Saturday Evening Movie Thread - 9/03/2022 [TheJamesMadison]

A Hero Bursts Forth From the Sun

J.J. McQuade is the hero the lawless West needs in its most desperate of hours.

He is the selfless, tireless, and skilled Texas Ranger who operates only based on once code: that which is right. He protects the innocent, putting his life on the line to bring violent criminals to justice, cutting through the murky morality brought on by corruption and arms trafficking in the border town of El Paso. He sacrifices all that is his in pursuit of peace and freedom.

He is the greatest lawman of his generation, one who runs red lights because he's slightly late to a ceremony for an old friend after having single-handedly taken out an entire band of horse thieves after they took half a dozen state troopers hostage. He is the hero we need.

The Strength of Images

The director of Lone Wolf McQuade, Steve Carver, is one of the great visual artists of our time. His command of images and meaning is unparalleled. He uses his camera like a neo-classical artist composing images, but his subject is the epitome of manhood: Chuck Norris. Take the scene where Norris's McQuade, the lone wolf who is so dedicated to peace and goodness that he has no time to even clean his own house, finds the widow of the criminal partner of David Carradine's Rawley Wilkes. Lola (Barbara Carrera) is cleaning McQuade's house without his permission. She even throws away his beer! (The Freudian implications are obvious here.)

The two get into a physical confrontation that leads them to wrestling outside in the mud, made by a water hose. Knowing that we are in a piece of art, we can easily see what's going on here. It's not a random event just to make things look interesting, it's a penetrative look at the heart of the budding relationship. He is like the dirt. She is like the water. Combined, they make mud. It's enough to make one cry.

Finding Meaning in the Smallest of Details

There is a character in the film, an ATF agent named Burnside. The thing about Burnside is that he does not actually have sideburns.

What to make of this?

There's obvious deep meaning to it, and we just have to approach it from an ironic context. The ATF agent is never seen as anything other than a boob, someone more in place in an office than in the rugged terrain of South Texas that McQuade navigates with such ease and poise. Burnside is a detriment in the effort to track down Rawley Wilkes, his base of operations being deep in the wilds of the Texas countryside. Even the FBI Agent Marcus Jackson is willing to help McQuade by flying him around to look for any potential signs, but Burnside just complains.

The first sight of him without his side burns should have been the clue that he would not be a worthy contributor to the efforts. He could not live up to his name, named after Ambrose Burnside who was defeated at both Fredericksburg and Petersburg, he doesn't even have the necessary sideburns to fulfil the name in the basest of senses. This is the level of cinematic intelligence on display in Lone Wolf McQuade.

Lesser Films

There's a scene where Steve Carver looks back in film history and decides that he can do it all better. In Francis Ford Coppola's The Godfather Part II, Michael Corleone is attacked in his bedroom by machine gun fire from outside. Carver repeats this scene with the hero McQuade to much more powerful effect.

Essentially it's the same, but it's targeting the great hero Lone Wolf McQuade. It makes Coppola look like an amateur.

In addition, McQuade is given motivation in the film's final moments to really hate the bad guy when his pet wolf dies. How bad ass is that? He has a pet wolf! That's so much more badass than John Wick's puppy. J.J. McQuade > John Wick.

Coming Back to Reality

Okay, that was a bit over the top, no? Got a bit out of control?

Yes, I've overplayed the artistic success and import of this Chuck Norris movie, but I do enjoy it. It's a fun neo-western obviously inspired in equal parts by the Dollars Trilogy directed by Sergio Leone (the music by Francesco de Masi is the deadest giveaway) and the other Clint Eastwood star-vehicle Dirty Harry. In fact, the script for Lone Wolf McQuade was written for Eastwood, but he passed on the project which led to the director, Steve Carver, reaching out to the star of his previous film, An Eye for an Eye, Chuck Norris who did take the role despite his concerns that drinking beer on screen would ruin his image as a family-friendly action star.

Why did I go to these lengths? Well, the first was the joke itself. Inspired by our dear commenter Duke Lowell who has kept it up as a meme without any feedback for months, I decided to just do it without any fanfare. I thought it would amuse him. I hope it has.

The second reason was Billy Wilder: Dancing on the Edge by Joseph McBride. McBride has been writing about movies for decades, including having a day on set of The FrontPage. Wilder's writing partner I.A.L. Diamond said (I left the book somewhere I can't get to, so I have to paraphrase): "You people read things into these movies that are simply not there."

McBride has not only the gal to print this in his book, he even goes on to say that Diamond is wrong and that his own over-indulgent readings of Wilder's work is actually valid. He even quotes D.H. Lawrence's "Never trust the artist. Trust the tale. The proper function of a critic is to save the tale from the artist who created it." The problem that McBride has is that he not only doesn't trust the artist, he doesn't trust the tale either. (He also doesn't quote the first two lines of the Lawrence quote.) He goes so far overboard to overexplain his own thematic obsessions, transplanting them into Wilder's work so completely when there might have been a germ of an idea to begin with, that it becomes about McBride's own ideas rather than Wilder's. What starts as an interesting look at the life of a nomad journalist and screenwriter who goes from Vienna to Berlin to France and finally to Hollywood becomes an obsessive bit of nostalgia for Weimar Germany of all things.

He even says that Freud's assertion that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar is wrong. He says that the cigar is always something else. If you are there saying that Freud wasn't obsessed enough with symbolism, you've fallen down a rabbit hole you will never climb out of.

A while back, I wrote about reading too much into movies, and Billy Wilder: Dancing on the Edge is a book form of that.

What Lawrence said was, "let the art speak for itself." What McBride wants us to do is read him to figure out what the art says. I don't need a translator. You shouldn't either. I've read good, illuminating books about filmmakers and their work such as Steven Prince's A Dream of Resistance: The Cinema of Kobayashi Masaki. McBride is not at that level, despite the fact that this was something like his tenth published book on film.

In Conclusion

Alright, I hope I combined something amusing with a small diatribe about something no one cared about.

Movies of Today

Opening in Theaters:

Fall

Emily The Criminal

Movies I Saw This Fortnight:

Woman in the Moon (Rating 3.5/4) Full Review "Great to look at, solidly built narratively, and an extension of Lang's own thematic ideas, Woman in the Moon is a very entertaining adventure tale that may not quite hit the heights of something like Die Nibelungen: Kriemheld's Revenge, but is very much of the same school of filmmaking as Metropolis." [Personal Collection]

M (Rating 4/4) Full Review "This movie is awesome." [Personal Collection]

The Testament of Dr. Mabuse (Rating 3/4) Full Review "The film is a portrait of a nation on the verge of being consumed by chaos and terrorism, obvious fears of a half-Jewish man who was seeing everything he knew either flee or disintegrate." [Library]

Fury (Rating 4/4) Full Review "Lang came to Hollywood and made the most of his new location, language, and production environment. He made a film that fits really well in with his German work while declaring his presence in Hollywood with style, intelligence, and strong control over his actors." [Personal Collection]

Western Union (Rating 3.5/4) Full Review "Well produced, well directed, and surprisingly affecting in its final moments, Western Union may be Fritz Lang reacting to his financial disappointments and John Ford's financial successes, but he does it quite well. He doesn't make it his own, twisting and turning the script to fit his own thematic obsessions, but he does make the best of what he has." [Library]

Ministry of Fear (Rating 3/4) Full Review "So, the film works. It's conventional and operates in a fairly tight box, but Milland helps to elevate it and Lang's expert handle of the physical production keeps things interesting visually. I'm going to have to read the book to see why both Greene and Lang felt like it failed, though." [Criterion Channel]

The Woman in the Window (Rating 3.5/4) Full Review "It doesn't quite fit the rest of his work thematically, a similar distance created in Ministry of Fear, but he entertains well because he was a professional who understood the medium really well." [Personal Collection]

Scarlet Street (Rating 4/4) Full Review "This is the complete package of a Lang film that we haven't seen since he left Germany. He has made very good work pretty consistently (Fury is still great, even if there is a compromise that makes it less Lang's work), but this is purely Lang." [Personal Collection]

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Comments

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1 MOVIES!!!

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at September 03, 2022 06:29 PM (gbzeC)

2 Yes!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 03, 2022 06:29 PM (u73oe)

3 free sponge

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 06:30 PM (us2H3)

4 Hiya

Posted by: Ciampino has had MS EULAs explained to him at September 03, 2022 06:30 PM (qfLjt)

5 I’m sensing a wee bit of sarcasm from our host.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 03, 2022 06:33 PM (u73oe)

6 I like Westerns

Posted by: Skip at September 03, 2022 06:33 PM (k8B25)

7 First time I've been disappointed that movie thread has been posted. I'll just keep the painting for my study.

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 06:33 PM (PmzDg)

8 5 I’m sensing a wee bit of sarcasm from our host.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 03, 2022 06:33 PM (u73oe)

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I liked it!

I also wanted to make a funny.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 06:34 PM (LvTSG)

9 poly, I would love to see your painting!

Posted by: Infidel at September 03, 2022 06:35 PM (mBewQ)

10 I thought it would amuse him. I hope it has.

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Indeed, sir!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 03, 2022 06:35 PM (u73oe)

11 At least Chuck Norris wasn't a poseur. Actual a world karate champion in the middle weight class.

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 06:36 PM (PmzDg)

12 Thank you, notsothoreau!

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at September 03, 2022 06:37 PM (g23x+)

13 Even when you are trying to slum, the art oozes out of you.

"Culture comes easiest to those who need it least."
-- Nero Wolfe

Posted by: Splunge at September 03, 2022 06:37 PM (cm/80)

14 Yes, it’s cheesy, but it’s entertaining. The bad guys are really bad and the good guys win.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 03, 2022 06:37 PM (u73oe)

15 polynikes I'm sadly not going to MoMe but would love to see painting. Good chance we will next week if you sent it.

Posted by: Skip at September 03, 2022 06:39 PM (k8B25)

16 I've never seen 'Going my Way" cuz Bing, for me, is a deal breaker

the film won 7 Oscars, which seems excessive

however, one of my fav movies, Tom Jones (1963), is probably the lowest rated "best picture" winner

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 06:39 PM (us2H3)

17 Links for movie you saw go to different movies.

Posted by: No Name Today at September 03, 2022 06:39 PM (vlXMQ)

18 16 however, one of my fav movies, Tom Jones (1963), is probably the lowest rated "best picture" winner

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 06:39 PM (us2H3)

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The lowest rated is Broadway Melody, the second winner of the award.

It's...not very good.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 06:40 PM (LvTSG)

19 I haven't watched too many Norris movies but I do remember liking Silent Rage when I was a young guy.

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 06:40 PM (PmzDg)

20 17 Links for movie you saw go to different movies.
Posted by: No Name Today at September 03, 2022 06:39 PM (vlXMQ)

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They've been updated.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 06:40 PM (LvTSG)

21 polynikes I'm sadly not going to MoMe but would love to see painting. Good chance we will next week if you sent it.
Posted by: Skip at September 03, 2022 06:39 PM (k8B25)

Thanks infidel and Skip. I sent it to MH last week.

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 06:42 PM (PmzDg)

22 The leader of the rustlers is about to behead a state trooper with a machete and the McQuade...shoots their trucks. That got their attention!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 03, 2022 06:42 PM (u73oe)

23 Off topic, but your best friend Allahbuttpundit is leaving Hot Air. The Lincoln Project clowns offered him a job.

Posted by: Tom C at September 03, 2022 06:42 PM (UC9jk)

24 22 The leader of the rustlers is about to behead a state trooper with a machete and the McQuade...shoots their trucks. That got their attention!
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 03, 2022 06:42 PM (u73oe)

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He only takes life when he must, not as a first resort.

He is a pillar of masculine restraint.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 06:43 PM (LvTSG)

25 Truth be told, I haven’t seen it in probably 30 years. I should try to find it.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 03, 2022 06:43 PM (u73oe)

26 Good semi-snark writing JJ.

I watched Samaritan on prime, same feeling, it is not a academy award winner and not meant to be, stars Sylvester Stallone. It is suppose to be a comic in real life and it meets that, good enough to feel you didn't waste 90 minutes of your life.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 03, 2022 06:43 PM (8GBH4)

27 I've enjoyed The Woman in the Window, and I think I've seen all of Scarlet Street. Amazing how Edward G. Robinson creates two such very different characters, and both so different from the gangster persona he was always associated with. (He was fortunate that he didn't get typecast. Maybe because he was just so good.)

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 06:43 PM (c6xtn)

28 He only takes life when he must, not as a first resort.

He is a pillar of masculine restraint.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 06:43 PM (LvTSG)

So he's not just a bad shot like the A Team?

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 06:43 PM (PmzDg)

29 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 06:40 PM (LvTSG)

the casting of Tom Jones was superb

I love well casted flicks, like King Rat and others

and when they miss, it bothers me

I love "the Heiress" but I thought Monty was all wrong

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 06:44 PM (us2H3)

30 I enjoyed the description.

Posted by: Iris at September 03, 2022 06:44 PM (foa6+)

31 At least Chuck Norris wasn't a poseur. Actual a world karate champion in the middle weight class.
Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022

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And with a sense of humor about himself.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 06:45 PM (c6xtn)

32 Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 03, 2022 06:43 PM (8GBH4)

Seeing Stallone is in his late 70's that's pretty impressive.

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 06:45 PM (PmzDg)

33 I like Chuck in movies, nothing memorable but seen many

Posted by: Skip at September 03, 2022 06:45 PM (k8B25)

34 Another thin I learned from McQuade. If you’re ever buried alive in your truck, it’s best if that truck has turbochargers. That’ll get you right out of that pickle!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 03, 2022 06:45 PM (u73oe)

35 Afternoon.

Posted by: Robert at September 03, 2022 06:46 PM (1Yy3c)

36 Pet Thread: So...should I post the movie thread an hour early?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison

Why do you hate pets?

Posted by: mindful webworker with film at 11 at September 03, 2022 06:47 PM (Urbpq)

37 Even when you are trying to slum, the art oozes out of you.

"Culture comes easiest to those who need it least."
-- Nero Wolfe
Posted by: Splunge at September 03, 2022

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I don't recall that particular quote, but it sounds right. It reinforces what someone said about Stout's Wolfe (I'm paraphrasing): He talks like a superman, yes, but then he never uses big words just to be using them.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 06:47 PM (c6xtn)

38 Hey Robert! We were just talking about the greatness that is Lone Wolf McQuade.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 03, 2022 06:47 PM (u73oe)

39 Next up in the Movie Roulette queue:

Jumper

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 03, 2022 06:47 PM (K5n5d)

40 39 Next up in the Movie Roulette queue:

Jumper
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 03, 2022 06:47 PM (K5n5d)

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Ugh...I actually own that movie. Can't remember why.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 06:48 PM (LvTSG)

41 Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 06:44 PM (us2H3)

I don't know why but when you discuss movies I can only think of your love of Hud.

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 06:48 PM (PmzDg)

42 I've never seen Ministry of Fear, and cant recall if I've read the book. Graham Greene, right? One of what he called his "entertainments" like This Gun For Hire?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 06:49 PM (c6xtn)

43 This has really made my day! Thanks, TJM!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 03, 2022 06:49 PM (u73oe)

44 42 I've never seen Ministry of Fear, and cant recall if I've read the book. Graham Greene, right? One of what he called his "entertainments" like This Gun For Hire?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 06:49 PM (c6xtn)

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Yeah, Graham Greene wrote the original book. My mother is huge Greene fan and she hands me Greene books every other Christmas.

The Graham Greene Film Reader is really interesting.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 06:50 PM (LvTSG)

45 The original Get Carter with Michael Caine is on right now .

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 06:50 PM (PmzDg)

46 I bodged today but there was no bodging thread.

A bodge is a terrible thing t waste.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 03, 2022 06:50 PM (2VfHu)

47 I loved Delta Force and Missing In Action back in the day.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 03, 2022 06:50 PM (CdZ4i)

48 One thing I've learned in life is never ask Chuck Norris "Is that all you got?".

Posted by: fd at September 03, 2022 06:50 PM (sn5EN)

49 43 This has really made my day! Thanks, TJM!
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 03, 2022 06:49 PM (u73oe)

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You're welcome!

I'm just happy this wasn't the week you decided to skip the thread.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 06:51 PM (LvTSG)

50 I watched Samaritan on prime, same feeling, it is not a academy award winner and not meant to be, stars Sylvester Stallone. It is suppose to be a comic in real life and it meets that, good enough to feel you didn't waste 90 minutes of your life.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 03, 2022 06:43 PM (8GBH4)

It's a decent film.

Posted by: WiNO at September 03, 2022 06:51 PM (EpDzw)

51 I think I've recommended this but maybe not.

Pompo The Cinephile.

An anime about a dude hired to direct a movie for a B-movie writer/producer named Pompo. It's basically a love letter to film and creativity. The dude makes a trailer. Then a film. Then he's got to edit the film. It's cute, amusing, well animated and looks freakin' GORGEOUS on Blu-ray.

Also, it's only 90 minutes.

Anyway, check it out. It's fun. I liked it a lot. I liked it enough to buy the manga. Check it out.

Posted by: Robert at September 03, 2022 06:51 PM (1Yy3c)

52 I need some new Chuck Norris stories.
Superman wear Chuck Norris underwear.

Posted by: MkY at September 03, 2022 06:51 PM (cPGH3)

53 And after the roll in the mud, she was carrying Chuck's baby. The actress... in real life... because Chuck Norris.

Posted by: She Hobbit at September 03, 2022 06:51 PM (ftFVW)

54 How can you have a thread on Chuck without a nod to Bruce in The Way of the Dragon? Classics.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at September 03, 2022 06:51 PM (DOvc/)

55 54 How can you have a thread on Chuck without a nod to Bruce in The Way of the Dragon? Classics.
Posted by: Dr. Bone at September 03, 2022 06:51 PM (DOvc/)

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Because I'm pretty sure that Lone Wolf McQuade marks my very first entry into the cinematic universe of Chuck Norris.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 06:52 PM (LvTSG)

56 One thing I've learned in life is never ask Chuck Norris "Is that all you got?".
Posted by: fd at September 03, 2022 06:50 PM (sn5EN)

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Also, ALWAYS bring extra chewing gum.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 03, 2022 06:52 PM (2VfHu)

57 We were just talking about the greatness that is Lone Wolf McQuade.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 03, 2022 06:47 PM (u73oe)

I've never seen it.

Is it great? :B

Posted by: Robert at September 03, 2022 06:52 PM (1Yy3c)

58 Ray Milland . . . I remember his excellent work in Lost Weekend (to bring us back to Billy Wilder) and in The Big Clock. A film of his I haven't seen since the '70s is Alias Nick Beal, a dark and serious noir (ca. 1947) about the Devil (Milland) tempting a young politician. Very appropriate for today's world. Unfortunately it's not on YooToob.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 06:52 PM (c6xtn)

59 Chuck Norris came across a Grizzly while hiking and the Grizzly played dead.

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 06:52 PM (PmzDg)

60 The Woman In the Window and Scarlet Street are sort of the same movie except with a different ending.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 03, 2022 06:53 PM (63Dwl)

61 58 Ray Milland . . . I remember his excellent work in Lost Weekend (to bring us back to Billy Wilder) and in The Big Clock. A film of his I haven't seen since the '70s is Alias Nick Beal, a dark and serious noir (ca. 1947) about the Devil (Milland) tempting a young politician. Very appropriate for today's world. Unfortunately it's not on YooToob.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 06:52 PM (c6xtn)

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Ooo...also has Thomas Mitchell.

