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Gardening, Puttering and Adventure Thread, September 10

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Hi, everyone! Looks like our heat wave may break -- maybe next week! How is your weather treating you and your garden! Fires? Floods?

We have some harvesting going on, I see!

The photo above is lovely. It is from Hrothgar:

There are many hostas here, but THIS one is MINE!

He sent in another one, too:

Uncooperative butterfly!

He would not let me get a picture of his top, eventually he got tired of maneuvering and flew off

Take care, be well, and always endeavor to persevere!

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Edible Gardening/Putting Things By

Well, since we reported on the fair ribbons by By-Tor and the ribbons and cash picked up by The Famous Pat*, By-Tor also got a check for some of his prizes at the fair. Maybe more members of The Horde should submit their garden produce and home canned items!

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A tip from MarkY:

My wife paid up for this, but she now doesn't have to pick 40# of sloshing water off the stove to empty, plus it does keep the kitchen cooler.

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From Black JEM:

Katy,

Thought I would update you - from starting seeds to transplanting plants and finally harvesting and canning. Right now while it is still 80's during the day, it is getting a bit cooler at night, you can start to feel fall coming.

These pictures are from mid august - and the tomatoes were really starting to come in hard. In northcentral Indiana we had a really dry July and then a cooler and wetter August. I have canned about 20 pints of whole San Marzano tomatoes and probably about three dozen pints of salsa - and I have more to do. Cucumbers were weird, my picklers died early, and my straight conventional ones had less seeds than normal so I have been pickling them. The basil was great - we have made over 50 small jars of pesto, one of the daughters is especially fond of it.

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Wow! Productive basil!

You can see the picklers in foreground, already failing, and the slicers on the left. Assorted squashes dominate the rest of the picture - the acorn squash is producing like crazy - I'm not sure of there is a way to save them longer. I'm sure I will be giving them away.

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I've had awesome habaneros and scotch bonnets. I've picked over a 100 - and made hot sauce for the first time this weekend. Pretty simple recipe, we will see how everyone likes it.

Sounds too hot for me! How about you?

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There is the tomato spread. You can see some of the vines are starting to finish producing, and by now more have. But I am still picking forty to fifty tomatoes every 3 days. Salsa and canned tomatoes are where most of it goes, but of course there are sliced tomatoes on the table almost every day.

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Raspberries and blackberries are still coming. I've got to get leaf lettuce and radish in this week, grass has overtaken the garden so more tilling will be necessary to make that all happen. Winding up the last few months of gardening - then there will be the planning for 2023.

What a great garden!

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Hey KT,
I was a melon-palooza in the garden today. Watermelon, Cantelope, and I think the other one is a Tiger melon. Also a harvest of various peppers. Hey, it is what appreciates the heat of an Arizona summer. Getting ready for the big planting that starts Sept. 15th. Putting in some Cayenne peppers, Thai Peppers, Kale (three kinds) a bunch of different lettuces, 3 kinds of beets, kohlrabi, and turnips. Also a fall crop of cilantro and dill and the i'toi onions need to be put in as well.. Been getting all the various beds ready with soil amendments. I am itching to get it all planted. I know the rest of the horde is winding down but we are just gearing up here.

In other exciting garden news, my dragon fruit cactus is flowering, here is one of the 12 flower buds it is sporting. I am very excited, because I have never gotten fruit from it before, it is maybe five years old and it started as a foot and a half piece and it now has many trunks and is over 7 feet tall. I am optimistic that with 12 buds I can hopefully get at least one fruit. I don't even know what color of fruit I will get, white, pink, scarlet, and I think there can be yellow. When I get a flower I will try to capture it for you.

Also I started two dwarf Moringa trees from seed this spring. Here is one of them. They are doing very well. Hopefully if I can get it through the winter, next year it will do even better.

Happy puttering!

WeeKreekFarmGirl

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I think we will have some cactus photos for later . . .

What's going on in YOUR garden?

