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A Short Tutorial On The General Flynn Case Procedures [AlexTheChick]
A primer on just what is going on right now from a procedural posture in the Flynn case. Please note that this is just that, a primer, and thus significant amounts of nuance will be left out. As will the profanity I used while typing this.
Cast of characters: Department of Justice – the prosecutor. Flynn – the defendant. Sullivan – the judge. DC Circuit – the circuit court (appellate court) that oversees Sullivan’s district. Flynn filed a writ of mandamus (do the thing) which the DC Circuit granted. That decision was made by a three judge panel. Three judge panels are how matters are heard initially on the appellate level with some very limited exceptions. Yesterday, Sullivan asked for a rehearing en banc. That means the entire panel hears it. Requests for en banc are a possible step in the appellate process. En banc is generally denied but it is not uncommon for en banc to be requested. Why is it requested? Because that gives the entire circuit the chance to issue a ruling and thus make clear that this is what the circuit holds, not just three judges. Today, the DC Circuit issued an order on its own motion (sua sponte) ordering Flynn to file a response to Sullivan’s petition. In other words, the court wants to hear from Flynn directly why en banc should be denied. The DOJ may also file a response, though that is not mandatory. Flynn’s response is mandatory. Sullivan has been prohibited from filing a reply to that. The ten day time limit is the normal time period for responses. The word limit is a bit unusual but not overly so. The stay is completely routine. Since the court wants briefing, the court will stay until briefing is done.Despite the unique factual circumstances at issue, the procedural matters are standard. Order entered, en banc requested, reply requested, order stayed. That’s how the procedure goes. Stop reading into matters being filed at deadline. Everyone does that. Stop reading into the court requesting a reply. That’s routine. Stop even attempting to figure out how votes will go because of the stay. That’s pretty much required. As to how is Sullivan a party in this? Because the writ is directed to him. His actions are at issue and thus he is the actual party at interest. Welcome to the insane world of the Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure.
Comments
(Jump to bottom of comments)Posted by: CN at July 10, 2020 05:31 PM (ONvIw)
Posted by: DitkaCA at July 10, 2020 05:32 PM (kVjCi)
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (Gringo fuertemente armado-now with more Disturbed) at July 10, 2020 05:32 PM (N3El/)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 10, 2020 05:33 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: CN at July 10, 2020 05:34 PM (ONvIw)
Posted by: t-bird at July 10, 2020 05:34 PM (3fR4G)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 10, 2020 05:34 PM (rBtIz)
Gonna be reading for a while, but I think the short version is that the entire Federal Judiciary is corrupt as Hell!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -YOU are all in this together!- at July 10, 2020 05:34 PM (eTZoJ)
Posted by: CN at July 10, 2020 05:34 PM (ONvIw)
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 10, 2020 05:34 PM (q1Pj5)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 10, 2020 05:34 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Hands at July 10, 2020 05:35 PM (786Ro)
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 10, 2020 05:35 PM (q1Pj5)
Will there be five additional judges?
At the end of the day, the two biggest issues are too embarassing for a judge to even consider.
What does "by leave of court mean"? Duh, it means the prosecutor has to tell the judge. What else could it mean? That the judge gets to investigate the entire DOJ to find evil Bill Barr's hands on the dismissal? Nope.
Second, the writ was granted because of the above point, the DOJ will face stupid damage because they'll have to answer questions from ... who? Gleeson? uh no. not gonna happen.
Finally, Sidney Powell's releasing fucking embarassing Brady evidence. Just end it now
Posted by: guest myspace user at July 10, 2020 05:36 PM (rnk6i)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 10, 2020 05:36 PM (ptqGC)
Everything that has happened here is not "normal procedure", starting with a judge who thinks he can keep a criminal defendant in jeopardy all by his lonesome.
The judge is not a "party", the judge is not even an individual; the judge represents the court.
Posted by: artemis at July 10, 2020 05:36 PM (AwPyG)
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 10, 2020 05:36 PM (q1Pj5)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 10, 2020 05:37 PM (rBtIz)
Posted by: DitkaCA at July 10, 2020 05:32 PM (kVjCi)
of a sham of a parody of a farce
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -YOU are all in this together!- at July 10, 2020 05:37 PM (eTZoJ)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has Your Spirit Of '76 Masks!! at July 10, 2020 05:37 PM (cZjDV)
Yeah, a nice talking to. Shouldn't take more than a few minutes.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 10, 2020 05:37 PM (Z+IKu)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 10, 2020 05:37 PM (OxYQ1)
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Stop?
What's the safe word?
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 10, 2020 05:37 PM (sy5kK)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at July 10, 2020 05:37 PM (ufFY8)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 10, 2020 05:37 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Brother Tim sez: There is always More Stupid at July 10, 2020 05:37 PM (OUMaO)
Posted by: Frasier Crane at July 10, 2020 05:38 PM (Rz+9W)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 10, 2020 05:38 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: CN at July 10, 2020 05:38 PM (ONvIw)
Posted by: irright at July 10, 2020 05:38 PM (RVcmP)
Posted by: Embarrassing Stain at July 10, 2020 05:38 PM (eBRhe)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 05:38 PM (rpbg1)
And reading Sullivan's idiotic motion, aside from getting every legal issue wrong, he's also in the dog-house for acting so insane, they had to grant the writ of mandamus against him.
His only real arguments are "I wasn't bad enough for mandamus". And that breaks down to "you gave the writ to the DOJ but Flynn asked for it..."
Posted by: guest myspace user at July 10, 2020 05:39 PM (rnk6i)
Posted by: t-bird at July 10, 2020 05:39 PM (3fR4G)
*I did read it btw if that will forestall The Ravage*
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 10, 2020 05:39 PM (Jx5Qs)
Posted by: Archer at July 10, 2020 05:40 PM (gmo/4)
Leave to Appeal is different than an appeal By Right, for example. The latter is automatic.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has Your Spirit Of '76 Masks!! at July 10, 2020 05:40 PM (cZjDV)
Posted by: artemis at July 10, 2020 05:36 PM (AwPyG)
Them's the old rules which have evolved to be more like guidelines, and in reality are now merely suggestions!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -YOU are all in this together!- at July 10, 2020 05:40 PM (eTZoJ)
Give AtC the Banhammer controls. She is both the Overlord we deserve and the one we need right now.
Posted by: Brother Tim sez: There is always More Stupid at July 10, 2020 05:37 PM (OUMaO)
Will there be spankings!?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 10, 2020 05:40 PM (Jx5Qs)
Posted by: Sharkman at July 10, 2020 05:41 PM (p362n)
Posted by: Captain Hate at July 10, 2020 05:41 PM (y7DUB)
Posted by: ptschett at July 10, 2020 05:41 PM (zB+vL)
Posted by: Embarrassing Stain at July 10, 2020 05:41 PM (eBRhe)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 10, 2020 05:41 PM (Jx5Qs)
*I did read it btw if that will forestall The Ravage*
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 10, 2020 05:39 PM (Jx5Qs)
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You know, there are photos out there...
Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 10, 2020 05:42 PM (CAJOC)
The judge is not a "party", the judge is not even an individual; the judge represents the court.
Posted by: artemi
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yeah, this is a good point. But the petition is irrelevant, there's no legal effect of it.
Sullivan mis-cites Sineneng which oops...states the judge is passive. Not good.
But, at the end of the day, what matters is there's one judge to spark the internal vote and then 6 to agree. Happens whether or not there's a petition. Especially in a high profile case where everyone is ALREADY aware of the issues.
The only issues are:
1. what does "by leave of court" mean wrt dismissal
2. how to stop biased, unhinged amicus Gleeson
3. does it matter if writ granted to DOJ not Flynn?
Posted by: guest myspace user at July 10, 2020 05:42 PM (rnk6i)
Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at July 10, 2020 05:42 PM (786Ro)
This is not to be construed as bad. Miss Sharma was very cute and very funny.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 05:42 PM (rpbg1)
Posted by: Granite Reef at July 10, 2020 05:42 PM (06T0U)
Posted by: iandeal at July 10, 2020 05:42 PM (bLfy6)
Posted by: Frasier Crane at July 10, 2020 05:38 PM (Rz+9W)
Such as an involuntary commitment hearing for a department store Santa Claus who thinks he's THE Kris Kringle. It's all fun and games until the United States Postal Service shows up.
Posted by: Judge Henry X. Harper at July 10, 2020 05:42 PM (q1Pj5)
Posted by: Emmet Sullivan at July 10, 2020 05:42 PM (3fR4G)
Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 10, 2020 05:42 PM (CAJOC)
yes I do and i hope there will be more in celebration after the election.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 10, 2020 05:42 PM (Jx5Qs)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 10, 2020 05:37 PM (ptqGC)
Down goes Roberts!
Posted by: Captain Hate at July 10, 2020 05:41 PM (y7DUB)
OK, that's just wrong!
Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 10, 2020 05:43 PM (CAJOC)
The judge is not a "party", the judge is not even an individual; the judge represents the court.
The judge, of his own volition, inserted himself into this process, did he not? Isn't the decision whether to seek an en banc ruling properly let to either the prosecution and the defendant? Sullivan ought to be hauled before the appellate bar for a competency hearing.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 10, 2020 05:43 PM (OxYQ1)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 10, 2020 05:43 PM (dJ11I)
Posted by: Dr Spank at July 10, 2020 05:43 PM (royi5)
Posted by: azalea city at July 10, 2020 05:43 PM (WX+x0)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 10, 2020 05:44 PM (Jx5Qs)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 10, 2020 05:40 PM (Jx5Qs)
And after the spankings?
Posted by: Zoot at July 10, 2020 05:44 PM (q1Pj5)
*I did read it btw if that will forestall The Ravage*
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 10, 2020 05:39 PM
You have *seen* the Victory Tits, have you not?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 10, 2020 05:44 PM (rBtIz)
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an interesting point, his unhinged petition is probably not going to go over well. But the DC CIR is filled with crazy lib trial judges, so it's par for the course.
Sullivan is lucky they granted this because he needed to comply with the writ (he may have had another week) but then he would be in trouble...contempt or removal.
Posted by: guest myspace user at July 10, 2020 05:44 PM (rnk6i)
Will there be spankings!?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 10, 2020 05:40 PM (Jx5Qs)
And after the spankings?
