Ben Smith: "Resistance Journalism" Has Corrupted the Heart of the Media

Glenn Greenwald quotes from a recent Ben Smith piece, a piece which notes that leftwing hero Ronan Farrow seems to be a shoddy journalist -- if a journalist at all -- who will freely dispose of rules and rigor in the pursuit of dramatic, book-deal-worthy headlines.

Smith also notes that Ronan Farrow had a completely fakenews "blockbuster" about the Trump administration supposedly destroying secret, incriminating correspondence with Michael Cohen. Spoiler: Proof for this allegation can be found in the same file establishing that Cohen's cellphone "pinged" towers in Prague, Czechia, when Cohen was meeting with Putin.

Smith attacks "resistance journalism" as being a wholly corrupt enterprise which not only violates all norms of journalism and rigor, but which praises itself for dispensing of such restraints when seeking to attack... well, let's face it: OrangeManBad.

What is particularly valuable about Smith's article is its perfect description of a media sickness borne of the Trump era that is rapidly corroding journalistic integrity and justifiably destroying trust in news outlets. Smith aptly dubs this pathology "resistance journalism," by which he means that journalists are now not only free, but encouraged and incentivized, to say or publish anything they want, no matter how reckless and fact-free, provided their target is someone sufficiently disliked in mainstream liberal media venues and/or on social media:

[Farrow's] work, though, reveals the weakness of a kind of resistance journalism that has thrived in the age of Donald Trump: That if reporters swim ably along with the tides of social media and produce damaging reporting about public figures most disliked by the loudest voices, the old rules of fairness and open-mindedness can seem more like impediments than essential journalistic imperatives.
That can be a dangerous approach, particularly in a moment when the idea of truth and a shared set of facts is under assault.
In assailing Farrow for peddling unproven conspiracy theories, Smith argues that such journalistic practices are particularly dangerous in an era where conspiracy theories are increasingly commonplace. Yet unlike most journalists with a mainstream platform, Smith emphasizes that conspiracy theories are commonly used not only by Trump and his movement (conspiracy theories which are quickly debunked by most of the mainstream media), but are also commonly deployed by Trump's enemies, whose reliance on conspiracy theories is virtually never denounced by journalists because mainstream news outlets themselves play a key role in peddling them:

We are living in an era of conspiracies and dangerous untruths -- many pushed by President Trump, but others hyped by his enemies -- that have lured ordinary Americans into passionately believing wild and unfounded theories and fiercely rejecting evidence to the contrary. The best reporting tries to capture the most attainable version of the truth, with clarity and humility about what we don't know. Instead, Mr. Farrow told us what we wanted to believe about the way power works, and now, it seems, he and his publicity team are not even pretending to know if it's true.
EVER SINCE DONALD TRUMP WAS ELECTED, and one could argue even in the months leading up to his election, journalistic standards have been consciously jettisoned when it comes to reporting on public figures who, in Smith's words, are "most disliked by the loudest voices," particularly when such reporting "swim[s] ably along with the tides of social media." Put another way: As long the targets of one's conspiracy theories and attacks are regarded as villains by the guardians of mainstream liberal social media circles, journalists reap endless career rewards for publishing unvetted and unproven -- even false -- attacks on such people, while never suffering any negative consequences when their stories are exposed as shabby frauds.

It is this "resistance journalism" sickness that caused U.S. politics to be drowned for three years in little other than salacious and fact-free conspiracy theories about Trump and his family members and closest associates: Putin had infiltrated and taken over the U.S. government through sexual and financial blackmail leverage over Trump and used it to dictate U.S. policy; Trump officials conspired with the Kremlin to interfere in the 2016 election; Russia was attacking the U.S. by hacking its electricity grid, recruiting journalists to serve as clandestine Kremlin messengers, and plotting to cut off heat to Americans in winter. Mainstream media debacles -- all in service of promoting the same set of conspiracy theories against Trump -- are literally too numerous to count, requiring one to select the worst offenses as illustrative.

Glenn Beck 2009 + Maddow 2019 is the greatest crossover event in history pic.twitter.com/D1NElGBq3U
— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) January 31, 2019

Exactly the same journalism-destroying dynamic is driving the post-Russiagate media landscape. There is literally no accountability for the journalists and news outlets that spread falsehoods in their pages, on their airwaves, and through their viral social media postings. The Washington Post’s media columnist Erik Wemple has been one of the very few journalists devoted to holding these myth-peddlers accountable — recounting how one of the most reckless Russigate conspiracy maximialists, Natasha Bertrand, became an overnight social media and journalism star by peddling discredited conspiratorial trash (she was notably hired by Jeffrey Goldberg to cover Russigate for The Atlantic); MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow spent three years hyping conspiratorial junk with no need even to retract any of it; and Mother Jones’ David Corn played a crucial, decisively un-journalistic role in mainstreaming the lies of the Steele dossier all with zero effect on his journalistic status, other than to enrich him through a predictably bestselling book that peddled those unhinged conspiracies further.

He notes that none of the "resistance journalists" on the left nor the overexposed, Soros-funded NeverTrump pundits who have promoted unhinghed conspiracy theories has paid any price at all for having done so. None of them in fact will even admit these are/were conspiracy theories.

Ask AllahPundit directly if the conspiracy theories he's pushed for three and half years were conspiracy theories. Ask Jake Tapper. Ask Brian Stelter. Ask David French.

They'll evade the question.

The point at which a conspiracy theory turns into a capital-letters Conspiracy Theory is when its adherents start scoffing at demands for evidence as if that's dirty pool.

Or when they scoff at the many, many proofs against their conspiracy theory -- you know, the ultimate proof that a conspiracy theory is true is when They have faked a lot of "evidence" to "disprove" it.*

David French is fond of claiming he never pushed these theories at all -- despite his published words promoting these theories -- and claims that he merely "supported Mueller."

But then the moment a #ResistanceJournalist gives him hope that the conspiracy theories he supposedly never promoted can be salvaged, he's right back out there pushing those conspiracy theories again.

Until that latest last gasp of hope is itself discredited.

Then David French is right back to claiming I never pushed the conspiracy theories that you can plainly see from my Twitter Timeline I pushed almost every fucking day.

Anyway -- none of them has paid a price, none of them has even been made to answer the most basic questions about why they were so eager to push a conspiracy theory despite -- as the CNN chyron would say -- those conspiracy theories being WITHOUT EVIDENCE.

In fact, the more conspiracy theories they push, the more they get promoted, and the more book deals they sign:

By far the easiest path to career success over the last three years -- booming ratings, lucrative book sales, exploding social media followings, career rehabilitation even for the most discredited D.C. operatives -- was to feed establishment liberals an endless diet of fearmongering and inflammatory conspiracies about Drumpf and his White House. Whether it was true or supported by basic journalistic standards was completely irrelevant. Responsible reporting was simply was not a metric used to assess its worth.
It was one thing for activists, charlatans, and con artists to exploit fears of Trump for material gain: that, by definition, is what such people do. But it was another thing entirely for journalists to succumb to all the low-hanging career rewards available to them by throwing all journalistic standards into the trash bin in exchange for a star turn as a #Resistance icon. That, as Smith aptly describes, is what "Resistance Journalism" is, and it’s hard to identify anything more toxic to our public discourse.

Read the whole thing.

* There's a saying that no American thinks of himself as poor, but merely as a temporarily-embarrassed millionaire.

Similarly, for NeverTrumpers and the Anti-Drumpf! Media, there's no such thing as a discredited conspiracy theory -- just a temporarily-embarrassed Larger Truth.

Posted by: Ace at 12:28 PM

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1 First

Posted by: thathalfrican - Clark Kent with the glasses off at May 19, 2020 12:28 PM (IYHxL)

2 first

time travel!

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 12:28 PM (LvTSG)

3 Oh!

Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2020 12:29 PM (QxGJc)

4 Cry more bitches

Posted by: thathalfrican - Clark Kent with the glasses off at May 19, 2020 12:29 PM (IYHxL)

5 dammit

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 12:29 PM (LvTSG)

6 Speaking of people who are experts in EVERYTHING, I understand we are supposed to be outraged that the President is taking that medication.

Posted by: Murrican Ninja War Eeyore at May 19, 2020 12:29 PM (xptlg)

7 Now I've got that "Sunshine" song stuck in my head...

Posted by: Chris M at May 19, 2020 12:29 PM (eAZVt)

8 Off to read the content. Morning boss.

Posted by: thathalfrican - Clark Kent with the glasses off at May 19, 2020 12:29 PM (IYHxL)

9 My guess is this sudden realization is due to the Tara Reade accusations against Joe Biden and nothing more.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 19, 2020 12:31 PM (j3npP)

10 The FNM was corrupted when they decided to smother ANY story that made their historic first black Preezy look less than perfect, as well as carefully crafting interviews and stories to prop him up.

Making up lies to try to bring down orangeManbad is just a continuation of the corruption IMO.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at May 19, 2020 12:31 PM (T9Hmo)

11 Ace is back in the time machine?! Sweet!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 19, 2020 12:32 PM (9CkBG)

12 Resistance journalism has been going on for a long time. Its just now they are exposed because they cannot stop using Twitter or being hypocritical.

Posted by: SH at May 19, 2020 12:32 PM (sX1BW)

13 Remind me, was Ben Smith the guy who published the Russia dossier in full on Buzzfeed?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 12:32 PM (LvTSG)

14 10 The FNM was corrupted when they decided to smother ANY story that made their historic first black Preezy look less than perfect, as well as carefully crafting interviews and stories to prop him up.

Making up lies to try to bring down orangeManbad is just a continuation of the corruption IMO.
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at May 19, 2020 12:31 PM (T9Hmo)

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How about when they went after Nixon for things they knew LBJ had done but had ignored?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 12:32 PM (LvTSG)

15 EVER SINCE DONALD TRUMP WAS ELECTED, and one could argue even in the
months leading up to his election, journalistic standards have been
consciously jettisoned when it comes to reporting on public figures
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Oh - it just started in 2016?

Ok.

Posted by: SH at May 19, 2020 12:33 PM (sX1BW)

16 Smith attacks "resistance journalism" as being a wholly corrupt enterprise which not only violates all norms of journalism and rigor, but which praises itself for dispensing of such restraints when seeking to attack... well, let's face it: OrangeManBad.

So?
It's just another day for gods and the typesetters.

Posted by: W.R. Hearst at May 19, 2020 12:33 PM (QxGJc)

17 Remind me, was Ben Smith the guy who published the Russia dossier in full on Buzzfeed?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 12:32 PM (LvTSG)

Nah, it was that other Ben Smith.

Posted by: BignJames at May 19, 2020 12:33 PM (X/Pw5)

18 Ben Smith ought to know about corrupting journalism, all right.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 19, 2020 12:33 PM (l4C/z)

19 Executive summary: the media are onanistic, self-glorifying, incompetent liars.

Posted by: pep at May 19, 2020 12:34 PM (T6t7i)

20 i'd think it was before "resistance" anything came into vogue, but either way. HA HA

Posted by: SturmToddler at May 19, 2020 12:34 PM (8D42x)

21 Not even close to first.

Sigh, content it is.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 19, 2020 12:34 PM (WEBkv)

22 Ben Smith (formerly boss at Buzzfeed) has his own penance to make regarding pushing the conspiracy narrative.

Posted by: Darrell Harris at May 19, 2020 12:34 PM (iuFgi)

23 The "media" has become Drudge on steroids

Posted by: It's me donna at May 19, 2020 12:34 PM (Zmnko)

24 21
Sigh, content it is.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 19, 2020 12:34 PM (WEBkv)

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I don't understand this sentence.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 12:34 PM (LvTSG)

25 Took them long enough to notice.

Posted by: Catherine at May 19, 2020 12:35 PM (+MFxJ)

26 We will have a just reckoning ... in this life or the next!

Posted by: ShainS at May 19, 2020 12:35 PM (WqPYg)

27 It isn't new to Trump.

It started when Journalists bought into the notion that they were somehow brave heroes "speaking truth to power".

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at May 19, 2020 12:35 PM (wCmLp)

28 All this is true, but both the NYT and Buzzfeed attacked Farrow on the same day so he definitely is seen as a threat to Democrats somehow.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 19, 2020 12:35 PM (6XLoz)

29 Did this thread hit 88 mph?

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at May 19, 2020 12:35 PM (k/TB6)

30 Ben Smith wrote this? Buzzfeed Ben himself? Well, slap my ass and call me Susan.

Posted by: radar at May 19, 2020 12:35 PM (BySB9)

31 So let's give them all Pulitzers!

Posted by: It's me donna at May 19, 2020 12:35 PM (Zmnko)

32 10
The FNM was corrupted when they decided to smother ANY story that made
their historic first black Preezy look less than perfect, as well as
carefully crafting interviews and stories to prop him up.

Making up lies to try to bring down orangeManbad is just a continuation of the corruption IMO.

It's not that they weren't doing what they're doing now before, it's that they used to be more circumspect about it. Once they did what they did for Obama, there were no more stops and they went straight to 11.

Posted by: pep at May 19, 2020 12:35 PM (T6t7i)

33 >>Remind me, was Ben Smith the guy who published the Russia dossier in full on Buzzfeed?

Yes. But it sure didn't turn out the way he thought it would.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 19, 2020 12:36 PM (ZLI7S)

34 Ben Smith ought to know about corrupting journalism, all right.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 19, 2020 12:33 PM (l4C/z)

Exactly. Is he trying to join Greenwald and Taibbi on the get out of Dodge before it explodes bandwagon?

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 19, 2020 12:36 PM (y7DUB)

35
Um, wasn't Ben Smith #metoo'd a couple of years ago?

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at May 19, 2020 12:36 PM (+ikQy)

36 Two words: Murder Hornets

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 19, 2020 12:36 PM (+y/Ru)

37
Making up lies to try to bring down orangeManbad is just a continuation of the corruption IMO.
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at May 19, 2020 12:31 PM (T9Hmo)

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If you missed Cavuto, I consistently do, PDT's twitter has selected clips. And some commentary. iirc

Posted by: W.R. Hearst at May 19, 2020 12:36 PM (QxGJc)

38 Listen, with the exception of a handful or real journalists, most of them hot chicks by the way, journalism is deader than Dillinger.

It's a phantasm, a figment of the fevered minds of a dying profession: Rosebud.

By any other name.

Nothing left but jock sniffers and apparatchiks.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 19, 2020 12:36 PM (T+XCu)

39 And partisan hacks are partisan hacks. Hell, I'm mostly a partisan hack. But I at least have the stones and honesty to admit it upfront.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 19, 2020 12:36 PM (9CkBG)

40 Um, is this the same Ben Smith that was part of Journalist and that fairly consistently provides cover and/or spin for pretty much anything left, liberal or Democrat?

And also, this type of journalism is not new. It started a while back and there's also the reverse of this where by they force feed some tidbit of saccharine about their favorite person in the political realm to make sure that the other side knows they are being ignored, disdained and smirked at. Like the 24/7 slobbering over Obama and Michelle for 8 g-ddamn years. *gag spit*

Ben you were a part of all that and probably still are but you want to cover that up just like a cat scratches the dirt on it's poop to pretend it's not there anymore and anyway they didn't do it.

Posted by: jakee308 at May 19, 2020 12:37 PM (hX7UI)

41 until there are real consequences for being wrong, they will just continue to be wrong.

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at May 19, 2020 12:37 PM (RKQ/v)

42 Glenn Greenwald himself is a big example of biased-to-the-point-it-isn't-journalism. Every week or two I get an appeal from The Intercept for funds, and the headlines that come with them are so ridiculous that I've never been tempted to give.

Posted by: jdgalt at May 19, 2020 12:37 PM (3SFo/)

43 Standing by for a little Afternoon Delight here.

Posted by: Starlight Vocal Band at May 19, 2020 12:37 PM (DMUuz)

44 33 >>Remind me, was Ben Smith the guy who published the Russia dossier in full on Buzzfeed?

Yes. But it sure didn't turn out the way he thought it would.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 19, 2020 12:36 PM (ZLI7S)

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I mean, it got rid of Trump and we've had Nancy as president for a few years, right?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 12:37 PM (LvTSG)

45 The media signaled its own demise when they started to self identify as Journalists, instead of reporters.

A Journal is a personal document full of feelings and interpretations. It describes how you view an event, how you feel about it. How you perceive it.

A Report is a factual document.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 19, 2020 12:37 PM (NgKpN)

46 Why did Ben Smith write this? Is he really trying to reform journalism and bring it back to reporting the facts without bias?

Or is he just trying to take out Ronan Farrow because lit the fuse that took out Weinstein and has now come to threaten the election of Joe Biden?

