Ace of Spades Gardening, Puttering and Adventure Thread, Labor Day Weekend

Happy Labor Day Weekend! Having guests in the yard? Or is it still too hot? Forcast is daunting for us today. Odd that our hottest weather this year seems to be in September when the sun is highest in June.

Don in Kansas reminds us in the photo above that spring will arrive next year, with pansies and little skipper butterflies. Take a look around his site. There's some interesting non-gardening content there, too. Could serve as grist for conversation on other threads here at AoSHQ.

Ah, Nature

What looks like a hummingbird but isn't a hummingbird?

Hey KT,
I have heard that hummingbird moths are pretty rare but I get them every year around this time. I was out in the garden this morning and I have a bush called, I think, Yesterday, today and tomorrow, and the hummingbird moth loves it. In fact I had two on there.
Happy gardening everyone!
WeeKreekFarmGirl

Hummingbird moth

Fantastic for the low desert this time of year!

Edible Gardening/Putting Things By

From The Famous Pat*

By-Tor's ribbons last week were much fancier than mine, but I'm still proud of my haul - 7 ribbons out of 8 exhibits.

This baby weighed 9 pounds, 2.7 ounces, and only took second place! The first place winner must have been 11 pounds from the look of it.

Our fair contestants did well! The ribbons look great, Pat*

I want to know how you eat a zucchini that big!

And a question from Pat*

Does anyone know what causes tomatoes to have spots like this? These are San Marzanos, but I've had this problem with Romas too.

Gardens of The Horde

After a couple of hot & dry spells in August, the summer plants are
getting tired, but the fall plants haven't started blooming yet. But I did get more rain the usual in June & July, so the late daylilies lasted a little longer than usual. Autumn minaret had a long bloom cycle & is only now finishing up. But there isn't much else blooming except for some salvias & lobelias (a hummingbird favorite), and the hardy hibiscus & black-eyed susans.

Love them!

How is YOUR garden growing?

If you would like to send information and/or photos for the Saturday Gardening Thread, the address is:

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Last week's thread, Saturday Gardening, Puttering and Adventure Thread, August 27

Crushed Heart Tomato, Wild Boar Farms

Posted by: K.T. at 11:30 AM

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1 Good afternoon Greenthumbs

Posted by: Skip at September 03, 2022 01:32 PM (k8B25)

2 Only herbs, tomatoes and peppers growing.
Going to make chili again soon with chili peppers and Anaheims

Posted by: Skip at September 03, 2022 01:35 PM (k8B25)

3 My tomatoes were a bust this year. I guess getting a late start because I was away from mid March to late April hurt. Overwatering probably hurt too.

I am going to try tobacco next year. Already read up on it.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at September 03, 2022 01:37 PM (C1rbv)

4 Tomato monkeypox, don't eat them.

Posted by: Eromero at September 03, 2022 01:39 PM (oRWDD)

5 This evening I am " harvesting " my container potatoes. They've needed mounding a few times, so I am optimistic. I'll also be picking my spinach and arugula and planting one more round.

Tomorrow, last fertilizer application for the roses and cut back old canes. I will also pick the rosehips.

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 01:40 PM (Zzbjj)

6 There's grass behind my house

ok! see ya on a later thread

Posted by: DB at September 03, 2022 01:40 PM (geLO8)

7 Still very few tomatoes, lots of green ones but only had about five red ones so far. I have 12 plants in the ground!
My corn is looking nice, and I dug 10 lbs of potatoes out of a bed last week.

I took out my onions, they were doing nothing all Summer, and put in daikon, beets and parsnips, I will see if I can get them going and covered with a poly tunnel before the weather gets too cold.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 03, 2022 01:40 PM (xhaym)

8 Don't plant tobacco near tomatoes. Really.

Posted by: Eromero at September 03, 2022 01:40 PM (oRWDD)

9 Waiting on someone to acknowledge that they've done their work, then off to the yard to introduce the weeds to the cleansing power of fire.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com - Email for morons. at September 03, 2022 01:40 PM (Bd6X8)

10 I am also making apple chutney today, I am at the "simmer for 1-1/2 hrs" part

Posted by: Kindltot at September 03, 2022 01:42 PM (xhaym)

11 Nice veggies!

My tomato garden is in its final weeks. Definitely slowing down production after a crazy month of mater madness. The winner of all the heirlooms is definitely Black Pineapple, which has a beautiful tie dyed red/yellow/green flesh and delicious flavor. Green Tiger was tasty and prolific, as was Italian Genovese. Black Beauty was a disappointment. My Rebel Starfighter Prime is only now producing and beginning to ripen.

