It's Our Constitution...If We Can keep It.

It's a little histrionic, but the point is valid and powerful...

During a democratic town hall event hosted by the Human Rights Campaign and CNN on October 10, 2019, then-candidate Beto O’Rourke proposed revoking the tax-exempt status of churches and religious organizations that oppose gay marriage. “There can be no reward, no benefit, no tax break,” he intoned, “for anyone, or any institution, any organization in America, that denies the full human rights and the full civil rights of every single one of us.” O’Rourke’s abuse of the term “civil rights”—his pandering attempt to borrow the moral grandeur of 1964 in order to abrogate the First Amendment—is no longer an anomaly. On the contrary, as Christopher Caldwell so ably shows in The Age of Entitlement, his remark is a perfect example of what civil rights has come to mean.
One of the most astute observers of contemporary politics, Caldwell argues that the United States now has two constitutions. The first is the one on the books. The second arose in the 1960s and replaced the old liberties with new, incompatible ones based on group identities. “Much of what we have called ‘polarization’ or ‘incivility’ in recent years is something more grave,” he writes. “[I]t is the disagreement over which of the two constitutions shall prevail.” More bracing still, he puts the blame for this crisis on the most sacred totem in American politics: our civil rights legislation.

Civil Rights today is no more than an industry designed to transfer wealth from person "A" to person "B," at the expense of the intent of the framers.

I find most offensive the idea that Americans are incapable of change. That we are incapable of making informed decisions. For instance, I believe it is a business owner's right to exclude anyone he wishes from his establishment. And it is my right to bypass his establishment on the way to one whose owner is more in tune with what I believe about "civil rights."

Would America have moved past race as a primary indicator of social standing (and so much more) without federal civil rights legislation? Yes, I believe so. Would it have happened as quickly? Perhaps not, but we would not have been left with a massive federal bureaucracy that is coupled to an equally massive grift, which have combined to sour the basic idea of civil equality.

It's a mess, and I don't see much on the horizon that can reverse it.

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Posted by: CBD at 02:15 PM

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1 Okay first.

Posted by: roscoe at February 23, 2020 02:19 PM (WX+x0)

2 The national compact has been dissolved.

Posted by: roscoe at February 23, 2020 02:20 PM (WX+x0)

3 Rapture?

Posted by: roscoe at February 23, 2020 02:21 PM (WX+x0)

4 power corrupts

Posted by: chango butt at February 23, 2020 02:21 PM (B+t5k)

5 There can be no reward, no benefit, no tax break, he intoned, for anyone, or any institution, any organization in America, that denies the full human rights and the full civil rights of every single one of us.

I don't know of any religious institution that opposes civil unions sanctioned by the state. State protocols have no right to intrude on a religious institutions sacramental tradition.

Posted by: kallisto at February 23, 2020 02:22 PM (kD8Fh)

6 LBJ should be dug up, taken out back and shot.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 02:23 PM (XyVor)

7 If you think about it, slavery would have ended without the tragedy of the Civil War. Slavery was becoming untendible as an institution anyway because of mechanization. It might have just taken a few years longer.

Posted by: Traveling Man&&&& at February 23, 2020 02:24 PM (J9I4C)

8 Good Afternoon Horde.

Posted by: BigZesty at February 23, 2020 02:24 PM (jPXu7)

9 We laughed when Beto, with all his talk about taking our AR-15s, had to bow out after getting pretty much zero support.

Sanders is a strong contender for the Dem nomination, and he's 50 times crazier.

Posted by: PabloD at February 23, 2020 02:25 PM (a0kj6)

10 Would America have moved past race as a primary indicator of social standing (and so much more) without federal civil rights legislation? Yes, I believe so.

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Fighting fire with fire just burned the house down.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 23, 2020 02:26 PM (+y/Ru)

11 Having doubts lately

Posted by: Skip at February 23, 2020 02:27 PM (ZCEU2)

12 Wuzzat mean, zackly?
Is is now hyper-sensitive? Lightened the trigger down to 2 lbs?
Untested?

Maybe just keep it pointed at the floor until it's time.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 23, 2020 02:28 PM (z79tQ)

13 Er, perhaps I should've copied and pasted the relevant part.

[The Ban HammerTM was just overhauled, so please be aware!]

Posted by: CBD at 02:15 PM

Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 23, 2020 02:28 PM (z79tQ)

14 Tom Elliott@tomselliott
.@davidfrum: Trump is ""one of the fattest presidents ever, the least physically capable president since Franklin Delano Roosevelt was in a wheelchair"

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Yeah, boy, that Trump is a lazy SOB who never does anything.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 23, 2020 02:29 PM (+y/Ru)

15 Gotta wonder if the pendulum will stop and start swinging back before it reaches rights for pedophiles or not.

Posted by: TexasDan at February 23, 2020 02:29 PM (hr5kG)

16 Only a matter of time European Hate Speach laws will get here, probably in the same form as Virginia taking away 2nd Amendment rights.

Posted by: Skip at February 23, 2020 02:30 PM (ZCEU2)

17 Can we haz the new banhammer specs, please?

Posted by: squeakywheel at February 23, 2020 02:31 PM (JRXet)

18 Yeah, boy, that Trump is a lazy SOB who never does anything.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 23, 2020 02:29 PM (+y/Ru)

He seems filled with Vim and/or Vigor.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 02:32 PM (XyVor)

19 Regarding the civil rights thing, it appears that civil rights not enumerated in the constitution have taken precedence over the enumerated ones. That's the way the left likes it.
Freedom of association has been stripped away from regular folks, to the detriment of all.
For example, I wonder how many duplex units would become available if the live-in owners were allowed to choose who to rent to, or not.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 23, 2020 02:32 PM (z79tQ)

20 .@davidfrum: Trump is ""one of the fattest presidents ever, the least physically capable president since Franklin Delano Roosevelt was in a wheelchair"
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"...the least physically capable..."

What does this mean? I'd like to see Frum do three rallies in three months , not three days--as Trump just did.....

Posted by: JoeF. at February 23, 2020 02:33 PM (CqE5x)

21 Here's what I have noticed about the Left:

They opposed civil rights as long as it was about ensuring that everyone got to enjoy their God-given, inalienable rights.

The Left only champions "civil rights" when it involves allowing some people to trample the inalienable rights of other people.

Posted by: Emmie at February 23, 2020 02:33 PM (87gB3)

22 If a lawyer wins a civil rights lawsuit against the government the government pays the lawyer on top of the settlement.

Congress did that to encourage feasting at y government trough. Ex Congress critters get put on the pad at biglaw firms to dip their legal beaks in the moola.

Posted by: torabora at February 23, 2020 02:33 PM (G5XIB)

23 So according to Jack Posobiec on Twitter that Bernie Bro, Alex Friedmann, arrested in Nashville last week for planting loaded guns in a jail under construction and planning a mass escape turns out to have served a previous prison sentence of 20 years for attempted murder and aggravated robbery.

He also served as a "criminal justice consultant" on Bernie's 2016 campaign.

Of course no one in the MSM is touching the story at all.

Posted by: Nevyan at February 23, 2020 02:34 PM (a7HML)

24 Almost every law passed since FDR was President has been unconstitutional. The reason: FDR packed the court with communists who did not give a shit for the constitution. 4 terms will allow a lot of SCOTUS appointments.

We are just now recovering from those awful years but all those laws are not going away.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2020 02:35 PM (mpXpK)

25 If I were black, I'd be highly insulted that gays and transgenders utilize the language and political apparatus of the Civil Rights movement for the ends.....

Posted by: JoeF. at February 23, 2020 02:35 PM (CqE5x)

26 Yeah, boy, that Trump is a lazy SOB who never does anything.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 23, 2020 02:29 PM (+y/Ru)

He seems filled with Vim and/or Vigor.

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Jumpin' Don Flash he's a gas gas gas!

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 23, 2020 02:35 PM (+y/Ru)

27 There was no need for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

The 14th Amendment had it covered and all that was needed was to enforce it.

Of course the people who were not enforcing it were......wait for it........democrats.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 23, 2020 02:36 PM (Z+IKu)

28 "Civil rights" as currently intoned is just another weapon used to beat on the opponents of the left's constant grasping for power over every aspect of our lives.

Posted by: Blanco Basura -It's OK, I'm with the banned at February 23, 2020 02:36 PM (xkSJa)

29 "It's a mess, and I don't see much on the horizon that can reverse it.

[The Ban HammerTM was just overhauled, so please be aware!]"

There is only one absolutely proven method to reverse it. Your second sentence reveals why WE will never be organized enough to actually use it.

Posted by: SDN at February 23, 2020 02:37 PM (K9d/B)

30 Buttseks is an essential human expression and we are doomed if there is not a tax advantage applied to it!

Posted by: klaftern at February 23, 2020 02:37 PM (RuIsu)

31 Yeah, boy, that Trump is a lazy SOB who never does anything.
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I'm a lot younger and thinner than Trump, but I wish I had half his stamina. He's like the Energizer Bunny. I was impressed with him back in 2016, flying or riding from one campaign event to the next, without missing a beat: holding rallies, giving speeches, answering questions, and always appearing sharp. It's an exhausting way to live, even for a relatively short period of time, but he never acted like he was feeling the strain -- unlike, say, Hillary Clinton, who wasn't putting forth anywhere near the physical effort that Trump was, but still appeared worn and tired much of the time.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at February 23, 2020 02:37 PM (k4dH2)

32 Rapture?
Posted by: roscoe at February 23, 2020 02:21 PM (WX+x0)

Funny.

Except if true and you're still here...

Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 23, 2020 02:38 PM (z79tQ)

33 #19. If you keep your rentals under five you an discriminate on any basis you want. Especially true in fourplexes you live in.

But don't be overt because a strike suit against you can cost you lots of money defending it.

Posted by: torabora at February 23, 2020 02:38 PM (G5XIB)

34 Rapture?

It was about Fab 5 Freddy and eating cars from Mars.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 23, 2020 02:40 PM (gd9RK)

35 I don't know of any religious institution that opposes civil unions sanctioned by the state. State protocols have no right to intrude on a religious institutions sacramental tradition.
Posted by: kallisto at February 23, 2020 02:22 PM

My church values matrimony and childrearing. In fact, one of the few reasons to get a divorce and annulment is that the union is incapable of producing children.Artificial means are, too, as it requires selective abortion.

Pete thinks he can do the job on the Catholics that Henry VIII couldn't? He thinks the Orthodox Churches that endured violence and gulags is going to blanch because of taxes?

He needs to repent.

Posted by: NaughtyPine at February 23, 2020 02:41 PM (/+bwe)

36 There is only one absolutely proven method to
reverse it. Your second sentence reveals why WE will never be organized
enough to actually use it.

Posted by: SDN at February 23, 2020 02:37 PM (K9d/B)

Wrongo. This is a private blog. I enforce Ace's rules, and if you don't like that you can leave.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2020 02:41 PM (dLLD6)

37 27
There was no need for the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

The 14th Amendment had it covered and all that was needed was to enforce it.

