30, 2022 01:05 PM (4eKPg)

522 I sincerely believe Trump/Pomeo would have handled this clusterf8ck without giving our fortunes away.
Posted by: Seems Legit at September 30, 2022 01:00 PM (Lv84X)
++++
With Trump and Pompeo, this war wouldn't be going on. Putin quite firmly set his "red lines" after the second Western coup in Ukraine in 2014: eastern expansion of NATO and color revolutions in his sphere of influence. We can argue whether those red lines are just or reasonable, but he was quite clear about them.

Then what does the Biden administration do in the autumn of last year? First was an attempted revolution in Kazakhstan that the Russians invaded to snuff out. I don't think it's certain that this was an attempted color revolution, but it has a lot of elements of that playbook. Shortly after that, we had Secretary Austin talk publicly about NATO's "open-door policy" for Ukraine. Both red lines were violated in the space of three months, and neither would have occurred with Trump and Pompeo at the helm.

The third factor - ability to finance it - would have been much less compelling under Trump's max-energy policy that was keeping the price of oil a helluva lot cheaper than it has been under Biden.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 30, 2022 01:05 PM (t0OGg)

523 502. Opposing globalist, WEF, crap and tranny bullshit makes him better than cross dressing, S&M, Zdogg.

Posted by: CN at September 30, 2022 01:06 PM (Zzbjj)

524 Andorra.
Posted by: mrp

Endora can take care of herself.
Posted by: the less gay Darren at September 30, 2022 01:03 PM (AWztB)

Yub dub.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at September 30, 2022 01:06 PM (AiZBA)

525 12 https://thelawdogfiles.com/2022/09/nordstream.html

Read the above link. Somebody who knows what he's talking about doesn't buy the sabotage angle. Russian pipes blow up all the time because lousy maintenance.

Posted by: Grant Swinger at September 30, 2022 12:04 PM (p0isf)
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Yeah, TWO explosions per pipe, all within hours of each other - must be bad Russian maintenance, specially since this is the first time I hear of them having blowing up problems since going onstream.

Posted by: Ciampino -- somebody will fry using castor oil at September 30, 2022 01:06 PM (qfLjt)

526
The F word again. Tossed about like a salad. Sick of the accusation and anyone who makes it, just like "nazi". People should stop with the WWII bs.
Posted by: CN at September 30, 2022 12:58 PM (Zzbjj)

Compare the definition of fascist with Putin. Which, btw, is hardly a word born of WWII.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 30, 2022 01:06 PM (CCf67)

527 Like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

If we had a functioning opposition party, this might have been prevented. But they are in on it. F you Miss Lindsey and a host of others.

Posted by: Chuck Martel at September 30, 2022 01:06 PM (xpHWM)

528 Putin is driving events while our enfeebled leaders are talking about their lame weather cult and mutilating children's genitals. I don't like Putin and I wouldn't want to live under his thumb, but at least he operates in reality.

And damn the left for putting me in this situation.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at September 30, 2022 01:06 PM (UuD2k)

529 Kameltoe looking through binoculars at NK: Wow, the DMZ is so close.

Army Officer: It's 50 meters away, ma'am.

I think she is still an upgrade over potato Joe.

Sad.

Posted by: Archer at September 30, 2022 01:06 PM (gmo/4)

530 Nood. Slanty horrors.

Posted by: I used to have a different nic, Ashli Babbitt/Rosanne Boyland at September 30, 2022 01:06 PM (z99Zw)

531 I see we are fighting WW2 and WW3 again here

Good Times

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 30, 2022 01:06 PM (dO/0d)

532 By the way, Trevor Noah is quitting the Daily Show. Either he is tired of the job or realized he's just not any good at it because their ratings plunged when he took over from old Clown Nose Stewart.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 30, 2022 01:06 PM (Ivdso)

533 The hard truth is Putin has bombed and invaded far less countries than we have based on 'National security' .

And every evil player on the Left is an advocate for Ukraine. If you're going to make me choose a side , I will have to consider that for my default position. Bottom line is Ukraine was never in our national interest and we should have stayed out of that area. A pox on both their houses.

