Gun Thread: Lockdown - Response to Covid-19 Edition [Weasel]

First of all, it's the Chinese Flu, and second of all, the official Gun Thread response is thanks a lot, China. In fact, fuck you China, and the dragon you rode in on. I really appreciate sitting at home on some sort of half-ass lockdown watching the U.S. economy get beaten to shit because of your incompetence. You have disgraced yourselves and brought great shame on your ancestors, Asshoe!

Now, let's get to some gun stuff below, shall we?

A question that comes up from time to time in the comments and in email I receive is:

What Kind of Gun Should I Buy?
It seems like a simple question, but the answer is a little more complicated, and anyone who simply says "buy X" without knowing anything else isn't doing you any favors. In order to make an informed recommendation a little more information is needed; primarily the intended use, and to a lesser degree some information about the shooter. A big strapping guy with large hands who plans to shoot a lot is going to have a different range of options than, say, a petit gal who is looking for something only for self-defense after an initial familiarization. Before we dig in, one fact needs to be emphasized and that's not all guns do everything well. Shotguns, rifles and handguns, depending on the configuration, all have strengths and weaknesses. For example, you don't see a lot of duck hunters outfitting themselves with .22 cal target pistols. Can you kill a duck with a .22 cal target pistol? Sure. Is it the best tool for the job? Nope.

Current headlines are reporting record firearms sales for the month of March. Examples are here, here, and here. What gives? Well, uncertainty for one thing. The threat of social disorder and mayhem is always a great motivator when it comes to people thinking about protecting themselves, their loved ones, and their stuff.

So let's assume that what everyone has on their mind is self-defense and protecting their property which narrows the field down a bit.

Long Guns
So named because they're longer than short guns, this group covers rifles and shotguns. While obviously not practical for concealed carry, a shotgun in 12 ga or 20 ga can make a fine general purpose home defense weapon. Look for something with a barrel length in the 18 inch range, which, when loaded with buckshot, will make a formidable weapon. Although rifles will work in a pinch, they are better left to shooting at longer distances. Because of the high velocity of the rounds, over-penetration can be a concern as the bullets can easily penetrate a person and then the walls of your house, before heading outside to meet your neighbors.

Handguns
I suspect handguns are what most people are thinking of when they decide they need to arm themselves. Depending on where you live, a handgun can be concealed when you go out (a permit is generally required) or kept handy inside your home, for example, in a bedside drawer. Use common sense in securing any weapon if there are youngsters around.

Modern handguns are made in two basic types, revolvers and semi-automatic pistols. On the plus side for revolvers is they are extremely simple to use. Once loaded, it is simply a matter of pointing and pulling the trigger. The downside, if you want to call it that, is they are usually limited to six and sometimes seven rounds. Pistols, on the other hand, generally have a higher ammunition capacity, some with as many as 15 rounds, but their operation is more complicated. Making them ready to fire requires inserting the magazine and loading a round into the chamber and there are often external safeties to deal with. These operations can complicate their use in a high-stress situation, especially if a shooter hasn't trained for such.

Please Just Shut Up and Give Us a Recommendation
Don't get snippy! For a first time gun owner, someone who has little or no experience with firearms who decides one day to arm themselves, I'd recommend a revolver in .38 Special. For decades this cartridge was the standard for police sidearms, and with self-defense ammunition it has plenty of stopping power. As I mentioned above, revolvers are completely safe until you start pulling the trigger. You can tell instantly if it's loaded, they are utterly reliable, there is nothing to jam, and cleaning and maintenance is simple. If you are going to buy one gun and stick it in a drawer and forget about it, you want a revolver.

It pains me somewhat to write that last sentence, but I'm enough of a realist to know that happens a lot. I firmly believe every gun owner should become familiar with the operation of every weapon they own, and then periodically take it to the range to maintain at least some basic level of proficiency with it. This doesn't mean you have to go all nutty and spend your life at the gun range, but you owe it to yourself and the rest of the world to know what in the hell you're doing with the deadly weapon in your hands. For those perspective purchasers that fit into this category, please, please, please make the effort to learn basic gun handling safety and marksmanship. If you don't know what you're doing, we're all better off without you owning a gun.

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What better way is there to spend your time in lockdown than with a Jerry Miculek instructional video? Well, a WeaselAcres video is of course better, but I mean what normal videos are better? None! Here "Jer" discusses and demonstrates speed and accuracy.

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This guy makes all sorts of videos and examines everday stuff from an engineering perspective through the use of slow-motion photography. I've enjoyed all the ones I've watched so far and this is no exception!

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Last week our pal CK mentioned a planned trip into the Utah desert to find a place to shoot, and here's a report.

The desert exploration is a success. I've really enjoyed exploring all the BLM and Forest Service land around here. I ran river trips all over the west for 20 years and it's like the good old days. I love wandering around in the sticks. As I was driving out I80 I noticed that the DWR range had reopened so I continued to Dell (about 2/3 of the way between Salt Lake and Wendover), found a nice spot and had a nice shoot. On the way home I stopped at the DWR range and shot some more. Utah is a nice place to shoot. I should be skiing 5 days and shooting on Saturdays but that's on hold so shooting a couple or 3 days is nice.

Amazing scenery

It's helpful to take a few warm up shots at 3 meters

Public range

Shooting bench improvements

The western United States is one of my favorite places to shoot. In the desert the air is clear and with such low humidity, the conditions can be just about perfect for long range shooting. I am really, really envious! How about you all - do you have public lands available for shooting?

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As many of you know, I'm a big plan of plinking, or target shooting just for fun and not worrying about scores or making super-teensy groups. Recently, our pal Recreant sent an email describing the same thing.

At the end of your gun thread you always ask if we've been to the range lately. We live in the country so the range is our backyard. I like to plink. I chase cans down the driveway. I put so many holes in a can I can't tell whether or not I'm hitting it. I hang a can from a tree branch by the pull-tab and shoot it until it falls off. The "ball and chain" mocked me as a slayer of cans so I bought a spinner target from Amazon. A .22 LR makes that sucker spin, but a .45 ACP really makes it dance! I have a S & W Victory, a Taurus TX 22 and my trusty Ruger 10/22. I shoot my brother's old Marlin .22 "Autoloader" occasionally, but its a bitch to clean as there's no feature to keep the bolt open.
I'd be interested to know what the other gun morons do in their backyard (keep it clean guys and gals).

Well how about it? Sounds like Recreant has the ideal setup with a range in the backyard. For those of you living in the country, what sort of setup do you have?

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Our pal FungusBoy who has the street name "Little G Money" found this instructional video on gangster style shooting by Jerry Miculek very helpful.

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That's it for this week - have you been to the range?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 07:00 PM

Comments

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1 1st

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at April 05, 2020 07:00 PM (af5xa)

2 Gubs!

Posted by: Charles the Simple at April 05, 2020 07:00 PM (HuH1F)

3 Bang!

Posted by: redc1c4, ONT Rx tech at April 05, 2020 07:00 PM (vwf8z)

4 Darn. Late to the party...

Posted by: Charles the Simple at April 05, 2020 07:01 PM (HuH1F)

5 Bullseye

Posted by: Traveling Man&&&& at April 05, 2020 07:02 PM (R5lpX)

6
g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson
Impeach Whitmer!!!
Because: Reasons!!!
at April 05, 2020 07:02 PM (tfjoP)

7 Miculek isn't human. He's something else. Better. Faster.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 07:03 PM (NWiLs)

8 White House briefing:

https://tinyurl.com/y9xzokbl

Posted by: Panhandler at April 05, 2020 07:04 PM (S/rwf)

9 We wouldn't want the Chinese to lose face now, would we?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 05, 2020 07:05 PM (aKsyK)

10 Revolvers CAN malfunction. I don't think it's common but it does happen, and when it does you're fucked if it locks up the cylinder. At least with a pistol you can clear things like FTFs and FTEs without having to go to a gunsmith. You hope that won't happen in any event, because seconds count.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 07:06 PM (NWiLs)

11 No range this week, but all three weapons (two rifle and a sidearm) got thoroughly cleaned.

My whole basement smells like number 9.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at April 05, 2020 07:06 PM (T8HPM)

12 Miculek isn't human. He's something else. Better. Faster.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 07:03 PM (NWiLs)

Wholly plausible.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 05, 2020 07:06 PM (t+qrx)

13 11 No range this week, but all three weapons (two rifle and a sidearm) got thoroughly cleaned.

My whole basement smells like number 9.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at April 05, 2020 07:06 PM (T8HPM)

All. Three.

*points*
*laughs*

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 07:06 PM (NWiLs)

14 ahhh
brimstone

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 05, 2020 07:06 PM (G546f)

15 As I promised last week, my collection of shells
30mm from a A-10 Gau-8a, 20mm from M61 Vulcan used on fighters like F-15 and a 50 cal casing which we use to dig up in England and a 9mm just for scale
https://i.postIMG.cc/pL0sdyRj/20200403-104833.jpg

Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2020 07:06 PM (ZCEU2)

16 7 Miculek isn't human. He's something else. Better. Faster.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 07:03 PM (NWiLs)
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Crazy, isn't it?

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 07:06 PM (MVjcR)

17 Funny thing, even lo 4 on decades after constant training with small arms, my first 3 shots are my most accurate.
I can go straight up and hit the center ring with my 45ACP or my 5.7 at 40' and each successive shot is usually off to the lower right. Still in the lethal areas but aggravatingly off center.
I think I know why, I mean besides aging problems with vision. But want to hear others suggestions.

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at April 05, 2020 07:07 PM (af5xa)

18 Ah, now I know who put all the holes in every, and I mean every road sign in Nevada. Except maybe Las Vegas.

Posted by: Colin at April 05, 2020 07:07 PM (PWsjb)

19 ranges are closed here in #Failifornia, and i'm not sure if there are any federal lands nearby that are open for shooting...

besides, someone would have a shit hemorrhage at the sound of gun fire, call the cops, and they would undoubtedly overreact, no matter how legal it was, because of course they would.

we've got a slienced 22cal Benjamin air rifle w/scope, but i have to find the scuba tank to recharge it from. i'm not sure, but it may be behind the "pile o'ammo", which means i'm not accessing it soon.

there is also a CO2 pistol, which isn't that accurate, and a full auto CO2 rifle that has never been out of the box... yet.

hmmmmmn.... i think i need to rectify that soon.

Posted by: redc1c4, ONT Rx tech at April 05, 2020 07:08 PM (vwf8z)

20 >>> 13 11 No range this week, but all three weapons (two rifle and a sidearm) got thoroughly cleaned.

My whole basement smells like number 9.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at April 05, 2020 07:06 PM (T8HPM)

All. Three.

*points*
*laughs*
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 07:06 PM (NWiLs)

Gosh, Insom, it's not very nice to make fun of people after their canoe accidents.

Posted by: Helena Handbasket at April 05, 2020 07:08 PM (0ReGO)

21 Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 07:06 PM (NWiLs)

I know, i know. But it's not zero.

And I'm using my time with each one to realize other platforms I want to try.

I think ringing steel at 1,000m is a worthy ambition.

That requires another rifle...

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at April 05, 2020 07:08 PM (T8HPM)

22 Since our range is an outdoor range owned by the USFS, haven't been to the range lately. Some one was building a new gun shop with indoor range, but the Chinese Krud hit before they finished building it.

Posted by: Traveling Man&&&& at April 05, 2020 07:08 PM (R5lpX)

23 Funny thing, even lo 4 on decades after constant training with small arms, my first 3 shots are my most accurate.
Posted by: TSgt Ciz at April 05, 2020 07:07 PM (af5xa)

I'm the exact opposite. I start out lousy and get marginally better after a few magazines.

I probably need to practice more.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 05, 2020 07:08 PM (t+qrx)

24 What Kind of Gun Should I Buy?
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one of each...

#duh

;-)

Posted by: redc1c4, ONT Rx tech at April 05, 2020 07:08 PM (vwf8z)

25 I think ringing steel at 1,000m is a worthy ambition.

That requires another rifle...
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at April 05, 2020 07:08 PM (T8HPM)

Yes it is, and yes it does. Chop chop!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 07:09 PM (NWiLs)

26 Regarding over penetration: Law enforcement moved away from pistol caliber SMGs like the MP5 and Colt SMG (9mm) to the .223/5.56 AR platform because they found less over-penetration in the rifles.

Posted by: elliot at April 05, 2020 07:10 PM (k94B5)

27 What Kind of Gun Should I Buy?
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one of each...

#duh

;-)
Posted by: redc1c4, ONT Rx tech at April 05, 2020 07:08 PM (vwf8z)

Several, regarding shotguns. I want a tactical shotgun in each room of my house.

Just seems like good policy.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Flying Kites at Night at April 05, 2020 07:10 PM (x8Wzq)

28 Furthest I've shot was 500 yards with a Barrett bolt-action single shot .50BMG. Fun as hell.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 07:10 PM (NWiLs)

29 Planning on getting a Ruger Wrangler.22lr pistola once we unlock down.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 05, 2020 07:10 PM (Bd48Y)

30 But want to hear others suggestions.

As you fire the weapon it tends to get lower, you are dropping your head to follow weapon and thus are starting to shoot low and off. Keep your head up, keep your eye on the target, bring the weapon back up to your eye, NOT your eye down to the weapon.

Posted by: Panhandler at April 05, 2020 07:11 PM (S/rwf)

31 Massachusetts shut down all licensing, including renewals. A licensed is required for lawful simple possession in MA. Possession with an expired license is a crime, so they've are minting new criminals every day now for people unable to renew.

The state shut down all commercial FFL's and ranges as 'non-essential' after initially designating them essential. Our cuck Rino governor bent over for the tyrant Karen AG. Local police have also been harassing private clubs to shut down even though they have zero legal authority to do so.

The state also shut down the online transfer portal making impossible to conduct private sales lawfully.

Oh and for shits & giggles all online training courses, including LEOUSA courses were ordered shut down by the Mass State Police, because they don't want people to even be able to take an online safety course at this point.

The 2A in MA is meaningless now because of all this fuckery and if the DoJ Civil Rights Division had any balls a good number of officials in MA would be prosecuted under 18 U.S. Code 242.Deprivation of rights under color of law.

Posted by: Oh no! Not the bees! at April 05, 2020 07:12 PM (N5dam)

32
What Kind of Gun Should I Buy?

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XM109. With the XM1049 HE/DP ammunition.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 05, 2020 07:12 PM (II2Y0)

33 What kind of gun should I buy?

That's easy.

Kimber Custom II..no, wait...Fulton Armory M1 Garand..no, wait, Fulton Armory M1A...no, no, no, custom rifle, 6.5 Creedmore.

Yeah, that's it, that's the tick....

Crud..Ackley Improved 250 Savage?

https://tinyurl.com/y9ge7nvf

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at April 05, 2020 07:12 PM (WEBkv)

34 What kind of gun should I buy?

ALL TEH GUNZZZ!!!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 07:13 PM (NWiLs)

35 Random thing I remember reading maybe 30 years ago, so the details are probably off:

Guy took the bullets out of .22 catridges and shoved the powder-filled case into the cavity of a hollowpoint .45-70. Shot them out of a trapdoor Springfield at a rocky cliffside
a few hundred yards away and watched them explode.

Very irresponsible. Must try.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 05, 2020 07:13 PM (j4zcI)

36 We actually went to the range yesterday! It's technically "outdoors" so was still open. I don't think many people realize it because it was empty. Got in some more rounds on the new Sig and was really comfortable with my Ruger

Posted by: westminsterdogshow.....Coloradomorondezvous2020 at April 05, 2020 07:13 PM (/UQ/R)

37 good afternoon, all.

And a special shout out to Weasel for his gun thread! Much appreciated!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at April 05, 2020 07:13 PM (WEBkv)

38 just occurred to me thatmy common the food thread is also on topic here:

if I ever survive this lockdown, I'm eating ALL the cannoli

Posted by: vmom 2020 at April 05, 2020 07:13 PM (G546f)

39 I wish I had something to add to this thread, but I don't.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 05, 2020 07:13 PM (2JVJo)

40 I usually shoot out on state DNR lands. Wide open, nothing around for several miles and just off an unmaintained county road. Naturally all state lands are closed because the Flu Manchu is on the loose.
WA state has a lot of fascist restrictions in place and I'm at a near constant rage stroke.
It's scrub steppe land and contoured nicely for setting targets up to 300 yards out.
Pistol, shotgun and rifle are all good to go for these areas.

Posted by: Winston a dreg of society at April 05, 2020 07:14 PM (TYQsd)

41 Greetings, fellow hoplophiles. May almost all your Magnums be .41.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 05, 2020 07:14 PM (DMUuz)

42 Practice shooting with either hand, both hands, and gangster style. No telling what you will need to do to prevail over your attackers.

Posted by: Eromero at April 05, 2020 07:14 PM (XhWtx)

43 Regarding over penetration: Law enforcement moved away from pistol caliber SMGs like the MP5 and Colt SMG (9mm) to the .223/5.56 AR platform because they found less over-penetration in the rifles.
Posted by: elliot at April 05, 2020 07:10 PM (k94B5)

I've heard this also (specifically with 5.56mm). I seem to recall The Box o' Truth doing some tests along the lines of what does/doesn't overpenetrate drywall.

https://tinyurl.com/vx37xlx

Posted by: hogmartin at April 05, 2020 07:14 PM (t+qrx)

44 Bought a new Ruger SR22 (.22lr) pistol last Tuesday. Filled out the 4473 and found out that they are so backed up in CO that it would take 6 to 8 days to get the gun. Talked to the sales gal and asked her if they had a lot of first time buyers during the great gun rush of 2020. She said yeah, and when I asked her how surprised they were that they had to fill out the form and wait, she said all of them. Most thought they could just waltz in, buy the gun and a box of shells, and walk out the door.

Posted by: Old Blue at April 05, 2020 07:14 PM (VNmG1)

45 I did get to the range. West Coast Armory being closed started to affect LEO and Mil training, so since they aren't Little People, they had to open the range.

Works for me.

Took my CZ P-07 and the Taurus TX-22 and a bucket of copper washed .22 LR I bought from Academy just before the panic buying started. Unlike the other bucket of soft lead .22's, these copper washed 36 grain HP fed and fired no problem. But the odd thing is....I saw several rounds hit the paper SIDEWAYS at 7 yards, out of a 4" pistol barrel. I can't recall ever seeing that before.

The sights on the TX-22 are still off and I need to get some eyeglass repair kits to adjust the tiny ass rear sight screws. But I'm pretty happy with how well the gun functions. I still prefer the Kadet adapter on my CZ, for accuracy and reliability.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 05, 2020 07:15 PM (d1uFV)

46 brought home a new, to me, gub this week. just happened to stop by the toy store to drop off some eggs for the staff, and they were, for the first day in weeks, not full to ordered capacity, with a waiting list.

went back to the truck, got my gub case and red tape, and made my 2nd CnR acquisition.

i sent some pics to Weasel, so we might see another episode of "WTF is this" in a future thread. i sure as hello had never heard of them before i saw this specimen. not museum quality, by any stretch, but it fits into our basic collection philosophy "weird, unusual and affordable*"

* for various values of the term, based on herself's interest level and current funding status

Posted by: redc1c4, ONT Rx tech at April 05, 2020 07:15 PM (vwf8z)

47 Just curious, but is the facility pictured above-the-fold one where bluebell has served?

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 05, 2020 07:15 PM (DMUuz)

48 Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at April 05, 2020 07:13 PM (WEBkv)
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Thanks, blake!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 07:16 PM (MVjcR)

49 Several, regarding shotguns. I want a tactical shotgun in each room of my house.

Just seems like good policy.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Flying Kites at Night at April 05, 2020 07:10 PM (x8Wzq)

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i meant one of each model and caliber made...