Thomas Mitchell is probably my favorite character actor of the 30s, 40s, and 50s.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 06:53 PM (LvTSG)

62 *Looks up at the pictures*

The woman holding that hose...that's some kind of metaphor, ain't it?

Posted by: Robert at September 03, 2022 06:53 PM (1Yy3c)

63 My history professor friend who recently retired is a huge Chuck Norris fan. She left a few pics of Chuck in her office for the next person who occupied it...You know, for good luck!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 03, 2022 06:53 PM (K5n5d)

64 Chuck Norris doesn't read books.
He stares them down until he gets the information he wants.

Posted by: MkY at September 03, 2022 06:54 PM (cPGH3)

65 Why did I go to these lengths? Well, the first was the joke itself. Inspired by our dear commenter Duke Lowell who has kept it up as a meme without any feedback for months, I decided to just do it without any fanfare. I thought it would amuse him. I hope it has.

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Wait, you're saying that YOU were being sarcastic? I was agreeing with every sentiment ... I just can't even.

In many ways, isn't the story of J.J. McQuade & Rawley Wilkes the story of Ace and Sponge?

Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 03, 2022 06:54 PM (QbCrG)

66 I liked 'Lone Wolf McQuade' quite a bit. Fun movie. Damn entertaining. I mean, it's not a brilliant piece of theatric art like 'Harley Davidson and The Marlboro Man' but I liked it.

I haven't seen 'Extreme Prejudice' with Nick Nolte and Powers Boothe in years. I'm going to have to dig that up and watch it again. I seem to recall it was pretty damn good. Also, a young Maria Conchita Alonso!

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 03, 2022 06:55 PM (sAmhv)

67 I like how Walker, Texas Ranger beats the crap out of every bad guy at the end of every episode and nobody ever whines about police brutality because they know Walker, Texas Ranger might come beat the crap out of them too.

Posted by: fd at September 03, 2022 06:55 PM (sn5EN)

68 FUN FACT: The destruction of Alderaan was just a proof-of -concept test before the Empire aimed it at Chuck Norris.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 03, 2022 06:55 PM (2VfHu)

69 He only takes life when he must, not as a first resort.

He is a pillar of masculine restraint.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 06:43 PM (LvTSG)

So he's not just a bad shot like the A Team?
Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 06:43 PM (PmzDg)

The A-Team lives in a parallel universe where explosives and bullets do no damage but every bush has a car flipping ramp behind it.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 03, 2022 06:55 PM (eoQWY)

70 Steven Seagal movies or Chuck Norris movies?

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 06:55 PM (PmzDg)

71 When Chuck Norris was born, the only person who cried was the Doctor.
Nobody slaps Chuck Norris.

Posted by: MkY at September 03, 2022 06:56 PM (cPGH3)

72 45 The original Get Carter with Michael Caine is on right now .
Posted by: polynikes

Dark, gritty, movie with no good guys. Everybody gets what they deserve. I loved it.

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 03, 2022 06:57 PM (sAmhv)

73 I wouldn't tell him to his face and maybe nobody else will either but Chuck's acting is as wooden as 2X6.

Posted by: fd at September 03, 2022 06:57 PM (sn5EN)

74 The Boogeyman checks under his bed every night for Chuck Norris.

Posted by: MkY at September 03, 2022 06:57 PM (cPGH3)

75 He is the selfless, tireless, and skilled Texas Ranger who operates only based on once code: that which is right. He protects the innocent, putting his life on the line to bring violent criminals to justice, cutting through the murky morality brought on by corruption and arms trafficking in the border town of El Paso. He sacrifices all that is his in pursuit of peace and freedom.
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When I read this, I immediately thought of Robert E. Howard's "Solomon Kane."

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 03, 2022 06:58 PM (K5n5d)

76 I don't know why but when you discuss movies I can only think of your love of Hud.
Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 06:48 PM (PmzDg)

yeah, I love that movie cuz I was brought up a very similar situation'

the movie was spot on and Newman was great int he role and I'm not much of a fan of his

but he was like George Segal in King Rat. While I don't like him much either, can't think of anyone else in the role

and Newman nailed the accent.

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 06:59 PM (us2H3)

77 "The original Get Carter with Michael Caine is on right now ."

After that, Sgt York. So it's that or "Frogs" on Svengoolie.

Posted by: fd at September 03, 2022 06:59 PM (sn5EN)

78 Too much input from symbolism.

These poor creatures also divine whatever with voodoo

Equals, you are a dangerous subject. I'm the neat elite.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at September 03, 2022 06:59 PM (r2DcQ)

79 Covid gets Chuck Norris boosters on a regular basis.

Posted by: MkY at September 03, 2022 07:00 PM (cPGH3)

80 75 When I read this, I immediately thought of Robert E. Howard's "Solomon Kane."
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 03, 2022 06:58 PM (K5n5d)

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You know what's surprisingly good?

The Solomon Kane movie from a few years ago, starring James Purefoy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 07:00 PM (LvTSG)

81 Speaking of David Carradine & actresses named Barbara, a young Barbara Hershey appears in the original Kung Fu series (my favorite TV show as a kid) in a two-part episode called "Besieged."

It's a hoot because at first she's supposed to be disguised as a young man, and then once discovered to be female -- half-Chinese like Kwai Chang himself.

It's always fun to re-watch old TV shows & movies and spot actors & actresses unknown at the time whom you now recognize.

Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 03, 2022 07:00 PM (QbCrG)

82 After Moses came down from the mountain with ten commandments, Chuck Norris went up and got exemptions from eight of them.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 03, 2022 07:00 PM (2VfHu)

83 You know what's surprisingly good?

The Solomon Kane movie from a few years ago, starring James Purefoy.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 07:00 PM (LvTSG)
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Yep. That's a guilty pleasure of mine.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 03, 2022 07:01 PM (K5n5d)

84 Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 03, 2022 07:00 PM (2VfHu)

Hah never heard that one .

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 07:01 PM (PmzDg)

85 83 Yep. That's a guilty pleasure of mine.
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 03, 2022 07:01 PM (K5n5d)

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I feel no guilt talking about it. It's solidly good, better than I think anyone expected it to be, including everyone involved.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 07:01 PM (LvTSG)

86 Covid gets Chuck Norris boosters on a regular basis.
Posted by: MkY at September 03, 2022 07:00 PM (cPGH3)
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Not sure if that says a whole lot. COVID also get regular boosters against Jill Biden.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 03, 2022 07:01 PM (K5n5d)

87 Hot damn!! Lone Wolf McQuade! One of the finest over the top movies of all time. The dramatic organ music, the desert locales, the absolute good and bad guys (no gray areas) Chuck Norris beating the shit out of people or blowing them up, and Barbara Carrera's boobs. What more can you ask for in a film?

Posted by: JTB at September 03, 2022 07:02 PM (7EjX1)

88 The older guy looks at Chuck and remarks about the woman:

How’d you like to bite that on the ass, develop lock jaw, and get dragged to death?

That’s quality writing, right there.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 03, 2022 07:02 PM (u73oe)

89 77 "The original Get Carter with Michael Caine is on right now ."

After that, Sgt York. So it's that or "Frogs" on Svengoolie.
Posted by: fd at September 03, 2022 06:59 PM (sn5EN)

Get Carter is a pretty good movie

Caine is almost always good

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 07:02 PM (us2H3)

90 They are doing an Arnold double header on IFC right now. Terminator followed by Predator.

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 07:05 PM (PmzDg)

91 Too much input from symbolism.

These poor creatures also divine whatever with voodoo

Equals, you are a dangerous subject. I'm the neat elite.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at September 03, 2022 06:59 PM (r2DcQ)

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The worst class I ever had in college was with a professor in the first English Literature class I took at a small, private, liberal arts college. If you didn't see either Jesus Christ and/or homosexuality symbolism in EVERY piece of literature that we read, analyzed, and wrote papers on, you didn't fare any better than a C grade.

Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 03, 2022 07:05 PM (QbCrG)

92 A rattlesnake once bit Chuck Norris. After several days of pain and agony, the snake died.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 03, 2022 07:06 PM (u73oe)

93
Thomas Mitchell is probably my favorite character actor of the 30s, 40s, and 50s.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 06:53 PM (LvTSG)

better than Granpa McCoy ??

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 07:06 PM (us2H3)

94 I remember seeing Chuck and Bruce Lee fight in some movie back in the day.

Chuck's body hair bruised Bruce's tiny chinese hands and left him scarred for life.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at September 03, 2022 07:06 PM (R/m4+)

95 And a Vin Diesel on Bounce with Pitch Black and Chronicles of Riddick.

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 07:07 PM (PmzDg)

96 "Terminator followed by Predator."

cha-ching!

Posted by: Ahnold at September 03, 2022 07:07 PM (jTmQV)

97 The worst class I ever had in college was with a professor in the first English Literature class I took at a small, private, liberal arts college. If you didn't see either Jesus Christ and/or homosexuality symbolism in EVERY piece of literature that we read, analyzed, and wrote papers on, you didn't fare any better than a C grade.
Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 03, 2022 07:05 PM (QbCrG)
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*sigh* And this is how you turn students away from loving reading...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 03, 2022 07:08 PM (K5n5d)

98 There's a Solomon Kane movie? Why wasn't I informed? Just ordered the Blu-Ray version. Hope it holds up to the books.

Posted by: JTB at September 03, 2022 07:09 PM (7EjX1)

99 If Chuck Norris throws you into a bottomless pit, YOU WILL HIT THE BOTTOM.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 03, 2022 07:09 PM (CdZ4i)

100 91 The worst class I ever had in college was with a professor in the first English Literature class I took at a small, private, liberal arts college. If you didn't see either Jesus Christ and/or homosexuality symbolism in EVERY piece of literature that we read, analyzed, and wrote papers on, you didn't fare any better than a C grade.
Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 03, 2022 07:05 PM (QbCrG)

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It's so easy for film critics and scholars to go off the deep end and just look for symbolism everywhere to find the "secret formula" of one thing or another. I found a paper that argued that Steven Spielberg's The Lost World was all about the Holocaust.

I mean...I suppose there are shades of it in the rounding up of dinos, but it's pretty obvious that even if Spielberg thought of it while crafting the film, it was not any kind of driving force to the story. So, maybe it's there, but it definitely doesn't say anything about the story. It might say something about Spielberg having a base set of experiences that he builds stories from, but it's not exactly important to figuring out The Lost World itself.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 07:09 PM (LvTSG)

101 Cable Houge is on right now with David Warner

Warner played Mr Blfil in Tom Jones

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 07:09 PM (us2H3)

102 The USAF turns 75 in another fortnight. The USAF once had Chuck Norris among its ranks, making it the greatest branch of service anywhere, period.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 03, 2022 07:10 PM (CdZ4i)

103 There's a Solomon Kane movie? Why wasn't I informed? Just ordered the Blu-Ray version. Hope it holds up to the books.
Posted by: JTB at September 03, 2022 07:09 PM (7EjX1)
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As with most adaptations, it's probably best to consider it as its own thing...But it's quite watchable!

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 03, 2022 07:10 PM (K5n5d)

104 The USAF once had Chuck Norris among its ranks, making it the greatest branch of service anywhere, period.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 03, 2022 07:10 PM (CdZ4i)

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Well, let’s not go overboard.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 03, 2022 07:11 PM (u73oe)

105 103 As with most adaptations, it's probably best to consider it as its own thing...But it's quite watchable!
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 03, 2022 07:10 PM (K5n5d)

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It's better than the Conan the Barbarian that came out about the same time.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 07:11 PM (LvTSG)

106 All I remember about Lone Wolf McQuade was I got set up with a blind date as a favor for a high school friend of mine. That wasn't very enjoyable either.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 03, 2022 07:11 PM (qH6FZ)

107 I mean...I suppose there are shades of it in the rounding up of dinos, but it's pretty obvious that even if Spielberg thought of it while crafting the film, it was not any kind of driving force to the story. So, maybe it's there, but it definitely doesn't say anything about the story. It might say something about Spielberg having a base set of experiences that he builds stories from, but it's not exactly important to figuring out The Lost World itself.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 07:09 PM (LvTSG)
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I think this is why Tolkien *hated* people trying to find allegory in The Lord of the Rings. They were just projecting themselves into the story rather than understanding Tolkien's vision...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 03, 2022 07:12 PM (K5n5d)

108 100: I hated discussions of symbolism in HS or college lit classes. I found so much of it to be intellectual wankery. Sometimes a story is JUST A STORY.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 03, 2022 07:12 PM (CdZ4i)

109 107 I think this is why Tolkien *hated* people trying to find allegory in The Lord of the Rings. They were just projecting themselves into the story rather than understanding Tolkien's vision...
Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 03, 2022 07:12 PM (K5n5d)

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I love his letter completely taking apart the "LOTR is WWII" interpretation.

"This makes no sense, and you're dumb for thinking it," was my summary.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 07:13 PM (LvTSG)

110 I feel no guilt talking about it. It's solidly good, better than I think anyone expected it to be, including everyone involved.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang

Agree, was surprised in a good way upon watching Solomon Kane the first time.

Posted by: She Hobbit at September 03, 2022 07:14 PM (ftFVW)

111 95 And a Vin Diesel on Bounce with Pitch Black and Chronicles of Riddick.
Posted by: polynikes

'Pitch Black' is a sneaky great movie. Not sure why that is, it just is.

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 03, 2022 07:14 PM (sAmhv)

112 108 100: I hated discussions of symbolism in HS or college lit classes. I found so much of it to be intellectual wankery. Sometimes a story is JUST A STORY.
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 03, 2022 07:12 PM (CdZ4i)

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The importance of being exposed to the stories one is supposed to read in school is to absorb the cultural foundations that led to today, not to figure out every turn of phrase in Romeo and Juliet.

High School teachers seem more obsessed with the going through select sections with a fine toothed comb rather than instilling an overall sense of enjoyment.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 07:15 PM (LvTSG)

113 And a Vin Diesel on Bounce with Pitch Black and Chronicles of Riddick.
Posted by: polynikes

'Pitch Black' is a sneaky great movie. Not sure why that is, it just is.
Posted by: Puddleglum at September 03, 2022 07:14 PM (sAmhv)

I liked Chronicles too but I thought Riddick was the best one.

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 07:16 PM (PmzDg)

114 82: I thought Chuck Norris got the other 5 Commandments…

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 03, 2022 07:16 PM (CdZ4i)

115 I saw "The Fall" a number of years ago. I've recommended it to a number of my friends who are movie buffs but none of them have watched it that I know of.

I really enjoyed it. It has two story lines that intersect. One is real world and the other is some seriously trippy story telling.

I wonder if anyone here has seen it.

Posted by: pawn at September 03, 2022 07:17 PM (wsHtO)

116 I love his letter completely taking apart the "LOTR is WWII" interpretation.

"This makes no sense, and you're dumb for thinking it," was my summary.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 07:13 PM (LvTSG)
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Dude was a grandmaster of insulting you right to your face, while you thought he was complimenting you.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 03, 2022 07:17 PM (K5n5d)

117 112: 1000% agreed.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at September 03, 2022 07:18 PM (CdZ4i)

118 The first Ray Milland movie I saw was -

"X the Man with X-Ray Eyes".

Though it's a Roger Corman cheapo, it's one of his better movies. And though I'm not a Ray Milland fan, I'd say he does excellent work here.

Probably, cuz I saw it as a pre-teen, the crazy "cosmic" ending really struck me both as shocking and profound. "XtMwXRE" remains a movie I kind of love.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 03, 2022 07:18 PM (5NkmN)

119 Tracy was very good in Fury

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 07:18 PM (Zzbjj)

120 115 I saw "The Fall" a number of years ago. I've recommended it to a number of my friends who are movie buffs but none of them have watched it that I know of.

I really enjoyed it. It has two story lines that intersect. One is real world and the other is some seriously trippy story telling.

I wonder if anyone here has seen it.
Posted by: pawn at September 03, 2022 07:17 PM (wsHtO)

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I own it. I think I saw it in theaters. It was one of those movies I got really excited about when it was coming out and couldn't get anyone else to care. It's really pretty and surprisingly moving (though Tarsem hasn't come close to matching it since).

The Blu-ray has become one of the most valuable in my collection. It went out of print years ago.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 07:18 PM (LvTSG)

121 118 my first Ray Milland was The Uninvited

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 07:19 PM (Zzbjj)

122 'Pitch Black' is a sneaky great movie. Not sure why that is, it just is.
Posted by: Puddleglum

Really like Pitch Black. I didn't find Chronicles of Riddick to be that good. I did quite enjoy looking at Vin Diesel and Karl Urban, though...

Posted by: She Hobbit at September 03, 2022 07:19 PM (ftFVW)

123 Re: let's find symbols in everything...

There's a movie with Elliot Gould called GETTING STRAIGHT. Too much campus revolution stuff in it (which I don't recall being in Ken Kolb's novel, but I've slept since I read it so I could be wrong), but the scene in which Gould goes bonkers during his master's degree exams after a prof suggests that Nick Carroway lusted after Jay Gatsby is priceless and worth the movie all by itself.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at September 03, 2022 07:19 PM (a/4+U)

124 Post-100 OT: Today, Cloudflare has caved to the troons and blocked Kiwi Farms citing "an unprecedented emergency and immediate threat to human life." Since the troon protest started a couple of weeks ago, CF has "proactively reached out to law enforcement in multiple jurisdictions."

https://archive.ph/ns8Ek

So unbelievably dangerous was the KF shitposting that the owner of the site, Josh Moon, wasn't notified about any of this from law enforcement.

https://archive.ph/tYiQE

Let this be a lesson unto you all: speech relating to mental illness, self-mutilation, degeneracy, and child predation that is anything but celebratory is violence. Kneel before your tranny overlords.

Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik is not spongeworthy at September 03, 2022 07:20 PM (DTX3h)

125 112. Many make it tedious and ruin the plot hunting for hidden depth.

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 07:20 PM (Zzbjj)

126 So was watching Kyoto Video's review of Lupin III: Mystery of Mamo when he dropped this scandalous tid bit in... one of the people in creating this anime movie had previously worked on a live action movie called Inflatable Sex Dolls of the Wasteland...

WTF? I think I shall skip ever trying to suss any information on this movie. Just to save my tattered remnants of sanity. Nyah

Posted by: Anna Puma at September 03, 2022 07:21 PM (Crf10)

127 I don't know what the symbolism was with the food in The Godfather but it was ever present.

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 07:21 PM (PmzDg)

128 I know I could buy it but I wish they would show "One Eyed Jacks" on the tube so I could record it

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 07:21 PM (us2H3)

129 127 I don't know what the symbolism was with the food in The Godfather but it was ever present.
Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 07:21 PM (PmzDg)

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Oranges signified death. No idea why, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 07:22 PM (LvTSG)

130 I did quite enjoy looking at Vin Diesel and Karl Urban, though...
Posted by: She Hobbit at September 03, 2022 07:19 PM (ftFVW)

Karl Urban mmm mmm mm

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at September 03, 2022 07:22 PM (gbzeC)

131 While on the subject of westerns, and while not really a movie, and while also rewritting this post numerous times trying to avoid the "This Looks Like Spam" warning, while trying just to mention the excellent film, "The Legend of Buster Scruggs" It's still worthy of watching. Excellent acting, no woke bullshit, no inner meaning that the actresses explain in excruciatingly painful detail later during their appearances on late night talk shows.