Posted by: polynikes at September 30, 2022 01:03 PM (lKM6R)

I am not pro-Putin. I am anti-WEF globalists, there is a lot of Western corruption to be exposed there, which partially explains why the usual suspects are keen to barrel headlong into WW3.

Not my war/circus, not my clowns.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at September 30, 2022 01:06 PM (yHsuS)

534 Team America: World Police.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 30, 2022 01:07 PM (tDEa7)

535 If you get a link to the story about the 61 year old NYC female EMT who was stabbed to death yesterday, don't click on it. It is brutal.

Poor woman was just standing in front of her station, 6 months from retirement. Never had a chance.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 30, 2022 01:07 PM (zrlG8)

536 $$$ Don't worry Zelenskyy. $$$ The U.S. senate will keep your government open $$$

Posted by: wth at September 30, 2022 01:08 PM (v0R5T)

537 All of the mafia dons were pretty conservative culturally and would have despised this crazy crap going on. That doesn't make them natural allies. Putin is an evil dictator, who also happens to oppose our enemies in some ways, but is still largely collectivist and murders political rivals and people who question him like you swat flies.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 30, 2022 01:00 PM (Ivdso)

As much as I'd cheer if Putin unleashed the nukes on the next fully-loaded DAVOS meeting. Which would certainly clear the decks of most of his enemies and those financing the destruction of the US.

In no way would I consider him an ally. At best, he'd best the equivalent of the mad dog that tore the throat out of the the child molester down the street.
Love the action. Still, not taking that dog home as a pet.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 30, 2022 01:08 PM (KLPy8)

538 If Ukraine beats Russia explain how that's not in American interests.

Posted by: hurricane567 at September 30, 2022 01:08 PM (kIuoV)

539 Compare the definition of fascist with Putin. Which, btw, is hardly a word born of WWII.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 30, 2022 01:06 PM (CCf67)

If you are looking for best fit for the term, review Wilson and FDR

Posted by: Kindltot at September 30, 2022 01:08 PM (xhaym)

540 This business will get out of control. It will get out of control, and we'll be lucky to live through it.

Posted by: Adm. Josh Painter at September 30, 2022 01:08 PM (a3Q+t)

541 Posted by: JackStraw at September 30, 2022 01:05 PM (ZLI7S)

Yes. And McCain and Graham promised Ukes war with Russia in 2017. Probably part of the reason that pair despised Trump

Posted by: CN at September 30, 2022 01:09 PM (Zzbjj)

542 I'm withholding my opinion until I hear what The Bulwark and The Dispatch guys say.

Say. Has anyone heard what they're saying lately about Joe?

Asking for a friend

Posted by: Steve_in_SoCal at September 30, 2022 01:09 PM (NW9xb)

543 Damit Jim,
I'm not going to cut the dick off a 12 year old boy.
I'm a doctor not a monster.

Posted by: BONES McCOY at September 30, 2022 01:09 PM (z9V4B)

544 Do you remember the U. S. Army, National Guard drills in Philly during the summer? Had lots of press but here's a fairly recent article: The EurAsian Times, Hypersonic ‘Missile Attack’ On New York & Philadelphia, US Army, National Guard Held Drills To ‘Douse The Fire’ By Ashish Dangwal, August 12, 2022
In part, The US Army National Guard recently completed drills that simulated defense against a hypersonic missile attack in Philadelphia. The drill was centered on an unnamed adversary attacking cities along the Eastern Seaboard with lightning-fast hypersonic weapons.

A featured hashtag during the drill: #Peacekeepers

(Note: NYC and LA were drill sites prior years.)

Posted by: Lola at September 30, 2022 01:10 PM (NIYa7)

545 495 I don't think sabotaging NS2 was a letter.

.. If Biden did, in fact, blow up Nord Stream, it was because he didn't want the Europeans (read Germany) to wimp out and go all soft on Putin's demands.

I'm still trying to figure out who in the White House has balls this big.

Posted by: SMOD at September 30, 2022 01:11 PM (RHGPo)

546 519 Nancy Pelosi has never felt the need to carry an emergency C Note tucked away in the wallet, just in case. I now carry two. Used to keep $500 tucked away in cash, and nowadays it's $1K.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 30, 2022 01:11 PM (lz5hY)

547 and I'd like a pony with a horn on its head ... Zelensky can wish for alot of things ... not the sound of a man "winning" the war ...