Posted by: redc1c4, ONT Rx tech at April 05, 2020 07:16 PM (vwf8z)

50 Several, regarding shotguns. I want a tactical shotgun in each room of my house.

Just seems like good policy.
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Flying Kites at Night at April 05, 2020 07:10 PM (x8Wzq)

Looks around the room.

Nods in agreement.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 05, 2020 07:17 PM (d1uFV)

51 Massachusetts shut down all licensing, including renewals. A licensed is required for lawful simple possession in MA. Possession with an expired license is a crime, so they've are minting new criminals every day now for people unable to renew.

For realz? Some Moron told me that MA had got better since I lived there. It was a may issue state, by municipality, and became must issue.

What up?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at April 05, 2020 07:17 PM (gd9RK)

52 Posted by: redc1c4, ONT Rx tech at April 05, 2020 07:15 PM (vwf8z)
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Next week!!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 07:18 PM (jUqIO)

53 Miculek isn't human. He's something else. Better. Faster.

My theory is that JM is a cyborg sent from the future to teach us how to defend ourselves from a coming attack by aliens disguised as cardboard rectangles. Prove me wrong.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at April 05, 2020 07:18 PM (qc+VF)

54 "and made my 2nd CnR acquisition."

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Why so coy? We wanna hear what you got. The first one, too. CnRs are always the most interesting.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 05, 2020 07:19 PM (j4zcI)

55 My office mate, whom I miss since we started working remotely, has a hammerless .38 that she likes. She's not a big gun enthusiast, and so finding something that she found comfortable was a good thing.

I still like the 1911 design, but money is tight.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Flying Kites at Night at April 05, 2020 07:19 PM (x8Wzq)

56 Crazy, isn't it?
Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 07:06 PM (MVjcR)
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Yeah, the Miculek will take third place, overall, in national pistol shooting competitions, with a revolver, going up against guys shooting semi-auto's.

That's insane.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at April 05, 2020 07:19 PM (WEBkv)

57 47 Just curious, but is the facility pictured above-the-fold one where bluebell has served?
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 05, 2020 07:15 PM (DMUuz)
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I'm not allowed to say, but yes.

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 07:19 PM (jUqIO)

58 Mark!

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 07:20 PM (NWiLs)

59 41 Greetings, fellow hoplophiles. May almost all your Magnums be .41.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 05, 2020 07:14 PM (DMUuz)

I put my .357 with a .44 during lockdown. No .41s yet.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 05, 2020 07:20 PM (KnJdm)

60
Keep your head up

Good advice.

Posted by: Rod Argent at April 05, 2020 07:20 PM (aKsyK)

61 The chicoms have made mello Mr. Teddy bear Weasel angry. They will not like angry Weasel.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 07:21 PM (BQEAt)

62 I put my .357 with a .44 during lockdown. No .41s yet.
Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at April 05, 2020 07:20 PM (KnJdm)
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Maybe you need to take them to a qualified breeder, like your local gun store.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at April 05, 2020 07:21 PM (WEBkv)

63 "I put my .357 with a .44 during lockdown. No .41s yet."

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Well played, sir, well played.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 05, 2020 07:21 PM (j4zcI)

64
Why so coy? We wanna hear what you got. The first one, too. CnRs are always the most interesting.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 05, 2020 07:19 PM (j4zcI)
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You have to guess next week!!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 07:22 PM (MVjcR)

65 Thanks for another gun thread Weasel. I liked the video on the cannon shoot.

They did a cannon shoot against a water-filled 55 gallon drum at my Hunter Safety class (circa 1980). A great way to get antsy teenage boys to pay attention to the instructors.

They also did a race to cut a 2x4. An AR15 versus 4 guys shooting black powder (I think 50 cal balls). The black powder guys won. The AR15 velocity was so high at that range the holes almost healed after each shot.

Good times!

Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 05, 2020 07:22 PM (tkyK5)

66 You have to guess next week!!
Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 07:22 PM (MVjcR)
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Hmm, I bet I can guess: You pull on a little metal tab and it goes "Boom!"

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at April 05, 2020 07:23 PM (WEBkv)

67 cdnnaports.com is selling a Walther Creed 9mm for $269. Best firearm deal in American today. Good reviews on YouTube.

Posted by: Esteve at April 05, 2020 07:23 PM (2IA0F)

68 62 The chicoms have made mello Mr. Teddy bear Weasel angry. They will not like angry Weasel.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 07:21 PM (BQEAt)
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Yeah!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 07:23 PM (MVjcR)

69 "You have to guess next week!!"

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[rubs toe slowly in dirt]

Ooookaaayyyy.....

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 05, 2020 07:24 PM (j4zcI)

70 I hate to disagree with Weasel, but I honestly gotta say I'd rather teach a new user how to use a Glock/M&P/XD9/Etc polymer striker fired automatic.

Teaching a new shooter to use a striker fired 9mm automatic isn't much harder than teaching them how to load and reload and accurately shoot a .38 revolver.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 05, 2020 07:24 PM (d1uFV)

71 hiya

Posted by: JT at April 05, 2020 07:24 PM (arJlL)

72 Went with the .22 pistol because 1) I have 4,000 rounds of it. 2) With the arthritis getting worse in my hands, it's getting harder to handle the 1911. Sad, because I have 1,000 rounds of .45 acp. And my sister just gifted me her late husband's .12 gauge and and a double barrel .20 gauge shotgun. Now I have 2 .12 gauge shotguns, but I only have about 100 rounds of shot and 40 rounds of slugs. Can't wait to shoot the double barrel.

Posted by: Old Blue at April 05, 2020 07:24 PM (VNmG1)

73 Gunga la gunga

Posted by: JT at April 05, 2020 07:24 PM (arJlL)

74 68 cdnnaports.com is selling a Walther Creed 9mm for $269. Best firearm deal in American today. Good reviews on YouTube.
Posted by: Esteve at April 05, 2020 07:23 PM (2IA0F)

I have one. Solid 9mm pistol.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 07:25 PM (NWiLs)

75 Posted by: Pillage Idiot at April 05, 2020 07:22 PM (tkyK5)
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My pleasure, PI!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 07:25 PM (jUqIO)

76 Gunga la gunga
Posted by: JT at April 05, 2020 07:24 PM (arJlL)
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glad you have that going for you.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at April 05, 2020 07:25 PM (WEBkv)

77 Took both of my Egyptian Rasheeds out to distance this week.

The rear sights are labeled in their language, so I had to look up "100" in Egyptian and figured it out from there....

These carbines are actually marked "Made in the U.A.R" which was the short lived United Arab Republic between Egypt and Syria from 1958 to 1961. Socialists gotta Social.

Now for the good part. These carbines use the same type of sight as the AKM. Both proved to be very accurate out to 600 yards. From 150-250-350-400-500-600 yards it was very easy to adjust the rear slider and pound the steel target two or three times in a row with no issues with off the shelf ammo, old Norinco 7.62 x 39 mm in the old yellow boxes and some mystery Russian stuff on stripper clips.

Sweet shooters. Who would have guessed but I gotta give the Egyptians credit for producing a nice weapon.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 05, 2020 07:26 PM (Z+IKu)

78 Evening, Gub Horde. Evening, Boss.
I have question: is it possible that the mighty and vaunted 6.5 Creedmore shooting 140 g. ELD bullets is not completely stable until after 100 yards?

Posted by: RI Red at April 05, 2020 07:26 PM (I/Eow)

79 Teaching a new shooter to use a striker fired 9mm automatic isn't much harder than teaching them how to load and reload and accurately shoot a .38 revolver.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 05, 2020 07:24 PM (d1uFV)

One point in favor of the striker auto for beginners, in my opinion: Unless it's a DAO revolver, once cocked, it cannot be made safe without pulling the trigger.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 05, 2020 07:26 PM (t+qrx)

80 59 Mark!
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 07:20 PM (NWiLs)

Hey brother!

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 05, 2020 07:27 PM (d1uFV)

81 Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 07:20 PM (NWiLs)

Hey brother!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 05, 2020 07:27 PM (d1uFV)

How's life in lockdown?

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 07:27 PM (NWiLs)

82 underway now

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
�
1h
White House news conference at 6:45 P.M. Eastern. Thank you!

https://www.whitehouse.gov/live/

Posted by: m at April 05, 2020 07:27 PM (M5wRT)

83 At one time, I may have known someone who drilled shotgun slugs, filled the cavity with flash powder and glued a shotgun primer in the nose. A junk car door was shot with interesting results, for science, strictly science.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade a fucking ray of sunshine at April 05, 2020 07:27 PM (bML9A)

84 79 Evening, Gub Horde. Evening, Boss.
I have question: is it possible that the mighty and vaunted 6.5 Creedmore shooting 140 g. ELD bullets is not completely stable until after 100 yards?
Posted by: RI Red at April 05, 2020 07:26 PM (I/Eow)
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Yes. Excessive runout in the bullet/cartridge/bore alignment can cause yaw when the bullet leaves the barrel which can take a second to stabilize.

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 07:29 PM (jUqIO)

85 82 Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 07:20 PM (NWiLs)

Hey brother!
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 05, 2020 07:27 PM (d1uFV)

How's life in lockdown?
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 07:27 PM (NWiLs)

Less than fun. I'm watching Mifune movies on the Criterion streaming channel...trying to cram in as much as I can during the two week free trial.

But otherwise, good as it can be in this insane state in these insane times.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 05, 2020 07:30 PM (d1uFV)

86 To back up Weasel's piece on advising first time gun buyers. Assume nothing.

I've mentioned in the past where I helped some very petite young women, early 20s, on handgun use and purchase. Did they end up with little semi autos or 22lr revolvers? Nope. They preferred shooting a chunky DA revolver in 44 special and purchased a GP100 in 357 magnum. The guns just about outweighed them. And the girl with the GP100 was damn accurate, even with rapid fire drills.

Posted by: JTB at April 05, 2020 07:30 PM (7EjX1)

87 Good evening, Horde!

I am happy to report the acquisition of a fine piece.

S&W Model 66-1, 4" barrel, in pristine condition. I think the original owner put maybe a cylinder of ammo through it. Original box and documents (including 4473). Manufactured in 1978 and purchased hearly Jan 1979. I believe the revolver sat in its box on a shelf in a closet lo these many years.

The box is even in excellent condition. No handling marks, no powder residue on the face of the cylinder. Very faint powder line in the top strap, but no cut can be felt by my fingernail.

Pics next week. Not sure when I can get a chance to shoot it. Handles nicely!

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at April 05, 2020 07:30 PM (di1hb)

88
I shoot black powder some, and am used to the double sound from the cap, then the powder, but was surprised at the apparent double "bang" from the cannon barrels.
What's that about?

Posted by: MarkY at April 05, 2020 07:31 PM (7M6jj)

89 All. Three.

*points*
*laughs*
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 07:06 PM (NWiLs)

*Hangs head in shame*
That's all I have, also. And I haven't been to a range in well over two years. How'm I gonna survive the end of times??

Posted by: April at April 05, 2020 07:31 PM (OX9vb)

90 "Unless it's a DAO revolver, once cocked, it cannot be made safe without pulling the trigger."

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Depress cylinder latch.
Swing out cylinder.
Pull trigger without fear.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 05, 2020 07:32 PM (j4zcI)

91 Sad, because I have 1,000 rounds of .45 acp.

Posted by: Old Blue

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
I'm not sure of the mechanics of how it would be done legally, but I would be willing to help you re-home that 45ACP ammo...
Wouldn't want it to be orphaned and feel unloved.

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at April 05, 2020 07:32 PM (af5xa)

92 Less than fun. I'm watching Mifune movies on the Criterion streaming channel...trying to cram in as much as I can during the two week free trial.

But otherwise, good as it can be in this insane state in these insane times.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 05, 2020 07:30 PM (d1uFV)

I hear you. These are very stupid times indeed. Makes it all the more important to stay occupied as much as possible, I think.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 07:32 PM (NWiLs)

93 How many people do you have in your household unit big enough/old enough to handle firearms proficiently? Let's say 2 which is what we have here. Each of your troops should have a tactical shotgun (Mossberg 590), a battle rifle (AR15), and a handgun (like a G17). Plus a .357 double action revolver and an AK. The ammo allowance is a minimum of 1K for each firearm so that's 10K rounds assorted. See where we're going here? Defending your home is serious business enough and we have not even talked about outside maneuver.

Posted by: Eromero at April 05, 2020 07:32 PM (XhWtx)

94 *Hangs head in shame*
That's all I have, also. And I haven't been to a range in well over two years. How'm I gonna survive the end of times??
Posted by: April at April 05, 2020 07:31 PM

Do you at least have a good colander that you can turn into a face mask?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 05, 2020 07:32 PM (ejd/p)

95 Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at April 05, 2020 07:30 PM (di1hb)
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Sweet! Congratulations!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 07:33 PM (MVjcR)

96 Heard an new to me term a while back- simunition. Is this another word for blanks or something different?

Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 07:33 PM (BQEAt)

97 Pics next week. Not sure when I can get a chance to shoot it. Handles nicely!
Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at April 05, 2020 07:30 PM (di1hb)

Congrats on a fine aquisition!

I inherited a pair of k-frames and they are beautiful revolvers.

Posted by: ghbucky at April 05, 2020 07:33 PM (s9Eo8)

98 Old Blue, you're gonna love that Ruger SR22. Great little shooter and fits my hands nicely. Mimics its big brother semiautos in various calibers. Great for teaching new shooters.
Talk about a plinking pistol.

Posted by: RI Red at April 05, 2020 07:33 PM (I/Eow)

99 How'm I gonna survive the end of times??

Posted by: April at April 05, 2020 07:31 PM (OX9vb)

You'll be fine. You know us :-)

If you have a skill and can operate a weapon platform, you'd be welcome here, probably at Weasel's, and amultitude of other places.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at April 05, 2020 07:33 PM (T8HPM)

100 Our backyard range is down a hill to a creek bottom with swamp and woods behind it. We usually just shoot .22 and sometimes 9mm so I don't get rusty. Anything larger we go down to the family farm where you can shoot whatever you want.

I save old light bulbs to use for targets. The little candelabra ones are fun.

Posted by: freakdd at April 05, 2020 07:34 PM (Tnijr)

101 "S&W Model 66-1, 4" barrel, in pristine condition."

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Yummy. And ampersanded, even! Is that the stainless version of the Model 19?

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 05, 2020 07:35 PM (j4zcI)

102
You'll be fine. You know us :-)

If you have a skill and can operate a weapon platform, you'd be welcome here, probably at Weasel's, and amultitude of other places.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at April 05, 2020 07:33 PM (T8HPM)
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Yep!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 07:35 PM (MVjcR)

103
Open Blogger; also carry Sig 239 in 9mm. Where can I buy more mags?

Posted by: azalea city at April 05, 2020 07:35 PM (WX+x0)

104 How level are most of the ranges that you shoot at?

Posted by: freakdd at April 05, 2020 07:35 PM (Tnijr)

105 Depress cylinder latch.
Swing out cylinder.
Pull trigger without fear.
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 05, 2020 07:32 PM (j4zcI)

I've only ever owned one revolver, and I don't have it anymore, but I could've sworn the cylinder was locked when it was cocked and couldn't be unlatched (it was pushed towards the forcing cone).

Is that not common? Am I misremembering?

Posted by: hogmartin at April 05, 2020 07:36 PM (t+qrx)

106 97 Heard an new to me term a while back- simunition. Is this another word for blanks or something different?
Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 07:33 PM (BQEAt)

They're like paintball for actual firearms.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 07:36 PM (NWiLs)

107 Shotgun Day! Got out to a buddies farm this afternoon and patterned my turkey gun (Benelli SBEII). Not a very enjoyable experience, but necessary. But I also managed to put about 60 rounds through the Tavor TS12. It hiccuped a few times, but never on 2 3/4" heavy stuff. And that's what it's designed to shoot.

Posted by: PacosMojo at April 05, 2020 07:36 PM (ivZ+f)

108 91 "Unless it's a DAO revolver, once cocked, it cannot be made safe without pulling the trigger."

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Depress cylinder latch.
Swing out cylinder.
Pull trigger without fear.

Nope. Not for a S&W double action at least. I just went and tried it with a model 60 because I was thinking the same thing. Cylinder latch is locked when the hammer is cocked.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at April 05, 2020 07:36 PM (qc+VF)

109 Buddy of mine bought a replica Navy model cap and ball revolver.

I got a chance to shoot it a while back. Those things are FUN as hell to shoot. It's a very different experience.

Also very interesting to load.

Posted by: ghbucky at April 05, 2020 07:36 PM (s9Eo8)

110
Open Blogger; also carry Sig 239 in 9mm. Where can I buy more mags?
Posted by: azalea city at April 05, 2020 07:35 PM (WX+x0)
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I haven't bought magazines in a while. Have you tried an online place like Midway?

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 07:37 PM (MVjcR)

111 Why so coy? We wanna hear what you got. The first one, too. CnRs are always the most interesting.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 05, 2020 07:19 PM (j4zcI)

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because this one is an oddity, and, as Weasel poasted just above you, it will be part of next week's gub thread.

my first was a 1954 Ruger Mk 1, just because Herself want's all the things, and the price was right.

Posted by: redc1c4, ONT Rx tech at April 05, 2020 07:38 PM (vwf8z)

112 Yes. Excessive runout in the bullet/cartridge/bore alignment can cause yaw when the bullet leaves the barrel which can take a second to stabilize.
Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 07:29 PM (jUqIO)

These are seated long, right close to the lands.
Please tell me about "excessive runout".

Posted by: RI Red at April 05, 2020 07:38 PM (I/Eow)

113 "S&W Model 66-1, 4" barrel, in pristine condition."

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Yummy. And ampersanded, even! Is that the stainless version of the Model 19?
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto

We carried those at the prison farms.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 05, 2020 07:39 PM (Bd48Y)

114 104
Open Blogger; also carry Sig 239 in 9mm. Where can I buy more mags?
Posted by: azalea city at April 05, 2020 07:35 PM (WX+x0)

Sigsauerguns dot com

They aren't cheap.

You might also check Mec Gar

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 05, 2020 07:39 PM (d1uFV)

115 Posted by: TSgt Ciz at April 05, 2020 07:32 PM (af5xa)

Thanks Sarge! I'll keep you in mind if I decide all that ammo needs a new home

Posted by: Old Blue at April 05, 2020 07:39 PM (VNmG1)

116 Insom, Thanks, This may be the answer to the scoot and shoot function at the MoMe. No need to worry about stray shots.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 07:39 PM (BQEAt)

117 117 Insom, Thanks, This may be the answer to the scoot and shoot function at the MoMe. No need to worry about stray shots.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 07:39 PM (BQEAt)

They're expensive and require conversion kits, also expensive.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 07:40 PM (NWiLs)

118 Open Blogger; also carry Sig 239 in 9mm. Where can I buy more mags?
Posted by: azalea city at April 05, 2020 07:35 PM (WX+x0)
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I haven't bought magazines in a while. Have you tried an online place like Midway?
Posted by: Weasel

PSA & CDNN.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 05, 2020 07:40 PM (Bd48Y)

119 Please tell me about "excessive runout".
Posted by: RI Red at April 05, 2020 07:38 PM (I/Eow)
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Runout is when the bullet isn't in perfect alignment with the case and starts down the barrel at an offset. You need another tool to measure it.

