Is Islam Ready To Enter The Modern World?

Being respectful of others' religions is a tenet of Western Philosophy, although "more honoured in the breach than in the observance." Here is an example of behavior that at first glance does seem disrespectful and unnecessarily inflammatory, especially in light of the Abraham Accords and it the ongoing easing of relations between Israel and the Arab and Muslim world.

Israel TV's shallow, irresponsible stunt

Gil Tamary, a journalist for Israel’s TV Channel 13, sneaked into Mecca and reported from there in a ten-minute segment. It’s hard to overstate the stupidity, arrogance and irresponsibility of both Tamary and Channel 13 in doing this.

Mecca is the holiest city in the Islamic world. It is home to the Kaaba, the most sacred site of all for Muslims and towards which they face in prayer.

Mecca is barred to non-Muslims. In his clip, Tamary visited Mount Arafat where Muslim pilgrims gather to pray during the climax of the hajj pilgrimage to Mecca each year.


But...am I the only one who is sick and tired of the constant kowtowing and bowing and scraping on the part of the West when it comes to Islam? It really is a sham...Western leaders rigidly enforce the idea that we must be perfectly respectful of everything that this bloodthirsty religion does, including when it -- in the guise of their fanatical imams -- insists upon particular modes of behavior in our own countries! Yet those same politicians can't resist denigrating and demeaning our own Western religions.

Maybe it is time to demand the same amount of respect from Islam that Islam demands of us!

Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman Should Open Mecca

The policy of exclusion isn’t merely unjust; it’s also not mandated by Islam. The Koran, at 9:28, bans only polytheists from the Great Mosque—it doesn’t prohibit every non-Muslim from visiting Mecca. As part of his sweeping reforms, Crown Prince Mohammed should open the city of Mecca, its surrounding and Medina to all comers. The mosques may remain exclusive to Muslims, but everything else should be accessible. International and nongovernmental organizations should pressure him to terminate his country’s discriminatory laws.

Mr. Tamary took a chance, initiated a discussion and potentially made a historic difference. He deserves respect, not condemnation.

That's a bit hyperbolic. Mr. Tamary was probably more interested in the notoriety and the prospect of a big fat scoop.

But the idea that Islam is in some way special, that it does not need to behave in a civilized manner simply because they demand to be treated differently is anathema to pluralistic societies, and something that we should push against. Does the Saudi ruling family have the right to keep others out of their holy cities? Sure! But so do we. Maybe we should start restricting Muslims from entering the great cathedrals of Europe, or for that matter the church on the corner.

It's an interesting issue, and one that has no easy solutions, other than for Islam to enter the 21st century, and that isn't going to happen for a long, long time.

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Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 07, 2022 12:01 PM (BFigT)

2 Hah... nailed it.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 07, 2022 12:01 PM (BFigT)

3 Making lunch wasn't watching time

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2022 12:04 PM (k8B25)

4 Could've been first, but read the content. Noob mistake, I know.

Posted by: olddog in mo, No Cheetos allowed on the 'toon at August 07, 2022 12:04 PM (nb5Ym)

5 Yeah Buddy

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at August 07, 2022 12:04 PM (R5lpX)

6 Er, No

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2022 12:05 PM (k8B25)

7 Hmmm, do modern leftists qualify as polytheists? Seems to me that they should since they claim governments and oftentimes themselves as deities.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at August 07, 2022 12:05 PM (3cGpq)

8 "Being respectful of others' religions is a tenet of Western Philosophy"

It's a goal of most western liberal societies, but can't think of a philosopher offhand who called for that specifically.

Posted by: In Case Of gp, Break Glass at August 07, 2022 12:05 PM (qpX6U)

9 Coulda been a contender, but hadda restart my phone.

Posted by: That Guy What Always Says Yeah Buddy TM at August 07, 2022 12:05 PM (R5lpX)

10 I will give the death cultists one thing. They tell the gaystapo to get stuffed instead of kow-towing like so many churches have done.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at August 07, 2022 12:07 PM (3cGpq)

11 Sure. Just start admitting love is love.

Posted by: Minkeypox at August 07, 2022 12:07 PM (sn5EN)

12 You wanna be a muzzie? Fine. I have no problem with that. Just don't force me celebrate it. This goes with a whole lot of other things too.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2022 12:08 PM (anj39)

13 I'm not a Muzz and I'm not ready for the modern world

anyone that is ready for this "modern world", I give the raised arch side eye

Posted by: REDACTED at August 07, 2022 12:09 PM (us2H3)

14 Decca>Mecca

Funky Cold Medina>Medina, KSA

Posted by: Lance McBoyle at August 07, 2022 12:09 PM (PIlQh)

15 That Tamara did always wondered why no one else has.
The issue is Islam is a cult on what Mo did and said, evening it changes through his life as he could or did as events happened. Toss any of it out the thought is, it falls apart.

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2022 12:09 PM (k8B25)

16 Virtually all western governments genuflect toward Islam. It makes no sense.

Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at August 07, 2022 12:10 PM (eGTCV)

17 If the Crown Prince opened up Mecca I'd think that would put a big target on his back with the extremists. Gonna have to hire more food tasters.

Posted by: olddog in mo, No Cheetos allowed on the 'toon at August 07, 2022 12:10 PM (nb5Ym)

18 Book "The Siege of Mecca" covers French special forces helping the Saudis in Mecca suppress terrorists.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 07, 2022 12:10 PM (uXUI3)

19 Posted by: In Case Of gp, Break Glass at August 07, 2022 12:05 PM (qpX6U)

Foster Brooks did it, at a Dean Martin Celebrity Roast.

Posted by: Mayor Pete at August 07, 2022 12:11 PM (Spr0s)

20 Jimmy Carter thought they were just alright.

Posted by: Javems at August 07, 2022 12:13 PM (AmoqO)

21 Oh I don't know N.L. Not wanting to rile up a billion potential terrorists is not exactly crazy. The western governments has not studied history nor thought about the escalating demands the jihadis will make, but kowtowing does make short sighted, cowardly sense.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at August 07, 2022 12:14 PM (3cGpq)

22 and sarab by raja aljea, is about one of the female fighters, and her complicated relations with a french paratrooper, she wrote a earlier novel, the dove's necklace, about the more unsavory parts of the city,

Posted by: no 6 at August 07, 2022 12:14 PM (i0Lci)

23 10 I will give the death cultists one thing. They tell the gaystapo to get stuffed instead of kow-towing like so many churches have done.
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable

Yep. Agree 100%.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 07, 2022 12:14 PM (U2p+3)

24 Well Islam is taking a beating the last 4 days in Gaza. There is that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2022 12:14 PM (Irn0L)

25 I have the same respect for Islam as Islamists have for me.

None.

The only reason anyone cares about Muslims is oil. Without it they are just another 3rd world shithole.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 07, 2022 12:15 PM (ZLI7S)

26 the consequences of the siege, was then prince fahd, capitulated to much of juhaymans demands, restricting women's rights,

Posted by: no 6 at August 07, 2022 12:15 PM (i0Lci)

27 Dallas used to have a bunch of great breakfast spots

The Mecca was one of them

Posted by: REDACTED at August 07, 2022 12:15 PM (us2H3)

28 >>>Being respectful of others' religions is a tenet of Western Philosophy

Which respect ends once it transcends the boundaries of religion into political ideology and system of governance.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 07, 2022 12:15 PM (U3uv2)

29 The Koran, at 9:28, bans only polytheists from the Great Mosque—it doesn’t prohibit every non-Muslim from visiting Mecca.

I believe Muslims would say that Christians are polytheists, because of the Trinity. That is not to defend their policy.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 07, 2022 12:15 PM (/NCI4)

30 Being respectful of others' religions is a tenet of Western Philosophy

We buy into religious tolerance because Christians got tired of killing our brothers over doctrinal disputes. It's a short leap from their to include Jews since we believe they worship the same God as us (without getting into criticisms to avoid inflamation).

Religious tolerance only works when it's mutual, otherwise it is eventually replaced with submission. And, as an American, I feel no need at all to tolerate anyone whose religion doesn't get them to the self-evident truths this country is founded on.

Posted by: Methos at August 07, 2022 12:15 PM (kOpft)

31 "Being respectful of others' religions is a tenet of Western Philosophy"

Some philosophers definitely called for religious tolerance, and for the protection of the rights of other religious believers. Call that respect, I guess.

Posted by: In Case Of gp, Break Glass at August 07, 2022 12:16 PM (qpX6U)

32 I'm not a Muzz and I'm not ready for the modern world

anyone that is ready for this "modern world", I give the raised arch side eye
Posted by: REDACTED at August 07, 2022 12:09 PM (us2H3)


*runs to bathroom mirror to try arched side eye raising*

Dang. That's hard. I'm better with the left eye. I wonder if that means anything?

Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2022 12:16 PM (anj39)

33 Had lunch, now need a nap

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2022 12:16 PM (k8B25)

34 *there*

Posted by: Methos at August 07, 2022 12:17 PM (kOpft)

35 I think the muzzies would prefer the modern world to join Islam and not the other way around.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 07, 2022 12:17 PM (BFigT)

36 >>I believe Muslims would say that Christians are polytheists, because of the Trinity. That is not to defend their policy.

You believe correctly.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 07, 2022 12:17 PM (ZLI7S)

37 The only reason anyone cares about Muslims is oil. Without it they are just another 3rd world shithole.

Don't forget that they control the all-important date, myrrh and frankincense cartels.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 07, 2022 12:18 PM (/NCI4)

38 Familiarity breeds contempt

TV and the little screen you're staring at has brought a lot of this on

and the areoplane didn't help

Posted by: REDACTED at August 07, 2022 12:19 PM (us2H3)

39 Islam will never enter the 21st century or any other century.

It is evil and is only fit for the dust bin of history.

Of course, that is "hate speech" in the West, too preoccupied with hastening it's own demise while watching The View, attending sodomite monkey pox parties and enjoying the wonders of "green" energy.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 07, 2022 12:19 PM (R/m4+)

40 We buy into religious tolerance because Christians got tired of killing our brothers over doctrinal disputes.

That sounds like something an Arian would say.

Posted by: Archimedes at August 07, 2022 12:19 PM (/NCI4)

41 Muslims were the first transexuals, since all their men wear dresses

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2022 12:19 PM (Irn0L)

42 I am of this mind.


These Letters Offer a Window into George Washington’s Views on Religious Liberty

. . .

