Thread before the Gardening Thread [KT]

Serving your mid-day open thread needs

Hope everyone made it through Thanksgiving and Black Friday. I don't feel very organized myself. I'm starting off with a description of a left-on-left war. Leave us out of this one.

Race and Gender War in Communication Studies

Did you know that there is a Culture War in Communication Studies? Did you know that the white racism which infects all of our media today can be traced back to -- wait for it -- The Frankfurt School?

This piece was written by an admirer of the Frankfurt School, actually. At least certain members of it. Some of their early predictions about mass communications are interesting in an ironic way.

Communication studies is a broad field, encompassing verbal, written and non-verbal sub-categories. And it has been affected by some of the same ideological forces whose influence is now felt throughout the liberal arts. During my postgraduate work in Canada, in fact, I abandoned communications (in favour of sociology) largely because of this phenomenon. As I recounted in a 2018 Quillette article, a professor stood up in front of one class and proclaimed to all of us that the sociology academics at another well-known Canadian university were "white racists." For this, the professor received applause.
The call for #CommunicationSoWhite abstracts were very much of this broad-brush type, as was the mission statement: "to decenter white masculinity as the normative core of scholarly inquiry." The keynote speaker was Roopali Mukherjee, an Associate Professor at Queen's College, New York. She opened with a history lesson. It was American Jewish scholars fleeing Nazi Germany who essentially founded the field of communication studies, Mukherjee told us. These Frankfurt School scholars, having escaped a nightmare world of anti-Semitism and hatred, focused their work on issues of race, on how media spreads hate, and on how propaganda works against vulnerable groups. But once the Second World War was over and these scholars were comfortably ensconced in American universities, Mukherjee lamented, their focus wandered. This is where Mukherjee believes the field lost its way.
These scholars ceased, in her view, to study how media affects members of disenfranchised groups, and instead began to study how media affects everyone, the human animal. Under this approach, the generalized human, according to Mukherjee, was now conceived as a white American. Hence did communications begin to grow #SoWhite. . . . .

BAD Frankfurt School Scholars -- focusing on how media affects everyone.

Random quote I liked:

One reason why many smart students have given up on not just communications, but the liberal arts more generally, is that they don't see value in paying tens of thousands of tuition dollars each year for lectures from professors whose ideas and methodology are increasingly difficult to distinguish from the kind of rants one finds on YouTube.

Author's bottom line:

One of the most important texts in the history of communications was Dialectic of Enlightenment: Philosophical Fragments, originally authored (in German) by Frankfurt theorists Max Horkheimer and Theodor Adorno in the 1940s. Published amid the cultural transformations wrought by radio, film and the still-nascent medium of television, the authors gave voice to Marxist-inspired concerns that mass-produced culture would allow society's commercial class to program our cultural tastes in a way that served its own needs and justified pre-existing hierarchies. From this early stage, those who developed and studied the field of communications imagined themselves to be--and sometimes really were--independently minded people who could resist this cultural programming and stand outside the media onslaught that was seducing society at large. And this idea of communications scholars as a sort of special priestly class, uniquely resistant to the effects of propaganda, was a hubristic conceit that survives within the field to this day.
Whether or not this conceit was ever fully justified, the #CommunicationSoWhite controversy now has made a mockery of it: The scholars I observed at that May event, like those I see calling for heretics' heads on campuses, now traffic in the same sort of ideologically-driven propaganda that giants of the Frankfurt School warned of. They deliver lectures without evidence, elicit applause for coarse attacks on broad swathes of the population, and use social media to scream at the people they're instructed to scream at.
In Dialectic of Enlightenment, Horkheimer and Adorno warned that new media were transforming audience members into passive receptacles, "in order to expose them in authoritarian fashion to the same programs...No mechanism of reply has been developed, and private transmissions are condemned to unfreedom." It is sad to see these dire predictions vindicated--without any hint of self-awareness--by the very academics purporting to follow in their footsteps.

Europe

Best thing about the stabbing incident yesterday in London? The guy who fought back with a 5' narwal tusk.

Worst things? The terrorist had been part of a plot to bomb the London stock exchange, and had been invited to attend a program on prisoner rehabilitation. "The police would have shown more interest if he had retweeted a 'transphobic' poem."

And the London incident was followed by more stabbings in The Netherlands.

Note to Jihadists: In France, it's not murder if you smoke pot before murdering a Jewish kindergarten teacher.

Best wishes to our friends in Europe in dealing with these inane developments.

Thanksgiving Leftovers

Buck Throckmorton got an Instalanche on his second-ever Open Blogger piece yesterday, from Ed Driscoll. Congrats!

Never Yet Melted has some interesting observations for the holiday weekend. However bad you think America's universities are, they are worse. Yep.

Maybe you shouldn't send those kids back to school.

And there's an excerpt from a piece on the real story of Thanksgiving from 2005 in Human Events that begins:

Writing in his diary of the dire economic straits and self-destructive behavior that consumed his fellow Puritans shortly after their arrival, Governor William Bradford painted a picture of destitute settlers selling their clothes and bed coverings for food while others "became servants to the Indians," cutting wood and fetching water in exchange for "a capful of corn." The most desperate among them starved, with Bradford recounting how one settler, in gathering shellfish along the shore, "was so weak ... he stuck fast in the mud and was found dead in the place."
The colony's leaders identified the source of their problem as a particularly vile form of what Bradford called "communism." . . .

Sarah Hoyt passed along a Response to Thanksgiving History as told by the New York Times. From the Bookworm Room.

The NYT gives space to a lily-white George Washington University History Professor, David J. Silverman, who, surprise, thinks that Thanksgiving is a tragedy of colonialism. He states that the "Native American past and present tend to make white people uncomfortable because they turn patriotic histories and heroes inside out and loosen claims on morality, authority and justice. " According to this donkey's ass, white people were evil, while red people were pristine, good, and with a culture that was "every bit as ancient and rich as in Europe."

Hope the rest of your weekend goes well.

Is this art, or is it rubbish?

Posted by: Open Blogger at 11:18 AM

Comments

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1 Ttt

Posted by: blaster at November 30, 2019 11:21 AM (ZfRYq)

2 Unfirst.

I didn't read the content yet but I did nood.

Still doing it wrong.

Posted by: mindful webworker - beyond the farthest star at November 30, 2019 11:21 AM (WyqH5)

3 I claim this thread for Christendom

Posted by: blaster at November 30, 2019 11:22 AM (ZfRYq)

4 gonna make rice buns for KTY today

Posted by: vmom happy to have college kid home at November 30, 2019 11:22 AM (G546f)

5 Mw your NOOD was too clever by half.

Posted by: blaster at November 30, 2019 11:22 AM (ZfRYq)

6 Beat to #1 by blaster's erudition.

I like it when there's no comments yet, and the (Jump to top of page) and (Jump to bottom of page) links are right next to each other. Clicking back and forth between them. So much fun.

Posted by: mindful webworker - beyond the farthest star at November 30, 2019 11:23 AM (WyqH5)

7
According to this donkey's ass, white people were evil, while red people were pristine, good, and with a culture that was "every bit as ancient and rich as in Europe."

No written history, artifacts not much advanced from the Stone Age. Yeah, rich.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 30, 2019 11:24 AM (9dTMN)

8 Looks like the kids sitting at that table are looking at their phones. Man, this problem has been around for a while.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 30, 2019 11:25 AM (Y4EXg)

9
I claim this thread for Christendom
Posted by: blaster at November 30, 2019 11:22 AM (ZfRYq)

Deus vult!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 30, 2019 11:25 AM (9dTMN)

10 Up next in effective governance: GB to ban all forms of Tusks

Posted by: mildycitrusy at November 30, 2019 11:26 AM (aVmhV)

11 rubbish.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 30, 2019 11:26 AM (KP5rU)

12 How long before so twit in the UK demands common sense narwal control?

Posted by: Tonypete at November 30, 2019 11:27 AM (Y4EXg)

13 12; i'm sure the prince of giant ears and no brains already has.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 30, 2019 11:28 AM (KP5rU)

14 read the good content, so not first ...

"new media were transforming audience members into passive receptacles"

"4 Arguments for the Elimination of Television" covered the passive nature of TV, but we now have the dopamine hit addiction of the internet, which maybe is even worse. Add in the Google efforts at censorship and controlled search results, and it would be hard to overestimate the damage being done via their insidious psychological controls.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 30, 2019 11:29 AM (Cus5s)

15 We cannot find the remains of those noble ancient civilizations of the Western Hemisphere and Africa because those indignant people lived in harmony with nature and left no footprints in a way our current civilization could also be if we just follow the dictates of Gerta von Occasio-Cortez, go naked and eat bugs.

Posted by: mindful webworker - somewhat at November 30, 2019 11:30 AM (WyqH5)

16 For some reason I had it stuck in my head (SWIDT?) that a Narwhal had a 'horn-like' appendage protruding from their head rather than an exceedingly long tusk. I blame my public school education.

I am going to have to reexamine all my previously held prejudices about narwhals, and look at them afresh. .

Posted by: Muldoon at November 30, 2019 11:30 AM (m45I2)

17

I'm white.

I EARNED my "white privilege" by merit of consistent application to my goals in life.

Color had nothing to do with it. The only thing ever handed to me was the same thing handed to ALL--an opportunity--what I did with it was on my dime.

As it should be.

If that poses a problem, then tough shit--deal.

Posted by: irongrampa at November 30, 2019 11:31 AM (KATBx)

18 Top 20!

Posted by: Thanatopsis at beautiful Chancre del Diablo ranch at November 30, 2019 11:32 AM (TmB4S)

19 "Is this art, or is it rubbish?" (Great song title btw)

Really OB? Really? Much more creative than most modern music. Watch them do Psycho Killer. Or Pinball Wizard. Ever see Metallica on the Uke? Woot.

Picks up one of 6 ukulele.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 30, 2019 11:32 AM (VqhL9)

20 And I read the content. Where is everybody?

Posted by: Thanatopsis at beautiful Chancre del Diablo ranch at November 30, 2019 11:32 AM (TmB4S)

21 Tuna - chicken of the sea

Narwhal - hillbilly of the sea

Posted by: Muldoon at November 30, 2019 11:33 AM (m45I2)

22 It's not the answer that rants.

What is the question Leo? It's the question. You know what the question is.

Why do media + co. eat Solvent Green and master's shit?

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at November 30, 2019 11:34 AM (pB6Gt)

23 Black Friday sounds so racist. We should change the name to something more inclusive such as, Rainbow Friday.

Posted by: The Rick Wilson at November 30, 2019 11:34 AM (Pzzpr)

24
And I read the content. Where is everybody?

Posted by: Thanatopsis at beautiful Chancre del Diablo ranch

This thread is no longer hot. Only losers comment here.

Ta-ta! Off to the VIP room!

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 30, 2019 11:35 AM (9dTMN)

25 Is this art, or is it rubbish?

I liked his spiel at the beginning: "...a very important question to get right when you're the janitor in a university art department".

Posted by: t-bird at November 30, 2019 11:35 AM (TQyCa)

26 It's rubbish. The uke group.

Here's the best cover of Gregg Allman's Melissa you'll find on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3Mmoa4WIyg

Listen to it with headphones, and follow the bass line. Then listen to it by the Allmans.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at November 30, 2019 11:36 AM (+fPHo)

27 Up next in effective governance: GB to ban all forms of Tusks
Posted by: mildycitrusy at November 30, 2019 11:26 AM (aVmhV)

Lindsey Buckingham hardest hit.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 30, 2019 11:36 AM (1glZx)

28 Loneliest job in the world: Maytag repairman

Second loneliest job in the world: Narwhal orthodontist

Posted by: Muldoon at November 30, 2019 11:37 AM (m45I2)

29 Ta-ta! Off to the VIP room!

Dude, she's got a kid!

Posted by: Hunter Biden at November 30, 2019 11:37 AM (Pu/Kw)

30 10 Up next in effective governance: GB to ban all forms of Tusks
Posted by: mildycitrusy at November 30, 2019 11:26 AM (aVmhV)

Horning in on the ability of self defense?