Posted by: Zoot at July 10, 2020 05:44 PM (q1Pj5)
Its AtC so manatees?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 10, 2020 05:45 PM (Jx5Qs)
Posted by: WisRich at July 10, 2020 05:45 PM (G0vdT)
A spider web built by a committee of spiders
Posted by: kbdabear at July 10, 2020 05:45 PM (qAR6u)
Sullivan's claiming a new power to continue a persecution of a criminally-fraudulent case as far as he wants.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 10, 2020 05:45 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 10, 2020 05:44 PM (rBtIz)
yes, and its something i hope i never unsee.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 10, 2020 05:46 PM (Jx5Qs)
Posted by: kbdabear at July 10, 2020 05:46 PM (qAR6u)
rhythm of the sentences in your 3rd-to-last paragraph. Strunk and White
would have approved.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 05:38 PM (rpbg1)
No kidding, hard to find a word there that could be edited out......
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 10, 2020 05:46 PM (jjaLl)
(part of the) Court: Sullivan, do this thing.
Sullivan: Get stuffed. Come back with the whole court.
Court: You, person being staked out and flayed alive in the searing desert by Sullivan, tell us why we should not get the whole court to tell him to do the thing.
But I guess it's procedural.
Posted by: hogmartin at July 10, 2020 05:46 PM (t+qrx)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has Your Spirit Of '76 Masks!! at July 10, 2020 05:46 PM (cZjDV)
Posted by: Raoul Ortega at July 10, 2020 05:46 PM (OafoN)
Posted by: bluebell at July 10, 2020 05:47 PM (/669Q)
Posted by: Caliban at July 10, 2020 05:47 PM (QE8X6)
What's this with the law stuff? I came here for the boobs
Posted by: kbdabear at July 10, 2020 05:46 PM (qAR6u)
That's where all law comes from.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 10, 2020 05:47 PM (Jx5Qs)
Posted by: Martini Farmer - Civilly Disobedient at July 10, 2020 05:47 PM (3H9h1)
Sullivan's claiming a new power to continue a persecution of a criminally-fraudulent case as far as he wants.
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this is the funny part.
the stupid amicus briefs all gloss over the DOJ/FBI misconduct in charging Flynn. Then they focus on "but flynn plead guilty therefore he's super guilty of everything forever and ever"
The amicus with Gleeson and sullivan only have the sad-feels that Barr did something bad because trump is bad. They don't realize how stupid they look.
Posted by: guest myspace user at July 10, 2020 05:47 PM (rnk6i)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 10, 2020 05:47 PM (r+sAi)
That actually makes no sense to me. How did a ruling about whether or not a criminal case proceeds become about the judge involved in the case rather than the defendant?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 05:47 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Hands at July 10, 2020 05:47 PM (786Ro)
The fkin government didn't have a case and they knew it but dragged it out 3 years, now get this fkin ahole Sullivan of my back.
Thank you and have a great day
Posted by: Skip at July 10, 2020 05:47 PM (6f16T)
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Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 10, 2020 05:45 PM (oVJmc)
I thought that was a nice touch, given only 3900 (IIRC) words!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -YOU are all in this together!- at July 10, 2020 05:47 PM (eTZoJ)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 10, 2020 05:45 PM
Could be worse. Could be the otters.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 10, 2020 05:48 PM (rBtIz)
Well told, Alex. I especially like the clarity and
rhythm of the sentences in your 3rd-to-last paragraph. Strunk and White
would have approved.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 05:38 PM (rpbg1)
No kidding, hard to find a word there that could be edited out......
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 10, 2020 05:46 PM (jjaLl)
and its easy to dance to.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 10, 2020 05:48 PM (Jx5Qs)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 10, 2020 05:45 PM (Jx5Qs)
I don't think she's from as far north as Manistee.
Posted by: hogmartin at July 10, 2020 05:48 PM (t+qrx)
Posted by: hogmartin
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Sullivan did file the petition and it is pissy but he had basically 3 week to obey the writ of mandamus.
Posted by: guest myspace user at July 10, 2020 05:48 PM (rnk6i)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 10, 2020 05:48 PM (anwal)
One must ask, what was it about trial by combat that sent it to the dustbin of history? It really truncated the appeals process, for example.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 10, 2020 05:48 PM (OxYQ1)
Posted by: jayhawkone at July 10, 2020 05:49 PM (ZD+J8)
Posted by: Judge Henry X. Harper at July 10, 2020 05:42 PM (q1Pj5)
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Not to go off on a tangent (while I do exactly that) - This, to me, is one of the places the remake fell down. I think the judge in the original, put in a difficult place, had a clever solution handed to him. In the new version, it seemed to be "well, we believe in God, so why not Santa?"
Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 10, 2020 05:49 PM (CAJOC)
That actually makes no sense to me. How did a ruling about whether or not a criminal case proceeds become about the judge involved in the case rather than the defendant?
The court's instruction is to Sullivan. Therefore he is the subject of the order.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 10, 2020 05:49 PM (oVJmc)
Posted by: Piratepatch from the flood zone at July 10, 2020 05:49 PM (OQPMi)
Posted by: The Oort Cloud - Source of all SMODs at July 10, 2020 05:49 PM (p0pYQ)
Posted by: kbdabear at July 10, 2020 05:46 PM
Noooo, that's why the rest of us come to the ONT for your compliance pics. You, kind sir, bring the boobs, you don't come for the boobs.
Posted by: Hands at July 10, 2020 05:49 PM (786Ro)
Posted by: Dr Spank at July 10, 2020 05:43 PM (royi5)
Although AtC gave a lucid explanation this is the same type of crap that turned me off the NFL; that everything, like instant replay, had to adhere to a process which ultimately was more important than what happened on the field, or in this case guilty or innocent.
Posted by: Captain Hate at July 10, 2020 05:50 PM (y7DUB)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has Your Spirit Of '76 Masks!! at July 10, 2020 05:50 PM (cZjDV)
Posted by: jayhawkone at July 10, 2020
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Ah, I see. I wondered why such an arbitrary figure, rather than 4000 or 3500.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 05:50 PM (rpbg1)
sent it to the dustbin of history? It really truncated the appeals
process, for example.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 10, 2020 05:48 PM (OxYQ1)
Might is right and tight, brah!
Posted by: A Gorn Cmmander at July 10, 2020 05:50 PM (q1Pj5)
Posted by: Cart guy at July 10, 2020 05:50 PM (Jx5Qs)
It becomes about the judge because of the Writ of Mandamus.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has Your Spirit Of '76 Masks!! at July 10, 2020 05:50 PM (cZjDV)
Isn't that the order that freed that slave guy?
Posted by: Cart guy at July 10, 2020 05:51 PM (Jx5Qs)
Posted by: Dr Spank at July 10, 2020 05:52 PM (royi5)
Posted by: Martini Farmer - Civilly Disobedient at July 10, 2020 05:52 PM (3H9h1)
Posted by: jayhawkone at July 10, 2020 05:49 PM (ZD+J
Remember that day when you posted "...therefore, 3900 words was equivalent to 3900 words."
I'm not being a dick, honest, it was just funny!
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 10, 2020 05:52 PM (jjaLl)
Posted by: Caliban at July 10, 2020 05:47 PM
*jumps out from behind the sidebar*
BOO!!!
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 10, 2020 05:52 PM (rBtIz)
Posted by: Martini Farmer - Civilly Disobedient at July 10, 2020 05:52 PM (3H9h1)
EVERYTHING.
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 10, 2020 05:52 PM (jjaLl)
sent it to the dustbin of history? It really truncated the appeals
process, for example.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 10, 2020
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No doubt women objected to trial by combat as "unfair and discriminatory to women."
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 05:52 PM (rpbg1)
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Late last thread
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at July 10, 2020 05:52 PM (1Dmt5)
Posted by: guest myspace user at July 10, 2020 05:48 PM (rnk6i)
Honestly, everything Sullivan has done since the DOJ dropped it has been nothing but pissy as far as I can tell.
Posted by: hogmartin at July 10, 2020 05:53 PM (t+qrx)
Posted by: Dr Spank at July 10, 2020 05:52 PM
Yeesh. I hated that class.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 10, 2020 05:53 PM (rBtIz)
99 Bring out your boobs!!!
Posted by: Cart guy at July 10, 2020 05:50 PM (Jx5Qs)
Somewhere in a storm cellar in Delaware, Surgeon General-to-be Jill Biden throws herself at Sundowner Joe's ankles in order to keep him from emerging from it.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 10, 2020 05:53 PM (OxYQ1)
Posted by: jayhawkone at July 10, 2020
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Ah, I see. I wondered why such an arbitrary figure, rather than 4000 or 3500.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 05:50 PM (rpbg1)
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They probably went to word count so people couldn't screw with the font size, and squeeze 100 pages into 15.
Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 10, 2020 05:53 PM (CAJOC)
You are more than welcome to do so. You are, however, wrong.
Everything that has happened here is not "normal procedure", starting with a judge who thinks he can keep a criminal defendant in jeopardy all by his lonesome.
As should have been crystalline clear, I was addressing only the current procedural posture. From that limited perspective, everything that is going on right now is normal procedure. I am not addressing, nor shall I address now, the underlying facts. I am addressing only the mechanics of what is currently happening. And those mechanics are completely normal.
The judge is not a "party", the judge is not even an individual; the judge represents the court.
Posted by: artemis at July 10, 2020 05:36 PM (AwPyG)
I stated explicitly why Sullivan is a party to this appeal. Again, you are free to believe that is not the case. However, I assure you that all those involved in the case believe otherwise.
There may be some misunderstanding of parties as currently being used on appeal. Sullivan is not a party in this case. That is accurate. However, he is THE party for the purposes of the appeal. The only person whose actions are being addressed are Sullivan's. The writ is directed to his actions. For purposes of the writ and the appeal of the grant of the writ, he is the party at issue.
You may think all of that is stupid, because of how stupid it is, but that is how the FRAP views things.
Also, this is me. Don't muck about with all due respect. Bless. Your. Heart.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 05:53 PM (GbPPJ)
Posted by: SMH at July 10, 2020 05:53 PM (RU4sa)
Posted by: Venus at July 10, 2020 05:53 PM (iYXhj)
- This, to me, is one of the places the remake fell down. I think the
judge in the original, put in a difficult place, had a clever solution
handed to him. In the new version, it seemed to be "well, we believe in
God, so why not Santa?"
Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 10, 2020 05:49 PM (CAJOC)
There is no remake, there is only the perfect 1947 original.
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 10, 2020 05:53 PM (q1Pj5)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 10, 2020 05:54 PM (oVJmc)
A writ of mandamus is (very rarely) issued to direct the court to fulfill a ministerial duty. (because the upper court is not going to direct the court with respect to using it's discretion--that waits for a full blown appeal)
look at it this way--a hearing is afforded in American courts so as to fulfill the "due process" requirement in the constitution--a defendant has a right to be heard.