Washington defined a vital, visible public role for religion in the civil polity and simultaneously affirmed a robust policy of religious liberty.

https://tinyurl.com/nhfwkxfd

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 07, 2022 12:20 PM (U3uv2)

43 The only reason anyone cares about Muslims is oil. Without it they are just another 3rd world shithole.

Don't forget that they control the all-important date, myrrh and frankincense cartels.
Posted by: Archimedes at August 07, 2022 12:18 PM (/NCI4)


And pistachios. A lot of the world's pistachios come from Turkey.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2022 12:20 PM (anj39)

44 *runs to bathroom mirror to try arched side eye raising*

Dang. That's hard. I'm better with the left eye. I wonder if that means anything?
Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2022 12:16 PM (anj39)

purty shore that means ur really gay

Posted by: REDACTED at August 07, 2022 12:21 PM (us2H3)

45 Oops, another case of me posting and running. I need to go do stuff instead of just being a lump on my chair.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at August 07, 2022 12:21 PM (3cGpq)

46 14 Decca>Mecca

amongst my crowd, "decca" was maynard, mass

Posted by: anachronda at August 07, 2022 12:21 PM (1Ckba)

47 If the temple still existed on the temple mount, it would be problematic for non cohens to enter certain areas of the temple complex, especially the holy-of-holies. So yes, I believe this was a very unwise move on Mr. Tamary's part.

That being said, you don't see Jews forcing non-Jews in territories it controls forcing Muslims to convert, be dhimmis, or die.

If the muslims want tolerance of their religion, they have to have tolerance of others. In muslim countries. And more than just "allowing" them to live.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 07, 2022 12:22 PM (ynpvh)

48 You have to wonder why the LGBTQ mob hasn't gone after Islam. It's as if they know they won't win. Where's the threats against mosques? Where's the riots when another homosexual is thrown off a building or stoned?

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 07, 2022 12:22 PM (U2p+3)

49 "That Tamara did always wondered why no one else has."

Tamara is hardly the first. Richard Francis Burton -- the explorer and linguist, not the actor -- snuck into Mecca in the 19th century, and published a book about his experiences. There have been others as well. They did so at the risk of their lives; an infidel discovered in Mecca would have been killed immediately.

Posted by: Nemo at August 07, 2022 12:22 PM (S6ArX)

50 An islam which respects other religions and viewpoints would no longer be islam.

Example: It would be perfectly moral and maybe even exemplary if a muslim pranced up to say, a Chinese Buddhist and shot them in the head.

Why? Cuz according to the koran they are pagans and have no rights including those of life.

Maybe when Iran starts lobbing around the nukes to bring on the 12th imam will the rest of the world(probably meaning us) be willing to do the dirty work it will take to not reform but eliminate islam(think naziiosm in post-war Germany).

Posted by: naturalfake at August 07, 2022 12:22 PM (5NkmN)

51 The world has cared for Islam for millenia worried they will be taken,robbed or killed.

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2022 12:23 PM (k8B25)

52 You believe correctly.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 07, 2022 12:17 PM (ZLI7S)

And while we are at it, never fall for the canard that muslims worship the God of Abraham. It's pretty damned clear that muzzies joyfully claim for allah all the attributes given to Satan in the Bible.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 07, 2022 12:24 PM (Xz9Z7)

53 purty shore that means ur really gay
Posted by: REDACTED at August 07, 2022 12:21 PM (us2H3)


Naaa. If I was, my wife would of told me.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2022 12:25 PM (anj39)

54 20 Jimmy Carter thought they were just alright.

Posted by: Javems at August 07, 2022 12:13 PM (AmoqO)

Oh Yeah!

Posted by: Muzzie Doobie Brothers at August 07, 2022 12:25 PM (ynpvh)

55 hiya

Posted by: JT at August 07, 2022 12:25 PM (T4tVD)

56 Islam is a political movement wearing the trappings of a religion.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, introspectively at August 07, 2022 12:26 PM (jTmQV)

57 HEY! islam is The Religion of Peace, and you have a problem with That.. They'll f*cking KILL YOU!

Posted by: gilbar at August 07, 2022 12:28 PM (WMh0E)

58 When Pompey was on his Eastern Mediterranean beat down tour (he essentially just did a complete end run from Turkey to the Sinai Peninsula, smacking people around and making client states) he demanded entry into the Temple at Jerusalem. And walked right in to the Inner Sanctuary over many protests. Some argue that this set in motion the whole long line of wackiness that led to the eventual destruction of Jerusalem, the rebellions, and the Diaspora.

Now Pompey was a... pompous ass (oh, that's where that comes from.) However, there is a lot of stuff that goes in to all of that history. Some of the reason for the rebellions have nothing to do with what Pompey and later Romans did, but was a reaction to what the other Jewish authorities did in reaction to the Roman conquest. However, it is not like it helped. On the other, other hand, people are people. When studying this bit, I was struck by how much it reminded me of the Scots. If you read about the Romans interactions with the early Scots, you essentially watch as they build a wall (Hadrian's) and let the far north get back to the business of fighting their REAL enemy- other Scots.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 07, 2022 12:28 PM (dNqv+)

59 Is Tamary on a hit list?...or just moved up on a hit list?

Posted by: BignJames at August 07, 2022 12:28 PM (AwYPR)

60 There won't be a ceasefire unless Israel accepts Palestinian Islamic Jihad's demands, a leader of the terrorist group based in Lebanon said on Sunday.

"There will be no ceasefire if the occupation doesn't accept our demands," said Ihsan Ataya.

LOL, Drop dead

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2022 12:29 PM (Irn0L)

61 we probably have more in common with the muzzes than the cocksuckers in DC

they are the real terrorists

Posted by: REDACTED at August 07, 2022 12:29 PM (us2H3)

62 56 Islam is a political movement wearing the trappings of a religion.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, introspectively at August 07, 2022 12:26 PM (jTmQV)

It's more than that. It is a religious system, "moral" system, system of governance (political), Military force...
It's many things, and many of those things are not good.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 07, 2022 12:29 PM (ynpvh)

63 60 There won't be a ceasefire unless Israel accepts Palestinian Islamic Jihad's demands, a leader of the terrorist group based in Lebanon said on Sunday.

"There will be no ceasefire if the occupation doesn't accept our demands," said Ihsan Ataya.
LOL, Drop dead
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2022 12:29 PM (Irn0L)

Islamic Jihad Demands = Death to Israel and all Jews

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 07, 2022 12:31 PM (ynpvh)

64 16 Virtually all western governments genuflect toward Islam. It makes no sense.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at August 07, 2022 12:10 PM (eGTCV)

Fear.

Posted by: Ordinary American at August 07, 2022 12:31 PM (H8QX8)

65 Are they ready for pork ribs?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at August 07, 2022 12:32 PM (7YGxy)

66 64 16 Virtually all western governments genuflect toward Islam. It makes no sense.
Posted by: N.L. Urker, there are chickens in my trench at August 07, 2022 12:10 PM (eGTCV)

Fear.

Posted by: Ordinary American at August 07, 2022 12:31 PM (H8QX


Black Jack Pershing knew a thing or two about dealing with muslims...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 07, 2022 12:32 PM (ynpvh)

67
I believe Muslims would say that Christians are polytheists, because of the Trinity. That is not to defend their policy.


Most nominal Christians don't even understand or believe in the Trinity. Maybe the Muslims are just trying to play it safe.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 07, 2022 12:32 PM (qibYB)

68 65 Are they ready for pork ribs?

Posted by: Commissar of Plenty and Lysenko Solutions at August 07, 2022 12:32 PM (7YGxy)

I joke with my wife about opening a Beef and Pork BBQ place in India. Get it insured up the max, because somebody's gonna burn it down...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 07, 2022 12:33 PM (ynpvh)

69 "60 There won't be a ceasefire unless Israel accepts Palestinian Islamic Jihad's demands, a leader of the terrorist group based in Lebanon said on Sunday."

"Peace will come when the Arabs start loving their children more than they hate the Jews."
Golda Meir

Posted by: Ordinary American at August 07, 2022 12:34 PM (H8QX8)

70 >>And while we are at it, never fall for the canard that muslims worship the God of Abraham. It's pretty damned clear that muzzies joyfully claim for allah all the attributes given to Satan in the Bible.

I used to travel to the region frequently on business. Praise Allah, I never will again. The only place that was moderately tolerable was Dubai and that's because it was the only place that even pretended to be modern.

I got used to Euro trash looking down their noses at me because I was a dumb American, useful only for bailing them out when they once again fucked up. Smartest dumb people I've ever met. A continent of Karens.

But Muslims flat out hate us for no reason other than they know they live in a backward culture and it's easier to make up a religion and blame a more successful culture than look inward. We've been at war with Islam for my entire life, it's way past time to speak the truth.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 07, 2022 12:34 PM (ZLI7S)

71 56 Islam is a political movement wearing the trappings of a religion.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, introspectively at August 07, 2022 12:26 PM (jTmQV)


Islam is a religion tailor-made for a dictatorship form of governance. Gosh, that fellow Muhammed didn't become a dictator, did he? If so, that was only a coincidence. Right? Right????

Posted by: Gref at August 07, 2022 12:34 PM (AMIL/)

72 > You have to wonder why the LGBTQ mob hasn't gone after Islam.
________________

You're right about the deviants being scared of the muzz. Had we (the normies) pushed back on their nonsense from day one with threats of institutionalization it might be a different story today. Those weirdos need to be put away.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 07, 2022 12:34 PM (BFigT)

73 And I just mentioned the late James V. Schall (SJ) and his book "The Regensburg Lecture". Benedict XVI's lecture at the University of Regensburg on September 12, 2006 is subtitled "Faith, Reason, and the University: Memories and Reflections"
is a powerful essay on the state of Western Civilization and the challenge it faces against Islamist terrorism and the agents of decay within the democratic countries. Essential reading. The Lecture itself is online, including the Vatican archives. Schall's book is an excellent treatise on the lecture itself.

Posted by: mrp at August 07, 2022 12:34 PM (6eRlp)

74 69 "60 There won't be a ceasefire unless Israel accepts Palestinian Islamic Jihad's demands, a leader of the terrorist group based in Lebanon said on Sunday."