Posted by: Don Q at November 30, 2019 11:37 AM (NgKpN)

31 Ta-ta! Off to the VIP room!
Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh

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~~Ta-ta!~~ Ta-Tas! Off to the VIP room! (Fixed it for you.)

Anyone know how to get body glitter off of your glasses?

Posted by: Tonypete at November 30, 2019 11:37 AM (Y4EXg)

32 call it whatever friday you want. i have never left the house on that day. i call it, fuck it friday.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 30, 2019 11:38 AM (KP5rU)

33 Parliament is a harsh tuskmaster.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 30, 2019 11:38 AM (m45I2)

34 Anyone know how to get body glitter off of your glasses?
Posted by: Tonypete at November 30, 2019 11:37 AM (Y4EXg)
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Protip: remove glasses before motorboating.

Posted by: Captain Obvious at November 30, 2019 11:39 AM (3Z6pZ)

35 31; have a russian hooker piss on them. always worked for me.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 30, 2019 11:39 AM (KP5rU)

36 In all fairness though, the typical official Brit response to a terrorist stabbing is to say "Tusk, tusk!"

Posted by: Muldoon at November 30, 2019 11:39 AM (m45I2)

37 Keep the lady and glitter.

Get new glasses.

Posted by: Humphreyrobot at November 30, 2019 11:40 AM (pB6Gt)

38 we need responsible narwhal tusk control laws. for the children.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at November 30, 2019 11:40 AM (KP5rU)

39 That lazy big-toothed bastidge was always a na'ar-do-well.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 30, 2019 11:41 AM (m45I2)

40 Obviously music can't be fun to the ukulele haters.

Maybe this.

https://youtu.be/0gaWuadgL3g

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 30, 2019 11:43 AM (VqhL9)

41 The best single day in college football every year. Everyone plays their most hated rivals.

My bulldogs will crush the gnats btw.

Posted by: weirdflunky at November 30, 2019 11:43 AM (cknjq)

42 Speaking of ukuleles and narwhals, today's featured limerick iof-the-day is unexpectedly topical.

When seeking your musical niche ...

link in nick.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 30, 2019 11:44 AM (m45I2)

43 That lazy big-toothed bastidge was always a na'ar-do-well.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 30, 2019 11:41 AM (m45I2)

A pun for everything. I'll bet you kept your patients in stitches.

Posted by: DR.WTF at November 30, 2019 11:44 AM (aS1PU)

44 I had an album of Bach pieces called "The Pocket Bach," all done by George Fields on harmonica, multi-tracking. Disappeared somewhere long back in time, probably in a boating accident.

Definitely art.
Ooh, and here it is! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNFBl0ENQR4

Posted by: Hierominous Botch at November 30, 2019 11:45 AM (YqED9)

45 My Fuck it Friday was great. Why go to the store and deal with mentally unstable assholes? Got a bunch of shit done around the house.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at November 30, 2019 11:46 AM (89T5c)

46 hubby is watching the asia robo con which is in Mongolia
Hongkong beats China in semi final

Posted by: vmom happy to have college kid home at November 30, 2019 11:47 AM (G546f)

47 now it's Mongolia vs HongKong

Posted by: vmom happy to have college kid home at November 30, 2019 11:48 AM (G546f)

48 26 It's rubbish. The uke group.

Here's the best cover of Gregg Allman's Melissa you'll find on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3Mmoa4WIyg

Posted by: Les Kinetic at November 30, 2019 11:36 AM (+fPHo)

I fell asleep during it. Gees.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 30, 2019 11:49 AM (VqhL9)

49 Oh no! Muldoon's on a riffing frenzy!

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Movie Cricket at November 30, 2019 11:50 AM (x8Wzq)

50 hiya

Posted by: JT at November 30, 2019 11:51 AM (arJlL)

51 Mongolia drops the thingy - Hongking wins

also, China's robot looks like those scary dog bots in the previous thread
tip - tangle the legs up

Posted by: vmom happy to have college kid home at November 30, 2019 11:51 AM (G546f)

52 The music is enjoyable, the players are skilled, the audience enjoys the performance immensely. "Art" is a pretentious term, but it's certainly good musical entertainment!

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 30, 2019 11:51 AM (Kpl3J)

53 Oh no! Muldoon's on a riffing frenzy!
Posted by: Pug Mahon, Movie Cricket at November 30, 2019 11:50 AM (x8Wzq)
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He's a Riffian Berber?

Posted by: Captain Obvious at November 30, 2019 11:51 AM (3Z6pZ)

54 That's a mighty dense post up there. Still working through it.

And the London incident... In France...

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Posted by: mindful webworker - ollie ally auli oly outs in free at November 30, 2019 11:53 AM (WyqH5)

55 as to the arguments about Communications theory - my reaction is the same one I would have if I was forced to listen to Islamic "scholars" debate the True Meaning of the 4th Surah of the Koran.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 30, 2019 11:54 AM (Kpl3J)

56 High Five Tom. I know the theory is understand your enemy to defeat them more quickly but I just can not endure most commie drivel.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 30, 2019 11:56 AM (n4y+3)

57 woof!

Posted by: vmom's doggeh at November 30, 2019 12:00 PM (G546f)

58 All right. I shall leave y'all to it. Enjoy your day.

Endeavour to persevere.

Posted by: Muldoon at November 30, 2019 12:00 PM (m45I2)

59 I keep having weird reams about plane crashes, but the thing is, I'm never on them. I witness them--and it's always on take-off or landing. And one more thing, the planes are always odd-looking.

What the fuck does this mean?

Posted by: JoeF. at November 30, 2019 12:01 PM (CqE5x)

60 Chocolate whiskey cake today I think. I cant stop baking.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 30, 2019 12:02 PM (VqhL9)

61 woof!

Posted by: vmom's doggeh
________

But has your dog considered his or her thesis from a Marxist perspective?

Posted by: WaterCow at November 30, 2019 12:03 PM (EiOpn)

62 Posted by: JoeF. at November 30, 2019 12:01 PM (CqE5x)

Reams = surprise anal probably

Posted by: weirdflunky at November 30, 2019 12:03 PM (cknjq)

63 chocolate whisk cake? oh my

Posted by: vmom's in the kitchen at November 30, 2019 12:03 PM (G546f)

64 Wow! Kaczinski cabin loft stairs/ladder done, came together just like I planned it in my mind (usually something goes wrong/unanticipated) wish I could post pictures. I made all the cuts last night with my miter saw, except for slot 90s where the runners meet the loft (wanted to mark them in place).

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 30, 2019 12:04 PM (+GSCx)

65 59 I keep having weird reams about plane crashes, but the thing is, I'm never on them. I witness them--and it's always on take-off or landing. And one more thing, the planes are always odd-looking.

What the fuck does this mean?

Posted by: JoeF. at November 30, 2019 12:01 PM (CqE5x)

You're gonna die. Have great day Joe!

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 30, 2019 12:04 PM (VqhL9)

66 Why is France always portrayed as a nation of surrendering pussies? Is this from WW2? Or does it go all the way back to Vercingetorix prostrating himself before Caesar?

Posted by: JoeF. at November 30, 2019 12:04 PM (CqE5x)

67 I keep having weird reams about plane crashes, but the thing is, I'm never on them. I witness them--and it's always on take-off or landing. And one more thing, the planes are always odd-looking.

What the fuck does this mean?

Posted by: JoeF. at November 30, 2019 12:01 PM (CqE5x)

You're gonna die. Have great day Joe!
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 30, 2019 12:04 PM (VqhL9)

Yeah, but I've been having these dreams for years.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 30, 2019 12:05 PM (CqE5x)

68 Angle is 22.5 degrees, stairs and runners are 2x8 (actual 1.5 x 7.5), risers are 12 inches.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 30, 2019 12:06 PM (+GSCx)

69 Posted by: JoeF. at November 30, 2019 12:01 PM (CqE5x)

Reams = surprise anal probably
Posted by: weirdflunky at November 30, 2019 12:03 PM (cknjq)

lol

Posted by: JoeF. at November 30, 2019 12:06 PM (CqE5x)

70 Probably going to make cubby shelves on the backside for shoe storage.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 30, 2019 12:06 PM (+GSCx)

71 The best single day in college football every year. Everyone plays their most hated rivals.

Used to. Hard to get excited about Penn State-Rutgers.

Posted by: t-bird at November 30, 2019 12:07 PM (JgLEu)

72
I keep having weird reams about plane crashes, but the thing is, I'm never on them. I witness them--and it's always on take-off or landing. And one more thing, the planes are always odd-looking.

What the fuck does this mean?

Posted by: JoeF. at November 30, 2019 12:01 PM (CqE5x)

It's yet another indication of your racism, misogyny, white supremacist delusions, Islamophobia and hatred of POC and LGBT.

Please come with us. It will only take five minutes.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 30, 2019 12:07 PM (9dTMN)

73 What the fuck does this mean?
Posted by: JoeF. at November 30, 2019 12:01 PM (CqE5x)

*adjusts spectacles*

you are interrrnalizing the fears of the millions of victims this month who could not fly to escape a fiery fate - in ozzer vords, you ate too much turkey

Posted by: vmom's in the kitchen at November 30, 2019 12:07 PM (G546f)

74 Black Friday sounds so racist. We should change the name to something more inclusive such as, Rainbow Friday.
Posted by: The Rick Wilson at November 30, 2019 11:34 AM (Pzzpr)

I'm actually surprised that this hasn't been seriously proposed.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 30, 2019 12:08 PM (CqE5x)

75 I understand that the critical theory and deconstructionism comes out of literary research.
Initially, during the 1850's there was a drive to discover the various national cultures and identities to allow the resurgence of a unified nation for the German speaking peoples, who were split up in various kingdoms and states.
From this came ethnographers and folklorists and similar researchers and antiquarians.
One of the things found was that stories are very much culturally based, and even if the story line is similar, the tropes don't translate well. This led to the idea of deconstruction to find the underlying cultural concepts to find the common ground for peoples and cultures.

Of course this became an idea that if you understand the underlying concepts on how people think, you know where to shove the levels to make changes in society, and gives you an idea of what foundations to change to make a seminal change in society as a whole.

This has changed in the last 40 or so years to creating change by dictating what basic elements of culture and thought are not allowable without taking into consideration of what the cultural ideas are and what purpose they serve -- in short a cultural revolution like the Chinese nearly destroyed themselves with. It ignores cultures as irrelevant social constructs that can be modified at will, and relies on success through . . . um . . . Triumph of that will, I suppose.

There is no proof whatsoever that this actually does any good, or creates meaningful change. Count Dankula (who was jailed for hate speech over teaching his girlfriend's pug to give a "nazi" salute when he said "gas the Jews" and posting it on instagram) talks about how when he was a kid in Scotland the Catholic and the Protestant kids would get into vicious gang fights and scream religious slurs at each other, but nowadays because of the hate speech legislation, the Catholic and Protestant kids get into vicious gang fights and don't say anything at each other at all.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 30, 2019 12:09 PM (1glZx)

76 "... white people were evil, while red people were pristine, good, and
with a culture that was "every bit as ancient and rich as in Europe."

Culture is revealed in how people get along and build community and enterprise, then in how they deal with other nations, via alliances or war. The old "Noble Savage" myths have been mostly destroyed ... and third world cultures remain third world for cultural weakness reasons. (e.g. failing to kill mafia style dictators)

One of JJ's links the other day said many Indian tribes chose to join with the white settlers because they had been so viciously abused by other Indian tribes.

Technological advancement can certainly be abused to take advantage of the average native (corporate raiders versus fly over country?) ... but such advancement does not occur without a more "enlightened" culture to support its growth. imo.

DeepState is the current "white man evil", and if we are to retain the dreams of our WASPy founders and/or pre-1920 immigrants, we must defeat those anti-Liberty globalists. The Frankfurt School foreign enemy has birthed the current DeepState domestic enemy.

imo our CIA was globalist compromised from the get go, and heads of the FBI have followed in their path ... Live Free or Die. The culture wars continue, Western Civ must assert itself again, and reform the more perfect union.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 30, 2019 12:09 PM (Cus5s)

77 Lunch break
Now onto the content

Posted by: Skip at November 30, 2019 12:10 PM (ZCEU2)

78 "Hard to get excited about Penn State-Rutgers."