Of course the people who were not enforcing it were......wait for it........democrats.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 23, 2020 02:36 PM (Z+IKu)

There are a lot of things in the civil rights act of 1964 that are not in the 14th amendment. And most of them are unconstitutional. The civil rights act of 1964 essentially eliminate private property. And that was long before Kelo which is also unconstitutional as hell.

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2020 02:41 PM (mpXpK)

38 34 Rapture?

It was about Fab 5 Freddy and eating cars from Mars.
Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 23, 2020 02:40 PM (gd9RK)

I thought it was an underwater Objectivist paradise.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 02:41 PM (XyVor)

39 The '64 civil rights bill passed using JFK. Being dead helped get it done.

Posted by: roscoe at February 23, 2020 02:42 PM (WX+x0)

40 #19. If you keep your rentals under five you an discriminate on any basis you want. Especially true in fourplexes you live in.

But don't be overt because a strike suit against you can cost you lots of money defending it.
Posted by: torabora at February 23, 2020 02:38 PM (G5XIB)

You say that, and I hear that we have free speech as long as you have the correct opinion.
btw, that doesn't sound like it would stand up in court, unless you live somewhere with an ordinance that specifically says so.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 23, 2020 02:43 PM (z79tQ)

41 39 The '64 civil rights bill passed using JFK. Being dead helped get it done.
Posted by: roscoe at February 23, 2020 02:42 PM (WX+x0)

How many things can be tied to JFK? He was a technocrat, but liked lower taxes (what I consider the root of many ills.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 02:43 PM (XyVor)

42 Huh, how bout that. I can use returns with brave and not have pixy freak.

apostrophes are still not allowed.

Posted by: Dread Justice Roberts at February 23, 2020 02:44 PM (h8gt6)

43 It's pretty great that Sotomayor is doing interviews claiming that SCOTIS is now biased toward Trump.

She's not even per se disagreeing with the immigration decision.

Just trying to undermine the entire legitimacy of the high court.

Posted by: TexasDan at February 23, 2020 02:44 PM (hr5kG)

44 The Founders recognized "Natural Rights" as those endowed by the Creator.

Man created "Civil Rights" in order to claim that man can "create" rights, and, therefore, try to claim that which is reserved to God.

Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at February 23, 2020 02:45 PM (WEBkv)

45 How many things can be tied to JFK? He was a technocrat, but liked lower taxes (what I consider the root of many ills.)
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 02:43 PM (XyVor)

Allowing the Federal bureaucracy to unionize. Disastrous.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 23, 2020 02:45 PM (GRbI+)

46 Just trying to undermine the entire legitimacy of the high court.
Posted by: TexasDan at February 23, 2020 02:44 PM (hr5kG)

Which is not a bad argument.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 02:45 PM (XyVor)

47 Academic arguments that "Inequitable result" with no proof of actual intent shows iillegal discrimination has destroyed common sense. Funny how the judicial pinheads who argued that trope dont see it in the other direction, ie, the stark racial imbalance in professional sports - look at any pro NBA or NFL team and you'll find egregious examples of abhorrent racism. No?

Posted by: Mike G. at February 23, 2020 02:45 PM (DYHi4)

48 #27 Heart of Atlanta Motel civil rights case busted the log jam.

Most of employees were black but blacks couldn't rent a room. 75% of roomers were from out of state. So government stepped on owner's right of association under Commerce Clause.

I remember my parents bitching about being refused service at a Howard Johnson because they wore denim in the 1950's.

Posted by: torabora at February 23, 2020 02:48 PM (G5XIB)

49 We are no longer a nation of Americans. We're even growing out of being a nation of tribes. We're approaching a nation of individuals who have zero connections to anyone.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 23, 2020 02:51 PM (l9m7l)

50 I remember my parents bitching about being refused service at a Howard Johnson because they wore denim in the 1950's.

Posted by: torabora at February 23, 2020 02:48 PM (G5XIB)

I would go to that HoJo, but I would walk past it to the next restaurant if they refused service to Blacks.

And that is the heart of my argument. America would have made institutional racism wither. We didn't need the cudgel of Federal law.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2020 02:51 PM (dLLD6)

51 Academic arguments that "Inequitable result" with no proof of actual intent shows iillegal discrimination has destroyed common sense. Funny how the judicial pinheads who argued that trope dont see it in the other direction, ie, the stark racial imbalance in professional sports - look at any pro NBA or NFL team and you'll find egregious examples of abhorrent racism. No?
Posted by: Mike G. at February 23, 2020 02:45 PM (DYHi4)

No.

Sports, where results and only results matter, are a good example of how things work best.
You could use their duplicitious arguments against them using that logic, but all that would be accomplished is highlighting their hypocrisy.

Which they don't care about.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 23, 2020 02:51 PM (z79tQ)

52 #43 yes...I noticed that.

Remember when Trump said 'Obama judges'?

They went berserk.

Lolol.

I expect ...nae DEMAND... Sotomayor pen all dissents going forward with vitriol.

Posted by: torabora at February 23, 2020 02:51 PM (G5XIB)

53 Why it is almost like WASTF?

Five sets of laws (at least some have internal refinements/categories within):

Political Class
Diversity Class (LBGTQWERTYUIOP*+)
Illegal Class
muslim Class
Legal Citizen Class (underclass of white straight males)

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at February 23, 2020 02:52 PM (BiNEL)

54 JFK really didn't get the ball rolling long enough, not that he didn't do bad things in time allowed.

Posted by: Skip at February 23, 2020 02:52 PM (ZCEU2)

55 And that is the heart of my argument. America would have made institutional racism wither. We didn't need the cudgel of Federal law.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2020 02:51 PM (dLLD6)

We bureaucratized Right and Wrong. Does not work so well.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 02:53 PM (XyVor)

56 I remember my parents bitching about being refused service at a Howard Johnson because they wore denim in the 1950's.
Posted by: torabora at February 23, 2020 02:48 PM (G5XIB)

Must've been owned by George Will's parents.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at February 23, 2020 02:54 PM (z79tQ)

57 After I read the Sotomayor piece I went and pinched a loaf.

Don't go in there.

Posted by: torabora at February 23, 2020 02:54 PM (G5XIB)

58 >U goes at the end of the qwertyuiop*+

Posted by: klaftern at February 23, 2020 02:54 PM (RuIsu)

59 54 JFK really didn't get the ball rolling long enough, not that he didn't do bad things in time allowed.
Posted by: Skip at February 23, 2020 02:52 PM (ZCEU2)

FDR and Wilson (or the institution of the permanent income tax) really got the ball rolling.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 02:54 PM (XyVor)

60 The death of JFK generated great emotion and as democrats never waste a crisis his death was used to pass the bill. Would it have passed otherwise maybe not.

Posted by: roscoe at February 23, 2020 02:55 PM (WX+x0)

61 60 The death of JFK generated great emotion and as democrats never waste a crisis his death was used to pass the bill. Would it have passed otherwise maybe not.
Posted by: roscoe at February 23, 2020 02:55 PM (WX+x0)

Yeah the Assassination (by a pinko commie SOB) was used to make a cultural C change.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 02:56 PM (XyVor)

62 the stark racial imbalance in professional sports - look at any pro NBA or NFL team and you'll find egregious examples of abhorrent racism. No?

Posted by: Mike G. at February 23, 2020 02:45 PM
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Yeah, but NFL owners have a "plantation mentality" per Rev. Jesse Jackson.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at February 23, 2020 02:57 PM (Dhht7)

63 And that is the heart of my argument. America would have made institutional racism wither. We didn't need the cudgel of Federal law.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2020 02:51 PM (dLLD6)

We have never been a perfect Nation, but once upon a time we were actually quite reasonable and institutional racism is unsustainable in a rational modern civilization.

Now we have formalized inverse racism/discrimination and enshrined them into thousands upon thousands of laws/regulations that enhance only the State!

Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar at February 23, 2020 02:57 PM (BiNEL)

64 42 Huh, how bout that. I can use returns with brave and not have pixy freak.

apostrophes are still not allowed.
Posted by: Dread Justice Roberts at February 23, 2020 02:44 PM (h8gt6)

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Apostrophes require Platinum Level membership.

Posted by: No One of Consequence at February 23, 2020 02:57 PM (CAJOC)

65 What does Beto say about my human right to boldly and publicly state that gays are created out of daddy issues run amok, and they are CLEARLY substituting a man's anus for a vagina because they've psychologically placed women out of reach?

Am I "allowed" to say that in his world?

Posted by: RKae at February 23, 2020 02:58 PM (OtBmD)

66 I think the problem , as with all government solutions , is they don't know when to stop and always exceeds its original mandate. I blame lawyers who haven't found a law they can't reinterpret.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 23, 2020 02:58 PM (NWEal)

67 apostrophes are still not allowed.

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First they came for the apostrophes and I did nothing because I'm illiterate.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 23, 2020 02:58 PM (+y/Ru)

68 Does a Catholic church have to perform a Jewish wedding?

Posted by: RKae at February 23, 2020 02:59 PM (OtBmD)

69
I wish people would stop following Frum and posting his crap. It is not worth reading.

Posted by: runner at February 23, 2020 02:59 PM (zr5Kq)

70 What about endostrophes?

Posted by: klaftern at February 23, 2020 02:59 PM (RuIsu)

71 Civil Rights today is no more than an industry designed to transfer wealth from person "A" to person "B," at the expense of the intent of the framers.

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Because ALL conflict is about resources.

Show me a "war started by religion" and I'll show you a war over resources that historians are lying about because they are insufferable atheist bigots.

Posted by: RKae at February 23, 2020 03:01 PM (OtBmD)

72 Yeah, but NFL owners have a "plantation mentality" per Rev. Jesse Jackson.

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The Reverend Jackson has a grifter mentality.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 23, 2020 03:01 PM (+y/Ru)

73 70 What about endostrophes?
Posted by: klaftern at February 23, 2020 02:59 PM (RuIsu)

Endostrophy looks and sounds like a real word.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 03:01 PM (XyVor)

74 ...then they came for ampersands...

Posted by: runner at February 23, 2020 03:01 PM (zr5Kq)

75 And that is the heart of my argument. America would have made institutional racism wither. We didn't need the cudgel of Federal law.

Do you know any black people who agree with that?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 23, 2020 03:02 PM (gd9RK)

76 The Old Constitution was based on the INDIVIDUAL Sovereign Citizen.

The new Order is based on treating everyone as part of some group, ethnic, economic, Gender, or how you self identify.

Those two outlooks are incompatible.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 23, 2020 03:02 PM (NgKpN)

77 14 Tom Elliott@tomselliott
.@davidfrum: Trump is ""one of the fattest presidents ever, the least physically capable president since Franklin Delano Roosevelt was in a wheelchair"

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Yeah, boy, that Trump is a lazy SOB who never does anything.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 23, 2020 02:29 PM (+y/Ru)

He's big-boned.