Has Ben Smith been known as an honest reporter? Or has he been known as a partisan hack who will push the democratic line in his writings?

Posted by: El Jefe at May 19, 2020 12:37 PM (Ae67h)

47 fuck the media
they are lying, grandstanding fucksticks who wouldn't last two weeks in a factory job. or a service job.
they are aggrandizing whores who suck each other's dicks and judge the rest of us with obvious contempt.

they can die in a fire.
coding is too good for them, and they probably couldn't figure it out anyway.

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 19, 2020 12:37 PM (d7Ww2)

48 I don't mind partisan hacks, the public ones. I know what bullshit they're peddling.

What I hate are those who assume the mantle of truth teller....even though they too are partisan hacks.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 19, 2020 12:38 PM (l4C/z)

49 How about when they went after Nixon for things they knew LBJ had done but had ignored?
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Dan Rather was a rather noted resistance journalist - wasn't he. Did he just start in 2016 or a few months before?

Posted by: SH at May 19, 2020 12:38 PM (sX1BW)

50 42 Glenn Greenwald himself is a big example of biased-to-the-point-it-isn't-journalism. Every week or two I get an appeal from The Intercept for funds, and the headlines that come with them are so ridiculous that I've never been tempted to give.
Posted by: jdgalt at May 19, 2020 12:37 PM (3SFo/)

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But he called Russian collusion bullshit for years.

It's because he's a Russian stooge, of course, but at least he got that right.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 12:38 PM (LvTSG)

51 Prior to this article, was Ben Smith himself a "Resistance" type journalist?

Honestly wondering.

Posted by: El Jefe at May 19, 2020 12:38 PM (Ae67h)

52 23 The "media" has become Drudge on steroids

Posted by: It's me donna at May 19, 2020 12:34 PM (Zmnko)

More like Drudge had become the "media".

Truth be told he's always been a bottom feeder though. On any given day going back to the beginning you could go to his site and see one over the top, bombastic, the world is ending link after another.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 19, 2020 12:39 PM (j3npP)

53 The press is very simply the propaganda engine of the Progressive movement. That basically means pro-Democrat, they are agents of the DNC, regardless of who pays their paycheck.

They can't die fast enough or ugly enough.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 19, 2020 12:39 PM (l4C/z)

54 51 Prior to this article, was Ben Smith himself a "Resistance" type journalist?

Honestly wondering.
Posted by: El Jefe at May 19, 2020 12:38 PM (Ae67h)

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It's almost like he's never studied leftist revolutions and what happens to those who start them.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 12:39 PM (LvTSG)

55 Actually ace, as is the case with much of this, you read the whole thing, and extracted the essence with great skill, as usual, so .... I might not read it.

I would say it's all vastly over-determined, but a better summary of the situation might be: these people aren't very smart or well informed, or honest, and their intended audience is the same.

Matter of degree, not kind - during the Bush era there was exactly the same collapse in standards and quality (among "journalists" and their consumers), it just wasn't as spectacular and jaw-dropping.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 19, 2020 12:39 PM (El6T/)

56 Tough to get through this when I see the boilerplate "But Trump is worse" language sprinkled in.

I'll try now to go back and finish it.

Posted by: McLurkerson at May 19, 2020 12:39 PM (XH/zt)

57

Correction: Glenn Thrush was #metoo'd, not Ben Smith.

I get my fake journalists mixed up a lot.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at May 19, 2020 12:39 PM (+ikQy)

58 Haven't read the Ben Smith piece yet -- does he eventually give cover to the Resistance Media in some way, such as "Trump made them do it, so they had to #Resist in order to save journalism?

I ask because Ben Smith's role has always been to pretend like he's speaking truth while actually giving cover. He was chief Obama explainer for 8 years, providing just the right angle for the rest of the MSM to both admit what they could not deny about Obama while also totally shrugging it off as unimportant anyway.

See urban dictionary for "Ben Smithing" coined by Breitbart's John Nolte.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 19, 2020 12:39 PM (bDqIh)

59 55 Actually ace, as is the case with much of this, you read the whole thing, and extracted the essence with great skill, as usual, so .... I might not read it.

I would say it's all vastly over-determined, but a better summary of the situation might be: these people aren't very smart or well informed, or honest, and their intended audience is the same.

Matter of degree, not kind - during the Bush era there was exactly the same collapse in standards and quality (among "journalists" and their consumers), it just wasn't as spectacular and jaw-dropping.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 19, 2020 12:39 PM (El6T/)

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One might say that they're all 27 year olds who don't know anything.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 12:40 PM (LvTSG)

60 They can't die fast enough or ugly enough.
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How about gay enough?

Posted by: SH at May 19, 2020 12:40 PM (sX1BW)

61 46
Why did Ben Smith write this? Is he really trying to reform journalism and bring it back to reporting the facts without bias?

No, he's just pretending that he's better than those "other guys". You know, the media's favorite pastime. Plus, a few of them are probably starting to understand that their whole profession is in mortal peril, and they want to set themselves apart.

Posted by: pep at May 19, 2020 12:40 PM (T6t7i)

62 : Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 19, 2020 12:33 PM (l4C/z)

Exactly. Is he trying to join Greenwald and Taibbi on the get out of Dodge before it explodes bandwagon?

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 19, 2020 12:36 PM (y7DUB)

Some are seeing the dawn of a new day.
CBS, once known as the Tiffany Network, hired Catherine Herridge. Why? CYA.

Posted by: W.R. Hearst at May 19, 2020 12:40 PM (QxGJc)

63 They're not talking to Us.

They're performing for Them.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at May 19, 2020 12:40 PM (WvQcX)

64 51 Prior to this article, was Ben Smith himself a "Resistance" type journalist?

Honestly wondering.
Posted by: El Jefe at May 19, 2020 12:38 PM (Ae67h)

Ben Smith is from Buzzfeed.

John Nolte from Brietbart used to use 'Ben Smithing' as a verb for dishonest and sleazy journalism.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 19, 2020 12:40 PM (l4C/z)

65 No one who ever listened to him on NPR had to wonder why Daniel Schorr was on Richard Nixon's shit-list.

Posted by: Zod at May 19, 2020 12:40 PM (qXNVo)

66 "conspiracies and dangerous untruths -- many pushed by President Trump"
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Please name these.
I won't hold you to the word "many," Ben.
But to justify the plurals, you need to give me at least two "conspiracies" and two "dangerous untruths."
I'm waiting.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 19, 2020 12:40 PM (M/9m0)

67 Plus, a few of them are probably starting to understand that their whole
profession is in mortal peril, and they want to set themselves apart.
You know, it's the "I Was Not a Nazi Polka".

Posted by: pep at May 19, 2020 12:41 PM (T6t7i)

68 >>I mean, it got rid of Trump and we've had Nancy as president for a few years, right?

It was actually worse for the Resistance than that.

The dossier was never supposed to be published. It was supposed to be kept under wraps so that resistance "journalists" could strategically leak pieces of it to build the narrative. Once Smith dumped it in full the twitter investigators went to work tearing it apart.

Tapper went after Smith for this very reason at the time. He said it something like the professional equivalent of stepping on his dick.

They have known all along that the dossier was fake, they still used it to try and take down a duly elected president. They are as corrupt as the Obama administration was.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 19, 2020 12:41 PM (ZLI7S)

69 What's the problem?

Posted by: Pulitzer Committee at May 19, 2020 12:41 PM (SJDa9)

70 In a dispute involving Glenn Greenwald, Ben Smith, and Ronan Farrow, I am rooting for casualties.

Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at May 19, 2020 12:41 PM (H5knJ)

71 60 They can't die fast enough or ugly enough.
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How about gay enough?
Posted by: SH at May 19, 2020 12:40 PM (sX1BW)

Gay or straight, so long as they die

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 19, 2020 12:41 PM (l4C/z)

72 Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at May 19, 2020 12:35 PM (k/TB6)

Yeah. Me too. When he started talking about Ben Smith criticizing the media my neck almost broke from the whiplash head twist I did.

Ben Smith INVENTED that type of media. He was at least at the center of it's start back with JOURNALIST. Remember that where they could brain storm and figure how they'd spin it and make sure they all said similar stuff?

He's only doing this to try and rehab himself now he's got a respectable job (hah!) with the NYT.

Posted by: jakee308 at May 19, 2020 12:41 PM (hX7UI)

73 Socking defeats it's purpose when one forgets to take it off.

Posted by: W.R. Hearst at May 19, 2020 12:41 PM (QxGJc)

74 When the burning times come the media will have alot to answer for.

Posted by: thathalfrican - Clark Kent with the glasses off at May 19, 2020 12:41 PM (IYHxL)

75 "Many pushed by President Trump" is a nice way of "they did it too" justification.

If I'm not mistaken, President Trump hasn't pushed "conspiracy theories" because, in his case, they aren't theories, but actual events that have happened.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 19, 2020 12:41 PM (WEBkv)

76 Advocacy journalism has existed in the MSM a lot longer than just 3 years ago.

The president of CNN used to give speeches at colleges in the 90's trying to justify it's prevalence.

The only difference now is they don't bother even hiding it anymore.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 19, 2020 12:41 PM (UdCe2)

77 Again

Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2020 12:42 PM (QxGJc)

78 69 What's the problem?
Posted by: Pulitzer Committee at May 19, 2020 12:41 PM (SJDa9)

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"Needs more dead bodies to ignore."
-Pulitzer subcommittee on Standards

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 12:42 PM (LvTSG)

79
All this talk of Resistance Journalism is kinda racist.

Posted by: Soledad O'Brien at May 19, 2020 12:42 PM (rQ/Vt)

80 Kill corporate media. Kill it dead.

Kill it first, because without it, leftist pols and deep staters lose most of their power.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 19, 2020 12:42 PM (hku12)

81 >>>Actually ace, as is the case with much of this, you read the whole thing, and extracted the essence with great skill, as usual, so .... I might not read it.

well yeah but it's bad form to lift the best parts of a piece and then say, "Don't bother reading the rest of it, I just gave you the parts worth your time."

Posted by: ace at May 19, 2020 12:42 PM (PbpT7)

82 45 The media signaled its own demise when they started to self identify as Journalists, instead of reporters.

A Journal is a personal document full of feelings and interpretations. It describes how you view an event, how you feel about it. How you perceive it.

A Report is a factual document.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 19, 2020 12:37 PM (NgKpN)

*******

I don't know if this is factually true, but emotionally...I 100% agree with it.

Clark Kent was a reporter. So was Lois Lane.

Journalists... God I hate what Journalism is. And the people involved with it.

Posted by: El Jefe at May 19, 2020 12:42 PM (Ae67h)

83 81 >>>Actually ace, as is the case with much of this, you read the whole thing, and extracted the essence with great skill, as usual, so .... I might not read it.

well yeah but it's bad form to lift the best parts of a piece and then say, "Don't bother reading the rest of it, I just gave you the parts worth your time."
Posted by: ace at May 19, 2020 12:42 PM (PbpT7)

==========

Retort:

It's Ben Smith.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 12:43 PM (LvTSG)

84
"EVER SINCE DONALD TRUMP WAS ELECTED, and one could argue even in the months leading up to his election, journalistic standards have been consciously jettisoned when it comes to reporting on public figures..."

What a load of HORSESHIT.
"Journalistic" "standards" have been a joke since I can remember; way before Trump.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at May 19, 2020 12:43 PM (+ikQy)

85 34 Ben Smith ought to know about corrupting journalism, all right.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 19, 2020 12:33 PM (l4C/z)

Exactly. Is he trying to join Greenwald and Taibbi on the get out of Dodge before it explodes bandwagon?
Posted by: Captain Hate at May 19, 2020 12:36 PM (y7DUB)

Maybe some CYA there, but he's probably trying to preen for a new job

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 19, 2020 12:43 PM (l4C/z)

86 well yeah but it's bad form to lift the best parts
of a piece and then say, "Don't bother reading the rest of it, I just
gave you the parts worth your time."

Posted by: ace

---------
The smart journalist knows how to lift the whole piece and repackage it as your own.

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at May 19, 2020 12:44 PM (sX1BW)

87 >>Ask AllahPundit directly if the conspiracy theories he's pushed for three and half years were conspiracy theories. Ask Jake Tapper. Ask Brian Stelter. Ask David French.
They'll evade the question.
The point at which a conspiracy theory turns into a capital-letters Conspiracy Theory is when its adherents start scoffing at demands for evidence as if that's dirty pool.
- - - -

It's a Narrative produced by people who 'tell stories' and 'put the news in context' for you. provide easily digestible "explainers."

I think this inability to admit they've been dealing in conspiracy theories is because they do this with all stories - it's never about relating the story and facts as is, it's about the story/narrative they've developed for their audience.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 19, 2020 12:44 PM (bDqIh)

88 I must say, that Maddow fellow above seems distressed.
Concerned even.

Posted by: Winston, dreg of society at May 19, 2020 12:44 PM (d9Irc)

89 84
"EVER SINCE DONALD TRUMP WAS ELECTED, and one could argue even in the months leading up to his election, journalistic standards have been consciously jettisoned when it comes to reporting on public figures..."

What a load of HORSESHIT.
"Journalistic" "standards" have been a joke since I can remember; way before Trump.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at May 19, 2020 12:43 PM (+ikQy)

========

One interesting thing about The Post, the movie about WaPo's minor part in the Pentagon Papers (made to prop up Hillary Clinton because strong female nonsense) is that there are characters outright admitting that they hid stories about JFK that would damage him and that they did it because they liked him.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 12:44 PM (LvTSG)

90 Tired one-note but it's true.

The idiocy of all this "RUSSIA!" crap reflects equally on the "journalists" pushing it AND the audience it's aimed at.

This is Space Aliens and Lyndon LaRouche-level crazy nonsense, that is now literally taken seriously by not just "journalists" but much of their audience, and I'm talking the dumbed-down Beltway/Bos-Wash anchor around the world's neck.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 19, 2020 12:44 PM (El6T/)

91 "'Journalistic' 'standards' have been a joke since I can remember; way before Trump."

They had a lot more people fooled back then. Dan Rather was a serious person.

Posted by: Chris M at May 19, 2020 12:44 PM (eAZVt)

92 10 The FNM was corrupted when they decided to smother ANY story that made their historic first black Preezy look less than perfect, as well as carefully crafting interviews and stories to prop him up.

Making up lies to try to bring down orangeManbad is just a continuation of the corruption IMO.
Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at May 19, 2020 12:31 PM (T9Hmo)
-----------------------------------------------
Yes. The overt partisanship, the movement from simple bias to fully unapologetic propaganda really began in 2008.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 19, 2020 12:44 PM (M/9m0)

93 Did this really start with Trump, though? I think the masks are fully off now that they're actively being called out, challenged and exposed on their lies and bullshit narrative. The MSM has been a malignant collective long before Trump took office.

I'm convinced that most, if not all, of the 'elite' press is in large part made up of personality disordered assholes with very little connection to reality and other human beings in general.

Posted by: TidePodNation at May 19, 2020 12:45 PM (TBe7S)

94 Funny he didn't include the "supposed" conspiracy theroies Trump has dropped that were untrue...

Posted by: It's me donna at May 19, 2020 12:45 PM (Zmnko)

95 well yeah but it's bad form to lift the best parts of a piece and then say, "Don't bother reading the rest of it, I just gave you the parts worth your time."

Posted by: ace at May 19, 2020 12:42 PM (PbpT7)

......I've always just assumed that was the case. At least when you're linking to MSM.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 19, 2020 12:45 PM (9CkBG)

96 >>74
When the burning times come the media will have alot to answer for. Posted by: thathalfrican - Clark Kent with the glasses off at May 19, 2020 12:41 PM (IYHxL)

Conceptually yes, but this colander facemask-wearing End-Timer doesn't intend to have the time or patience for much bleating and rationale...

"But wait...we felt it was our job to..."

(rifle-butt to temple)

"Your job is to get on the bus, simp."

Posted by: Zod at May 19, 2020 12:45 PM (qXNVo)

97 Ronan Farrow -- Hero or Zero.

In his defense, he seems to be a bit more concerned with actual facts than the average CNN pundit, to the point that some of his reporting has been buried by TPTB.

But whether he is a White Hat is definitely still an open question.

Sometimes, in these confusing times, an ultra lib like Greenwald might be seen as the more objective reporter.

An actual accusation that one is Jen Rubining a storyline would erase all doubt.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 19, 2020 12:45 PM (Z4rgH)

98 @84

All you have to do is look at what W.T. Sherman said about reporters back in his day to know reporters have been shit forever.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 19, 2020 12:45 PM (T+XCu)

99 O/T: Headline over at ZeroHedge (JackStraw happiest hit) --

Phone Calls Between Biden And Ukraine's Poroshenko Leaked; Details $1 Billion "Quid Pro Quo" To Fire Burisma Prosecutor

Posted by: ShainS at May 19, 2020 12:45 PM (WqPYg)

100 Audio has apparently leaked from Ukraine, phone conversations between Biden and former Ukraine president that detail the quid pro Joe.

