Kyrsten Sinema: "No" on Democrats' Hot New Plan (Same As Their Old Plan) Of Ending the Filibuster to Pass a Federal Bolshevikization of State Voting Laws

Phew.

Yesterday's news that Democrats were pressuring Manchin to allow them to suspend the filibuster rules just for one vote -- a vote that would trump all other votes; one ring to rule all the other rings and in the darkness to bind them -- made me wonder if Sinema were already on board and that Manchin was the only obstacle remaining.

But no. As Yoda said: "There is another."

At Politico, The Garbage DC Site By Garbage DC People For Garbage DC People (TM):

Kyrsten Sinema supports the elections reform bill that Democrats are considering a year-end push to pass. She doesn't support a shortcut around the filibuster to get it done.
The Arizona moderate is making clear that she intends to keep protecting the Senate's 60-vote requirement on most legislation and she isn’t ready to entertain changing rules to pass sweeping elections or voting legislation with a simple majority.
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In a statement to POLITICO, a spokesperson said that Sinema "continues to support the Senate's 60-vote threshold, to protect the country from repeated radical reversals in federal policy which would cement uncertainty, deepen divisions, and further erode Americans' confidence in our government." Since joining the Senate in 2019, Sinema's been a fierce defender of the filibuster and warned that reversing it could lead to terrible outcomes for Democrats down the line.

Well, obviously, once you set the precedent that you can suspend the filibuster for any bill you deem "very important," a lot of bills will be deemed "very important."

Though, honestly, I don't know if the GOP will do this very often. They're cowards and most of them are liberals anyway, who collude with the Democrats to make sure liberal policy preferences always prevail, while they pretend to oppose them.

And every time they collude to engineer a Democrat victory, they immediately send you fundraising letters that say "By gum, we were outfoxed again! Gee willickers how does this keep on happening?! Please send us $100 so that we can buy better Brain Medicine so that the next time we will be better prepared to Fight For You."

Sinema says she supports the "voting rights" bills on the merits. Which worries me, but for now, I'm reassured.

Posted by: Ace at 02:41 PM

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1 This is why Romney not bailing them out was important.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 16, 2021 02:40 PM (LvTSG)

2 Frist?

Posted by: flounder at December 16, 2021 02:40 PM (SH2Zi)

3 I think Sinema isn't terrible. She probably knows she's in a red state, and wants to keep her job, so she goes moderate on the left's lunatic ideas.

Honestly, if she continues shutting down the left, I'd be fine with that.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 16, 2021 02:42 PM (XSRBF)

4 Thanks, Sinema!

>>Sinema says she supports the "voting rights" bills on the merits. Which worries me,

Yeah, still a Lefty. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at December 16, 2021 02:42 PM (URNdm)

5 This is failure theater for their base.

"With a truly progressive Congress, we can secure voting rights for all illegal immigrants in 2023! Donate today! 15x matching through Friday! You will die if you don't donate at least $5!"

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 16, 2021 02:42 PM (LvTSG)

6 1 This is why Romney not bailing them out was important.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 16, 2021 02:40 PM (LvTSG)

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I'm not up to speed on the votes. What does this mean?

Posted by: Seems Legit at December 16, 2021 02:42 PM (DcKNO)

7 And honestly, she's better than most GOP senators, because GOP senators are further left than she is.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 16, 2021 02:43 PM (XSRBF)

8 3 I think Sinema isn't terrible. She probably knows she's in a red state, and wants to keep her job, so she goes moderate on the left's lunatic ideas.

Honestly, if she continues shutting down the left, I'd be fine with that.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 16, 2021 02:42 PM (XSRBF)

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There's a non-zero chance that she loses her next Democratic primary because the Democratic base has gone fucking insane.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 16, 2021 02:43 PM (LvTSG)

9 >> I think Sinema isn't terrible. She probably knows she's in a red state, and wants to keep her job, so she goes moderate on the left's lunatic ideas.

And where is the other AZ Senator on these issues, the astronaut dude? Apparently, he feels safe.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 16, 2021 02:43 PM (URNdm)

10 Kyrsten Sinema: "No" on Democrats' Hot New Plan (Same As Their Old Plan) Of Ending the Filibuster to Pass a Federal Bolshevikization of State Voting Laws
Ace
Phew.

Sounds dreamy to us!

Posted by: Romney, Murkowski, Snowe, Zombie McCain at December 16, 2021 02:43 PM (JCZqz)

11
Wow. Of every politician, judge or other bureaucrat who emerged on the scene in the last two years, the last one I ever thought would actually be sane would have been Senatrix Kinky Boots.

Actually, the Tity Caca Jew-Haters brigade was last. But you get my point.

Let her not cave.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 16, 2021 02:43 PM (SuplV)

12 Top 10?

Posted by: Greyman27 at December 16, 2021 02:43 PM (RKLPC)

13 i want to get in an argument with her just so she'll beat me with her left tiddy.

but thank god she's relatively sensible. the question is, and i haven't really checked, but is she more conservative than "maverick" ever was?

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at December 16, 2021 02:43 PM (8D42x)

14 Nope...

Posted by: Greyman27 at December 16, 2021 02:44 PM (RKLPC)

15 >>>There's a non-zero chance that she loses her next Democratic primary because the Democratic base has gone fucking insane.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war

Also correct. I'm sure every Democrat despises her.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 16, 2021 02:44 PM (XSRBF)

16 Of course you can count on GOPe to be cowards.

Right up until it becomes lucrative for them to have spines.

So in other words, don't count on them whatsoever.

Posted by: Just Lily at December 16, 2021 02:44 PM (NzqWp)

17 6 1 This is why Romney not bailing them out was important.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 16, 2021 02:40 PM (LvTSG)

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I'm not up to speed on the votes. What does this mean?
Posted by: Seems Legit at December 16, 2021 02:42 PM (DcKNO)

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There's no vote yet. I asserted yesterday that no Republican would vote for it, and I was assured that no Republican was necessary for the passage since Democrats could do 50 with Kamala breaking the tie.

No Republican will vote for this, meaning they need all 50 Democratic Senators, and Sinema is saying no.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 16, 2021 02:44 PM (LvTSG)

18 I'm not reassured, I would not be surprised if there is some kind of deal about Dem Senate leadership will bail on the BBB if they can get support for the Permanent Voting Fraud bill. The way the Dems think, gaining permanent power now by legalizing mail in voting fraud means they can pass as many BBB gazillion trillion bills after they achieve one party rule. Dems took the hit in 2010 to get their Obamacare rule, betting it would never be overturned. Who was right on that bet?

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at December 16, 2021 02:44 PM (GZ/yK)

19 You say Sinema. I say cinema.

Posted by: Just sayin' at December 16, 2021 02:45 PM (GyN/b)

20 And every time they collude to engineer a Democrat victory, they immediately send you fundraising letters that say "By gum, we were outfoxed again! Gee willickers how does this keep on happening?! Please send us $100 so that we can buy better Brain Medicine so that the next time we will be better prepared to Fight For You."

At the risk of sounding PollyAnna-ish, I think this is a decreasingly effective strategy for them. People who would have donated in the past have caught on to the game.

Posted by: pep at December 16, 2021 02:45 PM (ZsR3z)

21 They're cowards and most of them are liberals anyway, who collude with the Democrats to make sure liberal policy preferences always prevail, while they pretend to "fight for you."

And yet a lot of people are ready and willing to reward those grifting nickelfuckers with control of the house and senate after four years of stabbing Trump in the back and a year cowering before Stinkfinger's loaded diaper.

As someone mentioned on a thread yesterday, the GOP is a lot smarter than their voters. The voters say, "fuck you, you betrayed Trump! No more votes for you!" The GOP pats the base's head and coos, "You throw your tantrum, little one, and I'll see you in November."

And what happens in November? The base screams, "Red Wave, baby!"

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 16, 2021 02:45 PM (2JVJo)

22 9 And where is the other AZ Senator on these issues, the astronaut dude? Apparently, he feels safe.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 16, 2021 02:43 PM (URNdm)

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She and Manchin are designed to take all of the progressive heat right now, mostly Manchin. They're shielding about 5 other senators like Kelly and Tester who wouldn't probably vote against this stuff anyway.

They are the scapegoats.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 16, 2021 02:45 PM (LvTSG)

23 >>>And where is the other AZ Senator on these issues, the astronaut dude? Apparently, he feels safe.

Posted by: Lizzy

I'd like to see him ousted, because he\s a complete douche, but AZ rarely has good candidates come up for the senate.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 16, 2021 02:45 PM (XSRBF)

24 This thread deserves a pic. SFW.

https://tinyurl.com/2p83uxpx

Posted by: flounder at December 16, 2021 02:45 PM (SH2Zi)

25 Sinema says she supports the "voting rights" bills on the merits. Which worries me, but for now, I'm reassured.

She knows how to play those eunuchs. It's pretty funny to watch.

Posted by: Captain Hate won't forget Michael Byrd Murdered Ashli Babbitt at December 16, 2021 02:45 PM (y7DUB)

26 What Sinema may be worrying is that the election bill will definitely be held up by court challenges and may not go into effect until after the 2022 elections at the earliest. Thus, if the Republicans win in 2022 both branches, the minority in the Senate will be neutered by violating the sacrosanct filibuster which would neuter her as well.

So, throw the sop of supporting it in principle but keeping her options open is the best play for now.

Posted by: whig at December 16, 2021 02:45 PM (9hXN1)

27 >>>his thread deserves a pic. SFW.

https://tinyurl.com/2p83uxpx

Posted by: flounder

The a/c was set to full blast, i see.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 16, 2021 02:46 PM (XSRBF)

28 I will say, GOP used the "new" filibuster rules to get a lot of judges through.

There's no question the filibuster is gone, just a question of who gets to benefit "first" getting rid of it. We Know McConnell won't have the balls to get rid of it first.

I will say, I've always thought the filibuster was unconstitutional. Long term, Republicans should have a majority there. Far more Red States than Blue States.

Posted by: Blago at December 16, 2021 02:46 PM (FWyGR)

29 Sinema will ultimately do what's in her best interests and provides the highest amount of grift.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 16, 2021 02:46 PM (BFigT)

30 ... Sinema "continues to support the Senate's 60-vote threshold, to protect the country from repeated radical reversals in federal policy which would cement uncertainty, deepen divisions, and further erode Americans' confidence in our government."

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A little too little and a lot too late, but even at the heights (or the depths?) of cynicism: I'll take it ... if only for a day.

Posted by: ShainS -- Let's Poop Brandon! at December 16, 2021 02:46 PM (cnnw/)

31

Lick, er, like my boots!

Posted by: Sin Enema at December 16, 2021 02:46 PM (ffb+r)

32 I was promised "Senator Sex Boots". Where's the pix?

Posted by: t-bird at December 16, 2021 02:46 PM (W66RU)

33 And where is the other AZ Senator on these issues, the astronaut dude? Apparently, he feels safe.
Posted by: Lizzy
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No, Kelly has to run for re-election here in 2022, and lately the numbers are not looking good for him.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at December 16, 2021 02:46 PM (k4dH2)

34 "Well, obviously, once you set the precedent that you can suspend the filibuster for any bill you deem "very important," a lot of bills will be deemed "very important." "

You mean like, once you allow a governor to just make up mandates due to an "emergency," that everything becomes an emergency? You're lying!

Posted by: Wally at December 16, 2021 02:46 PM (FJYfm)

35 >>And honestly, she's better than most GOP senators, because GOP senators are further left than she is.

"We resent that remark!"
-- Romney, Murkowski, Sasse, Collins, Thune. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at December 16, 2021 02:47 PM (URNdm)

36 Ace loves it when Kyrsten says, "No."

Posted by: m at December 16, 2021 02:47 PM (7NTue)

37 She says that today. We'll see.

Posted by: Ordinary American at December 16, 2021 02:48 PM (H8QX8)

38 More balls than McConnell. Better than Collins.

Posted by: Mr Gaga at December 16, 2021 02:48 PM (gr+lW)

39 36 Ace loves it when Kyrsten says, "No."
Posted by: m at December 16, 2021 02:47 PM (7NTue)

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I think that's what ZOD likes, too.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 16, 2021 02:48 PM (LvTSG)

40 And where is the other AZ Senator on these issues, the astronaut dude? Apparently, he feels safe.
Posted by: Lizzy
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No, Kelly has to run for re-election here in 2022, and lately the numbers are not looking good for him.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer

I think the Republican Mark Brnovich is going to beat Kelly in AZ.

