The Long Promoted, Semi-Mythical "Snyder Cut" of the Justice League is Real, it Is Funded, and It Is Debuting in 2021

If you don't know the backstory:

Justice League is/was one of the biggest bombs in Hollywood history, hated by critics, equally scorned by fans, and losing a ton of money. How much money, Warner Bros. won't say. It's hard to know when the film cost a huge (but unspecified) amount of money just for reshoots.

Zack Snyder either left the production most of the way through due to the suicide of his daughter, or (as I suspect) was fired from the fim with the studio using the death of the daughter as cover story.

Male Feminist (and, ergo, Sex Pest) Joss Whedon was brought in to write stupid jokes for the movie and film those, and to direct the reshoots.

The reshoots were not just a scene here or there. The movie had very extensive reshoots to simplify the story and reduce the number of scenes in it, because Warner Bros. mandated that the movie must not be longer than two hours, and Justice League was shot to be something closer to three hours.


Zack Snyder's fans have always believed -- or hoped -- that Snyder's original film (which, note, was never actually completed) was actually good.

Hence, Snyder's fans have been urging Warner Bros to #ReleaseTheSnyderCut for, wow, probably like four years at this point.

And... Warner Bros has listened?

Now, as I said, the theatrical Justice League was cobbled together from some of Snyder's material and Wheedon's terrible reshoots. And any Synder material that was cut before final post-production would not have key special effects or sound effects or score.

So that means that any kind of "Snyder Cut" would have to have a lot of money put into it just to complete the footage they'd be reassembling for a new edit.

Well, improbably, $20 million has been budgeted to complete post-production, special effects, score, and editing of a Snyder Cut.

A cut of a movie that already failed, which is part of an extended franchise universe that most expect will be put on ice and rebooted in a year or two anyway.

Which will be released on HBOMax (HBO's new extra fee premium-upon-premium service), supposedly in 2021.


Will it be any good good? Probably not! Man of Steel and Dawn of Justice both showed that Snyder's vision for the DC Universe was... the Watchmen Universe, which had already been filmed.


As Jenny Nicholson snarked: "Someone should send a copy of Watchmen to Zack Snyder, I think he'd like it." Synder also directed Watchmen, of course. Znyder's DC Universe movies were basically the Watchmen redone, but this time with DC's most popular heroes.

But as many people, including myself, say: Even though Snyder's cut is probably a dour, sluggish, ponderous, dark, grimy, pretentious mess, it could not be worse than the Wheedon abortion.

As Trump says: What's the worse that could happen?

Posted by: Ace at 05:02 PM




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Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 20, 2020 05:02 PM (LvTSG)

2 Does Snyder have any less of an SJW rep than Whedon?

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 20, 2020 05:03 PM (L2ZTs)

3 Near the top...

IMO, after the election and beer virus over panic has played out, people will want to see lighter fare and not the darker stuff for a bit. YMMV.

Posted by: Fortcoins at May 20, 2020 05:03 PM (1vIuC)

4 I don't even know what this is, but I am damn glad to be here.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at May 20, 2020 05:04 PM (KnJdm)

5 The biggest problem with the theatrical cut of Justice League (amongst others) was the fact that it created several new heroes and spent virtually no time building them up because they only had two hours to do everything with.

A four hour cut could address that.

Another thing is that for all the faults of Man of Steel and Batman V Superman, Snyder brought real ambition to the films. He was trying to make something that felt mythical in scope. Justice League felt smaller than even Batman V Superman.

I'm looking forward to the Snyder Cut. I don't expect a masterpiece, but I do expect another big, flawed shoot for the moon kind of entertainment.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 20, 2020 05:04 PM (LvTSG)

6 Watchmen was pretty good.

Oh and Rorschach is the hero. Suck it Alan Moore.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020 05:04 PM (WdocV)

7 >>>2 Does Snyder have any less of an SJW rep than Whedon?


yeah, he does. Some think he's a cryptoconservative. I don't think that. I think he's just a liberal who is not very political or at least not loud about it.

But he's not nearly as awful in that respect as the sex pest Whedon.

Posted by: ace at May 20, 2020 05:04 PM (PbpT7)

8 I don't know about anyone else, but I'm pretty much all superheroe-d out.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at May 20, 2020 05:05 PM (SRRAx)

9 So, wait Premium channels now have premium channels? Do words mean anything anymore?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 20, 2020 05:05 PM (A5zUN)

10 Is this the movie where superman has a full ZZ Top beard that was removed digitally and every time he's got a close up his face looks like a mannequin?

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Fewer than 1,000 healthcare workers WORLDWIDE have died from COVID-19 at May 20, 2020 05:05 PM (aden2)

11 Ok, who is Zack Synder? Should I even care?

Posted by: dantesed at May 20, 2020 05:05 PM (88xKn)

12 2 Does Snyder have any less of an SJW rep than Whedon?

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 20, 2020 05:03 PM (L2ZTs)


He did Suckerpunch which is supposed to be... something? I have no clue I never watched it. Its supposed to be a criticism of sexy kickass girls in action movies? Or something weird I don't know.

Posted by: buzzion at May 20, 2020 05:05 PM (Z7lwY)

13 >>>Another thing is that for all the faults of Man of Steel and Batman V Superman, Snyder brought real ambition to the films. He was trying to make something that felt mythical in scope. Justice League felt smaller than even Batman V Superman.


it was supposed to be two movies. They changed that, pre filming, to just one. But even with the first script, it was already butchered, and reduced from 4+ hours to 2+.

And then they butchered it more.

Posted by: ace at May 20, 2020 05:06 PM (PbpT7)

14 well I for one am pretty excited about this!

also almost got willowed but:

500 Gov. Desantis needs to join one of those health clubs he allowed to reopen.


the good Governor should NOT do that well at least not to lose weight because he is PERFECT - omg in case you're wondering what is Black Orchid's type?!? that guy is it. holy smokes how

he needs to keep on with whatever he is doing lol! dude is PERFECT!

Posted by: HostageBlackOrchid at May 20, 2020 05:06 PM (j9HX3)

15 300 and Sucker Punch were not very-SJW friendly movies.


The former has....one?...female character and she gets Clinton'd. The latter has hot chicks in miniskirts kung fu fighting.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020 05:06 PM (WdocV)

16 >>>9 So, wait Premium channels now have premium channels? Do words mean anything anymore?


yup. and nope.

Posted by: ace at May 20, 2020 05:06 PM (PbpT7)

17 20 bazzilion dollars to fix Superman's harelip!

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at May 20, 2020 05:06 PM (RKQ/v)

18 Also I'm sure we're going to see all kinds of unexpected releases as theaters try to not go under.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Fewer than 1,000 healthcare workers WORLDWIDE have died from COVID-19 at May 20, 2020 05:06 PM (aden2)

19 Watchmen was pretty good.

Oh and Rorschach is the hero. Suck it Alan Moore.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020 05:04 PM (WdocV)

Needed to be two movies. There's way too much meat in there for 2-3 hours, even cutting out the Black Freighter stuff.

Posted by: Vanya at May 20, 2020 05:06 PM (BAsqb)

20 10 Is this the movie where superman has a full ZZ Top beard that was removed digitally and every time he's got a close up his face looks like a mannequin?
Posted by: Moron Robbie - Fewer than 1,000 healthcare workers WORLDWIDE have died from COVID-19 at May 20, 2020 05:05 PM (aden2)

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It was his mustache, and it only applied to the reshoots done by Whedon.

Cavil had finished principal photography on Justice League and moved onto Mission Impossible Fallout, then the calls came for Whedon reshoots and Cavil was contractually obligated to keep the stache.

So they spent a lot of money making him look weird.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 20, 2020 05:07 PM (LvTSG)

21 I will buy it when it comes to iTunes.

But 4 hours for something that is not The Lord of the Rings seems pretty long.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, stupid and purposely ignorant. at May 20, 2020 05:07 PM (4k/Uz)

22 Suckerpunch is really interesting!

I guess I like Snyder lol I'm weird

Posted by: HostageBlackOrchid at May 20, 2020 05:07 PM (j9HX3)

23
Is this the movie where superman has a full ZZ Top beard that was
removed digitally and every time he's got a close up his face looks like
a mannequin?

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He had a 'stache. But yes they digitally removed it.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020 05:07 PM (WdocV)

24 He did Suckerpunch which is supposed to be...
something? I have no clue I never watched it. Its supposed to be a
criticism of sexy kickass girls in action movies? Or something weird I
don't know.

Posted by: buzzion at May 20, 2020 05:05 PM (Z7lwY)

I caught Suckerpunch on free HBO. It is no SkyCaptain and the World of Tomorrow.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at May 20, 2020 05:07 PM (KnJdm)

25 Of course, that may have something to do with hubby and Rebecca watching EVERY superhero series on TV for the past few years.

We did watch StarGirl last night, and that one may have some promise.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at May 20, 2020 05:07 PM (SRRAx)

26 Holy crap a wispy little 135 lb Batman vs an AIDS patient Superman and an enormous invisible Subaru driving Wonder Woman would be fantastic.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Fewer than 1,000 healthcare workers WORLDWIDE have died from COVID-19 at May 20, 2020 05:08 PM (aden2)

27 13 >>>Another thing is that for all the faults of Man of Steel and Batman V Superman, Snyder brought real ambition to the films. He was trying to make something that felt mythical in scope. Justice League felt smaller than even Batman V Superman.


it was supposed to be two movies. They changed that, pre filming, to just one. But even with the first script, it was already butchered, and reduced from 4+ hours to 2+.

And then they butchered it more.

Posted by: ace at May 20, 2020 05:06 PM (PbpT7)

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Yeah, for all the faith they put into Snyder from the start, they really pulled the rug out from under him in Justice League.

I mean, it makes a bit of sense considering the lackluster response critically and commercially for Batman V Superman, but it's was still a shitty way to go about it.

It didn't help that they forced him to cut BvS down to 2.5 hours, which ended up making the overcomplicated Ultimate Cut pretty much incomprehensible.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 20, 2020 05:08 PM (LvTSG)

28 6 Watchmen was pretty good.

Oh and Rorschach is the hero. Suck it Alan Moore.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020 05:04 PM (WdocV)

He was, because Moore is a commie asshole and did not realize that a man whose chief character trait is justice above all can still be a compelling character- even if you give him a kind of creepy vibe as well.

That really kind of puts Watchmen into perspective for me. The truest 'Hero' in the book is the character Moore disliked and the one he considered the 'hero' was actually a mass murderer- but that's ok, because he's smart.

As you say, fuck you Alan Moore.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 20, 2020 05:09 PM (A5zUN)

29 Zack Snyder's fans have always believed -- or hoped -- that Snyder's original film (which, note, was never actually completed) was actually good.

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It will end in tears.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2020 05:09 PM (+y/Ru)

30 Is it true that in the Snyder Cut, Robert Pattinson has a cameo as some soiboi who gets flattened by Batman?

Posted by: WitchDoktor, stupid and purposely ignorant. at May 20, 2020 05:09 PM (4k/Uz)

31 It is funny how a number of suitably left wing authors accidentally make make strong conservative characters - look at Whedon with Mal Reynolds and Alan Moore with Rorschach.


Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020 05:09 PM (WdocV)

32 Nice to know that Warner Bros still has 20 million to set on fire and they believe millions will still have the money for or even want HBO super-duper Premium if they can still afford basic cable

Posted by: kbdabear at May 20, 2020 05:09 PM (qAR6u)

33 They are desperate for any new product/ content/ new movies. Nothing is in production.

$20 million is cheap for a brand new movie.

Hell aren't we on the Fifth Spiderman reboot and the Fourth Hulk reboot?

Posted by: rd at May 20, 2020 05:09 PM (+0uDE)

34 He did Suckerpunch which is supposed to be... something? I have no clue I never watched it. Its supposed to be a criticism of sexy kickass girls in action movies? Or something weird I don't know.
Posted by: buzzion at May 20, 2020 05:05 PM (Z7lwY)

Sucker Punch is a very bad movie. The "plot" is a series of action sequences imagined by a girl right before she gets lobotomized. The action sequences are very fantastical-- a giant samurai golem thing, dragons, fighting German zombies in WWI with modern weapons, really weird shit. The chicks are hot.

It's really not good. I will say, though-- someone took a lot of time teaching those gals how to combat glide and clear corners, because that movie is one of the most true to life depictions of room clearing tactics I've ever seen.

Posted by: Vanya at May 20, 2020 05:10 PM (BAsqb)

35 It is funny how a number of suitably left wing authors accidentally make make strong conservative characters - look at Whedon with Mal Reynolds and Alan Moore with Rorschach

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It's okay because it's all fantasy.

