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Gun Thread: Mail Call!! [Weasel]
Dayum! You people really hit the ol' Gun Thread mailbox hard this week! So much so, you all have pretty well written the thread your own bad selves! Thank you, thank you, thank you!! And this means I get to use the lonely mailbox picture again! Life is bueno, amigos and amigettes. Without further introductory blabbering on my part, lets get right to it, shall we?
First we have this story and question sent in by our pal ibguy whose friend Sam had a recent confrontation:
Sam's story: "How sad. I suppose civility is truly dead with the younger generation. As many of you know, I live downtown above my business (really cool). This afternoon a young man parked next to me in my small parking lot (right next to a massive, public lot). Normally I am not bothered (I don't care about such things) BUT my wife was leaving soon and was uncomfortable that someone was parking in our lot after hours. I get it. Women should be concerned about their safety and it was odd that he parked where he did - considering that the large, public lot was closer to where it turned out he was working). There is a prominently displayed no parking during non-business hours sign (tow sign specifying parking in our lot after-hours may cause your vehicle to be towed - pretty standard stuff for businesses). So, I go out. I don't see anyone around and as I'm starting to take a phone pic of his license plate, this young man comes running up to me - threatening to "knock my teeth out" and "shoot me" if I don't get away from his car. He was around the corner of a nearby building taking pictures of a young girl. I was surprised. He was a very nice-looking young man who I would think was taught better manners and behavior. I tend to do the unconventional when surprised. I spread my arms wide and told him to go ahead and hit or shoot an old, fat man. He continued to threaten me as he (and she) entered the car and drove off. OK, his camera was a digital SLR and he had a nice car. He was well groomed and nicely dressed (as was she). So, I didn't think I was dealing with any sort of thuggery. But his vehemence made me wonder how his Mother raised someone who felt so entitled as to do such actions without permission. I am a BIG believer in entrepreneurship. So, had he asked I would certainly given him "run" of the entire place. Ah well, we move on." Here's my question; draw or no (not necessarily shoot)?Well that's an interesting problem. Sam was threatened with bodily harm, but apparantly no weapon was evident. What do you all think? Was there enough provocation there for Sam to draw a weapon, or would you have done as Sam did and try to diffuse the situation another way? As you consider your answer, think about how a prosecutor might spin this to a jury if things had escalated and the troublemaker had been shot.
I had an interesting and instructive visit to our range yesterday. I had saved my nickels and saved my dimes and finally got the scratch together to indulge my lust for a brand new Colt Combat Elite Commander in .45 ACP. 4.25" barrel, ambi safety, for my southpawness, and Novak night sights that I can actually SEE. Excited as Ralphie with his Red Ryder, I took it with a bunch of ammo to break it in some. Functioned great with 230 grain hardball from Speer, Remington, and of course Winchester White Box. Not a hiccup with Winchester PDX1, which I use as my defensive load. Then I tried some TulAmmo that I had. First round . . . POP. Not good, I sez to myself. I drop the mag, point the muzzle in a safe direction, and wait a decent interval. Jack out the round and see that the primer detonated, but not the powder. Maybe an aberration, I tell myself. Fire another couple of rounds without incident, then on the third round I notice that the recoil was very light, and I swear I heard a sizzling sound.. I couldn't tell if the slide had cycled or not. So I drop the mag and wait again. Pull back the slide. No round in the chamber, and no (Thank God!) round stuck in the barrel. I may be dumb, but I ain't stupid. I unloaded the TulAmmo and decided to consign the remainder of the box to the bottom of the lake where I may have an unfortunate canoeing accident if Blackface Northam gets his legislative agenda passed. Interestingly enough the TulAmmo wasn't ancient, maybe three years old, and had been stored in good conditions in the same metal GI ammo box as the Speer that I shot. Inspection of the rounds themselves showed no evidence of corrosion or other problems. This was the second incident I've had with TulAmmo. The first was 5.56 mm that had consistent failure to extract from my S&W M&P 15. I know lots of people swear by TulAmmo, but I will never buy that Russkie crap again. BTW, the gun shot better than I do. Much more practice is indicated!Great report. Thanks That Deplorable SOB Van Owen! I've used TulAmmo some in 7.62x39 for plinking purposes, and haven't had a problem. I doubt I'd ever choose it for carry ammo, but for goofing around it seems OK. How about you all? What has your experience been with TulAmmo? Good, bad, or indifferent? Here's a pic of TDSOBVO's neww shootin' iron. Congratulations on the Colt!
Big Buck probably said ‘Damn the free corn. That position is held by Isis, steer well clear of it’. I only saw does and young bucks this past week. But that 6 point will look pretty damn legal on the last day of deer season in January.
Word of your lethal bad-assery has reached the East Texas deer population! Thanks Eromero aB!
A recent article in American Rifleman about gun cleaning had mentioned using small Dixie cups to hold cleaning solvent for patches and brushes, so as not to contaminate the main bottle by dipping dirty brushes into it. Something that I have found to be very useful over the years is a solvent pump bottle, available for a few bucks from Amazon or various industrial suppliers. Put some solvent in it, and a pump or two gives you a nice little pool of solvent for wetting patches, swabs, or brushes. When done, either close the cap and put it on the shelf, or pour the unused (and still clean) solvent back into the main bottle. They work great and also prevent the nasty type of mess you would get knocking over an open bottle of #9. The pic shows a bottle along with a .38 caliber swab, another handy item for working with revolvers.Great tip! Thanks Neon Madman!
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Keefe Report: Taurus G3 9mm
Georgia Arms: Buy Ammo
Shooting Sports USA: Springfield Armory XD-E 9mm
Shooting Sports USA: Finding Your Natural Aiming Area (Natural Point of Aim)
Winston Churchill's 1911 - - h/t CBD
Comments
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Yay!!! Gun thread, now content
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 17, 2019 07:00 PM (ZfBVE)
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Whoo hoo ( fires 6 shooters in the air)
Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 07:02 PM (ZCEU2)
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On time, on target!
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 07:03 PM (DMUuz)
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1st?
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 17, 2019 07:04 PM (NqeSm)
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read the Fing content like a n00b.
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 17, 2019 07:04 PM (NqeSm)
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Even on topic now:
500 Mark (Anvil) from C&Rsenal takes a Dardick apart and tries to make ammo for it:
https://tinyurl.com/y7fenkpj
500 Mark (Anvil) from C&Rsenal takes a Dardick apart and tries to make ammo for it:
https://tinyurl.com/y7fenkpj
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 17, 2019 07:05 PM (ycWCI)
Posted by: ibguy at November 17, 2019 07:05 PM (EHVbt)
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Sam's story - IMO no
Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 07:06 PM (ZCEU2)
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in Sam's case, i'd bet that, had things gotten sporty, the young lady, weeping copiously would have testified they diddunuffin and the mean old racist threatened them...
then they would have sued for civil damages.
then they would have sued for civil damages.
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 17, 2019 07:07 PM (NqeSm)
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Also: Thanks for the H/T, Weasel.
*After* I sent that, Sam noted that he *does* carry. So, question still stands, but new info.
*After* I sent that, Sam noted that he *does* carry. So, question still stands, but new info.
Posted by: ibguy at November 17, 2019 07:07 PM (EHVbt)
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Gunga la gunga !
Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 07:07 PM (arJlL)
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No Skeet Surfin' ?
Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 07:07 PM (arJlL)
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An item for discussion is whether firing hundreds of rounds at a range session is the best method, versus a lower round count and more frequent visits. Since I don't pay for range time, I prefer option two. I feel that it helps my muscle memory to do it this way.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 07:08 PM (xPhgI)
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"We also have a picture of the offending cartridge. Anyone see a problem with the primer?"
He bought a Gyrojet? LUCKY!
He bought a Gyrojet? LUCKY!
Posted by: hogmartin at November 17, 2019 07:08 PM (t+qrx)
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I don't think I would have drawn given Sam's situation but I really don't know. I do think a DA would have looked hard at Sam if he did and at least a 'Brandishing' or some such charge would have been forthcoming. Sad.
But, I'm slow to draw. It's my nature. Perhaps too slow - I truly want it to be my last resort.
But, I'm slow to draw. It's my nature. Perhaps too slow - I truly want it to be my last resort.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 07:08 PM (Y4EXg)
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Where does the soul of a rifle reside? I have a new upper and lower receiver for Betty but I'm wondering if it should be a different girl.
https://flic.kr/p/2hLi24w
https://flic.kr/p/2hLi24w
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 17, 2019 07:09 PM (yQpMk)
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"This was the second incident I've had with TulAmmo. The first was 5.56
mm that had consistent failure to extract from my SW MP 15. I
know lots of people swear by TulAmmo, but I will never buy that Russkie
crap again. BTW, the gun shot better than I do. Much more practice is
indicated!"
Tulammo is verboten on any range that I have been to. It's garbage and has a bad reputation.
mm that had consistent failure to extract from my SW MP 15. I
know lots of people swear by TulAmmo, but I will never buy that Russkie
crap again. BTW, the gun shot better than I do. Much more practice is
indicated!"
Tulammo is verboten on any range that I have been to. It's garbage and has a bad reputation.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 17, 2019 07:09 PM (JUOKG)
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Would the situation have been diffused, or is the word you're looking for defused?
Posted by: Pedantist at November 17, 2019 07:09 PM (HddOg)
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*After* I sent that, Sam noted that he *does* carry. So, question still stands, but new info.
Posted by: ibguy at November 17, 2019 07:07 PM (EHVbt)
People are assholes.
Posted by: ibguy at November 17, 2019 07:07 PM (EHVbt)
People are assholes.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at November 17, 2019 07:09 PM (ycWCI)
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I wonder if that drives the pampered perfumed princes and princesses of print absolutely nuts.
Winston Churchill was a reporter and knew how to use a firearm.
Winston Churchill was a reporter and knew how to use a firearm.
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 17, 2019 07:10 PM (UQbq+)
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My experience with Tula (the box says TulAmmo but that runs together the words. The manufacturer is Tula) is with 9mm steelcase.
In the words of The Critic: it's crap!
My KelTec PF9s really hate it. Lots of FTF, misfire, or not enough recoil to release the next rounds.
My Sig P226 which I thought would eat anything was not thrilled with it.
I have a Ruger P95 that has no problem with it though.
Go figure.
Still, it's crap.
In the words of The Critic: it's crap!
My KelTec PF9s really hate it. Lots of FTF, misfire, or not enough recoil to release the next rounds.
My Sig P226 which I thought would eat anything was not thrilled with it.
I have a Ruger P95 that has no problem with it though.
Go figure.
Still, it's crap.
Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 07:10 PM (ZfRYq)
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Thanks for the input, folks!
I really don't know what I would have done.
Ive always been taught that one does not draw unless one intends to fire, but...
Still not sure.
I really don't know what I would have done.
Ive always been taught that one does not draw unless one intends to fire, but...
Still not sure.
Posted by: ibguy at November 17, 2019 07:10 PM (EHVbt)
Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 07:11 PM (ZCEU2)
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So, I had a range report today. It was actually a mini MoMeet and shoot in NYC of all places.
Through the comments sections of the gun thread 2 weeks ago going over the trials and tribulations of me getting a NYC handgun permit, moron RBL reached out to me and invited to get together and do a little shooting at the West Side Pistol & Rifle range in Manhattan.
Well I met up with him today at around 10 pm with my Sig in tow and proceeded to have a GREAT time shooting.
RPL was VERY helpful in showing me the proper stance and how to best grip the gun. I can honestly say I think the reason my shots are low and left have to do with my grip and my tendency to flinch now and then.
I sent close to 100 rounds down range and his guidance definitely helped get a lot of them in the scoring ring (though I had an aversion to hitting the triangle 6 on one of the targets) LOL
I look forward to meeting and shooting with RPL again and if there are any other morons in NYC that are shooters maybe we can try to get together for a larger MoMeet and shoot.
Through the comments sections of the gun thread 2 weeks ago going over the trials and tribulations of me getting a NYC handgun permit, moron RBL reached out to me and invited to get together and do a little shooting at the West Side Pistol & Rifle range in Manhattan.
Well I met up with him today at around 10 pm with my Sig in tow and proceeded to have a GREAT time shooting.
RPL was VERY helpful in showing me the proper stance and how to best grip the gun. I can honestly say I think the reason my shots are low and left have to do with my grip and my tendency to flinch now and then.
I sent close to 100 rounds down range and his guidance definitely helped get a lot of them in the scoring ring (though I had an aversion to hitting the triangle 6 on one of the targets) LOL
I look forward to meeting and shooting with RPL again and if there are any other morons in NYC that are shooters maybe we can try to get together for a larger MoMeet and shoot.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 17, 2019 07:12 PM (ZfBVE)
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I have not been to the range this week, it was raining and cold, but I do need to check out my newest acquisition; my first AR-15 in 6.8SPC. But first, I need to get some ammo for it.
The last time we went to the range was 2 weeks ago. Mrs Hades is still loving her new Sig 365XL and I am carrying my Glock 36 again after putting 300 rounds through the new barrel without the FTE issues it had been previously plagued with.
The last time we went to the range was 2 weeks ago. Mrs Hades is still loving her new Sig 365XL and I am carrying my Glock 36 again after putting 300 rounds through the new barrel without the FTE issues it had been previously plagued with.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 17, 2019 07:13 PM (T8A10)
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Tul Ammo, you get what you pay for. What drunk Ivan shat out on Monday in other words.
I have heard never to put aluminum ammo in magazines for extended periods, that it will swell.
I have heard never to put aluminum ammo in magazines for extended periods, that it will swell.
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 17, 2019 07:13 PM (UQbq+)
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Weasel's mail box I see besides getting lots of mail has stopped a few rounds
Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 07:13 PM (ZCEU2)
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I would imagine TulAmmo in an AK would be okay. Commie junk ammo in commie junk rifle. Match made in heaven.
Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 07:13 PM (ZfRYq)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2019 07:14 PM (aKsyK)
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22 Thanks for the input, folks!
I really don't know what I would have done.
Ive always been taught that one does not draw unless one intends to fire, but...
Still not sure.
Posted by: ibguy at November 17, 2019 07:10 PM (EHVbt)
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I'm thinking I'd have just backed off and put some distance between us. If he started toward me, then I'd rethink the problem.
I really don't know what I would have done.
Ive always been taught that one does not draw unless one intends to fire, but...
Still not sure.
Posted by: ibguy at November 17, 2019 07:10 PM (EHVbt)
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I'm thinking I'd have just backed off and put some distance between us. If he started toward me, then I'd rethink the problem.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:14 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 17, 2019 07:14 PM (UQbq+)
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1st story - I'd say a draw and hold in low ready while telling him to stay back would have been appropriate.
2nd story - I've had the same issue with Tula in my AR. My ol' PTR 91 didn't mind it. The low price is not worth the inaccuracy nor the fouling it creates.
No shooting this weekend but I did, after 3 hours, get a G model decocker kit installed on my 92 FS. Launched two springs into the nether regions of my garage, went full RAGE MODE, and then enlisted wife to help search. 5 minutes later, she found one and saved me having to purchase another kit! Thanks, honey!
2nd story - I've had the same issue with Tula in my AR. My ol' PTR 91 didn't mind it. The low price is not worth the inaccuracy nor the fouling it creates.
No shooting this weekend but I did, after 3 hours, get a G model decocker kit installed on my 92 FS. Launched two springs into the nether regions of my garage, went full RAGE MODE, and then enlisted wife to help search. 5 minutes later, she found one and saved me having to purchase another kit! Thanks, honey!
Posted by: Doc Samson at November 17, 2019 07:15 PM (ZZtOH)
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TulAmmo is made for AK's, which are made for savages to operate.
Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2019 07:15 PM (UUkQp)
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Weasel's mail box I see besides getting lots of mail has stopped a few rounds
Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 07:13 PM (ZCEU2)
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They hate that mailbox.
Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 07:13 PM (ZCEU2)
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They hate that mailbox.
Posted by: Navin Johnson at November 17, 2019 07:16 PM (XVuno)
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Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 17, 2019 07:12 PM (ZfBVE)
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Very cool. Glad you guys were able to get together and do some shooting!!
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Very cool. Glad you guys were able to get together and do some shooting!!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:16 PM (MVjcR)
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60 Minutes investigates the Red Flag laws tonight.
Wonder how fair that will be
Posted by: Skip
I suppose it will depend upon who is most affected by them.
60 Minutes investigates the Red Flag laws tonight.
Wonder how fair that will be
Posted by: Skip
I suppose it will depend upon who is most affected by them.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2019 07:16 PM (aKsyK)
Posted by: ibguy at November 17, 2019 07:16 PM (EHVbt)
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23 60 Minutes investigates the Red Flag laws tonight.
Wonder how fair that will be
Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 07:11 PM
I haven't watched that show in 30 years, but my guess is that they will want to push it to all 57 states.
Wonder how fair that will be
Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 07:11 PM
I haven't watched that show in 30 years, but my guess is that they will want to push it to all 57 states.
Posted by: clutch at November 17, 2019 07:17 PM (Z3oWA)
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Anna - have mentioned you a few times over the week. Said if you didn't play war games, or had a collection of WWII models it would be a shame
Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 07:17 PM (ZCEU2)
Posted by: ibguy at November 17, 2019 07:17 PM (EHVbt)
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I have shot Tulammo in my 308 VEPR and my AK. I think they are built to handle crap steelcase as I have had no problems.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 17, 2019 07:17 PM (yQpMk)
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13 An item for discussion is whether firing hundreds of rounds at a range session is the best method, versus a lower round count and more frequent visits. Since I don't pay for range time, I prefer option two. I feel that it helps my muscle memory to do it this way.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 07:08 PM (xPhgI)
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This is a great question!
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 07:08 PM (xPhgI)
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This is a great question!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:17 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: JT at November 17, 2019 07:18 PM (arJlL)
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Where does the soul of a rifle reside? I have a new
upper and lower receiver for Betty but I'm wondering if it should be a
different girl.
https://flic.kr/p/2hLi24w
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 17, 2019 07:09 PM (yQpMk)
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looks like an A1 upper and lower....get a 1:12 0r 1:14 barrel, a fixed stock, some triangular hand guards and go Olde Skool!
upper and lower receiver for Betty but I'm wondering if it should be a
different girl.
https://flic.kr/p/2hLi24w
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 17, 2019 07:09 PM (yQpMk)
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looks like an A1 upper and lower....get a 1:12 0r 1:14 barrel, a fixed stock, some triangular hand guards and go Olde Skool!
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 17, 2019 07:18 PM (NqeSm)
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Are there any good slings for rifles without swivels?
Posted by: clutch at November 17, 2019 07:19 PM (Z3oWA)
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TulAmmo is made for AK's, which are made for savages to operate.
Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2019 07:15 PM
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I ran a couple of mags of that stuff in 9mm through my ruger Lc9 because it was some cheap range ammo.
I had one spent case get stuck in the chamber that took a wooden rod and a hammer to pound it back out.
Never again.
Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2019 07:15 PM
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I ran a couple of mags of that stuff in 9mm through my ruger Lc9 because it was some cheap range ammo.
I had one spent case get stuck in the chamber that took a wooden rod and a hammer to pound it back out.
Never again.
Posted by: Mr. Scott (Formerly GWS) at November 17, 2019 07:19 PM (JUOKG)
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No shooting this weekend but I did, after 3 hours, get a G model decocker kit installed on my 92 FS. Launched two springs into the nether regions of my garage, went full RAGE MODE, and then enlisted wife to help search. 5 minutes later, she found one and saved me having to purchase another kit! Thanks, honey!
Posted by: Doc Samson at November 17, 2019 07:15 PM (ZZtOH)
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Have you tried the assembly/disassembly inside a ziplock trick?
No shooting this weekend but I did, after 3 hours, get a G model decocker kit installed on my 92 FS. Launched two springs into the nether regions of my garage, went full RAGE MODE, and then enlisted wife to help search. 5 minutes later, she found one and saved me having to purchase another kit! Thanks, honey!
Posted by: Doc Samson at November 17, 2019 07:15 PM (ZZtOH)
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Have you tried the assembly/disassembly inside a ziplock trick?
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:19 PM (MVjcR)
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War games? You mean like 'Here is your LBE, here is your K-Pot, here is your M-16A2, and other there is your fighting position.' That kind of thing? Been there and don't have the t-shirt.
Build all kinds of things. Right now resisting buying a Special Hobby 1/48 scale Viggen after watching some videos of that beast.
Build all kinds of things. Right now resisting buying a Special Hobby 1/48 scale Viggen after watching some videos of that beast.
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 17, 2019 07:20 PM (UQbq+)
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looks like an A1 upper and lower....get a 1:12 0r 1:14 barrel, a fixed stock, some triangular hand guards and go Olde Skool!