I also think Keri Lake is going to be the next Governor.

Posted by: Blago at December 16, 2021 02:48 PM (FWyGR)

41 >>No, Kelly has to run for re-election here in 2022, and lately the numbers are not looking good for him.

Oh, good! Now if they can just manage to not nominate losingest loser McSally once again. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at December 16, 2021 02:48 PM (URNdm)

42 Dems took the hit in 2010 to get their Obamacare rule, betting it would never be overturned. Who was right on that bet?

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp

They had Obama to blunt criticism plus 60 votes in the Senate, (soon to be 59) and about 40 or so surplus of votes in the House.

They actually thought that Obamacare would be popular like Medicare at the time--not that it was a sacrifice of their majorities.

Posted by: whig at December 16, 2021 02:48 PM (9hXN1)

43 Sinema knows that the Dems are likely to end up in the minority in thirteen months and isn't stupid. I suspect that other Dems know this as well and are quietly backing her.

Plus, I suspect that she's playing the long game: there's going to be an opening for leadership among Senate Dems once Schumer is gone. She's positioning herself as the sane choice.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at December 16, 2021 02:48 PM (wmDcS)

44 $100 says Jeff Flake would have voted for the bill. So now there are 2 democrat senators. The donks only need two republican turncoats.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at December 16, 2021 02:48 PM (iDcra)

45 Kyrsten Sinema has principles. I hope she is able to keep them in that cesspool we call Washington DC.

If even a quarter of the Republicans and Democrats were as brave as her, this nation would be a much better place.

Posted by: rd at December 16, 2021 02:48 PM (Z32m1)

46 Not really principle on the part of the GOP here. Republican senators absolutely don't want their elections to resemble Trump's, which they insist was super totally fair.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 16, 2021 02:48 PM (QU5/8)

47 9 And where is the other AZ Senator on these issues, the astronaut dude? Apparently, he feels safe.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 16, 2021 02:43 PM (URNdm)

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Knockoff Lex Luthor likes to remain in the shadows. As long as Sinema takes the heat, he cowers offscreen.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at December 16, 2021 02:48 PM (TNyrE)

48 My comment to a co-worker was "She rejected her party's 'Just the tip.'"

Posted by: NaughtyPine at December 16, 2021 02:48 PM (fxCK2)

49 Sinema is a drama queen. She likes the drama surrounding her decisions. Otherwise she is as shallow as the kiddie pool.

Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at December 16, 2021 02:49 PM (EpDzw)

50 What Sinema may be worrying is that the election bill will definitely be held up by court challenges and may not go into effect until after the 2022 elections at the earliest. Thus, if the Republicans win in 2022 both branches, the minority in the Senate will be neutered by violating the sacrosanct filibuster which would neuter her as well.

Good point. She's cannier than the average Dem.

I will say, I've always thought the filibuster was unconstitutional.

I don't think there's anything about filibusters in the Constitution. It was simply a gentleman's agreement between the two sides. That doesn't work very well when neither side contains gentlemen.

Posted by: pep at December 16, 2021 02:49 PM (ZsR3z)

51 We all know my liking of Sinema and how it stems from deeply held convictions, like she's exactly my type of crazy, so before anyone yells at me, yes, I am fully aware that her politics are still pretty damn left. Yes, I know, dear, now shoo, I have important lusting to do.

It's hilarious to me that people act all shocked and surprised that she will not end the filibuster, what with her using the puppets all the time to explain that she's against ending the filibuster.

In other news, they've remade Romancing the Stone with Sandra Bullock and Channing Tatum and it looks exactly like the type of silly and fun movies that just don't get made lately - https://youtu.be/xohAPIRNzuo

Also Daniel Radcliffe chewing all the scenery ever is great.

Further also, that the name of the book is The Lost City of D is exactly the 13 year old boy I am here for.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at December 16, 2021 02:49 PM (GbPPJ)

52 48 My comment to a co-worker was "She rejected her party's 'Just the tip.'"
Posted by: NaughtyPine at December 16, 2021 02:48 PM (fxCK2)

Mraww.

Posted by: m at December 16, 2021 02:49 PM (7NTue)

53 As alerts go nood Cinema is less frightening than nood Biden.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 16, 2021 02:49 PM (eGTCV)

54 50 I don't think there's anything about filibusters in the Constitution. It was simply a gentleman's agreement between the two sides. That doesn't work very well when neither side contains gentlemen.
Posted by: pep at December 16, 2021 02:49 PM (ZsR3z)

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The Senate is allowed to make its own rules. The filibuster is one of those rules.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 16, 2021 02:50 PM (LvTSG)

55 51 It's hilarious to me that people act all shocked and surprised that she will not end the filibuster, what with her using the puppets all the time to explain that she's against ending the filibuster.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at December 16, 2021 02:49 PM (GbPPJ)

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I call it the "Senate rules are more sacred than the Bible" crowd. It's an excuse for a lot.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 16, 2021 02:51 PM (LvTSG)

56 Actually, the Tity Caca Jew-Haters brigade was last. But you get my point.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
AOC saying insider trading by congress critters was bad. That was interesting.
Granted it probably is just because she has not got the hang of it yet. But still.

Posted by: MikeM at December 16, 2021 02:51 PM (rhowD)

57 I will say, I've always thought the filibuster was unconstitutional. Long term, Republicans should have a majority there. Far more Red States than Blue States.
Posted by: Blago at December 16, 2021 02:46 PM (FWyGR)

It's part of the rules the Senate makes for themselves on voting and debate processes. Which I think they're free to do.

Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at December 16, 2021 02:51 PM (z5Vrg)

58 44 $100 says Jeff Flake would have voted for the bill. So now there are 2 democrat senators. The donks only need two republican turncoats.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at December 16, 2021 02:48 PM (iDcra)

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I definitely believe that there would be a greater chance of Flake caving rather than Sinema.

Enjoy Turkey, Flakey. Please stay there and never come back.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at December 16, 2021 02:51 PM (TNyrE)

59 And honestly, she's better than most GOP senators, because GOP senators are further left than she is.

"We resent that remark!"
-- Romney, Murkowski, Sasse, Collins, Thune. . .

You misspelled "resemble".

Posted by: pep at December 16, 2021 02:51 PM (ZsR3z)

60 They actually thought that Obamacare would be popular like Medicare at the time--not that it was a sacrifice of their majorities.
Posted by: whig

I had forgotten how delusional they were about Obamacare at the time. But the fact remains the left play the long game: take over the institutions one at a time over years and years, and be willing to take a temporary loss for a permanent gain. I hope I am just too gloomy and they really can't get that bill through, but since it means permanent power for them I can't believe they are just going to take Sinema's "no" and say "Oh, OK" and walk away. The left are like the Terminator: they don't stop, they just keep going and going.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at December 16, 2021 02:52 PM (GZ/yK)

61 It is Thursday, shouldn't we be getting horrible news to dishearten us for the whole weekend?

If we can't trust the MFM to provide us basis for doom, who can we trust?

Posted by: Kindltot at December 16, 2021 02:52 PM (ZMraq)

62 $100 says Jeff Flake would have voted for the bill. So now there are 2 democrat senators. The donks only need two republican turncoats.
Posted by: Jukin

Flake would strategically find a way to tee it up and bring it to the 1 yard line for Democrats to pass, then vote against the bill he knows would pass, and have a laugh about the kabuki in the Senate cafeteria.

Sinema is better for AZ than Flake. But that's not saying much.

But in this situation, I'm loving Sinema, but I fully expect her to "betray" me.

Posted by: Blago at December 16, 2021 02:52 PM (FWyGR)

63 >>In other news, they've remade Romancing the Stone with Sandra Bullock and Channing Tatum and it looks exactly like the type of silly and fun movies that just don't get made lately - https://youtu.be/xohAPIRNzuo

Oh, such a great movie! Hope the remake is just as good.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 16, 2021 02:52 PM (URNdm)

64 $100 says Jeff Flake would have voted for the bill. So now there are 2 democrat senators. The donks only need two republican turncoats.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at December 16, 2021 02:48 PM (iDcra)

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McCain would make speeches and FUNDRAISE in opposition to it, and Quietly Vote For Cloture. He would then loudly vote against the bill when it only requires 50 votes to pass.

Can you name the current scumbag Republicans that are doing the same?

Posted by: rd at December 16, 2021 02:52 PM (Z32m1)

65 44 $100 says Jeff Flake would have voted for the bill. So now there are 2 democrat senators. The donks only need two republican turncoats.

Posted by: Jukin

Not really, the math works like this--for the dems to get anything through they need McConnell's acquiescence as he controls those 'wildcards' like Murkowski and Collins, probably Romney as well. They vote against McConnell, no money for their reelection from the Leadership fund. The base already hates them.

McConnell uses the legislative filibuster to grift and do failure theater and would never support removing it as his hold would disappear on the GOP conference.

Posted by: whig at December 16, 2021 02:52 PM (9hXN1)

66
I call it the "Senate rules are more sacred than the Bible" crowd. It's an excuse for a lot.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 16, 2021 02:51 PM (LvTSG)

Yup. And she's leading the service on it.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at December 16, 2021 02:53 PM (GbPPJ)

67 And what happens in November? The base screams, "Red Wave, baby!"
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing
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Understand what you are saying MPPP, but the red wave in November will come from the votes of independents, not the GOP base.

In fact, the reason Kemp is going to lose in Georgia is because the base is pissed at him and won't vote for him.

Posted by: Dave in Fla (fC3dn) at December 16, 2021 02:53 PM (5p7BC)

68 Further also, that the name of the book is The Lost City of D is exactly the 13 year old boy I am here for.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at December 16, 2021 02:49 PM (GbPPJ)

**smishes AtC**

Did you ever read The Lost City of Z?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 16, 2021 02:54 PM (2JVJo)

69 Though, honestly, I don't know if the GOP will do this very often. They're cowards and most of them are liberals anyway, who collude with the Democrats to make sure liberal policy preferences always prevail, while they pretend to oppose them.
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I think that's largely true, but it is still a gamble. Not all positions are known, but importantly the future is unknown. That sounds stupidly simple, but it's something a lot of people forget. Right now, there is zero risk to nuking the filibuster, either as a one-off or in general. The Republicans are useless criminals and the Democrats are effective criminals and there are too few who aren't to swing things beyond scoring political points.

But what does tomorrow bring? No one knows. And it is that fear - the fear of the unknown future - that I suspect keeps them from doing this.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 16, 2021 02:54 PM (DU+/6)

70 Oh, such a great movie! Hope the remake is just as good.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 16, 2021 02:52 PM (URNdm)

I mean, they named it something else but that's what it is.

At least in the trailer everyone looks like they are having fun and Tatum is great at deadpan making fun of himself which is exactly the tone you want from this type of movie.

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at December 16, 2021 02:54 PM (GbPPJ)

71 Another, there is

Posted by: Yoda at December 16, 2021 02:54 PM (tkpGS)

72 I think the Republican Mark Brnovich is going to beat Kelly in AZ.
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He's the one they're worried about the most. Kelly is not especially popular in AZ, and the Biden economy is not helping his chances. If things remain the same, or get worse (probably more likely) between now and next November, Kelly may have one of the shortest senate careers on record.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at December 16, 2021 02:54 PM (k4dH2)

73 Lookit the boots on that babe.

Posted by: Just sayin' at December 16, 2021 02:54 PM (GyN/b)

74 The big question now is: What is Brandon going to do to punish us plebs, in fury at not getting his way on much of anything the past six months or more? Other than passage of the Infrastructure Bill (that he only intended as a bait-and-switch on some Republican Senators), he's lost on vaxx mandates, wiping out COVID, getting the Russians and Iranians to do exactly what he wants, inflation and the supply chain, and this week, on two of the 'signature' pieces of legislation he wanted (by the end of the summer!).

