"100% Mobilization:" Russia is Drafting 300,000 It Admits -- Or Possibly 1,000,000 It Won't Admit -- To Rescue Its Failing Position in Ukraine

One of the advantages Ukraine has had in its war with Russia is that Russia thought the war would be easy. Russia won't even refer to it as a war -- they call it a "military exercise." I believe you can be arrested if you refer to it a "war" publicly.

They did not draft civilians or recall veterans to increase military strength. They went to war with the troops they had. 1, because they thought it would be easy, 2, because they did not want to make the public think it would be anything other than easy, and 3, because they did not want to stoke public resistance by drafting citizens into the army to fight the war.

I mean, the military exercise.

Ukraine has benefited from Russia's continued resistance to admitting it's losing the, uh, military exercise in Ukraine, and its refusal to get serious about it and mobilize for a, uh, larger military exercise.

But Ukraine's luck on that score just ran out -- Russia now is mobilizing for a genuine, serious military exercise.

They're trying to avoid stirring up resentment about the draft by native Russians by... selectively drafting non-Russian ethnics from the provinces.

Summons delivered to eligible men at midnight. Schoolteachers pressed into handing out draft notices. Men given an hour to pack their things and appear at draft centres. Women sobbing as they sent their husbands and sons off to fight in Russia's war in Ukraine.
The first full day of Russia's first mobilisation since the second world war produced emotional showdowns at draft centres and even signs of protest, while it appears Russia could be considering far more than the 300,000 new conscripts claimed by the defence minister, Sergei Shoigu.
One woman in a small village in the Zakamensky region of Buryatia, in eastern Siberia, said she first felt something was amiss when the dogs began barking about midnight.
In a community of 450 people, the village head was walking from house to house, seeking to hand out more than 20 draft notices. As men gathered before departing the next morning, she said, some drank vodka, while others hugged and told each other to stay safe. Women cried and made the sign of the cross over the small minibus that carried them away.
"It's not a partial mobilisation, it's a 100% mobilisation," said Alexandra Garmazhapova, president of the Free Buryatia Foundation, an activist group that has reported on the draft in the region. In the past day, she said, she and her colleagues had received and identified more than 3,000 reports of povestka, or draft papers, being delivered in Buryatia within just 24 hours of Vladimir Putin announcing the draft.
Despite assurances that Russia would be seeking men who had recently served in the army and had combat experience, activists pointed to a number of cases of men in their 50s receiving draft notices.
One woman said a 52-year-old relative had been delivered a povestka shortly before the president announced the draft the previous day.
Yanina Nimayeva, a journalist from Ulan-Ude in Buryatia, complained that her 38-year-old husband had received a draft notice despite never having served in the army.
Schumer and Manchin's 'dirty side deal' to fast-track pipelines faces backlash
"'Don't you have five children?' they asked him. My husband laughed and said 'yes, five kids'. 'Well, OK, expect your draft papers,'" she said.
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During a televised interview on Wednesday, Shoigu said Russia would be targeting 300,000 draftees, mainly those with recent military experience. But the actual number in an order signed by Putin is secret.
Some think it could be far higher. The independent Russian newspaper Novaya Gazeta Europe reported that a source in the presidential administration said Russia was seeking to draft more than 1 million people into the army. That reporting has not been confirmed by other news outlets.
But video and anecdotal evidence from around Russia has shown large drafts taking place even in small towns, suggesting that the numbers could be far higher.

Many are in Russia's ethnic minority republics, reinforcing a sense that the country has been disproportionately relying on ethnic minorities to provide its main fighting force in Ukraine. Those regions have also suffered a disproportionate number of deaths and casualties from the war.

This is a gamble for Putin. He's now putting Russia at-risk, too. My history was always spotty and it's gotten spottier as I've closed in on age 29, but I seem to remember a war sparking a revolution and change of regime in Russia once before.

It didn't turn out well for the ruling junta, either.

And I don't know if this is just a question of manpower. Russian trucks and tanks and self-propelled artillery, I've read, have been unreliable and prone to many breakdowns.

Last night, Tucker reported that the Ukraine and Russia had reached a tentative agreement that Russia would pull back to the territory it already held, if Ukraine would agree to not join NATO.

But the Biden Administration blew up the deal, because they're insistent on regime change -- because they still believe the Russiagate Hoax that Hillary Clinton invented, and want to risk World War III to punish Russia for not rigging the election for Trump.

Is this why NeverTrump is so gung-ho on this war? Must be, right? They're Democrats. And the Democrats all think alike, with the same NPC programming: We must go to war with Russia to avenge Hillary Clinton's non-stolen election loss.

Meanwhile, Putin is threatening to use nuclear weapons, and Zelensky is demanding the US use its nuclear weapons against Putin.

Posted by: Ace at 01:00 PM

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1 I'LL FETCH EM

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2022 01:01 PM (xhxe8)

2 The guy who says "and so it starts", who is a separate and distinct entity from the guy who says "and so it begins"

Posted by: And so it starts at September 23, 2022 01:01 PM (LJN8A)

3 Don't poke the bear.

Posted by: BignJames at September 23, 2022 01:02 PM (AwYPR)

4 Sounds like their losing and Putin can't or he is gone

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2022 01:02 PM (xhxe8)

5 Wonder when ethic Russian officers start being fragged en masse...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 23, 2022 01:02 PM (ynpvh)

6

"Hell No, We Won't Go-ski!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 23, 2022 01:02 PM (x0n13)

7 Fuck Zelensky. Who is that shit to demand we use nukes?

Posted by: CN at September 23, 2022 01:03 PM (Zzbjj)

8 Rookie move again. But it is good lunchtime reading.

Posted by: RI Red - Domestic Tourist at September 23, 2022 01:03 PM (+5YjI)

9 6

"Hell No, We Won't Go-ski!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 23, 2022 01:02 PM (x0n13)

What he said

Posted by: Snowboards at September 23, 2022 01:03 PM (ynpvh)

10 Tucker's opener on this last night was disturbing -- who the heck is Zelensky to demand we use nukes on Russia pre-emptively for "thinking about using nukes in Ukraine?"

Starting to wonder if they want another world war.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 23, 2022 01:04 PM (I/doM)

11 This whole thing started because Ukraine was never supposed to join NATO, then started ruminating about reneging.and now it's going to end by the same outcome? Doesn't that make this whole thing Ukraine's fault?
Not surprising Ukraine was tougher to roll over than they thought, they've been given a whole Afghanistan war's amount of your tax dollars within a few months, not to mention half our arsenal leaving us ill-prepared to do anything that might benefit america for Americans.

Posted by: Who is Brandon Galt? at September 23, 2022 01:04 PM (KrErK)

12 I think "failing" might be too strong a word, since nobody knows exactly what the hell is going on over there. You cannot trust the Ukraine-friendly or Russia-friendly news to tell the truth about any of it. This is one of those deals we'll only get the true story about decades after its over.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2022 01:05 PM (Ivdso)

13 Activating the reserves is not exactly drafting, is it? Also, did Putin threaten nukes or did he say use all elements in our power?

I am not a Russian troll or Putin stooge, I just think that maybe the truth is interesting enough.

Posted by: blaster at September 23, 2022 01:05 PM (pwExq)

14 I can actually believe the current regime in DC would rather rule over a land of radioactive ash than back down.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at September 23, 2022 01:05 PM (Bd6X8)

15 11 This whole thing started because Ukraine was never supposed to join NATO, then started ruminating about reneging.and now it's going to end by the same outcome? Doesn't that make this whole thing Ukraine's fault?
Not surprising Ukraine was tougher to roll over than they thought, they've been given a whole Afghanistan war's amount of your tax dollars within a few months, not to mention half our arsenal leaving us ill-prepared to do anything that might benefit america for Americans.

Posted by: Who is Brandon Galt? at September 23, 2022 01:04 PM (KrErK)

don't forget we "promised" Ukraine if they gave up the Russian nukes they had we would protect them...

Posted by: Snowboards at September 23, 2022 01:05 PM (ynpvh)

16 Wonder what it would take for the formerly united States of America to dust off the draft.

Posted by: RI Red - Domestic Tourist at September 23, 2022 01:05 PM (+5YjI)

17 Last night, Tucker reported that the Ukraine and Russia had reached a tentative agreement that Russia would pull back to the territory it already held, if Ukraine would agree to not join NATO.

But the Biden Administration blew up the deal, because they're insistent on regime change -- because they still believe the Russiagate Hoax that Hillary Clinton invented, and want to risk World War III to punish Russia for not rigging the election for Trump.
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I doubt that's the motivation. Ukraine is their money laundry and where they get their underage Slavic sex slaves. It's a major locus of corruption for the Western ruling class. No deal that ties their hands with handling Ukraine in any manner they please whatsoever.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at September 23, 2022 01:05 PM (t0OGg)

18 >>> but I seem to remember a war sparking a revolution and change of regime in Russia once before.

Twice, I believe. Once in 1905 after the Russia lost the war with Japan and then again during WWI.

Posted by: Mark1971 at September 23, 2022 01:06 PM (xPl2J)

19 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 23, 2022 01:06 PM (Zz0t1)

20 Patrick Lancaster doesn't think Russia is losing, nor does Doug McGregor. I have no idea, but keeping Zdogg in power has cost enough. And he's made enough money on it. McCain and Lindsey promised the Ukes that there would be war with Russia in 2017, so it was always in the cards.

Posted by: CN at September 23, 2022 01:06 PM (Zzbjj)

21 Good grief, what a shitshow.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 23, 2022 01:06 PM (Hn+0J)

22 Tough Guy Joe is shambling toward Armageddon.

Posted by: Joe Mama at September 23, 2022 01:06 PM (WmGrA)

23 Not surprising Ukraine was tougher to roll over than they thought

Yeah they would have been steamrolled same as last time or the time Georgia got invaded by Russia (bookending the Trump administration) but the corrupt west who has so much money to gain from using Ukraine poured hundreds of billions in supplies and aid and very likely troops and advisors into the country.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2022 01:06 PM (Ivdso)

24 13 Activating the reserves is not exactly drafting, is it? Also, did Putin threaten nukes or did he say use all elements in our power?

I am not a Russian troll or Putin stooge, I just think that maybe the truth is interesting enough.

Posted by: blaster at September 23, 2022 01:05 PM (pwExq)

Is calling ablebodied non-ethnic-Russians to service merely "activating the reserves", or have I misunderstood?

Posted by: Snowboards at September 23, 2022 01:06 PM (ynpvh)

25 Meh, Russia has 60M artillery rounds and 5 times the number of men. Zelensky is a CIA puppet and we are killing Slavs at a cyclic rate because Biden mispoke and casued this shitfest and can't backdown from his grifting stupidity. A CIA manufactured 'nation' fighting an organic nation. What could go wrong? There are limits to the stupidity of Soft Power and Obama/Clinton/Nuland Color Revolutions.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 01:06 PM (Hudry)

26 Russia loses the war.

Ukraine takes back its 2013 borders with Russia.

Putin is removed.

Another Yeltsin-like era coup is attempted.

Russia is further broken into smaller provinces and a new constitutional confederation is formed.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at September 23, 2022 01:06 PM (lf83v)

27 What's the stupidest thing that could happen? That. That's what i think will happen. Prove me wrong.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 23, 2022 01:06 PM (CLFL/)

28 IMO Ukraine can get help but it's up to them to sink or swim

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2022 01:06 PM (xhxe8)

29 My (limited) understanding is that so far, support for the, um, military exercise has been pretty high among the Russian population.

Mobilization may change that.

But if you're going to mobilize at all, why wait until a few weeks before the onset of winter?

Posted by: Dr. T at September 23, 2022 01:07 PM (bhRsz)

30 15. don't forget we "promised" Ukraine if they gave up the Russian nukes they had we would protect them...

Ahh, yes ok true. That's what they get for trusting the American govt. Surely there was something financial in that arrangement for certain politicians back at home.
Hard to tell which govt is more corrupt these days.

Posted by: Who is Brandon Galt? at September 23, 2022 01:07 PM (KrErK)

31
Vladdy would not be doing this let alone invaded in the first place if we did not con the Ukies into giving up their nukes post the Soviet breakup.

Now he's threatening to use them.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 23, 2022 01:07 PM (x0n13)

32 I'm not sure how Russia could be "losing" a war in which they already hold and control portions of Ukraine that they didn't have before the war. If you get in a dispute with someone over who can live in your house, and then you find that the guy has moved into a bedroom and taken over a living room, I'm pretty sure that guy has "won" the dispute.

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 23, 2022 01:07 PM (iFTx/)

33 Zelensky is demanding the US use its nuclear weapons against Putin.
.......

"What a hero! My HERO!" - Ben Stiller

Posted by: wth at September 23, 2022 01:07 PM (v0R5T)

34 I don't buy that story Tucker is peddling. I don't buy that Putin would've been willing to pull out of Ukraine under any circumstances earlier this year.

Posted by: Mark1971 at September 23, 2022 01:07 PM (xPl2J)

35 Zelensky: hey USA, I'll hold your coat while you and Russia fight!!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at September 23, 2022 01:07 PM (1iuGG)

36 16 Wonder what it would take for the formerly united States of America to dust off the draft.

Posted by: RI Red - Domestic Tourist at September 23, 2022 01:05 PM (+5YjI)

That's rainbow-colored glitter, not dust...

Posted by: Snowboards at September 23, 2022 01:07 PM (ynpvh)

37 Ukraine has benefited from Russia's continued resistance to admitting it's losing the, uh, military exercise in Ukraine, and its refusal to get serious about it and mobilize for a, uh, larger military exercise.

The people in the disputed territory are in the process of voting to be part of Russia, who can be trusted to look out for them, rather than the NATO puppet regime in Kiev who kill them indiscriminately, but sure, "losing".

Posted by: Methos at September 23, 2022 01:07 PM (kOpft)

38 They did not draft civilians or recall veterans to increase military strength. They went to war with the troops they had. 1, because they thought it would be easy, 2, because they did not want to make the public think it would be anything other than easy, and 3, because they did not want to stoke public resistance by drafting citizens into the army to fight the war.

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And 4, because top generals would rather lie to the psychopathic dictator about readiness & capability rather than being accidentally pushed out of 30-story windows.

Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 23, 2022 01:07 PM (ylLOx)

39 Meanwhile, Putin is threatening to use nuclear weapons, and Zelensky is demanding the US use its nuclear weapons against Putin.

Screw you both. EABOD, pricks.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 23, 2022 01:08 PM (Zz0t1)

40 Welp, at least I don't have to worry about my 401(k) any more

Posted by: weew at September 23, 2022 01:08 PM (+m+uH)

41 If I were Xi, I would invade Eastern Russia and grab the oil fields. Russia has no army to defend against China as it has shifted all its resources to the Ukraine theatre.

Posted by: william ferrin at September 23, 2022 01:08 PM (gYiHg)

42 Vladdy would not be doing this let alone invaded in the first place if we did not con the Ukies into giving up their nukes post the Soviet breakup.

Now he's threatening to use them.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
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100 percent right, J.J.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at September 23, 2022 01:08 PM (lf83v)

43 27 What's the stupidest thing that could happen? That. That's what i think will happen. Prove me wrong.
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Yep.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 01:08 PM (Hudry)

44 So, if we exchange nuke strikes with Russia, does Xi make his move on Taiwan?

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 23, 2022 01:08 PM (Hn+0J)

45 The only footage I've seen of actual combat has been from Lancaster. Give Poland Galicia. Land lock Zelensky and he can still do DCs laundry and supply sex slaves and surrogate wombs.

Posted by: CN at September 23, 2022 01:08 PM (Zzbjj)

46 the Soviet also had to conscript non-Russians from the provinces in WW2, and commissars manned the back of the offensive lines to shoot any troops who didn't want to advance into oncoming fire.

Posted by: kallisto at September 23, 2022 01:08 PM (dCxaZ)

47 16 Wonder what it would take for the formerly united States of America to dust off the draft.
Posted by: RI Red - Domestic Tourist at September 23, 2022 01:05 PM (+5YjI)

Gunny Hartmann - "Lemme see your war face!"

Gunny Admiral Levine - "Lemme see your drag face!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 23, 2022 01:08 PM (x0n13)

48 None of this would have happened if the election hadn't been stolen. That should be rubbed in the face of every tool sporting a Ukraine flag.

Posted by: Eternity Matters at September 23, 2022 01:09 PM (MTm8X)

49 (looks at the date)

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 23, 2022 01:09 PM (M0433)

50 The thing is, I want somehow for both sides to lose. Russia for invading nearby countries just to seize land and terrify those countries into becoming slave states, and Ukraine for being a hopelessly corrupted and sleazy playground for the powerful elite.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2022 01:09 PM (Ivdso)

51 27 What's the stupidest thing that could happen? That. That's what i think will happen. Prove me wrong.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 23, 2022 01:06 PM (CLFL/)

So you expect nuclear conflagration, or something even dumber?

Posted by: Snowboards at September 23, 2022 01:09 PM (ynpvh)

52 42 Vladdy would not be doing this let alone invaded in the first place if we did not con the Ukies into giving up their nukes post the Soviet breakup.

Now he's threatening to use them.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
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100 percent right, J.J.
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By 'we'. you meant Billy Clinton, rite?

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 01:09 PM (Hudry)

53 44 So, if we exchange nuke strikes with Russia, does Xi make his move on Taiwan?
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 23, 2022 01:08 PM (Hn+0J)

"Copycat!"

- - Ernst Stavro Blofeld, SPECTRE LLC

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 23, 2022 01:09 PM (x0n13)

54 My assumption all along has been that talk of nuclear war is crazy; no one on either side is going to let it come to that, and certainly not over the Ukraine.

But I've been re-reading about July 1914 lately, and the reasons for what transpired, and if they could let something that bone-headed happen once before....

Posted by: Dr. T at September 23, 2022 01:09 PM (bhRsz)

55 Many are in Russia's ethnic minority republics, reinforcing a sense that the country has been disproportionately relying on ethnic minorities to provide its main fighting force in Ukraine. Those regions have also suffered a disproportionate number of deaths and casualties from the war.

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Sounds like the future of the U.S. Military. Maybe we can just outsource the fighting to the Mexican Cartels ...

Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 23, 2022 01:09 PM (ylLOx)

56 What's the stupidest thing that could happen? That. That's what i think will happen. Prove me wrong.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 23, 2022 01:06 PM (CLFL/)
........

Never underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up.

Posted by: wth at September 23, 2022 01:09 PM (v0R5T)

57 Dr. T, it will take months to mobilize and train those troops. Should be ready for a spring offensive.

Posted by: RI Red - Domestic Tourist at September 23, 2022 01:09 PM (+5YjI)

58 52 42 Vladdy would not be doing this let alone invaded in the first place if we did not con the Ukies into giving up their nukes post the Soviet breakup.

Now he's threatening to use them.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
____________

100 percent right, J.J.
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By 'we'. you meant Billy Clinton, rite?
Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 01:09 PM (Hudry)

YES.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 23, 2022 01:09 PM (x0n13)

59 Good Lord Ace. You of all people know that there is absolutely nothing regarding Russia and Ukraine (of all places) that can be trusted from any western (i.e. Globalist) government or news source. Absolutely nothing.

Posted by: Wackadoo at September 23, 2022 01:09 PM (1paM0)

60 I am making $0.04 an hour working from home by licking Jerry Nadler's taint.

Posted by: Sarah at September 23, 2022 01:10 PM (STTOv)

61 46 the Soviet also had to conscript non-Russians from the provinces in WW2, and commissars manned the back of the offensive lines to shoot any troops who didn't want to advance into oncoming fire.
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Yep. It was known as Stalingrad.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 01:10 PM (Hudry)

62 It makes much more sense to risk a global conflict that results in massive oil resources than it does to risk a global conflict that results in a tiny island.

Posted by: william ferrin at September 23, 2022 01:10 PM (gYiHg)

63 Taking one side or the other on this conflict greatly requires being the sucker for one propaganda outfit or the other.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2022 01:10 PM (Ivdso)

64 Yanina Nimayeva, a journalist from Ulan-Ude in Buryatia, complained that her 38-year-old husband had received a draft notice despite never having served in the army.

Schumer and Manchin's 'dirty side deal' to fast-track pipelines faces backlash
"'Don't you have five children?' they asked him. My husband laughed and said 'yes, five kids'. 'Well, OK, expect your draft papers,'" she said.

Again, maybe I'm dumb, but did someone cross the post-streams?

Posted by: InZona (formerly InCali) at September 23, 2022 01:10 PM (ep37o)

65 "Schumer and Manchin's 'dirty side deal' to fast-track pipelines faces backlash"

That seems incongruous to the Russia story somehow.

Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at September 23, 2022 01:11 PM (24fqN)

66 Not surprising Ukraine was tougher to roll over than they thought,

well yeah they're receiving material and troop support from the NATO countries including Amerikkka

Posted by: kallisto at September 23, 2022 01:11 PM (dCxaZ)

67 >>But the Biden Administration blew up the deal, because they're insistent on regime change -- because they still believe the Russiagate Hoax that Hillary Clinton invented, and want to risk World War III to punish Russia for not rigging the election for Trump.

I don't think anyone in DC believed Russiagate. They knew it was a hoax, they were the ones working with Russian operatives. It was all an op to get Trump, all more the delicious because it accused him of doing what they did. (This was just like the Scooter Libby faux outrage/ prosecution when everyone knew it was Richard Holbrook, but they wanted to get Cheney so dang bad.)

Given that, what is the true reason for the regime change -- Putin too interested in protecting Russia national sovereignty from the globalist/WEF crowd? Do they need the war in Ukraine to keep the wealth distribution going while hiding all of their shenanigans (aid money laundering through Ukraine, a dozen US-funded biolabs). . .?

Posted by: Lizzy at September 23, 2022 01:11 PM (I/doM)

68 31. Russia would have taken them whether or not Ukes agreed. They belonged to Moscow and they would have reabsorbed Ukraine to keep them.

Posted by: CN at September 23, 2022 01:11 PM (Zzbjj)

69 "Copycat!"

- - Ernst Stavro Blofeld, SPECTRE LLC
___________________

I am rubber,

You are glue. . .

Posted by: James Bond at September 23, 2022 01:11 PM (lf83v)

70 None of this would have happened if the election hadn't been stolen. That should be rubbed in the face of every tool sporting a Ukraine flag.

Posted by: Eternity Matters

*

This.

Afghanistan, polio in the U.S., Biden starting the war between Russia and Ukraine, the economy, energy prices, grocery prices, inflation, EVERYTHING.

All it took was honesty. But no. Trump believed in the United States, and Americans wanted the United States to be the strong America it was. And the people in charge said no.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 23, 2022 01:11 PM (M0433)

71 Fuck Zelensky. Who is that shit to demand we use nukes?
Posted by: CN at September 23, 2022 01:03 PM (Zzbjj)

He's the guy who understands DC's money laundering operation in his fiefdom.

Posted by: Methos at September 23, 2022 01:11 PM (kOpft)

72 Dr. T, it will take months to mobilize and train those troops. Should be ready for a spring offensive.
Posted by: RI Red - Domestic Tourist at September 23, 2022 01:09 PM (+5YjI)

They'll have a week.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 23, 2022 01:11 PM (Zz0t1)

73
Let's mobilize all our trannies, wine moms, webzine contributors, TikTokkers and "community activists" in reply. No price is too high!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 23, 2022 01:11 PM (1Nxff)

74 I predict this thread will go nuclear.

See you later, alligators!