So--who is being afforded "due process" by this en banc hearing? there's where you see the absurdity.
Posted by: artemis at July 10, 2020 05:54 PM (AwPyG)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 10, 2020 05:55 PM (AytXr)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has Your Spirit Of '76 Masks!! at July 10, 2020 05:55 PM (cZjDV)
Posted by: Finders meepers, losers creepers at July 10, 2020 05:55 PM (BRkq2)
- This, to me, is one of the places the remake fell down. I think the
judge in the original, put in a difficult place, had a clever solution
handed to him. In the new version, it seemed to be "well, we believe in
God, so why not Santa?"
Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 10, 2020 05:49 PM (CAJOC)
There is no remake, there is only the perfect 1947 original.
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 10, 2020
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There was a remake? By which I mean, Hollywood attempted a remake?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 05:55 PM (rpbg1)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 10, 2020 05:55 PM (anwal)
@6 - t-bird
ISWYDT...
Shut 'er down folks.
We have an early winner.
Please collect your winnings, an all expense paid (by you) trip to the square dance festival in Kerrville, Texas.
Posted by: TeeJ at July 10, 2020 05:56 PM (mNJBC)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - The Outrage Outlet has Your Spirit Of '76 Masks!! at July 10, 2020 05:55 PM (cZjDV)
There's always someone who thinks it's cute to use Comic Sans.
Posted by: hogmartin at July 10, 2020 05:56 PM (t+qrx)
Posted by: artemis at July 10, 2020 05:56 PM (AwPyG)
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -YOU are all in this together!- at July 10, 2020 05:56 PM (eTZoJ)
Posted by: Jewells45 at July 10, 2020 05:56 PM (dUJdY)
Posted by: TexasDan at July 10, 2020 05:56 PM (yL25O)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 10, 2020 05:56 PM (dJ11I)
There is no remake, there is only the perfect 1947 original.
Posted by: Count de Monet
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William Frawley savors cigar, nods.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 10, 2020 05:56 PM (AytXr)
What if I *still* want to panic and pull (what's left of) my hair out over Sullivan?
Posted by: Darrell Harris at July 10, 2020 05:56 PM (6xA3t)
This story allied with the "no cash bail " means the US has a worse legal system than most Third World countries. If you are violently attacked in extremely poor countries there is some chance the criminal will be detained but in the largest American city the chances are zero.
Posted by: yonkers at July 10, 2020 05:57 PM (iEwPk)
Posted by: Regular joe at July 10, 2020 05:57 PM (L9P9s)
That was the Writ of Mandingo.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 10, 2020 05:54 PM (oVJmc)
Thank you Peebs !I thought no one would give that to me!! You are a gentlemen.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 10, 2020 05:57 PM (Jx5Qs)
Posted by: wth at July 10, 2020 05:57 PM (v0R5T)
115 Not to go off on a tangent (while I do exactly that) ...
** scrambles to find the OFF button for the "Math Terminology Used in the Blog" klaxon **
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 10, 2020 05:57 PM (OxYQ1)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 05:55 PM (rpbg1)
Of course they did, original ideas are so hard to come by!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -YOU are all in this together!- at July 10, 2020 05:57 PM (eTZoJ)
Posted by: artemis
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Exchange of consideration!
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 10, 2020 05:57 PM (AytXr)
Posted by: klaftern at July 10, 2020 05:57 PM (RuIsu)
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 10, 2020 05:58 PM (q1Pj5)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
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Pfft. I've been humiliated several times.
Posted by: A Christmas Carol at July 10, 2020 05:58 PM (AytXr)
Posted by: ptschett at July 10, 2020 05:41 PM (zB+vL)
How it usually works is petition, reply, counter reply.
When a court says okay reply but no counter reply, that's the court saying shut up you assholes we are done with listening to you.
And, yeah, do to various and sundry fuckwittery by lawyers vis a vis font size and kerning, courts have VERY precise requirements as to how things can be filed. In fact, the Federal system requires a separate affirmation by the submitting attorney that the word count function of a word processing system has been used to insure that the word count requirements were followed.
It's INSANELY nitpicky.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 05:59 PM (GbPPJ)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 10, 2020 05:57 PM (AytXr)
*awkwardly tips hat*
Uh... exchange of consideration to you as well.
Posted by: hogmartin at July 10, 2020 05:59 PM (t+qrx)
Primer. In this usage is it pronounced 'pry-mer' like the paint, or 'prim-er' like prim and proper?
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 10, 2020 05:58 PM (q1Pj5)
Like in a bullet shell.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at July 10, 2020 05:59 PM (Jx5Qs)
Hottentottenpotentatenattentatentäter. What? Prof. Bander said it was ok.
Posted by: t-bird at July 10, 2020 05:59 PM (3fR4G)
There's always someone who thinks it's cute to use Comic Sans.
Posted by: hogmartin
Is there no barrister bold enough to use Zapf Dingbats?
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 10, 2020 05:59 PM (OxYQ1)
Posted by: Skip at July 10, 2020 05:59 PM (6f16T)
sent it to the dustbin of history? It really truncated the appeals
process, for example.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 10, 2020 05:48 PM (OxYQ1)
Might is right and tight, brah!
Posted by: A Gorn Cmmander at July 10, 2020 05:50 PM (q1Pj5)
McCauley, in Extraordinary Popular Delusions, made a very good case as to why Trial By Combat may have been your best option in the middle ages. In a time where "Courts" were notoriously corrupt, and especially if you knew you were going to be judged by some Lord of the Manor who had always hated you, then Trial by Combat at least gave you a chance to come out on top.
It also meant that the Big Bruiser of the village could go on terrorizing his neighbors to his heart's content. Of course if he got too obnoxious, there were always people around who'd gotten pretty good at making home grown poisons.
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2020 06:00 PM (Kpl3J)
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 10, 2020 05:58 PM
The second one.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 10, 2020 06:00 PM (rBtIz)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 05:55 PM (rpbg1)
Of course they did, original ideas are so hard to come by!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -YOU are all in this together!- at July 10, 2020
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They are hard to come by, that's true . . . especially if you keep digging in the same location and never look beyond it.
"Hey, old prospector, that gold strike is all mined out."
"No it isn't! Look, if I just flatten this old nugget and refold it, it'll look brand new!"
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 06:00 PM (rpbg1)
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 10, 2020 06:01 PM (W2Pud)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 05:38 PM (rpbg1)
Thank you!
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 06:01 PM (GbPPJ)
and that was just today! I figured I was way-willowed so I thought I could get away with correcting my earlier post. I didn't think anyone read my ramblings, so it's both gratifying and humbling. I agree that the original post ("3900 words was equivalent to 3900 words") was probably more accurate!
Posted by: jayhawkone at July 10, 2020 06:02 PM (ZD+J8)
Primer. In this usage is it pronounced 'pry-mer' like the paint, or 'prim-er' like prim and proper?
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 10, 2020 05:58 PM (q1Pj5)
prim-er, I believe.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at July 10, 2020 06:02 PM (ufFY8)
sentences in your 3rd-to-last paragraph. Strunk and White would have
approved.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 05:38 PM (rpbg1)
We do too.
Posted by: Dewey Chetum and Howe at July 10, 2020 06:02 PM (Jx5Qs)
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 10, 2020 05:58 PM
The second one.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 10, 2020
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Yes, like the word for your first-grade reading book. PRIM-errr.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 06:02 PM (rpbg1)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 10, 2020 06:02 PM (85Gof)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 10, 2020 05:57 PM (AytXr)
*awkwardly tips hat*
Uh... exchange of consideration to you as well.
Posted by: hogmartin
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And just like that, we have a contract.
Posted by: A Christmas Carol at July 10, 2020 06:02 PM (CTJwJ)
https://tinyurl.com/y9ztzb56
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 10, 2020 06:03 PM (oJN+m)
Posted by: A Christmas Carol at July 10, 2020 06:03 PM (CTJwJ)
I now feel a bit better about Certain Zoning Issues related to Crazy Miklos' Tzampotli Family Fun Park and Endless Outdoor Taco Bar.
Posted by: Miklos reopens economy one skull at a time at July 10, 2020 06:03 PM (QzkSJ)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 10, 2020 06:03 PM (CTJwJ)
That's what I mean by "lost the plot". This has turned from a criminal case into endless legal wrangling and the concept of fair and speedy trial, due process, etc has been lost in a pile of lawyering.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 06:03 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 10, 2020 06:04 PM (85Gof)
Heh. This is old, but funny:
https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/
im-comic-sans-asshole
Posted by: Lizzy at July 10, 2020 06:04 PM (bDqIh)
Posted by: Tom Servo at July 10, 2020 06:04 PM (Kpl3J)
No, I don't need the wifi that I pay for, whyever would I want that.
This is why I always have at least one desktop that's hardwired, not just wifi.
Now to try to get the printer to work hahahahahahaha
*injects heroin into eyeball*
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 06:04 PM (GbPPJ)
Posted by: A Christmas Carol
When two Parties love each other very much...
Posted by: Miklosian Contractual Birds and Bees at July 10, 2020 06:04 PM (QzkSJ)
Exchange of consideration!
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 10, 2020 05:57 PM (AytXr)
*awkwardly tips hat*
Uh... exchange of consideration to you as well.
Posted by: hogmartin
And just like that, we have a contract.
Posted by: A Christmas Carol at July 10, 2020 06:02 PM (CTJwJ)
And maybe, just maybe, a love connection as well?
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 10, 2020 06:04 PM (jjaLl)
"Why do you think?!"
Yeah, I'm not a lawyer.
Posted by: t-bird at July 10, 2020 06:04 PM (KfC1e)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 05:38 PM (rpbg1)
Thank you!
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020
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I consider myself something of an expert on editing and tightening sentences and paragraphs. If I read something I've written and it sounds loose or flabby, it's time to make the words do some situps and crunches, i.e., cut some stuff. Your sentences were not flabby.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 06:04 PM (rpbg1)
** scrambles to find the OFF button for the "Math Terminology Used in the Blog" klaxon **
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 10, 2020 05:57 PM
I recall a book from my youth that consisted of puns via a series of photographs.
One was of a guy on a beach in a bathing suit hoisting two small children onto his shoulders and walking away.
"Two go off on a tan gent".
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 10, 2020 06:05 PM (rBtIz)
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 10, 2020 06:05 PM (q1Pj5)
Yes, like the word for your first-grade reading book. PRIM-errr.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
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Annnnd, that's when the Dick and Jane jokes started.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 10, 2020 06:05 PM (CTJwJ)
In fact, the Federal system requires a separate affirmation by the submitting attorney that the word count function of a word processing system has been used to insure that the word count requirements were followed.
