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When reality does not conform to the dream [KT]
The idea of centralized economic planning is a very seductive one. It just seems to make sense that such planning would lead to more efficiency...less waste...and certainly less unnecessary human suffering than an environment in which millions of decision-makers, many of them in competition with one another, are making their own separate and uncoordinated decisions, resulting in pointless product redundancy, economic cycles driving unemployment, and lots of other bad things. Red Plenty...part novel, part nonfiction...is about the Soviet Union's economic planning efforts as seen from the inside. . .Seems an appropriate topic in light of the Democratic debates.
On a more personal note, Village Idiot writes about a particular reaction to the failure of a dream:
This article from Law & Liberty reminded me of the 1989 Revolutions, the largest political and cultural events of our lifetimes. I felt pricked that I had also forgotten and de-emphasised those events in my thinking, I who have two sons born behind the Iron Curtain. Shameful, really. John-Adrian's first memory is of angry crowds milling outside his apartment building in Oradea, shouting "Iliescu SOS!, Ceausescu JOS!" in 1989 when he was four.
We get caught up in anger at the issues of our day, but some are never going to amount to much. We are fighting over whether people who claim to be a different gender from their birth sex are going to be able to game the system and make us all have to go along with it. Americans are very big on individual rights even at great inconvenience to the group, and Europeans are very big on looking modern and free of tradition (especially when they can compare themselves favorably to Americans), so transgender people in either direction may succeed in having the rest of us be made to shut up and go along. As I said, it's gaming the system, but it could work. And that will irritate many of us and have bad unforeseen consequences. But it won't be execution, or labor camps, or inability to choose our profession or where we live. No, the rise and fall of communism has been the largest event of our days, but even those of us who should know that get distracted. Popular culture has distracted us away from that main point to hand-wringing about smaller items. . .Yes. We need to remember the magnitude of the rise and fall of communism and teach about it! Though there is an argument to be made that now, the approach to establishing a similar system may be more gradual. Now for some smaller items from California Mental Health Here's a story about a Stanford professor who may have had good intentions, who published a small study in 1973 describing the experiences of eight pseudopatients who went undercover in mental hospitals. He apparently ignored the data from one of his pseudopatients who was well-treated, and may have invented other pseudopatients out of thin air.
And today, what we have is a mental-health crisis of epic proportions. Over 100,000 people with serious mental illnesses live on the streets, while we are chronically short of safe housing and hospital beds for the sickest among us. Had Rosenhan been more measured in his treatment of the hospitals, had he included Lando's data, there's a chance a different dialogue, less extreme in its certainty, would have emerged from his study and maybe, just maybe, we'd be in a better place.And Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself. The Safest Building in the World We discussed the Transbay Transit Center in San Francisco back in April of 2017, when Jerry Brown was still in office. At that time, Brown was still clinging to the dream of high-speed rail all the way from Los Angeles to San Francisco. But the Transit Center was scheduled for completion before the first segment of track was scheduled to be completed in the Central Valley. The month before, this was written:
By failing to require an update to California High Speed Rail's Environmental Impact Report, state officials are violating a key provision of both the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) and the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA). This failure lends an air of hypocrisy to Sacramento's criticism of Trump Administration environmental stewardship and it also gives Elaine Chao, Trump's Secretary of Transportation, an opportunity to derail the HSR project.Of course, the reason that Sacramento officials started in the Central Valley is that the sparse population there did not have the political clout to mount effective environmental suits of their own, as were anticipated in areas where high-speed rail might actually be somewhat useful. Ironic that California imposes its own environmental standards, stricter than federal standards, on citizens where they see the opportunity to virtue signal. It is also somewhat ironic that Gavin Newsom killed Jerry Brown's dream by shortening the HSR route to an idiotic one that starts and stops in the Central Valley. And last I heard, projected rail speeds were slower than first promised. As a resident of the Central Valley, I have seen lots of giant equipment for this project idled in fields for a long time, at great cost to the taxpayers. Well, the giant equipment is moving again, snarling traffic but giving us hope that the few people who might be interested will be able to take a pretty fast trip from Bakersfield to Merced someday. But up in San Francisco, the Transit Center site still represents the hope that somehow, someday trains will zip in from Los Angeles. In the meantime, the Transit Center, touted as perhaps the safest building in the world, opened for bus service -- then closed again because it cracked. Popular Mechanics has the long, detailed story, which ends like this:
I wander past the bamboo and cactus groves and the monkey puzzle tree. I read a plaque explaining that the park rests on a base of structural foam, designed to let the structure ride out earthquakes, which, here on the lip of the San Andreas Fault, are sure to come. I recall architect Fred Clarke's claim that the STC was probably among the safest buildings in the world. At the mere thought of an earthquake, however, I reflexively imagine a transit-center apocalypse: buses crashing through the roof of the grand hall, smoke rising from shattered steel. The vision passes as quickly as it arose. With a combination of fatalism and blind faith, I again trust the minds and hands that have built the $2.2 billion dream of the Salesforce Transit Center.Music Feels so good
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Posted by: mindful webworker - commenter survival guide linked here at November 09, 2019 11:20 AM (5Ev1l)
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my eyes are tired
Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at November 09, 2019 11:23 AM (G546f)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 09, 2019 11:24 AM (tJvHx)
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"No, the rise and fall of communism has been the largest event of our days, but even those of us who should know that get distracted. Popular culture has distracted us away from that main point to hand-wringing about smaller items. . ."
No. Mass immigration IS the biggest event of our days.
Russia and all its satellites survived communism. China will survive communism. Will Sweden, The US, Germany and others survive mass immigration? Not unchanged, certainly .
No. Mass immigration IS the biggest event of our days.
Russia and all its satellites survived communism. China will survive communism. Will Sweden, The US, Germany and others survive mass immigration? Not unchanged, certainly .
Posted by: Sod buster at November 09, 2019 11:25 AM (Bf3hj)
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Some of Chuck Mangione's stuff is almost quasi disco but I still like his work.
I think this is my favorite song by him, its longer than most so it didn't get as much radio play
https://youtu.be/wBtxGiqqPTA
I think this is my favorite song by him, its longer than most so it didn't get as much radio play
https://youtu.be/wBtxGiqqPTA
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2019 11:26 AM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Muldoon at November 09, 2019 11:28 AM (m45I2)
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I have to give the Cali "high speed rail" thieves credit. This time they've managed to steal all the money without even actually building the project as a cover, thus freeing up more money to steal.
That's some world-class thievery, that is.
That's some world-class thievery, that is.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 09, 2019 11:28 AM (tJvHx)
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aww, this song brings back some sweet OK Boomer memories.
Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2019 11:28 AM (DJFLF)
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I have to give the Cali "high speed rail" thieves credit. This time they've managed to steal all the money without even actually building the project as a cover, thus freeing up more money to steal.
What happened to Trump's demand they pay back the money, since they did not fulfill the contract? The federal government (almost) never does that but its entirely legal and proper.
What happened to Trump's demand they pay back the money, since they did not fulfill the contract? The federal government (almost) never does that but its entirely legal and proper.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2019 11:29 AM (KZzsI)
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Is it no longer early morning? Guess not.
Posted by: mindful webworker
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'Morning' is just a cis-temporal construct. *Real* morning is defined by when I have had my second cup of coffee.
Posted by: mindful webworker
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'Morning' is just a cis-temporal construct. *Real* morning is defined by when I have had my second cup of coffee.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 09, 2019 11:30 AM (sHVgQ)
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Cali High Commissioner of Trains: Behold the California Transit high speed rail! Ta Daaaa!
Observer: I didn't see anything!
CHCoT: Exactly. Pretty darned high speed wouldn't you say? Wanna see it again?
Observer: I didn't see anything!
CHCoT: Exactly. Pretty darned high speed wouldn't you say? Wanna see it again?
Posted by: Muldoon at November 09, 2019 11:31 AM (m45I2)
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*Real* morning is defined by when I have had my second cup of coffee.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
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So we're talking about Hammer Time?
Posted by: Mike Hammer
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So we're talking about Hammer Time?
Posted by: Muldoon at November 09, 2019 11:32 AM (m45I2)
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Dang. I'm in sven mode. Maybe I'll try decaf.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 09, 2019 11:33 AM (m45I2)
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Friedman assumed a level of good faith absent in most totalitarian societies. Orwell had it when he said describes both Nazis and Communists as using identical methods, while being ideological hypocrites convinced that utopia was around the corner.
The results are the true goal. The "intention" is just a mask made of lies. It took being a nationalist before I realized that the minimum wage wasn't just economically absurd: it was designed to punish rural areas economically, which would benefit urban areas. The only problem was that I was not cynical enough.
The results are the true goal. The "intention" is just a mask made of lies. It took being a nationalist before I realized that the minimum wage wasn't just economically absurd: it was designed to punish rural areas economically, which would benefit urban areas. The only problem was that I was not cynical enough.
Posted by: trev006 at November 09, 2019 11:34 AM (V+8Zu)
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I learned this from The Road to Serfdom. If you want to see how free your society is, take a picture of your neighborhood. If it looks like an architect's drawing, you live in an unfree society.
It was instructive to look at photos of Portland's waterfront now and in the 1890s. Freedom looks messy and uncontrolled.
It was instructive to look at photos of Portland's waterfront now and in the 1890s. Freedom looks messy and uncontrolled.
Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 09, 2019 11:34 AM (Lqy/e)
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The Worst mistake is to assume that the slogans used to sell a policy or program have any resemblance to the actual intentions of the policy.
Posted by: Hereogar at November 09, 2019 11:35 AM (eQ0LF)
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Ace gettin' all HipHop in the sidebar and shit.
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2019 11:36 AM (JLNub)
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Central planning assumes that a few people are automatically wiser than a lot of people.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 09, 2019 11:36 AM (oVJmc)
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So we're talking about Hammer Time?
Posted by: Muldoon
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Mrs. H. refers to it as 'Mike Time', which is different than that of other folks. I was heartened when this was posted here this week:
"People Always Running Late Are Happier & Healthier"
Of course, I would have titled it "Unhurried People..."
http://preview.tinyurl.com/y2n929ua
Posted by: Muldoon
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Mrs. H. refers to it as 'Mike Time', which is different than that of other folks. I was heartened when this was posted here this week:
"People Always Running Late Are Happier & Healthier"
Of course, I would have titled it "Unhurried People..."
http://preview.tinyurl.com/y2n929ua
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 09, 2019 11:36 AM (sHVgQ)
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Milton Friedman was remarkably clear-eyed.
Posted by: Emmie at November 09, 2019 11:36 AM (i/wJA)
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Curses, this got willowed. It's too good not to repeat:
486 Some good stuff at Powerline's Week in pictures. Including this headline:
"Supporting Greta Thunberg is evidence of 'white supremacy', activsts claim."
Posted by: Eeyore at November 09, 2019 11:35 AM (ZbwAu)
486 Some good stuff at Powerline's Week in pictures. Including this headline:
"Supporting Greta Thunberg is evidence of 'white supremacy', activsts claim."
Posted by: Eeyore at November 09, 2019 11:35 AM (ZbwAu)
Posted by: Eeyore at November 09, 2019 11:36 AM (ZbwAu)
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I've mentioned I am learning up on my geology. It gives me some measure of comfort, knowing through the hundreds of millions of years, the continents have shifted this way and that, with much of the western part of the U.S., as it currently exists, is a quite recent development.
Which means someday, Californica WILL be washed out to sea.
Which means someday, Californica WILL be washed out to sea.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 09, 2019 11:37 AM (hku12)
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From the Genesis Times:
Suicide Hotline volunteer shocked when Hillary Clinton tried to 'place an order'
Suicide Hotline volunteer shocked when Hillary Clinton tried to 'place an order'
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 09, 2019 11:38 AM (+y/Ru)
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Cannibal Bob, if you're still stuck you can send your stupid fucking meme to the stupid fucking email address in my stupid fucking nic and I'll post it on a stupid fucking blog for the benefit of the stupid fucking Morons.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 09, 2019 11:38 AM (gd9RK)
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I keep telling young writers this, but its true in life as well.
Every bad guy thinks they're the hero of their story. Almost nobody in history of any consequence thought and meant to do the wrong thing. They think their ideas are good and their acts are just. Hitler didn't set out to be a monster, he set out to be a hero.
Good and evil must be judged not by intent or culture, it has to be judged against the harsh unflinching reality of objective morality. It doesn't matter what you meant to do or meant to do. It doesn't matter how you felt about it. All that matters is how it compares to objective, absolute morality.
Every bad guy thinks they're the hero of their story. Almost nobody in history of any consequence thought and meant to do the wrong thing. They think their ideas are good and their acts are just. Hitler didn't set out to be a monster, he set out to be a hero.
Good and evil must be judged not by intent or culture, it has to be judged against the harsh unflinching reality of objective morality. It doesn't matter what you meant to do or meant to do. It doesn't matter how you felt about it. All that matters is how it compares to objective, absolute morality.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2019 11:38 AM (KZzsI)
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Milton Friedman was remarkably clear-eyed.
Posted by: Emmie
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"Concentrated power is not rendered harmless by the good intentions of those who create it." Milton Friedman
Posted by: Emmie
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"Concentrated power is not rendered harmless by the good intentions of those who create it." Milton Friedman
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 09, 2019 11:39 AM (sHVgQ)
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Curses, this got willowed. It's too good not to repeat:
486 Some good stuff at Powerline's Week in pictures. Including this headline:
"Supporting Greta Thunberg is evidence of 'white supremacy', activsts claim."
Posted by: Eeyore at November 09, 2019 11:35 AM (ZbwAu)
Posted by: Eeyore at November 09, 2019 11:36 AM (ZbwAu)
486 Some good stuff at Powerline's Week in pictures. Including this headline:
"Supporting Greta Thunberg is evidence of 'white supremacy', activsts claim."
Posted by: Eeyore at November 09, 2019 11:35 AM (ZbwAu)
Posted by: Eeyore at November 09, 2019 11:36 AM (ZbwAu)
Posted by: BurtTC at November 09, 2019 11:39 AM (hku12)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 09, 2019 11:40 AM (+y/Ru)
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Even as a kid I immediately recognized the difference between communist countries and those countries led by 'right wing' dictators.
No protests in communist countries and no ability to travel at will in the country or to leave the country.
No protests in communist countries and no ability to travel at will in the country or to leave the country.
Posted by: Easy Andy at November 09, 2019 11:40 AM (2DOZq)
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Curses, this got willowed. It's too good not to repeat:
486 Some good stuff at Powerline's Week in pictures. Including this headline:
"Supporting Greta Thunberg is evidence of 'white supremacy', activsts claim."
Posted by: Eeyore at November 09, 2019 11:35 AM (ZbwAu)
Posted by: Eeyore at November 09, 2019 11:36 AM (ZbwAu)
Posted by: BurtTC at November 09, 2019 11:39 AM (hku12)
I hit 'post' too soon.
I'm going to stick to my guns on this one. Nothing about that girl is "cute." She's an ugly human being, in just about any measure one can think of.
She looks like someone who would have the skins of her enemies made into lampshades.
486 Some good stuff at Powerline's Week in pictures. Including this headline:
"Supporting Greta Thunberg is evidence of 'white supremacy', activsts claim."
Posted by: Eeyore at November 09, 2019 11:35 AM (ZbwAu)
Posted by: Eeyore at November 09, 2019 11:36 AM (ZbwAu)
Posted by: BurtTC at November 09, 2019 11:39 AM (hku12)
I hit 'post' too soon.
I'm going to stick to my guns on this one. Nothing about that girl is "cute." She's an ugly human being, in just about any measure one can think of.
She looks like someone who would have the skins of her enemies made into lampshades.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 09, 2019 11:40 AM (hku12)
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It's inescapable. I opened Pride and Prejudice, and there it was, in the first sentence:
"It is a truth universally acknowledged that Jeffrey Epstein did not kill himself."
"It is a truth universally acknowledged that Jeffrey Epstein did not kill himself."
Posted by: Eeyore at November 09, 2019 11:41 AM (ZbwAu)
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@9 What happened to Trump's demand they pay back the money, since they did not fulfill the contract? The federal government (almost) never does that but its entirely legal and proper.
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I haven't heard about it lately, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's still tied up in court.
The Popular Mechanics article is an interesting one. From the sound of things, there was essentially a "perfect storm" of events during construction that happened to cause the structural failure. Fortunately, it was caught before anyone got hurt, and they were able to fix it. And hopefully there are no further issues lurking within the walls of the building.
As for rail -
I'm not opposed to the idea of rail itself. But the implementation that I've seen has always been horrible. For a while, I rode the Gold Line in LA County down into Downtown LA. The Gold Line is generally considered the best of the rail lines in the LA Metro system. And it was a mess. It was not uncommon to have a transient asleep on the bench when I boarded a train car in the morning. And in the late afternoon, on my way home, it was not uncommon to see a food container (with the remains of a meal) that had been casually dumped on the floor of the train by an earlier passenger. The trains were crowded, and it was an all around unpleasant experience. In retrospect, I often suspect that I might have been better served by driving in even with all of the attendant traffic that would have had me dealing with.
On the positive side, the LA Metro still conducts spot checks to make sure that people are paying their fares, unlike some of the other big cities.
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I haven't heard about it lately, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's still tied up in court.
The Popular Mechanics article is an interesting one. From the sound of things, there was essentially a "perfect storm" of events during construction that happened to cause the structural failure. Fortunately, it was caught before anyone got hurt, and they were able to fix it. And hopefully there are no further issues lurking within the walls of the building.
As for rail -
I'm not opposed to the idea of rail itself. But the implementation that I've seen has always been horrible. For a while, I rode the Gold Line in LA County down into Downtown LA. The Gold Line is generally considered the best of the rail lines in the LA Metro system. And it was a mess. It was not uncommon to have a transient asleep on the bench when I boarded a train car in the morning. And in the late afternoon, on my way home, it was not uncommon to see a food container (with the remains of a meal) that had been casually dumped on the floor of the train by an earlier passenger. The trains were crowded, and it was an all around unpleasant experience. In retrospect, I often suspect that I might have been better served by driving in even with all of the attendant traffic that would have had me dealing with.
On the positive side, the LA Metro still conducts spot checks to make sure that people are paying their fares, unlike some of the other big cities.
Posted by: junior at November 09, 2019 11:41 AM (Fp6vo)
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OT: Here are some other variations on the Europe time-lapse map that Bander posted in the last thread:
https://preview.tinyurl.com/yxb9l7hk
I've seen the World War II map before and it is interesting in its own right.
https://preview.tinyurl.com/yxb9l7hk
I've seen the World War II map before and it is interesting in its own right.
Posted by: rickl at November 09, 2019 11:41 AM (yQlY7)
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 09, 2019 11:41 AM (+y/Ru)
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I was listening recently to a talk on the knowledge problem of centralized economy.
To make centralized decisions on economic requires a level of knowledge and reaction speed that is both impossible to reach, and functionally impossible to attain with the level and size of bureaucracy that would be required to try to implement it. The attempt to use macro-economics to chart a path to run an economy will always fail.
About halfway through, the presenter sighed, and said, "but everything appears possible when we decide to play SimCity"
There are two realities in this world: Macro-economics is what happens when you substitute theory for reality and is in error since all economics is Micro-Economics, every[\b] economic decisions is based on individual choice; and Epstein didn't kill himself
To make centralized decisions on economic requires a level of knowledge and reaction speed that is both impossible to reach, and functionally impossible to attain with the level and size of bureaucracy that would be required to try to implement it. The attempt to use macro-economics to chart a path to run an economy will always fail.
About halfway through, the presenter sighed, and said, "but everything appears possible when we decide to play SimCity"
There are two realities in this world: Macro-economics is what happens when you substitute theory for reality and is in error since all economics is Micro-Economics, every[\b] economic decisions is based on individual choice; and Epstein didn't kill himself
Posted by: Kindltot at November 09, 2019 11:42 AM (1glZx)
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The idea of centralized economic planning is a very seductive one.
I hope that idea gets trashed in this Great Awakening that's happening.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely, we've all heard that. (Hi, Hillary!) But we also see all the time that great power brings...great UNaccountability.
Always. Doesn't matter how you achieved your power- socialism, military dictatorship, popular acclaim, whatever. The antidote to absolute power is not absolute power.
I hope that idea gets trashed in this Great Awakening that's happening.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely, we've all heard that. (Hi, Hillary!) But we also see all the time that great power brings...great UNaccountability.
Always. Doesn't matter how you achieved your power- socialism, military dictatorship, popular acclaim, whatever. The antidote to absolute power is not absolute power.
Posted by: t-bird at November 09, 2019 11:42 AM (CDGwz)
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Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2019 11:38 AM (KZzsI)
Psychopaths don't have good or bad intentions. They just have intentions.
Psychopaths don't have good or bad intentions. They just have intentions.
Posted by: Easy Andy at November 09, 2019 11:42 AM (2DOZq)
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The argument for Communism / Socialism is one of Utility.
The argument of Utility is crap. Pure unadultered shit.
That's as much consideration as it needs.
The argument of Utility is crap. Pure unadultered shit.
That's as much consideration as it needs.
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2019 11:43 AM (JLNub)
Posted by: Kindltot at November 09, 2019 11:43 AM (1glZx)
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Watch that video of Greta doing that "how dare you" speech, with the sound off. Watch her face and her expressions. You can see her working out in her mind what she'll say and do next, the face she's supposed to make, the way she's supposed to deliver the next line. Its all an act. I don't mean that she doesn't beleive all this stuff, only that she's putting on a persona, every word, and isn't very good at it yet. That her real person is quiet and even frightened, and mentally unstable.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2019 11:43 AM (KZzsI)
Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at November 09, 2019 11:43 AM (G546f)
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Ah. Some of my favorite hordesters here this morning.
If you are wondering if you are one of my favorite hordesters, the answer is yes, you are.
If you are wondering if you are one of my favorite hordesters, the answer is yes, you are.
Posted by: Emmie at November 09, 2019 11:43 AM (i/wJA)
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Central Valley California has ONE Freeway, 99, which goes through it.
Its one of the most dangerous highways in the country, most deadly, and has more truck traffic on it all the time.
So what do they do? The Gov announced that he was taking money AWAY from the project to widen and modernize the Highway, to send to other areas.
Why? The Central Valley is the Flyover country of Calif. No political clout as it tends conservative.
So our Highway will suck. But we will have a high speed train, that leads to nowhere.
/spit
Its one of the most dangerous highways in the country, most deadly, and has more truck traffic on it all the time.
So what do they do? The Gov announced that he was taking money AWAY from the project to widen and modernize the Highway, to send to other areas.
Why? The Central Valley is the Flyover country of Calif. No political clout as it tends conservative.
So our Highway will suck. But we will have a high speed train, that leads to nowhere.