See also: guns stopping bad guys

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Fewer than 1,000 healthcare workers WORLDWIDE have died from COVID-19 at May 20, 2020 05:10 PM (aden2)

36 Oh. It IS a movie review!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at May 20, 2020 05:10 PM (EMIf5)

37 6 Watchmen was pretty good.

Oh and Rorschach is the hero. Suck it Alan Moore.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020 05:04 PM (WdocV)

He's the only one with a moral center, no matter how messed up he was mentally, he knew kill Millions of people was wrong and The SERIES WAS GARBAGE and that's an insult to Garbage

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at May 20, 2020 05:10 PM (dKiJG)

38 ace and others, thanks!

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 20, 2020 05:11 PM (L2ZTs)

39 Honestly the Snyder cut is going to suck ass. I'll say this, Man of Steel was a better Superman movie than any of the Christopher Reeves movies. But the Christopher Reeves movies were better movies than Man of Steel. Snyder got the powers of Superman right and his abilities. But he also sucked at getting any of the soul of Superman right. And he completely failed at understanding Batman. DC completely fucked up when they panicked and decided to use his Man of Steel as the start of their Justice League Universe.


You want to see how you do Death of Superman right? The DC animated movie did it. Snyder could never achieve that.

Posted by: buzzion at May 20, 2020 05:11 PM (Z7lwY)

40 Another thing is that for all the faults of Man of Steel and Batman V Superman, Snyder brought real ambition to the films.
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I still want to know why they turned Lex Luthor into a clone of the Joker.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020 05:11 PM (WdocV)

41 34 He did Suckerpunch which is supposed to be... something? I have no clue I never watched it. Its supposed to be a criticism of sexy kickass girls in action movies? Or something weird I don't know.
Posted by: buzzion at May 20, 2020 05:05 PM (Z7lwY)

Sucker Punch is a very bad movie. The "plot" is a series of action sequences imagined by a girl right before she gets lobotomized. The action sequences are very fantastical-- a giant samurai golem thing, dragons, fighting German zombies in WWI with modern weapons, really weird shit. The chicks are hot.

It's really not good. I will say, though-- someone took a lot of time teaching those gals how to combat glide and clear corners, because that movie is one of the most true to life depictions of room clearing tactics I've ever seen.
Posted by: Vanya at May 20, 2020 05:10 PM (BAsqb)

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Yeah, Sucker Punch is dumb. It makes no sense either plot-wise or in terms of its theme, which contradicts itself constantly.

I was not a Snyder fan for a long time, not really liking 300 or Sucker Punch. His Dawn of the Dead was pretty good, though.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 20, 2020 05:11 PM (LvTSG)

42 I hope in this 4 hour cut that 30-40 minutes is an extended Gal Gadot yoga routine.

I didn't hate Batman vs Superman, only because Batman finally got a suit he could actually fight in. JL was an incoherent mess, and Whedon is an insufferable cock.

Posted by: UGAdawg at May 20, 2020 05:11 PM (tRd71)

43 Ace wrote " Even though Snyder's cut is probably a dour, sluggish, ponderous, dark, grimy, pretentious mess, . . ."

A collection of adjectives I'll use in the future to describe most "modern" films. "Grimy," especially.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 20, 2020 05:11 PM (rpbg1)

44 Good afternoon all
Dennis Prager has a fascinating interview with Matthew Whittaker this hour and his book Above the Law, repeat now and goes on all hour
http://player.tritondigital.com/1201

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2020 05:11 PM (ZCEU2)

45 I liked Batman v. Superman and Justice League.

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2020 05:11 PM (Eicbe)

46 Honestly, the only cut that would have saved JL would be to cut Superman.
Nothing against Cavil, (who could have been a good Superman if given a script written for Superman, not angry murderous space alien), but in the final movie Superman is superfluous. He steps over everyone's toes at the end, his resurrection makes no sense, and the less said about that CGI lip the better.
Cutting him would have freed 20-30 minutes for character development and led to a climax where they would have to actually come together to beat the baddie. Follow up with Bruce observing the dead flowers blooming at the end and you would set up resurrection of Superman for the next film.
Would it be the Avengers, or even good?
No, but it would be Aquaman level competent at a minimum.

Posted by: HowardDevore at May 20, 2020 05:11 PM (H6aLc)

47 I don't even blame Snyder. He was obviously offered a ton of movie for a half-baked answer to Avengers, and wasn't invested enough in the DCU to care about the result. I suspect the Snyder Cut is being released just to claw something back on this turkey, which combined with Hollywood accounting will get WB some kind of financial benefit overall. Anyone dumb enough to think WB is actually sinking $20 million into this, as opposed to horrifically abusing their balance sheets, might not be paying attention- if they were, they'd put the movie in actual theatres instead of an HBO channel.

Posted by: trev006 at May 20, 2020 05:12 PM (49Hsx)

48 taking a mulligan on a movie, the new normal

now do all 3 of the new Star Wars movies

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at May 20, 2020 05:12 PM (RKQ/v)

49 >>>It will end in tears.


I think it will suck but I do believe it cannot be worse than the film we've already seen.

Posted by: ace at May 20, 2020 05:12 PM (PbpT7)

50 Can they all just fuck off and die in a fire?

Posted by: Look for the wet spot at May 20, 2020 05:12 PM (Wyjm0)

51 Rorschach is the hero. Suck it Alan Moore.

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Say what you will about Alan Moore, he was great as the Lone Ranger.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 20, 2020 05:12 PM (+y/Ru)

52 37. The HBO series wasnt even Watchmen at all, just some of the names of characters labeled on random actors.

At least, that is how it was for the first 3 episodes, after that I ceased watching.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 20, 2020 05:12 PM (svbBD)

53 DC missed their purpose LONG AGO.

They should have opted to go the different road from Marvel and be "the FUN heroes."

The "gritty" crap doesn't work - even with Batman.

Put some fucking COLOR back in! Superman needs to be red, blue, and yellow, not maroon, grayish sort-of-blue, and dark gold. Same with Wonder Woman.

When I was a kid, the cool thing about DC heroes was that they were all sane and capable people. Barry Allen, Hal Jordan, Ray Palmer - all totally sane and trustworthy.

Make the movies bright, tight and action-packed.

Stop giving me depressed heroes. It sucks.

Posted by: RKae at May 20, 2020 05:12 PM (K1sv/)

54 Huh. OK. Is this to goose HBOMax subscriptions?

Posted by: BEN ROETHLISBERGER at May 20, 2020 05:12 PM (bDqIh)

55 Just don't care for the DC universe. Batman has been done to death. This next flop-in-motion with glitter vampire boy will hopefully be the end of new Batman movies for a decade.

Phoenix put the exclamation point on the Joker. Done. Leave it at that.

The rest of it is shit. Aqua man? Get out of here.

Wonder Woman? Nope.

Posted by: AlaBAMA at May 20, 2020 05:12 PM (pUDQf)

56 53 DC missed their purpose LONG AGO.

They should have opted to go the different road from Marvel and be "the FUN heroes."

The "gritty" crap doesn't work - even with Batman.

Put some fucking COLOR back in! Superman needs to be red, blue, and yellow, not maroon, grayish sort-of-blue, and dark gold. Same with Wonder Woman.

When I was a kid, the cool thing about DC heroes was that they were all sane and capable people. Barry Allen, Hal Jordan, Ray Palmer - all totally sane and trustworthy.

Make the movies bright, tight and action-packed.

Stop giving me depressed heroes. It sucks.
Posted by: RKae at May 20, 2020 05:12 PM (K1sv/)

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Wut?

Marvel is the fun superhero stuff in movies, and was when the DCEU was gearing up. Going gritty was different from Marvel.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 20, 2020 05:13 PM (LvTSG)

57 Say what you will about Alan Moore, he was great as the Lone Ranger.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler

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He was even better as the drummer for Yes.

Posted by: RKae at May 20, 2020 05:13 PM (K1sv/)

58 now do all 3 of the new Star Wars movies

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Hell, start with the prequels.

Make Anakin some disaffected middle aged guy with delusions of grandeur instead of some super hero Chosen One.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, stupid and purposely ignorant. at May 20, 2020 05:13 PM (4k/Uz)

59 Creepiest , ickiest Flash EVAR.

That guy was a complete, spazmodic douche with sever gay stalker face and meth-addict ticks.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - Have you reported in to your assigned Contact Tracer today? at May 20, 2020 05:13 PM (vs2ae)

60 I found Justice league the same as most of the modern superhero movies. Didn't regret watching it, wouldn't regret missing it.

Was it really much worse than the average Marvel movie? I enjoyed some more, and some less that this one.

Posted by: The Judge at May 20, 2020 05:13 PM (GDjCl)

61 Snyder is a great visual artist. He's good at copying an established 'look'.

He sucks at almost everything else.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 20, 2020 05:13 PM (l4C/z)

62 I still want to know why they turned Lex Luthor into a clone of the Joker.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020 05:11 PM (WdocV)
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As opposed to the original character that LOST IT because Superman made him BALD
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Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2020 05:13 PM (Eicbe)

63 Well, the extended version of "Batman v. Superman" was WILDLY better than the theatrical version. It still had big problems - mostly from casting (Lex Luthor/charisma-chemistry free Amy Adams) - but the narrative structure was MUCH stronger and motivations were a lot clearer. The "Martha" thing is still stupid (again, not without its problems) but it truly illustrates how editing can destroy a decent movie.

Posted by: Patrick at May 20, 2020 05:14 PM (Cp1fC)

64 This smells to me of a settlement with Snyder and then an attempt to get money to pay out the settlement.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 20, 2020 05:14 PM (GbPPJ)

65 I thought Shazam! was entertaining, but not very good.

Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 20, 2020 05:14 PM (svbBD)

66 I don't wanna

Posted by: YEET at May 20, 2020 05:14 PM (6MoD2)

67 Watchmen should have been an irreverent comedy. John Waters would've been a good choice to direct.

Posted by: Serious Cat at May 20, 2020 05:14 PM (zqs/f)

68 The costumes even look like the Watchmen.

Posted by: goodluckduck at May 20, 2020 05:14 PM (V8zw+)

69
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He had a 'stache. But yes they digitally removed it.


Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020 05:07 PM (WdocV)

How It Should Have Ended had a great line about this. A person asked Superman, "Superman, I must mustache, what's wrong with your face?"

Posted by: I'm the Honey Badger, BITCH! at May 20, 2020 05:14 PM (zV8CN)

70 Also, much as I hate Joss Whedon, and I do, he did a better job of writing the Superman we would like/recognize than what Snyder shat out.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 20, 2020 05:14 PM (l4C/z)

71 Will the Flash still be a fag?

Posted by: Emmett Milbarge at May 20, 2020 05:14 PM (o3AYq)

72 Hollywood is going to squeeze the last penny out of the super hero movie genre if it's the last thing they do.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 20, 2020 05:15 PM (XX9+E)

73 >.At least, that is how it was for the first 3 episodes, after that I ceased watching.


One episode for me. Started with a Midwest town massacre of blacks and ended with a lynching (Don Johnson's character, but still). So very tired of raceraceracracerace narratives.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2020 05:15 PM (bDqIh)

74 They should have opted to go the different road from Marvel and be "the FUN heroes."


I guess I consider DC to be the gritty one and Marvel to be the "fun" derivative one?

so .. I mean you have a point but DC would not naturally be the more lighthearted of the two

it's just Marvel does nothing but rip off DC and others and go whatever way they think will make them the most money!

lol Zack Snyder and DC are a perfect match - and neither should probably really make movies - they won't be mainstream anyway

what the heck, Im a DC property. Zack should make the Black Orchid movie. but it wouldn't be good as "lighthearted"

Posted by: HostageBlackOrchid at May 20, 2020 05:15 PM (j9HX3)

75 He's the only one with a moral center, no matter how messed up he was mentally
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That's actually a very deep conservative idea. Rorschach came from about the worst childhood one could imagine, and rather then being helpless due to it turned himself into something positive, even though he himself was far from perfect.


He didn't spend the movie lecturing Ozymandias about privilege - he fought him because Ozymandias did something morally wrong, and he fought on even when he knew he couldn't win because it was the right thing to do.


Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020 05:15 PM (WdocV)

76 I actually find the DC movies are thematically deeper than Marvel movies. (Even though "Martha/Martha" is like somebody having my agonizer.)

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2020 05:15 PM (Eicbe)

77 Watchmen should have been an irreverent comedy. John Waters would've been a good choice to direct.
Posted by: Serious Cat

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And make it a musical!

Posted by: RKae at May 20, 2020 05:15 PM (K1sv/)

78 ace-

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Posted by: JackStraw at May 20, 2020 05:15 PM (ZLI7S)

79 6 Watchmen was pretty good.