Ok, dammit, is that enough fucking edits for you, Mr. Algorithm?

Just good acting. Good storytelling. Coupled with some absolutely stunning visuals. That's all I wanted to say!

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 03, 2022 07:24 PM (CCf67)

132 Late but Def FURY is worth viewing. Brad Pitt is much more than a pretty face. That man can act.. ( I have a sneaking suspicion Pitt is related to Clark Gable in some way due to the same eyes.. ) Anyway a great movie that is well made and entertaining to the point of escapism...

Posted by: Commentor What Bought a Shrit at September 03, 2022 07:25 PM (9JFeL)

133 Agree, was surprised in a good way upon watching Solomon Kane the first time.
Posted by: She Hobbit at September 03, 2022 07:14 PM (ftFVW)

I actually felt guilty watching Solomon Kane... I just wanted to watch some bullcrap trashy movie one afternoon i was hung over and barely paying attention, and it actually turned out to be good!

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 03, 2022 07:25 PM (6FeV1)

134 Ok, dammit, is that enough fucking edits for you, Mr. Algorithm?

Posted by: Sticky Wicket

Ha! Yeah, I sometimes wonder how Sarah, Jennifer, and their many friends get past the filters but I somehow trip them.

Posted by: She Hobbit at September 03, 2022 07:26 PM (ftFVW)

135 Don't know if others feel this way but I think a bit of humor, might be subtle, really adds to an action and adventure movie. The Phantom, The Shadow, The Rocketeer, and John Carter of Mars are some examples. It helps if the film is sort of camp to start with and the titles above qualify.

Posted by: JTB at September 03, 2022 07:26 PM (7EjX1)

136 The two get into a physical confrontation that leads them to wrestling outside in the mud, made by a water hose. Knowing that we are in a piece of art, we can easily see what's going on here. It's not a random event just to make things look interesting, it's a penetrative look at the heart of the budding relationship. He is like the dirt. She is like the water. Combined, they make mud. It's enough to make one cry.

You use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar whore.

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 03, 2022 07:26 PM (BRHaw)

137 Links for movie you saw go to different movies.

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I don't think TJM has been entirely forthcoming about the movies he's been watching this fortnight...

Posted by: runner at September 03, 2022 07:26 PM (V13WU)

138 Movies as ART lose me. I must be incapable of perceiving all the symbolism, or understanding it, or caring.

Posted by: Javems at September 03, 2022 07:27 PM (AmoqO)

139 Mr Madison,

I wasn't aware of it's rarity. Explains why my friends haven't seen it.

It 's fantasy scenes are absolutely gorgeous. Someone told me the guy traveled all over the world to find the locations. I think it took him several years to complete it.

Thanks for the feedback.

Posted by: pawn at September 03, 2022 07:27 PM (wsHtO)

140 138 Movies as ART lose me. I must be incapable of perceiving all the symbolism, or understanding it, or caring.
Posted by: Javems at September 03, 2022 07:27 PM (AmoqO)

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Your move.

Putz.

Posted by: Death at September 03, 2022 07:28 PM (2VfHu)

141 'Pitch Black' is a sneaky great movie. Not sure why that is, it just is.
Posted by: Puddleglum at September 03, 2022 07:14 PM (sAmhv)

Anything with Claudia Black in it is worth watching.

Posted by: Javems at September 03, 2022 07:28 PM (AmoqO)

142 Don't know if others feel this way but I think a bit of humor, might be subtle, really adds to an action and adventure movie. The Phantom, The Shadow, The Rocketeer, and John Carter of Mars are some examples. It helps if the film is sort of camp to start with and the titles above qualify.
Posted by: JTB

I would add The Mummy to that list.

Posted by: She Hobbit at September 03, 2022 07:28 PM (ftFVW)

143 You people read things into these movies that are simply not there.

Hans shot first!

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 03, 2022 07:29 PM (BRHaw)

144 If a symbol has to be explained, or requires some kind of arcane knowledge that the averagely educated person wouldn't know, it was a crappy failure of a symbol.

Obviously a completely blatant symbol is hackery, but a fully opaque symbol is just authorial laziness.

Looking at you, Ezra Pound.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at September 03, 2022 07:29 PM (6FeV1)

145 138 Movies as ART lose me. I must be incapable of perceiving all the symbolism, or understanding it, or caring.
Posted by: Javems at September 03, 2022 07:27 PM (AmoqO)

Come on in
Grab a beer
Dont cost nothing

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 03, 2022 07:29 PM (BRHaw)

146 Seen Fury at least 2 times, and good chance if run across it will again.

Posted by: Skip at September 03, 2022 07:30 PM (k8B25)

147
143 You people read things into these movies that are simply not there.

Hans shot first!
Posted by: rhennigantx at September 03, 2022 07:29 PM (BRHaw)

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But he missed. Ho ho ho.

Posted by: John McLane at September 03, 2022 07:30 PM (2VfHu)

148 Ha! Yeah, I sometimes wonder how Sarah, Jennifer, and their many friends get past the filters but I somehow trip them.

Posted by: She Hobbit at September 03, 2022 07:26 PM (ftFVW)

I never realized I could touch-type with my fists until just then.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 03, 2022 07:32 PM (CCf67)

149 "You people read things into these movies that are simply not there."

I've always maintained that "UHF" is a movie about good and evil, people coming together to persevere and triumph, and a extraterrestrial.

Posted by: fd at September 03, 2022 07:33 PM (sn5EN)

150 I have never seen Lone Wolf McQuade but I just nothiced that RG Armstrong is in it

perennial bad guy

he is in Cable Houge on the tube

he was great in "the Fugitive Kind"

he was also in "Boss N*gger" with Fred Williamson

probably don't show that one much anymore

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 07:33 PM (us2H3)

151 M is a great example of movies with symbolism that works but is unnecessary for the understanding or even enjoyment of the film.

Essentially, it's possible to read the child murderer as representing Nazism. It was a disease that was taking the children of the German people. If you were to kill the man spreading the Nazism, it doesn't bring back the children for they are completely lost.

You can also see this sort of thing in the Dr. Mabuse films Lang made (all three of them). Mabuse is first the failings of Weimar, then the rise of Nazism, then the unshakable after effects of Nazism on Western Germany. It adds something to be able to see it, but the films still work as thrillers even without picking that up.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 07:33 PM (LvTSG)

152 Great, TJM covered McQuade...there goes my strategy for the rest of the year.

What'm I stuck with now? The Octagon? Silent Rage?

Posted by: moviegique at September 03, 2022 07:34 PM (asXVI)

153 You ever read Joe Bob Briggs movie reviews?

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 03, 2022 07:34 PM (BRHaw)

154 "You people read things into these movies that are simply not there."

I think that was John Lennon's view on his music

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 07:34 PM (us2H3)

155 152 Great, TJM covered McQuade...there goes my strategy for the rest of the year.

What'm I stuck with now? The Octagon? Silent Rage?
Posted by: moviegique at September 03, 2022 07:34 PM (asXVI)

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An extended retrospective on the entire run of Walker, Texas Ranger?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 07:34 PM (LvTSG)

156 an

Posted by: fd at September 03, 2022 07:34 PM (sn5EN)

157 R. G. Armstrong was in a few pretty good Fugitive episodes, not playing a bad guy, and he was delightful in them.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at September 03, 2022 07:35 PM (a/4+U)

158 ||An extended retrospective on the entire run of Walker, Texas Ranger?

I don't do TV. Well, maybe I could do those thigh-master things he pimps. The horde loves some good workout advice.

Posted by: moviegique at September 03, 2022 07:35 PM (asXVI)

159 I remember when we used to be able to edit comments.

Posted by: fd at September 03, 2022 07:36 PM (sn5EN)

160 The part of being buried and blasting out with the truck has to be one of the greatest pieces of film ever...and the memes of Sniper MQ taking people out as well.

Posted by: A dude in MI at September 03, 2022 07:37 PM (/6GbT)

161 gal should be gall.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 07:37 PM (dNqv+)

162 Best director ever was Samuel L Bronkowitz.

A Fistful of Yen,
That's Armageddon
Cleopatra Schwartz
Catholic High School Girls in Trouble

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 03, 2022 07:38 PM (BRHaw)

163 "You people read things into these movies that are simply not there."

What do you mean, 'you people'?!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 07:38 PM (dNqv+)

164 >>>What'm I stuck with now? The Octagon? Silent Rage?
Posted by: moviegique

>Billy Jack, man.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at September 03, 2022 07:39 PM (DOvc/)

165 I remember when we used to be able to edit comments.

Posted by: fd at September 03, 2022 07:36 PM (sn5EN)

Yes...yes! It always started with an haunting harmonica solo, if I recall.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 03, 2022 07:39 PM (CCf67)

166 Worst ever symbolism movie?

Mother

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 07:39 PM (PmzDg)

167 Chuck Norris can slam a revolving door.
Chuck Norris doesn't love Raymond

Posted by: A dude in MI at September 03, 2022 07:39 PM (/6GbT)

168 I think that was John Lennon's view on his music
Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 07:34 PM (us2H3)

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You mean Helter Skelter wasn't a call for a violent uprising of blacks that would be put down by triumphant white hippies who live in an old school bus in the middle of the Mojave desert?

Well, shit, this is embarrassing.

Posted by: C. Manson at September 03, 2022 07:39 PM (2VfHu)

169 I love well casted flicks, like King Rat and others

and when they miss, it bothers me

Criterion's been playing "Arabesque", which is meant to be one of those Hitchcockesque comedy thrillers in the same way as "Charade".

Only instead of Cary Grant. It's got Gregory Peck playing opposite Sophia Loren. And man, do you miss the light comedic touch that Grant could bring to this movie.

Gregory Peck does his best to imitate Grant only it's Ulysses S Grant.

"Arabesque" is still worth a watch. It's not awful, it's good. But, with Cary Grant it might've reached the heights of another "Charade".

Posted by: naturalfake at September 03, 2022 07:39 PM (5NkmN)

170 166 Worst ever symbolism movie?

Mother
Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 07:39 PM (PmzDg)

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It was nothing but symbols, except that it was so obvious that it felt like a student film, not the work of someone who'd been making movies for almost 20 years.

Darren Aronofsky is the Michael Bay of the arthouse cinema.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 07:40 PM (LvTSG)

171 An extended retrospective on the entire run of Walker, Texas Ranger?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 07:34 PM (LvTSG)

Things you did not do:
1. Ask my Mamaw anything during her stories.
2. Ask my Mamaw anything during Walker.
3. See rule 1 and 2.

Posted by: rhennigantx at September 03, 2022 07:40 PM (BRHaw)

172 If McQuade had two wolves, would have been called Two Wolf McQuade?

Posted by: fd at September 03, 2022 07:40 PM (sn5EN)

173 I love well casted flicks, like King Rat and others

King Rat is an amazing movie. I bought that one, and watch it frequently. It's just good.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 03, 2022 07:41 PM (CCf67)

174 What'm I stuck with now? The Octagon? Silent Rage?
Posted by: moviegique at September 03, 2022 07:34 PM (asXVI)

Neil Breen made around five movies. That should keep you busy.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 03, 2022 07:41 PM (qH6FZ)

175 I do remember watching Walking Tall in the theater and people spontaneously cheering and clapping at the end.

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 07:41 PM (PmzDg)

176 If McQuade had two wolves, would have been called Two Wolf McQuade?
Posted by: fd at September 03, 2022 07:40 PM (sn5EN)

—————

He was until Marty McFly ran over one of them with a Delorean.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 03, 2022 07:42 PM (u73oe)

177 121 118 my first Ray Milland was The Uninvited
Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 07:19 PM (Zzbjj)

that had Gail Russel in it, who was on track to be a star until the perennial bad girl, Helen Walker, gave her a drink to calm her stage fright

it was all down hil from there

found in a flop house surrounded by empties, dead at 36

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 07:42 PM (us2H3)

178 I remember a Steve Buscemi movie where Peter Dinklage walked around a bride while holding up an apple.

Now that was symbolism, or some shit.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 03, 2022 07:42 PM (2VfHu)

179 Ever since I dumped my service provider and connect with T-Mobile 5g internet I added ROKU WOW!! To make a long story short I will add the streaming channel VUDU Fandango free genre includes hundreds ofr movies and not the tired same same crap on Peaco0ck,Hulu even Netflix.. Just sayin B movies some with foreign actors (ie:British) some great little finds in there. Half the fun is the search!!! Enjoy

Posted by: Commentor What Bought a Shrit at September 03, 2022 07:43 PM (9JFeL)

180 The most ham handed use of symbolism ever was the final episode of Sons of Anarchy.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 03, 2022 07:44 PM (u73oe)

181

Trump speaking now from Wilks-Barre, PA!

rumble.com

Posted by: Zettai at September 03, 2022 07:44 PM (+BHcE)

182 Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 03, 2022 07:41 PM (CCf67)

the book is great also

Clavell spent some time in a Nip camp

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 07:44 PM (us2H3)

183 "King Rat" is definitely one of my top ten movies.

Whenever someone asks me what I think is a "great" movie.

"King Rat" immediately comes to mind.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 03, 2022 07:44 PM (5NkmN)

184 King Rat is an amazing movie. I bought that one, and watch it frequently. It's just good.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 03, 2022 07:41 PM (CCf67)

King Rat > The Great Escape > Stalag 17 > Bridge Over River the River Kwai

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 07:44 PM (PmzDg)

185

WilkEs-Barre

Posted by: Zettai at September 03, 2022 07:44 PM (+BHcE)

186 A near miss....

Stalag 17. Good acting, but they hammed things up with a lot of idiotic, and inappropriate gags, and humor. It was almost a great movie.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 03, 2022 07:45 PM (CCf67)

187 Marty Robbins has thoughts of El Paso, and Feleena:

https://youtu.be/7UVVS5-9HvA

Posted by: Sharkman at September 03, 2022 07:46 PM (Gda1b)

188 It's pronounced "Wilks Bare"

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 03, 2022 07:46 PM (CCf67)

189 Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 03, 2022 07:45 PM (CCf67)

The Christmas Party scene should be rewritten and reshot with movie magic. That's how bad I thought it was.

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 07:47 PM (PmzDg)

190 What'm I stuck with now? The Octagon? Silent Rage?
Posted by: moviegique

A full retrospective of the Deathwish movies would be timely.

Posted by: She Hobbit at September 03, 2022 07:48 PM (ftFVW)

191 Aside from the excesses of the Transformers movies, I have a hard time thinking of bad Michael bay moves: *looks up filmography*

Bad Boys: good
The Rock: Great
Armageddon: Good to great
Pearl Harbor: never saw it but I heard was meh
Bad Boys II: good
The Island: that was Dicaprio?
Transformers: The first one was at least fun, it was novel to have a live action remake of a beloved childhood tv show- with the original Optimus Prime voice!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 07:48 PM (dNqv+)

192 If you’re ever buried alive in your truck, it’s best if that truck has turbochargers.

Or be driving a Berserker.

Posted by: DaveA at September 03, 2022 07:49 PM (FhXTo)

193 Nice essay, TJM. There's too much philosophizin' about the deep meaning of cinema, and anyway, we bring ourselves to the film with all our inevitable prejudices and experiences, so everybody has a valid point (except about Prometheus, which is garbage).

I saw "Day For Night" the other evening. Truffaut's director character has a library of serious auteur theory he's studying, but the reality is he's doing everything by the skin of his teeth and the story and characters are developing on the fly reflecting all the drama happening backstage. It's a funny and touching film.

"Making a film is like a stagecoach ride in the old west. When you start, you are hoping for a pleasant trip. By the halfway point, you just hope to survive."

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 03, 2022 07:49 PM (Dc2NZ)

194 Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 07:48 PM (dNqv+)

Island was Mcgregor

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 07:50 PM (PmzDg)

195 193 I saw "Day For Night" the other evening. Truffaut's director character has a library of serious auteur theory he's studying, but the reality is he's doing everything by the skin of his teeth and the story and characters are developing on the fly reflecting all the drama happening backstage. It's a funny and touching film.

"Making a film is like a stagecoach ride in the old west. When you start, you are hoping for a pleasant trip. By the halfway point, you just hope to survive."
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 03, 2022 07:49 PM (Dc2NZ)

========

I haven't seen Day for Night in forever. One day, I'll do a Truffaut run.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 07:50 PM (LvTSG)

196 Ewan McGregor

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 07:51 PM (PmzDg)

197 King Rat > The Great Escape > Stalag 17 > Bridge Over River the River Kwai
Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 07:44 PM (PmzDg)

King Rat did away with the idiotic attempts at humor. It was dirty, gritty, and raw.

The great escape, Stalag 17, Bridge Over the River Kwai...Fuck you, and fuck you, and oh...fuck you.

I love gritty realism. Also, Das Boot would be a great contender here.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 03, 2022 07:51 PM (CCf67)

198 You know an odd thing about symbolism: As a kid, I never got the Christ-Superman thing, and I am still not sure it works. However, with Superman Returns it was thrown in there and they have been riffing on it ever since. One of the reasons I think they miss what is good and great about Superman.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 07:52 PM (dNqv+)

199 191 Aside from the excesses of the Transformers movies, I have a hard time thinking of bad Michael bay moves: *looks up filmography*

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 07:48 PM (dNqv+)

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I actually like Bay a fair bit. By comparing Aronofsky to him, I don't mean to imply that both are talentless hacks.

I mean to imply that Aronofsky is all bombast and little substance.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 07:52 PM (LvTSG)

200 Trump going right at the DOJ/FBI

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 07:52 PM (us2H3)

201 I thought "13 Hours" was great.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 03, 2022 07:52 PM (qH6FZ)

202 "The Chase" is a good stoic sheriff movie. Had Marlin Brando, Angi Dickinson, Jane Fonda, Robert Redford, Robert Duvall, E.G Marshall. Showed what a face looks like after a good beating. Directed by Arthur Penn in 1966.

Posted by: Javems at September 03, 2022 07:53 PM (AmoqO)

203 178 I remember a Steve Buscemi movie where Peter Dinklage walked around a bride while holding up an apple.

Now that was symbolism, or some shit.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero43) at September 03, 2022 07:42 PM (2VfHu)
---

It and he were great! it's "Living in Oblivion" and his character said this about the symbolism:

Tito: Why does my character have to be a dwarf?
Nick: He doesn't have to be.
Tito: Then why is he? Is that the only way you can make this a dream, to put a dwarf in it?
Nick: No, Tito, I...
Tito: Have you ever had a dream with a dwarf in it? Do you know anyone who's had a dream with a dwarf in it? No! I don't even have dreams with dwarves in them. The only place I've seen dwarves in dreams is in stupid movies like this! "Oh make it weird, put a dwarf in it!". Everyone will go "Woah, this must be a fuckin' dream, there's a fuckin' dwarf in it!". Well I'm sick of it! You can take this dream sequence and stick it up your ass!