/spit
Posted by: Don Q, self identified Curmudgeon at November 09, 2019 11:43 AM (NgKpN)
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Dreams, like hope, are only for a very select few. For the rest of us, they're a false promise leading only to repeated devastation.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 09, 2019 11:43 AM (6H0QF)
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"People Always Running Late Are Happier & Healthier"
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Meh. Read through that and can't say that they make a very good case. By defining people who run late as being generally optimistic they create a false construct right off the bat. And generally optimistic people generally tend to have less high blood pressure which generally makes them healthier which generally may add years to their life.
I always am leery of articles (or I guess we're supposed to call them studies) that treat a multifactorial problem by statistically "freezing" all other variables aside from the one they want to consider and then make a grand pronouncement about cause and effect based on the one variable.
"People Always Running Late Are Happier & Healthier"
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Meh. Read through that and can't say that they make a very good case. By defining people who run late as being generally optimistic they create a false construct right off the bat. And generally optimistic people generally tend to have less high blood pressure which generally makes them healthier which generally may add years to their life.
I always am leery of articles (or I guess we're supposed to call them studies) that treat a multifactorial problem by statistically "freezing" all other variables aside from the one they want to consider and then make a grand pronouncement about cause and effect based on the one variable.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 09, 2019 11:43 AM (m45I2)
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Psychopaths don't have good or bad intentions. They just have intentions.
Most of them will couch it in a framework of intention though: I was trying to save them from the demons that live in their eyeballs.
Most of them will couch it in a framework of intention though: I was trying to save them from the demons that live in their eyeballs.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2019 11:44 AM (KZzsI)
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There are two realities in this world: Macro-economics is what happens when you substitute theory for reality and is in error since all economics is Micro-Economics, every[\b] economic decisions is based on individual choice; and Epstein didn't kill himself
Posted by: Kindltot at November 09, 2019 11:42 AM (1glZx)
Epstein was not allowed individual choice, Central Planning got him.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 09, 2019 11:42 AM (1glZx)
Epstein was not allowed individual choice, Central Planning got him.
Posted by: Don Q, self identified Curmudgeon at November 09, 2019 11:45 AM (NgKpN)
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Maybe I'll try decaf.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 09, 2019 11:33 AM (m45I2)
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Burn the warlock!
https://babylonbee.com/news/decaf-coffee-condemned-as-heresy
Posted by: Muldoon at November 09, 2019 11:33 AM (m45I2)
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Burn the warlock!
https://babylonbee.com/news/decaf-coffee-condemned-as-heresy
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 09, 2019 11:45 AM (Dc2NZ)
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Morning all
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 09, 2019 11:45 AM (cEsBM)
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@43 Why? The Central Valley is the Flyover country of Calif. No political clout as it tends conservative.
So our Highway will suck. But we will have a high speed train, that leads to nowhere.
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Even if it trended progressive, it likely wouldn't matter. There just aren't enough people there to have any real clout in Sacramento.
So our Highway will suck. But we will have a high speed train, that leads to nowhere.
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Even if it trended progressive, it likely wouldn't matter. There just aren't enough people there to have any real clout in Sacramento.
Posted by: junior at November 09, 2019 11:45 AM (Fp6vo)
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http://bit.ly/2K41yqL
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National Security Council staffer denies secret Ukraine conversations with Trump - Axios
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National Security Council staffer denies secret Ukraine conversations with Trump - Axios
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 09, 2019 11:46 AM (BqBId)
52
There are two realities in this world: Macro-economics is what happens when you substitute theory for reality and is in error since all economics is Micro-Economics, every[\b] economic decisions is based on individual choice; and Epstein didn't kill himself
Posted by: Kindltot at November 09, 2019 11:42 AM (1glZx)
This is almost entirely based on the principles espoused by Salma Hayek.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 09, 2019 11:42 AM (1glZx)
This is almost entirely based on the principles espoused by Salma Hayek.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 09, 2019 11:46 AM (hku12)
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When I'm running late I always feel worse. If I don't arrive 15 minutes early, I'm late.
This doesn't mean I get there on time...
This doesn't mean I get there on time...
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 09, 2019 11:46 AM (Dc2NZ)
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17 Ace gettin' all HipHop in the sidebar and shit.
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2019 11:36 AM (JLNub)
more OK Boomer memories!
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2019 11:36 AM (JLNub)
more OK Boomer memories!
Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2019 11:47 AM (DJFLF)
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40 Watch that video of Greta doing that "how dare you" speech, with the sound off. Watch her face and her expressions. You can see her working out in her mind what she'll say and do next, the face she's supposed to make, the way she's supposed to deliver the next line. Its all an act. I don't mean that she doesn't beleive all this stuff, only that she's putting on a persona, every word, and isn't very good at it yet. That her real person is quiet and even frightened, and mentally unstable.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2019 11:43 AM (KZzsI)
Takeaway here is mentally unstable.
That her parents and other activists use an obviously disturbed teenager for their political ends is disgraceful.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2019 11:43 AM (KZzsI)
Takeaway here is mentally unstable.
That her parents and other activists use an obviously disturbed teenager for their political ends is disgraceful.
Posted by: Marybeth at November 09, 2019 11:47 AM (4pK1/)
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Posted by: Muldoon at November 09, 2019 11:43 AM (m45I2)
Without reading the article I assume it points to people who aren't concerned with being on time aren't concerned with other issues that can also cause stress. Ignorance is bliss theory.
Stupid.
Without reading the article I assume it points to people who aren't concerned with being on time aren't concerned with other issues that can also cause stress. Ignorance is bliss theory.
Stupid.
Posted by: Easy Andy at November 09, 2019 11:47 AM (2DOZq)
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someone found a dead body in a town at the edge of our county, and cops are posting a pic of a tattoo and a windbreaker to help id the person
sad
sad
Posted by: vmom happy to have read a good book! at November 09, 2019 11:47 AM (G546f)
58
I loved the principles that DeTocqueville laid out. For a noble he was pretty perceptive and loved liberty.
He noted that the more local and small the government was, the better it worked and the more accountable it was. He gave many, extensive depictions of how and why this is true in early America, and how America was beginning to lose that and how it wasn't working as well.
He noted that the more local and small the government was, the better it worked and the more accountable it was. He gave many, extensive depictions of how and why this is true in early America, and how America was beginning to lose that and how it wasn't working as well.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2019 11:48 AM (KZzsI)
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"Concentrated power is not rendered harmless by the good intentions of those who create it." Milton Friedman
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 09, 2019 11:39 AM (sHVgQ)
Yes, I've wondered how my left-infatuated friends can believe that putting personal choices in the hands of power-hungry bureaucrats will turn out okay.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 09, 2019 11:39 AM (sHVgQ)
Yes, I've wondered how my left-infatuated friends can believe that putting personal choices in the hands of power-hungry bureaucrats will turn out okay.
Posted by: Emmie at November 09, 2019 11:48 AM (i/wJA)
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I feel ashamed. How could I, of all people, have overlooked this:
"And I said to myself: The others will be sorry if I'm
getting myself all cold. They haven't got Brains, any of them,
only grey fluff that's blown into their heads by mistake, and
they don't Think, but if it goes on snowing for another six
weeks or so, one of them will begin to say to himself: 'Eeyore
can't be so very much too Hot about three o'clock in the
morning.' And then it will Get About. And they'll be Sorry."
"The really exciting part," said Eeyore in his most
melancholy voice, "is that when I left it this morning it was
there, and when I came back it wasn't. Not at all, very
natural, and it was only Eeyore's house. But still I just
wondered."
"Sometimes," said Eeyore, "when people have quite
finished taking a person's house, there are one or two bits
which they don't want and are rather glad for the person to
take back, if you know what I mean. There!" said Eeyore. "Not a stick of it left! Of course, I've still got all this snow to do what I like with. One mustn't complain."
"But they even took the proof that Epstein didn't kill himself."
"And I said to myself: The others will be sorry if I'm
getting myself all cold. They haven't got Brains, any of them,
only grey fluff that's blown into their heads by mistake, and
they don't Think, but if it goes on snowing for another six
weeks or so, one of them will begin to say to himself: 'Eeyore
can't be so very much too Hot about three o'clock in the
morning.' And then it will Get About. And they'll be Sorry."
"The really exciting part," said Eeyore in his most
melancholy voice, "is that when I left it this morning it was
there, and when I came back it wasn't. Not at all, very
natural, and it was only Eeyore's house. But still I just
wondered."
"Sometimes," said Eeyore, "when people have quite
finished taking a person's house, there are one or two bits
which they don't want and are rather glad for the person to
take back, if you know what I mean. There!" said Eeyore. "Not a stick of it left! Of course, I've still got all this snow to do what I like with. One mustn't complain."
"But they even took the proof that Epstein didn't kill himself."
Posted by: Eeyore at November 09, 2019 11:48 AM (ZbwAu)
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When reality does not conform to the dream [KT]
Case in point:
"Next week's Arctic blast will be so cold, forecasters expect it to break 170 records across US"
https://tinyurl.com/y2btvf6n
Case in point:
"Next week's Arctic blast will be so cold, forecasters expect it to break 170 records across US"
https://tinyurl.com/y2btvf6n
Posted by: pep at November 09, 2019 11:50 AM (T6t7i)
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Psychopaths don't have good or bad intentions. They just have intentions.
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Most of them will couch it in a framework of intention though: I was trying to save them from the demons that live in their eyeballs.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2019 11:44 AM (KZzsI)
You're describing psychosis, not psychopathy.
If you want to know what a psychopath looks like, re-read your description of Greta Thunderc**t.
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Most of them will couch it in a framework of intention though: I was trying to save them from the demons that live in their eyeballs.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2019 11:44 AM (KZzsI)
You're describing psychosis, not psychopathy.
If you want to know what a psychopath looks like, re-read your description of Greta Thunderc**t.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 09, 2019 11:50 AM (hku12)
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I plan on pounding Schnitzel with my new meat hammer today.
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 09, 2019 11:50 AM (QZCjk)
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"Uncle Milton was a smart man."
And he had an enormous penis, too.
Oh, sorry. Thought we were talking about Milton Berle.
And he had an enormous penis, too.
Oh, sorry. Thought we were talking about Milton Berle.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at November 09, 2019 11:50 AM (I99aF)
65
The farther away problem-solvers are from the problem , the worst job they do. It's science.
Posted by: Easy Andy at November 09, 2019 11:51 AM (2DOZq)
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When I'm running late I always feel worse.
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Don't allow yourself to be shamed by the Temporalists!
They are just using the clock as a tool to bully you!
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Don't allow yourself to be shamed by the Temporalists!
They are just using the clock as a tool to bully you!
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 09, 2019 11:51 AM (sHVgQ)
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63 I plan on pounding Schnitzel with my new meat hammer today.
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 09, 2019 11:50 AM (QZCjk)
You got the addadicktome?
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 09, 2019 11:50 AM (QZCjk)
You got the addadicktome?
Posted by: Insomniac at November 09, 2019 11:51 AM (NWiLs)
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> No protests in communist countries and no ability to travel at will in the country or to leave the country.
The desirability of a country can be determined by looking at just one factor:
Do they need guards to keep people out, or guards to keep people in?
You don't see people building rafts in Miami to get to Havana, even if they do have "free health care" over there.
The desirability of a country can be determined by looking at just one factor:
Do they need guards to keep people out, or guards to keep people in?
You don't see people building rafts in Miami to get to Havana, even if they do have "free health care" over there.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 09, 2019 11:52 AM (tJvHx)
69
Yes, I've wondered how my left-infatuated friends can believe that putting personal choices in the hands of power-hungry bureaucrats will turn out okay.
Because they intend to be the power-hungry bureaucrats.
Life is generally sweet for the nomenklatura, whatever the consequences for the rest of the population.
Because they intend to be the power-hungry bureaucrats.
Life is generally sweet for the nomenklatura, whatever the consequences for the rest of the population.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 09, 2019 11:52 AM (I2/tG)
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When reality doesn't conform with the dream.
Case in point- Broward County Schools.
Problem: Crimes committed by students exceed the rate projected by wishful thinking.
Solution: Stop reporting crimes committed by students.
Result: Reported crime rates quickly come into alignment with the dream.
Case in point- Broward County Schools.
Problem: Crimes committed by students exceed the rate projected by wishful thinking.
Solution: Stop reporting crimes committed by students.
Result: Reported crime rates quickly come into alignment with the dream.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 09, 2019 11:52 AM (m45I2)
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If you want to know what a psychopath looks like, re-read your description of Greta Thunderc**t.
And what does she frame her actions in? "we have to save the planet from evil capitalism."
Self-justification and creating a story where we're the good guy is inherent to humanity, even the crazy ones.
And what does she frame her actions in? "we have to save the planet from evil capitalism."
Self-justification and creating a story where we're the good guy is inherent to humanity, even the crazy ones.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2019 11:52 AM (KZzsI)
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In order to save myself from major blood pressure spikes I have come to believe the dems will impeach Trump. They have little choice as their base demands it and MSM wants it. Only takes a simple majority in House vote and high crimes and misdemeanors are what ever they decide they are. So will not watch the coming show trials but I will be secure in the fact that he will not be removed by the senate with only the two wicked witches and the bi*ch from Utah voting to convict.
Posted by: xa4 nasal radiator at November 09, 2019 11:52 AM (xkudx)
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Hammer, are you saying I can self-identify as "15 minutes early"?
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 09, 2019 11:53 AM (Dc2NZ)
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 09, 2019 11:53 AM (tJvHx)
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In her testimony, Fiona Hill claimed that poor, old George Soros was the target of the crazy deplorables because of "anti-Semitic" bigotry. That's why we hate him. He's Jewish, that's the sole reason we hate him.
I hope PT dumps most of the NSC. They are corrupt, all of them.
I hope PT dumps most of the NSC. They are corrupt, all of them.
Posted by: Ever at November 09, 2019 11:53 AM (ZZDMQ)
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Here's the transcript of Gruppenfuhrer Thunberg's speech to the UN. It's positively Hitlerian:
https://tinyurl.com/y4ouywbv
https://tinyurl.com/y4ouywbv
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 09, 2019 11:53 AM (oVJmc)
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38 The argument for Communism / Socialism is one of Utility.
The argument of Utility is crap. Pure unadultered shit.
That's as much consideration as it needs.
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2019 11:43 AM (JLNub)
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Of course, all arguments from utility (or pragmatism) fail because utility doesn't work.
The argument of Utility is crap. Pure unadultered shit.
That's as much consideration as it needs.
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2019 11:43 AM (JLNub)
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Of course, all arguments from utility (or pragmatism) fail because utility doesn't work.
Posted by: Eeyore at November 09, 2019 11:54 AM (ZbwAu)
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I plan on pounding Schnitzel with my new meat hammer today.
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*whispery voiceover*
The secret word for the day is 'euphemism'.
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*whispery voiceover*
The secret word for the day is 'euphemism'.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 09, 2019 11:54 AM (m45I2)
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I plan on pounding Schnitzel with my new meat hammer today.
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 09, 2019 11:50 AM (QZCjk)
Hopefully you do not have a dog named Schnitzel.
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 09, 2019 11:50 AM (QZCjk)
Hopefully you do not have a dog named Schnitzel.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 09, 2019 11:54 AM (hku12)
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> "we have to save the planet from evil capitalism."
'Cuz Red China, North Korea, and the former Soviet Union are such fine examples of responsible environmental stewardship, right?
'Cuz Red China, North Korea, and the former Soviet Union are such fine examples of responsible environmental stewardship, right?
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 09, 2019 11:54 AM (tJvHx)
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Life is generally sweet for the nomenklatura, whatever the consequences for the rest of the population.
I got to spend time in government Dachas outside of Minsk. This was a huge, homey, upgrade from the Intourist hotel.
They were nice. They were a lot like the lakefront cabin an American auto worker might have had in the sixties.
Except no motorboats in the driveway.
I got to spend time in government Dachas outside of Minsk. This was a huge, homey, upgrade from the Intourist hotel.
They were nice. They were a lot like the lakefront cabin an American auto worker might have had in the sixties.
Except no motorboats in the driveway.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 09, 2019 11:55 AM (gd9RK)
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I have only a vague idea of the numbers, but doesn't E Warren's plan (besides removing individual choice) cost more than the current total tax revenues? And when considered per person, costs as much as a major surgery or two per person each year? That's just with calculating US citizens. Average expenditure per person goes down when including illegals.
Posted by: Emmie at November 09, 2019 11:55 AM (i/wJA)
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An increasing number of leftists in Portland openly acknowledge that they are communists.
Portland has tens of thousands of people who have actually lived under Communist regimes (Vietnam, Soviet Union, China). Their experiences are irrelevant, of course.
Portland has tens of thousands of people who have actually lived under Communist regimes (Vietnam, Soviet Union, China). Their experiences are irrelevant, of course.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 09, 2019 11:56 AM (I2/tG)
84
> I've wondered how my left-infatuated friends can believe that putting
personal choices in the hands of power-hungry bureaucrats will turn out
okay.
They think they're going to be the ones holding the whip.
personal choices in the hands of power-hungry bureaucrats will turn out
okay.
They think they're going to be the ones holding the whip.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 09, 2019 11:56 AM (tJvHx)
85
Ever notice that even O'Brien never tried to convince Winston that Epstein committed suicide?
Posted by: Eeyore at November 09, 2019 11:56 AM (ZbwAu)
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we have to save the planet from evil capitalism."
'Cuz Red China, North Korea, and the former Soviet Union are such fine examples of responsible environmental stewardship, right?
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 09, 2019 11:54 AM (tJvHx)
Western culture of today allows these psychopaths to always take the path of least resistance.
'Cuz Red China, North Korea, and the former Soviet Union are such fine examples of responsible environmental stewardship, right?
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 09, 2019 11:54 AM (tJvHx)
Western culture of today allows these psychopaths to always take the path of least resistance.
Posted by: Easy Andy at November 09, 2019 11:57 AM (2DOZq)
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Hammer, are you saying I can self-identify as "15 minutes early"?
Posted by: All Hail Eris
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Well, I suppose so. If you assert that, no one would have the nerve to criticize, apparently.
Posted by: All Hail Eris
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Well, I suppose so. If you assert that, no one would have the nerve to criticize, apparently.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 09, 2019 11:57 AM (sHVgQ)
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Portland has tens of thousands of people who have actually lived under Communist regimes (Vietnam, Soviet Union, China). Their experiences are irrelevant, of course.
Yes, but they were mostly little brown people. These young white people will do it RIGHT this time, you see. Fewer killing fields and skulls. More free lattes
Yes, but they were mostly little brown people. These young white people will do it RIGHT this time, you see. Fewer killing fields and skulls. More free lattes
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2019 11:57 AM (KZzsI)
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"perfect storm" of the three factors that Engelhardt says characterize brittle fractures: weakness in the metal, damage during fabrication, and the stress of load during use.
That's bullshit; this is not a perfect storm. You design for load, you certify the material and the welders, you inspect samples and the finished product. Unless, of course, you don't.
That's bullshit; this is not a perfect storm. You design for load, you certify the material and the welders, you inspect samples and the finished product. Unless, of course, you don't.
Posted by: t-bird at November 09, 2019 11:58 AM (IMdOQ)
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@82 I have only a vague idea of the numbers, but doesn't E Warren's plan (besides removing individual choice) cost more than the current total tax revenues? And when considered per person, costs as much as a major surgery or two per person each year? That's just with calculating US citizens. Average expenditure per person goes down when including illegals.
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Pretty much.
In a rare moment of sanity, California's legislative bodies voted down its own single payer plan for the state not all that long ago. Forecasted costs for the plan were more than the entire state budget. And yet there were still an absurdly huge number of people pushing for it.
Fortunately - presumably because the Democratic leaders realized that the costs weren't something that they could kick down the road for the next generation of political leaders - it didn't get passed.
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Pretty much.
In a rare moment of sanity, California's legislative bodies voted down its own single payer plan for the state not all that long ago. Forecasted costs for the plan were more than the entire state budget. And yet there were still an absurdly huge number of people pushing for it.
Fortunately - presumably because the Democratic leaders realized that the costs weren't something that they could kick down the road for the next generation of political leaders - it didn't get passed.
Posted by: junior at November 09, 2019 11:58 AM (Fp6vo)
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52 There are two realities in this world: Macro-economics is what happens when you substitute theory for reality and is in error since all economics is Micro-Economics, every[\b] economic decisions is based on individual choice; and Epstein didn't kill himself
Posted by: Kindltot at November 09, 2019 11:42 AM (1glZx)
This is almost entirely based on the principles espoused by Salma Hayek.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 09, 2019 11:46 AM (hku12)
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Did you read that in The Book of Busty Women?
Posted by: Kindltot at November 09, 2019 11:42 AM (1glZx)
This is almost entirely based on the principles espoused by Salma Hayek.
Posted by: BurtTC at November 09, 2019 11:46 AM (hku12)
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Did you read that in The Book of Busty Women?
Posted by: Eeyore at November 09, 2019 11:58 AM (ZbwAu)
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@83 Portland has tens of thousands of people who have actually lived under Communist regimes (Vietnam, Soviet Union, China). Their experiences are irrelevant, of course.
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That's because the Communism that those refugees experienced wasn't *real* communism. The Portlanders will get it right.
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That's because the Communism that those refugees experienced wasn't *real* communism. The Portlanders will get it right.
Posted by: junior at November 09, 2019 11:59 AM (Fp6vo)
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>> Portland has tens of thousands of people who have actually lived under Communist regimes (Vietnam, Soviet Union, China). Their experiences are irrelevant, of course.
Portland also has the highest percentage of Satanists of any city in the country. That place is a disease.
Portland also has the highest percentage of Satanists of any city in the country. That place is a disease.
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2019 12:00 PM (JLNub)
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> The Portlanders will get it right.
Yep, a guy with ear gauges and $200K in student loans for his master's degree in queer studies is totes the person to get the economy humming along.
Yep, a guy with ear gauges and $200K in student loans for his master's degree in queer studies is totes the person to get the economy humming along.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 09, 2019 12:00 PM (tJvHx)
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He noted that the more local and small the government was, the
better it worked and the more accountable it was. He gave many,
extensive depictions of how and why this is true in early America, and
how America was beginning to lose that and how it wasn't working as
well.
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Yep. Remember the counterintuitive that we consolidate various independent taxing bodies to 'save money'.
Makes me crazy and irritable. Let the taxing units deal with each other, rather than overwhelming the citizen who has to pay for agreed expenses.
The arguments for 'saving money' are totally bogus. See, for example, school districts.
He noted that the more local and small the government was, the
better it worked and the more accountable it was. He gave many,
extensive depictions of how and why this is true in early America, and
how America was beginning to lose that and how it wasn't working as
well.
=====
Yep. Remember the counterintuitive that we consolidate various independent taxing bodies to 'save money'.
Makes me crazy and irritable. Let the taxing units deal with each other, rather than overwhelming the citizen who has to pay for agreed expenses.
The arguments for 'saving money' are totally bogus. See, for example, school districts.