Ah, Nature

FIRE remains a big deal in the West, with Oregon now feeling a lot of heat. I saw a comment in an earlier thread this morning that looked a little too close for comfort to me. Any experiences or tips on preparing your home, or preparing for evacuation?

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This old thread (don't comment) includes some interesting information from a on fire protection rigs to set up on swimming pools, among other topics, from an old article in the Orange County Register.

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Among other ideas, there is a fire retardant you can spray on your house, which can be refreshed by firefighters.

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Fair warning for sensitive folks:

Hi KT, I think the attached photo shows a pair of cicadas mating. As such, it might be too risque for the Gardening thread, but I thought I would pass it along anyway.

Thanks!

BeckoningChasm

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Hope everyone has a nice weekend.


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Week in Review

What has changed since last week's thread? Ace of Spades Gardening, Puttering and Adventure Thread, Labor Day Weekend


Any thoughts or questions?

I closed the comments on this post so you wouldn't get banned for commenting on a week-old post, but don't try it anyway.

Posted by: K.T. at 01:29 PM




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1 Good afternoon Greenthumbs

Posted by: Skip at September 10, 2022 01:31 PM (k8B25)

2 Lovely thread!

I've had a couple trays of seeds that have been sitting out all summer that never germinated. I pretty much wrote them off, and never got around to cleaning them up.

Now, the weather has started getting a little cooler in the evenings, and Hey Presto, I got germination. What the heck, little seeds. You're killing me.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 01:32 PM (6FeV1)

3 Made chile this week with home grown chile and Anaheim peppers, sadly no tomatoes and in fact not one ripe in many days

Posted by: Skip at September 10, 2022 01:34 PM (k8B25)

4 So I threw out some bok choi, some radishes, and a bunch of mixed cover crop seeds. Germination within 48 hours. Got some "New Zealand Spinach" (which isn't actually spinach, apparently) to try out too. Gonna get a little sneaky crop in before winter, it looks like. hooray!

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 01:34 PM (6FeV1)

5 Lovely gardens. I mowed yesterday. It is a patchy job because in some spots I was trying to leave most of the wildflowers and in other spots I just didn't take time to be thorough. None of it is lawn grass, I just try to mow the weeds and cheat grass once in a while.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at September 10, 2022 01:37 PM (3cGpq)

6 Was 70 here in S. IL at 6am, now 89 at 12:30pm.

Posted by: Ciampino at September 10, 2022 01:37 PM (qfLjt)

7 The thing I miss the most about living in a larger space is being able to grow things.

I don't have even a square foot outside for a pot and Lucy the Fink destroys anything growing inside.

So, I have to live vicariously through your gardens. And they are so lovely. Bravo, horde!

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 10, 2022 01:38 PM (U2p+3)

8 I was watching some stuff about dragonfruit, and apparently it helps to cull the buds down to only one or maybe two per stalk of the cactus. Any more than that, and the plant tries to spread out its energy too much, and none of them survive to full fruiting (fruition? fruitiness? whatever).

Never tried growing it though. Don't think they'd care for zone 6b.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 01:38 PM (6FeV1)

9 Our garden burned the hell up after 3 months without rain. But the bell peppers and asparagus are hanging on.
Great photos y'all.

Posted by: Rasmus at September 10, 2022 01:42 PM (4/nya)

10 Threw all my potted plants away except one. The lone survivor sits on the deck in back. Pulled up all the basil. Threw it away too. Just didn't feel like making pesto again. It's a lot of work. Didn't know anyone who wanted fresh basil. What a shame. Waiting for cooler weather to plant some mums.

Posted by: jewells45 at September 10, 2022 01:43 PM (nxdel)

11 Rained last night here, we sat out under the patio and watched it fall for a bit.
The plants really respond to a bit of water here, who knew!

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 10, 2022 01:44 PM (TYOrH)

12 We are getting a few days of fall weather here, started yesterday with a cool front that came in Thursday night and we got some light rain showers yesterday evening. I think its supposed to go back to 80s highs next week.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at September 10, 2022 01:47 PM (3cGpq)

13 So, I have to live vicariously through your gardens. And they are so lovely. Bravo, horde!
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 10, 2022 01:38 PM (U2p+3)

I think I almost have the opposite problem... too much outside, and not enough inside! There's a ton of stuff I'd like to try to overwinter or perennialize through our nasty frozen slushy crapfest of a winter, but there's no room to put anything inside. But i'll happily take growing for half a year over growing nothing at all.