What was the Big10 thinking when they let Rutgers join? Why do they let them stay in the Big10?

Posted by: lowandslow at November 30, 2019 12:11 PM (4thlk)

79 It was American Jewish scholars fleeing Nazi Germany who essentially founded the field of communication studies

Correction: it was GERMAN Jewish scholars, and more accurate GERMAN Jewish COMMUNISTS, whom we were stupid enough to allow into this country.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 12:11 PM (mAKQ6)

80 When the workers of Europe failed to rise up after WW I because they were busy buying refrigerators, Antonio Gramsci provided the new method -- while Adorno, Horkheimer, and Marcuse (along with Derrida, Foucault, and Chomsky later) worked out the new shtick -- for Marxism's 20th century rebirth as the college campus religion of postmodernism. Class war was out... culture war was in, with Kant-Hegelian denial of objective reality making it all possible. Yay!

Anyone associating with sociology, "communications," or any liberal art in general, deserves everything they get.

Posted by: Al Crapton at November 30, 2019 12:11 PM (TXnpi)

81 Yeah, but I've been having these dreams for years.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 30, 2019 12:05 PM (CqE5x)

Yeah, but I use that for all my dream prognostication because i cant be wrong.

You don't want to know my dreams are just too weird. I mean I have a whole nother' life in my dreams. Nothing to do with this life.

Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 30, 2019 12:11 PM (VqhL9)

82 Why is France always portrayed as a nation of surrendering pussies? Is this from WW2? Or does it go all the way back to Vercingetorix prostrating himself before Caesar?

Posted by: JoeF.
________

They wussed out when the Germans marched into the Rhineland in 1936. A simple "Get off my lawn" could have prevented World War II.

Posted by: FireHorse at November 30, 2019 12:11 PM (EiOpn)

83 We were also stupid enough to allow "Roopali Mukherjee" into this country.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 12:11 PM (mAKQ6)

84 55 as to the arguments about Communications theory - my reaction is the same one I would have if I was forced to listen to Islamic "scholars" debate the True Meaning of the 4th Surah of the Koran.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 30, 2019 11:54 AM

Communications theory that matters, how to write a SIOP

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2019 12:12 PM (ttfHf)

85 Correction: it was GERMAN Jewish scholars, and more accurate GERMAN Jewish COMMUNISTS, whom we were stupid enough to allow into this country.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 12:11 PM (mAKQ6)

Exactly.

Posted by: Al Crapton at November 30, 2019 12:13 PM (TXnpi)

86 Forgot to mention- I was using 2 drill motors for the entire project- I to drill pilot holes, the other to drive long screws, and never once did I have em on bakerds

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 30, 2019 12:13 PM (+GSCx)

87 We were also stupid enough to allow "Roopali Mukherjee" into this country.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 12:11 PM (mAKQ6)

Is that RuPaul in mufti?

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 30, 2019 12:13 PM (/sgva)

88 talks about how when he was a kid in Scotland the Catholic and the Protestant kids would get into vicious gang fights and scream religious slurs at each other, but nowadays because of the hate speech legislation, the Catholic and Protestant kids get into vicious gang fights and don't say anything at each other at all.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 30, 2019 12:09 PM (1glZx)

Do they fight like mimes?

Posted by: JoeF. at November 30, 2019 12:13 PM (CqE5x)

89 What the fuck does this mean?
Posted by: JoeF. at November 30, 2019 12:01 PM (CqE5x)

you have a suppressed desire to get into design and aerospace prototyping.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 30, 2019 12:14 PM (1glZx)

90 I imagine Irish and Scot kids fight like Irish and Scot adults (so like Sikhs, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, Zulus, and Gurkhas). I think the Brits had it right with their "martial people's" theory.

Posted by: Farmer Bob at November 30, 2019 12:17 PM (+GSCx)

91 Why is France always portrayed as a nation of surrendering pussies? Is this from WW2? Or does it go all the way back to Vercingetorix prostrating himself before Caesar?

Posted by: JoeF.

The latter. Vercingetorix, surrounded by Caesar, drove all of the Gauls' women and children outside the Gauls' lines, reasoning that Caesar would have to take them in and feed them. Caesar was himself in a spot, because a shitload of other Gauls had to come surround him, and so he and his army were the torus between two walls, cut off from food or aid.

So Caesar refused to take in the Gauls' women and children. (Tough guy.) The Gauls' women and children starved to death while the Gauls looked on.

I pass over Crecy, Agincourt, the French and Indian War, Haiti, the Franco-Prussian War, etc. in recounting French military disasters.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 12:17 PM (mAKQ6)

92 The closest I have been to Scotland was Plymouth, MA. I saw the rock and I saw a horseshoe crab.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 30, 2019 12:17 PM (1glZx)

93 Is that RuPaul in mufti?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 30, 2019 12:13 PM (/sgva)

We'd be better off with RuPaul. He's just a fruit, not a commie, AFAIK.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 12:19 PM (mAKQ6)

94 JoeF #59: I keep having weird reams about plane crashes, but the thing is, I'm never on them. I witness them--and it's always on take-off or landing. And one more thing, the planes are always odd-looking.
What the fuck does this mean?

While you sleep, Alexagoggle hijacks your unused brainpower for their own nefarious ends.

In your case, they may be running prototype design flight simulations.

Probably based on Roswell technology.

Posted by: mindful webworker - aureole 51? at November 30, 2019 12:19 PM (WyqH5)

95 In Dialectic of Enlightenment, Horkheimer and Adorno warned that new
media were transforming audience members into passive receptacles, "in
order to expose them in authoritarian fashion to the same programs...No
mechanism of reply has been developed, and private transmissions are
condemned to unfreedom."

Big Brother nods approvingly

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 30, 2019 12:20 PM (mPbc8)

96 Great stuff as always KT
My thinking is the Communist dividing civilization has broadened out from the original case warfare ( which was the French revolution goal) into race since mostly the 1960s. Of course the Nazis started the race dividing.

Posted by: Skip at November 30, 2019 12:21 PM (ZCEU2)

97 I like the UK Ukulele orchestra

Posted by: Skip at November 30, 2019 12:22 PM (ZCEU2)

98 85 Correction: it was GERMAN Jewish scholars, and more accurate GERMAN Jewish COMMUNISTS, whom we were stupid enough to allow into this country.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 12:11 PM (mAKQ6)

Exactly.
Posted by: Al Crapton at November 30, 2019 12:13 PM (TXnpi)

Consider further that Roosevelt turned away ships full of German Jewish refugees, but allowed in these shitheads, who immediately set up shop at Columbia.

Am I the only one who suspects that American Reds pulled strings to get these and only these shitheads into the country? And that many of said Reds were already at Columbia?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 12:22 PM (mAKQ6)

99 Nuke the ukes!

[just silly rhyming, not really invoking thermonukeuler attacks on fine musicians]

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 30, 2019 12:22 PM (dQ1sa)

100 I pass over Crecy, Agincourt, the French and Indian War, Haiti, the Franco-Prussian War, etc. in recounting French military disasters.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
________

Part of the "etc." that's worth mentioning is Algeria's struggle for independence. They basically blew stuff up until France decided is wasn't worth the hassle. Any wonder that terrorists now consider France a great target?

There's also Dien Bien Phu but that a whole other story.

Posted by: FireHorse at November 30, 2019 12:23 PM (EiOpn)

101 I did indeed loves me some commies.

Posted by: Zombie FDR at November 30, 2019 12:23 PM (EgshT)

102 You don't want to know my dreams are just too weird. I mean I have a whole nother' life in my dreams. Nothing to do with this life.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob at November 30, 2019 12:11 PM

You're vegan in it?

Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 30, 2019 12:23 PM (DMUuz)

103 > According to this donkey's ass, white people were evil, while red
people were pristine, good

The Iroquois were literally engaged in moving into the area and genociding the resident Algonquians at the time the Pilgrims arrived.

It's like the way that white communists are invariably convinced that blacks, Latinos, and Asians are best buds with each other when in fact they hate each other. Hell, even the different kinds of Asians hate each other. Puerto Ricans don't much like Cubans or Mexicans. And so on.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 30, 2019 12:24 PM (oQp6r)

104 JoeF., on a serious note, the best way to figure out what a dream means is to.notice how you feel during the dream and when you wake up.

Posted by: vmom's in the kitchen at November 30, 2019 12:24 PM (G546f)

105 Farmer Bob would have liked to see it

Posted by: Skip at November 30, 2019 12:24 PM (ZCEU2)

106 talks about how when he was a kid in Scotland the
Catholic and the Protestant kids would get into vicious gang fights and
scream religious slurs at each other, but nowadays because of the hate
speech legislation, the Catholic and Protestant kids get into vicious
gang fights and don't say anything at each other at all.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 30, 2019 12:09 PM (1glZx)

I worked with a Catholic guy who was from Glasgow. He said the Celts soccer team was the Catholic team and the Rangers was the Protestant team and things could get ugly over those games.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 30, 2019 12:25 PM (mPbc8)

107 JoeF., on a serious note, the best way to figure out what a dream means is to.notice how you feel during the dream and when you wake up.
Posted by: vmom's in the kitchen at November 30, 2019 12:24 PM (G546f)

Mostly bemused while dreaming, and "Wtf?" upon waking up.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 30, 2019 12:25 PM (CqE5x)

108 These Frankfurt School scholars, having escaped a nightmare world of anti-Semitism and hatred, focused their work on issues of race, on how media spreads hate, and on how propaganda works against vulnerable groups.

And now we have critical race theory. How any Jews could support critical race theory is a question for the ages, since with a minor deflection from whites in general its virulence could be directed toward them. Madness.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 12:26 PM (mAKQ6)

109 > Why is France always portrayed as a nation of surrendering pussies?

Exception: the French are really, really good at killing people when the opponent is also French.
Reign of Terror, St. Bartholomew Day's Massacre, Albigensian Crusade...

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 30, 2019 12:26 PM (oQp6r)

110 65 59 I keep having weird reams about plane crashes, but the thing is, I'm never on them. I witness them--and it's always on take-off or landing. And one more thing, the planes are always odd-looking.

What the fuck does this mean?

Posted by: JoeF. at November 30, 2019 12:01 PM (CqE5x)

Too much cable news. Look closely, and one of the planes will have "CNN" written on it, the other will be "MSNBC".

but odd looking - well i hope they're not shaped like giant sex toys, because then you might have other issues that we really don't want to talk about.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 30, 2019 12:27 PM (Kpl3J)

111 Consider further that Roosevelt turned away ships
full of German Jewish refugees, but allowed in these shitheads, who
immediately set up shop at Columbia.

Am I the only one who suspects that American Reds pulled strings to
get these and only these shitheads into the country? And that many of
said Reds were already at Columbia?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 12:22 PM (mAKQ6)

That commie cripple may have been the worst thing to ever happen to this country. Although he has some solid competition from LBJ and Barry the fairy

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 30, 2019 12:27 PM (mPbc8)

112 Hey David J. Silverman: Leave. Donate all of your wealth to a worthy Native American entity and leave this country NOW. Or else just shut up.

Posted by: klaftern at November 30, 2019 12:27 PM (RuIsu)

113 http://bit.ly/2OZOX9G
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Top State Official Denies Quid Pro Quo: Calls Claim 'Hypothetical,'

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 30, 2019 12:28 PM (BqBId)

114 talks about how when he was a kid in Scotland the
Catholic and the Protestant kids would get into vicious gang fights and scream religious slurs at each other, but nowadays because of the hate speech legislation, the Catholic and Protestant kids get into vicious gang fights and don't say anything at each other at all.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 30, 2019 12:09 PM (1glZx)

But ... but ... diversity is a strength!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 12:28 PM (mAKQ6)

115 Heh Rodrigo. Local FNM "Denver has seen a rise in anti-semitism or hate crimes, while they fell across the country, local leaders wonder why" Me to TV and dad "probably because of sanctuary city" MS-13 are not paragons of diversity.