Posted by: mustbequantum at November 09, 2019 12:00 PM (MIKMs)
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Without reading the article I assume it points to people who aren't concerned with being on time aren't concerned with other issues that can also cause stress. Ignorance is bliss theory.
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There was a hint of that, but they also explicitly tried to make the case that optimistic people tend to truly think that they can handle all of the tasks (errands, meetings, etc) that are facing them within an unrealistic timeframe and thus tend to run late with everything, but that's okay because optimistic people are [automatically] healthier.
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There was a hint of that, but they also explicitly tried to make the case that optimistic people tend to truly think that they can handle all of the tasks (errands, meetings, etc) that are facing them within an unrealistic timeframe and thus tend to run late with everything, but that's okay because optimistic people are [automatically] healthier.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 09, 2019 12:01 PM (m45I2)
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Life is generally sweet for the nomenklatura, whatever the consequences for the rest of the population.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 09, 2019 11:52 AM (I2/tG)
I've seen both types -- those who want to rule and those who just think it would be good to have someone rule. But the latter would not approve of the rich and powerful gaining more power and wealth at the expense of the rest of us, but they somehow don't think that would happen. I think they think the powerful would be as nice and compassionate as they themselves are.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 09, 2019 11:52 AM (I2/tG)
I've seen both types -- those who want to rule and those who just think it would be good to have someone rule. But the latter would not approve of the rich and powerful gaining more power and wealth at the expense of the rest of us, but they somehow don't think that would happen. I think they think the powerful would be as nice and compassionate as they themselves are.
Posted by: Emmie at November 09, 2019 12:01 PM (i/wJA)
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2019 12:01 PM (JLNub)
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Greetings:
I grew up in the Bronx of the '50s and '60s. Every so often Mother would drag my sister and me down to Herald Square for a varsity level shopping expedition. One of the things that always impressed me was the TV department where a whole floor to ceiling wall would be filled with TVs from all over.
In the '70s, I spent some time in Murmansk, USSR. One day we went to the largest department store in town. So, I go looking for the TV department which wasn't so much a department as a portable (it had a handle) model sitting on top of a console (floor) model. Both were B&W only and neither was plugged in.
I grew up in the Bronx of the '50s and '60s. Every so often Mother would drag my sister and me down to Herald Square for a varsity level shopping expedition. One of the things that always impressed me was the TV department where a whole floor to ceiling wall would be filled with TVs from all over.
In the '70s, I spent some time in Murmansk, USSR. One day we went to the largest department store in town. So, I go looking for the TV department which wasn't so much a department as a portable (it had a handle) model sitting on top of a console (floor) model. Both were B&W only and neither was plugged in.
Posted by: 11B40 at November 09, 2019 12:02 PM (evgyj)
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Portland also has the highest percentage of Satanists of any city in the country. That place is a disease.
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2019 12:00 PM (JLNub)
Why don't Atheist advocates give Satanists a hard time but instead frequently ally with them?
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2019 12:00 PM (JLNub)
Why don't Atheist advocates give Satanists a hard time but instead frequently ally with them?
Posted by: Easy Andy at November 09, 2019 12:02 PM (2DOZq)
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Reading Derb the Chinese are happy with their lot at the moment. Well the Chinese that received the middle class lifestyle. The other billion Chinese is an unknown.
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 09, 2019 12:02 PM (VyOxI)
Posted by: Emmie at November 09, 2019 12:03 PM (i/wJA)
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They think they're going to be the ones holding the whip.
You definitely see this in Portland - there are a lot of hard-Left people holding marginal. low paying jobs at leftist nonprofits and whatnot who clearly view a huge, all-intrusive government as an enormous opportunity for them personally.
After all, someone has to staff the organization that allocates housing once the government has taken it over, or to sit on the government committee that determines whether your request for air travel is legitimate or not.
You definitely see this in Portland - there are a lot of hard-Left people holding marginal. low paying jobs at leftist nonprofits and whatnot who clearly view a huge, all-intrusive government as an enormous opportunity for them personally.
After all, someone has to staff the organization that allocates housing once the government has taken it over, or to sit on the government committee that determines whether your request for air travel is legitimate or not.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 09, 2019 12:03 PM (I2/tG)
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That's bullshit; this is not a perfect storm.
I hate that phrase, "the perfect storm." Its so weird that a little movie like that created a new buzz phrase for middle management to trot out meaninglessly.
I hate that phrase, "the perfect storm." Its so weird that a little movie like that created a new buzz phrase for middle management to trot out meaninglessly.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2019 12:03 PM (KZzsI)
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@99 In the '70s, I spent some time in Murmansk, USSR. One day we went to the largest department store in town. So, I go looking for the TV department which wasn't so much a department as a portable (it had a handle) model sitting on top of a console (floor) model. Both were B&W only and neither was plugged in.
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Have you seen the Coffee Aisle sequence from 'Moscow on the Hudson'?
https://tinyurl.com/hdb83qp
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Have you seen the Coffee Aisle sequence from 'Moscow on the Hudson'?
https://tinyurl.com/hdb83qp
Posted by: junior at November 09, 2019 12:04 PM (Fp6vo)
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Why don't Atheist advocates give Satanists a hard time but instead frequently ally with them?
Because for at least the really loud, obnoxious atheists, its not about rejecting a divinity, its about hating Christians.
Yep, a guy with ear gauges and $200K in student loans for his master's degree in queer studies is totes the person to get the economy humming along.
"How can this possibly go wrong?"
--Girl with tattooed eyeballs, a half shaved head, and pink hair
Because for at least the really loud, obnoxious atheists, its not about rejecting a divinity, its about hating Christians.
Yep, a guy with ear gauges and $200K in student loans for his master's degree in queer studies is totes the person to get the economy humming along.
"How can this possibly go wrong?"
--Girl with tattooed eyeballs, a half shaved head, and pink hair
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2019 12:04 PM (KZzsI)
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>>Why don't Atheist advocates give Satanists a hard time but instead frequently ally with them?
Because Atheist Advocates are not necessarily in it for their beliefs. They are merely in it to cause strife for others. A specific group of others that remind them of their parents.
Most thoughtful atheists have no problem with the religious beliefs of other people. They accept them for what they are and move on.
Because Atheist Advocates are not necessarily in it for their beliefs. They are merely in it to cause strife for others. A specific group of others that remind them of their parents.
Most thoughtful atheists have no problem with the religious beliefs of other people. They accept them for what they are and move on.
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2019 12:05 PM (JLNub)
108
That's because the Communism that those refugees experienced wasn't *real* communism. The Portlanders will get it right.
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Ah, yes. The edumacated class dictating to the ignorant. /s
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Ah, yes. The edumacated class dictating to the ignorant. /s
Posted by: mustbequantum at November 09, 2019 12:05 PM (MIKMs)
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They think they're going to be the ones holding the whip.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 09, 2019 11:56 AM (tJvHx)
See #97
But in a lot of cases, yes.
Posted by: Rodrigo Borgia at November 09, 2019 11:56 AM (tJvHx)
See #97
But in a lot of cases, yes.
Posted by: Emmie at November 09, 2019 12:06 PM (i/wJA)
110
OT early.
President Trump awarded the President's Citizen Medal to Rick Rescorla on 11/7.
Video of the event:
https://tinyurl.com/Rescorla-PCM
Recall he was a hero of 9/11, dying after saving 2700 Morgan Stanley employees. He was also a very brave soldier during the Battle of Ia Drang (of We Were Soldiers Once . . . And Young fame).
Powerline Blog has more info on him and some more links:
https://tinyurl.com/Powerline-on-Rescorla
During the Battle of Ia Stang, Rescorla was heard singing Men Of Harlech as he fought.
RIP, Soldier.
President Trump awarded the President's Citizen Medal to Rick Rescorla on 11/7.
Video of the event:
https://tinyurl.com/Rescorla-PCM
Recall he was a hero of 9/11, dying after saving 2700 Morgan Stanley employees. He was also a very brave soldier during the Battle of Ia Drang (of We Were Soldiers Once . . . And Young fame).
Powerline Blog has more info on him and some more links:
https://tinyurl.com/Powerline-on-Rescorla
During the Battle of Ia Stang, Rescorla was heard singing Men Of Harlech as he fought.
RIP, Soldier.
Posted by: Sharkman at November 09, 2019 12:06 PM (U50PB)
111
California's legislative bodies voted down its own single payer plan
Only works nationwide, with a huge, Nazi-style exit tax to keep people from fleeing the country.
Only works nationwide, with a huge, Nazi-style exit tax to keep people from fleeing the country.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 09, 2019 12:06 PM (I2/tG)
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Portland has tens of thousands of people who have actually lived under Communist regimes (Vietnam, Soviet Union, China). Their experiences are irrelevant, of course.
Posted by: The ARC of History!
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Are they speaking up?
I have an idea: an Asian/Latino/European alliance of ex-commie citizens in America. Someone ought to organize that against the Young White Socialists, who opened for Castle Fife in 1986.
Portland has tens of thousands of people who have actually lived under Communist regimes (Vietnam, Soviet Union, China). Their experiences are irrelevant, of course.
Posted by: The ARC of History!
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Are they speaking up?
I have an idea: an Asian/Latino/European alliance of ex-commie citizens in America. Someone ought to organize that against the Young White Socialists, who opened for Castle Fife in 1986.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 09, 2019 12:06 PM (13CQC)
113
Perfect Storm = Black Swan.
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 09, 2019 12:07 PM (VyOxI)
114
Mike Hammer, did my email address work for you?
Posted by: Ben Had at November 09, 2019 12:08 PM (CSvq/)
115
In the '70s, I spent some time in Murmansk, USSR. One day we went to the largest department store in town. So, I go looking for the TV department which wasn't so much a department as a portable (it had a handle) model sitting on top of a console (floor) model. Both were B&W only and neither was plugged in.
And remember: this was the special "foreign guests" store, where they stocked stuff the subjects of the Soviet could not get. This was the place you could buy things for your Communist handler/guide that would warm their hearts and make them cry with gratitude because they could never get it in their stores.
And remember: this was the special "foreign guests" store, where they stocked stuff the subjects of the Soviet could not get. This was the place you could buy things for your Communist handler/guide that would warm their hearts and make them cry with gratitude because they could never get it in their stores.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2019 12:08 PM (KZzsI)
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Why doesn't Cannibal Bob just go to www.tinyurl.com and use that to spread his meme seed far and wide?
If a dumbass like me can figure it out, surely an esteemed Eater of Forbidden Flesh can do so as well.
If a dumbass like me can figure it out, surely an esteemed Eater of Forbidden Flesh can do so as well.
Posted by: Sharkman at November 09, 2019 12:08 PM (U50PB)
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Have you seen the Coffee Aisle sequence from 'Moscow on the Hudson'?
Heh. I haven't seen that in forever. Nice.
Heh. I haven't seen that in forever. Nice.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 09, 2019 12:08 PM (gd9RK)
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>>remember: this was the special "foreign guests" store, where they stocked stuff the subjects of the Soviet could not get. This was the place you could buy things for your Communist handler/guide that would warm their hearts and make them cry with gratitude because they could never get it in their stores.
Like Toilet Paper and a second Beet!
Like Toilet Paper and a second Beet!
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2019 12:08 PM (JLNub)
119
In my experience, there are three kinds of atheists, for the most part.
1) just regular folks who don't believe in the supernatural and don't care if you do, even if you seem odd to them
2) people who used to be Christian and rejected it, and are really bitter about it
3) people who hate authority and love to shock everyone by being really militant, obnoxious, and offensive about it.
1) just regular folks who don't believe in the supernatural and don't care if you do, even if you seem odd to them
2) people who used to be Christian and rejected it, and are really bitter about it
3) people who hate authority and love to shock everyone by being really militant, obnoxious, and offensive about it.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2019 12:09 PM (KZzsI)
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I've observed that some people think that various annoyances in life could be extinguished if only some force would keep them from happening. This seems most prevalent in crowded areas, like cities, where a lot of this jostling occurs. Things are unpleasant, it's beyond your individual ability to fix, so maybe the government could act as hall monitor.
Posted by: Emmie at November 09, 2019 12:10 PM (i/wJA)
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When I was still working, I would snowbird it to Arkansas. Working in a furniture factory, I met one of the many Vietnamese in the river valley. This guy had been an ARVN Dai uy, a captain. He had many choice words for Communists, and incidentally, for the Democrats who sold his country down the river.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at November 09, 2019 12:10 PM (C1Lsn)
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It was instructive to look at photos of Portland's waterfront now and in the 1890s. Freedom looks messy and uncontrolled.
Posted by: Notsothoreau
Agreed. I live in a house built i 1975. Only one like it in the hood. All the newer homes look like were made with a cookie cutter.
Posted by: Notsothoreau
Agreed. I live in a house built i 1975. Only one like it in the hood. All the newer homes look like were made with a cookie cutter.
Posted by: Infidel at November 09, 2019 12:11 PM (dgt0l)
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California's legislative bodies voted down its own single payer plan
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Which I halfway regret. Here I am again, torn between common sense and wanting to just get it over with.
California's legislative bodies voted down its own single payer plan
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Which I halfway regret. Here I am again, torn between common sense and wanting to just get it over with.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 09, 2019 12:12 PM (13CQC)
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If a dumbass like me can figure it out, surely an esteemed Eater of Forbidden Flesh can do so as well.
Posted by: Sharkman at November 09, 2019 12:08 PM (U50PB)
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*whispers*
Kuru
Posted by: Sharkman at November 09, 2019 12:08 PM (U50PB)
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*whispers*
Kuru
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 09, 2019 12:12 PM (Dc2NZ)
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Have you seen the Coffee Aisle sequence from 'Moscow on the Hudson'?
The thing is, people from ENGLAND have that response when they come to an American store. The selection is overwhelming.
The main thing I remember from that movie, though, is how hairy Robin Williams was. The man was half ape.
The thing is, people from ENGLAND have that response when they come to an American store. The selection is overwhelming.
The main thing I remember from that movie, though, is how hairy Robin Williams was. The man was half ape.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2019 12:12 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2019 12:12 PM (6a1j2)
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I loved the principles that DeTocqueville laid out. For a noble he was pretty perceptive and loved liberty.
He was pretty perceptive without qualification.
I loved the principles that DeTocqueville laid out. For a noble he was pretty perceptive and loved liberty.
He was pretty perceptive without qualification.
Posted by: pep at November 09, 2019 12:12 PM (T6t7i)
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While we await the Gardening Thread, remember to tiptoe through the tulips
Posted by: zombie Herbert Khaury at November 09, 2019 12:12 PM (DMUuz)
Posted by: Emmie at November 09, 2019 12:12 PM (i/wJA)
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They think they're going to be the ones holding the whip.
For a while. As the joke went in the Soviet Union in the 1930's: "The only thing more fatal than being a Communist is to be an important Communist."
Stephen Kotkin's biography of Stalin noted that during the 1920's, a number of Russians with international reputations were exiled from USSR by all being placed on one ship, which then sailed abroad.
Kotkin noted that most of the exiles lived longer than the Communists who escorted them to the ship, who were mostly shot in the 1930's.
For a while. As the joke went in the Soviet Union in the 1930's: "The only thing more fatal than being a Communist is to be an important Communist."
Stephen Kotkin's biography of Stalin noted that during the 1920's, a number of Russians with international reputations were exiled from USSR by all being placed on one ship, which then sailed abroad.
Kotkin noted that most of the exiles lived longer than the Communists who escorted them to the ship, who were mostly shot in the 1930's.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 09, 2019 12:12 PM (I2/tG)
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Here's another jillion-dollar transit hub that was supposed to link up with the bullet train, and lots of buses. Nobody home! Empty! Just like the taxpayers' pockets!
https://tinyurl.com/y2x5e72n
https://tinyurl.com/y2x5e72n
Posted by: PJ at November 09, 2019 12:12 PM (qlTN9)
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Atheists always strike me as a cartoon of church ladies.
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 09, 2019 12:13 PM (VyOxI)
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I've been at Pep Boys since 8am.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2019 12:12 PM
May we assume you took your car there, to pep 'er up?
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2019 12:12 PM
May we assume you took your car there, to pep 'er up?
Posted by: Duncanthrax The Austere at November 09, 2019 12:13 PM (DMUuz)
134
Do you remember the "Japan, Inc" kerfuffle back in the early 70's? The Japanese were buying Rockefeller Center; famous golf courses (Pebble Beach), etc? And putting U.S. automakers through hell, when they weren't putting them out of business entirely?
That was the last time I can recall when there was a lot of discussion about how central economic planning might be the only answer to our crisis.
That was the last time I can recall when there was a lot of discussion about how central economic planning might be the only answer to our crisis.
Posted by: mnw at November 09, 2019 12:14 PM (Cssks)
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2019 12:14 PM (JLNub)
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The thing is, people from ENGLAND have that response when they come to an American store. The selection is overwhelming.
There was an (maybe apocryphal) anecdote in the Economist about thirty years ago. An American visiting goes to a shop where they have a kind of crisp he loves.
Shopkeeper lady says, "oh we don't carry those any more. They just sold out too fast."
There was an (maybe apocryphal) anecdote in the Economist about thirty years ago. An American visiting goes to a shop where they have a kind of crisp he loves.
Shopkeeper lady says, "oh we don't carry those any more. They just sold out too fast."
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 09, 2019 12:14 PM (gd9RK)
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In the '70s, I spent some time in Murmansk, USSR.
One day we went to the largest department store in town. So, I go
looking for the TV department which wasn't so much a department as a
portable (it had a handle) model sitting on top of a console (floor)
model. Both were BW only and neither was plugged in.
Posted by: 11B40
If the TVs were off, how did you know they were black and white? Huh? Damn Trump stooges.
-MFM
One day we went to the largest department store in town. So, I go
looking for the TV department which wasn't so much a department as a
portable (it had a handle) model sitting on top of a console (floor)
model. Both were BW only and neither was plugged in.
Posted by: 11B40
If the TVs were off, how did you know they were black and white? Huh? Damn Trump stooges.
-MFM
Posted by: pep at November 09, 2019 12:14 PM (T6t7i)
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Atheists always strike me as a cartoon of church ladies.
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Peck a little, cheep a little . . . Twitter a lot.
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Peck a little, cheep a little . . . Twitter a lot.
Posted by: mustbequantum at November 09, 2019 12:15 PM (MIKMs)
139
When reality does not conform to the dream
Another observation: when reality doesn't conform to the dream, we are told that it does and to stop believing our lying eyes.
Another observation: when reality doesn't conform to the dream, we are told that it does and to stop believing our lying eyes.
Posted by: Emmie at November 09, 2019 12:15 PM (i/wJA)
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126 Tell Manny, Moe, and Jack that your family will comply with the ransom demands. As they are high fiveing, make a break.
Posted by: bill in arkansas at November 09, 2019 12:16 PM (C1Lsn)
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 09, 2019 12:16 PM (6a1j2)
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Peck a little, cheep a little . . . Twitter a lot.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIGwYN99JLk
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIGwYN99JLk
Posted by: All Hail Eris, She-Wolf of the 'Ettes 'Ettes at November 09, 2019 12:17 PM (Dc2NZ)
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The thing is, people from ENGLAND have that response when they come to an American store. The selection is overwhelming.
And the hard Left has a visceral reaction against that. Exhibit A - Bernie Sanders.
It is easier to control people if you limit the amount of goods available.
And the hard Left has a visceral reaction against that. Exhibit A - Bernie Sanders.
It is easier to control people if you limit the amount of goods available.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 09, 2019 12:17 PM (I2/tG)
144
Thread Before the Gardening Thread!!
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2019 12:17 PM (MVjcR)
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Most thoughtful atheists have no problem with the religious beliefs of other people. They accept them for what they are and move on.
There are non-believers, and anti-believers.
Most thoughtful atheists have no problem with the religious beliefs of other people. They accept them for what they are and move on.
There are non-believers, and anti-believers.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 09, 2019 12:17 PM (oVJmc)
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>>It is easier to control people if you limit the amount of Choices available.
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2019 12:17 PM (JLNub)
Posted by: Infidel at November 09, 2019 12:18 PM (dgt0l)
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@125 The thing is, people from ENGLAND have that response when they come to an American store. The selection is overwhelming.
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There's the old joke about the American, the European Socialist, and the Soviet, all meeting up. The European is late, and apologizes because the line he was waiting in to buy a needed product took a lot longer than expected.
The American is amazed because he's not sure what a line is. And the Soviet is amazed because he's never heard of that product before.
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There's the old joke about the American, the European Socialist, and the Soviet, all meeting up. The European is late, and apologizes because the line he was waiting in to buy a needed product took a lot longer than expected.
The American is amazed because he's not sure what a line is. And the Soviet is amazed because he's never heard of that product before.
Posted by: junior at November 09, 2019 12:18 PM (Fp6vo)
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No, the rise and fall of communism has been the largest event of our days,
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Well. The Seattle city council is convinced they are still ascending. Of course they always find just enough votes to get the most socialists into office. I have come to truly hate this place.
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Well. The Seattle city council is convinced they are still ascending. Of course they always find just enough votes to get the most socialists into office. I have come to truly hate this place.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 09, 2019 12:18 PM (axyOa)
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For a while. As the joke went in the Soviet Union in the 1930's: "The only thing more fatal than being a Communist is to be an important Communist."
Stephen Kotkin's biography of Stalin noted that during the 1920's, a number of Russians with international reputations were exiled from USSR by all being placed on one ship, which then sailed abroad.
Kotkin noted that most of the exiles lived longer than the Communists who escorted them to the ship, who were mostly shot in the 1930's.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 09, 2019 12:12 PM (I2/tG)
Kotkin's first two volumes of his Stalin biography are comprehensive, detailed, and depressing.
I can't wait for Volume 3 !!
Stephen Kotkin's biography of Stalin noted that during the 1920's, a number of Russians with international reputations were exiled from USSR by all being placed on one ship, which then sailed abroad.
Kotkin noted that most of the exiles lived longer than the Communists who escorted them to the ship, who were mostly shot in the 1930's.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 09, 2019 12:12 PM (I2/tG)
Kotkin's first two volumes of his Stalin biography are comprehensive, detailed, and depressing.
I can't wait for Volume 3 !!
Posted by: JoeF. at November 09, 2019 12:18 PM (CqE5x)
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It is easier to control people if you limit the amount of goods available.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 09, 2019 12:17 PM (I2/tG)
And limit what they are allowed to think, where they are allowed to go, and under what agreements they are allowed to labor and earn a living.
Posted by: The ARC of History! at November 09, 2019 12:17 PM (I2/tG)
And limit what they are allowed to think, where they are allowed to go, and under what agreements they are allowed to labor and earn a living.
Posted by: Emmie at November 09, 2019 12:19 PM (i/wJA)
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Christopher, there is a fourth type of atheist, the ones who had religion as a pretext, and the church as as a means to control and punish them within their own community.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 09, 2019 12:20 PM (1glZx)
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@149 Well. The Seattle city council is convinced they are still ascending. Of course they always find just enough votes to get the most socialists into office. I have come to truly hate this place.