The scientist in me would tie their asses yo for weeks at a time with questions of how and when word counter was calibrated and whether the firm in question has a certified record keeping system that documents said calibrations.
Not to mention the question of how often the firm brings in outside word counter calibration standards' checking firms to determine whether everything is on the up and up vis-a-vis standards set by all and sundry certification standards'-setting bodies.
Oh, it would be fun!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 10, 2020 06:05 PM (OxYQ1)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 06:05 PM (KZzsI)
Thanks for the primer. Now, can we get Victory Tits if the petition is denied and cert is denied? Pleeeeeeease?
Posted by: Huck Follywood, hunker in the bunker at July 10, 2020 06:05 PM (NVYyb)
Posted by: Nike at July 10, 2020 06:06 PM (sWM8x)
That the court didn't slap him down and dismiss the case shows me that the entire court is corrupt. Period. End of story.
Is it any wonder sane people hold the courts and by extension lawyers in contempt. I know there are a number of lawyers on this site and you get tarred with the same brush but even you have to see time is running out.
Posted by: Embarrassing Stain at July 10, 2020 06:06 PM (eBRhe)
"Absent an order of the court, a reply to the responses will not be accepted for filing.
Couldn't "absent an order of the court" be read to mean that while the court is telling Sullivan "we're done listening to you", the court is also telling everyone "but we might change our minds and let Sullivan reply to Powell's responses after all." ?
Posted by: Hands at July 10, 2020 06:06 PM (786Ro)
Rule 24 (e) of the court's rules provide for the issuance of an order allowing a response.
Posted by: Wethal at July 10, 2020 06:07 PM (ZzVCK)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 06:04 PM (rpbg1)
I was given a word count. It hits it. A scalpel may have been used. Hence the lack of profanity.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 06:07 PM (GbPPJ)
Well I'm re-writing an old Champions scenario to update to 6th edition and there's a Comic Sans-like font for the chapter headings but that just sees appropriate. Its actually Anime Ace because I like how it looks.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 06:07 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 06:04 PM (GbPPJ)
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Have you tried turning it off and then turning it on again?
Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 10, 2020 06:07 PM (CAJOC)
I'm afraid I've got to disagree, once again. These people aren't dopes, especially on the DC Circuit. They're not wrangling lawyers wrangling--they're partisans.
Posted by: artemis at July 10, 2020 06:07 PM (AwPyG)
Posted by: Muldoon at July 10, 2020 06:07 PM (Fc5rx)
So, even in 11 days, we will have no idea what will happen
Maybe they wait a week then order oral arguments
Or maybe they dismiss
Or maybe nothing for .... months
I'm sure there must be a rule that says what and when the en banc has to act
But "there are no rules here" as an infamous dem once leaked the truth
Posted by: RoyalOil at July 10, 2020 06:07 PM (xtB2W)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius
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Annnnd, that's when the Dick and Jane jokes started.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 10, 2020
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In grammar school, our teacher would tell us not to read ahead in our reading book. Of course I smuggled it home in my bookbag and read it through in a weekend. No wonder I thought school was boring until I got to HS. (And then I liked HS partly because there were girls)
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 06:07 PM (rpbg1)
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at July 10, 2020 06:08 PM (oJN+m)
Posted by: If conservative inc. were actually who they say they are at July 10, 2020 06:08 PM (BRkq2)
TO me it just shows that the entire system isn't about justice or truth, its about procedure. They have a system, a method that they think works like clockwork and the hell with your rights and the truth. Its like dealing with Vogons
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 06:09 PM (KZzsI)
Thanks for the primer. Now, can we get Victory Tits if the petition is denied and cert is denied? Pleeeeeeease?
Posted by: Huck Follywood, hunker in the bunker at July 10, 2020 06:05 PM (NVYyb)
VT3 will be issued when the dismissal with prejudice for Flynn is timestamped in.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 06:09 PM (GbPPJ)
Posted by: Count de Monet
It's "pree mare". Like "Niger" is pronounced "nee zhare".
Posted by: Barky Obama at July 10, 2020 06:09 PM (786Ro)
Posted by: t-bird at July 10, 2020 06:09 PM (/2aWP)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2020 06:09 PM (QFqpA)
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 06:09 PM
#twoweeks
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 10, 2020 06:10 PM (rBtIz)
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eh...?
not so sure, the writ is the DOJ's property because they got the writ issue in their favor (for convoluted legal reasons).
The judge is a non factor. He has no interest, he's merely been corrected in his role of arbiter.
Posted by: guest myspace user at July 10, 2020 06:10 PM (rnk6i)
186 Wait. AlexTheChick is a chick? Why am I always the last to learn these things?
Posted by: Muldoon
It's not that we think you can't learn, it's that we know you'll likely not retain what you were taught.
"Yeah, Muldoon'll catch up on things ... eventually."
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 10, 2020 06:10 PM (OxYQ1)
Posted by: guest myspace user at July 10, 2020 06:10 PM (rnk6i)
It's normal for the court to discourage a response to a reply except on order. The main reason there's a page limit is because everyone on the court already knows the arguments that will be made by each side--no one is really being educated. Mainly, the court needs to hear the timeline of what happened.*
*former fed clerk, here
Posted by: artemis at July 10, 2020 06:11 PM (AwPyG)
We try to hide things from you.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at July 10, 2020 06:12 PM (r+sAi)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 06:03 PM (KZzsI)
Remember, the important thing is that the lawyers, all of them, are on the clock!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -YOU are all in this together!- at July 10, 2020 06:12 PM (eTZoJ)
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at July 10, 2020 06:12 PM (tzqSM)
If so, then I believe it is appropriate to be aggravated at the process because if there is an example of a case where. the court should just deny the En Banc request it's this one.
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 10, 2020 06:12 PM (2DOZq)
I thought they would welcome this.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at July 10, 2020 06:12 PM (dNzKv)
"Absent an order of the court, a reply to the responses will not be accepted for filing.
Couldn't "absent an order of the court" be read to mean that while the court is telling Sullivan "we're done listening to you", the court is also telling everyone "but we might change our minds and let Sullivan reply to Powell's responses after all." ?
Posted by: Hands at July 10, 2020 06:06 PM (786Ro)
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I'm not a lawyer, either, but I suspect the reason is that they don't know what they're going to get from Flynn. Something in Flynn's filing might warrant a response.
Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 10, 2020 06:12 PM (CAJOC)
Posted by: Zombie Nikolai Bukharin at July 10, 2020 06:13 PM (Z+IKu)
Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2020 06:09 PM (QFqpA)
You're welcome.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 06:13 PM (GbPPJ)
Let the festivities begin.
Posted by: Regular joe at July 10, 2020 06:13 PM (L9P9s)
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they don't need a bunch of amicus briefs coming in. They already know what they want to know and if they want to know anything else, they'll let you know
Posted by: guest myspace user at July 10, 2020 06:13 PM (rnk6i)
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 06:07 PM (GbPPJ)
399 words when 300-400 was requested.
Yeah...that is called "attention to detail."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 10, 2020 06:13 PM (dLLD6)
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My work here (charitably self-described, but still...) is done. I can rest easy now. Cocktail hour may commence! Thank you my dear Empress and may Clevinger and/or Beiber deliver the WS win you deserve.
Posted by: Huck Follywood, hunker in the bunker at July 10, 2020 06:14 PM (NVYyb)
Only from a lawyer's point of view. The entire purpose of this is a criminal case against someone who is now in a nebulous vapor land without justice and paying for every minute of this procedural bullcrap. It is about him, unless you're so myopic you only look at the first page of the novel. See, the great white whale isn't even ON page one of this Moby Dick story!
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 06:14 PM (KZzsI)
Is Sullivan, along with Flynn and the DOJ, now a party to the case?
Isn't a Judge supposed to be impartial? Or is Sullivan now setting up a separate case involving himself against Flynn? Wouldn't a separate case require a person that is not a party to the case to be the Judge?
And do judges get to have lawyers representing them against one or both parties of a case?
And can a judge appoint a private citizen (in this case, one that has already shown animus towards Flynn) to prosecute someone coming to his court?
Posted by: Minuteman at July 10, 2020 06:14 PM (/+7My)
Posted by: dagny, first of her name at July 10, 2020 06:14 PM (nRWPy)
Posted by: If conservative inc. were actually who they say they are at July 10, 2020 06:08 PM (BRkq2)
What, you mean REPORT the facts?
That's soooo last Millenium!
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 10, 2020 06:15 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Skip at July 10, 2020 06:15 PM (6f16T)
Posted by: Old Blue at July 10, 2020 06:15 PM (VNmG1)
Posted by: Muldoon at July 10, 2020 06:07 PM (Fc5rx)
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That's a terrible limerick!
Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 10, 2020 06:15 PM (CAJOC)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot:
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I don't get it.
Oh, wait just a second here...
...nope, I still don't get it.
Posted by: Muldoon at July 10, 2020 06:15 PM (Fc5rx)
Posted by: TexasDan at July 10, 2020 06:15 PM (yL25O)
Posted by: artemis at July 10, 2020 06:15 PM (AwPyG)
The scientist in me would tie their asses yo for weeks at a time with questions of how and when word counter was calibrated and whether the firm in question has a certified record keeping system that documents said calibrations.
Not to mention the question of how often the firm brings in outside word counter calibration standards' checking firms to determine whether everything is on the up and up vis-a-vis standards set by all and sundry certification standards'-setting bodies.
Oh, it would be fun!
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot
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My good friend and colleague K v. C:
Argh! Having been deposed as both witness and expert in liability and patent cases I immediately flashed back.
The kicker, though, is that one experienced in such a role can easily play the lawyers. While the lawyers have been through it all, and know the right questions to ask, and can anticipate the answer(s), they can not anticipate all answers, or the tenor of those answers.
It isn't all that difficult to kick the props out from under those guys, if one is experienced.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 10, 2020 06:16 PM (ELgVT)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at July 10, 2020 06:02 PM (85Gof)
.......
Kind of short.
*ducks, runs*
Posted by: wth at July 10, 2020 06:16 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Skip at July 10, 2020
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[Loud enough for Muldoon to hear] Here he comes. Don't say anything.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 06:16 PM (rpbg1)
A man named Frederick William Hill was a major pioneer in military aircraft design, not only being the first to outfit warplanes with timed machine-guns in WWI, but also designing game-changing gunsights, inventing the ordnance which could take down zeppelins, and most famously figuring out how to put major firepower on WWII fighter jets, the advantage which helped the allies win the Battle of Britain and stop the German advance:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_William_Hill
So. The BBC decided to a documentary on Hill -- but NOT the father Mr. Hill, but on his 13-year-old daughter, whom dad allowed to sometimes crank the manual adding machine he used to do the sophisticated calculations for the 8-barrel Gatling guns on Spitfires:
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/ uk-53352233/battle-of-britain-the- schoolgirl-who-helped-design-the-spitfire
The schoolgirl who helped design the Spitfire
Meet the young mathematician who helped design the Spitfire, the iconic aircraft that took part in the Battle of Britain, which started 80 years ago today.