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 07:41 PM (jUqIO)

120 Used some down time today to reload 700 rounds of 9mm. Well, the first 200 went to refilling empty magazines.
Shades of the SCOAMF there is a run on ammo and reloading supplies. I use Berry's a lot, and their heavier offerings are all sold out.
Has anybody else notice a behavior in 9mm where lighter rounds, 124g and lower, tumble rather than spiral? Happens to me with factory rounds and reloads on several non-canoe accident survivors.

Posted by: Carpe Manana at April 05, 2020 07:41 PM (bIrK9)

121 *Hangs head in shame*
That's all I have, also. And I haven't been to a range in well over two years. How'm I gonna survive the end of times??
Posted by: April at April 05, 2020 07:31 PM (OX9vb)
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"Beware the man with one gun, for he surely knows how to use it."

It isn't quantity; it's about proficiency.

that said, if you know what you have, and you've used them, then you're ahead of a lot of people in this country. Especially the yahoos that ran out and just had to buy a gun, never mind they probably have very little idea how to use their purchase.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at April 05, 2020 07:42 PM (WEBkv)

122 Ah, I stand corrected. Cylinder does indeed lock up.

Shows how many times that has been an issue.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 05, 2020 07:42 PM (j4zcI)

123 Weasel , no but will do. Bought a pair of 239s and will give grandson the new one. Thought I'd try to get some extra mags for him. He is truly a man of arms. Couldn't be more proud.

Posted by: azalea city at April 05, 2020 07:42 PM (WX+x0)

124 Insom, Thanks, This may be the answer to the scoot and shoot function at the MoMe. No need to worry about stray shots.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 07:39 PM (BQEAt)

If you're talking about Simunitions, I don't believe they're available for non-LEO or military. It's a kit, you swap out the barrel for a blue one.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 05, 2020 07:42 PM (t+qrx)

125 96 Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at April 05, 2020 07:30 PM (di1hb)
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Sweet! Congratulations!
Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 07:33 PM (MVjcR)

Thanks!

Interesting how I came by it. Several months ago, Son came across it and called me about it. He does call every so often for firearms advice. He told me the condition and price and I advised him to jump on it, so he did.

This morning, he called to say he was going to drop by to visit. He lives an hour or so south of us, but was coming up to purchase a couple of H&R single shots - a 10 Ga shotgun and a 22 Hornet. Fellow he was dealing with is a S&W fan and the two of them got to talking . . .

Son felt it was too nice a piece to just shoot for fun (I disagee. Besides, it's called a "Combat Magnum") and he's not into collecting S&W's, so he was wanting to sell the Model 66 I told him to buy. He asked advice on pricing, etc.

I finally told him, "If he doesn't want to meet your price, heck, I'd love to buy it myself."

He said, "Sold, Dad" and just wanted what he paid for it, which was a very nice price.

I am tickled. Now, I need to get that Model 610. Son got one in the Fall and I took it to the range one day. That one has a 6" barrel and shooting 10mm from it is a joy.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at April 05, 2020 07:42 PM (di1hb)

126 Clean up on aisle 52.

Posted by: PacosMojo at April 05, 2020 07:43 PM (ivZ+f)

127 Insom, can you give me a rough ballpark figure or a place to look?

Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 07:43 PM (BQEAt)

128 124 Weasel , no but will do. Bought a pair of 239s and will give grandson the new one. Thought I'd try to get some extra mags for him. He is truly a man of arms. Couldn't be more proud.
Posted by: azalea city at April 05, 2020 07:42 PM (WX+x
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Nice! Some other good suggestions just above.

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 07:43 PM (jUqIO)

129 Buddy of mine bought a replica Navy model cap and ball revolver.
I got a chance to shoot it a while back. Those things are FUN as hell to shoot. It's a very different experience.
Also very interesting to load.
Posted by: ghbucky at April 05, 2020 07:36 PM (s9Eo

Very Cool GH!

Old skool......

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 05, 2020 07:44 PM (Z+IKu)

130 Do you at least have a good colander that you can turn into a face mask?
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 05, 2020 07:32 PM (ejd/p)

Yes!

Also, I can sew, and I have one of those human-powered sewing machines, so there's that. I can earn my keep.

Posted by: April at April 05, 2020 07:44 PM (OX9vb)

131 Thanks rickb223.

Posted by: azalea city at April 05, 2020 07:44 PM (WX+x0)

132 Pistol mags--Chip McCormick, Greg Cote, MagShack. There are many.

Posted by: Eromero at April 05, 2020 07:44 PM (XhWtx)

133 I went looking for a project gun yesterday,and came up with a classic American sock drawer gun, an Iver Johnson Cadet, .32 SW long. These were made from the 60s to the end of the trail for IJ in the late 80's early 90's (at least in Fitchburg, MA). This didn't need too much, having just a few rust freckles. It appears to have had the usual five to ten rounds run through it and thrown in a drawer, not even having any flash on the front of the cylinder. What it needs, and it functions fine without it, is the loading gate and screw. I Imagine the proud owner in the sixties just had to take the thing off, dropped the screw in the shag carpet, and lost track of the loading gate. I went to Numrich, and they have the gate and screw, but the Governor has them closed, thank you. Anyway, I took it over to the levee, ran twenty rounds through it (came with a box and a half), and remembered 32s are fun to shoot.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at April 05, 2020 07:45 PM (C1Lsn)

134 It pays to go to estate sales. Here is a new pretty that I picked up for cash this week.

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmMpmhpr

This little pistol may have one of the best triggers that I have squeezed. Custom M1911 good. About 1/8 of take up and then it comes up unmistakably on the sear and then about 3-4lbs later breaks like a glass rod.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 05, 2020 07:45 PM (yQpMk)

135 hogmartin, Thanks. So much for that idea.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 07:45 PM (BQEAt)

136 Miculek 12 rounds from a revolver in under 3 seconds;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNFW8eSzb44

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at April 05, 2020 07:45 PM (3DZIZ)

137 Very Cool GH!

Old skool......
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 05, 2020 07:44 P

It was awesome, but I couldn't hit crap with it.

How in the hell those old school gunfighters could do 100 yard shots, I have no idea.

Posted by: ghbucky at April 05, 2020 07:46 PM (s9Eo8)

138 Ben Had:

https://simunition.com/en/

Posted by: hogmartin at April 05, 2020 07:46 PM (t+qrx)

139 102 "S&W Model 66-1, 4" barrel, in pristine condition."

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Yummy. And ampersanded, even! Is that the stainless version of the Model 19?
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 05, 2020 07:35 PM (j4zcI)

Yes, exactly. And it's an early enough version to have the pinned barrel and counter-bored (i.e. recessed) chambers. Gonna be on a S&W bender this year, I think!

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at April 05, 2020 07:46 PM (di1hb)

140 Also, I can sew, and I have one of those human-powered sewing machines, so there's that. I can earn my keep.

Posted by: April at April 05, 2020 07:44 PM (OX9vb)

Aaaaaand welcome to Nearsider Alamo.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, LOL, get fucked at April 05, 2020 07:46 PM (T8HPM)

141 not sure the revolver makes sense as a recommendation to a new gun owner.

if somebody is going to wander down the road to having too many guns in too many calibers then maybe.

however, if you are somebody that is the average age of a hq commenter that has never owned even a gun you are not going to be somebody that is going to own many guns.

if you are going to own a gun then you should get a 9mm semi-auto that holds 15-17 rounds.

Posted by: not so at April 05, 2020 07:47 PM (HALdu)

142 hogmartin, Thanks. So much for that idea.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 07:45 PM (BQEAt)

Unless you happen to know any local LEOs.

*walks away whistling nonchalantly*

Posted by: hogmartin at April 05, 2020 07:47 PM (t+qrx)

143 Also, I can sew, and I have one of those human-powered sewing machines, so there's that. I can earn my keep.

A skilled sandwich technician is always welcome.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade a fucking ray of sunshine at April 05, 2020 07:47 PM (bML9A)

144 52 Over 1000 so far of US doctors who have seen and treated SARS2 have had to sign a petition to send in to Fox News and to spread around the conservative conspiracy groups that this is real and to stop downplaying it because it's getting people killed.
t. multiple doctors who are friends of my family
Posted by: it begins... at April 05, 2020 07:18 PM (MRjKr)

where where they 2-3 months ago, if they are so fucking smart

popping ass pimples, probs

PS Fuck you

Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2020 07:47 PM (rpxSz)

145 Spare mag advice for newbies:

If you buy aftermarket mags, Mec-Gar are excellent. They build mags for many OEMs.

Triple K and Pro Mag are to be avoided.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 05, 2020 07:47 PM (j4zcI)

146 OK, then.
Another tool.
And what would that be, Boss?

Posted by: RI Red at April 05, 2020 07:47 PM (I/Eow)

147 146 OK, then.
Another tool.
And what would that be, Boss?
Posted by: RI Red at April 05, 2020 07:47 PM (I/Eow)
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Runout measurer!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 07:48 PM (jUqIO)

148 Thanks Eromero. AoS never fails.

Posted by: azalea city at April 05, 2020 07:48 PM (WX+x0)

149 145....

Definitely concur regarding Pro Mag.

Posted by: PacosMojo at April 05, 2020 07:48 PM (ivZ+f)

150 not sure the revolver makes sense as a recommendation to a new gun owner.

I would disagree. The point-and-click interface is good for noobs. They don't have to practice their manual of arms before they can rely on it going bang.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 05, 2020 07:48 PM (yQpMk)

151 127 Insom, can you give me a rough ballpark figure or a place to look?
Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 07:43 PM (BQEAt)

Hogmartin may be right about the availability to civilians, but definitely check their website.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 07:48 PM (NWiLs)

152 Trump should just tell'em to fuck off.

Posted by: azalea city at April 05, 2020 07:49 PM (WX+x0)

153 Oh, and another thing about Son's visit. We decided to go halvsies on a Dillon press. While that is good news, the great part about it is where I put him to work helping re-organize the basement. The former "Holly Hobby" room (where he and I built many a model rocket, but is now just holiday decoration storage) will become a full fledged reloading room.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at April 05, 2020 07:49 PM (di1hb)

154 I don't know if this means anything or has significance but on a couple of gun forums there have been more than usual the number of questions about getting SA revolvers. This is mostly for fun plinking. The questioner may be experienced with autos or long guns but not SAs.

One poster had a choice of a Ruger Blackhawk in 30 Carbine, 357, or 41 magnum and wanted suggestions for the caliber and why. I was pleased, and surprised, when most pushed the 41 magnum. Other questions concerned getting started with cap and ball percussion revolvers. I can think of many reasons to go with SA revolvers but don't know what's prompting greater interest.

Just an observation.

Posted by: JTB at April 05, 2020 07:49 PM (7EjX1)

155 if you are going to own a gun then you should get a 9mm semi-auto that holds 15-17 rounds.
Posted by: not so at April 05, 2020 07:47 PM (HALdu)

The counterpoint to that would be that clearing malfunctions takes practice.

If a dud round shows up in the cylinder of a revolver, just pull the trigger again.

Posted by: ghbucky at April 05, 2020 07:49 PM (s9Eo8)

156 no matter what

you can't beat something

with nothing

Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2020 07:50 PM (rpxSz)

157 Also, I can sew, and I have one of those human-powered sewing machines, so there's that. I can earn my keep.
Posted by: April at April 05, 2020 07:44 PM

Cool. I have my grandmother's old Singer. It's currently doing duty as a table in my upstairs hall.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 05, 2020 07:50 PM (ejd/p)

158 Why doesn't Trump test out our trebuchet treatment with little beardy twat reporters?

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 05, 2020 07:50 PM (DY3v8)

159 When I went in to fill out the 4473 on the Ruger, this young kid comes in and says he wants to buy a gun. Guy asked him for carry or home defense and the kid says both. Sales guy pulls a Glock off the rack, clears and safes the gun and hands it to the kid. First thing the kid does is put his finger on the trigger. I really really really wanted to tell him to get his booger hook off the bang stick, but it wasn't really my place. A future firearm accident in the making.

Posted by: Old Blue at April 05, 2020 07:50 PM (VNmG1)

160 How level are your ranges? It seems out here I'm nearly always shooting uphill. Not too much, but I'm usually shooting towards a mountain.

Posted by: ck at April 05, 2020 07:50 PM (Gf0Po)

161 April, I have a human-powered one as well as an electric. I do need a new "leather strap" for the human-powered one. Maybe the vac/sewing repair shop could make me one. Any other ideas?

Posted by: Infidel at April 05, 2020 07:50 PM (vF+fs)

162 The best gun is always the gun you have with you.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 05, 2020 07:50 PM (yQpMk)

163 >>>For a first time gun owner, someone who has little or no experience with
firearms who decides one day to arm themselves, I'd recommend a
revolver in .38 Special. For decades this cartridge was the standard for
police sidearms, and with self-defense ammunition it has plenty of
stopping power.<<<

Just want to point out that if you're also planning for the burning times, when ammo may be hard to come by, .38 Special will fit in a .357 Magnum(or so I've been told). So if you have a .357 Mag, there are two calibers that will fit, and it's a good self defense revolver.

Posted by: davidt at April 05, 2020 07:51 PM (l3+k2)

164
How in the hell those old school gunfighters could do 100 yard shots, I have no idea.
Posted by: ghbucky

Supposedly, longest ever recorded truly was Wild Bill Hickok in Springfield, Mo., at about 25 yards.
He used his left arm to steady his pistol.

Posted by: MarkY at April 05, 2020 07:51 PM (7M6jj)

165 Follow the money...

https://bit.ly/34aKCaQ

Bill Gates (of Event 201 and major donor to the WHO fame... among other things...).
===

Then a few seconds later, at 33:45, Gates drops another bomb:

We don't want to have a lot of recovered people [ ... ] To be clear, we're trying --- through the shut-down in the United States --- to not get to one percent of the population infected. We're well below that today, but with exponentiation, you could get past that three million [people or approximately one percent of the U.S. population being infected with COVID-19 and the vast majority recovering]. I believe we will be able to avoid that with having this economic pain."

It appears that rather than let the population be exposed to the virus and most develop antibodies that give them natural, long-lasting immunity to COVID-19, Gates and his colleagues far prefer to create a vast, hugely expensive, new system of manufacturing and selling billions of test kits, and in parallel very quickly developing and selling billions of antivirals and vaccines.

And then, when the virus comes back again a few months later and most of the population is unexposed and therefore vulnerable, selling billions more test kits and medical interventions.

Right after that, at 34:14, Gates talked about how he sees things rolling out from there.

Eventually what we'll have to have is certificates of who's a recovered person, who's a vaccinated person [ ... ] Because you don't want people moving around the world where you'll have some countries that won't have it under control, sadly. You don't want to completely block off the ability for people to go there and come back and move around. So eventually there will be this digital immunity proof that will help facilitate the global reopening up."

Posted by: Clyde Shelton at April 05, 2020 07:51 PM (Do5/p)

166 146 OK, then.
Another tool.
And what would that be, Boss?
Posted by: RI Red at April 05, 2020 07:47 PM (I/Eow)
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It's a little gizmo that measures concentricity. A concentricity gage.

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 07:51 PM (jUqIO)

167 OK, then.
Another tool.
And what would that be, Boss?
Posted by: RI Red at April 05, 2020 07:47 PM (I/Eow)
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Runout measurer!
Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 07:48 PM

Weasel will be here all week, folks. Try the veal!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 05, 2020 07:51 PM (ejd/p)

168 Weasel is your range pretty level? I suppose it doesn't matter too much as long as the target height is the same as the shooter, but our case targets would need to be 20' up to be level.

Posted by: freakdd at April 05, 2020 07:51 PM (Tnijr)

169 Autos have a softer, slower recoil impulse than revolvers too.

This can never be answered; if you want a gun - one gun - go shoot both types.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 05, 2020 07:51 PM (t+qrx)

170 Grump 928 - that Beretta is an eye-talian beauty.

And a threaded barrel? Secret-agent gun right there. You need a fine suit to go with that.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 05, 2020 07:51 PM (j4zcI)

171 hogmartin, index finger to chin, hmmmm.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 07:52 PM (BQEAt)

172 Supposedly, longest ever recorded truly was Wild Bill Hickok in Springfield, Mo., at about 25 yards.
He used his left arm to steady his pistol.
Posted by: MarkY at April 05, 2020 07:51 PM (7M6jj)

Ahh, you are right. 75 ft per Wikipedia.

I thought I had read somewhere it was a 100 yd shot.

Musta read it on the internet.

Posted by: ghbucky at April 05, 2020 07:52 PM (s9Eo8)

173
Hickok shootout.
https://tinyurl.com/tslqoyt

Posted by: MarkY at April 05, 2020 07:53 PM (7M6jj)

174 Cool. I have my grandmother's old Singer. It's currently doing duty as a table in my upstairs hall.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 05, 2020 07:50 PM (ejd/p)

I've got a couple of Consews

IF you ever want to get serious

Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2020 07:53 PM (rpxSz)

175 The counterpoint to that would be that clearing malfunctions takes practice.

If a dud round shows up in the cylinder of a revolver, just pull the trigger again.
Posted by: ghbucky at April 05, 2020

It is sometimes worse with a revolver but sure.

The thing is, if you are new to guns, would you rather have the mag depth of a revolver or a semi auto?

Would you rather have to train to speed reload a revolver or a semi auto?

Going with the revolver is good if you are interested in starting from scratch and going to dojo master, however, if you need to get up to speed for home defense fast get the semi-auto.

Posted by: not so at April 05, 2020 07:53 PM (HALdu)

176 Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2020 07:53 PM

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 05, 2020 07:54 PM (ejd/p)

177
ghbucky
Course Little Big Man coulda beat that!
("I was a terrible liar in my gunfighting days")

Posted by: MarkY at April 05, 2020 07:54 PM (7M6jj)

178 "I can think of many reasons to go with SA revolvers but don't know what's prompting greater interest"

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Westworld.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 05, 2020 07:54 PM (j4zcI)

179 Course Little Big Man coulda beat that!
("I was a terrible liar in my gunfighting days")
Posted by: MarkY at April 05, 2020 07:54 PM (7M6jj)

Ha!

Posted by: ghbucky at April 05, 2020 07:55 PM (s9Eo8)

180 Miculek is fast, fast, fast. The pioneer of this kind of shooting was "Lightning" Ed McGivern. Guy put 5 rounds into an ace of spades in 5/8 of a second. Short, dumpy looking guy like me. I believe that shooting by McGivern had Underwriters lab watching.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at April 05, 2020 07:55 PM (C1Lsn)

181 Reporters telling Trump he should let the science determine if HZ drugs work.

Trump should tell him, "Look, we know with decades of certainty that at the worst the drugs will not hurt most patients, and those in that small risk group are well known. So there is literally near zero downside to giving them the drugs. *AND* in order to do what you pretentiously call "letting science determine" efficacy means leaving half of some statistically large group to die when we know with certainty that at the very least, we could give them something that has a high probability of helping according to observed case studies. So what person you love would you let suffer to die for science?"