"Peace will come when the Arabs start loving their children more than they hate the Jews."
Golda Meir

Posted by: Ordinary American at August 07, 2022 12:34 PM (H8QX

At this point, it's not just the Arabs; the Iranians have their monkey pox paws in all sorts of activities in the ME...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 07, 2022 12:35 PM (ynpvh)

75 After the attacks on 911 I read the English translation of the Koran. It is online at the University of Virginia, along with all the Hadiths.
Morality is, of course, a function of politics.
According to Islam, you have to invite your fellow humans to convert before killing them or making them pay the jizya tax. There's the morality.
The whole thing is about deception, not enlightenment.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, introspectively at August 07, 2022 12:35 PM (jTmQV)

76 56 Islam is a political movement wearing the trappings of a religion.
Posted by: gourmand du jour, introspectively at August 07, 2022 12:26 PM (jTmQV)

Disagree. A lot of what we consider as unsavory in Islam is cultural and tribal hand me downs of the Arabs.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 07, 2022 12:35 PM (dNqv+)

77 70 >>And while we are at it, never fall for the canard that muslims worship the God of Abraham. It's pretty damned clear that muzzies joyfully claim for allah all the attributes given to Satan in the Bible.

I used to travel to the region frequently on business. Praise Allah, I never will again. The only place that was moderately tolerable was Dubai and that's because it was the only place that even pretended to be modern.
I got used to Euro trash looking down their noses at me because I was a dumb American, useful only for bailing them out when they once again fucked up. Smartest dumb people I've ever met. A continent of Karens.
But Muslims flat out hate us for no reason other than they know they live in a backward culture and it's easier to make up a religion and blame a more successful culture than look inward. We've been at war with Islam for my entire life, it's way past time to speak the truth.
Posted by: JackStraw at August 07, 2022 12:34 PM (ZLI7S)

Praise Allah = Hail Satan?

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 07, 2022 12:36 PM (ynpvh)

78 The Regensburg mention was in today's Book Thread below.

Posted by: mrp at August 07, 2022 12:36 PM (6eRlp)

79 '.am I the only one who is sick and tired of the constant kowtowing and bowing and scraping on the part of the West when it comes to Islam?'
No.
'Maybe it is time to demand the same amount of respect from Islam that Islam demands of us!'
It's high time and longer the wait the more likely muslims will find themselves ostracized.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 07, 2022 12:36 PM (roH4R)

80 75 After the attacks on 911 I read the English translation of the Koran. It is online at the University of Virginia, along with all the Hadiths.
Morality is, of course, a function of politics.
According to Islam, you have to invite your fellow humans to convert before killing them or making them pay the jizya tax. There's the morality.
The whole thing is about deception, not enlightenment.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, introspectively at August 07, 2022 12:35 PM (jTmQV)

I read that as jizz tax...

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 07, 2022 12:37 PM (ynpvh)

81 Meccalecca hi mecca hidey ho.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at August 07, 2022 12:37 PM (Qhnrt)

82 Disagree. A lot of what we consider as unsavory in Islam is cultural and tribal hand me downs of the Arabs.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 07, 2022 12:35 PM (dNqv+)

And all that unsavory shit is codified in the koran.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 07, 2022 12:37 PM (Xz9Z7)

83
And while we are at it, never fall for the canard that muslims worship the God of Abraham. It's pretty damned clear that muzzies joyfully claim for allah all the attributes given to Satan in the Bible.


I don't know about that, I do know that Islam, like all other non Christian religions is a Score Card faith system that, for their version of what follows this life is predicated on complex sin/works scoring ratios.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 07, 2022 12:37 PM (qibYB)

84 82 Disagree. A lot of what we consider as unsavory in Islam is cultural and tribal hand me downs of the Arabs.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 07, 2022 12:35 PM (dNqv+)

And all that unsavory shit is codified in the koran.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 07, 2022 12:37 PM (Xz9Z7)

And the Hadiths

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 07, 2022 12:38 PM (ynpvh)

85 83
And while we are at it, never fall for the canard that muslims worship the God of Abraham. It's pretty damned clear that muzzies joyfully claim for allah all the attributes given to Satan in the Bible.

I don't know about that, I do know that Islam, like all other non Christian religions is a Score Card faith system that, for their version of what follows this life is predicated on complex sin/works scoring ratios.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 07, 2022 12:37 PM (qibYB)

Don't forget all the virgins!

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 07, 2022 12:39 PM (ynpvh)

86 Well, I'm off. Have a good day folks.

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 07, 2022 12:39 PM (ynpvh)

87 They are welcome to exclude us; it's akin to property rights, it's theirs and they can do with it as they please.
See Russia v Griner.

The problem is that we have the same rights but our government chooses to submit rather than assert.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 07, 2022 12:39 PM (85PWb)

88 A Saudi friend tells me the "new city" MBS is building is going to serve alcohol and allow tourists of all sorts to live as if they are in any other resort destination. Moreover, he says, SA now allows women to work in any role and they do. Lastly, any "religion of the book" has its extremist history (he claims) and Islam just has a more recent version of extremists.

His rose-colored vision is that muslims will someday (soon, he says) be just another mainstream religion operating in a largely secular western world. Along with other "peoples of the book", Jews and Christians, they will usher in peace to the ME and the western world at large.

Of course, he said to me in closing, this only applies to Sunni muslims. Shiites are crazy, rabid dogs and will destroy the world if given half a chance.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at August 07, 2022 12:39 PM (0K6V0)

89 And the Hadiths
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 07, 2022 12:38 PM (ynpvh)

Right you are.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 07, 2022 12:39 PM (Xz9Z7)

90 Disagree. A lot of what we consider as unsavory in Islam is cultural and tribal hand me downs of the Arabs.

Which is kind of weird considering there are more Indonesians than Arabs who follow Islam.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 07, 2022 12:40 PM (qibYB)

91 >>I don't know about that, I do know that Islam, like all other non Christian religions is a Score Card faith system that, for their version of what follows this life is predicated on complex sin/works scoring ratios

Islam is not a religion, it is an entire social structure. Their scorecard is predicated on domination and subjugation.

You know what you won't find in a Muslim country? A "Coexist" bumper sticker.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 07, 2022 12:41 PM (ZLI7S)

92 Carter did eventually ban Iranians from entry into the U.S. Not sure how long it lasted:

"....Fourth, the Secretary of Treasury [State] and the Attorney General will invalidate all visas issued to Iranian citizens for future entry into the United States, effective today. We will not reissue visas, nor will we issue new visas, except for compelling and proven humanitarian reasons or where the national interest of our own country requires. This directive will be interpreted very strictly."


Posted by: Javems at August 07, 2022 12:41 PM (AmoqO)

93 And all that unsavory shit is codified in the koran.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 07, 2022 12:37 PM (Xz9Z7)

Yes. One thing that always struck me about Judaism and by outgrowth and strengthened in Christianity is that they call for codes of conduct that are... different from most other religions. They call for actions and behavior that are against the surface and gut reaction of human nature. They call on their adherents to be better people.

Most religions in the long course of human history (and this includes Islam very much) merely indulge and justify the more gut level and baser side of human nature.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 07, 2022 12:42 PM (dNqv+)

94 I recently watched a YT video devoted to the writings of an Icelander who was captured by Algerian pirates (along with most of his fellow villagers) on the coast of Iceland, and who was then was sold as a slave in North Africa. This took place in 1627.

Posted by: mrp at August 07, 2022 12:42 PM (6eRlp)

95 'coz you haz dirty mind!

Posted by: gourmand du jour, introspectively at August 07, 2022 12:42 PM (jTmQV)

96 48 You have to wonder why the LGBTQ mob hasn't gone after Islam. It's as if they know they won't win. Where's the threats against mosques? Where's the riots when another homosexual is thrown off a building or stoned?

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 07, 2022 12:22 PM (U2p+3)


They are taking things one war at a time. If the Progressives subdue (with extreme prejudice), the Judeo-Christians, they will have a free hand to go after whatever religious, ethnic, national heritage, and racial groups they want. And they have a list, have no doubt. For now they are fake-happy to have the Mooselimbs on their side against the Judeo-Christians.

Posted by: Gref at August 07, 2022 12:42 PM (AMIL/)

97 I've dealt with fags and I've dealt with Persians

I'll take the Persians

Posted by: REDACTED at August 07, 2022 12:42 PM (us2H3)

98 no easy solutions, other than for Islam to enter the 21st century, and that isn't going to happen for a long, long time.

Yes, there is a solution but it's rather unpleasant to soft westerners. The solution is to play by their rules and the problem would be quickly resolved.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 07, 2022 12:43 PM (85PWb)

99 Which is kind of weird considering there are more Indonesians than Arabs who follow Islam.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 07, 2022 12:40 PM (qibYB)

Well, they got to be that way by being converted at the point of Arab swords.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 07, 2022 12:43 PM (Xz9Z7)

100 My opinion is that modern 'Leftist' Universalists don't care about regular Islam, the behavioral guide, but are enamored of the Sufi undercurrent variant.
The Sufi stuff is far older than actual Islam, and involves that 'Self-Annihilation', 'Mystical Union' shit some people love so much. Other variants of it are in some portions of Kaballah, and in Catholic 'Ecstatic Union' type stuff. They don't really care about Muslim practices, they just like the Sufi part; just like they love 'Buddhism', with its 'discard the Self' practices.
My two cents.

Posted by: LenNeal at August 07, 2022 12:43 PM (43xH1)

101 We will not reissue visas, nor will we issue new visas, except for compelling and proven humanitarian reasons or where the national interest of our own country requires. This directive will be interpreted very strictly."

Posted by: Javems at August 07, 2022 12:41 PM (AmoqO)

Was that before or after he let the Shah in?

Posted by: BignJames at August 07, 2022 12:43 PM (AwYPR)

102 Also, I went to visit my sister and missed the book thread!

Posted by: LenNeal at August 07, 2022 12:45 PM (43xH1)

103 Praise Allah = Hail Satan?
Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 07, 2022 12:36 PM (ynpvh)

Yep.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 07, 2022 12:45 PM (g8uGN)

104 Disagree. A lot of what we consider as unsavory in Islam is cultural and tribal hand me downs of the Arabs.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 07, 2022 12:35 PM (dNqv+)

Take a look at Islam in Africa. Many of them aren't Arabs, yet they are as savage...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 07, 2022 12:46 PM (XIJ/X)

105 Which is kind of weird considering there are more Indonesians than Arabs who follow Islam.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 07, 2022 12:40 PM (qibYB)

One might say the same things about a guy in America following the teachings of Christ- a Jew from Nazareth- 2000 years later.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 07, 2022 12:46 PM (dNqv+)

106 Don't forget all the virgins!

Posted by: jim (in Kalifornia) at August 07, 2022 12:39 PM (ynpvh)

Actually it was a seven foot two Persian.