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at September 23, 2022 01:11 PM (yikp0)

75 "But the Biden Administration blew up the deal, because they're insistent on regime change -- because they still believe the Russiagate Hoax that Hillary Clinton invented, and want to risk World War III to punish Russia for not rigging the election for Trump.

Is this why NeverTrump is so gung-ho on this war? Must be, right? They're Democrats. And the Democrats all think alike, with the same NPC programming: We must go to war with Russia to avenge Hillary Clinton's non-stolen election loss."

Of course that's why, how could you doubt us?

Posted by: 10% for the Big Guy, courtesy of The Graft Eternal at September 23, 2022 01:11 PM (cupoy)

76 Sarah changed URL's. Who is she really working for? CIA?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at September 23, 2022 01:11 PM (Bd6X8)

77 Who does Putin fear most? His own people. He's conscripting 300,000 people for war. Putin allegedly had a deal with Zelensky and the Biden Trust blew it up? Biden Trust demands regime change when members of the Biden Trust won't even define what a woman is because they are afraid of a backlash from Biden Trust supporters? Our leaders here in the US are decrepit, ignorant idiots. Putin is walking the walk, he's a no bullshit operator. Biden Trust has no idea whatsoever of what's coming down the pike and our MSM is in lockstep.

Posted by: mrp at September 23, 2022 01:11 PM (6eRlp)

78 The MIC demands war every decade and they will get one.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 23, 2022 01:11 PM (ZCool)

79 40 Welp, at least I don't have to worry about my 401(k) any more

Posted by: weew at September 23, 2022 01:08 PM (+m+uH)

We will have no need or opportunity to retire where the left wants US to go...

Posted by: Snowboards at September 23, 2022 01:11 PM (ynpvh)

80 Meanwhile, Putin is threatening to use nuclear weapons, and Zelensky is demanding the US use its nuclear weapons against Putin.

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Yet, with every #OrangeManBad #MeanTweet, the Doomsday Clock moved closer to midnight.

Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 23, 2022 01:11 PM (ylLOx)

81 Posted by: Sarah at September 23, 2022 01:10 PM (STTOv)

You DICK!!!!

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at September 23, 2022 01:12 PM (Zz0t1)

82 Makes a person wonder if this is the prelude to a horrible chapter in history or just another "event" dear boy moment.

We or other survivors may look back and wonder how we didn't see what's coming. Or maybe not.

But between the costs and no fuel for the EU and the loss of food production and the loss of life on both sides it's already been a disaster. If it's being kept going so western defense contractors and politicians can keep their beaks wet, they really are War Pigs and deserve mumble mumbledy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQUXuQ6Zd9w

Posted by: OneEyedJack at September 23, 2022 01:12 PM (FCbAQ)

83 No one welcomes this mobilization more than Zelensky. This is easily another $1-2 billion in his offshore bank account.

Posted by: Rbastid at September 23, 2022 01:12 PM (lEKHv)

84 67. I do think Putin won't agree to the idiot green stuff. Russia can't stay warm on wind and solar.

Posted by: CN at September 23, 2022 01:12 PM (Zzbjj)

85 41 If I were Xi, I would invade Eastern Russia and grab the oil fields. Russia has no army to defend against China as it has shifted all its resources to the Ukraine theatre.

Posted by: william ferrin at September 23, 2022 01:08 PM (gYiHg)

Only nukes as a deterrent, unless Winnie the Xi has some way to stop those from launching...and I suspect if Russian launches against China for invasion, you'd see missles launched at the rest of us. That's what I'd use as a threat.

Posted by: Snowboards at September 23, 2022 01:12 PM (ynpvh)

86 Believe not a single word you hear from anyone about anything concerning this conflict. Not. One. Word. This is all lies and propaganda and steaming piles of bullshit.

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 23, 2022 01:12 PM (iFTx/)

87 It is in the US best interests to leave NATO.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 23, 2022 01:12 PM (44ww/)

88 I wonder if Russia sent a draft notice to Bernie Sanders?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at September 23, 2022 01:13 PM (lf83v)

89 "But the Biden Administration blew up the deal, because they're insistent on regime change -- because they still believe the Russiagate Hoax that Hillary Clinton invented, and want to risk World War III to punish Russia for not rigging the election for Trump."

Could be. I believe the main reason the Junta wants Putin removed is Joe's ego. He wants to show he's a tough guy with foreign affairs chops who stared-down Putin after no one else would or could, including St. Barack who did nothing when Putin occupied the Crimea.

Posted by: Gref at September 23, 2022 01:13 PM (AMIL/)

90 Oh boy. Now we get the full offensive of partly or misinformed crap in the comments.

ace, it's "special military operation" (spetsialniya voyennaya operatsia) - two out of three borrow words, which is interesting).

Correct about the assumption of quick war. That's obvious. A political solution was sought, promptly. Thus the pincers towards Kiev, and the negotiations.

But fundemental to all this is that few seem to be using meaningful concepts of "win" or "lose" for Russia, connected to reality.

The "de-nazification" objective was always bizarre, but actually sincere (Russians are batshit over the very real but currently irrelevant historical chapter just before, and during, WWII in Ukraine). "De-militarization" was at least rational, but far-fetched. Preventing Ukraine's formal or de facto military integration with NATO was the big goal - always a long-shot, and only could have been achieved with the quick political victory that didn't happen.

(cont'd)

Posted by: Your House GOP!!!! at September 23, 2022 01:13 PM (OTzUX)

91 It is in the US best interests to leave NATO.
Posted by: BourbonChicken

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But then how will the European countries afford to give their citizens free healthcare?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 23, 2022 01:13 PM (M0433)

92 Putin is sort of screwed either way, but I would argue he's WAY more screwed if he has a humiliating retreat from Ukraine. So he has nothing to lose to ramp it up.

The US just shouldn't be involved, we're pumping money and weapons (that are likely being sold to terrorists as we speak) for a losing cause. The parts of Ukraine Russia wants likely want to be part of Russia anyway.

Posted by: Blago at September 23, 2022 01:13 PM (AIsdX)

93 A popular war means votes for the party in power at the time. A popular proxy war is the next best thing.

Posted by: 29Victor at September 23, 2022 01:13 PM (BJKQV)

94 Please God let these fcking a-holes in Russia and Ukraine wipe each other out so we can focus on the shit destroying our own country.

Fck the Ukraine and Russia. Kill them all and let God sort them out.

Posted by: JROD at September 23, 2022 01:13 PM (0jZnq)

95 Please note - the US Army is running a 40% deficit in recruits this year and the Fiscal Year ends in a couple of weeks. BTW, they have been dropping all sorts of standards to recruit the 60% they have. Seems Americans know what a shit show looks like and are telling their sons not to join Obama/Biden Army.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 01:13 PM (Hudry)

96 83. I despise the man. For a few days I defended him as a hero. Now he's a cartoon characters and should've kept his campaign promises.

Posted by: CN at September 23, 2022 01:13 PM (Zzbjj)

97 I think Sarah is selling weapons to Ukraine from home.

Posted by: wth at September 23, 2022 01:13 PM (v0R5T)

98 ...they really are War Pigs and deserve mumble mumbledy.

Don't be afraid, say it. They deserve to be dropped in the middle of a raft of horny otters.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at September 23, 2022 01:13 PM (Bd6X8)

99 The MIC demands war every decade and they will get one.

The strategy right now from the military industrial complex is to keep war going continually, forever. And just in case things cool down, troops in 40 different countries fighting against alleged dangers or just "that's so sad we should do something."

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2022 01:14 PM (Ivdso)

100 "they're insistent on regime change -- because they still believe the Russiagate Hoax that Hillary Clinton invented, and want to risk World War III to punish Russia for not rigging the election for Trump."

Seems like a really petty reason, even from lunatics and zealots.

Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at September 23, 2022 01:14 PM (24fqN)

101 I am making $45 an hour working from home. I never imagined that it was honest to goodness yet my closest companion is earning $10,500 a month by working on a laptop, that was truly astounding for me, she prescribed for me to attempt it simply.
Everybody must try this job now by just use this...

*cocks hammer*

*points at head*

Posted by: Clippy at September 23, 2022 01:14 PM (Zz0t1)

102 Oh boy. Now we get the full offensive of partly or misinformed crap in the comments.

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I'm going to suggest maybe not starting your post with that.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 23, 2022 01:14 PM (M0433)

103 47 16 Wonder what it would take for the formerly united States of America to dust off the draft.
Posted by: RI Red - Domestic Tourist at September 23, 2022 01:05 PM (+5YjI)

Gunny Hartmann - "Lemme see your war face!"

Gunny Admiral Levine - "Lemme see your drag face!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 23, 2022 01:08 PM (x0n13)

Let's let Xi and Putin know...
We've got trans and fags on show...
--new chant during basic

Posted by: Snowboards at September 23, 2022 01:14 PM (ynpvh)

104 92. Not our battle.

Posted by: CN at September 23, 2022 01:14 PM (Zzbjj)

105 Imagine if Biden kept all that sweet Ukraine money here instead of sending it overseas.

There were rumors that the elites' would have to be drafted eventually, and the elites didn't like that very much.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 23, 2022 01:14 PM (bkUtD)

106 They're trying to avoid stirring up resentment about the draft by native Russians by... selectively drafting non-Russian ethnics from the provinces.

That's so unfair. They're drafting Russians from poor rural areas as well - basically, the same people who have been fighting the war for Russia up to this point.

They are sending out just enough draft notices in Moscow and St. Petersburg not to be obvious about it.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2022 01:14 PM (I2/tG)

107 I do kind of wonder if there is *any* nation on Earth at the moment that could successfully manage a war for territory...

China's looking at this and is probably thinking that if the vaunted Russian Army is having this much trouble, how difficult will Taiwan be?

How many breakaway nations might be inspired when they see how easy it can be to resist?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 23, 2022 01:15 PM (YIVH2)

108 So did Putin not watch Braveheart and the battle where the English had the Irish conscripts go to fight Wallace first?

Posted by: buzzion at September 23, 2022 01:15 PM (Ckh2l)

109 The great thing about this story is how many experts on Russia and Ukraine there are. Maybe even more than on Covid and pandemics.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 23, 2022 01:15 PM (ppBhU)

110 92 Putin is sort of screwed either way, but I would argue he's WAY more screwed if he has a humiliating retreat from Ukraine. So he has nothing to lose to ramp it up.

The US just shouldn't be involved, we're pumping money and weapons (that are likely being sold to terrorists as we speak) for a losing cause. The parts of Ukraine Russia wants likely want to be part of Russia anyway.
Posted by: Blago at September 23, 2022 01:13 PM (AIsdX)

He has Europe by the balls because he controls their gas. Unless Europe ditches its Joo-hate and buys from the Israeli gas field in the Med.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 23, 2022 01:15 PM (x0n13)

111 Back to “work”. Sadly.

Posted by: RI Red - Domestic Tourist at September 23, 2022 01:15 PM (+5YjI)

112 92 Putin is sort of screwed either way, but I would argue he's WAY more screwed if he has a humiliating retreat from Ukraine. So he has nothing to lose to ramp it up.
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Yep. But he also has the ability to widen the war to other regions. How many weeks until the mid terms?

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 01:15 PM (Hudry)

113 Not our battle.
Posted by: CN at September 23, 2022 01:14 PM (Zzbjj)

You think that, but with all the money laundering that the US politicians are doing there and the US Biolabs operating there say otherwise.

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 23, 2022 01:16 PM (Zz0t1)

114 I do think Putin won't agree to the idiot green stuff. Russia can't stay warm on wind and solar.

The only good thing Putin has in him is a based, anti-woke attitude. He loves his country and he rejects the corruption and sickness of the left. That's it. The rest is tyrant, murdering, mob boss.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2022 01:16 PM (Ivdso)

115 Russia's got another problem that doesn't get talked about a lot. You can't just take one million troops and drop them into the field. You have to supply them, as well. Russia heavily uses rails for its supply network, which is fine when they're fighting within Russia. Rails also scale nicely with larger or smaller amounts of men due to the amount of material that can be hauled in a freight train. But once the Russians start trying to push the line forward by, say, fighting in a foreign country, they run into problems. Even assuming that the rail gauge is the same (which is likely the case in Ukraine, since it's a former Soviet Republic), rail lines are something that get torn up pretty much automatically whenever the front line gets near them. So the Russians can't rely on rails to sustain their advance. Instead, they need trucks to transport supplies from the rail depots to the front lines. And more trucks are needed both for larger amounts of troops, and as the front line gets further from the rail depots. Here's an article written last November that talks about the Russian truck issues.

https://tinyurl.com/yjxvzj3y

Posted by: junior at September 23, 2022 01:16 PM (PTw5h)

116 Only seven shopping days left until October Nuclear War. Irony is, if you wait for the fire sale, everything will be more expensive.

Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at September 23, 2022 01:16 PM (24fqN)

117 60 I am making $0.04 an hour working from home by licking Jerry Nadler's taint.

Posted by: Sarah at September 23, 2022 01:10 PM (STTOv)

Full-time job like painting the Golden Gate bridge; as soon as you finish, you have to start all over again...

Posted by: Snowboards at September 23, 2022 01:16 PM (ynpvh)

118 Go read the stories at Zerohedge, which is a known Russian propaganda front. It's clear that Russia is struggling. There is a lot of domestic turmoil due to this war. Many Russians have family or know people in the Ukraine. People are leaving the country for Western Europe to avoid conscription. Also, energy prices are high right now and Russia has willing buyers on scumbags like China and India. But once those prices start to drop Russia is in Real trouble economically. Europe now knows they had their asses hanging out by being dependent on Russia. They are now developing lots of independent sources. It may be a tough winter, but it will get easier over the long run.

That being said, on a military basis there is no way Ukraine wins this war. None. Their best bet would have been to settle this, as they wanted, back in the Spring. That benefits everyone.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 23, 2022 01:16 PM (mSy8I)

119 I'm still borderline on whether this was all arranged and Putin is just playing the heel so that this moves the world toward the next goal for the WEF.

He gets what he wants, the other countries get what they want. People talk bad about him just like they talked bad about the Iron Sheik, but so what.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 23, 2022 01:16 PM (M0433)

120 The US just shouldn't be involved, we're pumping money and weapons (that are likely being sold to terrorists as we speak) for a losing cause. The parts of Ukraine Russia wants likely want to be part of Russia anyway.
Posted by: Blago at September 23, 2022 01:13 PM (AIsdX)
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Blago, we are the ones that run Ukraine. Don't you know that? We've been doing this since Putin took over.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 01:16 PM (Hudry)

121 >>>So did Putin not watch Braveheart and the battle where the English had the Irish conscripts go to fight Wallace first?
Posted by: buzzion

"Stay! Do not flee!!"

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 23, 2022 01:17 PM (bkUtD)

122

Yeah, come on all of you, big strong men,
Uncle Vlad needs your help again.
He's got himself in terrible pain
Way down yonder in old Ukraine
So put down your books and pick up a gun,
We're gonna have a whole lotta fun.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 23, 2022 01:17 PM (63Dwl)

123 Back in 1985, we drove all the way from SC to Maine to go camping. Since it was late August I, of course, brought only shorts and tee-shirts. It got down to 36 degrees while we were on Mt. Desert Island.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at September 23, 2022 11:29 AM (yQpMk)

And this is why the confederacy would never have successfully invaded the north!

That and long bows.

Posted by: Archer at September 23, 2022 01:17 PM (gmo/4)

124 I feel so secure knowing that America is run by the best of the best. I am sure the Russians feel the same way.

This world, as we know it, is so screwed. And it is NOT because of globull warming, racism or inequity.

It is because our leaders are elitist pricks who want everyone to suffer so they can fell superior.

If we do not elect some responsible leaders soon, it will be over before we know it.

Posted by: Czech Chick at September 23, 2022 01:17 PM (haWye)

125 People are a bit confused on the idea of conscripts. These aren't peasants that have been handed a gun and told to go first over the top to die. They're just draftees, you know, like how we fought WW2?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2022 01:17 PM (Ivdso)

126 I think a large part of this move is psychological. Putin saying... OK... you won't talk, so I'm taking the gloves off.

You have declared war to the knife, Knife to the hilt... Your terms are acceptable.

There have been too many assassinations, and attempted assassinations of high level Russian businessmen and politicians for it to have been done by 'just' Ukraine. Now the US Congress wants to declare Russia a sponsor of International Terrorism, which means normal laws no longer apply, even though they are no MEN enough to actually declare War.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 23, 2022 01:17 PM (oHd/0)

127
The great thing about this story is how many experts on Russia and Ukraine there are. Maybe even more than on Covid and pandemics.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 23, 2022 01:15 PM (ppBhU)

_________

I've spent a whole hour on Instagram studying this issue. You dare to disparage me?

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 23, 2022 01:17 PM (1Nxff)

128 An army marches on its stomach, except for Russia which marches on bottles of vodka. Putin needs to ramp up the distilleries.

Posted by: Roy at September 23, 2022 01:17 PM (F7Oh5)

129 The US just shouldn't be involved, we're pumping money and weapons (that are likely being sold to terrorists as we speak)

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Was it CBS that reported on and then quickly pulled the report showing that 70% of weapons weren't making it to Ukraine?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 23, 2022 01:17 PM (M0433)

130 76 Sarah changed URL's. Who is she really working for? CIA?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at September 23, 2022 01:11 PM (Bd6X

Department of Homeland (in)Security.

Posted by: Snowboards at September 23, 2022 01:17 PM (ynpvh)

131 The pieces for WWIII are falling into place.

Posted by: Ordinary American at September 23, 2022 01:18 PM (H8QX8)

132 Hey, JJ, I saw a news blurb saying that there’s a lake in Wisconsin that they think has an alligator in it.

Maybe it followed you from the sewers of NYC?

Be careful.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 23, 2022 01:18 PM (Hn+0J)

133 If we do not elect some responsible leaders soon, it will be over before we know it.

Morgan Freeman as the narrator: "It was already over"

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2022 01:18 PM (Ivdso)

134 95 Please note - the US Army is running a 40% deficit in recruits this year and the Fiscal Year ends in a couple of weeks. BTW, they have been dropping all sorts of standards to recruit the 60% they have. Seems Americans know what a shit show looks like and are telling their sons not to join Obama/Biden Army

Not enough of them. There are way too many conservatives who have enlisted to prop up this corrupt leftist Junta. Because conservatives loves them the status quo, no matter how bad or how brutal it is.

Posted by: Uncle Festermans Goiter at September 23, 2022 01:18 PM (YTBIQ)

135 The eastern territories, at least D & L oblasts and their populations, are non-negotiable, it's a stupid but serious and deadly Slavic family feud. Russia's right there, those populations ("self-determination") definitely want nothing further to do with Kiev (the mutual dislike long predates this episode).

Zaporozhe, Kherson oblasts (parts of them) - more complicated. Each has disaffected Russian "ethnics" who may have favored autonomy before, but now must be terrified of return to Ukrainian control. The war has taken existing fault lines and, predictably, made them stark, vicious, and unfixable.

So for Russia, "winning" will now consist of incorporation of D & L (minimum case), or that plus keeping parts of Zaporozhe and Kherson (as buffer for Crimea) - maximum case.

And no Russian government would survive abandoning the "minimum" case, I don't think. Lots of people in the west who haven't seemed to keep up since 1991 fantasize about Russia rebuilding the USSR etc - totally disconnected from reality - but that also entails ignoring the actual dynamics, which are very much centered on protecting Russian-speaking minorities from what is seen as persecution.

Posted by: Your House GOP!!!! at September 23, 2022 01:18 PM (OTzUX)

136 The great thing about this story is how many experts on Russia and Ukraine there are. Maybe even more than on Covid and pandemics.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 23, 2022 01:15 PM (ppBhU)

C'mon. Russia and Ukraine are like Wisconsin.

Posted by: Roy at September 23, 2022 01:18 PM (F7Oh5)

137 Please note - the US Army is running a 40% deficit in recruits this year and the Fiscal Year ends in a couple of weeks. BTW, they have been dropping all sorts of standards to recruit the 60% they have. Seems Americans know what a shit show looks like and are telling their sons not to join Obama/Biden Army.
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Where are the tens of thousands of gay and transgender recruits that were told would strengthen our national defense "if they could only be given the chance to serve"?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at September 23, 2022 01:18 PM (lf83v)

138 There were rumors that the elites' would have to be drafted eventually, and the elites didn't like that very much.

Some pranksters outside of Russia called up Dmitry Peskov's (the Kremlin's press secretary's) son, said they were from the local mobilization office, and asked why he hadn't responded to the notices that they had sent him ordering him to report to the local mobilization office.

The flustered son replied that he couldn't talk to them, and that it would be handled "at a different level".

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2022 01:18 PM (I2/tG)

139 The great thing about this story is how many experts on Russia and Ukraine there are. Maybe even more than on Covid and pandemics.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls
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The neat part?

Lots of those folks were pretty much entirely correct about COVID and the "pandemic."

I'm guessing same as this. Not our circus, not our monkeys.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 23, 2022 01:18 PM (M0433)

140 132 Hey, JJ, I saw a news blurb saying that there’s a lake in Wisconsin that they think has an alligator in it.

Maybe it followed you from the sewers of NYC?

Be careful.
Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 23, 2022 01:18 PM (Hn+0J)

Lake Kachajuju.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 23, 2022 01:19 PM (x0n13)

141 Putin launches something that looks like a nuke but isn't. DC retaliates with a real nuke while the thing is still in mid-air. Biden's nuke lands and is a dud because Corporal Jane nee John Doe forgot to arm it while doing xir makeup. Everyone is left slackjawed and gormlessly gawping at each other. Xi takes the opportunity to invade Mongolia for celestial shits and giggles.

You know. Something like that.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 23, 2022 01:19 PM (/EuRN)

142 125 People are a bit confused on the idea of conscripts. These aren't peasants that have been handed a gun and told to go first over the top to die. They're just draftees, you know, like how we fought WW2?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2022 01:17 PM (Ivdso)

And Civil War... and WW1, and Korea, and Viet Nam.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 23, 2022 01:19 PM (oHd/0)

143 Believe not a single word you hear from anyone about anything concerning this conflict. Not. One. Word. This is all lies and propaganda and steaming piles of bullshit.

Posted by: Elric Blade at September 23, 2022 01:12 PM (iFTx/)

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World War Reddit.

[h/t Sundance @ CTH]

Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 23, 2022 01:19 PM (ylLOx)

144 "Zelenskyyyyyyyyy is demanding the US use its nuclear weapons against Putin."

Hey, there, Mr. Photogenic. Use your own nuclear weapons against Russia!

Oh! Wait! You fucked up! You trusted Bill Clinton and the United States, didn't you, and gave up all your nuclear weapons in exchange for an agreement that the US would defend your territory if Russia ever invaded.

What a clusterfuck of Biblical proportions.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 23, 2022 01:19 PM (Wql2T)

145 10 Tucker's opener on this last night was disturbing -- who the heck is Zelensky to demand we use nukes on Russia pre-emptively for "thinking about using nukes in Ukraine?"