Posted by: The Dark Lord at September 30, 2022 01:11 PM (5cMUX)

548 I subscribe to Animal Mother's answer when asked what he thought about the Vietnam War:

"I think we're killing the wrong gooks."

Posted by: Random Internet Asshole at September 30, 2022 01:11 PM (8LP6B)

549 Where are all the resolutions calling for the combatants to come t o the table and negotiate a settlement?
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at September 30, 2022 01:04 PM (Y+l9t)

Syria is a UN Member Nation. UN is NOT a State Sponsor of terrorism, on the list. We have US troops in Syria RIGHT NOW.

We are huge hypocrites, and the world knows it.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 30, 2022 01:12 PM (oHd/0)

550 @archer, at least she took the lens covers off (or someone did it before handing the binos to her).

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 30, 2022 01:14 PM (7B5FA)

551 https://tinyurl.com/y4f7b2fd

At 1:10, Graham promises 2017 at the time of offense against Russia. Klobuchar is there, too

Posted by: CN at September 30, 2022 01:14 PM (Zzbjj)

552 538 If Ukraine beats Russia explain how that's not in American interests.
Posted by: hurricane567 at September 30, 2022 01:08 PM (kIuoV)

Simple, it will entrench the Deep State and Neo Cons idea that they can intervene in ANY foreign problem, by spending enough US Money.... even if they destroy the economy doing it.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 30, 2022 01:15 PM (oHd/0)

553 Himmelstoss is going to kick Cornpop's ass. Who ever is running the country has us edging ever closer to a full on war with Russia.

https://youtu.be/CMXRrDswFV0

Posted by: Lost In Space at September 30, 2022 01:15 PM (/qNGG)

554 Simple, it will entrench the Deep State and Neo Cons idea that they can intervene in ANY foreign problem, by spending enough US Money.... even if they destroy the economy doing it.
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 30, 2022 01:15 PM (oHd/0)

Plus they can continue to money launder unabated

Posted by: CN at September 30, 2022 01:15 PM (Zzbjj)

555 I've decided I like Putin.
He is against mutilating children.
He thinks our energy policies are stupid.
He thinks Social media is full of lies.
He wants a negotiated settlement in Ukraine.

I agree.
Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice)

Since 2014, The Ukraine has been nothing but a pain in the ass....interfering in our elections, working against the only decent president we've had this century, shelling and murdering thousands of its own citizens that didn't embrace the coup we helped engineer, and being a grifter's paradise for american and other western politicians while being one of the biggest hubs of black market weapons and human trafficking in the world. Russia ain't perfect, who is. But, as others have said, Putin isn't telling me to die already because I prefer to not be led by perverted antichristian corrupticons

Posted by: Skeptical Schnauzer at September 30, 2022 01:16 PM (h+7ej)

556 "If Ukraine beats Russia explain how that's not in American interests."

Wait... if your Ukraine beats Russia?

Bwahahahaha!

Posted by: Bach in Black at September 30, 2022 01:16 PM (7ubmG)

557 538 If Ukraine beats Russia explain how that's not in American interests.
Posted by: hurricane567 at September 30, 2022 01:08 PM (kIuoV)

General Sline: When we commissioned the Schmectel Corporation to research this precise event sequence scenario, it was determined that the continual stockpiling and development of our nuclear arsenal was becoming self-defeating. A weapon unused is a useless weapon.

Posted by: SMOD at September 30, 2022 01:17 PM (RHGPo)

558 You're forgetting the duck-and-cover coldwar jingo tools forwarding joe bidens Ukrainian war propaganda campaign. Sorry fucks... (thank you for you fucking service.... assholes).

Posted by: MikeN at September 30, 2022 01:19 PM (g7thF)

559

If you are looking for best fit for the term, review Wilson and FDR
Posted by: Kindltot at September 30, 2022 01:08 PM (xhaym)

Democrats both. Unsurprisingly. Moving on, Putin is a fascist. He's not a natural ally to the average American, or any American.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 30, 2022 01:20 PM (CCf67)

560 Remember to maintain the 6 foot spacing, even in the event of a nuclear attack

Posted by: SMOD at September 30, 2022 01:21 PM (RHGPo)

561 If Ukraine beats Russia explain how that's not in American interests. Posted by: hurricane567 at September 30, 2022 01:08 PM (kIuoV)

First, I cannot conceive of any end state that does not include Russia occupying the areas that just voted to join Russia. I could conceive of Russia "buying" them, like we bought the Gadsden Purchase from Mexico after conquering the Southwest in 1848.