Good eye, it is indeed an A1 lower from Nodak via Brownells. I have all of that so I am going full retro on this one, though I much prefer the A2 round handguards.
Good eye, it is indeed an A1 lower from Nodak via Brownells. I have all of that so I am going full retro on this one, though I much prefer the A2 round handguards.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 17, 2019 07:20 PM (yQpMk)
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With a SW 357/38 revolver things go boom every time. I am a keep it simple stupid guy because I am simple.
Posted by: parker at November 17, 2019 07:21 PM (kO3Bf)
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The leftists intend to disarm peaceable, ordinary everyday Americans and render them defenseless. Not crooks, organized criminals, gangbangers, the psychotic looney-toons and the rest of it.
If you hadn't noticed.
If you hadn't noticed.
Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 07:21 PM (HddOg)
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Anna if you saw some of those games yesterday at the war game convention I think you would have been impressed
Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 07:22 PM (ZCEU2)
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42 13 An item for discussion is whether firing hundreds of rounds at a range session is the best method, versus a lower round count and more frequent visits. Since I don't pay for range time, I prefer option two. I feel that it helps my muscle memory to do it this way.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada
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I don't pay for the lane either and, like you, go often. BUT - mine is an indoor range and I can't draw and shoot, or shoot from any position other than strong hand, or rapid fire, or have the targets approach me, no drills, etc., etc.
What I am trying to say is there is nothing real world about most of my shooting. Getting to a range that allows real world situations is problematic.
I don't know the point of my rant - just sounding off I guess.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada
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I don't pay for the lane either and, like you, go often. BUT - mine is an indoor range and I can't draw and shoot, or shoot from any position other than strong hand, or rapid fire, or have the targets approach me, no drills, etc., etc.
What I am trying to say is there is nothing real world about most of my shooting. Getting to a range that allows real world situations is problematic.
I don't know the point of my rant - just sounding off I guess.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 07:22 PM (Y4EXg)
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Mr Scott @ 46- I gave away a 1K rd case of TulAmmo 5.56. I won't shoot it in any of my stuff, not even a piston-driven Adams.
Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2019 07:22 PM (UUkQp)
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As far as the amount of ammo expended at the range I myself like to shoot a minimum of 100 rounds but then again I am new at all this.
It also depends on what you are shooting.
When shooting with my nephew and using his firearms I can easily shoot 200 rounds on the handgun range, a hundred or so through his AR15, Less than a dozen through his .308 and the skeet range sees us doing around 100 shotgun
It also depends on what you are shooting.
When shooting with my nephew and using his firearms I can easily shoot 200 rounds on the handgun range, a hundred or so through his AR15, Less than a dozen through his .308 and the skeet range sees us doing around 100 shotgun
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 17, 2019 07:23 PM (ZfBVE)
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I don't pay for the lane either and, like you, go often. BUT - mine is an indoor range and I can't draw and shoot, or shoot from any position other than strong hand, or rapid fire, or have the targets approach me, no drills, etc., etc.
What I am trying to say is there is nothing real world about most of my shooting. Getting to a range that allows real world situations is problematic.
I don't know the point of my rant - just sounding off I guess.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 07:22 PM (Y4EXg)
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No, that's a good point, Tp. Have you ever considered something like IDPA?
I don't pay for the lane either and, like you, go often. BUT - mine is an indoor range and I can't draw and shoot, or shoot from any position other than strong hand, or rapid fire, or have the targets approach me, no drills, etc., etc.
What I am trying to say is there is nothing real world about most of my shooting. Getting to a range that allows real world situations is problematic.
I don't know the point of my rant - just sounding off I guess.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 07:22 PM (Y4EXg)
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No, that's a good point, Tp. Have you ever considered something like IDPA?
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:24 PM (MVjcR)
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Here is a story. Sra blaster works with a woman who resides in NJ.
This lady has a neighbor who swears that he will report every person he knows who owns a gun.
This is the real threat as I suspect this person is not alone his crazy, and the internet allows such crazies to congregate and coordinate.
Also, it should go without mentioning, but my troubles with TulAmmo were before all of my weapons had that unfortunate canoe incident.
This lady has a neighbor who swears that he will report every person he knows who owns a gun.
This is the real threat as I suspect this person is not alone his crazy, and the internet allows such crazies to congregate and coordinate.
Also, it should go without mentioning, but my troubles with TulAmmo were before all of my weapons had that unfortunate canoe incident.
Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 07:25 PM (ZfRYq)
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This is a decent eye dropper chemical resistant bottle:
https://www.mcmaster.com/solvent-bottles
specifically
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specifically
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Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at November 17, 2019 07:26 PM (BiNEL)
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From the two email situations:
Given the crap DAs typical these days (fvck the victim, protect the aggressor) brandishing could cause all sorts of problems. I might still have called the cops, using the license plate for an ID. He sounds like an attack waitong to happen. The cops probably can't do anything from this encounter but it could give them some info for the future.
As to the Tulammo, I have used it fairly often for plinking with no problems. But those failures would make me dump it and maybe notify the company of a bad batch. Also, is that a Berdan primer pocket in the photo?
Given the crap DAs typical these days (fvck the victim, protect the aggressor) brandishing could cause all sorts of problems. I might still have called the cops, using the license plate for an ID. He sounds like an attack waitong to happen. The cops probably can't do anything from this encounter but it could give them some info for the future.
As to the Tulammo, I have used it fairly often for plinking with no problems. But those failures would make me dump it and maybe notify the company of a bad batch. Also, is that a Berdan primer pocket in the photo?
Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 07:26 PM (bmdz3)
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I would say you handled mr parking lot douche exactly right. No need to escalate or threaten. He remains a douche, as he would in any likely scenario, but he left your lot. Good bye, mr douche. The end.
Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at November 17, 2019 07:26 PM (W+eo0)
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This week was Vz week.
Vz.58 that is. I have one surplus Czech Army in 7.62 X 39 and one sporter version in 5.56. Both run well and and are very accurate and fun to shoot. The surplus rifle has the beaver barf stock and handguards and I shot a couple of hundred rounds of Norinco ammo with no issues. Dirty stuff. The sporter is all mattel plastic with the AR stock which slides back and forth to get you in the mood. Very accurate and almost no recoil with her. I believe these sporter models are big in Canada since they ban just about anything else up there in our hat. I only shot them out to 100 yards this week but will take them out to distance next week.
As far as Sam goes, no draw/shoot. Just tell the young punk to move his ass off of your property.
As far as pistol ammo goes, don't go cheap. Live a little.
I shoot crap surplus ammo all the time but not in my pistols if I can help it. TulAmmo is not the way to go for your handguns.
Vz.58 that is. I have one surplus Czech Army in 7.62 X 39 and one sporter version in 5.56. Both run well and and are very accurate and fun to shoot. The surplus rifle has the beaver barf stock and handguards and I shot a couple of hundred rounds of Norinco ammo with no issues. Dirty stuff. The sporter is all mattel plastic with the AR stock which slides back and forth to get you in the mood. Very accurate and almost no recoil with her. I believe these sporter models are big in Canada since they ban just about anything else up there in our hat. I only shot them out to 100 yards this week but will take them out to distance next week.
As far as Sam goes, no draw/shoot. Just tell the young punk to move his ass off of your property.
As far as pistol ammo goes, don't go cheap. Live a little.
I shoot crap surplus ammo all the time but not in my pistols if I can help it. TulAmmo is not the way to go for your handguns.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 17, 2019 07:26 PM (Z+IKu)
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Not a big shotgun fan, although I own a 870 for home defense. #4 buck.
Posted by: parker at November 17, 2019 07:26 PM (kO3Bf)
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TulAmmo is made for AK's, which are made for savages to operate.
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This is true.
I'm a savage, and I fucking love my Zastava-Kragujevac. Tul works fine in it.
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This is true.
I'm a savage, and I fucking love my Zastava-Kragujevac. Tul works fine in it.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 07:27 PM (5aX2M)
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Weasel, I haven't but that certainly is a good idea. I have the time these days. I'll look into it - thanks!
It's either something like that or buying a 200 acre place and setting up my own.
Hmmm. . . . .
It's either something like that or buying a 200 acre place and setting up my own.
Hmmm. . . . .
Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 07:27 PM (Y4EXg)
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Out of tolerance ammo works good with out of tolerance rifle.
You do have to kinda admire the Russian KISS on weapons for dumb Russian populace.
You do have to kinda admire the Russian KISS on weapons for dumb Russian populace.
Posted by: Jukin the Deplorable and Totally Unserios at November 17, 2019 07:27 PM (pw+jk)
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I've never hated a firearm enough to feed it Tula ammo.
I've thought about getting a crappy SKS or an AK and feeding it that crap. It appeals to the sadist in me.
But then I think: or I could buy a decent gun I don't despise enough to hate-shoot.
I've thought about getting a crappy SKS or an AK and feeding it that crap. It appeals to the sadist in me.
But then I think: or I could buy a decent gun I don't despise enough to hate-shoot.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 07:27 PM (cfSRQ)
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Of course you might want to put up a new sign stating where you park is private parking. Violators will be towed.
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 17, 2019 07:27 PM (UQbq+)
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Hey everybody.
My advice to Sam, next time he sees that car in his lot, have it towed immediately.
My advice to Sam, next time he sees that car in his lot, have it towed immediately.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 07:28 PM (L2ZTs)
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And Weasel, those pictures were taken on a damn cold ETEX day, cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey. I couldn't feel my toes.
Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2019 07:28 PM (UUkQp)
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Great thread, as usual.
Just a quick note then off I go.
I was getting my sling set up for the M1 Garand High Power Match/Turkey Shoot that will take place next Saturday.
Much to my chagrin, while the sling looked good, as a functional aid to marksmanship, it was useless.
So, off to Youtube and after much stop, configure, then start, yours truly has a functional sling for shooting.
As for the shooter, well, I expect to have fun shooting the match.
Til next weekend!
Just a quick note then off I go.
I was getting my sling set up for the M1 Garand High Power Match/Turkey Shoot that will take place next Saturday.
Much to my chagrin, while the sling looked good, as a functional aid to marksmanship, it was useless.
So, off to Youtube and after much stop, configure, then start, yours truly has a functional sling for shooting.
As for the shooter, well, I expect to have fun shooting the match.
Til next weekend!
Posted by: blake - semi lurker in marginal standing
at November 17, 2019 07:29 PM (WEBkv)
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. Also, is that a Berdan primer pocket in the photo?
Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 07:26 PM (bmdz3)
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That was my first thought too, JTB, but I think it's the primer anvil minus the cup.
. Also, is that a Berdan primer pocket in the photo?
Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 07:26 PM (bmdz3)
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That was my first thought too, JTB, but I think it's the primer anvil minus the cup.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:29 PM (MVjcR)
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The leftists intend to disarm peaceable, ordinary everyday Americans and render them defenseless. Not crooks, organized criminals, gangbangers, the psychotic looney-toons and the rest of it.
If you hadn't noticed.
Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 07:21 PM (HddOg)
To be fair, politicians, crooks, organized criminals, gangbangers, the psychotic looney-toons, and the rest tend to resist weapons confiscation rather violently!
If you hadn't noticed.
Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 07:21 PM (HddOg)
To be fair, politicians, crooks, organized criminals, gangbangers, the psychotic looney-toons, and the rest tend to resist weapons confiscation rather violently!
Posted by: Commissar Hrothgar knows that EDKH at November 17, 2019 07:29 PM (BiNEL)
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Sra blaster works with a woman who resides in NJ.
This lady has a neighbor who swears that he will report every person he knows who owns a gun.
This is the real threat as I suspect this person is not alone his crazy, and the internet allows such crazies to congregate and coordinate.
The commie "neighborhood watches."
Sra blaster works with a woman who resides in NJ.
This lady has a neighbor who swears that he will report every person he knows who owns a gun.
This is the real threat as I suspect this person is not alone his crazy, and the internet allows such crazies to congregate and coordinate.
The commie "neighborhood watches."
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2019 07:30 PM (aKsyK)
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It's either something like that or buying a 200 acre place and setting up my own.
Hmmm. . . . .
Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 07:27 PM (Y4EXg)
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Highly recommended!
It's either something like that or buying a 200 acre place and setting up my own.
Hmmm. . . . .
Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 07:27 PM (Y4EXg)
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Highly recommended!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:30 PM (MVjcR)
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AKs like berdan. It's not punishment for them.
Posted by: Yudhishthira's Dice at November 17, 2019 07:30 PM (5aX2M)
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My advice to Sam, next time he sees that car in his lot, have it towed immediately.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 07:28 PM (L2ZTs)
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Man, you newspaper gumshoes are real hardasses.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 07:28 PM (L2ZTs)
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Man, you newspaper gumshoes are real hardasses.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 17, 2019 07:30 PM (XVuno)
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Scuba_Dude, if you Duckduckgo pistol shoot left low, and look at the images, you'll see some diagrams that may be helpful.
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 07:31 PM (DMUuz)
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My advice to Sam, next time he sees that car in his lot, have it towed immediately.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 07:28 PM (L2ZTs)
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thread winner!
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 07:28 PM (L2ZTs)
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thread winner!
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 17, 2019 07:32 PM (NqeSm)
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I live on my own rural property. That allows me to shoot, out to 100 yards, anyway I want. With my revolvers I practice right and left handed, standing, sitting or flat on my back.
Posted by: parker at November 17, 2019 07:32 PM (kO3Bf)
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 07:32 PM (L2ZTs)
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Thanks Duncanthrax!!
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 17, 2019 07:32 PM (ZfBVE)
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I seem to recall European ammo is Berdan primed, designed in the US, and American ammo is Boxer primed, a European design. Weird, huh?
Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 07:32 PM (HddOg)
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Regarding Sam the real question is how does such in civility become so ingrained. All the biases, a nicely dressed, nicely groomed young man should not immediately resort to the F bomb.
In an ideal world draw and shoot next to the car might teach a lesson. In the real world you go to jail.
I guess that answers the question.
In an ideal world draw and shoot next to the car might teach a lesson. In the real world you go to jail.
I guess that answers the question.
Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 07:32 PM (ZfRYq)
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69 And Weasel, those pictures were taken on a damn cold ETEX day, cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey. I couldn't feel my toes.
Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2019 07:28 PM (UUkQp)
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It looks cold!
Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2019 07:28 PM (UUkQp)
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It looks cold!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:33 PM (MVjcR)
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The primer anvil on Berdan ammo is integral with the case. There used to be instances of people drilling out the anvil to utilize boxer primers with hard to get caliber brass.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at November 17, 2019 07:34 PM (C1Lsn)
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:34 PM (MVjcR)
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@24 Scuba Dude
Glad to hear that you toughed it out.
I did something similar but not as difficult in getting a "long gun permit" while resident of NYC and also went to the West Side Range a number of times.
I'd be pleased to make your acquaintance as a former inmate of NYC, presently given a trustee position in a northern suburb. Have since been able to expand the gub family in ways you just cannot do in NYC. Maybe a mini Mo Me at Casa XNYC followed by a trip to a nearby range in Elmsford. Its not as good as the range I go to in real Upstate (that has outdoor rifle etc) but its decent for an indoor range, if a bit hyper nannied by the R.Os.
This week I'm snowed in with work (a trial) but hopefully we can exchange some emails.
Glad to hear that you toughed it out.
I did something similar but not as difficult in getting a "long gun permit" while resident of NYC and also went to the West Side Range a number of times.
I'd be pleased to make your acquaintance as a former inmate of NYC, presently given a trustee position in a northern suburb. Have since been able to expand the gub family in ways you just cannot do in NYC. Maybe a mini Mo Me at Casa XNYC followed by a trip to a nearby range in Elmsford. Its not as good as the range I go to in real Upstate (that has outdoor rifle etc) but its decent for an indoor range, if a bit hyper nannied by the R.Os.
This week I'm snowed in with work (a trial) but hopefully we can exchange some emails.
Posted by: xnycpeasant at November 17, 2019 07:34 PM (n7DR8)
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Duncanthrax I think I found my problem, Sights are off!!! LOL.
Just kidding. :-)
Just kidding. :-)
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 17, 2019 07:35 PM (ZfBVE)
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Regarding Sam's parking lot encounter, I would attempt to deescalate the situation, stay back and don't make the guy look bad in front of the girl, which would goad him into doing something to protect his honor. If he continued to escalate and you weren't able to back off or de-escalate, then bringing out the pistol might be necessary. Eating a little humble pie beats shooting someone or getting the law involved, IMHO.
Posted by: Pod Hamp at November 17, 2019 07:35 PM (RBFmA)
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I had some serious fun at the range today. I tried a new caliber, something I haven't done in a long time. I was using a Ruger Blackhawk in 41 magnum. It was comfortable to shoot. Even with medium power commercial ammo the recoil was not bad; less than 44 mags or heavy 357s. And it was plenty accurate.
Ammo in 41 magnum is damn expensive but I will be handloading everything from now on. When I bought the revolver, it included 500 pieces of Starline brass (Starline is my favorite) and 500 hard cast bullets. It was a hell of a deal.
I'm looking forward to seeing what it can do at longer ranges, at least 100 yards. The caliber has a reputation as a flat shooter. This is going to be fun.
Ammo in 41 magnum is damn expensive but I will be handloading everything from now on. When I bought the revolver, it included 500 pieces of Starline brass (Starline is my favorite) and 500 hard cast bullets. It was a hell of a deal.
I'm looking forward to seeing what it can do at longer ranges, at least 100 yards. The caliber has a reputation as a flat shooter. This is going to be fun.
Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 07:36 PM (bmdz3)
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This lady has a neighbor who swears that he will report every person he knows who owns a gun.
Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 07:25 PM
Report to whom?
Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 07:25 PM
Report to whom?
Posted by: clutch at November 17, 2019 07:37 PM (Z3oWA)
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One of the results of the last component shortage was finding powders that could do what you needed if your usual powder wasn't available which it often wasn't. This came to mind for a couple of reasons this week. First, I noticed nobody has Varget powder for sale or even for back order. I don't use it myself but it is popular. Questions are being asked about why the shortage and what will do the same job. Second, I found I have about 10 pounds of SR4759 powder, which was discontinued several years ago. It's a classic powder and is especially useful for mild cast bullet loads in rifles. Okay, I've got plenty for a lot of loads but what if I didn't.
This is the time to plan and lay in supplies. Also, to rethink what powders are more valuable for their versatility. If needed, I could do 90 percent of my reloading with Bullseye and Unique powders. Adding Red Dot powder expands things tremendously. Does that mean you don't use the many other powders. Nope. In the case of SR4759, AA5744 can stand in. Red Dot is a very versatile powder but Promo has an identical burn rate and pressure curve, can use Red Dot numbers BY WEIGHT not by volume, is usually inexpensive and was available after Red Dot disappeared from the shelves a few years ago.
Actually, I had fun learning more about the history and properties of so many powders. Yes I am a reloading nerd.
Just some things to consider.
This is the time to plan and lay in supplies. Also, to rethink what powders are more valuable for their versatility. If needed, I could do 90 percent of my reloading with Bullseye and Unique powders. Adding Red Dot powder expands things tremendously. Does that mean you don't use the many other powders. Nope. In the case of SR4759, AA5744 can stand in. Red Dot is a very versatile powder but Promo has an identical burn rate and pressure curve, can use Red Dot numbers BY WEIGHT not by volume, is usually inexpensive and was available after Red Dot disappeared from the shelves a few years ago.
Actually, I had fun learning more about the history and properties of so many powders. Yes I am a reloading nerd.
Just some things to consider.
Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 07:37 PM (bmdz3)
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Shooting instructor, "I think I found your problem."
Shooter, "What?"
Instructor, "Well it's everything pulling the trigger."
Shooter, "What?"
Instructor, "Well it's everything pulling the trigger."
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 17, 2019 07:37 PM (UQbq+)
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Oh, sorry for being late, I was both at a gun show and at the range this weekend.
Mrs. Lloyd is in the market for a sub-compact and we sampled the various offerings. No decision has been made as funds are not yet available, but testing out ideas is fun.
Meanwhile, at the range...
I used some different ammo on my Walther PK380 and it shot much better. More accurate and less fouling. I almost forgot how much I enjoy shooting that little bugger.
A friend got Browning 1911 in .380, which is a lot of fun.
Mrs. Lloyd is in the market for a sub-compact and we sampled the various offerings. No decision has been made as funds are not yet available, but testing out ideas is fun.
Meanwhile, at the range...
I used some different ammo on my Walther PK380 and it shot much better. More accurate and less fouling. I almost forgot how much I enjoy shooting that little bugger.
A friend got Browning 1911 in .380, which is a lot of fun.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 07:37 PM (cfSRQ)
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62 Not a big shotgun fan, although I own a 870 for home defense. #4 buck.
Posted by: parker at November 17, 2019 07:26 PM (kO3Bf)
How is it for shooting through your front door?