Posted by: PaleRider is simply irredeemable at November 30, 2019 12:28 PM (n4y+3)

116 I worked with a Catholic guy who was from Glasgow. He said the Celts soccer team was the Catholic team and the Rangers was the Protestant team and things could get ugly over those games.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 30, 2019 12:25 PM (mPbc

Also, since there are few native Scots who are Catholic. most of the Catholics in Scotland are from second or third generation Irish immigrant families, so there's that thrown into the mix....

Posted by: JoeF. at November 30, 2019 12:28 PM (CqE5x)

117 Lots of interesting questions to be asked about how and why we ended up with the mess that is 2019.

Communication is a vast topic, and one that cannot be simplified into a "the commies did it" mentality, lest we find ourselves unable to argue effectively against the tide.

One simple truth is, there IS a vast "conspiracy" of effort to control how people in the culture operate, based on the language we use.

Now, I happen to think it's wrong to focus on the various "privilege" classes, and pretend like it would all be better if the Woke crowd was able to take over.

That's just silly.

But they ain't wrong in identifying the error of having a select few who seem to control how we speak, what we say, and who we're allowed to say it to, in all our dealings. Just so happens those select few occupy positions of power in... well, we know where they are. We talk about it here every day.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2019 12:28 PM (hku12)

118 talks about how when he was a kid in Scotland the
Catholic and the Protestant kids would get into vicious gang fights and scream religious slurs at each other, but nowadays because of the hate speech legislation, the Catholic and Protestant kids get into vicious gang fights and don't say anything at each other at all.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 30, 2019 12:09 PM (1glZx)

But ... but ... diversity is a strength!
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 12:28 PM (mAKQ6)

Kind of amazing that Catholic vs Protestant is still a thing in 2019.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 30, 2019 12:29 PM (CqE5x)

119 "Native American past and present tend to make white people uncomfortable because they turn patriotic histories and heroes inside out and loosen claims on morality..."

Chief Seattle was a slave holder.

Posted by: Diogenes at November 30, 2019 12:29 PM (axyOa)

120 thanksgiving dinner leftovers:

turkey --- turkey sandwiches

mashed potatoes --- hashed browns

michael bloomberg --- toast

Posted by: mjc at November 30, 2019 12:29 PM (Pg+x7)

121 Who is Buck Throckmorton? I'm guessing its a blognic, but are we supposed to know who it is?

Posted by: squeakywheel at November 30, 2019 12:29 PM (C+rDW)

122 http://bit.ly/2ssi0Lf
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Brazilian President Bolsonaro Accuses Actor DeCaprio of Paying to Burn Amazon - After 5 NGO Operatives Arrested on Arson Charges

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 30, 2019 12:29 PM (BqBId)

123 buck throckmorton: wasp porn star

Posted by: mjc at November 30, 2019 12:30 PM (Pg+x7)

124 > Chief Seattle was a slave holder.

The Tlingit of Southeast Alaska were royally pissed when the United States bought Alaska from Russia and proceeded to free all their slaves.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 30, 2019 12:30 PM (oQp6r)

125 Part of the "etc." that's worth mentioning is Algeria's struggle for independence. They basically blew stuff up until France decided is wasn't worth the hassle. Any wonder that terrorists now consider France a great target?

There's also Dien Bien Phu but that a whole other story.
Posted by: FireHorse at November 30, 2019 12:23 PM (EiOpn)

Yep. I thought about those, but drew the comment to a close.

Still, when you've beaten by Haiti AND Mexico, you know the matters militaire are not your strong suit.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 12:30 PM (mAKQ6)

126 And now we have critical race theory. How any Jews could support critical race theory is a question for the ages, since with a minor deflection from whites in general its virulence could be directed toward them. Madness.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 12:26 PM (mAKQ6)

Well, the Frankfurt School guys were Communist first, so that explains it

Posted by: JoeF. at November 30, 2019 12:31 PM (CqE5x)

127 Anyhoo, after my rant, I'm just going to say this: The commies are ascendant, where they are, because they're not 100% wrong about everything.

It's easy to dismiss them as if they are, but we do so at our peril.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2019 12:31 PM (hku12)

128 Also, since there are few native Scots who are
Catholic. most of the Catholics in Scotland are from second or third
generation Irish immigrant families, so there's that thrown into the
mix....

Posted by: JoeF. at November 30, 2019 12:28 PM (CqE5x)

He was Scottish but he said since a lot Americans can't really tell the difference in an accent he would tell people he was Irish when he was drunk and Scottish when sober.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 30, 2019 12:32 PM (mPbc8)

129 It's a good thing that my modern-day fawning sycophants don't realize what a dangerous snake in the grass I truly was.

Posted by: Zombie FDR at November 30, 2019 12:32 PM (EgshT)

130 France's currently poor military reputation is mostly the fault of their quick defeat in WWII, I'd argue, strengthened by their indifferent performance since. They didn't have that reputation before then; quite the opposite.

I pass over Crecy, Agincourt, the French and Indian War, Haiti, the
Franco-Prussian War, etc. in recounting French military disasters.
That's an awfully cherry-picked list. I note with amusement that the first two battles are tactical defeats plucked out of war they won (and in which they won a number of battlefield victories to match those two). The English get a massive PR boost in the American national consciousness in this regard just because we can easily read their side of things... and because Shakespeare was fantastic propagandist in addition to his other strengths.

Posted by: Directrix Gazer at November 30, 2019 12:32 PM (W/L2T)

131 Kind of amazing that Catholic vs Protestant is still a thing in 2019.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 30, 2019 12:29 PM (CqE5x)

Cross-town rivals - same thing.

We just saw Ole Miss vs. Miss. State, Army v. Navy, USC v. UCLA, Stanford v. Berkeley, and today Alabama v. Auburn.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 12:32 PM (mAKQ6)

132 Well, that was properly formatted when I hit post. Accursed .mu.nu elves.

Posted by: Directrix Gazer at November 30, 2019 12:33 PM (W/L2T)

133 "Cross"-town rivals - same thing.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 30, 2019 12:33 PM (CqE5x)

134 Chief Seattle bought himself some top of the line Indulgences. Leave him be.

Posted by: klaftern at November 30, 2019 12:34 PM (RuIsu)

135 Mostly bemused while dreaming, and "Wtf?" upon waking up.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 30, 2019 12:25 PM (CqE5x)

so, no big deal then

Posted by: vmom's in the kitchen at November 30, 2019 12:34 PM (G546f)

136 http://bit.ly/2LaK5NJ
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EXCLUSIVE: THEY FOUND SOMETHING! After US Attorney Durham Visited Rome Obama's Former CIA Director Brennan's Security Clearance Was Once Again Questioned

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 30, 2019 12:35 PM (BqBId)

137 Cross-town rivals - same thing.

We just saw Ole Miss vs. Miss. State, Army v. Navy, USC v. UCLA, Stanford v. Berkeley, and today Alabama v. Auburn.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 12:32 PM (mAKQ6)

I
worked with a guy from Manchester and talking to him about the
Cubs/White Sox rivalry in Chicago he said nothing in the States compares
to the soccer rivalries like Man City and Man United.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 30, 2019 12:35 PM (mPbc8)

138 Has anyone considered the Marxist perspective of Marxism? Hear me out --

If communist doctrine originates from those who control the means to produce and deliver the messages (schools and mass media) then would it be justified -- nay, necessary! -- to overthrow these institutions?

Only thing to lose is your chains. Just sayin'.

Posted by: FireHorse at November 30, 2019 12:36 PM (EiOpn)

139 In favor of the French, we should not forget that Napoleon kicked all of Europe's collective asses in a relatively short period of time, and the English were only able to drive him out because he overextended himself so badly with the Russian debacle.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 30, 2019 12:36 PM (Kpl3J)

140 Also, since there are few native Scots who are
Catholic. most of the Catholics in Scotland are from second or third
generation Irish immigrant families, so there's that thrown into the
mix....

Posted by: JoeF. at November 30, 2019 12:28 PM (CqE5x

My Glasgow born grandmother insisted she was Scottish, despite having an Irish name. And Irish born parents.

Posted by: 3rf \Fleet Radioman who didn't strip the padding from a message from CINCPAC to COM3FLT at November 30, 2019 12:37 PM (qyH+l)

141 I pass over Crecy, Agincourt, the French and Indian War, Haiti, the Franco-Prussian War, etc. in recounting French military disasters.

That's an awfully cherry-picked list. I note with amusement that the first two battles are tactical defeats plucked out of war they won (and in which they won a number of battlefield victories to match those two).

It is, and it isn't. The French should have won Crecy and Agincourt, as they had an enormous numerical and home field advantage, but they got their butts kicked. The won ultimately in the sense of not losing; they successfully fought off an invading army.

Now explain away Haiti, Mexico, the Franco-Prussian War, WWI (which they came within an RCH of losing in the early fighting -Miracle of the Marne - and suffered an army mutiny, all in a war they were itching for, for "revanche" for the Franco-Prussian War. Oops.), and WWII (the French Army, by FAR the largest and best equipped in Europe, folded in a few weeks once the "phony war" went hot).

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 12:38 PM (mAKQ6)

142 "in short a cultural revolution like the Chinese nearly destroyed
themselves with. It ignores cultures as irrelevant social constructs
that can be modified at will, and relies on success through . . . um . .
. Triumph of that will, I suppose." kindltot

this China expert says Mao is not popular among the more educated in China, and sees a further decline of China. He also noted Nixon and Kissinger were "played" by China, and while they had hopes they could play China and/or Russia as their favorite (to keep them at odds with each other) ... it was all a total failure. But he sees Xi's China collapsing (like USSR), then maybe better things.
youtube link to Epoch Times interview

https://tinyurl.com/vpjj74d

The current moves by Trump to decouple from China are important, yet WallStreet still advocates FOR (their profits from) China. We may prevail, but even our US economy is still floated on MMT (magic money tree) ... lots of balls in the air. Obama loved him some Mao, and Dems today agree, so does Google, and Elon Musk.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 30, 2019 12:38 PM (Cus5s)

143 In favor of the French, we should not forget that Napoleon kicked all of Europe's collective asses in a relatively short period of time, and the English were only able to drive him out because he overextended himself so badly with the Russian debacle.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 30, 2019 12:36 PM (Kpl3J)

Also, we owe a debt to the French Navy during our own revolution...

Posted by: JoeF. at November 30, 2019 12:38 PM (CqE5x)

144 Heh heh heh

Hey Baby. Wanna see my tusk?

Posted by: Diogenes at November 30, 2019 12:38 PM (axyOa)

145 In favor of the French, we should not forget that Napoleon kicked all of Europe's collective asses in a relatively short period of time, and the English were only able to drive him out because he overextended himself so badly with the Russian debacle.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 30, 2019 12:36 PM (Kpl3J)

The British, and the Prussians, under Blucher. Still, it wasn't Arthur Wellesley ended up on St. Helena, was it?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 12:39 PM (mAKQ6)

146 In other news, Brennan stops by the Obama Compound, Mooch fixes him some ham and eggs.

Posted by: klaftern at November 30, 2019 12:41 PM (RuIsu)

147 Also, we owe a debt to the French Navy during our own revolution...
Posted by: JoeF. at November 30, 2019 12:38 PM (CqE5x)

True, but that wasn't to help us; it was to stick a thumb in Britain's eye to get back for defeating them earlier.

Shortly after the Revolution we almost went to war with the French over their actions at sea.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 12:41 PM (mAKQ6)

148 @143 And the thousands of French regulars that fought alongside the Continental Army in the closing campaign of the war.