Hazel Hill helped her father do the calculations that meant Spitfires could be built with eight guns instead of four. Many believe this made a big difference to the outcome of the Battle of Britain.
'The Schoolgirl who Helped Win a War' will be broadcast on the BBC News Channel at 13.30."
The only reason we even know that she helped crank the adding machine is that her dad mentioned it in an aside in his memoirs.
So in today's Revisionist History she went from helping her dad crank an adding machine, to helping him with the calculations, to being a "young mathematician," to helping him design the spitfire, to entirely designing the Spitfire herself, to helping to win the Battle of Britain, to winning the Battle of Britain, to basically saving Western Civilization by personally wining WWII.
According all this glory all because...she's a girl. Not a boy.
Her dad barely gets a mention -- not even by name. She merely helped "her father," now relegated to peripheral status. Even though he did 99.9999% of the work.
Reminder: All news and all media is bullshit.
Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 06:16 PM (HEEq1)
Posted by: Russkilitlover at July 10, 2020 06:16 PM (99Nt9)
Who, if anyone, on Twatter do you think has a handle on this shit show?
Posted by: Martini Farmer - Civilly Disobedient at July 10, 2020 06:16 PM (3H9h1)
Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 06:16 PM (HEEq1)
Ummmmmmmm......Yes.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 10, 2020 06:17 PM (Z+IKu)
Yeah...that is called "attention to detail."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 10, 2020 06:13 PM (dLLD6)
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You mean, there was still room for an f-bomb? I'm kinda disappointed now...
Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 10, 2020 06:18 PM (CAJOC)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, hunker in the bunker at July 10, 2020 06:14 PM (NVYyb)
I think it is an utter certainty that the Indians will win the World Series this year.
Why?
Because it won't count.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 06:18 PM (GbPPJ)
I heard on a radio news blip yesterday that Amazon has asked all employees to remove the TikTok app from their personal phones. Same claim of "security".
Tracking real time movements of individuals, as well as video is what TikTok does. And as any Chinese corporation, it MUST help out the CCGov't whenever asked.
Yeah, I could see that could cause a whole lot of issues.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 10, 2020 06:18 PM (sy5kK)
This just in from my personal Department of Redundancy Department.
While the how many angels can dance on the head of a pin legal discussion continues, former General Flynn remains under "court" supervision and thus is not a free citizen.
Posted by: 11B40 at July 10, 2020 06:18 PM (evgyj)
It isn't all that difficult to kick the props out from under those guys, if one is experienced.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 10, 2020 06:16 PM (ELgVT)
Therein lies the fun, albeit at the cost of continuing to let the fee meter run in the meantime.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 10, 2020 06:18 PM (OxYQ1)
Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 06:16 PM (HEEq1)
Ummmmmmmm......Yes.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 10, 2020
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Even my people see through all this crap.
Posted by: The GEICO Caveman at July 10, 2020 06:18 PM (rpbg1)
Everybody's corrupt
Posted by: artemis at July 10, 2020 06:19 PM (AwPyG)
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 06:04 PM (GbPPJ)
Same here. And also one printer access by hardwire.
Posted by: If conservative inc. were actually who they say they are at July 10, 2020 06:19 PM (BRkq2)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 10, 2020 06:19 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: TexasDan at July 10, 2020 06:15 PM (yL25O)
Some of us do. Not all, unfortunately.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 10, 2020 06:19 PM (dLLD6)
Posted by: blaster at July 10, 2020 06:20 PM (Ieq1i)
Posted by: artemis at July 10, 2020 06:20 PM (AwPyG)
Who, if anyone, on Twatter do you think has a handle on this shit show?
Posted by: Martini Farmer - Civilly Disobedient at July 10, 2020 06:16 PM (3H9h1)
No idea because I avoid legal Twitter (actual legal Twitter not Legal Twitter which makes you scamps look like Hammurabi) like the plague.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 06:20 PM (GbPPJ)
While the how many angels can dance on the head of a pin legal
discussion continues, former General Flynn remains under "court"
supervision and thus is not a free citizen.
Posted by: 11B40 at July 10, 2020 06:18 PM (evgyj)
Meanwhile, Every Single Member of the attempted coup is free as a damned bird.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 10, 2020 06:20 PM (ptqGC)
There is a huge, HUGE push on right now especially in England to find every possible minutest contribution any woman had to everything in existence and give them a huge role in it (down to big movies and even TV series) to promote the idea.
Miss Prissy Greenbaum helped design the atomic bomb! She was cleaning cups in the commissary when the work was being done, and her invaluable efforts to wash coffee cups made the work possible. Without her we would never have been able to win WW2!!!!
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 06:20 PM (KZzsI)
What's the safe word?
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 10, 2020 05:37 PM (sy5kK)
Palomino ... everyone knows that ...
Posted by: Adriane the I like Harlan Ellison's Stuff ... Sometimes Critic ... at July 10, 2020 06:20 PM (LPnfS)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 10, 2020 06:20 PM (+y/Ru)
White Male, he must be written out of history.
Social Justice Moose out front should have told you.
Oh, wait, sorry, we tore that moose down.
Never mind.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 10, 2020 06:20 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 10, 2020 06:21 PM (2DOZq)
So in today's Revisionist History she went from helping her dad crank an adding machine, to helping him with the calculations, to being a "young mathematician," to helping him design the spitfire, to entirely designing the Spitfire herself, to helping to win the Battle of Britain, to winning the Battle of Britain, to basically saving Western Civilization by personally wining WWII.
Sounds not unlike the plot line for "Proof".
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 10, 2020 06:21 PM (OxYQ1)
You really should stay abreast of these things, Muldoon!
Posted by: Lizzy at July 10, 2020 06:21 PM (bDqIh)
Posted by: klaftern at July 10, 2020 06:21 PM (RuIsu)
Posted by: MAGA at July 10, 2020 06:22 PM (N3XsH)
Is that anything like Asti Spumante?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 10, 2020 06:22 PM (Bg61v)
Posted by: Can't resist temptation at July 10, 2020 06:22 PM (2DOZq)
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at July 10, 2020 06:22 PM (1Dmt5)
I heard on a radio news blip yesterday that Amazon has asked all employees to remove the TikTok app from their personal phones. Same claim of "security".
Tracking real time movements of individuals, as well as video is what TikTok does. And as any Chinese corporation, it MUST help out the CCGov't whenever asked.
Yeah, I could see that could cause a whole lot of issues.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 10, 2020 06:18 PM (sy5kK)
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Saw over on Insty that Amazon changed their mind.
Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 10, 2020 06:22 PM (CAJOC)
This entire debacle has been a nightmare for his family.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 10, 2020 06:22 PM (ptqGC)
So, is there a better way of sending them that data?
Posted by: Dem Campaigns at July 10, 2020 06:22 PM (8eSmR)
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 10, 2020 06:22 PM (jjaLl)
Got a phonecall from China about supply chains and delivery services in China.
"Look Gaijin, do you want our money or not? Think about this carefully, white devil."
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 06:23 PM (KZzsI)
Therein lies the fun, albeit at the cost of continuing to let the fee meter run in the meantime.
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot
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As you might imagine, I wasn't doing that for free either.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 10, 2020 06:23 PM (AytXr)
and tightening sentences and paragraphs. If I read something I've
written and it sounds loose or flabby, it's time to make the words do
some situps and crunches, i.e., cut some stuff. Your sentences were not
flabby.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at July 10, 2020 06:04 PM (rpbg1)
I like how you think, buster!
Posted by: Notorious RGB at July 10, 2020 06:23 PM (ufFY8)
Irene Curie ???
Lise Meitner ???
Posted by: Adriane the I like Harlan Ellison's Stuff ... Sometimes Critic ... at July 10, 2020 06:23 PM (LPnfS)
Posted by: Huck Follywood, hunker in the bunker at July 10, 2020 06:23 PM (NVYyb)
Just kidding. In reality Sullivan has his normal response period to the Flynn's filing the writ of mandamus to tell the Circuit Court to "FOAD I will do whatever the Ef I want". Then, when the Circuit tells him that "you cannot do whatever you want" he has this period of time to hire somebody to write an explanation why he already "FOAD".
Finally, After Sullivan has had literally weeks to explain why he did something after the fact, Flynn now has only ten days to counter what Sullivan shoul have been able to explain as he wiped his ass with the DoJ's dismissal. Entirely routine.
And that is judges as a profession have earned a level of respect somewhere between a meth dealer and a crackwhore.
Posted by: Grand Ayatola Komonki at July 10, 2020 06:24 PM (1g7ch)
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at July 10, 2020 06:24 PM (h1jJh)
Posted by: TexasDan at July 10, 2020 06:15 PM (yL25O)
Some of us do. Not all, unfortunately.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
#BlackWordsCount!
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 10, 2020 06:24 PM (+y/Ru)
Tracking real time movements of individuals, as well as video is what TikTok does. And as any Chinese corporation, it MUST help out the CCGov't whenever asked.
Yeah, I could see that could cause a whole lot of issues.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 10, 2020 06:18 PM (sy5kK)
For what it's worth, I've noticed some products on Amazon are rather prominently displaying "Made In America" as part of the description.
Before it was very difficult to find the info, and sometimes one had to leave Amazon to find the product maker's website.
I'm curious, as eeeevil as some people believe Amazon to be, are they trying to distance themselves from China?
Posted by: BurtTC at July 10, 2020 06:24 PM (hku12)
This entire debacle has been a nightmare for his family.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 10, 2020 06:22 PM (ptqGC)
Yeah, sad part?
He will win, hands down, but we the Tax payer will pay the bill.
Not the asshoe's who perpetrated the Act.
My guess is DOJ will settle that lawsuit because the LAST thing they want, is discovery going on, AGAIN.
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 10, 2020 06:24 PM (NgKpN)
Lise Meitner ???
Posted by: Adriane the I like Harlan Ellison's Stuff ... Sometimes Critic ... at July 10, 2020 06:23 PM (LPnfS)
Chelsea Clinton?