Posted by: m at February 23, 2020 03:02 PM (Y3R0d)

78 David Frum (this morning): Fatty Fatty two-by-four, POTUS can't get through the kitchen door!

Posted by: socalcon at February 23, 2020 03:03 PM (Roy2Z)

79 Katzenbach v. McClung was a bigger stretch than Heart of Atlanta. Ollie McClung ran Ollie's Barbecue, which the federal courts held was engaged in interstate commerce and therefore subject to the CRA because some of its supplies originated out of state. Sure, those purchases may have implicated interstate commerce, but sales at his lunch counter were completely within Alabama. Hard cases make bad law, as they say.

The logic of Jim Crow laws is interesting. If all whites were discriminating on the basis of race, no Jim Crow laws would have been necessary. They just would have gone on discriminating. Instead, logic would dictate that Jim Crow laws had to be passed because there were whites who didn't discriminate sufficiently and this lack of discrimination was a threat to the white power structure. That would indicate that the white power structure knew that discrimination was an untenable position.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at February 23, 2020 03:03 PM (jK8Z7)

80 Am I "allowed" to say that in his world?

Posted by: RKae at February 23, 2020 02:58
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You can say it. But it'll get you 5-10. H8tr. /

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at February 23, 2020 03:03 PM (Dhht7)

81 Show me a "war started by religion" and I'll show you a war over resources that historians are lying about because they are insufferable atheist bigots.
Posted by: RKae at February 23, 2020 03:01 PM (OtBmD)

Ok, Crusades?

Control of the trade routes from the Orient?

Control of access to Holy sites (which one could look at as a resource.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 03:03 PM (XyVor)

82 Yeah, but NFL owners have a "plantation mentality" per Rev. Jesse Jackson.

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That explains why all the players can be heard in the locker room singing spirituals, the blues, and praying loudly, "Oh, Lord, whens we gunna be free?"

It also explains all those white players in the game. And Samoans.

Posted by: RKae at February 23, 2020 03:03 PM (OtBmD)

83 No, there's only one constitution, and one set of animating concepts and values shaping it (even as it evolved and was amended).

The racism, tribalism, rent-seeking, and authoritarian/totalitarian obsessions now grouped together as "civil rights" or "human rights" issues are simply directly contrary to the most fundamental concept of the USA: the individual is the unit of account, the individual has the rights, the government has limited authority.

There are no tribes, races, colors, genders, or preferences for paper or plastic involved.

Chicken and egg, as far as how the country devolved to this sad state. But the combo of - 1) lack of historically American values (see above) actually held by so many current "Americans", 2) lack of critical thinking capacity 3) lack of knowledge or understanding of our history 4) the institutionalization of shake-down/theft, hate, bigotry, and the normalization of authoritarianism - seem to present pretty daunting challenges.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 23, 2020 03:03 PM (El6T/)

84 70 What about endostrophes?
Posted by: klaftern at February 23, 2020 02:59 PM (RuIsu)

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Exploratory procedures are covered by the Ace of Spades health plan, available only to Cobs.

Everyone else must pay out the wazoo...

Posted by: No One of Consequence at February 23, 2020 03:04 PM (CAJOC)

85 78
I thought body-shaming was bad.

Posted by: socalcon at February 23, 2020 03:04 PM (Roy2Z)

86 davidfrum: Trump is ""one of the fattest presidents ever, the least physically capable president since Franklin Delano Roosevelt was in a wheelchair"

What insane jibberish is this?

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 23, 2020 03:05 PM (NWEal)

87 78 David Frum (this morning): Fatty Fatty two-by-four, POTUS can't get through the kitchen door!
Posted by: socalcon at February 23, 2020 03:03 PM (Roy2Z)

*with apologies to... the Andrews sisters?*

Mr Five by Five,
he's five feet tall,
and he's five feet wide.
He don't measure no more,
from head to toe,
than he do,
from side to side.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 03:05 PM (XyVor)

88 75 And that is the heart of my argument. America would have made institutional racism wither. We didn't need the cudgel of Federal law.

Do you know any black people who agree with that?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 23, 2020 03:02 PM (gd9RK)

What really killed equal rights, was the Supreme Court saying it was legal to discriminate against individual Citizens, based on perceived GROUP identity, to supposedly make up for past wrongs.

Affirmative Action institutionalized legal Racism far more than Jim Crow ever did IMO.

Why? Because we can't seem to ever get stupid Supreme Court decisions overturned.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 23, 2020 03:05 PM (NgKpN)

89 The Reverend Jackson has a grifter mentality.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at February 23, 2020 03:01
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Tell me about it. Had to pay off his Rainbow Coalition some 25k to get them off my back.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at February 23, 2020 03:05 PM (Dhht7)

90 He's absolutely right about their being 2 constitution; and also he could go farther and talk about the written law, and the hidden law, and how the hidden law is far more powerful today.

This is why people get so mad at lawyers, because lawyers are the agents of a system that runs on the hidden law, not the written law. It's their job to know it and navigate it, for a fee.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 23, 2020 03:06 PM (q3gwH)

91 Show me a "war started by religion" and I'll show you a war over resources that historians are lying about because they are insufferable atheist bigots.
Posted by: RKae at February 23, 2020 03:01 PM (OtBmD)

Ok, Crusades?

Control of the trade routes from the Orient?

Control of access to Holy sites (which one could look at as a resource.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD

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Try this:

There's World Power A (an older, established power) and World Power Z (the fresh, new upstart).

Everywhere they meet there are skirmishes on every border. A tense situation hangs over them.

World Power Z is taking ground bit by bit, region by region.

Eventually, World Power Z takes a small patch of land that causes World Power A to snap, "THAT DOES IT!"

World Power A shoves troops into that tiny spot "whereon the numbers cannot try the cause; which is not tomb enough and continent to hide the slain."

World Power Z send troops in.

A stalemate ensues. Villages are burned. Innocents are slaughtered.

The Question:

...Did I just describe the Crusades or the Vietnam War?

Posted by: RKae at February 23, 2020 03:08 PM (OtBmD)

92 Many white people marched with MLK Jr.

Over time, institutional racism is economically unsustainable.

Posted by: deplorable unperson -To Mars! at February 23, 2020 03:08 PM (CTN7u)

93 Frum obviously doesn't remember Bam working out or shooting hoops - that was physical inability.

Posted by: rammajamma at February 23, 2020 03:08 PM (xceTB)

94 Allowing the Federal bureaucracy to unionize. Disastrous.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 23, 2020 02:45 PM (GRbI+)

Sure, unionize. But you don't have to join and political contributions are illegal. Also, every 3 years the union has to go through a recertification by secret ballot. Fail, no union.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at February 23, 2020 03:09 PM (e1mEI)

95 Caesar, excellent point about Jim Crowe.

And when you have "affirmative action" - just about the platonic ideal of a violation of everything the constitution was supposed to establish and protect - tolerated for a nano-second (much less blessed by such idiotic nonsense as O'Connor's infamous deranged opinion) - then the whole system really has surrendered its legitimacy.

And though judicial lawlessness and constitutional derailment are responsible for most of today's dysfunction, it was/is the most pathetic failings (race "guilt", victimhood mentality) that have allowed evisceration of our values like affirmative action.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 23, 2020 03:09 PM (El6T/)

96 Do you know any black people who agree with that?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 23, 2020 03:02 PM (gd9RK)

That isn't an argument against my point.

[Clarence Thomas]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2020 03:09 PM (dLLD6)

97 Did I just describe the Crusades or the Vietnam War?

Posted by: RKae at February 23, 2020 03:08 PM (OtBmD)

Bravo.

I am not arguing against the idea, but you will notice the above scenario is not about resources (except tangentially.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 03:09 PM (XyVor)

98 Frum obviously doesn't remember Bam working out or shooting hoops - that was physical inability.
Posted by: rammajamma

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Or just image search for "Obama bike" for a laugh.

What a fairy.

Posted by: RKae at February 23, 2020 03:10 PM (OtBmD)

99 "Civil Rights" are a projection of power by the judiciary. Every home and business becomes a Federal property where behavior is dictated by the ruling class. They love it.

Posted by: deplorable unperson -To Mars! at February 23, 2020 03:10 PM (CTN7u)

100 Did I just describe the Crusades or the Vietnam War?

Posted by: RKae at February 23, 2020 03:08 PM (OtBmD)

Bravo.

I am not arguing against the idea, but you will notice the above scenario is not about resources (except tangentially.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD

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Yes it is.

It's about land being taken bit by bit, region by region.

Just because it explodes in one tiny spot doesn't mean that tiny spot is what's really being fought over. It's just the MacGuffin.

Posted by: RKae at February 23, 2020 03:12 PM (OtBmD)

101 Clinton used to humble brag about his golfing and golf scores. Then they had a pro-am at one of the PGA tournaments with Bush Sr, Ford and Clinton in a group. Both Bush and Ford kicked Clinton's butt and he was left making excuses. Glorious.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 23, 2020 03:12 PM (NWEal)

102 [The Ban HammerTM was just overhauled, so please be aware!]

*spock eyebrow*

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 23, 2020 03:12 PM (yQpMk)

103 "Civil rights" is the nonsensical idea that "everybody must agree with me."

If you can do your dumb little hobby somewhere, then you're not being oppressed. People are allowed to call your hobby dangerous, sinful or flat-out stupid. If you can do it, then STFU.

Posted by: RKae at February 23, 2020 03:14 PM (OtBmD)

104 It's just the MacGuffin.
Posted by: RKae at February 23, 2020 03:12 PM (OtBmD)

Hey, I learned to read with those things.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at February 23, 2020 03:14 PM (e1mEI)

105 I've never understood people who don't go to a church, but then want to rent one for their wedding.

Major hypocrisy.

It's particularly absurd for gays.

Posted by: RKae at February 23, 2020 03:15 PM (OtBmD)

106 past 100 -

Costa Mesa CA went to court to bar the Coronaviroids from being "settled" there, and won an injunction from the district court.

Are these the people that Trump was pissed came back to the US after DHS told him they were going to be quarantined offshore?

Posted by: kallisto at February 23, 2020 03:15 PM (kD8Fh)

107 CBD, you have the sear on the banhammer filed down to the point where it's threatening to go full auto. We are not the enemy.

Posted by: creeper at February 23, 2020 03:15 PM (XxJt1)

108 The MacGuffin with cheese is a good breakfast sandwich.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 23, 2020 03:15 PM (yQpMk)

109 Posted by: RKae at February 23, 2020 03:15 PM (OtBmD)

church weddings are a rapidly fading quaint custom in my neck of the woods. The millennials are all about the barn weddings.

Posted by: kallisto at February 23, 2020 03:16 PM (kD8Fh)

110 Just because it explodes in one tiny spot doesn't mean that tiny spot is what's really being fought over. It's just the MacGuffin.
Posted by: RKae at February 23, 2020 03:12 PM (OtBmD)

I'd argue against that, at least in as regards the Crusades. Jerusalem is far more symbolically meaningful than anything in Vietnam was to the US. That is laying aside the harassment of pilgrims, trade routes, etc.