Posted by: Gref at December 16, 2021 02:55 PM (AMIL/)

75 The left are like the Terminator: they don't stop, they just keep going and going.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp

Due to court challenges, the voter bill is less likely to be in force for 2022 elections where the Dems will probably lose at least the House. So Sinema is playing the long game herself as what is best for her.

Posted by: whig at December 16, 2021 02:55 PM (9hXN1)

76 And 60 seems reasonable to me. It should be 60% to pass any bill through the Senate, and classical supermajority (2/3) for the important stuff that it applies to today. If you're signing something into law and thus putting bullets behind its enforcement, 60% approval doesn't seem unreasonable.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 16, 2021 02:55 PM (DU+/6)

77 *smishes MP4 back*

I have!

Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at December 16, 2021 02:55 PM (GbPPJ)

78 Sinema is hawt! She should loan her balls to the Pubbies so they know what they're missing.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 16, 2021 02:55 PM (4vi12)

79 Thanks, JamesMadison.

Posted by: Seems Legit at December 16, 2021 02:55 PM (DcKNO)

80 But the fact remains the left play the long game: take over the institutions one at a time over years and years, and be willing to take a temporary loss for a permanent gain.

I see this a lot, but profoundly disagree. You make them sound like dedicated statesman for their retarded philosophy, and willing to sacrifice their own careers for what they think is the greater societal good. They're anything but. They didn't expect Obamacare to hurt them because they're really stupid, not playing a long game.

Posted by: pep at December 16, 2021 02:55 PM (ZsR3z)

81 Off topic, but The Bulwark has an interesting article that shows they may be trying to trick and sink the Dems!

A.B. Stoddard (!?) has advice for the Dems to win the 2022 election campaign: "The Attempted Republican Coup Should Be the Democrats' Leading Message"

I guess, in a way, they can't run on anything else, but trying to flog THAT dead-horse as an overarching theme for Congressional elections is fucking suicide! Thankfully for the Dems (and everyone, really), no one actually cares what Stoddard thinks, let alone even seeks it out.

Posted by: Intrepid Bulwark AoS Liaison at December 16, 2021 02:55 PM (JCZqz)

82 Would love to watch Sinema pimp slap Pelosi around. Same deal with Schumer.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 16, 2021 02:56 PM (4vi12)

83 Sinema is many things. Congressional leadership is not one of them. Ever.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 16, 2021 02:56 PM (BFigT)

84 I suspect she's for the filibuster mostly because it insulates her from having to vote on the voting bill on the merits, her claimed support for it notwithstanding. Permissive voting laws in a state overrun with illegals can't be terribly popular. And she needs to thread the needle to win a general election (assuming she can survive the nutters in her own party during the primary). Just looks like reasonable political calculations to me, not principle.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 16, 2021 02:57 PM (QU5/8)

85 83 Sinema is many things. Congressional leadership is not one of them. Ever.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 16, 2021 02:56 PM (BFigT)

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I predict she loses her next Democratic primary, and then the winner of that primary loses the general election.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 16, 2021 02:57 PM (LvTSG)

86 27 >>>his thread deserves a pic. SFW.

https://tinyurl.com/2p83uxpx

Posted by: flounder

The a/c was set to full blast, i see.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at December 16, 2021 02:46 PM (XSRBF)

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And runner's legs!

Posted by: ShainS -- Let's Poop Brandon! at December 16, 2021 02:57 PM (cnnw/)

87 If things remain the same, or get worse (probably more likely) between now and next November, Kelly may have one of the shortest senate careers on record.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at December 16, 2021 02:54 PM (k4dH2)

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Still longer than Martha McSally.

All things considered, I much prefer Brnovich over McSally as my senator, but I hate the fact that Kelly had to be involved to make the switcheroo.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at December 16, 2021 02:58 PM (TNyrE)

88 Sure I can fill a buster. I've filled lots of busters.

Posted by: Stacey Abrams at December 16, 2021 02:58 PM (GyN/b)

89 84 I suspect she's for the filibuster mostly because it insulates her from having to vote on the voting bill on the merits, her claimed support for it notwithstanding. Permissive voting laws in a state overrun with illegals can't be terribly popular. And she needs to thread the needle to win a general election (assuming she can survive the nutters in her own party during the primary). Just looks like reasonable political calculations to me, not principle.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 16, 2021 02:57 PM (QU5/

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She's talking out both sides of her mouth. She's trying to look moderate for independents in AZ and she's trying to sound progressive for the progressives of AZ.

Progressives are far less tolerant of this kind of double play than Republicans, and she doesn't have the political organization that McCain had to help balance the act.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 16, 2021 02:59 PM (LvTSG)

90
She told Schumer, "Do whatever you want!"

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at December 16, 2021 02:59 PM (/U27+)

91 And 60 seems reasonable to me. It should be 60% to pass any bill through the Senate, and classical supermajority (2/3) for the important stuff that it applies to today. If you're signing something into law and thus putting bullets behind its enforcement, 60% approval doesn't seem unreasonable.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!)
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I'm glad that's in there when Dems have complete control, but if I'm being intellectually honest, the Founders didn't put in 60 votes when they could have.

It's supposed to be a bare majority, with the VP being President of the Senate as the tie breaker.

Just like when Dems made 60 votes the standard for all judicial appointments, that seemed to violate the Constitution.

My feelings on the filibuster change a great deal based on who's in charge

Posted by: Blago at December 16, 2021 02:59 PM (FWyGR)

92 I will say, I've always thought the filibuster was unconstitutional. Long term, Republicans should have a majority there. Far more Red States than Blue States.
Posted by: Blago at December 16, 2021 02:46 PM (FWyGR)

It's part of the rules the Senate makes for themselves on voting and debate processes. Which I think they're free to do.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy - The Republic is already dead! at December 16, 2021 02:51 PM (z5Vrg)

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The Senate is supposed to be the deliberative part of Congress and represent the interests of the individual states. That is why they have staggered 6 year terms, AND used to be appointed by the states. The Progressives screwed that up in the 19 teens, when they passed so many BAD Constitutional Amendments like Income Tax, Direct Voting for Senators, and (Yes) Woman's Suffrage. Remember these same people also voted for Prohibition of Alcohol.

Posted by: rd at December 16, 2021 02:59 PM (Z32m1)

93 I want to see Sinema fill a bustier.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at December 16, 2021 02:59 PM (wmDcS)

94 Would love to watch Sinema pimp slap Pelosi around. Same deal with Schumer.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 16, 2021 02:56 PM (4vi12)

And McConnell.

Posted by: flounder at December 16, 2021 02:59 PM (SH2Zi)

95 Bulwark staff would be among my list of candidates to be taken outside the city, thrown off a cliff and then stoned by whoever wants to throw a stone.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 16, 2021 03:00 PM (eGTCV)

96 Save us SCROTUM, your are only hope!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at December 16, 2021 03:00 PM (tMjLZ)

97 These Democrats worry me.

{sarc} Happily, we have stalwart Republicans with integrity to represent us. Especially in the Senate; those Boy Scouts are absolutely trustworthy.

{/sarc}

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 16, 2021 03:01 PM (COPCI)

98 I don't think there's anything about filibusters in the Constitution. It was simply a gentleman's agreement between the two sides. That doesn't work very well when neither side contains gentlemen.

Posted by: pep

The issue with changing the Senate rules is that individual senators have a lot more power than in the House. Under House rules, especially now, the leadership says jump and the rank and file have to say how high. In the Senate, the maj and minority leaders are schedulers and fundraisers for their party. The Senate could grind to a halt with most of their legislation requiring steps for unanimous consent--thus one senator objecting could bring the whole thing to a stop. Right now, Wyden is holding up Uighur sanctions on the Chinese and Biden appointees. If House rules are adopted, he doesn't have that power to hold either up.

That is why true believers get little accomplished in the Senate--the rules themselves are designed for consensus on legislation passage but giving enormous power to individual senators to block things. Hard to give up that power to be one of the backbenchers.

Posted by: whig at December 16, 2021 03:01 PM (9hXN1)

99 I predict she loses her next Democratic primary, and then the winner of that primary loses the general election.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 16, 2021 02:57 PM (LvTSG)

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AZ loves its mavericks. I foresee her being senator for as long as she wants, unless something changes regarding limiting party primaries to one's own party registered voters.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at December 16, 2021 03:01 PM (TNyrE)

100 Bulwark staff would be among my list of candidates to be taken outside the city, thrown off a cliff and then stoned by whoever wants to throw a stone.
Posted by: Northernlurker at December 16, 2021 03:00 PM (eGTCV)
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You're thinking we thrown rocks at them as they drop from the cliff?

I like this game.

Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 16, 2021 03:02 PM (COPCI)

101 Remember the horrible crone Jackie Spier (sp?) who is about to retire, telling Sinema to "watch her ass" when she dared to stand and applaud during one of the POTUS-in-exile's SotU speeches? Sinema should pimp-slap her on her way out.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at December 16, 2021 03:02 PM (Bmy3R)

102 So far that's both sinema and manchin saying stop the madness. Pretty sure there are more squishy democrats that would vote no also.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at December 16, 2021 03:02 PM (bVYXr)

103 US jobless claims rise but still historically low at 206,000

Jobless claims rose by 18,000 to a 206,000, still low by historical standards. The four-week average, which smooths out week-to-week volatility, fell by 16,000 to less than 204,000, the lowest level since mid-November 1969 when the American job market was less than half the size it is now, according Department of Labor figures released Thursday.

Altogether, 1.8 million Americans were receiving traditional jobless benefits the week that ended Dec. 4, down by 154,000 from the previous week.

Posted by: SMOD at December 16, 2021 03:02 PM (RHGPo)

104 I wanna live with the Sinema Girl

Posted by: Neil Old at December 16, 2021 03:02 PM (mR6Gs)

105 Diners looks to be playing a variation on that Democrat favorite:

"While I support X, I don't support the way you're X. Or, you're doing X the wrong way or for the wrong reasons.

Democrat failure theater the Democrat way.
I like it.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 16, 2021 03:02 PM (OMayC)

106 Those boots are mavericky!

Posted by: Just Sayin' at December 16, 2021 03:02 PM (GyN/b)

107 In related news, Nic Cage's next movie is called: "The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent", and is a biopic with him playing himself:

https://youtu.be/3IK5XG-RFOs

Actually looks not as insane as most of his movies.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 16, 2021 03:03 PM (j9CjA)

108 Wtf?

Diners = Sinema

Posted by: naturalfake at December 16, 2021 03:03 PM (OMayC)

109
I wanna live with the Sinema Girl

Posted by: Neil Old at December 16, 2021 03:02 PM

well played

Posted by: AltonJackson at December 16, 2021 03:03 PM (DUIap)

110 stoned by whoever wants to throw a stone.
Posted by: Northernlurker
You are appreciated. That was funny.

Posted by: MikeM at December 16, 2021 03:03 PM (rhowD)

111 t's part of the rules the Senate makes for themselves on voting and debate processes. Which I think they're free to do.
Posted by: Red Turban Someguy
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If it can be undone by a bare majority, you can make the case its still "kosher". But the Senate essentially operates in a way contrary to the Founders intention.

First 100 years or so, there wasn't really a filibuster.

The modern application of the filibuster is basically from segregationist Democrats in the 60's that wanted to stop civil rights bills. It was a sort of "one off" that became the de facto rule.

Posted by: Blago at December 16, 2021 03:04 PM (FWyGR)

112 She's talking out both sides of her mouth.

She is. But it's her only sensible play. Go full
progressive, she'll not survive the general (especially in a year that looks to be redder than usual). Go full moderate, and her own party's zealots will guillotine her in the primary. I don't know if she can pull it off. Maybe not. But I don't see a better strategy than double-talk.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 16, 2021 03:04 PM (QU5/8)

113 I'm glad that's in there when Dems have complete control, but if I'm being intellectually honest, the Founders didn't put in 60 votes when they could have.

The problem with this line of argument is that the founders expected the people would overthrow any authoritarian government that came to power in the US.

There is no provision in the constitution to allow the feds to mandate clot shots or pay illegal aliens or any of the million other things the government does now, so it doesn't matter if 51, 60 or 100 Senators vote for something.