Posted by: Javems at August 07, 2022 12:46 PM (AmoqO)

107 Long ago, maybe in Mad Magazine, there was a one panel cartoon asking "Is Nothing sacred?" The drawing displayed a big square block of some type with a big "N" on one of the sides and a guy bowing towards it.

Apropos?

Perhaps.

Posted by: Tonypete at August 07, 2022 12:46 PM (LsEU/)

108 Take a look at Islam in Africa. Many of them aren't Arabs, yet they are as savage...
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 07, 2022 12:46 PM (XIJ/X)

And that is cultural. Is it alien and imposed from the outside or innate in the region? I dunno.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 07, 2022 12:48 PM (dNqv+)

109 I've visited a lot of Islamic countries. From what I saw, the men might work 2 or 3 hours a day, the rest of the time they squat around a hookah while the females work constantly with all the chores.
They have their system.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, introspectively at August 07, 2022 12:48 PM (jTmQV)

110 Get the details of the Muslim invasion of India. Proobably why the Hindus breed like rabbits- just to have a standing army.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 07, 2022 12:49 PM (g8uGN)

111 There won't be a ceasefire unless Israel accepts Palestinian Islamic Jihad's demands, a leader of the terrorist group based in Lebanon said on Sunday."


Based in Lebanon.
Kinda sums it up.
Stay there asshole.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2022 12:49 PM (anj39)

112 Was that before or after he let the Shah in?

Posted by: BignJames at August 07, 2022 12:43 PM (AwYPR)

It was during the hostage situation. You were exempt if you opposed the Shiite Islamist regime or had a medical emergency.

Posted by: Javems at August 07, 2022 12:49 PM (AmoqO)

113 >>Take a look at Islam in Africa. Many of them aren't Arabs, yet they are as savage...

Or the Philippines. Or Chechnya. Or even here.

If the west doesn't smarten up and speak the truth about what is going on we will never solve this problem.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 07, 2022 12:50 PM (ZLI7S)

114 "Peace will come when the Arabs start loving their children more than they hate the Jews."
Golda Meir

A remarkable woman.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2022 12:50 PM (anj39)

115 They don't really care about Muslim practices, they just like the Sufi part; just like they love 'Buddhism', with its 'discard the Self' practices.
My two cents.
Posted by: LenNeal at August 07, 2022 12:43 PM (43xH1)

This is an interesting point as well and is something I wonder about commie's love of the submission of the self (to the state.) They want to play buffet and pick on the strings they like in all religions- or at least the stuff that is useful to their goals.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 07, 2022 12:50 PM (dNqv+)

116 Simple, is a group, whether religious, ethnic, race, culture, sexual identity.... any group made for any reason... wishes to segregate themselves themself from our society, in order to gain power, then they should be treated as just that... SEPERATE.

You cannot cry that you are discriminated against, and then allow OTHERS not to join your group. You cannot shut out OTHERS, and say you are for inclusivity. You cannot call for DEATHS of others, and then say YOUR lives matter.

We allowed this double standard to metastasize like a bad Cancer... trying to be 'nice'... well, as in the immortal words of 'Dalton'... it's time not to be nice.

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 07, 2022 12:50 PM (oHd/0)

117 Islam is not a religion, it is an entire social structure. Their scorecard is predicated on domination and subjugation.

There are quite a number of analogs between the Islamic Faith and Wokeism/Climate Cult.

Catholicism in the European Middle Ages was akin to Islam in its synergy with government/culture. Someone fell outside of the religious aspects of Catholicism, that person would be excommunicated and turned into a second class quasi-citizen with practically no Rights.

I think this is the reason why so many ignorant Post Modernists fear a Christian Theocracy because pretty much all non Christian faiths use the police powers of the State to enforce the subjugative elements the faith system imposes on the laity.

To the uninitiated, Christianity is no different than any other monotheistic religion - and they like to gaslight Christians to believe that this is so.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 07, 2022 12:51 PM (qibYB)

118
If the west doesn't smarten up and speak the truth about what is going on we will never solve this problem.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 07, 2022 12:50 PM (ZLI7S)

The source of most of our problems.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 07, 2022 12:52 PM (89T5c)

119 Long ago, I thought Islam could be reformed. Then, I found out the basic tenets of Islam are diametrically opposed to Western Civilization.

Reformation of Islam != Luther's Reformation.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 07, 2022 12:52 PM (5pTK/)

120 I believe they have always been ready to “enter the modern world” as its conquerors and destroyers.

Posted by: epador at August 07, 2022 12:52 PM (ns4uC)

121
I hope you anathemized schismatics, out-and-out heretics and perdition-bound pagans aren't going to bash religions today.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 07, 2022 12:52 PM (1Nxff)

122 Tonypete, that was a cartoon in Playboy magazine, which I used to read for the articles.

Posted by: Lance McBoyle at August 07, 2022 12:53 PM (PIlQh)

123 Good one, Hadrian.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at August 07, 2022 12:54 PM (u73oe)

124 I've dealt with fags and I've dealt with Persians

I'll take the Persians

Yeah, about that...

Gay couple arrested for making CP with 'adopted' kids.

https://tinyurl.com/yksavpfu

Posted by: Methos at August 07, 2022 12:55 PM (kOpft)

125 You cannot cry that you are discriminated against, and then allow OTHERS not to join your group. You cannot shut out OTHERS, and say you are for inclusivity. You cannot call for DEATHS of others, and then say YOUR lives matter.

We allowed this double standard to metastasize like a bad Cancer... trying to be 'nice'... well, as in the immortal words of 'Dalton'... it's time not to be nice.
Posted by: Romeo13 at August 07, 2022 12:50 PM (oHd/0)

Well said.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 07, 2022 12:56 PM (dNqv+)

126 No one who has lived or spent considerable time in a Muslim country, doesn't have a understanding of antipathy.

Posted by: Indignacio Vindacatorem at August 07, 2022 12:56 PM (oWBc3)

127 A Muslim living here in OKC became one of America's leading heart surgeons. Gave my dad an extra ten years of life.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at August 07, 2022 12:56 PM (Qhnrt)

128 Robert Spencer's History of Jihad from MO to ISIS is a good read

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2022 12:57 PM (k8B25)

129 Islam separates the entire world into 2 parts, that which it has conquered and that which it has not.
In conquest of part the latter, all things are not just permitted, but required.
Lying, cheating, kidnap, murder, enslavement, it's all good.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, introspectively at August 07, 2022 12:58 PM (jTmQV)

130 Well, I'm off. Church calls.

Great thread, CBD.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing(5pTK/) at August 07, 2022 12:58 PM (5pTK/)

131 One might say the same things about a guy in America following the teachings of Christ- a Jew from Nazareth- 2000 years later.

Considering all of the flack he got from the religious rulers of the day, it was clear that Christ's teachings transcended the contemporary ethos and was applicable for all cultures, ethnicities, times and people as early as expulsion from The Garden.

Everyone intrinsically knows The Golden Rule and has a very clear internal list of things that they want from others. Unfortunately, fallen human nature makes it difficult for them to extend that same empathy towards others.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 07, 2022 12:59 PM (qibYB)

132 This probably won't be popular here, and some will probably want to attribute to me perspectives that I do not hold, but I still think it has to be pointed out.

There are entire Western nations that will arrest people for questioning the Holocaust or displaying a swastika.

There are a plurality of states in America whose governments have laws expressly forbidding BDS policies.

To be clear, as a Christian I hold people of the Jewish faith to be the tree to which people of non-Jewish lineage (such as myself) are grafted into in the body of Christ.

But I do think it true that Judaism does enjoy much of the same protection from insult legislatively and certainly societally that Islam does. I do think that is where the corollary ends, however, as the Jewish community does not perpetrate violent acts in the name of its offended status, as Islam does.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at August 07, 2022 12:59 PM (lEdpj)

133 Islam is the religion of submit or die.
Islam is the religion of subterfuge.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 07, 2022 12:59 PM (85PWb)

134 I hope you anathemized schismatics, out-and-out heretics and perdition-bound pagans aren't going to bash religions today.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 07, 2022 12:52 PM (1Nxff)


Dang it.
By the time I loomed up all the words I didn't know, I forgot what I was gonna say.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2022 12:59 PM (anj39)

135 Tonypete, that was a cartoon in Playboy magazine, which I used to read for the articles.
Posted by: Lance McBoyle

That makes sense as I also religiously followed Playboy for the scintillating writing reasons also.

Posted by: Tonypete at August 07, 2022 01:00 PM (LsEU/)

136 127
Yes. I've known a few muslims worth their weight in gold. Yet I still believe their religion is a threat. I haven't figured out how to square those 2 opinions.

Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 07, 2022 01:00 PM (roH4R)

137 Looked up all the words.
Stoopid kindle.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2022 01:00 PM (anj39)

138 No one who has lived or spent considerable time in a Muslim country, doesn't have a understanding of antipathy.

Or fully comprehends the concept of "Low Trust Culture"

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 07, 2022 01:00 PM (qibYB)

139 China, Russia, or Islam? Pick one--we can't do all three.

My own opinion is we should concentrate on unfucking ourselves.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos (meh, it's a living) at August 07, 2022 01:01 PM (3DZIZ)

140 Everyone intrinsically knows The Golden Rule and has a very clear internal list of things that they want from others. Unfortunately, fallen human nature makes it difficult for them to extend that same empathy towards others.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 07, 2022 12:59 PM (qibYB)

Which is why I said Christinaity is not exactly contra to human nature, but it does promote and reinforce different things than other religions. In many ways, Islam is the antithesis of Christianity (at least Islam's more virulent forms.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at August 07, 2022 01:01 PM (dNqv+)

141 You know, I mostly come here for the comments, which while sometimes in the Tin-Foil Hat Brigade category, are much more often smart, on-point, and absolutely hilariously funny.
There are some awesomely clever mofos on this blog.
I'm not nearly so clever!
Hahaha!
'Lance McBoyle'
Phhht

Posted by: LenNeal at August 07, 2022 01:01 PM (43xH1)

142 I believe they have always been ready to “enter the modern world” as its conquerors and destroyers.

How does that materially differ from the aims and goals of the WEF?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 07, 2022 01:03 PM (qibYB)

143 We and almost all our allies since 2001 in the war against terror have been nuclear-armed nations, yet no nukes were used against the jihadis. Does anyone believe that the towel heads will hesitate an instant about nuking us once they have a weapon?