Any war, no matter which one we are talking about, has a lot of stuff as far as the reasons, be it historical, cultural, resources. The Leftist dream (or rather their degenerate argument) is that they are for this one thing or that. Religion. Oil.

I like and endorse your point. I just like to argue.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 03:16 PM (XyVor)

111 The English civil war was nominally about religion, but it was really about how the nation had developed two distinct factions which opposed each other in religion, in class, in style of governance desired. Resources was the least of what they fought over, intense personal hatred th as t the sides had for each other was the cause. And they called it religion.

It was a time much like today.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 23, 2020 03:16 PM (q3gwH)

112 church weddings are a rapidly fading quaint custom in my neck of the woods. The millennials are all about the barn weddings.
Posted by: kallisto

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Foreshadowing their impending legalization of bestiality?

Posted by: RKae at February 23, 2020 03:17 PM (OtBmD)

113 The MacGuffin with cheese is a good breakfast sandwich.
Posted by: Grump928(C)

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I liked Merv MacGuffin at Arthur Treacher's.

Posted by: Tonypete at February 23, 2020 03:17 PM (Y4EXg)

114 81
Show me a "war started by religion" and I'll show you a war over
resources that historians are lying about because they are insufferable
atheist bigots.

Posted by: RKae at February 23, 2020 03:01 PM (OtBmD)

Ok, Crusades?

Control of the trade routes from the Orient?

Control of access to Holy sites (which one could look at as a resource.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 03:03 PM (XyVor)

They also used the "crusades" to attack Constantinople which was a Christian nation. But it was rich in "booty".

Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2020 03:17 PM (mpXpK)

115 102 [The Ban HammerTM was just overhauled, so please be aware!]

*spock eyebrow*
Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 23, 2020 03:12 PM (yQpMk)

I think we should bring back the old usage. Example: The Ban Hammer was just overhauled. BEWARE!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 03:17 PM (XyVor)

116 Well I sure hope they keep the magic virus out of Costa Mesa. Some good ramen places there, might be hitting one of them soon.

Never did follow it afterwards, but there was a disgusting and chilling story out of there back in the dark days of the affirmative action intern "president".

City council member was being harassed, seriously, by police - he was pushing some sanity on police pensions/pay etc.

A very nice, Third World, Weimar Germany kind of feel to it.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 23, 2020 03:17 PM (El6T/)

117 I don't know if I should feel happy about Bernie's win or disgusted (and afraid) that so many Americans are willing to drink the socialist koolaide.

I am not as sure as many that Bernie will lose in November, if he's the nominee, just because I remember people making the same confident predictions about Trump.

Posted by: Donna&&&&&&&&V at February 23, 2020 03:18 PM (d6Ksn)

118 https://moonbattery.com/graffiti-vandals-awarded-6-7-million/

Where else but in a Socalist nirvana can graffiti become art to be protected and on property not owned by the " artist"?

Posted by: Skip at February 23, 2020 03:18 PM (ZCEU2)

119 I don't know if I should feel happy about Bernie's win or disgusted (and afraid) that so many Americans are willing to drink the socialist koolaide.

I am not as sure as many that Bernie will lose in November, if he's the nominee, just because I remember people making the same confident predictions about Trump.
Posted by: Donna&&&&&&&&V

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Ditto.

And ditto.

Posted by: RKae at February 23, 2020 03:19 PM (OtBmD)

120 They also used the "crusades" to attack Constantinople which was a Christian nation. But it was rich in "booty".
Posted by: Vic at February 23, 2020 03:17 PM (mpXpK)

Also fat and lazy and was not hospitable to the Crusaders it was using for it's own ends.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 03:19 PM (XyVor)

121 112 church weddings are a rapidly fading quaint custom in my neck of the woods. The millennials are all about the barn weddings.
Posted by: kallisto

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Or "destination" weddings where they, and the wedding party, has to shell out monster bucks just to get there and do it all over again in seven years.

Posted by: Tonypete at February 23, 2020 03:19 PM (Y4EXg)

122 Many white people marched with MLK Jr.

Over time, institutional racism is economically unsustainable.

Posted by: deplorable unperson -To Mars! at February 23, 2020 03:08 PM (CTN7u)

Tracy Turnblat was instrumental in Baltimore's civiil rights battle.

Posted by: LASue at February 23, 2020 03:20 PM (Ed8Zd)

123 Foreshadowing their impending legalization of bestiality?

Posted by: RKae at February 23, 2020 03:17 PM (OtBmD)

I hope not!

It's rustic, and trendy.

Posted by: kallisto at February 23, 2020 03:20 PM (kD8Fh)

124 107 CBD, you have the sear on the banhammer filed down to the point where it's threatening to go full auto. We are not the enemy.
Posted by: creeper at February 23, 2020 03:15 PM (XxJt1

(H. Simpson refers to electric hammer patent, calls attorney)

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at February 23, 2020 03:20 PM (e1mEI)

125 I think the war on terror is a one sided religious war.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 23, 2020 03:21 PM (NWEal)

126 Why did Constantinople get the works?

Nobody's business but the Turks.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 23, 2020 03:21 PM (dNzKv)

127 Aetius, at least there was a "please" appended.

We're Morons. We forget sometimes. It's nicer to be reminded with a smile than a cudgel.

Posted by: creeper at February 23, 2020 03:21 PM (XxJt1)

128 [Clarence Thomas]

The web is a crude research tool, but all I found was Thomas saying that affirmative action isn't enabled by the CRA 1964 because it isn't mentioned in the Act. He did not attack the validity of the Act itself.

I'm going to wander out toward life so I won't be able to stick around for much debate.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 23, 2020 03:21 PM (gd9RK)

129 Or "destination" weddings where they, and the wedding party, has to shell out monster bucks just to get there and do it all over again in seven years.
Posted by: Tonypete

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If someone dragged be out to a wedding where I actually have to take the weekend off and rent a hotel room...

...I should be able to sue them when they get divorced.

Thankfully, my wife is a great singer, so people always want her to sing at weddings, so our hotel room is free.

Posted by: RKae at February 23, 2020 03:21 PM (OtBmD)

130 For many reasons not providing general reassurance about America, I doubt Bernie would have much chance electorally in the fall.

And on a related topic, jeebus the idiotic "Bernie is transforming the Dem Party like Trump did with the GOP" crap from the Beltway lightweights is already beginning.

Bernie isn't transforming anything. And Trump hasn't transformed the GOP, barely at all. But such grandiose b.s. represents about the zenith of intellectual effort by 99% of the punditry.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 23, 2020 03:22 PM (El6T/)

131 Or "destination" weddings where they, and the wedding party, has to shell out monster bucks just to get there and do it all over again in seven years.

Posted by: Tonypete at February 23, 2020 03:19 PM (Y4EXg)

My cousin and his wife wanted to get married in Jamaica or somewhere and my uncle said, "fine. don't expect your mom or me to be there."

So they got married close by. Hardly anyone in my family would have gone to their destination wedding, we're not made of money.

Posted by: kallisto at February 23, 2020 03:22 PM (kD8Fh)

132 127 Aetius, at least there was a "please" appended.

We're Morons. We forget sometimes. It's nicer to be reminded with a smile than a cudgel.
Posted by: creeper at February 23, 2020 03:21 PM (XxJt1)

I just think signs with BEWARE! on them would be more effective.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 03:22 PM (XyVor)

133 You're kidding?! The banhammer is electric? Sort of like a cattle prod, huh?

Posted by: creeper at February 23, 2020 03:23 PM (XxJt1)

134 133 You're kidding?! The banhammer is electric? Sort of like a cattle prod, huh?
Posted by: creeper at February 23, 2020 03:23 PM (XxJt1)

Tiny turbines turned by Hamsters.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 03:23 PM (XyVor)

135 Speaking of Meathead, there was one episode where he was passed over for promotion at the skool he taught at for a black guy.

He whined to his boss and asked him how long will we have to have affirmative action and his boss said about 40 years or so to balance things out.

That episode was around 1975 so I guess times up!

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at February 23, 2020 03:23 PM (Z+IKu)

136 We are not the enemy.

Posted by: creeper at February 23, 2020 03:15 PM (XxJt1)

Do you know how much time I have spent in the last two weeks cleaning up shit from trolls and other idiots?

No, you aren't the enemy, but there are people around here who love to test the theory that they are Ace's secret racist friends.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2020 03:24 PM (dLLD6)

137 Barry had a handicapped permit for hoops.

Posted by: klaftern at February 23, 2020 03:24 PM (RuIsu)

138 Bernie will be rebranded as a compassionate democratic socialist who did more to fight communism and bring about the downfall of the Soviet Union than Reagan.

Bernie was CIA, his travels there were sooper secret classified missions.

Posted by: Cat Ass Trophy at February 23, 2020 03:24 PM (dNzKv)

139 No, you aren't the enemy, but there are people around here who love to test the theory that they are Ace's secret racist friends.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2020 03:24 PM (dLLD6)

What about people like you and me? You know, virulent anti-Semites?

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at February 23, 2020 03:25 PM (NWiLs)

140 Afternoon

I got nothing but I hate the left

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 23, 2020 03:26 PM (85Gof)

141 Arab-Israel Lovefests of '67 and '73. Wars fought over religion?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 23, 2020 03:26 PM (gd9RK)

142 You know, virulent anti-Semites?

Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at February 23, 2020 03:25 PM (NWiLs)

That's me! And I keep warning you people, but no...you don't listen.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo...Anti-Semite at February 23, 2020 03:27 PM (dLLD6)

143 Post-modern definition of civil rights: I, me, mine.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at February 23, 2020 03:27 PM (EgshT)

144 Arab-Israel Lovefests of '67 and '73. Wars fought over religion?
Posted by: Bandersnatch

I believe the Lutheran - Methodist casserole wars still rage.

Posted by: Tonypete at February 23, 2020 03:28 PM (Y4EXg)

145 Arab-Israel Lovefests of '67 and '73. Wars fought over religion?

Posted by: Bandersnatch

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Everything about Israel / Arabs / Persians is about land.

Posted by: RKae at February 23, 2020 03:28 PM (OtBmD)

146 This history channel is very amusing. Here is their 6 part history of the first crusade

http://bit.ly/2wBmf9q

Posted by: Grump928(C) at February 23, 2020 03:28 PM (yQpMk)

147 I just think signs with BEWARE! on them would be more effective.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 03:22 PM (XyVor)

https://stoatnet.org/danger.jpg

Posted by: hogmartin at February 23, 2020 03:28 PM (t+qrx)

148 Dems Still Dont Have Final Results In Nevada, Pete Buttigieg Alleging Irregularities

Lol. Hey buttplug your behind by 30 points

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 23, 2020 03:28 PM (85Gof)

149 What about the "secret nazis" the ones the media wants you to see but aren't there?

Posted by: Skip at February 23, 2020 03:29 PM (ZCEU2)

150 I believe the Lutheran - Methodist casserole wars still rage.
Posted by: Tonypete

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Casseroles are... say it with me: Resources.

