The Watering Down Of Tradition Is A Powerful Tool Of The Progressive Movement

From "Merry Christmas" to "Happy Holidays" seems like a small step, but it is a hugely significant one. The step from a clear recognition of a religious holiday for Christians has morphed into a generic salutation that is, on the face of it, intended to be more inclusive, but in reality is dismissive of 2,000 years of Christian faith and practice. Easter is no longer the celebration of Christ's resurrection; it is Easter eggs and chocolate bunnies and an excuse for employee-pricing sales at the local car dealership.

What is even worse is when the destruction of tradition comes from within. Last night was the first night of Passover, a hugely important Jewish holiday that traces its origins to the first century and Rabbi Gamaleiel II. Passover is at its simplest a time to remember 400 years of slavery at the hands of the Egyptian Pharaohs and our freeing from bondage by God.

Our freedom from bondage. Not Gypsies or Incas or Senegalese Muslims or Australian Aborigines or Huguenots. While there is room for the extrapolation of the Passover message of a desire for freedom to others, that is not its intended purpose. But there is a powerful faction within Judaism that wants to do exactly that, morph Judaism into some sort of universalist pablum fit for consumption everywhere.

Of course that leads ultimately to the destruction of Judaism as a religion, and the destruction of Jews as a people.

This quotation, from a rather disjointed and, frankly crappy Haggadah* (a written guide for the Seder) demonstrates it rather concisely.

On this Seder night we remember with tenderness the millions of our own people, and those of all nationalities and faiths, who only yesterday were mercilessly crushed by a tyrant more wicked than the Pharaoh who enslaved our fathers in Egypt. The blameless and the pure -- men, women, children -- did they annihilate in chambers of fire, factories of death. [Emphasis mine]

Of course we should recognize that Jewish suffering is not unique among nations, but the Holocaust was in fact unique, and extrapolating it to others does a disservice to all.

The Seder is a Jewish religious service. There is nothing untoward or disrespectful to recognize that and keep its focus on Judaism and the Jewish people. By including others in the recognition of the suffering of the past, the writers of this paragraph seek to expand Judaism into some twisted understanding of "Tikkun Olam," which is the Jewish concept of improving the world, but has been twisted by the progressives within Judaism to mean whatever they wish it to mean, as long as it waters down tradition and weakens the 3,000 year old bonds that have kept Judaism and Jews alive, against all nations and all odds.

They are globalists, and they seek to create one world, one mushy and watered down religion, and not a smidgen of individuality among its people.

* I am in the process of writing my own, thanks to a suggestion from our departed commenter (and friend) ibguy.

Posted by: CBD at 12:00 PM

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1 Logging in

Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2021 12:02 PM (Cxk7w)

2 Trashing tradition is the goal, and replace all with Leftism.

Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2021 12:04 PM (Cxk7w)

3 Festivus!

Posted by: BignJames at March 28, 2021 12:06 PM (AwYPR)

4 watering down is a watered down description of what the left does

they turn things completely upside down, like gay marriage

their goal is create so much confusion that everyone agrees to a new set of rules

they hate the US Constitution

Posted by: REDACTED at March 28, 2021 12:06 PM (6iURM)

5 You can lead people to the thread, but you can't make them comment

Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2021 12:06 PM (Cxk7w)

6 The application of collectivism is our downfall.

Posted by: navybrat, a fan of individual liberty at March 28, 2021 12:07 PM (w7KSn)

7 Leftism has been at destroying religion since the French Revolution

Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2021 12:07 PM (Cxk7w)

8 Present. Not digging the direction of the country.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at March 28, 2021 12:09 PM (3H9h1)

9 one global government in the end, but till then they work at one PC religion (global warming, no real gender, white privilege, etc.) ... The infiltration of Christianity (fake pope Francis) and apparently Judaism is offensive enemy action. ... BigTech and Shadow Gov have united on demanding we comply.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 28, 2021 12:10 PM (Cus5s)

10 Look Fat, the only thing you need to be worshipping is the state! You want to make your choice of where you're going to gather, and who you're going to gather with? We'll tell you when and where you can gather, and depending on your message, whether we'll let you say that or not.
Now, bake that cake.

Posted by: Slow Joe Biden at March 28, 2021 12:10 PM (e8LQ4)

11 It occurs to me that one needs to have a deep sense of purpose to be able to maintain traditions in this day and age. It is not enough to engage inn the activity, one needs to know why the activity is important in order to defend it.

So many outside agencies work against tradition.

It take a strong person/institution to withstand these attacks.

Posted by: browndog at March 28, 2021 12:11 PM (BgMrQ)

12 Unhappy people hate everyone and everything and enjoy telling other people how to live.

All democrats, leftists, commies, marxists and their fellow travelers are unhappy people.

I hate democrats, leftists, commies, marxists and all their fellow travelers and I am happy doing so.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 28, 2021 12:11 PM (R/m4+)

13 MATZO BALL SOUP SHIT MY PANTS!

Posted by: Joe Biden at March 28, 2021 12:12 PM (vCrRy)

14 Leftism is incremental and insidious in its evil. It's also relentless so you can never let your guard down. Not for a minute.

Posted by: Pete Seria at March 28, 2021 12:12 PM (jyd01)

15 BigTech and Shadow Gov have united on demanding we comply.
Posted by: illiniwek at March 28, 2021 12:10 PM (Cus5s)

------

I aim to misbehave.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at March 28, 2021 12:12 PM (kTF2Z)

16 I would strongly advocate for a watered down leftism.

Specifically, to hold their heads under water for as long as it takes.

Glubglub, futhermuckinghamster*uckers!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 28, 2021 12:13 PM (QzJWU)

17 ibguy is departed?

Posted by: grammie winger at March 28, 2021 12:13 PM (45fpk)

18 Look at the recent story of getting California school kids into ancient Inca religion.

Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2021 12:14 PM (Cxk7w)

19 I have two books that relate to the Passover. One is on the varying Feasts of Judaism. One is called something like "Seeing Easter through the Eyes of the Passover", or something similar. Both were packed up when we moved last summer and are still in a box. Somewhere.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 28, 2021 12:15 PM (45fpk)

20
Yeah, the dilution of belief in everything but the state is constant.

On the Christian side of things, you'll often hear:

"Jesus was a great teacher." (usually before attributing something to Jesus that Jesus would never haver agreed with)

Well, yeah. But, if that was all he was, he'd basically be Socrates. And remembered that way.

"Jesus was a great teacher." is usually said in the same voice you'd say to a child, "Why yes, chocolate is a very good ice cream.. But, not the best. There are many good flavors just as good as chocolate."

Posted by: naturalfake at March 28, 2021 12:16 PM (EERbD)

21 ibguy is departed?

Posted by: grammie winger at March 28, 2021 12:13 PM (45fpk)

Yes. Suddenly, last September.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 28, 2021 12:16 PM (Q9lwr)

22 17 ibguy is departed?
Posted by: grammie winger at March 28, 2021 12:13 PM (45fpk)

Last year...can't remember the exact date.

Must have been while you were on hiatus.

Posted by: browndog at March 28, 2021 12:17 PM (BgMrQ)

23 Just surrender the weather machine and all is forgiven. Mostly.

Posted by: Assorted Deep Staters and Commies at March 28, 2021 12:17 PM (W4eKo)

24 Amen CBD.

If you would mind sharing your haggadah when it is finished, I would appreciate a copy.

Posted by: Moki at March 28, 2021 12:18 PM (+X9Vs)

25 On the Christian side of things, you'll often hear:

"Jesus was a great teacher."

Posted by: naturalfake at March 28, 2021 12:16 PM (EERbD)

Exactly. Downplay or even ignore his divinity and suffering, and pretty soon he will be just another guy who lived a long time ago.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 28, 2021 12:19 PM (Q9lwr)

26 Well they aren't entirely wrong; six million Jews and about millions of others were slaughtered by the Nazis. I mean a lot of them were Jews, but around six million Poles in total were killed.