Posted by: Cosda at August 07, 2022 01:03 PM (u+NJz)

144 "Islam is a caustic blend of regurgitated paganism and twisted Bible stories. Muhammad, its lone prophet, conceived his religion solely to satiate his lust for power, sex, and money. He was a terrorist."

Craig Winn

I read the book...he backs up his statement effectively.

Posted by: BignJames at August 07, 2022 01:04 PM (AwYPR)

145 >>To the uninitiated, Christianity is no different than any other monotheistic religion - and they like to gaslight Christians to believe that this is so.

I'm a lapsed Christian. I was brought up in the faith but I moved away. I live my life without any fear of persecution or even a dirty look. I'm pretty sure Fen would actually pray for me if I needed it.

A trial in Texas is going on as we speak with a Muslim father accused, he did it, of killing his two teenage daughters for dating outside the religion. This is 6th century barbarism.

I'll repeat, Islam is not a religion. It is a social structure that is based on domination and subjugation. It always has been and if you don't believe it then just read the Koran.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 07, 2022 01:05 PM (ZLI7S)

146 Yes. I've known a few muslims worth their weight in gold. Yet I still believe their religion is a threat. I haven't figured out how to square those 2 opinions.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 07, 2022 01:00 PM (roH4R)

Some muslims manage to become good humans, despite the environment of their birth.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at August 07, 2022 01:05 PM (wRYAk)

147 Tonypete, that was a cartoon in Playboy magazine, which I used to read for the articles.
Posted by: Lance McBoyle

Really? I only looked at the pictures.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Summer of Our Discontent n at August 07, 2022 01:07 PM (FVME7)

148 >>> But I do think it true that Judaism does enjoy much of the same protection from insult legislatively and certainly societally that Islam does. I do think that is where the corollary ends, however, as the Jewish community does not perpetrate violent acts in the name of its offended status, as Islam does.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger
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Won't disagree. However they, contrary to Islam, burnish that status. Last check of the total prison system population of this state indicated one Jew, one Jew only. And, sticking to stereotype, it was a white collar crime.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 07, 2022 01:09 PM (85PWb)

149 We and almost all our allies since 2001 in the war against terror have been nuclear-armed nations, yet no nukes were used against the jihadis. Does anyone believe that the towel heads will hesitate an instant about nuking us once they have a weapon?
Posted by: Cosda at August 07, 2022 01:03 PM (u+NJz)
***

You can fit a 5kt device into the trunk of a car.
Now go to NukeMap and see what it can do.
The fireball alone is about 240 meters in diameter. Imagine that at a stadium filled with 70,000 fans?
They would use it in a NY minute.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2022 01:10 PM (anj39)

150 Islam needs to enter oblivion. It is NOT a religion, but a patriarchal, murderous cult.

It's basic premises are illogical, therefore any conclusions or practices are also.

Prove that wrong.

Posted by: irongrampa at August 07, 2022 01:10 PM (KATBx)

151 to me, it is as if LIz Cheney is a lesbo muzz

a lot to hate

Posted by: REDACTED at August 07, 2022 01:11 PM (us2H3)

152 They did so at the risk of their lives; an infidel discovered in Mecca would have been killed immediately.
Posted by: Nemo at August 07, 2022 12:22 PM (S6ArX)

I'm pretty impressed Gil Tamary did this for that reason. Additionally, there's a non-zero chance Israel will extradite him back to KSA to be symbolically punished, which to him night be much worse.

Maybe Islam will become more tolerant, but after seeing how far woke has been carried in the West I wouldn't be surprised if they have an Exhibit A for tradition. But who cares. Of all the places I plan to live, KSA is well down the list.

Posted by: trev006 at August 07, 2022 01:11 PM (yJWaZ)

153 You can fit a 5kt device into the trunk of a car.
Now go to NukeMap and see what it can do.
The fireball alone is about 240 meters in diameter. Imagine that at a stadium filled with 70,000 fans?
They would use it in a NY minute.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2022 01:10 PM (anj39)

Yup...and in the aftermath the first thing our federal government would do is outlaw car trunks.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at August 07, 2022 01:12 PM (R/m4+)

154 Barky through Sundowner is trying to get a nuclear weapon to Iran seems obvious to me.

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2022 01:12 PM (k8B25)

155 146 Yes. I've known a few muslims worth their weight in gold. Yet I still believe their religion is a threat. I haven't figured out how to square those 2 opinions.
Posted by: Dr. Claw a
-----------------------

He will still be good as gold in another country.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 07, 2022 01:12 PM (85PWb)

156 Would Islam survive the destruction of Mecca? As I understand it, Judaism was severely tested by the lose of the Temple in Jerusalem yet managed to continue with the Rabbinic tradition taking over from the Temple centered worship.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 07, 2022 01:12 PM (LRhmV)

157 My wake-up moment that changed everything was reading Anna Geifman's books. If you haven't read her stuff, please do so. In reading some excerpts from c. 1900s Radicals in Russia, there was a quote from one, paraphrased:
"The highest achievement of any individual is to discard one's individuality and become One with a Greater Entity.'
This was from a 'Jewish' kid! I read that and went, "WTF? That's Sufi Mystical Union! Where the fuck did THAT come from?"
It's informed all my thinking since then. I corresponded briefly with Giefman, she's a very, very smart lady.

Posted by: LenNeal at August 07, 2022 01:13 PM (43xH1)

158 No sir, Mr. CBD, tain't yet.

Posted by: Eromero at August 07, 2022 01:13 PM (DXbAa)

159 Yes. I've known a few muslims worth their weight in gold. Yet I still believe their religion is a threat. I haven't figured out how to square those 2 opinions.
Posted by: Dr. Claw at August 07, 2022 01:00 PM (roH4R)

In Indonesia or Bangladesh you'd probably be fine. Yet in most places, it's easy to get a long with a few Muslims. The problem is when there are enough to make society change for them.

Posted by: trev006 at August 07, 2022 01:13 PM (yJWaZ)

160 Which is why I said Christinaity is not exactly contra to human nature, but it does promote and reinforce different things than other religions. In many ways, Islam is the antithesis of Christianity (at least Islam's more virulent forms.)

As I often comment here, the world ideologies can't comfortably discerned in two very distinctive ways: Imago Dei (Image of God) or Lebensunwertes Leben (Life Unworthy of Life).

If a person sees another fellow human as a special creation and image of God (no matter how horrible that person might be) there is more of an ability to extend agape love to that person.

The other side is where a person's value is fluid and contingent on a myriad of subjective assessments. #Cancel Culture is a less rabid form of what the Nazi's demonstrated. If a person subscribes to a Goo To You Via The Zoo origins narrative, then its OK to hurt or destroy another human because its only a clump of cells.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 07, 2022 01:13 PM (qibYB)

161 Robert Spencer is a Christian convert from Islam, iirc. Which means he has a fatwa on his life. A true believer of Islam is compelled to kill him and be celebrated for doing so.
It's like the mafia, you can get in but you never can get out.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, introspectively at August 07, 2022 01:14 PM (jTmQV)

162 So it's really looking like a Democrat mandate is on the menu for November. All the MAGA candidates and unpopular anti-abortion rhetoric is really turning the polls to team blue. Clarence Thomas may have saved our democracy, unwittingly.

Posted by: Sid at August 07, 2022 01:14 PM (n8wau)

163 155 146 Yes. I've known a few muslims worth their weight in gold. Yet I still believe their religion is a threat. I haven't figured out how to square those 2 opinions.
Posted by: Dr. Claw a

I believe this is how "fool's gold" became a thing

Posted by: REDACTED at August 07, 2022 01:15 PM (us2H3)

164 No, Islam is not ready to enter the modern world. What Salman is doing is moving outside the tenants of Islam not reforming Islam.

Posted by: Ben Had at August 07, 2022 01:15 PM (BWAnG)

165 Life In The Blue Zones.

From Portland Reddit:

Lost ID/Debit/EBT cards at Edgefield last night

My wife's canvas makeup clutch was dropped last night at the Decemberists show Mcenamins Edgefield!


Tickets to the concert cost $50 each, but they have EBT cards.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 07, 2022 01:15 PM (I2/tG)

166 So it's really looking like a Democrat mandate is on the menu for November.


Heh.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 07, 2022 01:15 PM (LRhmV)

167 Would Islam survive the destruction of Mecca? As I understand it, Judaism was severely tested by the lose of the Temple in Jerusalem yet managed to continue with the Rabbinic tradition taking over from the Temple centered worship.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 07, 2022 01:12 PM (LRhmV)

Given that KSA has the bomb (via Pakistan), I wouldn't test this. But there are major scholars in Egypt among many other places.

There should be considerable worry that destroying Mecca would make Tehran and Qom into new loci for particularly apocalyptic flavors of Islam.

Posted by: trev006 at August 07, 2022 01:15 PM (yJWaZ)

168 153 You can fit a 5kt device into the trunk of a car.
Now go to NukeMap and see what it can do.
The fireball alone is about 240 meters in diameter. Imagine that at a stadium filled with 70,000 fans?
They would use it in a NY minute.
Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2022 01:10 PM (anj39)
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There was much concern over suitcase nukes after 9/11. If we don't take care of matters sooner or later two idiots will put something together.


Posted by: Braenyard at August 07, 2022 01:16 PM (85PWb)

169 166 So it's really looking like a Democrat mandate is on the menu for November.


if Mitch has his way, YES

Posted by: REDACTED at August 07, 2022 01:16 PM (us2H3)

170 Is Islam Ready To Enter The Modern World?

no

Posted by: LeastinID at August 07, 2022 01:16 PM (PGGtQ)

171 I can fit a ten pounder in the trunk of a stripper

Posted by: Hunter at August 07, 2022 01:18 PM (us2H3)

172 You can fit a 5kt device into the trunk of a car.
Now go to NukeMap and see what it can do.
The fireball alone is about 240 meters in diameter. Imagine that at a stadium filled with 70,000 fans?