Maybe there's some kind of decent allotment going in your area you could get in on? Or maybe you could find enough non-psychopaths nearby to go in on a scheme to start one? Bilk some filthy lucre out of the town council for start-up funds? "Green!" "Community!" "Sustainable!" *wretch*

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 01:47 PM (6FeV1)

14 retch? wretch? retch. Yeah. That one.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 01:49 PM (6FeV1)

15 I have had about 5 tomatoes so far, there are lots of green ones just going white.
I have 12 plants plus some volunteers.

I love the garden pictures, it is nearly impossible to get a tidy productive garden, and the disorder of things furiously growing makes me happy when I see it.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 10, 2022 01:50 PM (xhaym)

16 this is the last warm day in New England

80 today

all downhill from here

Posted by: REDACTED at September 10, 2022 01:51 PM (us2H3)

17 great butterfly photo, even if from the other side! I wish I could have gotten a photo of the Baltimore Oriole I saw at my birdfeeder this week, very beautiful and quite rare here in East Texas. Weather is changing, and the birds are on the move. Several (including myself) have noticed that the hummingbirds have gotten very active, feeding heavily and getting ready to move.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2022 01:51 PM (r46W7)

18 10 Threw all my potted plants away except one. The lone survivor sits on the deck in back. Pulled up all the basil. Threw it away too. Just didn't feel like making pesto again. It's a lot of work. Didn't know anyone who wanted fresh basil. What a shame. Waiting for cooler weather to plant some mums.
Posted by: jewells45 at September 10, 2022 01:43 PM (nxdel)

I want fresh basil! Well I'm too far away.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 10, 2022 01:52 PM (r46W7)

19 Posted by: Warai-otoko

There are local community P-patches everywhere. But I'd be gardening among pride flags and hate has no home here flags and the like. Yes. The virtue signaling is mandatory.

Plus the homeless people either steal or shit on your food.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 10, 2022 01:52 PM (U2p+3)

20 basil dehydrates ok if you get one of those stacky-stacky dehydrators.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 01:52 PM (6FeV1)

21 Plus the homeless people either steal or shit on your food.
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 10, 2022 01:52 PM (U2p+3)

Can't have nice things... c'est la vie.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 01:53 PM (6FeV1)

22 lol Tom.. yeah just a bit. Would love to send you some if I could.

Posted by: jewells45 at September 10, 2022 01:55 PM (nxdel)

23 I can't believe it: I am wearing sweat pants for the first time since late last May. It is downright chilly today. And it is raining.

I'm kind of of two minds about watering right now. We are moving to a balcony/patio-less apartment Oct. 1. Is it really worth it to hustle out and water plants I'm going to abandon in just a few weeks? But, OTOH, I just can't walk past a bunch of plants dying of thirst.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at September 10, 2022 01:58 PM (9SjWf)

24 I'm gonna open a chain of gated allotments. Rigid, electrified, unscaleable fencing. Full security system. One year leases at reasonable rates. Sell compost and soil and tools and whatnot to the growers to help the bottom line. One-Strike-You're-Out policy on any signs or flags or bullshit that has anything to do with anything that isn't gardening.

Open 'em up near shithole cities. Start franchising those bitches out once it takes off.

It's a winner, I think.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 01:58 PM (6FeV1)

25 I learned this year that you can root basil from clippings. I bought a bundle at the farmers' market and stuck them in dirt in posts and kept the watered, and planted them after two weeks.
You can root tomatoes that way too. Next year I am going to just buy one of each type I want and root from the prunings.