Posted by: parker at November 17, 2019 07:26 PM (kO3Bf)
How is it for shooting through your front door?
Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 07:39 PM (iy171)
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@91. I assume the police.
Wife's coworker has a pistol for protection (single woman living alone in NJ) and I think the discussion was about the Red Flags.
Wife's coworker has a pistol for protection (single woman living alone in NJ) and I think the discussion was about the Red Flags.
Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 07:39 PM (ZfRYq)
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There is not a mention of what state this is in and whether a spawn of Soros is DA or not.
State black letter laws on brandishing vary some but nothing like the gloss put on them via court decisions. Either buy Andrew Branca's book and ancillary material for your state or you can get Mitch Vilos's book on Handgun Laws in the 50 states which is a bit less like a continuing ed seminar.
In general, I would back away from anyone going off on me, keep your body language neutral, and do not turn your back on a potential threat but make sure to keep peripheral vision as well because sometimes predators will use tactics like that to drive you like a game animal into a trap.
It is increasingly common that people doing bad stuff go ballistic when they know that they or their actions are now recorded on video. There might have been some hinky reason other than the illegal parking why that guy did not want his license plate photo'd.
State black letter laws on brandishing vary some but nothing like the gloss put on them via court decisions. Either buy Andrew Branca's book and ancillary material for your state or you can get Mitch Vilos's book on Handgun Laws in the 50 states which is a bit less like a continuing ed seminar.
In general, I would back away from anyone going off on me, keep your body language neutral, and do not turn your back on a potential threat but make sure to keep peripheral vision as well because sometimes predators will use tactics like that to drive you like a game animal into a trap.
It is increasingly common that people doing bad stuff go ballistic when they know that they or their actions are now recorded on video. There might have been some hinky reason other than the illegal parking why that guy did not want his license plate photo'd.
Posted by: whig at November 17, 2019 07:39 PM (MItID)
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Thank you weasel. Your knowledge and obvious skill are beyond my abilities, but I think I can defend me and mine unless SWAT team knocks on my door.
Posted by: parker at November 17, 2019 07:40 PM (kO3Bf)
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RE: Sam's story.Would I have drawn or shot? Nope. The belligerent punk didn't appear to have a weapon. Were there threats made? Sure. Even in a stand-your-ground state I don't think you'd have enough of a defense.Sam had pictures of the car the license plate. I would have called the police, given the photo evidence and explained the threats. Let them deal with the issue.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 17, 2019 07:41 PM (D3cJf)
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Weasel, that's a fake picture, No mail box out there wouldn't have at least 50 bullet holes in it.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 07:41 PM (Sf7dd)
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98 Thank you weasel. Your knowledge and obvious skill are beyond my abilities, but I think I can defend me and mine unless SWAT team knocks on my door.
Posted by: parker at November 17, 2019 07:40 PM (kO3Bf)
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Glad to have you here!
Posted by: parker at November 17, 2019 07:40 PM (kO3Bf)
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Glad to have you here!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:41 PM (MVjcR)
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92 JTB, there was a THR thread on Varget. The gist is that apparently some rumor is going around about a fire at the ADR plant in Australia that makes it. The rumor appears to be groundless from what folks would be in the know but people are panic buying it.
Posted by: whig at November 17, 2019 07:41 PM (MItID)
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Never found "long gun" permits to be a problem on Long Island but pistol permits are quite hard to get and you need to know LE or have security firm background help to get it without a lot of paperwork and time - not worth it for home protection if you know how to use a shotgun or rifle with some minimum proficiency.
Posted by: Boswell at November 17, 2019 07:42 PM (32YRo)
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Xnycpeasant, thanks for the invite and I may take you up on the offer. You can get my email address from Weasel (if he does not mind). Just send an email to the gun thread.
Look forward to hearing from you
Look forward to hearing from you
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 17, 2019 07:42 PM (ZfBVE)
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100 Weasel, that's a fake picture, No mail box out there wouldn't have at least 50 bullet holes in it.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 07:41 PM (Sf7dd)
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Heh. Very true!
Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 07:41 PM (Sf7dd)
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Heh. Very true!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:43 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: parker at November 17, 2019 07:43 PM (kO3Bf)
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Re Sam's story, I would love to know what kind of car the screaming punk had.
I would bet money it was a pretty new BMW or Audi.
I would bet money it was a pretty new BMW or Audi.
Posted by: qdpsteve at November 17, 2019 07:43 PM (L2ZTs)
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@59
No, it's boxer primed.
Thanks for the affirmation on the Tula crap. The few pennies a round you save is definitely not worth the potential problems.
No, it's boxer primed.
Thanks for the affirmation on the Tula crap. The few pennies a round you save is definitely not worth the potential problems.
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at November 17, 2019 07:43 PM (wZ9cV)
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@94 my subcompact recommendation goes to Sig P365.
I have become a Sig chauvinist so take it FWIW.
The 365 is narrow and light and has 10 whole boolits in the magazine.
I have become a Sig chauvinist so take it FWIW.
The 365 is narrow and light and has 10 whole boolits in the magazine.
Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 07:44 PM (ZfRYq)
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Guess who was a 1911 fan? From the Churchill War Rooms of the Imperial War Museum in London. If you're in London, CBD reports the museum is worth a visit.
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I can confirm this, it's like a time machine trip. If one is studied in WWII history, you can feel it around you. Visceral.
Also, nearby is the 'Hung, Drawn, and Quartered' pub. Have pint or two.
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I can confirm this, it's like a time machine trip. If one is studied in WWII history, you can feel it around you. Visceral.
Also, nearby is the 'Hung, Drawn, and Quartered' pub. Have pint or two.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 17, 2019 07:44 PM (CDGwz)
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This lady has a neighbor who swears that he will report every person he knows who owns a gun.
Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 07:25 PM
Report to whom?
Posted by: clutch at November 17, 2019 07:37 PM (Z3oWA)
I live in a somewhat rural part of the seacoast area of NH. A gentleman several doors down the road from me built a small range on his property. Been determined to be safe by the local police who were promptly called by my a-hole neighbor the first time the range was used.Every time he goes out to practice, my neighbor calls the cops. Every. Single. Time.The cops just told him to call dispatch when he wants to shoot so they'll know to expect the a-hole's phone call.
This lady has a neighbor who swears that he will report every person he knows who owns a gun.
Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 07:25 PM
Report to whom?
Posted by: clutch at November 17, 2019 07:37 PM (Z3oWA)
I live in a somewhat rural part of the seacoast area of NH. A gentleman several doors down the road from me built a small range on his property. Been determined to be safe by the local police who were promptly called by my a-hole neighbor the first time the range was used.Every time he goes out to practice, my neighbor calls the cops. Every. Single. Time.The cops just told him to call dispatch when he wants to shoot so they'll know to expect the a-hole's phone call.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 17, 2019 07:44 PM (D3cJf)
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89, I agree with your take. Rory Miller had a fine book about violence and his experience with it close hand as a corrections officer. He called it the monkey dance and described the idea that some not so bright folks have that an "educational beatdown" is in order when someone disses you.
Posted by: whig at November 17, 2019 07:44 PM (MItID)
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Said it in the narrative..."Taking pictures of a young girl"
Okay fella, already called the police so lets wait for them to sort this out and by the way, you are tresspassed from this property.
Wonder what the camera roll would have shown?
Okay fella, already called the police so lets wait for them to sort this out and by the way, you are tresspassed from this property.
Wonder what the camera roll would have shown?
Posted by: Paul Harvey at November 17, 2019 07:44 PM (vqIkG)
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 17, 2019 07:45 PM (CDGwz)
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As a side note, this week at the range the Range Boss ended his safety speech before going hot with....
"And Epstein Did Not Kill Himself".
He was awarded with thunderous applause.
"And Epstein Did Not Kill Himself".
He was awarded with thunderous applause.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 17, 2019 07:45 PM (Z+IKu)
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102 92 JTB, there was a THR thread on Varget. The gist is that apparently some rumor is going around about a fire at the ADR plant in Australia that makes it. The rumor appears to be groundless from what folks would be in the know but people are panic buying it.
Posted by: whig at November 17, 2019 07:41 PM (MItID)
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The Australian plant that makes Varget has burned down a dozen times now, I think!
Posted by: whig at November 17, 2019 07:41 PM (MItID)
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The Australian plant that makes Varget has burned down a dozen times now, I think!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:45 PM (MVjcR)
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my subcompact recommendation goes to Sig P365.
I have become a Sig chauvinist so take it FWIW.
The 365 is narrow and light and has 10 whole boolits in the magazine.
Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 07:44 PM (ZfRYq)
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I am also a fan of SIGs. That P365 is a finalist, no question.
The key is that it is her decision and hers alone, so I stay out of it, merely prompting her on what features she wants and how it feels and suggesting options.
Ultimately it must be optimized for her grip, so I'm just a facilitator.
I have become a Sig chauvinist so take it FWIW.
The 365 is narrow and light and has 10 whole boolits in the magazine.
Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 07:44 PM (ZfRYq)
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I am also a fan of SIGs. That P365 is a finalist, no question.
The key is that it is her decision and hers alone, so I stay out of it, merely prompting her on what features she wants and how it feels and suggesting options.
Ultimately it must be optimized for her grip, so I'm just a facilitator.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 07:46 PM (cfSRQ)
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Every. Single. Time.The cops just told him to call dispatch when he wants to shoot so they'll know to expect the a-hole's phone call.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed
Sounds like the complaining neighbors are not NH natives. I'd put good money on them being from Massachusetts.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed
Sounds like the complaining neighbors are not NH natives. I'd put good money on them being from Massachusetts.
Posted by: squeakywheel at November 17, 2019 07:47 PM (bE5f3)
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Folks who are older than 29 may remember when mailboxes were painted olive drab.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 17, 2019 07:47 PM (CDGwz)
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Late, ish. No, I HAVEN"T been to the range. I was stuck in VA the last two weeks and was out sitting in a wheat field yesterday and moaning about the 50kt winds today and NOT sitting out in a field. SO, How are you?
McGyver, over
McGyver, over
Posted by: McGyver at November 17, 2019 07:48 PM (gMngZ)
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120 Late, ish. No, I HAVEN"T been to the range. I was stuck in VA the last two weeks and was out sitting in a wheat field yesterday and moaning about the 50kt winds today and NOT sitting out in a field. SO, How are you?
McGyver, over
Posted by: McGyver at November 17, 2019 07:48 PM (gMngZ)
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Breezy, wasn't it?
McGyver, over
Posted by: McGyver at November 17, 2019 07:48 PM (gMngZ)
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Breezy, wasn't it?
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:49 PM (MVjcR)
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Every. Single. Time.The cops just told him to call dispatch when he
wants to shoot so they'll know to expect the a-hole's phone call.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed
Sounds like the complaining neighbors are not NH natives. I'd put good money on them being from Massachusetts.
Posted by: squeakywheel at November 17, 2019 07:47 PM (bE5f3)
I'd say you are correct. I'm not a NH native either, but truly appreciate the Live Free or Die creed. Truly pains me to see this state turn purple to almost blue.
Every. Single. Time.The cops just told him to call dispatch when he
wants to shoot so they'll know to expect the a-hole's phone call.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed
Sounds like the complaining neighbors are not NH natives. I'd put good money on them being from Massachusetts.
Posted by: squeakywheel at November 17, 2019 07:47 PM (bE5f3)
I'd say you are correct. I'm not a NH native either, but truly appreciate the Live Free or Die creed. Truly pains me to see this state turn purple to almost blue.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 17, 2019 07:49 PM (D3cJf)
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That is a picture of a reversed primer. I had one with like symptoms at a pistol match in the 80's with .38 wadcutter. Good job following the squib load drill!
It reminded me to inspect ammo: projectile, case mouth, primer present, funny dents in the case, rim or base for extraction and who knows what else might be there to see like corrosion or contamination.
I once saw .38. truck gun so grungy the brass was green.
It reminded me to inspect ammo: projectile, case mouth, primer present, funny dents in the case, rim or base for extraction and who knows what else might be there to see like corrosion or contamination.
I once saw .38. truck gun so grungy the brass was green.
Posted by: 80's music fan at November 17, 2019 07:50 PM (glGDV)
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Folks who are older than 29 may remember when mailboxes were painted olive drab.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 17, 2019 07:47 PM (CDGwz)
Were they not also painted dark blue at some time?
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 17, 2019 07:47 PM (CDGwz)
Were they not also painted dark blue at some time?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 17, 2019 07:50 PM (/sgva)
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Mike Hammer, when they painted them blue it made it much easier to read the chalk mark for the drop site.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 07:50 PM (Sf7dd)
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I would want to report the complaining neighbor for attempting to deprive Americans of their inalienable, God-given right to defend themselves.
Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 07:50 PM (iy171)
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 17, 2019 07:51 PM (d1uFV)
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I live in a somewhat rural part of the seacoast area
of NH. A gentleman several doors down the road from me built a small
range on his property. Been determined to be safe by the local police
who were promptly called by my a-hole neighbor the first time the range
was used.Every time he goes out to practice, my neighbor calls the cops.
Every. Single. Time.The cops just told him to call dispatch when he
wants to shoot so they'll know to expect the a-hole's phone call.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 17, 2019 07:44 PM (D3cJf)
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Some years ago I rented a house in the country with two other guys and on the 4th of July we hosted a BYO shooting gathering.
One of the neighbors got annoyed and called the sheriff, who sent out a couple of deputies who quickly realized they were badly outgunned but we greeted them warmly and soon were chatting with them amiably.
They noted that we had a range, good range control, were following all the rules, but the one quibble they had was the proximity of our backstop to the property line.
Beyond it was a cornfield, and it was possible that *someone* might hide in that corn and get shot by accident. They suggested moving the firing line back, up to the top of the hill so we could shoot at targets just inside the property line.
When we pointed out that going up the hill would make it a lot louder for the neighbors, they smiled and said that was too bad, because it was safer that way.
of NH. A gentleman several doors down the road from me built a small
range on his property. Been determined to be safe by the local police
who were promptly called by my a-hole neighbor the first time the range
was used.Every time he goes out to practice, my neighbor calls the cops.
Every. Single. Time.The cops just told him to call dispatch when he
wants to shoot so they'll know to expect the a-hole's phone call.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 17, 2019 07:44 PM (D3cJf)
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Some years ago I rented a house in the country with two other guys and on the 4th of July we hosted a BYO shooting gathering.
One of the neighbors got annoyed and called the sheriff, who sent out a couple of deputies who quickly realized they were badly outgunned but we greeted them warmly and soon were chatting with them amiably.
They noted that we had a range, good range control, were following all the rules, but the one quibble they had was the proximity of our backstop to the property line.
Beyond it was a cornfield, and it was possible that *someone* might hide in that corn and get shot by accident. They suggested moving the firing line back, up to the top of the hill so we could shoot at targets just inside the property line.
When we pointed out that going up the hill would make it a lot louder for the neighbors, they smiled and said that was too bad, because it was safer that way.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 07:52 PM (cfSRQ)
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Posted by: 80's music fan at November 17, 2019 07:50 PM (glGDV)
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I wondered about that too, but couldn't make out the edge of the cup.
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I wondered about that too, but couldn't make out the edge of the cup.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:52 PM (MVjcR)
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As an adult, I've never had a mailbox. Not the real kind. The modern, multi-box arrangement just doesn't seem right.
Posted by: bear with asymmetrical balls at November 17, 2019 07:54 PM (H5knJ)
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I shoot on the back 4o, which means a foot trap for clays or 40 or so pistol rounds at a paper target. I think after about that many pistol rounds I am not really helping myself, given I can go back out in a day or two and repeat.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 07:54 PM (oeKeQ)
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I had a COMEDICALLY bad day on Saturday, trying to get to the range. Everything that could go wrong, did (except for having the car break, I suppose, or getting shot at).
But after a long lunch, I did make it in.
I put 20 rounds though my Henry single shot .223. Shooting to the right, but I suspect that was me. The rifle is new to me and I'm not super consistent bring it to the shoulder offhand.
The rest of of the visit was me shooting .22lr out of my CZ P07. By the time I got there, the range was almost empty, which is what I needed to relax and de-stress. Got some good groups, too. I plan on doing more double tap drills with it. At 7 yards, everything was going into a three inch target.
But after a long lunch, I did make it in.
I put 20 rounds though my Henry single shot .223. Shooting to the right, but I suspect that was me. The rifle is new to me and I'm not super consistent bring it to the shoulder offhand.
The rest of of the visit was me shooting .22lr out of my CZ P07. By the time I got there, the range was almost empty, which is what I needed to relax and de-stress. Got some good groups, too. I plan on doing more double tap drills with it. At 7 yards, everything was going into a three inch target.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 17, 2019 07:54 PM (d1uFV)
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Just donated Elise Stefanik, not much, I dont have a lot, but let's get her some donations
Posted by: lousagirl at November 17, 2019 07:55 PM (+dLD3)
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I am not Joe Biden in disguise.
Posted by: parker at November 17, 2019 07:43 PM (kO3Bf)
Glad you caught the reference.
Posted by: parker at November 17, 2019 07:43 PM (kO3Bf)
Glad you caught the reference.
Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 07:55 PM (iy171)
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126
I would want to report the complaining neighbor for attempting to
deprive Americans of their inalienable, God-given right to defend
themselves.
Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 07:50 PM (iy171)
A-hole neighbor and I had a land dispute this summer, just to make things more interesting. I wanted to fence in my back yard, he didn't want to see any fencing. Tried to make things difficult for me to get the fence installed. Then he took down the survey markers I paid to have put in. That time he got the po-po called on him.
I would want to report the complaining neighbor for attempting to
deprive Americans of their inalienable, God-given right to defend
themselves.
Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 07:50 PM (iy171)
A-hole neighbor and I had a land dispute this summer, just to make things more interesting. I wanted to fence in my back yard, he didn't want to see any fencing. Tried to make things difficult for me to get the fence installed. Then he took down the survey markers I paid to have put in. That time he got the po-po called on him.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 17, 2019 07:55 PM (D3cJf)
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I'm not a NH native either, but truly appreciate the Live Free or Die creed. Truly pains me to see this state turn purple to almost blue.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed
Me neither. Escaped from oppressive CT to NH about six years ago for one single reason...gun control regs implemented after Sandy Hook in CT was not sustainable for my family.
Fun observation...five of the six houses on my street that have been sold in the last two years were sold to MA residents.
Three of them planted signs for and held fundraisers in their homes for Democrat candidates within six months of moving in. One of the candidates was a huge proponent of a state income tax, which oddly enough, is usually why people move to NH--no state income tax. Arg!
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed
Me neither. Escaped from oppressive CT to NH about six years ago for one single reason...gun control regs implemented after Sandy Hook in CT was not sustainable for my family.
Fun observation...five of the six houses on my street that have been sold in the last two years were sold to MA residents.
Three of them planted signs for and held fundraisers in their homes for Democrat candidates within six months of moving in. One of the candidates was a huge proponent of a state income tax, which oddly enough, is usually why people move to NH--no state income tax. Arg!
Posted by: squeakywheel at November 17, 2019 07:55 PM (bE5f3)
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As an adult, I've never had a mailbox. Not the real kind. The modern, multi-box arrangement just doesn't seem right.
Posted by: bear
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That would really bug me. That was actually a deal breaker for me on a suburban house.
Posted by: bear
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That would really bug me. That was actually a deal breaker for me on a suburban house.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 07:56 PM (oeKeQ)
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24. ...RPL was VERY helpful in showing me the proper stance and how to best grip the gun.
You're holding it wrong!
You're holding it wrong!
Posted by: Waepnedmann at November 17, 2019 07:57 PM (R/nrk)
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And on ammo, I bought a case of TulaMax ammo.
Maybe the worst ammo I've gotten outside of some LAX ammo that wasn't crimped and had bullets literally falling out.
Anyway, back on to TulaMax, the ammo must have been out of spec for 9mm. I had some seriously bad jams with it, where the slide wouldn't move and the gunsmith had to wack on the slide with a rubber hammer.
Ironically, the XD9 was the one pistol I had that would devour it. So I shot the rest of the case off and haven't bought TulaMax since.
Maybe the worst ammo I've gotten outside of some LAX ammo that wasn't crimped and had bullets literally falling out.
Anyway, back on to TulaMax, the ammo must have been out of spec for 9mm. I had some seriously bad jams with it, where the slide wouldn't move and the gunsmith had to wack on the slide with a rubber hammer.
Ironically, the XD9 was the one pistol I had that would devour it. So I shot the rest of the case off and haven't bought TulaMax since.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 17, 2019 07:58 PM (d1uFV)
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136
I'm not a NH native either, but truly appreciate the Live Free or Die
creed. Truly pains me to see this state turn purple to almost blue.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed
Me neither. Escaped from oppressive CT to NH about six years ago
for one single reason...gun control regs implemented after Sandy Hook in
CT was not sustainable for my family.