But Jews were definitely the particular and special target of the Nazis and its not wrong to focus on that, particularly for a Jewish ceremony.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 28, 2021 12:19 PM (KZzsI)

27 Yes. Suddenly, last September.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 28, 2021 12:16 PM (Q9lwr)

Oh no! I didn't know. Aww geez.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 28, 2021 12:19 PM (45fpk)

28 I would appreciate a copy.

Posted by: Moki at March 28, 2021 12:18 PM (+X9Vs)

I would be happy to!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 28, 2021 12:19 PM (Q9lwr)

29 Our freedom from bondage...

Freed from a pagan society in order to live as God intended and according to His standards, as opposed to whatever the hell folks choose to make up. Though I guess folks don't want to universalize that part.

Posted by: Methos at March 28, 2021 12:20 PM (kOpft)

30 Some Christian groups talk of Resurrection Sunday, since the term Easter itself sounds too much like facing East, maybe worshipping the rising sun, or whatever pagan god is appeased with very fertile bunnies.

"Easter" is used once in the KJV but I believe it is really the word for passover. Many Christians don't understand Jesus was our passover lamb (but had the princes of this world known the mystery of the one body, the spiritual new "church" ... they would not have crucified the "Lord of Glory".)

Posted by: illiniwek at March 28, 2021 12:20 PM (Cus5s)

31 Ditto on the interest in seeing your finished haggadah, CBD. Props to you for addressing a need.

Posted by: Zeera Hunkering down here, Boss at March 28, 2021 12:20 PM (e4hPI)

32 Exactly. Downplay or even ignore his divinity and suffering, and pretty soon he will be just another guy who lived a long time ago.

Pastors are big on downplaying sin now too. They talk about how things are "broken" and Jesus came to fix things.

Look at what happened to Christmas? Even Christians mostly focus on SANTA SANTA SANTA jesus SANTA SANTA SANTA SANTA SANTA SANTA SANTA. Easter is about bunnies and eggs, not a risen and triumphant Christ.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 28, 2021 12:21 PM (KZzsI)

33 ...the 3,000 year old bonds that have kept Judaism and Jews alive, against all nations and all odds.

This is an incredibly powerful statement.
I was asked once "Why the Jews?"
My answer was "why not?" God had to pick some group to be the Chosen People that He would use to tell his story. He chose the Jews. And because of those bonds, that story remains today. Incredible really.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 28, 2021 12:22 PM (axyOa)

34
I would be happy to!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 28, 2021 12:19 PM (Q9lwr)

Thanks, CBD! You are the best!!

Posted by: Moki at March 28, 2021 12:23 PM (+X9Vs)

35 It is going to be a long process, but I paid particular attention to the Haggadah we used last night, and I found that I was offended more than I was pleased. I am used to my parents' classic conservative Haggadah, but those are no more, and ibguy's suggestion galvanized me!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 28, 2021 12:23 PM (Q9lwr)

36 Easter is about bunnies and eggs, not a risen and triumphant Christ.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 28, 2021 12:21 PM (KZzsI)

And I don't know where the heck that came from.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 28, 2021 12:23 PM (45fpk)

37 They are globalists, and they seek to create one world, one mushy and watered down religion, and not a smidgen of individuality among its people.

In the [very near] future, all religions will be Taco Bell.

Posted by: Count de Monet Super de Duper Straight at March 28, 2021 12:24 PM (4I/2K)

38 Good morning, CBD, good morning, Horde.

Posted by: callsign claymore at March 28, 2021 12:26 PM (bPb7p)

39
And I don't know where the heck that came from.
Posted by: grammie winger at March 28, 2021 12:23 PM (45fpk)

I think it's a combination of purveyors of easter grass and jelly beans and secularists who are jealous of spiritual holidays and demand that they be watered down so that they don't offend said secularists.

Too many believers complied, thinking that it would win the secularists over to pursue a knowledge of Christ. They chose...poorly.

Posted by: Moki at March 28, 2021 12:28 PM (+X9Vs)

40 Last year, where I work, the company wished people a happy and joyous Eid when Eid came around, and a happy holidays when Christmas came around. Someone pointed that out to HR. There was no official response. I'd like to think things will be different this year, but we'll see.

Posted by: Wally at March 28, 2021 12:28 PM (e8LQ4)

41 A smile on a dog?

Posted by: Cicero Kaboom! Kid at March 28, 2021 12:29 PM (n/szn)

42 ..In the [very near] future, all religions will be Taco Bell. Posted by: Count de Monet Super de Duper Straight at March 28, 2021 12:24 PM (4I/2K)

And here all this time, I thought Taco Bell was the Mexican Telephone Company? *whodathunkit?*

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 28, 2021 12:29 PM (QzJWU)

43 I love this blog. Insom and his tire iron is just icing on the cake.

Posted by: Jmel at March 28, 2021 12:29 PM (bVhJi)

44 My church started to do an Easter Egg hunt on Easter Sunday. "its fun for the kids!" who cares?? It confuses and distracts them from the point of Easter.

Its fun for me to roll around naked in an oiled up wading pool with college cheerleaders, but that doesn't mean we should be doing it at church.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 28, 2021 12:29 PM (KZzsI)

45 grammie, the bunnies and eggs are pagan fertility symbols. Bunnies is Ostara / German, eggs is old school Babylonian.

Posted by: callsign claymore at March 28, 2021 12:31 PM (bPb7p)

46
Palm Sunday is the grimmest, most frightening Sunday in the liturgical calendar. All the statues (except the Stations of the Cross) and the Crucifix are covered. No Prayers Before the Altar in the Mass. No Credo. The very long Passion According to St. Matthew for the Gospel. I feel we're walking into the pit of Hell before the joy of Easter Sunday.

Happy Passover to our Jewish Hordians!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 28, 2021 12:31 PM (mht8P)

47 Another thing ... Jesus was dead for three days and three nights, died at sunset Wednesday, and rose at sunset on what we call Saturday night. Practicing Jews (maybe most Jews, idk) realize the olden "days" ended, and began at sunset, and the Sabbath is Saturday (begins Friday evening). ... "It is Finished" was at sunset (not sure why they did the "Good Friday" thing, except to better fit it into a weekend maybe - probably some pagan compromise on that as well, idk)

Posted by: illiniwek at March 28, 2021 12:31 PM (Cus5s)

48 Tikkun Olam now means trash the West.

Posted by: CN at March 28, 2021 12:32 PM (ONvIw)

49 I have been objecting to the use of the word "holocaust" for anything other than the Holocaust for years. Well meaning people talk about the Holocaust of abortion. But they miss an important distinction: the women who abort their babies were not driven out of their houses by armed soldiers, then forced at gunpoint to abort their babies. (Unless, of course, you are referring to the forced abortions in China.) Yes, the mutual slaughter of the Hutus and Tutsis many years ago was horrible, but again does not meet the conditions of the Holocaust. The slaughters were sporadic rather than a nearly decade long constant. Not did either side make extermination of the other side a major goal of their governmants. Nor did either side deprive itself of major assets to kill each other the way the Nazis diverted much needed railroad cars to haul News to death camps. There are many other examples of attempted genocide that simply do not match the Holocaust.

CBD, I think you have a legitimate gripe about the watering down of Passover in order to deny the uniqueness of a specifically Jewish experience.

Posted by: Captain Josepha Sabin, clinging bitterly to a deplorable life at March 28, 2021 12:32 PM (efX5n)

50
Its fun for me to roll around naked in an oiled up wading pool with college cheerleaders, but that doesn't mean we should be doing it at church.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 28, 2021 12:29 PM (KZzsI)

Now, wait a minute. Let's not be too hasty....