Warai-Otoko, my Daikon is sprouting, and thank you for the suggestion to plant Bok Choi. I planted parsnips but I suspect the seed is too old.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 10, 2022 01:59 PM (xhaym)

26 Warai-Otoko, my Daikon is sprouting, and thank you for the suggestion to plant Bok Choi. I planted parsnips but I suspect the seed is too old.
Posted by: Kindltot at September 10, 2022 01:59 PM (xhaym)

Yay! I dunno, i've planted seed from three years ago and gotten results. I've planted seed from this season and gotten bupkis. It's a crap shoot, whatever any yoo toob video tries to tell you.

I really haven't done much vegetative propagating, just because everything that takes well, I've already got more than I know what to do with already.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 02:01 PM (6FeV1)

27 Is there a difference between Bok Choi and Pak Choi, or is it just a transliteration Pinyin vs. Wade-Giles thing? Sounds Cantonese to me, at any rate. I love Bok Choi, i've never had Pak Choi. (or maybe I have, I don't know)

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 02:04 PM (6FeV1)

28 The bee photo up top is extraordinary.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 10, 2022 02:07 PM (U2p+3)

29 Posted by: Warai-otoko

Can I be first in line please?

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 10, 2022 02:09 PM (U2p+3)

30 That canner Mark has looks pretty sweet...

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 02:09 PM (6FeV1)

31 29 Posted by: Warai-otoko

Can I be first in line please?
Posted by: nurse ratched at September 10, 2022 02:09 PM (U2p+3)

Heck, I'll even name the thing after ya if you want!

Hmmm....

"Ratched Acres, L.L.C."

I like it.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 10, 2022 02:10 PM (6FeV1)

32 I thought about attempting the gardening thing, but there's lots of deer and other critters around here that would probably just eat everything. Maybe build a greenhouse someday.

Posted by: CppThis at September 10, 2022 02:14 PM (UewuT)

33 I should get a dehydrator, all my herbs go to waste.
Yet my wife makes dried hot pepper by air drying and grind them up. Put them in my chili and pizza sometimes.

Posted by: Skip at September 10, 2022 02:18 PM (k8B25)

34 Nice idea on the electric canner. We canned 10 pounds of pickles and two flats of pints of peach jam. Pickle recipe was from a Kosher dill spice packet per directions, because I haven't figured out a successful recipe.

Posted by: flounder at September 10, 2022 02:27 PM (yHsuS)

35
We had our garden bed extended to the far end of the front of the house a few weeks ago and we're planning what to put in. A lot of underlying weeds and grass were cleared out from the remainder of the garden - which now reaches from one end of the house to the other - and more mulch put down.

We're seeing more hummingbirds, so the migration here may be underway. The flowering bushes are buzzing with a variety of bees. We also have a healthy crop of milkweed for the Monarchs when they arrive.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 10, 2022 02:32 PM (1Nxff)

36 The elk returned to the yard last night. They found out everything there now was selected for the fact that elk usually avoid those plants. They ate the tops off a few things but mostly left stuff alone and didn't pull anything out by the roots this time.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at September 10, 2022 02:32 PM (Bd6X8)

37
I should get a dehydrator, all my herbs go to waste.

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We got an inexpensive one which we use to dry out Rollover for the dogs. But Her Majesty has also used it for herbs, which, we have now found, are more fragrant than the roasted stuff we get at the store.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at September 10, 2022 02:35 PM (1Nxff)

38 Beautiful beezer, Hrothgar. And did you get a picture of top side of the cicada, Beckhoning Chasm?

Posted by: Eromero at September 10, 2022 02:37 PM (oRWDD)

39 It has been so warm here since last week I'm just trying to save the plants that are getting smoked in the shade.

We picked 4 bins of pinot yesterday de-stemmed it and the winemaker did his chemistry. I can smell the fermentation in the wine barn now I believe from the chardonnay.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 10, 2022 02:43 PM (wRauk)

40 Hey Warai-otoko, the New Zealand spinach grows on a vine sort of, and the leaves are very "fleshy". They are good though and I always pick the big leaves off to make way for new leaves. They freeze well for smoothies if you get a lot of leaves. Thanks for the tip about the dragon fruit. I only have one flower per stalk so I think I am okay. They have all flowered and now fingers crossed fruit will form. It was awesome watching the bees on the flowers. They just got inside and almost buried themselves in the pollen.
Kindltot, parsnips need fresh seed. The seeds are only viable for one year, like parsley and spring onions. I also soak my parsnip seeds for a day and then I tend to get better germination. I grow them every year as they are Mr. WeeKreeks favorite.

