Judge Issues Stay Against Brandon's Vaccine Mandate for Navy Seals: "There Is No Military Exclusion for the Constitution"

In other words, the Constitution does not stop functioning just because you happen to be defending it.

A federal judge granted a temporary injunction Monday against a federal vaccine mandate for Navy SEALs, who sued President Biden because they were seeking a religious exemption.
Judge Reed O'Connor, the U.S. District Court Judge for the Northern District of Texas, issued the stay in response to a lawsuit filed by First Liberty Institute in November on behalf of 35 active-duty SEALs and three reservists seeking a religious exemption, as first reported by Fox News Digital.
"The Navy service members in this case seek to vindicate the very freedoms they have sacrificed so much to protect. The COVID-19 pandemic provides the government no license to abrogate those freedoms. There is no COVID-19 exception to the First Amendment," O'Connor wrote in his ruling. "There is no military exclusion from our Constitution."
The SEALs represented in the lawsuit were all members of various Christian denominations and objected to the vaccine mandate based on "their sincerely held religious beliefs," claiming the military was violating their constitutional rights.
"We are aware of the injunction and are reviewing it," said Pentagon spokesman John Kirby.

I noted in a post last week that while the military is legally required to evaluate religious-exemption requests on an individual case-by-case basis, it has denied all of the requests submitted with identical form letters.

A commenter asked if that would help make the case that Brandon was acting illegally. The judge seems to have noticed: "The Navy provides a religious accommodation process but by all accounts, it is theater."

Religious exemptions to the vaccine requirement are virtually non-existent. In the past seven years, the Navy has not granted a religious exemption to any vaccine requirement.
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To adjudicate a religious accommodation request, the Navy uses a six-phase, fifty-step process. See Supp. Decl. of Andrew Stephens, Ex. 1, ECF No. 62. Although "all requests for accommodation of religious practices are assessed on a case-by-case basis," Phase 1 of the Navy guidance document instructs an administrator to update a prepared disapproval template with the requester's name and rank. Based on this boilerplate rejection, Plaintiffs believe that this process is "pre-determined" and sidesteps the individualized review required by law.
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As explained below, the record indicates the denial of each request is predetermined. As a result, Plaintiffs need not wait for the Navy to engage in an empty formality. In addition, whether the vaccine mandate violates Plaintiffs' First Amendment rights is a legal question well suited for the courts, not the Navy's administrative process. The Court finds that exhaustion is futile and will
not provide complete relief, and therefore the case is justiciable.

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The facts overwhelmingly indicate that the Navy will deny the religious accommodations. The Navy has denied twenty-nine of Plaintiffs' thirty-five accommodations requests. Outside of Plaintiffs' requests, the Navy has, to date, never granted a religious accommodation request for the COVID-19 vaccine. In fact, in the past seven years, the Navy has never granted a single religious exemption for any vaccine. Several Plaintiffs have been directly told by their chains of command that "the senior leadership of Naval Special Warfare has no patience or tolerance for service members who refuse COVID-19 vaccination for religious reasons and wants them out of the SEAL community."
The Navy's accommodation process confirms those fears. The Navy uses a fifty-step process to adjudicate religious accommodation requests. Under the standard operating procedures for the process, the first fifteen steps require an administrator to update a prepared disapproval template with the requester’s name and rank. In essence, the Plaintiffs' requests are denied the moment they begin. That prepared letter is then sent to seven offices for review. After those offices review the disapproval letter, the administrator packages the letter with other religious accommodation requests for final signature. The administrator then prepares an internal memo to Vice Admiral John Nowell, asking him to "sign . . . letters disapproving immunization waiver requests based on sincerely held religious beliefs."
Then, at step thirty-five of the process, the administrator is told--for the first time--to read through the religious accommodation request. At that point, the disapproval letter has already been written, the religious accommodation request and related documents has already been reviewed by several offices, the disapproval has already been packaged with similar requests, and an internal memo has already been drafted requesting that Vice Admiral Nowell disapprove the religious
accommodation request.

Note, however, that analysis goes to justiciability, whether or not the court can decide this issue or not. The Navy says no, you may not, because we've not reached a final decision on these cases; the court says, be serious, you made your decision at step one of the supposedly "fifty step process." Actually, at step zero-- you have a blanket policy of rejecting all requests and pretending you evaluated them.

Then the court goes on to evaluate under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, and finds they'd likely win on the merits.

As I've mentioned before: This is another front in Brandon's attempt to purge the military of anyone who might be a Trump voter. They're using vaccine hesitancy as a proxy for Trump-voting.

They want their Wehrmacht to be politically pure. There can't be any questions in the ranks about obeying orders, even if those orders involve targeting the civilian population and political dissidents.

Posted by: Ace at 01:21 PM

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1 Good afternoon everyone.

Posted by: Tonypete at January 04, 2022 01:21 PM (mD/uy)

2 HA HA

(Of course, I expect Justice! Roberts to insist this is a tax, but it's still funny)

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 04, 2022 01:22 PM (llON8)

3 As I've mentioned before: This is another front in Brandon's attempt to purge the military of anyone who might be a Trump voter. They're using vaccine hesitancy as a proxy for Trump-voting.

This is everything with relation to the mandates. Because Trump voters (or any political opponent) are not really people- ergo they do not have rights. Just like the J6 people.

This is the fundamental problem and reason these people cannot be coexisted with. They do not see us as people but as things that have to be murdered/destroyed.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 04, 2022 01:24 PM (dNqv+)

4 Seem to recall that it was Brandon that got a couple dozen SEALs and others killed when he leaked info about them in a speech. It would be great if they play a role in his destruction.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 04, 2022 01:24 PM (URNdm)

5 I noted in a post last week that while the military is legally required to evaluate religious-exemption requests on an individual case-by-case basis, it has denied all of the requests submitted with identical form letters.
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And these guys are the Alpha Bureaucrats who ought to know better. Do they really think no one is going to compare notes?

I wonder what the median latency between exemption demand and exemption rejection is. I'll bet it's not all that high. But they're totally reading them and the processing them based on merit. Just like how the FBI read all of those Clinton E-Mails and were quite sure there was no classified information changing hands. All of the tens of thousands of them. In a day or two.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2022 01:25 PM (DU+/6)

6 As I've mentioned before: This is another front in Brandon's attempt to purge the military of anyone who might be a Trump voter. They're using vaccine hesitancy as a proxy for Trump-voting.

They want their Wehrmacht to be politically pure. There can't be any questions in the ranks about obeying orders, even if those orders involve targeting the civilian population and political dissidents.

They may get this.

They still won't fcking grasp that the results may not be what they expect.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 04, 2022 01:25 PM (llON8)

7 Brandon never tires of stepping on his dick.

Posted by: BignJames at January 04, 2022 01:25 PM (AwYPR)

8 Haven't posted yet this week
Fk Joe Biden

Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 04, 2022 01:25 PM (NPtNa)

9 They want their Wehrmacht to be politically pure. There can't be any questions in the ranks about obeying orders, even if those orders involve targeting the civilian population and political dissidents.
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I am sure that an excuse for a political purge is a motivation, but a fair amount of it is likely, "no dissent permitted." Do not question your betters.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2022 01:26 PM (DU+/6)

10 Time to get on board with a shrinking of the military. It won't solve every problem, but it will make it smaller.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 01:26 PM (sX1BW)

11 no, you may not, because we've not reached a final decision on these cases;

Then: We have already made our decision, the judge has no authority!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 04, 2022 01:26 PM (bKdTl)

12 It's the 2020s. Everything is theater now.

Posted by: Axeman at January 04, 2022 01:26 PM (OaZlZ)

13 "I noted in a post last week that while the military is legally required to evaluate religious-exemption requests on an individual case-by-case basis, it has denied all of the requests submitted with identical form letters."

We granted a metric butt ton of religious exemptions to various immunizations while I was in the Military including the annual flu shot.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at January 04, 2022 01:27 PM (bVYXr)

14 >>> 4
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This is the fundamental problem and reason these people cannot be coexisted with. They do not see us as people but as things that have to be murdered/destroyed.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 04, 2022 01:24 PM (dNqv+)

We can't heaven on earth unless you people do everything we tell you to, cause we're SMAHHHRT, but you won't LISTEN!!!

Posted by: leftists at January 04, 2022 01:27 PM (llON8)

15 Another very fit 25 year old professional soccer player dies of a heart attack.

https://bit.ly/3qMWPOL

Maybe SEALs can object to the shot on the basis it kills fit young men?

Posted by: bonhomme at January 04, 2022 01:27 PM (i0wNm)

16 6th Circuit: We over rule the 5th Circuit. 6 is bigger than 5. Naaah naahhh neener neener!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 04, 2022 01:27 PM (bKdTl)

17 8 Brandon never tires of stepping on his dick.
Posted by: BignJames at January 04, 2022 01:25 PM (AwYPR)

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His administration is a bunch of midwit leftist agitators.

Law doesn't matter. Thankfully, it seems to matter in some corners of the federal government.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 04, 2022 01:27 PM (LvTSG)

18 Will this even slow down the Marxists discharging military personnel for not getting the Fake Vax?

Posted by: Skip's Phone at January 04, 2022 01:27 PM (NPtNa)

19 >>>They may get this.

They still won't fcking grasp that the results may not be what they expect.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket at January 04, 2022 01:25 PM (llON

Correct. The biggest difference in this strategy that has been used throughout history to purge "disloyalists" is that the citizenry is armed to the hilt.

Posted by: In Reel Life (yes, dummy, on purpose) at January 04, 2022 01:28 PM (QYPq3)

20 How long before they are lined up in their thousands to swear fealty to the drooling, pants shitting, senile Fuhrer?

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 04, 2022 01:28 PM (o2MD2)

21 >>> 17 Another very fit 25 year old professional soccer player dies of a heart attack.

https://bit.ly/3qMWPOL

Maybe SEALs can object to the shot on the basis it kills fit young men?
Posted by: bonhomme at January 04, 2022 01:27 PM (i0wNm)

That's the idea.

Part of it anyway...

Posted by: Great Resstters at January 04, 2022 01:28 PM (llON8)

22 They want their Wehrmacht to be politically pure. There can't be any questions in the ranks about obeying orders, even if those orders involve targeting the civilian population and political dissidents.

I hate the fucking SS.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at January 04, 2022 01:28 PM (AiZBA)

23 It is a curious disconnect between the Navy and my experience in the private sector. I have asked lots of current and former colleagues who filed exemption demands about their outcomes. Across many companies (though all within my industry), the acceptance rate among people I have asked is 100%. I even got to read some of them. Some were good. Some were laughably bad. All were accepted, and accepted quickly. The piece of the private sector into which I have visibility appears to just be rubber-stamping all of the exemption demands. Just like the Navy, I suppose, albeit in the opposite direction.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2022 01:28 PM (DU+/6)

24 Dr. Ben Braddock has also pointed out a glaring illegality with the military vaccine mandates: they are mandating a non-FDA approved vaccine while the Pfizer-approved one, Comirnaty, is not available. Worse, they are mislabeling the vaccines to cover this up.

https://tinyurl.com/yckv6nhc

Posted by: Lizzy at January 04, 2022 01:29 PM (URNdm)

25 Makes sense. Litmus test for republicans/ resist our authority and you are gone/ Get rid of anyone who will not obey.

Posted by: MikeM at January 04, 2022 01:29 PM (Dwe7n)

26 Hm. This is an iffy ruling.

Clearly, joining the military negates quite a few ways you normally can express your rights. For example, you are not permitted to say certain things that you can as a civilian. You cannot quit the job when you want. You cannot say "no" to a direct order without severe consequences, etc.

I'm not sure this line of reasoning actually can hold up to a legal challenge as much as I agree with the results.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 01:29 PM (KZzsI)

27 Given that SecDef Darth Vader still got Covid, despite all his precautions, it's hilarious they're still pretending this is about health and safety.

https://bit.ly/3sTqQ21

Posted by: bonhomme at January 04, 2022 01:30 PM (i0wNm)

28 We replaced the U.S. military with the People's Liberation Army of China. Let's see if anyone notices.

Posted by: Ruthless at January 04, 2022 01:30 PM (/uaBM)

29 At that point, the disapproval letter has already been written, the religious accommodation request and related documents has already been reviewed by several offices, the disapproval has already been packaged with similar requests, and an internal memo has already been drafted requesting that Vice Admiral Nowell disapprove the religious accommodation request.

Ho. Lee. Fuk.

Posted by: pookysgirl, gobsmacked at January 04, 2022 01:30 PM (XKZwp)

30 Brandon never tires of stepping on his dick.
Posted by: BignJames at January 04, 2022 01:25 PM (AwYPR)]/i]

An expression that has always puzzled me. If one has a dick which can be stepped on by one's self -- wouldn't THAT in and of itself be noteworthy enough???

Posted by: Doof at January 04, 2022 01:30 PM (mZUr4)

31 Maybe SEALs can object to the shot on the basis it kills fit young men?

This feels like a better, more legally viable avenue to explore than constitutionality. Focus on the failure of the shots and the risks that outweigh any presumed benefit.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 01:30 PM (KZzsI)

32 A Mask-Free AOC and Her Boyfriend Attended to by a Team of Masked Servants [oldish story from Sept. but still fits for FL vacation] from Greenwald. See the sock link.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at January 04, 2022 01:31 PM (UHVv4)

33 Dang it

Posted by: Doof at January 04, 2022 01:31 PM (mZUr4)

34 An expression that has always puzzled me. If one has a dick which can be stepped on by one's self -- wouldn't THAT in and of itself be noteworthy enough???
Posted by: Doof at January 04, 2022 01:30 PM (mZUr4)
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Really short legs.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at January 04, 2022 01:31 PM (DnWKq)

35 The piece of the private sector into which I have visibility appears to just be rubber-stamping all of the exemption demands.