I don't think I'm giving up any State secrets here, but there are a LOT of plutonium tuned radiation detectors deployed, from static locations to mounted on LEO vehicles. You aren't going to get too far before a team of very trigger-happy agents swarm your vehicle as you try to move that around.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 07, 2022 01:19 PM (qibYB)

173 Given that KSA has the bomb (via Pakistan), I wouldn't test this. But there are major scholars in Egypt among many other places.

There should be considerable worry that destroying Mecca would make Tehran and Qom into new loci for particularly apocalyptic flavors of Islam.
Posted by: trev006 at August 07, 2022 01:15 PM (yJWaZ)


My point was more that Islam is a religion of doing rather than faith. You get to Heaven by fulfilling The Five Pillars, the Hajj being one of them. Without a Mecca to go to, there would be only four.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 07, 2022 01:19 PM (LRhmV)

174 Now do England

I mean, they still got a stoopid monarchy

Posted by: Hunter at August 07, 2022 01:19 PM (us2H3)

175 I live by, "God as I understand him". It's very personal. I'm not a big fan of religion but if people find God in religious institutions, I'll respect that. I expect the same from them.

I dislike self-righteousness.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at August 07, 2022 01:20 PM (Qhnrt)

176 Islam is 8th Century fighting to conquer the modern world.

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2022 01:20 PM (k8B25)

177 So it's really looking like a Democrat mandate is on the menu for November. All the MAGA candidates and unpopular anti-abortion rhetoric is really turning the polls to team blue. Clarence Thomas may have saved our democracy, unwittingly.

So does that mean that you and your fellow Klansmen will take the burning crosses down from his property?

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 07, 2022 01:20 PM (qibYB)

178 Islam is not a legitimate religion, in my opinion. It is a totalitarian political system masquerading as a religion.

Posted by: Guidons, Guidons...Lariat Advance at August 07, 2022 01:20 PM (NAK3s)

179
Is Islam Ready To Enter The Modern World?
****

With a bang!

Posted by: vmom stabby stabby stabby stabby stabamillion at August 07, 2022 01:22 PM (gbzeC)

180 Posted by: Sid at August 07, 2022 01:14 PM (n8wau)

Keep telling yourself that

Posted by: It's me donna at August 07, 2022 01:22 PM (bs+z0)

181 You aren't going to get too far before a team of very trigger-happy agents swarm your vehicle as you try to move that around.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 07, 2022 01:19 PM (qibYB)

Only if they are in on the "planning."

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 07, 2022 01:22 PM (U3uv2)

182 I don't think I'm giving up any State secrets here, but there are a LOT of plutonium tuned radiation detectors deployed, from static locations to mounted on LEO vehicles. You aren't going to get too far before a team of very trigger-happy agents swarm your vehicle as you try to move that around.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at August 07, 2022 01:19 PM (qibYB)
***

Concur.
And there is a reason for all the sensors.
If there is a will, they will find a way.

Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2022 01:23 PM (anj39)

183 Keep telling yourself that

Posted by: It's me donna at August 07, 2022 01:22 PM (bs+z0)

He reads everything upside-down.

Posted by: BignJames at August 07, 2022 01:23 PM (AwYPR)

184 171 I can fit a ten pounder in the trunk of a stripper
Posted by: Hunter
-------------------

Some strippers fit ten pounders in their tits.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 07, 2022 01:24 PM (85PWb)

185 Some strippers fit ten pounders in their tits.

Posted by: Braenyard

"I've got the power pasties and I know how to use 'em!!"

Posted by: Tonypete at August 07, 2022 01:25 PM (LsEU/)

186 Similarly, the Democrat Party is not a legitimate political party. It is a criminal organization masquerading as a political party.


I know these aren't novel thoughts but they bear repeating. Endlessly.

Posted by: Guidons, Guidons...Lariat Advance at August 07, 2022 01:25 PM (NAK3s)

187 Some strippers fit ten pounders in their tits.

Posted by: Braenyard

Look out! She's gonna blow!

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 07, 2022 01:26 PM (U3uv2)

188 How about we built a Christian church on Mt Arafat and call it sacred to Christianity?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 07, 2022 01:26 PM (hwoGt)

189 How about we built a Christian church on Mt Arafat and call it sacred to Christianity?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at August 07, 2022 01:26 PM (hwoGt)

I'll take donations.

Posted by: BignJames at August 07, 2022 01:27 PM (AwYPR)

190 Sid graduated at the bottom of his class at DeVry's school of Trollness

Posted by: REDACTED at August 07, 2022 01:28 PM (us2H3)

191 I'm sure the commies will *try* frauding the shit out of the November elections but they may not succeed in all states.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 07, 2022 01:29 PM (llON8)

192 Sigh muslims want us Jews dead, I miss the days when some Christians just did not want us in their Country Clubs.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2022 01:30 PM (Irn0L)

193 191 I'm sure the commies will *try* frauding the shit out of the November elections but they may not succeed in all states.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at August 07, 2022 01:29 PM (llON

agreed

Posted by: It's me donna at August 07, 2022 01:30 PM (bs+z0)

194 *Pointing at Sid and laughing*

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at August 07, 2022 01:30 PM (LOVUx)

195
I'm sure the commies will *try* frauding the shit out of the November elections but they may not succeed in all states.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket

_________

The correct verb is "fraudulate".

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at August 07, 2022 01:30 PM (1Nxff)

196 I'd like the Saudis to open the area around Jebel al Lawz for research.

Posted by: Nopers at August 07, 2022 01:31 PM (7NmRg)

197 Similarly, the Democrat Party is not a legitimate political party. It is a criminal organization masquerading as a political party.

-
It's a disorganized crime family.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Summer of Our Discontent n at August 07, 2022 01:31 PM (FVME7)

198 So it's really looking like a Democrat mandate is on the menu for November.

People vote the economy, which is going to suck in November.

The economy is going to go through a very painful transition with higher interest rates. Among other things, the housing market is about to undergo a sharp contraction, given current and increasing mortgage rates.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at August 07, 2022 01:32 PM (I2/tG)

199 My point was more that Islam is a religion of doing rather than faith. You get to Heaven by fulfilling The Five Pillars, the Hajj being one of them. Without a Mecca to go to, there would be only four.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 07, 2022 01:19 PM (LRhmV)

I get it, but it's the same as the guys who think dipping bullets in pig fat will scare opposing Muslims. I'm sure some scholar is likely to say that visiting the ruins of Mecca and getting ready to fight the infidel fulfills that obligation. Or devote truly crazy resources to cleaning the fallout. I can't say exactly what would happen, neither of us are actually Muslims, but the nations most likely to detonate a nuclear device in Mecca are the ones who would lose the most in nuclear attacks on their major urban centers.

Posted by: trev006 at August 07, 2022 01:33 PM (yJWaZ)

200 Muslims cannot enter the current century. Their "religion" is nothing of the sort, but is a political system aimed at world domination. It is not any sort of worship of God, but a simple bowing down to Satan, who demands that they act less like humans and more like demons. Any "religion" that preaches hate of others and calls for murdering those who do not adhere has no place in the modern world, nor will it ever.

Those who claim Islam can be modified to fit into the modern world are wrong; Islam itself says that it cannot be modified in even trifling bits. Adherents don't believe, they submit, and if something were changed, like murderous intent, they would no longer be submitting to their "higher power," so to speak.

It is bullshit, all the way down.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at August 07, 2022 01:33 PM (LOVUx)

201 Sigh muslims want us Jews dead, I miss the days when some Christians just did not want us in their Country Clubs.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2022 01:30 PM (Irn0L)

Heh.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at August 07, 2022 01:33 PM (Qhnrt)

202 Rockets fired into Israel after proposed ceasefire deadline

Typical

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2022 01:34 PM (Irn0L)

203 I still don't understand why any woman would be Muslim. What's in it for them?

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at August 07, 2022 01:35 PM (LOVUx)

204 > Similarly, the Democrat Party is not a legitimate political party. It is a criminal organization masquerading as a political party.
___________

Congress is the largest criminal syndicate on the planet.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 07, 2022 01:35 PM (BFigT)

205 If you have any trepidation about the just-passed inflation bill (Thanks Vice President Harris!) just see this.

https://bit.ly/3oX8av7

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Summer of Our Discontent n at August 07, 2022 01:36 PM (FVME7)

206 Sigh muslims want us Jews dead, I miss the days when some Christians just did not want us in their Country Clubs.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 07, 2022 01:30 PM (Irn0L)
Heh.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at August 07, 2022 01:33 PM (Qhnrt)

I hear this place is restricted, Wang, so don't tell 'em you're Jewish, okay?

Posted by: Al Czervik at August 07, 2022 01:36 PM (R/m4+)

207 197 Similarly, the Democrat Party is not a legitimate political party. It is a criminal organization masquerading as a political party.
-
It's a disorganized crime family.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks,
--------------------------

On that topic; Mitch McConnell should not be allowed to serve or work in government.
His wife is the daughter of a Chinese national who is a ranking member of of the Chinese Communist Party. He is compromised.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 07, 2022 01:36 PM (85PWb)

208 I still don't understand why any woman would be Muslim. What's in it for them?
Posted by: tcn in AK

They allow her to live?

Dunno, just spitballing here.

Posted by: Tonypete at August 07, 2022 01:36 PM (LsEU/)

209 With western civilization rotting and Europeans no longer having children, it may be just a couple decades before European normies will have to choose between one of two repressive and regressive lifestyles: Sustainable Organic Green Leftism, or Islam.

Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at August 07, 2022 01:37 PM (d9Cw3)

210 Don't get up and moving I will be napping

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2022 01:38 PM (k8B25)

211 Amazon just bought Roomba, which means if you have one Amazon will soon have an extremely valuable map of the inside of your home

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iRobot, you Jane.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Summer of Our Discontent n at August 07, 2022 01:38 PM (FVME7)

212 I ate at the Mecca....in Dallas

Posted by: xa4 nasal radiator at August 07, 2022 01:39 PM (xkudx)

213 As a good estimate, have yet to see a woman in full Muslim covering under 180 pounds

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2022 01:39 PM (k8B25)

214 The Mormons don't forbid non Mormons from entering Salt Lake City. They do forbid entrance to the temple but they don't kill you for being in the city.