YouTube link on Zerohedge.

#BelieveAllWhistleblowers

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at May 19, 2020 12:45 PM (Vjw6S)

101 ...
What a load of HORSESHIT.
"Journalistic" "standards" have been a joke since I can remember; way before Trump.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at May 19, 2020 12:43 PM (+ikQy)

You give me the pictures and I'll give you the war.
_W.R.H.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2020 12:45 PM (QxGJc)

102 The media's been corrupt forever.

The Trump Era has just made it open and approved.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 19, 2020 12:45 PM (oVJmc)

103 "'Journalistic' 'standards' have been a joke since I can remember; way before Trump."

They had a lot more people fooled back then.

And so was "Walter" and all the rest...there just was no FOX ( early days FOX) and internet to fact check and counter them.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 19, 2020 12:46 PM (85Gof)

104
The only thing that has really changed in the last 5 years is the Fake News making of their fake news about Themselves.

Think about it. 95% of the "news" today is about Fake News reporting fake news.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at May 19, 2020 12:46 PM (Lc/Nw)

105 The smart journalist knows how to lift the whole piece and repackage it as your own.

Posted by: Jonah Goldberg at May 19, 2020 12:44 PM (sX1BW)

I'm a journalist!

Posted by: Amy Schumer at May 19, 2020 12:46 PM (H5knJ)

106 They had a lot more people fooled back then. Dan Rather was a serious person.

Yup, Dan was as serious as an ostrich wearing cowboy boots at an Arkansas Macy's Parade.

Posted by: pep at May 19, 2020 12:46 PM (T6t7i)

107
Resistance Journalism? Never heard of it!

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at May 19, 2020 12:46 PM (rQ/Vt)

108 Advocacy journalism has existed in the MSM a lot longer than just 3 years ago.

The president of CNN used to give speeches at colleges in the 90's trying to justify it's prevalence.

The only difference now is they don't bother even hiding it anymore.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 19, 2020 12:41 PM (UdCe2)

The difference is now they CAN'T hide it anymore.

The only reason MOST of us know they're full of shite is because there are alternate sources of info that are freely disseminated.

That they can't control that is causing many of them to become more shrill, to flail and scream, like a dying priss, having a tantrum more than anything else.

Posted by: BurtTC at May 19, 2020 12:46 PM (hku12)

109 Audio has apparently leaked from Ukraine, phone conversations between
Biden and former Ukraine president that detail the quid pro Joe.

-----------
"That's a god-damn lie man, and you are a god-damn liar!"

Posted by: Joe Biden at May 19, 2020 12:46 PM (sX1BW)

110 Dan Rather *STILL* stands by his smear job of W.

It's not a Trump phenomena.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 19, 2020 12:47 PM (oVJmc)

111 Of everything that they accused Trump, they themselves are actually guilty.

Posted by: Chris M at May 19, 2020 12:47 PM (eAZVt)

112 >>>91 "'Journalistic' 'standards' have been a joke since I can remember; way before Trump."

I agree but they're fucking insane now. They're just YOLO. We used to say, back in 2004, "They're not even pretending anymore," but how wrong we were. They were still pretending, if only barely.

Now they're literally just DNC propaganda 24/7.

Posted by: ace at May 19, 2020 12:47 PM (PbpT7)

113 108 The difference is now they CAN'T hide it anymore.

The only reason MOST of us know they're full of shite is because there are alternate sources of info that are freely disseminated.

That they can't control that is causing many of them to become more shrill, to flail and scream, like a dying priss, having a tantrum more than anything else.
Posted by: BurtTC at May 19, 2020 12:46 PM (hku12)

==========

Also Twitter.

So many stupid journalists signalling how much they hate America, Americans, and the West in general doesn't help.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 12:47 PM (LvTSG)

114 @108

I think Pris only has one s not two.

But that's not important right now.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 19, 2020 12:48 PM (T+XCu)

115 What a load of HORSESHIT.

"Journalistic" "standards" have been a joke since I can remember; way before Trump.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at May 19, 2020 12:43 PM (+ikQy)

William Randolph Hurst, maybe?

Posted by: Roland THTG at May 19, 2020 12:48 PM (88+cf)

116 Did Ace like the movie?

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, Texas at May 19, 2020 12:48 PM (SRRAx)

117 Well, looks like this is giving me some well timed information for when I have to advise my kids.

My parents insisted on intellectual honesty, hard work, the avoidance of being self-promoting, and in general just do the best I could.

Looks like that's all a bunch of horseshit.

Lie, cheat, steal, shift blame, backstab, and work cynically. That's the new pathway to success.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, back to no one giving a damn. at May 19, 2020 12:48 PM (C+We0)

118 Journalism started down this slippery slope to hell years ago when those in High School during Watergate decided they wanted to "make a difference" and went into Journalism to do so.

Sadly for them "make a difference" meant to try and bring down some icon or other mostly political ones but a celebrity would do. Gotcha journalism. Spinning facts. Arguing at press conferences instead of asking questions.

They all were striving for the one big story where they would make their name and never have to really work again. Sell books full of crap and be praised and lauded during top billed appearances on news programs and other outlets of punditry.

Posted by: jakee308 at May 19, 2020 12:48 PM (hX7UI)

119 "...the loudest voices..."

Editorial standards are...flexible. Submissions can come from anywhere. Stories frequently get basic facts wrong. And the only thing their articles are good for is a starting point for finding the truth on your own.

They decided to become the Wikimedia.

Posted by: McLurkerson at May 19, 2020 12:48 PM (XH/zt)

120 All of these would-be journalists cut their teeth on Woodward and Bernstein. Every last one of these assholes believes he/she is going to break the next block-buster story. Their rigid doctrinaire world view has caused them to ignore the biggest story of corruption---Obamagate---in this country's history. A pox upon them all.

Posted by: Old Dude at May 19, 2020 12:48 PM (LGXGf)

121 >>Phone Calls Between Biden And Ukraine's Poroshenko Leaked; Details $1 Billion "Quid Pro Quo" To Fire Burisma Prosecutor

Huh, Ukraine.

Who knew?

Posted by: JackStraw at May 19, 2020 12:48 PM (ZLI7S)

122 "You furnish the pictures and I'll furnish the war," has been enshrined as the raison d'etre of modern media.

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at May 19, 2020 12:48 PM (RKQ/v)

123
My friends, we can work with these good people, the Resistance Journalists.

Posted by: Zombie John McCain at May 19, 2020 12:48 PM (rQ/Vt)

124
Why did Ben Smith write this? Is he really trying to reform journalism and bring it back to reporting the facts without bias?

Or is he just trying to take out Ronan Farrow because lit the fuse that took out Weinstein and has now come to threaten the election of Joe Biden?

Posted by: El Jefe at May 19, 2020 12:37 PM (Ae67h)

My money is on Smith being quietly informed about Farrow's latest target for a #MeToo, and trying to discredit Mia's kid before he makes it public.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 19, 2020 12:49 PM (EGyGV)

125 Now that Trump/Russia is collapsing, those that pushed it will not pay a price, AND will move on to the next assault on Liberty (and hence on Trump and Trump voters).

So Brave of a few leftists to now denounce the Trump/Russia Hoax, as they back the total WesternCiv shutdown on behalf of PlanDemic. Even if a dozen get indicted, it would seemed the Russia Hoax was successful, as is the shutdown of private enterprise in the new phase.

Phase one ... Trump/Russia dossier

Phase Two ... Impeachment (instantly after Mueller finished)

Phase Three ... Virus Shutdown ... economic punishment to private enterprise, Amazon/WalMart business booms, hairdressers tormented. Wait for the Fauci/Gates vaccine regimen and total life tracking/surveillance ... for your own good, we are all in this together.

Elections don't seem to slow them down very much.

Posted by: illiniwek at May 19, 2020 12:49 PM (Cus5s)

126 Maybe Greenwald ( and Taibbi) are sincere and honest journalists. But maybe they were against the Russian Hoax and it's detrimental impact on journalism because they both seem to be Russophiles.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2020 12:49 PM (CqE5x)

127 Nothing that ten thousand layoffs in media wouldn't solve... or at least put us on the road solve town.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 19, 2020 12:49 PM (pw+jk)

128 But to justify the plurals, you need to give me at least two "conspiracies" and two "dangerous untruths."
I'm waiting.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 19, 2020 12:40 PM (M/9m0)

The media hasn't even "debunked" the notion that for someone born as an American, Barack Hussein has a very interesting pattern of moving as a child. Mixed race kid growing up in Hawaii and Indonesia... who wanted nothing to do with them when he grew up? Yeah, something was up.

And that's putting aside the fact that Trump's primary accusation of a wide ranging surveillance against his administration was 100% true. I'm astonished he could keep staff on now, given the exposure most of his people would face.

Posted by: trev006 at May 19, 2020 12:49 PM (49Hsx)

129 Also Twitter.

So many stupid journalists signalling how much they hate America, Americans, and the West in general doesn't help.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 12:47 PM (LvTSG)
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Twitter also drives the stories DNC stenographers, I mean, "journalists" report on.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 19, 2020 12:49 PM (WEBkv)

130 Do Leftists ever face consequences in a country in which they control the media, the schools, big tech, the deep state and a lot of the courts?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 19, 2020 12:49 PM (r+sAi)

131 Audio has apparently leaked from Ukraine, phone conversations between Biden and former Ukraine president that detail the quid pro Joe.

And Kerry as Joe's wingman.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 19, 2020 12:49 PM (oVJmc)

132 Wasn't being critical, ace, not a bit.

I'm a bad customer for this kind of piece.

Actually saw the beast up close, and from the inside, over a few decades. As bad as things were, they're unrecognizably, irretrievably bad now.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 19, 2020 12:49 PM (El6T/)

133 126 Maybe Greenwald ( and Taibbi) are sincere and honest journalists. But maybe they were against the Russian Hoax and it's detrimental impact on journalism because they both seem to be Russophiles.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2020 12:49 PM (CqE5x)

=========

Personally, I prefer the term "Russian stooge."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 12:49 PM (LvTSG)

134 Rachel Maddow is a handsome lad, no doubt. Does Xhe know that wood and wood stoves provide heat in hard times?

Posted by: Fritz at May 19, 2020 12:50 PM (95j/9)

135 100 Audio has apparently leaked from Ukraine, phone conversations between Biden and former Ukraine president that detail the quid pro Joe.

YouTube link on Zerohedge.

#BelieveAllWhistleblowers
Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at May 19, 2020 12:45 PM (Vjw6S)

Just listened to it. Based on the sound quality of the Kerry part, it sounds like it was recorded from the Ukraine side.

Second part with Biden on it sounds like it was recorded from our side, because of the aide telling Biden they were now connected.

So, interesting to put it mildly.

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 19, 2020 12:50 PM (NgKpN)

136 The media's been corrupt forever.

The Trump Era has just made it open and approved.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 19, 2020 12:45 PM (oVJmc)

And encouraged and rewarded

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2020 12:50 PM (CqE5x)

137 The Ukraine call sounds like it was recorded at the Uke end.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 19, 2020 12:50 PM (oVJmc)

138 Looks like I need to advise my kids to follow the Al Swearengen model for their adult lives.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, back to no one giving a damn. at May 19, 2020 12:51 PM (C+We0)

139 >>Did this really start with Trump, though? I think the masks are fully off now that they're actively being called out, challenged and exposed on their lies and bullshit narrative. The MSM has been a malignant collective long before Trump took office.

LOL, right?

No, it did not start with Trump. This same press via JournoList helped create the myth of Obama by coordinating to hide and denounce any inconvenient info about his past from getting reported in 2008, and they kept on covering. Back then it was Palace Guard media instead of #Resistence, but two sides of the same coin.

And they resisted GWBush for 8 years before that, and protected the Clintons before that. . .

Posted by: Lizzy at May 19, 2020 12:51 PM (bDqIh)

140 129

Twitter also drives the stories DNC stenographers, I mean, "journalists" report on.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 19, 2020 12:49 PM (WEBkv)

Which is why I won't watch local news channels either. They report social media posts as news.The TV stations in/around Albany, NY are rife with this BS.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 19, 2020 12:51 PM (N39Ws)

141 @120

What could be a bigger blockbuster story than a modern day coup detat against a sitting President?

Instead they acted as partners and apparatchiks and they gave themselves Pulitzer's for literal lies.

Posted by: Thomas Bender at May 19, 2020 12:51 PM (T+XCu)

142 One does not simply think that just because Obama is out of office that those 27 year old kids that think they are reporters ever stopped taking the story thet his people force fed them?

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 19, 2020 12:51 PM (pw+jk)

143 139 LOL, right?

No, it did not start with Trump. This same press via JournoList helped create the myth of Obama by coordinating to hide and denounce any inconvenient info about his past from getting reported in 2008, and they kept on covering. Back then it was Palace Guard media instead of #Resistence, but two sides of the same coin.

And they resisted GWBush for 8 years before that, and protected the Clintons before that. . .
Posted by: Lizzy at May 19, 2020 12:51 PM (bDqIh)

==========

But they were totally unbiased about JFK, right?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 12:51 PM (LvTSG)

144 What could be a bigger blockbuster story than a modern day coup detat against a sitting President?

Instead they acted as partners and apparatchiks and they gave themselves Pulitzer's for literal lies

But, but.. It was for the good of the Country because Trump is dangerous!

Posted by: It's me donna at May 19, 2020 12:52 PM (Zmnko)

145 Personally, I prefer the term "Russian stooge."
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 12:49 PM (LvTSG)

Sure. That works too.

I;m too young to be a cynic but I'm starting to believe everyone n Washington is either a Russian Stooge or a Chinese Asset.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2020 12:52 PM (CqE5x)

146 Who knew? <<<<<
Everybody.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at May 19, 2020 12:52 PM (r+sAi)

147 Rachel Maddow's hair sure smells nice.

Posted by: Joe Biden at May 19, 2020 12:52 PM (Ecqh2)

148 These resistance media assholes, including the ones on FOX and FBN have broken any possibility of trust with their audience.

They long for the heady days of sniffing Obama's ass while America is "in decline" , hoping that they will be selected as Mandarins by their Chinese paymasters in repayment for their Maoist propaganda and subservience.

This scamdemic was the nuclear solution to an unotherwise unbeatable Trump administration. They realized the death and destruction that would be unleashed but they pushed button.

The resistance media, Leftists, Democrats and ChiComs are basically a single entity at this point. There is no daylight between them.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - Have you reported in to your assigned Contact Tracer today? at May 19, 2020 12:52 PM (WvQcX)

149 Quid pro Joe.
Could this fool have picked a more high-profile shithole than Ukraine to shake down? That alone should disqualify him from serious consideration for any post requiring discretion or discernment.

Posted by: Zod at May 19, 2020 12:52 PM (yvnmY)

150 Hertz is going to declare bankruptcy?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 19, 2020 12:52 PM (85Gof)

151 I'm looking to hire a stamping press operator. Maybe a laid off journalist could clean that guy's toilet?

Posted by: Chris M at May 19, 2020 12:52 PM (eAZVt)

152 @120

What could be a bigger blockbuster story than a modern day coup detat against a sitting President?

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The minor break-in by two-bit players at the headquarters of a campaign so loathed they would go on to lose in the largest landslide in our country's history?

Posted by: SH at May 19, 2020 12:52 PM (sX1BW)

153 But they were totally unbiased about JFK, right?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 12:51 PM (LvTSG)
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You mean "Camelot" was just a media creation that bore no resemblance to reality?

Reeeeeeeeeeeeee

Posted by: Botox Karen at May 19, 2020 12:53 PM (WEBkv)

154 What could be a bigger blockbuster story than a modern day coup detat against a sitting President?

---------------------------------------------------------------------

They can't HANDLE the truth.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2020 12:53 PM (CqE5x)

155 Who knew?
Everybody.

Really.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 19, 2020 12:53 PM (ZLI7S)

156
Two words: plastic, turkey.

Two more words: grim milestone

quag, mire

Two more words: water, gate.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at May 19, 2020 12:53 PM (Lc/Nw)

157 My first question

why are you saying this now, Fag Ben ??

wutz the angle ?