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at April 05, 2020 07:55 PM (af5xa)

182 And a threaded barrel? Secret-agent gun right there.

It has a somewhat less than common 1/2 x 20 thread. It came with an adapter to take it to X 24 but because the diameters are so close it is quite long. I'm going to get a 1/2 x 20 to 5/8 x 24 adapter. That will allow the barrel to be inside the adapter outer threads and so be short, and coincidentally, is the size of the rifle adapter that I have for my existing can.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 05, 2020 07:56 PM (yQpMk)

183 87 ... "S&W Model 66-1, 4" barrel, in pristine condition. I think the original owner put maybe a cylinder of ammo through it."

IMG, Congrats on the model 66. There should be several centuries of fun shooting in it. They have a sterling reputation. Everyone should own at least one K-frame Smith.

Posted by: JTB at April 05, 2020 07:56 PM (7EjX1)

184 168 Weasel is your range pretty level? I suppose it doesn't matter too much as long as the target height is the same as the shooter, but our case targets would need to be 20' up to be level.
Posted by: freakdd at April 05, 2020 07:51 PM (Tnijr)
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Mine is pretty level, with a hill rising behind the targets.

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 07:56 PM (jUqIO)

185 161 Infidel, I need a new strap, too. I found one on amazon. Haven't bought it yet, but it's not expensive, if I remember correctly. Like, 15-20 bucks. I better get on that.

Posted by: April at April 05, 2020 07:57 PM (OX9vb)

186 Weasel writes
The threat of social disorder and mayhem is always a great motivator when it comes to people thinking about protecting themselves, their loved ones, and their stuff.

It's not a threat, it's a promise. This leads to GnuBreed's Law, which sez

After a natural disaster, the looters ALWAYS come out.

This one (natural or Chinese engineered, same diff here) is no exception. Reports of business burglaries are soaring in Houston, and especially NYC. Businesses forced to close are boarding up their windows all over, like in Beverly Hills!, Chicago's Magnificent Mile, SF, NYC, and so on.

*business idea -- crowbar resistant plywood*

And it won't take long for them to move on to individuals. And police in multiple jurisdictions are NOT responding to home burglaries. File a report online, they instruct us. La de dah.

And lastly, I can't help but note that all the places resorting to boarding up so far are Dem led. Go figure.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 05, 2020 07:57 PM (Z4rgH)

187 Reporter telling Trump he was standing too close to Pence.

Posted by: Tami at April 05, 2020 07:57 PM (cF8AT)

188 And now the "concerned reporters" are on Trump about why he isn't wearing a mask and is allowing his team get close to him...

Because they just HAVE to find something to pick at and bitch about him over.

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at April 05, 2020 07:58 PM (af5xa)

189 Well, OK, then!

Here's what's been happening: My reloads are the tits - .5", except for one flyer a full inch right. Factory Match ammo, less than inch, with a couple of flyers right.
Same above rounds, destroying clays at 300 yds, so I'm thinking that looong bullet has got to be going in straight to the lands or it will yaw a bit until further down range.
So, any suggestions on the bullet thingamajiggy?

Posted by: RI Red at April 05, 2020 07:58 PM (I/Eow)

190 Some big hulking dude just kicked in your door and you can only get off one shot. What should it be? With that .38 special you better hope to hit a vital organ with your one slug.

12ga 00 buck is nine .33 cal slugs. I like those odds a little better.

Seriously though, some villains are damn near bullet proof taking several slugs and surviving.

Posted by: TakeFive at April 05, 2020 07:59 PM (uvVVT)

191 "anyone who simply says "buy X" without knowing anything else isn't doing you any favors"

Truth. No product worth spending real money on is one size fits all. Speaking as someone in sales, qualifying is everything. Know your customers, or get used to returns.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 05, 2020 07:59 PM (5ThFE)

192 Go back and take another look at the situation I described - a recommendation for someone who is going to buy a gun, maybe shoot 50 rounds through it, and stick it in a sock drawer. That's who I'd recommend a revolver to. Plus, I like revolvers.

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 07:59 PM (jUqIO)

193 Posted by: April at April 05, 2020 07:57

I guess I would have to measure first. Mine is a Singer with six side drawers. It belonged to my great aunt. Daughter has the one that belonged to my mother, a White with four side drawers.

Posted by: Infidel at April 05, 2020 08:00 PM (vF+fs)

194 Mr Weasel, I am trying to bolster the morale of my staff by creating promotion opportunities. What size artillery shell should I use to create these openings?

Posted by: Kim Jong Un at April 05, 2020 08:00 PM (DY3v8)

195 Plus, I like revolvers.

Begun the action wars have.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 05, 2020 08:00 PM (yQpMk)

196 And it won't take long for them to move on to individuals. And police in multiple jurisdictions are NOT responding to home burglaries. File a report online, they instruct us. La de dah.

I'll just drag the body out to the curb. They can pick it up when they have time.

That's what sucks about this quarantine. I'm home 24/7 now.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 05, 2020 08:01 PM (Bd48Y)

197 147 146 OK, then.
Another tool.
And what would that be, Boss?
Posted by: RI Red at April 05, 2020 07:47 PM (I/Eow)
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Runout measurer!
Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 07:48 PM (jUqIO)

Heh. The thing that goes round!

Look up concentricity gauge.

Another thing that can happen with seating runout (bullet in the bore and not pointed exactly down the bore's centerline) is bullet deformation.

There's a lot of force kicking that bullet in the butt and things aren't line up. It's worst with soft cast bullets, but it can happen to a jacketed one.

So center of gravity is not on the center of rotation, until the bullet leaves the muzzle. Along with yaw, the bullet makes a lateral jump as the center of rotation moves to the center of gravity.

Won't make a lot of difference at short ranges, but it will mess you up at long range.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at April 05, 2020 08:01 PM (di1hb)

198 "12ga 00 buck is nine .33 cal slugs. I like those odds a little better."

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Yeah, if you're only buying one gun and you're certain you're not going to carry, I like Mr. 870 for home defense.

What's the old joke? "I use my pistol to get to my shotgun."

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at April 05, 2020 08:02 PM (j4zcI)

199 192 Weasel, another advantage to revolvers for the night stand or dresser drawer is spring compression, or lack thereof. I know it isn't a problem anymore with modern metallurgy, but there's always the chance. Wolf sells a lot of replacement springs, and not just for trigger jobs.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at April 05, 2020 08:02 PM (C1Lsn)

200 I was looking at WeaselWisdom above, my only answer is that people need to find a firearm they are comfortable with, because comfort=practice.

454 Casull is cool, but might make one shy away from regular practice.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at April 05, 2020 08:02 PM (WEBkv)

201 190
Some big hulking dude just kicked in your door and you can only get off
one shot. What should it be? With that .38 special you better hope to
hit a vital organ with your one slug.

12ga 00 buck is nine .33 cal slugs. I like those odds a little better.

Seriously though, some villains are damn near bullet proof taking several slugs and surviving.

Posted by: TakeFive
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

The right answer is NOT caliber based, it is user based.
The right weapon is the one the shooter and deploy quickly and with accuracy. A .45 hole in the door frame is far less efficient than a .22 hole in the middle of the intruders chest and forehead.

I swear I do tire of the caliber wars.

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at April 05, 2020 08:02 PM (af5xa)

202 As for .38 special: I'd say step up to a .357. You have the option of using .38, .38 +P, and .357 increasing your ammo sourcing options.

Posted by: TakeFive at April 05, 2020 08:03 PM (uvVVT)

203 Here comes the new gotcha served up by NBC and all others are running with it in seconds.

TRUMP DENIES PROMOTING HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE. HE LIES. HE LIES.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 05, 2020 08:03 PM (+fPHo)

204 Yep on 38 and 357. Have a S&W 6 shooter model 19 and practice with 38 loads, but carry .357 defensive load. Have often carried 6 shooter as backup to sig 239. I wear clip on suspenders (Dickie brand) with belt. Easy to carry both guns and reloads, weight on shoulders.

Posted by: azalea city at April 05, 2020 08:03 PM (WX+x0)

205
So, any suggestions on the bullet thingamajiggy?
Posted by: RI Red at April 05, 2020 07:58 PM (I/Eow)
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Try either 21st Century Shooting, or PMI. I think Sinclair makes one too.

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 08:03 PM (jUqIO)

206 And it won't take long for them to move on to individuals. And police in multiple jurisdictions are NOT responding to home burglaries. File a report online, they instruct us. La de dah.
Posted by: GnuBreed at April 05, 2020 07:57 PM

Can I shoot an intruder in the face, dump them in the alley dumpster, and then just file an online report? Um... asking for a friend.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at April 05, 2020 08:03 PM (5ThFE)

207 Drove Mrs. E's truck to work the other day. Reached in the back floorboard looking for the windshield sunscreen and felt a rifle case. She needs to clean out her truck.

Posted by: Eromero at April 05, 2020 08:03 PM (XhWtx)

208 OMG...a reporter just ask "why not just shut everything down. We still have grocery stores open. Shouldn't you just shut it all down."

I may throw a large object at my TV....

Posted by: Tami at April 05, 2020 08:03 PM (cF8AT)

209 Infidel, I just looked again--you can get a 100 ft roll of the leather belting for $95. And there are lots of kits for the hooks to hold the ends together, under $10 for just hooks up to over $100 for multi-tool kits and pieces.

Posted by: April at April 05, 2020 08:04 PM (OX9vb)

210 And of course. Ventilators. You said lies.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 05, 2020 08:04 PM (+fPHo)

211 Drove Mrs. E's truck to work the other day. Reached in the back floorboard looking for the windshield sunscreen and felt a rifle case. She needs to clean out her truck.
Posted by: Eromero at April 05, 2020 08:03 PM (XhWtx)
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She sounds prudent, especially in this day and age.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at April 05, 2020 08:05 PM (WEBkv)

212 More with the revolver thing

I have had some of my very good friends who insist they are conservative get something of an education recently.

They have retreated to their homes or fortresses and decided to buy guns. They have found that there are background checks and you do not just get to walk in and walk out with an armory.

fun times, laughs for everybody.

Anyway, some of them have been trying to find good stuff but there is nothing to be had so they are buying whatever they have.

some have started with a revolver, then found a semi auto, then found a shotgun.

They have no experience with any of these and it is very unlikely that they are going to be qualified with any of them.

However, the thing that they are most likely to find useful and use in some way to defend their home is the semi-auto handgun.

Posted by: not so at April 05, 2020 08:05 PM (HALdu)

213 "why not just shut everything down. We still have grocery stores open. Shouldn't you just shut it all down."

Shut down the networks.

Posted by: freakdd at April 05, 2020 08:05 PM (Tnijr)

214 How in the hell those old school gunfighters could do 100 yard shots, I have no idea.
Posted by: ghbucky at April 05, 2020 07:46 PM

Admittedly not standing one-hand shooting, but check out metallic silhouette matches.

Chickens silhouettes are set at a distance of 50 yards, pigs at 100, turkeys at 150, and rams at 200.

Elmer Keith could do 600 yd. shots w/a .44 Magnum w/6" barrel.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 05, 2020 08:05 PM (DMUuz)

215 Saw an interview with Miculek once where he explained that to learn to shoot fast was simple....he shot and shot and shot and shot.....then shot some more.

It's what he did and does.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 05, 2020 08:05 PM (Z+IKu)

216 1966 Remington Wingmaster
Savage 7s 22 Auto
Couple of more tube fed Remington 22s
That's all I got and I'm fine with it - the shotgun I can use for hunting and home defense (supremely unlikely) - and I guess the 22s are lethal enough with hollow points. I aint spending any more on guns. Precious money spent on tractor and garden is a far wiser investment.

Posted by: TeleSkier at April 05, 2020 08:07 PM (ua1m6)

217 215 I'd just like to know what Miculek does to avoid carpal tunnel syndrome.

Posted by: bill in arkansas at April 05, 2020 08:07 PM (C1Lsn)

218 Gubs!

Nice bump for the firearm and ammo industries out of this mess. So there's that.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 08:07 PM (El6T/)

219 Admittedly not standing one-hand shooting, but check out metallic silhouette matches.

Chickens silhouettes are set at a distance of 50 yards, pigs at 100, turkeys at 150, and rams at 200.

Elmer Keith could do 600 yd. shots w/a .44 Magnum w/6" barrel.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 05, 2020 08:05 PM (DMUuz)

I've shot them in Field Pistol Class (max range 100yds with pistol calibers, unsupported). I used a very old Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 Mag.

The day I knocked the pig over was a good day.

Posted by: ghbucky at April 05, 2020 08:07 PM (s9Eo8)

220 RIP Tom Desmpsey

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Flying Kites at Night at April 05, 2020 08:08 PM (x8Wzq)

221 Heya Horde!

I'd be interested to know what the other gun morons do in their backyard (keep it clean guys and gals).

I was planning to talk about my backyard shooting setup anyway, now I'll be on topic. Thanks Recreant!

I've finally gotten around to making improvements to my little backyard range. I'm in the middle of some Pacific Northwest greenery here, so my longest sight line is about 20-25 yards, shooting slightly downward into the base of a big stump in front of a small hill.

I guess I don't need to go over the whole story; The summary is that I've added a stack of sandbags with a concrete slab behind, and some tarps above and below to keep sand in and water out. I'm interested to see how much lead the sandbags will be able to handle.

Posted by: Lazy Messenger at April 05, 2020 08:08 PM (KP12d)

222 Sorry I'm late.

Let me just jump in and say revolvers are awesome.

FIGHT!

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 05, 2020 08:09 PM (cfSRQ)

223 Mrs. E is a very smart lady. She never travels without a friend.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 08:09 PM (BQEAt)

224 I am so grateful we have Trump instead of Hidabeast, but I do wish he could take advice on how to answer these reporters.

He really needs to talk less, be more concise in his answers, because long winded answers are just fodder for them to misquote and twist.
If the answer is off topic refuse to answer, say that isn't the point of this briefing.
If it is a loaded question based on assertions he disagrees with simply say, I reject your assertion, try again from a point where we can at least agree on the premise of your question. The point of the briefing is for us to disseminate information, not for your to disseminate opinion.

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at April 05, 2020 08:09 PM (af5xa)

225 Let me just jump in and say revolvers are awesome.

FIGHT!
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 05, 2020 08:09 PM (cfSRQ)
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Yes, they are.

I prefer 1911's, because they're awesome too.

Just like Glocks are awesome.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at April 05, 2020 08:10 PM (WEBkv)

226 A safe distance for Trump from the press would be about 800 yards. From that distance, they would be well within mortar range.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 05, 2020 08:10 PM (DY3v8)

227 As for .38 special: I'd say step up to a .357. You have the option of using .38, .38 +P, and .357 increasing your ammo sourcing options.
Posted by: TakeFive

+1.

I would never own a .38 simply because of the versatility of a .357.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 05, 2020 08:10 PM (Bd48Y)

228 "129 Buddy of mine bought a replica Navy model cap and ball revolver.
I got a chance to shoot it a while back. Those things are FUN as hell to shoot. It's a very different experience.
Also very interesting to load.
Posted by: ghbucky at April 05, 2020 07:36 PM (s9eo

Very Cool GH!

Old skool......"
*******
I've had a stainless Ruger Old Army percussion 7-1/2 inch barrel revolver for close to 30 years. Before my eyes got funky I could put all six inside a Copenhagen lid at 40 yds. Even shot a doe with it. Used the .457 round ball over 42 grains of 3F black powder for hunting.

Posted by: Cosda at April 05, 2020 08:10 PM (6ObvH)

229 454 Casull is cool, but might make one shy away from regular practice.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing

Easy peasy. ;-) A Casull will also fire .45 Colt, although probably not as accurately.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 05, 2020 08:10 PM (DMUuz)

230 Ruger Old Army percussion

Oh, wow! I had no idea they made them!

Thanks!

Posted by: ghbucky at April 05, 2020 08:11 PM (s9Eo8)

231 I'd just like to know what Miculek does to avoid carpal tunnel syndrome.
Posted by: bill in arkansas

Trigger jobs.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 05, 2020 08:12 PM (Bd48Y)

232 I have always thought it would be interesting if there was a centerfire equiv of .22lr so you could have a huge mag and see how that worked vs a few bigger rounds.

Posted by: not so at April 05, 2020 08:12 PM (HALdu)

233 My best good friend's dad and uncle were crazy good shots, with old weapons and iron sights.

Part of it is because they never had to wear glasses. Good optic genes I guess. Friend still does not need eyeglasses, whereas I am contemplating tri-focals, and flip-down monocles, and jewelers scopes.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Flying Kites at Night at April 05, 2020 08:12 PM (x8Wzq)

234 However, the thing that they are most likely to find useful and use in some way to defend their home is the semi-auto handgun.

Posted by: not so at April 05, 2020 08:05 PM (HALdu)

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Based on what?

Look, I own many, many autoloaders. I even built one out of spare parts!

Autoloaders have a friend in me.

But I started my odyssey with a revolver, and it is a great way to get into shooting.

What's more, revolvers are complimentary. Let me give you a very basic example.

Let us say you want to shoot on some private land. Nothing special, nothing elaborate, just a stump and a target.

An autoloader is going to dump brass *all over the place*. Then you either get to pick it up on hands and knees, deal with a ground cloth or have it get caught in the mower, etc.

Revolvers? No problem.

They are simple, effective and a great foundation upon which to build a larger collection.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 05, 2020 08:12 PM (cfSRQ)

235 157 ... "I have my grandmother's old Singer. It's currently doing duty as a table in my upstairs hall."

Mrs. JTB has a treadle White brand sewing machine from her grandma who bought it used in the 1920s. Family legend is it was used to sew uniforms for the Spanish-American War. It has all the attachments and still works.

I'm encouraged something that old still functions. Gives me hope for myself. :-)

Posted by: JTB at April 05, 2020 08:12 PM (7EjX1)

236 I have always thought it would be interesting if there was a centerfire equiv of .22lr so you could have a huge mag and see how that worked vs a few bigger rounds.
Posted by: not so at April 05, 2020 08:12 PM (HALdu)

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FN 5.7

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at April 05, 2020 08:13 PM (WEBkv)

237 Oh, wow! I had no idea they made them!

They don't anymore and have become priced accordingly. They are cool though. They are what we would have today if metal cartridges had never been invented.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 05, 2020 08:13 PM (yQpMk)

238 Bringing this in from the First-World Problems thread, where I've been hanging out:

471 My favorite part of the news conference so far was Admiral Polowczyk mispronouncing the name of Dr. Birx.

; )
Posted by: m at April 05, 2020 07:33 PM (M5wRT)

Posted by: m at April 05, 2020 08:13 PM (M5wRT)

239 I think the first-timer should get a revolver. Far easier to understand. Easier to see whether loaded. Action exposed.

Get a middleweight 38 and shoot it for 1000 rounds and then go for another 1000. Then maybe see how a 9mm semiauto feels.

But first do the wheel gun.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 05, 2020 08:14 PM (+fPHo)

240 re Trump

it is interesting that he closed down travel very quickly where obama decided not to do the same with ebola, even though obama knew the national emergency stocks were way down, since he ran them down.