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 03, 2022 07:53 PM (Dc2NZ)

204 198 You know an odd thing about symbolism: As a kid, I never got the Christ-Superman thing, and I am still not sure it works. However, with Superman Returns it was thrown in there and they have been riffing on it ever since. One of the reasons I think they miss what is good and great about Superman.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 07:52 PM (dNqv+)

=======

Superman was Moses, not Jesus, but Jesus is easier to recall and imply import. Singer's take on Superman is so weirdly reverential, like he was a holy figure. I like the film, but it's still pretty weird in that regard.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 07:53 PM (LvTSG)

205 I love gritty realism. Also, Das Boot would be a great contender here.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 03, 2022 07:51 PM (CCf67)

I was rating POW movies. Das Boot was one of my father's favorite movies.

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 07:54 PM (PmzDg)

206 I thought I might be wrong... Ewan MacGreggor and... Scarlett Johansen? Or am I completely off?

Which one was DiCaprio? I remember the trailer for one where DiCaprio is on an island... being hunted... and they show a little training montage in the trailer. It looked pathetic.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 07:54 PM (dNqv+)

207 Saw "Lifeforce" the other night and "The Stuntman" last night. Liked both for very different reasons having nothing to do with Steve Railsback.

May have to watch Lawrence of Arabia tonight. Peter O'Toole was an incredible talent.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 03, 2022 07:55 PM (Gda1b)

208 I saw a minor miracle the other night. A "woke" thriller that was actually a good movie.

"I Came By" is a nasty little thriller currently streaming on Netflix. The acting and directing are very well done. The script has some nice and genuinely shocking twists. And the tension ratchets up efficiently.

The problem is that this is one of those movies where "character/personality" is almost strictly generated by barfing out some woke/SJW talking point. However, the movie mechanics take care of this as the danger increases, and soon really isn't an annoyance at all.

Check it out. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. I was.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 03, 2022 07:55 PM (5NkmN)

209 Tito: Have you ever had a dream with a dwarf in it? Do you know anyone who's had a dream with a dwarf in it? No! I don't even have dreams with dwarves in them. The only place I've seen dwarves in dreams is in stupid movies like this! "Oh make it weird, put a dwarf in it!". Everyone will go "Woah, this must be a fuckin' dream, there's a fuckin' dwarf in it!". Well I'm sick of it! You can take this dream sequence and stick it up your ass!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 03, 2022 07:53 PM (Dc2NZ)

I am pretty sure David Lynch has dreams about dwarfs.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 07:56 PM (dNqv+)

210 Mmmm, Barbara Carrera!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 03, 2022 07:56 PM (bkUtD)

211 King Rat > The Great Escape > Stalag 17 > Bridge Over River the River Kwai
Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 07:44 PM (PmzDg)

James Donald was in all but Stalag 17

"you're a liar Stevens, you're a liar and you shave your legs

but you care"

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 07:57 PM (us2H3)

212 Which one was DiCaprio? I remember the trailer for one where DiCaprio is on an island... being hunted... and they show a little training montage in the trailer. It looked pathetic.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

The Beach. Also has Tilda Swinton.

Posted by: She Hobbit at September 03, 2022 07:58 PM (ftFVW)

213 210 Mmmm, Barbara Carrera!
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 03, 2022 07:56 PM (bkUtD)

A definite 1, but has an odd cast to her features. Genetics is weird sometimes.

https://tinyurl.com/9nxmtuuh

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 07:58 PM (dNqv+)

214 Your move.

Putz.

Posted by: Death at September 03, 2022 07:28 PM (2VfHu)

Pbbbbbttttt..

Posted by: Javems at September 03, 2022 07:58 PM (AmoqO)

215 212 Which one was DiCaprio? I remember the trailer for one where DiCaprio is on an island... being hunted... and they show a little training montage in the trailer. It looked pathetic.
Posted by: Aetius451AD

The Beach. Also has Tilda Swinton.
Posted by: She Hobbit at September 03, 2022 07:58 PM (ftFVW)

========

Danny Boyle is in the top tier of working filmmakers today, but The Beach was a misstep.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 07:59 PM (LvTSG)

216 The Beach. Also has Tilda Swinton.
Posted by: She Hobbit at September 03, 2022 07:58 PM (ftFVW)

Speaking of 'odd cast to features.'

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 07:59 PM (dNqv+)

217 Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 07:57 PM (us2H3)

And William Holden was in two of them.

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 08:00 PM (PmzDg)

218 Tito: Have you ever had a dream with a dwarf in it? Do you know anyone who's had a dream with a dwarf in it? No! I don't even have dreams with dwarves in them. The only place I've seen dwarves in dreams is in stupid movies like this! "Oh make it weird, put a dwarf in it!". Everyone will go "Woah, this must be a fuckin' dream, there's a fuckin' dwarf in it!". Well I'm sick of it! You can take this dream sequence and stick it up your ass!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 03, 2022 07:53 PM (Dc2NZ)

I am pretty sure David Lynch has dreams about dwarfs.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 07:56 PM

Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sun god robes on top of a pyramid with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?

Posted by: Chris Knight at September 03, 2022 08:00 PM (asZuX)

219 To echo Zettai and because until recently I did not know.

rumble.com/rsbn

will set you right where you'd need to be.

Posted by: micky at September 03, 2022 08:00 PM (3byMq)

220 Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sun god robes on top of a pyramid with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?
Posted by: Chris Knight at September 03, 2022 08:00 PM (asZuX)

I believe they are called Gherkins.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 08:01 PM (dNqv+)

221 Our nation needs more Chuck Norris.

We need 100 million Chuck Norrises.

Dude. Can you even imagine?

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 03, 2022 08:01 PM (U2p+3)

222 Real Genius is an underappreciated classic.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 08:01 PM (dNqv+)

223 I was rating POW movies. Das Boot was one of my father's favorite movies.

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 07:54 PM (PmzDg)

I get it, and I agree. The biggest let down in WWII POW movies for me was Stalag 17.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 03, 2022 08:01 PM (CCf67)

224 The Great Escape.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 08:02 PM (dNqv+)

225 Real Genius is an underappreciated classic.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 08:01 PM

Truth.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 03, 2022 08:03 PM (asZuX)

226 I mean to imply that Aronofsky is all bombast and little substance.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 07:52 PM (LvTSG)

"Pi" is his best movie. It was all downhill after that.

Ackshewally, "Pi" would make a great B&W bizarro-transformation double feature with-

"Tetsuo: The Iron Man"

Minds will be blown, people. Minds will be blown.

Pro Tip: Liquor might help.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 03, 2022 08:03 PM (5NkmN)

227 You can take this dream sequence and stick it up your ass!
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes

Hear hear!

Most dream sequences are a complete waste of time. Unless it's horror and the dream presents real danger.

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at September 03, 2022 08:03 PM (gbzeC)

228 The biggest let down in WWII POW movies for me was Stalag 17.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 03, 2022 08:01 PM

Shhhh...don't tell Sefton.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 03, 2022 08:04 PM (asZuX)

229 Most dream sequences are a complete waste of time. Unless it's horror and the dream presents real danger.
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at September 03, 2022 08:03 PM

This 'ette gets it.

Posted by: Freddy Krueger at September 03, 2022 08:05 PM (asZuX)

230 Someone mentioned Scarlett Johansen, and so I get to remind everyone of her role in Eight Legged Freaks!

That's how this works, right?

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 03, 2022 08:05 PM (CCf67)

231 I guess vmom is not a fan of DreamScape.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 08:05 PM (dNqv+)

232 I'm not a dream sequence fan.

Lately it seems like a lot of horror movies doubling or tripling up the dream-wakeup thing and...yeah, it was good when John Landis did it 40 years ago ONCE but don't go "Too Many Cooks" on me here.

Posted by: moviegique at September 03, 2022 08:06 PM (asXVI)

233 Saw "Lifeforce" the other night and "The Stuntman" last night. Liked both for very different reasons having nothing to do with Steve Railsback.

The last Steve Railsback movie I saw was "The Blue Monkey".

Kind of an Canadian Alien ripoff set in a hospital.

The movie was alright. I like Railsback as an actor but his rise then fall sure was swift

Posted by: naturalfake at September 03, 2022 08:06 PM (5NkmN)

234 "The biggest let down in WWII POW movies for me was Stalag 17."

Catch-22 for me, and I usually like Buck Heny's writing.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 03, 2022 08:06 PM (qH6FZ)

235 230 Someone mentioned Scarlett Johansen, and so I get to remind everyone of her role in Eight Legged Freaks!

That's how this works, right?
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 03, 2022 08:05 PM (CCf67)

Dammit, what was that guy's name? Another in a long line of guys and galls who was in everything for a very short time and then disappeared. Related to Courtney Cox? Her brother, maybe?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 08:07 PM (dNqv+)

236 Someone mentioned Scarlett Johansen, and so I get to remind everyone of her role in Eight Legged Freaks!

That's how this works, right?
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 03, 2022 08:05 PM

Until AtC gets here, yeah.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 03, 2022 08:07 PM (asZuX)

237 I guess vmom is not a fan of DreamScape.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 08:05 PM (dNqv+)

How about Inception?

( I liked Dreamscape by the way)

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 08:07 PM (PmzDg)

238 "The biggest let down in WWII POW movies for me was Stalag 17."

Sorry, didn't notice POW. In that case, the Bruce Willis one.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 03, 2022 08:08 PM (qH6FZ)

239 I get it, and I agree. The biggest let down in WWII POW movies for me was Stalag 17.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 03, 2022 08:01 PM (CCf67)
-------

You only say that because Mr. Phelps was the bad guy.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at September 03, 2022 08:08 PM (5pTK/)

240 ( I liked Dreamscape by the way)
Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 08:07 PM (PmzDg)

Dreamscape was a very cool concept and around peak Kate Capshaw.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 08:08 PM (dNqv+)

241 Dammit, what was that guy's name? Another in a long line of guys and galls who was in everything for a very short time and then disappeared. Related to Courtney Cox? Her brother, maybe?
Posted by: Aetius451AD

Do you mean David Arquette? He was married to Courtney Cox for a time.

Posted by: She Hobbit at September 03, 2022 08:09 PM (ftFVW)

242 Catch-22 for me, and I usually like Buck Heny's writing.
Posted by: lowandslow at September 03, 2022 08:06 PM (qH6FZ)

this I agree with

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 08:09 PM (us2H3)

243 After four years of high school college prep English, two semesters of English Lit, two semesters of American Lit, two semesters of World Lit, I could have explained the deeper, hidden mystery of every word of a Barbara Cartland romance. It took a few years for me to get past that particular mindset and learn to enjoy a novel as nothing more than a pleasant pastime.

I suspect that type of thinking lurks in the mind of all critics, whether they be art, movie, food, book, whatever. The critic always has to search for meaning because that is what his thought processes have been trained to do.

I really don't think deep thoughts about movies because movies are not in my wheelhouse. I watch movies for fun. There was about a ten year span when I became a world class expert on kids movies because I had a grandson I took to lunch and a movie twice a month. (Long story.) I enjoyed most of these movies, mostly because I avoided the ones that didn't appeal to me.

The point is: evidently McBride took himself way too seriously, bought into his own PR. Not good.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at September 03, 2022 08:09 PM (9SjWf)

244 Ahhh, david arquette and married to Cox, but related to a bunch of other cocks.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 08:09 PM (dNqv+)

245
You only say that because Mr. Phelps was the bad guy.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing

BIOGRAPHY!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 03, 2022 08:10 PM (63Dwl)

246 Byron York has a good take on Biden up on the Examiner

he thinks Biden is so out of it, he doesn't realize what he says from one day to the next

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 08:10 PM (us2H3)

247 I have to say I loved the dream sequence in Fast Times at Ridgemont High . I might have repeated that a couple of times in my own dreams,

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 08:10 PM (PmzDg)

248 247 I have to say I loved the dream sequence in Fast Times at Ridgemont High . I might have repeated that a couple of times in my own dreams,
Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 08:10 PM (PmzDg)

Yes. This was a seminal moment in film history development.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 08:12 PM (dNqv+)

249 I think it's kind of funny, I think it's kind of sad
the dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had

that's not really a joke.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 03, 2022 08:12 PM (r46W7)

250 222 Real Genius is an underappreciated classic.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 08:01 PM (dNqv+)

And getting BD release this month.

Posted by: Bete at September 03, 2022 08:12 PM (Tlfom)

251 Anyone planning on watching "My Son Hunter"? I think I'll try it, I'm not a huge fan of narrating through the 4th wall type stuff though.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 03, 2022 08:12 PM (qH6FZ)

252 I have to say I loved the dream sequence in Fast Times at Ridgemont High . I might have repeated that a couple of times in my own dreams,
Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 08:10 PM

*sigh* Phoebe Cates..

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 03, 2022 08:12 PM (asZuX)

253 I think in a following book, King and Marlowe meet up again after the war but only briefly

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 08:13 PM (us2H3)

254 And getting BD release this month.
Posted by: Bete at September 03, 2022 08:12 PM (Tlfom)

Cool.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 08:13 PM (dNqv+)

255 I think it's kind of funny, I think it's kind of sad
the dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had

that's not really a joke.
Posted by: Tom Servo

You know, it's a mad world, man.

Posted by: Tears for Fears at September 03, 2022 08:13 PM (ftFVW)

256 249 I think it's kind of funny, I think it's kind of sad
the dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had

that's not really a joke.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 03, 2022 08:12 PM (r46W7)

A cover of which was used to great effect in the Gears of War trailer.

Upon reflection there was a horrific plague of grey games in the early 2000s.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 08:14 PM (dNqv+)

257 Just came in, Trump rally on C-span

Posted by: Skip at September 03, 2022 08:14 PM (k8B25)

258 my 2 favorite war moves are "Die Hard" and "Caddyshack"

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 08:14 PM (us2H3)

259 Clavell spent some time in a Nip camp

Posted by: REDACTED

Everything Clavell wrote was brilliant, in my humble opinion.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 03, 2022 08:14 PM (Gda1b)

260
he thinks Biden is so out of it, he doesn't realize what he says from one day to the next
Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 08:10 PM (us2H3)

Bidet has time where he gets lost trying to find the end of the sentence.

Posted by: Bete at September 03, 2022 08:14 PM (Tlfom)

261 I think it's kind of funny, I think it's kind of sad
the dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had

that's not really a joke.
Posted by: Tom Servo

Not dying but dreams where I'm in real danger are my favorite.

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 08:14 PM (PmzDg)

262 Our nation needs more Chuck Norris.

We need 100 million Chuck Norrises.

Dude. Can you even imagine?
Posted by: nurse ratched
---

You want Chuck Norris's
You'd settle for Charles Bronson's
You get Peter Strozk's

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 03, 2022 08:15 PM (MrUzB)

263 I like movies where a professional woman, recently divorced, has to return to her hometown to save the family business, but she still doesn't get along with her mom for some reason, and also there's this guy in town that wants to buy the business and turn it into a strip mine or something and they're at odds with each other but then she finds out that secretly he rescues dogs or something, and she likes dogs too, and then they kiss, but no tongues

Posted by: DB at September 03, 2022 08:16 PM (geLO8)

264 Love Joe Bob Briggs' movie review. He's really old but never not funny.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 03, 2022 08:16 PM (Gda1b)

265 Posted by: DB at September 03, 2022 08:16 PM (geLO8

You watch a lot of Hallmark do ya?

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 08:17 PM (PmzDg)

266 when I dream, I'm always drunk

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 08:17 PM (us2H3)

267 and then she and her mom and the guy go on a picnic, and a dog steals a chicken leg from the basket, and they go after the dog, THE END

Posted by: DB at September 03, 2022 08:17 PM (geLO8)

268 Posted by: DB at September 03, 2022 08:16 PM (geLO

Every Hallmark movie ever

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at September 03, 2022 08:18 PM (gbzeC)

269 Hmmm, interesting article linked at Insty about Hydrogen production at room temp. My bullshit alarms are going off.

How much energy goes into forming the aluminum-gallium composite?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 08:18 PM (dNqv+)

270 I am familiar with the genre
Joe Theismann was in a HM movie with a football theme-
see, there was this professional woman, recently divorced, and

Posted by: DB at September 03, 2022 08:19 PM (geLO8)

271 I have a dream where we are moving and I have to keep going back again and again to get more stuff. More of a nightmare really. There is always more stuff.

Posted by: fd at September 03, 2022 08:19 PM (sn5EN)

272 I like movies where a professional woman, recently divorced, has to return to her hometown to save the family business, but she still doesn't get along with her mom for some reason, and also there's this guy in town that wants to buy the business and turn it into a strip mine or something and they're at odds with each other but then she finds out that secretly he rescues dogs or something, and she likes dogs too, and then they kiss, but no tongues
Posted by: DB

You called?

Posted by: Judith Light at September 03, 2022 08:20 PM (LsEU/)

273
A cover of which was used to great effect in the Gears of War trailer.

I remember that, looked it up - I still think that is one of the best game trailers ever made. Short and brilliant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccWrbGEFgI8

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 03, 2022 08:21 PM (r46W7)

274 It took a few years for me to get past that particular mindset and learn to enjoy a novel as nothing more than a pleasant pastime.
--------

Having binged on P.D James in recent months, I have been somewhat taken by her writing . To the extent that I do not pay as much attention to the plot, per se, as I would ordinarily.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 03, 2022 08:21 PM (okiAz)

275 Die Hard is a Christmas movie

Posted by: Skip at September 03, 2022 08:21 PM (k8B25)

276 275 Die Hard is a Christmas movie
Posted by: Skip at September 03, 2022 08:21 PM (k8B25)

========

Christmas is a Die Hard holiday.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 08:21 PM (LvTSG)

277 271 I have a dream where we are moving and I have to keep going back again and again to get more stuff. More of a nightmare really. There is always more stuff.
Posted by: fd at September 03, 2022 08:19 PM (sn5EN)

I have variations of this fairly often.

Posted by: Bete at September 03, 2022 08:22 PM (Tlfom)

278 I have a dream where we are moving and I have to keep going back again and again to get more stuff. More of a nightmare really. There is always more stuff.
Posted by: fd
------

You might want to avoid Berserker's posts.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 03, 2022 08:22 PM (okiAz)

279 271 I have a dream where we are moving and I have to keep going back again and again to get more stuff. More of a nightmare really. There is always more stuff.
Posted by: fd at September 03, 2022 08:19 PM (sn5EN)

The last stem winder I had involved:
-I am in a convoy of cars with my employees from work.
-the guy in front of me stops short for some reason and I tap the back of his car.
-I lean out through the windshield and push the cars apart.
-We are stopped at a railroad crossing. There is a car with a guy in it, passed out.
-a train starts coming, very slowly. I call out but make no move to rescue him (neither does anyone else.)
-suddenly we are in a forest, still in cars, still at a railroad crossing with a guy passed out behind the wheel.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 08:22 PM (dNqv+)

280 I submit that The Godfather is a Christmas movie

"Go show Carlo the tree."

Posted by: DB at September 03, 2022 08:23 PM (geLO8)

281 One of my favorite dreams which I've had twice is me taking off in a piper cub type plane , once with passengers and once without, knowing I did not know really how to fly and really really had no idea how to land. I didn't panic though and spent the rest of the dream trying to figure out what I needed to do but woke up before I had to do anything.

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 08:23 PM (PmzDg)

282 Kay and Michael Christmas shopping in New York

Posted by: DB at September 03, 2022 08:24 PM (geLO8)

283 I had a dream where I had to get someplace really important about 10 miles away, and the car wouldn't start and all I could find to ride was a kids tricycle.