Posted by: REDACTED at May 19, 2020 12:54 PM (UUUON)

158
Second part with Biden on it sounds like it was recorded from our side

Oh, it does seem like it changes sides.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 19, 2020 12:54 PM (oVJmc)

159 On this new Biden recording . It's really nothing new.. We all saw the tape where he admits to doing this very thing

Posted by: It's me donna at May 19, 2020 12:54 PM (Zmnko)

160 Also Twitter.

-

I've tried to read twitter and facebook recently. It's disturbing how many grown ups believe they're engaging in conversation by posting images from TV shows or movies with some sort of text overlaid at the bottom.

I get memes as a casual waste of time and amusement, but people apparently truly believe they are engaging in discussion with them.

God only knows what hotair must look like these days.

Posted by: Moron Robbie saw a man remove his mask to sneeze at May 19, 2020 12:54 PM (ADuZP)

161 I'm looking to hire a stamping press operator. Maybe a laid off journalist could clean that guy's toilet?
Posted by: Chris M at May 19, 2020 12:52 PM (eAZVt)
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Are you sure you're up to the hours of training it would take so the journalist would know which end of the toilet brush to hold?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 19, 2020 12:54 PM (WEBkv)

162 Smith emphasizes that conspiracy theories are commonly used not only by Trump and his movement

Seriously, what conspiracy theories is he talking about?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2020 12:54 PM (YqDXo)

163 >>Why did Ben Smith write this? Is he really trying to reform journalism and bring it back to reporting the facts without bias?

Or is he just trying to take out Ronan Farrow because lit the fuse that took out Weinstein and has now come to threaten the election of Joe Biden?
- - - -

Oh, that makes sense.

I don't trust Ben Smith at all.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 19, 2020 12:54 PM (bDqIh)

164 You mean "Camelot" was just a media creation that bore no resemblance to reality?

Reeeeeeeeeeeeee
Posted by: Botox Karen at May 19, 2020 12:53 PM (WEBkv

What until they find out that Kennedy was as much a Cold warrior as Nixon and that Kennedy was actually WEAKER on Civil Rights than Nixon.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2020 12:54 PM (CqE5x)

165 162 Smith emphasizes that conspiracy theories are commonly used not only by Trump and his movement

Seriously, what conspiracy theories is he talking about?
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2020 12:54 PM (YqDXo)

=========

That Obama's administration made up a pretext to illegally spy on the incoming Trump administration, abusing their powers in the FBI, DOJ, and FISA courts.

That's just crazy talk.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 12:55 PM (LvTSG)

166 164 You mean "Camelot" was just a media creation that bore no resemblance to reality?

Reeeeeeeeeeeeee
Posted by: Botox Karen

It's just a model

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 19, 2020 12:55 PM (d7Ww2)

167 166 164 You mean "Camelot" was just a media creation that bore no resemblance to reality?

Reeeeeeeeeeeeee
Posted by: Botox Karen

It's just a model
Posted by: nurse ratched at May 19, 2020 12:55 PM (d7Ww2)

==========

Silly place, it is.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 12:55 PM (LvTSG)

168 But he called Russian collusion bullshit for years.

It's because he's a Russian stooge, of course, but at least he got that right.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 12:38 PM (LvTSG)

Hey, who was sockpuppeting comments in their own articles way back when? Was it Greenwald or was he writing about someone else?

Anyone? Anyone? Buller?

Am I misremembering this?

Posted by: The Federal Reserve at May 19, 2020 12:55 PM (w+Ped)

169 Linda Graham is on this FISA stuff

#2years

Posted by: REDACTED at May 19, 2020 12:55 PM (UUUON)

170 lol. "Journalistic integrity" is an oxymoron. Despite the polls showing that most people wouldn't trust a journalist to walk their dog, they still persist.

At some point you have to believe this isn't just due to driven ignorance, but deliberate malpractice.

This isn't about a pursuit of the truth anymore. It's about pursuit of control and helping their masters in the Democrat Party, and their eunuchs in the nevertrump movement achieve it.

Posted by: Marcus T at May 19, 2020 12:56 PM (VpIIl)

171 166 164 You mean "Camelot" was just a media creation that bore no resemblance to reality?

No! It was as real as the original Camelot and King Arthur were!

Posted by: It's me donna at May 19, 2020 12:56 PM (Zmnko)

172 All of these would-be journalists cut their teeth on
Woodward and Bernstein. Every last one of these assholes believes
he/she is going to break the next block-buster story. Their rigid
doctrinaire world view has caused them to ignore the biggest story of
corruption---Obamagate---in this country's history. A pox upon them all.

Posted by: Old Dude at May 19, 2020 12:48 PM (LGXGf)

===
They had a huge story for 8 years, Obama was not legally qualified to be preezy. His fake life story, his homosexualness, his secret muzzieness,a his fake children, his terrible management of the economy and foreign affairs,...
But they worte nothing but puff pieces about the pretender in the whitehouse.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 19, 2020 12:56 PM (pw+jk)

173 >>That Obama's administration made up a pretext to illegally spy on the incoming Trump administration, abusing their powers in the FBI, DOJ, and FISA courts.

>>That's just crazy talk.

Small point but they actually made up an excuse for why they were spying on Trump. They started spying years ago.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 19, 2020 12:56 PM (ZLI7S)

174 161
I'm looking to hire a stamping press operator. Maybe a laid off journalist could clean that guy's toilet?

Posted by: Chris M at May 19, 2020 12:52 PM (eAZVt)

----------------

Are you sure you're up to the hours of training it would take so the
journalist would know which end of the toilet brush to hold?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 19, 2020 12:54 PM (WEBkv)

Why bother training them? Just sit back and watch them figure it out on their own. It would be very entertaining. And there are so many unemployed journalists now the talent pool is pretty wide (not talent deep).

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at May 19, 2020 12:56 PM (N39Ws)

175 "God only knows what hotair must look like these days."

My recent, small sampling seems to reveal the commenters making fun of/Taking AP to task over his ridiculous columns or quotings.

Posted by: McLurkerson at May 19, 2020 12:57 PM (XH/zt)

176 But they were totally unbiased about JFK, right?
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 12:51 PM (LvTSG)

C'mon, JFK made naval history: he was the skipper of the only PT boat to be run down by a warship in naval history.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2020 12:57 PM (YqDXo)

177 162
Smith emphasizes that conspiracy theories are commonly used not only by Trump and his movement

Seriously, what conspiracy theories is he talking about?

Circling the wagons to protect the One.

Posted by: pep at May 19, 2020 12:57 PM (T6t7i)

178 Somebody said recently something like, "All they do anymore is compete for outrage clicks from the far-left"

You point out how 97%+ of coverage of Trump is negative-- an insane amount by any rational measure.
And the response is, "he's just so horrible we're unable to cover him any other way. "

You'll never change that mind

Posted by: RoyalOil at May 19, 2020 12:57 PM (aO8Gd)

179 28 All this is true, but both the NYT and Buzzfeed attacked Farrow on the same day so he definitely is seen as a threat to Democrats somehow.
Posted by: Ian S. at May 19, 2020 12:35 PM (6XLoz)

---------------

Maybe they're finally getting panicked by the fact that most people distrust and dislike them.

Posted by: radar at May 19, 2020 12:57 PM (BySB9)

180 45 The media signaled its own demise when they started to self identify as Journalists, instead of reporters.

A Journal is a personal document full of feelings and interpretations. It describes how you view an event, how you feel about it. How you perceive it.

A Report is a factual document.
Posted by: Romeo13 at May 19, 2020 12:37 PM (NgKpN)
-------------------------------------

EXACTLY.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 19, 2020 12:57 PM (M/9m0)

181 Are you sure you're up to the hours of training it would take so the
journalist would know which end of the toilet brush to hold?

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 19, 2020 12:54 PM (WEBkv)

Pro tip: nobody tell him it's not a toothbrush.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2020 12:57 PM (YqDXo)

182 LOL sidebar.

"What attrracted him to your candidate?"

Karen: 'HE'S MENTALLY ILL!"

Now that's a self-pwn.

Posted by: Guy Smiley at May 19, 2020 12:58 PM (+7yf7)

183 Hertz has been talking about bankruptcy for a week or so. Cancelled 90 percent of their new car orders. With very little travel going on, they can't keep running.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 19, 2020 12:58 PM (Hcsoi)

184 149
Quid pro Joe.
Could this fool have picked a more high-profile
shithole than Ukraine to shake down? That alone should disqualify him
from serious consideration for any post requiring discretion or
discernment.

Posted by: Zod at May 19, 2020 12:52 PM (yvnmY)

Ukraine is the only one we know about so far. The big one for Biden, should the media choose to report it, is that Biden is responsible for excluding Chinese companies from Sarbanes-Oxley laws that every other foreign business must adhere to. Then a few months later Hunter starts a Chinese Investment firm that the Chinese Gov't soon put $1 Billion into. Hunter kept 10% as a fee.
Bet you never heard about that.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at May 19, 2020 12:58 PM (CQ3Qb)

185 ......And never letting on that Roosevelt was wheel chair ridden. And that he brought us out of the Depression, when, in fact, he extended it.

Posted by: Old Dude at May 19, 2020 12:58 PM (LGXGf)

186 >>>Hey, who was sockpuppeting comments in their own articles way back when? Was it Greenwald or was he writing about someone else?

Nah that was someone else entirely.

Posted by: "Thomas Ellison" at May 19, 2020 12:58 PM (PbpT7)

187 I didn't realize Ben Smith was the leader of the "Journolist"talking point list serve. I did read the article and was surprised to see it NOT mentioned as an example of Resistance journalism.

Reading the comments about all the lies ALL the Journalists have spewed just wears me down. Every once in awhile they have a story that is TRUTH (not propaganda) but the rest... (Like Weinstein for Farrow; Smith - the quoted article in the quoted article) It's like they need to publish a full disclaimer of their bias so you can intelligently read a piece...

Posted by: Iris at May 19, 2020 12:58 PM (lSFe/)

188
Biden's corruption in Ukraine and his extortion threat: Totally Routine

obama's corrupt unmaskings: Totally Routine

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at May 19, 2020 12:59 PM (Lc/Nw)

189 "God only knows what hotair must look like these days."

anything that resembles a leftist cock conspiracy theory

has got AP's lips wrapped around it.

Posted by: REDACTED at May 19, 2020 12:59 PM (UUUON)

190
They had a huge story for 8 years, Obama was not legally qualified to be preezy. His fake life story, his homosexualness, his secret muzzieness,a his fake children, his terrible management of the economy and foreign affairs,...
But they worte nothing but puff pieces about the pretender in the whitehouse.

Not interested in any of his story or documentation, but they sure as hell want to see Trump's tax returns.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 19, 2020 12:59 PM (oVJmc)

191 150 Hertz is going to declare bankruptcy?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 19, 2020 12:52 PM (85Gof)

They're amping up their campaign.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2020 12:59 PM (QxGJc)

192 The resistance media, Leftists, Democrats and ChiComs are basically a
single entity at this point. There is no daylight between them.

====
Put the muzzies in there and there ain't a dime's worth of difference between the four.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 19, 2020 12:59 PM (pw+jk)

193 I didn't realize Ben Smith was the leader of the "Journolist"talking point list serve.

WAsn't that Ezra Klein?

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 19, 2020 12:59 PM (oVJmc)

194 >>he definitely is seen as a threat to Democrats somehow.

Posted by: Ian S. at May 19, 2020 12:35 PM (6XLoz)

Their professed openmindedness about alternative sexual lifestyles notwithstanding, he's probably served as the party favor at more than one big-name soiree, and so has to be placated to keep his gob (more or less) shut.

Posted by: Zod at May 19, 2020 12:59 PM (qXNVo)

195 This started long ago, back in the Clinton administration when Dan Rather and his partner Connie Chung basically sucked Bill and Hillary off on national TV. It's only gotten worse since.

The press is supposed to be a watchdog for the American people. Instead it has become a junkyard dog for the Democrat Party, destroying anything that threatens that Party. This make them illegitimate. Take their licenses away.

Posted by: LGoPs the former boyscout who now shouts Broken Arrow!, Broken Arrow! at May 19, 2020 01:00 PM (qSQV7)

196
Two words: plastic, turkey.

Two more words: grim milestone

quag, mire

Two more words: water, gate.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile

Body bags

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at May 19, 2020 01:00 PM (aKsyK)

197 Small point but they actually made up an excuse for why they were spying on Trump. They started spying years ago.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 19, 2020 12:56 PM (ZLI7S)

--

Ahem. Maxine Waters, 2014:

"The President has put in place an organization with the kind of database that no one has ever seen before in life.
That’s going to be very, very powerful. That database will have information about everything on every individual on ways that it’s never been done before and whoever runs for President on the Democratic ticket has to deal with that. They’re going to go down with that database and the concerns of those people because they can’t get around it. And he’s [President Obama] been very smart. It’s very powerful what he’s leaving in place.”"

But Trump said pussy.

Posted by: Moron Robbie - only 1,000 healthcare workers worldwide have died from COVID-19 at May 19, 2020 01:00 PM (ADuZP)

198 Bet you never heard about that.
Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at May 19, 2020 12:58 PM (CQ3Qb)

I didn't know about the SARBO exemption for China. WTUF?1?!

Posted by: The Federal Reserve at May 19, 2020 01:00 PM (w+Ped)

199 >>But they were totally unbiased about JFK, right?

Exactly.
- - - -

>>Seriously, what conspiracy theories is he talking about?

Think of the charge as interchangeable with "Trump lies."

They said Trump touting HCQ's effectiveness was a conspiracy theory.

They said Trump saying Obama 'tapped' Trump Tower a conspiracy theory.

They said Trump blaming China for the Wuhan flue was a conspiracy theory.

In other words, disagreement with Trump = Trump is spouting lies and/or conspiracy theories.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 19, 2020 01:00 PM (bDqIh)

200 Ben is like a kid playing the parents

eyerolls are in order

Posted by: REDACTED at May 19, 2020 01:00 PM (UUUON)

201 That Obama's administration made up a pretext to illegally spy on the incoming Trump administration, abusing their powers in the FBI, DOJ, and FISA courts.

That's just crazy talk.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 12:55 PM (LvTSG)

Ah. Thanks.

That's a conspiracy theory? Well, I guess we'll find out when we investigate it, won't we?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2020 01:01 PM (YqDXo)

202 We all saw the tape where he admits to doing this very thing
Posted by: It's me donna at May 19, 2020 12:54 PM (Zmnko)

He didn't just admit it, he was BRAGGING about it as if he'd done something special and deserving of at least a slap on the back.

And yet somehow it has yet to be taken up by anybody. And I think Biden knew that's what would happen.
(who knows what he thinks or remembers now. He has definitely lost a lot of synapses and he didn't have many to spare)

Posted by: jakee308 at May 19, 2020 01:01 PM (hX7UI)

203 And the response is, "he's just so horrible we're unable to cover him any other way. "

You'll never change that mind
Posted by: RoyalOil at May 19, 2020 12:57 PM (aO8Gd)

That's what irks me. The Russian Hoax poisoned a lot of minds because they gave people who already didn't like Trump a reason to justify their hatred--"he's a Russian Spy!!"--and from there, everything else just flowed.

They will never give that up and I'll tell you something else--if something "bad" were to befall Trump physically, large swaths of this country would celebrate openly and lustily...and feel justified for doing so.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2020 01:01 PM (CqE5x)

204 Adding an adjective to a perfectly good word never ever works.

Justice We all want justice when our time comes and expect to offer justice also. Adding any other word in front of justice makes the word, the ideas, and the action worthless.

Journalism is the same. You either report the truth of the story or you are writing propaganda for the Pravda.

Posted by: rhennigantx dont californicate my TEXAS at May 19, 2020 01:02 PM (JFO2v)

205 193 I didn't realize Ben Smith was the leader of the "Journolist"talking point list serve.

WAsn't that Ezra Klein?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 19, 2020 12:59 PM (oVJmc)

they all look alike

though the gloryhole

Posted by: REDACTED at May 19, 2020 01:02 PM (UUUON)

206 ...JFK made naval history: he was the skipper of the only PT boat to be run down by a warship in naval history.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2020 12:57 PM (YqDXo)

Those Packards were hard to start.
Dead batteries.
Out of fuel.
It was dark.

Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2020 01:02 PM (QxGJc)

207 The press hated Nixon. It's not new.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 19, 2020 01:02 PM (oVJmc)

208 197 "The President has put in place an organization with the kind of database that no one has ever seen before in life.
That's going to be very, very powerful. That database will have information about everything on every individual on ways that it's never been done before and whoever runs for President on the Democratic ticket has to deal with that. They're going to go down with that database and the concerns of those people because they can't get around it. And he's [President Obama] been very smart. It's very powerful what he's leaving in place.""