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I'm guessing even most of the CEOs want nothing to do with this. They don't want to enforce it, they don't want to deal with labor headaches at a time where labor is tight. But they feel the need to require vaccines because elite society is requiring it. But the exemptions are giving them a good reason to get around it for those willing to put in the effort. In a free society, this would not be necessary. But if your observation is true, it is also an indication that they know it is theatrical bullshit.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 01:31 PM (sX1BW)

36 I am the Biden, the, you know, the thing. You shall have no other gods before me!

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 04, 2022 01:31 PM (II3Gr)

37 I think you would have to agree that norms have been restored.

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at January 04, 2022 01:31 PM (iDcra)

38 Maybe SEALs can object to the shot on the basis it kills fit young men?
Posted by: bonhomme at January 04, 2022 01:27 PM (i0wNm)

Fact checkers rule this as false. If they died then they weren't fit!

Posted by: blaster at January 04, 2022 01:31 PM (mbFEM)

39
Correct. The biggest difference in this strategy that has been used throughout history to purge "disloyalists" is that the citizenry is armed to the hilt.
Posted by: In Reel Life (yes, dummy, on purpose) at January 04, 2022 01:28 PM (QYPq3)

People's word choice and idle remarks matter because it shows you windows into their thinking. Both Swallowell and Biden made the remark that since the American populace does not have nukes, it does not matter.

I would also point out, ROE and respect for civilian casualties will probably be quickly shunted off to the side- just like civil liberties have been silenced for J6 people.

They are literally screaming their intent.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 04, 2022 01:32 PM (dNqv+)

40 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 01:30 PM (KZzsI)

Cleaning up Doof's mess.

Posted by: In Reel Life (yes, dummy, on purpose) at January 04, 2022 01:32 PM (QYPq3)

41 This feels like a better, more legally viable avenue to explore than constitutionality. Focus on the failure of the shots and the risks that outweigh any presumed benefit.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 01:30 PM (KZzsI)

They're Navy SEALS. Risk is what they do.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at January 04, 2022 01:32 PM (AiZBA)

42 Yeah this one I am not sure about. Forgetting about the particulars of this vaccine for a moment. We in the Military have been getting shots, flu shots and others for ever. And in a sense it is a direct order with all that goes with direct orders in the Military. And yes when you join the Military you do sacrifice certain rights. Bottom line you really can't have every single Soldier Sailor and Marine deciding which Orders to follow and which not to.

Now I wish this had not gotten political, sigh, but it did. Anyway I am pretty sure a higher court will over rule this Judge at least in respect to the Military.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2022 01:32 PM (GPwVZ)

43 An expression that has always puzzled me. If one has a dick which can be stepped on by one's self -- wouldn't THAT in and of itself be noteworthy enough???

Posted by: Doof at January 04, 2022 01:30 PM (mZUr4)

You may be overthinking this.

Posted by: BignJames at January 04, 2022 01:32 PM (AwYPR)

44 Given that SecDef Darth Vader still got Covid, despite all his precautions, it's hilarious they're still pretending this is about health and safety.

https://bit.ly/3sTqQ21

That is such a shameful picture.

Posted by: t-bird at January 04, 2022 01:32 PM (3fR4G)

45 SEALS are people too!

This is a small victory. I hope the Supremes tel Brandon to go fuck himself.

Posted by: Czech Chick at January 04, 2022 01:32 PM (haWye)

46 They still won't fcking grasp that the results may not be what they expect.
Posted by: Helena Handbasket
I was thinking the same thing. A military filled with commie cowards, who do not want to fight for their country. But, ultimately, maybe that is what those who want to weaken our country want. So who knows.

Posted by: MikeM at January 04, 2022 01:32 PM (Dwe7n)

47 Hopefully a good sign for other federal employees.

Oh, and Let's Go Brandon.

Posted by: Greyman27 at January 04, 2022 01:32 PM (RKLPC)

48 Then, at step thirty-five of the process, the administrator is told--for the first time--to read through the religious accommodation request. At that point, the disapproval letter has already been written, the religious accommodation request and related documents has already been reviewed by several offices, the disapproval has already been packaged with similar requests, and an internal memo has already been drafted requesting that Vice Admiral Nowell disapprove the religious accommodation request.
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If I am reading that correctly, it seems that the normal process is to accept an exemption demand. If the vice admiral has to approve an exemption denial, then that seems like a *huge* bottleneck that would not usually be used in normal (non-COVID-related) operations. Is that correct?

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2022 01:32 PM (DU+/6)

49 They want their Wehrmacht to be politically pure. There can't be any questions in the ranks about obeying orders, even if those orders involve targeting the civilian population and political dissidents.

Posted by: Ace at 01:21 PM

Yep, which makes me think they plan to steal at least 2 more elections. 2022 and another Presidential election in 2024. Once that happens, they probably think they'll get an actual insurrection as they won't be able to hide the obvious rigged and stolen elections any longer. At that point, they'll need loyal military members to put down that insurrection.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at January 04, 2022 01:32 PM (Do5/p)

50 A Mask-Free AOC and Her Boyfriend Attended to by a Team of Masked Servant

The behavior of the elites is obvious: they are the upper class, they are better people, and you are servants to them. They lust for feudalism. They think Victorian England is the way to run things, with them at the top.

And you in the gutter selling matches.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 01:32 PM (KZzsI)

51 Quote Tweet Disclose.tv @disclosetv; 2h
NEW - Football [soccer] star Marcos Menaldo has tragically passed away at the age of 25 after suffering a heart attack in training.

Tom Elliott @tomselliott; 58m
If only we were allowed to explore possible explanations for this spate of sudden heart attacks among athletes

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at January 04, 2022 01:33 PM (UHVv4)

52 I identify as a seal and always wear something navy blue!

Posted by: ShainS -- Beware the Branch Covidians at January 04, 2022 01:33 PM (4bVqs)

53 Note, however, that analysis goes to justiciability, whether or not the court can decide this issue or not.

I wonder if this isn't still an issue though?
Since day one, soldiers are told they give up certain of their rights even though they are trained to give fight and if it happens, die, for the rights of others. As a result we have the UCMJ vice civilian courts for a military judicial system and the Company Commander has the legal authority to fine and confine soldiers found guilty of wrong-doing.
What am I missing?

Posted by: Diogenes at January 04, 2022 01:33 PM (axyOa)

54 Pretty funny this coming out the same week that triple-vaxxed AA hire SecDef Austin announces he has the Chi-Com Wu-Flu.

Posted by: Greyman27 at January 04, 2022 01:33 PM (RKLPC)

55 They're Navy SEALS. Risk is what they do.

As part of the job, though. On missions, not just health checkups.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 01:34 PM (KZzsI)

56 An expression that has always puzzled me. If one has a dick which can be stepped on by one's self -- wouldn't THAT in and of itself be noteworthy enough???
Posted by: Doof at January 04, 2022 01:30 PM (mZUr4)
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Really short legs.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea
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Two words: Detachable penis.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at January 04, 2022 01:34 PM (iDcra)

57 They want their Wehrmacht to be politically pure. There can't be any questions in the ranks about obeying orders, even if those orders involve targeting the civilian population and political dissidents.
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If I were Brandon, I'd think twice before pissing off Navy Seals.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 04, 2022 01:34 PM (YqDXo)

58 If only we were allowed to explore possible explanations for this spate of sudden heart attacks among athletes
Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at January 04, 2022 01:33 PM (UHVv4)

Don't be silly. Everybody knows that it is global warming.

Posted by: Napoleon XIV at January 04, 2022 01:34 PM (AiZBA)

59 32 A Mask-Free AOC and Her Boyfriend Attended to by a Team of Masked Servants [oldish story from Sept. but still fits for FL vacation] from Greenwald. See the sock link.
Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4)

Her High-Minded Progressive Views purifies her!!

Posted by: Branch Covidian High Priest at January 04, 2022 01:34 PM (sAmhv)

60 I wonder what the enlistment rate is with our all-volunteer military now. I wonder about the demographics.

The purge can come from numerous directions.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 04, 2022 01:34 PM (Fs5vw)

61 This was the same sort of judgement that 'overturned' Hawaii's de-facto gun ban. They literally never granted any application to carry a gun in the Islands.

Not that it changed much there, but it was notable.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 04, 2022 01:34 PM (V6f9+)

62 This is another front in Brandon's attempt to purge the military of anyone who might be a Trump voter. They're using vaccine hesitancy as a proxy for Trump-voting.
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Society wide. The CMS mandate goes to health care workers. The contractor mandate goes to employers with 100 employees or more. They are systematically winnowing out people of conscience/faith. There will be no more moral conscience in any organization with power.

Posted by: when you are systematically excluded from having a voice, you can't even complain at January 04, 2022 01:34 PM (OUMjh)

63 Tom Elliott @tomselliott; 58m
If only we were allowed to explore possible explanations for this spate of sudden heart attacks among athletes

We know the cause and I apologize for not being vaccinated.

Posted by: t-bird at January 04, 2022 01:34 PM (3fR4G)

64 4 As I've mentioned before: This is another front in Brandon's attempt to purge the military of anyone who might be a Trump voter. They're using vaccine hesitancy as a proxy for Trump-voting.

This is everything with relation to the mandates. Because Trump voters (or any political opponent) are not really people- ergo they do not have rights. Just like the J6 people.

This is the fundamental problem and reason these people cannot be coexisted with. They do not see us as people but as things that have to be murdered/destroyed.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at January 04, 2022 01:24 PM (dNqv+)

Yep, heard a similar sentiment from my peer's (and my boss') own lips - all those people who are "piling up" in hospitals are unvaxxed Republicans, and it's good they're "dying off", although we shouldn't say that publicly.

Pricks. I suspected they felt that way, but it's one thing to suspect someone thinks that and quite another to hear it first hand from them.

Posted by: Thrawn at January 04, 2022 01:35 PM (9ewTg)

65 If only we were allowed to explore possible explanations for this spate of sudden heart attacks among athletes

"Athletes in peak physical condition in their strongest years have always collapsed on the pitch!"
--Branch Covidian

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 01:35 PM (KZzsI)

66 Hm. This is an iffy ruling.

Clearly, joining the military negates quite a few ways you normally can express your rights. For example, you are not permitted to say certain things that you can as a civilian. You cannot quit the job when you want. You cannot say "no" to a direct order without severe consequences, etc.

I'm not sure this line of reasoning actually can hold up to a legal challenge as much as I agree with the results.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 01:29 PM

See my #13. Religious exemptions have historically been granted by the military in the past from my personal experience.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at January 04, 2022 01:35 PM (bVYXr)

67 If the Split comes and of the Seals of the old Navy who come over, I vote they become The Otters.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 04, 2022 01:35 PM (axyOa)

68 We replaced the U.S. military with the People's Liberation Army of China. Let's see if anyone notices.
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Jim never has a second cup of rice at home.

Posted by: housewife at neighbour's for dinner at January 04, 2022 01:35 PM (UHVv4)

69 They're Navy SEALS. Risk is what they do.
Posted by: Napoleon XIV at January 04, 2022 01:32 PM (AiZBA)

They're more in the risk mitigation business....

As such, they're highly capable of examining risk and taking whatever measures are necessary to reduce it. They may have nads of titanium, but they're hardly the YOLO Brigades.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 04, 2022 01:36 PM (6FeV1)

70 Cleaning up Doof's mess.
Posted by: In Reel Life (yes, dummy, on purpose) at January 04, 2022 01:32 PM (QYPq3)

Teamwork!

Posted by: Doof at January 04, 2022 01:36 PM (mZUr4)

71 I expect the vaunted Seals are having to water down their standards so that girls, faggots, and soyboise can play.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 04, 2022 01:36 PM (o2MD2)

72 Yeah this one I am not sure about. Forgetting about the particulars of this vaccine for a moment. We in the Military have been getting shots, flu shots and others for ever. And in a sense it is a direct order with all that goes with direct orders in the Military. And yes when you join the Military you do sacrifice certain rights. Bottom line you really can't have every single Soldier Sailor and Marine deciding which Orders to follow and which not to.

Now I wish this had not gotten political, sigh, but it did. Anyway I am pretty sure a higher court will over rule this Judge at least in respect to the Military.

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Its certainly an indication how political everything is around COVID. In normal times, I would agree with you. But get the right judge now and you can make headway. Ultimately, I would expect the courts to side with the Navy for the reasons you stated. But the seals may just have enough political cache to cause some sort of political movement to help the greater freedom loving cause.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 01:36 PM (sX1BW)

73 More, if the Government issues 'some' Religious exemptions, based on if you are in an organized religion, but does NOT grant others... are they not then, by government action, establishing what a religion is?

My religion is what ever I say it is. Just because I don't go to church, does not mean I don't believe.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 04, 2022 01:36 PM (oHd/0)

74 Are we sure Austin is vaccinated? They SAY they are. But really?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 04, 2022 01:36 PM (bKdTl)

75 Maybe SEALs can object to the shot on the basis it kills fit young men?
Posted by: bonhomme at January 04, 2022 01:27 PM

Otherwise known as "Military Age Males".