Oh and Rorschach is the hero. Suck it Alan Moore.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020 05:04 PM (WdocV)

Truth bombs falling like rain

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 20, 2020 05:16 PM (l4C/z)

80
IMO, after the election and beer virus over panic has played out, people will want to see lighter fare and not the darker stuff for a bit. YMMV.
Posted by: Fortcoins at May 20, 2020


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I hope so. The last modern film I rented that had any bright color and sparkly, clever dialogue that made me laugh out loud was Juno, and that was, what, 10 years ago?

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 20, 2020 05:16 PM (rpbg1)

81 63 Well, the extended version of "Batman v. Superman" was WILDLY better than the theatrical version. It still had big problems - mostly from casting (Lex Luthor/charisma-chemistry free Amy Adams) - but the narrative structure was MUCH stronger and motivations were a lot clearer. The "Martha" thing is still stupid (again, not without its problems) but it truly illustrates how editing can destroy a decent movie.
Posted by: Patrick at May 20, 2020 05:14 PM (Cp1fC)

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I think there's a mild defense of the Martha bit.

Superman knows who Batman is, and who Bruce Wayne's parents were. "Huh, his mom and my mom have the same name. Weird," he says at the time.

Cut to Batman trying to kill Superman, Superman is trying to get through to Batman, but Batman isn't listening. Superman actually ends up getting his ass handed to him in the end. In his final moment, he appeals to Wayne's emotions instead of his intellect, using their mothers' name.

No, none of it is actually set up in the movie, so it's of very limited use. However, I do think there is A defense of the Martha scene, even if the movie isn't interested in making the argument itself.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 20, 2020 05:16 PM (LvTSG)

82 Dee Snyder > All other Snyders

Posted by: garrett at May 20, 2020 05:16 PM (Np1f/)

83 Every superhero movie from now on should include one Martha joke.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - Fewer than 1,000 healthcare workers WORLDWIDE have died from COVID-19 at May 20, 2020 05:16 PM (aden2)

84 I thought Shazam! was entertaining, but not very good.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 20, 2020 05:14 PM (svbBD)
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I don't know how anybody does "The Marvel Family" without making it seem gag-worthy.

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2020 05:17 PM (Eicbe)

85 Sucker Punch is a very bad movie. The "plot" is a series of action sequences imagined by a girl right before she gets lobotomized. The action sequences are very fantastical-- a giant samurai golem thing, dragons, fighting German zombies in WWI with modern weapons, really weird shit. The chicks are hot. 

Posted by: Vanya at May 20, 2020 05:10 PM (BAsqb)

Sucker Punch tries to be feminist empowerment and exploitative grind at the same time. And fails at both. Tarantino might have made it work. Snyder also made 300 and its sequel, which also had ludicrously trashy moments disguised as grrl power, so I'll chalk this up to a misstep, because those movies made hella bank.

Posted by: trev006 at May 20, 2020 05:17 PM (49Hsx)

86

When CW2.0 is raging in most of the Blue states, will Hollywood alter their new release schedules?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at May 20, 2020 05:17 PM (sy5kK)

87 That movie was nothing more than a promo for a video game. It looked like one from start to finish. I hated it and my 11-year-old son hated it more.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 20, 2020 05:17 PM (Boy/L)

88 Isn't Joss Whedon the perverted, #NeverTrump dickwipe? I get confused on these bozos, as there are so many.

PS The DC universe still sux Marvel's IP properties bigly. From a storytelling standpoint, how many fucking times can they reboot Batman?

Batman is on about the 97th version by now. *brainy dreamteam convo # 96 -- Hey, let's try a dead lesbian version of the Bat. That's a Go*

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 20, 2020 05:17 PM (Z4rgH)

89
Hell, start with the prequels.

Make Anakin some disaffected middle aged guy with delusions of grandeur instead of some super hero Chosen One.
Posted by: WitchDoktor, stupid and purposely ignorant. at May 20, 2020 05:13 PM (4k/Uz)

One of the great parts of the very first Star Wars movie?

Luke was a whiney wimpy teenager, who stumbled into the story.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 20, 2020 05:17 PM (NgKpN)

90 >> ace-

>You might want to check out these videos.



Make sure you have plently of Butter, though.


Posted by: Zombie Brando at May 20, 2020 05:17 PM (Np1f/)

91
20 bazzilion dollars to fix Superman's harelip!
Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power


Wood eye!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 20, 2020 05:18 PM (aKsyK)

92 62 I still want to know why they turned Lex Luthor into a clone of the Joker.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020 05:11 PM (WdocV)
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As opposed to the original character that LOST IT because Superman made him BALD
...
Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2020 05:13 PM (Eicbe)

And as opposed to the cool, masterful man of the animated series

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 20, 2020 05:18 PM (l4C/z)

93 "Justice League" is just angsty Super-Friends. They might as well put Wonder Dog in it along with his pal, Scooby Doo.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 20, 2020 05:18 PM (Kpl3J)

94 52 37. The HBO series wasnt even Watchmen at all, just some of the names of characters labeled on random actors.

At least, that is how it was for the first 3 episodes, after that I ceased watching.
Posted by: Nick in Tallahassee at May 20, 2020 05:12 PM (svbBD)

The Music was good. I bailed after showing Hooded Justice who was some guy from Either USSR or the Eastern Bloc in the Comics to be a gay black guy. I could not get into the overweight black female cop that could Kick ass and the whole everybody is Racist F them.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at May 20, 2020 05:18 PM (dKiJG)

95 When CW2.0 is raging in most of the Blue states, will Hollywood alter their new release schedules?

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at May 20, 2020 05:17 PM (sy5kK)

CW 2? Hollywood will be a ghost town.

No electricity, ya know.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 20, 2020 05:18 PM (NgKpN)

96 Need some new superheroes. Like the nice mild-mannered Ima Humpalot, stripper by night, superhero by day...

Posted by: Look for the wet spot at May 20, 2020 05:18 PM (Wyjm0)

97 Sorry Ace, I have no f*cks left to give Hollywood. The sooner they are all baristas or waiting tables the better.

Posted by: random lurker commenter at May 20, 2020 05:18 PM (48RE5)

98 Speaking of super hero movies-

The streaming price for the new Vin Diesel movie, "Bloodshot" dropped to $4.99 on Amazon,

so I gave it a whirl.

It's okay. Not great, not awful. You'll be entertained but it feels like you can predict every beat in this movie.

The semi-original thing here is the premise that VD(!)'s character is a soldier who was killed and who is brought back to life by filling his circulatory system with nanorobots that instantly repair any injury.

So, you get lots of cool shots of VD being blown apart and simultaneously reassembled by the nanorobots as he kills the holy hell outta everyone involved with the murder of his wife.

Some nice twists. Lots of stealing from other movies. Good acting. Nice action.

Worth a watch and you'll probably enjoy it but you won't be waiting on pins and needles for "Blood Shot 2"

Check it out.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 20, 2020 05:19 PM (CDVfT)

99 Semi-related?
https://tinyurl.com/yarj2jsn

Posted by: NeverNeverTrumper at May 20, 2020 05:19 PM (0jZvB)

100 Superman does not have a long mustache. Superman does not have a long mustache.

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at May 20, 2020 05:19 PM (RKQ/v)

101 You might want to check out these videos. Remember I've been saying that the Biden's were using Ukraine to launder money and take kick backs and that's what they have been trying to cover up?

Guess what?

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Posted by: JackStraw at May 20, 2020 05:15 PM (ZLI7S)
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Press: "Meh, we don't cover local stories"

Posted by: WisRich at May 20, 2020 05:19 PM (G0vdT)

102 With Dawn of Justice I was wondering if they were going to have SuperGirl come in at the last minute instead of resurrecting SuperMan.


She's supposed to come to earth sometime after he's all grown up. Yes it would be a bit of a Deus ex Machina but....less then bringing Superman back.


She basically has the same powers and hell it would have made the girl power idiots happy.


And it makes more sense then turning Wonder Woman into SuperMan jr anyway.


Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020 05:19 PM (WdocV)

103 I think there's a mild defense of the Martha bit.

Superman knows who Batman is, and who Bruce Wayne's parents were. "Huh, his mom and my mom have the same name. Weird," he says at the time.

Cut to Batman trying to kill Superman, Superman is trying to get through to Batman, but Batman isn't listening. Superman actually ends up getting his ass handed to him in the end. In his final moment, he appeals to Wayne's emotions instead of his intellect, using their mothers' name.

No, none of it is actually set up in the movie, so it's of very limited use. However, I do think there is A defense of the Martha scene, even if the movie isn't interested in making the argument itself.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 20, 2020 05:16 PM (LvTSG)
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I've actually scripted out a better way to bring up "Martha" in that scene, that would have avoided the egregiousness.

In short it goes like this: "You're killing my MOTHER->She's a human--just like you-->her name is Martha->Martha Kent!"

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2020 05:19 PM (Eicbe)

104 He didn't spend the movie lecturing Ozymandias about privilege - he fought him because Ozymandias did something morally wrong, and he fought on even when he knew he couldn't win because it was the right thing to do.


Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020 05:15 PM (WdocV)

It wasn't even a fight. Ozy had it won before the heroes even showed up. Ror basically committed suicide, unwilling to be silent about a horrible fraud foisted on the world, no matter the happy consequence.

Little too close to 2020, though Ozy was far more intelligent and virtuous than anyone promoting the current farce.

Posted by: trev006 at May 20, 2020 05:19 PM (49Hsx)

105 I hope so. The last modern film I rented that had any bright color and sparkly, clever dialogue that made me laugh out loud was Juno, and that was, what, 10 years ago?
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

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My wife and I really liked "Down With Love," because it was a bright color fest - reliving the Doris Day comedies of the '60s.

There was even the best friend character played by David Hyde Pierce just doing a straight-up Tony Randall impression.

Fun stuff.

Posted by: RKae at May 20, 2020 05:20 PM (K1sv/)

106 98 The semi-original thing here is the premise that VD(!)'s character is a soldier who was killed and who is brought back to life by filling his circulatory system with nanorobots that instantly repair any injury.

So, you get lots of cool shots of VD being blown apart and simultaneously reassembled by the nanorobots as he kills the holy hell outta everyone involved with the murder of his wife.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 20, 2020 05:19 PM (CDVfT)

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So, pretty much Wolverine with "science" instead of mutations.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 20, 2020 05:20 PM (LvTSG)

107 REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

(That was my impersonation of a soi fan boi delighting in something I have zero fucks to give)

Posted by: Ted Striker's Polka Hits at May 20, 2020 05:20 PM (7nbjV)

108 >>>/charisma-chemistry free Amy Adams) -

I agree she was a wan dish-towel in this movie.

But she has previously been a feisty comic actress, as she was in Talladega Nights. (She was the girl who urged Ricky Bobby to be a driver again.)

Zach Snyderi's idea of serious is slow, dour, depressive, and boring, so that's the sort of performance Zach Snyder coaches out of an actress.

Posted by: ace at May 20, 2020 05:20 PM (PbpT7)

109 My wife and I really liked "Down With Love," because it was a bright color fest - reliving the Doris Day comedies of the '60s.

There was even the best friend character played by David Hyde Pierce just doing a straight-up Tony Randall impression.

Fun stuff.

Posted by: RKae at May 20, 2020


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I remember seeing trailers for that. I like early Sixties-vibe movies.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 20, 2020 05:21 PM (rpbg1)

110 HBOMax (HBO's new extra fee premium-upon-premium service)
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I'm holding out for HBOMax Titanium with Blowjob On Demand.

Posted by: Mr. MooMoo at May 20, 2020 05:21 PM (sWM8x)

111 103 I've actually scripted out a better way to bring up "Martha" in that scene, that would have avoided the egregiousness.

In short it goes like this: "You're killing my MOTHER->She's a human--just like you-->her name is Martha->Martha Kent!"
Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2020 05:19 PM (Eicbe)

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I don't think the point is to convince Batman that Superman is a person with a mommy, it simply to emotionally jolt him to get him to think about what he's doing for a second. "I have a human mommy" wouldn't do it. Shouting "Martha" could.

Again, the movie doesn't do the work necessary to make the moment really work, but I think that's the point.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 20, 2020 05:21 PM (LvTSG)

112 Never cared for any DC live action movies. Their animation department is terrific tho.

Posted by: thathalfrican - Clark Kent with the glasses off at May 20, 2020 05:21 PM (elyFc)

113 Apologies. I'm still seething about the last post, about that crazy LAB "whistleblower" chick in Fla.

Posted by: Hands at May 20, 2020 05:22 PM (786Ro)

114 >>Isn't Joss Whedon the perverted, #NeverTrump dickwipe?


You may be thinking of James Gunn, who directed the Guardians of the Galaxy movies and used a lot of pedo "humor" on twitter?