Fun observation...five of the six houses on my street that have been sold in the last two years were sold to MA residents.
Three of them planted signs for and held fundraisers in their homes
for Democrat candidates within six months of moving in. One of the
candidates was a huge proponent of a state income tax, which oddly
enough, is usually why people move to NH--no state income tax. Arg!
Posted by: squeakywheel at November 17, 2019 07:55 PM (bE5f3)
Massholes are worse than locusts
I'm not a NH native either, but truly appreciate the Live Free or Die
creed. Truly pains me to see this state turn purple to almost blue.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed
Me neither. Escaped from oppressive CT to NH about six years ago
for one single reason...gun control regs implemented after Sandy Hook in
CT was not sustainable for my family.
Fun observation...five of the six houses on my street that have been sold in the last two years were sold to MA residents.
Three of them planted signs for and held fundraisers in their homes
for Democrat candidates within six months of moving in. One of the
candidates was a huge proponent of a state income tax, which oddly
enough, is usually why people move to NH--no state income tax. Arg!
Posted by: squeakywheel at November 17, 2019 07:55 PM (bE5f3)
Massholes are worse than locusts
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 17, 2019 07:58 PM (D3cJf)
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@111 some years ago- I am going to say this was 2000 - went to visit a friend who had a 400 acre farm in Southern MD. He said bring guns we can shoot so I did. We shot some (his range consisted of a field with a Plymouth Satellite in the middle of it). We got done and put the guns away. In my case in the trunk of my car.
We were sitting on the porch drinking some beer and the Sheriff rolled and asked about things. Said the neighbors had called about the shooting.
That was it, no real hassle but in retrospect I did not know the laws for transport etc in MD. I grew up in SC where riding around with loaded guns was pretty much de rigeur. Could have been a big deal.
Now I know never go north out of Virginia with firearms in the car.
We were sitting on the porch drinking some beer and the Sheriff rolled and asked about things. Said the neighbors had called about the shooting.
That was it, no real hassle but in retrospect I did not know the laws for transport etc in MD. I grew up in SC where riding around with loaded guns was pretty much de rigeur. Could have been a big deal.
Now I know never go north out of Virginia with firearms in the car.
Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 07:58 PM (ZfRYq)
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If you live in the country, you have a P.O.Box in town.
Posted by: Ben Had at November 17, 2019 07:58 PM (Sf7dd)
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80's music fan
I never considered that the primer could be reversed. What kind of factory are those commies running?
I never considered that the primer could be reversed. What kind of factory are those commies running?
Posted by: That Deplorable SOB Van Owen at November 17, 2019 07:58 PM (wZ9cV)
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The 365 is narrow and light and has 10 whole boolits in the magazine.
Posted by: blaster
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How is it for big hands? I would like something smaller than a full size 9 but need to be able to hold it.
Posted by: blaster
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How is it for big hands? I would like something smaller than a full size 9 but need to be able to hold it.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 07:58 PM (oeKeQ)
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After I retired 16 years ago we moved from Illinois to rural NE Iowa and I was glad to be rid of the FOID nonsense, but discovered to buy a handgun in Iowa I had to get a permit from the county sheriff. Fortunately, that did not have any effect on handguns i bought when I crossed the Big Muddy.
It seems states can have their own interpretation on the 2nd. F^%k that. If I want to carry concealed I don't need a permit. I'll carry concealed if I want, after all it is my party if I want to.
It seems states can have their own interpretation on the 2nd. F^%k that. If I want to carry concealed I don't need a permit. I'll carry concealed if I want, after all it is my party if I want to.
Posted by: parker at November 17, 2019 07:59 PM (kO3Bf)
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All -appreciate the insight on Tulammo. I've run maybe a box or two through my XD pistols without issue, but will stick with Federal and their variants.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 17, 2019 07:59 PM (D3cJf)
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Folks who are older than 29 may remember when mailboxes were painted olive drab.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 17, 2019 07:47 PM (CDGwz)
Were they not also painted dark blue at some time?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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The blue came much, much later. I believe around the 1976 Bicentennial.
Through the 50's and 60's they were olive drab, because Uncle Sam had a *lot* of leftover OD paint, and gave it to the P.O.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 17, 2019 07:47 PM (CDGwz)
Were they not also painted dark blue at some time?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon
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The blue came much, much later. I believe around the 1976 Bicentennial.
Through the 50's and 60's they were olive drab, because Uncle Sam had a *lot* of leftover OD paint, and gave it to the P.O.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 17, 2019 08:00 PM (xSo9G)
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Ironically, the XD9 was the one pistol I had that
would devour it. So I shot the rest of the case off and haven't bought
TulaMax since.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 17, 2019 07:58 PM (d1uFV)
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Again, I have never owned a gun I hated enough to feed it Tula ammo.
I see how cheap it is, and sometimes my friends and I talk about getting an AK and feeding it that rubbish just for fun, but I can't bring myself to do it. I'm a refined collector, sir. Good day to you!
would devour it. So I shot the rest of the case off and haven't bought
TulaMax since.
Posted by: Mark Andrew Edwards at November 17, 2019 07:58 PM (d1uFV)
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Again, I have never owned a gun I hated enough to feed it Tula ammo.
I see how cheap it is, and sometimes my friends and I talk about getting an AK and feeding it that rubbish just for fun, but I can't bring myself to do it. I'm a refined collector, sir. Good day to you!
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:00 PM (cfSRQ)
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Since brass has worked for a hundred years what was the driving force for these other metals?
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 17, 2019 08:00 PM (UQbq+)
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145
After I retired 16 years ago we moved from Illinois to rural NE Iowa and
I was glad to be rid of the FOID nonsense, but discovered to buy a
handgun in Iowa I had to get a permit from the county sheriff.
Fortunately, that did not have any effect on handguns i bought when I
crossed the Big Muddy.
It seems states can have their own interpretation on the 2nd. F^%k
that. If I want to carry concealed I don't need a permit. I'll carry
concealed if I want, after all it is my party if I want to.
Posted by: parker at November 17, 2019 07:59 PM (kO3Bf)
Stay out of MA and NY. Seriously. You will go to jail if caught with a firearm and no permit. In MA, you'll go to jail if they find a spent cartridge on the floor of your vehicle.
After I retired 16 years ago we moved from Illinois to rural NE Iowa and
I was glad to be rid of the FOID nonsense, but discovered to buy a
handgun in Iowa I had to get a permit from the county sheriff.
Fortunately, that did not have any effect on handguns i bought when I
crossed the Big Muddy.
It seems states can have their own interpretation on the 2nd. F^%k
that. If I want to carry concealed I don't need a permit. I'll carry
concealed if I want, after all it is my party if I want to.
Posted by: parker at November 17, 2019 07:59 PM (kO3Bf)
Stay out of MA and NY. Seriously. You will go to jail if caught with a firearm and no permit. In MA, you'll go to jail if they find a spent cartridge on the floor of your vehicle.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 17, 2019 08:00 PM (D3cJf)
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Can't draw in many states unless in imminent fear of mortal harm and even then be prepared to shell out 100k in defense fees as the state tries to grind you under their heel while letting thuggypants waddle off to some other crime scene.
In a May Issue State someone even seeing a holstered firearm, like opening a jacket or lifting a shirt, can be grounds for losing a license for life.
In a May Issue State someone even seeing a holstered firearm, like opening a jacket or lifting a shirt, can be grounds for losing a license for life.
Posted by: Oh no! Not the bees! at November 17, 2019 08:00 PM (N5dam)
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As for Sam's asshole youth, nicely dressed, nice car, nice camera and rude attitude indicates a spoiled brat spawn of some asshole with money, and possibly a son of a politician. Explains the arrogant entitlement attitude.
Posted by: kbdabear at November 17, 2019 08:01 PM (qAR6u)
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149 Since brass has worked for a hundred years what was the driving force for these other metals?
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 17, 2019 08:00 PM (UQbq+)
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Economics, I'd imagine.
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 17, 2019 08:00 PM (UQbq+)
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Economics, I'd imagine.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:02 PM (MVjcR)
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Report to whom?
Posted by: clutch at November 17, 2019 07:37 PM
Well ain't that the very scary part of Red Flag laws? Who is to say what some person might just make up because they think no one should be in possession of a firearm
Posted by: clutch at November 17, 2019 07:37 PM
Well ain't that the very scary part of Red Flag laws? Who is to say what some person might just make up because they think no one should be in possession of a firearm
Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 08:02 PM (ZCEU2)
Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 08:02 PM (NWiLs)
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Ola. Winston's Police bodyguard was a 1911 fan, hence probably why Winnie liked it as well. Maybe in .455 Ely.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:02 PM (bgJ0E)
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How is it for big hands? I would like something smaller than a full size 9 but need to be able to hold it.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 07:58 PM (oeKeQ)
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Since I have small, delicate and girlish hands, I find it very comfy, but you can get extended mags that help those with larger paws.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 07:58 PM (oeKeQ)
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Since I have small, delicate and girlish hands, I find it very comfy, but you can get extended mags that help those with larger paws.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:02 PM (cfSRQ)
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Sam didn't tell a lot. Where you live matters a great deal when it comes to drawing and firing.
From the details presented, the loudmouth made a threat but it is not clear whether the threat amounted to an imminent threat of serious bodily harm.
Is there a duty to retreat in this jurisdiction? Sam was outside and not inside a residence or business. Sam almost certainly had the opportunity to retreat. That matters.
I'm disinclined to shoot people over inconsequential matters. I probably would have ordered him off my property, gone inside and called the cops. And then I would have kept watch for the next few days to make sure the loudmouth didn't return for more mischief.
I'm assuming there are no security cameras and footage to back up any claims. Get some and install them. A little video is often worth $150K in legal costs.
It's a shame Sam had to deal with such a putz. But we all do from time to time.
From the details presented, the loudmouth made a threat but it is not clear whether the threat amounted to an imminent threat of serious bodily harm.
Is there a duty to retreat in this jurisdiction? Sam was outside and not inside a residence or business. Sam almost certainly had the opportunity to retreat. That matters.
I'm disinclined to shoot people over inconsequential matters. I probably would have ordered him off my property, gone inside and called the cops. And then I would have kept watch for the next few days to make sure the loudmouth didn't return for more mischief.
I'm assuming there are no security cameras and footage to back up any claims. Get some and install them. A little video is often worth $150K in legal costs.
It's a shame Sam had to deal with such a putz. But we all do from time to time.
Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 17, 2019 08:03 PM (+Kpte)
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155 Hey gun people!
*smooches Weasel*
Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 08:02 PM (NWiLs)
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*eyeroll*
*smooches Weasel*
Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 08:02 PM (NWiLs)
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*eyeroll*
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 17, 2019 08:03 PM (XVuno)
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155 Hey gun people!
*smooches Weasel*
Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 08:02 PM (NWiLs)
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Brohug, bro!
*smooches Weasel*
Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 08:02 PM (NWiLs)
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Brohug, bro!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:03 PM (MVjcR)
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116 102 92 JTB, there was a THR thread on Varget. The gist is that apparently some rumor is going around about a fire at the ADR plant in Australia that makes it. The rumor appears to be groundless from what folks would be in the know but people are panic buying it.
Posted by: whig at November 17, 2019 07:41 PM (MItID)
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The Australian plant that makes Varget has burned down a dozen times now, I think!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:45 PM (MVjcR)
What Mr Weasel said.
Posted by: whig at November 17, 2019 07:41 PM (MItID)
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The Australian plant that makes Varget has burned down a dozen times now, I think!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 07:45 PM (MVjcR)
What Mr Weasel said.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:04 PM (bgJ0E)
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Economics, I'd imagine.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:02 PM (MVjcR)
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Aluminum was big a while back. I remember buying it because it was cheaper, but of course no reloads.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:02 PM (MVjcR)
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Aluminum was big a while back. I remember buying it because it was cheaper, but of course no reloads.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:04 PM (cfSRQ)
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I've run a flaming metric shitte-tonne of TulAmmo through my now submerged SKS with no problems that I remember
I think the SKS would freak out if it was fed "good" ammo; it's never seen brass, just the TulAmmo steel-cased 7.62x39
that said, I do not ever run TulAmmo through anything else in the arsenal, lest the ghosts of John Moses Browning and/or Eugene Stoner rise up to smack me upside the head
I've run a flaming metric shitte-tonne of TulAmmo through my now submerged SKS with no problems that I remember
I think the SKS would freak out if it was fed "good" ammo; it's never seen brass, just the TulAmmo steel-cased 7.62x39
that said, I do not ever run TulAmmo through anything else in the arsenal, lest the ghosts of John Moses Browning and/or Eugene Stoner rise up to smack me upside the head
Posted by: AltonJackson at November 17, 2019 08:04 PM (KCxzN)
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How is it for big hands? I would like something smaller than a full size 9 but need to be able to hold it.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 07:58 PM (oeKeQ)
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Since I have small, delicate and girlish hands, I find
it very comfy, but you can get extended mags that help those with larger
paws.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:02 PM (cfSRQ)
I have a Springfield XD Mod2 compact. Came with two mags, one is an extended mag. Love it.
How is it for big hands? I would like something smaller than a full size 9 but need to be able to hold it.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 07:58 PM (oeKeQ)
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Since I have small, delicate and girlish hands, I find
it very comfy, but you can get extended mags that help those with larger
paws.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:02 PM (cfSRQ)
I have a Springfield XD Mod2 compact. Came with two mags, one is an extended mag. Love it.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 17, 2019 08:04 PM (D3cJf)
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What are good lubricants for shotguns? I've disassembled the entire works and need to clean and lube the receiver and need to make sure the firing pins are good and clean and free of some old crud.
Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 17, 2019 08:04 PM (+Kpte)
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Liberal Tears. No, seriously. Liberaltears dot net
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 17, 2019 08:06 PM (D3cJf)
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When I lived in CT, in order to get a concealed carry permit I had to have an NRA firearms safety training certificate, three letters of character reference, an application submitted to the Mayor of my Town, as well as all the fingerprinting and application stuff for the State/Fed background check. Had to wait for the Mayor to get around to looking at my application, then I had to go to an official town meeting and wait til they got to the permit applications--last item on the agenda--where my name was written and read into the public record for having been issued a concealed carry permit. Many barriers and invasion of privacy, to boot.
When I moved to NH, I went to the Town Police Department and showed them my CT cc license. Was issued the permit within a week.
When I moved to NH, I went to the Town Police Department and showed them my CT cc license. Was issued the permit within a week.
Posted by: squeakywheel at November 17, 2019 08:06 PM (bE5f3)
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28 I would imagine TulAmmo in an AK would be okay. Commie junk ammo in commie junk rifle. Match made in heaven.
Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 07:13 PM (ZfRYq)
Met the US Tula head dude at the last SHOT Show. Nice guy gave us some tee shirts. 9mm and 7.62 short always seems to work fine. Do not like steel cases thru my AR's tho.
Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 07:13 PM (ZfRYq)
Met the US Tula head dude at the last SHOT Show. Nice guy gave us some tee shirts. 9mm and 7.62 short always seems to work fine. Do not like steel cases thru my AR's tho.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:06 PM (bgJ0E)
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:07 PM (MVjcR)
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When I lived in CT, in order to get a concealed carry permit I had to
have an NRA firearms safety training certificate, three letters of
character reference, an application submitted to the Mayor of my Town,
as well as all the fingerprinting and application stuff for the
State/Fed background check. Had to wait for the Mayor to get around to
looking at my application, then I had to go to an official town meeting
and wait til they got to the permit applications--last item on the
agenda--where my name was written and read into the public record for
having been issued a concealed carry permit. Many barriers and invasion
of privacy, to boot.
When I moved to NH, I went to the Town Police Department and showed
them my CT cc license. Was issued the permit within a week.
Posted by: squeakywheel at November 17, 2019 08:06 PM (bE5f3)
And you have decent reciprocity. Be careful with Maine. If you want to go into any National Parks, spend the money and get a Maine permit. Becareful to never ever go south of the border.
When I lived in CT, in order to get a concealed carry permit I had to
have an NRA firearms safety training certificate, three letters of
character reference, an application submitted to the Mayor of my Town,
as well as all the fingerprinting and application stuff for the
State/Fed background check. Had to wait for the Mayor to get around to
looking at my application, then I had to go to an official town meeting
and wait til they got to the permit applications--last item on the
agenda--where my name was written and read into the public record for
having been issued a concealed carry permit. Many barriers and invasion
of privacy, to boot.
When I moved to NH, I went to the Town Police Department and showed
them my CT cc license. Was issued the permit within a week.
Posted by: squeakywheel at November 17, 2019 08:06 PM (bE5f3)
And you have decent reciprocity. Be careful with Maine. If you want to go into any National Parks, spend the money and get a Maine permit. Becareful to never ever go south of the border.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 17, 2019 08:08 PM (D3cJf)
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I no longer use Tula. It seems to be dirtier than other ammo. I stopped using aluminum because I had regular though infrequent FTF/FTE that I don't have with brass and nickel. It was like 1 in 50 to 1 in 100 problems but it was still a pain. And it didn't save that much in the end.
I suppose if I was going out for an all-day range trip with the intent to mag dump 1,000 rounds it might save a few bucks. Otherwise not worth it.
I tend to visit the range 3 to 4 times a month lately and usually shoot 50 to 100 .22lr and 10 to 20 9mm or about 20 to 50 9mm.
I suppose if I was going out for an all-day range trip with the intent to mag dump 1,000 rounds it might save a few bucks. Otherwise not worth it.
I tend to visit the range 3 to 4 times a month lately and usually shoot 50 to 100 .22lr and 10 to 20 9mm or about 20 to 50 9mm.
Posted by: WarEagle82 at November 17, 2019 08:08 PM (+Kpte)
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Back in the early '90s I had a Thompson Center Arms 50 cal Hawken muzzleloader that i used to some effect during the deer muzzleloader seasons. Nice pretty gun that shot well.
I sold it to my gun collector/enthusiast uncle when I moved out to Hawaii in '94, thinking if I ever moved back I could buy it back from him. Unfortunately he sold it before I did move back to WI, and TCA stopped making that model, and they have become kinda pricey now.
A few months ago my uncle told me the guy he sold that gun to may be selling it, would I be interested? Heck Yes! Then I found out no, actually the guy had sold it to someone else, but maybe that guy would sell it. Then I find out no, not for sale, but he has a CVA 50 cal for sale if I'm interested.
I figure, OK, I can't my old gun back, this CVA is nice, sure I'll buy it. Deer season is just around the corner, it's a nice gun, etc.
Friday night my uncle calls, he's got my old TCA gun for me! They tracked it down, got it, and tomorrow I go buy it from him for the same price I sold it to him 25 years ago! Unbelievable!
I am so stoked to be getting my old gun back, just before deer season!
I sold it to my gun collector/enthusiast uncle when I moved out to Hawaii in '94, thinking if I ever moved back I could buy it back from him. Unfortunately he sold it before I did move back to WI, and TCA stopped making that model, and they have become kinda pricey now.
A few months ago my uncle told me the guy he sold that gun to may be selling it, would I be interested? Heck Yes! Then I found out no, actually the guy had sold it to someone else, but maybe that guy would sell it. Then I find out no, not for sale, but he has a CVA 50 cal for sale if I'm interested.
I figure, OK, I can't my old gun back, this CVA is nice, sure I'll buy it. Deer season is just around the corner, it's a nice gun, etc.
Friday night my uncle calls, he's got my old TCA gun for me! They tracked it down, got it, and tomorrow I go buy it from him for the same price I sold it to him 25 years ago! Unbelievable!
I am so stoked to be getting my old gun back, just before deer season!
Posted by: davidt at November 17, 2019 08:09 PM (l3+k2)
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In fact there is a dead giveaway in the pistol photo of Winstons 1911. It will most likely be .455 not .45ACP due to what? Anyone like to guess?
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:10 PM (bgJ0E)
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@144 my wife has small womanly hands and it works well for her.
My hands are not small. Perfectly sized, really, Beautiful hands. But hard to describe as big. It works for me.
One of the mags has an extension for pinkies. No swappable back straps so I have to say you'll just have to try it.
My hands are not small. Perfectly sized, really, Beautiful hands. But hard to describe as big. It works for me.
One of the mags has an extension for pinkies. No swappable back straps so I have to say you'll just have to try it.
Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 08:10 PM (ZfRYq)
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:10 PM (MVjcR)
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What are good lubricants for shotguns?
Posted by: WarEagle82
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Semi auto or break action? It makes a difference. For a break action CLP is a great friction reducer. On semis I recommend Birchwood Casey lubricant. The CLP is like Slick 50 for guns and works well on the pinion of a double barrel, but might not be great on a semi.