Posted by: Bert G at January 04, 2022 01:36 PM (aCyRI)

76 Religious exemptions have historically been granted by the military in the past from my personal experience.

The fact that they have issued NO exemptions is very suspicious here, but when it has come to innoculations and such, I am doubtful there were ever many in any case.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 01:36 PM (KZzsI)

77 Two words: Detachable penis.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at January 04, 2022 01:34 PM (iDcra)

King Missile says you owe them royalties

Posted by: Doof at January 04, 2022 01:37 PM (mZUr4)

78 Since day one, soldiers are told they give up certain of their rights even though they are trained to give fight and if it happens, die, for the rights of others. As a result we have the UCMJ vice civilian courts for a military judicial system and the Company Commander has the legal authority to fine and confine soldiers found guilty of wrong-doing.
What am I missing?
Posted by: Diogenes at January 04, 2022 01:33 PM (axyOa)

Nothing. This ruling will not stand up. The Military is a seperate catagory from the general public

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2022 01:37 PM (GPwVZ)

79 Otters.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 04, 2022 01:35 PM (axyOa)

Offensive Tactics and Training for Expedient Restoration of Sanity

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 04, 2022 01:37 PM (6FeV1)

80 By all means, keep discharging Constitution loving military veterans into the civilian population. Then try an impose tyranny upon tens of millions of armed civilians and see how that works out for you.

Posted by: Guzalot at January 04, 2022 01:37 PM (c1V25)

81 Given that SecDef Darth Vader still got Covid, despite all his precautions, it's hilarious they're still pretending this is about health and safety.

https://bit.ly/3sTqQ21

That is such a shameful picture.
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If that isn't a picture of a third world African dictatorship, I don't know what is.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at January 04, 2022 01:37 PM (iDcra)

82 67 If the Split comes and of the Seals of the old Navy who come over, I vote they become The Otters.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 04, 2022 01:35 PM (axyOa)

That would be a surprise.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 04, 2022 01:37 PM (II3Gr)

83 I dunno. I'd be careful to use the vaccine as some kind of rubicon whereby not taking it is wholly indicative of a certain political leaning. I think some people will just take it without objection because they want it. Others won't for a variety of reasons. Nonetheless, While I think there is probably enough to indicate at the GO level they are using several tools to ensure left wing ideological purity (e.g. the whole "extremist" witch-hunt), there are still a lot of good people who want to serve, get vaccinated for whatever reason and are not onboard with the Democrats cult. I also believe that having the fig leaf of a religious exemption is a clear indication DoD knows they need it, but have weaponized it with extreme prejudice and whimsical discretion. against partakers.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 04, 2022 01:38 PM (3PIFE)

84 Yeah this one I am not sure about. Forgetting about the particulars of this vaccine for a moment. We in the Military have been getting shots, flu shots and others for ever.

No, dog. I draw the line at forced experimentation. I have the scars on my arms from the forced anthrax experiment in the early 2000s.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 04, 2022 01:38 PM (bKdTl)

85 The Pentagon is full of political ass kissers and taint lickers. Why not make the vax requirement a condition for future entry into military service and grandfather the rest? BOOM!

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 04, 2022 01:38 PM (r0ADi)

86 See my #13. Religious exemptions have historically been granted by the military in the past from my personal experience.
Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at January 04, 2022 01:35 PM (bVYXr)

But never for vaxes, even though they should.

See the Anthrax discussion we had over holiday break...

It's a mistake the military has made for decades, and any recfification should fix it the same way - for all the military members who were punished over the years...

Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2022 01:38 PM (exHjb)

87 Under the next administration, I hope they adopt an "Ashli Babbitt Test" for military and police. Just one question: Was that shooting legitimate? If anyone says yes, you know you have a trigger-happy idiot just itching to shoot unarmed civilians. Proceed accordingly.

Posted by: Wally at January 04, 2022 01:38 PM (FJYfm)

88 Old and broken: clubbing baby seals.

New and woke: clubbing Navy SEALS.

Posted by: Ruthless at January 04, 2022 01:38 PM (/uaBM)

89 If the Split comes and of the Seals of the old Navy who come over, I vote they become The Otters.
Posted by: Diogenes at January 04, 2022 01:35 PM (axyOa)

That would be a surprise.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 04, 2022 01:37 PM (II3Gr)

And surprise anal would be a change from all that Snorkeling

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 04, 2022 01:38 PM (V6f9+)

90 And how many divisions does this judge have? Our own council we will keep, thanks.

Posted by: Joint Chiefs of Staff at January 04, 2022 01:38 PM (F9322)

91 Nothing. This ruling will not stand up. The Military is a seperate catagory from the general public

I agree, I think this is a poor decision by the judge that cannot stand up to challenge. I like the results but don't think its good legal argument.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 01:38 PM (KZzsI)

92 The fact that they have issued NO exemptions is very suspicious here, but when it has come to innoculations and such, I am doubtful there were ever many in any case.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 01:36 PM (KZzsI)

No religious exemptions as of yet, but they have issued both temporary and permanent exemptions.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2022 01:38 PM (GPwVZ)

93 Two words: Detachable penis.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at January 04, 2022 01:34 PM

Yes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byDiILrNbM4

Posted by: King Missile at January 04, 2022 01:39 PM (Do5/p)

94 Don't worry, the totally military loving, so much so that he names all his dogs after military ranks, president will just get around this by claiming not being vaccinated is a form of extremism, and then have all the soldiers dishonestly discharged and labeled as terrorist.

Posted by: Rbastid at January 04, 2022 01:39 PM (9wRBr)

95 Previous vax mandates were nearly all for time-tested vaccines in use for decades against diseases that will actually kill a healthy young service member. Emergency-use gene therapy mRNA clot shot? No one knows the long-term effects, because they weren't tested for 5+ years like most vaccines.

Posted by: Greyman27 at January 04, 2022 01:39 PM (RKLPC)

96 Are we sure Austin is vaccinated? They SAY they are. But really?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 04, 2022 01:36 PM (bKdTl)

I've heard the counterfeit vax cards look just like the real thing...Antonio Brown sez so.

Posted by: BignJames at January 04, 2022 01:39 PM (AwYPR)

97 And surprise anal would be a change from all that Snorkeling
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 04, 2022 01:38 PM (V6f9+)

Tell me you don't know many sailors without telling me.

Posted by: blaster at January 04, 2022 01:39 PM (mbFEM)

98 And for those who don't remember... three little words.

Gulf War Syndrome. Experimental vaccines that we were forced to sign a waiver for, or we could not deploy, and our careers were over. All for threats of Nerve Agents and Bio Agents, that Saddam did not have access to in the first place.

30% of Gulf War Vets have been formally diagnosed with the malady, and the Government has, conveniently, never really figured out the cause.

And then you wonder why some in the Military may be hesitant about experimental vaccines?

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 04, 2022 01:39 PM (oHd/0)

99 That is such a shameful picture.
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If that isn't a picture of a third world African dictatorship, I don't know what is.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at January 04, 2022 01:37 PM (iDcra)

Needs more epaulettes and medals.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 04, 2022 01:40 PM (II3Gr)

100 I wonder what the enlistment rate is with our all-volunteer military now. I wonder about the demographics.

The purge can come from numerous directions.
Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 04, 2022 01:34 PM (Fs5vw)

A very good question.
I try to follow it locally as I used to command a recruiting company. The last year has been rough. Still good applicants joining, but I sense a trend (without access to specific data) of a downward spiral.
There will always be a certain percentage of high school graduates who will join the military, but the number of those who qualify are becoming fewer, and while inflation tends to support recruiting, the local MacDs is hurting for people and will start at $16.50/hour with signing bonus. Hard to fight that.

Posted by: Diogenes at January 04, 2022 01:40 PM (axyOa)

101 That is such a shameful picture.

What a ridiculous figure.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 01:40 PM (KZzsI)

102 90 And how many divisions does this judge have? Our own council we will keep, thanks.
Posted by: Joint Chiefs of Staff at January 04, 2022 01:38 PM (F9322)
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More to the point, how many divisions do the Joint Chiefs of Staff? Maybe not as many as they think.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 04, 2022 01:40 PM (YqDXo)

103 And surprise anal would be a change from all that Snorkeling
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 04, 2022 01:38 PM (V6f9+)

Tell me you don't know many sailors without telling me.
Posted by: blaster at January 04, 2022 01:39 PM (mbFEM)

So it woudln't be a change?
/jk

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 04, 2022 01:41 PM (V6f9+)

104 To adjudicate a religious accommodation request, the Navy uses a six-phase, fifty-step process.

All steps lead to NO. The other five phases and 49 steps seem superfluous.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 04, 2022 01:41 PM (4I/2K)

105 No, dog. I draw the line at forced experimentation. I have the scars on my arms from the forced anthrax experiment in the early 2000s.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 04, 2022 01:38 PM (bKdTl)

Not trying to argue with you, and I understand your point, but with the FDA having issued a formal approval for these ( right or wrongly) they are no longer experimental.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2022 01:41 PM (GPwVZ)

106 If that isn't a picture of a third world African dictatorship, I don't know what is.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at January 04, 2022 01:37 PM (iDcra)

Needs more epaulettes and medals.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 04, 2022 01:40 PM (II3Gr)
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Also mirror sunglasses. A parrot on the shoulder wouldn't hurt.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 04, 2022 01:41 PM (YqDXo)

107 We can always fly these rogue operatives to Afghanistan and abandon them there.

Posted by: Dr. Bone at January 04, 2022 01:41 PM (r0ADi)

108 All for threats of Nerve Agents and Bio Agents, that Saddam did not have access to in the first place.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 04, 2022 01:39 PM (oHd/0)

He had access when we gave it to him in the 80's.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 04, 2022 01:41 PM (Y5qcH)

109 This shift in the military didn't start with the Biden administration. Clinton did his part, Obama did a lot more and Trump and Bush did not do much if anything to reverse it

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 01:41 PM (KZzsI)

110 88 Old and broken: clubbing baby seals.

New and woke: clubbing Navy SEALS.
Posted by: Ruthless at January 04, 2022 01:38 PM (/uaBM)

Baby seals should be at home with their mothers, not dancing, twirling glo-sticks, and dropping X all night.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 04, 2022 01:42 PM (II3Gr)

111 they are no longer experimental.

Well, not from a legal standpoint at least.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 01:42 PM (KZzsI)

112 In the long run, everything is experimental.

Posted by: Ruthless at January 04, 2022 01:43 PM (/uaBM)

113 Navy SEALS. That's the side I want to be on!

Posted by: m at January 04, 2022 01:43 PM (hGIMd)

114 And surprise anal would be a change from all that Snorkeling
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, Lawful Good is Not Lawful Perfect at January 04, 2022 01:38 PM (V6f9+)

Tell me you don't know many sailors without telling me.
Posted by: blaster at January 04, 2022 01:39 PM (mbFEM)

The only relevant question is whether they are on the pier or underway.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 04, 2022 01:43 PM (II3Gr)

115 And then you wonder why some in the Military may be hesitant about experimental vaccines?
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 04, 2022 01:39 PM (oHd/0)

And I get that, but as I said above the FDA has now officially approved the vaccine so it is not experimental anymore ( whether or not that should have been done). Which is why I think this Judge over reached. Sigh I understand what everyone is saying here, but this will be overturned.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2022 01:43 PM (GPwVZ)

116 That is such a shameful picture.
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If that isn't a picture of a third world African dictatorship, I don't know what is.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at January 04, 2022 01:37 PM (iDcra)

Needs more epaulettes and medals.
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 04, 2022 01:40 PM (II3Gr)

What the hell is that medal he's wearing?

Posted by: Jordan61 at January 04, 2022 01:44 PM (Ez6QX)

117 They want their Wehrmacht to be politically pure. There can't be any questions in the ranks about obeying orders, even if those orders involve targeting the civilian population and political dissidents.

Posted by: Ace at 01:21 PM

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Pure Bloods v. Politically Pure.

Posted by: ShainS -- Beware the Branch Covidians at January 04, 2022 01:44 PM (4bVqs)

118 What the hell is that medal he's wearing?
Posted by: Jordan61 at January 04, 2022 01:44 PM (Ez6QX)
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Participation award.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, Laird o' the Sea at January 04, 2022 01:44 PM (DnWKq)

119 Not trying to argue with you, and I understand your point, but with the FDA having issued a formal approval for these ( right or wrongly) they are no longer experimental.
Posted by: Nevergiveup

Point taken. The troops should have stood together on principle and said, "no". DoD can lose 10,000 troops. 500,000 is a different story.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 04, 2022 01:44 PM (bKdTl)

120 hey are no longer experimental.

Well, not from a legal standpoint at least.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 01:42 PM (KZzsI)

And for legal purposes that is all that counts at the moment in this argument. Sigh.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2022 01:45 PM (GPwVZ)

121 they are no longer experimental.
==
Yes. They are.

You aren't getting comirnaty. If you were they wouldn't be insolated from liability. Everything you are getting is still under EUA.

Posted by: when you are systematically excluded from having a voice, you can't even complain at January 04, 2022 01:45 PM (t4+ad)

122 What the hell is that medal he's wearing?
Posted by: Jordan61 at January 04, 2022 01:44 PM (Ez6QX)

The Royal Seal of the King of Scotland.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 04, 2022 01:45 PM (II3Gr)

123 By all means, keep discharging Constitution loving military veterans into the civilian population. Then try an impose tyranny upon tens of millions of armed civilians and see how that works out for you.

****

"I love this plan! I'm excited to be a part of it!"