Posted by: RKae at February 23, 2020 03:29 PM (OtBmD)

151
What'd I miss?

Have we gotten an influx of Racist Mobys?

I'm just about Tha-a-a-a-a-a-at far from saying that 97.9% of racism on the internet comes from leftists trying to run false flag smears.

Posted by: naturalfake at February 23, 2020 03:29 PM (9wmyx)

152 Arab-Israel Lovefests of '67 and '73. Wars fought over religion?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 23, 2020 03:26 PM (gd9RK)

Falafel.

Posted by: runner at February 23, 2020 03:30 PM (zr5Kq)

153 Have we gotten an influx of Racist Mobys?
Posted by: naturalfake at February 23, 2020 03:29 PM (9wmyx)

On some threads, yes. I'm sure there are a lot more that I'm not seeing because they're cleaned up before I can see them.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 23, 2020 03:31 PM (t+qrx)

154 Everything about Israel / Arabs / Persians is about land.

Posted by: RKae at February 23, 2020 03:28 PM (OtBmD)

So when Gaza was given to the Arabs they stopped launching rockets at Israel?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2020 03:31 PM (dLLD6)

155 >>> 139 No, you aren't the enemy, but there are people around here who love to test the theory that they are Ace's secret racist friends.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2020 03:24 PM (dLLD6)

What about people like you and me? You know, virulent anti-Semites?
Posted by: Insomniac - Ex Cineribus Resurgo at February 23, 2020 03:25 PM (NWiLs)

You two!!

Posted by: Veronica Sawyer's mother at February 23, 2020 03:31 PM (0ReGO)

156 Everything about Israel / Arabs / Persians is about land.

Posted by: RKae at February 23, 2020 03:28 PM (OtBmD)

for arabs/persians maybe. for Israel - existential

Posted by: runner at February 23, 2020 03:31 PM (zr5Kq)

157 Falafel.

Hmm. If you'd said shawarma that would be worth fighting for.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 23, 2020 03:31 PM (gd9RK)

158 What's this shit about banning people?

Posted by: ... at February 23, 2020 03:32 PM (uEbPt)

159 So when Gaza was given to the Arabs they stopped launching rockets at Israel?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2020 03:31 PM (dLLD6)

21 rockets so far today

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 23, 2020 03:32 PM (85Gof)

160 Have we gotten an influx of Racist Mobys?
Posted by: naturalfake at February 23, 2020 03:29 PM (9wmyx)

On some threads, yes. I'm sure there are a lot more that I'm not seeing because they're cleaned up before I can see them.
Posted by: hogmartin at February 23, 2020 03:31 PM (t+qrx)

oh, yes. we had an overflow of manure on some threads.

Posted by: runner at February 23, 2020 03:32 PM (zr5Kq)

161 Everything about Israel / Arabs / Persians is about land.

Posted by: RKae at February 23, 2020 03:28 PM (OtBmD)

So when Gaza was given to the Arabs they stopped launching rockets at Israel?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

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They want ALL of Israel.

Posted by: RKae at February 23, 2020 03:32 PM (OtBmD)

162 Oh because of the subject matter. Fine.

Posted by: ... at February 23, 2020 03:32 PM (uEbPt)

163 CBD, we know how much you do. The evidence is right in front of us every day. The HQ would look like Swiss cheese if you weren't here. But going straight to "Get out" just seems a little harsh.

Many times I've seen a Moron post a reminder of the hundred comment rule. We have your back, my friend. Rest easy.

Posted by: creeper at February 23, 2020 03:32 PM (XxJt1)

164 Everything about Israel / Arabs / Persians is about land.

Posted by: RKae at February 23, 2020 03:28 PM (OtBmD)

So when Gaza was given to the Arabs they stopped launching rockets at Israel?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2020 03:31 PM (dLLD6)

Israel hadn't relinquished enough land yet. So, rockets continue until Israel has given up just enough land. Which is all of it.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 23, 2020 03:33 PM (t+qrx)

165 Falafel.

Posted by: runner at February 23, 2020 03:30 PM (zr5Kq)

There is a Falafel place on McDougal Street in the West Village that has been around forever. Hole-in-the-wall (probably 200 square feet), with great and cheap falafel. Open 'til 4:00am so the drunks can eat something before they go back to their dorms.

And they just opened a branch in Paramus NJ!

What is the world coming to?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2020 03:34 PM (dLLD6)

166 Legally, the constitutional problem began with the sloppy wording of the 14th amendment, which essentially is the amendment that rewrote the entire constitution in it image. There's an enabling element at the end of the civil rights clauses that says "Congress may pass any laws which are necessary to enact this" which right there wiped out all of the existing restrictions on federal power. That's why the CRA of 1965 is constitutional.
The 14th is where all the trouble with citizenship come ssf from as well.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 23, 2020 03:35 PM (q3gwH)

167 Bernie isn't transforming anything. And Trump hasn't transformed the GOP, barely at all. But such grandiose b.s. represents about the zenith of intellectual effort by 99% of the punditry.
Posted by: rhomboid at February 23, 2020 03:22 PM (El6T/)

It's scripted bs to minimize Trump's accomplishments. What he did in 2016 was nothing short of miraculous.

Posted by: ... at February 23, 2020 03:35 PM (uEbPt)

168 141 Arab-Israel Lovefests of '67 and '73. Wars fought over religion?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 23, 2020 03:26 PM

Why does religion keep getting dragged into these property disputes? Because they are used as a motivator, like cheerleaders initiating a crowd frenzy.
Sorta kinda.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at February 23, 2020 03:35 PM (e1mEI)

169 I've had this argument with people before.

Virtue by force of law is not virtue at all.

No one can even have this discussion these days, other than anonymously, because to suggest that one may be permitted to hold exclusionary ideals is considered tantamount to holding those views yourself.

And there is no worse label to have in today's society that "-ist"

You can parade in the streets of San Francisco with crucifix-shaped dildos and be thought less of a heretic.

When the man above returns, he will not be pleased.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at February 23, 2020 03:35 PM (tfrVs)

170 I can't see the MSM/Dems/Deep StateBig Tech fraud and propaganda machines going into overdrive for Bernie like it did for Hillary. He, or rather his movement, really scares a lot of people that just like to play socialism. I lot of libs are going to have to feign support public ally while staying neutral in privately or (gasp!) even voting for Trump,

Posted by: Ripley at February 23, 2020 03:35 PM (MxEKc)

171 And they just opened a branch in Paramus NJ!

What is the world coming to?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2020 03:34 PM (dLLD6)

Yeah but on the wrong side of the highway

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 23, 2020 03:35 PM (85Gof)

172 Israel hadn't relinquished enough land yet. So, rockets continue until Israel has given up just enough land. Which is all of it.

I believe the "land" of Israel is not markedly different from the "land" of Lebanon. Coastal, arid, butt buddies.

Second look at religion?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 23, 2020 03:35 PM (gd9RK)

173 Have we gotten an influx of Racist Mobys?
Posted by: naturalfake at February 23, 2020 03:29 PM (9wmyx)

On some threads, yes. I'm sure there are a lot more that I'm not seeing because they're cleaned up before I can see them.
Posted by: hogmartin at February 23, 2020 03:31 PM (t+qrx)

The daywalker threads have gotten a few in the past couple of weeks, and they change hashes, so it's been hard for Ace and the Cobs to find them and squash them. So, not sure how many there actually are, but they have become pretty fvcking vile. They've even socked a few regulars, which is even worse.

Posted by: Pug Mahon, of the Butte Mahons at February 23, 2020 03:35 PM (x8Wzq)

174 Lurkers rarely break the 100 comment rule. True story.

Posted by: Northernlurker, still lurking after all these years at February 23, 2020 03:36 PM (eAMlh)

175 Need falafel recipe.

Posted by: creeper at February 23, 2020 03:36 PM (XxJt1)

176 Harry Browne of the Libertarian Party proposed the repeal of the 1964 CRA decades ago, and was thought to be a lunatic. Turns out he was just ahead of his time.

Posted by: Jeffersonian at February 23, 2020 03:36 PM (xiOrX)

177
And they just opened a branch in Paramus NJ!

What is the world coming to?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2020 03:34 PM (dLLD6)

Have they a dedicated bridge between them just like the Palis do between the West Bank and the Gaza Rubble Pile?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars (TM) at February 23, 2020 03:36 PM (pNxlR)

178
Dems Still Dont Have Final Results In Nevada, Pete Buttigieg Alleging Irregularities

He is quite familiar with irregularities.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 23, 2020 03:36 PM (aKsyK)

179 But going straight to "Get out" just seems a little harsh.

Posted by: creeper at February 23, 2020 03:32 PM (XxJt1)

Possibly.

But I have been burned on too many occasions to be complacent.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2020 03:36 PM (dLLD6)

180 What about endostrophes?
Posted by: klaftern at February 23, 2020 02:59 PM (RuIsu)

Funny thing. I looked it up to see if that was an actual word and your post came in at number 6 in the Google search.

Posted by: Traveling Man&&&& at February 23, 2020 03:37 PM (J9I4C)

181 Thanks to Trump, Gaza has lost and Israel has finally won. There's about 50 years of slow mopping up action to go, but the issue is decided. Gaza is now much like Snake Pliskins New York. Nasty and dangerous, but totally confined and impoverished.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 23, 2020 03:38 PM (q3gwH)

182 Trump is going to grind his opponent into a very fine dust. Have faith.

I forget which fallacy it is, but it is a fallacy to say "well it wasn't true when they assumed Trump was gonna lose, so I'm not confident that X will lose because they're assuming that about X too".

In fact it would likely be more logical to believe that if Trump was underestimated in 2016, he's probably going to be underestimated again.

Posted by: ... at February 23, 2020 03:40 PM (uEbPt)

183 Shit about banning?

Well you can't see them now because CBD cleaned them up but mostly the ONTs lately have been filled with hate comments often to a standing commentator if not a attack at them.

Posted by: Skip at February 23, 2020 03:41 PM (ZCEU2)

184
You people laff, but I hear falafel is serious business in the ME. And if you think (cold) wars did not start over who makes best falafel, and where it originated, think again...

Posted by: runner at February 23, 2020 03:41 PM (zr5Kq)

185 Endorphins $9.99.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at February 23, 2020 03:41 PM (Lolzb)

186 I believe the "land" of Israel is not markedly different from the "land" of Lebanon. Coastal, arid, butt buddies.

Second look at religion?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 23, 2020 03:35 PM (gd9RK)

I don't think so. They wouldn't care if it were Jews or Christians or Marduk followers or martians. It's land, and it's right over there, and it's under someone else's feet. Maybe being a Jewish homeland makes it easier to get fired up about.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 23, 2020 03:41 PM (t+qrx)

187 He is quite familiar with irregularities.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 23, 2020 03:36 PM (aKsyK

Heh.