Posted by: Megthered at August 07, 2022 01:40 PM (AdxHD)

215 213 As a good estimate, have yet to see a woman in full Muslim covering under 180 pounds
Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2022 01:39 PM (k8B25)

How can you tell ?

Posted by: It's me donna at August 07, 2022 01:40 PM (bs+z0)

216 The Mormons don't forbid non Mormons from entering Salt Lake City. They do forbid entrance to the temple but they don't kill you for being in the city.
Posted by: Megthered

No but you can't get a cup of caffeinated coffee which is ever worse!

Posted by: Tonypete at August 07, 2022 01:41 PM (LsEU/)

217 McConnell was asked about whether he'd be giving up his spot as majority/minority leader in the Senate. His cocky answer was to the effect he's not going anywhere anytime soon.

The fix was in years ago. He knows it. The Democrats know it. He does not care if the Democrats retain control of the Senate... his grift is safe.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 07, 2022 01:41 PM (BFigT)

218 Similarly, the Democrat Party is not a legitimate political party. It is a criminal organization masquerading as a political party.
___________

Congress is the largest criminal syndicate on the planet.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 07, 2022 01:35 PM (BFigT)



I would argue that it would actually be better to be run by the Mafia. Because the Mafia understands that if you take too much from the businesses they're extorting THE BUSINESSES GO OUT OF BUSINESS! Duh!


Mafia goombahs are smarter than Democrats.

Posted by: Guidons, Guidons...Lariat Advance at August 07, 2022 01:42 PM (NAK3s)

219 I see Nemo beat me to it. Here's a Gutenberg link to Captain Sir Richard Francis Burton's exploits:

https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/4657

Posted by: I am the Shadout Mapes, the Housekeeper at August 07, 2022 01:43 PM (PiwSw)

220 Size Donna, if a 200 pound guy would fit in that black tent they wear ( do see lots here) you know the woman is that big.

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2022 01:43 PM (k8B25)

221 @214 They do forbid entrance to the temple but they don't kill you for being in the city.

----

Locals can also often tour the bigger Latter-Day Saint temples before the temple is dedicated.

Of course, the press would likely applaud anyone who sneaked in post-dedication and wrote a news story about it.

Posted by: junior at August 07, 2022 01:43 PM (bu/hI)

222 219 Might take a look at that

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2022 01:44 PM (k8B25)

223 Reformation of Islam != Luther's Reformation.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing

Disagreed. Both reformations were logically the same, as both Luther's and the Islamic Reformation of 1979 got back to the roots, and following the actual words and deeds of the founders.

Luther's reformation caused Christianity to become more Christ-like. 1979 caused Islam to become more Mohammed-like.

Islam reformed several times, and each time they became more like the original, more fundamentalist. Any other direction, i.e. modernizing or softening, would be a deformation.

Posted by: Taqiyyologist, Rickrolled by Jesus at August 07, 2022 01:44 PM (M9XmQ)

224
There was much concern over suitcase nukes after 9/11. If we don't take care of matters sooner or later two idiots will put something together.
Posted by: Braenyard


The only thing we have to fear...is White supremacists themselves.

Posted by: M. Garland at August 07, 2022 01:44 PM (63Dwl)

225
The fix was in years ago. He knows it. The Democrats know it. He does not care if the Democrats retain control of the Senate... his grift is safe.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 07, 2022 01:41 PM (BFigT)

I see he was out there whining about some of the Rep. candidates making excuses that we might not take back the Senate because of them. Of course you can guess which Candidates they are...

Posted by: It's me donna at August 07, 2022 01:44 PM (bs+z0)

226 In the hope of possibly adding something constructive in real time, in my campaign of de-Googling all my shit, along with wiping the old Chromebook and installing Gallium OS, which is awesome, by the way, I've been using Zoho for 'cloud' (I know) writing. It's far superior to gdocs, in my opinion, and I have yet to hear about anybody getting their accounts locked for wrongthink. Well, yet.
But I really like Zoho and Gallium as a setup, it gives all the usefulness of a Chromebook without Google.

Posted by: LenNeal at August 07, 2022 01:45 PM (43xH1)

227 220 Size Donna, if a 200 pound guy would fit in that black tent they wear ( do see lots here) you know the woman is that big.
Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2022 01:43 PM (k8B25)

There are plenty of slim women wearing abayahs. What is shocking is what they wear underneath. A lot of the Saudi gals balk at the dress requirements and push back, albeit under cover.

Posted by: Moki at August 07, 2022 01:45 PM (JrN/x)

228 While you are considering the fall out from a 5kt bomb don't forget the EMP radius.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 07, 2022 01:48 PM (85PWb)

229 Moki if I saw just 1 it would shock me like I saw a space alien and would remember.
I see Muslim women in grocery stores rarely, Walmart often streets a lot

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2022 01:49 PM (k8B25)

230 It's time for Muslim women to rise up and ditch the burka and the hijab.

Posted by: redridinghood at August 07, 2022 01:50 PM (NpAcC)

231 Posted by: LenNeal at August 07, 2022 01:45 PM (43xH1)

Thanks for the tip on Gallium OS.

Posted by: Comrade Flounder, Wrecker, Hoarder, Saboteur at August 07, 2022 01:50 PM (U3uv2)

232 Having lived in several Muslim countries, including the Kingdom, I can say that I didn't completely hate it. I was able to talk freely about God, and if a Muslim asked questions about my faith, I was able to answer completely - it was a discussion they initiated and thus, not proselytizing. Amazingly good food. Inexpensive to live. I felt safe.

Until I didn't. My kids were targeted at school by local peers. We were followed and harassed. I was beaten for some of my hair showing under my head covering. A bomb went off too close to our car for coincidence. A man followed me home with the intent of raping me because I was blond. All in different nations.

tcn is correct: there is no compatibility between the West and its (for now) love of personal freedom and the tenets of Islam. And that whole hating the Jews thing, which just ain't right.

Posted by: Moki at August 07, 2022 01:52 PM (JrN/x)

233
But I really like Zoho and Gallium as a setup, it gives all the usefulness of a Chromebook without Google.
Posted by: LenNeal


What do you use for an internet browser?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at August 07, 2022 01:52 PM (63Dwl)

234 Heading across the water to attend the baseball game with #1. I hope Y'all have something fun planned for your day.

Sunny and 73. Beautiful day in the PNW.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 07, 2022 01:53 PM (CFSPL)

235 I see Muslim women in grocery stores rarely, Walmart often streets a lot
Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2022 01:49 PM (k8B25)

Likely not Gulf Arabs, and more likely refugees, who are typically impoverished and thus have more dietary issues, similar to the lower economic strata here who tend to have obesity issues. The Gulf Arab women are stunningly beautiful.

Posted by: Moki at August 07, 2022 01:54 PM (JrN/x)

236 Islam ready to join the civilized world? Shit we can't even get the religions of Marxism and a Atheism to join the civilized world.

I'll take a knock on the door and conversation every Sunday morning from Jehovah Witnesses for the rest of my life than have to deal with the aforementioned sonofabitches.

Posted by: JROD at August 07, 2022 01:54 PM (0jZnq)

237 "Congress is the largest criminal syndicate on the planet."


Congress is a bunch of buffahs. The Bosses let them think otherwise.

Posted by: Cicci at August 07, 2022 01:55 PM (oTZbj)

238 I won't become a terrorist until they invent a wallet sized nuke. I'm not going to be schlepping a suitcase around.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Summer of Our Discontent n at August 07, 2022 01:55 PM (FVME7)

239 Is it dangerous to have teenage girls wearing a hijab? How about belly shirts and booty shorts?

I wouldn't mind some modesty encouraged amongst our young women.

Posted by: nurse ratched at August 07, 2022 01:57 PM (CFSPL)

240 FIRST NOOD

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2022 02:01 PM (k8B25)

241 Ages ago we hired an Iranian woman to do some sales work at the contractor I worked for. Beautiful woman, great body, but the personality of Hilary Clinton. Rude. Dismissive.

Some co-workers said that was common of "westernized" Iranian woman.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at August 07, 2022 02:01 PM (BFigT)

242 I wouldn't mind some modesty encouraged amongst our young women.
Posted by: nurse ratched at August 07, 2022 01:57 PM (CFSPL)

Modesty born of the inherent dignity of women is different than the "modestly" born of the fear of women and the inability of "men" to control their urges.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at August 07, 2022 02:02 PM (LOVUx)

243 Moki agree, it's minority converts

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2022 02:02 PM (k8B25)

244 I don't see any black bags around my AO. Yet.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at August 07, 2022 02:02 PM (g8uGN)

245 ......oh wait, modern world not civilized.

Posted by: JROD at August 07, 2022 02:02 PM (0jZnq)

246 Islam is gaining converts in Black Urban America

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2022 02:03 PM (k8B25)

247 >>Is Islam Ready To Enter The Modern World?


no- they are primitive murderous savages

Posted by: DB at August 07, 2022 02:03 PM (geLO8)

248 An Iranian woman worked for me in the insurance office, she was sweet as could be. Nobody could lie to a potential client as innocent and as well as she.
I had to fire her.

Posted by: Braenyard at August 07, 2022 02:03 PM (85PWb)

249 Chicago Mayor's Plan to Sue Gang Members Goes Nowhere

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I guess she'll have bring guns and seek protection orders.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Now Is the Summer of Our Discontent n at August 07, 2022 02:04 PM (FVME7)

250 I wouldn't mind some modesty encouraged amongst our young women.
Posted by: nurse ratched

No shit. I routinely have to tell my grandd to 'Put that hoochie thing away. They'll be plenty of time to flash it when you are in college."

Posted by: Tonypete at August 07, 2022 02:05 PM (LsEU/)

251 Ok, this is OT, but whatever, I think it's interesting. Feel free to nuke the comment, CBD. You are, after all.

The Hill is reporting on the Senate's Wednesday vote to admit Finland and Sweden to NATO - including 48 GOP votes. For better or worse, this is a highly provocative measure, and increases the likelihood of open conflict between the US and Russia at a time when the US is also in an increasingly tenuous position with regard to China and Taiwan. These are serious issues, in serious times, and have serious foreign policy implications. That vote deserves serious treatment, particularly from a putatively "serious" "insider" publication like The Hill.