Posted by: Azathoth at January 04, 2022 01:45 PM (W3VUu)

124

Biden really is a scumbag.

Posted by: Dr.Rev. Senator Your Highness E Buzz Miller, Esq PhD MA MS at January 04, 2022 01:46 PM (XnbJC)

125 This is an issue we can make apolitical. We can bring up service members from the Gulf wars and say we are righting a previous wrong and giving members the right to sign an opt out waiver for new vaccines (defined as on the market 10 years or less), and we are changing all old non-honorable discharges over vaccine issues into honorable discharges and we are going forward and no longer discharging folks over this issue.

That's how you "win" the issue. Don't just make it "this one time" - make it the issue of ALL time, and help all the Vets who got screwed in the past and now...

Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2022 01:46 PM (exHjb)

126 105 No, dog. I draw the line at forced experimentation. I have the scars on my arms from the forced anthrax experiment in the early 2000s.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 04, 2022 01:38 PM (bKdTl)

Not trying to argue with you, and I understand your point, but with the FDA having issued a formal approval for these ( right or wrongly) they are no longer experimental.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2022 01:41 PM (GPwVZ)

NGU, not trying to argue with you, but isn't the cannot-sue-the-drug-companies language still in place? Isn't that a gray area between "experimental" and "FDA approved"?

Posted by: m at January 04, 2022 01:46 PM (hGIMd)

127 shoot I'm so out of it today I willowed myself!

sorry I'm late. wasting WAY too much time on Gettr! this was on-topic for previous post. this one is too sad and angering to really add anything to. thankful for the judge in this case

ANYWAY - so Philly decided late last night to close their schools too. for the children, I'm sure.

people here are just devastated. no warning so really hard for parents to hustle to find child care. not that the teachers give a darn.

meanwhile the city's vax pass thingie is happening, you can't go and get a beer in the city without proof of the shot, and for all I know, the booster too. I don't care I won't be back in there (unless I'm wielding a weapon at the front of a column!)

Posted by: Black Orchid at January 04, 2022 01:46 PM (j9HX3)

128 What the hell is that medal he's wearing?
Posted by: Jordan61 at January 04, 2022 01:44 PM (Ez6QX)

Battle of Net Neutrality. Countless casualties.

Posted by: Wally at January 04, 2022 01:46 PM (FJYfm)

129 Like the FDA has never approved a harmful drug before.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 04, 2022 01:46 PM (Y5qcH)

130 Boy, your soul better belong to Jesus. Mhmm, 'cause your ass belongs to me...

Posted by: Uncle Joe at January 04, 2022 01:46 PM (r0ADi)

131 The real test of military law is when a sergeant looks his woke commander in the eye and says that firing against fellow Americans is an unlawful order.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 04, 2022 01:47 PM (Fs5vw)

132 Why does it look like that file of Marines all have pot bellies?

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 04, 2022 01:47 PM (6FeV1)

133 Yeah this one I am not sure about. Forgetting about the particulars of this vaccine for a moment. We in the Military have been getting shots, flu shots and others for ever. And in a sense it is a direct order with all that goes with direct orders in the Military. And yes when you join the Military you do sacrifice certain rights. Bottom line you really can't have every single Soldier Sailor and Marine deciding which Orders to follow and which not to.

Agreed. Joining the military means you have died a partial civil death. Moreover, it is not entirely clear that military justice falls under Article III of the Constitution which establishes a court system. A more likely home is Article I, Section 8. Even Article II has a better argument in that POTUS is Commander-in-Chief.

Posted by: Cthillary, dead but dreaming at January 04, 2022 01:47 PM (zSyrn)

134 Point taken. The troops should have stood together on principle and said, "no". DoD can lose 10,000 troops. 500,000 is a different story.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 04, 2022 01:44 PM (bKdTl)

Where I sit I have to advise Sailors all the time about just this. I never make a value judgement and I tell them that, but I do lay out the facts and procedures for them. It is a very depressing part of my present job. Luckily I do not make the final determinations, I just have to deal with the fall out

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2022 01:47 PM (GPwVZ)

135 Not trying to gang up on you, NGU, nor have you do my homework! Just picking your brain.

Posted by: m at January 04, 2022 01:47 PM (hGIMd)

136 That ni99a stole my medal!!

Posted by: Idi Amin Dada Qumee at January 04, 2022 01:48 PM (iDcra)

137 What the hell is that medal he's wearing?
Posted by: Jordan61
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heya Jordan.

Who knows.

And yes, the pic does look like something out of a third-world country, which at this point, we are.

Posted by: SMH at the wonder of His mercy at January 04, 2022 01:48 PM (BqFQD)

138 The denials are both specious and spurious. There is no consistent basis for the approval or denial of the exemptions. The fact they have a process is proof they know it's necessary under applicable laws and regulation ( hint, the military is not exempt from the RFR Act). They can't make whimsical judgments for approval. This is no different then ruse's like "shall issue" in civilian land. They have a very good chance on that basis alone.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 04, 2022 01:48 PM (3PIFE)

139 The FDA approval means nothing. The FDA is politisized, and therefore an arm of the deep state, and their proclamations pure propaganda.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 04, 2022 01:49 PM (o2MD2)

140 Posted by: Nevergiveup

Do you talk to them about it while giving them a root canal?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 04, 2022 01:49 PM (bKdTl)

141 What the hell is that medal he's wearing?

Posted by: Jordan61 at January 04, 2022 01:44 PM (Ez6QX)

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Presidential Medal of Feed Him?

Congressional Medal of Goner?

Posted by: ShainS -- Beware the Branch Covidians at January 04, 2022 01:49 PM (4bVqs)

142 That medal might be an award from another country for some thing or another.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 04, 2022 01:49 PM (6FeV1)

143 Seem to recall that it was Brandon that got a couple dozen SEALs and others killed when he leaked info about them in a speech. It would be great if they play a role in his destruction.
Posted by: Lizzy

Might've been Pat Leahy? Regardless, it still counts because Leahy is Brandon-Adjacent.

Posted by: Hands at January 04, 2022 01:49 PM (786Ro)

144 I forget, is it the secretary of the navy that looks like a tranny nightmare, or was it just some "rear-admiral"?

Posted by: snort at January 04, 2022 01:49 PM (BXfZS)

145 NGU, not trying to argue with you, but isn't the cannot-sue-the-drug-companies language still in place? Isn't that a gray area between "experimental" and "FDA approved"?
Posted by: m at January 04, 2022 01:46 PM (hGIMd)

No, for most, most are fully approved. Pizer for sure. I think MOderna also. Not sure about J & J.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2022 01:49 PM (GPwVZ)

146 And how many divisions does this judge have? Our own council we will keep, thanks.

Posted by: Joint Chiefs of Staff

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How many divisions do the Joint Chiefs have?

Eliminating that group of useless managerial uniformed staff would be a welcome change.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 01:50 PM (sX1BW)

147 "Then the court goes on to evaluate under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, and finds they'd likely win on the merits."

RFRA. I remember that being the act passed in Mike Pence's Indiana, which he refused to enforce after caving before the threat by Salesforce of having their business pulled from the state.

That always stuck in my craw. Pence's performance as VP, especially in the C-19 Task Force, helped to soften my harsh opinion of him from that point. He eventually reverted to the mean, of course, to my bitter disappointment.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 04, 2022 01:50 PM (v7GsP)

148 Like the FDA has never approved a harmful drug before.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 04, 2022 01:46 PM

Why do you think you see all of those "If you have ever been prescribed ***** you may be entitled to compensation" TV commercials all of the time?

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at January 04, 2022 01:50 PM (bVYXr)

149 Even Article II has a better argument in that POTUS is Commander-in-Chief.
Posted by: Cthillary, dead but dreaming at January 04, 2022 01:47 PM (zSyrn)

Except that post My Lai massacre, it is part of military law that you should not follow an illegal order.

An Unconstitutional order, even from the Commander in Chief, is by definition an illegal order.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 04, 2022 01:51 PM (oHd/0)

150 Colin Brazier @colinbrazierGBN; 9h
380 years ago today the King entered Parliament with soldiers. Civil War followed and shaped our democracy irrevocably and in a way that much of the world then copied. Such a seminal moment in British history, rarely given the attention it deserves now in our schools.

https://twitter.com/colinbrazierGBN/status/
1478291477499424769

And, oddly enough, January 30 will mark 373 years since the execution of King Charles I.

Posted by: andycanuck (UHVv4) at January 04, 2022 01:51 PM (UHVv4)

151 I bet they would give Demi Moore an exemption.

Posted by: Just a side note at January 04, 2022 01:51 PM (mmU7u)

152 No, for most, most are fully approved. Pizer for sure. I think MOderna also. Not sure about J & J.
==
"fully approved" does not mean what you think it means

Posted by: Check me if I'm wrong, but at January 04, 2022 01:51 PM (nY/Y5)

153 In fairness , the seals seem to be the iffiest tier 1 bunch

Posted by: Y5 at January 04, 2022 01:51 PM (KnvZT)

154 FLASH! The FDA has officially approved Pervitin for use in all domestic combat against enemies of the state.

Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 04, 2022 01:51 PM (o2MD2)

155 Do you talk to them about it while giving them a root canal?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 04, 2022 01:49 PM (bKdTl)

I don't really do any dentistry for the Navy. I sit in some big shot's office advising on policy.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2022 01:51 PM (GPwVZ)

156 I look forward to a Republican Congress and President restoring service members back to active duty with back pay and time in service rank.

Pfft. Just kidding. There isn't a single Republican with that courage.

Posted by: Marcus T at January 04, 2022 01:52 PM (3PIFE)

157 Smart money bets that muzzies get their religious exemptions.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at January 04, 2022 01:52 PM (iDcra)

158 >>Biden really is a scumbag.

Ashley, in the shower, with the Sticky Finger.

Posted by: CLUE at January 04, 2022 01:52 PM (dOUYW)

159 His administration is a bunch of midwit leftist agitators.

Law doesn't matter. Thankfully, it seems to matter in some corners of the federal government.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 04, 2022 01:27 PM (LvTSG)

There was a report that the Fed Shot Mandate for pilots violates the FAA rule on a ban on flight crews use of experimental or newly FDA passed medicines or treatments, and this is causing some heartburn in certain circles

Posted by: Kindltot at January 04, 2022 01:52 PM (ZMraq)

160 Back in the halcyon days of Beirut, there was a pile of junked airliners beside the runway - the dozers had just shoved them aside. Do they not have bulldozers in Virginia to just shove the wrecked trucks to the side? We're talking 6-7 rigs at what, $250k a pop versus allowing people to see America is slipping into 3rd world status. Or is the silly attempt to tar Youngkin with this worth it?

Posted by: ) Days Since I Gave Up Posting Here at January 04, 2022 01:53 PM (QZ/dC)

161 Hey SMH!

Posted by: Jordan61 at January 04, 2022 01:53 PM (Ez6QX)

162 "But this is FDA approved."

Can I interest you in a handful of Vioxx then?

Posted by: Azathoth at January 04, 2022 01:53 PM (W3VUu)

163 >>I bet they would give Demi Moore an exemption.

Well, she has to get to the show or Cassandra and the Waves might never hit it big!

Posted by: garrett at January 04, 2022 01:54 PM (dOUYW)

164 An expression that has always puzzled me. If one has a dick which can be stepped on by one's self -- wouldn't THAT in and of itself be noteworthy enough???
Posted by: Doof at January 04, 2022 01:30 PM (mZUr4)
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Really short legs.

**poof** and his legs were gone.

Just the Punch Line.

Posted by: Paladin at January 04, 2022 01:54 PM (CE4w9)

165 154 FLASH! The FDA has officially approved Pervitin for use in all domestic combat against enemies of the state.
Posted by: Xipe Totec at January 04, 2022 01:51 PM (o2MD2)

That was German, the US had the insignificantly safer Benzedrine.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 04, 2022 01:54 PM (Y5qcH)

166 What a great idea. Let's force out all of these highly trained operators- the diverse, new trans-seals will certainly outperform them in every way. These disaffected, highly trained, motivated, and self-disciplined young, healthy men will immediately forget everything they know, hold no grievances, and we will usher in a great new golden age of perfection.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at January 04, 2022 01:54 PM (0jQA0)

167 Some of the medical exemptions make sense to me, even the ones that have not been granted, such as those who had Covid and can document a certain blood level of antibodies.

But to be very honest, I great many of the religious exemptions are really a crock of shit. Which hurts the few which may be legit. From what I have seen

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2022 01:55 PM (GPwVZ)

168 157 Smart money bets that muzzies get their religious exemptions.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at January 04, 2022 01:52 PM (iDcra)

Nobody has...and didn't with anthrax. In fact, it was a Muslim who got stuck in jail for that one before he got a dishonorable...

The folks who got that shot removed were ones who got dishonorables and generals and then fought the shot. They didn't really get anything for that time and effort of the fight except the gratification they stopped the process...the military removed the requirement, but didn't fix anything from before...

Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2022 01:55 PM (exHjb)

169 LOL manchin. "There has been no conversations since I made my statement".

He is not negotiating anything with biden.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at January 04, 2022 01:55 PM (bVYXr)

170 These disaffected, highly trained, motivated, and self-disciplined young, healthy men will immediately forget everything they know, hold no grievances, and we will usher in a great new golden age of perfection.
Posted by: Farmer Bob at January 04, 2022 01:54 PM (0jQA0)

Having an artificial suppurating gash between your legs is the ultimate in combat readiness.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 04, 2022 01:56 PM (II3Gr)

171 If you say it is a religious exempting it is, of the Navy disagrees it is their job to show it is not.

Posted by: Y5 at January 04, 2022 01:56 PM (KnvZT)

172 169 LOL manchin. "There has been no conversations since I made my statement".