Posted by: Golfman at February 23, 2020 03:41 PM (M3a0a)

188 182 Trump is going to grind his opponent into a very fine dust. Have faith.

I forget which fallacy it is, but it is a fallacy to say "well it wasn't true when they assumed Trump was gonna lose, so I'm not confident that X will lose because they're assuming that about X too".

In fact it would likely be more logical to believe that if Trump was underestimated in 2016, he's probably going to be underestimated again.
Posted by: ... at February 23, 2020 03:40 PM (uEbPt)

If the "they" is the same, and the topic they're declaring on is the same, I think that wouldn't be a fallacy.

Posted by: m at February 23, 2020 03:41 PM (Y3R0d)

189 Or "destination" weddings where they, and the wedding party, has to shell out monster bucks just to get there and do it all over again in seven years.

Posted by: Tonypete at February

Destination weddings are for the bint for whom having an entire day and 10s or 100s of thousands of dollars spent upon her and a white dress to celebrate her are not enough.

Weddings are a bin enough inconvenience these days those having destination weddings should be shunned.

Posted by: not so at February 23, 2020 03:42 PM (HALdu)

190 They just had the Miracle on Ice team at the NASCAR race in Las Vegas. They all tried to say "Gentlemen, Start your Engines" at the same time but didn't quite do it. It was mangled a bit. Show business is hard, guys.

Posted by: Puddleglum at February 23, 2020 03:42 PM (g6OQO)

191 And there is no worse label to have in today's society that "-ist"
- - - - - - - - - -

Aye. Except all the Lefty-approved ones like femin-ist... social-ist.... jihad-ist....

Posted by: ... at February 23, 2020 03:43 PM (uEbPt)

192 Well you can't see them now because CBD cleaned them up but mostly the ONTs lately have been filled with hate comments often to a standing commentator if not a attack at them.
Posted by: Skip at February

when were there hate comments at an ont here?

Posted by: not so at February 23, 2020 03:43 PM (HALdu)

193 Yes, I suspect that lefties are spamming the HQ with overtly racist comments because the Google/Big Tech monopoly will soon begin conspiring with domain hosts to deplatform blogs.

I understand why it's taken very seriously.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger at February 23, 2020 03:43 PM (tfrVs)

194
Weddings are a bin enough inconvenience these days those having destination weddings should be shunned.
Posted by: not so

Why can't they just get married by Sheriff Andy Taylor?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at February 23, 2020 03:44 PM (aKsyK)

195 100 lost souls click here and get lost.

Trafficking ghosts for The Ace.

Intern # 7

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at February 23, 2020 03:44 PM (Lolzb)

196 when were there hate comments at an ont here?

there is a troll that keeps targeting a regular

Posted by: runner at February 23, 2020 03:44 PM (zr5Kq)

197 Skip @ 183

Now there's a legitimate reason for banning. I hope no warning was given and that the last sound they heard was the "swish" of the banhammer.

Posted by: creeper at February 23, 2020 03:44 PM (XxJt1)

198 I believe the "land" of Israel is not markedly different from the "land" of Lebanon. Coastal, arid, butt buddies.

Second look at religion?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 23, 2020 03:35 PM (gd9RK)

Or to put it another way, say they drive the last Jew into the sea. Do they become peaceful farmers, or do they start eyeing each other's plots and sizing up their neighbors at the victory party?

Posted by: hogmartin at February 23, 2020 03:45 PM (t+qrx)

199 the Google/Big Tech monopoly will soon begin conspiring with domain hosts to deplatform blogs.

We just saw someone say that a comment from this very thread is already highly ranked on google. The future is happening very fast.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 23, 2020 03:45 PM (gd9RK)

200 there is a troll that keeps targeting a regular
Posted by: runner at February

who when?

Posted by: not so at February 23, 2020 03:45 PM (HALdu)

201 192 Well you can't see them now because CBD cleaned them up but mostly the ONTs lately have been filled with hate comments often to a standing commentator if not a attack at them.
Posted by: Skip at February

when were there hate comments at an ont here?

Posted by: not so at February 23, 2020 03:43 PM (HALdu)

Some dipshit has been showing up typically on the Saturday ONT threads bitching about MisHum's ONTs.

Posted by: buzzion at February 23, 2020 03:45 PM (Z7lwY)

202 Two teachers were separated from a local Catholic high school last week when they married same sex partners.

As expected, the SJWs and the progressives and everyone who hate the Church is on board with the hate. Catholics are quite clear about Church teaching on this matter. Teachers sign a contract. Nevertheless, they are the victims when said contract is broken. The kids are used as pawns, marching out of classrooms, decrying "love is love!"

Such utter bullshit.

Luckily, the Archdiocese is, so far, standing firm.

Why is everyone else allowed to have their belief system, but Catholics are not. I think these guys did this on purpose, to seed discord, to cause problems.... to try to bully the Church.

Makes me so very angry.

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 23, 2020 03:45 PM (PkVlr)

203 Well you can't see them now because CBD cleaned them up but mostly the ONTs lately have been filled with hate comments often to a standing commentator if not a attack at them.
Posted by: Skip at February 23, 2020 03:41 PM (ZCEU2)

Miklos seems to be a popular target.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 03:46 PM (XyVor)

204 Wayne Newton's face looks like skeletor.

Posted by: Archer at February 23, 2020 03:46 PM (w6f/8)

205 If the "they" is the same, and the topic they're declaring on is the same, I think that wouldn't be a fallacy.
Posted by: m at February 23, 2020 03:41 PM (Y3R0d)

Maybe. Maybe not. Either way I don't believe it's a good reason to worry about the outcome of 2020.

Posted by: ... at February 23, 2020 03:46 PM (uEbPt)

206 If you wonder what we can do to change things, we need to rewrite and revise the 14th amendment, both in its civil rights provisions and its citizenship provisions.

The 14th required a civil war for it to be enacted in the first place (one of the three Reconstruction Amendments which rewrote the existing constitution) , and it will most likely require another civil war to rewrite it.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 23, 2020 03:46 PM (q3gwH)

207 Back to CBD's question - "Would America have moved past race as a primary indicator of social standing (and so much more) without federal civil rights legislation?". I don't believe so. A gut feeling.

Posted by: runner at February 23, 2020 03:47 PM (zr5Kq)

208 Posted by: Puddleglum at February 23, 2020 03:42 PM (g6OQO)

Puddle glum. Chevy's have no chance.

Posted by: Golfman at February 23, 2020 03:47 PM (M3a0a)

209 It's a mess, and I don't see much on the horizon that can reverse it.

.

Correct.

Posted by: National Divorce at February 23, 2020 03:48 PM (45Em2)

210 204 Wayne Newton's face looks like skeletor.
Posted by: Archer at February 23, 2020 03:46 PM (w6f/

Has anyone ever seen Frank Langella and Wayne Newton at the same time?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 03:48 PM (XyVor)

211 Miklos seems to be a popular target.

Just because he draws a few trolls doesn't mean we should turn a blind eye to the Magyar Menace.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 23, 2020 03:48 PM (gd9RK)

212 207 Back to CBD's question - "Would America have moved past race as a primary indicator of social standing (and so much more) without federal civil rights legislation?". I don't believe so. A gut feeling.
Posted by: runner at February 23, 2020 03:47 PM (zr5Kq)

See, I say the opposite. Also a gut feeling because we are speculating.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 03:49 PM (XyVor)

213 I refuse to take this lying down!

Posted by: Zombie St. Pancake at February 23, 2020 03:49 PM (EgshT)

214 Meh, the thing is that when the shift back to the Constitution and normal happens it is going to be quick and unanticipated by everybody.

It may be happening even now.

The democrats are reaping the whirlwind of intersectionalism and "undocumented" invaders with sanders winning.

Posted by: not so at February 23, 2020 03:49 PM (HALdu)

215 If an influx of trolls is endangering the blog I wish ace or one of the cobs would put up a post addressing it directly. Is there anything we garden variety Morons can do?

BitterClinger's post was an eye-opener. I hadn't thought of it in those terms.

Posted by: creeper at February 23, 2020 03:49 PM (XxJt1)

216 213 I refuse to take this lying down!
Posted by: Zombie St. Pancake at February 23, 2020 03:49 PM (EgshT)

Rachel Corrie has spoken!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 03:50 PM (XyVor)

217 I don't think so. They wouldn't care if it were Jews
or Christians or Marduk followers or martians. It's land, and it's
right over there, and it's under someone else's feet. Maybe being a
Jewish homeland makes it easier to get fired up about.

Posted by: hogmartin at February 23, 2020 03:41 PM (t+qrx)

Let's not forget one particular piece of real estate that cannot be separated from its religious significance: Jerusalem, in particular the Holy Mount, important for Jews, Christians, and Muslims.

There is the larger issue that in Islam, anyone who isn't Muslim is supposed to submit or die. Christians in Africa aren't being beheaded over land disputes.

Posted by: Vendette at February 23, 2020 03:50 PM (nRNOc)

218 Well you can't see them now because CBD cleaned them up but mostly the ONTs lately have been filled with hate comments often to a standing commentator if not a attack at them.
Posted by: Skip at February 23, 2020 03:41 PM (ZCEU2)

Gotcha. I missed that, sorry. Seemed at first like a warning to regulars, not trolls.

Posted by: ... at February 23, 2020 03:50 PM (uEbPt)

219 The interesting question is how do you go back to the Constitution in a logical way?

Posted by: not so at February 23, 2020 03:51 PM (HALdu)

220 So here I am sitting at a coffee house and a woman was sitting close by, drinking from her "Beto for Senate" cup. I am most appreciative that she broadcast to all the world that she is a very evil woman. (Well, I'm sorry, but she clearly supports a VERY evil man. Therefore she will never be able to claim to be a victim of evil. Rather, she is an accomplice.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 23, 2020 03:51 PM (kFLDt)

221 215 If an influx of trolls is endangering the blog I wish ace or one of the cobs would put up a post addressing it directly. Is there anything we garden variety Morons can do?

BitterClinger's post was an eye-opener. I hadn't thought of it in those terms.
Posted by: creeper at February 23, 2020 03:49 PM (XxJt1)

Actually an entire post would kind of work in the troll's favor. The point is to disrupt our ability to communicate and persuade. It is to get the people who wander in because ace likes some pop culture thing and start saying 'you know, this guy makes sense' and instead go 'gah, racism!' and move right along and then tell their friends about the racist blog they visited.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 03:52 PM (XyVor)

222 See, I say the opposite. Also a gut feeling because we are speculating.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 03:49 PM (XyVor)

I can say that about 100 yrs after the Cicil War segregation was still okey dokey would indicate that on its own racism and prejudice refuses to die. Or at least go away.