Whedon is the one who has been celebrated as the ultimate Male Feminist, but when he got divorced, his wife outed him as being a total perv who regularly pressured starlets who worked for him to sleep with him.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2020 05:22 PM (bDqIh)

115 IMO, after the election and beer virus over panic has played out, people will want to see lighter fare and not the darker stuff for a bit. YMMV.
Posted by: Fortcoins at May 20, 2020 05:03 PM (1vIuC)


You must have missed the Blue memo.

It will never stop, the Blue Jackbooted Thugs will just move the goalposts again.

There is no normal to go back to.


Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at May 20, 2020 05:22 PM (sy5kK)

116 Batman reboot #99 -- They hire Ron Jeremy to bend over and suck his own dick; working title, Batman Recomes.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 20, 2020 05:22 PM (Z4rgH)

117 Actually, with the Star Wars movies... can they do a shorter cut - like, say, make them all under four minutes?

Posted by: RKae at May 20, 2020 05:22 PM (K1sv/)

118 And as opposed to the cool, masterful man of the animated series
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Yeah, Luthor as the guy worried about what SuperMan can do and not trusting his good nature is an interesting character.


Because to an extent he's right....as you see in the Injustice Series.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020 05:23 PM (WdocV)

119 I always confuse Amy Adams with Isla Fisher.

*thousand yard stare for a real long time*

Wait. What was I saying?

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Taking the Afternoon Off at May 20, 2020 05:23 PM (x8Wzq)

120 Ron Jeremy can't bend that much

Posted by: The Hedgehog at May 20, 2020 05:23 PM (rNgCY)

121 Listen, the best version of Superman was done in '78, the best version of Batman was done in '89, the best version of Wonder Women was a TV show from the mid to late '70s.

Nobody cares about any other DC characters besides those three and most modern day directors suck and truly competent old school directors want nothing to do with super hero films.

Todd Phillips, Joker was a complete outlier, also Jaquin Phoenix is never bad in anything, ever.


Nolan's Batman entries are uneven, and Heath Ledger's performance as Joker was a revelation.

Marvel succeeds because of better source material ad characters and Kevin Feige has a death grip on the MCU and actually likes the source material and got lucky with Robert Downey Jr being Tony Stark incarnate.

Everything that is successful with the MCU flows from that, let's see what happens with the SJW Eternals and not having RDJ to carry the load.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 20, 2020 05:23 PM (T+XCu)

122 102 With Dawn of Justice I was wondering if they were going to have SuperGirl come in at the last minute instead of resurrecting SuperMan.

I think they should do a retro-70's musical version of this show. Tony Orlando and the Dawn of Justice.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 20, 2020 05:23 PM (Kpl3J)

123 Watchmen was pretty good.

Oh and Rorschach is the hero. Suck it Alan Moore.




No one was the hero. I ended up hating every single character in the movie. Admittedly though, I hated Rorschach the least, and he got the best lines.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 20, 2020 05:23 PM (iWpLo)

124 Give me back my man gurl was so hot that i didn't know what to do

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 20, 2020 05:24 PM (NI4rU)

125 I saw Sex Pest open for The Plasmatics at some dungeon in '83.

Posted by: Hands at May 20, 2020 05:24 PM (786Ro)

126 Rather than rehashing the DC movie, I wish Snyder would do anyothe George Romero update.

Posted by: The Hedgehog at May 20, 2020 05:25 PM (rNgCY)

127 I remember seeing trailers for that. I like early Sixties-vibe movies.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius

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Have I got a flick for you!

"That Funny Feeling" with Bobby Darin and Sandra Dee. A '60s comedy full of suave dudes, groovy chicks, and cocktail bars.

It's a must.

Posted by: RKae at May 20, 2020 05:25 PM (K1sv/)

128
OMG, LOL.

I don't watch superhero fare, so I never noticed it until it appeared here on this blog, but Justice Democrats directly cribbed their logo from Justice League...

1.) How lame. Cenk Uygur's a dumb lunatic who thinks he's a genius whose finger is on the pulse, For emphasis, I'll restate this is lame and he is tubby and lame.

2.) I laugh when I think about how fast Warner Bros. lawyers would file the infringement suit if this were, say, the Daily Caller Foundation.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 20, 2020 05:25 PM (h6CJG)

129 Superman and Batman bang each other's mothers?

Posted by: Look for the wet spot at May 20, 2020 05:25 PM (Wyjm0)

130 126 Rather than rehashing the DC movie, I wish Snyder would do anyothe George Romero update.
Posted by: The Hedgehog at May 20, 2020 05:25 PM (rNgCY)

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His next movie is called Army of the Dead and is coming to Netflix early next year, I think.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 20, 2020 05:25 PM (LvTSG)

131 It is funny how a number of suitably left wing authors accidentally make make strong conservative characters - look at Whedon with Mal Reynolds and Alan Moore with Rorschach.


Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020 05:09 PM (WdocV)
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You can do a lot by at least being honest with the work. A good artist can be a political hack, and yet create something that he tried to create as a political hack turn into something simply revealing "reality".

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2020 05:25 PM (Eicbe)

132 Superman and Batman bang each other's mothers?
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Hmm, I need to see this movie.

Posted by: President Macron at May 20, 2020 05:26 PM (WdocV)

133 I saw Sex Pest open for The Plasmatics at some dungeon in '83.
Posted by: Hands

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I saw Sex Pest perform at Comet Ping-Pong.

...And then I went to the basement.

Posted by: RKae at May 20, 2020 05:26 PM (K1sv/)

134 Bathhouse Flash was the final nail in the coffin.

Posted by: Fritz at May 20, 2020 05:26 PM (95j/9)

135 allright, time to say it. I want Marvel to Fail.
I also want the DC Universe to fail.
I want the Star Wars galaxy to implode.
I want the Star Trek Universe to go where no one will ever watch again.

I want them all to die and be gone forever.

I want something new, and even silence would be refreshing at this point.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 20, 2020 05:26 PM (Kpl3J)

136 And now genital parasites ...
https://tinyurl.com/ybxkf98y
2020, man.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 20, 2020 05:26 PM (r+sAi)

137 Bathhouse Flash was the final nail in the coffin.
***

Don't forget "Oops, I accidently beat up Johnny Depp" Mera.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020 05:27 PM (WdocV)

138 His next movie is called Army of the Dead and is coming to Netflix early next year, I think.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi

outstanding!!

Posted by: The Hedgehog at May 20, 2020 05:27 PM (rNgCY)

139 Actually, with the Star Wars movies... can they do a shorter cut - like, say, make them all under four minutes?

Posted by: RKae at May 20, 2020 05:22 PM (K1sv/)

"Find those plans!"
"I was going to Toshi Station to pick up some power converters!"
"Beep boop."
"Sand people!"
*dead parents*
"A greater hive of scum and villainy."
"What a piece of junk!"
PEW PEW PEW
"You may fire when ready."
"It's a tractor beam."
"TK421, why aren't you at your post?"
"Where are you taking this... Thing?"
"SHUT DOWN ALL THE GARBAGE MASHERS ON THE DETENTION LEVEL!"
"If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
"Death Star approaching!"
"Stay on target!"
BOOM
Medals
Roll credits

Posted by: Vanya at May 20, 2020 05:27 PM (BAsqb)

140 135 allright, time to say it. I want Marvel to Fail.
I also want the DC Universe to fail.
I want the Star Wars galaxy to implode.
I want the Star Trek Universe to go where no one will ever watch again.

I want them all to die and be gone forever.

I want something new, and even silence would be refreshing at this point.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 20, 2020 05:26 PM (Kpl3J)

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You could always check out James Gunn's Super.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 20, 2020 05:27 PM (LvTSG)

141 Suicide Squad is the worst edited film in history . (exaggeration for effect)

Harley's ass was the only thing that made it worth wasting more than five minutes watching . And even then I wanted 4 minutes back.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 20, 2020 05:27 PM (XX9+E)

142 Have I got a flick for you!

"That Funny Feeling" with Bobby Darin and Sandra Dee. A '60s comedy full of suave dudes, groovy chicks, and cocktail bars.

It's a must.

Posted by: RKae at May 20, 2020


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Back when they knew how to write funny dialog! A lot of the TV and screenwriters then had either come up through vaudeville, or they knew people who had. Those writers knew how to set up a joke and make it pay off -- sometimes more than once in the same movie.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 20, 2020 05:28 PM (rpbg1)

143
Carrie Underwood is seeking attention:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/
tvshowbiz/article-8341137

Not bad.

Posted by: Miley, the Duchess at May 20, 2020 05:28 PM (f1Vqw)

144 141 Suicide Squad is the worst edited film in history . (exaggeration for effect)

Harley's ass was the only thing that made it worth wasting more than five minutes watching . And even then I wanted 4 minutes back.
Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 20, 2020 05:27 PM (XX9+E)

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From what I've read, they gave the movie to an editing house primarily responsible for commercial editing, taking it away from David Ayer, the director.

The editing house just let its freak flag fly, helping to cement Suicide Squad as one of the worst big budget films of the last decade.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 20, 2020 05:28 PM (LvTSG)

145 Is there some exclusive premium AOSHQ that only all-access members know about? Asking for a friend.

Posted by: Hands at May 20, 2020 05:29 PM (786Ro)

146 I've been hoping for a while we could get a big screen treatment of CS Lewis's Out of Space Trilogy



Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020 05:29 PM (WdocV)

147 145 Is there some exclusive premium AOSHQ that only all-access members know about? Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Hands at May 20, 2020 05:29 PM (786Ro)

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Nobody say anything.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 20, 2020 05:29 PM (LvTSG)

148 It'll still suck....but it will suck less than weird reshoots with CGI Henry Cavill upper lip. The giant flappy vagina on Joss Whedon to not only put those scenes in the movie, but to have it be the very first scene of the movie. I thought I would hate Ben Affleck as Batman, and I didn't really like him as Bruce Wayne, but I thought he was convincing as a guy that could kick the shit out of thugs. Faggy Flash, and autistic Lex Luther were bad enough to make the good casting choices look bad. Damn shame they wasted Cavill, Mamoa, and Gadot.

Posted by: Resist_we_Much at May 20, 2020 05:29 PM (BkYvb)

149 Actually, with the Star Wars movies... can they do a shorter cut - like, say, make them all under four minutes?

Posted by: RKae at May 20, 2020


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Ever seen the parody short Hardware Wars?

"You'll laugh! You'll cry! You'll kiss three bucks goodbye!"

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 20, 2020 05:29 PM (rpbg1)

150 johnny cash knows

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 20, 2020 05:30 PM (NI4rU)

151 It wasn't even a fight. Ozy had it won before the heroes even showed up. Ror basically committed suicide, unwilling to be silent about a horrible fraud foisted on the world, no matter the happy consequence.




Yeah, I hated that scene. Rorschach was all about justice and retribution, not truth. He should have just told Dr Manhattan that he would keep quiet IF DM killed Ozymandias for his crime.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 20, 2020 05:30 PM (iWpLo)

152

Miley's been using my tunnel here. Her nic popped up.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at May 20, 2020 05:30 PM (f1Vqw)

153 "SHUT DOWN ALL THE GARBAGE MASHERS ON THE DETENTION LEVEL!"
Posted by: Vanya


I have always wondered, why have trash compactors on a space station?

Especially one designed to turn planets into asteroid belts.

It's not like they're worried about how much space junk they're creating.

So why not just... eject the garbage out into space?

Other than it would shorten the escapee's lifespans considerably.

Posted by: mikeski at May 20, 2020 05:30 PM (P1f+c)

154 exclusive premium members-only AOSHQ where subscribing hordlings get special Ace Cuts movie reviews, free ampersands, and boobs on demand?

Posted by: Hands at May 20, 2020 05:30 PM (786Ro)

155 Yeah. I don't care too much about this. I wouldn't mind seeing that hot Israeli actress again, though.

Posted by: SamIam at May 20, 2020 05:31 PM (oasF3)

156 145 Is there some exclusive premium AOSHQ that only all-access members know about? Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Hands at May 20, 2020 05:29 PM (786Ro)

You get a t-shirt.

Posted by: dantesed at May 20, 2020 05:31 PM (88xKn)

157 145 Is there some exclusive premium AOSHQ that only all-access members know about? Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Hands at May 20, 2020 05:29 PM (786Ro)


First, send at least $500 to the little yellow button on the top left of the page.

Then, sit back and await instructions.

Eventually, it will become clear.

Posted by: LeftCoast Dawg at May 20, 2020 05:31 PM (sy5kK)

158 >>>> allright, time to say it. I want Marvel to Fail.
I also want the DC Universe to fail.
I want the Star Wars galaxy to implode.
I want the Star Trek Universe to go where no one will ever watch again

two down, DC tottering on complete failure, and Marvel definitely about to enter some lean years.