Starting to wonder if they want another world war.
Posted by: Lizzy at September 23, 2022 01:04 PM (I/doM)

It is obvious they do. The United States Empire is fading and needs something to maintain the illusion of supremacy. The problem is two-fold. First, the Russians view this as existential and may be willing to use nukes. Frankly, if the Woke Karens here thought only the Deplorables would die, they would be fine with a nuclear war. The second problem is China. The Biden Regime keeps lecturing the Chinese that they better do "X" to Russia or....The part after "or" never gets completed because the American economy would collapse if China cut off manufactured goods
(thanks, Clinton and Bush!). There also is that little problem of China having bribed both political parties and their leaders.

No one has clean hands here. No one. And as far as what is happening militarily, we have no clue because the United States propaganda is as bad as the Russian propaganda.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at September 23, 2022 01:19 PM (nMx88)

146 32 I'm not sure how Russia could be "losing" a war in which they already hold and control portions of Ukraine that they didn't have before the war. If you get in a dispute with someone over who can live in your house, and then you find that the guy has moved into a bedroom and taken over a living room, I'm pretty sure that guy has "won" the dispute.

Posted by: Elric Blade
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Not really if the guy destroys the structure of the house while doing so and is huddling in the ruins of what was a bedroom or living room. You get a tactical victory but not necessarily strategic. Just like Ukraine got a tactical victory in Kharkiv oblast but is not necessarily better off strategically.

In legal terms, would you risk your life savings buying land with an uncertain legal title and potentially very expensive litigation costs?

Posted by: whig at September 23, 2022 01:19 PM (CXr4y)

147 Will Russia bring back those effective NKVD blocking units from WW2?

NOT ONE STEP BACK, COMRADES!

Posted by: Archer at September 23, 2022 01:19 PM (gmo/4)

148 My assumption all along has been that talk of nuclear war is crazy; no one on either side is going to let it come to that, and certainly not over the Ukraine.

Posted by: Dr. T at September 23, 2022 01:09 PM (bhRsz)

The reason the US helped push this war is because of all the embezzling that will occur afterwards. We know many in the west purchased property in Ukraine for pennies, post war they'll recieve hundreds of millions in grants to rebuild thier dirt farms to look exactly like dirt farms, well just think how much they'll recieve in they then need to decontaminate that land.

The poor Ukranian people are being used, as we emboldened Putin by saying he owned the President of the US and was powerful enough to change our elections, and he probably believed it. But that's what the politicians here wanted, because they knew they could sacrifice a ton of Ukrainians to help fill their own pockets with war money, since they had an easily swayed putz as president of Ukraine (and the US) who would be pushed to keep fighting by our fake rockstar treatment of him.

Posted by: Rbastid at September 23, 2022 01:19 PM (lEKHv)

149 @31 Vladdy would not be doing this let alone invaded in the first place if we did not con the Ukies into giving up their nukes post the Soviet breakup.

Now he's threatening to use them.

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The Ukrainians would never have been able to use the nukes. Everyone has security codes on their nuclear weapons to keep some idiot in the launch room from decided he's going to do something stupid. Ukraine actually using the nukes would have required them to first figure out the proper launch codes. The Russians would have gotten wind of it, and *everyone* would have considered that fair justification for a Russian invasion.

Posted by: junior at September 23, 2022 01:19 PM (PTw5h)

150 Was it CBS that reported on and then quickly pulled the report showing that 70% of weapons weren't making it to Ukraine?

I've read multiple reports that its basically an arms bazaar in Ukraine, with the corrupt military and political leaders selling weapons to all over the world. I don't know if those reports are remotely reliable, but we know for a fact that an entire transport plane full of said weapons crashed and burned on the way to Pakistan. So.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2022 01:19 PM (Ivdso)

151 Meanwhile, Putin is threatening to use nuclear weapons,

VDH has an interesting analysis of Putin's predicament in his Wokeness and Warring in Geopolitics podcast at approx. 36 minute mark.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 23, 2022 01:20 PM (8IhvM)

152

Risk was supposed to be a 60s/70s board game. Not the big board in the War Room and Kremlin.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 23, 2022 01:20 PM (x0n13)

153 >>>People are a bit confused on the idea of conscripts. These aren't peasants that have been handed a gun and told to go first over the top to die. They're just draftees, you know, like how we fought WW2?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

I heard the last conscripts surrendered the second they saw the Ukraines. Figured it was better there than Russia.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 23, 2022 01:20 PM (bkUtD)

154 Am I still allowed to not give a flying fuck?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 23, 2022 01:20 PM (IyrhE)

155 How about we nuke them both. Throw in Beijing for good measure. Or the High Aswan Dam.

Just to keep everyone guessing.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 23, 2022 01:20 PM (5r4XQ)

156 Nothing starts a revolution faster than putting guns in the hands of a million disaffected conscripts. Good luck, Putin.

Posted by: Eddie Baby at September 23, 2022 01:20 PM (wpJDK)

157 >>>Risk was supposed to be a 60s/70s board game. Not the big board in the War Room and Kremlin.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Always take Kamchatka!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 23, 2022 01:20 PM (bkUtD)

158 Please note - the US Army is running a 40% deficit in recruits this year and the Fiscal Year ends in a couple of weeks. BTW, they have been dropping all sorts of standards to recruit the 60% they have. Seems Americans know what a shit show looks like and are telling their sons not to join Obama/Biden Army.
Posted by: Puddinhead
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We need to start cutting our military budgets. Conservatives need to get out of this Cold War mindset that every dollar the military spends is somehow a win.

Most of our foreign policy problems could be fixed by trade tariffs and securing who comes into our country than trillion dollar fighter jet programs.

Posted by: Blago at September 23, 2022 01:21 PM (AIsdX)

159 OT but Philly crime and Philly cops:

For more than a decade, if Philadelphia police officers made a typo or were unable to record a precise location for a crime committed in the city, the department would mark the incident with GPS coordinates inside Disney World in Florida. Specifically, the area behind Cinderella’s Castle known as Fantasyland became the default location for inaccurate crime data.

The NBC10 Investigators learned that over the past six years, more than 5,000 crimes - including 16 arsons, 50 homicides, and 298 auto thefts - were plotted to Disney World.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 23, 2022 01:21 PM (w0NJk)

160 I've read multiple reports that its basically an arms bazaar in Ukraine, with the corrupt military and political leaders selling weapons to all over the world. I don't know if those reports are remotely reliable, but we know for a fact that an entire transport plane full of said weapons crashed and burned on the way to Pakistan. So.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

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It's a shame that we don't have an industry that could investigate and report on stuff like that. Maybe make TV and radio programs and sell advertisements.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 23, 2022 01:21 PM (M0433)

161 157 >>>Risk was supposed to be a 60s/70s board game. Not the big board in the War Room and Kremlin.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Always take Kamchatka!
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 23, 2022 01:20 PM (bkUtD)

"Remove funny bone."

- - Operation

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 23, 2022 01:21 PM (x0n13)

162 You can't invade Mongolia! I stand with Mongolia!

Posted by: wth at September 23, 2022 01:21 PM (v0R5T)

163 sorry forgot to say - link to NBC10 article in sig

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 23, 2022 01:21 PM (w0NJk)

164 Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 23, 2022 01:17 PM

*golf clap*

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 23, 2022 01:21 PM (Xrfse)

165 26 Russia loses the war.

Ukraine takes back its 2013 borders with Russia.

Putin is removed.

Another Yeltsin-like era coup is attempted.

Russia is further broken into smaller provinces and a new constitutional confederation is formed.
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Ukraine kills 100s of thousands of Russians in Eastern Ukraine as retribution, and because, why not. Western Media yawns. Miss Lindsey cheers them on.

Posted by: Disturbed Scandi Teenager at September 23, 2022 01:21 PM (fs1hN)

166 I have zero fucks to give about Ukraine and Russia - the market is in a full on realization that Biden has landed us in a recession. Let's hope the LIVs that elected that clown are suffering as much as the rest of us right now. What a shitshow

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at September 23, 2022 01:21 PM (AaLDK)

167 152

Risk was supposed to be a 60s/70s board game. Not the big board in the War Room and Kremlin.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 23, 2022 01:20 PM (x0n13)

Those guys have Hungry, Hungry Hippos and go after little bags of cash.

Posted by: Roy at September 23, 2022 01:22 PM (F7Oh5)

168 Russia isn't losing the war. They've captured the territory they needed in order to maintain and protect Crimea, and they've destroyed the Azov battalion. However, the Ukrainian forces in the centre of the country continue to fight back and have turned what should have been a tactical victory for Russia followed by a peace deal with favourable conditions for Russia into a stalemate and never-ending war. NATO continues to supply billions of dollars worth of high-tech military equipment to Ukraine, and this is the only reason this war is still continuing. An extra 300k Russian troops will likely allow Russia to pinch the Ukrainian army's supply lines, at which point NATO may need to send more than just money to keep this war they wanted from ending.

Posted by: pete at September 23, 2022 01:22 PM (H3ZuB)

169 Sorry, Vladimir. I already called dibs on the use of nuclear weapons against Americans.

Posted by: Joe Biden at September 23, 2022 01:22 PM (lf83v)

170 Russia's got another problem that doesn't get talked about a lot. You can't just take one million troops and drop them into the field.

Apparently they are going to call them up in three waves - they aren't going to try to call up all million at once.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2022 01:22 PM (I2/tG)

171 @125 People are a bit confused on the idea of conscripts. These aren't peasants that have been handed a gun and told to go first over the top to die. They're just draftees, you know, like how we fought WW2?

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Until they're properly trained, they're the former and not the latter. Turning them into the latter takes a lot of time.

Posted by: junior at September 23, 2022 01:22 PM (PTw5h)

172 The great thing about this story is how many experts on Russia and Ukraine there are. Maybe even more than on Covid and pandemics.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 23, 2022 01:15 PM (ppBhU)

/remembers the time his ship was within 100 yards of a Udaloy Destroyer

/scratches head...

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 23, 2022 01:22 PM (oHd/0)

173 (looks to see if Putin has ever used the U.S. Treasury and printed trillions of dollars and collapsed the value of the dollars I've worked my entire life to accumulate)

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 23, 2022 01:22 PM (M0433)

174 Putin launches something that looks like a nuke but isn't. DC retaliates with a real nuke while the thing is still in mid-air. Biden's nuke lands and is a dud because Corporal Jane nee John Doe forgot to arm it while doing xir makeup. Everyone is left slackjawed and gormlessly gawping at each other. Xi takes the opportunity to invade Mongolia for celestial shits and giggles.

You know. Something like that.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 23, 2022 01:19 PM (/EuRN)
.........

Oh, I think it may be more stupid than that.

Posted by: wth at September 23, 2022 01:22 PM (v0R5T)

175 Always take Kamchatka!

I triumphed in many a Risk marathon by holding to that rule. Heh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 23, 2022 01:23 PM (Xrfse)

176 This all could have been avoided if you had listened to me in 1945.

Posted by: Patton at September 23, 2022 01:23 PM (7bRMQ)

177 A popular war means votes for the party in power at the time. A popular proxy war is the next best thing.

Posted by: 29Victor at September 23, 2022 01:13 PM (BJKQV)

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Out: You will be made to care.
In: You will be made to unite!

Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 23, 2022 01:23 PM (ylLOx)

178 Seems Americans know what a shit show looks like and are telling their sons not to join Obama/Biden Army

I think that a lot of would-be recruits look at the military and see ships crashing into each other, a tranny perv "admiral", troops being forced to take experimental "vaccines" and crazy woke stuff being taught to soldiers. And they decided maybe now is not the time to join.

Meanwhile lots of tranny types are joining to get the medical care, using it to "transition" for 90% of their term of service on taxpayer's dime.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2022 01:23 PM (Ivdso)

179 "The great thing about this story is how many experts on Russia and Ukraine there are. Maybe even more than on Covid and pandemics.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 23, 2022 01:15 PM (ppBhU) "

I started explaining some Russian history to an idiot Blvd sting the other day. During that discussion I mentioned Napoleon. They retorted, very proudly I might add, "what does he have to do with Russia?".

These people are ignorant dunce jackasses who never read a complete book on the history of anything, except perhaps maybe Twitter.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 23, 2022 01:23 PM (mSy8I)

180 There have been too many assassinations, and attempted assassinations of high level Russian businessmen and politicians for it to have been done by 'just' Ukraine. Now the US Congress wants to declare Russia a sponsor of International Terrorism, which means normal laws no longer apply, even though they are no MEN enough to actually declare War.
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Are you aware that Russia has lots of Russian Oligarchs? This is how Oligarchs do business. I would guess the Russian and Ukrainian Oligarchs are working in tandem with the Manhattans to milk the US while dissecting the nation known as Russia. Who do you think has been investing in the Clinton Global Initiative?

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 01:23 PM (Hudry)

181 >>>The NBC10 Investigators learned that over the past six years, more than 5,000 crimes - including 16 arsons, 50 homicides, and 298 auto thefts - were plotted to Disney World.
Posted by: BlackOrchid

Which is also why the murder numbers are never truthful. They list it as 393, but we're well over that. FBI usually wants real stats, but since they're corrupt, no one cares.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 23, 2022 01:24 PM (bkUtD)

182 Nothing starts a revolution faster than putting guns in the hands of a million disaffected conscripts. Good luck, Putin.

Ukraine's been drafting people for more than six months now.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2022 01:24 PM (I2/tG)

183 >>One of the advantages Ukraine has had in its war with Russia is that Russia thought the war would be easy.

What, Russia thought they would be greeted as liberators? Where have I heard that before?

Oh and protests over the war? You mean like what went on in the US from 2003 to January 21st 2009 over a similar ill conceived, nebulously defined war.

I don't think Russia is stupid enough to prosecute this war for 20 years but who knows.

One thing we know for sure...

Everything is an Op.
Everything is bullshit.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 23, 2022 01:24 PM (ShrZO)

184 157 >>>Risk was supposed to be a 60s/70s board game. Not the big board in the War Room and Kremlin.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton

Always take Kamchatka!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 23, 2022 01:20 PM (bkUtD)

Austrailian Gambit. Post-nuke, you've got Mad Max

Posted by: Snowboards at September 23, 2022 01:24 PM (ynpvh)

185 Turning them into the latter takes a lot of time.

By WW2 standards, about 4 months I think it was?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2022 01:24 PM (Ivdso)

186 The only good thing Putin has in him is a based, anti-woke attitude. He loves his country and he rejects the corruption and sickness of the left. That's it. The rest is tyrant, murdering, mob boss.

Maybe it takes a tyrant, murdering, mob boss to keep globohomo at bay?

Posted by: Methos at September 23, 2022 01:24 PM (kOpft)

187 I remember when Trump was gonna get us into wwiii

Posted by: ... at September 23, 2022 01:24 PM (WVyb1)

188 No one has clean hands here. No one. And as far as what is happening militarily, we have no clue because the United States propaganda is as bad as the Russian propaganda.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat
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That is not quite true that we know nothing. It is clear that Russia (and most commentators here) did not expect what happened in Kharkiv oblast. It was a tactical defeat for Russia that even the Russians are admitting. Now, what is happening in Kherson?, occupied S. Ukraine?, Donblast, etc. or within the halls of power in Russia or Ukraine is up for questioning. Ditto for this callup. It is clear that Russia failed in its initial estimation of Ukrainian ability to withstand an attack and its military has not performed very well either.

Posted by: whig at September 23, 2022 01:24 PM (CXr4y)

189 166 I have zero fucks to give about Ukraine and Russia - the market is in a full on realization that Biden has landed us in a recession. Let's hope the LIVs that elected that clown are suffering as much as the rest of us right now. What a shitshow
Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at September 23, 2022 01:21 PM (AaLDK)

Yup, markets shitting itself... and inflation continues...

So... just why did I forgo various things I wanted to do, to save for my retirement again?

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 23, 2022 01:24 PM (oHd/0)

190 Whether all the weapons are making it to Ukraine or not Ukraine is jamming Russia. Putin is mustering up however public sentiment well;

Five minutes after he made the announcement all out going flights were booked solid and within twenty four hours he made it illegal for men of a certain age group to leave the country.

It's not going that well on the home front.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 23, 2022 01:25 PM (8IhvM)

191 Okay men, affix your garters and fire for affect.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 23, 2022 01:25 PM (ZCool)

192 Everyone knows I'm down on Trump on a lot of things, but I'm absolutely in the camp that none of this would be happening had he won reelection.

Putin saw an opportunity with the collapse of Afghanistan and took advantage of it. China with Taiwan might be next.

The "right" people were scared of Trump's unpredictability. They know they have a paper tiger with Biden. Guy was too chickeshit to even do a raid on Bin Laden.

Posted by: Blago at September 23, 2022 01:25 PM (AIsdX)

193 After Shitpants' massive brain hemorrhage drops him like a rain-soaked cornstalk, President Harris invites Putin and Zelenskyyyyiyiy to a summit in Iceland where they are asked to play a best-of-three tournament of Chutes and Ladders to see who gets control of Uruguay.

Both leaders politely decline to attend.

Mongolia is still boned, but nobody notices.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 23, 2022 01:25 PM (/EuRN)

194 Axis and Allies > Risk

Posted by: Mark1971 at September 23, 2022 01:25 PM (xPl2J)

195 Maybe it takes a tyrant, murdering, mob boss to keep globohomo at bay?
Posted by: Methos at September 23, 2022 01:24 PM (kOpft)

Are we chopped liver?

Posted by: Aloha Snackbar at September 23, 2022 01:25 PM (F7Oh5)

196 >>>Austrailian Gambit. Post-nuke, you've got Mad Max
Posted by: Snowboards

No one will depose the Lord Humongous!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 23, 2022 01:25 PM (bkUtD)

197 Wonder what it would take for the formerly united States of America to dust off the draft.

Posted by: RI Red - Domestic Tourist

I would love to see a movie starring either R. Lee Ermey (RIP) or Lou Gossett, Jr. absolutely ripping the assholes out of a bunch of today's draftees: A pack of blue-haired, ear-gauged, man-bunned, twink, soy-boys and girl-bosses who think they all have "rights" and are just appalled at the lack of respect shown them by their drill instructors.

Gossett or Ermey would end up losing their minds rather than converting any of the freaks into soldiers.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 23, 2022 01:25 PM (Wql2T)

198 I'm going to suggest maybe not starting your post with that.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 23, 2022 01:14 PM (M0433)

How about "Boy you stupid fuckers are stupid"?
Or Let me tell you faggots how it really is.
All good, even better at parties.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at September 23, 2022 01:25 PM (FCbAQ)

199 175 Always take Kamchatka!

I triumphed in many a Risk marathon by holding to that rule. Heh.
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Nien. Always take South America first.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 01:25 PM (Hudry)

200 I don't trust Zaleski or Putin...

Posted by: It's me donna at September 23, 2022 01:25 PM (bs+z0)

201 "Schumer and Manchin's 'dirty side deal' to fast-track pipelines faces backlash"

We have a quantum superposition of posts.

Posted by: quantum mechanic at September 23, 2022 01:25 PM (g1EEm)

202
Ukraine kills 100s of thousands of Russians in Eastern Ukraine as retribution, and because, why not. Western Media yawns. Miss Lindsey cheers them on.
Posted by: Disturbed Scandi Teenager at September 23, 2022 01:21 PM (fs1hN)

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More like, "You have one hour to pack up." Then marched off to the East.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 23, 2022 01:25 PM (1Nxff)

203 If Putin keeps this up, his approval rating might go lower than Biden's.
Not that it matters I guess. Tyrants gonna tyrant on both sides of the world.

Posted by: Florida Peasant at September 23, 2022 01:26 PM (dr4Q1)

204 Its not going to work for Putin. This isnt a 1914 war. You cant just dump draftees into a war like this and expect them to fight competently. Especially not under a completely dysfunctional and incompetent officers corps.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 23, 2022 01:26 PM (r46W7)

205 Russia's military operations have generally been pretty poorly run. Their opponents are no Galil Brigade, either.

Initial planning was shoddy, performance even worse (civil affairs/military police cruising 50 miles ahead of the combat spearhead? WTF? probably unique in history). Various levels of command have been replaced, lots of churn in command.

But winning (again, winning as defined for this situation) ugly is enough for Russia, and as Marcus T said, very likely.

How long does Ukraine want to be a welfare case, with the prospect of cruise missiles hitting installations anywhere in the country, 24/7? In order to hold on 2 regions that will never accept its rule again? Time is not on Ukraine's side.

Posted by: Your House GOP!!!! at September 23, 2022 01:26 PM (OTzUX)

206 lol.

Quite shocked by Ace's lack of info. This "mobilization" is for actual MILITARY RESERVISTS -- 1% of them. Yes, that is ONE PERCENT of all Russian reservists are being mobilized. They won't be heading to the front-lines any time soon. They will be replacing those IN RUSSIA who WILL be/are heading for the Donbass region right now.

Putin isn;r scooping up kids off the street, though this is the impression the west's corporate news media has been ordered to give.

Posted by: DJSmith at September 23, 2022 01:26 PM (cxXAd)

207 So... just why did I forgo various things I wanted to do, to save for my retirement again?

Yeah the days when you could put money aside and retire on it ended in the 90s I think. Now you're screwed if you don't save, or you do. I don't know what the future holds but I have no positive expectations. Aside from a brief, 3-year blip, we've been in recession for over a decade, and you can trace the stagnant economy back to 1998.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2022 01:26 PM (Ivdso)

208 176 This all could have been avoided if you had listened to me in 1945.

Posted by: Patton at September 23, 2022 01:23 PM (7bRMQ)

Problem was with the commies already here, George.

Posted by: Snowboards at September 23, 2022 01:26 PM (ynpvh)

209 >>>Nien. Always take South America first.
Posted by: Puddinhead

Hotter chicks down there. Smart.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 23, 2022 01:26 PM (bkUtD)

210 186 The only good thing Putin has in him is a based, anti-woke attitude. He loves his country and he rejects the corruption and sickness of the left. That's it. The rest is tyrant, murdering, mob boss.

Maybe it takes a tyrant, murdering, mob boss to keep globohomo at bay? Posted by: Methos
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I doubt it unless you are saying that the American people as a whole are too corrupt for self government. That is the usual standard under Aristotle to fall under a despot. Methos, you are making a Hobbesian argument instead where a despot is the only alternative.

Posted by: whig at September 23, 2022 01:26 PM (CXr4y)

211 Its not going to work for Putin. This isnt a 1914 war. You cant just dump draftees into a war like this and expect them to fight competently. Especially not under a completely dysfunctional and incompetent officers corps.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 23, 2022 01:26 PM (r46W7)
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My boss likes to compare shit like this to flying a plane and building it at the same time.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 23, 2022 01:27 PM (YIVH2)

212 204 Its not going to work for Putin. This isnt a 1914 war. You cant just dump draftees into a war like this and expect them to fight competently. Especially not under a completely dysfunctional and incompetent officers corps.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 23, 2022 01:26 PM (r46W7)

They can still rape, murder, arson and rape.

Posted by: Roy at September 23, 2022 01:27 PM (F7Oh5)

213 187 I remember when Trump was gonna get us into wwiii

Posted by: ... at September 23, 2022 01:24 PM (WVyb1)

My kids were not impressed by Wii.

Posted by: Snowboards at September 23, 2022 01:28 PM (ynpvh)

214 This is not Our war.. I want our money back Joe.

Posted by: It's me donna at September 23, 2022 01:28 PM (bs+z0)

215 I just love how Ukraine had literally fascists, actual Nazis fielded in their military proudly flying nazi symbols and the press was all "PAY NO ATTENTION TO THOSE ACTUAL FASCISTS!" Now we're pretending they don't exist because they changed their insignias.