Posted by: runner at February 23, 2020 03:52 PM (zr5Kq)

223 On its own.

Posted by: runner at February 23, 2020 03:52 PM (zr5Kq)

224 So here I am sitting at a coffee house and a woman was sitting close by, drinking from her "Beto for Senate" cup. I am most appreciative that she broadcast to all the world that she is a very evil woman. (Well, I'm sorry, but she clearly supports a VERY evil man. Therefore she will never be able to claim to be a victim of evil. Rather, she is an accomplice.)
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February

She has used condoms in her purse.

Posted by: not so at February 23, 2020 03:52 PM (HALdu)

225 Is it true that Cap'n Bill promises his cruise in 2020 will be free from coronavirus and Trumpite infections?
Imagine how awful it would be to be stuck on a Plague Ship in Venezuela stuffed with NeverTrumpers.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at February 23, 2020 03:53 PM (e1mEI)

226 *Civil War

Posted by: runner at February 23, 2020 03:53 PM (zr5Kq)

227 Is it true that Cap'n Bill promises his cruise in 2020 will be free from coronavirus and Trumpite infections?
Imagine how awful it would be to be stuck on a Plague Ship in Venezuela stuffed with NeverTrumpers.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at February

The big question is why would sombody get aboard a cruise now?

Posted by: not so at February 23, 2020 03:53 PM (HALdu)

228 *and refused...

Posted by: runner at February 23, 2020 03:54 PM (zr5Kq)

229 205 If the "they" is the same, and the topic they're declaring on is the same, I think that wouldn't be a fallacy.
Posted by: m at February 23, 2020 03:41 PM (Y3R0d)

Maybe. Maybe not. Either way I don't believe it's a good reason to worry about the outcome of 2020.
Posted by: ... at February 23, 2020 03:46 PM (uEbPt)

I wondered if you might have been thinking of the logical fallacy "appeal to authority." Nicely discussed here:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/rpaedot

Posted by: m at February 23, 2020 03:54 PM (Y3R0d)

230 202:Why is everyone else allowed to have their belief system, but Catholics are not. I think these guys did this on purpose, to seed discord, to cause problems.... to try to bully the Church.

They are allowed to have a belief system because they don't have one. Post-modernism, all truth is relative. All churches are going through this kind of thing, not just Catholic. It will only get worse.

Posted by: Puddleglum at February 23, 2020 03:54 PM (g6OQO)

231 The big hurt between moslems and Jews is that hatred of Jews is hardwired into the very beginning of Islam. Their foundational myth in the Koran is that Ishmael was the firstborn son of Abraham and beloved of Allah, but Isaac conspired against him and his mother, drove them out, and stole his birthIslam. And Ishmael's descendants , the Arabs, have sworn revenge against isaac's descendants ever since.

So hatred of the Jews is at the very center of islam, always has.been, and always will be.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 23, 2020 03:54 PM (q3gwH)

232 I can say that about 100 yrs after the Cicil War segregation was still okey dokey would indicate that on its own racism and prejudice refuses to die. Or at least go away.

Your gut feeling and my gut feeling should have lunch.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 23, 2020 03:55 PM (gd9RK)

233 I think that yes, the civil rights legislation of the 1960s was in fact needed as many governments were very keen to deny them to people based on pigmentation. As one obsessed with everyone being as free as possible and for governments on ALL levels being as microscopic as we can get away with, this had to be done. BUT I am willing to concede that as beneficial as this was, the pendulum has swung so far as to have society thoroughly reject individualism and embrace the group mentality (which leads to concepts such as group rights, which the Left and too many on the Right believe trump individual rights.)

Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at February 23, 2020 03:55 PM (kFLDt)

234 Stole his birthright

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 23, 2020 03:55 PM (q3gwH)

235 $80 to watch the fight on PPV last night?

Watched it for free on YouTube today.

Posted by: Ha at February 23, 2020 03:55 PM (45Em2)

236 Why is everyone else allowed to have their belief
system, but Catholics are not. I think these guys did this on purpose,
to seed discord, to cause problems.... to try to bully the Church.

Makes me so very angry.

Posted by: nurse ratched at February 23, 2020 03:45 PM (PkVlr)

A few years ago, World Vision announced it was going to provide benefits for same-sex partners. The usual suspects proclaimed how wonderful it was, but it took them about a week to reverse the decision and I don't think they've fully recovered from. Thousands upon thousands of faithful donors and sponsors said, "See ya" and found other charities to give their money.
Personally, I quit giving to them years before that. Still makes me mad as to why I finally pulled the plug.

Posted by: Vendette at February 23, 2020 03:55 PM (nRNOc)

237 On the other hand, bench interference - legislation from the bench, scares me.

Posted by: runner at February 23, 2020 03:55 PM (zr5Kq)

238 I can say that about 100 yrs after the Cicil War segregation was still okey dokey would indicate that on its own racism and prejudice refuses to die. Or at least go away.
Posted by: runner at February 23, 2020 03:52 PM (zr5Kq)

I don't think you will ever get rid of prejudice based on the other not looking like you, that is fairly hard wired into the human psyche.

However, black integration and society at large was moving upward and segregationists were starting to be called out (how else would there have been a cry for legislation or protests?)

The question is not unlike abortion. In a sane society, you would not need a law against something in order for it not to happen except in aberrant cases.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 03:56 PM (XyVor)

239 Your gut feeling and my gut feeling should have lunch.

falafel and shawarma

Posted by: runner at February 23, 2020 03:56 PM (zr5Kq)

240 The big question is why would sombody get aboard a cruise now?

There is no cause for concern.

Posted by: Wi Tu Lo and Sum Ting Wong at February 23, 2020 03:56 PM (EgshT)

241 I think the very fact that this country fought a civil war over slavery is proof that it would have died out on its own eventually. It wasn't going away fast enough for most people but it was indeed going away.

We seem to have a problem with patience.

Random thought...if the soldiers who died in the Civil War could come back and see what they wrought would they be so quick to fight?

Posted by: creeper at February 23, 2020 03:57 PM (XxJt1)

242 237 On the other hand, bench interference - legislation from the bench, scares me.
Posted by: runner at February 23, 2020 03:55 PM (zr5Kq)

Which is why I do not mind seeing SotoOscarMeyer's comments. The court should be seen as partisan hacks only interested in imposing their views by judicial fiat. Then maybe, just maybe, someone will look at taking that power away.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 03:58 PM (XyVor)

243 Actually an entire post would kind of work in the
troll's favor. The point is to disrupt our ability to communicate and
persuade. It is to get the people who wander in because ace likes some
pop culture thing and start saying 'you know, this guy makes sense' and
instead go 'gah, racism!' and move right along and then tell their
friends about the racist blog they visited.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 03:52 PM (XyVor)

Also, they can take screen shots of their posts and post those elsewhere on the internet to "prove" this place is racist.

Posted by: Vendette at February 23, 2020 03:58 PM (nRNOc)

244 I think the very fact that this country fought a civil war over slavery is proof that it would have died out on its own eventually. It wasn't going away fast enough for most people but it was indeed going away.

We seem to have a problem with patience.

Random thought...if the soldiers who died in the Civil War could come back and see what they wrought would they be so quick to fight?
Posted by: creeper at February

That is kind of an oversimplification

Posted by: not so at February 23, 2020 03:58 PM (HALdu)

245 Seemed at first like a warning to regulars, not trolls.

Posted by: ... at February 23, 2020 03:50 PM (uEbPt)

Unfortunately the trolls don't listen to warnings, and there are a few regulars who keep testing the waters to see whether Ace lives in one of those fabled compounds in Northern idaho where all is White and good and clean and pure and free of Jooos and Papists.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2020 03:58 PM (dLLD6)

246 We may have moved past race, but the Left is incredibly evil and cunning (or at least their Master is) so they would have found another cudgel with which to institute their warped ideology.

Look how quickly they create a victim group out of thin air. Not five years ago, "trans" were a societal sideshow and afterthought. Suddenly they are the most oppressed people in history and are about to be featured in every movie and TV show.

Posted by: ... at February 23, 2020 03:58 PM (uEbPt)

247 Random thought...if the soldiers who died in the Civil War could come back and see what they wrought would they be so quick to fight?
Posted by: creeper at February 23, 2020 03:57 PM (XxJt1)

My buddy and I did a bit in college where the founding Father's come back to life today. And then start screaming.

THIS IS HELL! YOU'VE MADE A HELL ON EARTH!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 03:59 PM (XyVor)

248 The faulty engineering that placed the 14th Amendment in the Constitution mirrors that of MCAS placed in a 737 MAX.
Wild oscillations leading to instability and crash.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at February 23, 2020 04:00 PM (e1mEI)

249 However, black integration and society at large was
moving upward and segregationists were starting to be called out (how
else would there have been a cry for legislation or protests?)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 03:56 PM (XyVor)

Yes! And the Black middle class was the fastest growing in the country.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2020 04:00 PM (dLLD6)

250 Unfortunately the trolls don't listen to warnings, and there are a few regulars who keep testing the waters to see whether Ace lives in one of those fabled compounds in Northern idaho where all is White and good and clean and pure and free of Jooos and Papists.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2020 03:58 PM (dLLD6)

That's fair. I hadn't seen regulars doing that lately but I'm not in every thread. I also quickly realized the subject matter *is* touchy so I corrected myself right away.

Posted by: ... at February 23, 2020 04:00 PM (uEbPt)

251 Unfortunately the trolls don't listen to warnings, and there are a few regulars who keep testing the waters to see whether Ace lives in one of those fabled compounds in Northern idaho where all is White and good and clean and pure and free of Jooos and Papists.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 23, 2020 03:58 PM (dLLD6)

ace needs to stop printing out those brochures.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 04:00 PM (XyVor)

252 I keep warning you people, but no...you don't listen.

It's all that maple syrup on the french toast causing tinnitus.

Posted by: DaveA at February 23, 2020 04:01 PM (FhXTo)

253 That is kind of an oversimplification
Posted by: not so at February 23, 2020 03:58 PM (HALdu)

WHAT ISN'T? Lol.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 04:01 PM (XyVor)

254 The CRA has many fatal flaws (discussed in this thread), and had costs and damage that have to be weighed against the "benefits" (namely, compelling behavior that most would agree was normal and desirable). Dunno, maybe a very serious and very very laser-like restrictive public accommodation standard would "fix" most of the grievous damage done to freedom of association.

But it's really a separate question about "racism", attitudes, etc. As well as state discrimination/social engineering ("affirmative action").

Even doing a half-hearted version of MLK's character-not-color approach, and refraining from idiotic outrages like affirmative action, in the decades following the CRA would have yielded a very different current reality, which is what we're discussing.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 23, 2020 04:02 PM (El6T/)

255 Which is why I do not mind seeing SotoOscarMeyer's comments. The court should be seen as partisan hacks only interested in imposing their views by judicial fiat. Then maybe, just maybe, someone will look at taking that power away.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 03:58 PM (XyVor)

Only a fool would believe otherwise.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 23, 2020 04:03 PM (1g7ch)

256 WHAT ISN'T? Lol.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at February

Sure but why offer such an oversimplifcation?