Posted by: naturalfake at March 28, 2021 12:32 PM (EERbD)

51 And I don't know where the heck that came from.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 28, 2021 12:23 PM (45fpk)

You didn't get new "Easter Duds" as a kid...there's even a song/film "Easter Parade".

Posted by: BignJames at March 28, 2021 12:33 PM (AwYPR)

52 I saw Very Fertile Bunnies open for Super Furry Animals at Rockplast.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 28, 2021 12:33 PM (63Dwl)

53 18 Look at the recent story of getting California school kids into ancient Inca religion.
Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2021 12:14 PM (Cxk7w)

C'mon man. Have a heart.

Posted by: Justsayin' at March 28, 2021 12:33 PM (Fs5vw)

54 Posted by: Diogenes at March 28, 2021 12:22 PM (axyOa)

You would enjoy Israel!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 28, 2021 12:34 PM (Q9lwr)

55 This is an incredibly powerful statement.
I was asked once "Why the Jews?"

________

How odd of God,
To choose the Jews.
- William Norman Ewer

Not odd of God.
Goyim annoy Him.
- Leo Rosten

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 28, 2021 12:34 PM (mht8P)

56 St. Cadbury is the patron saint of bunnies and eggs.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at March 28, 2021 12:36 PM (vCrRy)

57 >>> 40 Last year, where I work, the company wished people a happy and joyous Eid when Eid came around, and a happy holidays when Christmas came around. Someone pointed that out to HR. There was no official response. I'd like to think things will be different this year, but we'll see.
Posted by: Wally at March 28, 2021 12:28 PM (e8LQ4)

Some other place you may see couple of the Hindu festivals called out by name and scheduled on the calendar, and at the end of the year there's a "Happy Holidays / Season's Greetings" eCard.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at March 28, 2021 12:37 PM (b8eqQ)

58 You would enjoy Israel!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 28, 2021 12:34 PM (Q9lwr)

I bet I would.
One day!

Posted by: Diogenes at March 28, 2021 12:37 PM (axyOa)

59 *sigh*

Posted by: Stale Peeps at March 28, 2021 12:39 PM (W4eKo)

60 grammie, the bunnies and eggs are pagan fertility symbols. Bunnies is Ostara / German, eggs is old school Babylonian.
Posted by: callsign claymore at March 28, 2021 12:31 PM (bPb7p)

Also, they're Spring things in general.

Everything was dead in winter, now there's new life with Spring. Christ was dead. Now he's risen. There's eternal life with Christ.

Very easy to plug into whatever local tradition so the pagans would understand and accept Jesus and Christianity.

Smart marketing as it were.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 28, 2021 12:40 PM (EERbD)

61 From "Merry Christmas" to "Happy Holidays"and now finally to "Have a Safe Holiday."
I hate it.
And the TV messages never say "Happy Passover to the Jewish people" it says "to those who celebrate it."

Posted by: pj at March 28, 2021 12:40 PM (G1dq6)

62 Its fun for me to roll around naked in an oiled up wading pool with college cheerleaders, but that doesn't mean we should be doing it at church.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 28, 2021 12:29 PM (KZzsI)

In the International Reformed Church of Love, Rainbow Flags and Shame No More we do this every other Sunday!

Join us and bring the your own oil please. Your gonna love our line up of male cheerleaders in town this week from Stanford!

Remain blessed!

Posted by: Rev. Jim Jones the 2nd at March 28, 2021 12:41 PM (R/m4+)

63 Wo hui dapo ta
I will break it.

This will help them understand us.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at March 28, 2021 12:41 PM (O8+kc)

64
From "Merry Christmas" to "Happy Holidays"and now finally to "Have a Safe Holiday."
I hate it.

_________

I just say to everyone of whatever color and creed a hearty, "Go to hell!"

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 28, 2021 12:42 PM (mht8P)

65 Everyone will be forced into one religion: that of the State as God.

(at least that is the goal)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 28, 2021 12:42 PM (49Dnm)

66 Next month is Satan Month.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at March 28, 2021 12:43 PM (O8+kc)

67 You can't spell Tikkun without Michael Lerner.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 28, 2021 12:43 PM (63Dwl)

68 Remember: Everything within the state. Nothing outside the state. Nothing against the state.

Posted by: Justsayin' at March 28, 2021 12:45 PM (Fs5vw)

69 Son and family just got back from Mass, he texted in a rage that the priest said Christ's journey through Holy Week and the crucifixion was illustrative of systematic racism and an unfair justice system. Give me Easter bunnies and egg hunts over liberation theology any day.

Posted by: Only Context at March 28, 2021 12:45 PM (xEIoY)

70 today is History Decade.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at March 28, 2021 12:45 PM (O8+kc)

71 Son and family just got back from Mass, he texted in a rage that the priest said Christ's journey through Holy Week and the crucifixion was illustrative of systematic racism and an unfair justice system. Give me Easter bunnies and egg hunts over liberation theology any day.
Posted by: Only Context at March 28, 2021 12:45 PM (xEIoY)

My response would have been, "Yeah, governments have been evil since the dawn of time. Perhaps people shouldn't put their faith in them."

Posted by: Wally at March 28, 2021 12:46 PM (e8LQ4)

72 CBD: Yes.

Posted by: KT at March 28, 2021 12:47 PM (BVQ+1)

73 mainline protestant churches have done the same. went to an easter service a few years ago and there was no mention of jesus dying on the cross for us....

Posted by: jeff at March 28, 2021 12:47 PM (J2JqR)

74 Of course we should recognize that Jewish suffering is not unique among
nations, but the Holocaust was in fact unique, and extrapolating it to
others does a disservice to all.
Yes and...no. Something like the Holocaust is always the eventual result of socialism.

The Soviet Union, Red China, Cambodia, Communist Ethiopia and on and on it always ends in democide.

Posted by: 18-1 at March 28, 2021 12:47 PM (qlFIA)

75 You can't spell Tikkun without Michael Lerner.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 28, 2021 12:43 PM (63Dwl)

He is a fraud at every level.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 28, 2021 12:49 PM (Q9lwr)

76 The Soviet Union, Red China, Cambodia, Communist Ethiopia and on and on it always ends in democide.
Posted by: 18-1 at March 28, 2021 12:47 PM (qlFIA)

ALL worked extremely hard to replace God with the State.

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at March 28, 2021 12:50 PM (49Dnm)

77 Son and family just got back from Mass, he texted in a rage that the priest said Christ's journey through Holy Week and the crucifixion was illustrative of systematic racism and an unfair justice system. Give me Easter bunnies and egg hunts over liberation theology any day.
Posted by: Only Context at March 28, 2021 12:45 PM (xEIoY)

Doesn't anyone stand up in church and point out everything this guy just said is bullshit.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 28, 2021 12:50 PM (2DOZq)

78 the priest said Christ's journey through Holy Week and the crucifixion was illustrative of systematic racism and an unfair justice system

The long, destructive march through all of our institutions is nearly complete.

Posted by: Stale Peeps at March 28, 2021 12:50 PM (W4eKo)

79 The Evil One has always used distractions and dilutions to weaken the faithful. We can point out Easter bunnies and Santa and whatever, but the greatest threat has always been trying to divide Christians and Jews from our shared heritage. As simple example-you cannot understand and embrace the meaning of Holy Week without understanding the history, symbols and mysteries of Passover.