But Trump said pussy.
Posted by: Moron Robbie - only 1,000 healthcare workers worldwide have died from COVID-19 at May 19, 2020 01:00 PM (ADuZP)

===========

"I'm very happy with Governor Cuomo's tone. It shows that he handled New York's coronavirus response well."
-NeverTrump smartset

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 01:02 PM (LvTSG)

209 "God only knows what hotair must look like these days."

My
recent, small sampling seems to reveal the commenters making fun
of/Taking AP to task over his ridiculous columns or quotings.

Posted by: McLurkerson at May 19, 2020 12:57 PM (XH/zt)

===
Then I might take a look see and help pile on that useless douche bag.

Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserious at May 19, 2020 01:03 PM (pw+jk)

210 News is what your editor says it is unless corrected by the owner.

Posted by: Puddi Head at May 19, 2020 01:03 PM (QZCjk)

211 Can't stand the media, and it makes me both sad and livid at the same time. The profession has (had) such profound importance, and now I don't think that trust can ever be regained. A vital role towards accountability has been squandered for a pittance, and we're all worse off for it. I'm devastated by the cost this will have down the road.

Posted by: Hillsdale Grad at May 19, 2020 01:03 PM (T3Je5)

212 >>>Nah that was someone else entirely.<<<

Nice to have you back, Thomas.

Posted by: Fritz at May 19, 2020 01:03 PM (95j/9)

213 Trumpentwatters very depressing.

Several "proud to announce" posts about a zillion $ being given to some of the worst money-burning-machines in some of the worst-run cities in America (Seattle, Portland, SF, DC) - public transit - to get them through the crisis.

Alternative idea: how about switching off the crisis?

One wonders whether anyone anywhere on Trump's team has devoted 2 minutes to actually examining the actual situation as it's developed, WRT the public health aspect. The WH task force was wrong, which is OK, at the outset, but continuing to be wrong now (gradual re-opening without any public health rationale that can be found) is not excusable.

Even FL and a few other places are going through part of the kabuki, presumably because the public is so scared and misinformed, still, but ...

Posted by: rhomboid at May 19, 2020 01:03 PM (El6T/)

214 Remember how Joe's excuse for getting the prosecutor fired was everyone wanted him canned including EU partners?

As I've been saying, they were in on it too.

@ClimateAudit

11/ the transaction was being done through Kolomoisky's Privatbank - both mentioned by Biden. According to Alexander Cockburn in Harper's in 2015, https://harpers.org/2015/08/undelivered-goods/...,
Kolomoisky and his partner had embezzled US$1.8 billion (!!) from IMF loans arranged by Biden et al.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 19, 2020 01:04 PM (ZLI7S)

215 A vital role towards accountability has been
squandered for a pittance, and we're all worse off for it. I'm
devastated by the cost this will have down the road.

Posted by: Hillsdale Grad at May 19, 2020 01:03 PM (T3Je5)***
At some point they just go all in and become The Ministry of Information.

Posted by: Old Dude at May 19, 2020 01:06 PM (LGXGf)

216 They had a huge story for 8 years, Obama was not legally qualified to be preezy. His fake life story, his homosexualness, his secret muzzieness,a his fake children.......
------------------------------------------------------------------

I don't how much of this is true, but if it is Trump KNOWS and always has.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2020 01:06 PM (CqE5x)

217 Good news, 'ettes! You can buy underwear emblazoned "Cuomo", "Fauci", and "Newsom".

https://bit.ly/2Zgo6Nj

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 19, 2020 01:06 PM (+y/Ru)

218
Anyone remember when Fake News used to tell us why they wouldn't cover certain stories? It was because Republicans "would only politicize it."

For instance, they couldn't cover a story because the Romney campaign would "seize it" and use it politically.

Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at May 19, 2020 01:07 PM (Lc/Nw)

219 Yes we are lying, but it is for the greater good. The Orangeman is bad, but we can't make you deplorables understand that unless we make stuff up to illustrate how bad he is.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy. COVID Free since 1975 at May 19, 2020 01:07 PM (dNzKv)

220 Pithy Ace, is best Ace.

Posted by: Heirloominati at May 19, 2020 01:07 PM (rqgqe)

221 JFK made naval history: he was the skipper of the only PT boat to be run down by a warship in naval history.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

My old man (A life-long card carrying Democrat And 20 year sailor) hated Kennedy for precisely this reason.

Posted by: Diogenes at May 19, 2020 01:07 PM (axyOa)

222 What happened for many years (by fluke or serendipity) is that the nature of journalism was such that the government was it's biggest target. Some reporters went after them all and some went after a particular faction but they all were targets.

Journalists were after powerful men both for what they could do for them but for what they would gain by bringing them down.

Then in the '70's more of them became part of one faction; the left. And since then they've made a religion out of denying conservatism and worshiping liberalism

They've been joined by Academia and of late Science and even business have been subsumed by this cult. Even Sports hasn't been able to keep separate.

And yet conservatism still exists and grows and the left is crazy insane over that fact alone. We're never supposed to win and we certainly are not supposed be fight back.

Posted by: jakee308 at May 19, 2020 01:08 PM (hX7UI)

223 ...Even FL and a few other places are going through part of the kabuki, presumably because the public is so scared and misinformed, still, but ...

Posted by: rhomboid at May 19, 2020 01:03 PM (El6T/)

reprise

Go Topless weekend, Crystal Beach, Tx
_a more perfect ratio

http://tinyurl.com/ycsrjysd
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ycsrjysd

Posted by: Braenyard at May 19, 2020 01:08 PM (QxGJc)

224 @ClimateAudit

13/ so the call between Biden and Poroshenko AFTER election, off record of State Dept, urging closure of a transaction involving Kolomoisky's Privatbank before Trump found out is a definite dig-here

Posted by: JackStraw at May 19, 2020 01:08 PM (ZLI7S)

225 211 Can't stand the media, and it makes me both sad and livid at the same time. The profession has (had) such profound importance, and now I don't think that trust can ever be regained. A vital role towards accountability has been squandered for a pittance, and we're all worse off for it. I'm devastated by the cost this will have down the road.
Posted by: Hillsdale Grad at May 19, 2020 01:03 PM (T3Je5)

It troubles me that I can't trust the media for anything, well maybe yesterday's sports scores. I think they could be biased, yet within the ballpark of trustworthy but they're not.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 19, 2020 01:08 PM (Uu+Jp)

226 217
Good news, 'ettes! You can buy underwear emblazoned "Cuomo", "Fauci", and "Newsom".

https://bit.ly/2Zgo6Nj

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at May 19, 2020 01:06 PM (+y/Ru)
Governor Cuomo and I have a very good relationship. The Governor uses very good aftershave.

Posted by: Joe Biden at May 19, 2020 01:08 PM (Ecqh2)

227
Good news, 'ettes! You can buy underwear emblazoned "Cuomo", "Fauci", and "Newsom".

MOMMY, I MADE A CUOMO!

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 19, 2020 01:09 PM (oVJmc)

228 Some of the hate towards Trump is that at one time he was an insider. Because of his big donor status he was allowed to see and hear of all the deals and shadiness that went on.

They let him in on that stuff so he'd feel a part of it and contribute.

They never expected him to be an opponent.

Posted by: jakee308 at May 19, 2020 01:10 PM (hX7UI)

229 And I hate the media, which bothers me because I spent much of my life in the industry.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 19, 2020 01:10 PM (Uu+Jp)

230 This whole stupid mess began when Woodward and Bernstein became celebrities. From that point forward, it wasn't about the story or facts, it was about MAKING IT personally. For those who are old enough, remember what television news guys used to look like? Now do a comparison to today.

We're going to have a realignment of damn near everything. Stripping this ignorant posers of influence is step one if we're going to win.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 19, 2020 01:11 PM (Boy/L)

231 They will never give that up and I'll tell you something else--if something "bad" were to befall Trump physically, large swaths of this country would celebrate openly and lustily...and feel justified for doing so.
Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2020 01:01 PM (CqE5x)

That's the difference between them and us. I hated Gaylord but did my best just to ignore the ignorant bastard and didn't berate his toadies with constant updates on what a miserable piece of shit he was. The NTs obsess on DJT constantly and can't resist telling me about it despite zero positive feedback.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 19, 2020 01:11 PM (y7DUB)

232 That's what irks me. The Russian Hoax poisoned a lot of minds because they gave people who already didn't like Trump a reason to justify their hatred--"he's a Russian Spy!!"

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2020 01:01 PM (CqE5x)

This from some of the same people who claim the Rosenbergs were framed.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2020 01:11 PM (YqDXo)

233 Speaking of French, here he is joining Douthat in lamenting how Drumpf didn't "exercise power" and that's bad b/c it was "needed" due to Chinese lung-AIDS.

https://tinyurl.com/y95ad3l3

Posted by: Thrawn at May 19, 2020 01:12 PM (usCq7)

234 233 Speaking of French, here he is joining Douthat in lamenting how Drumpf didn't "exercise power" and that's bad b/c it was "needed" due to Chinese lung-AIDS.

https://tinyurl.com/y95ad3l3

Posted by: Thrawn at May 19, 2020 01:12 PM (usCq7)

========

To be fair, David French probably is an outright fascist.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 01:12 PM (LvTSG)

235 Here's the audio of the Biden call: https://rb.gy/rsiy0t
Zerohedge has a partial transcript and the smoking gun(s).

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at May 19, 2020 12:21 PM (CQ3Qb)

Really fascinating.

Seems openly corrupt to me; $ 1 billion US for removing the non-corrupt prosecutor who is investigating Burisma and by extension, Biden's son and meal ticket, and who was recently elected , and then replacing him with a hand picked prosecutor and passing legislation (which I assume no longer allows the prosecutor to investigate and prosecute without some form of committee or approval?) all of which stops the corruption investigation in its tracks for good.

Accurate?

Posted by: LASue at May 19, 2020 01:13 PM (Ed8Zd)

236 C'mon, JFK made naval history: he was the skipper of the only PT boat to be run down by a warship in naval history.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2020 12:57 PM (YqDXo)

And in grade school we read about what a hero he was because of his actions after the collision. Brainwashing and revisionist history has been going on since at least the 1960's, and very likely much before that.

Posted by: moon_over_vermont at May 19, 2020 01:13 PM (Obdic)

237 And I hate the media, which bothers me because I spent much of my life in the industry.

Right there with you.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 19, 2020 01:13 PM (Boy/L)

238 This from some of the same people who claim the Rosenbergs were framed.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2020 01:11 PM (YqDXo)

Ethel was a fine looking woman.

Posted by: Joe Biden at May 19, 2020 01:13 PM (Ecqh2)

239 In case those tweets weren't clear Biden was working with Poreshenko to embezzle $1.8 billion, with a "b", of IMF loans to Ukraine and he was urging Poreshenko after the election to complete the transaction before Trump found out and he did so in an off the record call that was not part of the State Department record.

Seems like something a reporter might want to follow up on.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 19, 2020 01:13 PM (ZLI7S)

240 For those who are old enough, remember what television news guys used to look like?***
Yep, Huntley and Brinkley, if memory serves, I recall at least one of them had a cigarette going during the program.

Posted by: Old Dude at May 19, 2020 01:13 PM (LGXGf)

241
Admittedly, it's gotten worse under Trump.

But the shit Ben Smith! and Glenn Greenwald! are whining about have been industry-wide accepted norms for decades. Decades. And they both have made their own considerable contributions to the total corruption of their own industry.

This is surreal. It's like listening to Lucky Luciano and Al Capone decrying the evils of bootlegged alcohol and tax evasion.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 19, 2020 01:14 PM (h6CJG)

242 Anyway -- none of them has paid a price, none of them has even been made to answer the most basic questions about why they were so eager to push a conspiracy theory despite -- as the CNN chyron would say -- those conspiracy theories being WITHOUT EVIDENCE.

ATT and Comcast are so large that the cash flow impact of catastrophic failure at CNN or MSDNC will never be noticed. These media companies shelter the deranged left, people like Maddow and Todd, or Tapper and Tater. They seem immune from capitalism, and from creative destruction.

Hope that proves wrong. I'd love to see Todd trying to scratch out a living on a factory line, and Maddow responsible for milking cows at dawn. I don't think the CNN types are employable anywhere else, so I'd love to see them asking for dollar bills on Ninth Avenue, where the tunnel empties out.

Gotta have dreams!

Posted by: Huck Follywood, live from Pandemia at May 19, 2020 01:14 PM (NVYyb)

243 Brian Cates //Flynn & Breitbart's Army! @drawandstrike
11m
It's going to surface that Zelensky's gov't has **direct evidence** Biden was involved in corruption in their country.

Of course, Dems will furiously scream foul & say Zelensky's prosecutors only found this evidence & built this case BECAUSE TRUMP THREATENED HIM ON THE PHONE.

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 19, 2020 01:15 PM (XXmNE)

244 If you want to know who pays for this journalism just look to AT&T, Disney and Comcast. Not hard to figure out. They own all networks, cable, streaming, Hollywood, and publishing. Jeepers - we should probably call them Manhattan Media.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 19, 2020 01:15 PM (M7udi)

245 A thousand Rush Limbaughs will come out of the internet.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at May 19, 2020 01:15 PM (LxTcq)

246 That's what irks me. The Russian Hoax poisoned a lot of minds because they gave people who already didn't like Trump a reason to justify their hatred--"he's a Russian Spy!!"

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2020 01:01 PM (CqE5x)

This from some of the same people who claim the Rosenbergs were framed.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2020 01:11 PM (YqDXo)

Yes, the same type of person in the "intellectual" class.

But most of the people spouting Trump-hate on twitter and FB have never heard of the Rosenbergs or Hiss or any of that stuff.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2020 01:15 PM (CqE5x)

247 Yep, Huntley and Brinkley, if memory serves, I recall at least one of them had a cigarette going during the program.

I believe that's what killed Chet Huntley.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 19, 2020 01:15 PM (Boy/L)

248 Some of the hate towards Trump is that at one time he was an insider. Because of his big donor status he was allowed to see and hear of all the deals and shadiness that went on.

They let him in on that stuff so he'd feel a part of it and contribute.

They never expected him to be an opponent.
Posted by: jakee308 at May 19, 2020 01:10 PM (hX7UI)

And he shows them up by actually working and getting things done instead of making just enough minimal progress to ensure a 40 year career at the trough.

Posted by: LASue at May 19, 2020 01:15 PM (Ed8Zd)

249 >>236
C'mon, JFK made naval history: he was the skipper of the only PT boat to be run down by a warship in naval history.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2020 12:57 PM (YqDXo)
...and kept a model of a PT boat on his Oval Office desk. Perish the thought that he kept it there and, every time he looked at it, whispered to himself "for fuck's sake, don't get run over *again*."

Posted by: Zod at May 19, 2020 01:15 PM (qXNVo)

250 What conspiracy theories has Trump advocated?

I'm serious.

What conspiracy theories?

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 19, 2020 01:16 PM (GbPPJ)

251
"I'm very happy with Governor Cuomo's tone. It shows that he handled New York's coronavirus response well."

-NeverTrump smartset

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 01:02 PM (LvTSG)

You know who else had good tone. Those German Socialist Workers Party chaps. They also dressed very sharply. Very natty.

Posted by: Richard Head at May 19, 2020 01:16 PM (rQ/Vt)

252 It's like listening to Lucky Luciano and Al Capone decrying the evils of bootlegged alcohol and tax evasion.

Give credit where credit is due. Greenwald never bought the collusion line.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 19, 2020 01:16 PM (Boy/L)

253 251
"I'm very happy with Governor Cuomo's tone. It shows that he handled New York's coronavirus response well."

-NeverTrump smartset

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 01:02 PM (LvTSG)

You know who else had good tone. Those German Socialist Workers Party chaps. They also dressed very sharply. Very natty.
Posted by: Richard Head at May 19, 2020 01:16 PM (rQ/Vt)

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Very Boss.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 01:17 PM (LvTSG)

254
This didnt start with Trump. This started with W. Gitmo.... Blackwater ..... Valeri Plame . . . etc.. All fabricated or exaggerated. It continued with Barack.... although the excercise shifted to carrying water for the Obama Administration and flaking for the DNC and spiking ANYTHING critical of the Chocolate Messiah.

ORANGE MAN BAD just sent them off the rails and Social Media eggs the MFM on.

Posted by: fixerupper at May 19, 2020 01:17 PM (nw6Hr)

255 Brian Cates //Flynn & Breitbart's Army! @drawandstrike
11m
It's going to surface that Zelensky's gov't has **direct evidence** Biden was involved in corruption in their country.

Of course, Dems will furiously scream foul & say Zelensky's prosecutors only found this evidence & built this case BECAUSE TRUMP THREATENED HIM ON THE PHONE.
Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 19, 2020 01:15 PM (XXmNE)

More than the audio transcript?