Posted by: WarEagle82
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Semi auto or break action? It makes a difference. For a break action CLP is a great friction reducer. On semis I recommend Birchwood Casey lubricant. The CLP is like Slick 50 for guns and works well on the pinion of a double barrel, but might not be great on a semi.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 08:11 PM (oeKeQ)
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In fact there is a dead giveaway in the pistol photo
of Winstons 1911. It will most likely be .455 not .45ACP due to what?
Anyone like to guess?
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:10 PM (bgJ0E)
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The British are retarded when it comes to firearms?
of Winstons 1911. It will most likely be .455 not .45ACP due to what?
Anyone like to guess?
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:10 PM (bgJ0E)
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The British are retarded when it comes to firearms?
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:11 PM (cfSRQ)
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Point of clarification: the Brits are retarded in particular when it comes to hand guns.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:12 PM (cfSRQ)
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I might be heading to NH next year. RPL and Weasel suggested going to the Sig Academy there.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 17, 2019 08:12 PM (ZfBVE)
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Weasel @ 121. Yeah, t'was. We'd left our blind up with the goose dekes inside to save time this AM. We got out there and just pulled everything down and went home.
There's other days. Right now, my setter wants some ice. BRB
McGyver, over
There's other days. Right now, my setter wants some ice. BRB
McGyver, over
Posted by: McGyver at November 17, 2019 08:12 PM (gMngZ)
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177 In fact there is a dead giveaway in the pistol photo
of Winstons 1911. It will most likely be .455 not .45ACP due to what?
Anyone like to guess?
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:10 PM (bgJ0E)
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The British are retarded when it comes to firearms?
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:11 PM (cfSRQ)
Well thats an answer I guess. Not the one I was thinking of but its an answer.
of Winstons 1911. It will most likely be .455 not .45ACP due to what?
Anyone like to guess?
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:10 PM (bgJ0E)
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The British are retarded when it comes to firearms?
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:11 PM (cfSRQ)
Well thats an answer I guess. Not the one I was thinking of but its an answer.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:12 PM (bgJ0E)
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Since brass has worked for a hundred years what was the driving force for these other metals?
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 17, 2019 08:00 PM (UQbq+)
Costs and extraction issues.
I have a Cetme which will stick a brass round when it gets dirty, say after 200 rounds, but steel rounds extract all day long.
Posted by: Anna Puma at November 17, 2019 08:00 PM (UQbq+)
Costs and extraction issues.
I have a Cetme which will stick a brass round when it gets dirty, say after 200 rounds, but steel rounds extract all day long.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 17, 2019 08:13 PM (Z+IKu)
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Becareful to never ever go south of the border.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed
Good advice, thank you. MA is a no-go zone for me when carrying firearms. I don't take the risk, but I have friends who think nothing of throwing their legal firearms in their campers and traveling through many states, tempting fate in the worst of ways. They don't listen to me when I tell them they are really asking for it.
Yikes!
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed
Good advice, thank you. MA is a no-go zone for me when carrying firearms. I don't take the risk, but I have friends who think nothing of throwing their legal firearms in their campers and traveling through many states, tempting fate in the worst of ways. They don't listen to me when I tell them they are really asking for it.
Yikes!
Posted by: squeakywheel at November 17, 2019 08:13 PM (bE5f3)
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Metric 1911?
Posted by: davidt at November 17, 2019 08:13 PM (l3+k2)
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184 Metric 1911?
Posted by: davidt at November 17, 2019 08:13 PM (l3+k2)
Good try, but that would be a Star Modelo B.
Posted by: davidt at November 17, 2019 08:13 PM (l3+k2)
Good try, but that would be a Star Modelo B.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:14 PM (bgJ0E)
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Good try, but that would be a Star Modelo B.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:14 PM (bgJ0E)
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Thought that was beer!
Good try, but that would be a Star Modelo B.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:14 PM (bgJ0E)
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Thought that was beer!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:14 PM (MVjcR)
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No, the green mail boxes were larger, and not for outgoing mail. They were called "Relay Boxes" and contained letters and parcels for walking routes. They were setup in a location for efficiency having been delivered by vehicle. In those days, the carriers didn't each have their own Jeep or whatever.
Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 08:15 PM (HddOg)
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I had a big mook come at me in a library parking lot screaming all kinds of shit he was going to do to me. My offense. I parked in a spot and his car was trailing mine. Guess he wanted me to just pass it up and give it to him. When he got real close and flailing his arms, I patted my hip where I carry iwb and told him it would be a very bad idea. He got the message and I never had to display. I was damn close though.
Posted by: fish...thelowercaseone at November 17, 2019 08:15 PM (2johV)
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Good try, but that would be a Star Modelo B.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:14 PM
in 38 Super, probably
Good try, but that would be a Star Modelo B.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:14 PM
in 38 Super, probably
Posted by: AltonJackson at November 17, 2019 08:15 PM (KCxzN)
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Well thats an answer I guess. Not the one I was thinking of but its an answer.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:12 PM (bgJ0E)
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One of my parlour games with gun enthusiasts I meet is to challenge them to name one significant British handgun design of the 20th century.
Something that other nations looked at and said "Wow, we need that!"
The Germans did it. Obviously Browning did it.
The Brits used frickin' *revolvers* until after World War II when the Canucks basically force-fed them the Hi Power. What do they use now, Glocks?
QED.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:12 PM (bgJ0E)
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One of my parlour games with gun enthusiasts I meet is to challenge them to name one significant British handgun design of the 20th century.
Something that other nations looked at and said "Wow, we need that!"
The Germans did it. Obviously Browning did it.
The Brits used frickin' *revolvers* until after World War II when the Canucks basically force-fed them the Hi Power. What do they use now, Glocks?
QED.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:16 PM (cfSRQ)
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'cause the Spanish are even more retardeder than the British when it comes to firearms
'cause the Spanish are even more retardeder than the British when it comes to firearms
Posted by: AltonJackson at November 17, 2019 08:16 PM (KCxzN)
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Thought that was beer!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:14 PM (MVjcR)
I may not be a smart man, but I know what ... beer is.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:14 PM (MVjcR)
I may not be a smart man, but I know what ... beer is.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:16 PM (bgJ0E)
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I may not be a smart man, but I know what ... beer is.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:16 PM (bgJ0E)
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Heh. *clink!*
I may not be a smart man, but I know what ... beer is.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:16 PM (bgJ0E)
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Heh. *clink!*
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:17 PM (MVjcR)
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I'm out
Breakfast is at 4am so stop on by
Breakfast is at 4am so stop on by
Posted by: Skip at November 17, 2019 08:18 PM (ZCEU2)
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One of my parlour games with gun enthusiasts I meet is to challenge them to name one significant British handgun design of the 20th century.
The self cocking Webley- Fosbery!!!
One of my parlour games with gun enthusiasts I meet is to challenge them to name one significant British handgun design of the 20th century.
The self cocking Webley- Fosbery!!!
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:18 PM (bgJ0E)
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'Night, Skip!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:18 PM (MVjcR)
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g'night, Skip
g'night, Skip
Posted by: AltonJackson at November 17, 2019 08:19 PM (KCxzN)
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'cause the Spanish are even more retardeder than the British when it comes to firearms
Posted by: AltonJackson at November 17, 2019 08:16 PM (KCxzN)
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I disagree. The Spanish Astras were solid - so much so the Germans bought them by the crate.
Who wanted British pistols...ever?
It's fascinating to look at a Luger or a 1911 and then look at a Webley Mk VI and think that they were all on the same battlefield. Which one looks badly out of date?
Posted by: AltonJackson at November 17, 2019 08:16 PM (KCxzN)
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I disagree. The Spanish Astras were solid - so much so the Germans bought them by the crate.
Who wanted British pistols...ever?
It's fascinating to look at a Luger or a 1911 and then look at a Webley Mk VI and think that they were all on the same battlefield. Which one looks badly out of date?
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:19 PM (cfSRQ)
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187 No, the green mail boxes were larger, and not for outgoing mail. They were called "Relay Boxes" and contained letters and parcels for walking routes. They were setup in a location for efficiency having been delivered by vehicle. In those days, the carriers didn't each have their own Jeep or whatever.
Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 08:15 PM (HddOg)
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This man knows of what he speaks.
Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 08:15 PM (HddOg)
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This man knows of what he speaks.
Posted by: John Kasich, Son of a Son of a Mailman at November 17, 2019 08:19 PM (XVuno)
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The self cocking Webley- Fosbery!!!
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:18 PM (bgJ0E)
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*Raises glass*
Well played.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:18 PM (bgJ0E)
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*Raises glass*
Well played.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:20 PM (cfSRQ)
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Our arms room still had S&W .38 revolvers for aircrews in inventory when I was in, though Berettas were issued. The idea was to avoid FOD issues with expensed brass. Funny, they used air M60s, which did contain spent brass, sort of.
Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 08:21 PM (HddOg)
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Good evening Boomers! What's happening, watching MASH reruns and spinning the White album?
Posted by: Percy Kilbride at November 17, 2019 08:22 PM (Fxgkp)
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Our arms room still had SW .38 revolvers for
aircrews in inventory when I was in, though Berettas were issued. The
idea was to avoid FOD issues with expensed brass. Funny, they used air
M60s, which did contain spent brass, sort of.
Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 08:21 PM (HddOg)
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Not FOD, but revolvers don't leave brass behind, which can help with SERE.
There's still the bang, but sound can be deceptive. Just a thought.
aircrews in inventory when I was in, though Berettas were issued. The
idea was to avoid FOD issues with expensed brass. Funny, they used air
M60s, which did contain spent brass, sort of.
Posted by: Common Tater at November 17, 2019 08:21 PM (HddOg)
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Not FOD, but revolvers don't leave brass behind, which can help with SERE.
There's still the bang, but sound can be deceptive. Just a thought.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:23 PM (cfSRQ)
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right, the Astras were solid
The Spanish had restrictions on the citizenry using "military" calibers, so they built 1911 clones in 38 Super
I used to go to a plate shoot a couple times per month; there was a guy shooting a Star Modelo B in 38 Super
you should have seen him chase his brass...
right, the Astras were solid
The Spanish had restrictions on the citizenry using "military" calibers, so they built 1911 clones in 38 Super
I used to go to a plate shoot a couple times per month; there was a guy shooting a Star Modelo B in 38 Super
you should have seen him chase his brass...
Posted by: AltonJackson at November 17, 2019 08:24 PM (KCxzN)
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My unit as I think the last in the active army (not counting SF) with 1911s on the MTOE.
I had a Korea era 1911 that rattled like, well, a rattle. We had on range incident where one of the 1911s went full auto. That was...exciting.
I had a Korea era 1911 that rattled like, well, a rattle. We had on range incident where one of the 1911s went full auto. That was...exciting.
Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 08:24 PM (ZfRYq)
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Mr. Van Owen, I hate to cut the commies any slack, but it can happen to anyone. Re reversed primer in mass production.
Posted by: 80's music fan at November 17, 2019 08:25 PM (glGDV)
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An imported High Power in all black is going for right at 1K locally. I want it and have the money, but don't really need it as much as a thermal or ngv. Horns of a de la emu ain't it?
Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2019 08:25 PM (UUkQp)
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Churchill, huh? Like some other boss we know, not a pearl handle in sight.
Posted by: GWB at November 17, 2019 08:25 PM (7wfSc)
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No, the green mail boxes were larger, and not for outgoing mail. They were called "Relay Boxes" and contained letters and parcels for walking routes. They were setup in a location for efficiency having been delivered by vehicle. In those days, the carriers didn't each have their own Jeep or whatever.
Posted by: Common Tater
There used to be one of those near where I used to live. They don't have an opening in the top.
No, the green mail boxes were larger, and not for outgoing mail. They were called "Relay Boxes" and contained letters and parcels for walking routes. They were setup in a location for efficiency having been delivered by vehicle. In those days, the carriers didn't each have their own Jeep or whatever.
Posted by: Common Tater
There used to be one of those near where I used to live. They don't have an opening in the top.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2019 08:26 PM (aKsyK)
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Incidentally, a 'menter asked yesterday why the fascists have such a hard-on for Andy Ngo -- probably because he makes youtube videos such as "Who Are Behind The Masks of Antifa," and shows the faces of the fascists.
Incidentally, a 'menter asked yesterday why the fascists have such a hard-on for Andy Ngo -- probably because he makes youtube videos such as "Who Are Behind The Masks of Antifa," and shows the faces of the fascists.
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 17, 2019 08:27 PM (5YDPz)
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The Spanish had restrictions on the citizenry using "military" calibers, so they built 1911 clones in 38 Super
Posted by: AltonJackson at November 17, 2019 08:24 PM (KCxzN)
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They also built some C96 knock-offs - pinned not fitted - in 7.63mm IIRC. They are out there, and less expensive than the real thing. No idea how they shoot.
Note: check your spam folder - I've sent you some emails, never heard back.
The Spanish had restrictions on the citizenry using "military" calibers, so they built 1911 clones in 38 Super
Posted by: AltonJackson at November 17, 2019 08:24 PM (KCxzN)
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They also built some C96 knock-offs - pinned not fitted - in 7.63mm IIRC. They are out there, and less expensive than the real thing. No idea how they shoot.
Note: check your spam folder - I've sent you some emails, never heard back.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:28 PM (cfSRQ)
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Give up? OK . The giveaway is the little metal loop on the base of the mag. Found on 1911 chambered in .455 Ely.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:29 PM (bgJ0E)
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will do, A.H.
will do, A.H.
Posted by: AltonJackson at November 17, 2019 08:29 PM (KCxzN)
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Earlier today I saw a topic on The High Road. Lee Precision is coming out with a new single stage press call ed the APP: Automatic Processing Press. It's a new design and can be used to process cases and bullets. The suggested prices are are quite reasonable. The comments of experienced reloaders were enthusiastic. It might be worth checking out although they won't be taking orders until December 2 and expect to ship late December. It looks interesting.
Just FYI.
Just FYI.
Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 08:29 PM (bmdz3)
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13 An item for discussion is whether firing hundreds of rounds at a range session is the best method, versus a lower round count and more frequent visits. Since I don't pay for range time, I prefer option two. I feel that it helps my muscle memory to do it this way.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 07:08 PM (xPhgI)
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Anyone care to take a swing at this question?
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 07:08 PM (xPhgI)
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Anyone care to take a swing at this question?
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:33 PM (eShRD)
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which can help with SERE.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:23 PM (cfSRQ)
A story from a downed flyer in Vietnam (I heard this tale from his own mouth):
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Having been shot down the man was wounded as he hit trees on his descent in the parachute. He popped out of his chute and pulled himself back up against a tree, and got out his issue .38.
A moment later a VC emerged from the trees with his AK47 at the ready. Our hero said he thought he could shoot the VC before the VC got him.
A fraction of a second later...
(He specifies this whole thing took less than a few seconds.)
another VC emerges from the tree line about 30 degrees from the first. Our hero says he's thinking "I can easily shoot both of them before one shoots me."
A fraction of a second later, a few more emerged on the opposite 30 degrees. He says he's still thinking "I can shoot them all before they get me. I'm a crack shot."
As a few more emerge on something more like 90 degrees from the first guy, he said his brain (remember this has taken not but a second or two) was trying to encourage him that he could shoot 5, reload, and then shoot the last few `before they shot him~."
About that time at least one VC came up behind him and did the best thing that could have happened: thwocked him on the noggin with his AK-47. He swore that act saved his life.
***
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:23 PM (cfSRQ)
A story from a downed flyer in Vietnam (I heard this tale from his own mouth):
***
Having been shot down the man was wounded as he hit trees on his descent in the parachute. He popped out of his chute and pulled himself back up against a tree, and got out his issue .38.
A moment later a VC emerged from the trees with his AK47 at the ready. Our hero said he thought he could shoot the VC before the VC got him.
A fraction of a second later...
(He specifies this whole thing took less than a few seconds.)
another VC emerges from the tree line about 30 degrees from the first. Our hero says he's thinking "I can easily shoot both of them before one shoots me."
A fraction of a second later, a few more emerged on the opposite 30 degrees. He says he's still thinking "I can shoot them all before they get me. I'm a crack shot."
As a few more emerge on something more like 90 degrees from the first guy, he said his brain (remember this has taken not but a second or two) was trying to encourage him that he could shoot 5, reload, and then shoot the last few `before they shot him~."
About that time at least one VC came up behind him and did the best thing that could have happened: thwocked him on the noggin with his AK-47. He swore that act saved his life.
***
Posted by: GWB at November 17, 2019 08:34 PM (7wfSc)
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215 13 An item for discussion is whether firing hundreds of rounds at a range session is the best method, versus a lower round count and more frequent visits. Since I don't pay for range time, I prefer option two. I feel that it helps my muscle memory to do it this way.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 07:08 PM (xPhgI)
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Anyone care to take a swing at this question?
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:33 PM (eShRD)
*picks up axe*
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 07:08 PM (xPhgI)
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Anyone care to take a swing at this question?
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:33 PM (eShRD)
*picks up axe*
Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 08:34 PM (NWiLs)
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Anyone care to take a swing at this question?
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:33 PM (eShRD)
Key there is the "I don't pay for range time".
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:33 PM (eShRD)
Key there is the "I don't pay for range time".
Posted by: GWB at November 17, 2019 08:36 PM (7wfSc)
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An item for discussion is whether firing hundreds of rounds at a range session is the best method, versus a lower round count and more frequent visits. Since I don't pay for range time, I prefer option two. I feel that it helps my muscle memory to do it this way.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 07:08 PM (xPhgI)
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Anyone care to take a swing at this question?
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:33 PM (eShRD)
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I'm inclined to agree. More frequent visits with a reasonable round count (100? 150?) during each.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 07:08 PM (xPhgI)
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Anyone care to take a swing at this question?
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:33 PM (eShRD)
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I'm inclined to agree. More frequent visits with a reasonable round count (100? 150?) during each.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:37 PM (eShRD)
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Give up? OK . The giveaway is the little metal loop on the base of the mag. Found on 1911 chambered in .455 Ely.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:29 PM (bgJ0E)
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So what you're saying is the British took a successful design and decided to rechamber it in one of their esoteric calibers.
Yeah. Retarded.
Give up? OK . The giveaway is the little metal loop on the base of the mag. Found on 1911 chambered in .455 Ely.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:29 PM (bgJ0E)
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So what you're saying is the British took a successful design and decided to rechamber it in one of their esoteric calibers.
Yeah. Retarded.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:37 PM (cfSRQ)
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I as well swear by the Churchill War Rooms in London.
No range visits as of yet - working temp jobs, until such time as a civilian employer decided that yes, I CAN work a full-time job. But soon!
No range visits as of yet - working temp jobs, until such time as a civilian employer decided that yes, I CAN work a full-time job. But soon!
Posted by: Catch Thirty-Thr33 at November 17, 2019 08:38 PM (iLprN)
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13 ... "An item for discussion is whether firing hundreds of rounds at a range session is the best method, versus a lower round count and more frequent visits. Since I don't pay for range time, I prefer option two. I feel that it helps my muscle memory to do it this way."
I favor more frequent visits to the range. Except for rapid fire training, I work to make each round count, concentrating on technique. I'm used to that approach from shooting muzzleloaders and don't find it onerous. But I know people who would go crazy at the slower pace.
I favor more frequent visits to the range. Except for rapid fire training, I work to make each round count, concentrating on technique. I'm used to that approach from shooting muzzleloaders and don't find it onerous. But I know people who would go crazy at the slower pace.
Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 08:41 PM (bmdz3)
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Give up? OK . The giveaway is the little metal loop on the base of the mag. Found on 1911 chambered in .455 Ely.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:29 PM (bgJ0E)
Nice! Thanks NZFrank!.......
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:29 PM (bgJ0E)
Nice! Thanks NZFrank!.......
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 17, 2019 08:41 PM (Z+IKu)
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"92
One of the results of the last component shortage was finding powders
that could do what you needed if your usual powder wasn't available
which it often wasn't. This came to mind for a couple of reasons this
week. First, I noticed nobody has Varget powder for sale or even for
back order. I don't use it myself but it is popular. Questions are being
asked about why the shortage and what will do the same job. Second, I
found I have about 10 pounds of SR4759 powder, which was discontinued
several years ago. It's a classic powder and is especially useful for
mild cast bullet loads in rifles. Okay, I've got plenty for a lot of
loads but what if I didn't.
This is the time to plan and lay in supplies. Also, to rethink what
powders are more valuable for their versatility. If needed, I could do
90 percent of my reloading with Bullseye and Unique powders. Adding Red
Dot powder expands things tremendously. Does that mean you don't use the
many other powders. Nope. In the case of SR4759, AA5744 can stand in.