He is not negotiating anything with biden.
Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at January 04, 2022 01:55 PM (bVYXr)

Maybe. Maybe not. I don't trust any of them.

Posted by: blaster at January 04, 2022 01:56 PM (mbFEM)

173 No, for most, most are fully approved. Pizer for sure. I think MOderna also. Not sure about J & J.

Posted by: Nevergiveup

Approved, yes. But have not completed long term safety trials and follow ups. That is customary for any drug, but more so for a new class of therapeutic, which mRNA vaccines are. And even after long term studies, many drugs are pulled after approval due to adverse events that can affect less than 50 people. Rota vaccine, vioxx, actos... The FDA knew of 1000 who died from the vaccine by Feb 2020.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 04, 2022 01:57 PM (bKdTl)

174 If you say it is a religious exempting it is, of the Navy disagrees it is their job to show it is not.

Posted by: Y5 at January 04, 2022 01:56 PM (KnvZT)

Ah yeah no, that is not the way it works.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2022 01:57 PM (GPwVZ)

175 169 LOL manchin. "There has been no conversations since I made my statement".

He is not negotiating anything with biden.

I believe him, actually. that headline plus the schumer one about a voting bill are mostly just FUD - to dispirit people.

Posted by: Black Orchid at January 04, 2022 01:57 PM (j9HX3)

176 169 LOL manchin. "There has been no conversations since I made my statement".

He is not negotiating anything with biden.
Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at January 04, 2022 01:55 PM (bVYXr)

Nothing has changed from the first time that B-cubed was tanked. The Dems have the same 'moderates' that are at risk of being tossed out of the Senate in November, and they don't want to be flushed out now. They will continue to hide behind Manchin and Sinema, and not allow BBB to pass.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 04, 2022 01:57 PM (v7GsP)

177 But this is FDA approved.
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Authorized not approved. You aren't getting Comirnaty.

Emergency uses of the vaccine have not been approved or licensed by FDA, but have been authorized by FDA, under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to prevent Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in individuals 12 years of age and older. The emergency uses are only authorized for the duration of the declaration that circumstances exist justifying the authorization of emergency use of the medical product under Section 564(b)(1) of the FD&C Act unless the declaration is terminated or authorization revoked sooner.

Posted by: Check me if I'm wrong, but at January 04, 2022 01:58 PM (rx94k)

178 Any word if those few given religious exemptions happened to favor, maybe, 'religion of peace' followers?

Posted by: Fool Otto at January 04, 2022 01:58 PM (DB16e)

179 ABSOLUTELY they're trying for an only woke military who will follow communists.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at January 04, 2022 01:58 PM (ySQBZ)

180 Manchin is a fucking snake.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at January 04, 2022 01:58 PM (FBkTL)

181
Ah yeah no, that is not the way it works.
Posted by: N

Yes it is, it is just not understood by the Navy.

Posted by: Y5 at January 04, 2022 01:59 PM (KnvZT)

182 Approved, yes. But have not completed long term safety trials and follow ups. That is customary for any drug, but more so for a new class of therapeutic, which mRNA vaccines are. And even after long term studies, many drugs are pulled after approval due to adverse events that can affect less than 50 people. Rota vaccine, vioxx, actos... The FDA knew of 1000 who died from the vaccine by Feb 2020.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 04, 2022 01:57 PM (bKdTl)

again, not arguing with you, just saying from a legal point of view as this pertains to the Military, this Judge will be overruled. In my opinion, for what ever that is worth LOL.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2022 01:59 PM (GPwVZ)

183 I wonder if Manchin and Nunes have been chatting recently....

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 04, 2022 01:59 PM (6FeV1)

184 I bet muzzies get all sorts of exemptions in the military.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 04, 2022 01:59 PM (Fs5vw)

185

SEAL versus seal: 1 eats pussy (and occasionally dick), 1eats fish...

Posted by: Officer Friendly at January 04, 2022 01:59 PM (HXLir)

186 But I agree most religions exemptions are bs. Catholics trying that and bs.

Posted by: dagny, first of her name at January 04, 2022 02:00 PM (ySQBZ)

187 This blonde aviatrix would be open to dating a Navy SEAL:
https://is.gd/eNcMD6

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2022 02:00 PM (DU+/6)

188 I retired at the right time. But then, they would have retired me anyway because there is no way in hell I would get that shot.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at January 04, 2022 02:01 PM (bKdTl)

189 Posted by: Check me if I'm wrong, but at January 04, 2022 01:58 PM (rx94k)

You are wrong. The emergency use allowed the vaccine to be given before formal approval. And while under emergency use the gov was NOT apply to make anyone in the Military comply. It was only AFTER the vaccine was given the Official FULL approval that Military was able to mandate that all in the Military be vaccinated

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2022 02:02 PM (GPwVZ)

190 Yes it is, it is just not understood by the Navy.

I think in the military, every order is absolute and presumed to be right and yo have to prove otherwise. They might, if they are kind, show you an exemption.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 02:02 PM (KZzsI)

191 But to be very honest, I great many of the religious exemptions are really a crock of shit. Which hurts the few which may be legit. From what I have seen
==
Well, an officious bureaucrat's personal opinion about somebody else's religious beliefs is all that really matters.

Posted by: NOT -say the Civilian Courts at January 04, 2022 02:02 PM (0zB4+)

192 I don't really do any dentistry for the Navy. I sit in some big shot's office advising on policy.

Posted by: Nevergiveup

National Military Dentistry Policy?

Admiral Big Shot: "NGU, what say you on whether we should continue to fix the teeth of our servicemembers and the keeping of accurate records on each servicemembers' teeth?"

NGU: "Sir, I believe we should maintain the policy put into place 100 years ago that we should continue fixing our servicemembers' teeth and keep records of their teeth, in order to be able to more accurately identify their remains if they are KIA or MIA."

Admiral Big Shot: "Excellent, NGU! I concur. Go ahead and take the rest of the year off, and I'll see you in January 2023 for the next Annual Review of National Military Dentistry Policy!"

NGU *picking up golf clubs*: "Aye aye, Sir!"

Posted by: Sharkman at January 04, 2022 02:02 PM (Avnu4)

193 For the most part a religious exemptin does not require an organized religion or note from your minister, it is a matter of c science

Posted by: Y5 at January 04, 2022 02:02 PM (KnvZT)

194 They will continue to hide behind Manchin and Sinema, and not allow BBB to pass.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 04, 2022 01:57 PM (v7GsP)

As long as there's only two, we can make it happen!!!

Posted by: Murk, Mitt and, Collins at January 04, 2022 02:02 PM (7bRMQ)

195 I agree most religions exemptions are bs

Yeah I am skeptical of most religious exceptions. Like trying to refuse a shot because it was based on repeatedly cloned foetal tissue from an abortion in the 1970s

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 02:03 PM (KZzsI)

196 Damn...I really should not have stopped doing core classes...they're so hard to get back into.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 04, 2022 02:03 PM (LvTSG)

197 **poof** and his legs were gone.

Just the Punch Line.
Posted by: Paladin at January 04, 2022 01:54 PM (CE4w9)

That's the punchline to a great joke, for sure!

Posted by: Doof at January 04, 2022 02:04 PM (mZUr4)

198 Speaking of religious exemptions, this is a quality meme.

https://bit.ly/3FUBAk5

Posted by: bonhomme at January 04, 2022 02:04 PM (i0wNm)

199 For the most part a religious exemptin does not require an organized religion or note from your minister, it is a matter of c science
Posted by: Y5 at January 04, 2022 02:02 PM (KnvZT)

LOL, yeah no. At least not in the Military. ALL those applying for a religious exemption are required to be interviewed by a chaplin

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2022 02:05 PM (GPwVZ)

200 Damn...I really should not have stopped doing core classes...they're so hard to get back into.

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I didn't know you were a chick.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 02:05 PM (sX1BW)

201 The Marines say that they have now reviewed and adjudicated 3,080 of the 3,192 requests, more than 96%." They have approved zero. No religious preference.

Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2022 02:05 PM (exHjb)

202 This blonde aviatrix would be open to dating a Navy SEAL:
https://is.gd/eNcMD6

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)

It's funny because her real name is Gwen Archaeopteryx.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 04, 2022 02:06 PM (Avnu4)

203 187 This blonde aviatrix would be open to dating a Navy SEAL:
https://is.gd/eNcMD6

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Squirt 8, at least.

Posted by: Blind Roscoe McGee at January 04, 2022 02:06 PM (8Aixa)

204 200 Damn...I really should not have stopped doing core classes...they're so hard to get back into.

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I didn't know you were a chick.
Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 02:05 PM (sX1BW)

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I want abs...

And Dolley got me to follow some schedule of Peloton classes starting this month, and they do core everyday.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 04, 2022 02:06 PM (LvTSG)

205 197 **poof** and his legs were gone.

Just the Punch Line.
Posted by: Paladin at January 04, 2022 01:54 PM (CE4w9)

That's the punchline to a great joke, for sure!
Posted by: Doof at January 04, 2022 02:04 PM (mZUr4)

What's the joke?

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 04, 2022 02:06 PM (II3Gr)

206 201 The Marines say that they have now reviewed and adjudicated 3,080 of the 3,192 requests, more than 96%." They have approved zero. No religious preference.
Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2022 02:05 PM (exHjb)

"We're not interfering with your freedom of speech, we're not allowing ANYBODY to speak. So shut up. "

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 04, 2022 02:06 PM (6FeV1)

207 Appreciate your chipping in, Nevergiveup.

Posted by: m at January 04, 2022 02:07 PM (hGIMd)

208 Amanda Makulec,a 35-year-old Washington D.C. woman gloats of being vaccinated, pregnant, breastfeeding; Newborn son dies at 2 1/2 months.. Research also indicates breastfeeding is very dangerous to your newborn if you are vaccinated.

Posted by: SMOD at January 04, 2022 02:07 PM (RHGPo)

209 You are wrong. The emergency use allowed the vaccine to be given before formal approval. And while under emergency use the gov was NOT apply to make anyone in the Military comply. It was only AFTER the vaccine was given the Official FULL approval that Military was able to mandate that all in the Military be vaccinated
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Comirnaty got a letter from the head of the FDA, did not follow the normal process but it is "approved". You aren't getting Comirnaty because they aren't making it. They aren't making it because the approved one, doesn't give them liability protection. You are getting the one still under EUA. The "work around" supposedly is that they are identical. But they do say they are different. They have different legal status when it comes to liability.

Either way, it is still experimental as a matter of actual science. There is no long term data at all, is there?

Posted by: are you part of the problem or the solution at January 04, 2022 02:07 PM (R0TOU)

210 What's the joke?

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 04, 2022 02:06 PM (II3Gr)

Stand up, Chuck!

Posted by: Joe B at January 04, 2022 02:08 PM (7bRMQ)

211 Appreciate your chipping in, Nevergiveup.

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Always good to hear from the sadist.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 02:08 PM (sX1BW)

212 206
"We're not interfering with your freedom of speech, we're not allowing ANYBODY to speak. So shut up. "
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 04, 2022 02:06 PM (6FeV1)

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"Except Colonel Sparkles. Xe gets to say whatever xe wants on Twitter."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 04, 2022 02:08 PM (LvTSG)

213 201 Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2022 02:05 PM (exHjb)

They have made up their mind behind closed doors, now remember the same DoD genius class essentially granted Maj Hasan a religious exemption on the sly unofficially to proselytize for his faith on the psychiatric couch.

Posted by: sven at January 04, 2022 02:08 PM (Lzpvj)

214
LOL, yeah no. At least not in the Military. ALL those applying for a religious exemption are required to be interviewed by a chaplin
Posted by: N

In fairness, you're a dentist so I might not rely upon you as a Constitutinal scholar.

The Navy might not be infallible

Posted by: Y5 at January 04, 2022 02:08 PM (KnvZT)

215 Follow this through. Meet the late inventor of the PCR test, Dr. Kary Mullis:
https://tinyurl.com/ydnhppbd

His name started popping up on social media a year ago for obvious reasons. Claims were made and Reuters fact checked them. Reuters had to adjust its conclusion from FALSE to MISLEADING. Read carefully. You be the judge of what or how much is "misleading":
https://tinyurl.com/3fcdn4nk

Now after reading the last paragraph on that Reuters page, it seems like Reuters never saw this old video of Dr. Mullis being casually interviewed many years ago:
https://tinyurl.com/3r8zmdr7

Interesting stuff from the Nobel Prize inventor of PCR, no? Now here's a highly related bonus video from Dr Mullis. Enjoy:
https://youtu.be/5aISPlTLbJo

Posted by: Biden's Dog at January 04, 2022 02:08 PM (UFWG6)

216 But have not completed long term safety trials and follow ups. That is customary for any drug, but more so for a new class of therapeutic, which mRNA vaccines are. And even after long term studies, many drugs are pulled after approval due to adverse events that can affect less than 50 people. Rota vaccine, vioxx, actos... The FDA knew of 1000 who died from the vaccine by Feb 2020.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy

When you hear "you may be entitled to compensation", know that whatever follows, was once FDA approved.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 04, 2022 02:08 PM (uXonU)

217 212 Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 04, 2022 02:08 PM (LvTSG)

If your speech is democrat approved or donk curious you are golden.