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 03, 2022 08:25 PM (r46W7)

284 Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 08:22 PM (dNqv+)

Do you guys drink on the job a lot ? 😁

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 08:25 PM (PmzDg)

285 *sigh* Phoebe Cates..

Posted by: RedMindBlueState

She's been married to Kevin Kline since 1989. Lucky bastard.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 03, 2022 08:25 PM (Gda1b)

286 -suddenly, the train hits the car and there is a Army of Darkness geyser of blood and body parts go everywhere.
-so we decide to go over to the little outdoor cafe right next to us that I did not notice.
-then accident investigators show up- in hazmat suits.
-there is something strange here that I cannot remember involving Pappaw. The investigators are acting suspicious.
-suddenly there is a blue-pink toxic cloud and everyone starts screaming and running.
-I cover my mouth and run, but start spitting out the cascade of teeth.
-then I woke up.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 08:25 PM (dNqv+)

287 "I have variations of this fairly often.
Posted by: Bete"

It's such a relief when I wake up.

Posted by: fd at September 03, 2022 08:26 PM (sn5EN)

288 All the 1970 and 1980's TV Movies about rape or abuse kept all the TV comedienne actresses from 1960's in work.
Elizabeth Montgomery took a lot of abuse back then.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 03, 2022 08:27 PM (qH6FZ)

289 Clavelle gave me an interest in Japanese history. I read Shogun, watched the mini series, then went digging. No internet those days, just plain, old fashioned research by way of dead tree books. I really miss the old card catalogues. Find the relevant Dewey Decimal number, go to the right shelf, scoop up everything with that number, then spend the next few days reading.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at September 03, 2022 08:27 PM (9SjWf)

290 288 All the 1970 and 1980's TV Movies about rape or abuse kept all the TV comedienne actresses from 1960's in work.
Elizabeth Montgomery took a lot of abuse back then.
Posted by: lowandslow at September 03, 2022 08:27 PM (qH6FZ)

She was also a 1. Naughty minx.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 08:28 PM (dNqv+)

291 and I've had some dreams in other worlds, not this one. They're rare, but they're the best. One was fantastic, on an island in the sea, and it wasn't until it was just about over when I realized why the sky was green and the jungle was scarlet. (yes I dream in color)

Posted by: Tom Servo at September 03, 2022 08:28 PM (r46W7)

292 I didn't panic though and spent the rest of the dream trying to figure out what I needed to do but woke up before I had to do anything.

Posted by: polynikes

I frequently have dreams where I am flying without the aid of mechanical means, swooping from near ground level to 100K feet. The dreams are usually in color with a narrator, as well. They last half the night, it seems and I always wake up with a sense of wonder. Been having that dream all my life.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 03, 2022 08:28 PM (Gda1b)

293 288 All the 1970 and 1980's TV Movies about rape or abuse kept all the TV comedienne actresses from 1960's in work.
Elizabeth Montgomery took a lot of abuse back then.
Posted by: lowandslow at September 03, 2022 08:27 PM (qH6FZ)

Cannon Films feels overlooked.

Posted by: Bete at September 03, 2022 08:28 PM (Tlfom)

294 The dreams are usually in color with a narrator, as well.
Posted by: Sharkman

If your dreams are narrated by Zombie John Facenda, they may be the most epic dreams ever!!

Posted by: Tonypete at September 03, 2022 08:31 PM (LsEU/)

295 Weird Al Story

https://youtu.be/0hwJpA0m8EY

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 03, 2022 08:31 PM (ybIRR)

296 Gonna pop Adam Nimoy's "For the Love of Spock" into the player.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 03, 2022 08:31 PM (Dc2NZ)

297 sometimes Trump's inner Jackie Mason comes out

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 08:31 PM (us2H3)

298 I had a dream where I had to get someplace really important about 10 miles away, and the car wouldn't start and all I could find to ride was a kids tricycle.
Posted by: Tom Servo at September 03, 2022 08:25 PM (r46W7)
---
Maybe it's prophetic about where we will all be in two years...

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 03, 2022 08:31 PM (K5n5d)

299

Space Force!

Posted by: Zettai at September 03, 2022 08:31 PM (URyFu)

300 Posted by: Sharkman at September 03, 2022 08:28 PM (Gda1b)

Yes I love those dreams also but mine are always too short .

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 08:32 PM (PmzDg)

301 I be has a importent message regarding the Brattleboro FART Tube program and the current FART Tube Scam. We be has been notified of counterfeet FART Tubes that can be hazaadous to the environment because they be allows Human Green Horse Gaes to escape into the air befour proper disposal. Anyone who be has uinformation on this Scam or be has conterfit FART Tubes shoulds be turned into the Brattleboro Womyns Reproductove Center four proper and environmentally safe disposal. Please does not use these countefit tubes because they be dangerous to the environmint.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at September 03, 2022 08:33 PM (LrYuZ)

302 All my dreams are in color.

Posted by: polynikes at September 03, 2022 08:33 PM (PmzDg)

303 If you want to sample the avewrage of commentors here just post a movie thread.. wow can we update the comments to more current movies? .. Hello it is now the year 2022 and Edward G and Humphrey are long deceased...

Posted by: Commentor What Bought a Shrit at September 03, 2022 08:34 PM (9JFeL)

304 polynikes, send me a picture of your painting, please.

Posted by: Ben Had at September 03, 2022 08:34 PM (9eFjC)

305 303 If you want to sample the avewrage of commentors here just post a movie thread.. wow can we update the comments to more current movies? .. Hello it is now the year 2022 and Edward G and Humphrey are long deceased...
Posted by: Commentor What Bought a Shrit at September 03, 2022 08:34 PM (9JFeL)

Just for that, I am going to buy Fatman and watch it!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 08:34 PM (dNqv+)

306 all my dreams have Hedy in them

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 08:35 PM (us2H3)

307 I want to see more cymbalism in movies: people banging cymbals. Dwarves preferably. It can't just be that. Of course. But imagine Saving Private Ryan or Shakespeare in Love - but with dwarves just banging away on those cymbals. Better. Much better.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 03, 2022 08:35 PM (KFhLj)

308 Getting a new nic in the mix after reading Susan Rice's pre-martial law speech given by Grandpa Joe. Molen Labe, Susan.

Posted by: motionview, a MAGA Republican (who supports DeSantis) at September 03, 2022 08:35 PM (ICvs1)

309 Mike Hammer: Yes, the writing itself is very important. One of my best years was the year I discovered both Lindsey Davis and Margaret Maron. In fact, after I closed my bookstore, I spent the next year rereading my favorite series in order, one right after the other, simply to enjoy the entire story arc in one swell foop, rather than trying to remember last year's story line.

I think my saddest critique of a book, or a movie, or even a meal is: Good concept, lousy execution.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at September 03, 2022 08:35 PM (9SjWf)

310 My year-long deep dive into warhammer novels reminded me of Starcraft, which of course came after. Watching the Gears of War has me thinking about who borrowed from whom.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 03, 2022 08:35 PM (ybIRR)

311 Mary,

I just purchased 1,000 FART Tubes from Amazon and want to know how do I get a refund for being scammed ??

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 03, 2022 08:35 PM (20SKS)

312 Also, I liked The Beach.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at September 03, 2022 08:35 PM (KFhLj)

313 306 all my dreams have Hedy in them

That is Hedly, I repeat Headly Lamar....

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 03, 2022 08:37 PM (20SKS)

314 > wow can we update the comments to more current movies? .. Hello it is now the year 2022 and Edward G and Humphrey are long deceased...

Posted by: Commentor What Bought a Shrit

you been here before? also- what's a 'shrit'

Posted by: DB at September 03, 2022 08:37 PM (geLO8)

315 303 If you want to sample the avewrage of commentors here just post a movie thread.. wow can we update the comments to more current movies? .. Hello it is now the year 2022 and Edward G and Humphrey are long deceased...
Posted by: Commentor What Bought a Shrit at September 03, 2022 08:34 PM (9JFeL)

=========

More current movies get discussed pretty regularly through the week.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 08:38 PM (LvTSG)

316 310 My year-long deep dive into warhammer novels reminded me of Starcraft, which of course came after. Watching the Gears of War has me thinking about who borrowed from whom.
Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 03, 2022 08:35 PM (ybIRR)

Game novels, in my experience seem to be about the same level. No real peaks or valleys. Of course, I have not read them all. How are the warhammer ones? It is an interesting universe.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 08:38 PM (dNqv+)

317 The only film with worse choreographed fight scenes than Lone Wolf McQuade is Road House, still, both of those films are great fun watches.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 03, 2022 08:38 PM (akM5V)

318 Use only genuine "Farzrohr" brand fart tubes for the finest fart tube experience. Made in Germany by highly skilled dwarves.

Posted by: Farzrohrwerks at September 03, 2022 08:39 PM (sn5EN)

319 you been here before? also- what's a 'shrit'
Posted by: DB at September 03, 2022 08:37 PM (geLO

Also, what is 'avewrage?'

ave-w-rage?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 08:40 PM (dNqv+)

320 303 How about Gary Cooper. Gary Cooper was good. Handsome too.

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 08:41 PM (Zzbjj)

321 Game novels, in my experience seem to be about the same level. No real peaks or valleys. Of course, I have not read them all. How are the warhammer ones? It is an interesting universe.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 08:38 PM (dNqv+)
---
There are hits and misses with franchise novels (e.g. Star Trek, Star Wars, Dragonlance, etc.). On the whole, they are usually decent "fluff" novels, when you are just looking for something entertaining to pass the time, but not really concerned about serious, thought-provoking stories.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at September 03, 2022 08:41 PM (K5n5d)

322 average said by the bishop in princess bride?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 08:41 PM (dNqv+)

323 >.The only film with worse choreographed fight scenes than Lone Wolf McQuade is Road House, still, both of those films are great fun watches.

Posted by: Thomas Bender

I would offer two: Die Hard, where Bruce Willis's stunt double's face is clearly visible, and The Godfather with Sonny throwing phantom punches and kicks at Carlo on the sidewalk

Posted by: DB at September 03, 2022 08:41 PM (geLO8)

324 Oh, -that- "Fury".

I visited your site, and someone's comment (not AOS) came to mind: "If an author used [T] Roosevelt's analysis for the United States Navy actions during the War of 1812, and James' for the United Kingdom, that would make for an interesting book". At least the numbers would be more reasonable.

Posted by: mrp at September 03, 2022 08:41 PM (6eRlp)

325 320 303 How about Gary Cooper. Gary Cooper was good. Handsome too.
Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 08:41 PM (Zzbjj)

Eh, could not hold a candle to the sheer animal magnetism of Tom Mix.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 08:42 PM (dNqv+)

326 325. Rofl.

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 08:42 PM (Zzbjj)

327 Anybody else seeing Wrath of Khaaaaaaan on the big screen?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 03, 2022 08:42 PM (Dc2NZ)

328 >Eh, could not hold a candle to the sheer animal magnetism of Tom Mix.

Posted by: Aetius451AD

or Randolph Scott

Posted by: DB at September 03, 2022 08:43 PM (geLO8)

329 you been here before? also- what's a 'shrit'
Posted by: DB at September 03, 2022 08:37 PM (geLO

Also, what is 'avewrage?'

ave-w-rage?
Posted by: Aetius451AD

Mawage. Mawage is what bwings us togethah today. Mawwiage, that bwessed awwangement, that dweam wifin a dream!

Posted by: Tonypete at September 03, 2022 08:43 PM (LsEU/)

330 327. There's a remake?

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 08:43 PM (Zzbjj)

331 @320

>>How about Gary Cooper. Gary Cooper was good. Handsome too.

Gary Cooper couldn't hold Rudolph Valentinos pancake makeup tin, in the looks department.

No homo here, but that was a handsome man.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 03, 2022 08:43 PM (akM5V)

332 328 or Randolph Scott
Posted by: DB at September 03, 2022 08:43 PM (geLO

=========

RANDOLPH SCOTT!!!!!

*hat over heart*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 08:44 PM (LvTSG)

333 328. William Powell had more magnetism

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 08:44 PM (Zzbjj)

334 or Randolph Scott
Posted by: DB at September 03, 2022 08:43 PM (geLO

RANDOLPH SCOTT!!!!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 08:44 PM (dNqv+)

335 303 If you want to sample the avewrage of commentors here just post a movie thread.. wow can we update the comments to more current movies? .. Hello it is now the year 2022 and Edward G and Humphrey are long deceased...
Posted by: Commentor What Bought a Shrit at September 03, 2022 08:34 PM (9JFeL)

Just for that, I am going to buy Fatman and watch it!
Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 08:34 PM (dNqv+)

And ... and ... "Marty".

Posted by: mrp at September 03, 2022 08:45 PM (6eRlp)

336 Heh. You posted first, but I got the nic change.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 08:45 PM (dNqv+)

337 Dear shrit: That is one of the pleasures of AoSHQ -- wandering all over the place. We use the thread intro as a launch pad. And we, the Horde, have so much collective knowledge, experience, and opinion. Boy! Do we have opinion! Don't get your panties in such a twist.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at September 03, 2022 08:45 PM (9SjWf)

338 I only discuss GWTW...and Doctor Zhivago.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 03, 2022 08:45 PM (jZBWN)

339 Get off my lawn cause I'm watching" My Man Godfrey"

Posted by: Ben Had at September 03, 2022 08:45 PM (9eFjC)

340 317 The only film with worse choreographed fight scenes than Lone Wolf McQuade is Road House, still, both of those films are great fun watches.
Posted by: Thomas Bender

There seems to be a category of movies that are objectively bad but still are fun and watchable. Road House is fun! Fun, dumb, lots of bad dialogue with trashy women, copious amounts of violence. Ok, I'm talking about 'Harley Davidson and The Marlboro Man' again.

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 03, 2022 08:45 PM (sAmhv)

341 331. Ok, the rons are ridiculing me...

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 08:45 PM (Zzbjj)

342 meatball pitch over the plate
Booyah it's outta here

Posted by: DB at September 03, 2022 08:46 PM (geLO8)

343 Mawage. Mawage is what bwings us togethah today. Mawwiage, that bwessed awwangement, that dweam wifin a dream!
Posted by: Tonypete at September 03, 2022 08:43 PM (LsEU/)

*golfclap* *wipes tear from eye*

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 08:46 PM (dNqv+)

344 Nickers get in a twist. Panties get bunched.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 03, 2022 08:46 PM (Dc2NZ)

345 338. Leslie Howard sucked

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 08:46 PM (Zzbjj)

346 I do like the talkies

Posted by: DB at September 03, 2022 08:46 PM (geLO8)

347 330 TCM is showing Khan

I'ma go.

I really liked Nicholas Meyer when he came to talk after a "Time After Time" showing. And I had read and been a fan of "The Seven Percent Solution".

Posted by: moviegique at September 03, 2022 08:47 PM (asXVI)

348 I think it'll catch on

Posted by: DB at September 03, 2022 08:47 PM (geLO8)

349 327 Anybody else seeing Wrath of Khaaaaaaan on the big screen?
Posted by: All Hail Eris

(raises hand)

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 03, 2022 08:47 PM (sAmhv)

350 Or are they knickers?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 03, 2022 08:47 PM (Dc2NZ)

351 I'm beginning to realize I'm dreaming, in my dreams. Haven't been able to direct them but just a bit. Lord help me if I gain total control.

Posted by: Javems at September 03, 2022 08:47 PM (AmoqO)

352 I had a Clara Bow poster on the ceiling over my bed.

Posted by: Farzrohrwerks at September 03, 2022 08:47 PM (sn5EN)

353 Nickers get in a twist. Panties get bunched.
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes

Nickers? This isn't the book thread.

Posted by: She Hobbit at September 03, 2022 08:47 PM (ftFVW)

354 Don't know if others feel this way but I think a bit of humor, might be subtle, really adds to an action and adventure movie. The Phantom, The Shadow, The Rocketeer, and John Carter of Mars are some examples. It helps if the film is sort of camp to start with and the titles above qualify.
Posted by: JTB at September 03, 2022

***
The 2015 Man From U.N.C.L.E. movie handled the humor very well, much as the original show did at its best.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 08:47 PM (c6xtn)

355 341 331. Ok, the rons are ridiculing me...
Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 08:45 PM (Zzbjj)

Eh, I only mock those who I think are good.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 08:47 PM (dNqv+)

356 Yay Puddleglum!

I haven't seen it in ages.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 03, 2022 08:48 PM (Dc2NZ)

357 I really liked Nicholas Meyer when he came to talk after a "Time After Time" showing. And I had read and been a fan of "The Seven Percent Solution".
Posted by: moviegique at September 03, 2022 08:47 PM (asXVI)

Both good movies, but it got me thinking of Somewhere in Time.

Peak Jane Seymour. Peak woman.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 08:49 PM (dNqv+)

358 355. I only had Cooper on my mind because Hemingway said that he and Flynn were thr only good actors in any adaptations of his stuff

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 08:49 PM (Zzbjj)

359 Nickers get in a twist. Panties get bunched.
Posted by: All Hail Eris
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Yeah, knickers. But what about bloomers?

Posted by: Bill Krystal at September 03, 2022 08:49 PM (kT/t7)

360 350 Or are they knickers?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 03, 2022 08:47 PM (Dc2NZ)

I 'think' that is correct.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 08:50 PM (dNqv+)

361 ||If you want to sample the avewrage of commentors here just post a movie thread.. wow can we update the comments to more current movies?||

"Current" does not mean "good". It does not even imply "good". If anything, it sways the other way.

I have an occasional lunch with former (mostly Millennial) co-workers and my (much younger) daughter will explain to them who Yul Brynner is, 'cause I taught my kids the classics.

Posted by: moviegique at September 03, 2022 08:50 PM (asXVI)

362 @327

>>Anybody else seeing Wrath of Khaaaaaaan on the big screen?

A number of years ago, I saw a Wrath of Khan on the big screen at NJPAC, after the film, Shatner Came out and did a 2 hr QandA. It was awesome.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 03, 2022 08:50 PM (akM5V)

363 362 A number of years ago, I saw a Wrath of Khan on the big screen at NJPAC, after the film, Shatner Came out and did a 2 hr QandA. It was awesome.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 03, 2022 08:50 PM (akM5V)

==========

"Why don't you all...get a life?"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 08:51 PM (LvTSG)

364 341 331. Ok, the rons are ridiculing me...
Posted by: CN

That's because they love you.

Posted by: nurse ratched at September 03, 2022 08:51 PM (U2p+3)

365 321 -- The official Star Trek writers' guide specifies that no matter what happens in the course of a pro book, the main characters cannot change. At the end of the book, they must be in the same space where they began. No character development, no long term story arc, just a bunch of words. And that is why there is fanfic.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at September 03, 2022 08:51 PM (9SjWf)

366 358 355. I only had Cooper on my mind because Hemingway said that he and Flynn were thr only good actors in any adaptations of his stuff
Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 08:49 PM (Zzbjj)

I only said Tom Mix because he was the earliest actor I could think of in a western off the top of my head.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 08:51 PM (dNqv+)

367 William Powell had more magnetism
Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022

***
Powell got around, man. Married to Carole Lombard, and then engaged to Jean Harlow. No slouch in the attracting hot women department.