Red Dot is a very versatile powder but Promo has an identical burn rate
and pressure curve, can use Red Dot numbers BY WEIGHT not by volume, is
usually inexpensive and was available after Red Dot disappeared from the
shelves a few years ago.
Actually, I had fun learning more about the history and properties of so many powders. Yes I am a reloading nerd.
Just some things to consider.
Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 07:37 PM (bmdz3)"
..
..
If one reloads, it's very important to work up alternate loads and keep good notes.
It's also very important - and I have mentioned this before - for anyone with any sort of precision rifle to gather ballistic data on several common loads they might find should ammo get scarce. Shoot a few rounds, measure offset from your regular POI, chrono it.. modern ballistics software can take that data and give you usable dope out past 1k, no problem.
There is also utility in having half a box each of half a dozen different loads of stuff you don't stock and otherwise don't possess. Use your imagination.
One of the results of the last component shortage was finding powders
that could do what you needed if your usual powder wasn't available
which it often wasn't. This came to mind for a couple of reasons this
week. First, I noticed nobody has Varget powder for sale or even for
back order. I don't use it myself but it is popular. Questions are being
asked about why the shortage and what will do the same job. Second, I
found I have about 10 pounds of SR4759 powder, which was discontinued
several years ago. It's a classic powder and is especially useful for
mild cast bullet loads in rifles. Okay, I've got plenty for a lot of
loads but what if I didn't.
This is the time to plan and lay in supplies. Also, to rethink what
powders are more valuable for their versatility. If needed, I could do
90 percent of my reloading with Bullseye and Unique powders. Adding Red
Dot powder expands things tremendously. Does that mean you don't use the
many other powders. Nope. In the case of SR4759, AA5744 can stand in.
Red Dot is a very versatile powder but Promo has an identical burn rate
and pressure curve, can use Red Dot numbers BY WEIGHT not by volume, is
usually inexpensive and was available after Red Dot disappeared from the
shelves a few years ago.
Actually, I had fun learning more about the history and properties of so many powders. Yes I am a reloading nerd.
Just some things to consider.
Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 07:37 PM (bmdz3)"
..
..
If one reloads, it's very important to work up alternate loads and keep good notes.
It's also very important - and I have mentioned this before - for anyone with any sort of precision rifle to gather ballistic data on several common loads they might find should ammo get scarce. Shoot a few rounds, measure offset from your regular POI, chrono it.. modern ballistics software can take that data and give you usable dope out past 1k, no problem.
There is also utility in having half a box each of half a dozen different loads of stuff you don't stock and otherwise don't possess. Use your imagination.
Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at November 17, 2019 08:41 PM (67XdO)
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Give up? OK . The giveaway is the little metal loop on the base of the mag. Found on 1911 chambered in .455 Ely.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:29 PM (bgJ0E)
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Well what do you know. I've seen that loop before but never knew the reason. Thanks!
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:29 PM (bgJ0E)
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Well what do you know. I've seen that loop before but never knew the reason. Thanks!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:41 PM (eShRD)
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Re Sam's story. This video isnt helpful, but it points to how bad things can escalate. The idiot in this vid had robbed a store and was back at an apartment complex with his gf when confronted by the apartment manager over where she had parked.
This kid had a gun and the manager was totally unaware of who he was confronting. This was Dec of 2017. The kid pulled out a gun, shot it in the ground yet the manager just got more pissed off!
Cops ended up chasing the hoodlum to a local park and several cops put him down when he reached for his weapon.
https://youtu.be/4G-0jrcqz-g
At least Sam's case resolved itself fairly smoothly...
This kid had a gun and the manager was totally unaware of who he was confronting. This was Dec of 2017. The kid pulled out a gun, shot it in the ground yet the manager just got more pissed off!
Cops ended up chasing the hoodlum to a local park and several cops put him down when he reached for his weapon.
https://youtu.be/4G-0jrcqz-g
At least Sam's case resolved itself fairly smoothly...
Posted by: Mike in Seattle at November 17, 2019 08:44 PM (nOj6h)
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In comment 222 I should have specified that I don't pay for range time except for the annual dues of the club. I suppose that makes a difference.
Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 08:45 PM (bmdz3)
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My unit as I think the last in the active army (not counting SF) with 1911s on the MTOE.
I had a Korea era 1911 that rattled like, well, a rattle. We had on
range incident where one of the 1911s went full auto. That
was...exciting.
Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 08:24 PM (ZfRYq)
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my CA ARNG unit had 1911's up until just before the turn of the century...
i may very well have been the last person in BDUs to carry a 1911A1 in he field. i was the armorer, so i issued everyone their Beretta, then signed out a Colt for personal carry.
because i could.
I had a Korea era 1911 that rattled like, well, a rattle. We had on
range incident where one of the 1911s went full auto. That
was...exciting.
Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 08:24 PM (ZfRYq)
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my CA ARNG unit had 1911's up until just before the turn of the century...
i may very well have been the last person in BDUs to carry a 1911A1 in he field. i was the armorer, so i issued everyone their Beretta, then signed out a Colt for personal carry.
because i could.
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 17, 2019 08:45 PM (NqeSm)
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I'm a refined collector, sir. Good day to you!
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:00 PM (cfSRQ)
You forgot the "*sniff*"
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:00 PM (cfSRQ)
You forgot the "*sniff*"
Posted by: GWB at November 17, 2019 08:46 PM (7wfSc)
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May I venture off-topic tonight long enough to ask the resident Horde experts how to search for a topic mentioned in the comments of a forgotten AoS post, please? It was in the last month, but I do not recall the post title, just a phrase in a comment.
Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 08:46 PM (i/wJA)
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The giveaway is the little metal loop on the base of the mag. Found on 1911 chambered in .455 Ely.
Posted by: NZFrank
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Interesting. I assumed it was for a lanyard even though cavalry was extinct. Of course, ships carried masts long after the arrival of steam.
Posted by: NZFrank
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Interesting. I assumed it was for a lanyard even though cavalry was extinct. Of course, ships carried masts long after the arrival of steam.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 08:46 PM (oeKeQ)
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230 May I venture off-topic tonight long enough to ask the resident Horde experts how to search for a topic mentioned in the comments of a forgotten AoS post, please? It was in the last month, but I do not recall the post title, just a phrase in a comment.
Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 08:46 PM (i/wJA)
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No problemo. Anyone?
Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 08:46 PM (i/wJA)
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No problemo. Anyone?
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:47 PM (eShRD)
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Give up? OK . The giveaway is the little metal loop on the base of the mag. Found on 1911 chambered in .455 Ely.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:29 PM (bgJ0E)
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we have a 1911, or maybe two, that have a loop on the magazine... one has, IIRC, British proof stamps, but a sillivillian serial number.....
now i've gotta dig them out and have them checked.
my understanding was that the loop was originally for US Cav troopers, so they could eject the empty in a melee, and not lose it.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:29 PM (bgJ0E)
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we have a 1911, or maybe two, that have a loop on the magazine... one has, IIRC, British proof stamps, but a sillivillian serial number.....
now i've gotta dig them out and have them checked.
my understanding was that the loop was originally for US Cav troopers, so they could eject the empty in a melee, and not lose it.
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 17, 2019 08:48 PM (NqeSm)
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Well what do you know. I've seen that loop before but never knew the reason. Thanks!
Most likely what you've seen -- and what I mistook the loop in the pic for until Frank made me go back and look -- is a lanyard loop on the mainspring housing. I think that was common on early 1911s and A1s. The Brit weirdness is putting it on the magazine.
Most likely what you've seen -- and what I mistook the loop in the pic for until Frank made me go back and look -- is a lanyard loop on the mainspring housing. I think that was common on early 1911s and A1s. The Brit weirdness is putting it on the magazine.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 08:48 PM (qc+VF)
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Well what do you know. I've seen that loop before but never knew the reason. Thanks!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:41 PM (eShRD)
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Striking a blow for the Commonwealth!
*Tips bowler hat*
On a less flip note, I actually have a Webley VI and like it a lot. It just seems a little out of place as a battlefield weapon.
OTOH, we've seen how my Dreyse and C96 have given me fits and the Webley has never had a single issue. Load it and it goes bang on demand. So there's that.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:41 PM (eShRD)
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Striking a blow for the Commonwealth!
*Tips bowler hat*
On a less flip note, I actually have a Webley VI and like it a lot. It just seems a little out of place as a battlefield weapon.
OTOH, we've seen how my Dreyse and C96 have given me fits and the Webley has never had a single issue. Load it and it goes bang on demand. So there's that.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:48 PM (cfSRQ)
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So what you're saying is the British took a successful design and decided to rechamber it in one of their esoteric calibers.
Yeah. Retarded.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:37 PM (cfSRQ)
Pfffftt. The manly and noble.455 beats the low powered and effeminate .45
*Refuses to don helmet and stares laconically at the incoming*
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So what you're saying is the British took a successful design and decided to rechamber it in one of their esoteric calibers.
Yeah. Retarded.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:37 PM (cfSRQ)
Pfffftt. The manly and noble.455 beats the low powered and effeminate .45
*Refuses to don helmet and stares laconically at the incoming*
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:48 PM (bgJ0E)
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Most likely what you've seen -- and what I mistook the loop in the pic for until Frank made me go back and look -- is a lanyard loop on the mainspring housing. I think that was common on early 1911s and A1s. The Brit weirdness is putting it on the magazine.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 08:48 PM (qc+VF)
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You're right!
Most likely what you've seen -- and what I mistook the loop in the pic for until Frank made me go back and look -- is a lanyard loop on the mainspring housing. I think that was common on early 1911s and A1s. The Brit weirdness is putting it on the magazine.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 08:48 PM (qc+VF)
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You're right!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:49 PM (eShRD)
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Thank you, Weasel. You are a gracious host.
Youse guys are making me really want to go try out the p365.
Youse guys are making me really want to go try out the p365.
Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 08:49 PM (i/wJA)
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238 Thank you, Weasel. You are a gracious host.
Youse guys are making me really want to go try out the p365.
Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 08:49 PM (i/wJA)
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Aw, shucks!
You should try the P365!
Youse guys are making me really want to go try out the p365.
Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 08:49 PM (i/wJA)
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Aw, shucks!
You should try the P365!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:51 PM (eShRD)
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239 238 Thank you, Weasel. You are a gracious host.
Youse guys are making me really want to go try out the p365.
Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 08:49 PM (i/wJA)
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Aw, shucks!
You should try the P365!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:51 PM (eShRD)
And the veal.
Youse guys are making me really want to go try out the p365.
Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 08:49 PM (i/wJA)
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Aw, shucks!
You should try the P365!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:51 PM (eShRD)
And the veal.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 08:51 PM (NWiLs)
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230 May I venture off-topic tonight long enough to ask the resident Horde experts how to search for a topic mentioned in the comments of a forgotten AoS post, please?
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Sure. What's your question?
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Sure. What's your question?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 17, 2019 08:51 PM (XVuno)
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May I venture off-topic tonight long enough to ask the resident Horde experts how to search for a topic mentioned in the comments of a forgotten AoS post
In your favorite search engine, type the phrase you're looking for in quotes and add site:acecomments.mu.nu.
In your favorite search engine, type the phrase you're looking for in quotes and add site:acecomments.mu.nu.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 08:51 PM (qc+VF)
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I believe Sam handled it well.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 17, 2019 08:51 PM (H8QX8)
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Pfffftt. The manly and noble.455 beats the low powered and effeminate .45
*Refuses to don helmet and stares laconically at the incoming*
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:48 PM (bgJ0E)
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There were two different .455 cartridges, rimmed and rimless, right?
The rimmed was for the Webley revolvers, and it's very soft-shooting. Giant bullet, fat case, low velocity.
I think the auto-loader version was a little more brisk. Did they also use the 262 grain bullet? Because if you get that hunk of lead moving with any kind of urgency, I imagine it *would* make .45 ACP look low powered.
*Refuses to don helmet and stares laconically at the incoming*
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:48 PM (bgJ0E)
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There were two different .455 cartridges, rimmed and rimless, right?
The rimmed was for the Webley revolvers, and it's very soft-shooting. Giant bullet, fat case, low velocity.
I think the auto-loader version was a little more brisk. Did they also use the 262 grain bullet? Because if you get that hunk of lead moving with any kind of urgency, I imagine it *would* make .45 ACP look low powered.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:51 PM (cfSRQ)
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:52 PM (eShRD)
246
The waitress is made of veal?
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:52 PM (bgJ0E)
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And the veal.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 08:51 PM (NWiLs)
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Don't forget to tip your servers!
Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 08:51 PM (NWiLs)
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Don't forget to tip your servers!
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:52 PM (cfSRQ)
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243 I believe Sam handled it well.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 17, 2019 08:51 PM (H8QX
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Agreed. I think I'd have backed off a ways and waited for his next move.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 17, 2019 08:51 PM (H8QX
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Agreed. I think I'd have backed off a ways and waited for his next move.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:53 PM (eShRD)
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246 The waitress is made of veal?
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:52 PM (bgJ0E)
Tender and tasty.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:52 PM (bgJ0E)
Tender and tasty.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 08:54 PM (NWiLs)
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Don't forget to tip your servers!
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:52 PM (cfSRQ)
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But never tip Guam.
Don't forget to tip your servers!
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:52 PM (cfSRQ)
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But never tip Guam.
Posted by: Rep. Hank "Hank" Johnson, (D)umbass at November 17, 2019 08:54 PM (XVuno)
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Weasel, just got here. I guess everybody's sending mail. Check your inbox.
Now to the thread, I see some good stuff.
Now to the thread, I see some good stuff.
Posted by: RI Ref at November 17, 2019 08:54 PM (TKe9u)
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My bottom line is simple, because I am simple, the 2nd is clear and simple, don't need a permit or a license. Don't need a permit to buy a book or checkout a book from the local library. What is the difference? Either the 2nd is treated like the first or it is not equal to the rest of TBOR. Don't get me started on the 9th and 10th.
Posted by: parker at November 17, 2019 08:54 PM (kO3Bf)
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247 And the veal.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 08:51 PM (NWiLs)
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Don't forget to tip your servers!
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:52 PM (cfSRQ)
Meh. They keep crashing.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 08:51 PM (NWiLs)
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Don't forget to tip your servers!
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:52 PM (cfSRQ)
Meh. They keep crashing.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 08:55 PM (NWiLs)
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251 Weasel, just got here. I guess everybody's sending mail. Check your inbox.
Now to the thread, I see some good stuff.
Posted by: RI Ref at November 17, 2019 08:54 PM (TKe9u)
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Got it, RI Ref!
Now to the thread, I see some good stuff.
Posted by: RI Ref at November 17, 2019 08:54 PM (TKe9u)
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Got it, RI Ref!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:56 PM (eShRD)
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If I recall correctly, Churchill also had a Thompson submachine gun
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 08:56 PM (oeKeQ)
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There were two different .455 cartridges, rimmed and rimless, right?
The rimmed was for the Webley revolvers, and it's very soft-shooting. Giant bullet, fat case, low velocity.
I think the auto-loader version was a little more brisk.
Correct. I may have to look at a thing called a "book" to confirm the self loading load. As I tend to look at wanker magnets as merely a tool designed to fight your way to a machine gun where proper injury is to be given, I forget a lot of detail on the things.
The rimmed was for the Webley revolvers, and it's very soft-shooting. Giant bullet, fat case, low velocity.
I think the auto-loader version was a little more brisk.
Correct. I may have to look at a thing called a "book" to confirm the self loading load. As I tend to look at wanker magnets as merely a tool designed to fight your way to a machine gun where proper injury is to be given, I forget a lot of detail on the things.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:56 PM (bgJ0E)
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Don't forget to tip your servers!
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:52 PM (cfSRQ)
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You can tip them or wipe them. Like with a cloth.
*hic*
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 08:52 PM (cfSRQ)
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You can tip them or wipe them. Like with a cloth.
*hic*
Posted by: Hillary! 2016, Who Will Never Be President of the United States at November 17, 2019 08:57 PM (XVuno)
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Deer hunting this week (Season A ended this afternoon), so no range report. I did manage to kill a very large doe yesterday with a single shot from my 300 BLK AR pistol. I was somewhat skeptical of hunting deer with such a small cartridge, but the result speaks for itself. All things equal, proper bullet placement trumps cartridge power every time.
Posted by: PacosMojo at November 17, 2019 08:57 PM (pLFo9)
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Howdy PacosMojo!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 08:58 PM (eShRD)
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Anna Puma: this is likely old news to you, but the link goes to the IJN AAR was translated and disseminated by the Strategic Bomb Survey folks a couple years after the war.
https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online
-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/j/
japanese-story-of-the-battle-of-midway.html
https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online
-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/j/
japanese-story-of-the-battle-of-midway.html
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 17, 2019 08:59 PM (NqeSm)
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Still have an hour folks - anything else you would like to discuss?
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:01 PM (MVjcR)
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Was the race of Sam's friend mentioned?
Posted by: Easy Andy at November 17, 2019 09:01 PM (2DOZq)
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In your favorite search engine, type the phrase you're looking for in quotes and add site:acecomments.mu.nu.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 08:51 PM (qc+VF)
That's it! Thank you!
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 08:51 PM (qc+VF)
That's it! Thank you!
Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 09:01 PM (i/wJA)
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The waitress is made of veal?
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:52 PM (bgJ0E)
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she lives for milky loads...
The waitress is made of veal?
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:52 PM (bgJ0E)
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she lives for milky loads...
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 17, 2019 09:01 PM (NqeSm)
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I think the auto-loader version was a little more brisk.
Correct. I may have to look at a thing called a "book" to confirm
the self loading load. As I tend to look at wanker magnets as merely a
tool designed to fight your way to a machine gun where proper injury is
to be given, I forget a lot of detail on the things.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:56 PM (bgJ0E)
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I'm assuming the .455 rimless was for the Webley and Scott automatic, which was produced in fairly small numbers.* It figures that the Brits would then demand American guns be rechambered for it.
*For a world war. A peacetime run of 5,000 or so isn't bad, but when other models' serial numbers are into six digits, it's a hiccup.
Correct. I may have to look at a thing called a "book" to confirm
the self loading load. As I tend to look at wanker magnets as merely a
tool designed to fight your way to a machine gun where proper injury is
to be given, I forget a lot of detail on the things.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 08:56 PM (bgJ0E)
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I'm assuming the .455 rimless was for the Webley and Scott automatic, which was produced in fairly small numbers.* It figures that the Brits would then demand American guns be rechambered for it.
*For a world war. A peacetime run of 5,000 or so isn't bad, but when other models' serial numbers are into six digits, it's a hiccup.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:02 PM (cfSRQ)
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Still have an hour folks - anything else you would like to discuss?
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:01 PM (MVjcR)
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We could go with something designed to stir discussion:.380 ACP: worthless or useless?
Still have an hour folks - anything else you would like to discuss?
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:01 PM (MVjcR)
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We could go with something designed to stir discussion:.380 ACP: worthless or useless?
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:04 PM (cfSRQ)
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That primer? I've had the same Fizz. Nothing. It's when the primer is in bass ackwards.
Ask me how I know.
Actually, don't.
Ask me how I know.
Actually, don't.
Posted by: RI Ref at November 17, 2019 09:04 PM (TKe9u)
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215....
I agree with shorter, more frequent range sessions. Especially when shooting the big stuff. I already fight a bit of a flinch. Shooting more than 50 rounds in a single day of 44 Magnum for instance, becomes counterproductive for most people.
I agree with shorter, more frequent range sessions. Especially when shooting the big stuff. I already fight a bit of a flinch. Shooting more than 50 rounds in a single day of 44 Magnum for instance, becomes counterproductive for most people.
Posted by: PacosMojo at November 17, 2019 09:05 PM (pLFo9)
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261 Still have an hour folks - anything else you would like to discuss?
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:01 PM (MVjcR)
B( . )( . )BS
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:01 PM (MVjcR)
B( . )( . )BS
Posted by: Insomniac at November 17, 2019 09:05 PM (NWiLs)
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"An item for discussion is whether firing hundreds of rounds at a range session is the best method, versus a lower round count and more frequent visits. Since I don't pay for range time, I prefer option two. I feel that it helps my muscle memory to do it this way."
Amazon just dropped off a 9mm laser round so that I can shoot at the laser targets using the Grand Power.
So yes to more frequent trips to the range and add to it, much more practice at home.
Amazon just dropped off a 9mm laser round so that I can shoot at the laser targets using the Grand Power.
So yes to more frequent trips to the range and add to it, much more practice at home.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
Julianne Assange didn't kill himself. at November 17, 2019 09:06 PM (lD3vL)
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267 That primer? I've had the same Fizz. Nothing. It's when the primer is in bass ackwards.
Ask me how I know.
Actually, don't.
Posted by: RI Ref at November 17, 2019 09:04 PM (TKe9u)
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I've seen that once in a box of commercial ammo, and once on the line in a match among a competitors handloads.