I can't believe how much more flavorful my tomatoes are compared to store bought, even heirlooms. Like a different species! But I see why they breed for the grocery. Mine were often ugly on the outside and misshapen.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at September 03, 2022 01:42 PM (0JevL)

12 Thanks for the tip. Either one or the other but not both.

Posted by: Chatterbox Mouse at September 03, 2022 01:43 PM (C1rbv)

13 Every thing is looking pretty bad in my garden. Between being sick off and on and the dreadfully hot weather weeds are everywhere, nothing has been trimmed. Did have a bumper crop of basil though and will be making another batch of pesto this Monday.

Posted by: jewells45 at September 03, 2022 01:47 PM (nxdel)

14 garden winding down, here ... Mrs Eez took down the cucumber fence today, squash bugs killed the last plants ... tomatoes are just hitting their stride, though; got about a bushel of assorted 'maters to juice and can today, probably have to do it again on Monday.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at September 03, 2022 01:49 PM (OQZDO)

15 We're in dehydration mode these days. Tomatoes, potatoes and peppers mostly. My wife made jalapeno poppers the other day and they were quite sporty. There's a single row of potatoes in the ground that should be ready to dig up around Thanksgiving and the herbs are doing well enough to consider them for the dehydrator as well.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at September 03, 2022 01:51 PM (BFigT)

16 how weird is this: Mrs Eez is making apple chutney today, too !

Posted by: sock_rat_eez - we are being gaslighted 24/365 at September 03, 2022 01:51 PM (OQZDO)

17 hiya

Posted by: JT at September 03, 2022 01:51 PM (T4tVD)

18 Chatterbox Mouse, I bought tobbaco seed years ago at Jacksonville TX veterans flea market, and the people I got it from told me never tomatoes an tobacco together. Don't remember the reason. But do remember Mrs. E traded off a 'tool' for what amounted to magic beans. I got the tobacco for barter in zombietimes.

Posted by: Eromero at September 03, 2022 01:52 PM (oRWDD)

19 Quiet in here ...
Does the Horde need a Nood?

Am taking a short rest after preparing a huge pan of giambotta for tomorrow... Essentially, it's an Italian-herbed stew made with beef plus whatever summer veggies are overwhelming the garden -- tomatoes, bell peppers (all colors), squashes, carrots and onions ... I always add mushrooms and, occasionally, black olives ... Will refrigerate overnight then just reheat tomorrow.

Posted by: Kathy at September 03, 2022 01:52 PM (W/Bpk)

20 I pulled out the vegetable garden this week - didn't really have a good year. Some tomatoes and jalapenos but nothing to write home about.

My spearmint tea did fantastic though and I'm now drying mass quantities for use this winter.

Posted by: Tonypete at September 03, 2022 01:54 PM (LsEU/)

21 My tomatoes are barely coming in to have on hand

Posted by: Skip at September 03, 2022 01:54 PM (k8B25)

22 19. Sounds wonderful

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 01:57 PM (Zzbjj)

23 15 when did you put your potatoes in?

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 01:58 PM (Zzbjj)

24 #18 ...I bought tobbaco seed years ago at Jacksonville TX veterans flea market, and the people I got it from told me never tomatoes an tobacco together. Don't remember the reason.

Posted by: Eromero at September 03, 2022 01:52 PM (oRWDD)

There's a mosaic virus that affects both plants and will jump between them. Highly transmissible including on the seeds. See:

https://extension.usu.edu/pests/ipm/notes_ag/veg-TMV-ToMV

(That mentions only the mater version since there's no tobacco grown in Utah.)

Posted by: Pat*''s Hubby at September 03, 2022 01:59 PM (IPgWZ)

25 Hiya K.T. !

Posted by: JT at September 03, 2022 02:00 PM (T4tVD)

26 Tobacco and tomatoes are susceptible to the same viruses. A smoker/gardener should wash hands after smoking before handling tomato plants.