Posted by: Directrix Gazer at November 30, 2019 12:42 PM (W/L2T)

149 I worked with a guy from Manchester and talking to him about the Cubs/White Sox rivalry in Chicago he said nothing in the States compares to the soccer rivalries like Man City and Man United.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 30, 2019 12:35 PM (mPbc

We have cross-town rivalries ("go team!") but not bloody gang fights (with Stanley knives) over them.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 12:43 PM (mAKQ6)

150 Sean Connery was Irish on his Catholic fathers side

Posted by: Ignoramus at November 30, 2019 12:45 PM (C5DlE)

151 True, but that wasn't to help us; it was to stick a thumb in Britain's eye to get back for defeating them earlier.

Not to belabor the point, but does this mean that none of the countries we intervened in during the Cold War to prevent them from going Communist should be thankful to us, because we did it primarily to serve our own interests? How about the countries we liberated in WWII?

Posted by: Directrix Gazer at November 30, 2019 12:45 PM (W/L2T)

152 In other news, Brennan stops by the Obama Compound, Mooch fixes him some ~~ham~~ wagyu steak and eggs.

Ham is haram...

Posted by: JQ at November 30, 2019 12:45 PM (gP/Z3)

153 Brazilian President Bolsonaro Accuses Actor DeCaprio of Paying to Burn Amazon - After 5 NGO Operatives Arrested on Arson Charges
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 30, 2019 12:29 PM (BqBId)

Bolsonaro is saying that fires were set to provide documentation that the Amazons are burning, and these pictures and footage were sold to some NGO's for their donation drives and public campaigns by the NGO's to combat the crisis of Amazonian fires and to attack Bolsonaro's government for being negligent about the fires.

He is claiming straight up fraud, like a fake hate crime to set a pretext for raising money and pushing a political agenda.

DeCaprio is a major funder and public face in caring about the rainforests industry. The chances are that he is an idiot, but he deserves the meatgrinder as much as anyone.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 30, 2019 12:45 PM (1glZx)

154 It's a good thing that my modern-day fawning sycophants don't realize what a dangerous snake in the grass I truly was.
Posted by: Zombie FDR at November 30, 2019 12:32 PM (EgshT)

Best I can gather, FDR wasn't in all ways a shrewd politician. He was duped by the commies, because he was in some ways as clueless about what was happening around him as Bobama.

However, FDR was extraordinarily shrewd when it came to handling people, so he got the job, knowing almost nothing about how Washington operates, and next to nothing of the geopolitical happenings of his time. But when he was healthy enough, he could go toe to toe (not literally) with Uncle Joe, and hold his own.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2019 12:46 PM (hku12)

155 Napoleon just had a good run

Posted by: Skip at November 30, 2019 12:46 PM (ZCEU2)

156 So how do you get italics around here? Is there a special membership package I need to buy?

Posted by: Directrix Gazer at November 30, 2019 12:47 PM (W/L2T)

157 The Franco-Prussian war would be a subject of endless comedy if it wasn't the source of the Great Tragedy 40 years later. It prompted Marx's famous quote that "History does indeed repeat - first as Tragedy, then as Farce." He was referring to Napoleon, and to the sad Emperor Louis Napoleon, who so desperately wanted to be seen as Just As Good as his namesake.

Louis Napoleon jumped into the Franco Prussian War to prove that He could be a General, Too, even though he was totally incompetent. It's the only war I can think of where it ended with one side (Prussia) actually capturing the Head of State and most of his top generals on the battlefield, and throwing them in prison. (Louis Napoleon had gone out to the front to show them how great he was)

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 30, 2019 12:47 PM (Kpl3J)

158
92 The closest I have been to Scotland was Plymouth, MA. I saw the rock and I saw a horseshoe crab.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 30, 2019 12:17 PM (1glZx)

But did you visit the Village Braider ?

Posted by: REDACTED at November 30, 2019 12:48 PM (rpxSz)

159 Take out the spaces [ I ] and [ / I ] turn them on and off.

Posted by: FireHorse at November 30, 2019 12:48 PM (EiOpn)

160 16 For some reason I had it stuck in my head (SWIDT?) that a Narwhal had a 'horn-like' appendage protruding from their head rather than an exceedingly long tusk. I blame my public school education.

I am going to have to reexamine all my previously held prejudices about narwhals, and look at them afresh. .
Posted by: Muldoon at November 30, 2019 11:30 AM (m45I2)

Time for a professional conference with NGU???

Today is boresight and zero day. My back is not up to opening day of deer season tomorrow, but I am hoping to fell up to in on 21 Dec.

Grandson the Elder wants to go hunting, so I do have that additional motivation. Getting a youth hand-me-down shotgun for him to use from my B-I-L. It was GTsE's cousin's (once removed) when he was a lad.

Need to run to hit the ATM and get some ammo.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at November 30, 2019 12:48 PM (di1hb)

161 only studies and liberal arts consider Marx special.

Economists consider him to be a relic of the Ricardian school of economics, and obsolete during his own lifetime due to the Marginalist revolution.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 30, 2019 12:48 PM (1glZx)

162 Say what you will about the man, but Napoleon makes a damn fine pastry.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 30, 2019 12:49 PM (dQ1sa)

163 Brazilian President Bolsonaro Accuses Actor DeCaprio of Paying to Burn Amazon -

Not sure I'm not for this

Posted by: Skip at November 30, 2019 12:50 PM (ZCEU2)

164 162 and brandy

Posted by: Skip at November 30, 2019 12:51 PM (ZCEU2)

165 In favor of the French, we should not forget that Napoleon kicked all of Europe's collective asses in a relatively short period of time, and the English were only able to drive him out because he overextended himself so badly with the Russian debacle.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 30, 2019 12:36 PM (Kpl3J)

Did England ever win a "European" war where they didn't drag willing and unwilling allies onto their side?

A nation of shopkeepers is what Napoleon supposedly called them.

They still beat his ass though.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 30, 2019 12:51 PM (Z+IKu)

166 156 there is a little trick adding a few characters but don't remember it

Posted by: Skip at November 30, 2019 12:52 PM (ZCEU2)

167 only studies and liberal arts consider Marx special.
----------------------------
Economists consider him to be a relic of the Ricardian school of economics, and obsolete during his own lifetime due to the Marginalist revolution.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 30, 2019 12:48 PM (1glZx)

Marx used 20 year old information to condemn conditions in German industry, and by the time he published, they had already remedied much of the stuff Marx complained about.

Capitalists, acting in their own self-interest, improved worker conditions. For profit.

Marx wasn't just wrong, he couldn't have been more wrong if he tried.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2019 12:53 PM (hku12)

168 Thanks for the tag syntax, Firehorse.
only studies and liberal arts consider Marx special.

Economists
consider him to be a relic of the Ricardian school of economics, and
obsolete during his own lifetime due to the Marginalist revolution.

Spot on. It's amazing how anyone still takes him seriously, or any theory meaningfully derived from his work. But then again I guess there are very few self-ascribed Marxists who actually read the Manifesto or Das Kapital these days.

Posted by: Directrix Gazer at November 30, 2019 12:53 PM (W/L2T)

169 Did England ever win a "European" war where they didn't drag willing and unwilling allies onto their side?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 30, 2019 12:51 PM (Z+IKu)

Yep, the "perfidious Albion" is a thing. The Brits are responsible for a lot of the trouble today in the Middle East. They promised Palestine both to the Arabs, and to the Zionists (Balfour Declaration), if each group would fight for them. After the war, each group presented its IOU, and was pissed to find the other group thought that THEY had rights there instead.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 12:55 PM (mAKQ6)

170 Little known is during the 7 years war while Frederick held off the Russians and Austrians and French in the beginning it was the British who kept the French at bay from the middle of the war onward.

Posted by: Skip at November 30, 2019 12:56 PM (ZCEU2)

171 Spot on. It's amazing how anyone still takes him seriously, or any theory meaningfully derived from his work. But then again I guess there are very few self-ascribed Marxists who actually read the Manifesto or Das Kapital these days.
Posted by: Directrix Gazer at November 30, 2019 12:53 PM (W/L2T)

The "labor theory of value" did it for me. I read that in college, and laughed. How could take it seriously? It's obviously not true. And yet it is the engine for all of Marx's analysis. It's like basing modern chemistry on the notion of phlogiston.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 12:56 PM (mAKQ6)

172 Marxism sells a little better to underfed, malnourished and inbred populations. IQ's under 85 are ideal.

Posted by: klaftern at November 30, 2019 12:57 PM (RuIsu)

173 Spot on. It's amazing how anyone still takes him seriously, or any theory meaningfully derived from his work. But then again I guess there are very few self-ascribed Marxists who actually read the Manifesto or Das Kapital these days.
Posted by: Directrix Gazer at November 30, 2019 12:53 PM (W/L2T)

Right, I don't think today's commies view Marx as anything more than a relic. He hated capitalists, they hate capitalists. That's about as far as it goes.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2019 12:57 PM (hku12)

174 What happened to the football threads?

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at November 30, 2019 12:57 PM (gDBF4)

175 The French did not lose to the Haitians. The Haitians in facing a genocidal French invasion to place the entire colony back into slavery fought the French to a stalemate, and Yellow Fever and Malaria defeated them.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 30, 2019 12:58 PM (1glZx)

176 What happened to the football threads?
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at November 30, 2019 12:57 PM (gDBF4)

They have been moved to the pet thread I think.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 30, 2019 12:58 PM (Z+IKu)

177 The Islamic stabby fellow in London was born in the UK. I guess assimilation didn't work out well for him. Happily for us, though, it will work FAR better in Minneapolis! /s

Posted by: mnw at November 30, 2019 12:58 PM (Cssks)

178 "What happened to the football threads?"

The NFL happened.

Posted by: navybrat, mostly lurking at November 30, 2019 12:58 PM (w7KSn)

179 It's like basing modern chemistry on the notion of phlogiston.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 12:56 PM (mAKQ6)

Alchemy still rules!

Posted by: Merlin at November 30, 2019 12:58 PM (dQ1sa)

180 Marx wasn't just wrong, he couldn't have been more wrong if he tried.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2019 12:53 PM (hku12)

Marx's predictions were absolutely wrong, as you point out. Lenin tried to save Marx's reputation by asserting that the capitalist countries had exported their problems to what is now called the Third World, and that that was how they'd vitiated those predictions.

Thus was Marxist-Leninism born.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 12:58 PM (mAKQ6)

181 What happened to the football threads?
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at November 30, 2019 12:57 PM (gDBF4)

Kapernick. College football was collateral damage.

Posted by: DR.WTF at November 30, 2019 12:58 PM (aS1PU)

182 Burt TC - and the new Marxists today ( Bernie and Lieawatha)

Posted by: Skip at November 30, 2019 12:58 PM (ZCEU2)

183 It's like basing modern chemistry on the notion of phlogiston.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 12:56 PM (mAKQ6)

Exactly.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2019 12:58 PM (hku12)

184 156 So how do you get italics around here? Is there a special membership package I need to buy?
Posted by: Directrix Gazer at November 30, 2019 12:47 PM (W/L2T)

you can get the deluxe upgrade here

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Posted by: REDACTED at November 30, 2019 12:58 PM (rpxSz)

185 DeCaprio is a major funder and public face in caring
about the rainforests industry. The chances are that he is an idiot,
but he deserves the meatgrinder as much as anyone.

Posted by: Kindltot

Why so mealy-mouthed? It's approaching metaphysical certainty that he's an idiot.

Posted by: pep at November 30, 2019 12:59 PM (T6t7i)

186 178 "What happened to the football threads?"

got Kaperdicked

Posted by: REDACTED at November 30, 2019 01:00 PM (rpxSz)

187 Why was tcm playing pink panther movies on Thanksgiving?

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at November 30, 2019 01:00 PM (gDBF4)

188 What happened to the football threads?
Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at November 30, 2019 12:57 PM (gDBF4)

Somebody peed on them.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2019 01:00 PM (hku12)

189 Right, I don't think today's commies view Marx as anything more than a relic. He hated capitalists, they hate capitalists. That's about as far as it goes.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2019 12:57 PM (hku12)

Read Mein Kampf. You know who else hated capitalists, and rants over and over again about "stock-jobbers" and "high finance?"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 01:00 PM (mAKQ6)

190 Why so mealy-mouthed? It's approaching metaphysical certainty that he's an idiot.
Posted by: pep at November 30, 2019 12:59 PM (T6t7i)

Are you questioning the intellect of a high school dropout? They know things! They have so much to teach us. St. Greta of Cabbage Patch shall lead us.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 01:01 PM (mAKQ6)

191 Best I can gather, FDR wasn't in all ways a shrewd
politician. He was duped by the commies, because he was in some ways as
clueless about what was happening around him as Bobama.