Ask me how I know.
Actually, don't.
Posted by: RI Ref at November 17, 2019 09:04 PM (TKe9u)
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I've seen that once in a box of commercial ammo, and once on the line in a match among a competitors handloads.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:06 PM (MVjcR)
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 09:06 PM (qc+VF)
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Speaking of Sigs I see a crapton of P320s for sale in the used market for ~$500
Something wrong with them?
Something wrong with them?
Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 09:06 PM (ZfRYq)
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I feel bad for all you folks that can't shoot right out the backdoor...and Idaho is full up
Posted by: Builder Berg at November 17, 2019 09:07 PM (hpEr0)
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Hi Weasel. Thanks again for this great thread.
Posted by: PacosMojo at November 17, 2019 09:07 PM (pLFo9)
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You're very welcome. Kind of quiet tonight but glad to have you here.
Hi Weasel. Thanks again for this great thread.
Posted by: PacosMojo at November 17, 2019 09:07 PM (pLFo9)
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You're very welcome. Kind of quiet tonight but glad to have you here.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:08 PM (MVjcR)
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We could go with something designed to stir discussion:.380 ACP: worthless or useless?
Bad OPSEC. While the .380 will do nothing more than piss off your target, the noise will attract unwanted attention for when you must resort to the combat knife.
Get to the gym and get some practical weapons disarming training.
Bad OPSEC. While the .380 will do nothing more than piss off your target, the noise will attract unwanted attention for when you must resort to the combat knife.
Get to the gym and get some practical weapons disarming training.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
Julianne Assange didn't kill himself. at November 17, 2019 09:08 PM (lD3vL)
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Over many years, I've always tended to shoot to the left. Sometimes it's very pronounced - a clear line right down the center of the target.
As I've gotten more experienced, the tendency has faded somewhat, but it comes back from time to time.
Today it came back again, and I countered it by strengthening my grip. I grew up with the mantra that you should press the trigger and the report of the firearm should come as a slight surprise.
But I find when I do that, I go to the left - probably because the rest of my grip is too loose. So now I'm using a much more aggressive grip and the problem has gone away. My last target wasn't stellar, but the misses were evenly distributed around the perimeter rather than all going left.
So I'm counting that as a win.
As I've gotten more experienced, the tendency has faded somewhat, but it comes back from time to time.
Today it came back again, and I countered it by strengthening my grip. I grew up with the mantra that you should press the trigger and the report of the firearm should come as a slight surprise.
But I find when I do that, I go to the left - probably because the rest of my grip is too loose. So now I'm using a much more aggressive grip and the problem has gone away. My last target wasn't stellar, but the misses were evenly distributed around the perimeter rather than all going left.
So I'm counting that as a win.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:08 PM (cfSRQ)
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I took junior Nerada out for youth deer season a couple of weeks ago. He had a clear shot at a doe, but it had a fawn with it so he passed. We did hear the buck we had seen on the trail can half a hour later, but he came from a weird direction and winded us. Still, I was proud to accompany a responsible young hunter. Hunting is much more than shooting.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 09:08 PM (oeKeQ)
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279 I took junior Nerada out for youth deer season a couple of weeks ago. He had a clear shot at a doe, but it had a fawn with it so he passed. We did hear the buck we had seen on the trail can half a hour later, but he came from a weird direction and winded us. Still, I was proud to accompany a responsible young hunter. Hunting is much more than shooting.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 09:08 PM (oeKeQ)
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Nice. Good job.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 09:08 PM (oeKeQ)
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Nice. Good job.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:10 PM (MVjcR)
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I did manage to kill a very large doe yesterday with a single shot from my 300 BLK AR pistol. I was somewhat skeptical of hunting deer with such a small cartridge, but the result speaks for itself. All things equal, proper bullet placement trumps cartridge power every time.
So, in other words, you were at point-blank range.
Good stalking skills there.
So, in other words, you were at point-blank range.
Good stalking skills there.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
Julianne Assange didn't kill himself. at November 17, 2019 09:11 PM (lD3vL)
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A good young man is heading down Frank's way for probably at least a couple of years to work.
I will worry.
I will worry.
Posted by: teej at November 17, 2019 09:12 PM (tNa3+)
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Bad OPSEC. While the .380 will do nothing more than
piss off your target, the noise will attract unwanted attention for
when you must resort to the combat knife.
Get to the gym and get some practical weapons disarming training.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
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I'm firmly in the 'shot placement trumps caliber' camp. I've looked at lots of shootings and vanishingly few have a perp who got hit and wasn't bothered by it.
I do think there is a difference between crime and combat. In combat, yes, you may have an issue with 'stopping power' but criminals tend to be opportunists, not fanatics.
piss off your target, the noise will attract unwanted attention for
when you must resort to the combat knife.
Get to the gym and get some practical weapons disarming training.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
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I'm firmly in the 'shot placement trumps caliber' camp. I've looked at lots of shootings and vanishingly few have a perp who got hit and wasn't bothered by it.
I do think there is a difference between crime and combat. In combat, yes, you may have an issue with 'stopping power' but criminals tend to be opportunists, not fanatics.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:12 PM (cfSRQ)
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Hey all!
I have to add one more dig onto the Tula pileup. I went through 1k of Tula 9mm a while ago- no duds or backwards primers, but I did have plenty of failures to feed.
Eventually I realized that the steel cases had more friction on the inside of the magazine than brass does, and mags would exhibit very sluggish feeding for the first few rounds. Loading mags to under capacity led to much better reliability, so my guns could be more efficiently covered with that filthy Tula powder residue.
On the other hand, as others have mentioned, Tula 762x39 is perfectly suitable for AKs. No failures of any kind in the case I went through, and I find it slightly more accurate than the Wolf steel cased ammo.
Carry on!
I have to add one more dig onto the Tula pileup. I went through 1k of Tula 9mm a while ago- no duds or backwards primers, but I did have plenty of failures to feed.
Eventually I realized that the steel cases had more friction on the inside of the magazine than brass does, and mags would exhibit very sluggish feeding for the first few rounds. Loading mags to under capacity led to much better reliability, so my guns could be more efficiently covered with that filthy Tula powder residue.
On the other hand, as others have mentioned, Tula 762x39 is perfectly suitable for AKs. No failures of any kind in the case I went through, and I find it slightly more accurate than the Wolf steel cased ammo.
Carry on!
Posted by: Lazy Messenger at November 17, 2019 09:12 PM (f0Pv6)
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Youse guys are making me really want to go try out the p365.
Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 08:49 PM
The folks who tried one at the TXMoMe seemed to like it.
Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 08:49 PM
The folks who tried one at the TXMoMe seemed to like it.
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 09:13 PM (DMUuz)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2019 09:13 PM (aKsyK)
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Speaking of Sigs I see a crapton of P320s for sale in the used market for ~$500
Something wrong with them?
Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 09:06 PM (ZfRYq)
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People probably got into them because they were the new hotness and are now getting out because it's not new anymore.
Something wrong with them?
Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 09:06 PM (ZfRYq)
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People probably got into them because they were the new hotness and are now getting out because it's not new anymore.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:13 PM (cfSRQ)
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So I'm counting that as a win.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:08 PM (cfSRQ)
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Yep.
I think some shooters, especially new shooters, become too obsessed with tiny groups rather than working on fundamentals and letting group size resolve itself. If you can put six rounds onto a target at 20 feet or so you're doing fine.
So I'm counting that as a win.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:08 PM (cfSRQ)
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Yep.
I think some shooters, especially new shooters, become too obsessed with tiny groups rather than working on fundamentals and letting group size resolve itself. If you can put six rounds onto a target at 20 feet or so you're doing fine.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:14 PM (MVjcR)
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We could go with something designed to stir discussion:.380 ACP: worthless or useless?
Fair game. I've always thought that if the first rule of gunfights was "bring a gun," the second should be "bring enough gun" and that .380 was just on the wrong side of the line. But current ammo tech has changed my mind about that. It'll never be as "enough" as a 9mm but in some cases the tradeoff for concealability is worth it. All just IMO, of course.
Fair game. I've always thought that if the first rule of gunfights was "bring a gun," the second should be "bring enough gun" and that .380 was just on the wrong side of the line. But current ammo tech has changed my mind about that. It'll never be as "enough" as a 9mm but in some cases the tradeoff for concealability is worth it. All just IMO, of course.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 09:15 PM (qc+VF)
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The search instructions worked! I am working on implementing some of the stellar advice one receives from the Horde and needed to find the thread where I got it.
Thanks again!
Thanks again!
Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 09:17 PM (i/wJA)
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One of the mags has an extension for pinkies. No swappable back straps so I have to say you'll just have to try it.
Wear SAP gloves that make for a good fit with the additional benefit of serving as an ad hoc weapon when the ammo is gone.
Wear SAP gloves that make for a good fit with the additional benefit of serving as an ad hoc weapon when the ammo is gone.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
Julianne Assange didn't kill himself. at November 17, 2019 09:17 PM (lD3vL)
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Yep.
I think some shooters, especially new shooters, become too obsessed
with tiny groups rather than working on fundamentals and letting group
size resolve itself. If you can put six rounds onto a target at 20 feet
or so you're doing fine.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:14 PM (MVjcR)
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I agree. A friend of mine has his own range and for the longest time all he's done is slow fire, standard target.
Then he took the CPL class and realized that self-defense isn't likely to be like that.
So now we've got some silhouettes and are mixing things up. One thing I want to do next year is play with shooting some melons or gourds to see just how different that .455 is than 9mm on something other than paper.
I think some shooters, especially new shooters, become too obsessed
with tiny groups rather than working on fundamentals and letting group
size resolve itself. If you can put six rounds onto a target at 20 feet
or so you're doing fine.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:14 PM (MVjcR)
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I agree. A friend of mine has his own range and for the longest time all he's done is slow fire, standard target.
Then he took the CPL class and realized that self-defense isn't likely to be like that.
So now we've got some silhouettes and are mixing things up. One thing I want to do next year is play with shooting some melons or gourds to see just how different that .455 is than 9mm on something other than paper.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:17 PM (cfSRQ)
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281...
I wish I could say I "still hunted" up to that deer and took her down Jeremiah Johnson style. But in reality, I shot her from a blind at approximately 125 yards from my position. Hunting small farms is pretty much a tree stand or sit on the ground type of proposition. If you try still hunting, you'll run them off the property more often that not.
I wish I could say I "still hunted" up to that deer and took her down Jeremiah Johnson style. But in reality, I shot her from a blind at approximately 125 yards from my position. Hunting small farms is pretty much a tree stand or sit on the ground type of proposition. If you try still hunting, you'll run them off the property more often that not.
Posted by: PacosMojo at November 17, 2019 09:17 PM (pLFo9)
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And on that note, I'm done for the night. See y'all around!
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:18 PM (cfSRQ)
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If you can put six rounds onto a target at 20 feet or so you're doing fine.
Posted by: Weasel
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Totally agree. When I am planning to shoot an animal at 300-400 yards with a rifle, I look for close groups. With a 4 inch barrel pistol for defense at 25 yards, anything in a one foot circle is a good hit.
Posted by: Weasel
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Totally agree. When I am planning to shoot an animal at 300-400 yards with a rifle, I look for close groups. With a 4 inch barrel pistol for defense at 25 yards, anything in a one foot circle is a good hit.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 09:19 PM (oeKeQ)
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' night, A.H.L.!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:19 PM (MVjcR)
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Good concealed carry for a lefty? I'm thinking small, 9mm for now. But a smaller mag and larger caliber are fine too if the weapon can still be concealed OWB holster.
Any recommendations would be welcome.
Any recommendations would be welcome.
Posted by: Quilp at November 17, 2019 09:19 PM (Fxgkp)
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Never shot any Tula ammo, but had a bad experience with Winchester steel case 9mm. Jammed up my wife's PPQ. Had to take the slide clean off and pry it open to get the cartridge out. Won't be trying to save a couple of bux buying steel case no more.
Posted by: Pod Hamp at November 17, 2019 09:19 PM (RBFmA)
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ould be "bring enough gun" and that .380 was just on the wrong side of the line. But current ammo tech has changed my mind about that. It'll never be as "enough" as a 9mm but in some cases the tradeoff for concealability is worth it. All just IMO, of course.
.380 is a "summer gun" because you don't need to punch through leather jackets and other heavier garments.
If the round manages to expand when it meets the target, then it was good enough.
.380 is a "summer gun" because you don't need to punch through leather jackets and other heavier garments.
If the round manages to expand when it meets the target, then it was good enough.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
Julianne Assange didn't kill himself. at November 17, 2019 09:20 PM (lD3vL)
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but criminals tend to be opportunists, not fanatics.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:12 PM (cfSRQ)
Of course "tend to" is the issue. What are the odds *you* meet the exception to the rule, carrying a 5-shot .22? Or you ~never~ meet the exception carrying a miniature elephant gun? It's risk management and playing the odds (and planning for the odds), and yes, for those odds you're better off being a really good shot in a tactical situation than just lugging about big bullets.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:12 PM (cfSRQ)
Of course "tend to" is the issue. What are the odds *you* meet the exception to the rule, carrying a 5-shot .22? Or you ~never~ meet the exception carrying a miniature elephant gun? It's risk management and playing the odds (and planning for the odds), and yes, for those odds you're better off being a really good shot in a tactical situation than just lugging about big bullets.
Posted by: GWB at November 17, 2019 09:21 PM (7wfSc)
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That primer? I've had the same Fizz. Nothing. It's when the primer is in bass ackwards.
Ask me how I know.
Actually, don't.
I do have an actual, non-snarky (yeah, me, really) question. If you're priming cases and see that you have pressed one in upside down, how do you get it out safely?
Ask me how I know.
Actually, don't.
I do have an actual, non-snarky (yeah, me, really) question. If you're priming cases and see that you have pressed one in upside down, how do you get it out safely?
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 09:21 PM (qc+VF)
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Primers. Once had a very strange stopage/incident during a C9 5.56 shoot. Weapon fires, weapon stops. I was RCO. The gun team pair were about to go thru the stoppage drills when something had me go "STOP STOP STOP". The noise was wrong.Round in the chamber, belt in the feedway. Rd in chamber had been struck but not fired. Projectile still in case. I thought the noise was a round without powder, so the primer would fire the projectile 5 inches into the chamber so that the next round would hit it and send steel into orbit. Cleared the chamber and feedway and took barrel off and inspected. All clear. Fuck thats weird? Had a closer look at unfired rd. Looked normal except for a primer that did not go off after being struck. But the noise was odd? I did hear a primer go pop. But projectile still in case? No powder? WTF?
Gun team carry on and 3 or 4 rds later same thing. Fuck stop, stop, stop!
Cut the offending rds apart. NO FLASHHOLE IN BRASS. Had primer, powder and projectile just no way to link them. FN (Belgium) ammo.
Gun team carry on and 3 or 4 rds later same thing. Fuck stop, stop, stop!
Cut the offending rds apart. NO FLASHHOLE IN BRASS. Had primer, powder and projectile just no way to link them. FN (Belgium) ammo.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 09:22 PM (bgJ0E)
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I do have an actual, non-snarky (yeah, me, really) question. If you're priming cases and see that you have pressed one in upside down, how do you get it out safely?
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 09:21 PM (qc+VF)
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I haven't ever put one in backwards, but I have had to c a r e f u l l y deprime cases before using a depriming die. Probably not worth the risk.
I do have an actual, non-snarky (yeah, me, really) question. If you're priming cases and see that you have pressed one in upside down, how do you get it out safely?
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 09:21 PM (qc+VF)
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I haven't ever put one in backwards, but I have had to c a r e f u l l y deprime cases before using a depriming die. Probably not worth the risk.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:23 PM (MVjcR)
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A few things I've been meaning to include in the thread.
I've found CCI Bl*zer 22lr ammo to be the most consistently accurate of any of the non-premium 22s. I keep an eye out for it on sale.
If you have a CZ 75b 9mm, it might pay to check out the Kadet 22lr kit made for it. You can change to the kit in a minute or two and it has been as accurate as any regular semi-auto.
I find I get better accuracy with cast bullets than with jacketed out to two hundred yards. They are oversized by maybe .001 or .002 and not driven to the highest possible muzzle velocity. They are often more comfortable to shoot and are far cheaper than buying jacketed.
I've found CCI Bl*zer 22lr ammo to be the most consistently accurate of any of the non-premium 22s. I keep an eye out for it on sale.
If you have a CZ 75b 9mm, it might pay to check out the Kadet 22lr kit made for it. You can change to the kit in a minute or two and it has been as accurate as any regular semi-auto.
I find I get better accuracy with cast bullets than with jacketed out to two hundred yards. They are oversized by maybe .001 or .002 and not driven to the highest possible muzzle velocity. They are often more comfortable to shoot and are far cheaper than buying jacketed.
Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 09:24 PM (bmdz3)
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282 A good young man is heading down Frank's way for probably at least a couple of years to work.
I will worry.
Posted by: teej at November 17, 2019 09:12 PM (tNa3+)
Wait, what? Who where, when? Persec of course.
I will worry.
Posted by: teej at November 17, 2019 09:12 PM (tNa3+)
Wait, what? Who where, when? Persec of course.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 09:25 PM (bgJ0E)
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Cut the offending rds apart. NO FLASHHOLE IN BRASS. Had primer, powder and projectile just no way to link them. FN (Belgium) ammo.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 09:22 PM (bgJ0E)
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I wondered briefly if that might have been the problem above!
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 09:22 PM (bgJ0E)
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I wondered briefly if that might have been the problem above!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:26 PM (MVjcR)
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The 365 is narrow and light and has 10 whole boolits in the magazine.
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How is it for big hands? I would like something smaller than a full size 9 but need to be able to hold it.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 07:58 PM
You'll probably want the 12 round mags, but otherwise I suspect you'll like it.
You might want to look at the P365 XL, too.
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How is it for big hands? I would like something smaller than a full size 9 but need to be able to hold it.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 07:58 PM
You'll probably want the 12 round mags, but otherwise I suspect you'll like it.
You might want to look at the P365 XL, too.
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 09:27 PM (DMUuz)
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Quilp @ 297- Lately been carrying owb right hip a Glock G48. Single stack 10+1 9mm. Very slim right at 1 inch at widest, length about like a G19. In other words very concealable. Go to your gunshop and hold one in your hand. Did I mention they are very reliable? Ameriglo sights came on mine because we all know Glock factory sights are the first thing we change.
Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2019 09:27 PM (UUkQp)
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Good concealed carry for a lefty? I'm thinking small, 9mm for now. But a smaller mag and larger caliber are fine too if the weapon can still be concealed OWB holster.
Any recommendations would be welcome.
I am a total whore for the Grand Power P1. Inexpensive 9mm that conceals well, and due to its unique rotating barrel noticeably reduces felt recoil to hot 380 levels. they are stingy on the mags, but come with replaceable back straps.
Every female who has fired this gun does very well due to the balance and reduced recoil.
And it checks off the ambidextrous checkboxes, ambi magazine release, ambi safety and ambi slide release. I jacked up my strong side wrist so I have been training weak side. Only problem is the holster (which are difficult to find.) I did get a good leather hand made OWB imported from MASC International.
Any recommendations would be welcome.
I am a total whore for the Grand Power P1. Inexpensive 9mm that conceals well, and due to its unique rotating barrel noticeably reduces felt recoil to hot 380 levels. they are stingy on the mags, but come with replaceable back straps.
Every female who has fired this gun does very well due to the balance and reduced recoil.
And it checks off the ambidextrous checkboxes, ambi magazine release, ambi safety and ambi slide release. I jacked up my strong side wrist so I have been training weak side. Only problem is the holster (which are difficult to find.) I did get a good leather hand made OWB imported from MASC International.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
Julianne Assange didn't kill himself. at November 17, 2019 09:28 PM (lD3vL)
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You'll probably want the 12 round mags, but otherwise I suspect you'll like it.
You might want to look at the P365 XL, too.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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Thanks, I'll have to give it a try
You might want to look at the P365 XL, too.
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Thanks, I'll have to give it a try
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 09:29 PM (oeKeQ)
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301 ... "f you're priming cases and see that you have pressed one in upside down, how do you get it out safely?"
I've done this a couple of times in priming many thousands of cases. Rather than take a chance, I disposed of them in the dud box at the range.
I've done this a couple of times in priming many thousands of cases. Rather than take a chance, I disposed of them in the dud box at the range.
Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 09:29 PM (bmdz3)
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criminals tend to be opportunists, not fanatics.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:12 PM (cfSRQ)
I worry about encountering an ill-intentioned person who is is not considering the consequences, such as someone under the influence of drugs or mental illness. I've heard the stories of needing to empty an entire magazine and hoping the thug doesn't reach you until after he's lost enough blood.