"The Eternals" may well be Marvel's first flop. And I don't think it will be the last.

Posted by: ace at May 20, 2020 05:31 PM (PbpT7)

159
No, none of it is actually set up in the movie, so it's of very limited use. However, I do think there is A defense of the Martha scene, even if the movie isn't interested in making the argument itself.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 20, 2020 05:16 PM (LvTSG)


Yeah, that's why I never had a huge problem with the whole Martha thing.

It's clear that Superman is about 5 seconds away from being murdered by Batman.

A Batman who sees nothing more than the ALIEN asshole who trashed Metropolis and God knows who else will die if I don't do the hard thing and kill this ALIEN fuck.

So, in essence Superman gives him a very short hand version of Shylock's "do I not bleed" speech from "Merchant of Venice" -

Superman is saying - Hey, a-hole! I have a Mother whom I love. I am a son who loves my Mother as deeply as you did. I'm human in every way that counts.

Could of been done better but that's the point of that scene and it appropriate given the issues for Supes in "The Man of Steel".

Posted by: naturalfake at May 20, 2020 05:31 PM (CDVfT)

160 So why not just... eject the garbage out into space?


Space Force's elite Pinochet Squadron will be handling those duties. wink

Posted by: Hands at May 20, 2020 05:32 PM (786Ro)

161 Ace has exclusive seating in "The Barrel".

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2020 05:32 PM (Eicbe)

162 I've been hoping for a while we could get a big screen treatment of CS Lewis's Out of Space Trilogy

Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020


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Larry Niven's Ringworld

John Varley's Mammoth

And in fantasy, Fred Saberhagen's Empire of the East

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 20, 2020 05:32 PM (rpbg1)

163
Airlocking would be a just fate for Gretchen Whitmer.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at May 20, 2020 05:33 PM (f1Vqw)

164 Jack, thanks for the tip on the videos. Trouble is, I am not informed on this story. I couldn't figure out the takeaways from the phone calls that have been released.

please let me know if one of the sites you read does an article explaining all this.

Posted by: ace at May 20, 2020 05:33 PM (PbpT7)

165 johnny cash knows
Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 20, 2020


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I built it One Piece at a Time.

Posted by: Johnny Cash at May 20, 2020 05:33 PM (rpbg1)

166 I would be willing to beat people up to see CJ Cherryh on the big screen.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 20, 2020 05:34 PM (iWpLo)

167 exclusive premium members-only AOSHQ where
subscribing hordlings get special Ace Cuts movie reviews, free
ampersands, and boobs on demand?

Posted by: Hands at May 20, 2020 05:30 PM


Lower extremities only!

Posted by: Feets at May 20, 2020 05:34 PM (r+sAi)

168 161 Ace has exclusive seating in "The Barrel".
Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2020 05:32 PM (Eicbe)

A special goo-pillow top Laz-E-Boy.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 20, 2020 05:34 PM (A5zUN)

169 I'm surprised no one is making Bio of a Space Tyrant.

You want GRIM DARK with some lefty flavor? Piers Anthony has it for you in spades.


Of course it was 80s lefty flavor, so probably "far right wing" nowadays.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020 05:34 PM (WdocV)

170 i think Zach Snyder was overly delighted to discover that Superman's human mother and Batman's mother had the same first name

I never noticed this myself, and yeah, I guess it's... I don't want to say "neat." I want to say "coincidental."

Posted by: ace at May 20, 2020 05:35 PM (PbpT7)

171 And in fantasy, Fred Saberhagen's Empire of the East
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 20, 2020 05:32 PM (rpbg1)

When I was a teenager I read that series even more often than I read LoTR. I loved it. I also loved his Books of Swords. They would make for a great series of movies.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Taking the Afternoon Off at May 20, 2020 05:35 PM (x8Wzq)

172 and boobs on demand?

Posted by: Hands at May 20, 2020 05:30 PM

Lower extremities only!
Posted by: Feets at May 20, 2020 05:34 PM (r+sAi)

But... boobs are Upper Extremities!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 20, 2020 05:35 PM (A5zUN)

173 169 I'm surprised no one is making Bio of a Space Tyrant.

You want GRIM DARK with some lefty flavor? Piers Anthony has it for you in spades.


Of course it was 80s lefty flavor, so probably "far right wing" nowadays.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020 05:34 PM (WdocV)

And bonus pedophilia, since it was written by Piers Anthony.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 20, 2020 05:35 PM (l4C/z)

174 I live the first Ringworld....but the sequels got weird with the Protectors/vampires or whatever they were.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020 05:35 PM (WdocV)

175 I just read that Ahmaud Arbery had been arrested previously for trying to steal a 65 inch TV and given five years probation .

Was that in the morning news dump?

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 20, 2020 05:35 PM (XX9+E)

176 Ace has exclusive seating in above "The Barrel".
Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2020 05:32 PM

FIFY

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2020 05:35 PM (ZCEU2)

177 Of course it was 80s lefty flavor, so probably "far right wing" nowadays.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020 05:34 PM (WdocV)

I read some Piers as a teenager. I started getting more than a bit of creepy vibe.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 20, 2020 05:36 PM (A5zUN)

178 >>I also want the DC Universe to fail.
I want the Star Wars galaxy to implode.
I want the Star Trek Universe to go where no one will ever watch again


Me, too.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 20, 2020 05:36 PM (bDqIh)

179 exclusive premium members-only AOSHQ where subscribing hordlings get the ultimate answer to longbows vs crossbows, one free daily comment before #100 on Cob posts, and Pixy's Yoko-block plugin for your browser?

Posted by: Hands at May 20, 2020 05:36 PM (786Ro)

180 One of the themes that BvS really points up is that by "violating" the way of doing things Jor-El endangers *this* planet.

That Superman is likely to become the ultimate alien villain in a sort of Injustice storyline is highly illustrative of the power dynamic that they have been playing on since Man of Steel.

I like it. I don't like Gotham being right across the river from Metropolis (which is probably my biggest gripe).

I also like the grim Batman who has to find his niche with all the super-powered people around him. Determination and acceptance of a "coach" role is how he does it, even when it's all taking a toll on his aging body.

Batman "IS the job."

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2020 05:36 PM (Eicbe)

181 176 Has been know to get tossed in a few tomes as well

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2020 05:37 PM (ZCEU2)

182 2021?


That's a full 28 months prior to the end of The Coronavirus Pandemic Lockdown PANIC.

Are we all going to stream this? Because I am reaonably certain that the Biden Administration's initiative to build each occupant of the US their own one person theater (with THX Surround Sound) will not yet be completed by then.

(I must say I was at first skeptical about Paste-Eatin' Joe's Individual Theater Initiative, but as a compromise between the GOP's Request That We All Just Go Back To Fucking Work And Stop Worrying So Much About Invisible Threats and AOC's Every Person Gets Their Own 40 Acres And A Mule Mandate, I thought it was brilliant).

Posted by: Sharkman at May 20, 2020 05:37 PM (TSNUS)

183 158 >>>> allright, time to say it. I want Marvel to Fail.
I also want the DC Universe to fail.
I want the Star Wars galaxy to implode.
I want the Star Trek Universe to go where no one will ever watch again

two down, DC tottering on complete failure, and Marvel definitely about to enter some lean years.

"The Eternals" may well be Marvel's first flop. And I don't think it will be the last.

Posted by: ace at May 20, 2020 05:31 PM (PbpT7)

Yeah, even Rob Liefield is dumping on Marvel for their Phase 4 shitfest.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 20, 2020 05:38 PM (l4C/z)

184 And in fantasy, Fred Saberhagen's Empire of the East
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 20, 2020 05:32 PM (rpbg1)

When I was a teenager I read that series even more often than I read LoTR. I loved it. I also loved his Books of Swords. They would make for a great series of movies.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Taking the Afternoon Off at May 20, 2020


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Right! I'd forgotten about those.

I used to have an edition of EotE with an intro by Larry Niven, who said that he preferred Saberhagen's epic to LotR -- but admitted it was a matter of taste.

Saberhagen has been unjustly forgotten. In the late '70s he did a paperback original called The Dracula Tape, which is Dracula telling his adventure in England from his point of view. It's both hilarious and exactly on point.

Posted by: Johnny Cash at May 20, 2020 05:38 PM (rpbg1)

185 When I was a teenager I read that series even more often than I read LoTR. I loved it. I also loved his Books of Swords. They would make for a great series of movies.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Taking the Afternoon Off at May 20, 2020 05:35 PM (x8Wzq)

Stonecutter!... I cannot remember the names of other swords... Farslayer? The sniper rifle of swords. Kind of like John Moses Browning made a sword.

There was the Coin something or other... The Sword that made you good at well, sword combat.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 20, 2020 05:38 PM (A5zUN)

186 Superman fighting Batman. Avengers fighting among themselves. It defeats the whole purpose of a superhero that I grew up with.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 20, 2020 05:38 PM (XX9+E)

187 I read some Piers as a teenager. I started getting more than a bit of creepy vibe.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 20, 2020 05:36 PM (A5zUN)
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I draw the line at reading a book titled, "The Color of Her Panties".

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at May 20, 2020 05:38 PM (4o2K3)

188 Joss Whedon is one of the most loathsome creatures to walk this earth. I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire. I'd fan the flames.

Having said that, his "Much Ado About Nothing" is nothing short of brilliant. Clever, funny and entertaining while sticking more strictly to The Bard's original screenplay that just about any Shakespeare movie adaptation ever made. Awesome use of black & white filming. Inspired casting. Just a terrific little labor-of-love film.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at May 20, 2020 05:38 PM (+7yf7)

189 There was also one that made you good at defending towns? Town something?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 20, 2020 05:39 PM (A5zUN)

190 I live the first Ringworld....but the sequels got weird with the Protectors/vampires or whatever they were.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020


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The second one, Ringworld Engineers, is good, but not a patch on the original.

Posted by: Johnny Cash at May 20, 2020 05:39 PM (rpbg1)

191 Saberhagen has been unjustly forgotten. In the late '70s he did a paperback original called The Dracula Tape, which is Dracula telling his adventure in England from his point of view. It's both hilarious and exactly on point.
Posted by: Johnny Cash at May 20, 2020 05:38 PM (rpbg1) \
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Excellent book. He makes maximum usage of the plot holes in Stoker's original.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at May 20, 2020 05:39 PM (4o2K3)

192 Why dont you be the Donger?

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 20, 2020 05:39 PM (NI4rU)

193 Harley Quinn should do hot xxx lesbian action with poison ivy... I'd pay to see that!

Posted by: Look for the wet spot at May 20, 2020 05:39 PM (Wyjm0)

194 One problem with the first Superman movie is that they setup Zod as being right. Like 100% right. His coup fails, he gets sent to the phantom zone....and then the planet blows up because they didn't listen to him. Then by the time he makes it to earth he is a crazy eyed moron.


Here's a thought. Tow your world engine to Venus and no one cares what you do with it.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020 05:39 PM (WdocV)

195 I draw the line at reading a book titled, "The Color of Her Panties".
Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at May 20, 2020 05:38 PM (4o2K3)

Weird, that was about the same time for me too.

It started out cutesy and then just got really creepy.

I saw a commercial he did. Yeah, he does not look like a kindly, well adjusted grandpa.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 20, 2020 05:40 PM (A5zUN)

196 Harley Quinn should do hot xxx lesbian action with poison ivy... I'd pay to see that!
***

The injustice games hint they were a lot more then just friends....

Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020 05:40 PM (WdocV)

197 "The Eternals" may well be Marvel's first flop. And I don't think it will be the last.

Posted by: ace at May 20, 2020 05:31 PM (PbpT7)

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Um. I remember people thinking Who TF are the Guardians of the Galaxy?!

Which is among Marvel's biggest triumphs.

But it could be, if the SJW-impulse has already set in.

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2020 05:40 PM (Eicbe)

198 What is the worse that could happen?

Stacey Abrams in a cape makes a cameo.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 20, 2020 05:41 PM (WL8FS)

199 When I was a teenager I read that series even more often than I read LoTR. I loved it. I also loved his Books of Swords. They would make for a great series of movies.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Taking the Afternoon Off at May 20, 2020 05:35 PM (x8Wzq)

Stonecutter!... I cannot remember the names of other swords... Farslayer? The sniper rifle of swords. Kind of like John Moses Browning made a sword.

There was the Coin something or other... The Sword that made you good at well, sword combat.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 20, 2020


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Coinspinner? Something to do with luck?

I'm in awe of how Saberhagen built the verses describing what each of the swords does.

Posted by: Johnny Cash at May 20, 2020 05:41 PM (rpbg1)

200 >>please let me know if one of the sites you read does an article explaining all this.