The story goes that he stayed friends with Carole even after their divorce. When he was cast in My Man Godfrey in '37, he insisted she was the right one for the female lead, and he was right (I saw the film on YooToob last year -- delightful dialogue).

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 08:51 PM (c6xtn)

368 *sigh* Phoebe Cates..
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 03, 2022 08:12 PM (asZuX)

Did she act in anything notable after Fast Times?

Posted by: clutch at September 03, 2022 08:52 PM (9UmRs)

369 364. And because I have weird dated taste in films...

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 08:52 PM (Zzbjj)

370 And that is why there is fanfic.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at September 03, 2022 08:51 PM (9SjWf)

And slash fic. *shudder*

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 08:52 PM (dNqv+)

371 Just poking my nose in.
Barbara Carrera can clean my house anytime.
I'll buy more beer.
And she's best in the French maid outfit.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 03, 2022 08:52 PM (anj39)

372 I saw Shatner in NYC at his off off Broadway show "Shatner's World". He was awesome. I have the mug and t-shirt.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 03, 2022 08:53 PM (Dc2NZ)

373 Peak Jane Seymour. Peak woman.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022

***
She played Cathy the sociopath in the TV miniseries version of East of Eden around '81. Despite the fact Cathy is described as a blonde in the novel, when I reread that book now, it's young Jane I picture.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 08:53 PM (c6xtn)

374 (I saw the film on YooToob last year -- delightful dialogue).
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 08:51 PM (c6xtn)

Amazing dialogue. A lot of good stuff for the rapid fire brilliance from that era.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 08:53 PM (dNqv+)

375 367. Tallulah Bankhead said she only went to Hollywood to fuck Cooper, though.

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 08:53 PM (Zzbjj)

376 Did she act in anything notable after Fast Times?
Posted by: clutch at September 03, 2022 08:52 PM (9UmRs)

Gremlins?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 08:54 PM (dNqv+)

377 DJT can go on more in a night than Sundowner in a month

Posted by: Skip at September 03, 2022 08:54 PM (k8B25)

378 And that is why there is fanfic.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at September 03, 2022 08:51 PM (9SjWf)
*
And slash fic. *shudder*
Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022

***
The first time I ran across slash Man From U.N.C.L.E. fic with Solo and Illya, ah, "involved" with each other, I was disgusted. And still avoid that sub-genre at all costs.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 08:54 PM (c6xtn)

379 @363

>>"Why don't you all...get a life?"

On of the people who got up to ask a question asked Shatner to tell him to get a life, Shatner obliged him in a Shatnarian tour de force.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 03, 2022 08:54 PM (akM5V)

380 Nickers get in a twist. Panties get bunched.
Posted by: All Hail Eris
-----

Yeah, knickers. But what about bloomers?
Posted by: Bill Krystal at September 03, 2022 08:49 PM (kT/t7)
***

Real men know the trials and tribulations of the 13 button drop drawer.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 03, 2022 08:55 PM (anj39)

381 Did she act in anything notable after Fast Times?

Posted by: clutch at September 03, 2022 08:52 PM (9UmRs)

Now that was acting.

Posted by: Javems at September 03, 2022 08:55 PM (AmoqO)

382 Mawage. Mawage is what bwings us togethah today. Mawwiage, that bwessed awwangement, that dweam wifin a dream!
Posted by: Tonypete at September 03, 2022 08:43 PM

Have you, the wing?

Posted by: The Impressive Clergyman at September 03, 2022 08:55 PM (asZuX)

383 Oz is up at the rally

Posted by: Skip at September 03, 2022 08:55 PM (k8B25)

384

Dr Oz up...

Posted by: Zettai at September 03, 2022 08:56 PM (UJ3Pe)

385 370: Slash is . . . slash. I wandered into Star Trek fandom just as the slash wars were starting. I pretty much stood there, yelling "IDIC, guys! Remember IDIC? Can't we all just get along?" I had good friends on both sides.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at September 03, 2022 08:57 PM (9SjWf)

386 The first time I ran across slash Man From U.N.C.L.E. fic with Solo and Illya, ah, "involved" with each other, I was disgusted. And still avoid that sub-genre at all costs.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 08:54 PM (c6xtn)

Absolutely. My mom and aunt were HUGE star trek fans. They went to a lot of early cons and mom would buy 'zines' and bring them home. As a kid, I got into Star Trek and I'd go through the 'Star Trek Bookshelf' in the basement. Lots of fan novels, but one time I ran across a couple of those slash zines. Horrified is not even the word. There were illustrations. Dear God, I can still see them. What have you done to Captain Kirk and Spock!?!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 08:58 PM (dNqv+)

387 371 Just poking my nose in.
Barbara Carrera can clean my house anytime.
I'll buy more beer.
And she's best in the French maid outfit.
Posted by: Diogenes at September 03, 2022 08:52 PM (anj39)

*dirty millennial looks up Barbara Carrera*

HEY-OOO!!!

Posted by: CppThis at September 03, 2022 08:58 PM (UewuT)

388 Damn! That is a massive list of movies I have not seen, nor have any intention to see. The Hollyweird Commies are not going to grow fat on my dime.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 03, 2022 08:58 PM (Ofjow)

389 303 How about Gary Cooper. Gary Cooper was good. Handsome too.
Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022

***
Cooper was low-key, but very effective. It startled me when I saw the movie version of Hemingway's For Whom the Bell Tolls. Just like the novel, it starts off at a high point, has a low stretch toward the middle (including an intermission!), and then rises sharply to the climax and finale. The director and screenwriter really captured the flow of the novel's events.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 08:58 PM (c6xtn)

390 362. That sounds fun. At MSU they used to have a series in which they'd show a film and the actor would come out and chat and sign autographs. Evening with.... I went to two with a friend and her parents.

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 08:59 PM (Zzbjj)

391 Dr Oz up...
Posted by: Zettai at September 03, 2022 08:56 PM (UJ3Pe)

Is he wonderful?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 03, 2022 09:00 PM (Ofjow)

392 389. Hemingway hated Spencer Tracy . Said he wanted to vomit.

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 09:00 PM (Zzbjj)

393 Tallulah Bankhead said she only went to Hollywood to fuck Cooper, though.
Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022

***
On my TBR pile is a biography of Tallulah. She was more known as a stage actress rather than film, so I don't know her work very well. From what I've gathered, your quote sounds like her, though.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 09:01 PM (c6xtn)

394 @387

>>*dirty millennial looks up Barbara Carrera* HEY-OOO!!!

I'll see your Barbara Carrera and I'll raise you a Brit Ekland.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 03, 2022 09:01 PM (akM5V)

395 *goes looking for a tessa fowler video to cleanse the mental earworm*

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 09:01 PM (dNqv+)

396 Dr Oz up...
Posted by: Zettai at September 03, 2022 08:56 PM (UJ3Pe)

Is he wonderful?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

He wasn't bad. Short and sweet segment.

Posted by: t-bird at September 03, 2022 09:01 PM (Jg92y)

397 I finally saw Tenet after many years putting it off. I was very pleasant surprised. The time travel technology is similar to Primer, but instead of being sick in a box you literally travel backwards in time in real time. Very entertaining for time travel enthusiasts, not so much for other people.

Posted by: Max Power at September 03, 2022 09:01 PM (+hny1)

398 For what it's worth I thought the review as an entertaining read. The single biggest problem with non-horde movie critics is that, with the exception of the MST crew, they take themselves waaaaaaay too seriously.

Posted by: CppThis at September 03, 2022 09:02 PM (UewuT)

399 393. Yep. She said he had the biggest member in the business, but needed more ass muscles.

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 09:02 PM (Zzbjj)

400 I keep seeing ads for The Woman King.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at September 03, 2022 09:02 PM (63Dwl)

401 400. They're so confused. Queen or Empress maybe. King Elizabeth. Lol

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 09:04 PM (Zzbjj)

402 Anybody else seeing Wrath of Khaaaaaaan on the big screen?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 03, 2022

***
When it was new. My group was depressed after the dullness of the first movie, thinking Trek was not going to make the transition to films. What an electric charge we got after seeing WoK!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 09:04 PM (c6xtn)

403 Is he wonderful?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 03, 2022 09:00 PM

I expected moar... I expected better...

Posted by: Zettai at September 03, 2022 09:04 PM (v4tl8)

404 378 -- Nope. I got in on the ground floor, just as hurt/comfort was tipping over to slash. Interesting times. I wrote one K/S just for the hell of it, but avoided it after that. A friend came home from a con with some Luke/Han slash that was just pathetic.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at September 03, 2022 09:04 PM (9SjWf)

405 Now that was acting.
Posted by: Javems at September 03, 2022 08:55 PM (AmoqO)

Yeah Fast Times is about my level of sophistication.

Posted by: clutch at September 03, 2022 09:04 PM (9UmRs)

406

Doug Mastriano up...

Posted by: Zettai at September 03, 2022 09:05 PM (v4tl8)

407 Tallulah Bankhead said she only went to Hollywood to fuck Cooper, though.
Posted by: CN

Johnny Carson once introduced her as Ballullah Tankhesd.

Posted by: JT at September 03, 2022 09:06 PM (T4tVD)

408 I've heard that Shatner can be a pain in the ass when the cameras aren't rolling...or rather, it's like Tim Allen in Galaxy Quest (best of the Star Trek movies amirite) where he's great fun when everyone understand that he's the star of the event but he's rather a bit lost and frustrated when he isn't. Anyway, based on the obsessive devotion of many Star Trek fans I can't totally blame him for being that way...

Posted by: CppThis at September 03, 2022 09:06 PM (UewuT)

409 Gary Cooper was a very discreet horndog

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 09:06 PM (us2H3)

410 407. Why not? She probably laughed.

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 09:06 PM (Zzbjj)

411 409 except with Patricia Neal

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 09:07 PM (Zzbjj)

412 Mastriano is very comfortable up there.

Posted by: t-bird at September 03, 2022 09:07 PM (Jg92y)

413 404 378 -- Nope. I got in on the ground floor, just as hurt/comfort was tipping over to slash. Interesting times. I wrote one K/S just for the hell of it, but avoided it after that. A friend came home from a con with some Luke/Han slash that was just pathetic.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at September 03, 2022 09:04 PM (9SjWf)

Huh, mom used the same terminology. She said that Ilya was one the female zine writers loved to get the holy hell beaten out of him. She said that a lot of zines are just fantasies, sexual or no.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022 09:07 PM (dNqv+)

414 Rudolph Valentino's real name was, Rodolfo Pietro Filiberto Raffaello Guglielmi di Valentina d'Antonguolla.

I wonder if the marquee men of the time would get pranked by producers submitting his full name to them?

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 03, 2022 09:07 PM (akM5V)

415 320 303 How about Gary Cooper. Gary Cooper was good. Handsome too.
Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 08:41 PM (Zzbjj)

Before The Coop receives recognition, I demand an in depth dive into the career of Randolph Scott...

***removes hat***

Posted by: zombie Sheriff Bart at September 03, 2022 09:08 PM (BgMrQ)

416 407 Tallulah Bankhead said she only went to Hollywood to fuck Cooper, though.
Posted by: CN

word on the dtreet was Tallulah would fuck anything

2 legs or 4, women, men, whatever

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 09:08 PM (us2H3)

417 Before The Coop receives recognition, I demand an in depth dive into the career of Randolph Scott...

***removes hat***
Posted by: zombie Sheriff Bart at September 03, 2022 09:08 PM (BgMrQ)

RANDOLPH SCOTT!!!!

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 09:09 PM (dNqv+)

418 I've heard that Shatner can be a pain in the ass when the cameras aren't rolling...or rather, it's like Tim Allen in Galaxy Quest (best of the Star Trek movies amirite) where he's great fun when everyone understand that he's the star of the event but he's rather a bit lost and frustrated when he isn't. Anyway, based on the obsessive devotion of many Star Trek fans I can't totally blame him for being that way...
Posted by: CppThis at September 03, 2022

***
If I ever meet him (unlikely now), I'll compliment him on his performances on Twilight Zone and 77 Sunset Strip. That may startle him.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 09:09 PM (c6xtn)

419 415. Scott had the benefit of being WWI vet. I liked that about him

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 09:09 PM (Zzbjj)

420 414 Rudolph Valentino's real name was, Rodolfo Pietro Filiberto Raffaello Guglielmi di Valentina d'Antonguolla.

I wonder if the marquee men of the time would get pranked by producers submitting his full name to them?
Posted by: Thomas Bender

"Rodolfo Pietro Fi....aw fuck it. Rudy Valentina

Posted by: Puddleglum at September 03, 2022 09:10 PM (sAmhv)

421 Is there an annual award called The Slashies? There should be.

Maybe a "best of" compilation, a la "The Year's Best Science Fiction"?

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 03, 2022 09:10 PM (Dc2NZ)

422 word on the dtreet was Tallulah would fuck anything

2 legs or 4, women, men, whatever
Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 09:08 PM (us2H3)

I am not sure I have ever seen her in a movie. From pictures, she seems to have that kind of... Lauren Bacall look where as she is not 'hot' in the traditional sense, but has a smoky sultriness...

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 09:10 PM (dNqv+)

423 Got to see, "Where The Crawdad's Sing", after reading the book. I don't know that I would've enjoyed the movie had I not read the book first.

Posted by: Unkaren at September 03, 2022 09:11 PM (VESYv)

424
Huh, mom used the same terminology. She said that Ilya was one the female zine writers loved to get the holy hell beaten out of him. She said that a lot of zines are just fantasies, sexual or no.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at September 03, 2022

***
That's true about Illya. He was always getting into uncomfortable situations on the show as well. However, there are a few fanfic authors who actually tell good stories and don't do slash. They are readable, and some are actually very good.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 09:11 PM (c6xtn)

425 If I ever meet him (unlikely now), I'll compliment him on his performances on Twilight Zone and 77 Sunset Strip. That may startle him.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 09:09 PM (c6xtn)
---

"Pray for the Wildcats"

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 03, 2022 09:11 PM (Dc2NZ)

426 Absolutely. My mom and aunt were HUGE star trek fans. They went to a lot of early cons and mom would buy 'zines' and bring them home. As a kid, I got into Star Trek and I'd go through the 'Star Trek Bookshelf' in the basement. Lots of fan novels, but one time I ran across a couple of those slash zines. Horrified is not even the word. There were illustrations. Dear God, I can still see them. What have you done to Captain Kirk and Spock!?!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 08:58 PM (dNqv+)
===

I used to pester my dad to take me to "The Federation Trading Post" some place on the east side of Manhattan

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 03, 2022 09:11 PM (EZebt)

427 word on the dtreet was Tallulah would fuck anything

2 legs or 4, women, men, whatever
Posted by: REDACTED

Always go with your strengths.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 03, 2022 09:11 PM (LsEU/)

428
RANDOLPH SCOTT!!!!
Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 09:09 PM (dNqv+)

I thought I teed that up quite nicely, thank you...

Posted by: zombie Sheriff Bart at September 03, 2022 09:11 PM (BgMrQ)

429 I am not sure I have ever seen her in a movie. From pictures, she seems to have that kind of... Lauren Bacall look where as she is not 'hot' in the traditional sense, but has a smoky sultriness...
Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022

***
I'm pretty sure Tallulah is in Hitchcock's Lifeboat.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 09:12 PM (c6xtn)

430 416. That's what I heard, too. They called the lesbian group " the sewing circle"

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 09:12 PM (Zzbjj)

431 Tallulah Bankhead - owner of the original Resting Bitch Face.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 03, 2022 09:12 PM (LsEU/)

432 I am not sure I have ever seen her in a movie. From pictures, she seems to have that kind of... Lauren Bacall look where as she is not 'hot' in the traditional sense, but has a smoky sultriness...
Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 09:10 PM (dNqv+)

Lifeboat

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 09:13 PM (us2H3)

433 I like Mastriano a lot

Posted by: Skip at September 03, 2022 09:13 PM (k8B25)

434 418 If I ever meet him (unlikely now), I'll compliment him on his performances on Twilight Zone and 77 Sunset Strip. That may startle him.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 09:09 PM (c6xtn)

That was a good Twilight Zone episode.

Minnesota has a very well regarded morning radio program whose main host's superpower is doing fantastic interviews. One of the things I learned from listening to his program is that famous people who are known for doing one or two things really, really like to talk about the other things that they've done. No idea if that would work with The Shat but hey, may as well try, right?

Posted by: CppThis at September 03, 2022 09:14 PM (UewuT)

435 I've heard that Shatner can be a pain in the ass when the cameras aren't rolling...or rather, it's like Tim Allen in Galaxy Quest ...
Posted by: CppThis at September 03, 2022 09:06 PM (UewuT)
===

The Shat is Last Man Standing.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at September 03, 2022 09:14 PM (EZebt)

436 > but has a smoky sultriness...

RBF

Posted by: DB at September 03, 2022 09:14 PM (geLO8)

437 If I ever meet him (unlikely now), I'll compliment him on his performances on Twilight Zone and 77 Sunset Strip. That may startle him.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022
---
"Pray for the Wildcats"
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 03, 2022

***
That was a movie? It sounded like a Route 66 episode title.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 09:14 PM (c6xtn)

438 421 Is there an annual award called The Slashies? There should be.

Maybe a "best of" compilation, a la "The Year's Best Science Fiction"?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 03, 2022 09:10 PM (Dc2NZ)

I kind of wonder whether modern genre entertainment encourages fanfic? The actual shows are about on the level of average fanfic themselves.

The thing about slash, and this is partially my mom's theory is that it has to be masculine, dangerous, competent men to start with. The gay part is because the woman writer wants to fantasize about being with both characters at once (that's my Mom's bit.) The hurt/comfort thing that the Cap'n mentioned above is because they want a situation where their hero is hurt and/or incapacitated and they need to 'nurse' him.

Do shitty, poorly written, bitchy characters provoke that kind of fantasy? I doubt it.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 09:15 PM (dNqv+)

439 "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" was cyanide, for which "The Wrath of Khan" was the much needed and very unexpected antidote.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 03, 2022 09:15 PM (Gda1b)

440 I heard today on CNN that Trump had stolen 5 Multi-Megaton Nukes from Burpleson AFB and had them stored in his basement. This was also annotated on Garland's and DOJ inventory list of the items taken !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG ................. Trump is General Ripper !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 03, 2022 09:15 PM (20SKS)

441 @435

>>The Shat is Last Man Standing.