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I heard a couple of them didn't make the cut in the recent election. Amazon was blamed, of course (and the blame wasn't entirely misplaced).
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I heard a couple of them didn't make the cut in the recent election. Amazon was blamed, of course (and the blame wasn't entirely misplaced).
Posted by: junior at November 09, 2019 12:20 PM (Fp6vo)
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It is noticeable that starving peasants never revolt.
Posted by: Puddin Head at November 09, 2019 12:20 PM (VyOxI)
155
Centralized Planning is always the result of putting a Dunning-Kruger archetype into power... which is virtually any politician.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 09, 2019 12:20 PM (1g7ch)
156
Twitter -- Pick a little, talk a little . . .
Music Man:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvhFs2bdRpE
Music Man:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvhFs2bdRpE
Posted by: mustbequantum at November 09, 2019 12:20 PM (MIKMs)
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And limit what they are allowed to think, where they are allowed to go, and under what agreements they are allowed to labor and earn a living.
Posted by: Emmie at November 09, 2019 12:19 PM (i/wJA)
And it start's with limiting what words people can and can't say.
Posted by: Emmie at November 09, 2019 12:19 PM (i/wJA)
And it start's with limiting what words people can and can't say.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 09, 2019 12:20 PM (CqE5x)
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Nobody home! Empty! Just like the taxpayers' pockets!
Reminds me of those empty cities in North Korea, or the special buildings China makes which are just for show. Never used. Tyrants specialize in prestige objects at the expense of others
Reminds me of those empty cities in North Korea, or the special buildings China makes which are just for show. Never used. Tyrants specialize in prestige objects at the expense of others
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2019 12:21 PM (KZzsI)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 09, 2019 12:21 PM (oVJmc)
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The thing is, people from ENGLAND have that response when they come to an American store. The selection is overwhelming.
A female friend married a Brit and moved there. The Brit is quite well connected and educated (Dad was a Lord, Brit went to Oxford). When we pay them a visit, they ask us to bring ordinary things they can't get there or which are twice as expensive as here.
I read somewhere that the average standard of living in England is lower than any state except Mississippi.
A female friend married a Brit and moved there. The Brit is quite well connected and educated (Dad was a Lord, Brit went to Oxford). When we pay them a visit, they ask us to bring ordinary things they can't get there or which are twice as expensive as here.
I read somewhere that the average standard of living in England is lower than any state except Mississippi.
Posted by: pep at November 09, 2019 12:21 PM (T6t7i)
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152 Christopher, there is a fourth type of atheist, the ones who had religion as a pretext, and the church as as a means to control and punish them within their own community.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 09, 2019 12:20 PM (1glZx)
I'm not sure I follow. The person who becomes an atheist because their experience was that religion was used to control and punish that person?
Posted by: Kindltot at November 09, 2019 12:20 PM (1glZx)
I'm not sure I follow. The person who becomes an atheist because their experience was that religion was used to control and punish that person?
Posted by: Insomniac at November 09, 2019 12:22 PM (NWiLs)
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Great one OB. Wow.. Chuck Mangione...mammeries...sorry...memories.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 12:22 PM (IGJk8)
163
Central Planning requires the Baldrick Premise: "I have a cunning plan..."
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 09, 2019 12:22 PM (oVJmc)
164
""Concentrated power is not rendered harmless by the good intentions of those who create it." Milton Friedman
Posted by: Mike Hammer
good quote ... but I think Friedman was mostly on board with globalism. But as with communism, he just thought globalism need to be "done right". I think we proved him wrong ... trade with the concentrated power of China did not magically transform them into free trade lovers of liberty.
And on our side of the ocean, globalism piled Americans' retirement savings into the hands of the "money changers", the globalists that arranged bailouts and that joined with Hillary, conspiring across our government to eliminate the people's choice for governing. And massive pension funds are now in riskier BBB funds (many of which are "non-performing" afaik). We are doing silent QE even now.
Sure, if an ideal American government ran an ideal world, global free trade might work, and all American wages would average out to be the same as the average Honduran. We will never have that world, we will never "do communism right", we will never do "global capitalism" right. We start by MAGA, not open borders.
Our current war is against globalists, foreign and domestic enemies (corporate owners of our Congress, DeepState, mafias, global bank cartels, oligarchs, MSM) ... all aggressively fighting against the Trump movement.
imo Christian values should be spread to people willing to hear, but Utopian dreams of Global Capitalism, propped up by destructive monetary policy, have led us toward Doom Doom (I wonder how Monty of old Doom fame is doing). The oligarchs have been made very rich, our retirements have been leveraged for their profit. Milt encouraged the global free trade charade.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
good quote ... but I think Friedman was mostly on board with globalism. But as with communism, he just thought globalism need to be "done right". I think we proved him wrong ... trade with the concentrated power of China did not magically transform them into free trade lovers of liberty.
And on our side of the ocean, globalism piled Americans' retirement savings into the hands of the "money changers", the globalists that arranged bailouts and that joined with Hillary, conspiring across our government to eliminate the people's choice for governing. And massive pension funds are now in riskier BBB funds (many of which are "non-performing" afaik). We are doing silent QE even now.
Sure, if an ideal American government ran an ideal world, global free trade might work, and all American wages would average out to be the same as the average Honduran. We will never have that world, we will never "do communism right", we will never do "global capitalism" right. We start by MAGA, not open borders.
Our current war is against globalists, foreign and domestic enemies (corporate owners of our Congress, DeepState, mafias, global bank cartels, oligarchs, MSM) ... all aggressively fighting against the Trump movement.
imo Christian values should be spread to people willing to hear, but Utopian dreams of Global Capitalism, propped up by destructive monetary policy, have led us toward Doom Doom (I wonder how Monty of old Doom fame is doing). The oligarchs have been made very rich, our retirements have been leveraged for their profit. Milt encouraged the global free trade charade.
Posted by: illiniwek at November 09, 2019 12:22 PM (Cus5s)
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@160 I read somewhere that the average standard of living in England is lower than any state except Mississippi.
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That's true for ALL of Europe.
And when you adjust for the cost of living in the poorest US states, even those states are better places to live.
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That's true for ALL of Europe.
And when you adjust for the cost of living in the poorest US states, even those states are better places to live.
Posted by: junior at November 09, 2019 12:23 PM (Fp6vo)
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I'm not sure I follow. The person who becomes an
atheist because their experience was that religion was used to control
and punish that person?
Posted by: Insomniac at November 09, 2019 12:22 PM (NWiLs)
Yes? What is your question?
atheist because their experience was that religion was used to control
and punish that person?
Posted by: Insomniac at November 09, 2019 12:22 PM (NWiLs)
Yes? What is your question?
Posted by: Kindltot at November 09, 2019 12:23 PM (1glZx)
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How are you and the guitar man?
Posted by: Infidel at November 09, 2019 12:18 PM (dgt0l)
We are peachy, except for being Thanksgiving orphans this year now that Mom has passed. Trying to decide whether to brave the often-hazardous road conditions to see my out-of-state sister or wrangle an invitation from a friend. Husband's insane leftist sister has invited us, but I've had my fill of her for awhile. She's been berating me for not working full time and is convinced the physical problems I develop whenever I try are all in my head.
Posted by: Infidel at November 09, 2019 12:18 PM (dgt0l)
We are peachy, except for being Thanksgiving orphans this year now that Mom has passed. Trying to decide whether to brave the often-hazardous road conditions to see my out-of-state sister or wrangle an invitation from a friend. Husband's insane leftist sister has invited us, but I've had my fill of her for awhile. She's been berating me for not working full time and is convinced the physical problems I develop whenever I try are all in my head.
Posted by: Emmie at November 09, 2019 12:24 PM (i/wJA)
168
The thing that mass transit supporters never address is heavy truck traffic. Supplies come into the city on semis. If you never upgrade the freeways and highways, you have gridlock affecting your food supply.
Posted by: notsothoreau at November 09, 2019 12:25 PM (Lqy/e)
169
@164 good quote ... but I think Friedman was mostly on board with globalism. But as with communism, he just thought globalism need to be "done right". I think we proved him wrong ... trade with the concentrated power of China did not magically transform them into free trade lovers of liberty.
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One of the problems with China is that we've allowed them to blatantly abuse the system. We give them easy access to our markets, but they don't return the favor. If we were to treat China the same way that they treat us (and I'm not sure that even Trump is doing that), then we'd probably see a lot less abuse on their part.
It still might not make them free. But it would cut back on a lot of their shenanigans.
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One of the problems with China is that we've allowed them to blatantly abuse the system. We give them easy access to our markets, but they don't return the favor. If we were to treat China the same way that they treat us (and I'm not sure that even Trump is doing that), then we'd probably see a lot less abuse on their part.
It still might not make them free. But it would cut back on a lot of their shenanigans.
Posted by: junior at November 09, 2019 12:25 PM (Fp6vo)
170
Mike Brady died of AIDS. I did not know that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Reed
Ann Barnhardt's latest post is on the "Aux of Boston" who has the same name and she mentioned this factoid in passing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Reed
Ann Barnhardt's latest post is on the "Aux of Boston" who has the same name and she mentioned this factoid in passing.
Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at November 09, 2019 12:25 PM (XzVUd)
Posted by: mustbequantum at November 09, 2019 12:25 PM (MIKMs)
172
I heard a couple of them didn't make the cut in the recent election. Amazon was blamed, of course (and the blame wasn't entirely misplaced).
Posted by: junior at NovembTell
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Sawant is being billed as the new "comeback kid."
Surging ahead...blah blah blah.
Posted by: junior at NovembTell
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Sawant is being billed as the new "comeback kid."
Surging ahead...blah blah blah.
Posted by: Diogenes at November 09, 2019 12:26 PM (axyOa)
173
I am being dragged ( Kinda ) to the Princeton - Dartmouth Football Game at Yankee Stadium. All bundled up
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 09, 2019 12:26 PM (cEsBM)
174
It is noticeable that starving peasants never revolt.
Its pretty rare, but England had a couple. The thing is, they always revolted against the barons and magistrates, local authority. They always insisted absolute loyalty to the king, who they figured was being misled and lied to by his ministers.
Its pretty rare, but England had a couple. The thing is, they always revolted against the barons and magistrates, local authority. They always insisted absolute loyalty to the king, who they figured was being misled and lied to by his ministers.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2019 12:26 PM (KZzsI)
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134 Do you remember the "Japan, Inc" kerfuffle back in the early 70's? The Japanese were buying Rockefeller Center; famous golf courses (Pebble Beach), etc? And putting U.S. automakers through hell, when they weren't putting them out of business entirely?
Japan, Inc. was successful for exactly the same reasons Enron was: creative accounting.
And they met exactly the same fate.
Japan, Inc. was successful for exactly the same reasons Enron was: creative accounting.
And they met exactly the same fate.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 09, 2019 12:26 PM (pxTb/)
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 09, 2019 12:27 PM (oVJmc)
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128 While we await the Gardening Thread, remember to tiptoe through the tulips
Posted by: zombie Herbert Khaury at November 09, 2019 12:12 PM (DMUuz)
Ukuleles? Looking for my 5th...or 6th...Tenor electric. It's a reward for...something.
Posted by: zombie Herbert Khaury at November 09, 2019 12:12 PM (DMUuz)
Ukuleles? Looking for my 5th...or 6th...Tenor electric. It's a reward for...something.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 12:27 PM (IGJk8)
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I read somewhere that the average standard of living in England is lower than any state except Mississippi.
Posted by: pep at November 09, 2019 12:21 PM (T6t7i)
Dental work would be a good metric.
Posted by: pep at November 09, 2019 12:21 PM (T6t7i)
Dental work would be a good metric.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 09, 2019 12:27 PM (1g7ch)
179
@172 Sawant is being billed as the new "comeback kid."
Surging ahead...blah blah blah.
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Is one of the candidates who was supposed to have been defeated suddenly the recipient of a number of absentee ballots that were mysteriously forgotten and only now remembered in the trunks of multiple cars?
Surging ahead...blah blah blah.
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Is one of the candidates who was supposed to have been defeated suddenly the recipient of a number of absentee ballots that were mysteriously forgotten and only now remembered in the trunks of multiple cars?
Posted by: junior at November 09, 2019 12:27 PM (Fp6vo)
180
166 I'm not sure I follow. The person who becomes an
atheist because their experience was that religion was used to control
and punish that person?
Posted by: Insomniac at November 09, 2019 12:22 PM (NWiLs)
Yes? What is your question?
Posted by: Kindltot at November 09, 2019 12:23 PM (1glZx)
I suppose the question is, is that a correct understanding of what you said?
atheist because their experience was that religion was used to control
and punish that person?
Posted by: Insomniac at November 09, 2019 12:22 PM (NWiLs)
Yes? What is your question?
Posted by: Kindltot at November 09, 2019 12:23 PM (1glZx)
I suppose the question is, is that a correct understanding of what you said?
Posted by: Insomniac at November 09, 2019 12:28 PM (NWiLs)
181
@160 I read somewhere that the average standard of living in England is lower than any state except Mississippi.
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That's true for ALL of Europe.
It's true. Germany comes closer to the American standard of living, but for the rest of Europe, pfft. Not even close.
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That's true for ALL of Europe.
It's true. Germany comes closer to the American standard of living, but for the rest of Europe, pfft. Not even close.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 09, 2019 12:29 PM (pxTb/)
182
Reminds me of those empty cities in North Korea, or the special
buildings China makes which are just for show. Never used. Tyrants
specialize in prestige objects at the expense of others
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Potemkin Villages.
buildings China makes which are just for show. Never used. Tyrants
specialize in prestige objects at the expense of others
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Potemkin Villages.
Posted by: mustbequantum at November 09, 2019 12:29 PM (MIKMs)
183
The thing that mass transit supporters never address is heavy truck traffic. Supplies come into the city on semis. If you never upgrade the freeways and highways, you have gridlock affecting your food supply.
Posted by: notsothoreau at November 09, 2019 12:25 PM (Lqy/e)
Then use little tiny trucks. Like Old Europe.
Posted by: notsothoreau at November 09, 2019 12:25 PM (Lqy/e)
Then use little tiny trucks. Like Old Europe.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 09, 2019 12:29 PM (1g7ch)
184
Its pretty rare, but England had a couple. The thing is, they always revolted against the barons and magistrates, local authority. They always insisted absolute loyalty to the king, who they figured was being misled and lied to by his ministers.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2019 12:26 PM (KZzsI)
And if the King only knew! I'm sure he would help us!
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2019 12:26 PM (KZzsI)
And if the King only knew! I'm sure he would help us!
Posted by: JoeF. at November 09, 2019 12:30 PM (CqE5x)
185
What Leftist intention ever panned out to be something good?
Oh yeah, I knew Mike Brady was bone smuggling
Oh yeah, I knew Mike Brady was bone smuggling
Posted by: Skip at November 09, 2019 12:30 PM (ZCEU2)
186
You know who is sexy AF? Dora the Explorer. That's who.
Posted by: Mark Zaid at November 09, 2019 12:30 PM (H5knJ)
187
imo Christian values should be spread to people willing to hear
I'm starting to see the value of this in a different way. The lessons of history in the Bible are easily absorbed at a young age. A nice guidepost as you're growing up. Your parent(s) might not have the time to teach you all these things. Imagine all the wrong turns you could take by the time you're 29, say, and not survive. Now imagine going thru public school these days...
I never liked going to church, but I can now appreciate that there's a lot of wisdom in that little book.
I'm starting to see the value of this in a different way. The lessons of history in the Bible are easily absorbed at a young age. A nice guidepost as you're growing up. Your parent(s) might not have the time to teach you all these things. Imagine all the wrong turns you could take by the time you're 29, say, and not survive. Now imagine going thru public school these days...
I never liked going to church, but I can now appreciate that there's a lot of wisdom in that little book.
Posted by: t-bird at November 09, 2019 12:30 PM (aKxkI)
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@154 It is noticeable that starving peasants never revolt.
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It depends.
During the Three Kingdoms era, Cao Cao famously put down one revolt by starving peasants... and then "punished" them by "forcing" them to maintain farmland that had gone fallow (due to the many battles fought during the era).
Note that he apparently wasn't the first Chinese leader to do this, though I can't remember who he got the idea from.
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It depends.
During the Three Kingdoms era, Cao Cao famously put down one revolt by starving peasants... and then "punished" them by "forcing" them to maintain farmland that had gone fallow (due to the many battles fought during the era).
Note that he apparently wasn't the first Chinese leader to do this, though I can't remember who he got the idea from.
Posted by: junior at November 09, 2019 12:30 PM (Fp6vo)
189
but I think Friedman was mostly on board with globalism. But as with
communism, he just thought globalism need to be "done right". I think we
proved him wrong ... trade with the concentrated power of China did not
magically transform them into free trade lovers of liberty.
*Points, laughs*
Poor Freidman. He is accused of being both the driving force behind Pinochet's brutal nationalism, AND being a globalist.
communism, he just thought globalism need to be "done right". I think we
proved him wrong ... trade with the concentrated power of China did not
magically transform them into free trade lovers of liberty.
*Points, laughs*
Poor Freidman. He is accused of being both the driving force behind Pinochet's brutal nationalism, AND being a globalist.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 09, 2019 12:31 PM (1glZx)
190
165 @160 I read somewhere that the average standard of living in England is lower than any state except Mississippi.
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That's true for ALL of Europe.
And when you adjust for the cost of living in the poorest US states, even those states are better places to live.
Posted by: junior at November 09, 2019 12:23 PM (Fp6vo)
Aaaahhhhhh! This is what makes me nuts about the bullshit in the public schools I teach in when the asshole teachers talk about "food insecurity" when the kids are all FAT and have flatties and xbox. Aaazhhhh! Rant over.
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That's true for ALL of Europe.
And when you adjust for the cost of living in the poorest US states, even those states are better places to live.
Posted by: junior at November 09, 2019 12:23 PM (Fp6vo)
Aaaahhhhhh! This is what makes me nuts about the bullshit in the public schools I teach in when the asshole teachers talk about "food insecurity" when the kids are all FAT and have flatties and xbox. Aaazhhhh! Rant over.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 12:31 PM (IGJk8)
191
Have noticed now as opposed to when I was there in late 70s European trucks I think have caught up to the American standards
Posted by: Skip at November 09, 2019 12:31 PM (ZCEU2)
Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at November 09, 2019 12:31 PM (XzVUd)
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178 I read somewhere that the average standard of living in England is lower than any state except Mississippi.
Posted by: pep at November 09, 2019 12:21 PM (T6t7i)
Dental work would be a good metric.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 09, 2019 12:27 PM (1g7ch)
Size of houses. Auto ownership.
Posted by: pep at November 09, 2019 12:21 PM (T6t7i)
Dental work would be a good metric.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 09, 2019 12:27 PM (1g7ch)
Size of houses. Auto ownership.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 09, 2019 12:32 PM (pxTb/)
194
@184 And if the King only knew! I'm sure he would help us!
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In quite a few instances, he might very well have done so. The monarch in European countries was generally at odds with the nobility, and relied to a certain extent on the lower classes to maintain his grip on power.
Starving the peasants (particularly if corruption was involved) would be a justifiable reason to smack down nobles who were probably screwing things up in more ways than just that.
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In quite a few instances, he might very well have done so. The monarch in European countries was generally at odds with the nobility, and relied to a certain extent on the lower classes to maintain his grip on power.
Starving the peasants (particularly if corruption was involved) would be a justifiable reason to smack down nobles who were probably screwing things up in more ways than just that.
Posted by: junior at November 09, 2019 12:33 PM (Fp6vo)
195
"As I said, it's [i.e. transgenderism] gaming the system, [and] it could work. And that will irritate many of us and have bad unforeseen consequences.
"But it won't be execution, or labor camps, or inability to choose our profession or where we live."
I don't know about that. Already it's getting difficultult to work in certain fields (e.g., education, government, communications/media, digital technology) without at least pretending to pay lip service to "Wokeness." And because pretence is never enough for true believers, the Woke inquisition is sure to follow. So choosing one's profession, is already being circumscribed, has been for quite some time now, and is likely to become ever more restricted. This also influences where one lives. Donald Trump isn't relocating to Florida because he's planning to take up beach combing in his golden years.
And I'm not so sure we aren't headed towards death, labor and reeducation camps. Those are things that, like alcoholism, drug addiction and bankruptcy, happen slowly, gradually, then suddenly all at once.
"But it won't be execution, or labor camps, or inability to choose our profession or where we live."
I don't know about that. Already it's getting difficultult to work in certain fields (e.g., education, government, communications/media, digital technology) without at least pretending to pay lip service to "Wokeness." And because pretence is never enough for true believers, the Woke inquisition is sure to follow. So choosing one's profession, is already being circumscribed, has been for quite some time now, and is likely to become ever more restricted. This also influences where one lives. Donald Trump isn't relocating to Florida because he's planning to take up beach combing in his golden years.
And I'm not so sure we aren't headed towards death, labor and reeducation camps. Those are things that, like alcoholism, drug addiction and bankruptcy, happen slowly, gradually, then suddenly all at once.
Posted by: Ernst Schreiber at November 09, 2019 12:33 PM (xmKbk)
Posted by: Pete Seria at November 09, 2019 12:33 PM (7ZQe3)
197
Japan, Inc. was successful for exactly the same reasons Enron was: creative accounting.
And they met exactly the same fate.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
Well, the fact that the postwar Japanese worked themselves into the ground while our economy was union-ridden and full of fat, lazy "workers" had something to do with it, but that takes you only so far.
And they met exactly the same fate.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara
Well, the fact that the postwar Japanese worked themselves into the ground while our economy was union-ridden and full of fat, lazy "workers" had something to do with it, but that takes you only so far.
Posted by: pep at November 09, 2019 12:34 PM (T6t7i)
Posted by: Kindltot at November 09, 2019 12:35 PM (1glZx)
199
You could say I'm a disillusioned believer.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 09, 2019 12:35 PM (NWiLs)
200
Aaaahhhhhh! This is what makes me nuts about the bullshit in the public schools I teach in when the asshole teachers talk about "food insecurity" when the kids are all FAT and have flatties and xbox. Aaazhhhh! Rant over.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 12:31 PM (IGJk
My man.
The Reds love to pretend that "people are going hungry!"
Really? Where? I've posed that question, and received the response, in essence, "Somewhere you haven't been." Really? I've lived in Hawaii, the West Coast, the East Coast, the Midwest, and I've traveled all over this country for work, and I've yet to see anyone who looked malnourished (apart from supermodels). The poorest people are the FATTEST, by far.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 12:31 PM (IGJk
My man.
The Reds love to pretend that "people are going hungry!"