Will do but the net of it isn't that complicated. The Ukrainian government under Petro Poroshenko was working corruptly with Biden (and probably McCain) to launder US tax dollars and give kickbacks to Biden and probably many others. I'm pretty sure it wasn't just the US but other governments were involved through the IMF which is why the left has been saying that it wasn't just Joe that wanted the prosecutor looking into all of this fired.

I've thought all along this was a big reason for the Russia collusion garbage and why much of the dirt from the left in 2016 came from Ukraine.

It also shows that some of the favorites from the Ukraine impeachment including George Kent and Yovanovitch were involved as was the FBI.

This is bigger than a single article. This is core and I don't see how Joe survives as the nominee.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 20, 2020 05:41 PM (ZLI7S)

201 Posted by: Guy Smiley at May 20, 2020 05:38 PM (+7yf7)


Another great script selected by Keanu Reeves. He has a gift for selecting movie roles.

Posted by: Kilroy wasn't here at May 20, 2020 05:41 PM (XX9+E)

202 One reason I liked Saberhagen so much is that his wordsmithing was very enjoyable as well as his storytelling. He often turned a phrase that would make me chuckle out loud, a rare thing for me, the reader and wannabe writer.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Taking the Afternoon Off at May 20, 2020 05:41 PM (x8Wzq)

203 Um. I remember people thinking Who TF are the Guardians of the Galaxy?!



Which is among Marvel's biggest triumphs.

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They did get the perfect guy for the lead in that movie though....and the supporting cast are pretty good too.


Who is leading the Eternals?

Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020 05:41 PM (WdocV)

204
Almost read the entire post.

Posted by: YIKES! at May 20, 2020 05:41 PM (t6XCL)

205 Then by the time he makes it to earth he is a crazy eyed moron.


Here's a thought. Tow your world engine to Venus and no one cares what you do with it.
Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020 05:39 PM (WdocV)
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He was genetically engineered to preserve the Krypton race.

How sympathetic Zod was in MoS is, I think, part of the charm.

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2020 05:42 PM (Eicbe)

206 I've been hoping for a while we could get a big screen treatment of CS Lewis's Out of Space Trilogy

Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020

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Larry Niven's Ringworld

John Varley's Mammoth

And in fantasy, Fred Saberhagen's Empire of the East
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 20, 2020 05:32 PM (rpbg1)



"The Book of the New Sun" by Gene Wolfe

That needs one needs David Lynch and David Lynch needs a great tight script so he's free to do his thing and still tell a story.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 20, 2020 05:42 PM (CDVfT)

207 Here's the problem with Superman in Man of Steel. He's not Superman- the end.

I was thinking about this the other day: name characters like Superman. Captain America. That is pretty much all I can think of.

Noble. Knows who they are and what is right and will do what is right no matter what.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 20, 2020 05:42 PM (A5zUN)

208 some exclusive premium AOSHQ that only all-access members know about?

Exclusive resort location via Airbnbarrel.

Posted by: The Hedgehog at May 20, 2020 05:42 PM (rNgCY)

209 Towncrafter? No, I think that was a clothing line from JC Penney.

Having twelve swords is good mythic storytelling, but it's hard for some readers to remember them all.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 20, 2020 05:43 PM (rpbg1)

210 Coinspinner? Something to do with luck?

I'm in awe of how Saberhagen built the verses describing what each of the swords does.
Posted by: Johnny Cash at May 20, 2020 05:41 PM (rpbg1)

Yeah, Coinspinner. It was the one that made you lucky. I have the books around here somewhere...

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 20, 2020 05:43 PM (A5zUN)

211 Guardians never took itself seriously. They are literally the B team and they had fun doing it.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 20, 2020 05:43 PM (WL8FS)

212 Many years ago Marvel did an alternate universe one shot called RUINS, where everything they could possibly have gone wrong did go wrong. It was disturbing, depressing and gross, but it would be interested to see it filmed, even if animated.

Posted by: Citizen at May 20, 2020 05:44 PM (ldmQR)

213 He did Suckerpunch which is supposed to be...
something? I have no clue I never watched it. Its supposed to be a
criticism of sexy kickass girls in action movies? Or something weird I
don't know.

Posted by: buzzion at May 20, 2020 05:05 PM (Z7lwY)

I caught Suckerpunch on free HBO. It is no SkyCaptain and the World of Tomorrow.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at May 20, 2020 05:07 PM (KnJdm)


Sucker Punch is one of the ugliest movies I've ever seen. Which is quite a feat, considering how many good looking women are in it.

If he was trying to make a point about exploiting women, he sorta lost sight of that, because this movie is one of the most exploitative things ever filmed.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2020 05:44 PM (hku12)

214 209 Towncrafter? No, I think that was a clothing line from JC Penney.

Having twelve swords is good mythic storytelling, but it's hard for some readers to remember them all.
Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 20, 2020 05:43 PM (rpbg1)

TownKiller? No that would not be good at defending...

It does not help that I have not read the books since I was 16.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 20, 2020 05:44 PM (A5zUN)

215 I draw the line at reading a book titled, "The Color of Her Panties".
Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at May 20, 2020 05:38 PM (4o2K3)

Weird, that was about the same time for me too.

It started out cutesy and then just got really creepy.

I saw a commercial he did. Yeah, he does not look like a kindly, well adjusted grandpa.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 20, 2020 05:40 PM (A5zUN)
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I stopped long before that one. It was the nail in the coffin, though.

I had quite a few of them, but then, one day, I looked at the bookshelf and decided I didn't want to reread them. And did what I rarely do with books, gave them away.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at May 20, 2020 05:44 PM (4o2K3)

216 Y'know, if HBO wanted to remake something done recently that tons of fans hated, I'm not sure why they didn't just start with Game of Thrones Season 8

Posted by: Randy Magnum at May 20, 2020 05:44 PM (A2zgD)

217 196 Harley Quinn should do hot xxx lesbian action with poison ivy... I'd pay to see that!
***

The injustice games hint they were a lot more then just friends....
Posted by: 18-1 at May 20, 2020 05:40 PM (WdocV)

The comics already made that canon.

Started back in the comic book adaptations of the Animated Series.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 20, 2020 05:44 PM (l4C/z)

218 SCOTUS rejects House bid to get the Mueller Grand Jury records.

Posted by: Ben Had at May 20, 2020 05:44 PM (Bk2iI)

219 There was the Coin something or other... The Sword that made you good at well, sword combat.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 20, 2020

I can't recall all the sword names, but some of them were pretty brutal, like Soultaker (?)

Woundhealer was an interesting one. Farslayer. Sightblinder.

I may throw these on my summer reading pile.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Taking the Afternoon Off at May 20, 2020 05:44 PM (x8Wzq)

220 One reason I liked Saberhagen so much is that his wordsmithing was very enjoyable as well as his storytelling. He often turned a phrase that would make me chuckle out loud, a rare thing for me, the reader and wannabe writer.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Taking the Afternoon Off at May 20, 2020


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He deserves to be better known. His "Berserker" series of short stories are famous within SF; one of those could make a good film.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 20, 2020 05:45 PM (rpbg1)

221 HBOMax? Is that like Disney Plus only without Disney, Fox, Marvel (and whatever the hell else the Mouse owns) on it?

Posted by: Ernst Schreiber at May 20, 2020 05:45 PM (Cbv9I)

222 Having said that, his "Much Ado About Nothing" is nothing short of brilliant. Clever, funny and entertaining while sticking more strictly to The Bard's original screenplay that just about any Shakespeare movie adaptation ever made. Awesome use of black & white filming. Inspired casting. Just a terrific little labor-of-love film.
Posted by: Guy Smiley at May 20, 2020 05:38 PM (+7yf7)

You're right, I can enjoy that movie by pretending that THAT Joss Whedon died, and a revenant stalks the Earth in his body today. The most pussified revenant that ever existed.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 20, 2020 05:45 PM (Kpl3J)

223 215 I draw the line at reading a book titled, "The Color of Her Panties".
Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at May 20, 2020 05:38 PM (4o2K3)

Weird, that was about the same time for me too.

It started out cutesy and then just got really creepy.

I saw a commercial he did. Yeah, he does not look like a kindly, well adjusted grandpa.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 20, 2020 05:40 PM (A5zUN)
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I stopped long before that one. It was the nail in the coffin, though.

I had quite a few of them, but then, one day, I looked at the bookshelf and decided I didn't want to reread them. And did what I rarely do with books, gave them away.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at May 20, 2020 05:44 PM (4o2K3)

I was a hard core Piers Anthony fan. I read everything he wrote...up until The Color of her Panties and Firefly. That, plus Bio of a Space Tyrant, made me realize the guy was a pedo.

Haven't touched his shit since.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 20, 2020 05:46 PM (l4C/z)

224 It wasn't just IMF, all US aid is being grifted and grafted into kickbacks and payoffs.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 20, 2020 05:47 PM (r+sAi)

225 Here's the problem with Superman in Man of Steel. He's not Superman- the end.

I was thinking about this the other day: name characters like Superman. Captain America. That is pretty much all I can think of.

Noble. Knows who they are and what is right and will do what is right no matter what.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 20, 2020 05:42 PM (A5zUN)


It's almost pathetically obvious, this kid loved Superman when he was a child. Idolized him.

And then his daddy (or whomever) abused him.

So his idolized male role models are all about the dark side.

Get some therapy, Zack. This isn't working for you.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2020 05:47 PM (hku12)

226 58 now do all 3 of the new Star Wars movies

- -

Hell, start with the prequels.

Make Anakin some disaffected middle aged guy with delusions of grandeur instead of some super hero Chosen One.
Posted by: WitchDoktor, stupid and purposely ignorant. at May 20, 2020 05:13 PM (4k/Uz)

I'd have made him a twenty-something who had been billed as a Chosen One... and never could live up to the hype. Endless theoretical potential, but only ever managed to be a second-rate Jedi. Obi-Wan would have been his friend, trying to draw the best out of him, but he'd have spiralled into bitterness like a Ph.D working at Starbucks. That bitterness would lead to discovering the Dark Side, and its quick and easy power would let him appear to be the hero he was supposed to be. Acclaim, promotions, and a Council seat would follow...

But the knowledge of being a fraud and his precarious position would eat at him, until he met Palpatine. "I know... but worry not, friend. The council is wrong. There are other traditions..."

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at May 20, 2020 05:47 PM (K/cFc)

227 >> Harley Quinn should do hot xxx lesbian action with poison ivy... I'd pay to see that!

Put that as a search term in ornpayubpay. You won't even have to pay for it. I can't say if any of it is any good, but there is a shit ton of that theme.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at May 20, 2020 05:47 PM (f1Vqw)

228 211 Guardians never took itself seriously. They are literally the B team and they had fun doing it.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 20, 2020 05:43 PM (WL8FS)

Yup, they literally end the first movie saying they going to do something 'a bit of both' in a good/bad guy stuff sense.

One of my favorite movies. And the director hates me, you, all of us. So now that's ruined for me too.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 20, 2020 05:48 PM (l4C/z)

229 You forgot Piers and his Incarnations of Immortality who he replaced God with.

Posted by: Anna Puma at May 20, 2020 05:48 PM (WL8FS)

230
TownKiller? No that would not be good at defending...

It does not help that I have not read the books since I was 16.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 20, 2020


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I cheated and looked it up. Townsaver. Coinspinner was the other one:

Who holds Coinspinner knows good Odds
Whichever move he make
But the Sword of Chance, to please the gods,
Slips from him like a snake.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 20, 2020 05:48 PM (rpbg1)

231 So I love Jonny Cash

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 20, 2020 05:48 PM (NI4rU)

232 You're right, I can enjoy that movie by pretending that THAT Joss Whedon died, and a revenant stalks the Earth in his body today. The most pussified revenant that ever existed.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 20, 2020 05:45 PM (Kpl3J)
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I kinda feel the same way about Cat Stevens.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at May 20, 2020 05:48 PM (4o2K3)

233 But hey, at least I never cared enough about Star Trek to end up where Rich Evans and the RLM crew are.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 20, 2020 05:48 PM (l4C/z)

234 If you want to stream something light and stupid that will probably have you laughing out loud at several points, check out -

"The Wrong Missy" on Netflix.

It's a comedy from Adam Sandler's Happy Madison Studios starring David Spade.

So, you know what to expect.

It's about a guy who has a terrible blind date with a loony woman, and then shortly thereafter meets the woman of his dreams.

He invites the woman of his dreams to a business trip in Hawaii or so he thinks, and winds up accidentally inviting the loony cuz they two women have the same first name.

Silly, stupid, and packed with laughs.