Posted by: Only Context at March 28, 2021 12:52 PM (xEIoY)

80
the priest said Christ's journey through Holy Week and the crucifixion was illustrative of systematic racism and an unfair justice system

__________

And Jesus wept - John 11:35

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 28, 2021 12:52 PM (mht8P)

81 All making me sad

Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2021 12:53 PM (Cxk7w)

82 Waterfall Shampoo, not a too terrible commercial.

Septic Tank Spray Shampoo, this is their best commercial.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at March 28, 2021 12:54 PM (O8+kc)

83 As simple example-you cannot understand and embrace the meaning of Holy Week without understanding the history, symbols and mysteries of Passover.
Posted by: Only Context at March 28, 2021 12:52 PM (xEIoY)

AMEN!!

Posted by: Moki at March 28, 2021 12:54 PM (+X9Vs)

84 CBD, would you say the dilution of the Haggadah stems from the tradition-bashing endemic in the 1960s?

Posted by: callsign claymore at March 28, 2021 12:54 PM (bPb7p)

85 "Very easy to plug into whatever local tradition so the pagans would understand and accept Jesus and Christianity. --Smart marketing as it were." Posted by: naturalfake

A lot of the compromises, back to Council of Nicea, were indeed probably convenient "marketing" in pagan areas (though such "incrementalism" was perhaps evil in intent, on the spiritual level). Incremental change for a few hundred years, original texts are ignored or "redefined", and a lot of pagan traditions dominate.
... Gutenberg's press let a lot of people read on their own, thank God for the scribes' efforts to maintain copies of the texts, so there was still a path to "reformation".

Posted by: illiniwek at March 28, 2021 12:55 PM (Cus5s)

86 Well gleamers, what will history do next?

Posted by: humphreyrobot at March 28, 2021 12:55 PM (O8+kc)

87 I just hope the Christian religion doesn't forget that much of it is esconced in Judaism. Jesus never advocated going cancel culture on the Synagogue.

Posted by: Justsayin' at March 28, 2021 12:55 PM (Fs5vw)

88 ..Doesn't anyone stand up in church and point out everything this guy just said is bullshit. Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 28, 2021 12:50 PM (2DOZq)

I've stood up and walked out of more than one church, mid-sermon. Don't even have to call out the B.S., the act is it's own statement thereof. But if you wanna call out the B.S., feel free. Better still, come back and nail your thesis to the church door. They won't LIKE the message, but they'll GET the message.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 28, 2021 12:56 PM (QzJWU)

89 Is Skip crunchy today?

Posted by: humphreyrobot at March 28, 2021 12:57 PM (O8+kc)

90 Doesn't anyone stand up in church and point out everything this guy just said is bullshit.
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 28, 2021 12:50 PM (2DOZq)

Or just walk out?
Jeez...oops...I mean...Dang.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 28, 2021 12:57 PM (axyOa)

91 Better still, come back and nail your thesis to the church door. They won't LIKE the message, but they'll GET the message.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 28, 2021 12:56 PM (QzJW

Dang. I wish I'd thought of that.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 28, 2021 12:58 PM (axyOa)

92 I've stood up and walked out of more than one church, mid-sermon.

So have I.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at March 28, 2021 12:58 PM (W4eKo)

93 61 From "Merry Christmas" to "Happy Holidays"and now finally to "Have a Safe Holiday."
I hate it.

Posted by: pj at March 28, 2021 12:40 PM (G1dq6

Heh. At work (community college) one of the instructors was wishing a couple of us "happy holidays, Hanukkah, kwanza, etc." and I responded, "This is [small town we live in]; it's 'Merry Christmas'."

Posted by: Emmie at March 28, 2021 12:59 PM (ofYez)

94 the crucifixion was illustrative of systematic racism and an unfair justice system
This is completely wrong. The Romans weren't "racist" in our modern sense. They did draw a large distinction between citizens, slaves, and people not yet conquered. One of our most notable writers on the time period is a Roman citizen Jew - Josephus
And the undercurrent of the story of the crucifixion is that neither Pilate nor Herod wanted to execute Jesus - the former did it because the population demanded it.

Did this guy ever even read the Bible?!?

Posted by: 18-1 at March 28, 2021 01:00 PM (qlFIA)

95 Chag Pesach Sameach, Weathermakers.

Posted by: garrett at March 28, 2021 01:00 PM (cyvnl)

96 Use an arrow on those messages. It adds so much drama and may add historic value.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at March 28, 2021 01:00 PM (O8+kc)

97 ..As simple example-you cannot understand and embrace the meaning of Holy Week without understanding the history, symbols and mysteries of Passover. Posted by: Only Context at March 28, 2021 12:52 PM (xEIoY)

Deride the "Jews for Jesus" organization as you wish, but let the record show that NO ONE does a better job of going into a Protestant Church, and teaching the meaning and nuances of Passover to the Gentiles who are grafted into the True Vine.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at March 28, 2021 01:00 PM (QzJWU)

98 95 - Coke zero through one's nose really burns.

Posted by: Moki at March 28, 2021 01:00 PM (+X9Vs)

99 I've stood up and walked out of more than one church, mid-sermon.

Yeah I had a pastor enraged at me because I did that.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 28, 2021 01:02 PM (KZzsI)

100 77 Son and family just got back from Mass, he texted in a rage that the priest said Christ's journey through Holy Week and the crucifixion was illustrative of systematic racism and an unfair justice system. Give me Easter bunnies and egg hunts over liberation theology any day.
Posted by: Only Context at March 28, 2021 12:45 PM (xEIoY)

Don't priests and pastors and preachers like this not realize that even black people need to bend their knees to Jesus?

Posted by: Northern lurker at March 28, 2021 01:02 PM (lgiXo)

101 Unkay

Yes the holocaust was a systematic annihilation of a people precisely because of their ethnicity the cleansing of the armenians itijihad comes close, the devouring of the romani but it is pretty unique.

Posted by: Alien covenant was worse at March 28, 2021 01:02 PM (hMlTh)

102 I simply don't understand the bigotry. I was baptised catholic, my mom's side of the family was lutheran, one weekend I spent with grandma she took me to an indian wedding and reception. Dot, not feather. My cousin converted from catholisim to jewish when she married.

I love them all equally. I find myself becoming more hermit like because of all the mayhem/distrust and just want to be left alone.

Posted by: Infidel at March 28, 2021 01:02 PM (E0OEG)

103 CBD, when you complete that work, i.e., the CBD Haggadah, please do not just post it on a thread, but rather make sure it appears on the sidebar as a link for non-trivial period of time.
TIA

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2021 01:02 PM (hOUT3)

104 Deride the "Jews for Jesus" organization as you wish, but let the record
show that NO ONE does a better job of going into a Protestant Church,
and teaching the meaning and nuances of Passover to the Gentiles who are
grafted into the True Vine.

When I was a young girl, one of the higher-ups in the Jews for Jesus organization was the interim pastor at our church for a year. Oh how I loved that man.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 28, 2021 01:03 PM (45fpk)

105 I'm not very religious. About the only time I went to church in my adult life was with my mom when she was alive, and she wanted to go to Easter services. Given how woke some of the churches seem to be getting I'll probably stay away.

I'm pretty sure God can hear me when I pray no matter where I am.

Plus, I don't have to get dressed up.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at March 28, 2021 01:04 PM (3H9h1)

106 Look at the minutes of the wannsee conference (if one has the stomach) and it becomes crystal clear.

Posted by: Alien covenant was worse at March 28, 2021 01:04 PM (hMlTh)

107 Plus, I don't have to get dressed up.

Its not so much "have to" as "get to". Worshipping God with others, singing songs, etc... that's a privilege that we should want and long for.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 28, 2021 01:05 PM (KZzsI)

108 I stood and walked out of church once. It was prior to the service though. Not during the sermon. I had (have) a problem with theological points of the liturgy. Oh, the pastor was Rev. When we got home he said, "I figured you'd leave."