The only thing missing on that is Biden talking openly about Hunter and payoffs other than the $1 billion.

Posted by: LASue at May 19, 2020 01:17 PM (Ed8Zd)

256 I suppose you could take this as a positive development. They journos were always lefties, but they pretended to be otherwise, which gave them more influence. Now that their proclivities are right out in the open, it seems like they have lost their influence, except with their fellow partisans, who already don't need to be convinced. This is shown by the fact that they continue to relentlessly attack Trump, and his approval ratings continue to rise.

Posted by: Caliban at May 19, 2020 01:17 PM (QE8X6)

257 Yeah. That's it Journolist. I knew I was spelling it wrong.

Ben wasn't the leader but he definitely was a thought leader when they all gathered in their digital cabal and changed their spells and mixed their potions.

And you can tell that something fills that spot still as so many news stories all have the same/similar headline and storyline.

It's like someone sends out a memo.

I particularly liked the part about how they figure how to spin the story and the different parts they all played.

If they were businesses they would've been up for charges of conspiracy and "price" fixing. Only the "price" would be the story of the day. Being "sold" to an unwitting audience which no one can know how that changed the outcomes for many people.

Posted by: jakee308 at May 19, 2020 01:17 PM (hX7UI)

258 249 >>236
C'mon, JFK made naval history: he was the skipper of the only PT boat to be run down by a warship in naval history.
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It was a Jap Destroyer. Evidently, PT Boats aren't as fast as Destroyers (especially while the captain and crew were sleeping).

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 19, 2020 01:17 PM (M7udi)

259 "Tone"

Blow it out your ass.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 19, 2020 01:18 PM (Boy/L)

260 Well, I think we had a good run. Up until the 60s or so anyway. Then things started falling apart, slowly at first but with increasing speed until we find ourselves where we are now.

At the end I think I'm happiest knowing that I got to see America as it was. Bummer a lot of people these days haven't.

Posted by: WitchDoktor, back to no one giving a damn. at May 19, 2020 01:18 PM (C+We0)

261 207 The press hated Nixon. It's not new.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 19, 2020 01:02 PM (oVJmc)

For two reasons: attacking Helen Gahagan Douglas as a commie* - which she was, and especially for ringing up Alger Hiss, who was strongly supported by the NYT and WaPo. What two newspapers led the charge to get Nixon? Why, the NYT and WaPo, as luck would have it.

*I just checked Douglas's bio on Wiki, and found this gem:

"Fellow Representative John F. Kennedy quietly donated money to Nixon's campaign against Gahagan Douglas, the two sharing similar views on the threat of communism."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2020 01:18 PM (YqDXo)

262
Why is Ben & Jerkoffs a thing again ? We should be concentrating on the Mega Obese and Leprosy Pill angle
says Nancy Pantsi.....................

Jowels mein Frigerator..........

Posted by: saf at May 19, 2020 01:18 PM (5IHGB)

263 Sean Hannity @seanhannity
1m
RECKONING: McConnell Confirms Senate 'Taking Steps' to Issue Subpoenas to 'Variety of Obama Officials' hann.it/2zTxKuq

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 19, 2020 01:18 PM (XXmNE)

264 You know who else had good tone. Those German Socialist Workers Party chaps. They also dressed very sharply. Very natty.
Posted by: Richard Head at May 19, 2020 01:16 PM (rQ/Vt)

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Their Leader was a very gifted and polished orator.

Posted by: fixerupper at May 19, 2020 01:18 PM (nw6Hr)

265 250 What conspiracy theories has Trump advocated?

I'm serious.

What conspiracy theories?

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 19, 2020 01:16 PM (GbPPJ)

The only one I can think of is the birther one.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 19, 2020 01:18 PM (Ez6QX)

266 Admittedly, it's gotten worse under Trump.
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Yes, but Reagan ( and Nixon for that matter) still had defenders in the media and entertainment world. Neither was treated as persona non grata as Trump and his family have been.

If Jimmy Fallon invited Trump on his show, his audience would desert him.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2020 01:18 PM (CqE5x)

267 What conspiracy theories has Trump advocated?

I'm serious.

What conspiracy theories?

--

Likely thinking of when Trump challenged Obama's birth certificate several years ago?

Posted by: WitchDoktor, back to no one giving a damn. at May 19, 2020 01:19 PM (C+We0)

268 What conspiracy theories has Trump advocated?

I learned a long time ago that "conspiracy theory" is just short hand for "shit I can't refute and wish you wouldn't say". Ranks right up there with "strawman" and "ad hominem".

Posted by: I Have No Party at May 19, 2020 01:19 PM (UGLi1)

269 Thank you for this , Ace. Two thoughts after reading:

1. The Media no longer reports, it has become Current Affairs and Politics Entertainment. A version of pr0n for too many in this country.

Much of it is still sold to the rubes as Impartial Straight-Up Reporting. It is important for The Media to maintain that fiction, so they can wrap themselves in the First Amendment as The Fourth Branch of Government, and portray themselves as The Only Real Guardians of Truth, Justice, and The American Way.

2. If/when Durham hands-down indictments, do not expect any members of the Dem-Media Complex, other than Dershowitz and Turley, to repent or do anything but call the indictments the corrupt result of a political witch-hunt by Trump and his hand-picked Attorney General.

Among themselves, all the members of the Dem-Media Complex will say that the only thing Comey and others did wrong was not succeeding to take-out Trump. Some will say as much on-air or in-print; most will publicly push the Trump-Barr corruption of justice story line. Oh, and that Comey, McCabe, etc., are Martyrs.

Posted by: Gref at May 19, 2020 01:19 PM (AMIL/)

270 All are lefties are corporate shills. They kneecapped Bernie in a NY Minute. Need say no moar.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 19, 2020 01:19 PM (M7udi)

271 The only one I can think of is the birther one.

And yet...

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 19, 2020 01:20 PM (Boy/L)

272 What conspiracy theories has Trump advocated?

I'm serious.

What conspiracy theories?

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 19, 2020 01:16 PM (GbPPJ)

The only one I can think of is the birther one.
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 19, 2020 01:18 PM (Ez6QX)

I'll tell you what--I never bought the birther thing. But if Trump does, it's worth a second look.

When has he been wrong?

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2020 01:20 PM (CqE5x)

273 What conspiracy theories has Trump advocated?

I'm serious.

What conspiracy theories?

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all

Oh, come on. They're as prevalent as his daily racist and anti semitic rants that prove his bona fides as the racist and anti semite in chief.

Posted by: LASue at May 19, 2020 01:20 PM (Ed8Zd)

274 Posted by: Puddin Head at May 19, 2020 01:15 PM (M7udi)

And THEN you have to take a look at WHO owns THEM.

Our media is owned by a lot of foreign interests. Many with malice towards the USA.

Posted by: jakee308 at May 19, 2020 01:20 PM (hX7UI)

275 >> What conspiracy theories has Trump advocated?

They use this interchangeably with "Trump lies."

So, Trump is peddling a conspiracy theory when he says he was wiretapped, that Biden is creepy, that HCQ works against Wuhan flu, etc.

They got tired of saying he lied, so they kicked it up a notch and started using 'conspiracy theory' smear.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 19, 2020 01:20 PM (bDqIh)

276 maybe already said. I haven't read all the comments.

But, I do not believe "Resistance Journalism" ruined the media. I believe "Resistance Journalism" is the media exposed for what it has ALWAYS been.

Those times when we believed there was legitimacy in journalism was simply because the "Resistance Journalism" aspect was more easily ignored or overlooked because we just didn't want to face up to what it really was and then have to deal with it.

Posted by: Hereogar at May 19, 2020 01:20 PM (eQ0LF)

277 Yes, but Reagan ( and Nixon for that matter) still had defenders in the media and entertainment world. Neither was treated as persona non grata as Trump and his family have been.
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That was a time when media was dispersed and reflective of the areas they operated in. Today, all of media is in Manhattan. All of Media! Who do you think put Obama in the WH?

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 19, 2020 01:20 PM (M7udi)

278 "34 Ben Smith ought to know about corrupting journalism, all right.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 19, 2020 12:33 PM (l4C/z)

Exactly. Is he trying to join Greenwald and Taibbi on the get out of Dodge before it explodes bandwagon?"

Smith is trying to memoryhole his culpability by acting all indignant about the excesses of the propaganda outlets.

Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at May 19, 2020 01:20 PM (puu6v)

279 For two reasons: attacking Helen Gahagan Douglas as a
commie* - which she was, and especially for ringing up Alger Hiss, who
was strongly supported by the NYT and WaPo. What two newspapers led the
charge to get Nixon? Why, the NYT and WaPo, as luck would have it.

*I just checked Douglas's bio on Wiki, and found this gem:

"Fellow Representative John F. Kennedy quietly donated money to
Nixon's campaign against Gahagan Douglas, the two sharing similar views
on the threat of communism."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2020 01:18 PM (YqDXo)Helen was a fine woman. A great actress. She had beautiful hair. Glossy, brown, fine hair.

Posted by: Joe Biden at May 19, 2020 01:21 PM (Ecqh2)

280 Who do you think put Obama in the WH?
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 19, 2020 01:20 PM (M7udi)

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That bastard Mike Ditka. Thats who.

Posted by: fixerupper at May 19, 2020 01:21 PM (nw6Hr)

281 Likely thinking of when Trump challenged Obama's birth certificate several years ago?
Posted by: WitchDoktor, back to no one giving a damn. at May 19, 2020 01:19 PM (C+We0)

I don't think of that as a conspiracy theory- just as Obama lying (again). But tomato, tomahto.

Posted by: LASue at May 19, 2020 01:22 PM (Ed8Zd)

282 If the DNC/MSM were the Mafia - not figuratively, but actually - how would they be acting any different than this daily barrage of crimes, lies and coverups?

There would be no difference at all, and everyone knows it.

Posted by: MarjBaldwin at May 19, 2020 01:22 PM (H5Sbo)

283
Posted by: Joe Biden at May 19, 2020 01:21 PM (Ecqh2)

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Dude.... Call us if this President'n thing doesnt work out for you.

Posted by: Gee Your Hair Smells Terrific Marketing Dept. at May 19, 2020 01:23 PM (nw6Hr)

284 O/T: Headline over at ZeroHedge (JackStraw happiest hit) --

Phone Calls Between Biden And Ukraine's Poroshenko Leaked; Details $1 Billion "Quid Pro Quo" To Fire Burisma Prosecutor
Posted by: ShainS at May 19, 2020 12:45 PM (WqPYg)

Those conversations are the quid-iest of all pro quo's.

Posted by: LASue at May 19, 2020 01:23 PM (Ed8Zd)

285 "Fellow Representative John F. Kennedy quietly donated money to Nixon's campaign against Gahagan Douglas, the two sharing similar views on the threat of communism."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2020 01:18 PM (YqDXo)

Kennedy was a flawed man and president, but he was an anti-Commie Cold Warrior.
If Oswald didn't assassinate him , what we know today as "The Sixties" would have turned out much differently.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2020 01:23 PM (CqE5x)

286 And that !Resistance! Journalism is on display every single day now that we are getting pandemic pressers on TV.

Just about every single question is some piece of horseshit accusation, not a question but instead of a statement of a position taken either by the questioner ("some people say that . . .) or a named official. The position is always in opposition to whatever the WH or the President is currently saying, and is meant as a gotcha.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at May 19, 2020 01:23 PM (+fPHo)

287 It was a Jap Destroyer. Evidently, PT Boats aren't as fast as Destroyers (especially while the captain and crew were sleeping).
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 19, 2020 01:17 PM (M7udi)

Yes, it was a Jap destroyer. A vewy vewy quiet one.

The captain and crew were obviously sleeping. The Navy originally was going to court-martial Kennedy for dereliction of duty, but Papa Joe managed to head that off.

Through the magic of marketing, the Kennedys made this sorry episode into a plus:

(Again from Wiki): "His actions to save his surviving crew after the sinking of PT-109 made him a war hero."

Wow. If he'd done his duty, they wouldn't have needed saving.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2020 01:24 PM (YqDXo)

288
Dude.... Call us if this President'n thing doesnt work out for you.

Posted by: Gee Your Hair Smells Terrific Marketing Dept. at May 19, 2020 01:23 PM (nw6Hr)

Do you have kids? I like kids. Aren't they great?

Posted by: Joe Biden at May 19, 2020 01:24 PM (Ecqh2)

289 280 Who do you think put Obama in the WH?
Posted by: Puddin Head at May 19, 2020 01:20 PM (M7udi)

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That bastard Mike Ditka. Thats who.
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Umm, the Pritzker's recruited and groomed Obama. Obama got to the Senate via the Pritzkers rigging the outcome in both Dem Primaries and General Elections. Its Shitcago.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 19, 2020 01:24 PM (M7udi)

290 JFK would be a Zell Miller equivalent today. Hell, the guy even CUT TAXES.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 19, 2020 01:24 PM (Boy/L)

291 So what did JFK do wrong in The Slot that night with the PT boat? Specific errors responsible for the collision? Or just dark/war/typical chaos? Have never read anything about the actual incident, but am familiar with lots and lots of "mistakes" made in the many actions around Guadalcanal and other Pacific engagements. Fairly typical, and often more disastrous.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 19, 2020 01:24 PM (El6T/)

292 Think they really started labeling everything "conspiracy theories" about a year ago when social media companies such as facebook and youtube started policing/censoring "conspiracy theory" content.

The term has undergone a redefinition in the past year or so in order to be a better tool against political speech that defies progressive thought/narratives.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 19, 2020 01:24 PM (bDqIh)

293 In any event I'm glad Barr has let us know that Biden and Obama are "likely" safe from investigation. Wouldn't want those two to unnecessarily worry or the masses to get the wrong idea about them. That kind of stuff is terrible for the psyche. Look what it's done to Flynn. We are better than that.

Posted by: ... at May 19, 2020 01:25 PM (li+1I)

294 I would think there would have been a story in investigating the birther conspiracy-even if it was simply about gathering the evidence to disprove it but not simply dismissing because of reasons.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 19, 2020 01:25 PM (Uu+Jp)

295 Posted by: WitchDoktor, back to no one giving a damn. at May 19, 2020 01:18 PM (C+We0)

Don't give up. I'm heartened by the number of people telling the governors to stick it. And even telling the Police to stick it.

Americans'll try anything once if they accept the premise.

We were hoodwinked and our government was at the center.

But now we see it's not all true and they government still wants to say it is and force us to remain serfs and that's just not going to happen.

Perhaps this will translate into some anti-democrat votes in November. The LIV's have now gotten a front row seat for the display of what the left really wants to do and what it means for people.

I think they made a big mistake by hanging on so long. I'm pretty sure Wolf is in trouble but he's got 2 years to recover. Some of those folks don't have 2 years to hide what they did.

I just hope Trump is elected and we get the House back and keep the Senate. Then we've still got a chance.

Posted by: jakee308 at May 19, 2020 01:25 PM (hX7UI)

296
*hook shots sock into the hamper. 2 POINTS!!

Posted by: fixerupper at May 19, 2020 01:25 PM (nw6Hr)

297 You have to grade Kennedys on a curve. Saving someone from drowning is pretty heroic for that family.

Posted by: Mary Jo Kopechne at May 19, 2020 01:26 PM (H5knJ)

298 BTW, if anyone liked Monk while it was on, search for Monk in Quarantine on YouTube. It is decent.

Posted by: WOPR - Clown World Timeline at May 19, 2020 01:26 PM (YFTMx)

299 Hahahahahahaha. Mirror Universe never fails to amuse.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 19, 2020 01:26 PM (9CkBG)

300 They have leaked recordings of the phone calls where trump forced Joe Biden to offer a quid pro quo to fire the ukrainian prosecutor investigating Burisma, a company which had board members with close ties to people connected with Trump's son Don Jr.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy. COVID Free since 1975 at May 19, 2020 01:26 PM (dNzKv)

301 Timing. So JFK and the rest were *asleep*? Really? Out in the open water, asleep? Whole crew of a PT boat? They were under way, not drifting? Guess I'd need to read the entire incident report.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 19, 2020 01:26 PM (El6T/)

302 Barr recently said Obama and Biden (and Comey?) would not be prosecuted? He must have had that phone call ... can't interfere in an election (unless it is on behalf of the DemMob) ... and can't indict a former prez (especially not the LightWorker) ... but hard to read the tea leaves on where this is all heading ... after the pandemic is over (in #2Years)

But maybe some other names are about to be indicted, or are we to be happy is a couple things get fixed, and we will all be happier once we get the FauciVaccine ... happy pills now come in vaccine form? ... awesome. heh

yes, SomeThing is happening ... what it is, is not exactly clear ... might depend on the meaning of the word "is".