Check it out.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 20, 2020 05:49 PM (CDVfT)

235 HBOMax? Is that like Disney Plus only without Disney, Fox, Marvel (and whatever the hell else the Mouse owns) on it?
Posted by: Ernst Schreiber at May 20, 2020 05:45 PM (Cbv9I)

Rumors are that CrunchyRoll (Anime) will be rolled into HBOMAX, so they will have lots of Anime and some Japan Live action shows, like UltraMan

Posted by: Patrick from Ohio at May 20, 2020 05:49 PM (dKiJG)

236 229 You forgot Piers and his Incarnations of Immortality who he replaced God with.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 20, 2020 05:48 PM (WL8FS)

I only got as far as book 3 in that series.

I like the first one. Nice magical realism world.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 20, 2020 05:50 PM (l4C/z)

237 Whedon is an insufferable cock.

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Never hought I'd say this but thank Ghod Firefly was cancelled. I read hints that the Blue Sun conglomerate was going to be a big eeevil thing going forward. Who knows what dark path Whedon was going to lead the show down?

Posted by: Vlad the Impaler, whittling away like mad at May 20, 2020 05:50 PM (d6mdH)

238 >>>If he was trying to make a point about exploiting women, he sorta lost sight of that, because this movie is one of the most exploitative things ever filmed.


it's an old trick: If you're doing something exploitative, claim that the message is anti-exploitation.

Many semi-pornographic magazine stories in the fifties had a "moral" appended at the end where they'd say "Oh, you should not do any of the things we've just titillated you for 50 pages talking about."

Posted by: ace at May 20, 2020 05:50 PM (PbpT7)

239 Y'know, if HBO wanted to remake something done recently that tons of fans hated, I'm not sure why they didn't just start with Game of Thrones Season 8
Posted by: Randy Magnum at May 20, 2020 05:44 PM (A2zgD)


I'd settle for them having Nucky Thompson dying old and broke and alone.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2020 05:50 PM (hku12)

240 I had quite a few of them, but then, one day, I looked at the bookshelf and decided I didn't want to reread them. And did what I rarely do with books, gave them away.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at May 20, 2020 05:44 PM (4o2K3)

Around, 4 years ago, after I moved this last time, I looked at my collection and noticed:

1) I have a lot of books.

2) Until I get a house, this is going to be a pain in the ass to move.

3) Among this collection of books, I have a lot of books that I just don't feel apathetic towards, but actually dislike.

So, I sold the ones I would never reread and actually could never see myself rereading. Anthony was one of the casualties.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 20, 2020 05:50 PM (A5zUN)

241 Rocksteady's Arkham trilogy is the best entertainment DC has put out since Nolan's trilogy.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at May 20, 2020 05:50 PM (qFB9S)

242 Not a fan of Snyder's DC universe but I'm happy to see he will get to finish/release the movie he wanted to make. Also happy justice League seems to have ended wheedon's carrer.

Other than that, I'm over super heroes. Burn all the money you want hollywood.

Posted by: JebPilled at May 20, 2020 05:51 PM (QUqEV)

243 it's an old trick: If you're doing something exploitative, claim that the message is anti-exploitation.
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The trope for that is "Do Not Do This Cool Thing".

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at May 20, 2020 05:51 PM (4o2K3)

244 Star Wars is *dead*.

Why do people try to shake its corpse?

It was *just* 2 1/2 good movies 40 years ago. And it's *best* movie was a A-to-B vehicle trying to get to the movie where Hamill can't act.

That's all it will ever be.

The next 40 years is salting and re-salting the ground.

And the third series shows that midochlorian bullshit is galactic Junk Science.

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2020 05:51 PM (Eicbe)

245 And to jump into the other thread, yes, I also love Saberhagen and the Book of Swords. Some of the Books of Lost Swords aren't as good.

Pohl Anderson also deserves renewed attention.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 20, 2020 05:52 PM (l4C/z)

246 Naturalfake mentions Adam Sandler, and I'm reminded of Just Go With It, the remake of Cactus Flower with Jennifer Aniston and Nicole Kidman. It's an out-and-out farce, with Sandler as a single dentist whose girlfriend (Brooklyn Decker) is getting marriage-minded. So Sandler asks his long-time nurse, Aniston, to pretend to be his wife.

Silly, yes. But funny in the right places. And any film with Jennifer and Nicole competing in a hula contest is not to be missed.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 20, 2020 05:53 PM (rpbg1)

247 236 229 You forgot Piers and his Incarnations of Immortality who he replaced God with.
Posted by: Anna Puma at May 20, 2020 05:48 PM (WL8FS)

I only got as far as book 3 in that series.

I like the first one. Nice magical realism world.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 20, 2020 05:50 PM (l4C/z)

Yes, the one for Death is good. He should have stopped there.

And it was good for my 15 year old self. Now, I think I would consider it to be drivel. I have a fair memory and I can remember some specific passages that seem like pretty shitty writing.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 20, 2020 05:53 PM (A5zUN)

248 He invites the woman of his dreams to a business trip in Hawaii or so he thinks, and winds up accidentally inviting the loony cuz they two women have the same first name.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 20, 2020 05:49 PM (CDVfT)
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Martha?

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2020 05:54 PM (Eicbe)

249 This is bigger than a single article. This is core and I don't see how Joe survives as the nominee.

Their problem is they don't have anyone else. Hillary? The house has already fallen on that witch. Bloomburg? Give me a break. Joe is literally the best they have. Whitmer, Tank Abrams, Newsome, Quomo? Quomo won't survive the Nuremburg trials he is about to face.

Posted by: An Observation at May 20, 2020 05:54 PM (naOLY)

250 248 He invites the woman of his dreams to a business trip in Hawaii or so he thinks, and winds up accidentally inviting the loony cuz they two women have the same first name.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 20, 2020 05:49 PM (CDVfT)
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Martha?
Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2020 05:54 PM (Eicbe)

Why did you say that name?!!!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 20, 2020 05:54 PM (l4C/z)

251 Martha?

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Wait....I was sleeping with your Mom Clark? Oops, guess I can't kill you now

Posted by: Batman at May 20, 2020 05:55 PM (WdocV)

252 Shit, I cannot find those books (Saberhagen.) I lost around a third of my books in a fire around *mumble* years ago. I may have to get them again.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 20, 2020 05:55 PM (A5zUN)

253 Saberhagen also did a later work that takes place between the Empire of the East time period and the Book of Swords time period, called Ardneh's Sword. It's also excellent, kind of an interesting stepping stone.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Taking the Afternoon Off at May 20, 2020 05:55 PM (x8Wzq)

254 Just my opinion...

But I thought "Man of Steel" by Zack Snyder was awesome.

Two thumbs up.

And I liked Amy Adams portrayal of Lois Lane.

I can't prove this with a well thought out essay or anything.

But I loved that movie.

Posted by: El Jefe at May 20, 2020 05:56 PM (Ae67h)

255 I pretty much just watch TCM anymore if the TV is on.

Occasionally IFC.

Posted by: jsg at May 20, 2020 05:56 PM (5zVTf)

256 250 248 He invites the woman of his dreams to a business trip in Hawaii or so he thinks, and winds up accidentally inviting the loony cuz they two women have the same first name.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 20, 2020 05:49 PM (CDVfT)
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Martha?
Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2020 05:54 PM (Eicbe)

Why did you say that name?!!!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 20, 2020 05:54 PM (l4C/z)

*golfclap*

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 20, 2020 05:56 PM (A5zUN)

257 If he was trying to make a point about exploiting women, he sorta lost sight of that, because this movie is one of the most exploitative things ever filmed.

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it's an old trick: If you're doing something exploitative, claim that the message is anti-exploitation.

Many semi-pornographic magazine stories in the fifties had a "moral" appended at the end where they'd say "Oh, you should not do any of the things we've just titillated you for 50 pages talking about."

Posted by: ace at May 20, 2020 05:50 PM (PbpT7)


I could almost admire him for that... if he was thinking he was fooling the rubes.

I suspect though, Zack doesn't know. He's not aware of this great big wrong turn in his head. I'm not going to compare him to Hilter, because that would be silly, but it's kinda like Hilter, in that Hilter doesn't think he was bad. He thought he was good. It was the rest of us who were evil and needed to shown the error of our ways, or die.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2020 05:56 PM (hku12)

258 Eternals stars Rob Stark in the lead male role. (It looks like.)

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2020 05:56 PM (Eicbe)

259 Nope, that will suck too

Posted by: Chicago Vota at May 20, 2020 05:56 PM (g9x4e)

260 Pohl Anderson also deserves renewed attention.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 20, 2020


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He wrote so many novels, both in SF and fantasy. His Operation Chaos, about a mid-20th Century America and world where magic operates and underpins society, would make a dynamite film. His Dominic Flandry spy tales, his Nicholas van Rijn stories -- all good stuff.

And H'wood has the technology to do these things now -- to have realistic-looking aliens and starships!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 20, 2020 05:57 PM (rpbg1)

261 The only superhero I like is Antman

Posted by: It's me donna at May 20, 2020 05:57 PM (Zmnko)

262 Of all the Star Wars shit out there - I enjoyed the Zahn books the most. Whatever happened to that guy ?

Posted by: I Have No Party at May 20, 2020 05:57 PM (fkLIX)

263 Ok, I am going to piss people off:

I like Superman Returns.

Not Lex Luthor parts, those are retarded.

I liked that they actually tried to get to the parts of Superman which are interesting.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 20, 2020 05:58 PM (A5zUN)

264 BREAKING: The U.S. Supreme Court blocks the House of Representatives from obtaining secret grand jury testimony from special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation. Too Bad, So Sad

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 20, 2020 05:58 PM (5cLAc)

265 Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser deserve a feature film.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at May 20, 2020 05:59 PM (4o2K3)

266

Guess I'll go back and read the comments in the meaty threads I missed today.

Wondering if anyone knew what Billy K was likely referencing when he used the phrase "Keystone Spooks."
I'm gonna guess a certain handful, if they were around.

Posted by: Relax - buy popcorn at May 20, 2020 05:59 PM (130AC)

267 Zack Snyder is no liberal.

One: He is big into physical fitness. And not that gay ass yoga and aerobic stuff.

Two: Wears a shirt that says "Infidel" on it with a picture of a man and a AR-15.

Three: Directed "300".

Posted by: El Jefe at May 20, 2020 06:00 PM (Ae67h)

268 The only superhero I like is Antman

^^ This.

Posted by: Bosk at May 20, 2020 06:00 PM (gQzBS)

269 Hell, start with the prequels.

Make Anakin some disaffected middle aged guy with delusions of grandeur instead of some super hero Chosen One.
Posted by: WitchDoktor, stupid and purposely ignorant. at May 20, 2020 05:13 PM (4k/Uz)

I'd have made him a twenty-something who had been billed as a Chosen One... and never could live up to the hype. Endless theoretical potential, but only ever managed to be a second-rate Jedi. Obi-Wan would have been his friend, trying to draw the best out of him, but he'd have spiralled into bitterness like a Ph.D working at Starbucks. That bitterness would lead to discovering the Dark Side, and its quick and easy power would let him appear to be the hero he was supposed to be. Acclaim, promotions, and a Council seat would follow...

But the knowledge of being a fraud and his precarious position would eat at him, until he met Palpatine. "I know... but worry not, friend. The council is wrong. There are other traditions..."
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at May 20, 2020 05:47 PM (K/cFc)


My Episode 1: The Republic is falling into corruption and warlordism, with much of the outer rim beset by pirate fleets who grow more brazen each passing day. A pirate fleet is besieging Naboo, and two Jedi Knights are sent to assist: Qui-Gon Jin and Obi-Wan Kenobi. There ship barely make it to the surface after being pursued by pirate forces. After saving Amidala from an assassination attempt, they escape with the Queen and the Naboo government using a fleet of decoy ships, most of which are destroyed. The Jedi and Amidala escape aboard a spice smuggler's ship. The ship is piloted by Owen Lars and navigator Anakin Skywalker. Damaged, they land on Tattoine, where Anakin agrees to pilot in a podrace in order to pay for parts to repair the ship. Obi-Wan and Amidala share a bit of budding attraction while helping to repair the ship.

During the race pirates attack the ship, led by Darth Maul. Maul defeats Kenobi and kidnaps Amidala. The Jedi join up with a Republic fleet preparing to break the siege, and later lead the smugglers and a Republic commando unit onto the pirate asteroid base to rescue Amidala. During the battle the Jedi engage Maul while Anakin saves Amidala. Qui-Gon is killed by Maul, and in turn is killed by Kenobi, who is trapped by pirate troops and combat droids in a cargo bay until rescued at the last minute by an attack shuttle piloted by Anakin and Amidala.
After the funeral for Qui-Gon, Kenobi offers to bring Anakin along with him to see the galaxy. Later, he watches a holorecording by Qui-Gon, who states that he believes Anakin is force-sensitive, and "extremely powerful". Qui-Gon suggests that Kenobi should keep an eye on the young man, but not let the Jedi council know about him for fear of what they would do.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at May 20, 2020 06:00 PM (SgjGX)

270 Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser deserve a feature film.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at May 20, 2020 05:59 PM (4o2K3)
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L Sprague Decamp. Yeah.