The problem is, of course, that we the people, have not responded as expected by the founders.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 16, 2021 03:04 PM (ESjRY)

114 I am for a 90 vote majority.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 16, 2021 03:04 PM (R8uWY)

115 Sinema .. isn't that a baby formula ?

Posted by: SMOD at December 16, 2021 03:04 PM (RHGPo)

116 114 I am for a 90 vote majority.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 16, 2021 03:04 PM (R8uWY)

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A 40 vote threshold to repeal legislation as well.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 16, 2021 03:04 PM (LvTSG)

117 88 Sure I can fill a buster. I've filled lots of busters.
Posted by: Stacey Abrams at December 16, 2021 02:58 PM

But you've emptied out several Dave and Buster's.

Posted by: Dave and Busters CEO at December 16, 2021 03:04 PM (JCZqz)

118 She's no moderate but it's good that there is a Democrat" moderate" for once

Posted by: steevy at December 16, 2021 03:04 PM (CYnTg)

119 Further also, that the name of the book is The Lost City of D is exactly the 13 year old boy I am here for.

Apparently that was the title of the movie, too, during most of the production.

Though maybe that was part of the plan, leak out a temporary title to get people talking and then adjust it to the blander but more professional one?

Titles are weird-- what's supposedly box office poison (the word "Mars," for example), and so on.

In this essay I will

Posted by: Lance McCormick at December 16, 2021 03:04 PM (l8gTz)

120 Further also, that the name of the book is The Lost City of D is exactly the 13 year old boy I am here for.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at December 16, 2021 02:49 PM (GbPPJ)

Lost City of D sounds like gay porn... just sayin. I've been to a lot of bathhouses...

Posted by: Crazy Fauci at December 16, 2021 03:05 PM (53oGX)

121 I wonder why the Democrats don't just ram whatever bullshit legislation or rule changes through regardless of the "processes and procedure."

It's not like the GOP is going to object.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 16, 2021 03:05 PM (BFigT)

122 I predict she loses her next Democratic primary, and then the winner of that primary loses the general election.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 16, 2021 02:57 PM (LvTSG)

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If they don't steal the Governor's race next year for Soros butt-bitch (and present Secretary of State and Election Fraud, but mostly Fraud), Katie Hobbs, they'll likely use her as the vehicle to primary Sinema in 2024 and steal that election.

Posted by: ShainS -- Let's Poop Brandon! at December 16, 2021 03:05 PM (cnnw/)

123 Things are booming for Biden!

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 16, 2021 03:05 PM (R8uWY)

124 Vote for the People's Act will turn us into People's Republic of Amerika, and we will never have to vote again.

Posted by: Skip's Phone at December 16, 2021 03:06 PM (2JoB8)

125 AZ loves its mavericks. I foresee her being senator for as long as she wants, unless something changes regarding limiting party primaries to one's own party registered voters.
Posted by: Curly Shuffle
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The liberal media loves Republicans that do Democrat things to curry favor with them is what I think you meant.

They will cast Sinema much differently.

But if she can get through her primary, she will almost always win.

Posted by: Blago at December 16, 2021 03:06 PM (FWyGR)

126 89
She's talking out both sides of her mouth.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 16, 2021 02:59 PM

You know what I can do out both sides of my mouth? At the same time?!

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 16, 2021 03:06 PM (JCZqz)

127
If they don't steal the Governor's race next year for Soros butt-bitch (and present Secretary of State and Election Fraud, but mostly Fraud), Katie Hobbs, they'll likely use her as the vehicle to primary Sinema in 2024 and steal that election.
Posted by: ShainS

Or Mark Kelly if he loses (I think he will)

Posted by: Blago at December 16, 2021 03:07 PM (FWyGR)

128
And here you have it. A purple state Bolshevik is more conservative than the GOP.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 16, 2021 03:07 PM (2ABQr)

129 You're thinking we thrown rocks at them as they drop from the cliff?

I like this game.
Posted by: Huck Follywood at December 16, 2021 03:02 PM (COPCI)

I wanna do Pinochet skeet shooting.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 16, 2021 03:07 PM (gEfRI)

130 And 60 seems reasonable to me. It should be 60% to pass any bill through the Senate, and classical supermajority (2/3) for the important stuff that it applies to today. If you're signing something into law and thus putting bullets behind its enforcement, 60% approval doesn't seem unreasonable.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 16, 2021 02:55 PM (DU+/6)
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This is why I despise the gutless Cockssucking Republican Senators that played games with the Transpacific Trade Treaty. Remember the dodge that it would Pass, unless they voted against it?

I will take a principled Kyrsten Synema, socialist and all over those lying bastards.

Posted by: rd at December 16, 2021 03:07 PM (Z32m1)

131 How is a blanket federal takeover of elections not blatantly unconstitutional? Yes, I know VRA, but that was narrow in scope and has been scaled back over the years.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 16, 2021 03:08 PM (eA1RV)

132 You're thinking we thrown rocks at them as they drop from the cliff?

I like this game.
Posted by: Huck Follywood

I wanna do Pinochet skeet shooting.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory

With an M2 .50 cal.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2021 03:08 PM (0E0In)

133 131 How is a blanket federal takeover of elections not blatantly unconstitutional? Yes, I know VRA, but that was narrow in scope and has been scaled back over the years.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 16, 2021 03:08 PM (eA1RV)

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It is blatantly unconstitutional, and it does very different things from the VRA.

If they managed to pass this thing (they won't), there will be injunctions filed immediately that prevent it from ever taking effect before the 2022 election.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 16, 2021 03:09 PM (LvTSG)

134 Thanks, Sinema!

>>Sinema says she supports the "voting rights" bills on the merits. Which worries me,

Yeah, still a Lefty. . .
Posted by: Lizzy at December 16, 2021 02:42 PM (URNdm)

i think, know the fillibuster isn't going anywhere, she feels safe in spouting that for the rabid leftists. i mean, he'll i'd say it knowing there's no way i'm going to have to vote on it.

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at December 16, 2021 03:09 PM (8D42x)

135 112 She's talking out both sides of her mouth.

She is. But it's her only sensible play. Go full
progressive, she'll not survive the general (especially in a year that looks to be redder than usual). Go full moderate, and her own party's zealots will guillotine her in the primary. I don't know if she can pull it off. Maybe not. But I don't see a better strategy than double-talk.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 16, 2021 03:04 PM (QU5/

She may be playing the options every day based on Kelly's internal polling data. (Nothing wrong with that.) I bet she gets that info even if Kelly and Schumer are working to keep it from her.

Posted by: Gref at December 16, 2021 03:09 PM (AMIL/)

136 131 How is a blanket federal takeover of elections not blatantly unconstitutional?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 16, 2021 03:08 PM

Who cares about that old thing?

Posted by: Chief Justice Roberts at December 16, 2021 03:09 PM (JCZqz)

137 All things considered, I much prefer Brnovich over McSally as my senator, but I hate the fact that Kelly had to be involved to make the switcheroo.
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Yes, McSally was my congresswoman, and she always sucked. GOPe all the way. Also, a terrible retail politician. Very stiff, had trouble connecting with people, and not at good at the fundraising stuff either.

I know why they tried to move her up to senate. She ticked off a lot of popular identity-group boxes: woman, veteran, trailblazing pioneer (as one of the first female fighter pilots), lesbian, etc. But she was always a lot better on paper than she was in person.

Brnovich is at least a conservative, which already puts him miles above McSally or any of the Dims.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer--F*ck Joe Biden at December 16, 2021 03:10 PM (k4dH2)

138 I'm leaving the Sinema lusting to Alex. I don't trust her or Manchin to keep doing the right things on BBB and the voting bill. Its a mark of our desperation that we have to place faith and trust in those two.

Posted by: Muad'dib at December 16, 2021 03:10 PM (sjdRT)

139 138 I'm leaving the Sinema lusting to Alex. I don't trust her or Manchin to keep doing the right things on BBB and the voting bill. Its a mark of our desperation that we have to place faith and trust in those two.
Posted by: Muad'dib at December 16, 2021 03:10 PM (sjdRT)

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BBB has been shelved, so Manchin followed through.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 16, 2021 03:11 PM (LvTSG)

140 >>> I think Sinema isn't terrible. She probably knows she's in a red state, and wants to keep her job, so she goes moderate on the left's lunatic ideas.

Agreed. She is way better than Jeff Flake.

Posted by: fluffy at December 16, 2021 03:11 PM (UnQlg)

141 I wanna do Pinochet skeet shooting.
Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 16, 2021 03:07 PM

It's good to be the king.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at December 16, 2021 03:11 PM (m+jkK)

142 Don't try to understand Senators. Senators understand Senators and they hate each other.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at December 16, 2021 03:11 PM (wmDcS)

143 Other than McSally, has anyone ever lost both senate seats from any particular state?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 16, 2021 03:11 PM (eA1RV)

144 There's a non-zero chance that she loses her next Democratic primary because the Democratic base has gone fucking insane.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 16, 2021 02:43 PM (LvTSG)

The only prog candidate with any name recognition to step out so far is Raul Grijalva, the old Mexican drunk from Tucson. I don't think he's a real threat.

Sinema may actually be intelligent enough to have figured out that if she plays the part of the independent who thinks for herself, she may just be able to hold on to that seat for many years to come - no matter what happens nationally.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 16, 2021 03:12 PM (trdmm)

145 But if she can get through her primary, she will almost always win.

Posted by: Blago at December 16, 2021 03:06 PM (FWyGR)

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And that was my main point, making it through her party's primary.

As a registered independent, on primary election day 2018, I asked for the Democrat ballot at my polling place. I voted for her opponent in the primary, conducting my own "Operation Chaos".

However, I can see independents rationally selecting the Dem ballot in 2024 to retain her, which will help her clear the major hurdle for re-election. General election will probably be a formality, in comparison.

Posted by: Curly Shuffle at December 16, 2021 03:12 PM (TNyrE)

146 >BBB has been shelved, so Manchin followed through.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 16, 2021 03:11 PM (LvTSG)

It can be un-shelved in an instant. That zombie won't be truly dead until 2023.

Posted by: Muad'dib at December 16, 2021 03:12 PM (sjdRT)

147 How is a blanket federal takeover of elections not blatantly unconstitutional? Yes, I know VRA, but that was narrow in scope and has been scaled back over the years.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 16, 2021 03:08 PM

Parts of the VRA have been declared unconstitutional.

Posted by: Mister Scot (Formerly GWS) at December 16, 2021 03:12 PM (bVYXr)

148 Sinema--like Manchin--is looking out for her best interest, but that's okay. What did Adam Smith always say?

Plus it works for us.
For now.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 16, 2021 03:12 PM (mR6Gs)

149 In other news, they've remade Romancing the Stone with Sandra Bullock and Channing Tatum and it looks exactly like the type of silly and fun movies that just don't get made lately - https://youtu.be/xohAPIRNzuo
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It has potential but hey, I'm a sucker for Sandra Bullock.

Posted by: WisRich at December 16, 2021 03:12 PM (G0vdT)

150 Don't try to understand Senators. Senators understand Senators and they hate each other.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at December 16, 2021 03:11 PM (wmDcS)

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So...kinda like women?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 16, 2021 03:12 PM (eA1RV)

151 The Progressives screwed that up in the 19 teens, when they passed so many BAD Constitutional Amendments like Income Tax, Direct Voting for Senators, and (Yes) Woman's Suffrage. Remember these same people also voted for Prohibition of Alcohol.

Posted by: rd

The appointment of Senators by the time the amendment passed was basically dead anyway. A majority of state legislatures (29) out of 46 by 1912 (soon to be 4

used popular referendums on candidates and chose the winner https://tinyurl.com/2p982ya7

Fights in the state legislatures often led to long periods of Seante vacancies, especially when party power was divided between the bicameral legislatures. Corruption was another issue.