Posted by: Emmie at September 03, 2022 02:01 PM (6RgRK)

27 I see Pat answered more quickly and more educationally.

Posted by: Emmie at September 03, 2022 02:02 PM (6RgRK)

28 I mean Pat's Hubby

Posted by: Emmie at September 03, 2022 02:03 PM (6RgRK)

29 Pat's hubby, I grew up in S.C. and tobacco was a big moneymaker as were tomatoes. But not together . We sprayed tomatos with manganese and copper/sulpher for scale. Sevin for bugs/worms. Never spayed tobacco.

Posted by: Eromero at September 03, 2022 02:06 PM (oRWDD)

30 Why no tobacco grown in Utah ?

Posted by: JT at September 03, 2022 02:06 PM (T4tVD)

31 I'm saving seeds that year from the overachievers. Good to have around if there are seed supply issues next year.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at September 03, 2022 02:07 PM (0JevL)

32 Never spayed tobacco.
Posted by: Eromero

then it could still have puppies.

Posted by: JT at September 03, 2022 02:08 PM (T4tVD)

33 A trip to Myrtle Beach one early fall day on back road got behind a tractor pulling a wagon of tobacco leaves. One leaf flew out and we pondered for a minute to go pick it up but didn't.
Leaf was huge, could have rolled a nice cigar out of it.

Posted by: Skip at September 03, 2022 02:09 PM (k8B25)

34 CN, I am in Western Oregon and I put my first tomatoes in for the middle of March, and then I put the next batch May 20th
After that I did a special bed where I dug and turned over a couple rows of turf to plant the potatoes under, I am going to dig those this week as well.
It is my "prepper" tater plot, no fertilization and no weeding, just watering to see if it is a decent way to do grow potatoes in a pinch.
It is called a Lazy Bed, and I suspect it can get my potatoes in the ground while the ground is still sopping since it will drain into the trenches on the side.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 03, 2022 02:10 PM (xhaym)

35 Just got in from the garden, wet and muddy (I showered, I'm fit to show up here now).

Very few tomatoes left that I planted, but the volunteer Black Russian from last year is taking over the fence and looking good for a late crop.

I harvested my Purple Viking potatoes, and they are really pretty. So much for low carb; I got taters.

I have a good patch of sweet potatoes, but I don't know how long it takes for them to be harvest ready. I can't find the original plants--they vine out, and send down more roots, and it's a free-for-all out there.

Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at September 03, 2022 02:10 PM (OX9vb)

36 Lots of talk about tomatoes, not sure if I can post a link or not but this u toob is gold. https://youtu.be/x2zoorfpZ5 0, remove the space between 5 and 0. The electric toothbrush method of pollination. Tomatoes are self pollinated but still need wind or bug motion to knock the pollen around inside the bloom. Also any temp over 90 will destroy tomato pollen. So hit new blooms every day in the early morning while the pollen is still fresh and powdery.

Posted by: KarlHungus at September 03, 2022 02:11 PM (MhCcX)

37 I'm saving seeds that year from the overachievers. Good to have around if there are seed supply issues next year.
Posted by: All Hail Eris at September 03, 2022 02:07 PM (0JevL)

Did that last year for my heirlooms, I am waiting to see if they bred true or not. I also started letting lettuce go to seed so I can save that seed as well.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 03, 2022 02:12 PM (xhaym)

38 Where you at kindlot, I'm also in western OR

Posted by: KarlHungus at September 03, 2022 02:12 PM (MhCcX)

39 Oh yeah, my Black From Tula plant gave some good tomatoes too.

I crowded too many tomato plants (is there such a thing?) into my small plot, but now that I know which varieties are worth my while I'll just plant a few.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at September 03, 2022 02:13 PM (0JevL)

40 [i[Where you at kindlot, I'm also in western OR
Posted by: KarlHungus at September 03, 2022 02:12 PM (MhCcX)

Near Dallas.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 03, 2022 02:15 PM (xhaym)

41 Lettuce should produce seed true to type. Along with peas, beans, tomatoes, all are self fertile and are easy first timer seed saver varieties. Been doing a lot of research on seed saving. Carrots will hybridize with queen annes lace(wild carrot) which we have a ton of, and beets, corn, squash, pretty much everything else needs special attention to isolate and keep seed true to type.