Posted by: grammie winger at March 28, 2021 01:06 PM (45fpk)

109 CBD, would you say the dilution of the Haggadah stems from the tradition-bashing endemic in the 1960s?

Posted by: callsign claymore at March 28, 2021 12:54 PM (bPb7p)

It certainly accelerated in the 1960s. But the degradation of Judaism began earlier, when the conflation of Judaism and political activism (socialism) took root in the urban Jewish psyche...and that began in the early part of last century.

Or one can argue that it began in the 18th century with the acceptance of progressivism as preferable to conservative (and often anti-Semitic) politcal philosophy.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 28, 2021 01:06 PM (Q9lwr)

110 Blessed Passover to my Jewish friends. And praise to our Heavenly Father for providing an escape from His righteous judgement.

Posted by: Emmie at March 28, 2021 01:07 PM (ofYez)

111 I think the Jews for Jesus guys are great. A little confused in theology but that's okay I am sure I am as well.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 28, 2021 01:07 PM (KZzsI)

112 I'm pretty sure God can hear me when I pray no matter where I am.

Plus, I don't have to get dressed up.
Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at March 28, 2021 01:04 PM (3H9h1)

You can even wear the pants from this mornings Book Thread as well.

Posted by: browndog at March 28, 2021 01:07 PM (BgMrQ)

113 Way off topic...Has the press been asking The Biden Harris Conflagration what they are doing to solve the freighter crisis in the Suez? The impact on the global economy rests square on their shoulders. Do they even have a plan? Do we even know who is responsible? Can we even say it out loud?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at March 28, 2021 01:07 PM (9dzlp)

114 26 Well they aren't entirely wrong; six million Jews and about millions of others were slaughtered by the Nazis. I mean a lot of them were Jews, but around six million Poles in total were killed.
_____________________

The Nazis also killed Gypsies, and non-Jew collaborators/resistance members, but yes, most of the Nazi murder victims were Jews, and almost all of the victims were Europeans. AFAIK, there were no Chinese or Arab or African or Caribbean Island, etc., Holocaust victims. So saying that "all nationalities and faiths" were Nazi victims is just false.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 28, 2021 01:08 PM (k4dH2)

115 >>but the greatest threat has always been trying to divide Christians and Jews from our shared heritage

Squeakyson has attended Catholic schools his whole life. Wasn't til we moved to NH (to the third Catholic school) that one of the teachers held a Seder dinner so that the students could appreciate our Jewish roots.

Posted by: squeakywheel at March 28, 2021 01:08 PM (mL2J9)

116 Its not so much "have to" as "get to". Worshipping God with others, singing songs, etc... that's a privilege that we should want and long for.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor

THIS. I have not found a church that doesn't through in a little sjw in the service.

As a little girl, Good Friday and Easter were a formal celebration of Jesus. Made special.

Posted by: Infidel at March 28, 2021 01:08 PM (E0OEG)

117 they seek to create one world, one mushy and watered down religion, and not a smidgen of individuality among its people.

"...and no religion, too"

It's all there in their insipid anthem, Imagine.

Posted by: Drawing Dick-Donuts in the Red Sea at March 28, 2021 01:10 PM (vOGqy)

118 anti-bigotry is a poor replacement for judgement

Posted by: REDACTED at March 28, 2021 01:10 PM (6iURM)

119 Do we even know who is responsible? Can we even say it out loud?
_____________

Gotta be white people, even if it wasn't. Because everybody knows that white people are responsible for everything that goes wrong in the world.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 28, 2021 01:10 PM (k4dH2)

120 They dont even understand why a backlog 4,000 miles away isimportant.

Posted by: Alien covenant was worse at March 28, 2021 01:11 PM (hMlTh)

121
I think the Jews for Jesus guys are great.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 28, 2021 01:07 PM (KZzsI)

I think they are completely full of shit and aren't Jews at all.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 28, 2021 01:11 PM (Q9lwr)

122 THIS. I have not found a church that doesn't through in a little sjw in the service.

If you're ever in No. Illinois, drop into my husband's church. Big Trump supporter, has a conceal carry license, rants at the people on television, and not a drop of sjw anywhere to be found. I know. I type his sermons.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 28, 2021 01:11 PM (45fpk)

123 {{{grammie}}}

Posted by: Infidel at March 28, 2021 01:11 PM (E0OEG)

124 I just want to encourage you all -- there still are faithful churches. It might take a little work to discover one, but they're out there.

I will have to admit, though, that we have better luck finding a faithful church if we avoid the mainstream denominations. Not saying the individual churches have fallen away, but the denominational leadership in a lot of cases has abandoned the Gospel.

Posted by: Emmie at March 28, 2021 01:11 PM (ofYez)

125 119 Do we even know who is responsible? Can we even say it out loud?
_____________

Gotta be white people, even if it wasn't. Because everybody knows that white people are responsible for everything that goes wrong in the world.
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 28, 2021 01:10 PM (k4dH2)

I didn't read the full post you copied above, and all I could think was, "Is it Satan?"

Posted by: Moki at March 28, 2021 01:12 PM (+X9Vs)

126 "priest said Christ's journey through Holy Week and the crucifixion was illustrative of systematic racism and an unfair justice system."

well to the extent Jesus was confronting the evil of the world, it perhaps included those things. But to frame it in SJW terms diminishes the real sacrifice, and tries to make today's (mostly godless) SJWs as "saints". --

"For as by one man's (Adam's) disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one (Jesus obeying his Father, "not my will but Thine") shall many be made righteous." Romans 5 says this in multiple ways.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 28, 2021 01:13 PM (Cus5s)

127 drop into my husband's church. Big Trump supporter,
has a conceal carry license, rants at the people on television, and not a
drop of sjw anywhere to be found.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 28, 2021 01:11 PM (45fpk)

Would you ask him if he would convert to Judaism, become a rabbi, and move to northern New Jersey?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 28, 2021 01:13 PM (Q9lwr)

128 We use the Childrens Haggadah for our Passover celebrations. Our children learned the story of our exodus from slavery into freedom in a simple, straightforward manner with no political bent. Was very useful as an introduction to their grandfathers Holocaust story and the parallels within. Our Seders usually lasted for about 3 hours and really kept the kids plugged in. My children are probably some of the youngest grandchildren of Holocaust survivors in the world.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 28, 2021 01:13 PM (flINI)

129 I didn't read the full post you copied above, and all I could think was, "Is it Satan?"

"mmm... could beeee..."
--Church Lady

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at March 28, 2021 01:13 PM (KZzsI)

130 Would you ask him if he would convert to Judaism, become a rabbi, and move to northern New Jersey?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 28, 2021 01:13 PM (Q9lwr)

For you - anything!

Posted by: grammie winger at March 28, 2021 01:14 PM (45fpk)

131 I know. I type his sermons.
Posted by: grammie winger

Does your husband ever find himself reading a limerick by Muldoon?

Posted by: t-bird at March 28, 2021 01:15 PM (vOGqy)

132 Yes thats very silly.

The sadduccees and pharisees turned him on doctrinal question, pilate could be cruel even draconian but he wasnt stupid.

Posted by: Alien covenant was worse at March 28, 2021 01:16 PM (hMlTh)

133 I didn't read the full post you copied above, and all I could think was, "Is it Satan?"
__________

LOL, blame Pixy. She's making it tough to post comments here, especially if you're copying part of another comment: "Your comment has been rejected because it looks like spam . . . . . ."

So then I end up copying just one or two lines of the other comment, and nobody knows what it's about. Damned if you do, damned if you don't!

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 28, 2021 01:16 PM (k4dH2)

134

JINOs, what can't they ruin...

Posted by: Zombie Adam at March 28, 2021 01:16 PM (ZYkAJ)

135 Does your husband ever find himself reading a limerick by Muldoon?

Posted by: t-bird at March 28, 2021 01:15 PM (vOGqy)

Ooooooh - what a great idea!