Their headline? It was "McConnell gets win on Trump in NATO vote." About a sycophant turtle's fight with a man who isn't in office, to support a man who is. This is Reality Show America. It's pathetic. And disgusting.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 07, 2022 02:06 PM (IXpV7)

252 Yud since it's willowed hardly anyone might see it, doesn't surprise me.
I think Nanzi circus escapade was exactly that, no one is the boss of me.

Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2022 02:10 PM (k8B25)

253 109 I've visited a lot of Islamic countries. From what I saw, the men might work 2 or 3 hours a day, the rest of the time they squat around a hookah while the females work constantly with all the chores.
They have their system.

Posted by: gourmand du jour, introspectively at August 07, 2022 12:48 PM (jTmQV)
----
That is Africa in a nutshell. Has been long before Islam. It's the main reason Western style political systems don't work well in Africa. THE WOMEN WORK, the men hunt, fight and drink beer.

Posted by: Ciampino - so when one employed a local as a housemaid it didn't work out at August 07, 2022 02:23 PM (qfLjt)

254 Posted by: Skip at August 07, 2022 02:10 PM (k8B25)

The part that gets me is "Trump doesn't like NATO, so this is about Trump."

Trump has nothing to do with this at all. This is a vote to introduce new NATO members in response to a Russian war, at a time when this will enrage the Russians, after Trump was out of office for more than a year.

This is retarded, sir. This is silly writing, by stupid people, for a retarded audience who views international diplomacy as the political version of Kanye and Kim K and Pete Davidson and Amber Heard and Johnny Depp and Will Smith and Chris Rock.

"WHO slapped Trump?! OMG, this is lit AF, fam! I can't wait for the next episode! Will McConnel steal Luntz' hot ass from McCarthy? Will his Chinese wife give Formosa to Xi? Stay tuned!"

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at August 07, 2022 02:25 PM (IXpV7)

255 Special treatment of Muslims always grinds my gears.

For example, the local press is reporting on two "Muslim American' men suing Alaska Airlines.

Do we label Catholic Americans? Protestant Americans? Another other religion they way they do Muslims?

No. So fuck off. You aren't special.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at August 07, 2022 02:32 PM (TU8Tj)

256 Two things I can't reconcile. One, how can Western women join or remain Moslems while considered as less important than sheep and goats. Two, they punish gays in some countries but are okay with anal sex with young boys and sex with goats in other countries.

Posted by: Ciampino - did FGM originate with Moslems? at August 07, 2022 02:43 PM (qfLjt)

257 *runs to bathroom mirror to try arched side eye raising*

Dang. That's hard. I'm better with the left eye. I wonder if that means anything?
Posted by: Diogenes at August 07, 2022 12:16 PM (anj39)

purty shore that means ur really gay
Posted by: REDACTED at August 07, 2022 12:21 PM (us2H3)

He probably doesn't own a weed whacker either.

Posted by: butch at August 07, 2022 02:44 PM (dkY4g)

258 The efforts of the reporter to open Mecca to tourism are misplaced. The real problem between Islam and other religions is that wherever Islam is dominant, other religions are suppressed, and wherever Islamism is the rule, Christians are discriminated against in every aspect of life, relegated to the lowest levels of society. And Jews? They are no where to be found, of course.

I really don't care about Mecca but I'd LOVE to see the Temple Mount opened to tourists.

Posted by: bbmoe at August 07, 2022 02:50 PM (oz0GF)

259 Let me get this straight. The Jew knowingly and willfully did something extremely disrespectful towards Muslims, but the Muslims are the bad guy.

Get the jew dick out of your mouth, CBD.

Posted by: Durka durka at August 07, 2022 02:58 PM (jc8ne)

260 Islam isn't even friends with other types of Islam. And they all want to murder Christians and Jews "like dogs and apes", like it says in their holy book...

We need to stop assuming all people are rational beings who wish to coexist. One would have thought WW2 would have caused everyone to understand that.

And before you object, we already know about how the book instructs you to lie to unbelievers to gain an advantage. It's called al taqiyyah.

This ain't our first rodeo.

Posted by: setnaffa at August 07, 2022 03:02 PM (bYETr)

261 I nominate The Master Therion as the new world order emissary to civilize 'slimes and open them up to the one and only true religion.

How bout them apples, bro.

Posted by: Ray at August 07, 2022 03:41 PM (sw3xv)

262 r.e. 258

I really don't care about Mecca but I'd LOVE to see the Temple Mount opened to tourists.

I'd love to see the temple mount area leveled, then pave it to put up a parking lot.

Posted by: Ray at August 07, 2022 03:44 PM (sw3xv)

263 11 Sure. Just start admitting love is love.
ED
Love is just a four letter word.

Posted by: Ray at August 07, 2022 03:45 PM (sw3xv)

264 Books are so 19th century.

C'mon everybody! Join the 21ar century.

Posted by: Ray at August 07, 2022 03:48 PM (sw3xv)

265 Posted by: Ray at August 07, 2022 03:48 PM (sw3xv)


Bless your heart.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at August 07, 2022 03:54 PM (yQpMk)

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Posted by: Sarah at August 07, 2022 05:12 PM (zQZ1l)

267 I have always considered Islam as a Christian apostasy

Posted by: mike in houston at August 07, 2022 05:44 PM (eGFVf)

268 Yet, the Waqf of Jordan controls the access to the Temple Mount, built by Jews around 1000 BC at the start of King David's reign, despite it being the Most Holy site for Jews (although Jews are wary of going near the site of the Temple (where the stupid Dome of the Rock is as a victory mosque) less they step on ground once contained in the Holy of Holies of the Sanctuary. An Islamic family owns the KEYS to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre so Christians cannot even own the true Tomb and execution site of Christ (It's not the "Garden Tomb" as posited by Gen. Chinese Gordon). Remember this one fact; Mo NEVER MADE IT TO JERUSALEM! The stupid revisionist Imam of the al-Aqsa mosque said 3 years ago that the mosque, built on the ruins of "Solomons' Stables" on the south aspect of the Mount, had been standing since the time of Adam and Eve...although arabic language tourist pamphlets even said it was built after the start of the muslim OCCUPATION by Omar Bakr around 740 AD. Funny then that the Bible made NOOOOO mention of an old building full of sons of Ishmael wearing little hats bowing down to a non-existent city of Mecca standing right next to the Temple.

Posted by: Donovan Nuera at August 07, 2022 06:03 PM (e4aaF)

269 The reason the left loves Islam so much is their similar stance on Western Civilization.

Posted by: C.M. Delta at August 07, 2022 06:05 PM (sPEYr)

270 If Bush had real balls, we would have attacked Saudi Arabia on 9/13/01 as the main backers of 9/11 and not protect them. The Kaaba would have made the perfect BBQ smokehouse for the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force in their new field command HQ in Mecca. Mo's mouldering carcass at the Medina mosque under the green dome would have been thrown in a pig sty so as to fatten them up for BBQ later. 800,000,000 women and girls would have been freed from the mental and physical tyranny of islam. Imagine no islam by 2010. Peace would have reigned. Now we have to worry about 3 billion muslims by 2100 and a shrinking population of devout Christians and Jews. Yet, the liberals still shriek about the Westboro Baptist "Church" being extremists. Heck, they have not been in the news in many years. The leader lawyer daughter of excommunicated Phelps is not that popular with fam as she thought.

Posted by: Donovan Nuera at August 07, 2022 06:09 PM (e4aaF)

271 Mecca did not exist until about 400 AD. It is not mentioned in any contemporary records of Romans or Persians or Greeks or Byzantines. Yet they culturally misappropriated the story of Abraham trying to sacrifice Isaac on what would be the Temple Mount in Jerusalem to Ibrahim using Ishmael and doing it in Mecca, hundreds of miles away from Canaan in a brutal hot desert. The Koran then says that Ibrahim built the first Kaaba and his goal was to make it known as the true temple for allah forever.......even though it was NEVER mentioned in the OLD or NEW TESTAMENT!! Another lie of islam.
Heck, they don't even allow archeological digs at Mecca or it would show that there was no human settlement until 400 AD.

Posted by: Donovan Nuera at August 07, 2022 06:14 PM (e4aaF)

272 Have your seen the new towering hotel in Mecca that is a chinzy and garish knockoff of Big Ben's (St. Elizabeth/ St. Stephen's Tower) that looms over the grand mosque? Laaaaaaame! They bulldozed a house that Mo had lived in....but dare touch a tile of a mosque in Shithole, Shitholistan, and the ummah gets angry.

Posted by: Donovan Nuera at August 07, 2022 06:17 PM (e4aaF)

273 It's an interesting issue, and one that has no easy solutions, other than for Islam to enter the 21st century, and that isn't going to happen for a long, long time.

Honestly, why in the Hell would they ? They're getting Western Civ to bend over backward in supplication all over the globe. Seriously. Ever flown through Beijing ? I have. Even the Chinese give the Muslims a prayer room at the airport.

What you write is the typical disconnect of Western Civ. You even put it in your screed. If they won't bend, why should we ?

Obvious answer, because "we", in the macro sense, will always bend. It's baked into the Classic Conservative nature.

Posted by: Good for the Gander at August 07, 2022 06:45 PM (LGaLJ)

274 "The policy of exclusion isn’t merely unjust; it’s also not mandated by Islam. The Koran, at 9:28, bans only polytheists from the Great Mosque—it doesn’t prohibit every non-Muslim from visiting Mecca. As part of his sweeping reforms, Crown Prince Mohammed should open the city of Mecca, its surrounding and Medina to all comers. The mosques may remain exclusive to Muslims, but everything else should be accessible."

Good example to follow: the Mormon Tabernacle (and its choir concerts), visitor centers, and local churches are open to the public, while admittance to the temples is reserved for members of the church in good standing only.

Posted by: go get your fuckin shine box at August 07, 2022 07:53 PM (8VDkz)

275 It’s none of our fucking business whether Muslims want non-Muslims in their holy spaces. But I like how that becomes the response to some Jew reporter sneaking in there. “Well shouldn’t we force the Muslims to accept our cultural values?”

Yeah it worked great in fucking Afghanistan

Posted by: Deceased Head Football Coach Howard Schnellenberger at August 07, 2022 11:30 PM (31l4A)

276 Islam is incredibly intolerant of all other faiths.

Pretty much everything Western Covilization stands for is anathema under Sharia.

21st Century? Islam isn’t ready for 9th century western freedoms yet.

Posted by: Aarradin at August 08, 2022 11:14 AM (6ZugP)

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