Really? Where? I've posed that question, and received the response, in essence, "Somewhere you haven't been." Really? I've lived in Hawaii, the West Coast, the East Coast, the Midwest, and I've traveled all over this country for work, and I've yet to see anyone who looked malnourished (apart from supermodels). The poorest people are the FATTEST, by far.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 09, 2019 12:36 PM (pxTb/)
201
Clovis brewery prints 'Epstein didn't kill himself' on the bottom of cans
https://tinyurl.com/y69rbdwj
https://tinyurl.com/y69rbdwj
Posted by: Tami at November 09, 2019 12:37 PM (cF8AT)
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Posted by: Emmie at November 09, 2019 12:24 PM (i/wJA)
Well that sucks. Get in touch with WDS about Thanksgiving.
Well that sucks. Get in touch with WDS about Thanksgiving.
Posted by: Infidel at November 09, 2019 12:37 PM (dgt0l)
203
I never liked going to church, but I can now appreciate that there's a lot of wisdom in that little book.
Even if I wasn't a Christian, I'd want the ideals to be followed by society. Love, forgiveness, truth, humility, modesty, justice, mercy, beauty, how can you go wrong?
Even if I wasn't a Christian, I'd want the ideals to be followed by society. Love, forgiveness, truth, humility, modesty, justice, mercy, beauty, how can you go wrong?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2019 12:38 PM (KZzsI)
204
Well that sucks. Get in touch with WDS about Thanksgiving.
Posted by: Infidel at November 09, 2019 12:37 PM (dgt0l)
Don't tell, but that is one of my ideas.
Posted by: Infidel at November 09, 2019 12:37 PM (dgt0l)
Don't tell, but that is one of my ideas.
Posted by: Emmie at November 09, 2019 12:38 PM (i/wJA)
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Posted by: Ernst Schreiber at November 09, 2019 12:33 PM (xmKbk)
Theres a major company a friend works for that has Woke Wednesdays. You can imagine the content.
Oh and guess the demographic of the guy that runs it.
Theres a major company a friend works for that has Woke Wednesdays. You can imagine the content.
Oh and guess the demographic of the guy that runs it.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 12:38 PM (IGJk8)
206
189 but I think Friedman was mostly on board with globalism. But as with
communism, he just thought globalism need to be "done right". I think we
proved him wrong ... trade with the concentrated power of China did not
magically transform them into free trade lovers of liberty.
*Points, laughs*
Poor Freidman. He is accused of being both the driving force behind Pinochet's brutal nationalism, AND being a globalist.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 09, 2019 12:31 PM (1glZx)
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Friedman wasn't a dogmatist, and could learn. For instance, after the fall of the USSR, he admitted he'd overrated the chances of markets freeing Russia, on the usual libertarian grounds. He said he had underrated the need for cultural commitment to the rule of law.
And that's all we can ask of anyone, really. Does he keep his eyes open? Intelligence, knowledge, and perceptiveness cannot themselves ensure you will get it right. But they sure increase your odds.
communism, he just thought globalism need to be "done right". I think we
proved him wrong ... trade with the concentrated power of China did not
magically transform them into free trade lovers of liberty.
*Points, laughs*
Poor Freidman. He is accused of being both the driving force behind Pinochet's brutal nationalism, AND being a globalist.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 09, 2019 12:31 PM (1glZx)
________
Friedman wasn't a dogmatist, and could learn. For instance, after the fall of the USSR, he admitted he'd overrated the chances of markets freeing Russia, on the usual libertarian grounds. He said he had underrated the need for cultural commitment to the rule of law.
And that's all we can ask of anyone, really. Does he keep his eyes open? Intelligence, knowledge, and perceptiveness cannot themselves ensure you will get it right. But they sure increase your odds.
Posted by: Eeyore at November 09, 2019 12:39 PM (ZbwAu)
207
"If we were to treat China the same way that they
treat us (and I'm not sure that even Trump is doing that), then we'd
probably see a lot less abuse on their part."Posted by: junior
it is not just China, it is pretty much everyone. iirc, about half our trade deficit is with China. Add in our "free" military protection of Europe (and Canada and Mexico) ... and our billions of humanitarian efforts ...
treat us (and I'm not sure that even Trump is doing that), then we'd
probably see a lot less abuse on their part."Posted by: junior
it is not just China, it is pretty much everyone. iirc, about half our trade deficit is with China. Add in our "free" military protection of Europe (and Canada and Mexico) ... and our billions of humanitarian efforts ...
Posted by: illiniwek at November 09, 2019 12:39 PM (Cus5s)
208
Well, the fact that the postwar Japanese worked themselves into the ground while our economy was union-ridden and full of fat, lazy "workers" had something to do with it, but that takes you only so far.
Posted by: pep at November 09, 2019 12:34 PM (T6t7i)
You're right, of course. I meant how they financed their later growth and acquisitions.
It boiled down to: you give me a check for $1 million, and I'll give you a check for $1 million. (I guarantee mine would bounce if cashed.) Then we each go to our banks and get a loan against those $1 million checks.
Pelosi's $1 trillion coin idea was of the exact same ilk.
Posted by: pep at November 09, 2019 12:34 PM (T6t7i)
You're right, of course. I meant how they financed their later growth and acquisitions.
It boiled down to: you give me a check for $1 million, and I'll give you a check for $1 million. (I guarantee mine would bounce if cashed.) Then we each go to our banks and get a loan against those $1 million checks.
Pelosi's $1 trillion coin idea was of the exact same ilk.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 09, 2019 12:39 PM (pxTb/)
Posted by: Kindltot at November 09, 2019 12:39 PM (1glZx)
210
Well that sucks. Get in touch with WDS about Thanksgiving.
Posted by: Infidel at November 09, 2019 12:37 PM (dgt0l)
Also, if we let the word out, we'd get a bunch of invites from our church family.
Posted by: Infidel at November 09, 2019 12:37 PM (dgt0l)
Also, if we let the word out, we'd get a bunch of invites from our church family.
Posted by: Emmie at November 09, 2019 12:40 PM (i/wJA)
211
Timely post for me. I'm currently looking through Amazon for a good (true) book on the rise and fall of Communism. Recommendations welcome.
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at November 09, 2019 12:41 PM (JoUsr)
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it is not just China, it is pretty much everyone. iirc, about half our trade deficit is with China. Add in our "free" military protection of Europe (and Canada and Mexico) ... and our billions of humanitarian efforts ...
Posted by: illiniwek at November 09, 2019 12:39 PM (Cus5s)
And we're being generous with money we borrowed from China etc. to give to others for our humanitarian efforts. Why don't the recipients borrow for themselves? Because their credit sucks.
Posted by: illiniwek at November 09, 2019 12:39 PM (Cus5s)
And we're being generous with money we borrowed from China etc. to give to others for our humanitarian efforts. Why don't the recipients borrow for themselves? Because their credit sucks.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 09, 2019 12:41 PM (pxTb/)
213
Trying to watch the Rifftrax version of 'The Room,' but it's just too horrible. Like a trip through a Eurocreep's subconscious in an ass-bottom boat.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 09, 2019 12:41 PM (oVJmc)
214
poorest people are the FATTEST, by far.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 09, 2019 12:36 PM (pxTb/)
Heard a comment by an immigrant (cant remember where) about the biggest shock coming to the US.
"Your poor are fat"
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 09, 2019 12:36 PM (pxTb/)
Heard a comment by an immigrant (cant remember where) about the biggest shock coming to the US.
"Your poor are fat"
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 12:41 PM (IGJk8)
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I read somewhere that the average standard of living in England is lower than any state except Mississippi.
That's part of why they formed the EU, so that, combined, they could have a GDP that rivals the USA. They're a bit... creative about how they report the numbers, but its closer than any individual nation in the EU.
Regarding the "goes to bed hungry" thing, that drives me nuts. When I was a teenager, I could have eaten a hippo and washed it down with a lake, and STILL been hungry when I went to bed.
That's part of why they formed the EU, so that, combined, they could have a GDP that rivals the USA. They're a bit... creative about how they report the numbers, but its closer than any individual nation in the EU.
Regarding the "goes to bed hungry" thing, that drives me nuts. When I was a teenager, I could have eaten a hippo and washed it down with a lake, and STILL been hungry when I went to bed.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2019 12:41 PM (KZzsI)
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And Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself!
Even the animal kingdom knows that
https://bit.ly/2K5MyZw
Even the animal kingdom knows that
https://bit.ly/2K5MyZw
Posted by: t-bird at November 09, 2019 12:41 PM (dBiBP)
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Its pretty rare, but England had a couple. The thing is, they always revolted against the barons and magistrates, local authority. They always insisted absolute loyalty to the king, who they figured was being misled and lied to by his ministers.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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"If only Uncle Joe knew!" LOL
Nothing changes.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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"If only Uncle Joe knew!" LOL
Nothing changes.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 09, 2019 12:41 PM (Y4EXg)
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>>Japan, Inc. was successful for exactly the same reasons Enron was: creative accounting.
>>And they met exactly the same fate.
About a year before Enron went tits up a old colleague of mine and I had a meeting at their HQ in Houston. They were getting ready to start a new line of business, trading bandwidth as a commodity, and they had dedicated a whole floor in their high rise to this new endeavor.
This wasn't just a new line of business, they were attempting to start a whole new industry and they spared no expense. They sunk millions into this shiny new trading floor, luxury offices, even a tricked out Harley in the lobby off the elevator for some reason. The only thing they didn't have was employees and anything that remotely resembled a business plan.
When we left the meeting after about an hour and a half we looked at each other and pretty much at the same time said "What the fuck was that?". All they kept talking about was how they were going to move money around through various shell companies and offshore accounts. They had almost no idea about the telecom market other than there was lots of spare capacity and they thought they could cook up some ponzi scheme of buying and trading it.
We never went back.
>>And they met exactly the same fate.
About a year before Enron went tits up a old colleague of mine and I had a meeting at their HQ in Houston. They were getting ready to start a new line of business, trading bandwidth as a commodity, and they had dedicated a whole floor in their high rise to this new endeavor.
This wasn't just a new line of business, they were attempting to start a whole new industry and they spared no expense. They sunk millions into this shiny new trading floor, luxury offices, even a tricked out Harley in the lobby off the elevator for some reason. The only thing they didn't have was employees and anything that remotely resembled a business plan.
When we left the meeting after about an hour and a half we looked at each other and pretty much at the same time said "What the fuck was that?". All they kept talking about was how they were going to move money around through various shell companies and offshore accounts. They had almost no idea about the telecom market other than there was lots of spare capacity and they thought they could cook up some ponzi scheme of buying and trading it.
We never went back.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 09, 2019 12:42 PM (ZLI7S)
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>>Regarding the "goes to bed hungry" thing
Never gone to bed thinking I couldn't eat just one more pussy.
Never gone to bed thinking I couldn't eat just one more pussy.
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2019 12:42 PM (JLNub)
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209 Insomniac, yes.
I am going off to do necessary things.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 09, 2019 12:39 PM (1glZx)
OK, that's what I thought. Makes sense. Parents will use religion as an excuse to be cruel, rotten shits to their kids, and many a church will use their position as a means of control and punishment, or at the very best to mislead or exploit. It's unfortunate but not uncommon.
I am going off to do necessary things.
Posted by: Kindltot at November 09, 2019 12:39 PM (1glZx)
OK, that's what I thought. Makes sense. Parents will use religion as an excuse to be cruel, rotten shits to their kids, and many a church will use their position as a means of control and punishment, or at the very best to mislead or exploit. It's unfortunate but not uncommon.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 09, 2019 12:43 PM (NWiLs)
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Dang, garrett...
Posted by: Lady in Black - Death to the Man Bun at November 09, 2019 12:43 PM (JoUsr)
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Friedman wasn't a dogmatist, and could learn. For
instance, after the fall of the USSR, he admitted he'd overrated the
chances of markets freeing Russia, on the usual libertarian grounds. He
said he had underrated the need for cultural commitment to the rule of
law.
And that's all we can ask of anyone, really. Does he keep his eyes
open? Intelligence, knowledge, and perceptiveness cannot themselves
ensure you will get it right. But they sure increase your odds.
Posted by: Eeyore
One of my favorite quotes is usually attributed to Keynes, but may in fact have been authored by Paul Samuelson, MIT economist. When confronted with the fact that he'd changed his position about something, he said:
"When events change, I change my mind. What do you do?"
instance, after the fall of the USSR, he admitted he'd overrated the
chances of markets freeing Russia, on the usual libertarian grounds. He
said he had underrated the need for cultural commitment to the rule of
law.
And that's all we can ask of anyone, really. Does he keep his eyes
open? Intelligence, knowledge, and perceptiveness cannot themselves
ensure you will get it right. But they sure increase your odds.
Posted by: Eeyore
One of my favorite quotes is usually attributed to Keynes, but may in fact have been authored by Paul Samuelson, MIT economist. When confronted with the fact that he'd changed his position about something, he said:
"When events change, I change my mind. What do you do?"
Posted by: pep at November 09, 2019 12:44 PM (T6t7i)
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Randall O'Toole at the Cato Institute has some interesting stuff on the problems with mass transit.
https://tinyurl.com/y6kzogyx
(I actually know this guy although I doubt he remembers me. He used to be in the bicycle coop we belonged to in Portland back in the 70s. I was truly stunned when I first read the anti-mass transit stuff.)
https://tinyurl.com/y6kzogyx
(I actually know this guy although I doubt he remembers me. He used to be in the bicycle coop we belonged to in Portland back in the 70s. I was truly stunned when I first read the anti-mass transit stuff.)
Posted by: notsothoreau at November 09, 2019 12:45 PM (Lqy/e)
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That's part of why they formed the EU, so that, combined, they could have a GDP that rivals the USA. They're a bit... creative about how they report the numbers, but its closer than any individual nation in the EU.
So aggregate GDP might come close, but GDP per person is tougher to game. And that, of course, is the appropriate measure.
The CIA World Factbook compiles that stat, which is eye-opening, to say the least.
So aggregate GDP might come close, but GDP per person is tougher to game. And that, of course, is the appropriate measure.
The CIA World Factbook compiles that stat, which is eye-opening, to say the least.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 09, 2019 12:45 PM (pxTb/)
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Damnit. Commented in the old thread.
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2019 12:45 PM (MVjcR)
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199 You could say I'm a disillusioned believer.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 09, 2019 12:35 PM (NWiLs)
Yes. I try to concentrate on content as it's been mentioned here not the spewings and fails of 'management. Mass is an hour of meditation on how I can be a better person.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 09, 2019 12:35 PM (NWiLs)
Yes. I try to concentrate on content as it's been mentioned here not the spewings and fails of 'management. Mass is an hour of meditation on how I can be a better person.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 12:45 PM (IGJk8)
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2019 12:46 PM (JLNub)
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>>I plan on pounding Schnitzel with my new meat hammer today.
Posted by: Puddin Head
Nice German girl, eh? Funny name though.
Posted by: Puddin Head
Nice German girl, eh? Funny name though.
Posted by: Aviator at November 09, 2019 12:46 PM (2cuLk)
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Psychopaths don't have good or bad intentions. They just have intentions.
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Ironically, Hillary's defense was no intent.
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Ironically, Hillary's defense was no intent.
Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Tyrannosaur Wrangler at November 09, 2019 12:46 PM (+y/Ru)
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Just sayin', I know The Hunger.
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2019 12:46 PM (JLNub)
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227 >>Damnit. Commented in the old thread.
Apparently it wasn't that old.
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2019 12:46 PM (JLNub)
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No, just the last one. But still, rookie mistake.
Apparently it wasn't that old.
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2019 12:46 PM (JLNub)
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No, just the last one. But still, rookie mistake.
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2019 12:46 PM (MVjcR)
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@ Cannibal Bob:
Just one of those gal-guys gaming the system? But your friend shouldn't worry. He's still free to pursue his career at a different company.
Where woke Wednesday is every other Thursday.
And if that doesn't work, he's still free to move somewhere else and take up a new career.
Just one of those gal-guys gaming the system? But your friend shouldn't worry. He's still free to pursue his career at a different company.
Where woke Wednesday is every other Thursday.
And if that doesn't work, he's still free to move somewhere else and take up a new career.
Posted by: Ernst Schreiber at November 09, 2019 12:47 PM (xmKbk)
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225 Damnit. Commented in the old thread.
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2019 12:45 PM (MVjcR)
Same. If I cant be first I can sure as hell be last. Hey Weas.
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2019 12:45 PM (MVjcR)
Same. If I cant be first I can sure as hell be last. Hey Weas.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 12:47 PM (IGJk8)
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194 @184 And if the King only knew! I'm sure he would help us!
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In quite a few instances, he might very well have done so. The monarch in European countries was generally at odds with the nobility, and relied to a certain extent on the lower classes to maintain his grip on power.
Starving the peasants (particularly if corruption was involved) would be a justifiable reason to smack down nobles who were probably screwing things up in more ways than just that.
Posted by: junior at November 09, 2019 12:33 PM (Fp6vo)
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That is true. It's something we tend to miss, I think, because of an historical accident. In the 18th C the wars between kings and aristocrats had ended. In England, the aristocrats had won; in most of W Europe, it was the other way around.
You can see this in the lack, in the 18th C, of "the over-mighty subject". No Warwicks, no Godwins, and certainly no Dukes of Normandy. Walpole had to be a politician, a more polished version of a ward heeler.
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In quite a few instances, he might very well have done so. The monarch in European countries was generally at odds with the nobility, and relied to a certain extent on the lower classes to maintain his grip on power.
Starving the peasants (particularly if corruption was involved) would be a justifiable reason to smack down nobles who were probably screwing things up in more ways than just that.
Posted by: junior at November 09, 2019 12:33 PM (Fp6vo)
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That is true. It's something we tend to miss, I think, because of an historical accident. In the 18th C the wars between kings and aristocrats had ended. In England, the aristocrats had won; in most of W Europe, it was the other way around.
You can see this in the lack, in the 18th C, of "the over-mighty subject". No Warwicks, no Godwins, and certainly no Dukes of Normandy. Walpole had to be a politician, a more polished version of a ward heeler.
Posted by: Eeyore at November 09, 2019 12:47 PM (ZbwAu)
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Yes. I try to concentrate on content as it's been mentioned here not the spewings and fails of 'management. Mass is an hour of meditation on how I can be a better person.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 12:45 PM (IGJk
Makes sense. Apparently what I need to do is learn to be an asshole. Being a "good guy" hasn't availed me much.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 12:45 PM (IGJk
Makes sense. Apparently what I need to do is learn to be an asshole. Being a "good guy" hasn't availed me much.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 09, 2019 12:47 PM (NWiLs)
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Regarding the "goes to bed hungry" thing, that drives me nuts. When I was a teenager, I could have eaten a hippo and washed it down with a lake, and STILL been hungry when I went to bed.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2019 12:41 PM (KZzsI)
Same here. Once, in college, after a three hour workout involving running, swimming, and lifting weights, a teammate and I went to an all-you-can-eat place that featured roast beef.
I had nine plates of roast beef. The manager couldn't believe it, but damn I was hungry. And I was skinny.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2019 12:41 PM (KZzsI)
Same here. Once, in college, after a three hour workout involving running, swimming, and lifting weights, a teammate and I went to an all-you-can-eat place that featured roast beef.
I had nine plates of roast beef. The manager couldn't believe it, but damn I was hungry. And I was skinny.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 09, 2019 12:48 PM (pxTb/)
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First case of denge fever contracted via sex ...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7666007
... and I was thinking "so what" ... when I noticed "their sperm" ... ewwww
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7666007
... and I was thinking "so what" ... when I noticed "their sperm" ... ewwww
Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at November 09, 2019 12:48 PM (XzVUd)
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"Poor Freidman. He is accused of being both the driving force behind Pinochet's brutal nationalism, AND being a globalist."Posted by: Kindltot
when you look at our own WallStreet "free traders" (that often emulate Friedman) ... do you not see their brutal use of US government to prop up markets, via military, bailouts, and economic policy? But in our case it is not called nationalism, we call it corporatism ... but it uses our own government. The rich were made much richer, the middle class bore the burden ... wage stagnation, jobs exported, H1Bs imported.
Another look at The Pencil analogy.
"Yet offscreen, in Chile, Milton Friedman and his associates had been advising on and helped put in place a rapid mode of privatization with military backing. "Literally killing off increasing numbers of the Chilean population and choking off increasing numbers of Chilean businesses," wrote Friedman's former student Andre Gunder Frank in "Economic Genocide in Chile: An Open Letter to Milton Friedman and Arnold Harberger,"
https://tinyurl.com/y5hb5447
Using force to implement "the dream" of global capitalism ... I thought it was supposed to happen naturally. Gotta break a few deplorable eggs to make a globalist "libertarian" omelet?
when you look at our own WallStreet "free traders" (that often emulate Friedman) ... do you not see their brutal use of US government to prop up markets, via military, bailouts, and economic policy? But in our case it is not called nationalism, we call it corporatism ... but it uses our own government. The rich were made much richer, the middle class bore the burden ... wage stagnation, jobs exported, H1Bs imported.
Another look at The Pencil analogy.
"Yet offscreen, in Chile, Milton Friedman and his associates had been advising on and helped put in place a rapid mode of privatization with military backing. "Literally killing off increasing numbers of the Chilean population and choking off increasing numbers of Chilean businesses," wrote Friedman's former student Andre Gunder Frank in "Economic Genocide in Chile: An Open Letter to Milton Friedman and Arnold Harberger,"
https://tinyurl.com/y5hb5447
Using force to implement "the dream" of global capitalism ... I thought it was supposed to happen naturally. Gotta break a few deplorable eggs to make a globalist "libertarian" omelet?
Posted by: illiniwek at November 09, 2019 12:48 PM (Cus5s)
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And I'm not so sure we aren't headed towards death, labor and reeducation camps. Those are things that, like alcoholism, drug addiction and bankruptcy, happen slowly, gradually, then suddenly all at once.
Posted by: Ernst Schreiber at November 09, 2019 12:33 PM (xmKbk)
I agree. Much worse is coming. The question is: how did such a mephitic movement as Wokeism attain such influence?
I believe cultural Marxism, not illegal immigration, is the signal event of our time (it actually enabled illegal immigration). It has changed the essence of the national character. It has divided the country as it turns out a steady stream of nihilistic narcissists from our schools with no antidote in sight. How did something as palpably stupid and anti-social as Wokeism penetrate the interstices of our society with so little opposition, indeed, scaring it away? Decades of cultural Marxism.
Posted by: Ernst Schreiber at November 09, 2019 12:33 PM (xmKbk)
I agree. Much worse is coming. The question is: how did such a mephitic movement as Wokeism attain such influence?
I believe cultural Marxism, not illegal immigration, is the signal event of our time (it actually enabled illegal immigration). It has changed the essence of the national character. It has divided the country as it turns out a steady stream of nihilistic narcissists from our schools with no antidote in sight. How did something as palpably stupid and anti-social as Wokeism penetrate the interstices of our society with so little opposition, indeed, scaring it away? Decades of cultural Marxism.