Second, we have serious, significant, great power interests in common with Russia, including the functioning of the world economy and energy, as well as not forcing them into alliance with China, Iran, etc. The space thing is minor by comparison, but we continue to work together with them right now. The opium that comes out of Afghanistan primarily moves through Russia and the Russians are doing great work in trying to stop it. We are not at war with them, and the world needs a well-functioning Russia to maintain balance of power.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 30, 2022 01:21 PM (7B5FA)

562 The fall of Russia, the rise of India and China. Then we can keep busy peacekeeping in Africa.

Posted by: Lola at September 30, 2022 01:26 PM (NIYa7)

563 per the Lawdog article the pipelines have been which actually causes more problems than an actual leak. You need both sides of the pipe to cooperate to remove a blockage and that isn't happening currently.

I suggest reading the article sans whatever you think of the players. It is very informative

Posted by: mogsmash at September 30, 2022 01:29 PM (7PKHh)

564 471
they just were being corrupt aholes, just like Russia.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 30, 2022 12:53 PM (Ivdso)
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or the USA. Our Washington Ds and Rs are an abomination.
You do remember how holier-than-thou we were because of a few missiles in Cuba. We are putting Putin in a similar position as JFK.

Posted by: Ciampino --- somebody will fry using castor oil at September 30, 2022 01:29 PM (qfLjt)

565 Ace has always sided with Putin after that topless pic of Putin riding a horse.
Putin invaded a sovereign country
He got what he deserved
Who might still agree with Trump, that Putin's move was "genius"??
The Dark Brandon has emerged

Posted by: Paul at September 30, 2022 01:40 PM (kCDub)

566 The warmongers in this administration and in the country have picked a side.

They're funding Ukraine. BOOM!

Posted by: Dr. Bone at September 30, 2022 01:44 PM (z+OQR)

567
Posted by: Paul at September 30, 2022 01:40 PM (kCDub)

that had to be the worst haiku ever

I award you no points

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 30, 2022 01:59 PM (ENBF0)

568 I really doubt Lend-Lease was material to the Soviet resource situation by June '42, when Operation Blue launched. Or even by the time of the Stalingrad defeat. Real impact wasn't until later.

And Goebbels' diary details his successful staging of Hitler's triumphal return to Berlin after the French armistice, and the public elation (most thought that was it, the war would be over). He also describes how on June 22, 1941, Berlin was a silent ghost-town. The public reaction was fairly rational. Shock and despair.

####I recommend this book - https://tinyurl.com/ycx6snwk. In retrospect, lend-lease was an abomination. FDR was so in thrall to Stalin that he diverted resources from US forces in the Pacific and the U.S. public. He gave the Soviets factories and IPO which gave the USSR extended life. Probably no coincidence those 50 year life factories and the USSR expired at very close to the same time.

Posted by: germanicus3 at September 30, 2022 02:08 PM (kB491)

569 How long after Biden tacitly accept a "limited incursion" did Russia strike at Kyiv?

Hmmm?

We "Flyover Forces" have to clear out every trace of the Democrat Party, before they do it to us first. We are in a war against the most powerful and entrenched criminal organization in American history!! Democrats delenda est!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at September 30, 2022 02:20 PM (peWy1)

570 But leave the rest of the country the fuck out of these febrile paranoiac fantasies, please. Russia ain't dominating any globe any time soon, and we have no business in this nonsense.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at September 30, 2022 01:00 PM (oINRc)

The real reason for the snit our betters are having is that they got their first taste of what they thought was their new, smart way of destroying nations with less fighting - financial service sanctions, blocking payments of debt, all this new power of the bucks rather than the boring old army and navy and it blew up in their faces.