Posted by: WeeKreekFarmGirl at September 10, 2022 02:46 PM (k/+fq)

41 I love chives for many things, should cut and dry some. I think after oven use a tray in a cooling oven will work.

Posted by: Skip at September 10, 2022 02:46 PM (k8B25)

42 About dehydrating herbs, you can also dry herbs in the microwave. It works really well. Basil works very well and it stays really green. Spread it in a single layer on a paper-towel and nuke it for 30 seconds, then go to 10 second intervals. It can burn quick. There is a pretty good tutorial on it on Pinterest. Just search microwave herb drying.

Posted by: WeeKreekFarmGirl at September 10, 2022 02:51 PM (k/+fq)

43 Howdy Horde!

My wife and I just spent an hour or so weeding our raised garden bed in the front yard. It's been woefully neglected this summer. I'm debating if I should try to convince my wife that we should just tear it down. It makes mowing the lawn a bit of a pain in the butt.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at September 10, 2022 02:56 PM (uPgE/)

44 Quick note about drying herbs:
Basil: Pick good individual leaves. Rinse, put on kitchen towel, pat dry. Put on parchment paper covered baking sheet. Bake at 200 F for about 30 minutes. Check to be sure they're dry. (Store in plastic bag until you feel like crushing by hand/grinding with mortar and pestle.
Parsley: Pick good stems. Rinse, pat dry. Same parchment paper covered baking sheet, but pull off individual flat leaf parts, or small clumps of curly leaf type. Bake at 200 F for about 20 minutes. Check for dryness, store/crush.
Oregano: I don't know why I do this one differently, but I do. Rinse entire cut stems of plant. Pull off best leaves with a tweezer. Let dry between paper towels (this lets them dry, and keeps off dust too).
Chives: I tried using the dehydrator but the chives just seem like dry little bits of hay. So if anyone has a better method that doesn't leave the chive bits feeling all pokey in your mouth, please post.
Spearmint: I've never dried it, just made/canned mint syrup.
Sage: I cut about 6 leaves, let them sit around to dry. And that's still more than I use per year.

Posted by: Pat* at September 10, 2022 03:02 PM (XxPWD)

45 Love the photos.
Thanks for the thread KT.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 10, 2022 03:07 PM (TYOrH)

46 Finally my autumn clematis (Clematis Paniculata) is starting to blossom. It is going to look great in about two more weeks.

*note the Latin...I sound smart huh?*

Posted by: Diogenes at September 10, 2022 03:11 PM (anj39)

47 Diogenes that would make a great name for a newborn either sex.

Posted by: Eromero at September 10, 2022 03:14 PM (gktX6)

48 From Boise area: Tues. high 100 F, low 70 - but weather is finally changing. Fri. high only 77 F, low 46. Air this weekend is smoky.

Some chocolate oatmeal stout still brewing in the carboy - we love making our own beer and hard cider. (No apples of our own this year - trees are resting - so if we make hard cider, it will be with bought cider.)

Still harvesting zucchini, green beans. Cantaloupes starting to ripen. Finally got TWO eating tomatoes. Paste tomatoes look orange, not really red... hope they ripen. One of the cucumber plants I stuck in, in June, when panicking about supply chains, actually produced a few fruits - husband wants to test some non-processed pickling.

We had to stake up some of the new fruit trees, which had started leaning. Husband is working on increasing their irrigation water for next year.

Someone asked last week, what to do with a giant ribbon-winning zucchini? I suppose you could find a way to split it lengthwise, scrape out seeds, put in stuffing and bake it. But me? I take it outside and whack it up with a machete, and it becomes compost. Whackety-whack!