Posted by: Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd at November 17, 2019 09:12 PM (cfSRQ)
I worry about encountering an ill-intentioned person who is is not considering the consequences, such as someone under the influence of drugs or mental illness. I've heard the stories of needing to empty an entire magazine and hoping the thug doesn't reach you until after he's lost enough blood.
Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 09:30 PM (i/wJA)
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"f you're priming cases and see that you have pressed one in upside down, how do you get it out safely?"
I've done this a couple of times in priming many thousands of cases. Rather than take a chance, I disposed of them in the dud box at the range.
Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 09:29 PM (bmdz3)
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Smart man!
I've also fired primed but unloaded rifle cases for the same reason if I wanted to keep the brass. Primers are about as loud as a 22lr
I've done this a couple of times in priming many thousands of cases. Rather than take a chance, I disposed of them in the dud box at the range.
Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 09:29 PM (bmdz3)
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Smart man!
I've also fired primed but unloaded rifle cases for the same reason if I wanted to keep the brass. Primers are about as loud as a 22lr
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:31 PM (MVjcR)
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You'll probably want the 12 round mags, but otherwise I suspect you'll like it.
You might want to look at the P365 XL, too.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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I agree on the Grand Power or another option is the Beretta PX4 compact.
You might want to look at the P365 XL, too.
Posted by: Duncanthrax
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I agree on the Grand Power or another option is the Beretta PX4 compact.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 09:31 PM (oeKeQ)
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I assumed you could not install a primer upside down unless you installed it from the inside of the cartridge. Shows what I know.
I assumed you could not install a primer upside down unless you installed it from the inside of the cartridge. Shows what I know.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2019 09:32 PM (aKsyK)
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Hey Weasel, before the ONT kicks off, just wanted to say thanks again for moderating this thread and group of neer-do-wells.
Great content and discussion from all - I have so much to learn.
Great content and discussion from all - I have so much to learn.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 09:33 PM (Y4EXg)
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Oops wrong copy
Good concealed carry for a lefty? I'm thinking small, 9mm for now. But a smaller mag and larger caliber are fine too if the weapon can still be concealed OWB holster.
Any recommendations would be welcome
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Grand Power or Beretta PX4 compact.
Good concealed carry for a lefty? I'm thinking small, 9mm for now. But a smaller mag and larger caliber are fine too if the weapon can still be concealed OWB holster.
Any recommendations would be welcome
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Grand Power or Beretta PX4 compact.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 17, 2019 09:33 PM (oeKeQ)
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Oddly enough, people who dis the .380/9mm Kurz don't seem to be willing to be a target for it at 15 yards.
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 09:33 PM (DMUuz)
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Oddly enough, people who dis the .380/9mm Kurz don't seem to be willing to be a target for it at 15 yards.
I'm not a fan of getting hit by pellet or paintball guns either.
I'm not a fan of getting hit by pellet or paintball guns either.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
Julianne Assange didn't kill himself. at November 17, 2019 09:34 PM (lD3vL)
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Primer in backwards? Throw the damn thing away, like maybe into a roaring fire or not.
Second option. Bullet remover hammer. Remove bullet, remove powder. Sloooowly lower deprimer into empty cartridge. Do not have face anywhere near. Wear safety glasses and earmuffs.
Now that you saved ten cents of brass, kick yourself in the ass for being a cheap ass tightwad.
Like me.
Second option. Bullet remover hammer. Remove bullet, remove powder. Sloooowly lower deprimer into empty cartridge. Do not have face anywhere near. Wear safety glasses and earmuffs.
Now that you saved ten cents of brass, kick yourself in the ass for being a cheap ass tightwad.
Like me.
Posted by: RI Ref at November 17, 2019 09:35 PM (TKe9u)
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Hey Weasel, before the ONT kicks off, just wanted to say thanks again for moderating this thread and group of neer-do-wells.
Great content and discussion from all - I have so much to learn.
Yup. Ditto all of that.
Great content and discussion from all - I have so much to learn.
Yup. Ditto all of that.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 09:35 PM (qc+VF)
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316 Hey Weasel, before the ONT kicks off, just wanted to say thanks again for moderating this thread and group of neer-do-wells.
Great content and discussion from all - I have so much to learn.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 09:33 PM (Y4EXg)
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You are most very welcome, Tonypete! It really is my pleasure. And that goes for all of you clowns. It's great to just hang out and have a conversation with like-minded people.
Great content and discussion from all - I have so much to learn.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 09:33 PM (Y4EXg)
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You are most very welcome, Tonypete! It really is my pleasure. And that goes for all of you clowns. It's great to just hang out and have a conversation with like-minded people.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:35 PM (MVjcR)
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I'm not a fan of getting hit by pellet or paintball guns either.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
You'll put your eye out, kid!
I'm not a fan of getting hit by pellet or paintball guns either.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
You'll put your eye out, kid!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at November 17, 2019 09:35 PM (aKsyK)
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I'm not a fan of getting hit by pellet or paintball guns either.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
You'll put your eye out, kid!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at Novem
Its all fun and games until someone loses a hymen.
I'm not a fan of getting hit by pellet or paintball guns either.
Posted by: Blue Bird of F'ing Joy
You'll put your eye out, kid!
Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at Novem
Its all fun and games until someone loses a hymen.
Posted by: NZFrank with a M2 at November 17, 2019 09:37 PM (bgJ0E)
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Yup. Ditto all of that.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 09:35 PM (qc+VF)
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Thank you BtB. Hey - have you made to an F-Class match yet?
Yup. Ditto all of that.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 09:35 PM (qc+VF)
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Thank you BtB. Hey - have you made to an F-Class match yet?
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:38 PM (MVjcR)
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312, Emmie. If you're worried about ill-intentioned people no t being deterred by a smaller bullet, I suggest watching a few ASP videos on YouTube. What I noticed is that when the shooting starts, the bad guys almost always run away quick as they can. Or fall down dead. I don't recall ever seeing a video of a bad guy advancing on someone shooting at them. Maybe it happens, but I doubt that often.
Posted by: Pod Hamp at November 17, 2019 09:38 PM (RBFmA)
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Eromero, I feel for you, bro. But your pix have no actual snow in them.
Like my last Wednesday's season opening experience.
At 10 degrees Fahrenheit and 44 degrees North Latitude.
Like my last Wednesday's season opening experience.
At 10 degrees Fahrenheit and 44 degrees North Latitude.
Posted by: RI Ref at November 17, 2019 09:38 PM (TKe9u)
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295 If you can put six rounds onto a target at 20 feet or so you're doing fine.
Posted by: Weasel
Listen and heed. Wisdom from the man yclept "Destroyer of X-Rings".
Posted by: Weasel
Listen and heed. Wisdom from the man yclept "Destroyer of X-Rings".
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 09:39 PM (DMUuz)
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Weasel, Thanks for another fun gun thread.
BTW, that 41 magnum is proving to be a LOT of fun. If you aren't familiar with the caliber, especially compared to the 357 and 44 mags, you'll have to try it when we can shoot together. I think you would find it interesting.
BTW, that 41 magnum is proving to be a LOT of fun. If you aren't familiar with the caliber, especially compared to the 357 and 44 mags, you'll have to try it when we can shoot together. I think you would find it interesting.
Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 09:40 PM (bmdz3)
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If you're priming cases and see that you have pressed one in upside down, how do you get it out safely?
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 09:21 PM (qc+VF)
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I haven't ever put one in backwards, but I have had to c a r e f u l l y deprime cases before using a depriming die. Probably not worth the risk.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:23 PM (MVjcR)
Heavy gloves, safety goggles, a depriming die and a very slow pull on the lever. Should have added hearing protection too.
Afterward, I flipped the primer over and seated it right back in the case. (I am not a good role model)
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 09:21 PM (qc+VF)
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I haven't ever put one in backwards, but I have had to c a r e f u l l y deprime cases before using a depriming die. Probably not worth the risk.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:23 PM (MVjcR)
Heavy gloves, safety goggles, a depriming die and a very slow pull on the lever. Should have added hearing protection too.
Afterward, I flipped the primer over and seated it right back in the case. (I am not a good role model)
Posted by: Lazy Messenger at November 17, 2019 09:40 PM (f0Pv6)
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Thank you BtB. Hey - have you made to an F-Class match yet?
I have not. It's the first Saturday of each month and this month I was out of town that weekend. Hoping to make it to the December one.
I have not. It's the first Saturday of each month and this month I was out of town that weekend. Hoping to make it to the December one.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 09:40 PM (qc+VF)
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329 Weasel, Thanks for another fun gun thread.
BTW, that 41 magnum is proving to be a LOT of fun. If you aren't familiar with the caliber, especially compared to the 357 and 44 mags, you'll have to try it when we can shoot together. I think you would find it interesting.
Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 09:40 PM (bmdz3)
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Sounds like a plan!
BTW, that 41 magnum is proving to be a LOT of fun. If you aren't familiar with the caliber, especially compared to the 357 and 44 mags, you'll have to try it when we can shoot together. I think you would find it interesting.
Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 09:40 PM (bmdz3)
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Sounds like a plan!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:41 PM (MVjcR)
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Thanks again Weasel. Look forward to Sundays 7pm EST.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 17, 2019 09:41 PM (ZfBVE)
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331 Thank you BtB. Hey - have you made to an F-Class match yet?
I have not. It's the first Saturday of each month and this month I was out of town that weekend. Hoping to make it to the December one.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 09:40 PM (qc+VF)
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Well you know how to get in touch with me if you have any questions!
I have not. It's the first Saturday of each month and this month I was out of town that weekend. Hoping to make it to the December one.
Posted by: Bob the Bilderberg at November 17, 2019 09:40 PM (qc+VF)
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Well you know how to get in touch with me if you have any questions!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:42 PM (MVjcR)
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RI Ref @ 327, I have zero percent bodyfat and I'm an old geezer. Don't take much to make me cold.
Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2019 09:42 PM (UUkQp)
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333 Thanks again Weasel. Look forward to Sundays 7pm EST.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 17, 2019 09:41 PM (ZfBVE)
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Thanks for being here, Scuba_Dude.
Posted by: Scuba_Dude at November 17, 2019 09:41 PM (ZfBVE)
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Thanks for being here, Scuba_Dude.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:43 PM (MVjcR)
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BTW, that 41 magnum is proving to be a LOT of fun. If you aren't familiar with the caliber, especially compared to the 357 and 44 mags, you'll have to try it when we can shoot together. I think you would find it interesting.
Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 09:40 PM
.41 Mag aficionados are understood to be some of the finest humans to walk the planet.
Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 09:40 PM
.41 Mag aficionados are understood to be some of the finest humans to walk the planet.
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 09:44 PM (DMUuz)
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.41 Mag aficionados are understood to be some of the finest humans to walk the planet.
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 09:44 PM (DMUuz)
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I've heard that!
.41 Mag aficionados are understood to be some of the finest humans to walk the planet.
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 17, 2019 09:44 PM (DMUuz)
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I've heard that!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:44 PM (MVjcR)
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Maybe it happens, but I doubt that often.
Posted by: Pod Hamp at November 17, 2019 09:38 PM (RBFmA)
I was talking about dangerous insane people, not reasonably rational criminals.
Posted by: Pod Hamp at November 17, 2019 09:38 PM (RBFmA)
I was talking about dangerous insane people, not reasonably rational criminals.
Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 09:44 PM (i/wJA)
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OK - the ONT will be along anytime. Hope you all have a good week!!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:45 PM (MVjcR)
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Thanks for hosting Weasel! Hope to meet you at a MoMe someday!
Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 09:47 PM (i/wJA)
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341 Thanks for hosting Weasel! Hope to meet you at a MoMe someday!
Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 09:47 PM (i/wJA)
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Thanks Emmie! That would be great.
Posted by: Emmie at November 17, 2019 09:47 PM (i/wJA)
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Thanks Emmie! That would be great.
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:48 PM (MVjcR)
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Ero, I too am an old geezer. Who can't even spell his nic properly. My toes and fingers don't circulate well. And I complain a lot.
BTW, what was that rifle you were shooting?
BTW, what was that rifle you were shooting?
Posted by: RI Red at November 17, 2019 09:49 PM (TKe9u)
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Speaking of Sigs I see a crapton of P320s for sale in the used market for ~$500
Something wrong with them?
Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 09:06 PM
I'll have to start shopping, I love mine and wouldn't mind having a spare.
Something wrong with them?
Posted by: blaster at November 17, 2019 09:06 PM
I'll have to start shopping, I love mine and wouldn't mind having a spare.
Posted by: Bert G at November 17, 2019 09:49 PM (OMsf+)
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Oooh! Oooh! Mr. Kottear!!
This probably has been argued to the death in other boards but I don't hang out in any so. . .
All other things being equal (same manuf. and very similar models), is the critical difference between an all steel frame and a polymer frame pistol the weight? (And thus recoil differences). Or are there reliability and or wear differences, for example, also?
In my case, I'm looking at a CZ 75 SP-01 tactical (steel) and a Phantom (polymer). The tactical is heavy when fully loaded - 18+1 but I've carried full size steel sidearms previously as my EDC and they don't bother me much. I am able to conceal it without issue.
Anything pop up in your minds that I should look at in detail between these two when making the final decision?
This probably has been argued to the death in other boards but I don't hang out in any so. . .
All other things being equal (same manuf. and very similar models), is the critical difference between an all steel frame and a polymer frame pistol the weight? (And thus recoil differences). Or are there reliability and or wear differences, for example, also?
In my case, I'm looking at a CZ 75 SP-01 tactical (steel) and a Phantom (polymer). The tactical is heavy when fully loaded - 18+1 but I've carried full size steel sidearms previously as my EDC and they don't bother me much. I am able to conceal it without issue.
Anything pop up in your minds that I should look at in detail between these two when making the final decision?
Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 09:51 PM (Y4EXg)
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I heard an old-time doctor talk about Parkland ER work when he was young. He was threatened by a street thug and punched in the face. The duty officer was an old DPS trooper who carried a .41 magnum woo said 'Mind stepping out a while, doc?' and when the doctor came back the thug had 2 black eyes and one of his ears was sagging. Nope, not the revolver, it was the flashlight.
Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2019 09:52 PM (UUkQp)
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Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 09:51 PM (Y4EXg)
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I've never liked the feel of polymer guns. I think people who carry them all day every day probably enjoy the weight difference but I just prefer steel guns. Not very scientific, I know!
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I've never liked the feel of polymer guns. I think people who carry them all day every day probably enjoy the weight difference but I just prefer steel guns. Not very scientific, I know!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:54 PM (MVjcR)
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RI Red, it's a Browning BAR 30-06 with a Nikon scope. Proven deer and hog killer. Probably had it 15 years.
Posted by: Eromero at November 17, 2019 09:55 PM (UUkQp)
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Tonypete, I find my all steel 1911 much more comfortable to shoot. My lighter plastic fantastic Glock 21 shoots .45 more accurately. But isn't as much fun to shoot. But I'd carry it over the 1911 if I had to carry .45.
Posted by: RI Red at November 17, 2019 09:55 PM (TKe9u)
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337 ... ".41 Mag aficionados are understood to be some of the finest humans to walk the planet."
Duncanthrax,
I appreciate your effective use of understatement.
Duncanthrax,
I appreciate your effective use of understatement.
Posted by: JTB at November 17, 2019 09:57 PM (bmdz3)
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This is not OT because all of the ships and planes and land based humans at Midway had guns. Someone in the food thread posted a link to the Japanese account of what happened.
It's amazing to read it from their point of view. Our point of view is canonical, there's no need to rehash it. Theirs - I'm not even halfway through it - is fascinating.
Our guys aren't trained at all. Oh that doesn't matter we'll just go kill everyone. Their first wave against us was completely destroyed. Ouch, they punched us. Where did that come from?
Wait, what do you mean they have six carriers? No, they can't. Ouch. They punched us again. We moved the Emperor's portrait to another ship. Ouch. Damn. OK, we're moving the Emperor's portrait to the next ship.
Hey, everyone who got punched said Banzai and pledged support to the Emperor before he died. Was that another punch? Where did that come from?
It's amazing to read it from their point of view. Our point of view is canonical, there's no need to rehash it. Theirs - I'm not even halfway through it - is fascinating.
Our guys aren't trained at all. Oh that doesn't matter we'll just go kill everyone. Their first wave against us was completely destroyed. Ouch, they punched us. Where did that come from?
Wait, what do you mean they have six carriers? No, they can't. Ouch. They punched us again. We moved the Emperor's portrait to another ship. Ouch. Damn. OK, we're moving the Emperor's portrait to the next ship.
Hey, everyone who got punched said Banzai and pledged support to the Emperor before he died. Was that another punch? Where did that come from?
Posted by: Bandersnatch at November 17, 2019 09:57 PM (gd9RK)
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Hey, everyone who got punched said Banzai and pledged support to the Emperor before he died. Was that another punch? Where did that come from?
Posted by: Bandersnatch
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But all cultures are the same, right? LOL
Posted by: Bandersnatch
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But all cultures are the same, right? LOL
Posted by: Tonypete at November 17, 2019 09:58 PM (Y4EXg)
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Ah, yes, it has the square Browning receiver end. Hope you get some venison. I'm skunked so far.
Posted by: RI Red at November 17, 2019 09:58 PM (TKe9u)
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ONT is up. 'night!!
Posted by: Weasel at November 17, 2019 09:59 PM (MVjcR)
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Report him to the police. Swear out a criminal complaint.
Posted by: Wit's End at November 17, 2019 10:00 PM (kCioA)
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I live in a somewhat rural part of the seacoast area of NH. A gentleman several doors down the road from me built a small range on his property. Been determined to be safe by the local police who were promptly called by my a-hole neighbor the first time the range was used.Every time he goes out to practice, my neighbor calls the cops. Every. Single. Time.The cops just told him to call dispatch when he wants to shoot so they'll know to expect the a-hole's phone call.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 17, 2019 07:44 PM (D3cJf)
Just hoist the red flag.
Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at November 17, 2019 07:44 PM (D3cJf)
Just hoist the red flag.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 17, 2019 10:01 PM (1g7ch)
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TulA = crap, buddy uses a lot of it, almost always gets at least one misfire per range day. I guess it could be good because he gets a lot more practice clearing dud ammo from his firearms.
Being southpaw I have a Kimber CDP and a little Taurus .380. Carry the .380 much more than the Kimber, just easier to conceal and cheaper to run rounds thru at the range. Of course I am also betting on the "I will never use this thing" aspect and think anything that goes bang is better than a pocket knife.
Being southpaw I have a Kimber CDP and a little Taurus .380. Carry the .380 much more than the Kimber, just easier to conceal and cheaper to run rounds thru at the range. Of course I am also betting on the "I will never use this thing" aspect and think anything that goes bang is better than a pocket knife.
Posted by: Gbone at November 17, 2019 10:03 PM (QI5PR)
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Saw a sign at the gun shop:
"New Hampshire. Don't Mass it up. "
"New Hampshire. Don't Mass it up. "
Posted by: RI Red at November 17, 2019 10:07 PM (TKe9u)
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Got range time mid-week.
Yesterday, tried to unload one of the muzzleloaders at an elk. Snap. No bang.
Hate it when that happens.
Yesterday, tried to unload one of the muzzleloaders at an elk. Snap. No bang.
Hate it when that happens.
Posted by: Igotnothing at November 17, 2019 11:00 PM (xf2hT)
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Sam, if you feel threatened with great bodily harm, take a good grip and draw, weapon tucked in below armpit above belt. Point weapon toward the threat. Finger off the trigger. When you draw, extend weak arm forward to block a charge or a knife. If the threat charges, fend off with weak hand and fire. Range is less than two feet so aiming is instinctive. Don't shoot your weak hand. After firing, step back, assume a two-handed grip, assess and scan for additional threats. This took far longer to write and read than it will take to do.
Posted by: Richard at November 18, 2019 06:55 AM (huaUe)
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That was a great clip of Christopher Hitchens on Bill Maher's show even if I didn't like the finger waving. He was a bright, wittily acerbic man. I think he and that other British guy-also an Atheist- and former comic would get along really well if Hitchens was still alive.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 18, 2019 07:40 AM (WI7YS)
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whoops. Wrong thread
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 18, 2019 07:41 AM (WI7YS)
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That bad round has its primer upside down. This problem is not restricted to cheapass Russian ammo. I found one last week in a box of brown box Remington mil/LE "practice"ammo. Tulammo ? I put a hundred or so of their 5.56 through an AR at a match on Sunday, and another a month ago without a single hitch. I've shot a couple thousand 9mm at matches in the past couple years with mixed results, the only problem seems to be a tad harder than usual primers causing an occasional (1 in 200 or so) failure to fire in striker fired guns. They are 100% in hammer fired guns.
Posted by: TwoDogs at November 18, 2019 08:06 PM (A+gug)
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