Both sides are awful. I wish both sides could lose.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2022 01:28 PM (Ivdso)

216 As much as I'd like to see Russia finally suffer retribution for murdering between 8 and 12 million Ukrainians back in the early 20th Century (they repopulated the areas they're fighting over with ethnic Russians after those mass murders - that's why those areas want to be part of Russia), it isn't going to happen. Not by the current Uke crowd. Nor by the US.

This thing is just going to grind on until Russia finally wins and we'll read about the true death toll on both sides in about 20 years.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 23, 2022 01:28 PM (Wql2T)

217 No, The Biden Trust knows that Russiagate is a hoax. They're the effin' hoaxers. Why does Biden Trust want Russian "regime" change? Is there a viable Russian standing in the wings more agreeable to the West than Putin? If there is, we haven't heard of an alternative. The current energy situation is helping, not hurting Putin. Western Europe is in a deep energy crisis and the US winter is quickly approaching. Russian can sell gas and oil to China.

Posted by: mrp at September 23, 2022 01:28 PM (6eRlp)

218 Everything is an Op. Everything is bullshit.

We would all be well served by keeping that in mind. Nothing is as it seems.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 23, 2022 01:28 PM (Xrfse)

219 People should seriously doubt anything the America media says about this conflict and "how things are going". Clue - we're the bad guys. This is a straight up ruse to sell arms and launder money. This is what we have come to.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at September 23, 2022 01:28 PM (AaLDK)

220 Russia isn't losing the war. They've captured the territory they needed in order to maintain and protect Crimea, and they've destroyed the Azov battalion. However, the Ukrainian forces in the centre of the country continue to fight back and have turned what should have been a tactical victory for Russia followed by a peace deal with favourable conditions for Russia into a stalemate and never-ending war.

Posted by: pete at September 23, 2022 01:22 PM (H3ZuB)

It's funny how everyone keeps saying Ukraine is winning too. Are you really winning when you've kept your land, but every 15 to 70 year old Male is dead. Sounds like you can't continue to be a country or ethnicity if that's the case.

The only ones who win, even if Ukraine gets back 100% of its land, are those leaders who are set to make massive profits of this.

The citizens on both sides will lose here, and the politicians on both sides will win, as they have no problem trading a million lives, for 5 feet of new territory, which they'll claim as a massive win.

Posted by: Rbastid at September 23, 2022 01:28 PM (lEKHv)

221 194 Axis and Allies > Risk

Posted by: Mark1971 at September 23, 2022 01:25 PM (xPl2J)

Being the British kinda sucks, though.

Posted by: Snowboards at September 23, 2022 01:28 PM (ynpvh)

222 My kids were not impressed by Wii.

Wii Fit Girl impressed me

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2022 01:28 PM (Ivdso)

223 And the nukyular saber-rattling. Cheap theatrics. Mostly for the domestic audience. That audience is fairly agitated about the poor military performance, and incensed at the Ukrainian attacks - with apparent impunity - on Russian cities. Understandable, actually.

Putin announced a bogus "nuclear alert" in the first weeks of the war, which didn't happen (status of forces unchanged). This is more of the same, but driven by restive vibes at home.

Though this silly side-aspect does allow us some fun in reworking classic Cold War lines: "will the US trade New York for Kramatorsk?"

Posted by: Your House GOP!!!! at September 23, 2022 01:29 PM (OTzUX)

224 194 Axis and Allies > Risk
Posted by: Mark1971 at September 23, 2022 01:25 PM (xPl2J)

Hearts of Iron III >>> Axis and Allies > Risk

At least after you spend three hours taking stock of your forces and assigning research goals, starting upgrades of units, and setting up your army command structure.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at September 23, 2022 01:29 PM (5r4XQ)

225 Both sides are awful. I wish both sides could lose.

A classic lose/lose scenario if there ever was one. A total CF.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 23, 2022 01:29 PM (Xrfse)

226 113. Actually I have frequently said that Zdogg is blackmailing DC. And the SHTF if the piggy squeals. DC values their asses over all else. IMO, if there were assassination attempts against Zdogg. DC paid for them

Posted by: CN at September 23, 2022 01:30 PM (Zzbjj)

227 Maybe it takes a tyrant, murdering, mob boss to keep globohomo at bay?

Posted by: Methos at September 23, 2022 01:24 PM (kOpft)

the farking murdering tyrant mob boss with the Charlie Chaplin moustache was *supposed* to keep the commies at bay, even "exterminate" them...

instead he ended up expanding the scope and reach of the Soviet to include his beloved (adopted) home of the master race.

Good job there boss

Posted by: kallisto at September 23, 2022 01:30 PM (dCxaZ)

228 'president' broke brain is on CNN lying about something to an audience. I'm far enough away from the idiot box, he just sounds like the adults on the Charlie Brown TV shows.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at September 23, 2022 01:30 PM (2graF)

229 Everything is an Op. Everything is bullshit.

The thing to be glad about is that ops never last long. Couple years, tops.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2022 01:30 PM (Ivdso)

230 I could be wrong here, but read recently that most of the fighting force until now has been militia and paid mercs. This call to 300k is full on Russian forces. This would mean that Russia is sending there own troops in mass for the first time since this started, officially making it a Russian war, with Russian troops and military backing. The kicker of this is that ANYONE interfering from this point on is engaging with Russian troops moving forward, not paid mercs and militia types. That puts whoever is interfering with things directly at conflict with mother Russia herself, not this proxy war bullshit.

Posted by: TheLastPatriot at September 23, 2022 01:31 PM (CGKhG)

231 223 got potassium iodide?

Posted by: CN at September 23, 2022 01:31 PM (Zzbjj)

232 Lucky we have Biden or we would be involved in a major war by now !!!!!!!

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 23, 2022 01:31 PM (Js3tc)

233 This is going nowhere good. Count on it. How do I know? Look at who is running it. An incompetent clown who can't walk up a flight of stairs without falling, can't speak two complete sentences, thinks Republicans are the bogeyman, lines his pocket with our enemies cash, has wrecked the U.S. economy, deliberately destroyed our energy sector, and sniffs the hair of small children. He's also surrounded by a coterie of village idiots who are as impressed by their own degrees hanging on the wall as we are by their utter incompetence and lack of veracity. If incompetence breeds disaster, then BOHICA. Because we are in a 500,000,000 hectare field of it.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 23, 2022 01:31 PM (mSy8I)

234 Dang...I've ben chatting with some Aussie buddies about this very thing so missed the start.

Quick note: Will Putin use nukes? Yes...IF...his forces become endangered with collapse and his call-up troops can't get there in time.
And about those troops...it will take 3-6 months to get that many soldiers equipped, and even moderately trained for war. Throwing them into the mix now would be just a slaughter. So, another Spring offensive and that is not the time of year to start a battle in that area.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 23, 2022 01:31 PM (anj39)

235 If you want to use the Vietnam example (and I would argue we won on the battlefield in Vietnam) imagine if the US did not have domestic politics, the media, or international pressure to worry about on how to deliver a knockout blow to North Vietnam.

I think that's the position Putin is in. He knows his regime and his life are over if he loses here and he's not going to have anything pulling him back. Even a nuclear attack is on the table.

Russia though has shown to be incredibly incompetent, but I would wager they don't have a humiliating defeat when they ramp things up.

Posted by: Blago at September 23, 2022 01:31 PM (AIsdX)

236 Wii Fit Girl impressed me
Oh yeah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v31qxrXsxv0

Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 23, 2022 01:31 PM (ZCool)

237 218 Everything is an Op. Everything is bullshit.
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This should be tattooed on every American's forehead.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 01:31 PM (Hudry)

238 @170 Apparently they are going to call them up in three waves - they aren't going to try to call up all million at once.

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Which doesn't really apply to the point I was making. They don't have the logistics to keep them all fed and properly equipped while they're out on the front lines. When they're in Russia itself, this isn't a problem. But if you want to send them to Ukraine...

Posted by: junior at September 23, 2022 01:31 PM (PTw5h)

239 VIX is up 56% in the last month. The market seems to think something ugly this way comes.

Biden doing what Biden does best, screwing up everything he touches.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 23, 2022 01:31 PM (/TP/o)

240 The people in the disputed territory are in the process of voting to be part of Russia, who can be trusted to look out for them, rather than the NATO puppet regime in Kiev who kill them indiscriminately, but sure, "losing".
Posted by: Methos at September 23, 2022 01:07 PM (kOpft)

So we’re fighting a proxy war over voter integrity.

Posted by: 7man at September 23, 2022 01:32 PM (qwO6y)

241 the farking murdering tyrant mob boss with the Charlie Chaplin moustache was *supposed* to keep the commies at bay, even "exterminate" them...

Right, he was also infamously anti woke and anti-perversion, but that's not enough. You cannot just be opposed to a bad, you have to fight for and believe in good.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2022 01:32 PM (Ivdso)

242 231 223 got potassium iodide?

Posted by: CN at September 23, 2022 01:31 PM (Zzbjj)

Eh, not worried. Once my meds run out I'm toast, as is the wife without her treatments. Better to go faster and sooner than later.
Yo! Valdi! You wanna nuke the US? Drop one on my house first!

Posted by: Snowboards at September 23, 2022 01:32 PM (ynpvh)

243 Mmmmmm....wii fir girl.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 23, 2022 01:32 PM (W/9Bb)

244 Fit

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 23, 2022 01:32 PM (W/9Bb)

245 Mmmmmm....wii fir girl.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 23, 2022 01:32 PM (W/9Bb)

How do YOU know if she shaves 'down there' or not?

Posted by: Sponge - F*ck Joe Biden at September 23, 2022 01:32 PM (Zz0t1)

246 The drawing linked at top of sidebar is perfect illustration for this thread

Posted by: kallisto at September 23, 2022 01:33 PM (dCxaZ)

247 Is calling ablebodied non-ethnic-Russians to service merely "activating the reserves", or have I misunderstood?
Posted by: Snowboards at September 23, 2022 01:06 PM (ynpvh)

Non ethnic Russians have to do their 2 years of service just like everyone else. Once out of the 2 years, they are reservists on call just like everyone else.

Russia is gradually trying to adapt to a non draft model and so some units in the regular army do not have draftees in them, and those that did had the newest recruits left behind when the war started.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 23, 2022 01:33 PM (eoQWY)

248 One of the problems of Modern Europe is that is killed off 2 generations of men, and left women to run things.

Putin is trying to do that with the 'poor brown people' of Russia (kill off the minorities that threaten Russian hegemony). It's going to be the (D) for America. Get all those ick MAGA Appalachian Patriots killed off so the soy boys can run the show.

Posted by: Legion of Boom at September 23, 2022 01:33 PM (BsoVM)

249 But the WEF, the greentards, the DIE crowd, our imbeciles in feral gov, totes don't want you dead.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 23, 2022 01:33 PM (llON8)

250 Okay men, affix your garters and fire for affect.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 23, 2022 01:25 PM (ZCool)

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"Discipline is the soul of an army." -- George Washington, 1757
"High heels are the sole of an army." -- F. Joe Biden, 2021

Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 23, 2022 01:33 PM (ylLOx)

251 I agree. I think Z-man has bad stuff on Biden and Blackmailing him. This is why we are caught up in this non-nonsensical war ......

226 113. Actually I have frequently said that Zdogg is blackmailing DC. And the SHTF if the piggy squeals. DC values their asses over all else. IMO, if there were assassination attempts against Zdogg. DC paid for them

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 23, 2022 01:33 PM (Js3tc)

252 And about those troops...it will take 3-6 months to get that many soldiers equipped, and even moderately trained for war. Throwing them into the mix now would be just a slaughter. So, another Spring offensive and that is not the time of year to start a battle in that area.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 23, 2022 01:31 PM (anj39)
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Russian infantry training is normally six weeks (versus 22 weeks in the US), but these folks will probably just be issued uniforms and sent to the front.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 23, 2022 01:33 PM (/TP/o)

253 A warm welcome to the Russian propagandists who seemed to have joined the thread.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 23, 2022 01:34 PM (mSy8I)

254 Willowed: PS: Did you know the "ye" here is not pronounced "yee" but "the?"
That's because old English had a letter that was the "th" sound but become in print as a "y" cause that was closest looking letter on the type dies.
Posted by: People's Hippo Voice at September 23, 2022

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It's the "voiced th" sound that we get in "this" and "that," as opposed to the "unvoiced th" in "thought."

I guess "thou" became "you." But "thee" did not get printed as "yee."

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 23, 2022 01:34 PM (J2vNu)

255 My premise has been that DC, Davos and Brussels are in alignment with Beijing being the link to the BRICS. What tho, if in fact Beijing is hostile to Davos? Well, you would cut off the oil and food to Beijing. Replacing Putin with the WEF would achieve that and keep Xi from bitch slapping the West via rare earths. It would also explain why the Iran deal can't get done: Iran is nominally a Russian ally and any oil would go to BRICS or China.

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at September 23, 2022 01:34 PM (b+v9B)

256 My two cents: Putin is a Nationalist and the West are doing their best to be Globalists. That said, the Bush family went to war with Iraq for the sake of killing Sodam Insane, so who knows with these freaks.

Posted by: Danimal28 at September 23, 2022 01:34 PM (klw0w)

257 @229

>>The thing to be glad about is that ops never last long. Couple years, tops.

We've been living inside of a never-ending Op that's lasted for 1000 years, when one Op ends, another Op commando rolls in to take the last Ops place.

We're all pieces on a mad men's chessboards.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 23, 2022 01:34 PM (ShrZO)

258 Nice Bod Brooke is wearing a black outfit with giant gold buttons, and is freaking out that Thomas is using a pocketknife in front of her grandson. LOL.

Big Tit Donna was mentioned, but not sighted.

Steffy is showing her nice figure in an orange getup.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at September 23, 2022 01:34 PM (ufFY8)

259 Nothing starts a revolution faster than putting guns in the hands of a million disaffected conscripts. Good luck, Putin.

Ukraine's been drafting people for more than six months now.

Zelensky ordered every man in the country to take up arms and throw themselves at the Russians, shortly after this began, and was serious enough about it to draft on the spot any guy that was fleeing the country. And his defense secretary instructed civilians to drop molotov cocktails out of their apartment buildings, with completely predictable results.

Or has everyone forgotten?

Posted by: Methos at September 23, 2022 01:35 PM (kOpft)

260 Overall the market is still up, and will tend to remain so under Biden for a couple reasons:

-every trench is a time smart buyers buy, so it recovers pretty well.
-the elites don't mind doing well under Republicans, but prefer to do well under Democrats because then only the elites prosper and none of those uppity poors do well. Plus, they can crush competition easier under Dems
-Democrats don't care how badly they destroy the economy as long as they keep the cash flow to the elites, so quantitative easing, "bailouts" etc keep coming.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2022 01:35 PM (Ivdso)

261 Russian side will be able to handle logistics to the level required. Ukes face same obstacles, despite internal/shorter lines of communications, equal dependence on rail for any significant movements, electrified rail makes it easier to interdict (which is finally happening to some extent; only one prior and wimpy partial Russian attack on the main east-west trunk line electrical infrastructure, months ago).

And above commenter is right, this is partial mobilization of reservists, not conscription of green draftees. Months of training and outfitting will now follow. Quicker option for Russia is to move non-engaged BTGs from other regions to Ukraine fronts, replace them with mobilized units as they're stood up. But some mobilized will be first used to patch up BTGs ravaged in Ukraine, some down to 40% strength.

Posted by: Your House GOP!!!! at September 23, 2022 01:35 PM (OTzUX)

262 My (limited) understanding is that so far, support for the, um, military exercise has been pretty high among the Russian population.

Mobilization may change that.

But if you're going to mobilize at all, why wait until a few weeks before the onset of winter?
Posted by: Dr. T at September 23, 2022 01:07 PM (bhRsz)

Gives you time to organize things before next winter or spring. Mud will slow operations soon on the fronts.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 23, 2022 01:35 PM (eoQWY)

263 Yeah, I've been watching videos of Russian mass mobilization on Twitter.

Haven't seen any from Moscow or St. Petersburg yet - the videos are from places like Ulan-Ude (Mongols) or Lipetsk (steel town).

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2022 01:35 PM (I2/tG)

264 I need a nap

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2022 01:35 PM (xhxe8)

265 Clearly, Tank Abrams will be inserted as the new President of Russia by American Soft Power.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 01:36 PM (Hudry)

266 Which doesn't really apply to the point I was making. They don't have the logistics to keep them all fed and properly equipped while they're out on the front lines. When they're in Russia itself, this isn't a problem. But if you want to send them to Ukraine...
Posted by: junior at September 23, 2022 01:31 PM (PTw5h)

And Putin would be incapable of sustaining his forces if we were flooding the market with our oil and natural gas.

Posted by: 7man at September 23, 2022 01:36 PM (qwO6y)

267 Short answer: The Ukraine war is about getting leverage on China.

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at September 23, 2022 01:36 PM (b+v9B)

268 We've been living inside of a never-ending Op that's lasted for 1000 years, when one Op ends, another Op commando rolls in to take the last Ops place.

Yeah that's the problem: the individual ops don't last but the deep state has gotten very skilled at rolling out another one before the last one ends.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2022 01:36 PM (Ivdso)

269 Haven't read anywhere but here that Putin and Zelenski had a deal yesterday and we (Biden) blew it up.

Citation anyone?

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 23, 2022 01:36 PM (8IhvM)

270 265 Clearly, Tank Abrams will be inserted as the new President of Russia by American Soft Power.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 01:36 PM (Hudry)

Use plenty of vaseline

Posted by: Snowboards at September 23, 2022 01:36 PM (ynpvh)

271 When the skies are suddenly aglow, at least we'll know that they are nuclear warheads and not an incoming meteor shower. So there's that.

Posted by: washrivergal at September 23, 2022 01:36 PM (JxDRp)

272 185 Turning them into the latter takes a lot of time.

By WW2 standards, about 4 months I think it was?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2022 01:24 PM (Ivdso)

Did some reading up on this when the whole thing started. Russia's army is normally over 50% ONE YEAR conscripts, 90 day 'Boot camp'.... sometimes followed by other training.... but that 90 days is supposed to be enough for them to point their rifle in the right direction. Two different versions, one for infantry, one for armor.

They run 2 draft 'classes' per year... next one should start on Oct 1 and run to Dec 31.... so this class is 'extra' troops...

I'd wager at least 1 Million will get notices, because just like the US, many draftees will not meet the standards, or find some way to weasel out of service.... so to get 300K you need to send 1 Million notices.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 23, 2022 01:36 PM (oHd/0)

273
But if you're going to mobilize at all, why wait until a few weeks before the onset of winter?
Posted by: Dr. T

Because Russkies are masters of timing. Which is why they started the whole mess right at the beginning of the rasputitsa, or the mud season. That's probably the major reason that they failed to swallow up all of Ukraine within a month. Kind of hard to engage in proper armored warfare when you can't move your armor off the roads because the muddy fields won't let you run your 45 ton tanks more than 50 yards off the pavement.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 23, 2022 01:36 PM (n+4am)

274 Ugh. Off, sock.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 23, 2022 01:36 PM (ynpvh)

275 There is a batte going on right now over Lyman, Ukraine. Whoever takes it will control a key hub contolling access to much of Donetsk. If the Russians can hold it, then the Ukrainian offensive is probably over. If Ukraine takes it, then they will probably retake most of Donetsk.

Worth watching.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 23, 2022 01:36 PM (r46W7)

276 226 113. Actually I have frequently said that Zdogg is blackmailing DC. And the SHTF if the piggy squeals. DC values their asses over all else. IMO, if there were assassination attempts against Zdogg. DC paid for them
Posted by: CN at September 23, 2022 01:30 PM (Zzbjj)

It's been a safe bet from the get that Zelensky will be capped by Western intelligence when the time is right.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at September 23, 2022 01:37 PM (nMx88)

277 Okay, I'm back but just for historical trivia after reading the quote... ||In a community of 450 people, the village head was walking from house to house, seeking to hand out more than 20 draft notices. As men gathered before departing the next morning, she said, some drank vodka, while others hugged and told each other to stay safe.||

During the Napoleonic Wars, Russian draftees [I think one out of every 20 men] were treated as if dead by the village, holding a huge drunken party for them because even if they weren't killed or died of disease/infection [true of all wars before penicillin in the Korean War], chances were they'd never return to their village.

Posted by: andycanuck (yikp0) at September 23, 2022 01:37 PM (yikp0)

278 This has been our, NATO's, weapons vs. the Russians for some time. We could stop it but there is just too much money to be made.

Posted by: Javems at September 23, 2022 01:37 PM (AmoqO)

279 Wooo - Hoooooo The stock market is wiped out (401K --- Flush) and we are in a "Technical Bear" Market until they change the definition......

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 23, 2022 01:37 PM (Js3tc)

280 It’s very disheartening to see our side still buy into all the disinformation. You’d think that after the last few years our side would recognize the BS. Guess not. For better or worse, the Russians are not losing this war–quite the opposite.

Posted by: JimmyG at September 23, 2022 01:37 PM (nqa7v)

281 Poorly trained/untrained troops, Many who don't even speak the same language as the officers. Lack of NCOs. Unreliable, poorly maintained equipment. But yeah a million here KIA, a million there WIA-MIA, Win-Win-Putin.

Posted by: geoffb at September 23, 2022 01:37 PM (r//c2)

282 225 Both sides are awful. I wish both sides could lose.

A classic lose/lose scenario if there ever was one. A total CF.

Posted by: Notorious BFD
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Iran v Iraq back in the 80's.

Posted by: whig at September 23, 2022 01:37 PM (CXr4y)

283 I need a nap
Posted by: Skip

We need our $300 billion back.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 23, 2022 01:37 PM (IyrhE)

284 259 Zelensky's behavior is convenient to forget

Posted by: CN at September 23, 2022 01:37 PM (Zzbjj)

285 Jeepers.

Have the nukes started flying yet?

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 23, 2022 01:37 PM (cGfPY)

286 the world is on the verge of blowing up (again), but hey...

NO MEAN TWEETS, amirite?

Posted by: kallisto at September 23, 2022 01:38 PM (dCxaZ)

287 283 I need a nap
Posted by: Skip

We need our $300 billion back.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 23, 2022 01:37 PM (IyrhE)

Government sponsored sleep study, for Climate Change.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 23, 2022 01:38 PM (ynpvh)

288 I don't know about anyone else, but I am sick and tired of governments going to war but refusing to officially declare what they're doing "a war".

Either you're having a war, or you aren't. And if you aren't, then keep your soldiers home.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at September 23, 2022 01:38 PM (HUTvB)

289 We've been sold out to globalist who suck Chinese cock. We've been played.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 23, 2022 01:38 PM (W/9Bb)

290 Shouldn't Russia be running into the same demographic problems that the rest of Europe is having? Not having babies = no future generations? That does come to ahead at some point.

Posted by: Puddleglum at work at September 23, 2022 01:38 PM (2graF)

291 How do YOU know if she shaves 'down there' or not?

Low hanging fruit pounced on within seconds. It's the HQ way. Heh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 23, 2022 01:38 PM (Xrfse)

292 288 I don't know about anyone else, but I am sick and tired of governments going to war but refusing to officially declare what they're doing "a war".