Posted by: KarlHungus at September 03, 2022 02:16 PM (MhCcX)

42 Tobacco is often planted near tomatoes "sacrificially." Certain pests strongly prefer the tobacco, and will go to it instead of the tomatoes. Of course, your tobacco will be terrible, but that wasn't the question.

Posted by: Way, Way Downriver at September 03, 2022 02:18 PM (x61Im)

43 My uncle is from Dallas, a lot of my family hails from Sweet Home, I'm in Cornelius.

Posted by: KarlHungus at September 03, 2022 02:18 PM (MhCcX)

44 Yep, them puppies was dippin' Copenhagen soon as they was weaned, JT.

Posted by: Eromero at September 03, 2022 02:20 PM (oRWDD)

45 34 thanks

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 02:20 PM (Zzbjj)

46 Peas can go in now and you can get a second crop, also plant lettuce, cabbage, kale, carrots, beets, other cool season crops, lots of people don't realize you can plant a fall garden to mirror your early spring garden plantings.

Posted by: KarlHungus at September 03, 2022 02:23 PM (MhCcX)

47 Tomatoes just ripening in my northern NH garden. Partially shaded by the forest around my house. Trying sweet potatoes for the first time and the vines have taken off.
Used volunteers from last year for white potatoes.
Also doing carrots, cherry tomatoes and beets.

Just in case Shaws runs out …

Posted by: RI Red at September 03, 2022 02:24 PM (1IP0F)

48 I was born in Dallas at Florence Nightingale hospital

I was immediately shipped out to the farm 2 hours away

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 02:26 PM (us2H3)

49 46. Doing lettuce, but beets sound great

Posted by: CN at September 03, 2022 02:26 PM (Zzbjj)

50 I planted a second round of cucumber and green beans last month; both are looking good. Beans are blooming, and some of the cucumbers are about an inch long already.

Tried loofah this year, but I'm not sure it had enough sunlight all day. That, or it's a late producer. The vines and leaves are huge, but it just started flowering.

Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at September 03, 2022 02:26 PM (OX9vb)

51 It is really hot here, as I'm sure it's hot at everyone else's place. My plants look kind of sad. I need to dead head.

The tomatoes are producing like crazy.

I saw corn sitting on the work bench by my garden shed. I think the guy that works at my house is saving it for seeds. We had maybe 10 plants of corn, the guy that works here takes it. He planted it, now that I think about it he probably saves ears of corn every year for seed.
Some friends grandkids have a corn stand and we get fresh corn from them. I want it picked the same day as I cook it.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 03, 2022 02:30 PM (2nXUK)

52 REDACTED, Dallas Oregon is the county seat for Polk County. Probably also named after Polk's VP

Posted by: Kindltot at September 03, 2022 02:30 PM (xhaym)

53 It was 90 by 930 here in SoCal with a lot of humidity. I stopped looking at the temp at that point. The garden is done and this h and h is going to go on yet another week here. Horrible! Or as the folks in the rest of the country call it— summer!

Posted by: keena at September 03, 2022 02:31 PM (RiTnx)

54 I have no garden but I just finished making 2 quarts of refrigerator pickles from farmers market pickling cukes. Kind of pathetic, I know. The only other canning I did was 11 quarts of Romas, also from the farmers market. I really don't know what I'm doing but I followed the instructions in the Ball cookbook to a T, so hopefully we will survive my meager canning attempts.

My Graniteware water bath canner spits water out the top while I'm processing my jars - has anyone had that problem? I bought it years ago and it sat untouched on the top shelf in the garage until last year, when I canned tomatoes for the first time. It happened then too. I've written to Graniteware about it and they wrote back to ask the capacity. I replied but haven't heard anything for a few weeks.

In the meantime I coped by clipping the lid to the pot with 4 wooden clothespins, then wrapping rolled dish towels around the top. Didn't really work well. I fill the canner with water to an inch over the canning jars as recommended, and by the time it's done and stops boiling, the water is just below the top. You have to boil at a hard boil so if I turn the burner down, it doesn't boil hard enough.

Posted by: bluebell at September 03, 2022 02:33 PM (aeePL)

55 52 REDACTED, Dallas Oregon is the county seat for Polk County. Probably also named after Polk's VP
Posted by: Kindltot at September 03, 2022 02:30 PM (xhaym)

Dallas OR isn't a real place is it ?

Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 02:33 PM (us2H3)

56 I am also doing Napa cabbage this year since my wife like to make kimchi, and one row I tied up to help it head, and the other row I left loose.
I have another batch I transplanted and is not doing well, so I hope they will get some growth as it gets cooler.

I am drying green beans because my wife also likes them for beans and hamhocks in the Winter.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 03, 2022 02:33 PM (xhaym)

57 Here is something I've never seen before. I bought some garlic and shallots from Harris seeds and I also ordered some flower seeds.

The gerber daisies are in a foil package with an arbitration clause, if I open the seal I'm bound to arbitration/mediation if the seed fails.

I've never seen that on a small package of seeds, strange.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 03, 2022 02:33 PM (2nXUK)

58 Ran out of room, but wanted to say there are no dents in the pot or lid, the lid slides around a bit and just won't stay put.

Makes a mess of my cooktop.

That is all.

Posted by: bluebell at September 03, 2022 02:34 PM (aeePL)

59 Dallas OR isn't a real place is it ?
Posted by: REDACTED at September 03, 2022 02:33 PM (us2H3)

Oh, no. Dallas is real. On the other hand, Lafayette Oregon is completely imaginary, as are many places in Yamhill county.

(/regionalist snark)

Posted by: Kindltot at September 03, 2022 02:36 PM (xhaym)

60 In puttering depth replaced my Bose speaker cones, rocking now.
Had a wire disconnected but found it in back of amp.

Posted by: Skip at September 03, 2022 02:36 PM (k8B25)

61 Bluebell, I bet you could still sterilize your shivs in it.

Posted by: RI Red at September 03, 2022 02:37 PM (1IP0F)

62 Bluebell, I bet you could still sterilize your shivs in it.
Posted by: RI Red at September 03, 2022 02:37 PM (1IP0F)
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What makes you think I don't already?

Posted by: bluebell at September 03, 2022 02:38 PM (aeePL)

63 😇
Gotta run. Going to the Lancaster Fair!

Posted by: RI Red at September 03, 2022 02:39 PM (1IP0F)

64 Gotta run. Going to the Lancaster Fair!
Posted by: RI Red at September 03, 2022 02:39 PM (1IP0F)
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You can run, but you cannot hide.

Have fun!

Posted by: bluebell at September 03, 2022 02:40 PM (aeePL)

65 Bluebell, the chances are that the pot is a touch too full of water, but in my experience that is just because the pot is really too short for quart jars.
The jars should be covered by an inch of boiling water, and Granite-ware pot is only that much taller than the jars. I have the same problem when I use a busted up Presto canner that is just a touch too short to do water bath canning. I do most of my canning outside so I don't have to worry about boil-overs.

Your solution with the clothespins is inspired, by the way.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 03, 2022 02:41 PM (xhaym)

66 RI Red, do me a favor and make a face an Jeremy Kaufman, he is running for Senator

Posted by: Kindltot at September 03, 2022 02:42 PM (xhaym)

67 I've never seen that on a small package of seeds, strange.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 03, 2022 02:33 PM (2nXUK)

Weird. Does that mean you have to plant them within a certain amount of time before you can claim failure? And if you claim failure, it gets arbitrated rather than immediate refund?

Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at September 03, 2022 02:42 PM (OX9vb)

68 bluebell, yeah, if you are using quart jars, you probably need a taller canner.

Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at September 03, 2022 02:46 PM (OX9vb)

69 67 I've never seen that on a small package of seeds, strange.
Posted by: CaliGirl

Weird. Does that mean you have to plant them within a certain amount of time before you can claim failure? And if you claim failure, it gets arbitrated rather than immediate refund?
Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at September

It says "by opening this package, you agree to terms and conditions stated in catalog and website" Then below that it says Arbitration/conciliation/mediation required by several states.
And then it lays out how to file a complaint with Ag secretary commissioner. And the Ag secretary has to inspect the crops.
The other flower seeds are in regular seeds packages.
If my seeds don't grow I would assume it was operator error, not a lawsuit.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 03, 2022 02:47 PM (2nXUK)

70 The gerber daisies are in a foil package with an arbitration clause, if I open the seal I'm bound to arbitration/mediation if the seed fails.
I've never seen that on a small package of seeds, strange.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 03, 2022 02:33 PM (2nXUK)

I wonder if the seed company hired a lawyer who used to work for a software company.
EULA for seeds? I wonder if that would hold up in court?