Posted by: SSBN 656 (G) at July 10, 2020 06:24 PM (jjaLl)
From my perspective that's the only thing that the courts did right in this debacle. Not that he should even need to respond (other than well DUH) but refusing the judge to comment on it and giving him a say in how this crap is spiraling out of his legal team's even involvement is a step toward actual justice.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 06:25 PM (KZzsI)
Sounds not unlike the plot line for "Proof".
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at July 10, 2020
*
*
And Hidden Figures.
Posted by: The GEICO Caveman at July 10, 2020 06:25 PM (rpbg1)
There was a reason we didn't call them Victory Pecs.
Posted by: t-bird at July 10, 2020 06:25 PM (UMXod)
Posted by: Bandersnatch at July 10, 2020 06:25 PM (gd9RK)
I read into actions.
Any time the court allows an argument there is a non-zero chance that argument can win.
If it was totally out of the realm of reason they could have just denied it. But they didn't.
It doesn't really matter what Powell replies. I mean, sure, it does, if she wrote FU Fascists! That would probably not be well received.
But the judges will rule whatever they rule, and their minds are likely already made up.
They don't need to hear more from Sullivan and they are continuing the argument.
That is what I read into.
Posted by: blaster at July 10, 2020 06:25 PM (Ieq1i)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 10, 2020 06:26 PM (H3MF8)
Posted by: t-bird at July 10, 2020 06:25 PM (UMXod)
I would not be adverse to one of the 'rons posting Victory Pecs. Just saying.
Posted by: Jordan61 at July 10, 2020 06:26 PM (kMXcT)
If his legal team is worth a dime, they have been prepping this for weeks already.
Irene Curie ???
Lise Meitner ?
Are you suggesting I somehow in any remotest sense of the word claimed no woman ever in the history of man had any slightest minimal contribution to science?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 06:27 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at July 10, 2020 06:24 PM (h1jJh)
I noticed MLB, in its infinite wisdom, has limited team schedules to in division games... and interleague games. 40/20, I think.
I mean, good grief, they just couldn't bring themselves to drop that particular shit potato.
At this point I'm just paying attention to see when they finally destroy themselves entirely.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 10, 2020 06:27 PM (hku12)
This entire debacle has been a nightmare for his family.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 10, 2020 06:22 PM (ptqGC)
Prosecutorial immunity, baby.
Even with as outrageous as all of the FBI and DOJ actions to this point have been, I foresee about a negative billionty chance that a court would ever find prosecutorial immunity would not apply.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 06:27 PM (GbPPJ)
Haven't taken anything for pain since 6:00 a.m. so I'm good. Husband has gone out to pick up food.
I feel almost sort of human. Yay!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 10, 2020 06:27 PM (ptqGC)
"Just when they rigged the entire system to load up the Yankees with every good prospect? Have you no patriotism, man??"
--Joe Torre
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 06:28 PM (KZzsI)
So same as the "American" globalist DNC monopolies' products?
Posted by: Grifters heaven at July 10, 2020 06:28 PM (BRkq2)
Motion on the Amended Motion to Compel Appeal of Prior Writ of En Banc Mandamus of Autrefois Acquit
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 10, 2020 06:28 PM (mht8P)
Posted by: Emmet G. Sullivan at July 10, 2020 06:28 PM (lIIT7)
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She was the one who came up with the idea of having two wings, one on each side.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at July 10, 2020 06:28 PM (+y/Ru)
Posted by: Grifters heaven at July 10, 2020 06:29 PM (BRkq2)
Nope, tonight we are talking about an innocent man who supported that elected President and this innocent will be shuffled along till the Communists --in their dream and plan--can convict him post--November.
But be assured, if and when (and if ever) the Huber-Durham-Barr case against the true seditionists and traitors ever comes forward it will be airtight
Posted by: Voter theater. at July 10, 2020 06:29 PM (dY2qR)
This entire debacle has been a nightmare for his family.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 10, 2020 06:22 PM (ptqGC)
Prosecutorial immunity, baby.
Even with as outrageous as all of the FBI and DOJ actions to this point have been, I foresee about a negative billionty chance that a court would ever find prosecutorial immunity would not apply.
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 06:27 PM (GbPPJ)
________________________________
Negative millionty chance.... Ulrich v. Butler.
Posted by: Orson at July 10, 2020 06:29 PM (m0dpG)
Lise Meitner ?
Are you suggesting I somehow in any remotest sense of the word
claimed no woman ever in the history of man had any slightest minimal
contribution to science?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 06:27 PM (KZzsI)
THATS FUNNY BECUSE I THOUGHT THAT CURRY CHICKS NAME WAS MADAME NOT IRENE
Posted by: BEN ROTHLEISBURGER at July 10, 2020 06:29 PM (jjaLl)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 06:25 PM (KZzsI)
What is interesting is that they are found more Brady material just LAST WEEK, and Sidney submitted that to the Circuit Court TODAY.
The Government has pretty much admitted they violated Flynn's Civil Rights, from the very outset of this case. That's now in the Court records.
And the Court's are the ones who are standing in the way of that being fixed? WTF?
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 10, 2020 06:30 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 10, 2020 06:30 PM (dJ11I)
Posted by: Can't resist temptation
Precisely.
Except this garbage-story makes even the Hidden Figures characters -- as marginal and unimportant as they may have been -- seem like Einsteins by comparison. The 13-year-old Hazel Hill didn't even do the math herself -- just took instructions from dad, maybe punching in the numbers and rotating the crank.
Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 06:30 PM (HEEq1)
Lise Meitner ?
Are you suggesting I somehow in any remotest sense of the word claimed no woman ever in the history of man had any slightest minimal contribution to science?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 06:27 PM (KZzsI)
Not in the least. I'm suggesting that a movie or tv series about these 2 women would be interesting, if done well ...
Posted by: Adriane the I like Harlan Ellison's Stuff ... Sometimes Critic ... at July 10, 2020 06:30 PM (LPnfS)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 10, 2020 06:31 PM (mht8P)
Posted by: Chillin the most at July 10, 2020 06:31 PM (lonOK)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 10, 2020 06:30 PM (dJ11I)
Thanks! Thank goodness I'm in a wheelchair, tho!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 10, 2020 06:31 PM (ptqGC)
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"Just when they rigged the entire system to load up the Yankees with every good prospect? Have you no patriotism, man??"
--Joe Torre
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 06:28 PM (KZzsI)
I almost miss the days when the game's worst attribute was the dominance of a handful of franchises.
There's something resolutely American about greed and inequality, compared to the crep they're giving us now.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 10, 2020 06:31 PM (hku12)
Enjoy !
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at July 10, 2020 06:31 PM (0IMgo)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 10, 2020 06:26 PM (H3MF
Unacceptable?
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
We are accepting it.
When the en banc gives Sullivan prosecutorial power over Flynn and investigatory power into Barr, how will you not accept it?
Posted by: blaster at July 10, 2020 06:31 PM (Ieq1i)
I'm curious, as eeeevil as some people believe Amazon to be, are they trying to distance themselves from China?
Posted by: BurtTC at July 10, 2020 06:24 PM (hku12)
Amazon wants to be the infrastructure for all e-commerce, period.
Dip their beaks on every single transaction. That is Jeff's dream and vision. And then becoming so market dominant, people go there and buy stuff out of habit, so price becomes secondary.
Made In America is just another marketing slogan to the mid-level marketing assistants who assist the 3rd party sellers to create the product pages.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 10, 2020 06:32 PM (sy5kK)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 10, 2020 06:20 PM (ptqGC)
Gotta love it when a plan comes (and stays) together!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -YOU are all in this together!- at July 10, 2020 06:32 PM (eTZoJ)
Yeah I agree with that completely. Plenty of amazing examples of brilliant women to write about, even Hedy Lamarr for crying out loud. Instead they have to invent this crap to rewrite history.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 06:32 PM (KZzsI)
Sullivan: Get stuffed. Come back with the whole court.
Court: You, person being staked out and flayed alive in the searing desert by Sullivan, tell us why we should not get the whole court to tell him to do the thing.
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Ah, that the public understands.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 10, 2020 06:32 PM (1g7ch)
Reminder: All news and all media is bullshit.
Posted by: zombie at July 10, 2020 06:16 PM (HEEq1)
Next up: the story of the scullery maid who invented calculus by sharpening the pencils for some guy, Isaac something or other.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 06:32 PM (osklw)
Einstein's wife came up with the Theory of Relativity.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 10, 2020 06:31 PM (mht8P)
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No, his cleaning lady did.
"Everything's squared away, yessir, squaaarrrred away..."
Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 10, 2020 06:33 PM (CAJOC)
Einstein's wife came up with the Theory of Relativity.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 10, 2020 06:31 PM (mht8P)
Yep, if its My Relatives, its OK, if its your Relatives, its wrong.
Theory of Relativity.
Posted by: Old Lady Einstein at July 10, 2020 06:33 PM (NgKpN)
Posted by: Buck Throckmorton at July 10, 2020 06:33 PM (d9Cw3)
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 10, 2020 06:30 PM (NgKpN)
We gave away half of Oklahoma to free one admitted pedophile, so yeah, you dumbshit.
Posted by: Notorious RGB at July 10, 2020 06:33 PM (ufFY8)
Posted by: Newton's waitress dropped an apple at July 10, 2020 06:33 PM (BRkq2)
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 10, 2020 06:24 PM (NgKpN)
Won't happen until Barr and Marlboro finish their report.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 10, 2020 06:34 PM (1g7ch)
Einstein's wife came up with the Theory of Relativity.
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 10, 2020 06:31 PM (mht8P)
or was it the In-laws?
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 10, 2020 06:34 PM (sy5kK)
Burt
What Amazon DOES do is list products NOT made in America when one does a search specifically for Made in America products on Amazon.
I quit them. Wife is leaning that way, when I pointed out how much all the shipping would have been over a year or purchases vs the $100 annual fee.
Posted by: MarkY at July 10, 2020 06:34 PM (DP75u)
Posted by: blaster at July 10, 2020 06:34 PM (Ieq1i)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 10, 2020 06:35 PM (wPVhA)
Dip their beaks on every single transaction. That is Jeff's dream and vision. And then becoming so market dominant, people go there and buy stuff out of habit, so price becomes secondary.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 10, 2020 06:32 PM (sy5kK)
Bezos will sell you the rope (made in China and relabeled made in USA) that antifa uses to hang you with!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -YOU are all in this together!- at July 10, 2020 06:35 PM (eTZoJ)
Posted by: blaster at July 10, 2020 06:35 PM (Ieq1i)
Posted by: Barky Obama at July 10, 2020 06:36 PM (786Ro)
Posted by: wth at July 10, 2020 06:36 PM (v0R5T)
Posted by: Hands at July 10, 2020 06:36 PM (786Ro)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 10, 2020 06:31 PM (mht8P)
All things are Relative.