Posted by: sven at January 04, 2022 02:08 PM (Lzpvj)

218
You are wrong. The emergency use allowed the vaccine to be given before formal approval. And while under emergency use the gov was NOT apply to make anyone in the Military comply. It was only AFTER the vaccine was given the Official FULL approval that Military was able to mandate that all in the Military be vaccinated
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2022 02:02 PM (GPwVZ)

There's only one vaccine that's been FDA approved. And it's being held back or being given very very limited use.

And it's not of the big three that we hear about most.

Posted by: Pork Chops & Bacons at January 04, 2022 02:08 PM (Fs5vw)

219 Well, she has to get to the show or Cassandra and the Waves might never hit it big!
Posted by: garrett at January 04, 2022 01
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I got this reference.

Posted by: BunkerintheBurbs at January 04, 2022 02:09 PM (1kZuj)

220 Appreciate your chipping in, Nevergiveup.
Posted by: m at January 04, 2022 02:07 PM (hGIMd)

Like I tell those in the Military I deal with, I am not making a value judgement, just inform them of the facts and procedures as they exist at this moment and they have to make their own decisions.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2022 02:09 PM (GPwVZ)

221
A few years ago, I might have believed the Navy would have fought this suit simply to exert bureaucratic power as a matter of rote.

Now, God help us, I think Ace's more cynical (or sinister) interpretation rings true.

Posted by: RM at January 04, 2022 02:09 PM (U3LtS)

222 "We're not interfering with your freedom of speech, we're not allowing ANYBODY to speak. So shut up. "
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 04, 2022 02:06 PM (6FeV1)

It is the safest way to not lose if you get sued. Deciding which religion matters is an auto-lose, so you either approve all or none. The military has always approved none for religious exemption and almost none for disability exemption (for Covid, there have been a tiny few disability approved and a few more "temporarily approved" for a certain time to lapse before shot necessity).

Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2022 02:09 PM (exHjb)

223 209 Posted by: are you part of the problem or the solution at January 04, 2022 02:07 PM (R0TOU)

"We pencil whipped things and made changes to those definitions to SHAVE LIVES!"

//"Your" CDC

Posted by: sven at January 04, 2022 02:10 PM (Lzpvj)

224 What's the joke?
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 04, 2022 02:06 PM (II3Gr)

Something about a guy finding a magic lamp and genie. Wishes for a dick that touches the ground.

Posted by: Doof at January 04, 2022 02:10 PM (mZUr4)

225 I guess here's where I (unusually) disagree with CRT. The fact that a waiver process exists seems to indicate DoD accepts the possibility of the necessity of an exemption for a sincerely held religious belief. The fact that one has never been granted demonstrates the process is a farce, designed to suppress genuine first amendment rights.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at January 04, 2022 02:10 PM (0jQA0)

226 For the most part a religious exemptin does not require an organized religion or note from your minister, it is a matter of c science
Posted by: Y5 at January 04, 2022 02:02 PM (KnvZT)

LOL, yeah no. At least not in the Military. ALL those applying for a religious exemption are required to be interviewed by a chaplin
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In the civilian world you don't even have to be a member of an organized religion to have an religious objection.

Posted by: but of course, in the military the constitution is just aspirational, unless you want a gash carved at January 04, 2022 02:10 PM (e18Ry)

227 222 Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2022 02:09 PM (exHjb)

Nice now do beards, and prayer during the work day.

Posted by: sven at January 04, 2022 02:10 PM (Lzpvj)

228 Ontario, Canadastan is locking down again.

https://bit.ly/32OWQJY

Posted by: bonhomme at January 04, 2022 02:10 PM (i0wNm)

229 I do find it curious that Brandon and Co. want to purge the ranks of some of the most highly trained killing machines humans have ever produced, in the thought that they will simply "go away" and stop bothering them. They should really be thinking on what happens when they severely piss off those killing machines.

Posted by: "Perfessor" Squirrel at January 04, 2022 02:10 PM (YIVH2)

230 Over the next 6 - 8 weeks expect a large number of mostly very mild cases. Clearly, the vaccines are working. - Dr. Gerrard, Chief Health Officer, Queensland, Australia

Yes, clearly and obviously the vaccines are the foremost reason for this scenario. There is no other natural phenomena that has ever previously occurred with a viral epidemic or pandemic to explain this late stage transition to a more infective viral form that is also much less harmful than the original viral form.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 04, 2022 02:10 PM (4I/2K)

231
In fairness, you're a dentist so I might not rely upon you as a Constitutinal scholar.

The Navy might not be infallible
Posted by: Y5 at January 04, 2022 02:08 PM (KnvZT)

That's fine, but because of where I sit, I know what is going on and the procedures. And Navy and the Military can be very fallible, but what I am telling you are the facts and procedures in place at this moment.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2022 02:11 PM (GPwVZ)

232 But to be very honest, I great many of the religious exemptions are really a crock of shit. Which hurts the few which may be legit. From what I have seen

Then you don't understand religion, and maybe sit this one out because of ignorance.

I don't speak for the nominal Christian, but for those who understand and abide by the Doctrines of Grace: it is well understood that the believer's body is given as a living sacrifice unto the LORD. We shouldn't need to play stupid secular games w/r/t aborted fetal tissue, but the secular government does not have the language to process the concepts of Chrstianity, let alone respect them and body sovereignty.

Now the secularists can give their bodies to whoever they want: the prostitute, the drug lord, their government, employer... whoever.

In effect, we are a Communist country where the State asserts the claim on each and every person under their rule.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 04, 2022 02:11 PM (+LCoQ)

233 Whatever the persons actual beliefs, any religious exemption filed should be automatically approved.
The left made this bed with decades of "MooseLimbs are a peaceful lot, Jesus was a Socialist and I'm a Catholic in good standing even though I support murdering babies."
Religion is whatever you want it to be, who are they to judge?

Posted by: Fool Otto at January 04, 2022 02:12 PM (DB16e)

234 Joe is on with his latest COVID BS.

Posted by: Gref at January 04, 2022 02:12 PM (AMIL/)

235 Would a wireless, subcutaneous vax passport be too much?

Posted by: Uncle Joe at January 04, 2022 02:12 PM (r0ADi)

236 Something about a guy finding a magic lamp and genie. Wishes for a dick that touches the ground.
Posted by: Doof at January 04, 2022 02:10 PM (mZUr4)

Ah.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 04, 2022 02:12 PM (II3Gr)

237 Over the next 6 - 8 weeks expect a large number of mostly very mild cases. Clearly, the vaccines are working. - Dr. Gerrard, Chief Health Officer, Queensland, Australia
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Is this the part where you thank me?

Posted by: Donnie Two Scoops at January 04, 2022 02:13 PM (rx94k)

238 232 Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 04, 2022 02:11 PM (+LCoQ)

This nation which upon founding explicitly and tacitly outlawed religious tests and the government being the clerical referee now contends in court it is in a position to know a citizen's true heart.

It is Kafkaesque.

Posted by: sven at January 04, 2022 02:13 PM (Lzpvj)

239 226- my daughter made the same argument (heard directly from brigade chaplain). But, if the first protects a right of conscience, the chaplain should really be outside the process, otherwise, establishment as noted above- the government is determining, in partnership with organized religion, what is legitimate religion.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at January 04, 2022 02:14 PM (0jQA0)

240 234 Joe is on with his latest COVID BS.
Posted by: Gref at January 04, 2022 02:12 PM (AMIL/)

https://www.whitehouse.gov/live/

Posted by: m at January 04, 2022 02:14 PM (hGIMd)

241 Apparently people are posting on Twitter and FB that their tap water is testing positive for covid.

Fact Check-Home COVID-19 tests were not designed to use water and other liquids, manufacturer says

https://tinyurl.com/2kuetmye

Why are they automatically assuming there is covid in the water and not that the tests are giving false positives?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 04, 2022 02:14 PM (UuD2k)

242 Amanda Makulec,a 35-year-old Washington D.C. woman gloats of being vaccinated, pregnant, breastfeeding; Newborn son dies at 2 1/2 months.. Research also indicates breastfeeding is very dangerous to your newborn if you are vaccinated.
Posted by: SMOD at January 04, 2022 02:07 PM (RHGPo)

That's a shame in the real empathetic sense and the Seinfeld reference sense. I'm conflicted here.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 04, 2022 02:14 PM (4I/2K)

243 "And by the way"

So presidential.

Posted by: m at January 04, 2022 02:14 PM (hGIMd)

244 When you hear "you may be entitled to compensation", know that whatever follows, was once FDA approved.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 04, 2022 02:08 PM

Look up the VA prescribing FDA approved chantrix to combat vets to help them stop smoking and didn't warn them of any mental side effects.

It certainly helped them stop smoking as more than 500 killed themselves in the first year the VA prescribed that stuff. And they are still prescribing that stuff.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at January 04, 2022 02:14 PM (bVYXr)

245 the chaplain should really be outside the process, otherwise, establishment as noted above- the government is determining, in partnership with organized religion, what is legitimate religion

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aren't most chaplains atheists these days?

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 02:14 PM (sX1BW)

246 Squirt 8, at least.
Posted by: Blind Roscoe McGee at January 04, 2022 02:06 PM (8Aixa)

I saw Squirt 8 open for 21 Pilots at the Omni.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at January 04, 2022 02:14 PM (dfRN6)

247 241 Why are they automatically assuming there is covid in the water and not that the tests are giving false positives?
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 04, 2022 02:14 PM (UuD2k)

===========

Because if the test is wrong, then their belief system takes a hit.

The tests cannot be wrong, and if they are wrong then they can only give false negatives.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, Searching with John Ford at January 04, 2022 02:14 PM (LvTSG)

248 227 222 Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2022 02:09 PM (exHjb)

Nice now do beards, and prayer during the work day.

Posted by: sven at January 04, 2022 02:10 PM (Lzpvj)

See, you missed my post where I said we should seize this issue and win it by doing it apolitically and fixing the wrongs done for the last decades, not just now.

But the military would say "military readiness" vs "less impacts to military readiness" and go from there...again, I was military. The vax exemption process was as big or a bigger crock during Anthrax b/c it was way more dangerous for something way less impactful to most military members and ruined tons of lives (both those who got it and those who didn't)...and no one ever gave a sh&t. We could fix all the Gulf War issues and this one in one fell swoop and get 75% support, not 51%...

Posted by: Nova local at January 04, 2022 02:15 PM (exHjb)

249 Interesting stuff from the Nobel Prize inventor of PCR, no? Now here's a highly related bonus video from Dr Mullis. Enjoy:

https://youtu.be/5aISPlTLbJo

Posted by: Biden's Dog

Dr. Mullis was a brilliant scientist, whose opinion on medical matters should be considered much more likely to be accurate than The Fauc's or anyone else in the Medical-Industrial Complex.

Dr. Mullis was also absolutely certain he was captured by aliens and experimented upon by those same space aliens. His opinion on the existence of Little Green Men should be considered questionable.

Posted by: Sharkman at January 04, 2022 02:15 PM (Avnu4)

250 I should point out that what can or should be a religious exemption in the civilian world is not and can not be a religious exemption in the Military.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2022 02:15 PM (GPwVZ)

251 The fact that a waiver process exists seems to indicate DoD accepts the possibility of the necessity of an exemption for a sincerely held religious belief. The fact that one has never been granted demonstrates the process is a farce, designed to suppress genuine first amendment rights.

Well I am far from an expert on this but as I understand it, the military basically takes away all free expression of your rights, and on a case-by-case basis grants you back some, at their whim, since you are essentially a compensated slave.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 02:15 PM (KZzsI)

252 My God, he's a mess! Can't they get someone else to explain his hot mess of guidelines?

Posted by: Mean Tweets at January 04, 2022 02:15 PM (BOJAx)

253 "Unvaccinated are taking up hospital beds."

--the President of the United States of America

Posted by: m at January 04, 2022 02:15 PM (hGIMd)

254 31- Mr. Taylor, you are missing the point.

These genetically modified mRNA shots, along with the J&J adenoviral vector shot are all EXPERIMENTAL, and are NOT vaccines in the usual sense. All 3 of these shots are still only authorized under the EUA. All 3 of these shots were developed using aborted fetal cell lines. Christians have 2 separate religious reasons for rejecting these shots. First, use of aborted fetal cell lines to develop the shots makes one complicit in the mortal sin of abortion - the murder of humans in the fetal stage of the human life cycle. Second, these mandates force the religious person to accept an experimental medical intervention AGAINST THEIR FREE WILL.

The 1st Amendment says government cannot interfere with one's 'free expression' of religious belief. There is no caveat for respiratory viruses nor any other infectious agent. There is also no caveat that says being in the military means you lose your right to free expression of your religion

The government is going full fascist with these mandates, and the state will not tolerate any religion that is not submissive to the power of the state.

Posted by: Pete at January 04, 2022 02:15 PM (gamTF)

255 241 Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 04, 2022 02:14 PM (UuD2k)

People are suspicious at a molecular level that the government is trying to kill them.

Posted by: sven at January 04, 2022 02:15 PM (Lzpvj)

256 And Navy and the Military can be very fallible, but what I am telling you are the facts and procedures in place at this moment.
==
One of which facts is a tranny admiral. Check.

Posted by: in the navy . . . at January 04, 2022 02:16 PM (nY/Y5)

257 Proof there needs to be a hell of a lot more kink shaming in this world.

https://bit.ly/3sXXGyH

Posted by: bonhomme at January 04, 2022 02:16 PM (i0wNm)

258 "This continues to be a pandemic of the unvaccinated."