Posted by: grammie winger at March 28, 2021 01:16 PM (45fpk)

136 The bread is baking and smells wonderful! Sourdough.

Posted by: Infidel at March 28, 2021 01:17 PM (E0OEG)

137
So then I end up copying just one or two lines of the other comment, and nobody knows what it's about. Damned if you do, damned if you don't!
Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 28, 2021 01:16 PM (k4dH2)

I went back and read it. I think I still stand by my response though...

Posted by: Moki at March 28, 2021 01:18 PM (+X9Vs)

138 115 >>but the greatest threat has always been trying to divide Christians and Jews from our shared heritage

Posted by: squeakywheel at March 28, 2021 01:08 PM

It was early Catholicism that split the two. Then Protestants did it to both. And then the west separated itself from Eastern religions. Is it any wonder that religion has been the easiest way to separate people from each other?

It was almost a gimme for the progressives.

Posted by: Justsayin' at March 28, 2021 01:20 PM (Fs5vw)

139 I went back and read it. I think I still stand by my response though...
_________________

Well even if Satan caused the ship to get stuck in the Suez Canal, it had to be white people who put him up to it.

Because white skin is officially the root of all evil now. And if you don't believe me, just ask any Diversity & Inclusion Expert.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at March 28, 2021 01:20 PM (k4dH2)

140 Ooooooh - what a great idea!
Posted by: grammie winger

just to see is people are paying attention.

Posted by: Infidel at March 28, 2021 01:21 PM (E0OEG)

141 CBD, thank you.

I was the lone gentile kid at the JCC's after school program long ago. It was run from a Reform Jewish angle -- smart, warm folks blending fixed traditions with a California, surfer kind of vibe.

I can see where that would lead to a Haggadah that veered way off course. Particulars dissolved into the universal.

Posted by: callsign claymore at March 28, 2021 01:22 PM (bPb7p)

142 I assume White people will eventually get the ship unstuck.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at March 28, 2021 01:23 PM (2DOZq)

143 Except the probably chinese the river pilots probably arabs

Posted by: Alien covenant was worse at March 28, 2021 01:24 PM (hMlTh)

144 The holocaust was only unique in that Hitler attempted his genocide on a rapid timescale in the middle of a war. The actions of multiple other tyrannical governments before and since have shown that so long as you aren't making everyone actively hate you they are generally willing to let genocide slide. Oh, they'll pooh pooh it and decry how nasty it all is, especially after the government's committing it are no longer in power, but actually take significant action? Nahhhhh.

Posted by: ravenshrike at March 28, 2021 01:25 PM (Sn8FP)

145 I repeat--even people of colour need to hear the gospel and repent. These sjw pastors are failing them.

Posted by: Northern lurker at March 28, 2021 01:26 PM (lgiXo)

146
Well even if Satan caused the ship to get stuck in the Suez Canal, it had to be white people who put him up to it.

Were I the captain of a vessel marooned at either end of the Suez Canal, I'd be radioing HQ to seek permission to navigate around the Cape of Good Hope a couple of days ago.

They are not going to dislodge that chicken bone from that esophageal passage any time soon.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 28, 2021 01:26 PM (pNxlR)

147 Orson Wells:

We're born alone,
We live alone'
We die alone,
only through our
Love and Friendship
Can we create the illusion
that we are not alone.

Posted by: Infidel at March 28, 2021 01:27 PM (E0OEG)

148 Isn't there a threat from Jesus and Friends about, don't change the meanings in these books?

Posted by: humphreyrobot at March 28, 2021 01:27 PM (O8+kc)

149 The crew is probably chinese,

Yes the Church was the integrak pillar in the african americak community

Posted by: Alien covenant was worse at March 28, 2021 01:28 PM (hMlTh)

150 The Chinese have a secret recipe that removes blood from history.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at March 28, 2021 01:30 PM (O8+kc)

151

If the Nazi's had limited themselves to the vile Antarctic indigenous peoples, and their perfidious little web footed bastard sidekicks, they would have got away with it...

Posted by: You Just Won't Say It at March 28, 2021 01:32 PM (ZYkAJ)

152 Your cock is mine now, America. Unless you pay us everything you have in Bitcoin in the next 24 hours you'll never have another comfortable boner again.

Hating you like you wouldn't believe,

Posted by: The Left at March 28, 2021 01:34 PM (6mvRv)

153
I attend an FSSP parish. I don't hear politics from the pulpit. And the Society's publication avoids it. But underneath both, you know damn well they're not having the current nonsense.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 28, 2021 01:35 PM (mht8P)

154 144, The Holocaust was unique because the Germans had the the means and the technical know-how to make it happen so "successfully." They were a first-world, science based country filled with craftsmen who value precision in all things.

They may not have been the most naturally anti-Semitic--the Slavs (or the French for that matter) were hard to beat on that score--but they were cool-headed and detail-oriented.

Hot headed pograms were for Barbarians like the Turks.

Posted by: JoeF. at March 28, 2021 01:35 PM (dR6lV)

155 Well even if Satan caused the ship to get stuck in the Suez Canal, it had to be white people who put him up to it.

***

I'd love to know the yearly wages of the local boat drivers, because I'm betting it's well under minimum wage here in the US.

I bet it would be trivially easy for even a middle class nobody in Podunk, Arkansas to have sufficient funds to foot the bill to bribe one them to wreck the ship and disrupt worldwide shipping during the planned and organized Great Reset, so you know a billionaire Nazi accomplice who enjoys manipulating markets, government, and currencies easily could.

Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 01:36 PM (bm04m)

156 A problem for Jews and Christians is the idea of putting God above government. In Europe, the governments were usually tied to the Pope or to a Protestant King that kinda acted as if he was God's man. But that had its problems/wars as well. USA was rather unique in trying to carve out a bill of rights to allow man to serve God, "under" limited "secular" government. That too is failing, but we are not dependent on institutions to save us. ...

Even in the old testament, there was often only a "remnant" of true Israelites, sometimes having to hide in caves, even from their own brethren. ... Always a struggle, earthly institutions become corrupted.

Posted by: illiniwek at March 28, 2021 01:37 PM (Cus5s)

157 My local USAToday-owned rag is all in on the current fashion, anti-Asian "hate", giving prominent space to marches in Teaneck and Fort Lee and elsewhere in NJ.

Do not for one second believe there are not Chicom spies behind all of this.

Posted by: JoeF. at March 28, 2021 01:39 PM (dR6lV)

158 The Chinese have a secret recipe that removes blood from history.
Posted by: humphreyrobot at March 28, 2021 01:30 PM (O8+kc)

-----------------

They stole it from us.

Posted by: The NY Times at March 28, 2021 01:39 PM (2SdPm)

159 Look at Jonah sitting under his gourd.

Posted by: squid_hunt at March 28, 2021 01:40 PM (S5OQe)

160 Do not for one second believe there are not Chicom spies behind all of this.

***

Yep. And the Biden administration.

There is nothing accidental, same as charging Trump supporters with sedition for walking between the velvet ropes during the protest after getting away with treason themselves.

Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 01:41 PM (bm04m)

161 Hadrian the Seventh, my godson was baptized at a FSSP parish. Exorcised salt, renouncing Satan, ecclesiastical Latin.

A beautiful rite.

You're a blessed man.

Posted by: callsign claymore at March 28, 2021 01:41 PM (bPb7p)

162 154 144, The Holocaust was unique because the Germans had the the means and the technical know-how to make it happen so "successfully." They were a first-world, science based country filled with craftsmen who value precision in all things.

They may not have been the most naturally anti-Semitic--the Slavs (or the French for that matter) were hard to beat on that score--but they were cool-headed and detail-oriented.

Hot headed pograms were for Barbarians like the Turks.
Posted by: JoeF. at March 28, 2021 01:35 PM (dR6lV

It still boggles my mind how many resources Germany put into their extermination programs when they were in full retreat from forces on the eastern and western battle lines.