Posted by: not so at April 05, 2020 08:14 PM (HALdu)

241 Just like Glocks are awesome.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
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Another Zima drinker. Sheesh.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 05, 2020 08:14 PM (cfSRQ)

242
I'm encouraged something that old still functions. Gives me hope for myself. :-)
Posted by: JTB at April 05, 2020 08:12 PM (7EjX1)
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Ha! You and me both, brother!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 08:14 PM (jUqIO)

243 I prefer 1911's, because they're awesome too.

Just like Glocks are awesome

Firearms are awesome but bows are for fags. Paul Ryan uses a bow.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade a fucking ray of sunshine at April 05, 2020 08:15 PM (bML9A)

244 You can bet the first time someone handed Miculek a firearm, everyone there said "holy shit, that kids a natural" and then 10 million shots later he's unbelievable. That's a combo of natural talent and tremendous dedication.

Posted by: ck at April 05, 2020 08:15 PM (Gf0Po)

245 Now I don't agree with not so very often

but I am much more comfortable with our semis than I am with our revolvers

Posted by: westminsterdogshow.....Coloradomorondezvous2020 at April 05, 2020 08:15 PM (/UQ/R)

246 Another Zima drinker. Sheesh.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 05, 2020 08:14 PM (cfSRQ)
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Hey, one does not refuse booze, even Zima, if it's the only booze available.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at April 05, 2020 08:15 PM (WEBkv)

247 I agree with the 38 revolver recommendation.

I might suggest a 357, actually, and that the newbie use 38 cowboy ammo for practice, and 38+P for self-defense, if it's going to be a nightstand gun.

Bigger gun, easier to control; and if it has a 4" or 6" barrel, that 38+P becomes a lot more effective.

I carry a 38 revolver, because I know I don't get to the range as often as I should, and no matter how bad my form, it's going to go kaboom every time I pull the trigger.

S&W and Ruger are good. Anything else, you're taking a chance, or you're spending big money. You get a lot for your money with S&W and Ruger.

Posted by: Pastafarian at April 05, 2020 08:16 PM (sgHEm)

248 Well, need to run.

I can feel the stinkeye of the wife, even through the walls.

Later, all!

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at April 05, 2020 08:16 PM (WEBkv)

249 Now I don't agree with not so very often but I am much more comfortable with our semis than I am with our revolvers
Posted by: westminsterdogshow.....Coloradomorondezvous2020 at April 05,

in fairness, you have that slick high speed, go fast, semi, so makes sense.

Posted by: not so at April 05, 2020 08:17 PM (HALdu)

250 Hey, one does not refuse booze, even Zima, if it's the only booze available.
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at April 05, 2020 08:15 PM (WEBkv)

Disagree. Zima, and Coors Light. No go. Nasty.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Flying Kites at Night at April 05, 2020 08:17 PM (x8Wzq)

251 Bows are for people who find hunting with a rifle unchallenging. I worked with a guy like that. He was a deer slayer for sure. After a while, he even found bow hunting to be too easy so he started hunting deer with a spear. I used to joke with him that one day I would be in the woods and a deer would come by dragging him along with his teeth latched to the deer's throat.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 05, 2020 08:17 PM (yQpMk)

252 Clear answer: buy one of each. Or two. Try them all out, see what works best.

Just joking of course.

But often - I hope in this case it happens - first gun purchase is a gateway drug to the full pathology.

I enjoy revolvers and semis, shotguns and rifles.

If I could get grenade launchers or field artillery, or especially a 20mm Oerlikon or 23mm ZSU (mounted on a Japanese truck, so, technically, a "technical", in 3rd World warfare parlance), I'd enjoy those.

And let's not forget mines, mostly claymores and such. Though yuuuge naval mines have always fascinated me - but I can't think, right off, of a good use I'd have for them.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 08:17 PM (El6T/)

253 202
As for .38 special: I'd say step up to a .357. You have the option of
using .38, .38 +P, and .357 increasing your ammo sourcing options.

Posted by: TakeFive at April 05, 2020 08:03 PM (uvVVT)

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Depends.

If you are going for a light carry weapon, .38 special is fine. The extra weight needed to shoot .357 combined with the fury of firing magnums through a small frame make it less than ideal.

But...

If you go in for a full sized (4+ inch barrel) then go magnum or go home.

In fact, I'd go all-in on the six-inch barrel, which will put most wonder 9s to shame at the range.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 05, 2020 08:18 PM (cfSRQ)

254 I prefer 1911's, because they're awesome too.

Just like Glocks are awesome

Firearms are awesome but bows are for fags. Paul Ryan uses a bow.
Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade a fucking ray of sunshine at April 05,

friend got into bow hunting because he was incapable of missing with a gun.

Posted by: not so at April 05, 2020 08:19 PM (HALdu)

255 Easy peasy. ;-) A Casull will also fire .45 Colt, although probably not as accurately.

Just get the S&W 460XVR and you can shoot the .460 S&W Magnum too. The extra weight plus the ability to mount a scope will definitely help with accuracy. Plus with the 2400 fps .45 caliber projectile, no lift for harvesting deer at 0-250 yards with a 200 yrd zero'd gun.

Posted by: 🐧 at April 05, 2020 08:19 PM (uYQjf)

256 @230 Ruger Old Army percussion
Oh, wow! I had no idea they made them!
Thanks!
******
It's a massive revolver, more or less a percussion Super Blackhawk. It's got adjustable sights and can be loaded to almost twice the powder load of the civil war replicas. Drawback is the conical bullets are not readily available unless you cast your own, but the .457 round ball is extremely accurate out of it.

Posted by: Cosda at April 05, 2020 08:20 PM (6ObvH)

257 He was a deer slayer for sure. After a while, he even found bow hunting to be too easy so he started hunting deer with a spear. I used to joke with him that one day I would be in the woods and a deer would come by dragging him along with his teeth latched to the deer's throat.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 05,

we know the same guy?

Posted by: not so at April 05, 2020 08:20 PM (HALdu)

258 Hey, one does not refuse booze, even Zima, if it's the only booze available.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
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My wife says the way to drink Zima is to put a Jolly Rancher into it first and let it dissolve.

I'm also told men would admit to drinking wine coolers.

This mode of thought is alien to me.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 05, 2020 08:20 PM (cfSRQ)

259 I guess the 22s are lethal enough with hollow
points. I aint spending any more on guns. Precious money spent on
tractor and garden is a far wiser investment.

Posted by: TeleSkier
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

You got that right. And the Russian army will tell you so from very painful first hand experience. The Chechians employed the 22LR to great effect for close range sniping. The already quiet round could be quite effectively silenced with a simple plastic soda bottle making it near impossible to know where the shot came from and the wounds were still quite effective.
https://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htweap
/20120830.aspx

Some of the teams I worked with back in my uniformed and post service days always had a 22LR weapon on them. A fantastic point contact dispatch weapon without waking the whole neighborhood. Just sayin.

It is also good to be mindful of how loud a big caliber weapon is if fired from inside your home. Will you be able to hear your family members or any other intruders *after* you've fired your big gun in your hallway?

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at April 05, 2020 08:20 PM (af5xa)

260 RESPIRATOR QUESTION.

Posted by: m at April 05, 2020 08:22 PM (M5wRT)

261 Hey, one does not refuse booze, even Zima, if it's the only booze available.

Posted by: blake
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True. Especially if on the lake and that's all that's on the 'toon. Ask me how I know.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 05, 2020 08:22 PM (Dhht7)

262
I used to joke with him that one day I would be in the woods and a deer would come by dragging him along with his teeth latched to the deer's throat.
Posted by: Grump928(C)

Punch deer in jaw.

Posted by: Mongo at April 05, 2020 08:23 PM (aKsyK)

263 RESPIRATOR QUESTION.
Posted by: m at April 05, 2020 08:22 PM (M5wRT)

But this is the ventilator thread.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 05, 2020 08:23 PM (t+qrx)

264 Hilarious end to the presser.

"You know, you should be *thankful* for what they've done (Army Corps of Engineers, other military/logistics support), not always asking wise-guy questions"

Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 08:23 PM (El6T/)

265 Re the 'crotch grab'...

The last two guys dragged out of the Lassen County jail (still exists) and lynched from a nearby tree(gone) were Mexican Bob and....Holden Dick.

Posted by: torabora at April 05, 2020 08:23 PM (Y274z)

266
https://tinyurl.com/smcug6c
I shoot the .457 out of this. The .452 didn't give me a complete swage ring... made me uneasy.
They are a hoot, and you can download them for kids, wimmens, whatever.

Posted by: MarkY at April 05, 2020 08:24 PM (7M6jj)

267 Speaking of deer, I finally managed to get pics of some with the trail cams at the farm.

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 08:24 PM (jUqIO)

268 PDT ended the question session with a well-deserved dump on the ugly bum from AP.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 05, 2020 08:24 PM (+fPHo)

269 He was a deer slayer for sure. After a while, he even found bow hunting
to be too easy so he started hunting deer with a spear. I used to joke
with him that one day I would be in the woods and a deer would come by
dragging him along with his teeth latched to the deer's throat.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 05,

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I knew a guy who was into hunting deer with sword and spear.

Emphasis on past tense. I think he's using stone weapons by now. For grizzly bears.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 05, 2020 08:24 PM (cfSRQ)

270 In fact, I'd go all-in on the six-inch barrel, which will put most wonder 9s to shame at the range.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 05, 2020 08:18 PM (cfSRQ)

If you're interested in "magnum" loads for less than a 45 on a short barrel, just get the 45...

The nice thing about the 38 was the six incher, the standard round was great for that barrel and accuracy was decent, if not up to the 9MM, which I fired at the end of my career in the Navy and found to be a great weapon for putting rounds on target.

Posted by: Boswell at April 05, 2020 08:25 PM (32YRo)

271 268 PDT ended the question session with a well-deserved dump on the ugly bum from AP.
Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 05, 2020 08:24 PM (+fPHo)

That was amazing. He has endless patience for answering their questions, and none at all for their gotchas.

Posted by: Splunge at April 05, 2020 08:26 PM (dOV9E)

272 First time online ammo purchase. Used AmmoSeek and ordered from Outdoor Limited.

Looking forward to delivery.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 05, 2020 08:26 PM (MQ0v4)

273 True. Especially if on the lake and that's all that's on the 'toon. Ask me how I know.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 05, 2020 08:22 PM (Dhht7)

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I'm pretty sure that scenario's clear to all of us here.

Did the antibiotics work?

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 05, 2020 08:26 PM (cfSRQ)

274 For at least some of its "negative treatments" of enemy terrorist leadership (hits), Mossad/other Israeli actors used suppressed .22 pistols (not sure which kind). In many typical urban environments, a very discreet tool. And I know some Mafia hits in the US were done this way.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 08:26 PM (El6T/)

275 Looking at the Colt Defender
anyone here have any experience with?

Posted by: DB- just DB, under house arrest at April 05, 2020 08:26 PM (iTXRQ)

276 Number 1 etiquette rule in ETEX--Never go out naked (unarmed). And don't forget to say 'please' and 'thank you'. An armed society is a polite society. It is known.

Posted by: Eromero at April 05, 2020 08:26 PM (XhWtx)

277 Then get a 20ga or .410. Both effective weapons.

My point is not a caliber pissing contest, but solely practicality. In a stressful I doubt my ability to place a shot. Lots of shot increase the probability of a hit.

One of the fathers I knew from my kid's school was shot 9 times in a road rage incident and survived. It's not like the movies where one shot always drops you.

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Posted by: TSgt Ciz at April

The right answer is NOT caliber based, it is user based.
The right weapon is the one the shooter and deploy quickly and with accuracy. A .45 hole in the door frame is far less efficient than a .22 hole in the middle of the intruders chest and forehead.

I swear I do tire of the caliber wars.

Posted by: TakeFive at April 05, 2020 08:26 PM (uvVVT)

278 speaking of the wide open spaces, I was stationed in the high desert way back as a young string bean. Yeah, that was awesome for practice, and it didn't hurt that my dorm roommate was assistant base armorer. :-) Good buddy-access to the base range.
Now, though, I take nearly equal pleasure in N. Georgia. Why, sometimes you can get a clear shot as long as 10 yards between trees.
Lots of squirrel though.

Posted by: Oh Look. Squirrel. Not the usual intent. heh at April 05, 2020 08:26 PM (64PZ4)

279 260
RESPIRATOR QUESTION.

Posted by: m at April 05, 2020 08:22 PM (M5wRT)

.45 is better.

Posted by: Brian in New Orleans at April 05, 2020 08:27 PM (TLxpZ)

280 I am done with this ignoramus press.

I look at it and ask how much more done could I be?

Right, right?

And the answer is none. None more done.

Posted by: Axeman at April 05, 2020 08:27 PM (Eicbe)

281 272 First time online ammo purchase. Used AmmoSeek and ordered from Outdoor Limited.

Looking forward to delivery.
Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 05, 2020 08:26 PM (MQ0v4)
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Good job!!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 08:27 PM (jUqIO)

282 Hello Horde! What are we talking about besides the Kung-Flu! Back as soon as I catch up

McGyver, out

Posted by: McGyver at April 05, 2020 08:27 PM (gMngZ)

283 Deplorable unperson, been a while since I bought ammo, but one of my last purchases was from Outdoor Limited, they were good.

Reload most everything I shoot, I was topping off some specialty ammo (self-defense, or shotgun) for my last online buys.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 08:27 PM (El6T/)

284 I knew a guy who was into hunting deer with sword and spear.

Emphasis on past tense. I think he's using stone weapons by now. For grizzly bears.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 05, 2020 08:24 PM (cfSRQ)

I always cuffed and tied myself to a tree when I went looking for doe

just to make it fair

Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2020 08:28 PM (rpxSz)

285 But this is the ventilator thread.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 05, 2020 08:23 PM (t+qrx)

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We also discuss heaters.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 05, 2020 08:28 PM (cfSRQ)

286 When I was just a wet-behind-the-ears graduate, my mentor invited me out shooting. He brought his AR-15, a thing I'd never seen before. As we approached the range, he told me, in his East European accent, "Everyone is very polite, because they are all armed to the teeth."

Posted by: Splunge at April 05, 2020 08:28 PM (dOV9E)

287
BoJo has been taken to the hospital. They say it's "just a precaution." WuFlu may take out BoJo.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 05, 2020 08:29 PM (f1Vqw)

288 Tim Blair takes down Australian Consulate General of the People's Republic of China because they took issue with Australia's coverage of the virus.

It's a thing of beauty and was published in The Daily Telegraph. It's a bit long but so worth it.

https://tinyurl.com/r7xcjxt

Posted by: Tami at April 05, 2020 08:29 PM (cF8AT)

289 My home gun is an S&W Model 547 K frame in 9mm. I have an extra 38/357 cylinder so can adapt to ammo availability. Pick it up, pull the trigger.

Posted by: Panhandler at April 05, 2020 08:29 PM (S/rwf)

290 Ruger Old Army percussion

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Oh, wow! I had no idea they made them!
Thanks!
Posted by: ghbucky at April 05, 2020 08:11 PM

IIRC, they quit making them in 2008. You'll have to find a used one.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 05, 2020 08:29 PM (DMUuz)

291 Rookie question:

When I look up .308 ammo on say ammoseek or somewhere else, links also come up for 7.62x51 (I think that's right, going from memory at the moment).

Are they one and the same, or do I need to make sure I get the right one?

Thanks.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at April 05, 2020 08:29 PM (Bv5VB)

292 267 Speaking of deer, I finally managed to get pics of some with the trail cams at the farm.

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 08:24
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Farm? I'm up to herd 25 traversing my yard in the city.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 05, 2020 08:29 PM (Dhht7)

293 220 Pug Mahon at 75 years wonder where he was at end, didn't see that only he had the rone

Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2020 08:29 PM (ZCEU2)

294 Got to the range yesterday for the first time in 3 months. Wasn't really a range day, just the range portion of my Texas LTC.

Posted by: Aviator at April 05, 2020 08:29 PM (2cuLk)

295 Wish I had some kind of SUV with clearance, only have a regular car, as then I could explore a bit of the desert only 1.5 hours away. Plan to remedy this at some point. There's BLM land closer, but fairly "crowded" (a few ideal shooting spots with backstops, lots of shooters who like to use them).

Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 08:29 PM (El6T/)

296 Kodiak brown bears, hunting naked with a spoon, a manly sport.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade a fucking ray of sunshine at April 05, 2020 08:30 PM (bML9A)

297 Or 7.62x39, I think y'all know what I'm talking about.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at April 05, 2020 08:30 PM (Bv5VB)

298 I'm thinking about getting a S&W M&P 15-22....but I already have a Ruger 10/22 takedown. That's pretty much all I need for a .22 rifle. But I kinda WANT the M&P

So I'm torn.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 05, 2020 08:30 PM (d1uFV)

299
hogmartin, index finger to chin, hmmmm.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 07:52 PM

whatever nefarious scheme you come up with, you have to consummate the deal in the HEB parking lot

Posted by: AltonJackson
Impeach Whitmer!!!
Because: Reasons!!!
at April 05, 2020 08:31 PM (tfjoP)

300 I swear I do tire of the caliber wars.
Posted by: TakeFive at April 05, 2020 08:26 PM (uvVVT)

Yep. Best caliber for anyone is the one they'll use.

Under my bed - which is the only gun that's always in arm's reach when I'm catching a snooze - is a cut-down Remington 37 loaded with bird shot and no plug.

I trust it.

Posted by: I Am No One at April 05, 2020 08:31 PM (UqKfP)

301 287
BoJo has been taken to the hospital. They say it's "just a precaution." WuFlu may take out BoJo.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 05, 2020 08:29 PM (f1Vqw)

"Just a precaution." The UK also calls bracing a suspect "assisting the police with their inquiries." That said, I hope this is merely being cautious. Reports are that they're checking him out because his symptoms are persisting. I do not like that it's happening at just about the usual point in the timeline for the Commie virus to begin its deadly lung attacks.

Posted by: Splunge at April 05, 2020 08:31 PM (dOV9E)

302 292 267 Speaking of deer, I finally managed to get pics of some with the trail cams at the farm.

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 08:24
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Farm? I'm up to herd 25 traversing my yard in the city.
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at April 05, 2020 08:29 PM (Dhht7)
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Yeah, I've seen just as many here at home just outside of D.C. I have seen plenty at the farm, just never caught them on film!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 08:31 PM (jUqIO)

303 296 Kodiak brown bears, hunting naked with a spoon, a manly sport.
Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade a fucking ray of sunshine at April 05, 2020 08:30 PM (bML9A)

I presume this is the "first liar aint got a chance" section of the program

Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2020 08:32 PM (rpxSz)

304 285 But this is the ventilator thread.

Posted by: hogmartin at April 05, 2020 08:23 PM (t+qrx)

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We also discuss heaters.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 05, 2020 08:28 PM (cfSRQ)

And breathalyzers.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 08:32 PM (NWiLs)

305 Just asking because I have no idea, but, wouldn't trigger pressure be a big deal for a first time gun user?

Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 08:32 PM (BQEAt)

306 Tim Blair takes down Australian Consulate General of the People's Republic of China because they took issue with Australia's coverage of the virus.

Next up, Tim Blair disappears.

Posted by: The ARC of History! at April 05, 2020 08:33 PM (I2/tG)

307 228 ... "I've had a stainless Ruger Old Army percussion 7-1/2 inch barrel revolver for close to 30 years. Before my eyes got funky I could put all six inside a Copenhagen lid at 40 yds. Even shot a doe with it. Used the .457 round ball over 42 grains of 3F black powder for hunting."

Cosda, You have the best percussion revolver ever made, IMHO. The cap and ball competitors use them almost exclusively. I'm hoping to get good enough to shoot my ROAs up to their potential. As much as I enjoy my Colt and Remington repros and as accurate as they are, nothing beats the ROA.