Posted by: whig at December 16, 2021 03:12 PM (9hXN1)

152 Instant Day of Reg and Voting on a REAL ballot, not a provisional.

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 16, 2021 03:13 PM (yrol0)

153 I think the Republican Mark Brnovich is going to beat Kelly in AZ.

I also think Keri Lake is going to be the next Governor.
Posted by: Blago at December 16, 2021 02:48 PM (FWyGR)
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Does Brnovich need some money to push him over the line?

Posted by: Braenyard, in the yard at December 16, 2021 03:13 PM (xcd1u)

154 Sasse and schumer are bff.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 16, 2021 03:13 PM (R8uWY)

155 You know who uses both sides of their mouth well?

Posted by: Willie Brown (D-CA) at December 16, 2021 03:14 PM (a3Q+t)

156 well, good, Brandon's a first term lame duck. I hope he enjoys the Gorilla Channel.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 16, 2021 03:14 PM (ZZK0E)

157 16 YOs can register to vote. This means 11th and 12th graders will be voting based on Howard Zinns Hysterical Book.

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 16, 2021 03:14 PM (yrol0)

158 Here's a bit of truly, truly great news:

Caroline Kennedy's going to be our ambassador to Australia!

I mean like, you know, like down under, man.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at December 16, 2021 03:14 PM (sWM8x)

159 Brnovich is at least a conservative, which already puts him miles above McSally or any of the Dims.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer
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I have a connection with Brnovich, solid conservative and good at retail politics. Shown he can win statewide.

He has a solid spine too, not some Republican like Governor Ducey that runs for the hills when he comes under fire for being a conservative.

Posted by: Blago at December 16, 2021 03:14 PM (FWyGR)

160 It is a good time for the Democrats to make their play and nationalize elections. One, the GOP won't object and two, SCOTUS won't take the case out of pure fear.

Some of the rank and file Democrats might be a bit squishy on this, but they'd go along without bitching about it.

Given how many of the leftists are unable to control their impulses I'm surprised they haven't gone ahead and pushed their entire commie agenda down our throats.

Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 16, 2021 03:14 PM (BFigT)

161 138 I'm leaving the Sinema lusting to Alex...
Posted by: Muad'dib at December 16, 2021 03:10 PM

Concur. If you're looking for hot ladies to lust after/simp for, Federal congress is a pretty poor hunting ground.

Besides, AOC is hotter than Sinema.

Posted by: Anon Moron at December 16, 2021 03:15 PM (JCZqz)

162 156 well, good, Brandon's a first term lame duck. I hope he enjoys the Gorilla Channel.
Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 16, 2021 03:14 PM (ZZK0E)

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He joins the ranks with John Quincy Adams.

It's what happens when you blatantly steal an election. You have no political capital and the opposition has little incentive to help. Also, the people tend to get really fucking pissy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 16, 2021 03:15 PM (LvTSG)

163
It can be un-shelved in an instant. That zombie won't be truly dead until 2023.
Posted by: Muad'dib at December 16, 2021 03:12 PM (sjdRT)

The Republicans, sure of taking all the marbles in 2022, are prevent defense so as not to fuck it up.

But that prospect is scaring enough Democrats into not going full Lefty.

I'm sure there are more than a couple Democrats in the Senate breathing a sigh of relief for The Sinema Girl.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 16, 2021 03:15 PM (mR6Gs)

164 The Democrats have a bare 5 seat majority in the House, and are a minority in the Senate, and yet they push hard with every trick they can think of for what they promised their constituents.

I wish we had a party like that.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 16, 2021 03:15 PM (yQpMk)

165 100% Motor Voter Registration

100% of Licensing Data Must be transferred for Voter Registration regardless of citizenship.

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 16, 2021 03:15 PM (yrol0)

166 honestly though, let sinema and manchin keep their seats. they saved our asses. Not just "ours" like the GOP but holy fuck the inflation is awful, just made a quick run to COSTCO and Big Meat has gone crazy with their gouging. I'm left pondering whether to buy Giant's microthin slice steak or just buy 2 weeks of loin at once and grin and bear it. cut that shit myself.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 16, 2021 03:16 PM (ZZK0E)

167 Besides, AOC is hotter than Sinema.
Posted by: Anon Moron at December 16, 2021 03:15 PM (JCZqz)

and that's how the fight started officer...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at December 16, 2021 03:16 PM (8D42x)

168 Does Brnovich need some money to push him over the line?

Posted by: Braenyard

Probably, he's up against some Republican aligned with Peter Thiel and another rich doofus that thinks he can buy a Senate seat.

Brnovich is easily the most electable and has a real conservative track record.

Posted by: Blago at December 16, 2021 03:16 PM (FWyGR)

169 How is a blanket federal takeover of elections not blatantly unconstitutional? Yes, I know VRA, but that was narrow in scope and has been scaled back over the years.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 16, 2021 03:08 PM

Article I Section 4:
"The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators."

Posted by: Chuck C at December 16, 2021 03:16 PM (EughT)

170 131 How is a blanket federal takeover of elections not blatantly unconstitutional?
Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 16, 2021 03:08 PM

I was informed this bill "preserves our democracy." How can that be unconstitutional?! - democrat voters

Posted by: Fool Otto at December 16, 2021 03:16 PM (DB16e)

171 Helicopter crashes onto the interstate in Baton Rouge.

https://www.itemfix.com/v?t=rvo68p

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 16, 2021 03:16 PM (FVME7)

172 Besides, AOC is hotter than Sinema.
Posted by: Anon Moron at December 16, 2021 03:15 PM (JCZqz)

That's undeniable. She has the rack.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 16, 2021 03:16 PM (mR6Gs)

173 158 Here's a bit of truly, truly great news:

Caroline Kennedy's going to be our ambassador to Australia!

I mean like, you know, like down under, man.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at December 16, 2021 03:14 PM

Australia, wow...congratulations! I'll have a schnitzel and some Bach!

Posted by: Lloyd Christmas, joke reversed at December 16, 2021 03:17 PM (JCZqz)

174 164 The Democrats have a bare 5 seat majority in the House, and are a minority in the Senate, and yet they push hard with every trick they can think of for what they promised their constituents.

I wish we had a party like that.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 16, 2021 03:15 PM (yQpMk)

=========

And they're getting nothing but a bill that was all but passed in the last Congress, only held up because Pelosi didn't want to give Trump a victory.

Democrats have their own failure theater. Not everything this year has been failure theater, but a whole lot of it has been. The effort to pass BBB was genuine, but I don't think they've had any hope of passing it for months.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 16, 2021 03:17 PM (LvTSG)

175 Anyone can vote via the states Absentee Voting Ballot and the State cannot reject any request even if made by a third party.

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 16, 2021 03:17 PM (yrol0)

176 In other news, they've remade Romancing the Stone with Sandra Bullock and Channing Tatum and it looks exactly like the type of silly and fun movies that just don't get made lately - https://youtu.be/xohAPIRNzuo
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It has potential but hey, I'm a sucker for Sandra Bullock.
Posted by: WisRich at December 16, 2021 03:12 PM (G0vdT)

Were people asking for a remake? It was a fun movie, but also seems rife for exploitation and pushing "the message" [Drinker's echo for effect]. Nothing could make me walk into a theater to watch people text message and talk to each other for 2 hours - but I might pay for streaming.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 16, 2021 03:17 PM (wAnMi)

177 No signature required for Absentee Ballots.

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 16, 2021 03:17 PM (yrol0)

178 Besides, AOC is hotter than Sinema.
Posted by: Anon Moron at December 16, 2021 03:15 PM (JCZqz)

and that's how the fight started officer...
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at December 16, 2021 03:16 PM (8D42x)

I will bet that Sinema is more ... er ... vigorious, IYKWIM.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 16, 2021 03:18 PM (yQpMk)

179 No SS # required to register.

Posted by: rhennigantx at December 16, 2021 03:18 PM (yrol0)

180 Besides, AOC is hotter than Sinema.

Concur.

Posted by: Marty Feldman at December 16, 2021 03:18 PM (QU5/8)

181 Silifubter. Bilisufter.

Posted by: Check Out gp's Rehoboth Beach Tan! at December 16, 2021 03:18 PM (qpX6U)

182 At WZ. People in LA leaving their trunks/ back hatches open so thieves stop breaking windows.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 16, 2021 03:18 PM (R8uWY)

183 Besides, AOC is hotter than Sinema.
Posted by: Anon Moron at December 16, 2021 03:15 PM (JCZqz)

That's undeniable. She has the rack.
Posted by: JoeF. at December 16, 2021 03:16 PM (mR6Gs)

yeah, but the legs on Sinema... and a good rack as well.

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at December 16, 2021 03:19 PM (8D42x)

184 I will take bobert any day.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 16, 2021 03:19 PM (R8uWY)

185 I will bet that Sinema is more ... er ... vigorious, IYKWIM.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 16, 2021 03:18 PM (yQpMk)

AOC probably checks her phone during sex.

Sinema hands it to you and shows you how to turn on the camera app.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at December 16, 2021 03:19 PM (wmDcS)

186 The Paolo can turn AOC around and convert her to our side if he gets the chance.

Posted by: JoeF. at December 16, 2021 03:19 PM (mR6Gs)

187 171 Helicopter crashes onto the interstate in Baton Rouge.

https://www.itemfix.com/v?t=rvo68p
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 16, 2021 03:16 PM (FVME7)

Damn, the whole rotor assembly came down separately.

Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at December 16, 2021 03:19 PM (dfRN6)

188 Given how many of the leftists are unable to control their impulses I'm surprised they haven't gone ahead and pushed their entire commie agenda down our throats.
Posted by: Martini Farmer at December 16, 2021 03:14 PM (BFigT)

At the beginning of 2021, they were sure they could do exactly that. It's been a lot of fun watching it all fall apart for them. The best part is that their prog base is listening to the lies, and still doesn't fully realize that it's all fallen apart already.

The screaming, wailing, and gnashing of teeth when they do realize it is going to be truly epic!

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 16, 2021 03:19 PM (trdmm)

189 174 164 The Democrats have a bare 5 seat majority in the House, and are a minority in the Senate, and yet they push hard with every trick they can think of for what they promised their constituents.

-----

shit, we couldn't even let trump do his first year without joining with the donks over russia hoax.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 16, 2021 03:19 PM (ZZK0E)

190 Caroline Kennedy's going to be our ambassador to Australia!

Does she even speak Australian?!?

Posted by: Barack Obama at December 16, 2021 03:19 PM (QU5/8)

191 Besides, AOC is hotter than Sinema.

Concur.
Posted by: Marty Feldman at December 16, 2021 03:18 PM (QU5/

ISWYDT

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at December 16, 2021 03:19 PM (8D42x)

192 164 The Democrats have a bare 5 seat majority in the House, and are a minority in the Senate, and yet they push hard with every trick they can think of for what they promised their constituents.

I wish we had a party like that.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 16, 2021 03:15 PM

If you listen to the far lefties on YouTube, they basically say the Dems are complete sellouts and failure theater that aren't pushing through an aggressive, socialist agenda using their razor thin margin because they're actually Republicans.

Posted by: Grimmy at December 16, 2021 03:19 PM (JCZqz)

193 Article I Section 4:
"The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators."

Posted by: Chuck C

that sounds like COngress has a blank check.

You would think our one time Republican Congress would pass some basic federal election integrity laws.

Posted by: Blago at December 16, 2021 03:20 PM (FWyGR)

194 "Big Meats gone crazy with their gouging"

Okay, moby, go away and let the adults talk.

Posted by: naturalfake at December 16, 2021 03:20 PM (OMayC)

195 Kyrsten Sinema skips leg day.

ShainS -- Let's Poop Brandon!, closely examine the legs of women cross country winners.

There is a difference.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at December 16, 2021 03:20 PM (u82oZ)

196 I was informed this bill "preserves our democracy." How can that be unconstitutional?! - democrat voters
Posted by: Fool Otto at December 16, 2021 03:16 PM (DB16e)

Also Democrat voters: "Republicans only win by gerrymandering and restricting ballot access."

And also before spewing that nonsense: "It's those unvaccinated Republicans that are currently dying in hospitals and they just aren't dying fast enough."

I fucking hate the hot takes of my peers at the institution I work at. My blood ran cold as I heard the above just today...