All Relatives are things.
My Relatives took all my things ...
Posted by: Adriane the I like Harlan Ellison's Stuff ... Sometimes Critic ... at July 10, 2020 06:36 PM (LPnfS)
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 10, 2020 06:36 PM (W2Pud)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 10, 2020 06:36 PM (wPVhA)
Posted by: bill in arkansas at July 10, 2020 06:37 PM (C1Lsn)
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at July 10, 2020 06:24 PM (h1jJh)
A few days ago, Stanford U canceled 11 varsity sports for the upcoming year.
I am out of snark in response.
Snarkless in Seattle.
Both embarrassing and depressing at the same time.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 10, 2020 06:37 PM (sy5kK)
Posted by: Barky Obama at July 10, 2020 06:36 PM (786Ro)
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Don't think anyone here can count that high.
Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 10, 2020 06:37 PM (CAJOC)
Posted by: Boswell at July 10, 2020 06:37 PM (32YRo)
Is that anything like Asti Spumante?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 10, 2020 06:22 PM
Much, much drier.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 10, 2020 06:37 PM (rBtIz)
Posted by: Ignoramus at July 10, 2020 06:38 PM (9TdxA)
Posted by: Zero Prosecutions Zero Raids at July 10, 2020 06:38 PM (LRt8K)
I am out of snark in response.
Snarkless in Seattle.
Both embarrassing and depressing at the same time.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg
I feel for the kids who have trained their asses off and now... ZAP! gone
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 10, 2020 06:38 PM (W2Pud)
Posted by: JAS at July 10, 2020 06:38 PM (2BZBZ)
Lise Meitner ?
I'll play: Rosalyn Yalow, Maria Goeppert Mayer, to name two off the top of my head.
But who's ever heard of Pierre Curie? He was tied with Marie and Irene for Nobel Prizes.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 06:38 PM (osklw)
Posted by: blaster at July 10, 2020 06:34 PM (Ieq1i)
ITS FUNNY BECAUSE BANCS ONLY HAVE MONIES AND THEY DONT DO THINGS LIKE HAPPEN ORRULE
Posted by: BEN ROTHLEISBURGER at July 10, 2020 06:38 PM (jjaLl)
Posted by: yonkers at July 10, 2020 05:57 PM (iEwPk)
A very good chance, if you were quick to get away and quick to report it. The average village police force with a single pickup truck has more credibility than the entire de Blasio administration.
Posted by: trev006 at July 10, 2020 06:38 PM (O2y/K)
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at July 10, 2020 06:38 PM (H3MF8)
Posted by: wth
HAIRY victory moobs
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 10, 2020 06:36 PM (W2Pud)
Once knew a redhead who had that.
Like a red haired mustache running around her nipples.
Different.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 10, 2020 06:39 PM (Z+IKu)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 10, 2020 06:39 PM (dJ11I)
Posted by: JAS at July 10, 2020 06:39 PM (2BZBZ)
Instead they have to invent this crap to rewrite history.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 06:32 PM (KZzsI) "
getting everyone used to the idea.
Posted by: sock_rat_eez, we are being gaslighted 24/365 at July 10, 2020 06:39 PM (0IMgo)
And if one does happen, and Sullivan wins (thereby taking this travesty to the level of historic judicial outrage, up there with anything in our history), then what?
Posted by: rhomboid at July 10, 2020 06:39 PM (El6T/)
Posted by: Romeo13 at July 10, 2020 06:30 PM (NgKpN)
It is better that a hundred guilty go free than one innocent.
- The Courts.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 10, 2020 06:40 PM (1g7ch)
Posted by: Skip at July 10, 2020 06:40 PM (6f16T)
Posted by: JAS at July 10, 2020 06:40 PM (2BZBZ)
Posted by: Sinba at July 10, 2020 06:41 PM (+U5Yr)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 10, 2020 06:41 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 10, 2020 06:41 PM (IoJVq)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 10, 2020 06:31 PM (mht8P)
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No, his cleaning lady did.
"Everything's squared away, yessir, squaaarrrred away..."
Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 10, 2020 06:33 PM (CAJOC)
"Mmmm, I'm leaving for the day, Dr. Einstein. See you at the square."
"W-what? That's it! That's it! mc squared!"
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 06:41 PM (osklw)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 10, 2020 06:39 PM (dJ11I)
On me - here's a couple of $$.
Posted by: Boswell at July 10, 2020 06:41 PM (32YRo)
Posted by: wth
HAIRY victory moobs
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 10, 2020 06:36 PM (W2Pud)
The hip phrase is "hirsute", or so the internet wants to push.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 10, 2020 06:41 PM (sy5kK)
Posted by: JAS at July 10, 2020 06:41 PM (2BZBZ)
Lise Meitner ?
I'll play: Rosalyn Yalow, Maria Goeppert Mayer, to name two off the top of my head.
That's 4 names.
There are more than 4 writers that read this blog...
Posted by: Adriane the I like Harlan Ellison's Stuff ... Sometimes Critic ... at July 10, 2020 06:42 PM (LPnfS)
But who's ever heard of Pierre Curie? He was tied with Marie and Irene for Nobel Prizes.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 06:38 PM (osklw)
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Marie Goeppert Mayer? Love her hot dogs!
Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 10, 2020 06:42 PM (CAJOC)
And if one does happen, and Sullivan wins (thereby taking this travesty to the level of historic judicial outrage, up there with anything in our history), then what?
Posted by: rhomboid
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good question, the 10 day thing seems to indicate that the 14+7 day period is going to restart if no en banc happens
Posted by: guest myspace user at July 10, 2020 06:42 PM (rnk6i)
I'd say deterrence/intimidation is already well past having been established.
Of course still important to vindicate Flynn, but more out of "it's the right thing" considerations.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 10, 2020 06:42 PM (El6T/)
"Everything's squared away, yessir, squaaarrrred away..."
Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 10, 2020 06:33 PM
Was that a Far Side cartoon?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 10, 2020 06:42 PM (rBtIz)
Posted by: JAS at July 10, 2020 06:39 PM (2BZBZ)
Asti objects...
Posted by: Boswell at July 10, 2020 06:42 PM (32YRo)
Posted by: willow at July 10, 2020 06:43 PM (FyQfo)
Posted by: attilla isn't so bad, really at July 10, 2020 06:43 PM (w7KSn)
Posted by: JAS at July 10, 2020 06:40 PM (2BZBZ)
Yes. I've forgotten her maiden name, as it was Polish and lacked any vowels, but she got the "Curie" from Pierre, and he was a stud in his own right, doing a lot of the seminal work on magnetism in particular (e.g., Curie temperature). Overshadowed by Marie because ... reasons.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 06:43 PM (osklw)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 10, 2020 06:31 PM (mht8P)
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No, his cleaning lady did.
"Everything's squared away, yessir, squaaarrrred away..."
Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 10, 2020 06:33 PM (CAJOC)
"Mmmm, I'm leaving for the day, Dr. Einstein. See you at the square."
"W-what? That's it! That's it! mc squared!"
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 06:41 PM (osklw)
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MC Squared - Einstein's rap name
Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 10, 2020 06:43 PM (CAJOC)
On the first draft, the tablet burst into flames due the profanity used.
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 10, 2020 06:41 PM (IoJVq)
*shifty eyes* Whatever do you mean?
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 06:43 PM (GbPPJ)
Posted by: rhomboid at July 10, 2020 06:44 PM (El6T/)
Posted by: guest myspace user at July 10, 2020 06:42 PM (rnk6i)
"It goes on, Judah...the race! It goes on!"
Posted by: Boswell at July 10, 2020 06:44 PM (32YRo)
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 10, 2020 06:44 PM (q1Pj5)
Posted by: JAS at July 10, 2020 06:41 PM (2BZBZ)
You have Nancy Pelosi?
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 10, 2020 06:44 PM (sy5kK)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 10, 2020 06:44 PM (ptqGC)
"Everything's squared away, yessir, squaaarrrred away..."
Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 10, 2020 06:33 PM
Was that a Far Side cartoon?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 10, 2020 06:42 PM (rBtIz)
----------------------------
Yes, yes it was...
Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 10, 2020 06:44 PM (CAJOC)
https://tinyurl.com/ybuymwma
Posted by: redridinghood at July 10, 2020 06:44 PM (wiXsO)
After that it's anybody's guess.
But the practical effect is that this case is far from over.
Posted by: blaster at July 10, 2020 06:45 PM (Ieq1i)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 10, 2020 06:45 PM (wPVhA)
Posted by: JAS at July 10, 2020 06:41 PM (2BZBZ)
Me: If I was to come over, who would know?
You: Well, you would know, and I would know. Of course Old Crow would know... and the two other fellers.
Me: Two other fellers? What two other fellers??
You: The two other fellers who'll need to hold down Old Crow, Old Crow don't go for that neither.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 10, 2020 06:45 PM (hku12)
Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 10, 2020 06:43 PM (CAJOC)
Lil Al
Grandmaster Al
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 06:45 PM (osklw)
Ignoramus - I fear and just about assume that goal's already been
accomplished. Who wants to go through what Flynn has? And imagine
being a normie, not a very senior officer with a spotless record who's
served at the very top of the chain.
I'd say deterrence/intimidation is already well past having been established.
Of course still important to vindicate Flynn, but more out of "it's the right thing" considerations.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 10, 2020 06:42 PM (El6T/)
These assholes are really, really pushing people to consider alternate means of obtaining justice. They better stop and think.
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at July 10, 2020 06:45 PM (ufFY8)
Posted by: Anna Puma at July 10, 2020 06:41 PM (IoJVq)
*shifty eyes* Whatever do you mean?
Posted by: alexthechick - Boobs and hysteria at July 10, 2020 06:43 PM (GbPPJ)
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Maybe that's why your router died...
Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 10, 2020 06:46 PM (CAJOC)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 10, 2020 06:46 PM (ptqGC)
I hope it's the road that leads back into Mexico, where they can once again be Mexican citizens.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 06:46 PM (osklw)
Posted by: LASue at July 10, 2020 06:46 PM (Ed8Zd)
Posted by: No One of Consequence at July 10, 2020 06:44 PM
Thought so. My memory is awful.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at July 10, 2020 06:46 PM (rBtIz)
@MeetThePress
BREAKING: President Trump tells Telemundo's
@jdbalart
he will sign an executive order on immigration that will include DACA in the coming weeks. #mtpdaily
Trump: "One of the aspects of the bill is going to be DACA. We are going to have a road to citizenship."