But it would probably be Uwe Boll.

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2020 06:00 PM (Eicbe)

271 262 Of all the Star Wars shit out there - I enjoyed the Zahn books the most. Whatever happened to that guy ?
Posted by: I Have No Party at May 20, 2020 05:57 PM (fkLIX)

Well, his sequel trilogy actually had a plot and like, characters.

So it went the same way as the rest of the Expanded Universe when Kennedy took over.

As far as Zahn himself, not sure. He did other stuff and I think just went back to that.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 20, 2020 06:00 PM (A5zUN)

272 SCOTUS has blocked Jerry Nads from obtaining documentation of Mueller's investigation. At least temporarily.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at May 20, 2020 06:00 PM (sWM8x)

273

Oops, popcorn eating sock off.

Posted by: TeeJ at May 20, 2020 06:00 PM (130AC)

274 264 No reason it ever could be allowed except Leftists think rules are not for them.

Posted by: Skip at May 20, 2020 06:01 PM (ZCEU2)

275 Not a fan of Snyder's DC universe but I'm happy to see he will get to finish/release the movie he wanted to make. Also happy justice League seems to have ended wheedon's carrer.

Other than that, I'm over super heroes. Burn all the money you want hollywood.
Posted by: JebPilled at May 20, 2020 05:51 PM (QUqEV)


The Boys, on Amazon, is worth a look. It's an anti-superhero story.

Not sure where they go in Season 2 though, might turn into a trainwreck, but the first season was terrific.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2020 06:01 PM (hku12)

276 Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at May 20, 2020 06:00 PM (SgjGX)


I would watch this movie.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 20, 2020 06:02 PM (E2Y9z)

277 It was *just* 2 1/2 good movies 40 years ago. And it's *best* movie was a A-to-B vehicle trying to get to the movie where Hamill can't act. 

That's all it will ever be. 

The next 40 years is salting and re-salting the ground. 

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2020 05:51 PM (Eicbe)

KOTOR was arguably better than Empire, and singlehandedly saved Star Wars at the turn of the century. It is the game that truly made Bioware, excepting maybe Dragon Age. But Bioware is long since dead, and I don't actually think The Mandalorian will be enough to save Star Wars from the hate its new owners offer it.

Posted by: trev006 at May 20, 2020 06:02 PM (0HpOW)

278 Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser deserve a feature film.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at May 20, 2020 05:59 PM (4o2K3)
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L Sprague Decamp. Yeah.

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2020 06:00 PM (Eicbe)
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Uh, no. Fritz Leiber.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at May 20, 2020 06:02 PM (4o2K3)

279 Not sure where they go in Season 2 though, might turn into a trainwreck, but the first season was terrific.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 20, 2020 06:01 PM (hku12)


It's based off a comic book series that has a definite story arc, so at least they have that to work with.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at May 20, 2020 06:02 PM (SgjGX)

280 Guess what?

https://tinyurl.com/y7jdxtyr
Posted by: JackStraw at May 20, 2020 05:15 PM (ZLI7S)

A taste:

After the Yanukovych group escape to the Russian Feeration, these individuals, using the positions obtained after the Maidan, in coordination with the former President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko, former Vice President of the United States Joe Biden, former US Charge' d'Affaires a.i. in Ukraine George Kent and FBI Supervisory Special Agent for Eastern European Karen Greenaway, committed actions to redistribute the assets of the Yanukovych group and counter the investigation. In particular, this concerns episode related to the legalization of funds through the purchase and sale of the UMH Group media holding, bonds of Ukraine's external public debt and the like.


Posted by: Braenyard at May 20, 2020 06:03 PM (QNIOn)

281 Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser deserve a feature film.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at May 20, 2020 05:59 PM (4o2K3)
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L Sprague Decamp. Yeah.

But it would probably be Uwe Boll.
Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2020


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Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser are Fritz Leiber's series. DeCamp (whom I met at an SF convention way back in '87) started with SF and fantasy and helped to revive Conan the Barbarian long before the 1982 movie by writing more stories about him.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 20, 2020 06:03 PM (rpbg1)

282 SCOTUS has blocked Jerry Nads from obtaining documentation of Mueller's investigation. At least temporarily.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at May 20, 2020 06:00 PM (sWM8x)



I am sure he has them. What he doesn't have is a way to leak them without himself, and/or at least one of Mueller's toads, going to jail.

Posted by: Grump928(c) at May 20, 2020 06:03 PM (E2Y9z)

283 Which character does Stacey Abrams play?

Posted by: wth at May 20, 2020 06:03 PM (v0R5T)

284
Uh, no. Fritz Leiber.
Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at May 20, 2020 06:02 PM (4o2K3)
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Ooops. Yeah, it's been a while.

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2020 06:04 PM (Eicbe)

285 Wonder if the Flash actor will choke someone out on set?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 20, 2020 06:04 PM (AFSld)

286 Which character does Stacey Abrams play?
Posted by: wth at May 20, 2020 06:03 PM (v0R5T)
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She can take over some of Dennehey's old roles.

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2020 06:04 PM (Eicbe)

287 De Camp and Fletcher Pratt's "Incompleat Enchanter" stories could also make good movies.

Posted by: Captain Obvious, USS Lone Fire at May 20, 2020 06:04 PM (4o2K3)

288 Kayleigh once again destroys CNN shithead Kaitlin Collins hahaha How many times do you have to touch something & burn the fuck out of yourself before you learn to not do that ??

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 20, 2020 06:04 PM (5cLAc)

289 "The Book of the New Sun" by Gene Wolfe

That needs one needs David Lynch and David Lynch needs a great tight script so he's free to do his thing and still tell a story.
Posted by: naturalfake at May 20, 2020 05:42 PM


YAAAAAS. I just read those a few weeks ago when I was on my temporary work furlough.

Posted by: ptschett at May 20, 2020 06:05 PM (zB+vL)

290 Does it have Gal Gadot's inner thigh musculature in it?


Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2020 06:05 PM (Qf83p)

291 My Episode 1: The Republic is falling into corruption and warlordism, with much of the outer rim beset by pirate fleets who grow more brazen each passing day. A pirate fleet is besieging Naboo, and two Jedi Knights are sent to assist: Qui-Gon Jin and Obi-Wan Kenobi. . . .
Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at May 20, 2020


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That does sound exciting!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at May 20, 2020 06:05 PM (rpbg1)

292 Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at May 20, 2020 06:00 PM (SgjGX)

That's not bad, Alex.

My buddy and my Prequel tale was simple:

-You meet Anakin as a young man.

-Make him and Obi-Wan comrades. Actual likable friends. It is important to make Anakin seem like someone you are actually horrified is going down the obvious bad path. That gives it the sense of inexorable tragedy. Plus, you have to make him someone the audience WANTS to see redeemed (Smacks Lucas across the face with a halibut for the killing small children bit.)

-The girl is what starts to come between them and drives Anakin toward the dark side, plus the things he has to do during the clone wars (NOT killing kids or drowning kittens or puppies.)

There is a reason that love triangles are an old trope- they are something that people can relate to and ... forgive.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 20, 2020 06:06 PM (A5zUN)

293 nood

Posted by: eleven at May 20, 2020 06:06 PM (Qf83p)

294 >>>Which character does Stacey Abrams play?


Colossus.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 20, 2020 06:07 PM (AFSld)

295 Guess what?

https://tinyurl.com/y7jdxtyr
Posted by: JackStraw at May 20, 2020 05:15 PM (ZLI7S)

A taste:

After the Yanukovych group escape to the Russian Feeration, these individuals, using the positions obtained after the Maidan, in coordination with the former President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko, former Vice President of the United States Joe Biden, former US Charge' d'Affaires a.i. in Ukraine George Kent and FBI Supervisory Special Agent for Eastern European Karen Greenaway, committed actions to redistribute the assets of the Yanukovych group and counter the investigation. In particular, this concerns episode related to the legalization of funds through the purchase and sale of the UMH Group media holding, bonds of Ukraine's external public debt and the like.


Posted by: Braenyard at May 20, 2020 06:03 PM (QNIOn)
*******
Jack Straw is anything happening ??? asking for a friend

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 20, 2020 06:07 PM (5cLAc)

296 KOTOR was arguably better than Empire, and singlehandedly saved Star Wars at the turn of the century. It is the game that truly made Bioware, excepting maybe Dragon Age. But Bioware is long since dead, and I don't actually think The Mandalorian will be enough to save Star Wars from the hate its new owners offer it.
Posted by: trev006 at May 20, 2020 06:02 PM (0HpOW)

KOTOR, why do you bedevil me so? You make me have hope for Star Wars.

The Reveal is the first time I can say: THAT is some great story telling, no matter the medium.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 20, 2020 06:07 PM (A5zUN)

297 That's not bad, Alex.

My buddy and my Prequel tale was simple:


I kind of hit the same highlights as you.

A love triangle between Obi-Wan, Amidala, and Anakin to give some conflict and explain some of the later decisions.

Setting up a friendship between Obi-Wan and Anakin.

Setting up Obi-Wan as Anakin's mentor, but unsuited for the role, which helps give an air of grief over Anakin's fall ("It was my fault!").

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at May 20, 2020 06:09 PM (SgjGX)

298 Normally, I like a movie that is so long you can come out of it, take a breather, and go right back in.

With Phantom Menace it was "I'm *still* watching this movie?!"

We had instilled a love of the original series into my young son and I vowed to say nothing bad about the movie.

I enjoyed The Meh Awakens a trifle more and I tried to say nothing about it, until my much older son started talking it down.

Posted by: Axeman at May 20, 2020 06:10 PM (Eicbe)

299 Setting up Obi-Wan as Anakin's mentor, but unsuited for the role, which helps give an air of grief over Anakin's fall ("It was my fault!").

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at May 20, 2020 06:09 PM (SgjGX)

Yeah, it was obvious to everyone except Lucas...

I think toys did him in. Got to make it something the kids can relate to.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 20, 2020 06:11 PM (A5zUN)

300
Mid-century smut dressed up as moral propaganda was at least regular porno and presumably made by high-t, mob-affiliated men in shiny, tailored suits. Probably carried ivory-handled nickel-plated derringers, too.

For ours we get movies with no tits, that feature greased up muscle jocks in lycra costumes, and it's made by an effeminate sack of shit who only gets laid because of a casting couch.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 20, 2020 06:12 PM (h6CJG)

301 For the record you can like 300 as a liberal. I just watch it muted.

Posted by: Barack Obama at May 20, 2020 06:13 PM (WdocV)

302 Snyder does great visuals, but he's kind of a shitty storyteller.

Not having seen Dawn Of The Dead, 300 is his best, but the original stuff added into the movie (the comic series was very short) was boring fluff.

Watchmen lacked any and all imagination.

Sucker Punch was supremely self-indulgent. It felt like a too clever by half film school project with a $100 million dollar budget. Not without its redeeming qualities (sooo many nice legs) but it's a minimally talented director thinking he's an arteest with a muddled message about women's rights and satirical jabs on notions of female empowerment.

Man Of Steel wasn't Watchmen. No, definitely not Watchmen. Man Of Steel was Miracleman. And if you don't know what I mean read a synopsis of Alan Moore's run on Miracleman and you'll understand.

Batman V Superman was...okay. Just okay. And completely unnecessary.

Justice League was trash and I don't care what they say that was still 95% Snyder's film. It was Snyder's own rancid bloody stool. Whedon, sleazeball though he may be, knows how to tell a fucking story.

Anyway, still not getting HBO.

Posted by: Robert at May 20, 2020 06:19 PM (bod0u)

303 Whedon deliberately screwed with avenger competition.

Posted by: Sabotage at May 20, 2020 06:44 PM (hRgjY)

304 "Shazam" remains the best of the DC live action films.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 20, 2020 07:23 PM (l9m7l)

305 299 Setting up Obi-Wan as Anakin's mentor, but unsuited for the role, which helps give an air of grief over Anakin's fall ("It was my fault!").

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at May 20, 2020 06:09 PM (SgjGX)

Yeah, it was obvious to everyone except Lucas...

Negative. Filoni talks about Lucas explicitly setting it up that way and that arc being the result of dual of the fates....Qui Gon, dying

Posted by: Resist_we_Much at May 20, 2020 08:11 PM (BkYvb)

306 When I bought a new Sony BluRay player, it came bundled with a copy of "Justice League."

That was a year ago and I haven't taken the wrapper off.

Looks like that was the right decision and there is no reason to change it,

Posted by: Whitehall at May 21, 2020 12:28 AM (u15u2)

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