Posted by: Thrawn at December 16, 2021 03:20 PM (Rl7KJ)

197 Filibuster isn't "unconstitutional" since nothing in the constitution says "Senate can't have internal rules that require supermajority voting on some issues." In fact, the constitution specifically says "Each [chamber] may determine the Rules of its Proceedings."

You can say it's contrary to Founders' intention or whatever, but yeah most things in the modern state are. So no particular reason to get bent out of shape about Senate filibuster on that basis since it would probably be about 1 millionth on the list of things about present day US government the Founders wouldn't like.

Posted by: Match Checksout at December 16, 2021 03:20 PM (dYe5S)

198 Cinema? Oh, sure. Used to go every Saturday with grandma. 15 cents on the Amtrak and that includes juju beans. But you can't call 'em JewJews anymore. Now they're people of hymietown. We would watch the newsreels and see what Chester A. Arthur was doing with the space program. Pea knuckle was my favorite flavor.

Posted by: Presidentish Biden at December 16, 2021 03:20 PM (GyN/b)

199 Damn, the whole rotor assembly came down separately.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at December 16, 2021 03:19 PM (dfRN6)

They lost the Jesus Nut?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 16, 2021 03:20 PM (yQpMk)

200 I will take bobert any day.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 16, 2021 03:19 PM (R8uWY)

I would, except that I grew up near there and have an ingrained avoidance of Rifle Girls.

On the other hand, you know Boebart has drunkenly thrown down with a cowgirl out on some back road, so she'd have no trouble against AOC.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at December 16, 2021 03:20 PM (wmDcS)

201 Has your marriage lost some spark?

Patricia Karvelas
@PatsKarvelas
One of the new romantic things me and my partner do every morning is rapid test eachother for #COVID19 this pandemic just keeps on giving

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 16, 2021 03:21 PM (FVME7)

202 "Big Meats gone crazy with their gouging"

Okay, moby, go away and let the adults talk.
Posted by: naturalfak

--------

white guy blinking meme. wrong on every word though, nice.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 16, 2021 03:21 PM (ZZK0E)

203 I will take bobert any day.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 16, 2021 03:19 PM (R8uWY)

and here's Cat with t strong late entry into the mix.

plus Bobert is sane so she's an easy winner...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at December 16, 2021 03:21 PM (8D42x)

204 Damn, the whole rotor assembly came down separately.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at December 16, 2021 03:19 PM (dfRN6)

They lost the Jesus Nut?
Posted by: G'rump928(c)

Uff-da!

Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2021 03:21 PM (0E0In)

205 Helicopter crashes onto the interstate in Baton Rouge.

https://www.itemfix.com/v?t=rvo68p
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 16, 2021 03:16 PM (FVME7)

So, it fell apart in the sky.

I'd probably fire the mechanic and be extra dutiful on the pre-flight checks from now on. If I were still alive that is.

Posted by: clutch cargo - processed in a facility that may contain lead at December 16, 2021 03:21 PM (wAnMi)

206 164 The Democrats have a bare 5 seat majority in the House, and are a minority in the Senate, and yet they push hard with every trick they can think of for what they promised their constituents.

I wish we had a party like that.

Posted by: G'rump928(c)

The Republicans in Washington represent the Chamber of Commerce and big campaign donors, not mere voters. The Medical/Pharma industry was a big reason that Obamacare was not rolled back--the gush of federal money would be stopped to that industry.

If they were to be active legislatively, it would not be to your liking. So, Republicans, absent getting rid of large numbers of officeholders, are essentially King Log.

The Democrats are King Stork--they are active but a majority of people hate what they do and elect King Log to stop it. Thus the ratchet moves ever leftward.

Posted by: whig at December 16, 2021 03:21 PM (9hXN1)

207 FIRST!!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 16, 2021 03:21 PM (Zz0t1)

208 Patricia Karvelas
@PatsKarvelas
One of the new romantic things me and my partner do every morning is rapid test eachother for #COVID19 this pandemic just keeps on giving
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 16, 2021 03:21 PM (FVME7)

These people need exterminated.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at December 16, 2021 03:21 PM (gEfRI)

209 You would think our one time Republican Congress would pass some basic federal election integrity laws.
Posted by: Blago at December 16, 2021 03:20 PM (FWyGR)

They won't because our side's elections are just as dirty.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at December 16, 2021 03:21 PM (wmDcS)

210 "Big Meats gone crazy with their gouging"

Well Big MEAT tends to gouge everything in it's path when it goes crazy

Posted by: John Holmes at December 16, 2021 03:22 PM (mR6Gs)

211 185
AOC probably checks her phone during sex.

Sinema hands it to you and shows you how to turn on the camera app.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at December 16, 2021 03:19 PM

It's probably best if AOC has her face buried in her phone, pillow, or feedbag.

Posted by: Charlie Sheen, sexpert at December 16, 2021 03:22 PM (JCZqz)

212 Rifle girl? They have a name for it?

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 16, 2021 03:22 PM (R8uWY)

213 I'll grant that AOC was nice looking when she was smiling and dancing in college. But she's quickly becoming a washed up angry old hag.

Posted by: ... at December 16, 2021 03:22 PM (K+rMi)

214 Posted by: raimondo at December 16, 2021 03:21 PM (TAKsI)

=========

Punish them as much as the Fulton County workers who fed the same ballots through the machines multiple times did.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 16, 2021 03:22 PM (LvTSG)

215 Rifle girl? They have a name for it?
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at December 16, 2021 03:22 PM (R8uWY)

I do.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at December 16, 2021 03:23 PM (wmDcS)

216 Cool. There will be a live action Halo series in 2022:

https://tinyurl.com/wdujmmtv

Posted by: Sharkman at December 16, 2021 03:23 PM (j9CjA)

217 I freely confess that chunky works for me.

But c'mon, political misgivings and physical flaws aside, the choice is a binary one. I think most morons would end up owing 18 years of child support if left alone with Sinema long enough.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 16, 2021 03:23 PM (QU5/8)

218 199 Damn, the whole rotor assembly came down separately.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at December 16, 2021 03:19 PM (dfRN6)

They lost the Jesus Nut?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 16, 2021 03:20 PM (yQpMk)

I've known a few Jesus nuts in my day.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw at December 16, 2021 03:23 PM (II3Gr)

219 One of the new romantic things me and my partner do every morning is rapid test eachother for #COVID19 this pandemic just keeps on giving
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 16, 2021 03:21 PM (FVME7)

Eww

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 16, 2021 03:23 PM (eGTCV)

220 Remember the original purpose of the Filibuster was to end debate. As in we have heard enough, you are just repeating yourselves, let's have a vote.

Of course, men being men, we perverted it to let's keep talking and talking and talking to prevent this bill from being passed. Remember the segregationists talking for hours and hours to prevent passage of civil rights bills?

Then we further perverted it so fat lazy old senators don't even need to stand up and talk all night to delay passage. Now the Senate Leaders can declare a Filibuster, vote on it, and if there are not 60 votes for it, the bill just vanishes. No lengthy debates, no tough floor fights. The will of the leadership is done.

Posted by: rd at December 16, 2021 03:23 PM (Z32m1)

221 Piss off, racist foreign weirdo.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 16, 2021 03:23 PM (yQpMk)

222 It can be un-shelved in an instant. That zombie won't be truly dead until 2023.
Posted by: Muad'dib at December 16, 2021 03:12 PM (sjdRT)

Technically yes, but... they really needed to pass this within the first 6 months of Biden's term, they all knew that. They knew that McConnell and Co. wanted to pass the Infrastructure bill, so they wasted 3 or 4 months playing games with linking the two until that all fell apart. Now - higher inflation reports are coming weekly, and the more people find out about what's in the BBB, the more they hate it. The chances for passing it are getting less and less each week, which is why putting it off for a month or two is fatal.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 16, 2021 03:24 PM (trdmm)

223 Punish them as much as the Fulton County workers who fed the same ballots through the machines multiple times did.

--

just more two tier humiliation rituals.

We want tighter immigration control so the deep state deported some polish doctor whose been here since 1980.

we want tougher law enforcement and they only arrest ppl who fight back. We want fair vote counting and they find these seniors.

Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 16, 2021 03:24 PM (ZZK0E)

224 Damn, the whole rotor assembly came down separately.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo
Jeesh. No chance for the pilot. The mechanic was just explaining that torque specs are for pxssies?

Posted by: MikeM at December 16, 2021 03:24 PM (rhowD)

225 Pilot dead. Hard to walk away from that crash. No auto rotation into ground.

Posted by: NaCly Dog (u82oZ) at December 16, 2021 03:24 PM (u82oZ)

226 They won't because our side's elections are just as dirty.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile

I don't believe that for a minute.

To be fair, all sorts of Republican created bills on this get shut down by some liberal judge that thinks black people are too stupid to pull out a driver's license.

Posted by: Blago at December 16, 2021 03:24 PM (FWyGR)

227 Psaki wants to go after big meat because she thinks that's why the afro came to be.

She'll never go back once she's gone......

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 16, 2021 03:25 PM (Zz0t1)

228 228 Psaki wants to go after big meat because she thinks that's why the afro came to be.

She'll never go back once she's gone......
Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 16, 2021 03:25 PM (Zz0t1)

You're saying Psaki is going to work for BBC?

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw at December 16, 2021 03:26 PM (II3Gr)

229 Patricia Karvelas
@PatsKarvelas
One of the new romantic things me and my partner do every morning is rapid test eachother for #COVID19 this pandemic just keeps on giving
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 16, 2021 03:21 PM (FVME7)

Unless "COVID rapid test" is lesser-known slang for morning oral decadence, this marriage is deader than slices of Joe Biden's brain.

Posted by: Thrawn at December 16, 2021 03:26 PM (Rl7KJ)

230 Posted by: raimondo at December 16, 2021 03:21 PM (TAKsI)

good. and just further proof that all the votes need a full auditing and review to ensure all votes are accurate and correct and legal.

can't let those dastardly trumpkins steal the vote again...

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at December 16, 2021 03:26 PM (8D42x)

231 Cool. There will be a live action Halo series in 2022:

https://tinyurl.com/wdujmmtv
Posted by: Sharkman at December 16, 2021 03:23 PM (j9CjA)

I'm not looking forward to it. I expect it to be a disaster.

Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at December 16, 2021 03:26 PM (wmDcS)

232 One of the new romantic things me and my partner do every morning is rapid test eachother for #COVID19 this pandemic just keeps on giving

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these branch covidians are wild!

Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 16, 2021 03:26 PM (ZZK0E)

233 @202

I enjoy being white and a guy.

What else you got, moby?

Posted by: naturalfake at December 16, 2021 03:26 PM (OMayC)

234 One of the new romantic things me and my partner do every morning is rapid test eachother for #COVID19 this pandemic just keeps on giving

This is the anal swab test, yes?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 16, 2021 03:27 PM (yQpMk)

235 I'm not looking forward to it. I expect it to be a disaster.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at December 16, 2021 03:26 PM (wmDcS)

Will it last longer than the live action version of Cowboy Bebop? We'll have to find out.

Posted by: Thrawn at December 16, 2021 03:27 PM (Rl7KJ)

236 I'll grant that AOC was nice looking when she was smiling and dancing in college. But she's quickly becoming a washed up angry old hag.
Posted by: ... at December 16, 2021 03:22 PM (K+rMi)

When the inside evil surfaces.......

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 16, 2021 03:27 PM (Zz0t1)

237 232 Cool. There will be a live action Halo series in 2022:

https://tinyurl.com/wdujmmtv
Posted by: Sharkman at December 16, 2021 03:23 PM (j9CjA)

I'm not looking forward to it. I expect it to be a disaster.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at December 16, 2021 03:26 PM (wmDcS)

I'll watch if there are gratuitous shower scenes of Cortana. Otherwise, meh.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw at December 16, 2021 03:27 PM (II3Gr)

238 How many times did Raimondo vote in the last election?

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 16, 2021 03:27 PM (eGTCV)

239 Mickey Roarke's entirely reconstructed plastic face fights demons in WW2, in:

https://tinyurl.com/War-Hunt

Posted by: Sharkman at December 16, 2021 03:27 PM (j9CjA)

240 Damn, the whole rotor assembly came down separately.
Posted by: Zombie Robbo the Llama Butcher at December 16, 2021 03:19 PM (dfRN6)

They lost the Jesus Nut?
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 16, 2021 03:20 PM (yQpMk)

Safety Wire is your friend.