Posted by: Dan Smoot's Apprentice at November 09, 2019 12:49 PM (H8QX8)
Posted by: Infidel at November 09, 2019 12:49 PM (dgt0l)
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And if that doesn't work, he's still free to move somewhere else and take up a new career.
Posted by: Ernst Schreiber at November 09, 2019 12:47 PM (xmKbk)
You called it ES. Thankfully it's far away in the home headquarters.
And if that doesn't work, he's still free to move somewhere else and take up a new career.
Posted by: Ernst Schreiber at November 09, 2019 12:47 PM (xmKbk)
You called it ES. Thankfully it's far away in the home headquarters.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 12:49 PM (IGJk8)
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222
One of my favorite quotes is usually attributed to Keynes, but may in fact have been authored by Paul Samuelson, MIT economist. When confronted with the fact that he'd changed his position about something, he said:
"When events change, I change my mind. What do you do?"
Posted by: pep at November 09, 2019 12:44 PM (T6t7i)
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Of course, it can sometimes be had to distinguish learning from trimming. "Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I've got others."
One of my favorite quotes is usually attributed to Keynes, but may in fact have been authored by Paul Samuelson, MIT economist. When confronted with the fact that he'd changed his position about something, he said:
"When events change, I change my mind. What do you do?"
Posted by: pep at November 09, 2019 12:44 PM (T6t7i)
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Of course, it can sometimes be had to distinguish learning from trimming. "Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I've got others."
Posted by: Eeyore at November 09, 2019 12:49 PM (ZbwAu)
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From earlier: Lesbian Priest Calls Abortionists 'Saints,' Gets Appointed CEO Of Abortion Group
http://bit.ly/34D9AP8
I guess you might as well go to hell for stealing a sheep as a lamb.
http://bit.ly/34D9AP8
I guess you might as well go to hell for stealing a sheep as a lamb.
Posted by: Grump928(C) at November 09, 2019 12:52 PM (yQpMk)
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Same. If I cant be first I can sure as hell be last. Hey Weas.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 12:47 PM (IGJk
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'Sup, brother?
Same. If I cant be first I can sure as hell be last. Hey Weas.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 12:47 PM (IGJk
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'Sup, brother?
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2019 12:52 PM (MVjcR)
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Hey, Insom, are you planning on visiting Nurse Ratched any time during the Holidays?
If so, y'all are invited over for dinner when you're out here. I am hobbled until January with this stupid knee surgery but still have a hankering to cook a big meal.
If so, y'all are invited over for dinner when you're out here. I am hobbled until January with this stupid knee surgery but still have a hankering to cook a big meal.
Posted by: Sharkman at November 09, 2019 12:53 PM (U50PB)
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That SF Transit Center is going to turn into something out of a Burgess novel within the next decade. A $2B monument to their hubris, and an unsustainable maintenance cost for what is now essentially a giant park. SF deserves everything they get.
Posted by: clutch cargo at November 09, 2019 12:54 PM (Z1ykJ)
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A hymn organization just published a book of "gay hymns" whatever the hell that means. Are they odes to tossing salad? The joys of anal sex?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2019 12:54 PM (KZzsI)
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Makes sense. Apparently what I need to do is learn to be an asshole. Being a "good guy" hasn't availed me much.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 09, 2019 12:47 PM (NWiLs)
Oh man Insom. Join us in the Asshole Club. BTW. I have to work at sometimes but in this world....
Asshole 101. Look in the mirror in the morning.
"Good morning asshole."
Posted by: Insomniac at November 09, 2019 12:47 PM (NWiLs)
Oh man Insom. Join us in the Asshole Club. BTW. I have to work at sometimes but in this world....
Asshole 101. Look in the mirror in the morning.
"Good morning asshole."
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 12:54 PM (IGJk8)
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Mike Hammer, did my email address work for you?
Posted by: Ben Had
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Haven't tried yet. I'll get at it later today.
Posted by: Ben Had
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Haven't tried yet. I'll get at it later today.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 09, 2019 12:54 PM (sHVgQ)
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"If only Uncle Joe knew!" LOL
Nothing changes.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 09, 2019 12:41 PM (Y4EXg)
The grandparents of those clueless peasants were probably saying the same thing about the Tsar a hundred years earlier.
"If only Uncle Joe knew!" LOL
Nothing changes.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 09, 2019 12:41 PM (Y4EXg)
The grandparents of those clueless peasants were probably saying the same thing about the Tsar a hundred years earlier.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 09, 2019 12:54 PM (CqE5x)
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Even if I wasn't a Christian, I'd want the ideals to be followed by society. Love, forgiveness, truth, humility, modesty, justice, mercy, beauty, how can you go wrong?
I love the ideals. And devout people are the best people I know. But I am biologically incapable of believing. Alex, who is all of the things, says I lack the faith gene. I don't even believe that she really believes, which she finds offensive, because I can't imagine belief in a thinking person.
Church is nice. It's nice to dress up and meet your neighbors and sing songs. But to believe that an Omnipotent sent a messenger to desert people 2,000 and 4,000 years ago and left us to sort it just doesn't work for me.
I love the ideals. And devout people are the best people I know. But I am biologically incapable of believing. Alex, who is all of the things, says I lack the faith gene. I don't even believe that she really believes, which she finds offensive, because I can't imagine belief in a thinking person.
Church is nice. It's nice to dress up and meet your neighbors and sing songs. But to believe that an Omnipotent sent a messenger to desert people 2,000 and 4,000 years ago and left us to sort it just doesn't work for me.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 09, 2019 12:55 PM (gd9RK)
Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at November 09, 2019 12:55 PM (XzVUd)
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I guess you might as well go to hell for stealing a sheep as a lamb.
Yeah I suppose so. Its like 3rd time loser criminals, may as well go out in a blaze of glory
Yeah I suppose so. Its like 3rd time loser criminals, may as well go out in a blaze of glory
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2019 12:55 PM (KZzsI)
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Speaking of the Soviet Union and their 5 year plans, I remember reading in of of Ayn Rand's books how the 5 year plans were always destined to fail, but the Soviets had the ready excuse that it was the result of foreign sabotage, kulaks or some other Kapitalist demon who were always ready to wreck the economy.
But the next 5 year plan would solve all those problems and usher in the worker's paradise.
Kinda like Washington D.C. today.
But the next 5 year plan would solve all those problems and usher in the worker's paradise.
Kinda like Washington D.C. today.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 09, 2019 12:56 PM (Z+IKu)
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I knew a woman who married a Brit. She said they were forever closing their doors in their own houses. Everyone she met and visited, they would always close doors, going from one room to the next.
Posted by: washrivergal at November 09, 2019 12:56 PM (xlprn)
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Sup, brother?
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2019 12:52 PM (MVjcR)
Same. Fucking around here. You at WA this weekend?
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2019 12:52 PM (MVjcR)
Same. Fucking around here. You at WA this weekend?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 12:56 PM (IGJk8)
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Trump just said he will be releasing the transcript of a 2nd call to Zelensky on Tuesday, before the hearings start.
That ought to be fun.
That ought to be fun.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 09, 2019 12:56 PM (ZLI7S)
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Tommy Wiseau looks like Christopher Walken playing Fabio.
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 09, 2019 12:56 PM (oVJmc)
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247 A hymn organization just published a book of "gay hymns" whatever the hell that means. Are they odes to tossing salad? The joys of anal sex?
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Don we now our gay apparel, fa la la. LOL
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor
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Don we now our gay apparel, fa la la. LOL
Posted by: Tonypete at November 09, 2019 12:57 PM (Y4EXg)
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Crud.
Miss serious time away from AoSHQ & morons/ettes due to work (REAL morons) and you get waaaaay behind. So much content willowed.
Finally: thanks for the 70's throwback music! Goes great with coffee.
Miss serious time away from AoSHQ & morons/ettes due to work (REAL morons) and you get waaaaay behind. So much content willowed.
Finally: thanks for the 70's throwback music! Goes great with coffee.
Posted by: socalcon at November 09, 2019 12:57 PM (Roy2Z)
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Posted by: Sharkman at November 09, 2019 12:53 PM (U50PB)
Doesn't look that way but hopefully we can take you up on that another time.
Doesn't look that way but hopefully we can take you up on that another time.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 09, 2019 12:57 PM (NWiLs)
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The term Gay for Homos was stolen from the old term Gay Amish, meaning those who don't come back from Rumspringa.
Posted by: Grump928(C) goes full Clavin at November 09, 2019 12:57 PM (yQpMk)
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legalinsurrection.com have elizabeth warren
and bernie hit a ceiling among dem primary voters
Someone asked this morning I think if a third party candidate would hurt Trump or whoever the Dem's put up, I wrote D's for this very reason.
and bernie hit a ceiling among dem primary voters
Someone asked this morning I think if a third party candidate would hurt Trump or whoever the Dem's put up, I wrote D's for this very reason.
Posted by: Skip at November 09, 2019 12:57 PM (ZCEU2)
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No, just the last one. But still, rookie mistake.
Posted by: Weasel
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Let he among us who has not post-posted throw the first trope.
Posted by: Weasel
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Let he among us who has not post-posted throw the first trope.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 09, 2019 12:57 PM (sHVgQ)
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Mass is an hour of meditation on how I can be a better person.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 12:45 PM (IGJk
This is a very insightful, and I'd think, productive approach.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 12:45 PM (IGJk
This is a very insightful, and I'd think, productive approach.
Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2019 12:58 PM (DJFLF)
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Make the Yuletide gay....
Posted by: JoeF. at November 09, 2019 12:58 PM (CqE5x)
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Trump just said he will be releasing the transcript of a 2nd call to Zelensky on Tuesday, before the hearings start.
This is the one where he reveals it was all an elaborate practical joke.
Adam Schiff, you've been PUNKED!
This is the one where he reveals it was all an elaborate practical joke.
Adam Schiff, you've been PUNKED!
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 09, 2019 12:58 PM (oVJmc)
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Glad to hear it worked out for your friend Bob.
I suspect relocation career opportunity is someday going to mean something like "you're free to go shovel shit in Lu-si-anna for pesos."
I suspect relocation career opportunity is someday going to mean something like "you're free to go shovel shit in Lu-si-anna for pesos."
Posted by: Ernst Schreiber at November 09, 2019 12:59 PM (xmKbk)
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I knew a woman who married a Brit. She said they were forever closing their doors in their own houses. Everyone she met and visited, they would always close doors, going from one room to the next.
Posted by: washrivergal at November 09, 2019 12:56 PM (xlprn)
Shitty heating systems
Posted by: washrivergal at November 09, 2019 12:56 PM (xlprn)
Shitty heating systems
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 09, 2019 12:59 PM (cEsBM)
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Same. Fucking around here. You at WA this weekend?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 12:56 PM (IGJk
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No, not this weekend. I was down for a couple nights last week. I had some chores to do at home and had a work thing I needed to hang around for on Friday. I love this time of year down there. It's great for getting things done, and also for just sitting around!
Same. Fucking around here. You at WA this weekend?
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 12:56 PM (IGJk
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No, not this weekend. I was down for a couple nights last week. I had some chores to do at home and had a work thing I needed to hang around for on Friday. I love this time of year down there. It's great for getting things done, and also for just sitting around!
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2019 12:59 PM (MVjcR)
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About a year before Enron went tits up a old colleague of mine and I had a meeting at their HQ in Houston. They were getting ready to start a new line of business, trading bandwidth as a commodity, and they had dedicated a whole floor in their high rise to this new endeavor.
I met a girl at a conference who I think was from Enron. She said they were going to send internet signals over electrical distribution lines. It was going to be the greatest thing ever because the grid was already everywhere.
I blinked a lot and tried to get her to explain it to me slowly. It didn't make enough sense for me to tell anyone about it when I got back to the office.
I met a girl at a conference who I think was from Enron. She said they were going to send internet signals over electrical distribution lines. It was going to be the greatest thing ever because the grid was already everywhere.
I blinked a lot and tried to get her to explain it to me slowly. It didn't make enough sense for me to tell anyone about it when I got back to the office.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 09, 2019 12:59 PM (gd9RK)
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The term Gay for Homos was stolen from the old term Gay Amish, meaning those who don't come back from Rumspringa.
Posted by: Grump928
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The Greeks stole it from us.
Posted by: Grump928
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The Greeks stole it from us.
Posted by: Al Sharpton at November 09, 2019 12:59 PM (sHVgQ)
Posted by: Infidel at November 09, 2019 12:59 PM (dgt0l)
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"Hello Papa, can you come and get us? Mommie's drunk again."
Grrrrrrr.
Grandma already left.
In general terms, what is considered a shallow grave?
Asking for a friend.
Grrrrrrr.
Grandma already left.
In general terms, what is considered a shallow grave?
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 09, 2019 01:00 PM (Y4EXg)
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Let he among us who has not post-posted throw the first trope.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 09, 2019 12:57 PM (sHVgQ)
I read trope as rope. Must be the Epstein thing.
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 09, 2019 12:57 PM (sHVgQ)
I read trope as rope. Must be the Epstein thing.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 01:00 PM (IGJk8)
Posted by: Sod buster at November 09, 2019 01:00 PM (Bf3hj)
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186 Pedos are known to have an unhealthy thing for Dora.
Posted by: CN at November 09, 2019 01:00 PM (U7k5w)
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https://___ur.com/jUJTQfS
Posted by: James Tiberius Kirk at November 09, 2019 01:01 PM (myrLZ)
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255 I knew a woman who married a Brit. She said they were forever closing their doors in their own houses. Everyone she met and visited, they would always close doors, going from one room to the next.
Posted by: washrivergal at November 09, 2019 12:56 PM (xlprn)
To keep the warmth in. It was common only to heat some rooms, usually with an inefficient fireplace. Other rooms would be cold and damp, since central heating is/was rare (and often deprecated as "bad for the furniture," believe it or not).
Posted by: washrivergal at November 09, 2019 12:56 PM (xlprn)
To keep the warmth in. It was common only to heat some rooms, usually with an inefficient fireplace. Other rooms would be cold and damp, since central heating is/was rare (and often deprecated as "bad for the furniture," believe it or not).
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 09, 2019 01:01 PM (pxTb/)
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___ur, that is
Posted by: James Tiberius Kirk at November 09, 2019 01:01 PM (myrLZ)
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274 "Hello Papa, can you come and get us? Mommie's drunk again."
Grrrrrrr.
Grandma already left.
In general terms, what is considered a shallow grave?
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 09, 2019 01:00 PM (Y4EXg)
Damn. God bless you, man.
Grrrrrrr.
Grandma already left.
In general terms, what is considered a shallow grave?
Asking for a friend.
Posted by: Tonypete at November 09, 2019 01:00 PM (Y4EXg)
Damn. God bless you, man.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 09, 2019 01:01 PM (NWiLs)
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I read trope as rope. Must be the Epstein thing.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 01:00 PM (IGJk8
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The "T" is silent.
I read trope as rope. Must be the Epstein thing.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 01:00 PM (IGJk8
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The "T" is silent.
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2019 01:02 PM (MVjcR)
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oh hell I'll just go back to my cabin
Posted by: James Tiberius Kirk at November 09, 2019 01:02 PM (myrLZ)
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I met a girl at a conference who I think was from Enron. She said they were going to send internet signals over electrical distribution lines. It was going to be the greatest thing ever because the grid was already everywhere.
I blinked a lot and tried to get her to explain it to me slowly. It didn't make enough sense for me to tell anyone about it when I got back to the office.
Posted by: Bandersnatch
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Ah, yes. BPL. Obama sank millions of 'Stimulus' $ into that. *fizzle*
I blinked a lot and tried to get her to explain it to me slowly. It didn't make enough sense for me to tell anyone about it when I got back to the office.
Posted by: Bandersnatch
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Ah, yes. BPL. Obama sank millions of 'Stimulus' $ into that. *fizzle*
Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at November 09, 2019 01:02 PM (sHVgQ)
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>>This is the one where he reveals it was all an elaborate practical joke.
>>Adam Schiff, you've been PUNKED!
He's been blindsided, that's for damn sure. I gotta believe there was some serious puckering in Democrat circles this morning when they saw Nellie Ohr and Alexandra Chalupa on the Republicans witness wish list.
>>Adam Schiff, you've been PUNKED!
He's been blindsided, that's for damn sure. I gotta believe there was some serious puckering in Democrat circles this morning when they saw Nellie Ohr and Alexandra Chalupa on the Republicans witness wish list.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 09, 2019 01:02 PM (ZLI7S)
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Doesn't look that way but hopefully we can take you up on that another time.
Posted by: Insomniac
Dang.
Invitation is always open.
Posted by: Insomniac
Dang.
Invitation is always open.
Posted by: Sharkman at November 09, 2019 01:03 PM (U50PB)
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The term Gay for Homos was stolen from the old term Gay Amish, meaning those who don't come back from Rumspringa.
I was curious about this "old term" but it's impossible to find references on a "modern search engine" ... IYKWIM
The term Gay for Homos was stolen from the old term Gay Amish, meaning those who don't come back from Rumspringa.
I was curious about this "old term" but it's impossible to find references on a "modern search engine" ... IYKWIM
Posted by: Enquiring Minds Want to Know at November 09, 2019 01:03 PM (XzVUd)
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That's a great quote by Friedman. Thomas Sowell has one in the same vein:
Much of the social history of the Western world over the past three decades has involved replacing what worked with what sounded good.
That's a great quote by Friedman. Thomas Sowell has one in the same vein:
Much of the social history of the Western world over the past three decades has involved replacing what worked with what sounded good.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 09, 2019 01:04 PM (Af6wc)
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This is a very insightful, and I'd think, productive approach.
Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2019 12:58 PM (DJFLF)
Yeah, Heidi says "being a better person" is ambitious. She thinks "dont swear in the church parking lot" is more realistic. Fl
Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2019 12:58 PM (DJFLF)
Yeah, Heidi says "being a better person" is ambitious. She thinks "dont swear in the church parking lot" is more realistic. Fl
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 01:04 PM (IGJk8)
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@285
He's been blindsided, that's for damn sure. I gotta believe there was some serious puckering in Democrat circles this morning when they saw Nellie Ohr and Alexandra Chalupa on the Republicans witness wish list.
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Not sure why. Can't Schiff just automatically reject any witnesses that the Republicans call out of hand?
He's been blindsided, that's for damn sure. I gotta believe there was some serious puckering in Democrat circles this morning when they saw Nellie Ohr and Alexandra Chalupa on the Republicans witness wish list.
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Not sure why. Can't Schiff just automatically reject any witnesses that the Republicans call out of hand?
Posted by: junior at November 09, 2019 01:04 PM (Fp6vo)
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He's been blindsided, that's for damn sure. I gotta believe there was some serious puckering in Democrat circles this morning when they saw Nellie Ohr and Alexandra Chalupa on the Republicans witness wish list.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 09, 2019 01:02 PM (ZLI7S)
LOL, I read that quickly and wondered why the bratty kid from LIttle House on the Prairre is on the witness list?
Posted by: JackStraw at November 09, 2019 01:02 PM (ZLI7S)
LOL, I read that quickly and wondered why the bratty kid from LIttle House on the Prairre is on the witness list?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 09, 2019 01:04 PM (cEsBM)
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255 My guess is privacy from the parents, in-laws, sister in law and cousins that all live there.
Posted by: Skip at November 09, 2019 01:04 PM (ZCEU2)
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Even if I wasn't a Christian, I'd want the ideals to be followed by
society. Love, forgiveness, truth, humility, modesty, justice, mercy,
beauty, how can you go wrong?
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The Ten Commandments are agreed rules for society.
I am comfortable with that, even if I do not have the 'gift of faith'. Ideals can be manipulated, but commandments are an agreed contract.
Even if I wasn't a Christian, I'd want the ideals to be followed by
society. Love, forgiveness, truth, humility, modesty, justice, mercy,
beauty, how can you go wrong?
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The Ten Commandments are agreed rules for society.
I am comfortable with that, even if I do not have the 'gift of faith'. Ideals can be manipulated, but commandments are an agreed contract.
Posted by: mustbequantum at November 09, 2019 01:04 PM (MIKMs)
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>>I blinked a lot and tried to get her to explain it to me slowly. It didn't make enough sense for me to tell anyone about it when I got back to the office.
I found myself doing the Golden Retrieve 10 degree head tilt when these guys were trying to explain how they planned to trade bandwidth. It was crazy but they had such nice charts and stuff.
I found myself doing the Golden Retrieve 10 degree head tilt when these guys were trying to explain how they planned to trade bandwidth. It was crazy but they had such nice charts and stuff.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 09, 2019 01:05 PM (ZLI7S)
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289 This is a very insightful, and I'd think, productive approach.
Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2019 12:58 PM (DJFLF)
Yeah, Heidi says "being a better person" is ambitious. She thinks "dont swear in the church parking lot" is more realistic. Fl
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 01:04 PM (IGJk
I dunno, man. "Being a better person" always seems to end in getting rolled and treated like shit.
Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2019 12:58 PM (DJFLF)
Yeah, Heidi says "being a better person" is ambitious. She thinks "dont swear in the church parking lot" is more realistic. Fl
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 01:04 PM (IGJk
I dunno, man. "Being a better person" always seems to end in getting rolled and treated like shit.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 09, 2019 01:05 PM (NWiLs)
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@289
Yeah, Heidi says "being a better person" is ambitious. She thinks "dont swear in the church parking lot" is more realistic.
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Well, given where someone is on the morality scale, not swearing in the church parking lot might very well make them a better person.
Yeah, Heidi says "being a better person" is ambitious. She thinks "dont swear in the church parking lot" is more realistic.
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Well, given where someone is on the morality scale, not swearing in the church parking lot might very well make them a better person.
Posted by: junior at November 09, 2019 01:05 PM (Fp6vo)
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Shitty heating systems
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 09, 2019 12:59 PM (cEsBM)
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Seriously. I have watched English movies and read books about how they would feed coins into their 'lectric heaters, many times struggling to decide on how many bars to pay for - one to three- three being the hottest level. I have often wondered about the coin collectors and their roles entering peoples' private abodes to pick up the money.
Shitty heating systems
Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 09, 2019 12:59 PM (cEsBM)
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Seriously. I have watched English movies and read books about how they would feed coins into their 'lectric heaters, many times struggling to decide on how many bars to pay for - one to three- three being the hottest level. I have often wondered about the coin collectors and their roles entering peoples' private abodes to pick up the money.
Posted by: washrivergal at November 09, 2019 01:05 PM (xlprn)
Posted by: Skip at November 09, 2019 01:05 PM (ZCEU2)
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Yeah, Heidi says "being a better person" is ambitious. She thinks "dont swear in the church parking lot" is more realistic. Fl
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 01:04 PM (IGJk
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I tell WW that I've spent an entire lifetime becoming the jackass that I am today. Why undo all that work?