Posted by: Kindltot at September 03, 2022 02:48 PM (xhaym)

71 We have not used it yet but we purchased a Nesco 9 qt smart canner cooker. Anyone use one of these?

Posted by: Mrs. JTB at September 03, 2022 02:48 PM (7EjX1)

72 Bluebell, the mess on my cooktop would make me want to do the canning outside with a camping stove.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 03, 2022 02:49 PM (2nXUK)

73 Bluebell, I canned tomatoes for sauce and juice for at least 20 years by running them through a food mill to get the seeds and skins out. Then bring it to a boil, fill the jars and turn them upside down to cool. As long as the dimple goes in you're good.

Posted by: dartist at September 03, 2022 02:50 PM (RxTXB)

74 If my seeds don't grow I would assume it was operator error, not a lawsuit.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 03, 2022 02:47 PM (2nXUK)

LOL, right? That seems kind of extreme CYA for a packet of flower seeds.

Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at September 03, 2022 02:51 PM (OX9vb)

75 The Nesco looks like it would do everything but fill the jars and tong them out afterwards.
I'm sticking to my collection of Presto and All Americans, though.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 03, 2022 02:53 PM (xhaym)

76 I wonder if the seed company hired a lawyer who used to work for a software company.
EULA for seeds? I wonder if that would hold up in court?
Posted by: Kindltot at September 03, 2022 02:4

We grow vegetables and I showed my husband the
Foil package and he was confused too. I'd have to ask him what happens if he has seed fail who eats the cost, the farmer or the seed company.
For example one acre of broccoli is 15,000 plants so he buys a lot of seed and I'm sure some has failed. I have a memory of something like that happening but it was a long time ago.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 03, 2022 02:54 PM (2nXUK)

77 From Boise area: Highs 90 to 106! Lows 60-70.

Obviously I picked up my Fair ribbons. Now they're hanging on my cork board with the ones from 2019 and 2021. I'm definitely going to keep trying for more of those lovely blue ones. (Because I get more prize money from those, and I am totally in it to keep my retirement account funded. Totally!)

Yellow zucchinis are producing a lot - if supply chains fail this winter, I will survive on frozen grated zucchini somehow. And frozen green beans, which are producing well right now. Probably frozen cantaloupes, too, since it looks like a good crop coming on. I got some basil and oregano dried, but still need to do some parsley.

One San Marzano plant is starting to ripen a number of tomatoes, but the other looks close to dead. I just cut down one of the 2 eating tomato plants since it actually was dead. (I would say the Secret Tomato Fertilizer Mixture I put in at the start of the season is not the miracle mix I hoped...)
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Posted by: Pat* at September 03, 2022 02:54 PM (IPgWZ)

78 63 😇
Gotta run. Going to the Lancaster Fair!

Posted by: RI Red at September 03, 2022 02:39 PM (1IP0F)
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Now I am playing Scarborough Fair in my head.

Posted by: Ciampino - your turn in the barrel? at September 03, 2022 02:57 PM (qfLjt)

79 Pat,

Congrats on the wins at the fair!

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 03, 2022 02:59 PM (2nXUK)

80 72 Bluebell, the mess on my cooktop would make me want to do the canning outside with a camping stove.
Posted by: CaliGirl

Lord, the heat in the kitchen makes me want to do that! Have to get one of those before next summer.

Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at September 03, 2022 03:00 PM (OX9vb)

81 This morning, we tipped out the 3 least-promising potato bags, and got just over 3 pounds of fingerlings. But most are very tiny. (I'm tempted to find out if my neighbor's little girl has a doll we could dress up in farmer clothes, and stage a photo with those potatoes as the doll's bumper crop.) I'm really hoping that the bags with better-looking potato plants have more potatoes in them... The best-looking potato plants are on drip irrigation, so next year, all the potato bags get that treatment.

Husband pointed out that the surprise-strawberries in the lilac row had started heading for the neighbor's lawn. I went over, pulled out the ones furthest from the lilacs, and stuck them in some soil, in hopes I got enough roots that they'll survive the rough treatment and I can replace some of the June-bearers in the raised beds (maybe this fall?).