Turns out Russia just made their own payment systems and came out just fine. So they doubled down with gas/oil/food sanctions which they at first planned to avoid, assuming like idiots that Russia would sell them oil and gas while they attacked them and do nothing.

Now they are at the point of blowing up their own way of getting energy just to keep from admitting their initial stupidity.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 30, 2022 02:45 PM (eoQWY)

571 He's gotten everything he asked for so far. So he's asking for this. Now the West has a choice - tell Z no, or go to war with Russia.
Posted by: blaster at September 30, 2022 12:45 PM (pwExq)

Tell Zdogg, no. Or allow Hungary to veto him. If Biden droned him, I'd be cool with it.
Posted by: CN at September 30, 2022 12:52 PM (Zzbjj)

Actually, Z has asked for this several times in this fiasco and has been turned down. Hard to say if this time he will get a different answer, as a lot of his 'positions' are dictated by US/UK/EU interests.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 30, 2022 02:47 PM (eoQWY)

572 Its hard for people to process - because people are mostly dumb. All the same, the first artillery shells that fell on cities like Luhansk came from Ukrainian guns. Not Russian guns.
Posted by: Mustang at September 30, 2022 12:29 PM (gAzHd)

Almost the first use of the new NATO/US artillery assets was to shell civilian areas in the Donbas.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 30, 2022 02:49 PM (eoQWY)

573 Truly, this comment section is full of morons. Well named guys. A bunch of angry morons. Putin and Zelenskyy the same durrr. This was about NATO expansion durrr. We started it durrr. Putin not so bad durrr. Muh overlords durrr. I hope you all feel better, freedom lovers. Reagan salutes you. Just go onto the next thing you can be impotently angry about. Ace knows his audience well

Posted by: xyu at September 30, 2022 03:29 PM (uwqpu)

574 Dems support it so must be bad durrr. Putin's Russia is all about "muh traditional values" durr. Truly fkn morons you lot

Posted by: xyu at September 30, 2022 03:38 PM (uwqpu)

575 And reposting Michael Tracey of all people? Wut. Yes we should welcome negotiations with Russia with open arms because they ALWAYS honor their agreements. You know those trustworthy Russians. Chisel it in stone. Russia bombed a civilian caravan in Zaporizhzhia today. Death toll in the dozens. That's just the latest civilian attack like that. This is happening all the time. None of you have a clue about that. Russia Ukraine basically the same durrr. Really well informed lovers of liberty, sons of democracy you are. Lead your morons onward Ace

Posted by: xyu at September 30, 2022 03:44 PM (uwqpu)

576 Poison Zelinski's punk Nazi ass & those that support him!

Posted by: JohnnyReb at September 30, 2022 04:18 PM (FnNxq)

577 You do remember how holier-than-thou we were because of a few missiles in Cuba. We are putting Putin in a similar position as JFK.

This kind of attempt at equivalence is even dumber than the late-hit troll

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 30, 2022 04:21 PM (Ivdso)

578 xyu,
Try to figure out that mindlessly tagging your weak, half-arguments with the vapid exclamation, "durrr", does not help them.
Duh.

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Posted by: www.Profit97.Com at September 30, 2022 05:42 PM (4OuEA)

580 I know the Yahoos here who are against the Western Globalists believe ruSSia and Putin are the "Good Guys" (like TheLibertyDaily website) JUST BECAUSE ruSSia and Putin oppose the Western Globalists. They think "MY ENEMY'S ENEMY IS MY FRIEND"....so Putin and his ruSSia....MUST be the Good guys and we should automatically hate Zelensky. This is CARTOONISH LOGIC and a BIG MISTAKE!!

Putin and ruSSia are just as bad if not worst than the Western Globalists.....AND for the LONGEST TIME have worked with the Western Globalists. For example, Putin COLLABORATED with the Western Globalists in PUSHING the PLANDEMIC on his own people!! Putin is ALSO a student of Klaus Schwabbs World Economic Forum!!