--the President of the United States

Posted by: m at January 04, 2022 02:16 PM (hGIMd)

259 At least not in the Military. ALL those applying for a religious exemption are required to be interviewed by a chaplin

Reprobates and other garden variety miseotheists should have no authority in any religious domain. To do so shows their manifest rejection of the Founding Fathers ideology and their charter.

If you hate America, then go take over some other country and invent your own bogus and shitty charter.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 04, 2022 02:16 PM (+LCoQ)

260 I can't listen to this shit any longer!

Posted by: Mean Tweets at January 04, 2022 02:16 PM (BOJAx)

261 Regarding Manchin, It could just be the Dems doing their usual let's get our voters hopes up so that they can get more angry when they are denied again thing that they do.

It seems to me that they always want an iron in the fire. Plus it gets the usual cast of raving heads some it's ed's something to rave about for a couple of days it is to try to get the message acrossabout the destruction of "our democracy" or keep "Republicans hate poor people" in the news.

Posted by: Axeman at January 04, 2022 02:16 PM (OaZlZ)

262 Ontario, Canadastan is locking down again.

https://bit.ly/32OWQJY
Posted by: bonhomme at January 04, 2022 02:10 PM (i0wNm)
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My buddy called me last night about that. He's furious and disappointed. I offered to let him come crash with me for a few months of normality, but his folks are in bad shape and he doesn't want to flee. I understand that, it just really sucks.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2022 02:16 PM (DU+/6)

263 "Surround your kids with vaccinated kids."

--the President of the United States

https://www.whitehouse.gov/live/

Posted by: m at January 04, 2022 02:16 PM (hGIMd)

264 251 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 02:15 PM (KZzsI)

Yes within narrow guidelines when needed for national defense....

somehow Muslim service members get their way a lot on a lot of things.

Guess it is nice being the communist's morality pet.

Posted by: sven at January 04, 2022 02:17 PM (Lzpvj)

265 One of which facts is a tranny admiral. Check.
Posted by: in the navy . . . at January 04, 2022 02:16 PM (nY/Y5)

You do know that is the Public Health Service and not the Navy

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2022 02:17 PM (GPwVZ)

266 People are suspicious at a molecular level that the government is trying to kill them.
Posted by: sven at January 04, 2022 02:15 PM (Lzpvj)

Well that's true, but not before they extract whatever value they can get from you.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 04, 2022 02:17 PM (UuD2k)

267 At LEAST the US government will give us a transcript of this patooie.

Posted by: m at January 04, 2022 02:17 PM (hGIMd)

268 The government is going full fascist with these mandates, and the state will not tolerate any religion that is not submissive to the power of the state.
==
Its 99% survivable without a shot. And the shot doesn't keep you from spreading it. Fact and Fact.

Its all about fascist power. Fact.

Posted by: Its going to get a LOT worse. at January 04, 2022 02:17 PM (nY/Y5)

269 Proof there needs to be a hell of a lot more kink shaming in this world.

https://bit.ly/3sXXGyH
Posted by: bonhomme at January 04, 2022 02:16 PM (i0wNm)
++++
I wish I could unsee that. And unhear that. And unknow that.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2022 02:17 PM (DU+/6)

270 Booster cases when they start are going to be interesting. Because the Catholic cooperation with evil doctrine shifts away from taking the booster when there is no realized benefit to weigh against the evil.

It's going to get dicey because it's a personal qualitative judgement.

Posted by: mikethemoose at January 04, 2022 02:18 PM (T/vhV)

271 Today, Joe is again dishing-out big helpings of "Get Vaccinated!" and "The Unvaxxed Will DIE!" fear porn.

Posted by: Gref at January 04, 2022 02:18 PM (AMIL/)

272 Today's military allows all kind of crap that would never have been allowed during Vietnam, when the mental/moral/physical standards were lowered to gain bodies. Yet today they want to punish patriots. I can't even.

Posted by: Eromero at January 04, 2022 02:18 PM (0OP+5)

273 If you hate America, then go take over some other country and invent your own bogus and shitty charter.
Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 04, 2022 02:16 PM (+LCoQ)

You can insult me all you want. All I am doing is relating the current and accurate procedures that are in place today.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2022 02:18 PM (GPwVZ)

274 "Unvaccinated are taking up hospital beds."

--the President of the United States of America

How is that possible when I see reports that the unvaxxed are being turned away at hospitals?

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at January 04, 2022 02:18 PM (SchxB)

275 There is also no caveat that says being in the military means you lose your right to free expression of your religion

I agree as far as I understand the constitution, but the military has always been a huge exception for national security. Since case law has repeatedly and clearly stated this, any recent decision which opposes established decisions is not likely to survive legal challenge.

Note: I am not stating what I believe or agree with here, just how things are and how things are likely to go. As I understand the law and procedure of courts, this looks like a weak argument to me.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 02:18 PM (KZzsI)

276 271 Today, Joe is again dishing-out big helpings of "Get Vaccinated!" and "The Unvaxxed Will DIE!" fear porn.
Posted by: Gref at January 04, 2022 02:18 PM (AMIL/)

Can't fap to it. Zero stars, wouldn't watch again.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 04, 2022 02:18 PM (II3Gr)

277 Proof there needs to be a hell of a lot more kink shaming in this world.

https://bit.ly/3sXXGyH
Posted by: bonhomme at January 04, 2022 02:16 PM (i0wNm)

Ah yes, Japan's Divorce Court.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 04, 2022 02:18 PM (4I/2K)

278 Today, Joe is again dishing-out big helpings of "Get Vaccinated!" and "The Unvaxxed Will DIE!" fear porn.
Posted by: Gref at January 04, 2022 02:18 PM (AMIL/)
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So the handlers for this one were the same as the handlers for the Dark Winter of COVID speech before Christmas, but different from the handlers giving him other information that led to "no federal solution."

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2022 02:19 PM (DU+/6)

279 Like the FDA has never approved a harmful drug before.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 04, 2022 01:46 PM (Y5qcH)

Or held back a helpful drug. I'm sure that has gotten lots of people killed.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at January 04, 2022 02:19 PM (44ww/)

280 People are suspicious at a molecular level that the government is trying to kill them.

And for good reason. In the past century alone, I struggle to find any action by local, state or federal government that seeks to augment human flourishing. To the contrary every action is purposely designed to cripple, impede, criminalize, maim and steal from every honest human endeavor.

Now they are just going straight to killing people for fun and profit.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 04, 2022 02:19 PM (+LCoQ)

281 This is no different from Democrat bullshit with gun permits in years past, where they 'evaluate' requests for months before rejecting 100% of them.

Democrats think that they can just ignore the law whenever it suits them, and the RINOs do fucking nothing about it.

Posted by: DudeAbiding at January 04, 2022 02:19 PM (setIA)

282 271 Today, Joe is again dishing-out big helpings of "Get Vaccinated!" and "The Unvaxxed Will DIE!" fear porn.
Posted by: Gref at January 04, 2022 02:18 PM (AMIL/)

Also the Unvaccinated are Going to Kill You!

Posted by: m at January 04, 2022 02:19 PM (hGIMd)

283 I agree as far as I understand the constitution, but the military has always been a huge exception for national security. Since case law has repeatedly and clearly stated this, any recent decision which opposes established decisions is not likely to survive legal challenge.

Note: I am not stating what I believe or agree with here, just how things are and how things are likely to go. As I understand the law and procedure of courts, this looks like a weak argument to me.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 02:18 PM (KZzsI)

Exactly

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2022 02:19 PM (GPwVZ)

284 Apparently the adults in charge at the Virginia department of transportation decided what everyone stranded on i-95 today in a blizzard needed was a tweet quoting lyrics from a Cake song released back in 1996.

And no, I'm not kidding...

Posted by: Azathoth at January 04, 2022 02:20 PM (W3VUu)

285 > Can't fap to it. Zero stars, wouldn't watch again.

Check out my last link.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 04, 2022 02:20 PM (i0wNm)

286 Any and all exemptions to vax policies should be given for no other reason than "I don't want to get it." Period. No one should have to prove anything in order to get an exemption. Hell, there should be no mandates whatsoever on this shit, but here we are, arguing that one's beliefs are subject to another's.

Posted by: soulpile at January 04, 2022 02:20 PM (hiX0r)

287 One of which facts is a tranny admiral. Check.
Posted by: in the navy . . . at January 04, 2022 02:16 PM (nY/Y5)

You do know that is the Public Health Service and not the Navy
==
Admiral, thus the confusion. How does the public health service have an admiral, without ships, that was not in the navy?

Posted by: its a bit of a head scratcher that, at least to a civilian at January 04, 2022 02:20 PM (0zB4+)

288 So the handlers for this one were the same as the handlers for the Dark Winter of COVID speech before Christmas, but different from the handlers giving him other information that led to "no federal solution."
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2022 02:19 PM

Sometimes you have to switch hands.

Posted by: Jeffrey Toobin at January 04, 2022 02:20 PM (a3Q+t)

289 I don't give a f** what Fauci says. The is the worst possible reason to try to convince me to get vaxed.

Posted by: Ripley at January 04, 2022 02:20 PM (MxEKc)

290 This place is just straight up nutty today.

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 04, 2022 02:20 PM (6FeV1)

291 Meanwhile at Tepid Err, you can hear "fap fap fap" coming from AP's microphone by joining the Slay'em Media VIP room.....

Posted by: sven at January 04, 2022 02:20 PM (Lzpvj)

292 Also the Unvaccinated are Going to Kill You!

So that's who's been buying all the guns.

Posted by: Blanco Basura - moronhorde.com. Not insurgents, counterrevolutionaries. at January 04, 2022 02:20 PM (SchxB)

293 "Google Covid test near me."

--the President of the United States

Posted by: m at January 04, 2022 02:20 PM (hGIMd)

294 I came back positive for COVID-19 on Saturday and I had 3 shots of Morderna. It felt likes the flu but lasting much longer, hopefully the worst is over.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 04, 2022 02:21 PM (Yo4TX)

295 Hypothetical: If some nut goes on a shooting spree against the unvaccinated, will the media blame Biden for his rhetoric?

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 04, 2022 02:21 PM (UuD2k)

296 You can insult me all you want. All I am doing is relating the current and accurate procedures that are in place today.

--------------

You are. And in an ideal world, we'd have a world where the military did have broad leeway where true religious objections were honored so long as it did not affect military readiness and ability to fight. However, we have not lived in that ideal world for a long time. Legally, I would expect the Navy to ultimately win out. But it is worth the fight and to use bad precedent for our own purposes. Fight on seals!

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 02:21 PM (sX1BW)

297 Look! I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts!

Posted by: Uncle Joe at January 04, 2022 02:21 PM (r0ADi)

298 Just find out where they are! Simple!

Posted by: Mean Tweets at January 04, 2022 02:21 PM (BOJAx)

299 Apparently the adults in charge at the Virginia department of transportation decided what everyone stranded on i-95 today in a blizzard needed was a tweet quoting lyrics from a Cake song released back in 1996.

And no, I'm not kidding...
Posted by: Azathoth at January 04, 2022 02:20 PM (W3VUu)
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Was it a good one, at least? That would have probably been Fashion Nugget, and there were a number of good tracks. Three of them were even car-related, although all three of those would be wildly inappropriate in this context.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2022 02:21 PM (DU+/6)

300 "Apparently the adults in charge at the Virginia department of transportation decided what everyone stranded on i-95 today in a blizzard needed was a tweet quoting lyrics from a Cake song released back in 1996.

And no, I'm not kidding...

Posted by: Azathoth"

What, no James Taylor song?

Posted by: Ripley at January 04, 2022 02:21 PM (MxEKc)

301 283 Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2022 02:19 PM (GPwVZ)

Now sir, explain why Habib J Camelshagger gets over on a panoply of religious exemption requests...

Posted by: sven at January 04, 2022 02:22 PM (Lzpvj)

302 I agree as far as I understand the constitution, but the military has always been a huge exception for national security.

Except the military, for at least the past seventy years has nothing to do with real national security. When some castrated general claims that "Climate Change" is a matter of National Security, then there is no definition of "National Security" it is a wax nose, and it is obvious that "National Security" is just a marketing brand name for whatever grift, rent seeking or social engineering that the MIC has their minds on.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 04, 2022 02:22 PM (+LCoQ)

303 Check out my last link.
Posted by: bonhomme at January 04, 2022 02:20 PM (i0wNm)

My God. Japan - nuked too much or not enough?

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw. Hoarder. Wrecker. at January 04, 2022 02:22 PM (II3Gr)

304 290 This place is just straight up nutty today.
Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 04, 2022 02:20 PM (6FeV1)

Wait'll you see THIS:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/live/

Posted by: m at January 04, 2022 02:22 PM (hGIMd)

305 Yes!!!!

Posted by: Pfizer at January 04, 2022 02:22 PM (BOJAx)

306 The Distance.

Posted by: Azathoth at January 04, 2022 02:23 PM (W3VUu)

307 Apparently the adults in charge at the Virginia department of transportation decided what everyone stranded on i-95 today in a blizzard needed was a tweet quoting lyrics from a Cake song released back in 1996.

And no, I'm not kidding...

Posted by: Azathoth"

What, no James Taylor song?
Posted by: Ripley at January 04, 2022 02:21 PM (MxEKc)

What, no Wilson Phillips song 'Hold On For One More Day'??