Scarlet sage is starting to bloom, so I'm hoping to see a hummingbird some morning when I go outside. We do see a lot of quail - Husband even saw this year's chicks when they were still small. Our quail love hiding in the burn piles. (We burn the spring pile before anyone gets any bright ideas about nesting in there!)
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Posted by: Pat* at September 03, 2022 03:05 PM (IPgWZ)

82 So, why the threat?
(See the headline on the post)

Posted by: KCSteve at September 03, 2022 03:07 PM (bxAlI)

83 80 72 Bluebell, the mess on my cooktop would make me want to do the canning outside with a camping stove.
Posted by: CaliGirl

Lord, the heat in the kitchen makes me want to do that! Have to get one of those before next summer.
Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at September 03, 2022 03:00 PM

Me too in the summer, I don't have AC and it's 103 outside now. I use the toaster oven if I can when It's this hot.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 03, 2022 03:07 PM (2nXUK)

84 82 So, why the threat?
(See the headline on the post)
Posted by: KCSteve at September 03, 2022 03:07 PM (bxAlI)

KT knows what we've been doing and she's not putting up with our crap anymore.

Posted by: CaliGirl at September 03, 2022 03:08 PM (2nXUK)

85 70 The gerber daisies are in a foil package with an arbitration clause, if I open the seal I'm bound to arbitration/mediation if the seed fails.
I've never seen that on a small package of seeds, strange.
Posted by: CaliGirl at September 03, 2022 02:33 PM (2nXUK)

I wonder if the seed company hired a lawyer who used to work for a software company.
EULA for seeds? I wonder if that would hold up in court?

Posted by: Kindltot at September 03, 2022 02:48 PM (xhaym)
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That's just it, they don't want you in court hence arbitration. By buying and opening the packet you have acknowledged agreement similar to opening a software package. (I'm not a lawyer).

Posted by: Ciampino has had MS EULAs explained to him at September 03, 2022 03:10 PM (qfLjt)

86 82 So, why the threat?

one of the reasons i don't like camping is the threat of adventure.

Posted by: kulak anachronda at September 03, 2022 03:15 PM (edU/H)

87 Don in Kansas, I will be in Kansas this week, if it goes well. I have my irises and raspberries ready to travel.

And I have been to Dallas, OR.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 03, 2022 03:15 PM (zJDZf)

88 Just looked around garden, only 2 worth picking are 1 chile and 1 Anaheim, 0 tomatoes

Posted by: Skip's phone at September 03, 2022 03:17 PM (k8B25)

89 #30 Why no tobacco grown in Utah ?
Posted by: JT at September 03, 2022 02:06 PM (T4tVD)

IIUC tobacco likes: heat, humidity, and rich, deep, well-watered soil. Utah has the first...

I'm sure there's ornamental tobacco grown there, but not the place to raise it as a cash crop.

Posted by: Pat*''s Hubby at September 03, 2022 03:19 PM (IPgWZ)

90 Lord, the heat in the kitchen makes me want to do that! Have to get one of those before next summer.
Posted by: April--dash my lace wigs! at September 03, 2022 03:00 PM (OX9vb)

I have a two burner propane stove, Camp King, that I use to can, and when it is really hot I use it to cook. I run it off a 5-gal tank.
It keeps the house cool, it knocks down easy to store in the winter, and is tall enough to go next to the picnic table for a work surface, and when I get a boil over I can ignore it and let the ants clean it up.
I keep swearing I am going to set up a sink with a bucket under it to do clean up and prep out there and have a proper canning kitchen

Posted by: Kindltot at September 03, 2022 03:23 PM (xhaym)

91 You need a single laundry tub on wheels. Nice and deep. Would work well for a canning kitchen

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 03, 2022 03:27 PM (zJDZf)

92 >Why no tobacco grown in Utah ?

Mormons don't smoke

Posted by: DB at September 03, 2022 03:28 PM (geLO8)

93 @59 we have a Kansas City too

Posted by: KarlHungus at September 03, 2022 03:28 PM (MhCcX)

94 I really encourage everyone to get a propane stove for canning outside. One year I went to the coast and bought fish on the dock and borrowed a friend's back porch to can the whole batch. They drank beer and I canned, it went well. I could have done it at one of the state parks, too, at least until someone complained.