Either you're having a war, or you aren't. And if you aren't, then keep your soldiers home.

Posted by: FeatherBlade at September 23, 2022 01:38 PM (HUTvB)

This regime is at war with US, and it's been implicitly declared by the puppet head Biden...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 23, 2022 01:39 PM (ynpvh)

293 Maybe it takes a tyrant, murdering, mob boss to keep globohomo at bay? Posted by: Methos
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I doubt it unless you are saying that the American people as a whole are too corrupt for self government. That is the usual standard under Aristotle to fall under a despot. Methos, you are making a Hobbesian argument instead where a despot is the only alternative.
Posted by: whig at September 23, 2022 01:26 PM (CXr4y)

I was responding to a particular statement.

I will happily recognize anyone else who is successful in driving back the globohomo crowd in some substantial way as soon as I see some evidence that it has happened.

Posted by: Methos at September 23, 2022 01:39 PM (kOpft)

294 Actually I heard Russia and Ukraine accepted a deal months ago but Biden said no. The deal was Ukraine does not join NATO and Russian troops withdraw with gains intact.

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 23, 2022 01:39 PM (Js3tc)

295 291 How do YOU know if she shaves 'down there' or not?

Low hanging fruit pounced on within seconds. It's the HQ way. Heh.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 23, 2022 01:38 PM (Xrfse)

He may have...first HAND knowledge...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 23, 2022 01:39 PM (ynpvh)

296 I love how some of you always turn anything negative about Ukraine and ZMan into coming from Russian propagandists. MSNBC echo chamber much?

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at September 23, 2022 01:39 PM (AaLDK)

297 I agree. I think Z-man has bad stuff on Biden and Blackmailing him. This is why we are caught up in this non-nonsensical war ......

226 113. Actually I have frequently said that Zdogg is blackmailing DC. And the SHTF if the piggy squeals. DC values their asses over all else. IMO, if there were assassination attempts against Zdogg. DC paid for them
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 23, 2022 01:33 PM (Js3tc)
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I'm not sure I buy the argument that Zdogg has anything on Biden. Considering what we already *know* about FJB's shady dealings in Ukraine, just how bad does it have to be? Does it involve tossing puppies in boiling oil?

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 23, 2022 01:40 PM (YIVH2)

298 280 if by our side, you mean Mitch and Romney, they use the laundry, too. We have no side

Posted by: CN at September 23, 2022 01:40 PM (Zzbjj)

299 298 280 if by our side, you mean Mitch and Romney, they use the laundry, too. We have no side

Posted by: CN at September 23, 2022 01:40 PM (Zzbjj)

True. Assholes only have rims.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 23, 2022 01:40 PM (ynpvh)

300 the enforcer's nightly roundup of ukraine war news on youtube last night started with a segment showing how russian air traffic patterns had changed immediately following the announcement, from primarily domestic to including a significant stream of flights to turkey.

Posted by: kulak anachronda at September 23, 2022 01:40 PM (v3pYe)

301 An appropriate mobilization song (English subtitles):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l7tG4UZBp8

Posted by: The ARC of History! at September 23, 2022 01:41 PM (I2/tG)

302 If incompetence breeds disaster, then BOHICA. Because we are in a 500,000,000 hectare field of it.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 23, 2022 01:31 PM (mSy8I)

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According to my calculations, that's approximately 7,750,015,500,081,579 square inches.

/Or 1,235,527 acres or 1930 square miles.

Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 23, 2022 01:41 PM (ylLOx)

303 Much of the "force" in Donetsk, Lugansk, and formerly in parts of Kharkov oblast were "militia" - which are locally raised forces from D & L, of widely varying capability and equipment level. They have done much of the fighting in both D & L, and taken a lot of the losses on the "Russian" side.

No draftees are being "dumped" into a meat grinder. No draftees will probably ever see Ukraine.

Russia is not the Russia of 1991. If needed they can commandeer enough resources to supply their forces for what they need to do. Which at this point looks like defense. Except for the northwestern part of Donetsk oblast, which remains as it was 6 months ago, the toughest (and politically most important) spot.

Posted by: Your House GOP!!!! at September 23, 2022 01:41 PM (OTzUX)

304 Panzer General>Axis and Allies>Risk

Posted by: Biff Pocoroba at September 23, 2022 01:41 PM (SIZS3)

305 My employer is having an event to "raise awareness about psychosis." No, not making this up. (I hate the trendy expression "You can't make this stuff up." Of course you can. The human imagination is unlimited. The question is, can you make people believe it?)

Awareness of psychosis? Did they look around between March of 2020 and summer of this year? There were an awful lot of psychotics wandering around, and not a few giving supposed orders and advice.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 23, 2022 01:41 PM (J2vNu)

306 275 There is a batte going on right now over Lyman, Ukraine. Whoever takes it will control a key hub contolling access to much of Donetsk. If the Russians can hold it, then the Ukrainian offensive is probably over. If Ukraine takes it, then they will probably retake most of Donetsk. Worth watching.

Posted by: Tom Servo
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There you go bringing in facts to an opinion argument.

I see that the paid trolls are out and about with a bunch of new nics in full force.

Posted by: whig at September 23, 2022 01:41 PM (CXr4y)

307 @230 I could be wrong here, but read recently that most of the fighting force until now has been militia and paid mercs. This call to 300k is full on Russian forces. This would mean that Russia is sending there own troops in mass for the first time since this started, officially making it a Russian war, with Russian troops and military backing.

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Militia and paid mercs with T-80s? You might want to double-check your sources...

Posted by: junior at September 23, 2022 01:41 PM (PTw5h)

308 General Frost may still win for the Ruskies, at least against cold Euros.

Posted by: Martin Tell at September 23, 2022 01:41 PM (omW/d)

309 *looks up thread*

Heh.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 23, 2022 01:41 PM (W/9Bb)

310 Iran v Iraq back in the 80's.

An excellent analogy, at least in terms of the attrition rate. Unfortunately, this one has dire global implications.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 23, 2022 01:41 PM (Xrfse)

311 Or has everyone forgotten?
Posted by: Methos
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Vietnam we put draft dodgers in jail and called those that ran to Canada, among other things, felons.

Draft is common, professional army - uncommon.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 23, 2022 01:41 PM (8IhvM)

312 302 If incompetence breeds disaster, then BOHICA. Because we are in a 500,000,000 hectare field of it.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 23, 2022 01:31 PM (mSy8I)

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According to my calculations, that's approximately 7,750,015,500,081,579 square inches.

/Or 1,235,527 acres or 1930 square miles.

Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 23, 2022 01:41 PM (ylLOx)

but how DEEP is it?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at September 23, 2022 01:42 PM (ynpvh)

313 Posted by: Puddleglum at work at September 23, 2022 01:38 PM (2graF)

Russia's population replacement rate is about the same as Europe's which is in negative territory.

years ago I remember hearing a roundtable of Russian women discussing how repeated abortions is just a fact of life for them. So that nation as well as most of Western Civ is on the road to extinction.

Posted by: kallisto at September 23, 2022 01:42 PM (dCxaZ)

314 JJ, I guess they caught the gator, so you’re safe. No worries.

I can’t make any guarantees with regard to otters, however.

Posted by: Bulgaroctonus at September 23, 2022 01:42 PM (Hn+0J)

315 Overall the market is still up, and will tend to remain so under Biden for a couple reasons:
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Probably need to recheck you assumptions, because this is what I see:

DJIA Jan 20, 2021 30,996.38
DJIA today 29,457.59
S&P Jan 20, 2021 3841
S&P today 3671
NASDAQ Jan 20 2021 13,543
NASDAQ today 10,803

Market is down, and NASDAQ is down a ton.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 23, 2022 01:43 PM (/TP/o)

316 @268
>>Yeah that's the problem: the individual ops don't last but the deep state has gotten very skilled at rolling out another one before the last one ends.

I always knew something was off about events and incidents that I seemed to always chalk up to bad timing, or other ancillary factors for why this or that happened.

The event that crystalized this for me was the Plandemic.

Literally, LITERALLY as Trumps bullsh*t impeachment was ending, the Plandemic was spun up and knock on Ops were spun off of that until the Junta was able to install their Meat Puppet. We saw the Ops unfolding in real-time.

And here were awash in new fresh Ops.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 23, 2022 01:43 PM (ShrZO)

317 Which is why they started the whole mess right at the beginning of the rasputitsa, or the mud season.

I'm another Zhukov!

Posted by: VVP! at September 23, 2022 01:43 PM (I2/tG)

318 297. Names. Dates. Amounts. Verification of what we " know ", stuff that can't be called Russian disinformation. And he takes down many more than Biden. I would bet Col Bearclaw and the while impeachment shit was conjured up with keeev

Posted by: CN at September 23, 2022 01:43 PM (Zzbjj)

319 And remember, the left only recently hates Russia because they stopped letting gays adopt Russian children for abuse and grooming.

That INFURIATED the left. To the point that they were willing to prompt a nuclear war by accusing Russia of interfering with our elections, and now here we are with Ukraine.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 23, 2022 01:43 PM (oiwMO)

320 They're trying to avoid stirring up resentment about the draft by native Russians by... selectively drafting non-Russian ethnics from the provinces.
________

I guess they think diversity makes them stronger.

Posted by: Eeyore at September 23, 2022 01:43 PM (TgBWG)

321 I can actually believe the current regime in DC would rather rule over a land of radioactive ash than back down.

100% of modern liberalism is basically high school mean girls writ large. Once you realize that, everything makes sense.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 23, 2022 01:43 PM (ZGrMX)

322 >>>He's now putting Russia at-risk, too.

Arming and training a disaffected ethnic minority? I see this working out well.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at September 23, 2022 01:43 PM (yHsuS)

323 "Schumer and Manchin's 'dirty side deal' to fast-track pipelines faces backlash"

That seems incongruous to the Russia story somehow.
Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at September 23, 2022 01:11 PM (24fqN)

Is Ace teasing us with a future schadenfreude-y post? Because that story is pretty schadenfreude-y.

Schumer, Pelosi, and the House Democrats appear to be screwing over Manchin after he nuked his career by supporting the Inflation Redirection and Nude Green Eel Act.

Posted by: rd at September 23, 2022 01:44 PM (Z32m1)

324 Shouldn't Russia be running into the same demographic problems that the rest of Europe is having? Not having babies = no future generations?

That is correct, they are. They've been putting out incentives, propagandizing for more families and babies etc but I don't know how well its working. People are just too self centered to have children and think about the future.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2022 01:44 PM (Ivdso)

325 If somebody, anybody, pops a nuke, just one, anywhere, the economy really crashes. Doesn't have to be a grossenloudenboomer, just a little tac nuke to get somebody's attention.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 23, 2022 01:44 PM (lz5hY)

326 233 This is going nowhere good. Count on it. How do I know? Look at who is running it. An incompetent clown who can't walk up a flight of stairs without falling, can't speak two complete sentences, thinks Republicans are the bogeyman, lines his pocket with our enemies cash, has wrecked the U.S. economy, deliberately destroyed our energy sector, and sniffs the hair of small children. He's also surrounded by a coterie of village idiots who are as impressed by their own degrees hanging on the wall as we are by their utter incompetence and lack of veracity. If incompetence breeds disaster, then BOHICA. Because we are in a 500,000,000 hectare field of it.
Posted by: Marcus T at September 23, 2022 01:31 PM (mSy8I)

That's more truth than Friday can handle.

Posted by: Beyond Norman Parameters at September 23, 2022 01:44 PM (wReBR)

327 Gonna be a long way. Russia didn't take Chechnya on the first attempt either. Hope everyone is ready for round 2 or 3 or 4.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at September 23, 2022 01:44 PM (xcxpd)

328 Don't fool yourselves. Russia has a formidable military. What you're seeing in Ukraine are local Russian militia and poorly equipped regular Russian Army formations. Not their top units. The reservists being called up are not front line formations, but mostly ancillary/support troops.

Posted by: Archer at September 23, 2022 01:44 PM (gmo/4)

329 I view this as Biden's Vietnam. He should ask LBJ how that worked out for him.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 01:44 PM (Hudry)

330 I need a nap
Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2022 01:35 PM (xhxe

.........

Always a solid choice.

Posted by: wth at September 23, 2022 01:44 PM (v0R5T)

331 Trump to go around Commie Cunt McConnell and will supply millions to MAGA candidates from his $100M+ PAC.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 23, 2022 01:45 PM (ZCool)

332 Scotched deal is a reference to what many, now including Putin himself, assert was worked out in negotiations in Istanbul in April, which followed the talks in Belarus in Feb/Mar. Haven't seen Russian version of alleged deal.

Posted by: Your House GOP!!!! at September 23, 2022 01:45 PM (OTzUX)

333 327 Gonna be a long way. Russia didn't take Chechnya on the first attempt either. Hope everyone is ready for round 2 or 3 or 4.
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Read some Russian history. They don't give up easy.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 01:45 PM (Hudry)

334 And here were awash in new fresh Ops.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 23, 2022 01:43 PM (ShrZO)

Yep. Until they are dismantled and destroyed, I am inclined to reflexively disbelieve anything that they say that can't be independently verified.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at September 23, 2022 01:45 PM (yHsuS)

335 @252 Russian infantry training is normally six weeks (versus 22 weeks in the US), but these folks will probably just be issued uniforms and sent to the front.

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The Russian 3rd Corps collapsed almost immediately, and it had (slightly) better preparation than that. I don't think the Russians will be *that* reckless - at least not right away.

Plus, campaign season is about to come to a screeching halt due to mud, and then General Winter. There should be some time to train the new recruits. Whether it will be enough? Couldn't tell you. But they will get at least a minimal amount of (rather brutal) training.

Posted by: junior at September 23, 2022 01:46 PM (PTw5h)

336 I view this as Biden's Vietnam. He should ask LBJ how that worked out for him.
Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 01:44 PM (Hudry

He's dead, Jim.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at September 23, 2022 01:46 PM (W/9Bb)

337 Overall the market is still up, and will tend to remain so under Biden for a couple reasons:

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The DOW when Biden took office was 31K.

All of Biden's gains were Trump momentum. Period. The end.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 23, 2022 01:46 PM (oiwMO)

338
Ever watch "Cops" and there's a call for a public disturbance and it's two trailer-trash girls fighting and the cop has to find out what's going on but the two girls are each telling their story simultaneously, rapidly and incoherently at the top of their lungs? That's what trying to learn about this war is like.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 23, 2022 01:46 PM (1Nxff)

339 100% of modern liberalism is basically high school mean girls writ large. Once you realize that, everything makes sense.

so true!

Or as I refer to it: The Triumph of the Yin

Posted by: kallisto at September 23, 2022 01:46 PM (dCxaZ)

340 Schumer, Pelosi, and the House Democrats appear to be screwing over Manchin after he nuked his career by supporting the Inflation Redirection and Nude Green Eel Act.

Schumer assured him the Republicans would give him the votes for it after the Dems refused to vote for it. That doesn't even make sense, but Manchin hooked his wagon to it. And now McConnell apparently has told him to piss up a rope, the GOP(e) is not gonna save his bacon.

Posted by: Ian S. at September 23, 2022 01:46 PM (ZGrMX)

341 Russia didn't take Chechnya on the first attempt either.

Or Finnish Karelia in 1939-1940.

Posted by: VVP! at September 23, 2022 01:46 PM (I2/tG)

342 Market is down, and NASDAQ is down a ton.

I didn't mean it never goes down (I rather said the opposite). I mean compared to the long term the overall graph of the market is up, with dips along the way. As I understand it, its still up over the last 2 years even though right now its trending downward; ie the total market value is still higher now than 2 years ago, but is down from where it was last month.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2022 01:46 PM (Ivdso)

343 331 Trump to go around Commie Cunt McConnell and will supply millions to MAGA candidates from his $100M+ PAC.
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Good. Getting rid of McConnell is much moar important having a war with Putin and his 11 time zones.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 01:46 PM (Hudry)

344 I'm not sure I buy the argument that Zdogg has anything on Biden. Considering what we already *know* about FJB's shady dealings in Ukraine, just how bad does it have to be? Does it involve tossing puppies in boiling oil?
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 23, 2022 01:40 PM (YIVH2)

Reporting for duty sir

Tony Fauci

Posted by: 7man at September 23, 2022 01:48 PM (qwO6y)

345 341 Russia didn't take Chechnya on the first attempt either.

Or Finnish Karelia in 1939-1940.
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Check out the Polish Soviet War 1917 -1919.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 01:48 PM (Hudry)

346 Remember, the stock markets are almost totally disconnected from the state of the economy overall. It is NOT an indicator of economic health, because the government works very hard to make sure that all those big investors and "too big to fail" corporations are propped up and funded even if everything else is going to hell.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2022 01:48 PM (Ivdso)

347 I guess it's time to stock up on rice, beans, and King Harv coffee.

Posted by: kallisto at September 23, 2022 01:48 PM (dCxaZ)

348 Meanwhile back at home, the Army National Guard is kicking out 14,000 troops who refused the clot shot. And the Air Force Academy is telling cadets to go woke and stop saying "mom" and "dad."

Posted by: callsign claymore at September 23, 2022 01:48 PM (6OQZV)

349 The people in the disputed territory are in the process of voting to be part of Russia, who can be trusted to look out for them, rather than the NATO puppet regime in Kiev who kill them indiscriminately, but sure, "losing".
Posted by: Methos at September 23, 2022 01:07 PM (kOpft)

So we’re fighting a proxy war over voter integrity.
Posted by: 7man at September 23, 2022 01:32 PM (qwO6y)

Our 'democratic' side has banned all oppo parties in Ukraine, made a law that made taking humanitarian aid in Russian held zones a criminal offense, and now voting in the plebiscites is also a crime.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 23, 2022 01:48 PM (eoQWY)

350 I think we are missing the point.

Biden thinks the destruction of Russia is his legacy moment.

The Left deep thinkers are starting to make this comparison

Reagan destroyed the USSR,
Biden destroyed the Russian Federation.

The 3 brain cells remaining in that perverted head of his which are not senile or thinking about humping children want to have that legacy.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is junta manifest at September 23, 2022 01:48 PM (oczQH)

351 The Turtle needs to get tossed out

Posted by: Skip at September 23, 2022 01:49 PM (xhxe8)

352 Russia had...100K troops or so engaged in theater against roughly an equal number of Ukes (eventually).

Generally you want a significant advantage in numbers as the attacker.

But here's the thing...these limited war are very risky and rarely work. So take the Gulf war and compare it to Vietnam, Korea, the Iraq War, and the Stan war.

The US mostly loses when it does this. Amusingly Putin did NOT learn from our mistakes.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 23, 2022 01:49 PM (ESjRY)

353 Plus, campaign season is about to come to a screeching halt due to mud, and then General Winter.

I suspect that the Russian plan is to train the troops, wait until winter, and then launch the offensive as the Europeans are freezing in the dark.

See how anxious they are to resupply Kiev then.

Already the EU is ordering the Italians not to vote for the right-wing party in the upcoming elections.

Posted by: VVP! at September 23, 2022 01:49 PM (I2/tG)

354 I didn't mean it never goes down (I rather said the opposite).
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No, you said it is up under Biden and will stay up. It's down.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 23, 2022 01:49 PM (/TP/o)

355 Russian infantry training is normally six weeks (versus 22 weeks in the US), but these folks will probably just be issued uniforms and sent to the front.

For many this is their fate.
But to win the Russians need drivers and mechanics and medical troops and signal troops and artillery troops, and a whole shitload of support forces. These take additional training. But more importantly, they need to be able to get all this shit to the battle in some kind of cohesive whole. They can do it...but not over night.
And if they fail, then the tactical nuke issue gets real interesting.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 23, 2022 01:49 PM (anj39)

356 I love Tucker, but.... he hates the Ukrainian leader so damn much (I know he has flaws, no doubt, but he could have left like the Afghanistan leader did) plus he also loves to have some creepy Colonel on that has been on RT a ton, who forever defends Russia ,and he's always wrong about the war....
guess no one's perfect

Posted by: ziggggyyyyeeee at September 23, 2022 01:49 PM (+s4x8)

357 Ever watch "Cops" and there's a call for a public disturbance and it's two trailer-trash girls fighting and the cop has to find out what's going on but the two girls are each telling their story simultaneously, rapidly and incoherently at the top of their lungs? That's what trying to learn about this war is like.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 23, 2022 01:46 PM (1Nxff)

At least there is a non-zero chance one or both of the trailer trash is bra-less and has a decent set of hooters.
Not so with the war.

Posted by: anchorbabe fashion cop at September 23, 2022 01:49 PM (ufFY8)

358 I wonder what effect the mobilization of 300,000+ reservists has on the minds of Europeans, especially those living in Poland and Germany. A powerful chip on the table, especially when food and energy prices in Germany are skyrocketing. The Krauts are cutting down their forests for firewood.

Posted by: mrp at September 23, 2022 01:50 PM (6eRlp)

359 I suspect one aspect of this is Russia will not indiscriminately attack Uke economic targets as they have not done to this point - but not in Eastern Ukraine where the people on the ground generally favor them.

I wouldn't be scheduling another concert in Kiev...

Posted by: 18-1 at September 23, 2022 01:50 PM (ESjRY)

360 Biden thinks the destruction of Russia is his legacy moment.

I don't think it goes that far. The elites around the world were using Ukraine as one of their "we can do awful things here without being busted" spots, and they don't want to give that up. Russia threatened to break up the entire disgusting party and they're fighting to keep it going. I think that's as deep as the thinking goes.

I mean, probably there's some of China whispering in elite ears that its good to weaken Russia, but not much more than that.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2022 01:50 PM (Ivdso)

361 not = now

Posted by: 18-1 at September 23, 2022 01:50 PM (ESjRY)

362 I love Tucker, but.... he hates the Ukrainian leader so damn much

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For good reason.

How many yachts is he up to now?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 23, 2022 01:50 PM (oiwMO)

363 Russia didn't take Chechnya on the first attempt either.

Or Finnish Karelia in 1939-1940.
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Check out the Polish Soviet War 1917 -1919.
Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 01:48 PM (Hudry)

That one did stick to the end of that war, but they got it all back when WWII started and kept it.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 23, 2022 01:50 PM (eoQWY)

364 319 And remember, the left only recently hates Russia because they stopped letting gays adopt Russian children for abuse and grooming.

That INFURIATED the left. To the point that they were willing to prompt a nuclear war by accusing Russia of interfering with our elections, and now here we are with Ukraine.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 23, 2022 01:43 PM (oiwMO)
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You might be on to something.
Putin knows that they are baby eating pedos.
Putin has the goods on them, names and numbers and maybe photos.
They want to quiet Putin to his place.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 23, 2022 01:50 PM (8IhvM)

365 When this goes nukilar, it will be due the USA causing it to go nukular.

No matter how bad Rooshia is, or Uke for that matter, the USA will have caused this to occur, and is responsible for it continuing and escalating.

Enjoy your Great Reset, folks.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 23, 2022 01:51 PM (YV6PJ)

366 made a law that made taking humanitarian aid in Russian held zones a criminal offense

Twelve years in prison.

That's against international law, BTW, if anyone cares.