Yeah, Heidi says "being a better person" is ambitious. She thinks "dont swear in the church parking lot" is more realistic. Fl
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 01:04 PM (IGJk
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I tell WW that I've spent an entire lifetime becoming the jackass that I am today. Why undo all that work?
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2019 01:06 PM (MVjcR)
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Everyone in my father's family runs late. You can guarantee it. My brothers and I are always late. Our youngest daughter is always at least a half hour late. It drives the spouses crazy at first, but then they get used to telling us we have to be there an hour before we really have to be there. I am physically not abe to be on time because I have never had to.
Posted by: Abby at November 09, 2019 01:06 PM (PVG6F)
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The "T" is silent.
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2019 01:02 PM (MVjcR)
Lol. Man must be great weather at WA. WD must love it.
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2019 01:02 PM (MVjcR)
Lol. Man must be great weather at WA. WD must love it.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 01:06 PM (IGJk8)
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The Ten Commandments are agreed rules for society.
It was Eleven until everyone agreed that "Epstein didn't kill himself" was more of a statement than a Commandment.
It was Eleven until everyone agreed that "Epstein didn't kill himself" was more of a statement than a Commandment.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 09, 2019 01:06 PM (gd9RK)
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I met a girl at a conference who I think was from Enron. She said they were going to send internet signals over electrical distribution lines. It was going to be the greatest thing ever because the grid was already everywhere.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 09, 2019 12:59 PM (gd9RK)
Hell, that doesn't work well within a single house, never mind over the entire grid.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 09, 2019 12:59 PM (gd9RK)
Hell, that doesn't work well within a single house, never mind over the entire grid.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 09, 2019 01:06 PM (pxTb/)
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>>Not sure why. Can't Schiff just automatically reject any witnesses that the Republicans call out of hand?
Absolutely. And I expect they will.
But now the Democrats know that Republicans know what happened in Ukraine. And if Nancy is actually crazy enough to take a vote the trial moves to the Senate where Nancy and Schiff have no power at all. Cocaine Mitch does.
Absolutely. And I expect they will.
But now the Democrats know that Republicans know what happened in Ukraine. And if Nancy is actually crazy enough to take a vote the trial moves to the Senate where Nancy and Schiff have no power at all. Cocaine Mitch does.
Posted by: JackStraw at November 09, 2019 01:06 PM (ZLI7S)
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Lol. Man must be great weather at WA. WD must love it.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 01:06 PM (IGJk8
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Yeah! 60s during the day, 30s at night. Perfect!
Lol. Man must be great weather at WA. WD must love it.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 01:06 PM (IGJk8
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Yeah! 60s during the day, 30s at night. Perfect!
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2019 01:08 PM (MVjcR)
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Medicare for All will be to implement centralized planning in medical care.
Epstein non occidit se ipsum
Epstein non occidit se ipsum
Posted by: Hall Dall MD at November 09, 2019 01:08 PM (KDTOE)
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Church is nice. It's nice to dress up and meet your
neighbors and sing songs. But to believe that an Omnipotent sent a
messenger to desert people 2,000 and 4,000 years ago and left us to sort
it just doesn't work for me.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 09, 2019 12:55 PM (gd9RK)
They don't even dress up nice any more. Shorts and flip flops. I want to get a cattle prod and name it Torquemada and when the shitheads show up looking like they are going to the beach instead of church give them a good zap. And as they are laying on the ground writhing in pain maybe just maybe their tiny insect like minds might wonder why and do vow to do better
neighbors and sing songs. But to believe that an Omnipotent sent a
messenger to desert people 2,000 and 4,000 years ago and left us to sort
it just doesn't work for me.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 09, 2019 12:55 PM (gd9RK)
They don't even dress up nice any more. Shorts and flip flops. I want to get a cattle prod and name it Torquemada and when the shitheads show up looking like they are going to the beach instead of church give them a good zap. And as they are laying on the ground writhing in pain maybe just maybe their tiny insect like minds might wonder why and do vow to do better
Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 09, 2019 01:09 PM (Af6wc)
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pjmedia.com/ivanka our wealth was created prior to government service while biden made money from it
Ouch
Ouch
Posted by: Skip at November 09, 2019 01:09 PM (ZCEU2)
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I tell WW that I've spent an entire lifetime becoming the jackass that I am today. Why undo all that work?
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2019 01:06 PM (MVjcR)
Hey, having innate talent doesnt mean you dont practice! Use what God gave ya.
Hey, Insome. Listen up. Join us. You'll be in 'good' company.
Posted by: Weasel at November 09, 2019 01:06 PM (MVjcR)
Hey, having innate talent doesnt mean you dont practice! Use what God gave ya.
Hey, Insome. Listen up. Join us. You'll be in 'good' company.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 01:09 PM (IGJk8)
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If Democrats aren't going to deport illegal alien murderers/rapists/child molesters, why wouldn't every other nation on earth send their undesirables here to be rid of them?
It will make the Mariel boat life look like a procession of Saints by comparison.
It will make the Mariel boat life look like a procession of Saints by comparison.
Posted by: Sod buster at November 09, 2019 01:10 PM (Bf3hj)
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Dammit.
I am not good at waiting.
Have 3 Deals in the 'Wait for it' stage, buyers have all they need and I have to sit here and wait on their decisions.
But the worst is waiting on my new (to me) Pinball Mchine, which is on a truck somewhere. Hopefully heading West.
I am not good at waiting.
Have 3 Deals in the 'Wait for it' stage, buyers have all they need and I have to sit here and wait on their decisions.
But the worst is waiting on my new (to me) Pinball Mchine, which is on a truck somewhere. Hopefully heading West.
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2019 01:11 PM (JLNub)
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Pedos are known to have an unhealthy thing for Dora.
Seriously? She's not even portrayed as cute, she's like a child's drawing of a girl
Seriously? She's not even portrayed as cute, she's like a child's drawing of a girl
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at November 09, 2019 01:11 PM (KZzsI)
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Never went there but a offshoot Baptist church near here my dad says requires men to wear a tie to Sunday service. Not sure if that still stands or not.
Posted by: Skip at November 09, 2019 01:11 PM (ZCEU2)
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the keto diet helps eliminate the "go to be hungry" thing ... carb/sugar diets have made people fat, AND hungry.
The same goes for mental and spiritual diets ... Feed Me Seymour .... too many gluttons.
The same goes for mental and spiritual diets ... Feed Me Seymour .... too many gluttons.
Posted by: illiniwek at November 09, 2019 01:11 PM (Cus5s)
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Never went there but a offshoot Baptist church near here my dad says requires men to wear a tie to Sunday service. Not sure if that still stands or not.
Posted by: Skip at November 09, 2019 01:11 PM (ZCEU2)
When I drive by the Baptist church near my house, they are dressed in their Sunday best. Some denominations still respect the House of the Lord.
Posted by: Skip at November 09, 2019 01:11 PM (ZCEU2)
When I drive by the Baptist church near my house, they are dressed in their Sunday best. Some denominations still respect the House of the Lord.
Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2019 01:12 PM (DJFLF)
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It was Eleven until everyone agreed that "Epstein didn't kill himself" was more of a statement than a Commandment.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 09, 2019 01:06 PM (gd9RK)
Dammit Bander! That's the meme I tried to post! Moses holding two slabs. One is in Hebrew. The other
"11. Epstein didnt kill himself."
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 09, 2019 01:06 PM (gd9RK)
Dammit Bander! That's the meme I tried to post! Moses holding two slabs. One is in Hebrew. The other
"11. Epstein didnt kill himself."
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 01:13 PM (IGJk8)
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310 True, unload jails and pack them off to the US, Democrats will love them
Posted by: Skip at November 09, 2019 01:13 PM (ZCEU2)
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Millennials couldn't tie a tie at gunpoint.
Posted by: atilla the Hun at November 09, 2019 01:13 PM (w7KSn)
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Garden thread is Nood
Posted by: Skip at November 09, 2019 01:14 PM (ZCEU2)
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318 Millennials couldn't tie a tie at gunpoint.
Posted by: atilla the Hun at November 09, 2019 01:13 PM (w7KSn)
To be fair, I've tied ties thousands of times and probably couldn't do it at gunpoint either.
Posted by: atilla the Hun at November 09, 2019 01:13 PM (w7KSn)
To be fair, I've tied ties thousands of times and probably couldn't do it at gunpoint either.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 09, 2019 01:15 PM (NWiLs)
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When I drive by the Baptist church near my house, they are dressed in their Sunday best. Some denominations still respect the House of the Lord.
Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2019 01:12 PM (DJFLF)
This is good to hear, but to be sure, no one is going to show up in less-than-appropriate attire---if they know everyone else is going to be dressed to the hilt, House of the Lord or not.
Posted by: kallisto at November 09, 2019 01:12 PM (DJFLF)
This is good to hear, but to be sure, no one is going to show up in less-than-appropriate attire---if they know everyone else is going to be dressed to the hilt, House of the Lord or not.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 09, 2019 01:15 PM (CqE5x)
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Millennials couldn't tie a tie at gunpoint.
Posted by: atilla the Hun at November 09, 2019 01:13 PM (w7KSn)
To be fair, I've tied ties thousands of times and probably couldn't do it at gunpoint either.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 09, 2019 01:15 PM (NWiLs)
me too.
Posted by: atilla the Hun at November 09, 2019 01:13 PM (w7KSn)
To be fair, I've tied ties thousands of times and probably couldn't do it at gunpoint either.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 09, 2019 01:15 PM (NWiLs)
me too.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 09, 2019 01:15 PM (CqE5x)
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Dammit Bander! That's the meme I tried to post!
Well, if you will scroll up to #24 I made a profanity-laden offer to help you post that.
Maybe I didn't say fuck enough.
Well, if you will scroll up to #24 I made a profanity-laden offer to help you post that.
Maybe I didn't say fuck enough.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 09, 2019 01:17 PM (gd9RK)
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 01:17 PM (IGJk8)
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I don't garden, so I want to ask about this:
the average standard of living in England is lower than any state except Mississippi.
Posted by: pep
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What's with Mississippi?
I don't garden, so I want to ask about this:
the average standard of living in England is lower than any state except Mississippi.
Posted by: pep
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What's with Mississippi?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 09, 2019 01:17 PM (13CQC)
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312: Seriously. I have has the misfortune of working with pesos who claim suicidal ideas in order to get out of prison for a while. To a one, they tried to watch Dora on TV. One even bought Dora toys for his victims .If you look it up you will find that sexualizing cartoons are used as lures
Posted by: CN at November 09, 2019 01:18 PM (U7k5w)
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Well, if you will scroll up to #24 I made a profanity-laden offer to help you post that.
Maybe I didn't say fuck enough.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 09, 2019 01:17 PM (gd9RK)
Really!? I love profanity. Scrolling.
Maybe I didn't say fuck enough.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 09, 2019 01:17 PM (gd9RK)
Really!? I love profanity. Scrolling.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 01:18 PM (IGJk8)
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I have seven Logitech cameras that all send their signal over my electrical wiring, can be 300' away ... then from a plug at my desk, into my router ... works flawlessly ... seems impossible, must be Magic.
Posted by: illiniwek at November 09, 2019 01:18 PM (Cus5s)
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dressed in their Sunday best
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You old Boomer, you. Those Sunday clothes (reassigned annually for siblings, growth, etc) were for church, weddings, funerals, standing around at dinners for various sports and service organizations. An essential part of Midwestern life.
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You old Boomer, you. Those Sunday clothes (reassigned annually for siblings, growth, etc) were for church, weddings, funerals, standing around at dinners for various sports and service organizations. An essential part of Midwestern life.
Posted by: mustbequantum at November 09, 2019 01:20 PM (MIKMs)
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I attended a Catholic funeral a couple years ago for my DIL's grandfather. The priest who presided wore battered running shoes under his robes. Insanely casual, if you ask me.
Posted by: washrivergal at November 09, 2019 01:20 PM (xlprn)
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>>Talks with Ukraine on a new loan package are continuing but Kiev will need to address corruption and reduce the power of oligarchs to attract much needed investment, an IMF spokesman said Thursday.
>>Some structural reforms will be "of critical importance" to securing a new loan deal, including "strengthening the rule of law and tackling corruption," IMF spokesman Gerry Rice told reporters.
https://tinyurl.com/y4us7g5r
That sounds like a quid pro quo. I wonder if Schiff will try to impeach the IMF?
>>Some structural reforms will be "of critical importance" to securing a new loan deal, including "strengthening the rule of law and tackling corruption," IMF spokesman Gerry Rice told reporters.
https://tinyurl.com/y4us7g5r
That sounds like a quid pro quo. I wonder if Schiff will try to impeach the IMF?
Posted by: JackStraw at November 09, 2019 01:21 PM (ZLI7S)
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310 If Democrats aren't going to deport illegal alien murderers/rapists/child molesters, why wouldn't every other nation on earth send their undesirables here to be rid of them?
It will make the Mariel boat life look like a procession of Saints by comparison.
Posted by: Sod buster
"The Camp of the Saints" is a how to guide for them.
It will make the Mariel boat life look like a procession of Saints by comparison.
Posted by: Sod buster
"The Camp of the Saints" is a how to guide for them.
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 09, 2019 01:21 PM (o8adb)
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If not much else learned my SS number and how to put on a tie in the USAF
Posted by: Skip at November 09, 2019 01:22 PM (ZCEU2)
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huh?
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 09, 2019 01:22 PM (5ua3Z)
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Ok bander! Then if I can get my CanBob Twitter unbanned I can post it there! Thanks! And nice comment. Enjoyed every profanity.
Hell I never posted on it.
Hell I never posted on it.
Posted by: Cannibal Bob 'it's an eating disorder!' at November 09, 2019 01:22 PM (IGJk8)
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The failure to establish reasonable, working train service in CA despite access to an absurd mountain of money really showcases the abject failure of the Dem polices, methods, and machine.
Working trains that run, and run on time - or at all in this case - requires serious people actually getting shit done, ranging from engineering, to staffing, to basic law and order. The Dems are not serious about anything but neofeudalism.
For all of the complaints about her, we're living in one of the futures Rand warned about.
Working trains that run, and run on time - or at all in this case - requires serious people actually getting shit done, ranging from engineering, to staffing, to basic law and order. The Dems are not serious about anything but neofeudalism.
For all of the complaints about her, we're living in one of the futures Rand warned about.
Posted by: lurker (the other one, but spelled with a P) at November 09, 2019 01:22 PM (67XdO)
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https://IMG ur.com/jUJTQfS
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 09, 2019 01:23 PM (5ua3Z)
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312: perhaps the poor art work makes her an easy choice for pedophiles grooming videos
Posted by: CN at November 09, 2019 01:24 PM (U7k5w)
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The Golden Rodents are beating the Nittany Kittens 24-10. The last time the Golden Rodents were undefeated this far into the season was 1941, according to the talking heads on ABC.
Posted by: Puddleglum at November 09, 2019 01:25 PM (o8adb)
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326: damn typing on this phone
Posted by: CN at November 09, 2019 01:25 PM (U7k5w)
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300 Everyone in my father's family runs late. You can guarantee it. My brothers and I are always late. Our youngest daughter is always at least a half hour late. It drives the spouses crazy at first, but then they get used to telling us we have to be there an hour before we really have to be there. I am physically not abe to be on time because I have never had to.
Posted by: Abby at November 09, 2019 01:06 PM (PVG6F)
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Must be nice.
Posted by: Abby at November 09, 2019 01:06 PM (PVG6F)
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Must be nice.
Posted by: SMH at the way EDKH at November 09, 2019 01:26 PM (RU4sa)
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everything makes more sense when you realize that all the rail projects and their ilk here in #Failifornia are simply mechanisms for politicians to give tax money to unions, who turn around and give them campaign funds, so they can get re-elected, and approve more projects...
it's an endless cycle of corruption.
it's an endless cycle of corruption.
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 09, 2019 01:26 PM (5ua3Z)
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This is good to hear, but to be sure, no one is going to show up in less-than-appropriate attire---if they know everyone else is going to be dressed to the hilt, House of the Lord or not.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 09, 2019 01:15 PM (CqE5x)
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I attend a Baptist church in a rural area.
Jeans are acceptable.
Posted by: JoeF. at November 09, 2019 01:15 PM (CqE5x)
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I attend a Baptist church in a rural area.
Jeans are acceptable.
Posted by: SMH at the way EDKH at November 09, 2019 01:28 PM (RU4sa)
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I attended a Catholic funeral a couple years ago for my DIL's
grandfather. The priest who presided wore battered running shoes under
his robes. Insanely casual, if you ask me.
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LOL. We have had a spate of funerals over the past 5 years. None were attended by regular clergy -- even for those regular parishoners and tithers. One of the relatives got a certificate online years ago and took it seriously. Bless her because she honestly tries to bring comfort and hope. Last horrible service I attended, I told my sister that even old agnostic me was grateful to have such a dedicated and kind person in our family. Regular clergy is apparently too busy.
I attended a Catholic funeral a couple years ago for my DIL's
grandfather. The priest who presided wore battered running shoes under
his robes. Insanely casual, if you ask me.
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LOL. We have had a spate of funerals over the past 5 years. None were attended by regular clergy -- even for those regular parishoners and tithers. One of the relatives got a certificate online years ago and took it seriously. Bless her because she honestly tries to bring comfort and hope. Last horrible service I attended, I told my sister that even old agnostic me was grateful to have such a dedicated and kind person in our family. Regular clergy is apparently too busy.
Posted by: mustbequantum at November 09, 2019 01:29 PM (MIKMs)
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318 Millennials couldn't tie a tie at gunpoint.
Posted by: atilla the Hun at November 09, 2019 01:13 PM (w7KSn)
Much less drive a stick shift.
Posted by: atilla the Hun at November 09, 2019 01:13 PM (w7KSn)
Much less drive a stick shift.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 09, 2019 01:30 PM (pxTb/)
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case in point: here in The Valley, years ago, they tore all the rails out of a railroad right of way that was no longer used.
they paved it and turned it into the Orange Line bus way, with it's own special fleet of buses, not used elsewhere.
now they are going to start tearing out all the roadway and begin replacing it with rails, for which they are buying new trains.
it's Fing endless.
they paved it and turned it into the Orange Line bus way, with it's own special fleet of buses, not used elsewhere.
now they are going to start tearing out all the roadway and begin replacing it with rails, for which they are buying new trains.
it's Fing endless.
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 09, 2019 01:30 PM (5ua3Z)
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For all of the complaints about her, we're living in one of the futures tunnels Rand warned about.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 09, 2019 01:31 PM (oRpiG)
348
"he admitted he'd overrated the
chances of markets freeing Russia, on the usual libertarian grounds. He
said he had underrated the need for cultural commitment to the rule of
law" Eeyore
yes, culture in America is rather unique ... Europe doesn't have it, Mexicans don't usually bring it with them, China is on the other extreme ... they remained commie and played us ... our leaders took the bribes. At many levels their was corrupt greed (not Milt's good greed).
By the year 2001, the Global Free Trade myth was exposed and dead in "true academic circles", replaced with more mercantilist theory. But in the US the NeverTrumper types continues their "FreeTrade" mantra, even to this day for many. And many have only in the last year come to "see the light" on Americanism, and our brief moment in history for Liberty to shine.
The globalists of the early 90s made National Review a RINO entity, and they never recovered.
chances of markets freeing Russia, on the usual libertarian grounds. He
said he had underrated the need for cultural commitment to the rule of
law" Eeyore
yes, culture in America is rather unique ... Europe doesn't have it, Mexicans don't usually bring it with them, China is on the other extreme ... they remained commie and played us ... our leaders took the bribes. At many levels their was corrupt greed (not Milt's good greed).
By the year 2001, the Global Free Trade myth was exposed and dead in "true academic circles", replaced with more mercantilist theory. But in the US the NeverTrumper types continues their "FreeTrade" mantra, even to this day for many. And many have only in the last year come to "see the light" on Americanism, and our brief moment in history for Liberty to shine.
The globalists of the early 90s made National Review a RINO entity, and they never recovered.
Posted by: illiniwek at November 09, 2019 01:33 PM (Cus5s)
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everything makes more sense when you realize that all the rail projects and their ilk here in #Failifornia are simply mechanisms for politicians to give tax money to unions, who turn around and give them campaign funds, so they can get re-elected, and approve more projects...
it's an endless cycle of corruption.
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 09, 2019 01:26 PM (5ua3Z)
This.
Same thing with bond measures to "build and maintain school buildings."
Said measure passes, and the money goes to the teachers' unions for pay increases. ("They haven't had one for three weeks now!")
The ballot for the next election features: a bond measure to "build and maintain school buildings."
I'm not making this up.
it's an endless cycle of corruption.
Posted by: redc1c4 at November 09, 2019 01:26 PM (5ua3Z)
This.
Same thing with bond measures to "build and maintain school buildings."
Said measure passes, and the money goes to the teachers' unions for pay increases. ("They haven't had one for three weeks now!")
The ballot for the next election features: a bond measure to "build and maintain school buildings."
I'm not making this up.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at November 09, 2019 01:33 PM (pxTb/)
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154 It is noticeable that starving peasants never revolt.
France?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 09, 2019 12:21 PM (oVJmc)
The French Revolution was entirely a creature of the urban areas, no peasants allowed.
A counter revolution for the royalists in the Vendee was more a regionally based, and might have had a peasant component.
France?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 09, 2019 12:21 PM (oVJmc)
The French Revolution was entirely a creature of the urban areas, no peasants allowed.
A counter revolution for the royalists in the Vendee was more a regionally based, and might have had a peasant component.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 09, 2019 01:35 PM (FTPn0)
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Yeah, Jack, it's almost - almost - as if corruption is a big, perennial problem in Ukraine. Whoda thunk it?
And on QPQ [quid pro quo].
I realize the country is dumbed down beyond recognition in lots of important ways, but reality is still a good defense, and GOP [esp. Zeldin, who focuses on there *being no QPQ*] ought to hammer on:
* QPQ is how most things get done, in diplomacy as much as any other transaction - it's normal
* the QPQ alleged did not happen, but *if it did, it would be perfectly normal*
* no American citizens have immunity from our laws by virtue of being political candidates - Biden was involved in extremely dubious official activities, *as VP*, given the outrageous/obvious gross conflict of interest with his son's Ukraine dealings - and that absolutely should be investigated
* the importance of such investigation is increased by the apparent role Ukrainian figures played in what we now know was a corrupt and historic virtual coup attempt against the current president's campaign and then new administration
And on QPQ [quid pro quo].