Video: https://tinyurl.com/y8qt2alx
Posted by: BetaCuck4Life at July 10, 2020 06:46 PM (FBrfY)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 10, 2020 06:47 PM (dJ11I)
Posted by: willow at July 10, 2020 06:47 PM (qsljc)
Probably another six weeks, then who's to force him to comply? He can simply refuse to listen and appoint a prosecutor, what's the higher court going to do about that, hold their breath? The entire court system relies on honor, dignity, and integrity on the part of.... politically appointed lawyers.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 06:47 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 06:45 PM (osklw)
Fiddy Parsecs
Posted by: Boswell at July 10, 2020 06:47 PM (32YRo)
Posted by: LASue at July 10, 2020 06:46 PM (Ed8Zd)
It's certainly not BLM or ActBlue, that's for sure. Or even Soros, who's probably got his hands in his pockets.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 06:47 PM (osklw)
Posted by: TexasDan at July 10, 2020 06:15 PM (yL25O)
Only when it's not movie reviews.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at July 10, 2020 06:47 PM (ijEPD)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 10, 2020 06:45 PM (wPVhA)
I dated a redhead once. Evil lil' thing, she was. No good for me, but consarnit, I was powerfully drawn to her.
Posted by: BurtTC at July 10, 2020 06:47 PM (hku12)
Posted by: Deplorable Ian Galt at July 10, 2020 06:48 PM (ufFY8)
https://tinyurl.com/ybuymwma
Posted by: redridinghood at July 10, 2020 06:44 PM (wiXsO)
Go back to your home country and apply for an immigrant visa.
That was easy.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 10, 2020 06:48 PM (1g7ch)
I am out of snark in response.
Snarkless in Seattle.
Both embarrassing and depressing at the same time.
----
My school keeps begging me to buy season football tickets. I am dead certain they are going to cancel more and more shit including college classes and sports. I expect an announcement in less than 2 weeks. They keep increasing the misery for us even though the virus is proving itself to be a complete dud. In Oregon we went from flattening the curve to finding a cure.
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at July 10, 2020 06:48 PM (h1jJh)
I'm lightheaded after three sips.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 10, 2020 06:48 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: A dude in MI at July 10, 2020 06:48 PM (/6GbT)
BREAKING: President Trump tells Telemundo's
@jdbalart
he will sign an executive order on immigration that will include DACA in the coming weeks. #mtpdaily
Trump: "One of the aspects of the bill is going to be DACA. We are going to have a road to citizenship."
I hope that that's a head fake.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 06:49 PM (osklw)
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/07/judge-sullivan-seeks-en-back-review.php
Posted by: Vladtheimp at July 10, 2020 06:49 PM (YgtLZ)
Posted by: nurse ratched at July 10, 2020 06:49 PM (W2Pud)
Posted by: TexasDan at July 10, 2020 06:15 PM (yL25O)
Only when it's not movie reviews.
Posted by: Jeff Weimer at July 10, 2020 06:47 PM (ijEPD)
No one said that word count had to be a maximum. Maybe it's a minimum.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 06:50 PM (osklw)
Negative millionty chance.... Ulrich v. Butler.
Posted by: Orson at July 10, 2020 06:29 PM (m0dpG)
Lars is a douche, so my money's on Geezer.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 10, 2020 06:50 PM (EGyGV)
As we were leaving my ortho surgeon's on Tuesday, the football team of one of the private schools was practicing. No masks on them or the coaches.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 10, 2020 06:51 PM (ptqGC)
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at July 10, 2020 06:47 PM (KZzsI)
This is actually the point - this imbecile is already flaunting District Court rules - what are ya gonna do, huh?
Their answer today was - "oh, let us follow us selves some mo rules!" Sullivan will continue this charade until some ruling authority, somewhere, shuts this shit down, and that's what he's basically defying - well, in AtC legalese and all.
Posted by: Boswell at July 10, 2020 06:52 PM (32YRo)
Let the festivities begin.
Posted by: Regular joe
Covid only comes out after midnight.
Posted by: rickb223 at July 10, 2020 06:52 PM (QFqpA)
Posted by: Ben Had at July 10, 2020 06:39 PM
Iran just executed someone for drinking alcohol for the sixth time (i.e. they'd be told not to do that 5 times previously). This is relatively lenient, because Islamic law allows execution after the third warning.
So, I'll buy a round, under two conditions:
1) Any whiskey you order has an 'e' in whiskey.
2) This is less than your sixth drink.
Submariners and Marines are exempt from one (your choice) of the above.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 10, 2020 06:53 PM (DMUuz)
https://tinyurl.com/ybuymwma
Posted by: redridinghood at July 10, 2020 06:44 PM (wiXsO)
Hmmm.
Trump is a Grand Master. The DACA citizenship issue is a Blue Chip in negotiation with the Democrats/Nevers.
He is choosing to spend it this way, instead of negotiations with Congress. It seems like a change to me.
Is PDT realizing it is time NOW to spend it, because it will not be of value later?
Most DACAs are now teens or in their twenties, so they are to a greater or lesser extent, already "Americanized" about as much as could be.
IDK what to think about this.
Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at July 10, 2020 06:53 PM (sy5kK)
The administration has long ago, and obviously and inarguably, ruled that DACA was unconstitutional. That position surely has not changed, so any EO would be very limited in what it could do.
Impossible to believe that Trump will be attempting any version of the ludicrous illegality of the original DACA EO.
He has long correctly pointed out that Congress must change the law, only "fix".
Of course this "fix" may have disastrous real-world follow-on consequences - but I'm just talking legalities here.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 10, 2020 06:54 PM (El6T/)
Video: https://tinyurl.com/y8qt2alx
A yuge, luxurious road to citizenship. So many roads, you'll say stop stop too much roads. No one makes better roads than we do.
Posted by: Donaldo Dos Scoops at July 10, 2020 06:54 PM (786Ro)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 10, 2020 06:51 PM
I think American football, as a game, would be vastly improved by the removal of facemarks from helmets.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 10, 2020 06:54 PM (DMUuz)
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at July 10, 2020 06:45 PM (osklw)
Fiddy Parsecs
Posted by: Boswell
MC Skwared, yo
Posted by: Donaldo Dos Scoops at July 10, 2020 06:56 PM (786Ro)
Posted by: Hands at July 10, 2020 06:56 PM (786Ro)
The whole exchange is kind of batshit.
Which I don't care about, all I care about is what happens.
Cruz and a few others already going ballistic, reminding all that only Congress can change a law. But as I said, Trump muddied the waters enough that I'm not too concerned, and I expect a clarification.
Posted by: rhomboid at July 10, 2020 07:00 PM (El6T/)
that's (3889) why (3890) General (3891) Flynn (3892) deserves (3893) the (3894) Writ (3895) of (3896) Mandamus (3897). The (389 end (3899). Refrigerator (3900).Posted by: The Last Sentence of Powell's Reply at July 10, 2020 07:00 PM (hvFcw)
Appeals Courts regularly remand cases with instructions to the lower court Judge, to include reversing their rulings. That does not make them parties to the dispute with procedural rights. A lower court does not get to argue against an appeal of an order or decision; the order or decision speaks for itself.
Posted by: GrantLR at July 10, 2020 07:01 PM (cZAYz)
Couldn't the District Appeals Court have just used one word to Sullivan's request today?
"NO"
I don't think there is anything in their "rules" that suggests they have to seek a reply from Flynn and the DOJ - they just requested that for their own review. Meaning that this is, basically like Tom Servo and CT have suggested, really ultimately a delaying tactic with no clear ability to change what the three panel ruling already ruled.
Posted by: Boswell at July 10, 2020 07:01 PM (32YRo)
Posted by: Zero Prosecutions Zero Raids at July 10, 2020 06:38 PM (LRt8K)
Thank goodness he is a straight-shooting man of integrity and has had a candor implant!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -YOU are all in this together!- at July 10, 2020 07:08 PM (eTZoJ)
Posted by: klaftern at July 10, 2020 07:09 PM (RuIsu)
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at July 10, 2020 06:31 PM (mht8P)
.......
Is that the one where you never invite the in-laws to dinner?
Posted by: wth at July 10, 2020 07:16 PM (v0R5T)
Being a liberal requires that one ignore reality/facts (unless convenient or required) and create in ones mind a separate yet equally plausible reality that can ignore any fact. Up to and including the laws of physics which are the rules of how the Universe works.
They also require that one ignore thousands of years of recorded history telling us how human beings react in certain situations and what they generally will do under normal conditions. (normal being whatever you want it to mean. Along with those thousands of years goes jillions of stories at least one of which will prove your point whatever it is).
To learn the law and how the legal system works (two sometimes exclusionary situations) requires this sort of mind and an emotional mind set that allows one to compartmentalize well.
I coulda been a lawyer but I was too crazy for them. So I became a technician. That's dumber than an engineer but smarter than a designer.
Posted by: jakee308 at July 10, 2020 07:21 PM (18hPk)
Posted by: TexasDan at July 10, 2020 06:15 PM (yL25O)
Some of us do. Not all, unfortunately.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
Krak has a big assed balance to draw on.
Posted by: BifBewalski - sinis est culus at July 10, 2020 07:21 PM (VcFUs)
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar -YOU are all in this together!- at July 10, 2020 07:08 PM (eTZoJ)
He works in Connecticut. How smart can he be by now.
It rubs off on you. Connecticut took a billion dollar (almost trillion) Department of Defense network of factories and taxed them out of the state (or the unions priced them out of bidding) AND then raised their welfare benefits to the next highest in the nation. (next only to Massacheusetts.)
Chris Dodd CT Sen X Ted Kennedy MA Sen. Get the picture?
Posted by: jakee308 at July 10, 2020 07:25 PM (18hPk)
Posted by: JD at July 11, 2020 07:52 AM (NLEnr)
1. The Law2. Proper Jurisprudence3. Precedence
It has EVERYTHING to do with:
1. Orange Man Bad2. Flynn has the goods on Dems but is gagged3. Gag must be continued PAST THE 2020 ELECTION
So protocol be hanged! The only process that matters is step 3 in the second sequence above. Therefore, the DC court will find *some way* to allow for Sullivan to prevail, thus taking this farce well through the summer, where Flynn will ultimately prevail (he MUST; even no precedent cannot prevent overt bastardization of not having a prosecution as part of actual sentencing recommendations). Of course, by that time SCOTUS is shut down for the year (barring presidential election shenanigans) and Flynn's case, and MORE IMPORTANTLY, HIS SILENCE, must remain in place until after the election.
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