Posted by: JTB at April 05, 2020 08:33 PM (7EjX1)

308 296
Kodiak brown bears, hunting naked with a spoon, a manly sport.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade a fucking ray of sunshine at April 05, 2020 08:30 PM (bML9A)

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Tell me more about these "bears!"

Posted by: Shep! at April 05, 2020 08:33 PM (cfSRQ)

309 A .45 hole in the door frame is far less efficient than a .22 hole in the middle of the intruders chest and forehead.

I swear I do tire of the caliber wars.

Posted by: TakeFive at April 05, 2020 08:26 PM (uvVVT)

This is the logic the Navy and Army struggled with, but most of it had to do with enemy distance typical in fighting...the 45 was meant for close quarters, of course, and stopping power, the 9MM was meant for accuracy on target, which had its own stopping power to be sure. If you've been in close quarters, as my Dad was, with the enemy, you felt a lot more confident that you could stop the enemy's advance with a "John Wayner" than a pea shooter, so changing that mind set was something the military struggled to reverse in my later years.

Posted by: Boswell at April 05, 2020 08:33 PM (32YRo)

310 291 Rookie question:

When I look up .308 ammo on say ammoseek or somewhere else, links also come up for 7.62x51 (I think that's right, going from memory at the moment).

Are they one and the same, or do I need to make sure I get the right one?

Thanks.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at April 05, 2020 08:29 PM (Bv5VB)

7.62x51 tends to be loaded a bit hotter than stock .308. They are the same dimensionally, but some older rifles in .308 may not like the x51, from what I recall.

Folks please correct me if I'm wrong.

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 05, 2020 08:33 PM (d1uFV)

311 Tell me more about these "bears!"
Posted by: Shep! at April 05, 2020 08:33 PM (cfSRQ)

hot to frot

Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2020 08:34 PM (rpxSz)

312 263 RESPIRATOR QUESTION.
Posted by: m at April 05, 2020 08:22 PM (M5wRT)

But this is the ventilator thread.
Posted by: hogmartin at April 05, 2020 08:23 PM (t+qrx)

heh

Posted by: m at April 05, 2020 08:34 PM (M5wRT)

313 Cheap 150gr .308 reloading bullets are pretty much non-existent. Fortunately almost all my brass is full but that's the way I like to keep it.

Posted by: ck at April 05, 2020 08:34 PM (Gf0Po)

314 Hi guys.

I love my S&W .357. I need to take it back out to the range when I get there.

Haven't been in a month. Makes me sad.

Back to the battlefield in the morning. Y'all be good.

Wash your hands
Keep your hands away from your face
Stay home if you're sick.

This will be over soon.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at April 05, 2020 08:34 PM (fF8HX)

315 Another great gun thread Weasel!
Haven't been able to practice my shooting much lately because it is extremely wet here.I have been able to cook a little. Did a nice smoked salmon today, oops wrong thread!I'll be lurking.

Posted by: rancherbob at April 05, 2020 08:34 PM (gtu9W)

316 Futures up sharply.

Posted by: The Shape of Vodka at April 05, 2020 08:34 PM (2oYEN)

317 305 Just asking because I have no idea, but, wouldn't trigger pressure be a big deal for a first time gun user?
Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 08:32 PM (BQEAt)

It was for me. Not worried about needing too much pressure, but terrified of the idea that my first shot on a semi would be hard, and the rest would be super-easy. Seemed like a bad mix with stress.

Posted by: Splunge at April 05, 2020 08:34 PM (dOV9E)

318 rhomboid/Weasel - thanks! I have been meaning to do it for a long time.

My usual habit is to browse the gun shop , wish, drool , check my wallet, sigh deeply and walk out the door with 3 or 4 boxes with my gun lust unsated but my budget intact.

Trying to get my mind on anything other than the cavitating engine of our economy and how far away some of my dream gun purchases may be at this point. And how close the possibility of selling some of my own hardware may be.

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 05, 2020 08:35 PM (MQ0v4)

319 7.62x51 tends to be loaded a bit hotter than stock
.308. They are the same dimensionally, but some older rifles in .308
may not like the x51, from what I recall.

Folks please correct me if I'm wrong.

Other way - not trying to be snide.

.308 is hotter than 7.62. But 5.56 is hotter than .223.

Posted by: I Am No One at April 05, 2020 08:35 PM (UqKfP)

320 305 Just asking because I have no idea, but, wouldn't trigger pressure be a big deal for a first time gun user?
Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 08:32 PM (BQEAt)
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Hmmmm.. I don't know that it's ever come up with the first time shooters I've taken to the range. I usually have them dry fire first, and the trigger pull on DA revolvers is something like 6 or 7 pounds, so not huge.

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 08:36 PM (jUqIO)

321 A 'Karen' with the client I'm currently with told an interesting story of a friend of hers from Germany visiting here in Texas. This friend, more than anything, wanted to go to a range and shoot an AR-15. She had served in the German Army, but she had not only never shot one during training or her 'career', she'd never even carried one. Apparently they had a few for the trainees, and some old Mausers to be carried around, but 50% of the trainees were issued sticks in lieu of either of those.

That would not be a particularly hard wish to grant here, but being a Karen, she had no idea of even where to begin.

I imagined that gap named Fulda growing wider and wider during the telling of the story.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 05, 2020 08:36 PM (DMUuz)

322 When I look up .308 ammo on say ammoseek or somewhere else, links also come up for 7.62x51 (I think that's right, going from memory at the moment).

Are they one and the same, or do I need to make sure I get the right one?

It's similar to the.223/5.56 situation. SAAMI spec vs. NATO spec. At the extreme ends of the pressure and size tolerances, one is slightly out of range for the other. So if you were to get ahold of the hottest possible in-spec example of one, it could, in theory, be unsafe in the other. But this is all gun geek sophistry. In the real world, they are safely interchangeable.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at April 05, 2020 08:36 PM (qc+VF)

323 And breathalyzers.

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at April 05, 2020 08:32 PM (NWiLs)

----
Not a problem.

Posted by: Zombie Ted Kennedy at April 05, 2020 08:36 PM (cfSRQ)

324 287 BoJo has been taken to the hospital. They say it's "just a precaution." WuFlu may take out BoJo.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 05, 2020 08:29 PM (f1Vqw)

He looked like crud.

Posted by: m at April 05, 2020 08:37 PM (M5wRT)

325 If someone tries to tell me that .22LR isn't lethal...

I like to point out that a record polar bear was taken with a single shot 22 rifle.

https://tinyurl.com/vupxtnk

Posted by: ghbucky at April 05, 2020 08:37 PM (s9Eo8)

326 316 Futures up sharply.
Posted by: The Shape of Vodka at April 05, 2020 08:34 PM (2oYEN)

talk to me over the first cup of coffee

Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2020 08:37 PM (rpxSz)

327 DB @ 275- Mrs. E's first carry was a Colt Defender. It is a fine firearm and she loved it and we still carry it once in a while. Her current carry is a Kimber micro9 and the Defender lives in the safe now.

Posted by: Eromero at April 05, 2020 08:37 PM (XhWtx)

328 Bows are for people who find hunting with a rifle unchallenging. I worked with a guy like that. He was a deer slayer for sure. After a while, he even found bow hunting to be too easy so he started hunting deer with a spear. I used to joke with him that one day I would be in the woods and a deer would come by dragging him along with his teeth latched to the deer's throat.
Posted by: Grump928(C)

He should come out and do that with 350 lb feral boars.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 05, 2020 08:38 PM (Bd48Y)

329 315 Another great gun thread Weasel!
Haven't been able to practice my shooting much lately because it is extremely wet here.I have been able to cook a little. Did a nice smoked salmon today, oops wrong thread!I'll be lurking.
Posted by: rancherbob at April 05, 2020 08:34 PM (gtu9W)
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Thanks rancherbob! Always a pleasure to have you here.

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 08:39 PM (jUqIO)

330 What's the old joke? "I use my pistol to get to my shotgun."

That's my plan in the County of Crooks. Coppers getting sick were already laying down because the mayor wants to prosecute and the SA is letting all the shitheads go. Wait until it gets warm enough to be outside. I'm not anywhere near as experienced as most in here but I can load and fire a shotgun and a pistol. Why I didn't listen to Weasel I'll never know, lol.

Posted by: dartist at April 05, 2020 08:39 PM (K22Va)

331 230 ... "Ruger Old Army percussion

Oh, wow! I had no idea they made them! "

ghbucky,

Ruger discontinued the Old Army in 2008. They can still be found on the used market but the prices are high. If you are a serious percussion revolver fan, it's worth looking for a deal on one (or more). Over the years I've found three of them and never paid more than 400 bucks but I was damn lucky. Two of them had never been fired.

Posted by: JTB at April 05, 2020 08:40 PM (7EjX1)

332 Wash your hands
Keep your hands away from your face
Stay home if you're sick.

This will be over soon.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at April 05, 2020 08:34 PM (fF8HX)

thank you, Nurse. I have cheap plastic gloves in both vehicles, because gas station pumps are one of the few things that skeeves me out. I have some masks, but that's only if I go to a store that rilly wants me to be masked. So far that has not happened.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Flying Kites at Night at April 05, 2020 08:40 PM (x8Wzq)

333 For at least some of its "negative treatments" of enemy terrorist leadership (hits), Mossad/other Israeli actors used suppressed .22 pistols (not sure which kind).

Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 08:26 PM (El6T/)

Allegedly the very model 71 Beretta I acquired this week, fitted with a suppressor.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 05, 2020 08:41 PM (yQpMk)

334 Hmmmm.. I don't know that it's ever come up with the
first time shooters I've taken to the range. I usually have them dry
fire first, and the trigger pull on DA revolvers is something like 6 or 7
pounds, so not huge.

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 08:36 PM (jUqIO)

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One thing I like about revolvers, especially for self-defense, is the deliberate way you can use them.

Most of the time I practice, I do so in single-action. This not only makes the trigger easier, but it forces me to slow down, concentrate, focus.

It forces that extra moment of contemplation, so you don't just jerk the trigger and send a shot who-knows-where.

Over the last couple of threads I've seen people talking about "needing" extra rounds because they aren't sure they will be accurate.

I shudder. Where are those bullets going to go? Sure, if you're being swarmed by whirling Dervishes, ammo may be an issue, but mag-dumping 15+ rounds while under stress seems bad.

Seems to me that I want every shot to count and that the risk profile is heavily on the side of shooting too soon rather than too late.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 05, 2020 08:41 PM (cfSRQ)

335 Davy Crockett killed a bear with a knife....in the dark.

Posted by: torabora at April 05, 2020 08:41 PM (Y274z)

336 like to point out that a record polar bear was taken with a single shot 22 rifle.

https://tinyurl.com/vupxtnk

Posted by: ghbucky at April 05, 2020 08:37 PM (s9Eo

A spoon can be lethal if you know how to use it right...my Dad told me something I never forgot: "10% of war is what your weapon can do if used correctly, the rest is in your head..."

Meaning, they gave soldiers massive firearms so they felt confident they could stop the enemy, even if a spoon might have worked if used by Bruce Lee...

Posted by: Boswell at April 05, 2020 08:41 PM (32YRo)

337 Why I didn't listen to Weasel I'll never know, lol.
Posted by: dartist at April 05, 2020 08:39 PM

There an old saying that "The best time to plant a tree was thirty years ago. The next best time is now."

Listen to Weasel.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 05, 2020 08:42 PM (DMUuz)

338 and never paid more than 400 bucks but I was damn lucky. Two of them had never been fired.
Posted by: JTB at April 05, 2020 08:40 PM (7EjX1)

Thanks. I'm not a collector. If I could have picked one up for a couple hundred, I might have done it just for fun, but if I'm going to have to get spendy for one, I have other more useful guns I'd get instead.

Posted by: ghbucky at April 05, 2020 08:42 PM (s9Eo8)

339 But this is all gun geek sophistry. In the real world, they are safely interchangeable.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at April 05, 2020 08:36 PM (qc+VF)

Concur.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at April 05, 2020 08:42 PM (Z+IKu)

340 ICYMI--- CCi and Speer sell direct online now, according to my friend. Check it out:

speer-ammo.com/

cci-ammunition.com/

Posted by: JQ at April 05, 2020 08:42 PM (whOIk)

341 Davy Crockett killed a bear with a knife....in the dark.
Posted by: torabora at April 05, 2020 08:41 PM (Y274z)

Kilt him a b'ar, when he was only three.

Davy
Davy Crockett
King of the Wild Frontier...

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Flying Kites at Night at April 05, 2020 08:43 PM (x8Wzq)

342 AltonJackson, maybe we have a change of venue and have the MoMe in the HEB parking lot.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 08:43 PM (BQEAt)

343 He should come out and do that with 350 lb feral boars.
Posted by: rickb223 at April 05, 2020 08:38 PM

hogmartin is considering that very thing as a precursor to the TxMoMe.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 05, 2020 08:44 PM (DMUuz)

344 314: best advice

Posted by: CN at April 05, 2020 08:44 PM (ONvIw)

345
When you see BoJo with well combed hair, you'll know the end is near.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 05, 2020 08:44 PM (f1Vqw)

346 @ by: The ARC of History! at April 05, 2020 08:33 PM (I2/tG)

307 228 ... "I've had a stainless Ruger Old Army percussion 7-1/2 inch barrel revolver for close to 30 years. Before my eyes got funky I could put all six inside a Copenhagen lid at 40 yds. Even shot a doe with it. Used the .457 round ball over 42 grains of 3F black powder for hunting."

Cosda, You have the best percussion revolver ever made, IMHO. The cap and ball competitors use them almost exclusively. I'm hoping to get good enough to shoot my ROAs up to their potential. As much as I enjoy my Colt and Remington repros and as accurate as they are, nothing beats the ROA.
*************
Agreed. Ruger made a modern black powder revolver from scratch rather than a replica.

Posted by: Cosda at April 05, 2020 08:45 PM (6ObvH)

347 like to point out that a record polar bear was taken with a single shot 22 rifle.

https://tinyurl.com/vupxtnk

Posted by: ghbucky

How many polar bears have taken out hunters and do you feel lucky enough?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 05, 2020 08:45 PM (Bd48Y)

348 Don't see any way to buy direct from CCI

Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at April 05, 2020 08:45 PM (d1uFV)

349 345 When you see BoJo with well combed hair, you'll know the end is near.
Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 05, 2020 08:44 PM (f1Vqw)

I saw a picture of him like that. It was disturbing.

Posted by: Splunge at April 05, 2020 08:45 PM (dOV9E)

350
Listen to Weasel.
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 05, 2020 08:42 PM (DMUuz)
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Can someone please tell that to WeaselWoman?

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 08:45 PM (jUqIO)

351 Listen to Weasel.

Sure, now you tell me.

Posted by: dartist at April 05, 2020 08:45 PM (K22Va)

352 I did have a jam on my .357. It was after running a few hundred rounds of .38 through her. I didn't clean her up and the .357 didn't fire.

Cleaned her up and all was good.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at April 05, 2020 08:46 PM (fF8HX)

353 AltonJackson, maybe we have a change of venue and have the MoMe in the HEB parking lot.

DIBS on the Collins Street Bakery end!

Posted by: Panhandler at April 05, 2020 08:46 PM (S/rwf)

354 AltonJackson, maybe we have a change of venue and have the MoMe in the HEB parking lot.

Grackle hunt!

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at April 05, 2020 08:46 PM (qc+VF)

355 #321 IIRC Failornia won't let you do that legally. It's a gun you see so you can't borrow one.

I am ruled by stupid.

They still have the plastic bag at grocery stores ban in place and New York trotted one out March 1. So bring your Chinese Flu infested stuff to the grocery store.

Posted by: torabora at April 05, 2020 08:46 PM (Y274z)

356 Wash your hands

Keep your hands away from your face

Stay home if you're sick.

This will be over soon.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at April 05, 2020 08:34 PM (fF8HX)

Not
according to my one sister-in-law. It's never going to end and we're
all going to die if we all don't stay at home forever!!! The daily world
is coming to an end call is fun. The latest one was a nationwide milk
shortage. Why? Because they couldn't get any on their online grocery
order. So her husband had to brave it and go to a store. From the
description you'd think he crossed no man's land under a hail of coughs
and sneezes.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 05, 2020 08:46 PM (3bFb9)

357 rancherbob, missed you this afternoon.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 08:46 PM (BQEAt)

358 hogmartin is considering that very thing as a precursor to the TxMoMe.
Posted by: Duncanthrax

I wouldn't hit those bullet sponges with anything less than a 30 rd magazine.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 05, 2020 08:47 PM (Bd48Y)

359 My point is not a caliber pissing contest, but
solely practicality. In a stressful I doubt my ability to place a shot.
Lots of shot increase the probability of a hit.

One of the fathers I knew from my kid's school was shot 9 times in a
road rage incident and survived. It's not like the movies where one
shot always drops you.

Posted by: TakeFive

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Oh yes we will quite agree on the great benefit of large capacity magazines and mag fed weapons, meaning yes I greatly prefer a Semi Auto pistol over a revolver!

My personal first hand experience and first person observation is that if a surprise conflict erupts on you, even most hard core operators will be hard pressed to hit anything but air with their first shots, so if you aren't... Those will be mostly for the benefit of letting your adversary know that you are armed and dead serious and now would be the best time for them to be dropping their head and getting the F' away.
That is why we focused so hard on our opening shots and instinctive shooting and why even now nearly 40 yrs later my first shots are usually my best shots... when I'm calm.
Hit me with a full shot of adrenaline, sleepy eyes and a dark house and my opening shots will likely need several more following shots to get the job done. (not that I'm suggesting shooting anything while in that situation, but sometimes choices are made for us). So yes to preferring an auto pistol since I can load a new mag while blind.

If my FN 5.7 wasn't so damn loud, I'd prolly consider it the perfect house gun. Especially with the fragmenting target round that wont go through the plaster walls. It gives me 30 rounds per mag to get it right.

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at April 05, 2020 08:47 PM (af5xa)

360 I'm pretty sure the hot brass from a fired weapon will be Chinese Flu free.

So recycle it.

Posted by: torabora at April 05, 2020 08:47 PM (Y274z)

361 Hmmm... maybe only Speer sells directly... I dunno, not my industry.

Posted by: JQ at April 05, 2020 08:47 PM (whOIk)

362 Wash your hands
Keep your hands away from your face
Stay home if you're sick.

This will be over soon.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at April 05, 2020 08:34 PM

Damned hard to sip scotch without putting my hand near my face.

Just sayin'

Posted by: Diogenes at April 05, 2020 08:48 PM (axyOa)

363 At any rate, at least Speer will sell directly!

Sorry if any of my info was incorrect.

Posted by: JQ at April 05, 2020 08:49 PM (whOIk)

364 Well, got here late and leaving early, but always a pleasure!
Till next week!

Thanks again, Weasel.

Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 05, 2020 08:49 PM (cfSRQ)

365 This will be over soon.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at April 05, 2020 08:34 PM (fF8HX)

Wanna know how else you can tell this will be over soon? The level of hype that's being spewed out from these "leaders" and "experts."

Just this weekend I've heard "Hell Week," "Our Pearl Harbor" and "Our 9/11." Sheesh before long it'll be "ALIENS HAVE ARRIVED!!!!"

If the US death toll is estimated to be 100k, I'll take the under in case anybody wants to make a friendly wager.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at April 05, 2020 08:50 PM (Bv5VB)

366 rickb223, head shots are your friend!