Posted by: Pat* at September 10, 2022 03:16 PM (XxPWD)

49 I should get a dehydrator, all my herbs go to waste.
Yet my wife makes dried hot pepper by air drying and grind them up. Put them in my chili and pizza sometimes.
Posted by: Skip at September 10, 2022 02:18 PM (k8B25)

Putting the herbs on a baking sheet and the oven on very low could do the same thing I imagine. Or between 2 sheets.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 10, 2022 03:20 PM (eoQWY)

50 Wow. It's pretty smokey outside. I can smell the forest fires and the caveman part of my brain is not happy. It's not nearly as bad as 2020, but it's pretty thick out here.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 10, 2022 03:20 PM (Zso0h)

51 Preparing for fire.
Had one friend in Australia lose his ranch. Another in California lost everything a couple years ago.
Step.One: A go bag. This is a no BS go bag. Literally grab it and go. You are likely out of time. Both friends thought they had time but wound up driving thru flames to get out.
And the go bag isn't just one bag. Pre-stock the car. Water. Blankets. Clothes. Pet food. Ammo and gun. In your last bag important papers, money, etc.
Consider a pit to bury bigger important things.
My Aussie buddy had a small pond. He packed a lot.of stuff in waterproof containers, wrapped them in canvas and stones and sank them in his pond. They survived.
make the hard choices now of what to save and what not.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 10, 2022 03:21 PM (anj39)

52 I love to read the garden thread but don't get to it until late. Lots of productive gardens considering the crazy hot dry weather many of us had. I didn't get lots of tomatoes this year but I got enough. A few of the plants are still trying. I Interplanted herbs and flowers with my tomato plants. I heard its good for pollination and confusing bad bugs. The marigolds, basil, parsley,calendula, and cosmos did great but they may have crowded out the tomatoes. A momma rabbit dug her nest under my eggplant plant so no more eggplant this year but I did harvest a few. Eggplant is such a beautiful plant! Caterpillars are munching my parsley away but I think they will soon be black swallowtail butterflies so I'm ok with them. Hopefully I'll get some cool weather crop seeds planted soon. Also considering cover crops. I will definitely get my garlic planted but I usually do that in October closer to Halloween.

Posted by: hogmartinsmom at September 10, 2022 03:28 PM (v63Zv)

53 Posted by: Diogenes at September 10, 2022 03:21 PM (anj39)

That video of a lightening-hit windmill throwing sparks everywhere made me wonder about prairie fires. I'm surprised it hasn't already been a big problem.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 10, 2022 03:30 PM (nC+QA)

54 Here in SE Wisconsin, we're having a classic autumn: bright sun, high in the 70s, just enough rain to keep the air fresh. The corn crop looks good. My garden is yielding a bounty; over the past few nights, we've eaten tomatoes, peppers, and eggplant from the garden, with more to come. We got ten pounds of raspberries from our patch in the backyard, as well as a nice crop of peaches, and the pears are just starting to ripen.

My sister gave me a hummingbird feeder for my birthday, and I set it up just outside the window to our office, where I'm typing this. We're visited by hummingbirds several times a day - amazing creatures!

Posted by: Nemo at September 10, 2022 03:31 PM (S6ArX)

55 I have never been disappointed by any of Ball's canning equipment. The jam/jelly maker is especially wonderful.

I sat in on my utility's tree planting seminar today. It was very interesting. They will give me two shade trees. I get to pick from 8 or so varieties.

One interesting point was the planting process. The hole should only be 90 percent as deep as the root ball, but three to five times as wide. Only use native soil. The trees are expecting it, and "improving" only makes for shallow roots.

So many of the parks here in Mesa have only cocktail toothpicks, AKA palm trees. They handle the weather well but there ain't no shade.