However, FDR was extraordinarily shrewd when it came to handling
people, so he got the job, knowing almost nothing about how Washington
operates, and next to nothing of the geopolitical happenings of his
time. But when he was healthy enough, he could go toe to toe (not
literally) with Uncle Joe, and hold his own.

Posted by: BurtTC

I carry no brief for FDR; I think the trope about his being a second class mind is correct. However, I do wonder if he would have been as stupid and compliant with Stalin had he been healthy.

He had to know he was dying. This is another one of those infuriating episodes where a politician puts his ego and ambition above the good of the country.

Posted by: pep at November 30, 2019 01:02 PM (T6t7i)

192 So how do you get italics around here? Is there a special membership package I need to buy?
Posted by: Directrix Gazer at November 30, 2019 12:47 PM (W/L2T)

you can get the deluxe upgrade here

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send all your info and debit card
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Sign up and find out!

Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2019 01:02 PM (hku12)

193 Listen to what Bernie and Lieawatha say in their speeches, Karl would be very proud of them. Jug Ears wasn't far off the mark, he just didn't want to sound to radical.

Posted by: Skip at November 30, 2019 01:02 PM (ZCEU2)

194 Why so mealy-mouthed? It's approaching metaphysical certainty that he's an idiot.
Posted by: pep at November 30, 2019 12:59 PM (T6t7i)

Well, I am still open to the possibility that he is a swindler, a fraud, and a cynical criminal at the level of any race hustler, or crypto-marxist trying to overthrow a reformist government in favor of a legally ousted would be dictator.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 30, 2019 01:03 PM (1glZx)

195 Say what you will, "Republicans pounce" is pithier.

The Associated Press@AP
Right now, Republicans are wielding impeachment mostly as an offensive weapon, and Democrats are generally playing defense or changing the subject as 2020 congressional races rev up. It's unclear how potent the issue will be by Election Day.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 30, 2019 01:04 PM (+y/Ru)

196 Italics are something like ( not really sure) adding after your sentence

Posted by: Skip at November 30, 2019 01:04 PM (ZCEU2)

197 Right now, Republicans are wielding impeachment mostly as an offensive weapon

In other news, the U.S. Navy wields Pearl Harbor as an offensive weapon.

Posted by: pep at November 30, 2019 01:05 PM (T6t7i)

198 I did remember, its before.
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Posted by: Skip at November 30, 2019 01:05 PM (ZCEU2)

199 Best I can gather, FDR wasn't in all ways a shrewd
politician. He was duped by the commies, because he was in some ways as clueless about what was happening around him as Bobama.

However, FDR was extraordinarily shrewd when it came to handling people, so he got the job, knowing almost nothing about how Washington operates, and next to nothing of the geopolitical happenings of his
time. But when he was healthy enough, he could go toe to toe (not literally) with Uncle Joe, and hold his own.

Posted by: BurtTC

I carry no brief for FDR; I think the trope about his being a second class mind is correct. However, I do wonder if he would have been as stupid and compliant with Stalin had he been healthy.

He had to know he was dying. This is another one of those infuriating episodes where a politician puts his ego and ambition above the good of the country.
Posted by: pep at November 30, 2019 01:02 PM (T6t7i)

Yeah, the biggest sin FDR committed was thinking he was going to live forever, and finding out too late that he wasn't.

He was surrounded by sharks, not just the likes of Stalin, but within his own administration, and when he was too ill to control who had access to what, they ran wild inside the White House.

So when Truman took the office, it was like sending a baby into a den of jackals.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2019 01:06 PM (hku12)

200 Munkee is very funny

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at November 30, 2019 01:06 PM (IcYjY)

201 If you study Mass communications are you a papist?

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 30, 2019 01:06 PM (LYheq)

202
SFW

https://tinyurl.com/sjyeetd

Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at November 30, 2019 01:06 PM (tWgX/)

203 They promised Palestine both to the Arabs, and to the Zionists (Balfour Declaration), if each group would fight for them. After the war, each group presented its IOU, and was pissed to find the other group thought that THEY had rights there instead.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 12:55 PM (mAKQ6)

If one examines the border line between Jordan and Saudi Arabia, there's a strange deviation that's always been referred to as "Winston's Hiccup". The story goes that as Colonial Secretary in 1921, he drew this portion of the map during a boisterous liquid lunch, and his hand jerked when he hiccuped. Oh even if it isn't true, it should be, and it's not too far off from how all the current borders in the region were set.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 30, 2019 01:06 PM (Kpl3J)

204 >>The Associated Press@AP
Right now, Republicans are wielding impeachment mostly as an offensive weapon, and Democrats are generally playing defense or changing the subject as 2020 congressional races rev up. It's unclear how potent the issue will be by Election Day.

You mean impeachment is backfiring on the left?

No, really?

Posted by: JackStraw at November 30, 2019 01:07 PM (ZLI7S)

205 FDR was so dumb he actually dug on Oak Island before it was a dumb TV show.

Dumb and inbred was no way to go thru life, Delano.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 30, 2019 01:07 PM (Z+IKu)

206 [i]pardon my testing something here.

Posted by: mindful webworker - bracketology at November 30, 2019 01:07 PM (WyqH5)

207 Texas is an open tusk carry state.

Posted by: rhennigantx at November 30, 2019 01:07 PM (LYheq)

208 He had to know he was dying. This is another one of those infuriating episodes where a politician puts his ego and ambition above the good of the country.
Posted by: pep at November 30, 2019 01:02 PM (T6t7i)

Leave the Notorious RBG out of this.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 01:07 PM (mAKQ6)

209 Say what you will, "Republicans pounce" is pithier.

The Associated Press@AP
Right now, Republicans are wielding impeachment mostly as an offensive weapon, and Democrats are generally playing defense or changing the subject as 2020 congressional races rev up. It's unclear how potent the issue will be by Election Day.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 30, 2019 01:04 PM (+y/Ru)

Hey cause, come over here. I'd like you to meet my friend, effect.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2019 01:07 PM (hku12)

210 I've heard the Frankfurt School was predated by other similar efforts, but the general intent of undermining American strengths via attacks on the family (and other parts of Christian culture that make us united) were quite real and effective.

Books like The Naked Communist or Orwell's exposure of such propaganda techniques reveal the true efforts of the Soviets especially, but of the Chinese and other communist efforts to undermine and defeat by covert infiltration, especially seen in "the march through our institutions".

Whether "Marxism" was real theory or not, does not matter that much. The point was the infiltration of a strong America (and or other Western Liberty minded nations). As our current DeepState reveals ... "they" were/are quite effective. These globalists are still running the coup from inside, funded by taxpayers directly, or via tax sheltered foundations, or the mob directly.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 30, 2019 01:09 PM (Cus5s)

211 Buttplug went deer huntin

Looking through a small hole in a small space, on your knees

no problem

Posted by: REDACTED at November 30, 2019 01:09 PM (rpxSz)

212 FDR May have been a second class mind but we were able to get the Soviet Union to consume 28M of there population to kill 4.5M Germans at a cost of 405K Americans.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 30, 2019 01:09 PM (QZCjk)

213 excuse bigger testes

[i]italics[/i]
[b]bold[/b]
[u]underline[/u]
[s]~~strike~~[/s]

Posted by: mindful webworker - pixyspeak laboratories at November 30, 2019 01:10 PM (WyqH5)

214 212
FDR May have been a second class mind but we were able to get the Soviet
Union to consume 28M of there population to kill 4.5M Germans at a cost
of 405K Americans.

Posted by: Puddin Head

How exactly did we engineer this feat?

Posted by: pep at November 30, 2019 01:11 PM (T6t7i)

215 207 But question is now that it known how about California and NewYorkJersey ?

Posted by: Skip at November 30, 2019 01:11 PM (ZCEU2)

216 207 Texas is an open tusk carry state.
Posted by: rhennigantx at November 30, 2019 01:07 PM (LYheq)

Just Rumors

Posted by: REDACTED at November 30, 2019 01:12 PM (rpxSz)

217 Leave the Notorious RBG out of this.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

What can I say? Sometimes it just all works out.

Posted by: pep at November 30, 2019 01:12 PM (T6t7i)

218 I carry no brief for FDR; I think the trope about his being a second class mind is correct.

He got "gentleman's C's" at Harvard, i.e., got rewarded for good attendance. Maybe he was bright but didn't apply himself, but maybe he apply himself, and just wasn't all that bright.

His Administration was riddled with Communists. Harry Dexter White, who negotiated on our behalf at Bretton Woods, was a Soviet asset, as was Alger Hiss. FDR's VP, Henry Wallace, was such a Communist sympathizer that even FDR realized it, and mercifully dropped him in favor of Truman. Otherwise we would've had our first commie President long before Obama.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 01:12 PM (mAKQ6)

219 You mean impeachment is backfiring on the left?

No, really?

-
The damn Republicans are scattering rakes about for the Donks to step on.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 30, 2019 01:12 PM (+y/Ru)

220 I carry no brief for FDR; I think the trope about his being a second class mind is correct. However, I do wonder if he would have been as stupid and compliant with Stalin had he been healthy.

He had to know he was dying. This is another one of those infuriating episodes where a politician puts his ego and ambition above the good of the country.
Posted by: pep at November 30, 2019 01:02 PM (T6t7i)

I have read some good pieces which stated that not only did FDR know he was dying, at the time of his re-election c campaign in November, 1944, all of the power brokers in the Dem Party knew he was dying, as did his top aides. But they thought the War was at far too crucial a juncture to switch leaders, and they hoped he could hang on till it was over. (like leftists hopes for RBG today)

But THIS is why they dumped Communist Sympathizer Henry Wallace as Veep and put Harry Truman in his place. Truman was *supposed* to be a clueless party hack who would only do what he was told after FDR died - but that didn't really work out the way the people who put him in power thought it would. Real point is, when FDR died it was presented as a "Shock" to the American Public, but everyone in power had known it was coming for a long time. And they all certainly knew he was dying when he was sent to Yalta in 1945.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 30, 2019 01:13 PM (Kpl3J)

221 Timing

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 30, 2019 01:13 PM (QZCjk)

222
Never bring a knife to a narwhal fight.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 30, 2019 01:13 PM (9dTMN)

223 FDR May have been a second class mind but we were able to get the Soviet Union to consume 28M of there population to kill 4.5M Germans at a cost of 405K Americans.
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 30, 2019 01:09 PM (QZCjk)

Churchill basically had to gently nudge FDR around, like an invalid in a wheel chair, because he knew FDR had a pit bull puppy, that when it got bigger was going to devour the Germans and the Japs like... like a hungry pit bull.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2019 01:14 PM (hku12)

224 How exactly did we engineer this feat?
Posted by: pep at November 30, 2019 01:11 PM (T6t7i)

Easy. Just sit on our hands in England, getting ourselves sorted out, while the Soviets battled tong and hammer day after day.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 01:14 PM (mAKQ6)

225 But they thought the War was at far too crucial a juncture to switch
leaders, and they hoped he could hang on till it was over. (like
leftists hopes for RBG today)

Yup, the indispensable man. Apparently, Truman was unaware of the atom bomb until he was sworn in.

Posted by: pep at November 30, 2019 01:14 PM (T6t7i)

226 I got an RNC call about an hour ago ... her rap was all about "the senate is the only thing preventing impeachment of Trump". Now that I think of it, I think she said " a three vote majority is the only thing ...", which doesn't acknowledge that it takes 67 votes ... but whatever ... yeah, they are fundraising on impeachment ... no idea what Dems are saying to fund raise.

Posted by: illiniwek at November 30, 2019 01:15 PM (Cus5s)

227 TheQuietMan #111: That commie cripple may have been the worst thing to ever happen to this country. Although he has some solid competition from LBJ and Barry the fairy

Top 5, then?