Posted by: rd at December 16, 2021 03:27 PM (Z32m1)

241 I'll have to send Sinema a fruit basket

Posted by: HoosierDaddy at December 16, 2021 03:27 PM (9Lzms)

242 Wouldn't Yoda have said: "Another . . . there is!"?

Posted by: Sharkman at December 16, 2021 03:27 PM (j9CjA)

243 201
Patricia Karvelas
@PatsKarvelas
One of the new romantic things me and my partner do every morning is rapid test eachother for #COVID19 this pandemic just keeps on giving
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks Now With Pumpkin Spice! at December 16, 2021 03:21 PM

My partner got a great deal on an older version of the test, so it's not too expensive, either! Weird, though, that I have to have my eyes closed for the test. It uses a really thick swab that has to vigorously and repeatedly deep swab my throat. Leaves a bad tasting residue, too, but it's worth it to know I'm safe, and my partner is really supportive!

Posted by: Patricia Karvelas at December 16, 2021 03:27 PM (JCZqz)

244
You're saying Psaki is going to work for BBC?
Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw at December 16, 2021 03:26 PM (II3Gr)

CORRECT!!!!

Posted by: Sponge - Saying Jackson Sparks at December 16, 2021 03:27 PM (Zz0t1)

245 243 Wouldn't Yoda have said: "Another . . . there is!"?
Posted by: Sharkman at December 16, 2021 03:27 PM (j9CjA)

Mangle syntax always he did not.

Posted by: Insomniac - Outlaw at December 16, 2021 03:28 PM (II3Gr)

246 Cool. There will be a live action Halo series in 2022:

https://tinyurl.com/wdujmmtv
Posted by: Sharkman at December 16, 2021 03:23 PM (j9CjA)

Have you seen what Hollywood does to properties? I wouldn't expect much. Master Chief will be a non-binary otherkin female of non-pallor.

Posted by: WiNO - Now Fortified with Fraud at December 16, 2021 03:28 PM (EpDzw)

247 I think most morons would end up owing 18 years of child support if left alone with Sinema long enough.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 16, 2021 03:23 PM (QU5/

can't owe if you've been snipped... lol

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at December 16, 2021 03:28 PM (8D42x)

248 Several triple-vaccinated staffers infected with Covid following BuzzFeed's Holiday party in NYC - with mask rules & vaccination cards entry.

Posted by: Mark1971 at December 16, 2021 03:28 PM (xPl2J)

249 I'll have to send Sinema a fruit basket
Posted by: HoosierDaddy at December 16, 2021 03:27 PM (9Lzms)

A summer sausage platter.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 16, 2021 03:28 PM (yQpMk)

250 243 Wouldn't Yoda have said: "Another . . . there is!"?
Posted by: Sharkman at December 16, 2021 03:27 PM (j9CjA)

In Ruin Johnson's version, yes, but in Empire, Yoda didn't swap around *all* his sentences.

Posted by: Thrawn at December 16, 2021 03:29 PM (Rl7KJ)

251 Though, honestly, I don't know if the GOP will do this very often. They're cowards and most of them are liberals anyway, who collude with the Democrats to make sure liberal policy preferences always prevail, while they pretend to oppose them.
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Yeah. Deep state uniparty. They plan is that the filibuster will only be overriden when the deep state wants.

So apparently she's not deep state not compromised by blackmail and neither is Manchin. Which seems hard to believe about Manchin. But, well, there it is.

Posted by: So two democrats are telling the deep state to Eat a bag of D onuts at December 16, 2021 03:29 PM (utsbQ)

252 Cool. There will be a live action Halo series in 2022:

https://tinyurl.com/wdujmmtv
Posted by: Sharkman at December 16, 2021 03:23 PM (j9CjA)

I'm not looking forward to it. I expect it to be a disaster.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile

This calls for some music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jXTBAGv9ZQ

Posted by: Bozo Conservative...Living on the Prison Planet at December 16, 2021 03:29 PM (vcOmj)

253 The filibuster rules came about because the Senate was a VERY small body when instituted, only 26 at first plus a VP. Soon, the Senators told the VP John Adams to butt out trying to run the Senate and because the numbers were so small and the workload light, they allowed unlimited debate which required everyone to agree to limit debate. Eventually, as the Senate grew, unlimited debate was limited during WWI (1917) by adopting Rule 12 which was at first 67 present and voting and then later in the 70's changed to 60 votes period.

Posted by: whig at December 16, 2021 03:29 PM (9hXN1)

254 NEW - Several triple-vaccinated staffers infected with #COVID19 following BuzzFeed's Holiday party in NYC - with mask rules & vaccination cards entry.

https://bit.ly/3sk8R4e

Yet all the Branch Covidians insist that you're a selfish fuck who wants to murder grandma if you don't triple vax and mask up. If you ask for proof these acts will prevent Covid infection, they act like you're asking them to prove 1 + 1 = 2.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 16, 2021 03:29 PM (sG4Hj)

255 Notice the woke language under the helicopter crash video:

"The pilot was killed in the crash. They were the only person on board."

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at December 16, 2021 03:29 PM (sWM8x)

256 Sinema would rank as a Top 5 GOP Senator, which is seriously fucked up. Wish Mitch was paying attention.

Posted by: Goliad's Ghosts at December 16, 2021 03:29 PM (QZ/dC)

257 Sinema would rank as a Top 5 GOP Senator, which is seriously fucked up. Wish Mitch was paying attention.
Posted by: Goliad's Ghosts at December 16, 2021 03:29 PM (QZ/dC)

he is, why else you think he's prepping to pump money in to AZ?

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at December 16, 2021 03:31 PM (8D42x)

258 I'm not looking forward to it. I expect it to be a disaster.
Posted by: Colorado Alex in Exile at December 16, 2021 03:26 PM (wmDcS)

Master Chief will take off his helmet and turn out to be Rachel Levine.

Posted by: Tom Servo at December 16, 2021 03:31 PM (trdmm)

259 I think most morons would end up owing 18 years of child support if left alone with Sinema long enough.

It would have to be a long time and a lot of booze. I don't find her attractive at all.

But then again, considering my current track record. . .

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 16, 2021 03:31 PM (2JVJo)

260 NEW - Several triple-vaccinated staffers infected with #COVID19 following BuzzFeed's Holiday party in NYC - with mask rules & vaccination cards entry.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 16, 2021 03:29 PM (sG4Hj)

lol, damned anti-vaxxers strike again.

Posted by: flounder at December 16, 2021 03:31 PM (SH2Zi)

261 What else you got, moby?
Posted by: naturalfake

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can someone do a wellness check on this guy?

Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 16, 2021 03:31 PM (ZZK0E)

262 There is probably a lot more than covid being spread at a Buzzfeed party.

Posted by: Mark1971 at December 16, 2021 03:31 PM (xPl2J)

263 > There will be a live action Halo series in 2022

The cool part of Halo is almost story free. This will be like The Talking Dead where it gets old about halfway through season 1 and the rest is just a talking soap opera with a different backdrop.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 16, 2021 03:31 PM (sG4Hj)

264 255 Yet all the Branch Covidians insist that you're a selfish fuck who wants to murder grandma if you don't triple vax and mask up. If you ask for proof these acts will prevent Covid infection, they act like you're asking them to prove 1 + 1 = 2.
Posted by: bonhomme at December 16, 2021 03:29 PM (sG4Hj)

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This is because Mississippi isn't vaccinated!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 16, 2021 03:31 PM (LvTSG)

265 249 Several triple-vaccinated staffers infected with Covid following BuzzFeed's Holiday party in NYC - with mask rules & vaccination cards entry.
Posted by: Mark1971 at December 16, 2021 03:28 PM (xPl2J)

They must have been undercover Republicans who had faked vax-papers and defective masks (on purpose), because it's only them who are suffering from COVID now as per my witless peers.

Posted by: Thrawn at December 16, 2021 03:32 PM (Rl7KJ)

266 Fuck off, weirdo.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 16, 2021 03:33 PM (yQpMk)

267 and yet they push hard with every trick they can think of for what they promised their constituents.

I wish we had a party like that.
Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 16, 2021 03:15 PM

Change constituents to donors or elite masters, and we're your huckleberry.

Posted by: GOPe at December 16, 2021 03:33 PM (a3Q+t)

268 Posted by: raimondo at December 16, 2021 03:32 PM (TAKsI)

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Punish them as much as much as the counters in Philly illegally denied Republican watchers from observing the count were punished.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 16, 2021 03:33 PM (LvTSG)

269 257 Sinema would rank as a Top 5 GOP Senator, which is seriously fucked up. Wish Mitch was paying attention.
Posted by: Goliad's Ghosts at December 16, 2021 03:29 PM

I'm paying attention! I'll wear thigh high boots, big glasses, a corset and a riding crop if you think it will help!

Posted by: Lindsay Graham at December 16, 2021 03:33 PM (JCZqz)

270 Agreed. She is way better than Jeff Flake.
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This. And she knows how to throw a punch.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 16, 2021 03:33 PM (4vi12)

271 Rainmando's on board for election integrity now? I shan't believe it. I simply shan not.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at December 16, 2021 03:34 PM (sWM8x)

272 Then we further perverted it so fat lazy old senators don't even need to stand up and talk all night to delay passage. Now the Senate Leaders can declare a Filibuster, vote on it, and if there are not 60 votes for it, the bill just vanishes. No lengthy debates, no tough floor fights. The will of the leadership is done.

Posted by: rd

Not true, you can under senate rules eventually talk out the opposing party by exhausting all debate. That was how the Civil Rights Act was passed over a filibuster.

But, if the Senate only works 3 day weeks on the floor, not so much as the time required would be weeks. The old filibuster rule from 1917 to the 70's was actually more effective in some ways as it prevented actions that the minority was adamantly opposed to but on other actions, if the senators opposing it were not present and voting, the number of votes needed dropped quite a bit. They worked longer weeks on the floor and could also exhaust debate on important issues.

Posted by: whig at December 16, 2021 03:34 PM (9hXN1)

273 This. And she knows how to throw a punch.
Posted by: Puddin Head at December 16, 2021 03:33 PM (4vi12)

I like to imagine she would jiggle like a stoat.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at December 16, 2021 03:34 PM (yQpMk)

274 But then again, considering my current track record

It's this kind of can-do spirit that insures humanity's future. You're practically a humanitarian.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 16, 2021 03:34 PM (QU5/8)

275
Well, Sinema is a Senator. So, if I were left alone with her with any period of time, I'd be in some serious trouble. Whole hell of a lot worse than some child support payments.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at December 16, 2021 03:35 PM (2ABQr)

276 US jobless claims rise but still historically low at 206,000

Jobless claims rose by 18,000 to a 206,000, still low by historical standards. The four-week average, which smooths out week-to-week volatility, fell by 16,000 to less than 204,000, the lowest level since mid-November 1969 when the American job market was less than half the size it is now, according Department of Labor figures released Thursday.

Altogether, 1.8 million Americans were receiving traditional jobless benefits the week that ended Dec. 4, down by 154,000 from the previous week.
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Where did all the people go?

Posted by: The rapture of the unemployed at December 16, 2021 03:35 PM (wBdAd)

277 Androids running amok in . . .

https://tinyurl.com/Mother-Android

Posted by: Sharkman at December 16, 2021 03:35 PM (j9CjA)

278 Rainmando's on board for election integrity now? I shan't believe it. I simply shan not.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at December 16, 2021 03:34 PM (sWM8x)

first kurt talking sense about banning seat belt laws, and now rainmando pushing for voting integrity...

is it opposite day or something and i didn't get the letter?

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at December 16, 2021 03:35 PM (8D42x)

279 NEW - Several triple-vaccinated staffers infected with #COVID19 following BuzzFeed's Holiday party in NYC - with mask rules & vaccination cards entry.