And Putin right now is treating his people like CRAP and is CANCELLING and PERSECUTING ANYBODY who protests against him. ISN'T this the reason why we hate the Western Globalists? Yet Putin is WORSE than the Western Globalists. And his ruSSia is the size of a MONSTER because of ruSSia's MONSTER sized appetite for other nations' territories!

ruSSia also STARTED WW2 (to STEAL chunks of land from Poland and other nations) along with it's former best friend Nazi Germany

Posted by: Mike Reaver at September 30, 2022 05:49 PM (MAevc)

581 I was being generous Bach. Durr is more than many of these asinine ideas deserve.

But big bad NATO is to blame anyway, right? Not Putin. Not Russia, with its generational bloody track record. Poor, dear, always-aggrieved Russia.

And the 97% "yes" vote on the """referendums""" was not a sham either, was it? Democracy in action, beautiful. Ffs

Posted by: xyu at September 30, 2022 06:10 PM (R72GU)

582 You know.....the Green Commie Nazis have been pretty open about the fact that they would be happier if 9/10ths of the people died. And their super bug engineered from SARS and MERS went fizzle and couldn't even kill 1 in 10 let alone 9 in 10. Whatever hope they had of using something like a poison pill vaccine evaporated with the COVID inoculation. Yeah they would kill a lot of people, who turn out to be their supporters.

So how do you get rid of all these people so Gaia stops crying? Nuclear war seems like an all around solution for great reset, population reduction, establishment of the totalitarian global superstate.

They probably already have their bomb shelters picked out.

Posted by: mikethemoose at September 30, 2022 06:27 PM (T/vhV)

583 If anyone replaces Putin it will be either Medeved or Kadirov.

Not sure which one will just nuke Kiev and Lvov, and which one will just send in the whole fucking Russian Army.

Posted by: Kristophr at September 30, 2022 06:36 PM (M2ACB)

584 Medvedev, sorry.

Posted by: Kristophr at September 30, 2022 06:37 PM (M2ACB)

585 Zelensky will be lucky if he isn't regime-changed first, in order to end this stupid war. And by his own people, if they have any sense.

Posted by: ruralcounsel at September 30, 2022 07:28 PM (96wFa)

586 Simple, it will entrench the Deep State and Neo Cons idea that they can intervene in ANY foreign problem, by spending enough US Money.... even if they destroy the economy doing it.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 30, 2022 01:15 PM (oHd/0)

While printing money for any reason should be discouraged, i don't think helping Ukraine is going to wreck the economy. Saving money by not helping has consequences. Helping Ukraine will look cheap if Putin decides he wants Poland next.

Posted by: hurricane567@gmail.com at September 30, 2022 09:12 PM (hBPvH)

587 "First, I cannot conceive of any end state that does not include Russia occupying the areas that just voted to join Russia."

LOL, "voted." I don't know where you're getting your news, but that vote looked a heck of a lot like State Farm Arena and Wayne County in 2020.

"I could conceive of Russia "buying" them, like we bought the Gadsden Purchase from Mexico after conquering the Southwest in 1848."

"Second, we have serious, significant, great power interests in common with Russia, including the functioning of the world economy and energy,"

Without their oil/LNG Russia has the GDP of Wal Mart.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 30, 2022 01:21 PM (7B5FA)

Posted by: hurricane567@gmail.com at September 30, 2022 10:21 PM (hBPvH)

588 "as well as not forcing them into alliance with China, Iran, etc."

That alliance existed prior to Ukraine invasion. Russia is selling Utah uranium to Iran to build their a-bomb with. Thanks, Hillary!

"We are not at war with them, and the world needs a well-functioning Russia to maintain balance of power."

Iran builds its bomb with Russian help. Russian hackers jam up pipelines. Russia pays US environmentalists to handcuff themselves to oil infrastructure and then people buy their oil instead of ours. While they didn't help Trump, buying a few FB ads made things easier on them. This may not be a war, but they sure are hitting us. A well functioning country doesn't invade their neighbors without reason, either.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 30, 2022 01:21 PM (7B5FA)

Posted by: hurricane567@gmail.com at September 30, 2022 10:29 PM (hBPvH)

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Zelenzky, in a Hot War With Russia, Asks for Accelerated Entry Into NATO;Also Says He Will Not Negotiate With Russia Until Putin Has Been Regime-Changed

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Zelenzky, in a Hot War With Russia, Asks for Accelerated Entry Into NATO;
Also Says He Will Not Negotiate With Russia Until Putin Has Been Regime-Changed