Posted by: Gordon Scott at September 10, 2022 03:32 PM (qqtTz)

56 Posted by: hogmartinsmom at September 10, 2022 03:28 PM (v63Zv)

So glad you de-lurked to give us an update! I was wondering just a couple of days ago how you guys were doing.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 10, 2022 03:32 PM (nC+QA)

57 Love the gardening/puttering thread, so a few thoughts:
1) Since moving to the new house, I can't grow ANYTHING without the DAMN DEER eating it. So sad! Going to try pots on the deck next year to at least get some tomatoes.
2) Got a "Ninja Foodi" 1-1/2 years ago for Christmas. Noticed it has "canning options" for both water bath and pressure canning, so really want to try those out (assuming the DAMN DEER don't eat everything).
3) New house has some lovely hosta that comes up every year, which are eaten by the DAMN DEER every Fall.

So am really jealous right now of all of your gardens....

-SLV

Posted by: Shy Lurking Voter at September 10, 2022 03:38 PM (SEa82)

58 Geez, Nemo! Ten pounds of raspberries is a whole lot of them. My former patch in Minneapolis is doing well, I hear.

Posted by: Gordon Scott at September 10, 2022 03:40 PM (qqtTz)

59 SLV, I had friends in Eden Prairie, MN, in the wooded part of town. We always had to be careful when we visited to avoid hitting deer. They couldn't grow anything except on the well-elevated deck.

One night he and I were standing on the deck talking and we hear a keeerunch. About a minute later we hear it again and traced the sound to an apple tree about 30 feet away, where a doe was having a late dinner. After the second apple she strolled past us, with a "hey, how ya doin'" look.

Posted by: Gordon Scott at September 10, 2022 03:48 PM (qqtTz)

60 @Gordon Scott
I keep looking at them and thinking "backstraps and sausage"......

-SLV

Posted by: Shy Lurking Voter at September 10, 2022 03:51 PM (SEa82)

61 I love those garden photos from Black JEM.

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at September 10, 2022 04:00 PM (d9Cw3)

62 Late, late, I know.
Tractor Supply sells a solar electric fence setup. Costs maybe $300 for the whole shebang. If you have electric close enough, it's far less.
We strung it low around our 8' deer fence for smaller critters (possums) that found they could scale the fence.
I'm going to run higher wires around fruit trees, which have been a no go cause of the deer.

Posted by: MkY at September 10, 2022 04:21 PM (cPGH3)

63 I'll send KT a close up of our deer fence. It is really cheap (like me) and took two of us half a day to erect. 260 total feet.

Posted by: MkY at September 10, 2022 04:22 PM (cPGH3)

64 Shy Lurker Voter - in our experience, the only thing that will stop deer is electricity. They didn't bother us at all this year. Instead it was a pair of young raccoons ravaging the corn. I assume it was just this pair, because we caught two within a few days of each other and that was the end of it.

For those who are concerned, they were released in the same place some miles away.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at September 10, 2022 04:39 PM (Mzdiz)

65 I think maybe I've just seen the future of small-plot farming in the new environment. I get a specials offer once a week from an implement company. A lot of their things are 3-point attachments, which I use a lot, and then there are units for skid-steers, and units for garden/lawn tractors. I don't understand their pricing at all; sometimes they're a must-buy, others they seem way high compared to other firms. But, I don't mind reading their offers.

Their hot new item is a manure spreader that goes behind a lawn tractor. "Ideal for the smallest barns!" Now, I'm not opposed to the idea of using manure BUT (obligatory, big but) "smallest barn" and "garden tractor" leads to the idea of livestock being raised (and there's really only one kind of livestock, I hope, that lends itself well to spreading) and concentrated manure being spread on small plots in close proximity to suburban neighbors.

You expect open manure in real farm country. I've worked a truckload of well-aged horse dung into my biggish garden, end of season and plowed under. When we start doling it out in the back yards, it's going to be a new era in Karenism.

We're out of chemicals.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at September 10, 2022 07:12 PM (x61Im)

66 I am making $85 an hour working from home. i was greatly surprised at the same time as my neighbour advised me she changed into averaging $95 however I see the way it works now. I experience mass freedom now that I'm my non-public boss.
That is what I do.. www.Profit97.com

Posted by: Sarah at September 11, 2022 07:07 AM (Z1qxE)

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