Posted by: illiniwek at May 19, 2020 01:26 PM (Cus5s)

303 Kennedy was a flawed man and president, but he was an anti-Commie Cold Warrior.
If Oswald didn't assassinate him , what we know today as "The Sixties" would have turned out much differently.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2020 01:23 PM (CqE5x)

He was a terrible President, a Celtic version of affirmative action, but he was a staunch Cold Warrior.

I once hosed a liberal online who maintained - contra reality - that the GOP had moved rightward, rather than the Dems moving leftward. I provided him with a series of quotes that I attributed to Rush Limbaugh.

"Of course a right-wing nut job would say things like that."

I then informed him that they were all JFK quotes, and provided links.

"You tricked me!"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2020 01:27 PM (YqDXo)

304 In case those tweets weren't clear Biden was working with Poreshenko to embezzle $1.8 billion, with a "b", of IMF loans to Ukraine and he was urging Poreshenko after the election to complete the transaction before Trump found out and he did so in an off the record call that was not part of the State Department record.

Seems like something a reporter might want to follow up on.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 19, 2020 01:13 PM (ZLI7S)

!!!
*eyes bug out of head*

Posted by: LASue at May 19, 2020 01:27 PM (Ed8Zd)

305 Umm, the Pritzker's recruited and groomed Obama.
Obama got to the Senate via the Pritzkers rigging the outcome in both
Dem Primaries and General Elections. Its Shitcago.Posted by: Puddin Head at May 19, 2020 01:24 PM (M7udi)***The Chicago Tribune contributed enormously as well. What a waste of paper and ink.

Posted by: Old Dude at May 19, 2020 01:27 PM (LGXGf)

306
JFK would be a Zell Miller equivalent today. Hell, the guy even CUT TAXES.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 19, 2020 01:24 PM (Boy/L)

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JFK was a supply sider.

Posted by: fixerupper at May 19, 2020 01:27 PM (nw6Hr)

307 282 If the DNC/MSM were the Mafia - not figuratively, but actually - how would they be acting any different than this daily barrage of crimes, lies and coverups?
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There would be moar bewbies and ass on TV and it would be entertaining. The Mob knows their job. Manhattan Media gives us trannie guys and queers.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 19, 2020 01:27 PM (M7udi)

308 JFK would be a Zell Miller equivalent today. Hell, the guy even CUT TAXES.

JFK would be just as left as the rest of the democrats today.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy. COVID Free since 1975 at May 19, 2020 01:28 PM (dNzKv)

309 Journalism is, for pretty much every outfit today (including Fox, Washington Times, and OANN) not about reporting facts and information but about feeding red meat to various groups. No news organization at the national level can survive or make money on just being dry, neutral, "just the facts ma'am" reporting any longer. That's not their business.

You have to abandon the idea that any real news organizations exist at the national level any longer. They do at the local level, reporting just things that happen in town, but not the state or national. There are no more news companies at that level any more. They are businesses that gather things to feed their customers, things people want to hear.

Are they true? Who cares, really. Its not about information any longer. Its about propping up presuppositions and beliefs about the world. Is it accurate? What difference does that make? They have bills to pay.

Think of them less as a news group than entertainment disguised as news. As long as they keep making their customers happy, their doors stay open and they keep their jobs. If they stop doing that, the subscriptions and online clicks go away and they have to learn to code.

So there's not only no incentive to apologize, tell the truth, or punish people for lying and ruining their reputation, there is incentive to NOT do so. Rachel Maddow's show isn't about giving her fans facts, its about spoon feeding them pap so they feel better about the future and reinforce their bubble. As long as she keeps doing that, she has a job. If she apologizes, retracts, corrects, or is punished for her continual stream of lies, well viewers leave.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2020 01:28 PM (KZzsI)

310 294 I would think there would have been a story in investigating the birther conspiracy-even if it was simply about gathering the evidence to disprove it but not simply dismissing because of reasons.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 19, 2020 01:25 PM (Uu+Jp)

It was racist, or something.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 19, 2020 01:28 PM (Ez6QX)

311 Seems like something a reporter might want to follow up on.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 19, 2020 01:13 PM (ZLI7S)

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HEY!!!! STROZK AND WRAY!!!

THIS IS WHAT VIOLATING THE LOGAN ACT LOOKS LIKE!!!

CHOP CHOP!!!

Posted by: fixerupper at May 19, 2020 01:28 PM (nw6Hr)

312 I also don't fully understand why the neverTrumpers feel they have to be full on insane in their Trump hatred.
Endorsing a senile rapist as a presidential candidate is insane.
Falling for every accusation against Trump without a single moment of sober thought is insane.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 19, 2020 01:29 PM (Uu+Jp)

313 It's a fact that Obama lied or he allowed his publisher to lie about where he was born for several years to sell books. It's in his authors bio.

Obama started the birther conspiracy by being a sleazeball. That's probably all there is to it.

Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 19, 2020 01:29 PM (xfb67)

314 311 Seems like something a reporter might want to follow up on.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 19, 2020 01:13 PM (ZLI7S)

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HEY!!!! STROZK AND WRAY!!!

THIS IS WHAT VIOLATING THE LOGAN ACT LOOKS LIKE!!!

CHOP CHOP!!!
Posted by: fixerupper at May 19, 2020 01:28 PM (nw6Hr)

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He was VP at the time, so no.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 01:29 PM (LvTSG)

315 Timing. So JFK and the rest were *asleep*? Really? Out in the open water, asleep? Whole crew of a PT boat? They were under way, not drifting? Guess I'd need to read the entire incident report.
Posted by: rhomboid at May 19, 2020 01:26 PM (El6T/)

Apparently they'd cut the engine and were drifting on a glass-like sea, per Kennedy's account (IIRC). He left out that they were obviously all snoozing. Otherwise how could they not notice a destroyer under way coming right at them until it collided with them?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2020 01:30 PM (YqDXo)

316 Barr recently said Obama and Biden (and Comey?) would not be prosecuted?
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Making your prey comfortable is an age old tactic. Ask Don Corleone.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 19, 2020 01:30 PM (M7udi)

317 312 I also don't fully understand why the neverTrumpers feel they have to be full on insane in their Trump hatred.
Endorsing a senile rapist as a presidential candidate is insane.
Falling for every accusation against Trump without a single moment of sober thought is insane.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 19, 2020 01:29 PM (Uu+Jp)

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Unless their purpose isn't to be intellectually consistent but to act as conservatives in good standing.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 01:30 PM (LvTSG)

318 Interesting anti-covid hysteria site: https://evidencenotfear.com

/not sure how long they'll let it stay up....

Posted by: shibumi, a Useless Eater living in CV1984 at May 19, 2020 01:31 PM (ZCiJZ)

319 He was VP at the time, so no.
Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 01:29 PM (LvTSG)

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*sniff*

Thought it was after the transition.

Aw shucks.

Ok.

Hey!!!

BUG EYED SCHIFF !!!!! THIS IS WHAT QUID PRO QUO LOOKS LIKE, YOU PENCIL NECKED DWEEB!!!

CHOP CHOP!!!

Posted by: fixerupper at May 19, 2020 01:31 PM (nw6Hr)

320 The voters put Obama in the WH. Twice. Nobody else.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 19, 2020 01:31 PM (El6T/)

321 He left out that they were obviously all snoozing.

Or passed out boozing. Like his brother he had a problem with drugs and boozerini

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2020 01:31 PM (KZzsI)

322 Spoiler: there hasn't been a "heart" in the news media possibly ever but I'll go with the last 50 years

Posted by: ... at May 19, 2020 01:31 PM (uEbPt)

323 318
JFK WAS A DRUG ADDLED PHILANDERER THAT WAS SPAWNED BY AN ORGANIZED CRIME

FAMILY. HE COULDN'T TAKE A SHIT BEFORE CHECKING WITH A POLL. FUCK THE

KENNEDY FAMILY TO HELL.

Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE FRED FLINTSTONE at May 19, 2020 01:30 PM (Pzzpr)
Dude, some of us are still hung over. Stop shouting.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at May 19, 2020 01:31 PM (Ecqh2)

324 It's a fact that Obama lied or he allowed his publisher to lie about where he was born for several years to sell books. It's in his authors bio.

Obama started the birther conspiracy by being a sleazeball. That's probably all there is to it.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 19, 2020 01:29 PM (xfb67)

Well that and he is a good bet to have used the same dodge to get admission/ financial aid at Occidental and/or Columbia.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2020 01:31 PM (YqDXo)

325 There is a big element to this that I think is missing. It is correct as far as it goes with public figures and how it related to "resistance journalism" but it goes so far beyond public figures that limiting the view to this facet is missing the forest for the trees.

The handling of current events *in general* - say the Wuhan Virus of climate change is also "resistance journalism." The 1619 project is hybrid of "resistance journalism" and "resistance education." The treatment of Michael Flynn is example of the "resistance judiciary." Refusing to seat Trump appointees is example of the "resistance legislature." SJW, woke-ass recreations of classic stories is example of "resistance entertainment."

Whatever part of society, whatever the ostensible mission, whatever the rightful theater, you too can be indifferent to facts or reason or honesty or morality or ethical obligations. Simply be part of the "resistance." This goes back well before the whole "resistance" shtick, but it is all part and parcel and related.

The problem isn't so much "resistance journalism." It is the entire "resistance society" and the people who run it for the purposes of corruption the real society upon which it is built.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 19, 2020 01:32 PM (hYcqw)

326 https://bit.ly/3g7QvuP
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Partisanship Aside, Trump Had Reason to Fire Michael Atkinson, Say Two Former CIA Whistleblowers -Consortiumnews

Posted by: Ghost Of Qassem Soleimani at May 19, 2020 01:32 PM (XXmNE)

327 NEWS FLASH: Jennifer Rubin, noted Conservative, has declared: "Nancy Pelosi is a national treasure."

Posted by: Moron News Service at May 19, 2020 01:32 PM (DMUuz)

328
Exactly. Is he trying to join Greenwald and Taibbi on the get out of Dodge before it explodes bandwagon?"

Smith is trying to memoryhole his culpability by acting all indignant about the excesses of the propaganda outlets.
Posted by: Trump poisoned my cat at May 19, 2020 01:20 PM (puu6v)

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Yeah, the shit is pathetic. It's like if you write one article that not only doesn't acknowledge your own horrible culpability, but tries to make you sound virtuous in your denunciation of everyone else who did the same things (or less) as you did, then you'll be forgiven.

These bastards must smell a reckoning coming for the media. Like, a total collapse of various outlets. And then they can say "see, we Spoke Truth to Power. Give us jobs!" at the ones that remain in business.

Sadly, that'll likely work, too.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 19, 2020 01:32 PM (h6CJG)

329 Some of us are temporarily embarrassed sea captains!

Ahoy!

Posted by: Bill Krystol at May 19, 2020 01:32 PM (yL25O)

330 320 The voters put Obama in the WH. Twice. Nobody else.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 19, 2020 01:31 PM (El6T/)

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Pedant alert.

The states.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 01:32 PM (LvTSG)

331 320 The voters put Obama in the WH. Twice. Nobody else.
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Manhattan Media is a church. Who among you wish to be crucified as a RAYCISS!

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 19, 2020 01:33 PM (M7udi)

332
The only one I can think of is the birther one.
Posted by: Jordan61 at May 19, 2020 01:18 PM (Ez6QX)

Ahhh yes I'd forgotten that because I've tried to ignore everything about it.

But that's it as far as I can tell.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 19, 2020 01:33 PM (GbPPJ)

333 327 NEWS FLASH: Jennifer Rubin, noted Conservative, has declared: "Nancy Pelosi is a national treasure."
Posted by: Moron News Service at May 19, 2020 01:32 PM (DMUuz)

Hahaha. Jenn Rubin is an embarrassment.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 19, 2020 01:33 PM (Uu+Jp)

334 But, I do not believe "Resistance Journalism" ruined the media. I believe "Resistance Journalism" is the media exposed for what it has ALWAYS been.

Those times when we believed there was legitimacy in journalism was simply because the "Resistance Journalism" aspect was more easily ignored or overlooked because we just didn't want to face up to what it really was and then have to deal with it.
Posted by: Hereogar at May 19, 2020 01:20 PM (eQ0LF)

Journalism enjoyed a brief respectability after WWII due to the wartime journalists, who did some good work.

Prior to that, from the foundation of the Republic on up to the modern era, newspaperman were seen as only slightly more respectable than hookers.

Yellow journalism arguably never left completely, but it's come back full force.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at May 19, 2020 01:34 PM (J+mig)

335 I also don't fully understand why the neverTrumpers feel they have to be full on insane in their Trump hatred.
Endorsing a senile rapist as a presidential candidate is insane.
Falling for every accusation against Trump without a single moment of sober thought is insane.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 19, 2020 01:29 PM (Uu+Jp)

I thought that more than a few of them would have come around by now, mea culpas in tow, but nope. They double down.

Can anyone think of a SINGLE prominent "conservative" NeverTrumper who came around after he was elected? I can't.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2020 01:34 PM (CqE5x)

336
Obama started the birther conspiracy by being a sleazeball. That's probably all there is to it.
Posted by: sniffybigtoe at May 19, 2020 01:29 PM (xfb67)

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Although I believe BHO was born is Hawaii.... there is some very shady shit with his SS Number and college records.

I personally think he misrepresented himself as Foreign Exchange Student to take advantage of programs in college. Ala Liz Warren.

Posted by: fixerupper at May 19, 2020 01:34 PM (nw6Hr)

337 334 Yellow journalism arguably never left completely, but it's come back full force.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at May 19, 2020 01:34 PM (J+mig)

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I mean, William Randolph Hearst was just the most diligent of newspaper men, wasn't he?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison, fighting terrorist in Nakatomi Tower at May 19, 2020 01:34 PM (LvTSG)

338 The problem isn't so much "resistance journalism." It is the entire "resistance society" and the people who run it for the purposes of corruption the real society upon which it is built.
Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 19, 2020 01:32 PM (hYcqw)

More accurate version: globally search and replace "resistance" with "Communist."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2020 01:34 PM (YqDXo)

339 Don't see where "partisanship" has anything necessarily to do with canning Atkinson. Just the tip of the publicly known iceberg in the Ciarmarella case is more than enough.

Posted by: rhomboid at May 19, 2020 01:34 PM (El6T/)

340 Hahaha. Jenn Rubin is an embarrassment.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 19, 2020 01:33 PM (Uu+Jp)

Jen Rubin is a fine reporter. Her hair smells good, too.

Posted by: Joe Biden at May 19, 2020 01:35 PM (Ecqh2)

341 Well that and he is a good bet to have used the same dodge to get admission/ financial aid at Occidental and/or Columbia.
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He is the scion of two generations of CIA and State Dept leftist operatives. There are many fellow travelers in academia to grease the skids for a comrade.

Posted by: Puddin Head at May 19, 2020 01:35 PM (M7udi)

342 Re: the sidebar about the fat people with pixy hair?

That's due to them knowing they are not attractive and will likely never be attractive so why waste time with long hair? Takes a lot of work and also is difficult for a person to do for themselves when they're fat.

Even if they have money it's easier to take care of on a daily basis.

That's the same reason why women of a certain age cut their hair (helmet head) and it looks like it's built up.

It also may be an indication of distrust or dislike/hate of men or just normal trouble between the sexes.

When you're young you still have hope you'll find someone who will make you happy.

When you get to about 65 you realize that it's not happening as there's not enough time left. So women start looking plain or mannish and men turn into slobs and curmudgeons.

Posted by: jakee308 at May 19, 2020 01:35 PM (hX7UI)

343 Timing. So JFK and the rest were *asleep*? Really? Out in the open water, asleep?

No, it was literal fog of war. Literal fog, no moon, everyone's running without lights. They were awake they just didn't see the destroyer until it was about to cut them in half.

I forget if I've read this or imagined it but the destroyer may not have known that anything happened.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 19, 2020 01:35 PM (gd9RK)

344 Nood bumper tables.

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at May 19, 2020 01:35 PM (tmA71)

345 More accurate version: globally search and replace "resistance" with "Communist."
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2020 01:34 PM (YqDXo)
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To be fair, not all of them are communists.

Some of them are fascists.