Him and Eastwood, when those two Icons pass, it will certainly close a chapter.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 03, 2022 09:15 PM (akM5V)

442 All this movie talk.
I'm still.scarred.by being left alone and watching Fiend Without a Face.
I put myself to bed and didn't move for two days. Mom thought I had the flu.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 03, 2022 09:16 PM (anj39)

443 Wolf, I believe it was a t.v. movie in the bleak post-Trek days when he needed to do anything to make some scratch.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 03, 2022 09:16 PM (Dc2NZ)

444 Shat was in Big Bad Mama with Angie Dickinson

Posted by: DB at September 03, 2022 09:16 PM (geLO8)

445 Ok, I think TJM is trolling us

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at September 03, 2022 09:17 PM (xcxpd)

446 413 -- 'Zine/media fandom was a totally female dominated fandom back in my day. There was an occasional male writer, but 99% of the writers and 100% of the publishers were female. We got to play. Yeah, I'll be the first to admit some of it got a little weird. OTOH, no character was more despised than Mary Sue. There were some damn fine writers back then. Several professional writers came out of media fandom. There were a few I really wished had gone pro. A little change here. A little change there. And, presto! A wonderful new universe.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at September 03, 2022 09:17 PM (9SjWf)

447 One of the things I learned from listening to his program is that famous people who are known for doing one or two things really, really like to talk about the other things that they've done. No idea if that would work with The Shat but hey, may as well try, right?
Posted by: CppThis at September 03, 2022

***
I never got to meet Robert Vaughn, but one of the fans I knew from the old Channel D Yahoo group did. She told him she was fascinated by his lead role as the surgeon in The Mind of Mr. Soames, a quiet little SF film RV did in Britain in the early '70s. She said Vaughn lit up and was very pleased that she knew that film. He said it was one of his favorite jobs.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 09:17 PM (c6xtn)

448 Shat was in an obscure '70s TV movie, Soul Survivor. Good flick.

Posted by: davidt at September 03, 2022 09:18 PM (oTZbj)

449 445 Ok, I think TJM is trolling us
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at September 03, 2022 09:17 PM (xcxpd)

=========

I have never denied this charge.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 09:18 PM (LvTSG)

450 "Sultry"? Ava Gardner.

Posted by: mrp at September 03, 2022 09:18 PM (6eRlp)

451 445 Ok, I think TJM is trolling us
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at September 03, 2022 09:17 PM (xcxpd)

naa

for the obvious reason

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 09:18 PM (us2H3)

452 and yes, Free Sponge

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at September 03, 2022 09:18 PM (xcxpd)

453 I heard today on CNN that Trump had stolen 5 Multi-Megaton Nukes from Burpleson AFB and had them stored in his basement. This was also annotated on Garland's and DOJ inventory list of the items taken !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG ................. Trump is General Ripper !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at September 03, 2022 09:15 PM (20SKS)
***
The launch keys were hidden in Melania's underwear drawer.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 03, 2022 09:18 PM (anj39)

454 In the 1980's I was always a little partial to the Latin hotties like Barbara Carrera and Sonia Braga.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 03, 2022 09:18 PM (qH6FZ)

455 Also, morons, please check out TJM's Fritz Lang series on his webzone. It's good. Fritz Lang is also good. Mostly.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards (Logan Tiberius 2012-2021) at September 03, 2022 09:18 PM (xcxpd)

456 Claudia Cardinale was a smokes in westerns

Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 03, 2022 09:19 PM (WF/xn)

457 So TJM-
next week is the Pee Wee Herman retrospective, right?

Posted by: DB at September 03, 2022 09:21 PM (geLO8)

458 Barbara Carrera did things to my young brain.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 03, 2022 09:21 PM (9qSw/)

459 Smokeshow

Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 03, 2022 09:22 PM (WF/xn)

460 He is a pillar of masculine restraint.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, navigating the destiny machine with Fritz Lang at September 03, 2022 06:43 PM (LvTSG)

I remember that about him from the second "Explodables" movie.

Posted by: HTL at September 03, 2022 09:22 PM (Xds2W)

461 In the 1980's I was always a little partial to the Latin hotties like Barbara Carrera and Sonia Braga.

In the '80s, I was very partial to Kelly Lebrock.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 03, 2022 09:22 PM (aMlNb)

462 OTOH, no character was more despised than Mary Sue. There were some damn fine writers back then. Several professional writers came out of media fandom. There were a few I really wished had gone pro. A little change here. A little change there. And, presto! A wonderful new universe.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at September 03, 2022 09:17 PM (9SjWf)

Was that why they went slash and not self insert? The thing against Mary Sues?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 09:22 PM (dNqv+)

463 438 -- I can't remember who, but some professor termed us fanfc writers as "cultural poachers". The original creators of those universes had run out of steam, the universes were too important to be left in the hands of incompetent creators (Yes,George, I'm talking about YOU!"), so we cultural poachers stepped in to fill the void.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at September 03, 2022 09:22 PM (9SjWf)

464 The BBC series production of "Tom Jones" was very good. I was in high school when I read the book, so the 1963 film was a bit of a let-down. Henry Fielding's novel should be required reading, not the smug, infantile "Catcher in the Rye".

Posted by: mrp at September 03, 2022 09:23 PM (6eRlp)

465 Tenet:
Getting in a fight with someone traveling backwards in time is something I am not certain would play out the way the movie showed it.

Nolan's preproduction is stronger than anyone else. His stunt crew workshop his illusions until he has a good bag of tricks. His life-like mannequins that he plunged in water in The Prestige meant that he would do it again in the van in Inception.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 03, 2022 09:23 PM (ybIRR)

466 450 "Sultry"? Ava Gardner.
Posted by: mrp at September 03, 2022 09:18 PM (6eRlp)

Not quite what I was going for. Ava was more toward classically beautiful... and also sultry.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 09:23 PM (dNqv+)

467 Elke Sommer is a fav.
Her mother lived in Erlangen West Germany. She and her mom would invite GIs, stationed nearby, over for a Thanksgiving dinner every year. She and her mom were great.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 03, 2022 09:23 PM (anj39)

468 one of my fav kinda unknown flick is "Ladies in Retirement"

great cast, including Isobel Elsom, one of the great small part actors

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 09:23 PM (us2H3)

469 I never understood why women wrote slash.
Gross

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at September 03, 2022 09:24 PM (gbzeC)

470 Now that we’ve covered Lone Wolf, let’s talk about the greatness that is Smokey And The Bandit.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 03, 2022 09:24 PM (u73oe)

471

I *think* Trump just announced...

Posted by: Zettai at September 03, 2022 09:24 PM (VPHQp)

472 Ava Gardener will always be the momma kitty in The Aristocats.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 03, 2022 09:25 PM (aMlNb)

473 471. PDT subtle? No way

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 09:25 PM (Zzbjj)

474 I loved LWM. It was a great action flick. This is one huge reason why the 80s were so much fun.

Just fun, all-American, ass-kicking, schlocky action films.

It was the cinema equivalent of sugary cereal and I enjoyed every bit of it.

Even all the Ninja movies. American Ninja, revenge of the ninja, Ninja 3: the domination, pizza delivery ninja.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 03, 2022 09:25 PM (9qSw/)

475 >>Now that we’ve covered Lone Wolf, let’s talk about the greatness that is Smokey And The Bandit.

Posted by: Duke Lowell

truly, a sinematic turdy farce

Posted by: DB at September 03, 2022 09:25 PM (geLO8)

476 The self-insert is not descriptive, but the teen-angst motivation for making a Mary Sue.

A Mary Sue is someone who finds the challenges of the universe to be very easy. He or she should feel as bored and cheated as the audience does.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 03, 2022 09:25 PM (ybIRR)

477 Now that we’ve covered Lone Wolf, let’s talk about the greatness that is Smokey And The Bandit.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 03, 2022 09:24 PM (u73oe)

Heh, you can't please Duke.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 03, 2022 09:25 PM (qH6FZ)

478 'Zine/media fandom was a totally female dominated fandom back in my day. There was an occasional male writer, but 99% of the writers and 100% of the publishers were female. We got to play. Yeah, I'll be the first to admit some of it got a little weird. OTOH, no character was more despised than Mary Sue. There were some damn fine writers back then. Several professional writers came out of media fandom. There were a few I really wished had gone pro. A little change here. A little change there. And, presto! A wonderful new universe.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at September 03, 2022

***
As of a few years ago, U.N.C.L.E. fandom was still strong with female writers. There were a few exceptions, such as yours truly. The accepted wisdom was that male writers wrote about action and adventure, female writers about emotional matters. A couple, like the renowned Cynthia Walker, told adventure stories with meaning. I did the same in my few ventures into the field.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 09:26 PM (c6xtn)

479 Yeah, I'm a big Hedy fan but when Sophia was on, there was nobody hotter

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 09:26 PM (us2H3)

480 @454

>>Fritz Lang is also good. Mostly.

Quentin Tarantino: Yeah Fritz lang was good, but the cat that lit my fuse was Lotte Reiniger. The things she could pull off with paper and silhouette were spellbinding. Also Roger Deakins is a pu**y.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 03, 2022 09:26 PM (akM5V)

481 Watched Interceptor last night.
Gawd.
Thats two hours I'll never get back.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 03, 2022 09:27 PM (anj39)

482 Maria Conchita Alonso. Fiery, freedom-loving, Sean Penn-bashing Maria.

Posted by: mrp at September 03, 2022 09:27 PM (6eRlp)

483 lets talk about Blume in Love

one of the all time greats

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 09:28 PM (us2H3)

484 Rebecca De Mornay made me very hornay

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 03, 2022 09:28 PM (9qSw/)

485 So TJM-
next week is the Pee Wee Herman retrospective, right?
Posted by: DB

"The stars at night, are big and bright -!!"

Posted by: Tonypete at September 03, 2022 09:28 PM (LsEU/)

486 they are firing cannons at Trump

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 09:29 PM (us2H3)

487 Claudia Cardinale was a smokes in westerns
Posted by: Hatari Somewhere on Ventura Highway at September 03, 2022

***
She also did a neat spy film with humorous touches with Rock Hudson in about 1966 called Blindfold. I need to see it again.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 09:29 PM (c6xtn)

488 469 I never understood why women wrote slash.
Gross
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at September 03, 2022 09:24 PM (gbzeC)

It definitely was to me- all of it was gay dudes. And of characters I LIKED. It soured me on almost all fan created material for any show. For like the past 35 years.

At the age when I got into star trek, I would have been up for Kirk on the Planet of Busty Amazons (MORE than up) but that... that was just horrifying.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 09:29 PM (dNqv+)

489 Poor Pee Wee. Career ruined over jacking it in an adult theatre.

Compared to today's 'stars', he's pretty tame.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 03, 2022 09:29 PM (9qSw/)

490 484 Rebecca De Mornay made me very hornay
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 03, 2022 09:28 PM (9qSw/)

Oh yes.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 09:30 PM (dNqv+)

491 OK...Kiera Knightly was pretty fun to watch in the Pirates of the Carribean franchise.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 03, 2022 09:30 PM (aMlNb)

492 HE'S RUNNING

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 09:30 PM (us2H3)

493 "Maria Conchita Alonso. Fiery, freedom-loving, Sean Penn-bashing Maria."

Another hottie, Rachel Ticotin.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 03, 2022 09:31 PM (qH6FZ)

494 Now that we’ve covered Lone Wolf, let’s talk about the greatness that is Smokey And The Bandit.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 03, 2022 09:24 PM (u73oe)

Heh, you can't please Duke.
Posted by: lowandslow at September 03, 2022 09:25 PM (qH6FZ)

The Duke...thats one manly sumbitch!

Posted by: Diogenes at September 03, 2022 09:31 PM (anj39)

495 I really liked the Solomon Kane movie. It has a pulp vibe but does not strike me as similar to any particular story.
Unfortunately it didn't take on a market demand and seven sequels.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at September 03, 2022 09:31 PM (ybIRR)

496 I wonder if there's any connection between the slash thing of the 90s and 00s and the "everyone should be gay/nonbinary/whatever" thing of the late 10s and early 20s.

Posted by: CppThis at September 03, 2022 09:31 PM (UewuT)

497 What is with the sounds of thunder, or storm, if you will? The skies are clear up there.

Posted by: t-bird at September 03, 2022 09:31 PM (Jg92y)

498 Ok, here is an example of a very lost art: Eva St Marie, the train scene in North By Northwest.

I saw it when I was maybe 13/14? Without anything overt she lit a fire in me...

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 09:32 PM (dNqv+)

499 Pee Wee in the biker bar always cracks me up

"I'm trying to use the phone!"

Posted by: DB at September 03, 2022 09:32 PM (geLO8)

500 Harvey Weinstein's spirit tree is the ficus.

Posted by: mrp at September 03, 2022 09:32 PM (6eRlp)

501 497 What is with the sounds of thunder, or storm, if you will? The skies are clear up there.

Posted by: t-bird at September 03, 2022 09:31 PM (Jg92y)

I wouldn't worry unless you hear Trumpets.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 03, 2022 09:33 PM (9qSw/)

502 496 I wonder if there's any connection between the slash thing of the 90s and 00s and the "everyone should be gay/nonbinary/whatever" thing of the late 10s and early 20s.
Posted by: CppThis at September 03, 2022 09:31 PM (UewuT)

Eh.... both movements are dominated by women?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 09:33 PM (dNqv+)

503 It's been said that writing fan fiction is not work but joyful play . . . and I have to agree. My U.N.C.L.E. stories are work I'm still proud of, and I had fun with them, inserting in-jokes and cameos by real-life people of the '60s (Truman Capote and Lee Radziwill in one tale) and other fictional personages (Richard Kimble in one, and Ellery Queen and his father in another).

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 09:33 PM (c6xtn)

504 Aetius: No, I don't think so. As I wrote earlier, hurt/comfort sort of tipped over into slash. People kept pushing the envelope. Mary Sue was still around, but was despised by most of us. You knew which publishers to avoid. And, frankly, yes, there were some lesbian writers and artists. OTOH, several snide comments were made about writers who typed with one hand while holding a copy of "The Joys of Gay Sex" in the other. We also knew who they were. Most of the people I ran with had a "live and let live" attitude. Was it a good story idea? Was it well executed? Those were the important things. If you didn't like slash, you didn't write, publish, or buy it. If you liked it, you wrote, published, and bought it.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at September 03, 2022 09:33 PM (9SjWf)

505 490 484 Rebecca De Mornay made me very hornay
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 03, 2022 09:28 PM (9qSw/)

she has freckly skin like my sis

a real deal breaker for me

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 09:34 PM (us2H3)

506 It seems that famous picture the FIB put out with all the documents spilled all over the floor contains documents that they forgot to put on their inventory list.

In other words, the staged photo was even more staged than we all thought.

Posted by: Sharkman at September 03, 2022 09:34 PM (Gda1b)

507 I never understood why women wrote slash.
Gross
Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at September 03, 2022 09:24 PM (gbzeC)

Exactly what is "slash" in this context? I have never read any fanfic, either. If it's not the original author it's not canon. Having said that, I remember a story, "Return To Treasure Island" by H.A. Callahan, who took RLS's characters, and wrote a sequel. he explained in a forward that RLS had left numerous Easter Eggs in the original story that pointed to an expected sequel.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 03, 2022 09:35 PM (3Rtg/)

508 Trump announced/declared?

Posted by: davidt at September 03, 2022 09:35 PM (oTZbj)

509 492. Best news

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 09:36 PM (Zzbjj)

510 Now I want a Diablo sammich and a Dr. Pepper.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 03, 2022 09:36 PM (qH6FZ)

511 Oh, and how that tied in to what we were talking about: Eva St Marie was peak sultriness in that scene.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 09:36 PM (dNqv+)

512 Is anyone under the illusion Trump isn't running? Doesn't matter when he announces. He will run.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 03, 2022 09:36 PM (9qSw/)

513 It seems that famous picture the FIB put out with all the documents spilled all over the floor contains documents that they forgot to put on their inventory list.

In other words, the staged photo was even more staged than we all thought.
Posted by: Sharkman at September 03, 2022 09:34 PM (Gda1b)

The incompetence is staggering.
More like Smokey and the Bandit than we realize.
Me and Junior are in high speed.persuit after this sumbich!

Posted by: Diogenes at September 03, 2022 09:37 PM (anj39)

514 510 Now I want a Diablo sammich and a Dr. Pepper.
Posted by: lowandslow at September 03, 2022 09:36 PM (qH6FZ

Remind me to slap yo mamma when we get home.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 03, 2022 09:37 PM (9qSw/)

515 "From Here to Eternity" is in my top ten list. Deborah Kerr was a beautiful woman and got my preteen nerves tingling.

Posted by: Javems at September 03, 2022 09:37 PM (AmoqO)

516 506>>> Gotta wash my shocked face. Its getting a lot of use. Seriously, that outfit has zero credibility. Just close it up and turn over their responsibilities to the US Marshals Service. Everyone gets a pink slip and the management gets a subpeona.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at September 03, 2022 09:38 PM (aMlNb)

517 Trump announced/declared?

Posted by: davidt at September 03, 2022 09:35 PM

In so many words... He didn't actually say the words...

Posted by: Zettai at September 03, 2022 09:38 PM (VPHQp)

518 she has freckly skin like my sis

a real deal breaker for me
Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 09:34 PM (us2H3)

I like freckled lasses...

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at September 03, 2022 09:38 PM (BgMrQ)

519 Exactly what is "slash" in this context? I have never read any fanfic, either. If it's not the original author it's not canon. Having said that, I remember a story, "Return To Treasure Island" by H.A. Callahan, who took RLS's characters, and wrote a sequel. he explained in a forward that RLS had left numerous Easter Eggs in the original story that pointed to an expected sequel.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 03, 2022 09:35 PM (3Rtg/)

'Slash' is specifically gay, explicit, sexual fan made fiction.

The Cap'n could probably give a better description because I think any straight man woman stuff had a different name, even if it was explicit.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 09:38 PM (dNqv+)

520 Is anyone under the illusion Trump isn't running? Doesn't matter when he announces. He will run.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 03, 2022 09:36 PM (9qSw/)

Once he announces, I expect the legal harassment by the DOJ will stop, because it is not a good look for the DOJ to be attacking a candidate.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 03, 2022 09:38 PM (3Rtg/)

521 those crowds are equity

and the Donald does not walk away from equity

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 09:40 PM (us2H3)

522 Wolfus: Did you ever go to MediaWestCon? I went a couple of times. I loved it! Not a pro anything for miles in every direction. Fan originated, fan run, fan attended. I went last in 2000. Every fandom you could think of. And "Gladiator" was really big that year, so there were a bunch of rooms decorated ala Gladiator.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at September 03, 2022 09:40 PM (9SjWf)

523 Once he announces, I expect the legal harassment by the DOJ will stop, because it is not a good look for the DOJ to be attacking a candidate.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 03, 2022 09:38 PM (3Rtg

Biden doesn't think it's a bad look.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 03, 2022 09:40 PM (9qSw/)

524 'Slash' is specifically gay, explicit, sexual fan made fiction.

The Cap'n could probably give a better description because I think any straight man woman stuff had a different name, even if it was explicit.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 09:38 PM (dNqv+)

I see. Sick. And evil, too.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 03, 2022 09:40 PM (3Rtg/)

525 Once he announces, I expect the legal harassment by the DOJ will stop, because it is not a good look for the DOJ to be attacking a candidate.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 03, 2022 09:38 PM (3Rtg/)

Depends on the midterm results.

Posted by: mrp at September 03, 2022 09:40 PM (6eRlp)

526 Once he announces, I expect the legal harassment by the DOJ will stop, because it is not a good look for the DOJ to be attacking a candidate.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 03, 2022 09:38 PM (3Rtg/)

Not hardly...