Posted by: VVP! at September 23, 2022 01:51 PM (I2/tG)

367 Too bad Zelenskyy doesn't have photon torpedos.

Posted by: Lindsey Graham at September 23, 2022 01:51 PM (v0R5T)

368 And here I sit, fretting about a Fedex delivery with new sweatpants and pocket tees instead of worrying about the Ukes. At least I have my priorities straight.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 23, 2022 01:51 PM (lz5hY)

369 @290 Shouldn't Russia be running into the same demographic problems that the rest of Europe is having? Not having babies = no future generations? That does come to ahead at some point.

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They are. IIRC, the Russian government started offering cash bounties for families that had lots of kids all the way back in the '90s. It hasn't helped.

Posted by: junior at September 23, 2022 01:51 PM (PTw5h)

370 Already the EU is ordering the Italians not to vote for the right-wing party in the upcoming elections.
Posted by: VVP! at September 23, 2022 01:49 PM (I2/tG)
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How much sovereignty does the EU have over the internal elections of member states? I'm guessing it's a lot more than the feds have over state elections here (which is already too much).

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 23, 2022 01:51 PM (YIVH2)

371 347 I guess it's time to stock up on rice, beans, and King Harv coffee.
Posted by: kallisto

Don't forget the Hornady and Federal.

Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 23, 2022 01:52 PM (ZCool)

372 No, many of Russia's "best" BTGs have been involved - and savaged - since February. What was considered the best grouping of the three was in the north, coming down towards Kiev, at the outset. Considered the best partly because they were the only ones known to have exercised together.

Their structure is now one of battalion tactical groups, assembled for specific missions according to nature of the mission, a sort of modular approach. Not the massive divisions of the Soviet or Red armies.

Note that the Ukrainian offensive in the south has been very costly, and not done much. This was first-line forces on both sides, no militias. I think this situation correctly reflects the likely parameters. Where Russia decides to do so, it can contain or limit Ukrainian offensives, and impose heavy (probably unsustainable) costs.

Problem is that Russia, with its current commitment, hasn't had the resources to do this on every front. Thus the basically open door the Ukes pushed on in Kharkov recently.

Posted by: Your House GOP!!!! at September 23, 2022 01:52 PM (OTzUX)

373 Biden thinks the destruction of Russia is his legacy moment.

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Ha. His sanctions did nothing to Russia but broke the back of America.

I'm not sure that's how "destruction of Russia" works. Seems familiar in a way, though. Can someone remind me why the USSR fell?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 23, 2022 01:52 PM (oiwMO)

374 And remember, the left only recently hates Russia because they stopped letting gays adopt Russian children for abuse and grooming.

Yeah the left is acting like a crazy ex girlfriend, she loved Soviet Union so much and look at how he changed!!!! HOW DARE HE!!!

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2022 01:52 PM (Ivdso)

375 >>>That one did stick to the end of that war, but they got it all back when WWII started and kept it.
Posted by: Oldcat
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We had a hand in that.

On their own, Russia, militarily, is a failure this century.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 23, 2022 01:53 PM (8IhvM)

376 Russia threatened to break up the entire disgusting party and they're fighting to keep it going. I think that's as deep as the thinking goes.

I mean, probably there's some of China whispering in elite ears that its good to weaken Russia, but not much more than that.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2022 01:50 PM (Ivdso)

Oh, they do want to destroy Russia, they have repeatedly said so. They just thought the financial sanctions they tried first would do the job and the war war was a sideshow. Then they tried actual trade sanctions and still are hoping they magically work if they can just buy enough time. Hence the hold to the death for every village in the Donbas.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 23, 2022 01:53 PM (eoQWY)

377 War is hot. Rowr.

Posted by: Lindsey Graham at September 23, 2022 01:53 PM (v0R5T)

378 338
Ever watch "Cops" and there's a call for a public disturbance and it's two trailer-trash girls fighting and the cop has to find out what's going on but the two girls are each telling their story simultaneously, rapidly and incoherently at the top of their lungs? That's what trying to learn about this war is like.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 23, 2022 01:46 PM (1Nxff)

Which side is better at the emphasis clapping?

Posted by: The Central Scrutinizer at September 23, 2022 01:53 PM (KbCG3)

379 I love Tucker, but.... he hates the Ukrainian leader so damn much

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For good reason.

How many yachts is he up to now?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 23, 2022 01:50 PM (oiwMO)

Well, Tucker is using the brains God gave him instead of being Pavlov's dog when the neocons wave the flag.

Posted by: WiNO - Amish Vampires in Space at September 23, 2022 01:53 PM (EpDzw)

380 And remember, the left only recently hates Russia because they stopped letting gays adopt Russian children for abuse and grooming.

Yeah the left is acting like a crazy ex girlfriend, she loved Soviet Union so much and look at how he changed!!!! HOW DARE HE!!!

*

Yep. The left couldn't get enough of Russia right up until they said "Wait, y'all are doing what to the Russian children you're adopting? No, no more."

Then pow, it was time for nuclear war.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Don't insist that I accept what you are when you can't accept what you are at September 23, 2022 01:53 PM (oiwMO)

381 20th Century
Russia military failure

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 23, 2022 01:53 PM (8IhvM)

382 I was responding to a particular statement.

I will happily recognize anyone else who is successful in driving back the globohomo crowd in some substantial way as soon as I see some evidence that it has happened.

Posted by: Methos
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Depends on what you consider conditions of 'victory' which is what a lot of people here seem to be missing. In the case of Russia, invasions for fun and profit for oligarchs to kill Russian soldiers and Ukrainians seems to be one of the costs of Putin along with killing dissidents, etc.

Posted by: whig at September 23, 2022 01:54 PM (CXr4y)

383 @370

>>How much sovereignty does the EU have over the internal elections of member states? I'm guessing it's a lot more than the feds have over state elections here (which is already too much).

Italy is essentially a welfare state of the EU, they can exert a lot of monetary and logistical pain on Italy if the people, "vote the wrong way."

So we shall see who wins this particular game of chicken.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 23, 2022 01:54 PM (ShrZO)

384 Not so sure Ukraine's luck ran out. It just means more woefully unprepared and under-armed men in Muscovite uniforms are going to die. There are already ethnic separatist sentiments in several areas, this will only strengthen those movements that are relatively mild at the moment. Even if Muscovy wins the "military exercise," it's coming out if this a loser. So much for the mighty Muscovite military.

Posted by: Patrick74 at September 23, 2022 01:54 PM (PPa/L)

385 I pointed out earlier the VIX is up a lot recently. For those who don't follow the market, the VIX is supposed to measure "volatility", which is associated with risk of some future big move in the market. They used to call it the "fear index". I don't trade it so I don't know how accurate a predictor it has been, but it is up a lot and that is interesting.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 23, 2022 01:54 PM (CHEpZ)

386 Don't know what's going to happen on the Ukraine battlefield but you can bet all your dwindling-in- value dollars that whatever happens Zelensky and his equally craven wife will be wealthier at the end of it all.

Posted by: Beyond Norman Parameters at September 23, 2022 01:54 PM (wReBR)

387 358 I wonder what effect the mobilization of 300,000+ reservists has on the minds of Europeans, especially those living in Poland and Germany. A powerful chip on the table, especially when food and energy prices in Germany are skyrocketing. The Krauts are cutting down their forests for firewood.
Posted by: mrp at September 23, 2022 01:50 PM (6eRlp)

Hmmm, interesting point. When it gets cold and the lights go out in the EU this winter, would they attempt to use their military to force Russia to turn energy back on... because Dec, to Jan.... right as these troops would be coming deployable, will be a tipping point.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 23, 2022 01:55 PM (oHd/0)

388 Comrade Rachakokov,
Greetings from Vladimir Putin on behalf of Mother Rodina. You will be honored to serve our country in our glorious military. You join a long line of valorous soldiers like those who singlehandedly whipped Nazi Germany. Well of course the Ukrainians were on our side then. But never mind.
See you in the morning.
Vlad

Posted by: Eromero at September 23, 2022 01:55 PM (/RDPd)

389 20th Century
Russia military failure
Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 23, 2022 01:53 PM (8IhvM)

Russia failure.
Good job, commies.
105 years of misery and death.

Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at September 23, 2022 01:55 PM (ufFY8)

390 Italy is essentially a welfare state of the EU, they can exert a lot of monetary and logistical pain on Italy if the people, "vote the wrong way."

So we shall see who wins this particular game of chicken.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 23, 2022 01:54 PM (ShrZO)
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That's kind of what I figured. Yet another reason why individual states here in America should do what they can to get off the federal teat as much as possible...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 23, 2022 01:56 PM (YIVH2)

391

They should buy the Uyghurs from the Chinese, and send them in human wave attacks... 5 million pissed off religious fanatics, given the opportunity to loot kill and devour... Really, what could go wrong?

Posted by: Oddly Enough at September 23, 2022 01:56 PM (CkQLu)

392 Scotty doesn't know about Hurricane Fiona.

Posted by: I've got nothing at September 23, 2022 01:56 PM (h5TKJ)

393 This business will get out of control! It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it!

Posted by: TheMitch at September 23, 2022 01:56 PM (cDITE)

394 I have to correct myself: apparently the stock market overall is finally lower today than when Biden took office.

https://tinyurl.com/ye6v8cat

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2022 01:56 PM (Ivdso)

395 Militia and paid mercs with T-80s? You might want to double-check your sources...
Posted by: junior at September 23, 2022 01:41 PM (PTw5h)

The Russian Army has several different groups of soldiers. The conscript / draft soldiers are called up in April and October for one year of service INSIDE the RUSSIAN FEDERATION ONLY. They also get paid shit and have no good benefits from serving.

Some draftees were sent to Ukraine, and their commanders were punished for it.

The Ukrainian Invading Army is "Contract" (pofessional paid) soldiers that get fairly decent pay and lots of promised great benefits (IF?). They are on longer term multi-year contracts, like our US Army Soldiers.

Others like the Chechens are Republic specific local Army soldiers beholden to their Provincial Leader / Strongman. The Chechens are the army that put down the Islamic revolt in Chechnya, when the Russians could not.

Posted by: rd at September 23, 2022 01:56 PM (Z32m1)

396 Already the EU is ordering the Italians not to vote for the right-wing party in the upcoming elections.
Posted by: VVP! at September 23, 2022 01:49 PM (I2/tG)
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How much sovereignty does the EU have over the internal elections of member states? I'm guessing it's a lot more than the feds have over state elections here (which is already too much).
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 23, 2022 01:51 PM (YIVH2)

It doesn't matter - last few times an oppo party got elected the EU threatened them and got the result reversed by having the coalition break up or threatening internal reprisals. Not to mention the many 'redos' they forced when countries didnt ratify the EU treaty.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 23, 2022 01:56 PM (eoQWY)

397 And here I sit, fretting about a Fedex delivery with new sweatpants and pocket tees instead of worrying about the Ukes. At least I have my priorities straight.

Enjoy them while you can, comrade.

Posted by: The WEF at September 23, 2022 01:56 PM (Xrfse)

398 Man, rewatching the destruction of G4TV all I can say is "go Frosk?"

Posted by: sven at September 23, 2022 01:56 PM (Lzpvj)

399 "For many this is their fate.
But to win the Russians need drivers and mechanics and medical troops and signal troops and artillery troops, and a whole shitload of support forces. These take additional training. But more importantly, they need to be able to get all this shit to the battle in some kind of cohesive whole. They can do it...but not over night.
And if they fail, then the tactical nuke issue gets real interesting."

The Uke's, when they can, have been going after the infantry support and artillery units. Apparently to the point where it's slowing things down. We all know a lot of those specialists take time to train and replace. If anything it buys them time.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 23, 2022 01:56 PM (mSy8I)

400 also after a spate of local break-ins I guess I am going to ccw when not at work.

Posted by: sven at September 23, 2022 01:57 PM (Lzpvj)

401 370 Already the EU is ordering the Italians not to vote for the right-wing party in the upcoming elections.
Posted by: VVP! at September 23, 2022 01:49 PM (I2/tG)
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How much sovereignty does the EU have over the internal elections of member states? I'm guessing it's a lot more than the feds have over state elections here (which is already too much).
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel
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Italians will do exactly what they are told to do
if they want to.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 23, 2022 01:57 PM (8IhvM)

402 A lot of talk about why the US junta is "gung-ho" on the war, as if it was started by the US or Ukraine. Nobody ever asks why Putin started this war to begin with. Is "There's Nazis There!!" the best anyone can come up with?

Posted by: espinostifer at September 23, 2022 01:58 PM (ZKXFn)

403 399 Posted by: Marcus T at September 23, 2022 01:56 PM (mSy8I)

some poster who maybe observes a training environment for their living may have pointed out that traffic deserts and logistical strangulation are the future of warfare a few times.

Posted by: sven at September 23, 2022 01:58 PM (Lzpvj)

404 Uberdouche/@SalesforceOrg CEO @Benioff vows to leave Republican-led cities/states: "If you're not for equality and dignity ... then we're going to have to exit your city or your state" @tomselliot

LOL. GTFO. Who needs you asshat?

Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 23, 2022 01:58 PM (ZCool)

405 Lots of mistakes the Russians have made surprised me but why Putin didn't just buy the land bridge he wants to Crimea surprised me the most. Zelensky would have made a deal, if cash money was on the table.

Now, Russia looks horrible, Putin is taking about nuclear weapons, and Europe is aghast at the mass graves and the instability of Russia. How Russia gets out of this, I have no idea.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 23, 2022 01:58 PM (CHEpZ)

406 '1945' ran a post yesterday which appears to be a trial balloon warning the Ukrainians that the NATO MLRS rocket and 155mm shell inventories are exhausted.

It proposes giving the Ukrainians short range, low payload M119 howitzers and 105mm shells.

Posted by: 10x25mm at September 23, 2022 01:58 PM (c7UwR)

407 Italy is essentially a welfare state of the EU, they can exert a lot of monetary and logistical pain on Italy if the people, "vote the wrong way."

So we shall see who wins this particular game of chicken.

Posted by: Thomas Bender
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The power that Italy has is if it defaults, it brings down German and Dutch banks. To a lesser extent, that is why Greece has continued to go on its merry way spending itself into oblivion because the German banks faced with the consequences of Greek default blinked.

Basically, the EU, the US Fed Reserve, Japan, and China's banking systems are up to their necks in constructing a house of cards that make previous credit bubbles in history look like an individual soap bubble.

Posted by: whig at September 23, 2022 01:58 PM (CXr4y)

408 LOL Mitch McConnell is apparently feeling the pressure, finally ~~lies about~~ promises to repeal the 87k IRS agent bloat if Republican takes office.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2022 01:59 PM (Ivdso)

409 "Believe not a single word you hear from anyone about anything concerning this conflict. Not. One. Word. This is all lies and propaganda and steaming piles of bullshit."

Works for me. Nothing that I trust enough worth getting too agitated about. A lot of issues like that these days.

Posted by: Peel gp A Grape at September 23, 2022 01:59 PM (24fqN)

410 Meh.

Could be worse.

Posted by: igor at September 23, 2022 01:59 PM (dy/xE)

411 402 Posted by: espinostifer at September 23, 2022 01:58 PM (ZKXFn)

The "President" of your biggest foe outlaws efficient US production and gives you tacit permission to "go play awhile"....why the f*ck wouldn't you roll the dice.

Posted by: sven at September 23, 2022 01:59 PM (Lzpvj)

412 393 That scene in "The Hunt for Red October" will get more play as things heat up.

Posted by: callsign claymore at September 23, 2022 02:00 PM (6OQZV)

413 I don't trust either side

Posted by: It's me donna at September 23, 2022 02:00 PM (bs+z0)

414 Left-leaning media figures on CNN and ABC, as well as Democratic politicians, are reigniting their claim that Republicans are to blame for the border crisis occurring under the Biden administration.

Makes sense to me..........

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 23, 2022 02:00 PM (Js3tc)

415 Putin isn;r scooping up kids off the street, though this is the impression the west's corporate news media has been ordered to give.

Posted by: DJSmith

Thank you!! The call ups are NOT draftees. For Russia, this is a necessary and overdue mobilization. The fact is, most of the fighting on the ground is being done by LPR and DPR forces, with a sprinkle of chechen special forces, Wagner, and spetznaz. That has its limitations, and at no point in time have they outnumbered Ukie troops in the field. That will now change a bit, obviously.

Posted by: Skeptical Schnauzer at September 23, 2022 02:00 PM (h+7ej)

416 Uberdouche/@SalesforceOrg CEO @Benioff vows to leave Republican-led cities/states: "If you're not for equality and dignity ... then we're going to have to exit your city or your state" @tomselliot
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Is someone against "equality and dignity"? I hadn't heard that. Is that a platform plank from Luntz-McCarthy's new "sort-of partly serious Contract With America"?

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 23, 2022 02:00 PM (CHEpZ)

417 409

+1

As if anybody in the West knows WTF is really happening there.

Posted by: Clark Westfield at September 23, 2022 02:00 PM (RW2sZ)

418 The GOP is talking big now about stuff they pretend they will do if they win a majority in congress:

-Fight inflation and lower the cost of living by cutting government spending, lowering taxes, and deregulating industry.
-Maximize American-made energy and move supply chains and manufacturing away from China.
-Secure the border by increasing funding to law enforcement, hiring 200,000 more officers, ending catch-and-release, requiring legal status for jobs, targeting DAs who refuse to prosecute crime, and fighting the import of fentanyl that's killing thousands.
-Establish a Select Committee on China to counter the growing threat of the CCP.
-Advance a Parents' Bill of Rights, protect women competing in women's sports from transgender ideology, work on legislation to curb censorship and privacy invasion by Big Tech.
-Uphold constitutional freedoms including free speech, the rights of preborn children, religious liberty, and the right to keep and bear arms.
-End proxy voting in Congress, push for voter ID and accurate voter rolls with fair observer access to polling sites.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at September 23, 2022 02:00 PM (Ivdso)

419 A lot of Russian ordnance is the same as Soviet era stuff, just plain junk built by dissatisfied workers. Back in the early 70s, when there was wargaming, they figured the Soviets would crash through the Fulda gap in their magic carpet BMPs. Then it was found they were kind of a tenement home fire trap on tracks. Seeing stuff broken down on the battlefield and abandoned leads me to believe the supply chain from J. C. Whitney has broke down. They do know what it's about when it comes to arty.

Posted by: bill in arkansas, not gonna comply with nuttin, waiting for the 0300 knock on the door at September 23, 2022 02:00 PM (lz5hY)

420 It's not a war.

And it's not a recession.

Posted by: ... at September 23, 2022 02:01 PM (BXxcV)

421 413 Posted by: It's me donna at September 23, 2022 02:00 PM (bs+z0)

Good news you are a wise person....

as Gramps said, "Don't believe the hype" followed with "and son it is ALL hype."

Posted by: sven at September 23, 2022 02:01 PM (Lzpvj)

422 "The one with the rifle shoots! When the one with the rifle is killed, the other one picks up the rifle and shoots!"

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at September 23, 2022 02:01 PM (9nXhD)

423 Being the British kinda sucks, though.

Maybe the one and only way in which the Axis & Allies base game is accurate/true to life.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 23, 2022 02:01 PM (ppBhU)

424 Nood.

Posted by: Comrade flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at September 23, 2022 02:02 PM (yHsuS)

425 L'EU si fara fottere in Italia. Meloni vincera.

Posted by: Marcus T at September 23, 2022 02:02 PM (mSy8I)

426 422 "The one with the rifle shoots! When the one with the rifle is killed, the other one picks up the rifle and shoots!"
Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at September 23, 2022 02:01 PM (9nXhD)

Or in the case of the French Runs like hell

Posted by: It's me donna at September 23, 2022 02:02 PM (bs+z0)

427 402 A lot of talk about why the US junta is "gung-ho" on the war, as if it was started by the US or Ukraine. Nobody ever asks why Putin started this war to begin with. Is "There's Nazis There!!" the best anyone can come up with?
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Putin called Biden's bluff. Biden publically said that a Russian incursion could be negotiated. Putin said 'hold my beer' and took what he needed. Now Biden has to act tough until the mid terms are decided. My guess Ukraine's future is dependent on Dems holding the House and Senate. I don't think that will happen and Ukraine will disappear, once again, from media coverage. Then there will be a negotiated settlement.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 02:02 PM (Hudry)

428 Nobody ever asks why Putin started this war to begin with. Is "There's Nazis There!!" the best anyone can come up with?

Two reasons:

1) He's ex-KGB, he wants to get the USSR back together
2) US Democrats have been seeking since the 90s to surround Russia with NATO countries. (Some elements of the Clinton administration said that was a stupid idea and Putin would start invading things, but they were overruled by Bill and Hillary).

Posted by: Ian S. at September 23, 2022 02:02 PM (ZGrMX)

429 @407

>>Basically, the EU, the US Fed Reserve, Japan, and China's banking systems are up to their necks in constructing a house of cards that make previous credit bubbles in history look like an individual soap bubble.

Essentially, we are living inside of a false vacuum that is going to pop and wink the observable Universe out of existence.

Well, I guess that beats the heat death of the universe in that it's quicker and probably a whole lot less painful.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 23, 2022 02:03 PM (ShrZO)

430 I haven't really kept up on the russia/ukraine thing because I assume all of the info is bullshit.

Posted by: MJ at September 23, 2022 02:03 PM (zwDuR)

431

(full disclosure: lots and lots of eastern European Jewry in my background, vast irrational but really well founded hatred for most of the historical parties involved, on all sides, considerable sympathy for people who didn't make this history but are living in the middle of it's products. Utter contempt for anyone who sees Russia as a rational actor: the wild evil of Nazi Germany ended without a reckoning for Pan Slavic genocidal racism)

He's right that the US could settle this now, and he's right that it isn't being settled because Biden is corrupt and weak. But he also underestimated the balls to the wall fury of a chunk of eastern Europe towards Russia. That fury plays well for Biden's interests, although it is divorced from Biden's motives. Anyone should cast a cold look towards Ukraine's political supporters.

OTOH, Russia is approaching failed state status. Racism is endemic, they have the highest rate of abortion and divorce in Europe, a plummeting ethnic Russian birth rate: fuck'em. It's the gasping of an empire. Rot in hell, dudes.

I want transparency in discourse about this. Only places like AOS provide it.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at September 23, 2022 02:03 PM (Bjy0Z)

432 >>> 420 It's not a war.

And it's not a recession.

Posted by: ... at September 23, 2022 02:01 PM (BXxcV)

Heh.

"rachel" Levine is not a man.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 23, 2022 02:03 PM (llON8)

433 418 The GOP is talking big now about stuff they pretend they will do if they win a majority in congress:

I guess repealing Obamacare is not being considered.
*makes jerking motion with hand*

Posted by: Maj. Healey at September 23, 2022 02:03 PM (ZCool)

434 Now, Russia looks horrible, Putin is taking about nuclear weapons, and Europe is aghast at the mass graves and the instability of Russia. How Russia gets out of this, I have no idea.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 23, 2022 01:58 PM (CHEpZ)

Take off the Russian hate filter, then go read what Putin actually said.

Its like the Trump Jan 6 stuff... if you leave ONE PHRASE out, it sounds bad.... (go PEACEFULLY Protest...)...

Putin said 'if Russian territorial integrity is threatened' then everything is on the table.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 23, 2022 02:03 PM (oHd/0)

435 427 Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 02:02 PM (Hudry)

The Ukie corruptocrats bought the mules thinking it bought greater protection than being a NATO member.