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 04, 2022 02:23 PM (4I/2K)

308 What, no James Taylor song?

-------------

There was a mix up on the communication from the stranded who said they need fire and rain.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 02:23 PM (sX1BW)

309 Jesus biden is just babbeling inchoherntly

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2022 02:23 PM (GPwVZ)

310 296 Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 02:21 PM (sX1BW)

The Seals and all people of whatever faith and stripe should fight to be at least equal to the Jihadist morality pets in getting patted on the head by command.

Posted by: sven at January 04, 2022 02:23 PM (Lzpvj)

311 "There Is No Military Exclusion for the Constitution"

And yet involuntary servitude via the draft remains constitutional.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) reminds you at January 04, 2022 02:23 PM (yQpMk)

312 Sometimes you have to switch hands.

https://youtu.be/E5ofVsxTPoc

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 02:23 PM (KZzsI)

313 What, no James Taylor song?
Posted by: Ripley at January 04, 2022 02:21 PM (MxEKc)

White Lines by Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at January 04, 2022 02:23 PM (UuD2k)

314 >>> inchoherntly

heh

Posted by: m at January 04, 2022 02:23 PM (hGIMd)

315 The Distance.
Posted by: Azathoth at January 04, 2022 02:23 PM (W3VUu)
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Figures. They picked the worst one possible to quote on a day that they fucked up really catastrophically and have left a major highway artery closed.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2022 02:23 PM (DU+/6)

316 Drivers stranded on I-95 would be a good opportunity to send out mobile medical units to get them vaxed.

Posted by: Ripley at January 04, 2022 02:24 PM (MxEKc)

317 Department Of War > Department Of Defense

Posted by: When Men Were Men at January 04, 2022 02:24 PM (w9H27)

318 Governor 18-1 would have immediately mandated a "pork for all prisoners" mandate. Let the courts either have to let the government do whatever the hell it wants, blatantly and obviously, or make them say my mandate is overbearing whereas Brandon's is fine.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 04, 2022 02:24 PM (ESjRY)

319 Sometimes you have to switch hands.

https://youtu.be/E5ofVsxTPoc
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 02:23 PM (KZzsI)

I get this reference. Clever!

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 04, 2022 02:24 PM (4I/2K)

320 Where's the camera?

Posted by: m at January 04, 2022 02:24 PM (hGIMd)

321 When you hear "you may be entitled to compensation", know that whatever follows, was once FDA approved.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 04, 2022 02:08 PM (uXonU)
-----------------

I totally believe ambulanche-chasing shysters' views on pharmaceutical safety. Would someone like John Edwards lie to extract money from others?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 04, 2022 02:24 PM (YqDXo)

322 How can he sit there while they throw questions at him and he just sits there like a retard?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2022 02:24 PM (GPwVZ)

323 "Google Covid test near me."

--the President of the United States

Might as well include the disclaimer: "This 'President' brought to you by Google"

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 04, 2022 02:25 PM (+LCoQ)

324 Wait'll you see THIS:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/live/
Posted by: m at January 04, 2022 02:22 PM (hGIMd)

I said "nutty", not "completely non compos mentis"

Posted by: Warai-otoko at January 04, 2022 02:25 PM (6FeV1)

325 NO QUESTIONS.

Posted by: m at January 04, 2022 02:25 PM (hGIMd)

326 287 One of which facts is a tranny admiral. Check.
Posted by: in the navy . . . at January 04, 2022 02:16 PM (nY/Y5)
You do know that is the Public Health Service and not the Navy
==
Admiral, thus the confusion. How does the public health service have an admiral, without ships, that was not in the navy?
Posted by: its a bit of a head scratcher that, at least to a civilian at January 04, 2022 02:20 PM (0zB4+)
I bet my fleet of 4 canoes and 3 kayaks rates me girthier braid.

Posted by: Eromero at January 04, 2022 02:25 PM (0OP+5)

327 **poof** and his legs were gone.

Just the Punch Line.
Posted by: Paladin at January 04, 2022 01:54 PM (CE4w9)

That's the punchline to a great joke, for sure!
Posted by: Doof at January 04, 2022 02:04 PM (mZUr4)

What's the joke?

It involves a Genii and having one wish...

Posted by: Paladin at January 04, 2022 02:25 PM (CE4w9)

328 322 How can he sit there while they throw questions at him and he just sits there like a retard?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2022 02:24 PM (GPwVZ)

It worked, didn't it?

Posted by: m at January 04, 2022 02:25 PM (hGIMd)

329 nood

fauchi and the explanations.

sounds like the name of some NYC tribute band...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at January 04, 2022 02:25 PM (8D42x)

330 It worked, didn't it?
Posted by: m at January 04, 2022 02:25 PM (hGIMd)

Ya got a point there

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2022 02:26 PM (GPwVZ)

331
One of which facts is a tranny admiral. Check.
Posted by: in the navy . . . at January 04, 2022 02:16 PM (nY/Y5)

You do know that is the Public Health Service and not the Navy

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 04, 2022 02:17 PM

Come on, man. Don't be bursting peoples bubbles. Or down that slippery slope and you'll be telling us that Village People didn't have Indians, construction workers, Cowboys, and Navy people.

Posted by: Joe Biden at January 04, 2022 02:26 PM (dQvv7)

332 I read this ruling yesterday.

All of the ruling being handed down in all of these cases are very similar in his they are judged.

It will be hard for SCOTUS to overturn these injunctions because the rulings are deeply tired to ruling this SCOTUS has made recently.

Fun fact,the first page of this ruling quotes George Washington.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at January 04, 2022 02:26 PM (bp5Pw)

333 "Google Covid test near me."

--the President of the United States

---------------

Just don't google what the 45th President of the US has to say.

Posted by: SH (Overturn Roe) at January 04, 2022 02:26 PM (sX1BW)

334 There's a new thread.

Posted by: m at January 04, 2022 02:26 PM (hGIMd)

335 I don't mean to put too fine a point on it, but, CRT, if (and facts demonstrate this is the case) DoD accepts, in the provision of vaccines, that there exists the possibility of a first amendment exception, then your argument (they don't have this right) is incorrect. Therefore, once the DoD grants that this right does in fact exist, the fact that the process is a farce indicates a knowing conspiracy to deprive service members of their established right. They'd be better off stating "you, service member, voluntary abrogated this right upon enlistment/commissioning" then to set up a farcical process.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at January 04, 2022 02:26 PM (0jQA0)

336 Barnes covered this last night and said it was a major league STFU and GTFO for Brandon. Is turnip brain a lawyer? If so he is just as dumb at that as every other fucking thing.

Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at January 04, 2022 02:27 PM (y7DUB)

337 And yet involuntary servitude via the draft remains constitutional.

I wonder how the courts would rule on a Vaxx Mandate leveled against conscripts.

Posted by: Reuben Hick at January 04, 2022 02:27 PM (+LCoQ)

338 Old and Busted: Committing the mentally ill against their will was wrong...even if they are shitting on the streets and shooting up with meth all day now.

New Hotness: Jabbing people against their will is really kind sexually hot. Oh and good for you, very very good for you. And really if you don't want me to put my mRNA goodness into you, you must be some kind of freak right?

Posted by: 18-1 at January 04, 2022 02:27 PM (ESjRY)

339 Look, the Dems can't do anything legit about the Electoral College. But they can rile up their base about it. And they can get them spouting about how it's "racist", and associating Constitutional conservatism with "racism". Plus all those raving head hours each time a wave of buzz crests enough.

Do why would Schumer was to lie to the Dems suggesting that Manchin is closer than he is?

Literally, to disappoint them.

Posted by: Axeman at January 04, 2022 02:27 PM (OaZlZ)

340 "Unvaccinated are taking up hospital beds."

--the President of the United States of America

Um, a compassionate governing class, let alone a compassionate society, would see that as easing the suffering of the sick rather than scapegoating a class of citizens as the villains in some bizarre medico-morality play.

Posted by: Hands at January 04, 2022 02:27 PM (786Ro)

341 Admiral, thus the confusion. How does the public health service have an admiral, without ships, that was not in the navy?
Posted by: its a bit of a head scratcher that, at least to a civilian at January 04, 2022 02:20 PM (0zB4+)
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He's an admiral of the windward passage.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 04, 2022 02:27 PM (YqDXo)

342 315 The Distance.
Posted by: Azathoth at January 04, 2022 02:23 PM (W3VUu)
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Figures. They picked the worst one possible to quote on a day that they fucked up really catastrophically and have left a major highway artery closed.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at January 04, 2022 02:23 PM (DU+/6)

Well, at least it wasn't Long Line of Cars...

Posted by: soulpile at January 04, 2022 02:28 PM (hiX0r)

343 When someone states that "Fauci says..." I'd estimate that 60% of the country now rolls their eyes and says, "Bleep that guy."
And that number's going up. But yes, keep bleeping that chicken, Biden.

Posted by: Wally at January 04, 2022 02:28 PM (FJYfm)

344 There's a new thread.

What is this hoity toity talk? What's next, you going to go play the GRANDE PIANO??

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at January 04, 2022 02:28 PM (KZzsI)

345 I totally believe ambulanche-chasing shysters' views on pharmaceutical safety. Would someone like John Edwards lie to extract money from others?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

On average, about 4,500 drugs and devices are pulled from U.S. shelves each year. The recalled products have U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval and in many cases, are widely ingested, injected or implanted before being recalled.

https://www.drugwatch.com/fda/recalls/

Posted by: rickb223 at January 04, 2022 02:28 PM (uXonU)

346 Can the military require a Buddhist or Unitarian congregant service member get an abortion for good order and discipline?

Posted by: Farmer Bob at January 04, 2022 02:28 PM (0jQA0)

347 "Unvaccinated are taking up hospital beds..."

--the President of the United States of America
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"... that could be used for dementia patients."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 04, 2022 02:28 PM (YqDXo)

348 okay so the public health service commission core started out with the merchant marine in the 1800s or something?

I guess that's how you get an admiral rating. That the usual requirement of having a certain level of flexibility.

Posted by: its a bit of a head scratcher that, at least to a civilian at January 04, 2022 02:30 PM (t4+ad)

349 271 Today, Joe is again dishing-out big helpings of "Get Vaccinated!" and "The Unvaxxed Will DIE!" fear porn.
Posted by: Gref at January 04, 2022 02:18 PM (AMIL/)

When you can't even get President Ron Burgundy to stay on script to get us off the FEARCOVID nonsense, you know that the Deep State isn't going to be able to change the current narrative anytime soon.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at January 04, 2022 02:33 PM (mdjgu)

350 Nood

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at January 04, 2022 02:34 PM (YqDXo)

351 I don't mean to put too fine a point on it, but, CRT, if (and facts demonstrate this is the case) DoD accepts, in the provision of vaccines, that there exists the possibility of a first amendment exception, then your argument (they don't have this right) is incorrect. Therefore, once the DoD grants that this right does in fact exist, the fact that the process is a farce indicates a knowing conspiracy to deprive service members of their established right. They'd be better off stating "you, service member, voluntary abrogated this right upon enlistment/commissioning" then to set up a farcical process.
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Right. This is basically the thinking of the Fed District Court Judge. (But Its going to be overturned, not because its wrong, but because it isn't.)

They have the right to object. Not contested. That is why there is a process. The process is a farce and being automatically rejected without consideration. Its an open and shut situation.

Posted by: Yes. well done. Normally you need to be ruined by law school before you can think like a judge at January 04, 2022 02:35 PM (TneSj)

352 You do know that is the Public Health Service and not the Navy
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Admiral, thus the confusion. How does the public health service have an admiral, without ships, that was not in the navy?

Posted by: its a bit of a head scratcher that, at least to a civilian at January 04, 2022 02:20 PM

I was dead in the middle of rural West Virginia traveling through to Kentucky and stopped to get gas and out walks a US Navy Lieutenant in Summer White uniform. I stopped her and asked her what the hell was a US Navy Lieutenant doing in the middle of Appalachia. She said nope, not Navy she was in the US Public Health Service and that was her uniform.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at January 04, 2022 02:37 PM (bVYXr)

353 If you are a career mercenary in a standing army, you aren't "defending the Constitution".

You are, in fact, the oppressors stopping the rest of us from defending it. Please fuck off.

Posted by: insurgens ad opus at January 04, 2022 03:18 PM (llLGG)

354 An expression that has always puzzled me. If one has a dick which can be stepped on by one's self -- wouldn't THAT in and of itself be noteworthy enough???
Posted by: Doof at January 04, 2022 01:30 PM (mZUr4)
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Stepping on your own dick is euphemism for doing something unbelievably stupid or clumsy, since no actual human can preform that act. For example; pResident Joe Bidet stepped on his own dick when he agreed with "Lets go Brandon".

Posted by: An Observation sez China Joe not my president at January 04, 2022 03:22 PM (ZEHVO)

355 THE THIRD ADMENDMENT!!!

Posted by: Karen Alphallpha at January 04, 2022 03:39 PM (HyD1b)

356 294 - Impossible. I've been told by the FDA and CDC that the vaccines are both safe and effective.

Posted by: Dr. Titanium Whitey, J.D. at January 04, 2022 04:24 PM (i6shs)

357 While in the Marines for four years I was told by Officers and heard Marines being told by Officers that, "Marines, you have no rights in the Marines."
The Bill of Rights does not exist for Military personnel and the only rights are those in the Uniform Code of Military Justice. UCMJ which come in to play if you get Court Martialed.
The Constitution doesn't exist for those who defend it.

Posted by: obsidian at January 05, 2022 10:52 AM (XxmZg)

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