I liked the canned red snapper, and the cats would do everything but cartwheels to get a taste of it too.

Posted by: Kindltot at September 03, 2022 03:29 PM (xhaym)

95 PET NOOD

Posted by: Skip's phone at September 03, 2022 03:31 PM (k8B25)

96 @56 I bought some 'greasy beans' seeds this year but didn't get them planted, Southern thing, where they thread the whole bean, pod and all on a thread to dry them out, thn reconstitute in the winter for a dish called leather britches.

Posted by: KarlHungus at September 03, 2022 03:32 PM (MhCcX)

97 KCSteve at September 03, 2022 03:07 PM

Thanks. Will fix!

Posted by: KT at September 03, 2022 03:42 PM (rrtZS)

98 KCSteve at September 03, 2022 03:07 PM

Oddly, we can't see the entire headline when editing. Can in preview, though. So no excuses.

Posted by: KT at September 03, 2022 03:44 PM (rrtZS)

99 I've been to Kansas City KS and Kansas City MO.

I have dried Kentucky Wonders as leather britches. I think I have some greasy bean seeds too.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at September 03, 2022 03:46 PM (zJDZf)

100 . Also any temp over 90 will destroy tomato pollen. So hit new blooms every day in the early morning while the pollen is still fresh and powdery.
Posted by: KarlHungus

In AZ low desert no tomatoes set when night time temps exceed 80F. If you can keep your plants alive (shade helps!) they will start producing when the night temps drop. I've had tomatoes produce through Jan when I had to plant the spring plants.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 03, 2022 03:48 PM (KhQzT)

101 KarlHungus at September 03, 2022 03:32 PM

In Switzerland, they keep "leather britches" (the beans) in pillow cases in the attic. Cook 'em with potatoes and sausage or ham in winter. The beans taste almost fresh.

If you don't want to string the beans, try 'Contender' bush beans for drying. They are also good pressure-canned, then cooked with potatoes and ham.

Posted by: KT at September 03, 2022 03:51 PM (rrtZS)

102 AZ deplorable moron at September 03, 2022 03:48 PM

One trick is to mist tomatoes in hot weather and put a thick mulch (even mostly shredded newspaper) over the roots.

Posted by: KT at September 03, 2022 03:53 PM (rrtZS)

103 One trick is to mist tomatoes in hot weather and put a thick mulch (even mostly shredded newspaper) over the roots.
Posted by: KT

Shade cloth and watering worked here.
The plants were in mulch from the 'free' Tempe program (available to Tempe residents). The mulch wasn't very fine; but, the basil, swiss chard, and tomatoes did really well.

Posted by: AZ deplorable moron at September 03, 2022 04:00 PM (KhQzT)

104 KT - it just caught my eye as being so amusing.

Posted by: KCSteve at September 03, 2022 04:34 PM (bxAlI)

105 I'm gonna email a pic of my wife's Ball Electric Water Bath Canner to KT.
Has a spigot on the side to drain so you don't have to pick up the darned thing to empty it. Also, being electric, it really doesn't add much heat to the kitchen.
The tomatoes were late, but fairly good. Never had the megadeath crush, but that's not a bad thing. She made me 8 quarts of spicy V8 type for vodka reasons, as an example.
Okra has been a huge disappointment. Getting some every day, but not enough to really pickle, or freeze, or whatever. We eat them grilled.
Cucumbers are phenomenal. Market More 76. We pulled 3 plants a month ago, just because we were tired of picking, and finding homes for excess. Can still get 2 or 3 gallons every 3 days from a 10X10 patch (3 hills).
Electric fence is a winner. Small possums were hammering us.

Posted by: MkY at September 03, 2022 06:29 PM (cPGH3)

106 I showed Dad the photos and explained the garden thread. He said he's had zucchini much bigger than Pat's and they went directly in the compost pile.

My parents' garden is in swing, which is good for me because the critters took all my green tomatoes, bit them and left them lying on the step and walk. M&D are giving me some.

My pre-holiday garden work was cleaning up tomatoes and taking care of a limb the came down. It missed the house but tangled in the wires and impaled itself pretty deep in the lawn. Will chop it up for a bonfire later.

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