Posted by: bonhomme at December 16, 2021 03:29 PM (sG4Hj)

The NHL is having a real "outbreak" right now (If you count positive tests with no hospitalizations and few symptoms as an outbreak), and all but one of their players is vaccinated, and they have had distancing, masking, and travel protocols in place all season.

So what do they do? Enhanced protocols!

I'm living in Crazy World.

Posted by: Wally at December 16, 2021 03:35 PM (FJYfm)

280 Jeff Flake is now the Ambassador to Turkey IIRC.

Good luck to him dodging future unrest, as Erdo is battling the lira's inflation by having the Turkish central bank cut rates lower and Erdo's pushing to punish "hoarders". Always a recipe for success.

Posted by: Thrawn at December 16, 2021 03:37 PM (Rl7KJ)

281 The NHL is having a real "outbreak" right now (If you count positive tests with no hospitalizations and few symptoms as an outbreak), and all but one of their players is vaccinated, and they have had distancing, masking, and travel protocols in place all season.

So what do they do? Enhanced protocols!

I'm living in Crazy World.
Posted by: Wally at December 16, 2021 03:35 PM (FJYfm)

i STILL think them cutting the attendance levels in canada is just so the toronto and ottawa arenas aren't AS embarrassing on tv....

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at December 16, 2021 03:37 PM (8D42x)

282 The NHL is having a real "outbreak" right now
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So is the NFL, apparently.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at December 16, 2021 03:37 PM (sWM8x)

283 276 But then again, considering my current track record

It's this kind of can-do spirit that insures humanity's future. You're practically a humanitarian.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at December 16, 2021 03:34 PM (QU5/

He lives in Massachusetts. It's safer for humanity not socializing with the opposite sex.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 16, 2021 03:38 PM (NenxG)

284 282 Jeff Flake is now the Ambassador to Turkey IIRC.

Good luck to him dodging future unrest, as Erdo is battling the lira's inflation by having the Turkish central bank cut rates lower and Erdo's pushing to punish "hoarders". Always a recipe for success.
Posted by: Thrawn at December 16, 2021 03:37 PM

Way to go, my fellow tyrant! Make sure to start seizing everyone's gold and other non-fiat reservoirs of wealth!

Posted by: Zombie FDR at December 16, 2021 03:38 PM (JCZqz)

285 All I want for Christmas is Fauci's body floating down the Potomac.

Posted by: Puddin Head at December 16, 2021 03:39 PM (4vi12)

286 "The pilot was killed in the crash. They were the only person on board."

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at December 16, 2021 03:29 PM (sWM8x)

And notice how the language specifically takes the emotion out of the story.

Posted by: ... at December 16, 2021 03:39 PM (K+rMi)

287 Altogether, 1.8 million Americans were receiving traditional jobless benefits the week that ended Dec. 4, down by 154,000 from the previous week.
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Where did all the people go?
Posted by: The rapture of the unemployed

I'm not saying it was aliens, but it was aliens.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2021 03:39 PM (0E0In)

288 I think most morons would end up owing 18 years of child support if left alone with Sinema long enough.

It would have to be a long time and a lot of booze. I don't find her attractive at all.
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Standing next to the other women senators, she hotter than the f'ng SUN. In real life, she'd be pretty hot for a happy hour at Fridays, or Saturday night bowling league. She'd not stand out much in a NYC night club.

Posted by: It all relative, if you were stuck on a desert island with Helen Thomas . . . at December 16, 2021 03:40 PM (2jPAS)

289
Shocking, really.
Because Synema knows she didn't win her last TWO elections. And she knows Mark Kelly just stole his Senate seat with fraudulent ballots.

You'd think she'd like to ram through the Perma-Fraud Voting Scheme for the Democrats.

Posted by: Soothsayer's Untrue But Accurate Tales at December 16, 2021 03:40 PM (6N9eB)

290 is it opposite day or something and i didn't get the letter?
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at December 16, 2021 03:35 PM (8D42x)

The answer to is it opposite day is always no.

Posted by: ... at December 16, 2021 03:40 PM (K+rMi)

291 *checks watch*

Ah, I wondered when our regular dose of "the AZ DNC tries to convince us that Sinema isn't a socialist" would be administered.

Tastes like fruitcake.

Posted by: G. Gnome will not comply at December 16, 2021 03:40 PM (OQcPl)

292 The NHL is having a real "outbreak" right now
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So is the NFL, apparently.
Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at December 16, 2021 03:37 PM (sWM8x)

Yeah, this Omicron is something else! These guys went from perfectly healthy to asymptomatic so fast that they barely noticed!

Posted by: Wally at December 16, 2021 03:40 PM (FJYfm)

293 282 Jeff Flake is now the Ambassador to Turkey IIRC.
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I hope he's keeping his nose clean. I'd hate for him to get thrown into a Turkish prison where nobody's got anything to do but bust you up the pooter 24 hours a day.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis, Domestic Terrorist at December 16, 2021 03:40 PM (sWM8x)

294 283
He lives in Massachusetts. It's safer for humanity not socializing with the opposite sex.
Posted by: moon_over_vermont at December 16, 2021 03:38 PM

In a current-year liberal hell-hole, how can you identify if people belong to the opposite sex when they do their best to confuse the issue?

Posted by: Sane American at December 16, 2021 03:41 PM (JCZqz)

295 103 US Marines Discharged For Refusing Covid Vaccine

https://bit.ly/323Gtc6

The Air Force on Monday discharged 27 people for refusing the Covid vaccine.

A Navy Commander was also fired from his job as the executive officer of a warship for refusing the Covid vaccine.

Commander Lucian Kins was fired last Friday as second in command of the USS Winston Churchill, Navy officials said.

Meanwhile, the Pentagon is actively considering mandating a Covid booster shot for all active servicemembers.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at December 16, 2021 03:41 PM (Do5/p)

296 Jeff Flake is now the Ambassador to Turkey IIRC

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I guess that's his payola for helping Biden with AZ.

I think LDS/Mormon hatred of Trump had more to do with AZ going blue than many people realize.

Posted by: Blago at December 16, 2021 03:42 PM (FWyGR)

297 It is Thursday, shouldn't we be getting horrible news to dishearten us for the whole weekend?
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Fifth Circuit has ruled back the national injunction against the healthcare mandate. It only applies to 24 states now.

Is that enough? Because it certainly ruined my day.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at December 16, 2021 03:42 PM (IytoW)

298 nood inflation

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 16, 2021 03:42 PM (LvTSG)

299 I think most morons would end up owing 18 years of child support if left alone with Sinema long enough.

It would have to be a long time and a lot of booze. I don't find her attractive at all.

But then again, considering my current track record. . .
Posted by: Mary Poppins'

Down Dog yoga position, aka, Child Support Position.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 16, 2021 03:42 PM (0E0In)

300 * looks around *

Anyone seen AtC?

Is it ok to crack a short joke or three?

Posted by: Randy Newman at December 16, 2021 03:43 PM (a3Q+t)

301 Yeah, this Omicron is something else! These guys went from perfectly healthy to asymptomatic so fast that they barely noticed!
Posted by: Wally at December 16, 2021 03:40 PM (FJYfm)
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If the initial data hold up, Omicron is the end of this. It's essentially the cold now. It's non-severe in most cases and spreads easily. Delta and the Wuhan prime virus will be killed off by it. It'll rip through the population, kill next to no one and that will be it. It's just another cold floating around.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 16, 2021 03:43 PM (DU+/6)

302 >>>Sinema says she supports the "voting rights" bills on the merits.

Which might be her "failure theater" to the rabid left. " I support it but dang nabbit it's just to dangerous to let filibuster go. Guess it just won't pass without negotiations."

And then she gets to keep her job.

Posted by: mikethemoose at December 16, 2021 03:43 PM (T/vhV)

303 This Asian girl is playing pool while she rolls her eyes at the theatrics from Washington:
https://is.gd/hHJVOH

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at December 16, 2021 03:44 PM (DU+/6)

304 This Asian girl is playing pool while she rolls her eyes at the theatrics from Washington:

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mama mia...spicy egg roll

Posted by: Tim Riggins at December 16, 2021 03:46 PM (ZZK0E)

305 296 Jeff Flake is now the Ambassador to Turkey IIRC
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I guess that's his payola for helping Biden with AZ.
Posted by: Blago at December 16, 2021 03:42 PM

Germany, Australia, Japan...those might be nice reward ambassador positions. Turkey seems more like a punishment. Place is a borderline shithole, you'll never get credit for accomplishing something, and there's a high chance the place becomes an issue, and you get associated with it.

Posted by: Gov't employee at December 16, 2021 03:47 PM (JCZqz)

306 The cool part of Halo is almost story free. This will be like The Talking Dead where it gets old about halfway through season 1 and the rest is just a talking soap opera with a different backdrop.

Posted by: bonhomme

I've always enjoyed the Red vs. Blue series, by Rooster Teeth. Uses the Halo world for hilarity and drama.

Posted by: Sharkman at December 16, 2021 03:48 PM (j9CjA)

307 is it opposite day or something and i didn't get the letter?
Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at December 16, 2021 03:35 PM (8D42x)

The answer to is it opposite day is always no.
Posted by: ... at December 16, 2021 03:40 PM (K+rMi)

iswydt

*nasty side eye at ...

-_-

Posted by: SturmToddler (8D42x) at December 16, 2021 03:48 PM (8D42x)

308 And every time they collude to engineer a Democrat victory, they immediately send you fundraising letters that say "By gum, we were outfoxed again! Gee willickers how does this keep on happening?! Please send us $100 so that we can buy better Brain Medicine so that the next time we will be better prepared to Fight For You."

I wouldn't care if they were successful 100% of the time on everything they did. That's. Their. Job. They're not getting any *more* of my money than they already take from me in taxes to pay their salaries. No politician should ever be asking me for my money for anything. If they're successful, good, that's their job. If they're unsuccessful, what makes them think I'm going reward their failure with a donation? They already have my money in the form of their salaries that are paid for with taxpayer dollars. How about they pool their salary money together and use that to spend it on whatever they need to do their jobs.

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at December 16, 2021 03:49 PM (Do5/p)

309
Fifth Circuit has ruled back the national injunction against the healthcare mandate. It only applies to 24 states now.

Is that enough? Because it certainly ruined my day.
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The Fifth Circuit noted that the government is likely to prevail on limiting the scope of the nationwide injunction, and as such, the appellate court stayed the injunction with respect to jurisdictions outside of the 14 states included in the lawsuit. In other words, although the CMS Rule is still halted in the 14 states that brought the lawsuit in Louisiana, and in the other 10 states that are part of the Missouri lawsuit, for everywhere else, the injunction is lifted. If you state didn't sue, then you aren't covered.

Posted by: Blue state wastelands at December 16, 2021 03:50 PM (6+rSe)

310 5 This is failure theater for their base.

"With a truly progressive Congress, we can secure voting rights for all illegal immigrants in 2023! Donate today! 15x matching through Friday! You will die if you don't donate at least $5!"
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, John Ford goes to war at December 16, 2021 02:42 PM (LvTSG)

That's my read on the situation. The Democrats are running scared at the moment, and they're aiming to avoid an even worse shellacking than the one in the cards for 2022. Sinema is in a red-ish state, so this will only make her more popular. Democrats in blue states, who don't want to get rid of the filibuster, and don't want to be blamed for the next 20 years of inflation, can do the same "Aww, shucks, we tried" routine the Republicans do every time it happens on our side.

As Ace pointed out when Obamacare didn't get repealed, the filibuster is a tool for the party in power, because it allows them to refrain from making politically self destructive moves and to placate the base at the same time. To vote against something while actually voting for it, and vice versa.

Posted by: Ace's liver at December 16, 2021 03:52 PM (wGeit)

311 Being a suck up long enough in the Democrat party will get you a good do nothing job in a nice place you would pay for a vacation

Posted by: Skip at December 16, 2021 03:56 PM (2JoB8)

312 Do it!!! One Vote? The GOP will go ballistic when they take office in 2022.

Posted by: joseph w dagostino at December 16, 2021 04:08 PM (ENUyO)

313 °

Posted by: Braenyard, in the yard at December 16, 2021 07:39 PM (xcd1u)

314 ©

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