Posted by: not so at February 23, 2020 04:03 PM (HALdu)

257 I don't think you will ever get rid of prejudice based on the other not looking like you, that is fairly hard wired into the human psyche.

You cannot get rid of personal prejudice - haters gonna hate. Institutional, codified prejudice is a different story altogether. And that is what we had.

However, black integration and society at large was moving upward and segregationists were starting to be called out (how else would there have been a cry for legislation or protests?)

Was it ? It was entirely dependent on "the kindness of strangers".

The question is not unlike abortion. In a sane society, you would not need a law against something in order for it not to happen except in aberrant cases.

Abortion is a premeditated act. Race is essence - what you are. Not sure you an equate the two.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 03:56 PM (XyVor)

Posted by: runner at February 23, 2020 04:04 PM (zr5Kq)

258 Only a fool would believe otherwise.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 23, 2020 04:03 PM (1g7ch)

If I had a nickel for every fool we churn out, I would not have to accept Bloomberg's bribe for my vote.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 04:04 PM (XyVor)

259 Nood tacos.

Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at February 23, 2020 04:05 PM (Dhht7)

260 I need to figure out how to get my hands upon some cheetos without leaving the house.

Posted by: not so at February 23, 2020 04:05 PM (HALdu)

261 In todays pc woke world any difference of opinion from the party line is considered racist

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 23, 2020 04:06 PM (85Gof)

262 Abortion is a premeditated act. Race is essence - what you are. Not sure you an equate the two.

Posted by: runner at February 23, 2020 04:04 PM (zr5Kq)

I am equating the two in how you react to them. Each is an evil. Do you react as a society with cultural force or with legislative force?

Then the argument becomes whether the same holds true for murder or other crimes, which is a good argument.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 04:06 PM (XyVor)

263 I wondered if you might have been thinking of the logical fallacy "appeal to authority." Nicely discussed here:
https://preview.tinyurl.com/rpaedot
Posted by: m at February 23, 2020 03:54 PM (Y3R0d)

No not that one. It's the one where you think "at one time scientists thought mercury was safe to handle but it turned out to be poisonous. Now scientists think X is safe to handle, so that will turn out to be poisonous too."

Posted by: ... at February 23, 2020 04:06 PM (uEbPt)

264 The dramatic, and horrendous, social implosion in black America coinciding with the CRA and the Great Society (divorce rates, out of wedlock birth rates, probably even graduation rates - though the evisceration of "education" in this period almost makes comparisons there useless) are by far the most important factoids in this area.

Not CRA, not social engineering.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 23, 2020 04:06 PM (El6T/)

265 Nood tacos.
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at February 23, 2020 04:05 PM (Dhht7)

Is it SFW

Posted by: Burnt Toast at February 23, 2020 04:06 PM (1g7ch)

266 I am equating the two in how you react to them. Each is an evil. Do you react as a society with cultural force or with legislative force?

Then the argument becomes whether the same holds true for murder or other crimes, which is a good argument.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 04:06 PM (XyVor)

I would like to answer this, but need more time and CBD is serving tacos....maybe another time.

Posted by: runner at February 23, 2020 04:08 PM (zr5Kq)

267 I would like to answer this, but need more time and CBD is serving tacos....maybe another time.
Posted by: runner at February 23, 2020 04:08 PM (zr5Kq)

Of course, man. I have got to go out and get my oil changed (not a euphemism.)

Posted by: Aetius451AD at February 23, 2020 04:09 PM (XyVor)

268 compounds

Hard to build a compound without drilling. A Vespa might come in handy inside the wall though.

Posted by: DaveA at February 23, 2020 04:11 PM (FhXTo)

269 You are mistaken if you think the war against Israel is about land. It is the eradication of Jews. Just like the holocaust was about Jews. Not their businesses or business practices or anything other than the fact that they are Jews. Muslims, Arabs can live in Israel but no Israeli can live in Palestine. There is a reason that the United Nations passses more decrees against Israel than any other country on earth. It is not about land. They don't care about human rights in North Korea or Somalia or Kenya or Venezuela. No, everything is about Jews. As Christians you can lament things being imposed on you that impinge on your right to practice your religion the way you want but it is not he existential threat that Jews face every day in Israel. The Muslim world does not want Jews to exist. Period.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 23, 2020 04:16 PM (QzF6i)

270 263 I wondered if you might have been thinking of the logical fallacy "appeal to authority." Nicely discussed here:
https://preview.tinyurl.com/rpaedot
Posted by: m at February 23, 2020 03:54 PM (Y3R0d)

No not that one. It's the one where you think "at one time scientists thought mercury was safe to handle but it turned out to be poisonous. Now scientists think X is safe to handle, so that will turn out to be poisonous too."
Posted by: ... at February 23, 2020 04:06 PM (uEbPt)

Hmm. I don't know.

Posted by: m at February 23, 2020 04:16 PM (Y3R0d)

271 sharon(willow's apprentice): You almost got willowed!

Posted by: m at February 23, 2020 04:18 PM (Y3R0d)

272 Hilarious.

Bloomberg put up a pathetic billboard that said "Donald Trump Cheats At Golf"

Trump tweeted

"Mike Bloomberg cheats at....mini golf"

Presidential Troll Level: Evil Eddorian Galactic Overlord

Link to Instapundit:

https://tinyurl.com/uvror9q

Posted by: TANSTAAFL at February 23, 2020 04:22 PM (T09ml)

273 Hmm. I don't know.
Posted by: m at February 23, 2020 04:16 PM (Y3R0d)
It's possible I made it up! Maybe tangentially related to the Causal Fallacy.

Posted by: ... at February 23, 2020 04:23 PM (uEbPt)

274 That is why I'm only an apprentice. Sigh.

Posted by: sharon(willow's apprentice) at February 23, 2020 04:25 PM (QzF6i)

275 On Codevilla's essay about the little law that ate the Constitution, in 2016.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/vcsrthu

Posted by: KT at February 23, 2020 04:30 PM (BVQ+1)

276 "I find most offensive the idea that Americans are incapable of change."

What I find most offensive is the notion that these commies are nominally Americans in the first place.

What can't go on, won't go on.

Posted by: there are only three star wars films at February 23, 2020 04:40 PM (67XdO)

277 If the founding fathers could come back, they wouldn't scream. They knew their history well, and they'd shake their heads sadly and say "yep, it's Rome all over again. We were afraid of this." And they would know what was coming next better than we do.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 23, 2020 04:56 PM (2w7OO)

278 OT: ButtJizz is demanding a "review" of the Nevada results from yesterday, claiming "irregularities".

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at February 23, 2020 06:28 PM (Ewo9R)

279 Sorry if this is too off-topic but the Mrs. and I just watched the first episode of "Washington", courtesy of the history channel (dead give-away there) and it took a serious effort to watch the whole thing even though I revere him. So many red flags... Commentators such as Bubba, all the "Pulitzer prize winning historians", the GW portrait done in Barkey's image, etc. The actor with the sniveling face as GW. (reminded me of Dennis Allen from Laugh In). And that's just scratching the surface. Needless to say, not watching the rest. Total waste of one's time!

Posted by: jollyr at February 23, 2020 06:30 PM (qSkIy)

280 Sorry if this is too off-topic but the Mrs. and I
just watched the first episode of "Washington", courtesy of the history
channel (dead give-away there) and it took a serious effort to watch the
whole thing even though I revere him. So many red flags... Commentators
such as Bubba, all the "Pulitzer prize winning historians", the GW
portrait done in Barkey's image, etc. The actor with the sniveling face
as GW. (reminded me of Dennis Allen from Laugh In). And that's just
scratching the surface. Needless to say, not watching the rest. Total
waste of one's time!

Posted by: jollyr at February 23, 2020 06:30 PM (qSkIy)

Its actually pretty good. You just have to ignore the parade of losers they interview. Some are ok.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at February 23, 2020 06:35 PM (9Om/r)

281 The real problem here goes back to the FDR administration. Roosevelt, like his grandpa, wanted to sweep aside inconvenient things like our constitutional rights; but unlike Teddy he didn't have the patience to go through the process of actually amending the Constitution, so instead he started appointing unjust "justices" who would lie about what it meant. Then when even that started to fail him, he threatened to pack the Court if it didn't start reading things his way.
The result has been about a century of illegitimate precedents which cry out to be struck down no matter who says we can't. Trump was elected, in my opinion, to be the bull who will rampage through that china shop and smash it but good.
If even he proves unequal to the task, we'll need to consider farther-right candidates. Rush Limbaugh anyone?

Posted by: jdgalt at February 23, 2020 06:44 PM (3SFo/)

282 "[The Ban HammerTM was just overhauled, so please be aware!]"

Ace thus puts us on notice that he will be another zealous enforcer of our subjugation. Don't want AOSHQ put on a List by SPLC! That shit goes on your Permanent Record!

Remember kiddos. No Bad Thoughts! You Can't Notice (Out Loud)!

ACE-- No man can serve two masters! This is not a fence you can straddle.

I say FVCK THE WOKENAZIS. FVCK THE SPLC!

Posted by: Byzantine General at February 23, 2020 07:02 PM (B1JrQ)

283 i graduated grade school long long ago.when my old man's house got to be too small for both of us I hauled ass.
I will not accept being put on my best behavior.

Posted by: Byzantine General at February 23, 2020 07:07 PM (B1JrQ)

284
Posted by: Byzantine General at February 23, 2020 07:02 PM (B1JrQ)

Fuck off, candy-ass.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at February 23, 2020 07:08 PM (wc1vX)

285 When Hawaii judges invent and impose these "rights", they rob citizens of the right to self-government.

That's the Right that's under threat.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at February 23, 2020 07:15 PM (Ndje9)

286 280 - Berserker... I don't disagree with you that there's good info embedded in the show but having to filter out the BS this time just got to me. (perhaps due to the amount of Ethanol consumed prior to watching. ;-D)

Posted by: jollyr at February 23, 2020 07:41 PM (qSkIy)

287 I know it's old and no one will probably read, but you nailed this CBD.
And the only way to "get it back" is NOT to rely on a President, but to educate our fellow citizens back into a moral and intelligent electorate that will guard their actual rights jealously and zealously, and will take their responsibilities seriously.

Posted by: GWB at February 23, 2020 07:51 PM (LNiBi)

288 Sort of related: Jennifer Rubin thinks that the Democrats' best chance to save the Republic (and conservatism, of course) would be to get Biden to name Stacey Abrams or K Harris as his running mate. That would be "exciting".Then they just need to get the other candidates to drop out or "shift their focus".

Nothing heavy-handed about that, right?
Stacey Abrams? Exciting?

https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/status/1231584406294421506

Posted by: KT at February 23, 2020 08:13 PM (BVQ+1)

289 The U.S. Constitution is our law of the Land if the Liberal Human Rights Pansies/Snowflakes can't get that then they need to Leave

Posted by: Tamaa the Drongo Bird at February 24, 2020 05:06 PM (wGqjj)

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