Posted by: RI Red at April 05, 2020 08:50 PM (I/Eow)

367 Great thread as always, Weasel!

Off to bed. Even teleworking, the day starts early.

Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at April 05, 2020 08:51 PM (zggXQ)

368 362 Damned hard to sip scotch without putting my hand near my face.
Just sayin'
Posted by: Diogenes at April 05, 2020 08:48 PM (axyOa)

After all the warnings, you're still not loading it into a SuperSoaker and firing it into your mouth?

Shaking my head.

Posted by: Splunge at April 05, 2020 08:51 PM (dOV9E)

369 364 Well, got here late and leaving early, but always a pleasure!
Till next week!

Thanks again, Weasel.
Posted by: Former Gun Owner A.H. Lloyd at April 05, 2020 08:49 PM (cfSRQ)
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My pleasure, AHL! Thanks for stopping by!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 08:51 PM (jUqIO)

370 Bob the Bilderberg, you owe me a glass of wine for that one!

Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 08:51 PM (BQEAt)

371 Posted by: TSgt Ciz

It gives me 30 rounds per mag to get it right.
----------------
No such luck here.

Forget it Jake. It's California

Posted by: TakeFive at April 05, 2020 08:52 PM (uvVVT)

372 367 Great thread as always, Weasel!

Off to bed. Even teleworking, the day starts early.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at April 05, 2020 08:51 PM (zggXQ)
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Thanks TDSOBVO! 'Night!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 08:52 PM (jUqIO)

373 Damned hard to sip scotch without putting my hand near my face.

Just sayin'
Posted by: Diogenes

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Use a bigger glass my friend.

Posted by: Tonypete at April 05, 2020 08:52 PM (Y4EXg)

374 Too bad about CCI sales, would love to order a brick of Stingers directly... stockpile dwindling!

Posted by: JQ at April 05, 2020 08:52 PM (whOIk)

375
Oh Lord, DM headline "Doctors facing temptations of Euthanasia".

IN Catalonia,Spain, if you're too old, they're just going to give you morphine, to ease your suffering. No other treatment whatsoever.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 05, 2020 08:53 PM (f1Vqw)

376 Damned hard to sip scotch without putting my hand near my face.

Just sayin'
Posted by: Diogenes

Use a straw.

A Paper straw

Posted by: Bruce at April 05, 2020 08:53 PM (vd8XM)

377 And let's not forget mines, mostly claymores and
such. Though yuuuge naval mines have always fascinated me - but I can't
think, right off, of a good use I'd have for them.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 08:17 PM (El6T/)

---
bury them or place them in a culvert under a road, and attach a trip wire to one of the horns...

mine proof *that*.

Posted by: redc1c4, ONT Rx tech at April 05, 2020 08:53 PM (vwf8z)

378 Bob the Bilderberg, you owe me a glass of wine for that one!

I look forward to the day I can make good on that.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at April 05, 2020 08:53 PM (qc+VF)

379 Public Range!!
In SE Wisconsin, (Eagle), the State owns the McMiller range. Very nice facility with ranges from 50 feet out to 300 yards, plus shotgun (trap) and bow-and-arrow (!) with target vinyl Bambis set up on a pathway through the woods.
Also sells ammo and (last time I was there) had a dining area set up indoors for BYO chow. Saturdays are usually busy especially in the run-up to deer hunting season, but wait times are almost always less than 30 minutes.
Good range-masters, too!

Posted by: dad29 at April 05, 2020 08:53 PM (5QjOf)

380 So I'll be heading back to the farm this week. Any requests for video content?

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 08:53 PM (jUqIO)

381 You know - if I was John Wick - I guess I'd only need a Derringer. Or a pool cue. Maybe a stick half as long as a pool cue. Or a rope about that long - just to make it sporting.

And I could enjoy the moment, calm and cool and collectively, while I analyzed the threat vectors, calculated my odds, enjoyed the moment like a bored Mack Bolan roused from a deadly slumber. Then, once the bogey was cashiered with surgeon-like precision, I could shake off my manly sweat, put April's ankles around her ears where they belong, and maybe make Johnny some waffles in the morning. You know - if it suited me.

But, until then, I think I'm going to settle on grabbing something that slings a great big cloud of lead - and something that shoots smaller, tighter wads of lead. And the more the better for both of 'em. Of course, I might keep a third lead projector in the nightstand that's kind of simple to use and sorta' in between.

But that's just me. I'm no Mack Bolan or John Wick.

Posted by: I Am No One at April 05, 2020 08:54 PM (UqKfP)

382 My response to the stay-the-f*ck-away-from me orders is to make damn sure I take a nice long walk every day. Wearing my new sporty and stylish DJT Punisher ball cap.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Flying Kites at Night at April 05, 2020 08:54 PM (x8Wzq)

383 357
rancherbob, missed you this afternoon.

Salmon had my full attention! I would've been there otherwise.

Posted by: rancherbob at April 05, 2020 08:54 PM (gtu9W)

384 Damned hard to sip scotch without putting my hand near my face.

Just sayin'

Posted by: Diogenes
--------------------
A very long straw?

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at April 05, 2020 08:54 PM (Mm4NK)

385 Thanks for the thread weasel. I'm sorry I went off topic a bit.

We all need to make an effort to give each other a respite from current events. It would be nice if we were more respectful of specialty threads. Myself included.

Posted by: Nurse ratched at April 05, 2020 08:55 PM (fF8HX)

386 Simmunition would price too many out of shooting in an action bay.

I'm scheduled to be up at The Ranch, maybe a week before all this lock down officially ends. I'll make a phone call to confirm or shift the date.

The pistol bay there can be significantly improved, making it safe for Run&Gun opportunities.

What we *will* need though for Run & Gun, is some manifestly WELL qualified and experienced Range Safety Officers, to stay right on the heels of each and every shooter throughout the run.

Takes some balls to reach out from behind, to a going shooter with a hot gun, and do the emergency clampdown on a run in the midst of going sideways.

But, that's what it takes, that's how it's done.

That, and good walk throughs and safety briefings, first.

Run & Gun can be all kinds of fun, but for those who've never shot beyond the "Square Range" format, it can be more than a bit intimidating.

Let's keep it light, let's keep it fun.

Let's keep it SAFE.

Just enough challenge in the stages to be interesting. Not so challenging as to be a distraction, in and of themselves.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 05, 2020 08:55 PM (QzJWU)

387

Frog doctors are worried they may run out of morphine as well, so they're "tempted" to "accelerate the dying process".

So, shoot 'em in the head?

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 05, 2020 08:55 PM (f1Vqw)

388 Use a bigger glass my friend.
Posted by: Tonypete

This is why I always stay here. Great advice such as this.
You are a great friend.

**pulls down German bier mug from shelf**

Posted by: Diogenes at April 05, 2020 08:56 PM (axyOa)

389 I'm pretty sure the hot brass from a fired weapon will be Chinese Flu free.

So recycle it.
Posted by: torabora at April 05, 2020 08:47 PM

Cartridge brass is generally 80% copper, and appears to be a surface the Chinese Flu survives the shortest on.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 05, 2020 08:56 PM (DMUuz)

390 So I'll be heading back to the farm this week. Any requests for video content?
Posted by: Weasel

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If you could show us something in a phased plasma rifle in a 40 watt range that would be great!

Posted by: Tonypete at April 05, 2020 08:57 PM (Y4EXg)

391 rickb223, head shots are your friend!
Posted by: RI Red

If you are on Facebook, look up Rougarou Hog Control. You get a headshot on the first one. The other 9 or 10 take off and suck up rounds.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 05, 2020 08:57 PM (Bd48Y)

392 385 Thanks for the thread weasel.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at April 05, 2020 08:55 PM (fF8HX)

Is there a thread weasel here?

Posted by: m at April 05, 2020 08:57 PM (M5wRT)

393 Hi dad29! Nice to see a new nic here. Welcome!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 08:57 PM (MVjcR)

394 Grackle hunt!
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at April 05, 2020 08:46 PM (qc+VF)

I can remember walking around late at night in downtown
Houston

like 15 yrs ago, the number of grackles in the trees was frightening, thousands of them

Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2020 08:57 PM (rpxSz)

395 When wives shoot their husbands they rarely miss because they're so used to pointing at them while fighting.

Posted by: The Shape of Vodka at April 05, 2020 08:58 PM (2oYEN)

396 385 Thanks for the thread weasel. I'm sorry I went off topic a bit.

We all need to make an effort to give each other a respite from current events. It would be nice if we were more respectful of specialty threads. Myself included.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at April 05, 2020 08:55 PM (fF8HX)
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Pish! Don't mention it! Always nice to have you here.

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 08:58 PM (MVjcR)

397 Is there a thread weasel here?
Posted by: m at April 05, 2020 08:57 PM (M5wRT)

This is why I keep coming around here. You all are the best.

Posted by: April at April 05, 2020 08:59 PM (OX9vb)

398 380
So I'll be heading back to the farm this week. Any requests for video content?

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 08:53 PM

Tannerite!

Posted by: rancherbob at April 05, 2020 08:59 PM (gtu9W)

399 if I may. Even home defense shotguns need to be aimed. Pattern one at seven yds. To see what I'm talking about.

Posted by: Awkward davies at April 05, 2020 09:00 PM (iviHh)

400 376 Damned hard to sip scotch without putting my hand near my face.

take a used latex glove and make you a teat bag

I've heard it works

Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2020 09:00 PM (rpxSz)

401 #51,

MA is still May Issue and it is most certainly not Shall Issue. Even if issued a license a Chief of Police can put "restrictions" on a license making a Licence to Carry effectively a 'no carry' "License to Cary". Even after Heller and Miller the commonwealth changed the one Shall Issue FID card to May Issue. They effectively ignored the unanimous Caetano ruling from SCotUS too. Utter contempt for the Constitution and the little people.

Posted by: Oh no! Not the bees! at April 05, 2020 09:01 PM (N5dam)

402

If you could show us something in a phased plasma rifle in a 40 watt range that would be great!
Posted by: Tonypete at April 05, 2020 08:57 PM (Y4EXg)
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I'll check the gun safes!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:01 PM (MVjcR)

403
The common thread weasel is like a scalp weasel, but more sneaky and stealthy.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 05, 2020 09:01 PM (f1Vqw)

404 Is there a thread weasel here?
Posted by: m at April 05, 2020 08:57 PM

Don't ask the question if the answer will scare you.

Posted by: Surprise Otter at April 05, 2020 09:02 PM (DMUuz)

405
Sorry to keep posting news shit, but the captain of the Teddy Roosevelt -- the fired one -- has tested positive for the WuFlu.

Posted by: publius, Rascally Rapscallion of a Poperin Pear at April 05, 2020 09:02 PM (f1Vqw)

406
Tannerite!
Posted by: rancherbob at April 05, 2020 08:59 PM (gtu9W)
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In the middle of 30,000 pine trees?

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:02 PM (MVjcR)

407 I'm watching The Storyteller on prime ... John Hurt and a bunch of muppets ... and I am spotting a young Sean Bean and Alison Doody.

Posted by: BourbonChicken with a Face Colander at April 05, 2020 09:03 PM (LxTcq)

408 https://tinyurl.com/ycw44leo

Interesting fatality results for 22LR, but that % not incapacitated is pretty bad.
Of course, rifles and shotguns lead the pack.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at April 05, 2020 09:03 PM (Mm4NK)

409 Dip your fingers into the scotch, sterilizing them, then pick up the glass with your sterilized hand

Posted by: Skip at April 05, 2020 09:04 PM (ZCEU2)

410 In the middle of 30,000 organic, free-range pine trees?
Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:02 PM

FIFY. Branding, you know!

Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 05, 2020 09:04 PM (DMUuz)

411 406

Tannerite!

Posted by: rancherbob at April 05, 2020 08:59 PM (gtu9W)

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In the middle of 30,000 pine trees?

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:02 PM

Quess you don't want to be on the national news.

Posted by: rancherbob at April 05, 2020 09:04 PM (gtu9W)

412 410 In the middle of 30,000 organic, free-range pine trees?
Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:02 PM

FIFY. Branding, you know!
Posted by: Duncanthrax at April 05, 2020 09:04 PM (DMUuz)
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Right!!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:05 PM (MVjcR)

413 Man, this thread costs me money every damn week!

I love it.

Posted by: RI Red at April 05, 2020 09:05 PM (I/Eow)

414 Posted by: Oh no! Not the bees! at April 05, 2020 09:01 PM (N5dam)

I'm in the southern Berkshires and it's never been a problem around here

you must be inside of 495

Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2020 09:05 PM (rpxSz)

415 Interesting fatality results for 22LR, but that % not incapacitated is pretty bad.
Of course, rifles and shotguns lead the pack.
Posted by: AshevilleRobert

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Wow, those numbers blow me away!

Posted by: Zombie Bobby Kennedy at April 05, 2020 09:06 PM (Y4EXg)

416 Quess you don't want to be on the national news.
Posted by: rancherbob at April 05, 2020 09:04 PM (gtu9W)
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He doesn't want to waste all that potential toilet paper. There's gold in them there trees.

Posted by: bluebell at April 05, 2020 09:06 PM (/669Q)

417 torabora, I absolutely do not know the official status of things, but around here in CA the stores are giving you paper bags for free and not really allowing reusables in the store. So, de facto, disposable/plastic bag ban suspended.

And I'm wondering if I should go visit a former colleague range officer over in AZ - to use the nice local ranges (if they're open).

Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 09:06 PM (El6T/)

418 Weasel. do not listen to rancherbob.

I would like a video of --- Oh well, never mind.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 09:07 PM (BQEAt)

419 This is the logic the Navy and Army struggled with,
but most of it had to do with enemy distance typical in fighting...the
45 was meant for close quarters, of course, and stopping power, the 9MM
was meant for accuracy on target, which had its own stopping power to be
sure. If you've been in close quarters, as my Dad was, with the enemy,
you felt a lot more confident that you could stop the enemy's advance
with a "John Wayner" than a pea shooter, so changing that mind set was
something the military struggled to reverse in my later years.

Posted by: Boswell
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Actually the quote you pulled is from me. The previous poster messed up when he edited in his comment to my post.

The reason the military went to the .45 in the first place was about stopping power. But that is an entirely different discussion than when talking to civilians. Military use is going to be young people of good health who will be expected train extensively to attain proficiency and to have a predilection to fire their weapon. Thus the .38 Long Colt was replaced with the .45 because accuracy was considered to be about on par and stopping power plus the ability to reload with a mag meant it was magnitudes better.
the 9mm replaced the .45 because of a number of reasons but mostly because of the extra rounds per ma and the ability to carry more rounds into the field. It was also kinder and cheaper to shoot to proficiency.
My contacts in the military are telling me that there is interest in looking for a little more umph once more.
But again, what is right for the service member who shoots Gov ammo on a constant basis to develop proficiency is different than what would be right for any one of the ettes or non military Morons.
I would near gleefully go for my 1911, that I carried while in service, but I would shudder to think of my wife doing so. She's probably shoot the dog.

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at April 05, 2020 09:07 PM (af5xa)

420
Quess you don't want to be on the national news.
Posted by: rancherbob at April 05, 2020 09:04 PM (gtu9W)
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Not like that!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:08 PM (MVjcR)

421 Miculek isn't human. He's something else. Better. Faster.
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo

Wholly plausible. Posted by: hogmartin

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Guy at my shooting league could empty his revolver, reload it, and empty it again before anyone else could get through a magazine in their semi's, and he'd score much better to boot.

Posted by: AshevilleRobert at April 05, 2020 09:08 PM (Mm4NK)

422 Grackle hunt!

Those things come in packs to my garden to do my tomatoes harm. If you shoot the scout they move on. Retirement.

Posted by: dartist at April 05, 2020 09:08 PM (K22Va)

423 My first hand gun is a SandW MAndP 9mm compact. It was recommended by a police officer friend. It's OK. I don't have anything to compare it to. Don't care much for the trigger.

Posted by: Ronster at April 05, 2020 09:08 PM (d+o+d)

424 413 Man, this thread costs me money every damn week!

I love it.
Posted by: RI Red at April 05, 2020 09:05 PM (I/Eow)
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Call me if you would like to discuss!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:09 PM (MVjcR)

425 418 Weasel. do not listen to rancherbob.

I would like a video of --- Oh well, never mind.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 09:07 PM (BQEAt)
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I'll come up with something, but no more outtakes!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:09 PM (MVjcR)

426 I'm in the southern Berkshires and it's never been a problem around here

you must be inside of 495
Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2020 09:05 PM

I used to be on the north shore and my city was very friendly to carry permits. I assume it's even better out here in the 413.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 05, 2020 09:10 PM (ejd/p)

427 He doesn't want to waste all that potential toilet paper. There's gold in them there trees.

Posted by: bluebell at April 05, 2020 09:06 PM

Hi Bluebell,
It's so wet here you couldn't start a fire in the woods with a flamethrower.

Posted by: rancherbob at April 05, 2020 09:10 PM (gtu9W)

428 Late in the thread, maybe better next week.
Muzzle brakes?

Posted by: RI Red at April 05, 2020 09:11 PM (I/Eow)

429 Damned hard to sip scotch without putting my hand near my face.

Spill some on your hands. It kills everything.

Posted by: dartist at April 05, 2020 09:11 PM (K22Va)

430 416 Quess you don't want to be on the national news.
Posted by: rancherbob at April 05, 2020 09:04 PM (gtu9W)
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He doesn't want to waste all that potential toilet paper. There's gold in them there trees.
Posted by: bluebell at April 05, 2020 09:06 PM (/669Q)
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You better believe it!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:12 PM (MVjcR)

431 So I'll be heading back to the farm this week. Any requests for video content?
Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 08:53 PM

Now there's a comment no Moron will pounce and seize on.

No, siree. That low hanging fruit will be completely ignored...

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 05, 2020 09:13 PM (ejd/p)

432 I'm likely to complete all my reloading tasks during this thing. Ammo cans will be full, will even have primed 30-06 brass for next round with that. Really should disassemble and clean one of the M1 carbines, or give the repro one another coat of BLO for nice walnut stock. Think I did the 1911 not long ago.

CZ-83, still a bit leery. Pin holding the extractor seemed frozen when I first got it and tried to at least disassemble the slide, and the intertoobs have tales of woe about re-assembling the trigger assembly if you do a 100% take-down. It's a surplus gun.

I now have evolved to careful, as opposed to manic, cleaning of my guns - to maintain functionality, or prevent any kind of damage - otherwise, wipe it down and keep the bore clear.

Posted by: rhomboid at April 05, 2020 09:13 PM (El6T/)

433 "like to point out that a record polar bear was taken with a single shot 22 rifle. "

Ever see "Nanook of the North".? He killed a f'n walrus with a harpoon.

Posted by: freakdd at April 05, 2020 09:13 PM (Tnijr)

434 275 Looking at the Colt Defender
anyone here have any experience with?
Posted by: DB- just DB, under house arrest at April 05, 2020 08:26 PM (iTXRQ)

Hey, DB. I have one in Stainless.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at April 05, 2020 09:14 PM (di1hb)

435 Weasel, I rescind that. Tannerite= big hole in the ground=stock tank= government grant Listen to rancherbob.

Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 09:14 PM (BQEAt)

436 431 So I'll be heading back to the farm this week. Any requests for video content?
Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 08:53 PM

Now there's a comment no Moron will pounce and seize on.