Posted by: Jimmy "brain bleed" Cahter, nukuloor peanut farmer at November 30, 2019 01:16 PM (WyqH5)

228 podcast from Cato's website

How Mao Broke China (with Frank Dicotter)

It discusses the Cultural Revolution and what it did to China, and has the added joy of listening to a well spoken, erudite scholar verbally bitch-slapping a journalist for being a ignorant, unlearned, doctrinaire, neo-liberal common-tater.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/y6ta858j

Posted by: Kindltot at November 30, 2019 01:16 PM (1glZx)

229 Whether "Marxism" was real theory or not, does not matter that much. The point was the infiltration of a strong America (and or other Western Liberty minded nations).

America is the Great Satan to the Reds as well as the Muzzies because we are the bulwark against Communism on this planet, bar none.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 01:16 PM (mAKQ6)

230
So how do you get italics around here? Is there a special membership package I need to buy?
Posted by: Directrix Gazer

======

It's a lot of typing to do. I just use ALL-CAPS or *asterisks*

Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 30, 2019 01:17 PM (oGNNA)

231 Nood - rice.

Posted by: Tonypete at November 30, 2019 01:17 PM (Y4EXg)

232 NOOD gardening thread, btw
For all your December gardening needs, I guess

http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=384509

Posted by: mindful webworker - click for webworks at November 30, 2019 01:17 PM (WyqH5)

233 http://bit.ly/37UbQ76
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Former NFL Player, Congressional Candidate Calls Kaepernick 'A National Disgrace' | Breitbart
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Former Pittsburgh Steeler, wasn't much of a player for a high round pick, But joined the Mrines

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 30, 2019 01:18 PM (BqBId)

234 Yup, the indispensable man. Apparently, Truman was unaware of the atom bomb until he was sworn in.
Posted by: pep at November 30, 2019 01:14 PM (T6t7i)

The irony is that they probably didn't tell Henry Wallace about it, for fear it would leak to the Soviets, although thanks to the Rosenbergs, Morton Sobel, David Greenglass, and perhaps Robert Oppenheimer, the Soviets already knew all about it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 01:18 PM (mAKQ6)

235 224
How exactly did we engineer this feat?

Posted by: pep at November 30, 2019 01:11 PM (T6t7i)

Easy. Just sit on our hands in England, getting ourselves sorted out, while the Soviets battled tong and hammer day after day.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Hitler declared war on us after Pearl Harbor. We were unprepared, and needed the time to spool up our massive economic potential and train the troops. I wouldn't call that sitting on our hands.

The Soviets lost all those people because they too (well, Stalin) behaved incredibly stupidly before Hitler invaded. They would always have lost a buttload, but far fewer than actually died. That was in no way our doing.

Posted by: pep at November 30, 2019 01:19 PM (T6t7i)

236 I have read some good pieces which stated that not only did FDR know he was dying, at the time of his re-election c campaign in November, 1944, all of the power brokers in the Dem Party knew he was dying, as did his top aides. But they thought the War was at far too crucial a juncture to switch leaders, and they hoped he could hang on till it was over. (like leftists hopes for RBG today)

But THIS is why they dumped Communist Sympathizer Henry Wallace as Veep and put Harry Truman in his place. Truman was *supposed* to be a clueless party hack who would only do what he was told after FDR died - but that didn't really work out the way the people who put him in power thought it would. Real point is, when FDR died it was presented as a "Shock" to the American Public, but everyone in power had known it was coming for a long time. And they all certainly knew he was dying when he was sent to Yalta in 1945.
Posted by: Tom Servo at November 30, 2019 01:13 PM (Kpl3J)

The story goes, when the '44 convention was going on, there was all sorts of wrangling happening, to determine who was going to be on the ticket with FDR. Everyone in the knew, knew he wasn't going to be around in '48, so they knew the Veep would be Prez at some point.

So... Truman being a non-entity of sorts, when the powers that be approached Harry, Harry wasn't all that keen on taking the job. So they deliberately put FDR on the phone, supposedly without him knowing Truman was in the room, and FDR proceeded to throw a tantrum with all present, telling them he wanted Truman, and that was it, and he wasn't going to take any guff from the assembled Party nincompoops who were hellbent on this guy or that guy or whomever.

Truman was shocked and humbled, and of course accepted the role. Not having a clue that he was just played by Roosevelt, a master manipulator of people.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2019 01:20 PM (hku12)

237 "a journalist for being a ignorant, unlearned, doctrinaire, neo-liberal common-tater."

This is about me, isn't it?

Posted by: Brian "T" Stetler at November 30, 2019 01:20 PM (DMUuz)

238 In other news, the U.S. Navy wields Pearl Harbor as an offensive weapon.
Posted by: pep at November 30, 2019 01:05 PM (T6t7i)

And America wields diversity as an offensive weapon.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 01:20 PM (mAKQ6)

239
FDR May have been a second class mind but we were able to get the Soviet Union to consume 28M of there population to kill 4.5M Germans at a cost of 405K Americans.

Posted by: Puddin Head at November 30, 2019 01:09 PM (QZCjk)

The Western Allies fought the war the way they could fight it and had to fight it. We made the deliberate choice to fight a material war because 1) we could produce the weapons and 2) casualties from Red Army tactics would have been politically unacceptable.

Considering the state of the US and British armies in 1939, as well as the state of the industrial infrastructure needed to produce the material to fight the war, it's an amazing story.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 30, 2019 01:20 PM (9dTMN)

240 But THIS is why they dumped Communist Sympathizer
Henry Wallace as Veep and put Harry Truman in his place. Truman was
*supposed* to be a clueless party hack who would only do what he was
told after FDR died - but that didn't really work out the way the people
who put him in power thought it would. Real point is, when FDR died
it was presented as a "Shock" to the American Public, but everyone in
power had known it was coming for a long time. And they all certainly
knew he was dying when he was sent to Yalta in 1945.

Posted by: Tom Servo at November 30, 2019 01:13 PM (Kpl3J)

I read that after the war FDR's lackies kept telling Truman to be nicer to the Russians and he replied, I'm trying but they make it so damn hard to do so. We really needed people like McCarthy to go through the government with a flamethrower to root out the commies. And I blamed that RINO shithead Ike for not backing McCarthy and other anti-communists. He was more offended at the anti-commies trying to get rid of the commies than having commies in the government.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 30, 2019 01:21 PM (IHjJr)

241 > The "labor theory of value" did it for me. I read that in college, and laughed.

I liked Heinlein's dissection of it in one of his SF novels.
1) Competent cook takes apples, flour, sugar, spices, makes decent apple pie. Value: medium.

2) Incompetent cook takes same ingredients, produces inedible mess. Value: zero.
3) Expert pastry chef takes same ingredients, produces culinary masterpiece. Value: high.
4) Idiot takes mud, human feces, and rap music, and produces a pie that is not merely inedible, but actively repugnant. Value: less than zero (you'd pay money to have it taken away).
In all four cases, the labor is roughly the same, so Marx would say the value should also be the same.

It's actually even worse than that: the incompetent cook has probably put MORE labor into his inedible mess than the expert chef spent on his delicious creation, so by Marxist standards his pie should be worth more, not less. But it ain't, and it never will be.

That pretty much wraps it up for the "labor theory of value".

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 30, 2019 01:22 PM (oQp6r)

242 The story goes, when the '44 convention was going on, there was all
sorts of wrangling happening, to determine who was going to be on the
ticket with FDR. Everyone in the knew, knew he wasn't going to be
around in '48, so they knew the Veep would be Prez at some point.

The Onion back when it was funny had a headline: Roosevelt's corpse runs for a 5th term

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 30, 2019 01:23 PM (IHjJr)

243 Hitler declared war on us after Pearl Harbor. We were unprepared, and needed the time to spool up our massive economic potential and train the troops. I wouldn't call that sitting on our hands.

I meant that in the sense of not fighting until everything was ready. The Soviets didn't have that luxury; they were in up to their eyeballs starting on June 22, 1941.

Stalin had critically weakened the Red Army through his purges, but still ...

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 01:24 PM (mAKQ6)

244
That pretty much wraps it up for the "labor theory of value".

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia

That's an excellent summary. Thanks.
BTW, did we ever figure out which particular bee had flown up Kazi's ass? I think he was a troll looking for a fight and picked you at random.

Posted by: pep at November 30, 2019 01:24 PM (T6t7i)

245 Truman was *supposed* to be a clueless party hack who would only do what he was told

Similar situation selecting Gerald Ford.

Posted by: mindful webworker - click for radical webworks at November 30, 2019 01:25 PM (WyqH5)

246 I meant that in the sense of not fighting until everything was ready.
The Soviets didn't have that luxury; they were in up to their eyeballs
starting on June 22, 1941.

Stalin had critically weakened the Red Army through his purges, but still ...

This is one of those apt topics for an alternative history. What would have happened if we had tried to do something more than North Africa earlier in the war? The Dieppe raid was not encouraging.

Posted by: pep at November 30, 2019 01:26 PM (T6t7i)

247 That pretty much wraps it up for the "labor theory of value".

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 30, 2019 01:22 PM (oQp6r)

I used to ask Reds who defended it if a pothole filled with asphalt by a teaspoon were more valuable than one filled with asphalt by a skiploader.

And more seriously, and fundamentally, when someone sees goods on a shelf, how does he have any idea how much labor went into them?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 01:26 PM (mAKQ6)

248 > I think he was a troll looking for a fight and picked you at random.

I think he just misread what I'd written and went off. It happens. He did apologize, so as far as I'm concerned that's the end of it.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 30, 2019 01:26 PM (oQp6r)

249 Maureen Dowd has an annual tradition of handing her column over to her conservative brother Kevin once a year. Kevin is ... great. And his guest op-ed is superb. I very rarely offer a link to the NYT, but this one is great, if only for the bile that will rise in the throats of the heathen as they read it (probably just the first two paragraphs). LINK: https://preview.tinyurl.com/utv9pfb

Posted by: mrp at November 30, 2019 01:26 PM (Pqytn)

250 Easy. Just sit on our hands in England, getting ourselves sorted out, while the Soviets battled tong and hammer day after day.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara

Hitler declared war on us after Pearl Harbor. We were unprepared, and needed the time to spool up our massive economic potential and train the troops. I wouldn't call that sitting on our hands.

The Soviets lost all those people because they too (well, Stalin) behaved incredibly stupidly before Hitler invaded. They would always have lost a buttload, but far fewer than actually died. That was in no way our doing.

Posted by: pep at November 30, 2019 01:19 PM (T6t7i)

Yeah, Stalin had been clamoring for a second front from his "allies," pretty much from the day after the Germans crossed into Soviet territory.

Churchill was tasked with the difficulty of coddling the Soviets, essentially lying to them about the timing of it, so they wouldn't sue for peace too soon. Once the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, I think Churchill was deeply grateful, but then had to do more dancing around the truth with FDR and Stalin both.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2019 01:27 PM (hku12)

251 http://bit.ly/33AnmRF
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Hunter Biden Claims He's In Debt, Unemployed with No Monthly Income as He Fights His Baby Mama Lunden Roberts in Child Support Lawsuit

Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 30, 2019 01:27 PM (BqBId)

252 Speaking of ukuleles and narwhals, today's featured limerick iof-the-day is unexpectedly topical.

When seeking your musical niche ...

link in nick.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 30, 2019 11:44 AM (m45I2)

Since it's Thanksgiving I would like to tell Muldoon how thankful I am for you! So many days your wit makes it impossible to not laugh out loud! And everyday I'm impressed with how fast you make jokes. I

Posted by: Chillin the most at November 30, 2019 01:28 PM (lonOK)

253
*turns on polka music*

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 30, 2019 01:29 PM (9dTMN)

254 Not having a clue that he was just played by Roosevelt, a master manipulator of people.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2019 01:20 PM (hku12)

FDR was a war criminal. But he was dead by the time Nuremberg got under way so what ya gonna do.