Posted by: Justsayin' at March 28, 2021 01:41 PM (Fs5vw)

163 What is FSSP? Pardon my dumz.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 28, 2021 01:42 PM (45fpk)

164 Isn't there a threat from Jesus and Friends about, don't change the meanings in these books?
Posted by: humphreyrobot at March 28, 2021 01:27 PM (O8+kc)
---------------

Reader's Digest did a "Condensed" version of the Bible a few decades ago. Funny thing, Reader's Digest did that, and it pretty much coincided with them disappearing as a publication.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 28, 2021 01:44 PM (2SdPm)

165

Exorcised Salt?

Satan lives in sodium chloride?

Well, that WOULD explain a lot...

Posted by: Zombie Adam at March 28, 2021 01:45 PM (ZYkAJ)

166 144, The Holocaust was unique because the Germans had the the means and the technical know-how to make it happen so "successfully." They were a first-world, science based country filled with craftsmen who value precision in all things.

As opposed to the low-tech but equally effective method of confiscating all the food, sealing off the area, and letting starvation do the job.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 28, 2021 01:46 PM (YqDXo)

167 Got a little of my pine branch pile returned to Gaia.
Drizzling but a little windy

Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2021 01:47 PM (Cxk7w)

168 My local USAToday-owned rag is all in on the current fashion, anti-Asian "hate", giving prominent space to marches in Teaneck and Fort Lee and elsewhere in NJ.

Trying to make sure Asians stay Democrat by "protecting" them from a non-existent threat. Or one that to the extent it exists, stems from another Democrat core constituency.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 28, 2021 01:48 PM (YqDXo)

169 As opposed to the low-tech but equally effective method of confiscating all the food, sealing off the area, and letting starvation do the job.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 28, 2021 01:46 PM (YqDXo)
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Are you talking the Warsaw Ghetto or the Holodomor?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 28, 2021 01:49 PM (2SdPm)

170 Consider, if you will, Vatican II and the fallout therefrom. I went to Mass yesterday, and not the usual 1962 Missal, but the "current" Mass, because we cannot attend today and hear Mass in the Latin it should be. The translation of the Bible they use is so imprecise as to be meaningless, and the various prayers in English are so watered down that one cannot even tell what the originals might have meant. Don't get me started on the hand-holding during the Pater Noster, or the priest facing the congregation rather than praying for us to the Lord.

A faith diluted becomes no faith at all. There were no children at that Mass, whereas the Latin Mass usually has several families with up to nine kids in tow each. Which part of Catholicism do you suppose is dying?

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at March 28, 2021 01:49 PM (N5Tno)

171 As opposed to the low-tech but equally effective method of confiscating all the food, sealing off the area, and letting starvation do the job.

***

Or Rwandans hacking a million of each other to pieces with machetes because one brown is slightly different brown than another brown.

Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 01:49 PM (bm04m)

172 I'm just a little old rain cloud floating on by they honey tree. Don't anyone take notice of me.

Posted by: Panama Canal whistling past the grave yard at March 28, 2021 01:49 PM (9dzlp)

173 grammie

https://fssp.com/

Posted by: Infidel at March 28, 2021 01:50 PM (E0OEG)

174
What is FSSP? Pardon my dumz.
Posted by: grammie winger at March 28, 2021 01:42 PM (45fpk)

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The Priestly Fraternity of St. Perer, an Apostolic community dedicated to the traditional Latin liturgy. They have a parish here in Houston that I go to. Go to Mass and you feel very quickly that this is a serious matter.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 28, 2021 01:50 PM (mht8P)

175 I thought the only Asian hate came from institutions of higher learning.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 28, 2021 01:50 PM (45fpk)

176 TechnoFascism:
All within the drop down list.
Nothing outside the drop down list.

Posted by: DaveA at March 28, 2021 01:50 PM (FhXTo)

177 161 Hadrian the Seventh, my godson was baptized at a FSSP parish. Exorcised salt, renouncing Satan, ecclesiastical Latin.

A beautiful rite.

You're a blessed man.
Posted by: callsign claymore at March 28, 2021 01:41 PM (bPb7p)

My son was baptized by a RC Priest under the old rite. It remain valid within the Church and packs a punch.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at March 28, 2021 01:51 PM (N5Tno)

178 Thank you Hadrian. It sounds like you've found a good place to connect with God.

Posted by: grammie winger at March 28, 2021 01:52 PM (45fpk)

179 Cuomo went in for a anal bleach but he had shaven that morning and he took a step back and it confussed the bleachologist and he did the wrong end. But nobody noticed until he was eating a Butterfinger.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at March 28, 2021 01:52 PM (O8+kc)

180 Never ascribe to ignorance what can be adequately explained by malice.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) reminds you at March 28, 2021 01:53 PM (yQpMk)

181 grammy we had one here a few days after that Atlanta mass shooting. Keeping them focused on white supremacists makes the higher learning discrimination of Asians off the news

Posted by: Skip at March 28, 2021 01:56 PM (Cxk7w)

182 I hit a link to a Twitter post earlier that seemed to show the Ever Green cargo ship veering left and right as it navigated through part of the Suez Canal before it got plugged. The track was captured by some automated ship positioning system; (AIS) I presume.

The gist was there was some sort of issue long before that ship got "stuck." Pilot error, environmental (wind) or mechanical... who knows. The point was made that the Suez Canal administration apparently is incompetent.

Posted by: Martini Farmer - Now a Pirate, Hoisting the Black Flag at March 28, 2021 01:56 PM (3H9h1)

183 Are you talking the Warsaw Ghetto or the Holodomor?
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing at March 28, 2021 01:49 PM (2SdPm)

You bet. Both.

The Holodomor killed somewhere around six million Ukrainians, so it definitely belongs in a prominent location on the league table.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 28, 2021 01:56 PM (YqDXo)

184
The Priestly Fraternity of St. Perer, an Apostolic community dedicated to the traditional Latin liturgy. They have a parish here in Houston that I go to. Go to Mass and you feel very quickly that this is a serious matter.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 28, 2021 01:50 PM (mht8P)

I thought praising God and Jesus was supposed to be joyful. A celebration.

This might be one of the reasons I'm not what one would call religious.

Posted by: Justsayin' at March 28, 2021 01:57 PM (Fs5vw)

185 Or Rwandans hacking a million of each other to pieces with machetes because one brown is slightly different brown than another brown.
Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 01:49 PM (bm04m)

That, too.

Does anyone here recall the Taiping Rebellion of the mid-19th century? Staggering number of fatalities in a ca. 15 year civil war. The Taiping Rebellion was a major factor in provoking Chinese immigration to the U.S.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 28, 2021 01:59 PM (YqDXo)

186 Were I the captain of a vessel marooned at either end of the Suez Canal, I'd be radioing HQ to seek permission to navigate around the Cape of Good Hope a couple of days ago.

They are not going to dislodge that chicken bone from that esophageal passage any time soon.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at March 28, 2021 01:26 PM (pNxlR)

This baffles me. I would think a crew of a dozen with homelite trash pumps and hoses could free this thing in a day or two, much less bringing in a fireboat or two.

Posted by: G'rump928(c) reminds you at March 28, 2021 01:59 PM (yQpMk)

187 "Of course we should recognize that Jewish suffering is not unique among nations, but the Holocaust was in fact unique, and extrapolating it to others does a disservice to all."

Here is the problem, if so then it cannot and should not be used in a generic way. And the other mass murder 'incidents' should be named besides it (like the Holodomor. Btw, I'm sure the Ukrainians have thought of their suffering as something unique). But that's not the way it has been used in my experience. It, and the accusation of anti-semitism, has always been used as generic. It is as if there never were marxist mass murders (We have an 'Holocaust denial' law in my country, Belgium. We don't have an 'Holodomor' denial law. Why bother, almost nobody remembers it anyway (/s)).