Hopefully the right thing happens this fall and the correct lessons are learned.

Posted by: sven at September 23, 2022 02:03 PM (Lzpvj)

436 I'm only concerned with surviving the Biden Era. Reminds me of trying to make it through the Obama Era, only this might be scarier because we have the added nuttiness of the Sleepy Meat Puppet talking the world into war.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 23, 2022 02:03 PM (CHEpZ)

437 Lots of mistakes the Russians have made surprised me but why Putin didn't just buy the land bridge he wants to Crimea surprised me the most. Zelensky would have made a deal, if cash money was on the table.

Now, Russia looks horrible, Putin is taking about nuclear weapons, and Europe is aghast at the mass graves and the instability of Russia. How Russia gets out of this, I have no idea.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 23, 2022 01:58 PM (CHEpZ)

The land bridge was Azov's playground. The Azovs and other Nazi military forces (about 30 percent of Ukraines total forces) are there to guard against the actual Ukranian army since they government doesn't trust the Military since the coup that put them in power.

In the diplomatic offers pre war, the Russians never mentioned the land bridge, and just wanted the districts in Donbas self rule inside of Ukraine, as set in the peace treaty to the last war Ukraine lost. You can claim they wanted more, but that's what was on the table until the shooting started.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 23, 2022 02:04 PM (eoQWY)

438 G4 was an attempt to do what the internet does well ... but it was all the things that cable tv does abysmally poor. Tone-deaf, mean, and soulless.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 23, 2022 02:04 PM (44ww/)

439 A lot of talk about why the US junta is "gung-ho" on the war, as if it was started by the US or Ukraine. Nobody ever asks why Putin started this war to begin with. Is "There's Nazis There!!" the best anyone can come up with?
Posted by: espinostifer at September 23, 2022 01:58 PM (ZKXFn)

As has been explained, the US helped overthrow the legitimate Ukrainian gov't in a color revolution in 2014. This violated the Paris accords of non-interference in Ukrainian politics, of which the US is a signatory. That overthrow resulted in several eastern, Russian ethnic areas wanting out of Ukraine. Meanwhile, Russia retook Crimea, which has been a part of Russia for centuries. Ukraine spent the last 6-7 years bombing and terrorizing the Russian ethnic areas. Then Ukraine made noises about joining NATO. That was it for Russia and they launched a limited war to secure the eastern areas, create a viable corridor to Crimea, and force Ukraine to give up on NATO. The US and EU then escalated the conflict with massive amounts of weapons and sanctions. There is that better?

Posted by: WiNO - Amish Vampires in Space at September 23, 2022 02:06 PM (EpDzw)

440 Why were the Germans laughing at Trump for saying what were easily foreseeable issues? Because Davos thought China would play along. China flipped and is now backing Russia. What's the stupidest play for Davos? Double down times a hundred. They want to replay the 30's and this time the commies destroy nationalism. Except, they are getting the 60's and China will win.

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at September 23, 2022 02:06 PM (b+v9B)

441 Many here are trying to put this war into an American thought-process box.

They fight wars differently in Europe, especially Eastern Europe. A whole different mindset.

We haven't even begun to see the killing yet. And yes, Putin could very well start dropping nukes.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at September 23, 2022 02:07 PM (BdMk6)

442 346 Remember, the stock markets are almost totally disconnected from the state of the economy overall. It is NOT an indicator of economic health, because the government works very hard to make sure that all those big investors and "too big to fail" corporations are propped up and funded even if everything else is going to hell.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Not quite but correlation involves latent variables. The major issue pressing on the market is that if you raise interest rates for corporate borrowing due to inflation, it will reduce their profits or push them into a loss. It also ends a lot of merger/acquisitions stock buyouts financed with debt as those are no longer profitable.

Posted by: whig at September 23, 2022 02:07 PM (CXr4y)

443 418 The GOP is talking big now about stuff they pretend they will do if they win a majority in congress:
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Either we vote enough Trumpers in to make a difference or we're screwed.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 23, 2022 02:07 PM (8IhvM)

444 Lots of geriatric cold war warriors here. Thanks for your service now shut the fuck up before your commander in chief gets us into a war with Russia. I get your duck and cover nightmares are really never over but your jingo saber rattling days are long over. Go over to instapamzy for your daily dose of Ukraine love and glory days reminiscing.

Posted by: Nipsy Ruskel at September 23, 2022 02:07 PM (VrahN)

445 Uberdouche/@SalesforceOrg CEO @Benioff vows to leave Republican-led cities/states: "If you're not for equality and dignity ... then we're going to have to exit your city or your state" @tomselliot

Salesforce is absolute garbage. Probably the worst cloud platform I've ever had the misfortune to support. Having said that, it's heartwarming to see that the CEO is facilitating the company's extinction. Good riddance.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at September 23, 2022 02:07 PM (Xrfse)

446 @395 The Russian Army has several different groups of soldiers. The conscript / draft soldiers are called up in April and October for one year of service INSIDE the RUSSIAN FEDERATION ONLY.

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I've been wondering if the call-up means that's about to change. IIRC, if Putin decides to declare an actual war, then he's legally permitted to send the conscripts across the border.

Posted by: junior at September 23, 2022 02:08 PM (PTw5h)

447 Nobody ever asks why Putin started this war to begin with. Is "There's Nazis There!!" the best anyone can come up with?

Two reasons:

1) He's ex-KGB, he wants to get the USSR back together
2) US Democrats have been seeking since the 90s to surround Russia with NATO countries. (Some elements of the Clinton administration said that was a stupid idea and Putin would start invading things, but they were overruled by Bill and Hillary).
Posted by: Ian S. at September 23, 2022 02:02 PM (ZGrMX)

There *are* Nazis there, though. The BBC and leftist magazines did all sorts of exposes about them before they had to go all pro-Ukraine in the last year. In the promo pictures of cute soldiers when the war started, news agencies were repeatedly forced to pull photos when Nazi tattoos and logos were visible in the photo.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 23, 2022 02:08 PM (eoQWY)

448 Putin said 'if Russian territorial integrity is threatened' then everything is on the table.
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 23, 2022 02:03 PM (oHd/0)
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I don't hate Russia. In fact I think Putin was right in Syria, and I think he is right to be pissed off at NATO meddling in Ukraine. So no "Russia hate filter" here.

As far as Russian "territorial integrity" goes, he might be including the Donbas and Luhansk in that statement, and he might also be including Crimea. No one knows, I don't think.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 23, 2022 02:08 PM (CHEpZ)

449 China flipped and is now backing Russia. What's the stupidest play for Davos? Double down times a hundred. They want to replay the 30's and this time the commies destroy nationalism. Except, they are getting the 60's and China will win.

Posted by: Jamaica NYC
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Actually China is not--they are buying cheap Russian energy but even the Chinese don't want a wider war and have said so. If you notice, the NORKs even denied sending Russia arms.

Posted by: whig at September 23, 2022 02:08 PM (CXr4y)

450 430 I haven't really kept up on the russia/ukraine thing because I assume all of the info is bullshit.
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If it comes from Manhattan, District of Chaz and SF you know its bullshit.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 02:09 PM (Hudry)

451 Anyone who thinks that what Russia says it wants at the beginning of negotiations are, in fact, its basic goals....I have swampland in Florida to sell you.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at September 23, 2022 02:09 PM (Bjy0Z)

452 I've been wondering if the call-up means that's about to change. IIRC, if Putin decides to declare an actual war, then he's legally permitted to send the conscripts across the border.
Posted by: junior at September 23, 2022 02:08 PM (PTw5h)

I think Putin is worried about the West's response this winter, when its population is freezing due to the energy shut down.

There are going to be some really desperate politicians in the EU, because what is going to happen is pretty damn predictable.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 23, 2022 02:10 PM (oHd/0)

453 444 Posted by: Nipsy Ruskel at September 23, 2022 02:07 PM (VrahN)

Go show us how it is done scooter, I am the last cold warrior.

Posted by: sven at September 23, 2022 02:10 PM (Lzpvj)

454 @370 How much sovereignty does the EU have over the internal elections of member states? I'm guessing it's a lot more than the feds have over state elections here (which is already too much).

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IIRC, the EU was upset at the Polish government a few years ago, and told the Poles that they needed to change. The Poles ignored them.

Posted by: junior at September 23, 2022 02:11 PM (PTw5h)

455 Putin said 'if Russian territorial integrity is threatened' then everything is on the table.
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 23, 2022 02:03 PM (oHd/0)

Which has always been the case. What changes now is that the border of Russia will change if the plebiscites go the right way.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 23, 2022 02:11 PM (eoQWY)

456 446 @395 The Russian Army has several different groups of soldiers. The conscript / draft soldiers are called up in April and October for one year of service INSIDE the RUSSIAN FEDERATION ONLY.

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I've been wondering if the call-up means that's about to change. IIRC, if Putin decides to declare an actual war, then he's legally permitted to send the conscripts across the border.

more importantly, if the referendum succeeds putin can declare that donbas and luhansk are INSIDE RUSSIA and he can therefore send his new recruits there.

Posted by: kulak anachronda at September 23, 2022 02:11 PM (v3pYe)

457 There *are* Nazis there, though. The BBC and leftist magazines did all sorts of exposes about them before they had to go all pro-Ukraine in the last year. In the promo pictures of cute soldiers when the war started, news agencies were repeatedly forced to pull photos when Nazi tattoos and logos were visible in the photo.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 23, 2022 02:08 PM (eoQWY)

FFS, there are at least as many Russian Nazis as Ukr. ones. In that part of the world, Nazis are a dime a f'n dozen.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at September 23, 2022 02:11 PM (Bjy0Z)

458 As far as Russian "territorial integrity" goes, he might be including the Donbas and Luhansk in that statement, and he might also be including Crimea. No one knows, I don't think.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 23, 2022 02:08 PM (CHEpZ)

He's including them. That's why they are having the votes on joining today.

It is a whole lot of death for something that could have been worked out diplomatically. Actually it was worked out but globohomo never stops.

Posted by: WiNO - Amish Vampires in Space at September 23, 2022 02:12 PM (EpDzw)

459 We're back to DOW down 700+ again. This is an all day sucker.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 02:13 PM (Hudry)

460 I don't hate Russia. In fact I think Putin was right in Syria, and I think he is right to be pissed off at NATO meddling in Ukraine. So no "Russia hate filter" here.

As far as Russian "territorial integrity" goes, he might be including the Donbas and Luhansk in that statement, and he might also be including Crimea. No one knows, I don't think.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 23, 2022 02:08 PM (CHEpZ)

Its all word games and narratives, dude. All of it.

Until a cruise missile slams into your mom's apartment building. That changes things.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at September 23, 2022 02:13 PM (Bjy0Z)

461 What the f is this globohomo stuff?

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at September 23, 2022 02:14 PM (Bjy0Z)

462 The British didn't do all that well in Crimea. I've been there. I would advise the US to avoid that briar patch.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 02:14 PM (Hudry)

463 444 Posted by: Nipsy Ruskel at September 23, 2022 02:07 PM

row, nipsy russel
row around the world...

Posted by: forgotten bangles classics at September 23, 2022 02:14 PM (v3pYe)

464 Anyone who thinks that what Russia says it wants at the beginning of negotiations are, in fact, its basic goals....I have swampland in Florida to sell you.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at September 23, 2022 02:09 PM (Bjy0Z)

Well if the West had actually negotiated we might have found out. But we didn't even though Germany and France had signed on to ensure that Ukraine followed the terms of the previous peace treaty, which they did not. And the west just nodded.

The main effect is that to everyone in the world outside of the West, most are starting to side with Russia's view of the situation and are not going to distance themselves from Russia over this escalation. This was worked out with India, China, and others in Samarkand recently.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 23, 2022 02:14 PM (eoQWY)

465 Russia would have taken them whether or not Ukes agreed. They belonged to Moscow and they would have reabsorbed Ukraine to keep them.
Posted by: CN

Not a word of truth to this. The USSR was breaking up, and didn't even take all of its surface assets, which could have moved. The agreement was part of a larger plan to secure Soviet nuclear weapons materiel.

"They belonged to Russia"!?! What fresh Hell is this?

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 23, 2022 02:15 PM (JTRqZ)

466 It is a whole lot of death for something that could have been worked out diplomatically. Actually it was worked out but globohomo never stops.
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GloboHomo is the CIA, DoD, and DoS.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 02:15 PM (Hudry)

467
more importantly, if the referendum succeeds putin can declare that donbas and luhansk are INSIDE RUSSIA and he can therefore send his new recruits there.

Posted by: kulak anachronda at September 23, 2022 02:11 PM (v3pYe)

Yeah, but no-one is going to buy the referendum any more than they did the Syrian elections. It''s window dressing for domestic consumption. Kinda like CNN.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at September 23, 2022 02:16 PM (Bjy0Z)

468 As far as Russian "territorial integrity" goes, he might be including the Donbas and Luhansk in that statement, and he might also be including Crimea. No one knows, I don't think.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at September 23, 2022 02:08 PM (CHEpZ)

Russia's view is that Crimea is Russian turf now. Full stop.

Donbas, Luhansk and the other two districts will be considered part of Russia if the plebiscite passes, which it likely will even without any thumbs on the scale. He has already been issuing passports to people in that area to give them dual citizenship for some time now.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 23, 2022 02:17 PM (eoQWY)

469 Essentially, we are living inside of a false vacuum that is going to pop and wink the observable Universe out of existence.

Well, I guess that beats the heat death of the universe in that it's quicker and probably a whole lot less painful.

Posted by: Thomas Bender
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Not quite but a massive global reset is likely where financialization of the economy collapses due to inflation. Figure something like the stagnation of Greece, Japan, Argentina, etc. where everything keeps getting costlier resulting in a generalized lower standard of living.

People working in service industries are likely to get hit the most.

Posted by: whig at September 23, 2022 02:17 PM (CXr4y)

470
Well if the West had actually negotiated we might have found out. But we didn't even though Germany and France had signed on to ensure that Ukraine followed the terms of the previous peace treaty, which they did not. And the west just nodded
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Yep. No one in Europe wants to fight a war. They've made that clear. NATOstan as controlled by us are who is pushing this. Biden is a puppet. Manhattan is still pissed Putin threw them out of Russia after Yeltsin.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 02:17 PM (Hudry)

471 I don't know the territory, so maybe somebody who does can give me info. I seem to remember that at the start of this shit storm, there was a lot being said about Ukraine's roads being pretty unusable because the spring thaw had turned them into nothing more than mud sinkholes. Right now, we have hit the end of fall and we will be going into winter. Does Ukraine have the godawful winters Russia has, the winters that stopped both Napoleon and Hitler? If so, Russia can call up the entire country for all the good it will do. By the time the Ukrainian roads are passable again, the Ukes will have been able to redouble their defences.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at September 23, 2022 02:18 PM (9SjWf)

472 Yeah, but no-one is going to buy the referendum any more than they did the Syrian elections. It''s window dressing for domestic consumption. Kinda like CNN.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at September 23, 2022 02:16 PM (Bjy0Z)

Diplomacy is all about filling out the forms no matter the real story. Kinda like the 2020 elections here, or any urban election since 1875.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 23, 2022 02:18 PM (eoQWY)

473 @439 That overthrow resulted in several eastern, Russian ethnic areas wanting out of Ukraine. Meanwhile, Russia retook Crimea, which has been a part of Russia for centuries. Ukraine spent the last 6-7 years bombing and terrorizing the Russian ethnic areas. Then Ukraine made noises about joining NATO. That was it for Russia and they launched a limited war to secure the eastern areas, create a viable corridor to Crimea, and force Ukraine to give up on NATO. The US and EU then escalated the conflict with massive amounts of weapons and sanctions. There is that better?

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And the separatists *totally* did not try to do any stupid, provocative things like shoot down an airliner, blame it on a Ukrainian fighter jet (that couldn't fly at the height they claimed that it did; but the Russian version of that fighter jet can), and then try and smuggle the SAM system used out of the region without anyone noticing.

The separatists hardly have the clean hands that you imply. There are *very* good reasons to be skeptical about the separatists.

Posted by: junior at September 23, 2022 02:19 PM (PTw5h)

474 As far as Russian "territorial integrity" goes, he might be including the Donbas and Luhansk in that statement, and he might also be including Crimea. No one knows, I don't think.
Posted by: Huck Follywood

If the referendums in the donbas and Kherson/Zap regions go the way everyone suspects they will, then yes, they are part of what Russia considers its territory. From all I've seen from all sources on the ground, absolutely going to happen. Ukraine announcing anyone who votes in referendum gets 5-12 years in prison for participating kinda puts the cherry on top

Posted by: Skeptical Schnauzer at September 23, 2022 02:20 PM (h+7ej)

475 Does Ukraine have the godawful winters Russia has, the winters that stopped both Napoleon and Hitler? If so, Russia can call up the entire country for all the good it will do. By the time the Ukrainian roads are passable again, the Ukes will have been able to redouble their defences.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at September 23, 2022 02:18 PM (9SjWf)

Winters in Ukraine aren't as bad as deeper in Russia, no, and of course the Russians and Germans fought in all the zones in WWII 365 days a year in these territories. Winter can actually help if it freezes over minor streams and such.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 23, 2022 02:21 PM (eoQWY)

476
Well if the West had actually negotiated we might have found out. But we didn't even though Germany and France had signed on to ensure that Ukraine followed the terms of the previous peace treaty, which they did not. And the west just nodded.

The main effect is that to everyone in the world outside of the West, most are starting to side with Russia's view of the situation and are not going to distance themselves from Russia over this escalation. This was worked out with India, China, and others in Samarkand recently.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 23, 2022 02:14 PM (eoQWY)

If..if..if...what did not happen did not happen. We cannot know what WOULD have happened if somehow otherwise.

But good glory, Russia is an old fashioned expansionist imperialist racist power. This isn't remotely debateable. They lie, they know they lie, we know they know they lie.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at September 23, 2022 02:21 PM (Bjy0Z)

477 Why is China threatening Taiwan? Why are the tariffs on China still around?
Trump/Germany was 2018. China looked at the Go board and conspired to remove the guy who understood China's interests.
China will fuck with their economy just to spite us..Will we ban pork and soy protein sales to China? Prevent Brazil from doing so? Where will we get our steel from?
China flipped and gave us Covid.

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at September 23, 2022 02:22 PM (b+v9B)

478 Nukes maybe.
Chemicals first.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 23, 2022 02:23 PM (anj39)

479 Diplomacy is all about filling out the forms no matter the real story. Kinda like the 2020 elections here, or any urban election since 1875.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 23, 2022 02:18 PM (eoQWY)

Nope. Diplomacy is all about having to look the other guy in the eye when you make a deal. That's it. It's fine to say "F-ck you, I'd sooner die." You just have to have a good position, and good friends.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at September 23, 2022 02:24 PM (Bjy0Z)

480 Cold? It's Russia's fault.

Join the Army, kill a Russian.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 23, 2022 02:24 PM (8IhvM)

481 China flipped and gave us Covid.
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Umm, they released Fauci's Covid and dispersed it worldwide because Deep State wanted them to. China and Deep State are joined at the hip.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 02:25 PM (Hudry)

482
The separatists hardly have the clean hands that you imply. There are *very* good reasons to be skeptical about the separatists.
Posted by: junior

It was a Buk antiair missile that shot down that plane. Seeing as Ukraine was bombing their own citizens and flying combat sorties, and that Ukraine also operates buks, in much larger quantities than russia I might add, its not as clear as one might think who is at fault.

Posted by: Skeptical Schnauzer at September 23, 2022 02:25 PM (h+7ej)

483 6 months ago Trump proclaimed Putin "genius" for invading Ukraine
Biden disagreed

Posted by: Paul at September 23, 2022 02:25 PM (9f7IQ)

484 "But Ukraine's luck on that score just ran out -- Russia now is mobilizing for a genuine, serious military exercise."

Hahahahaha no. This is a several 100k cannon fodder, most of whom will have 2 weeks of training. There is nothing "serious" about this. Russia has lost a majority of their fixed wing strike aircraft, more than half their running modern tanks, and is now rolling vehicles and tubes as old as early 50s. The bulk of their MBTs shipping into theater are T62s accompanied by 50 year old IFVs and they're short even on those.

They are out of their fucking minds and in over their heads; it's "fetal alcohol syndrome goes to war".

Posted by: somedood at September 23, 2022 02:25 PM (HMWox)

485 GloboHomo is the CIA, DoD, and DoS.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 02:15 PM (Hudry)

Yeah, why "Homo"? What's that mean?

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at September 23, 2022 02:26 PM (Bjy0Z)

486 But good glory, Russia is an old fashioned expansionist imperialist racist power. This isn't remotely debateable. They lie, they know they lie, we know they know they lie.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at September 23, 2022 02:21 PM (Bjy0Z)

Go back to drinking and dreaming of the Cold War. You don't even know the term globohomo.

Posted by: WiNO - Amish Vampires in Space at September 23, 2022 02:26 PM (EpDzw)

487 478 Nukes maybe.
Chemicals first.
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Given DTRAs/CTRs investments in Bio Labs surrounding Russia and China I would assume if this escalates that you will see some really nasty Bio Bombs being released.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 02:27 PM (Hudry)

488 So much wrongness here.

Putin is not "threatening nuclear war" ... he explictly stated he was responding to voices in the west that have said that Ukraine/NATO should use nukes. Go read his actual statement, not the MSM accounts of it.

And the idea that Putin has to worry about mobilization undermining his popular support is laughable. He's mobilizing precisely because his populace is demanding the war be won. The only major opposing voices he faces are those that are *more* hawkish.

Always amazes me how those who know how to disbelieve the MSM/Deep State nexus on domestic issues will swallow their stories whole when it comes to foreign affairs.

Turn off the TV, spend some time exploring the non-corporate media -- there are plenty of channels on YouTube alone; perhaps start with The Duran -- and the idea that Russia is losing this conflict looks pretty dubious.

Posted by: eddie at September 23, 2022 02:27 PM (zb4sd)

489 Yeah, why "Homo"? What's that mean?
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Homo in Latin is Man.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 02:27 PM (Hudry)

490 It was a Buk antiair missile that shot down that plane. Seeing as Ukraine was bombing their own citizens and flying combat sorties, and that Ukraine also operates buks, in much larger quantities than russia I might add, its not as clear as one might think who is at fault.
Posted by: Skeptical Schnauzer at September 23, 2022 02:25 PM (h+7ej)

CNN, DoD, and CIA said the separatists did it. That settles it.

Posted by: WiNO - Amish Vampires in Space at September 23, 2022 02:28 PM (EpDzw)

491 Re: ethno-separatism: Case in point: Chechnya has "exempted itself" from the draft.

Posted by: Patrick74 at September 23, 2022 02:28 PM (DhoD2)

492
Hahahahaha no. This is a several 100k cannon fodder, most of whom will have 2 weeks of training. There is nothing "serious" about this. Russia has lost a majority of their fixed wing strike aircraft, more than half their running modern tanks, and is now rolling vehicles and tubes as old as early 50s. The bulk of their MBTs shipping into theater are T62s accompanied by 50 year old IFVs and they're short even on those.

They are out of their fucking minds and in over their heads; it's "fetal alcohol syndrome goes to war".