Posted by: Merrick Garland at September 03, 2022 09:40 PM (BgMrQ)

527 >Once he announces, I expect the legal harassment by the DOJ will stop

they'll just farm it out to various friends in the ratfucking industry

Posted by: DB at September 03, 2022 09:40 PM (geLO8)

528 Biden needs help putting his jacket on.

Posted by: mrp at September 03, 2022 09:41 PM (6eRlp)

529 522 Wolfus: Did you ever go to MediaWestCon? I went a couple of times. I loved it! Not a pro anything for miles in every direction. Fan originated, fan run, fan attended. I went last in 2000. Every fandom you could think of. And "Gladiator" was really big that year, so there were a bunch of rooms decorated ala Gladiator.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at September 03, 2022 09:40 PM (9SjWf)

Mom went every year until covid with my aunt.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 09:41 PM (dNqv+)

530 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slash_fiction

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 03, 2022 09:41 PM (Dc2NZ)

531 Biden doesn't think it's a bad look.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 03, 2022 09:40 PM (9qSw/)

His handlers and puppeteers might think otherwise. They may feel the nooses constricting.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 03, 2022 09:41 PM (3Rtg/)

532 The Democrats declared in '16 you can't investigate political rivals.

No, they won't obey their own rules.

Posted by: davidt at September 03, 2022 09:41 PM (oTZbj)

533 528 Biden needs help putting his jacket on.
Posted by: mrp at September 03, 2022 09:41 PM (6eRlp

He's a meat puppet for Obama/Rice and Clinton.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 03, 2022 09:41 PM (9qSw/)

534

Jack Posobiec: "That was a speech by the next President of The United States"...

Posted by: Zettai at September 03, 2022 09:41 PM (ImfPS)

535 I don't understand fan fiction.

Posted by: DB at September 03, 2022 09:42 PM (geLO8)

536 I see. Sick. And evil, too.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 03, 2022 09:40 PM (3Rtg/)

Women seem to have a particular fascination with gay dudes. Not all women, but enough to make me wonder what is going on under the hood.

It seems strange to me as a guy's baseline is usually revulsion.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 09:42 PM (dNqv+)

537 'Slash' is specifically gay, explicit, sexual fan made fiction.

I was very old fashion when I was 10

even more so now

I just don't understand this stuff

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 09:42 PM (us2H3)

538 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slash_fiction
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 03, 2022 09:41 PM (Dc2NZ)

It's for "authors" like those that wood chippers were invented. Seriously, this is just cultural vandalism, of the most pernicious sort.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 03, 2022 09:44 PM (3Rtg/)

539 Mitch has decided to do his own rally

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 09:44 PM (us2H3)

540 Cultural vandalism. I like that.

Like the new Star Wars movies.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 03, 2022 09:44 PM (9qSw/)

541 He's a meat puppet for Obama/Rice ~~and Clinton~~.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 03, 2022 09:41 PM

FIFY! Clinton is out of the loop...

Posted by: Zettai at September 03, 2022 09:45 PM (ImfPS)

542 535 I don't understand fan fiction.
Posted by: DB at September 03, 2022 09:42 PM (geLO

I understand it, I have just been unlucky either to find disgusting stuff or it always felt very amateurish to me. It may be unkind, but them's the breaks.

You like a story or series. You love the characters. The show is either defunct or you are between series. So you write a story about the characters you love in new situations.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 09:45 PM (dNqv+)

543 532 The Democrats declared in '16 you can't investigate political rivals.

No, they won't obey their own rules.
Posted by: davidt at September 03, 2022 09:41 PM (oTZbj)

What pisses me off bigly is that I was one of the ones that, at the time, argued against going after Hillary because that's third world banana republic bullshit. But of course when the donk lords get power they go all in on the banana republic bullshit, then double down on even more banana republic bullshit like Puddinhead's stupid speech earlier this week. Serves me right for caring about rule of law, I guess...

Posted by: CppThis at September 03, 2022 09:45 PM (UewuT)

544 539 Mitch has decided to do his own rally
Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 09:44 PM (us2H3)

He'll get Biden numbers of people, easy.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 09:46 PM (dNqv+)

545 Mitch has decided to do his own rally
Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 09:44 PM (us2H3)

—————

4:30 at the Golden Corral.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 03, 2022 09:46 PM (u73oe)

546 541 He's a meat puppet for Obama/Rice and Clinton.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 03, 2022 09:41 PM

FIFY! Clinton is out of the loop...
Posted by: Zettai at September 03, 2022 09:45 PM (ImfPS)

Well that, and the fact that O/R hate Team Clinton

#hatfieldmccoys

Posted by: Merrick Garland at September 03, 2022 09:46 PM (BgMrQ)

547 I bet money there are people going after Trump because of Hillary.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 03, 2022 09:47 PM (9qSw/)

548 You like a story or series. You love the characters. The show is either defunct or you are between series. So you write a story about the characters you love in new situations.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 09:45 PM (dNqv+)

Well, unless the the original material is in the public domain, as is RLS, the writers of fanfic are stealing. Full stop.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 03, 2022 09:47 PM (3Rtg/)

549

The Movie Thread is the home of our cinephiles...

The Zettai apologises for the interruptions!

*out

Posted by: Zettai at September 03, 2022 09:47 PM (ImfPS)

550 AOP: "Slash" is named slash because of the / in K/S. Kirk "slash" Spock. It presumes a sexual relationship between two male characters. As far as I know, it started with Kirk and Spock, then moved elsewhere. Frankly, A writer had to do a lot of twisting and turning to create slash. That was one reason I wasn't very fond of it: it twisted the characters so far out of their norm.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at September 03, 2022 09:47 PM (9SjWf)

551 @546

>>Well that, and the fact that O/R hate Team Clinton

Maybe not as much as once thought, apparently John "FARA? What's a FARA" Podesta is joining the Biden administration.

Podesta is a ClintonWorld flunky, but is being brought into SCOAMF world for a reason.

I don't like this development one bit.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 03, 2022 09:49 PM (6ixcG)

552 'Slash' is specifically gay, explicit, sexual fan made fiction.

The Cap'n could probably give a better description because I think any straight man woman stuff had a different name, even if it was explicit.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022

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Its nickname arose from the way early writers categorized their stories: "Kirk/Spock romance," etc. So it became known as "slash."

There's nothing wrong with a writer taking another's characters and having fun with them, as long as it's not for profit -- and, to me, if it fits the original format of the show or story series and doesn't insult the creator's intent. (I think slash does insult that.) It's good practice for beginning writers too. I suspect a lot of us began writing with stories about our favorites from TV or books. Roy Rogers for me, and Jeff and Lassie from that series.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 09:50 PM (c6xtn)

553 AOP: "Slash" is named slash because of the / in K/S. Kirk "slash" Spock. It presumes a sexual relationship between two male characters. As far as I know, it started with Kirk and Spock, then moved elsewhere. Frankly, A writer had to do a lot of twisting and turning to create slash. That was one reason I wasn't very fond of it: it twisted the characters so far out of their norm.
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at September 03, 2022 09:47 PM (9SjWf)

Yeah, I get that now. Presumably the writers of "slash" fic are queer themselves. Cultural vandalism. No different, really, than throwing paint on the Mona Lisa.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 03, 2022 09:50 PM (3Rtg/)

554 Women seem to have a particular fascination with gay dudes. Not all women, but enough to make me wonder what is going on under the hood.

It seems strange to me as a guy's baseline is usually revulsion.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 09:42 PM (dNqv+)

I have no idea what the situatin is now but my female customers used gays like rented mules

and if you were hot, gays would do anything to hang out with you

their fav fantasy is "beautiful women want me but they can't have me"

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 09:50 PM (us2H3)

555 "The Movie Thread is the home of our cinephiles..."

And we enjoy thinking and talking about hot actresses from the last century.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 03, 2022 09:51 PM (qH6FZ)

556
The Movie Thread is the home of our cinephiles...

The Zettai apologises for the interruptions!

*out
Posted by: Zettai
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Is there a thread for cinephobes? The question has to be asked.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 03, 2022 09:51 PM (NZ1lp)

557 Hey Spock, I'm a little 'tense'. Howzabout one of those Vulcan handjobs with the magic finger stuff?

Posted by: Kirk at September 03, 2022 09:51 PM (oTZbj)

558 Mitch has decided to do his own rally
Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 09:44 PM (us2H3)

Which rest home?

Posted by: Diogenes at September 03, 2022 09:51 PM (anj39)

559 Can't two friends engage in a little spooning without people overreacting?

Posted by: Kirk and Spock lounging on a sehlat skin rug sipping Saurian brandy at September 03, 2022 09:52 PM (Dc2NZ)

560 Once again, many thanks to TJM for picking up and running with the joke!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 03, 2022 09:52 PM (u73oe)

561 559 Can't two friends engage in a little spooning without people overreacting?

Posted by: Kirk and Spock lounging on a sehlat skin rug sipping Saurian brandy at September 03, 2022 09:52 PM (Dc2NZ

Word is Han and Chewy liked to spoon for warmth.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 03, 2022 09:53 PM (9qSw/)

562 You like a story or series. You love the characters. The show is either defunct or you are between series. So you write a story about the characters you love in new situations.
Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022
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Well, unless the the original material is in the public domain, as is RLS, the writers of fanfic are stealing. Full stop.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 03, 2022

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No, it isn't stealing. None of us make any money, or try to, from someone else's intellectual property. Nor do we pretend that the characters or background are our original work. Plus it is good writing practice for doing our own original stuff. Where's the harm?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 09:53 PM (c6xtn)

563 I'm enjoying this Spockumentary.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 03, 2022 09:53 PM (Dc2NZ)

564
Well, unless the the original material is in the public domain, as is RLS, the writers of fanfic are stealing. Full stop.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 03, 2022 09:47 PM (3Rtg/)

I think most of this stuff is done for non-profit.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Johnson at September 03, 2022 09:53 PM (dNqv+)

565 I just ordered a book that's about the Battle of Lake Erie. And adventure! I'm re-reading "Neptune's Inferno" so Lake Erie will be next.

Posted by: mrp at September 03, 2022 09:53 PM (6eRlp)

566 Word is Han and Chewy liked to spoon for warmth.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 03, 2022 09:53 PM (9qSw/)
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Han IS actually familiar with the inside of a Wookie.

Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at September 03, 2022 09:54 PM (Dc2NZ)

567 Yeah, I get that now. Presumably the writers of "slash" fic are queer themselves. Cultural vandalism. No different, really, than throwing paint on the Mona Lisa.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

It's weird because afaict it's straight women that write and read slash

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at September 03, 2022 09:55 PM (gbzeC)

568
Maybe not as much as once thought, apparently John "FARA? What's a FARA" Podesta is joining the Biden administration.
Podesta is a ClintonWorld flunky, but is being brought into SCOAMF world for a reason.
I don't like this development one bit.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 03, 2022 09:49 PM (6ixcG)

Well, if one of the cabal go down, all the cabals go down. (In this case it might be in Hillary's best interest to make nice and hope that O/R prevail, and that the deep state wins.)

That is operating under the assumption that The Donald, runs and wins in 2024.

#rectificationofnames

Posted by: browndog Official Mascot of Team Gizzard at September 03, 2022 09:55 PM (BgMrQ)

569 There are some micro-studios in France that are like Corridor, but far, far prettier

Seth Ickerman is one, they started doing films in their garage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twX_v2R10GQ

Posted by: Kindltot at September 03, 2022 09:56 PM (xhaym)

570 No, it isn't stealing. None of us make any money, or try to, from someone else's intellectual property. Nor do we pretend that the characters or background are our original work. Plus it is good writing practice for doing our own original stuff. Where's the harm?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 09:53 PM (c6xtn)

If I sneak into your house and steal your Peruvian Hog bristle shaving brush, it's stealing, even if I don't sell it.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 03, 2022 09:56 PM (3Rtg/)

571 being reported that Jon Meachum wrote Brandon's speech

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 09:56 PM (us2H3)

572 The only fan fiction I have been tempted to write is Jaws.

I always imagined four movies, one each for the three main characters as prequels about their lives before the island and what brought them there, and another that would be a courtroom drama about the aftermath when Brody and Hopper got back to the Island, the Kitner boys mother sues the town, dark secrets about the town start bubbling to the surface, murder, seductions and intrigues.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 03, 2022 09:57 PM (6ixcG)

573 571 being reported that Jon Meachum wrote Brandon's speech
Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 09:56 PM (us2H3)

Who?

Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 03, 2022 09:58 PM (9qSw/)

574 I'll admit that a LOT of fan fiction I've read seems pretty amateurish -- in the writing, the plotting, the dialogue, the situations, or sometimes all of them. To discover a writer like Cynthia Walker ("CWW") who uses English properly and tells good stories with human emotions too is remarkable.

I'd like to think I do well at that too. But I can't be sure. The fanzine editors love my stuff, but it could be partly because they do not need to edit my work to get it up to publishable standards!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 09:59 PM (c6xtn)

575 Another good movie thread TJM. Looking forward to the upcoming Hal Needham retrospective.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 03, 2022 09:59 PM (qH6FZ)

576 Slim pickings when it comes to 21st century actresses considered "ho" by old guys. Christina Hendricks comes to mind, but after her?

Posted by: mrp at September 03, 2022 09:59 PM (6eRlp)

577 Wolfus: I started with Hoga Kuryakin, moved on to Spock, then moved to Han. A lot of my fellow writers followed the same path. The primary characters usually have a pretty firm background. You can find the occasional omission to work with. But the second character has the least amount of background. The prime example is Han Solo. The word "Corellian" is mentioned only once in original trilogy canon when Han brags about the Falcon out running big Corellian ships. Only in the novelization of ANH does Lucas say Han is Corellian. And that mention spawned many an argument. A very good friend and better writer than I ever was, sniffed that his home world was Corella, not some damn brand of tableware.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at September 03, 2022 09:59 PM (9SjWf)

578 The only fan fiction I have been tempted to write is Jaws.

I always imagined four movies, one each for the three main characters as prequels about their lives before the island and what brought them there, and another that would be a courtroom drama about the aftermath when Brody and Hopper got back to the Island, the Kitner boys mother sues the town, dark secrets about the town start bubbling to the surface, murder, seductions and intrigues.
Posted by: Thomas Bender at September 03, 2022

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Sounds a lot like Benchley's original novel!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 10:00 PM (c6xtn)

579 LOL not "ho" "hot" sorryyyy.

Posted by: mrp at September 03, 2022 10:00 PM (6eRlp)

580 Copyright law related to fan fiction is murky, but smart rights holders understand that fan fiction writers are their friends. Not so smart companies go after then, and usually go down in flames because they alienated their customer base.

Posted by: CppThis at September 03, 2022 10:00 PM (UewuT)

581
No, it isn't stealing. None of us make any money, or try to, from someone else's intellectual property. Nor do we pretend that the characters or background are our original work. Plus it is good writing practice for doing our own original stuff. Where's the harm?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
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At the risk of being tedious, and straying from the cinema theme, them of you who are writers would likely find P.D. James somewhat-autobiography, 'Time To Be In Earnest' , a good read. Her life, and her reflections on her writing are very interesting.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 03, 2022 10:01 PM (jZBWN)

582 I bet money there are people going after Trump because of Hillary.
Posted by: AlaBAMA at September 03, 2022 09:47 PM (9qSw/)

There has been so much malfeasance that it could be anything by anyone who can make the FBI and the DOJ dance.
One reporter is claiming it is over the Iran deal and that pallet of cash, so Obama

Posted by: Kindltot at September 03, 2022 10:01 PM (xhaym)

583 I'd like to think I do well at that too. But I can't be sure. The fanzine editors love my stuff, but it could be partly because they do not need to edit my work to get it up to publishable standards!
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 09:59 PM (c6xtn)

So, if your fanfic gets published, someone is making, or hoping to make, a buck off it, just not you.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 03, 2022 10:01 PM (3Rtg/)

584 Nov 09, 2020 · Presidential historian Jon Meacham was reportedly let go as an MSNBC contributor after he apparently failed to disclose to the network that he was a speechwriter for President-elect Joe Biden

Posted by: DB at September 03, 2022 10:02 PM (geLO8)

585 aaaaand willowed

Posted by: DB at September 03, 2022 10:02 PM (geLO8)

586 AOP: You don't publish a fan zine for money. It is amateur in the original sense of the word: "amo", I love in Latin. We publish, write, and read for the love of it.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at September 03, 2022 10:05 PM (9SjWf)

587 No, it isn't stealing. None of us make any money, or try to, from someone else's intellectual property. Nor do we pretend that the characters or background are our original work. Plus it is good writing practice for doing our own original stuff. Where's the harm?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022
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If I sneak into your house and steal your Peruvian Hog bristle shaving brush, it's stealing, even if I don't sell it.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 03, 2022

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Sure. But in the case of fan fiction, the original property remains with the creators. Some of the fan fic may cast disrepute on the original -- which is my view on slash fiction. But it doesn't deprive the creators of their work or their profits.

If the author, like Anne McCaffrey of the Pern series, refuses to allow fan fiction, that is his right, and someone who persists is offending the author. But we're simply playing in their created universe. It's actually flattering to the creator.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 10:05 PM (c6xtn)

588 >>> 65 Why did I go to these lengths? Well, the first was the joke itself. Inspired by our dear commenter Duke Lowell who has kept it up as a meme without any feedback for months, I decided to just do it without any fanfare. I thought it would amuse him. I hope it has.
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Wait, you're saying that YOU were being sarcastic? I was agreeing with every sentiment ... I just can't even.

In many ways, isn't the story of J.J. McQuade & Rawley Wilkes the story of Ace and Sponge?
Posted by: ShainS -- Go Galt or Go Rome at September 03, 2022 06:54 PM (QbCrG)

I've met Sponge, and you sir - er wait, Sponge is no supervillain! Obviously, J.J. McQuade & Rawley Wilkes is the story of Ace and Jonah Goldberg. Q.E.D!

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at September 03, 2022 10:06 PM (llON8)

589
So, if your fanfic gets published, someone is making, or hoping to make, a buck off it, just not you.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 03, 2022

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I think fanzine publishers charge barely enough to cover postage costs. In the days of print zines, anyway. I'm not sure what they do now.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 10:07 PM (c6xtn)

590 If I sneak into your house and steal your Peruvian Hog bristle shaving brush, it's stealing, even if I don't sell it. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 03, 2022 09:56 PM (3Rtg/)

I am not sure I want to get into a discussion about Intellectual Property Rights. Everyone has an opinion but rarely does everyone agree to terms beforehand

However, I offer this: Blind Assassin Zatochi vs Predator

https://youtu.be/NsbVTPftcgs

Posted by: Kindltot at September 03, 2022 10:10 PM (xhaym)

591 olfus: I started with Hoga Kuryakin, moved on to Spock, then moved to Han. A lot of my fellow writers followed the same path. . . .
Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin -- I wasn't particularly fond of the '70s the first time around at September 03, 2022

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"Hoga" Kuryakin?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at September 03, 2022 10:28 PM (c6xtn)

592 IP, copyright and fan fiction etc.

For those interested in a bit of background and informed opinion on the topic, here's a roughly 20-year old law review article: https://scholarship.law.georgetown.EDU /cgi/viewcontent.cgi? article=2936&context=facpub

And a more recent business review article: https://hbr.ORG/2019/07/ when-fandom-clashes-with-ip-law

And an interesting article on fair use and fan fiction video: https://www.videomaker.COM /how-to/legal/copyright /how-does-fair-use-apply-to-fan-fiction-video/

I vouch for the legal efficacy of none of the foregoing, but thought they were interesting and might add a bit more than simple opinion to the discussion. To access the articles you'll need to eliminate the obvious extra spaces; I added them to meet posting requirements.

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