But it aren't German nazis who have 'marched through the institutions'. How can you fight the marxists if you can't name them and use THEIR crimes against them?

Posted by: PhilD at March 28, 2021 01:59 PM (7LeCR)

188 I thought praising God and Jesus was supposed to be joyful. A celebration.
Posted by: Justsayin' at March 28, 2021 01:57 PM (Fs5vw)

And it is, but it is also part of a serious commitment, one not to be taken lightly!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at March 28, 2021 02:00 PM (hOUT3)

189 Hope i didn't trample on anybody's Sunday mood. At times my manners are cruel because i went feral. But i obey all the important laws.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at March 28, 2021 02:01 PM (O8+kc)

190 W I D E
N O O D

Posted by: Skip guy who says NOOD at March 28, 2021 02:01 PM (Cxk7w)

191 But i obey all the important laws.
Posted by: humphreyrobot at March 28, 2021 02:01 PM (O8+kc)

Are you Three Laws Safe?

Posted by: G'rump928(c) at March 28, 2021 02:01 PM (yQpMk)

192 Taiping was brutal it was featured in one ofthe robert elegant tales manchu, probably up there with the cultural revolution in eating their own tale.

Posted by: Alien covenant was worse at March 28, 2021 02:01 PM (hMlTh)

193 On a related note, jsdsupply.com has complete glock slides and lower parts kits in stock.

Posted by: Lysenko -Official dot gov Wyoming COVID vaccination card link, should be 4.25x3.5 at March 28, 2021 02:02 PM (bm04m)

194 That happened in the interval between first and second opium wars.

Posted by: Alien covenant was worse at March 28, 2021 02:04 PM (hMlTh)

195 Honqquing thought himself a prophet in fact he thought he was jesus if memory serves

Posted by: Alien covenant was worse at March 28, 2021 02:07 PM (hMlTh)

196 The Priestly Fraternity of St. Perer, an Apostolic community dedicated to the traditional Latin liturgy. They have a parish here in Houston that I go to. Go to Mass and you feel very quickly that this is a serious matter.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at March 28, 2021 01:50 PM (mht8P)

I have the Dominicans, and they do the Dominican Rite which is very close to the FSSP traditional. We worship God, not Gaia, and we mean it. It's brilliant. It is the Mass the Saints heard. Nobody is going to march off to martyrdom over the crap in the "current" Mass.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at March 28, 2021 02:08 PM (N5Tno)

197 I thought praising God and Jesus was supposed to be joyful. A celebration.

This might be one of the reasons I'm not what one would call religious.
Posted by: Justsayin' at March 28, 2021 01:57 PM (Fs5vw)

Praising is joyous. Worshipping is a bit more serious. Both are valid.

Posted by: tcn in AK, Hail to the Thief at March 28, 2021 02:09 PM (N5Tno)

198 humphey robot.....ancient chinese secret eh?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at March 28, 2021 02:10 PM (CqHIp)

199
They are not going to dislodge that chicken bone from that esophageal passage any time soon.

Huge Heimlich

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at March 28, 2021 02:14 PM (63Dwl)

200 Does anyone here recall the Taiping Rebellion of the mid-19th century? Staggering number of fatalities in a ca. 15 year civil war. The Taiping Rebellion was a major factor in provoking Chinese immigration to the U.S.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at March 28, 2021 01:59 PM (YqDXo)

I saw that on TV when Kwai Chang Caine jujitsued the Royal Prince's nephew after the Royal nephew killed his Master Po. So violent.....he had to leave China for America and rayciss white folks.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at March 28, 2021 02:15 PM (R/m4+)

201 I am going to take exception with what CBD said in a narrow sense. The "Holocaust" was an organized effort by the Nazi regime to rid itself of "undesirable elements." The death toll was somewhere between 12 and 14 million people, depending on when you start counting organized murder. About 1/2 of the people murdered by the Nazis were Jewish. The other half were largely Slavs and other people the Germans found problematic.

The Seder is a unique expression of Jewish culture commemorating a unique Jewish event. But the "Holocaust" is certainly NOT a unique Jewish experience and millions of Poles, Russians, South Slavs, Romany and Jehovah's Witnesses can attest to that fact.

Posted by: WarEagle82 at March 28, 2021 02:21 PM (+Kpte)

202 Hong Xiquan, the guy who started the Taiping Rebellion, decided he was Jesus's younger brother.

There's a good book about it by Jonathan Spence, called _God's Chinese Son._

Apparently this is what happens when your only exposure to Christianity is through badly-translated missionary pamphlets.

Posted by: Trimegistus at March 28, 2021 02:30 PM (QZxDR)

203 I think they are completely full of shit and aren't Jews at all.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at March 28, 2021 01:11 PM (Q9lwr)
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Commendable expression.

Posted by: Braenyard, starving the beast at March 28, 2021 02:34 PM (rxLxm)

204 I am of two minds about adding various other genocides and exoduses to the Passover observance.

As our host points out, it does dilute Jewish identity.

But on the other hand, the history of Judaism since the destruction of the Temple has been the gradual, at times grudging, recognition that non-Jews matter. Acknowledging that other people suffer is a big step.

Posted by: Trimegistus at March 28, 2021 02:35 PM (QZxDR)

205 The most consistently thoughtful preacher at my Catholic parish in North Carolina is a priest who was born and raised in Nigeria. Pretty sure he sees "systemic racism" for the scam that it is, and he's bilingual (English and Igbo, if not even more than languages than that).

Posted by: PaddyBeaner at March 28, 2021 03:00 PM (5Mmke)

206 Maybe this idea has been floated before, but let's establish a National Victims Day. All the usual aggrieved groups can wear their offical victim-approved apparel, and the rest of us can rock our own "messaged" fashions. Could be lots of fun (and, of course, completely non-confrontational).

Posted by: Stormin' Norman Gunderson at March 28, 2021 03:15 PM (ZGkC6)

207 When I read stuff like this, I'm glad we did ours alone--me, my wife, and learning disabled son.

I grieve for our people. We won't be around much longer, by our own choices. Hitler must be laughing somewhere.

Posted by: nishdoogedacht at March 28, 2021 04:06 PM (WusEB)

208 "Deride the "Jews for Jesus" organization as you wish, but let the record show that NO ONE does a better job of going into a Protestant Church, and teaching the meaning and nuances of Passover to the Gentiles who are grafted into the True Vine."

No one does a better job misrepresenting the meaning and nuances of Passover to Christians than Jews For Jesus, an evangelical Christian organization. Jews For Jesus ascribes christological meaning to the rituals and symbols established by the very rabbis that, as evangelical Christians, Jews for Jesus rejects. If you reject rabbinic Judaism (as is your right) because you are a Christian you can't then say that the three matzahs used at the seder symbolize the trinity as those three matzahs are only used because of the technicalities of rabbinic law.
It's as though I were to tell those Christians who take communion that the wine and wafers are not symbolic of the blood and body of Jesus but rather deeply infused with rabbinic teachins.
Simply put, Jews For Jesus is intellectually dishonest. The fact that some of them may have been born Jewish is no more a validation of their beliefs than Jewish marxists' ethnicity validates marxism.

Posted by: Johann Amadeus Metesky at March 28, 2021 06:33 PM (VHk4v)

209 6 million Jews died in the camps.
About 1/2 of them were Poles.
Also about 6 million Poles died there.
About 1/2 of them were Jews.

Posted by: Jackson at March 28, 2021 10:21 PM (2C3Au)

210 By watering down, you mean nuking.

Posted by: bob at March 29, 2021 11:24 PM (pft3j)

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