Poland should demand he be dug up and tried anyways.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 30, 2019 01:29 PM (Z+IKu)

255 "I very rarely offer a link to the NYT, but this one is great"posted by: mrp at November 30, 2019 01:26 PM (Pqytn)

I only got a sentence in until they blocked me.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 30, 2019 01:29 PM (4thlk)

256 One new division the modern Leftists have to use is gender and it's cross overs.

mrp- have it saved as need to get out to yard work again

Posted by: Skip at November 30, 2019 01:30 PM (ZCEU2)

257 This is one of those apt topics for an alternative history. What would have happened if we had tried to do something more than North Africa earlier in the war? The Dieppe raid was not encouraging.
Posted by: pep at November 30, 2019 01:26 PM (T6t7i)

I'm not faulting our strategy: it would have been madness to do other than we did. The fact that the Soviets and the Nazis were beating the snot out of each other all that time was just a benefit.

Same thing with capturing Berlin. Some faulted Eisenhower & Co. for not racing the Soviets there. But the Soviets lost 250,000 men there, whereas lost 400,00 in the whole war. Let the commies have at it, I say.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 01:30 PM (mAKQ6)

258 > Easy. Just sit on our hands in England, getting ourselves sorted out, while the Soviets battled tong and hammer day after day.

"Hey, Stalin! How about a good game of 'You and Hitler fight'!"

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 30, 2019 01:30 PM (oQp6r)

259 > Easy. Just sit on our hands in England, getting ourselves sorted out, while the Soviets battled tong and hammer day after day.

Viz. Henry Kissinger on the Iran/Iraq War: "It's a pity they can't both lose."

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 30, 2019 01:31 PM (oQp6r)

260 I meant that in the sense of not fighting until everything was ready.

The Soviets didn't have that luxury; they were in up to their eyeballs

starting on June 22, 1941.

The Russians were damn lucky the Rasputitsa ( you said tits) and winter of 1941 were brutal because that's what really slowed down and stopped the Germans. A mild one of either and the Germans might have been in Moscow

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 30, 2019 01:32 PM (IHjJr)

261 KT: The Instapundit link you link here:

And the London incident was followed by more stabbings in The Netherlands.

goes to an Instapundit story on

CHINA READS THE NY TIMES EDITORIAL PAGE

Posted by: m at November 30, 2019 01:32 PM (55d/e)

262
Don't forget: our home-grown commies were anti-war between August, 1939 and July, 1941.

Posted by: Hadrian the Seventh at November 30, 2019 01:33 PM (9dTMN)

263 Same thing with capturing Berlin. Some faulted Eisenhower & Co. for not racing the Soviets there. But the Soviets lost 250,000 men there, whereas lost 400,00 in the whole war. Let the commies have at it, I say.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 01:30 PM (mAKQ6)

Well, the theory goes Ike might have done several things differently in the western theater, had he not had to drag Monty and the Brits along with him.

It's no knock on the Brits, as they had basically been bled dry by then, but the massive ego that was Montgomery meant they had to have an "equal" hand in all operations. And he was incapable of ever admitting he didn't have the manpower to carry it out.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2019 01:35 PM (hku12)

264 We did send fucktons of equipment to Stalin over the Lend-Lease routes, without which the Sovs would've folded like a collective factory suit.

So, we spent lots of treasure, but not much blood. Fair tradeoff, IMO.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 30, 2019 01:35 PM (oQp6r)

265 Same thing with capturing Berlin. Some faulted
Eisenhower Co. for not racing the Soviets there. But the Soviets
lost 250,000 men there, whereas lost 400,00 in the whole war. Let the
commies have at it, I say.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 01:30 PM (mAKQ6)

To quote Judge Smails to the Russians: You'll get nothing and like it. Fuck the commie bastards. I don't care how many they lost. I wouldn't have allowed them to get that far west. That commie cripple FDR was going to hand Greece over to Uncle Joe too until Churchill stepped in.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 30, 2019 01:35 PM (IHjJr)

266 > Montgomery meant they had to have an "equal" hand in all operations.

The man was simply incapable of recognizing that the British Empire was no longer a going concern, and hadn't been since the Great War.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 30, 2019 01:36 PM (oQp6r)

267 I'm not faulting our strategy: it would have been madness to do other
than we did. The fact that the Soviets and the Nazis were beating the
snot out of each other all that time was just a benefit.

That's what I'm saying as well. It worked out, but it wasn't because of some sinister grand strategy on our part. Well, maybe partly in Berlin, but Stalin didn't want us to take part in that either.

Posted by: pep at November 30, 2019 01:36 PM (T6t7i)

268 Instapundit link to:

AND AGAIN: Stabbing Attack in The Netherlands Follows London Attack.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/349881/

Posted by: m at November 30, 2019 01:37 PM (55d/e)

269 > Don't forget: our home-grown commies were anti-war between August, 1939 and July, 1941.

There were a few whose eyes were opened by the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.
But only a few.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 30, 2019 01:38 PM (oQp6r)

270 Montgomery meant they had to have an "equal" hand in all operations.
--------------------------
The man was simply incapable of recognizing that the British Empire was no longer a going concern, and hadn't been since the Great War.

Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 30, 2019 01:36 PM (oQp6r)

Well, he did manage essentially a stalemate in Africa against Rommel, so the man was not without his strengths.

Posted by: BurtTC at November 30, 2019 01:38 PM (hku12)

271 Noms on bacon and eggs.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 30, 2019 01:42 PM (/sgva)

272

Bacon egg cheese muffins for noms.
Nom Nom!

Posted by: My Pimp Shot My Dealer at November 30, 2019 01:46 PM (tWgX/)

273 m at November 30, 2019 01:32 PM

Thanks. Will correct.

Posted by: KTbarthedoor at November 30, 2019 01:47 PM (BVQ+1)

274 Red Army was in the middle of a difficult transition when the Germans struck, actually towards a "modern" mobile force [albeit with early/inadequate tools to a degree], in addition to the purges. Equipment levels were not yet near planned, or adequate. Training was spotty [not much different the American forces early on].

The scale of losses was mostly due to the early complete mismatch between the competence of the two sides - into 1942 it was as much desperation as disregard for lives of their own men behind the huge numbers. As commanders became more competent, equipment levels and training improved, loss rate declined quite a bit.

Glantz and a few others writing since the archives opened offer a much fuller view of it all.

Stalin definitely on the hook for the insane refusal to heed clear intel of German intentions. Unbelievable, catastrophic error.

Stalin was kept informed of "2nd front" plans, which we and the Brits were fighting about. There was scoffing at North Africa, but that died down when Sicily invasion caused Hitler to pull the plug at Kursk.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 30, 2019 01:48 PM (QDnY+)

275 The Kevin Dowd column was great as always. Two quotes:

Adam Schiff has pursued the president with the obsessive zeal of Inspector Javert in "Les Miserables," but his results have looked more like Inspector Clouseau's.

and

Schiff now finds himself in the uncomfortable position of Elizabeth Taylor's sixth or seventh husband, who, legend has it, cried, "I know what is expected of me on the wedding night, but how can I possibly make it more interesting?"

Posted by: Ian S. at November 30, 2019 01:51 PM (6XLoz)

276 Ike would have loved to have had the imaginary world to work with in 1945, where it was simply a matter of deciding to conquer/hold vast parts of central Europe, or "give it away" to the evil commies [who were actually conquering it and there first anyway], and not a semi-crisis with manpower requiring a doubling of the draft call in March, hasty redirection of Pacific-bound new divisions to Europe, and homefront patience/resolve getting battered by the cost at Iwo and then Okinawa. But it, like many other baseless myths, will just not die.

Posted by: rhomboid at November 30, 2019 02:01 PM (QDnY+)

277 I saw Den of Jackals open for Papal Nuncios at the Steel Pier in 68.

Posted by: Henry Bibby at November 30, 2019 02:03 PM (XXaRO)

278 249 Maureen Dowd has an annual tradition of handing her column over to her conservative brother Kevin once a year. Kevin is ... great. And his guest op-ed is superb. I very rarely offer a link to the NYT, but this one is great, if only for the bile that will rise in the throats of the heathen as they read it (probably just the first two paragraphs). LINK: https://preview.tinyurl.com/utv9pfb

Posted by: mrp at November 30, 2019 01:26 PM (Pqytn)

Dowd's sister thinks Jim Jordan is hot and her brother is a conservative.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

Posted by: Braenyard at November 30, 2019 02:07 PM (pr9ci)

279 Anyone wanting to get a feel for the actual situation in '45 needs to read "Hell to Pay" by Giangreco. Not only does he document the actual tight squeeze of American resources in early '45, and the mild panic about prepping for Olympic and Coronet, but also adds "new" material about the Russians lacking any real capability to deal themselves in to Japan occupation thru military operations [can't recall if it was in this or another book where it is recounted how Zhukov and Vasilevsky scoffed at the prospect of any serious Soviet amphibious operations in the far east when the Stavka - with the Boss present - took up the issue].

Posted by: rhomboid at November 30, 2019 02:08 PM (QDnY+)

280 FDR was so dumb he actually dug on Oak Island before it was a dumb TV show.

Dumb and inbred was no way to go thru life, Delano.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 30, 2019 01:07 PM (Z+IKu)

The Curse of Oak Island has great potential as a drinking game. Take a drink every time the narrator says mysterious or could this be.

Posted by: Northernlurker, still lurking after all these years at November 30, 2019 02:13 PM (eAMlh)

281 280 FDR was so dumb he actually dug on Oak Island before it was a dumb TV show.

Dumb and inbred was no way to go thru life, Delano.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 30, 2019 01:07 PM (Z+IKu)

The Curse of Oak Island has great potential as a drinking game. Take a drink every time the narrator says mysterious or could this be.

Posted by: Northernlurker, still lurking after all these years at November 30, 2019 02:13 PM (eAMlh)

Could probably do that with Ancient Aliens too. Shit faced before the first commercial.

Posted by: buzzion at November 30, 2019 02:21 PM (Z7lwY)

282 "The "labor theory of value" did it for me. I read
that in college, and laughed. How could take it seriously? It's
obviously not true. And yet it is the engine for all of Marx's analysis.
It's like basing modern chemistry on the notion of phlogiston.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 30, 2019 12:56 PM (mAKQ6)"
..
..
And yet it still keeps popping up over and over again, even today, sometimes in slightly different guises.
We should just call it what it is and refer to all flavors of commies as Turd Polishers.

Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at November 30, 2019 02:21 PM (67XdO)

283 The Frankfurt School 'scholars' fleeing Nazi Germany were Socialists / Communists.

Posted by: Easy Andy at November 30, 2019 02:41 PM (2DOZq)

284 Evidently the power went out overnight. The clocks are all blinking at me, mockingly.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 30, 2019 02:49 PM (ycWCI)

285 Bikini Whale > Narwhal

Posted by: Lena D at November 30, 2019 02:56 PM (QUD4S)

286 Petnood

Posted by: San Franpsycho at November 30, 2019 03:04 PM (EZebt)

287 Maureen Dowd has an annual tradition of handing her column over to her conservative brother Kevin once a year. Kevin is ... great. And his guest op-ed is superb. I very rarely offer a link to the NYT, but this one is great, if only for the bile that will rise in the throats of the heathen as they read it (probably just the first two paragraphs). LINK: https://preview.tinyurl.com/utv9pfb

Posted by: mrp at November 30, 2019 01:26 PM (Pqytn)

Kevin Dowd sounds like a moron--the good kind.
And as predicted, the responses from the typical NY Times reader are alternately hilarious--and nausea-inducing. Especially fun are the ones that take Kevin to task for "repeating FOX talking points" as they parrot MSM talking points in response.

Posted by: JoeF. at November 30, 2019 03:20 PM (CqE5x)

288 JoeF - concur, He should disown his sister

Posted by: Skip at November 30, 2019 03:38 PM (ZCEU2)

289 ABS module from a Ford dealership is $200 cheaper than from Devilzon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA5509mcQd8

Posted by: Braenyard at November 30, 2019 04:27 PM (Hg4NE)

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