Posted by: Joe Mannix (Not a cop!) at May 19, 2020 01:35 PM (hYcqw)

346 Yellow journalism arguably never left completely, but it's come back full force.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at May 19, 2020 01:34 PM (J+mig)
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I do not believe yellow journalism ever claimed to be other than what it was, unlike the current purveyors of lies.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at May 19, 2020 01:35 PM (WEBkv)

347 Although I believe BHO was born is Hawaii.... there is some very shady shit with his SS Number and college records.

I personally think he misrepresented himself as Foreign Exchange Student to take advantage of programs in college. Ala Liz Warren.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 19, 2020 01:34 PM (nw6Hr)

That's exactly my take, too.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2020 01:35 PM (YqDXo)

348 hi! so, update on the NY gym

the morning seemed calm? everything going smoothly. the owner came out and asked the supporters in the parking lot to sit in their cars, at the behest of local cops.

he got another fine/citation but he says he's willing to pay those every day

but then the cops started harassing the people exiting (you can only work out two at a time by appointment). the police made everyone give them their names and took notes.

one guy said "um I'm not giving you my name" so he was arrested!

that's the last I heard but I think that made it get a little sporty. not good.

Posted by: HostageBlackOrchid at May 19, 2020 01:35 PM (j9HX3)

349 nood

american ingenuity at its best

Posted by: nurse ratched at May 19, 2020 01:36 PM (d7Ww2)

350 So Zero hedge leaks this call days after Barr say he didn't think they'd be called. Are we seeIng 3D chess again?

Posted by: CSMBigBird at May 19, 2020 01:36 PM (xInes)

351 When you get to about 65 you realize that it's not happening as there's not enough time left. So women start looking plain or mannish and men turn into slobs and curmudgeons.

So that's what happened to me

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2020 01:36 PM (KZzsI)

352 323 318
JFK WAS A DRUG ADDLED PHILANDERER THAT WAS SPAWNED BY AN ORGANIZED CRIME

FAMILY. HE COULDN'T TAKE A SHIT BEFORE CHECKING WITH A POLL. FUCK THE

KENNEDY FAMILY TO HELL.

Posted by: MIRROR UNIVERSE FRED FLINTSTONE at May 19, 2020 01:30 PM (Pzzpr)
Dude, some of us are still hung over. Stop shouting.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at May 19, 2020 01:31 PM (Ecqh2)

Fairness...he's not wrong

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 19, 2020 01:36 PM (l4C/z)

353 236

C'mon, JFK made naval history: he was the skipper of the only PT boat to be run down by a warship in naval history.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2020 12:57 PM (YqDXo)

What is with Kennedys and crashing in water?

Posted by: Quilter's Irish Death at May 19, 2020 01:36 PM (k/TB6)

354 That's exactly my take, too.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2020 01:35 PM (YqDXo)

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Thats because you are a *very* smart dude, dude.

Posted by: fixerupper at May 19, 2020 01:37 PM (nw6Hr)

355 Yellow journalism arguably never left completely, but it's come back full force.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at May 19, 2020 01:34 PM (J+mig)

Journalism was outrageously slanted back then, but was offset by papers with opposing outrageously slanted viewpoints.

Now the MSM is monolithically leftist.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2020 01:37 PM (YqDXo)

356
I personally think he misrepresented himself as Foreign Exchange Student to take advantage of programs in college. Ala Liz Warren.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 19, 2020 01:34 PM (nw6Hr)

That's exactly my take, too.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2020 01:35 PM (YqDXo)

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Yes, I believe the Obama Administration viewed Birtherism as a godsend, because it sucked all the air out of the room at the exact same time as an actual scandal was brewing about his misrepresentation of his citizenship during school, and made any question about his background citizenship verboten.

Hell, they may have ginned it up themselves.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at May 19, 2020 01:37 PM (h6CJG)

357 "That bastard Mike Ditka. Thats who."

This.

Posted by: Jeri Ryan at May 19, 2020 01:37 PM (DMUuz)

358 Even with Trump's birth certificate thing, he said "there's something on there he doesn't want us to see" ... and given the fake they gave us, it seems that is true.

But the fake we got ... "conspiracy theory" to call it a fake, but seems clear to me it was fake ... it had layers ... and discrepancies, right? Our fake news media completely whitewashed that ...

Posted by: illiniwek at May 19, 2020 01:37 PM (Cus5s)

359 The notion that journalists are heroes and part of the elite is a big part of the degradation of the industry. Calling them journalists rather than reporters is part of that degradation.
Reporters were more respectable when they just regarded themselves as working stiffs.
Twitter has destroyed the credibility of journalism because 140 characters is just enough to prove how stupid and lazy are.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 19, 2020 01:38 PM (Uu+Jp)

360 Thats because you are a *very* smart dude, dude.
Posted by: fixerupper at May 19, 2020 01:37 PM (nw6Hr)

LOL! You too, dude!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2020 01:38 PM (YqDXo)

361 Dude, some of us are still hung over. Stop shouting.

You don't get hungover if you start drinking again in the morning.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 19, 2020 01:39 PM (gd9RK)

362 Fairness...he's not wrong

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards, buy ammo. Yes, you. at May 19, 2020 01:36 PM (l4C/z)I'll give him that.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at May 19, 2020 01:39 PM (Ecqh2)

363 I forget if I've read this or imagined it but the destroyer may not have known that anything happened.

I read they had taken it out of gear - violation of regs - and couldn't get it back in.

Posted by: I Have No Party at May 19, 2020 01:39 PM (UGLi1)

364 207 The press hated Nixon. It's not new.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at May 19, 2020 01:02 PM (oVJmc)
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The hatred is not new.
BUT, if you go back to the coverage of the Nixon years, especially pre-Wgate, you will see NOTHING like the treatment of Trump.

There was respect for the office. There was respect for the FLOTUS. The media did not attack every single word and act from day one. They did not call him a traitor and a Russian agent.

Yes, major media has always been biased.
But no, it is not the same old thing. It's much worse.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 19, 2020 01:39 PM (M/9m0)

365 JFK would be a Zell Miller equivalent today. Hell, the guy even CUT TAXES.

JFK would be just as left as the rest of the democrats today.
Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy. COVID Free since 1975 at May 19, 2020 01:28 PM (dNzKv)

You're both right.
By today's standards JFK is basically a Trump Republican

But had he lived, he would have moved as Left as his party would have went.

My point above was that if Kennedy hadn't been assassinated, maybe the Democrat Party doesn't move that far left.
Remember, lots of stuff was passed by Johnson and Congress in the wake of his killing that 'He would have wanted" that in actuality Kennedy would NEVER have pushed.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2020 01:40 PM (CqE5x)

366 Posted by: jakee308 at May 19, 2020 01:25 PM (hX7UI)

It WILL translate into some anti Democrat votes. Somebody who has just been voting Democrat reflexively for the past 20 years because they think it's for the working people-and let's say that their business has been closed or their brother's gym can't open or their sister is having to pay a fine simply for wanting to feed her family by having her hair salon-they are paying attention to
to what their Democrat Governors are doing.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 19, 2020 01:40 PM (+eVzC)

367 Obama being born anywhere but Hawaii requires too many postulates, and hence flunks Occam's Razor.

But claiming to be a foreign-born student requires just a flick of a pen, and is associated with an obvious incentive to sex up his bio.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2020 01:41 PM (YqDXo)

368 I find it odd that nobody knows what kind of grades the smartest president ever got.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 19, 2020 01:41 PM (Uu+Jp)

369 The hatred is not new.
BUT, if you go back to the coverage of the Nixon years, especially pre-Wgate, you will see NOTHING like the treatment of Trump.

There was respect for the office. There was respect for the FLOTUS. The media did not attack every single word and act from day one. They did not call him a traitor and a Russian agent.

Yes, major media has always been biased.
But no, it is not the same old thing. It's much worse.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 19, 2020 01:39 PM (M/9m0)

This is true.

They hated his guts, but they didn't treat him as though he were illegitimately elected.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2020 01:42 PM (CqE5x)

370 >>Obama started the birther conspiracy by being a sleazeball. That's probably all there is to it.

David Axelrod did, right, as a way to attack people who question Obama's lack of basic life records such as a birth certificate and school records.

Axe likened anyone who simply questioned Obama's records as on par with people holding the most extreme theories on Obama's personal history as "birthers." Sadly, it was really effective, and I would not be surprised if it was Axe's own false flag people who posed as these extremists online, seeding any discussion of Obama's missing history in order to inhibit a normal discussion of it, get it all lumped a krayzee-kooky conspiracy theories.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 19, 2020 01:44 PM (bDqIh)

371 368 I find it odd that nobody knows what kind of grades the smartest president ever got.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 19, 2020 01:41 PM (Uu+Jp)

That's because he's so modest he doesn't others to feel bad.

Although in one of his poxy "auto" biographies he admits he was a poor student at Occidental. So how did he get into Columbia, erstwhile home of the Frankfurt School? Hmmm.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at May 19, 2020 01:44 PM (YqDXo)

372 I wonder how many years it will take before someone can write a fair and honest biography of Donald Trump.

Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 19, 2020 01:44 PM (Uu+Jp)

373 When you get to about 65 you realize that it's not happening as there's not enough time left. So women start looking plain or mannish and men turn into slobs and curmudgeons.

So that's what happened to me
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at May 19, 2020 01:36 PM (KZzsI)

For some it happens BEFORE 65, for others-mostly men, it happens later.

I know an 85 year old who is the terror of his elderly facility. It's not assisted living and he still drives, but he's still chasing poon.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2020 01:45 PM (CqE5x)

374 I'll tell you what--I never bought the birther thing. But if Trump does, it's worth a second look.

When has he been wrong?
Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2020 01:20 PM (CqE5x)

I think the most likely "there" around the birther issue is the extent to which Obama's records were hidden. The purported birth certificate his people eventually released was dubious at best, and there were claims (by a publicist or book agent, IIRC) that he was foreign born.

What I believe is that he opportunistically claimed to be a foreign student in order to go to college with lesser grades than they might have accepted otherwise.

It wouldn't be a technical disqualifier for Presidency, but it'd make him the male Elizabeth Warren.

Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at May 19, 2020 01:45 PM (J+mig)

375 I wonder how many years it will take before someone can write a fair and honest biography of Donald Trump.
Posted by: Brother Northernlurker just another guy at May 19, 2020 01:44 PM (Uu+Jp)

Someday, but we'll be dead.

That's what sucks about the study of history.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2020 01:46 PM (CqE5x)

376 >>I personally think he misrepresented himself as Foreign Exchange Student to take advantage of programs in college. Ala Liz Warren.

Yes. Also think maybe he never changed his name back to Obama (from Soertero or whatever), which gets interesting with Indonesian personal documentation, etc.

Posted by: Lizzy at May 19, 2020 01:47 PM (bDqIh)

377
I think the most likely "there" around the birther issue is the extent to which Obama's records were hidden. The purported birth certificate his people eventually released was dubious at best, and there were claims (by a publicist or book agent, IIRC) that he was foreign born.

What I believe is that he opportunistically claimed to be a foreign student in order to go to college with lesser grades than they might have accepted otherwise.

It wouldn't be a technical disqualifier for Presidency, but it'd make him the male Elizabeth Warren.
Posted by: Cato, Collectivism Delenda Est at May 19, 2020 01:45 PM (J+mig)

I agree. So they focus on the "birther" thing to make us look like nuts.

Posted by: JoeF. at May 19, 2020 01:47 PM (CqE5x)

378 Ben Smith worked for Buzzfeed and now NYT. How is he in a position to point fingers? Seems to me he must have an ulterior motive here. Maybe a pre-emptive hit on Farrow?

Posted by: jayk at May 19, 2020 01:49 PM (y9XRZ)

379 Read this thread for more information on Joe's corruption with Porochenko.

https://tinyurl.com/y95qcfuv

Posted by: JackStraw at May 19, 2020 01:50 PM (ZLI7S)

380 So I'm suddenly to entertain the notion that anything Ben Smith says, is said for other than strategic reasons? That he wouldn't unblinkingly say the opposite tomorrow if it suited his or his masters' purposes.

Gimme a fuckin' break. Ben Smith can diaf, along with his "newspaper."

One more time: utterances from the left have no truth or falsity. They have only utility to the cause. That is their only relationship to anything that has happened before or that may happen later, their only relationship to anything that has been said before or may be said later.

Posted by: Hierominous Botch at May 19, 2020 01:51 PM (YqED9)

381 332

The only one I can think of is the birther one.

Posted by: Jordan61 at May 19, 2020 01:18 PM

Ahhh yes I'd forgotten that because I've tried to ignore everything about it.

But that's it as far as I can tell.

Posted by: alexthechick - Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at May 19, 2020 01:33 PM

Isn't/Wasn't Trump also a 9/11 Truther? I need to research that now...

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 19, 2020 01:51 PM (Do5/p)

382 The minor break-in by two-bit players at the headquarters of a campaign so loathed they would go on to lose in the largest landslide in our country's history?
Posted by: SH

The break in was an operation run by John Dean, to get the appointment book of his call-girl paramour (who he later married). Nixon didn't know shit about it until after the fact, and the dumbest thing he did was cover for people who wanted to undermine him.

And why, may you ask, was a call girl prostitute operation being run out of the DNC office at the Watergate?
That in itself was a pretty strange circumstance.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at May 19, 2020 01:55 PM (vcOmj)

383 And that's part of the reason the Dems are pushing for mail in ballots. It's not the keep people safe ( They wouldn't be able to keep people socially distant at an election precinct ??????? They want to commit massive election fraud.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 19, 2020 01:58 PM (+eVzC)

384 Our media is owned by a lot of foreign interests. Many with malice towards the USA.
Posted by: jakee308

AT&T owns CNN now
Disney owns ABC and Fox

Viacom owns CBS

Comcast owns NBC.

Are any of these foreign companies?

Oh, and Carlos Slim (Mexican telecom billionaire) has a large minority interest in the NY Times.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at May 19, 2020 01:58 PM (vcOmj)

385 So just doing a quick search, looks like he has said some stupid things related to the 9/11/2001 Islamic terrorist attacks, but I did not find anything that puts him in 9/11 Truther area.

He does seem to blame former President George W. Bush for not keeping people safe, which is a stupid cheap shot. That's akin to blaming Trump for those killed by SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 and not keeping Americans safe. But otherwise, no 9/11 Truther stuff.

https://bit.ly/2zRPk2d

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at May 19, 2020 01:59 PM (Do5/p)

386 But claiming to be a foreign-born student requires just a flick of a pen, and is associated with an obvious incentive to sex up his bio.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

On the bio on the dust jacket for early printings of "Dreams of My Father", Obama is called "Kenyan born". I guess Trump went back in time and did that to Obama.

Posted by: Bozo Conservative....outlaw in America at May 19, 2020 02:00 PM (vcOmj)

387 Poor Ben Smith.
All these imitators are cutting into his gig, and exposing the con the rubes.

The guy became a player by writing buzzwothy false stories to establish a narrative.
By the time he was forced to retract, the lie would have become common knowledge.
And I must admit, the cynical bleepard was damned effective at picking his spots and hitting his shots.

Posted by: Luke at May 19, 2020 02:02 PM (LcCGY)

388 Why are so many media jobs disappearing?

Because so many "journalists" failed to heed the lesson of Bollea v. Gawker.

They don't remember Gawker??????

And now they don't have jobs.

Al least Stormy Daniels had a job in the strip clubs to fall back on, until the government closed the strip clubs.

Posted by: MachiasPrivateer at May 19, 2020 02:46 PM (EMi53)

389 Greetings:

I'm surprised that Judy Woodruff and her crew at PBS NewsHour didn't get a mention especially after they came up with that "Trusted, Balanced, Honest" tag line.

Posted by: 11B40 at May 19, 2020 03:10 PM (evgyj)

390 Until actual pain is felt by the journalistic parasites and the equally parasitic DC elite class, nothing will change. There is no lesson they will learn from any of this.

Journalist: "Here's my absolute shoddy journalismising!"

Public: "This is garbage & here's a 3-second Google search that disproves literally everything you wrote."

Journalist: "It's the public that's wrong! I must lie harder next time! Because I BELIEVE IT!"

Posted by: sans_sheriff at May 19, 2020 03:19 PM (zdSnu)

391 "Resistance journalism" has been around for decades.

They used to be more subtle.

Remember Uncle Walt? ...and, he wasn't the first.

These days, they're simply in your face about it.

Posted by: The Knave at May 19, 2020 04:16 PM (0xRBd)

392 I wouldn't say none of them have payed a price; anyone stuck with the Bulwark as their byline, for example, has paid a pretty significant credibility and career-options price. Even if they are getting paid now, you have to think their long-term chances of continued salary have been considerably reduced.

Posted by: MattJ at May 19, 2020 04:24 PM (caYFl)

393 It's also NOT journalism which means NO 1st amendment rights, which means they can be hunted down and executed in the streets..

Posted by: CK at May 20, 2020 12:55 PM (F1dgn)

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