No, siree. That low hanging fruit will be completely ignored...
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 05, 2020 09:13 PM (ejd/p
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No kidding.

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:14 PM (MVjcR)

437 Spill some on your hands. It kills everything.
Posted by: dartist at April 05, 2020 09:11 PM

Spill. Scotch.

O_o

I can't even....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 05, 2020 09:14 PM (ejd/p)

438 I used to be on the north shore and my city was very friendly to carry permits. I assume it's even better out here in the 413.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 05, 2020 09:10 PM (ejd/p)

they pretend to pass laws to protect us and we pretend to follow them

Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2020 09:14 PM (rpxSz)

439
Is there a thread weasel here?
Posted by: m

No, but there's a garden weasel.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 05, 2020 09:15 PM (aKsyK)

440 435 Weasel, I rescind that. Tannerite= big hole in the ground=stock tank= government grant Listen to rancherbob.
Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 09:14 PM (BQEAt)
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Now there's an idea!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:15 PM (MVjcR)

441 On setting up a run & gun:

If they are new to the practical shooting format, be sure to have them go SLOW at first. It took me a while before I was willing to start upping the speed... well, what I consider speedy is pretty slow for a lot of the good ones.

Posted by: ghbucky at April 05, 2020 09:16 PM (s9Eo8)

442 Hang the bottle upside down and start an IV. It is known.

Posted by: Eromero at April 05, 2020 09:16 PM (XhWtx)

443 they pretend to pass laws to protect us and we pretend to follow them
Posted by: REDACTED at April 05, 2020 09:14 PM

I've been told I live in a nice, gun-friendly town.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 05, 2020 09:16 PM (ejd/p)

444 Spill. Scotch.

Soon as I hit post I knew it was a mistake.

Posted by: dartist at April 05, 2020 09:16 PM (K22Va)

445 My contacts in the military are telling me that there is interest in looking for a little more umph once more.
But again, what is right for the service member who shoots Gov ammo on a constant basis to develop proficiency is different than what would be right for any one of the ettes or non military Morons.
I would near gleefully go for my 1911, that I carried while in service, but I would shudder to think of my wife doing so. She's probably shoot the dog.
Posted by: TSgt Ciz at April 05, 2020 09:07 PM (af5xa)

...

In the article about stopping power he comments on the effect of the 9mm results being skewed by ball ammo in the military.

Seems like it might be "easier" to switch to a different bullet rather than change calibers, but I know that ain't happening.

Posted by: TexasDan at April 05, 2020 09:17 PM (yL25O)

446 380 weasal
I'd like to see and aerial view of your farm from say Google Earth, could you post that. As an entirely different type of farmer, corn and soybeans here, I'm interested in the looks of a tree farm.

Posted by: Farmer at April 05, 2020 09:17 PM (5H1w6)

447 >>> 365 This will be over soon.
Posted by: Nurse ratched at April 05, 2020 08:34 PM (fF8HX)

Wanna know how else you can tell this will be over soon? The level of hype that's being spewed out from these "leaders" and "experts."

Just this weekend I've heard "Hell Week," "Our Pearl Harbor" and "Our 9/11." Sheesh before long it'll be "ALIENS HAVE ARRIVED!!!!"

If the US death toll is estimated to be 100k, I'll take the under in case anybody wants to make a friendly wager.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at April 05, 2020 08:50 PM (Bv5VB)

We'll take that action!

Now we just have to make sure *every* fatality is marked as COVID-19 from now on.

Posted by: This... is China News Network at April 05, 2020 09:17 PM (0ReGO)

448 No such luck here.

Forget it Jake. It's California

Posted by: TakeFive
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Yeah, that is a bum situation. Do you choose your best bet for survival or legality.
Glad I'm not in your situation. The simplest solution is lots of extra mags. Heck, even with the bigger mags I already do that, but in your case I would REALLY do that, hidden like Easter eggs in the house.

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at April 05, 2020 09:18 PM (af5xa)

449 Ben Had, are you saying that you'll let us blow up shit and make holes in the ground?
Please to reserve space at TXMoMe.

Posted by: RI Red at April 05, 2020 09:18 PM (I/Eow)

450 446 380 weasal
I'd like to see and aerial view of your farm from say Google Earth, could you post that. As an entirely different type of farmer, corn and soybeans here, I'm interested in the looks of a tree farm.
Posted by: Farmer at April 05, 2020 09:17 PM (5H1w6)
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I have a drone and can take some shots, sure.

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:19 PM (MVjcR)

451 Posted by: bluebell at April 05, 2020 09:06 PM (/669Q)

Bluebell, you were mentioned up-thread. At nos. 47 and 57.

Posted by: m at April 05, 2020 09:19 PM (M5wRT)

452 451 Posted by: bluebell at April 05, 2020 09:06 PM (/669Q)

Bluebell, you were mentioned up-thread. At nos. 47 and 57.
Posted by: m at April 05, 2020 09:19 PM (M5wRT)
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I wouldn't bother looking at those.

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:20 PM (MVjcR)

453 Oh really, Weasel? Guess I need to go take a look.

BRB.

Posted by: bluebell at April 05, 2020 09:22 PM (/669Q)

454 Uh oh.

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:23 PM (MVjcR)

455 loooooooong pause

Posted by: m at April 05, 2020 09:24 PM (M5wRT)

456 I don't like it. Too quiet.

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:24 PM (MVjcR)

457 RI Red, the MoMe is at rancherbob's place and you see who brought up the tannerite didn't you!

Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 09:25 PM (BQEAt)

458 I don't like it. Too quiet.
Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:24 PM

Shivs don't make noise.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 05, 2020 09:26 PM (ejd/p)

459 Weasel, you shouldn't have published that picture of my house without my permission. I didn't have a chance to dust.

Posted by: bluebell at April 05, 2020 09:26 PM (/669Q)

460 458 I don't like it. Too quiet.
Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:24 PM

Shivs don't make noise.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 05, 2020 09:26 PM (ejd/p)
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I know!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:26 PM (MVjcR)

461 I wouldn't bother looking at those.
Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:20 PM

Either a rookie mistake, or a B're Rabbit ploy.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at April 05, 2020 09:26 PM (DMUuz)

462 459 Weasel, you shouldn't have published that picture of my house without my permission. I didn't have a chance to dust.

Posted by: bluebell at April 05, 2020 09:26 PM (/669Q)
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Sorry!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:27 PM (MVjcR)

463 Anyone need live targets for a live fire exercise?

Two scumbags busted stealing medical supplies

https://valorguardians.com/blog/?p=97991

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 05, 2020 09:27 PM (XRarA)

464 I really need to do a little painting too. All that white looks so institutional.

Posted by: bluebell at April 05, 2020 09:27 PM (/669Q)

465 ..If they are new to the practical shooting format, be sure to have them go SLOW at first. It took me a while before I was willing to start upping the speed... well, what I consider speedy is pretty slow for a lot of the good ones.

Posted by: ghbucky at April 05, 2020 09:16 PM (s9Eo8

You are entirely correct.

Pacing shooters who are new to action shooting stages is serious business.

Vests w/ plates are the RSO's fashion statement of note, of course.

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 05, 2020 09:28 PM (QzJWU)

466 464 I really need to do a little painting too. All that white looks so institutional.
Posted by: bluebell at April 05, 2020 09:27 PM (/669Q)
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Let the state do it!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:29 PM (MVjcR)

467 I really need to do a little painting too. All that white looks so institutional.
Posted by: bluebell at April 05, 2020 09:27 PM

Puce and seafoam were mentioned in an earlier thread today.

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at April 05, 2020 09:29 PM (DMUuz)

468 Man, this thread costs me money every damn week!

You would just blow it on food or rent anyway.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 05, 2020 09:30 PM (yQpMk)

469 Well, literally 50% of every single person currently testing positive right now would have to die to get anywhere near the CDC's last week prediction of 100K to 250K dead in the US. The death rate is less than 10K out of a tiny subset of Americans who have been actually tested and came back positive - after two weeks of being at home anyway ...you can't even get a test at all for COVID-19 in New York unless you visit a clinic and are considered life threatened...ie over 103 fever and have life threatening conditions - so 90% of everyone going to the doctor right now in NY with an upper respiratory infection and fever gets sent home with no testing at all...

Bottom line, you'll never get tested for COVID-19 in New York unless you're going to hospitalized. So there is absolutely no way to know if you'll ever get this and just move on.

Posted by: Boswell at April 05, 2020 09:30 PM (32YRo)

470 I have a few guns. Some never fired. Never fired my Gfathers 300 Savage. Never fired Gfathers 28 ga. shotty. Never fired the Hawkins 52cal. kit gun I put together. I have fired the .22 cal dropping block a lot. I really like my newly purchased Henry .410. Very expensive .410, but you only live once.

Posted by: Ronster at April 05, 2020 09:31 PM (d+o+d)

471 Time for my 9:30 thank you comment. So Thank You all for stopping by each week and spending some time here. Y'all are the best!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:31 PM (MVjcR)

472 Thank you Weasel!

Posted by: westminsterdogshow.....Coloradomorondezvous2020 at April 05, 2020 09:33 PM (/UQ/R)

473 Wanna know how else you can tell this will be over soon? The level of
hype that's being spewed out from these "leaders" and "experts."

Just this weekend I've heard "Hell Week," "Our Pearl Harbor" and
"Our 9/11." Sheesh before long it'll be "ALIENS HAVE ARRIVED!!!!"

If the US death toll is estimated to be 100k, I'll take the under in case anybody wants to make a friendly wager.

Posted by: Emperor Country Boy

Total deaths from motor vehicle accidents - 1918 : 10,390

Total deaths from COVID US - 2020 : 7,616

Posted by: deplorable unperson - END THE LOCKDOWN : It's just a damn bug at April 05, 2020 09:34 PM (MQ0v4)

474 If the US death toll is estimated to be 100k, I'll take the under in case anybody wants to make a friendly wager.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at April 05, 2020 08:50 PM (Bv5VB)

We'll take that action!

Now we just have to make sure *every* fatality is marked as COVID-19 from now on.
Posted by: This... is China News Network

They're already doing it.

https://tinyurl.com/rtpwzah

Posted by: rickb223 at April 05, 2020 09:34 PM (Bd48Y)

475 Posted by: westminsterdogshow.....Coloradomorondezvous2020 at April 05, 2020 09:33 PM (/UQ/R)
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You are most welcome.

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:34 PM (MVjcR)

476 This is the most anticipated thread of the week. Thank you, Weasel.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 05, 2020 09:34 PM (yQpMk)

477 Weasel--More outtakes,please!

Posted by: Ladyl at April 05, 2020 09:34 PM (TdMsT)

478 ONT is nood.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at April 05, 2020 09:34 PM (A5zUN)

479
The entire thing is a mass hysteria. All of it. From the individual shopper-on-the-street to the White House.

This is going to be remembered along with daycare Satanists and Salem Witches as an object lesson in mob psychology.

Everyone is swept along in the hysteria, whether or not he's actually hysterical himself. It's fuckin' crazy.

Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at April 05, 2020 09:35 PM (II2Y0)

480 Si senor weasel. Muchas gracias y buenas noche.

Posted by: Eromero at April 05, 2020 09:35 PM (XhWtx)

481 Did I tell you guys I dug up (literally, from under the XXXXXXX XXXX) one of my Nagant pistols? I was curious as to how well it (and the ammo) had weathered 10+ years of not a canoe accident. Yup, still shoots. Yup, still has what must be a 16lb trigger pull.

I'm a bury it again, and it's brother. Somewhere else

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at April 05, 2020 09:35 PM (gMngZ)

482 Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 05, 2020 09:34 PM (yQpMk)
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Thanks Grump!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:37 PM (MVjcR)

483 477 Weasel--More outtakes,please!
Posted by: Ladyl at April 05, 2020 09:34 PM (TdMsT)
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Well.... ok.

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:37 PM (MVjcR)

484 Weasel, Thank You. Love Ya

Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 09:37 PM (BQEAt)

485 480 Si senor weasel. Muchas gracias y buenas noche.
Posted by: Eromero at April 05, 2020 09:35 PM (XhWtx)
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Con mucho gusto! Buenas noche, amigo!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:39 PM (MVjcR)

486 484 Weasel, Thank You. Love Ya
Posted by: Ben Had at April 05, 2020 09:37 PM (BQEAt)
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Same here, my friend. Same here.

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:39 PM (MVjcR)

487 Weasel - thanks as always!

Posted by: Tonypete at April 05, 2020 09:40 PM (Y4EXg)

488 Hmm, Sunday ONT is early lately. Maybe they're trying to tell us something. Thanks again, Weasel, for another great gun thread.

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at April 05, 2020 09:40 PM (qc+VF)

489 487 Weasel - thanks as always!
Posted by: Tonypete at April 05, 2020 09:40 PM (Y4EXg)
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You're welcome Tonypete!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:41 PM (MVjcR)

490 Weasel. Your product on the Gun Thread remains consistently excellent.

There are hundreds of established gun-writers out there, many having been publishing for decades. Big names in the print industry, going back to pre-internet days.

There are thousands of aspiring "wanna-bees", with their various blog and you tube platforms.

At this point though?

You're at most, a half-step behind the Big Names in the gunblog world.

And closing fast.

Couldn't happen for a better Weasel, I'd say!

Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 05, 2020 09:41 PM (QzJWU)

491 488 Hmm, Sunday ONT is early lately. Maybe they're trying to tell us something. Thanks again, Weasel, for another great gun thread.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at April 05, 2020 09:40 PM (qc+VF)
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My pleasure, BtB. Thanks for being here!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:42 PM (MVjcR)

492 Weasel,

Thanks, as always, for the thread. Always a good time. Any thread that involves Ruger Old Army revolvers is a success. Have fun down at the Farm.

Posted by: JTB at April 05, 2020 09:42 PM (7EjX1)

493 474 If the US death toll is estimated to be 100k, I'll take the under in case anybody wants to make a friendly wager.
Posted by: Emperor Country Boy at April 05, 2020 08:50 PM (Bv5VB)

We'll take that action!

Now we just have to make sure *every* fatality is marked as COVID-19 from now on.
Posted by: This... is China News Network

They're already doing it.

https://tinyurl.com/rtpwzah
Posted by: rickb223 at April 05, 2020 09:34 PM (Bd48Y)

That guidance (NVSS COVID-19 Alert No. 2; dated March 24, 2020) has since been updated.

NVSS Vital Statistics Reporting Guidance, Report No. 3; dated April 2020:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

Posted by: m at April 05, 2020 09:44 PM (M5wRT)

494 Jim
Sunk New Dawn
Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at April 05, 2020 09:41 PM (QzJWU)
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Thanks Jim. I appreciate the kind words!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:44 PM (MVjcR)

495 Posted by: JTB at April 05, 2020 09:42 PM (7EjX1)
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Thank you, JTB. I really appreciate you being here every week!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:49 PM (MVjcR)

496 I left specific instructions to avoid soul warming.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 05, 2020 09:49 PM (JCrfD)

497 Thanks Weasel!

Posted by: dartist at April 05, 2020 09:51 PM (K22Va)

498 497 Thanks Weasel!
Posted by: dartist at April 05, 2020 09:51 PM (K22Va)
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You're very welcome dartist. Nice to have you here.

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 09:54 PM (MVjcR)

499 As if anyone is going to read this, the bestest, fastest, most comfortable holster for almost any modern automatic is the Azulagunholsters dot com cross draw seated holster in leather. $49.00 delivered.

Fits a 1-1/2" belt. It's outside the belt, but when worn under a loose shirt (especially if you have a belly) it's invisible. And available. It's right there. You can touch the gun through the shirt to hold it, if necessary.

No thumb snap. It simply sits there, in its leather pocket, always ready. And it's leather, meaning it softens and conforms with age. But it is still easy to reholster; the pocket is reinforced so it doesn't collapse.

You can cross draw from seated position or standing.

And it can take a really large gun, if you want. Even an FN FNX45, which is 15 rounds of delicious .45ACP.

Posted by: Dan at April 05, 2020 10:01 PM (+NG5U)

500 Oh, c'mon! We gotta make 500!

Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at April 05, 2020 10:02 PM (qc+VF)

501 And we did! Thanks BtB!

Posted by: Weasel at April 05, 2020 10:06 PM (MVjcR)

502 Milled out two receivers today, not including "fixing" the one I f'ed up. Sending it to a local place, where they can re-aluminize (is that a word?) the area that received some overly enthusiastic milling. I get one of these built and I'm gonna brag, brag, brag

McGyver, over

Posted by: McGyver at April 05, 2020 10:07 PM (gMngZ)

503 TSgt Ciz - interesting thanks for the insight.

Posted by: TeleSkier at April 05, 2020 10:37 PM (ua1m6)

504 The demorats worked far in advance of this flu crisis to capitalize on it when it finally happened. Demanding the consolidation of schools (people concentrations), demanding the borders be open to bring eradicated sicknesses back to America, demanding China get critical industries moved to China, we would then be dependant on, and the economic weakening of America. Not forgetting energy dependence demorats have forced on America over many decades, causing expensive shortages of energy and high prices, like Obama insisting America had to have $10 a gallon gasoline. Dermorats have their fingerprints all over this invented crisis, oh yeah, they say blame President Trump, while demorats delayed actions as long as they could get away with-Pelosi.

Posted by: ron n. at April 05, 2020 11:49 PM (om5HK)

505 In the Barrel, no one can hear you bark.

Posted by: Mike hammer, etc., etc. at April 06, 2020 12:11 AM (fUKvD)

506 One good thing about living in a place where carrying a firearm is verboten: the cops that stop you while driving never even think about asking if you are armed.

Some background: My home has only secure garage parking for two vehicles. As a result, I bought a factory unit about 15 minutes away to store stuff (like extra cars) and work on stuff (like cars). Since I was on a limited (wife-controlled) budget, I bought in a somewhat dodgy area. During the day it's fine, but night time is when the riff-raff are about, and coincidentally, when I have spare time to work on things (like cars). I have been accosted by undesirables a couple of times when leaving the workshop to head home late at night, so I habitually carry a sidearm. Usually it's a Glock 35 in .40 S&W, stuffed full of Remington hollow-points. Everything about carrying it is illegal, down to the 15 round magazine in my 10-round maximum police state.

Back to the story:
I had just finished up an item on the wish-list of things to be done and, seeing that it was 2 AM, washed up, packed up, locked up, and headed home.

Onto the highway, heading home, and the local politzei have set up a "booze bus", where EVERYBODY on the road is stopped and breath-tested for alcohol. At this time, and in this place, with Wuhan flu about, I count SEVEN police officers, FIVE police cars, and the central bus - all to stop ONE car; mine.

I stop as directed, and the officer asks all sorts of intrusive questions, like:
How are you?
Having a pleasant evening?
Are you enjoying the cooler weather?

Having regard to the judicial time-bomb at my hip, I am less curt than usual:
Fine.
Yes.
Yes.
Please identify yourself, and tell me why I am being stopped.

I am Constable SoandSo. I am stopping you under "Random Drink Drive Prevention Law". I require a breath sample ...blahblahblah.

I blow into the machine, the test is negative for alcohol, I demand the disposable mouth piece, and I drive on.

Consequences of being caught carrying a firearm: extremely negative.
RISK of being caught carrying a firearm: extremely LOW, because the police don't think to ask.

Posted by: Sendarius at April 06, 2020 01:17 AM (WSJOH)

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