Posted by: somedood at September 23, 2022 02:25 PM (HMWox)

Yeah, the whole "Russia Stronk! Look at trainloads of T-62's!" thing doesn't go over so well....

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at September 23, 2022 02:28 PM (Bjy0Z)

493 Biden's plan is to deplete the rest of the world of its natural resources, then we will have it all.
Masters of the Planet.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 23, 2022 02:28 PM (8IhvM)

494 483 6 months ago Trump proclaimed Putin "genius" for invading Ukraine
Biden disagreed
Posted by: Paul at September 23, 2022 02:25 PM (9f7IQ)

Get off mommy's computer and pick up your Legos like you were told.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at September 23, 2022 02:29 PM (BdMk6)

495 489 Yeah, why "Homo"? What's that mean?
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Homo in Latin is Man.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 02:27 PM (Hudry)

So you're having a hard time saying "Itz the Global Conspiracy of Teh GAYZ!!!" ?

Seriously?

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at September 23, 2022 02:30 PM (Bjy0Z)

496 Turn off the TV, spend some time exploring the non-corporate media -- there are plenty of channels on YouTube alone; perhaps start with The Duran -- and the idea that Russia is losing this conflict looks pretty dubious.

Posted by: eddie

The Duran is an absolutely incredible source for reliable info on the war. My first stop always

Posted by: Skeptical Schnauzer at September 23, 2022 02:31 PM (h+7ej)

497
Go back to drinking and dreaming of the Cold War. You don't even know the term globohomo.

Posted by: WiNO - Amish Vampires in Space at September 23, 2022 02:26 PM (EpDzw)

No, I just wanted to see if you had the balls to spell it out.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at September 23, 2022 02:32 PM (Bjy0Z)

498 So you're having a hard time saying "Itz the Global Conspiracy of Teh GAYZ!!!" ?

Seriously?
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Check out Nietzsche's only readable book called Ecce Homo. GloboHomo is spoofing Nietzsche and all the Nihilists that comprise GloboHomo.

Posted by: Puddinhead at September 23, 2022 02:33 PM (Hudry)

499 All of DC is covered with blood for their funding of Covid in China. What would DS do? Confess and start a war with China? No, they would double down and destroy what they could.
China flipped and gave us Covid knowing there was not a damned thing corrupt craven stupid woke DC could do about it.

Posted by: Jamaica NYC at September 23, 2022 02:35 PM (b+v9B)

500 CNN, DoD, and CIA said the separatists did it. That settles it.
Posted by: WiNO - Amish Vampires in Space

That settles that then!! Those folks would never try to make shit up about stuff!!

Posted by: Skeptical Schnauzer at September 23, 2022 02:35 PM (h+7ej)

501 -----------------
Check out Nietzsche's only readable book called Ecce Homo. GloboHomo is spoofing Nietzsche and all the Nihilists that comprise GloboHomo.
Posted by: Puddinhead
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95% of the erf misread you meaning.

Posted by: Braenyard, _ want nuremberg trials? badger your congressman at September 23, 2022 02:35 PM (8IhvM)

502 I heard on a podcast several years ago a guest that opined that the next big war Russia got into would be their the last, so they would be selective on why and would have a win-at-all-costs attitude.
His reasoning was that ethnic Russians weren't reproducing in replacement numbers while the other ethnicities were maintaining or growing and the Russia government was still racist enough toward them that they won't stay loyal past a certain point in census numbers. This assumed breakup into smaller countries would probably be many decades in the future, though.
The problem is that loss of large numbers of military aged men, because they are also the breeding aged men, would accelerate the problem.
I know that several someones have proposed that trying to get more Russians in Russia might be why Putin invaded the Russian speaking parts of Georgia and Ukraine.
Now this "military exercise" is on the Russian's initiative and could mostly stop when they want to before they suffer those types of losses, but the political ramifications of losing a war the leadership started after gaslighting their people HARD in the months prior might also accelerate their future "national divorce."

Posted by: Lumpy at September 23, 2022 02:38 PM (yX7iI)

503 68 31. Russia would have taken them whether or not Ukes agreed. They belonged to Moscow and they would have reabsorbed Ukraine to keep them.

Posted by: CN at September 23, 2022 01:11 PM (Zzbjj)
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I agree with this. Russia would not have been happy with someone else's nukes in their immediate neighborhood. Imagine a pre-Biden USA with Mexico acquiring nukes.

Posted by: Ciampino at September 23, 2022 02:42 PM (qfLjt)

504 I've read Ecce Homo. Studied it in fact.

Has more to do with the collapse of the Enlightenment and the struggle of the individual from out of it its rubble than anything else. Has dick all to do with the CIA or DOS. Nietzche had no firm idea of economics or sociology: he was a proto-psychologist /sociologist, but he was working towards sociology from an experientialist position.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at September 23, 2022 02:43 PM (Bjy0Z)

505 DW is a German public broadcast service
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSdafuXXCHs

Reports the 300,000 and the 1,000,000 number

Posted by: SMOD at September 23, 2022 02:46 PM (RHGPo)

506 Demographics say that this is the last big war for Russia for decades to come.
The populations of most of the more developed countries are shrinking ..
this means Russia, China and the US

Posted by: SMOD at September 23, 2022 02:50 PM (RHGPo)

507 I'm extremely skeptical that the next 300000 draftees are going to do Putin any good.

The original Russian invasion force was likely better trained & equipped than these poor bastids will be.

Also, disproportionately drafting ethnic minorities from the boonies seems almost DESIGNED to assemble the least motivated army imaginable.

The UKR armed forces are highly motivated. How motivated are conscripts from Kazakhstan likely to be, by comparison?

Posted by: mnw at September 23, 2022 02:54 PM (NLIak)

508 Re: ethno-separatism: Case in point: Chechnya has "exempted itself" from the draft.
Posted by: Patrick74 at September 23, 2022 02:28 PM (DhoD2)

I saw something that Chechnya already have 250 percent of their quota in volunteers already. And Chechnyan troops have been doing a lot of the heavy lifting in taking towns and cities in the war already, paired with Russian arty and air support.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 23, 2022 02:57 PM (eoQWY)

509 The UKR armed forces are highly motivated. How motivated are conscripts from Kazakhstan likely to be, by comparison?
Posted by: mnw at September 23, 2022 02:54 PM (NLIak)

The draftees are to replace regular army troops in rear area functions. These regular troops will go to the front, since Russia has not sent its entire army into Ukraine. They had already raised some volunteer forces in the spring which have been training since then, and might well be coming online soon.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 23, 2022 02:59 PM (eoQWY)

510 Nuke em Lizbeth!

Posted by: Roland THTG at September 23, 2022 03:04 PM (j40lz)

511 Not sure you watched that entire Tucker Carson piece, especially Tucker’s interview with a very in the loop retired US Military Officer after his monologue.

Not sure what you watched; but your blog post here seems a little heavy with Western propaganda.

Next blog post is going to be on how the West is making terrific progress on transitioning from fissile fuels to wind and solar power.

When you blowing smoke up the you know what of your readers, you need to be called out.

Relatedly, begin reporting on the increases in electricity prices occurring not just in the EU and the UK, but in the USA. For example, in NH for one.

It’s not coincidental.

Posted by: Just a dummy at September 23, 2022 03:39 PM (U2W4Y)

512 “Officials said rising global energy costs are driving electric supply prices in New Hampshire to all-time highs.”

https://tinyurl.com/2tvdhfp5

This is directly related to Western economic sanctions against Russia.

Oh, and want to know where electricity supply prices are not reaching all time highs? One guess and here’s a hint; Putin knows the answer.

Not sure why you’re swallowed the Western propaganda that Russia is “failing” in Ukraine.

Russia is fighting to win in the portions of Ukraine it wants to annex, not all of Ukraine. Russia is also attempting to shatter the EU and shatter the NATO alliance.

Besides that, if you think that Russian and China developing a very close economic and military alliance as they are as a result of the present USA Junta’s response to the Ukrainian invasion is a positive development for the USA, your history knowledge is on the level of an illiterate; at best.

Posted by: Just a dummy at September 23, 2022 03:50 PM (U2W4Y)

513 511 Posted by: Just a dummy at September 23, 2022 03:39 PM (U2W4Y)

Yes if there is one thing we are known here for it is our blind devotion to Gangrene Energy and Build Back Brandon

Posted by: sven at September 23, 2022 03:58 PM (Lzpvj)

514 Your first mistake, Ace, is according validity to the Guardian. The other mistakes all flow from that one so I won't waste my time.

Posted by: Lawrence L at September 23, 2022 04:06 PM (FAuXd)

515 Hunh. So nobody who thinks its all "Globohomo" it is gonna come out and say it: "TehGAYZ are pushing us inti NUCLEAR WAR!"

Not surprising. It's retarded on the face of it. Caveat emptor.

My dudes, this coded sh*t never worked. Everyone just looked at it and said "My, what a bunch of lunatics. Just...talk about something else." But that was a more polite less jaded age. Got no time for that. Our opponents have no time for that. You need to figure out the private sh*t that you have to work out for yourselves from the real budgetary sh*t of public policy and full personal disclosure.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at September 23, 2022 04:07 PM (Bjy0Z)

516 Some reading for Guardian bozos:

https://tinyurl.com/2rky8c88

https://tinyurl.com/3b5w47zx

Posted by: Lawrence L at September 23, 2022 04:15 PM (FAuXd)

517 515 Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at September 23, 2022 04:07 PM (Bjy0Z)

Yes it is absolutely unbelievable that there is an open-air conspiracy by glee gang enabling globalist fuckwits to attack and undermine nationalism in the remaining great powers likely at the behest of the ChiComs....

Just like the notion that NIH funded the research and release of CUOMO19 is a "bridge too far."

At the end of the day my mind is not warped enough to keep up with their bullshit.

Posted by: sven at September 23, 2022 04:21 PM (Lzpvj)

518 517 515 Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at September 23, 2022 04:07 PM (Bjy0Z)

Yes it is absolutely unbelievable that there is an open-air conspiracy by glee gang enabling globalist fuckwits to attack and undermine nationalism in the remaining great powers likely at the behest of the ChiComs....

I'm with you as far as globalist f*ckwits have screwed us, and even as far as cultural degenerates have screwed us, but once you start going with the global homosexual agenda, f*ck that noise, seen enough of what that does. Gays are on all sides of this, but I do recall they were forced into the ovens with my parents generation. F*ck that sh*t and everyone behind it. I'll see them in hell.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at September 23, 2022 04:37 PM (Bjy0Z)

519 There's no failing Russian position. It isn't as if US media lied about Afghanistan progress for the past 20 years, right?

Posted by: OverbitesAreFunny at September 23, 2022 04:40 PM (VA4ow)

520 519 There's no failing Russian position. It isn't as if US media lied about Afghanistan progress for the past 20 years, right?

Posted by: OverbitesAreFunny at September 23, 2022 04:40 PM (VA4ow)

The failing Russian position would be "We are saving them from the degenerate West!"

Russia has a higher abortion rate and divorce rate than anything in Europe. Ethnic Russian birth rates are in free fall. Russia is a decaying, racist colonialist empire that makes 1910 England look like a playground. The USA, even in the grips of a degenerate and sclerotic classism is literaly 10 to 100 fold better, in terms of what it can offer any kid born into it, than that shit.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at September 23, 2022 04:59 PM (Bjy0Z)

521 Russia has a higher abortion rate and divorce rate than anything in Europe. Ethnic Russian birth rates are in free fall. Russia is a decaying, racist colonialist empire that makes 1910 England look like a playground. The USA, even in the grips of a degenerate and sclerotic classism is literaly 10 to 100 fold better, in terms of what it can offer any kid born into it, than that shit.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at September 23, 2022 04:59 PM (Bjy0Z)

Except you're an alcoholic shut-in jacking off at the prospect of an escalating war for your foxnews viewing enjoyment.

Posted by: Nipsy Ruskel at September 23, 2022 05:17 PM (uKlH5)

522 We know the deep state elites in Washington lie to us about everything, they lied us into every war we've fought in the last 40, 50 years, yet we still swallow whatever they tell us about Russia and the war in Ukraine. Putin Bad, Ukraine Good. Yup ok makes perfect sense. Even though Ukraine is run by neo Nazis who worship Stepan Bandera and murder their political opponents, let's pretend they're a democracy. Let's pay think tanks like RAND to make plans to weaken and destroy Russia, then publicize the results. Let's overthrow their democratically elected government, and set loose the neo Nazi militias to bomb, rape and murder ethnic Russians in Donbass who protested the coup, and keep that up for eight years. Let's keep backing Russia into a corner, by expanding NATO right up to their borders, until there's no other option but war, and then let's give the Kiev Coke Head money and weapons to fight that war to the last Ukrainian, while sapping our own stockpile and driving up inflation. And whatever Washington tells us about the SMO, Russian troop morale, running out of weapons and ammunition, sham referendums, or fake mobilization let's just lap all that up like good little drones.

Posted by: Kimo Loka at September 23, 2022 05:26 PM (ZO1EW)

523
Except you're an alcoholic shut-in jacking off at the prospect of an escalating war for your foxnews viewing enjoyment.

Posted by: Nipsy Ruskel at September 23, 2022 05:17 PM (uKlH5)

Nah. That's just you not being able to deal with what is actually happening.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at September 23, 2022 05:45 PM (Bjy0Z)

524 Ok, time for some sanity here....
It is distressing to me how many right-of-center people in America are still interpreting the Ukraine war through the lens of the same media, political, and NatSec-Blob sources that they would never, ever trust to tell the truth on any other topic. (And also through the lens of claims by the Ukrainian government itself, even though it has lied through its teeth about nearly everything from the very start of war and has been caught doing so innumerable times... yet somehow it is still treated credulously, even by otherwise highly intelligent people, whenever it trots out a new fantasy.)

The problem being, these false narratives encourage us to continue on a dangerous and potentially disastrous policy of waging a proxy-war against a nuclear power. And anyone trying to inject sanity or reality into this discussion is instantly smeared as "pro-Putin!!11!", no other possible motivation allowed. This is, of course, very reminiscent of the COVID hysteria of 2020, when reality and sanity were similarly buried under endless Narrative and anyone objecting was smeared as "you want people to die!!11!"

Posted by: Robert Hobart at September 23, 2022 05:47 PM (IY1F+)

525 The latest example of all this madness is the weird delusions circling around the aftermath of Ukraine's counteroffensives and Putin's subsequent actions -- a call-up of 300,000 reservists and the joining-Russia referendums currently happening in the four breakaway regions of Ukraine.

People are being told that the Ukrainian advance on the Kharkov front was some sort of cinematic-style underdog victory that turned the whole tide of the war, and that Putin's actions are the marks of desperation, calling up hordes of untrained draftees as cannon-fodder.

None of this is true.

Posted by: Robert Hobart at September 23, 2022 05:47 PM (IY1F+)

526 Reality is this: The Russians have fought at even strength or more often outnumbered from the very beginning of this conflict, due to Russian laws that prohibit conscripts from fighting outside the national borders except in time of a Duma-declared war. Thus, the Russian campaign in Ukraine has been entirely handled by LNR/DPR volunteer militias and the "contractor" volunteer soldiers such as Wagner and the Chechen legion. This has meant that those limited numbers of soldiers had to handle ALL of the military tasks in the campaign, including logistics and rear-area security, and relied on artillery/air superiority and attrition warfare to fight the Ukrainians.

Hence the Russians' willingness to withdraw from fronts they do not see as productive, and their slow methodical advances on fronts they do care about -- from the beginning they have lacked the masses of frontline infantry needed to do anything else. (This is also why the Ukrainian claims of inflicting huge losses on Russia have been laughable from the start.) Hence also the huge reserve formations that are held just outside of Ukraine -- by Russian law they aren't allowed to cross the border.

Posted by: Robert Hobart at September 23, 2022 05:48 PM (IY1F+)

527 And thus we get the Ukrainian counteroffensive's results. Their attacks on the Khersen front went in against well-manned positions and were (and continue to be) a blood-soaked fiasco. The Kharkov front was held by only a skeleton line of DNR militia, so the Ukrainians were able to advance by flooding it with superior numbers -- albeit at a gruesome cost from Russian artillery and airpower.

(The Ukrainians, BTW, are the side which DOES have a mass-conscript army of immense size -- they have gone through at least six waves of conscription since the war started.)

Posted by: Robert Hobart at September 23, 2022 05:48 PM (IY1F+)

528 The referendums in the breakaway Ukrainian republics will legally make them part of Russia, thus allowing Russia's reservist and conscript forces to take over all the support tasks while the volunteers move entirely to the front line. This may also be accompanied by an upgrading from a "Special Military Operation" to a "Counter-Terrorism Operation" which, again, changes the legal constraints on the conflict and allows the Russians to operate with fewer limitations. The call-up of 300,000 reservists (about 15% of their trained reserve) is preparation for this, so the troops are ready as soon as the legal framework is in place.

And yes, weird as it may seem to us, these legal frameworks DO matter in modern Russia. Putin is not at all a nice guy and by our standards is technically a "dictator" of sorts, but he is not a Hitler/Stalin totalitarian ruler who can do whatever he wishes. He operates within an elaborate framework of technical legality and legislative support, and his actions and policies are constrained by the political parties in the Duma and by public opinion.

Posted by: Robert Hobart at September 23, 2022 05:49 PM (IY1F+)

529 Incidentally, notwithstanding a few protests in Moscow that get hyped-up by Western media, Russian public opinion from the start has supported the "Special Military Operation" (even as they often laugh at that legalistic term) and indeed has now tilted heavily in favor of fighting the war more aggressively and with less constraint, which is part of why Putin is now able to escalate. The strongest domestic political opposition to Putin comes from those who want MORE confrontation with the West, not less.

So what does all this mean? It means the war is going to look very different in two or three months, and not in ways that are good for the Zelenskyy regime and its backers in our own corrupt elite. And unlike with COVID, it won't be possible to hide that reality. The question then becomes: How far will our elites escalate rather than give up their goals?

Posted by: Robert Hobart at September 23, 2022 05:49 PM (IY1F+)

530 Kimo Loka at September 23, 2022 05:26 PM (ZO1EW)

Dude, people who get excited about Bandera haven't been paying attention to the Kremlin. Authoritarian, genocidal nationalists are all over the place in Eastern Europe. You can't avoid that history; it's all awful genocidal crap.

You just have to pick which shitshow is worse. It isn't hard.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at September 23, 2022 05:51 PM (Bjy0Z)

531 Transl. for Robert Hobart:
Ukr just pwned Rus in Donabas but Putin's dick taste SOooooooogood...

Nope.The referendums only matter if everybody says they do, and that's a joke.

The Kharkov offensive worked, and Ukr. currently continues to gain ground at a faster rate than anything Rus. managed in June-Aug. 2022. Its war, so anything can happen, but the fact is that a very minimum of NATO tech has lead to a Rus. disaster. Ru. conscription is a desperation move: might work. Prob won't. NATO counterescalation will probably contain and may completely reverse.

Bottom line; if NATO puts anything more into this conflict, Ru is probably hosed. Tech matters. YMMV

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Posted by: Sarah Elizabeth at September 23, 2022 06:16 PM (STTOv)

533 Little will change. Putin can't train them as the training units were sent to Ukraine and have been slaughtered. He can't give them much in the way of heavy equipment as most of that has already been destroyed in Ukraine, and the overwhelming majority of what is in storage is junk. All that leaves him with is a lot of light infantry which is not a survivable thing on the modern battlefield.

It is not likely he will get much more than 30K troops to use as cannon fodder.

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535 533 Little will change. Putin can't train them as the training units were sent to Ukraine and have been slaughtered. He can't give them much in the way of heavy equipment as most of that has already been destroyed in Ukraine, and the overwhelming majority of what is in storage is junk. All that leaves him with is a lot of light infantry which is not a survivable thing on the modern battlefield.

It is not likely he will get much more than 30K troops to use as cannon fodder.

Posted by: Quartermaster at September 23, 2022 06:27 PM (J0tKB)

I suspect this is true. The best outcome is that Ru will free up rear echelon for frontline duty. But they seem to be hauling out old armour (T-62...? srsly?) for combat. Does not look good for them...

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at September 23, 2022 06:33 PM (Bjy0Z)

536 Russia will quite when the casualties > 500k. Right now they are at 100K killed and wounded. Even if the quite today, they'll probably have another 50k casualties.

Ukraine has about 1 million mention at arms at the moment.

4-5 more operations as big as the one that pushed Russia out of Kharkiv will end the war. With each push Russia gets weaker. Right now, it will take Russia 5 years at least to replace all the military hardware they have already lost.

When this war is over, Ukraine, Poland, Turkey will be more powerful than Russia.

Posted by: Inspector kemp at September 23, 2022 06:46 PM (+DS2f)

537 Putin didn't threaten to use nukes--he promised to defend Russia from NATO's use of nukes. Putin is much more stable than our dictators. And NOTHING in the Western Press is anything but Regime Propaganda.

Our War Pigs stopped Zelensky from making peace because they want to enslave Russians with a Globalist Puppet like Biden or Zelensky.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at September 23, 2022 08:20 PM (Ndje9)

538 Hey Ace, instead of exclusively chugging the Western Kool-Aid, why not take a sip of Russian Kool-Aid.

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Yup. $1.43 A MONTH. But hey, let’s look for the Russian Government to collapse instead of the American Junta imposing the climate change religion, shutting down the fossil fuel industry, and telling all the serfs to buy electric vehicles.

A smart “Military Blog”? ROTFLMAO

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Posted by: Angel Logan at September 24, 2022 01:57 AM (Y+wI0)

541 32 I'm not sure how Russia could be "losing" a war in which they already hold and control portions of Ukraine that they didn't have before the war. If you get in a dispute with someone over who can live in your house, and then you find that the guy has moved into a bedroom and taken over a living room, I'm pretty sure that guy has "won" the dispute.
Posted by: Elric Blade at September 23, 2022 01:07 PM (iFTx/)

What are you confused about? Germany started losing WW2 long before the russians entered German territory.

Then again most Americans are still confused about why you lost the War of 1812 so I'm not surprised concepts like momentum are alien to you.

Posted by: Johnny at September 24, 2022 12:59 PM (L0Eao)

542 "Last night, Tucker reported that the Ukraine and Russia had reached a tentative agreement that Russia would pull back to the territory it already held, if Ukraine would agree to not join NATO."

It's bullshit, Putin cared about Ukraine joining Nato because he wanted to invade it. Makes absolutely no sense for Ukraine to accept this deal (other than that they've been very naive about Russia until Russia's february invasion) so if America scuttled it they did the right thing.

No reason to take the russians' word at anything at this point, they've lied and broken agreements so often nothing they say matters. The only thing they understand is violence and only agreements backed by Nato membership have any teeth.

But I guess that's how it is these days, "own the cons"/"own the libs" uber alles.

Posted by: Johnny at September 24, 2022 01:04 PM (L0Eao)

543 Barring a nuclear war, there could be a big upside politically.

The fact that Europe will spend the winter huddling to keep warm, and that sadly some third world countries will suffer starvation will be a wake up call that will be remembered by generations for a long time.

As traumatic as 9/11 was, real hardship fell upon 2000 victims and their immediate family. It's one one of the reasons 9/11 doesn't have the resonance of Pearl Harbor (that and the fact that and large minority of the country are stuck in navel gazing adolescence, are ahistoric, and have their heads up their bungholes).

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