I realize the country is dumbed down beyond recognition in lots of important ways, but reality is still a good defense, and GOP [esp. Zeldin, who focuses on there *being no QPQ*] ought to hammer on:
* QPQ is how most things get done, in diplomacy as much as any other transaction - it's normal
* the QPQ alleged did not happen, but *if it did, it would be perfectly normal*
* no American citizens have immunity from our laws by virtue of being political candidates - Biden was involved in extremely dubious official activities, *as VP*, given the outrageous/obvious gross conflict of interest with his son's Ukraine dealings - and that absolutely should be investigated
* the importance of such investigation is increased by the apparent role Ukrainian figures played in what we now know was a corrupt and historic virtual coup attempt against the current president's campaign and then new administration
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2019 01:35 PM (QDnY+)
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I heard a couple of them didn't make the cut in the recent election. Amazon was blamed, of course (and the blame wasn't entirely misplaced).
Posted by: junior at November 09, 2019 12:20 PM (Fp6vo)
Washington State just passed same day registration-voting. Heard rumors that homeless advocates were rounding up transients and getting them to vote, with assistance. Sort of a takeoff on the nursing home vote harvesting scheme.
I heard a couple of them didn't make the cut in the recent election. Amazon was blamed, of course (and the blame wasn't entirely misplaced).
Posted by: junior at November 09, 2019 12:20 PM (Fp6vo)
Washington State just passed same day registration-voting. Heard rumors that homeless advocates were rounding up transients and getting them to vote, with assistance. Sort of a takeoff on the nursing home vote harvesting scheme.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at November 09, 2019 01:37 PM (e1mEI)
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320 To be fair, I've tied ties thousands of times and probably couldn't do it at gunpoint either.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 09, 2019 01:15 PM (NWiLs)
I can do a single Windsor but not a double; the knots come out shaped like clenched fists.
Posted by: Insomniac at November 09, 2019 01:15 PM (NWiLs)
I can do a single Windsor but not a double; the knots come out shaped like clenched fists.
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 09, 2019 01:40 PM (DTX3h)
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@345 A few weeks ago, some jerkwad made his large historical point that the bombs on B-17's were so dangerous that they were not fused until after takeoff. And then, to be a two-inch dick, he threw in that most crewmen were about 20, and he wondered if any "Milennials" "Milenials" "Millenials" (they can never spell it) today would be able to do that.
I do not suffer these God damned fools lightly, so I took a fair-sized piece out of his ass, and then the next day I had a call, which I get maybe once a month, from an Air Force officer I'm related to. I mentioned the odd claim.
"You know," the kid said, "on bombers, it still works that way. No way do you take off with bombs ready to drop. They're all fused in flight. And, when you think about it, this generation you're talking about being age 21 to 38 right now, just about 100% of the people who do that job are, in fact, Millennials, and almost none of them are anything else."
I would love for you to have the chance to see some Millennials I know drive a stick shift, and tie a tie.
I do not suffer these God damned fools lightly, so I took a fair-sized piece out of his ass, and then the next day I had a call, which I get maybe once a month, from an Air Force officer I'm related to. I mentioned the odd claim.
"You know," the kid said, "on bombers, it still works that way. No way do you take off with bombs ready to drop. They're all fused in flight. And, when you think about it, this generation you're talking about being age 21 to 38 right now, just about 100% of the people who do that job are, in fact, Millennials, and almost none of them are anything else."
I would love for you to have the chance to see some Millennials I know drive a stick shift, and tie a tie.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 09, 2019 01:41 PM (oRpiG)
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I love the ideals. And devout people are the best people I know. But I am biologically incapable of believing. Alex, who is all of the things, says I lack the faith gene. I don't even believe that she really believes, which she finds offensive, because I can't imagine belief in a thinking person.
Church is nice. It's nice to dress up and meet your neighbors and sing songs. But to believe that an Omnipotent sent a messenger to desert people 2,000 and 4,000 years ago and left us to sort it just doesn't work for me.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 09, 2019 12:55 PM (gd9RK)
Sadly it seems that the only alternative to believing that the Omnipotent sent a savior long ago is to believe that the DNC, Communist Party, or Television has sent a savior NOW.
Church is nice. It's nice to dress up and meet your neighbors and sing songs. But to believe that an Omnipotent sent a messenger to desert people 2,000 and 4,000 years ago and left us to sort it just doesn't work for me.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 09, 2019 12:55 PM (gd9RK)
Sadly it seems that the only alternative to believing that the Omnipotent sent a savior long ago is to believe that the DNC, Communist Party, or Television has sent a savior NOW.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 09, 2019 01:42 PM (FTPn0)
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I can do a single Windsor but not a double; the knots come out shaped like clenched fists.
As with orange suits, Ronald Reagan was the only one who could wear a double Windsor and not look like a tard.
As with orange suits, Ronald Reagan was the only one who could wear a double Windsor and not look like a tard.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 09, 2019 01:42 PM (gd9RK)
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BREAKING -- Just now, as he's getting on AF1, POTUS announces he's releasing a transcript of the 2nd (earlier) call to the Ukraine president, *before* Schiff's hearings start on Wednesday.
BREAKING -- Just now, as he's getting on AF1, POTUS announces he's releasing a transcript of the 2nd (earlier) call to the Ukraine president, *before* Schiff's hearings start on Wednesday.
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 09, 2019 01:43 PM (BqBId)
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350
154 It is noticeable that starving peasants never revolt.
France?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 09, 2019 12:21 PM (oVJmc)
The French Revolution was entirely a creature of the urban areas, no peasants allowed.
A counter revolution for the royalists in the Vendee was more a regionally based, and might have had a peasant component.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 09, 2019 01:35 PM (FTPn0)
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This is interesting. The only "revolting" I've seen in this country over food has been when people go ballistic when they have to wait extra minutes for their chicken sandwich or they were given the wrong hot sauce packets.
154 It is noticeable that starving peasants never revolt.
France?
Posted by: Mr. Peebles at November 09, 2019 12:21 PM (oVJmc)
The French Revolution was entirely a creature of the urban areas, no peasants allowed.
A counter revolution for the royalists in the Vendee was more a regionally based, and might have had a peasant component.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 09, 2019 01:35 PM (FTPn0)
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This is interesting. The only "revolting" I've seen in this country over food has been when people go ballistic when they have to wait extra minutes for their chicken sandwich or they were given the wrong hot sauce packets.
Posted by: washrivergal at November 09, 2019 01:43 PM (xlprn)
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Epstein tried to do a double Windsor for the suit he would wear to trial and couldn't get it right. Asked a guard to send someone to help him.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at November 09, 2019 01:44 PM (e1mEI)
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It appears American Revolution 2.0 will start in Virginia.
Posted by: Galil at November 09, 2019 01:44 PM (Pzzpr)
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Jay and redc FTW on CA's disastrous corruption of public/select private unions running the state via the circular $ system. Teachers' union the dominant one. Not sure people would believe how inverted the system is here - for years there have been stories of lobbyists angrily dressing down *elected members of the legislature, in front of their staff*. Mind-blowing. Literally a Third World kleptocracy phenomenon.
Responsibility? 1OO% the voters, as always [not "soros" or "int'l bankers" or "the joooos", ffs].
Recall one of the major issues that resulted in 1st/only recall of a governor when Arnold got in - outlandish sweetheart deal for the *prison guards' union*, of all f***ing things. Oh yeah - other big ones were an increase in the vehicle registration fee [!!], and *driver's licenses for illegals [!!!!!!].
THAT is much and how quickly CA voters have sunk in a decade and change.
Responsibility? 1OO% the voters, as always [not "soros" or "int'l bankers" or "the joooos", ffs].
Recall one of the major issues that resulted in 1st/only recall of a governor when Arnold got in - outlandish sweetheart deal for the *prison guards' union*, of all f***ing things. Oh yeah - other big ones were an increase in the vehicle registration fee [!!], and *driver's licenses for illegals [!!!!!!].
THAT is much and how quickly CA voters have sunk in a decade and change.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2019 01:44 PM (QDnY+)
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There was a hint of that, but they also explicitly tried to make the case that optimistic people tend to truly think that they can handle all of the tasks (errands, meetings, etc) that are facing them within an unrealistic timeframe and thus tend to run late with everything, but that's okay because optimistic people are [automatically] healthier.
Posted by: Muldoon at November 09, 2019 12:01 PM (m45I2)
Something of a circular argument?
Posted by: Muldoon at November 09, 2019 12:01 PM (m45I2)
Something of a circular argument?
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 09, 2019 01:46 PM (/sgva)
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The thing is, people from ENGLAND have that response when they come to an American store. The selection is overwhelming.
A female friend married a Brit and moved there. The Brit is quite well connected and educated (Dad was a Lord, Brit went to Oxford). When we pay them a visit, they ask us to bring ordinary things they can't get there or which are twice as expensive as here.
I read somewhere that the average standard of living in England is lower than any state except Mississippi.
Posted by: pep at November 09, 2019 12:21 PM (T6t7i)
Some relatives of a friend of mine used to do that in reverse, have travellers from England bring treats for them in the luggage. Then I pointed out that there are at least 2 stores within walking distance of their neighborhood that sell English only goods and treats. One is 100 percent dedicated to that. Within a mile of that is a full on English pub.
A female friend married a Brit and moved there. The Brit is quite well connected and educated (Dad was a Lord, Brit went to Oxford). When we pay them a visit, they ask us to bring ordinary things they can't get there or which are twice as expensive as here.
I read somewhere that the average standard of living in England is lower than any state except Mississippi.
Posted by: pep at November 09, 2019 12:21 PM (T6t7i)
Some relatives of a friend of mine used to do that in reverse, have travellers from England bring treats for them in the luggage. Then I pointed out that there are at least 2 stores within walking distance of their neighborhood that sell English only goods and treats. One is 100 percent dedicated to that. Within a mile of that is a full on English pub.
Posted by: Oldcat at November 09, 2019 01:46 PM (FTPn0)
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The standard of living arguments are silly. Europe lives just as well as we do, with differences.
When I went to visit my old flame in Rome last year I had to bring two boxes of Honey Nut Cheerios because her kids were nostalgic for them. I brought home some salami that causes orgasms.
Specialization is good.
When I went to visit my old flame in Rome last year I had to bring two boxes of Honey Nut Cheerios because her kids were nostalgic for them. I brought home some salami that causes orgasms.
Specialization is good.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 09, 2019 01:49 PM (gd9RK)
Posted by: antisocial justice beatnik at November 09, 2019 01:49 PM (DTX3h)
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I went to bed in Virginia and woke up in Peruvia.
Posted by: That irredeemable Russian asset who always says... at November 09, 2019 01:50 PM (EgshT)
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@354 "You know," the kid said, "on bombers, it still works that way. No way do you take off with bombs ready to drop. They're all fused in flight. And, when you think about it, this generation you're talking about being age 21 to 38 right now, just about 100% of the people who do that job are, in fact, Millennials, and almost none of them are anything else."
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Wasn't just B-17s. Everyone did it. This is actually a minor plot point in the old Midway movie (no idea if it's in the new one, since I haven't seen it). The flight commander of Yorktown's dive bomber squadron - Maxwell Leslie - flipped the switch to electrically arm his bomb while in flight. Unfortunately, the system malfunctioned, and dropped his bomb immediately. He was the first to do so, and one or two others did the same thing before Leslie was able to order his pilots not to use the electrical arming system.
Also, my understanding is that bomber pilots tended to ditch their bombs in a safe location if they happened to return home without dropping them over a target. You wouldn't want them going off at the airfield if something went wrong during the landing.
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Wasn't just B-17s. Everyone did it. This is actually a minor plot point in the old Midway movie (no idea if it's in the new one, since I haven't seen it). The flight commander of Yorktown's dive bomber squadron - Maxwell Leslie - flipped the switch to electrically arm his bomb while in flight. Unfortunately, the system malfunctioned, and dropped his bomb immediately. He was the first to do so, and one or two others did the same thing before Leslie was able to order his pilots not to use the electrical arming system.
Also, my understanding is that bomber pilots tended to ditch their bombs in a safe location if they happened to return home without dropping them over a target. You wouldn't want them going off at the airfield if something went wrong during the landing.
Posted by: junior at November 09, 2019 01:51 PM (Fp6vo)
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My understanding bombs on a WWII bomber the bombadier had to pull the pins out of bombs after in flight. Modern fighters a wire runs through the fuse which is pulled out if the bomb is selected to be armed, if not the bomb is dropped unarmed.
Posted by: Skip at November 09, 2019 01:56 PM (ZCEU2)
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the alleged QPQ for Trump was the attack on Biden as his political rival. They tried to frame that into the Trump/Russia fake narrative. Trump was not personally collecting anything, but he has an obligation to investigate the past interference in our election (which was beyond Mueller's purview?) ... and to investigate the ongoing coup. It helps Trump as POTUS, and America, to root out the DeepState mafia. That is as it should be.
But being a prez candidate is not a license to accept bribes. And Biden clearly took money (via Hunter) and brags of getting the prosecutor fired by withholding the money on that condiditon. They tried to backpeddle that with the claim the prosecutor was corrupt .. but Hunter's involvement and known facts refute that lie. It may be technically legal for children to take such payola, but it is NOT legal for Biden to use high office to force favors on Hunter's employers behalf. (the Bad QPQ)
But being a prez candidate is not a license to accept bribes. And Biden clearly took money (via Hunter) and brags of getting the prosecutor fired by withholding the money on that condiditon. They tried to backpeddle that with the claim the prosecutor was corrupt .. but Hunter's involvement and known facts refute that lie. It may be technically legal for children to take such payola, but it is NOT legal for Biden to use high office to force favors on Hunter's employers behalf. (the Bad QPQ)
Posted by: illiniwek at November 09, 2019 02:01 PM (Cus5s)
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That's bullshit; this is not a perfect storm. You design for load, you certify the material and the welders, you inspect samples and the finished product. Unless, of course, you don't.
Posted by: t-bird at November 09, 2019 11:58 AM
I must have missed that day in class. Do I still get partial credit?
Posted by: t-bird at November 09, 2019 11:58 AM
I must have missed that day in class. Do I still get partial credit?
Posted by: Florida International University bridge designer at November 09, 2019 02:05 PM (r6GXX)
Posted by: SMH at the way EDKH at November 09, 2019 02:06 PM (RU4sa)
Posted by: garrett at November 09, 2019 02:07 PM (H6x7p)
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I read somewhere that the average standard of living in England is lower than any state except Mississippi.
Posted by: pep
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All right, this came up again -- was refuted on the Europe side but that's neither here or there as I'm asking again:
What's with Mississippi?
I read somewhere that the average standard of living in England is lower than any state except Mississippi.
Posted by: pep
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All right, this came up again -- was refuted on the Europe side but that's neither here or there as I'm asking again:
What's with Mississippi?
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 09, 2019 02:07 PM (13CQC)
Posted by: navybrat, at large at November 09, 2019 02:11 PM (w7KSn)
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So our local Death By Fumes made national news?
Hilarious, eh?
File it under: How F'n Stupid Are We, Today?
Idiocracy is here. Now.
Employees are literally killing themselves because they have no common sense nor basic knowledge about anything.
One stupid employee at a "taco restaurant" or whatever mis-used a highly concentrated cleaning solution and created lethal fumes by spilling it. That employee went outside for air, which is not stupid.
Another stupid employee went over to cleaning solution and pretended he was the black woman maid played by Garret Morris on the Jimmy Carter/Three Mile Island skit. The 2nd stupid employee tried to "clean up" the spill. Guess what.
He died!
So our local Death By Fumes made national news?
Hilarious, eh?
File it under: How F'n Stupid Are We, Today?
Idiocracy is here. Now.
Employees are literally killing themselves because they have no common sense nor basic knowledge about anything.
One stupid employee at a "taco restaurant" or whatever mis-used a highly concentrated cleaning solution and created lethal fumes by spilling it. That employee went outside for air, which is not stupid.
Another stupid employee went over to cleaning solution and pretended he was the black woman maid played by Garret Morris on the Jimmy Carter/Three Mile Island skit. The 2nd stupid employee tried to "clean up" the spill. Guess what.
He died!
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 09, 2019 02:11 PM (/MlgM)
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I knew a woman who married a Brit. She said they were forever closing their doors in their own houses. Everyone she met and visited, they would always close doors, going from one room to the next.
Posted by: washrivergal at November 09, 2019 12:56 PM (xlprn)
Probably due to a lack of central heating.
Posted by: washrivergal at November 09, 2019 12:56 PM (xlprn)
Probably due to a lack of central heating.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 09, 2019 02:13 PM (/sgva)
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You know who'd be a hilarious witness for the GOP when that time comes in the House with this fake impeachment farce?
The president of Ukraine!
Yeah, Mr President, did any of this happen as the Democrats claim?
Ukraine president: Um, nyet.
Okay, thank you. We're done here, boomers.
You know who'd be a hilarious witness for the GOP when that time comes in the House with this fake impeachment farce?
The president of Ukraine!
Yeah, Mr President, did any of this happen as the Democrats claim?
Ukraine president: Um, nyet.
Okay, thank you. We're done here, boomers.
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 09, 2019 02:16 PM (/MlgM)
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OK. I want to suggest a meme.
Instead of writing or saying the word "shit", write or say the word "schiff."
For example:
The schiff is about to hit the fan.
Up schiff creek without a paddle.
You're a schiffhead.
I gotta go take a schiff.
And for our German friends, "Wo ist der schiff?" or Schiffkopf!
Instead of writing or saying the word "shit", write or say the word "schiff."
For example:
The schiff is about to hit the fan.
Up schiff creek without a paddle.
You're a schiffhead.
I gotta go take a schiff.
And for our German friends, "Wo ist der schiff?" or Schiffkopf!
Posted by: JAS at November 09, 2019 02:16 PM (DBGf/)
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You misunderstand "central heating." Central heating is not the same as a forced-air furnace. Central heating is ONE heater in the center of the house, Near the living room.
Posted by: JAS at November 09, 2019 02:18 PM (DBGf/)
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I knew a woman who married a Brit. She said they were forever closing their doors in their own houses. Everyone she met and visited, they would always close doors, going from one room to the next.
Posted by: washrivergal at November 09, 2019 12:56 PM (xlprn)
Closing the door ensures the dentist won't getta hold of 'em.
Posted by: washrivergal at November 09, 2019 12:56 PM (xlprn)
Closing the door ensures the dentist won't getta hold of 'em.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at November 09, 2019 02:19 PM (Z+IKu)
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 09, 2019 02:21 PM (gd9RK)
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@377
The president of Ukraine!
Yeah, Mr President, did any of this happen as the Democrats claim?
Ukraine president: Um, nyet.
Okay, thank you. We're done here, boomers.
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He's already publicly stated that there was no QPQ. The Dems don't care. They'll argue that there's an understanding between Zelensky and Trump that if Zelensky doesn't pretend that nothing happened, then Trump will punish him in the future.
The president of Ukraine!
Yeah, Mr President, did any of this happen as the Democrats claim?
Ukraine president: Um, nyet.
Okay, thank you. We're done here, boomers.
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He's already publicly stated that there was no QPQ. The Dems don't care. They'll argue that there's an understanding between Zelensky and Trump that if Zelensky doesn't pretend that nothing happened, then Trump will punish him in the future.
Posted by: junior at November 09, 2019 02:21 PM (Fp6vo)
383
Millennials couldn't tie a tie at gunpoint.
Posted by: atilla the Hun at November 09, 2019 01:13 PM (w7KSn)
Meh. I am a boomer, and cannot tie a tie. I simply avoid going places where ties are expected, or else go as I am anyway.
Posted by: atilla the Hun at November 09, 2019 01:13 PM (w7KSn)
Meh. I am a boomer, and cannot tie a tie. I simply avoid going places where ties are expected, or else go as I am anyway.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 09, 2019 02:22 PM (/sgva)
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Alice in Wonderland.
Absolutely nothing wrong with president demanding action on matters involving gross corruption/myalicious involvement in American elections AND the Keystone Coup. QPQ would be fine, normal.
Zelensky is naturally desperate to stay the hell out of all this, so yeah, nothing he says can be taken without lots of NaCl - it's his vital interest to be on good terms with us, which for now means Trump.
But that's much too far above the cartoonish level at which the GOP, the supportive alternative media, and others operate - though not the public, which isn't very interested in this, and wide open to being educated and confirmed in their belief nothing's amiss.
Absolutely nothing wrong with president demanding action on matters involving gross corruption/myalicious involvement in American elections AND the Keystone Coup. QPQ would be fine, normal.
Zelensky is naturally desperate to stay the hell out of all this, so yeah, nothing he says can be taken without lots of NaCl - it's his vital interest to be on good terms with us, which for now means Trump.
But that's much too far above the cartoonish level at which the GOP, the supportive alternative media, and others operate - though not the public, which isn't very interested in this, and wide open to being educated and confirmed in their belief nothing's amiss.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2019 02:28 PM (QDnY+)
385
ok, tidepod
Posted by: boomer at November 09, 2019 02:28 PM (EgshT)
386
Diabetuhs vs Diabetes
*wArNiNg* this video will drive you insane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BME0639IP5g
Diabetuhs vs Diabetes
*wArNiNg* this video will drive you insane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BME0639IP5g
Posted by: Soothsayer, very senile at November 09, 2019 02:29 PM (/MlgM)
387
LOL, Back in the 70's, "Wo ist der shit" meant "Where is the marijuana?"
Posted by: JAS at November 09, 2019 02:32 PM (DBGf/)
388
I don't understand how Pencil Neck can fix the rules of the impeachment farce the way he has.
I assume Pierre Delecto is troubled.
I assume Pierre Delecto is troubled.
Posted by: Northernlurker at November 09, 2019 02:43 PM (cf49X)
389
The holy high-speed grail will save Cali from all of its transportation and environmental ills! Hail Caesar!
Posted by: Fritz at November 09, 2019 02:45 PM (wo3c/)
390
Congressman Schitt and I share many...uh...common interests.
Posted by: Mittens Rombley at November 09, 2019 02:51 PM (EgshT)
391
I'm a moron. Went to Sam's Club One-Day Sale today. I thought it was $5 of each bottle of wine/champagne if you bought 5 bottles. Wrong. $5 off 5 bottles total. So only buck off per bottle. Wasn't worth battling the throngs.
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 09, 2019 02:54 PM (Dhht7)
392
When you think about having voted for me to be POTUS, doesn't it make you throw up in your mouth a little?
Posted by: Mittens Rombley at November 09, 2019 02:57 PM (EgshT)
393
I brought home some salami that causes orgasms.
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I do this on a daily basis.....
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I do this on a daily basis.....
Posted by: Paolo at November 09, 2019 02:58 PM (CqE5x)
394
Does that salami have a newsletter?
Posted by: Sandra Flook at November 09, 2019 02:59 PM (EgshT)
395
Washington State just passed same day registration-voting.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at November 09, 2019 01:37 PM (e1mEI)
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That's how you get PROFESSIONAL WRESTLERS elected governor for chrissakes!
If California is a dumpster fire of fail, Washington is about to become a flaming dumpster full of septic tanks waiting to explode.
Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at November 09, 2019 01:37 PM (e1mEI)
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That's how you get PROFESSIONAL WRESTLERS elected governor for chrissakes!
If California is a dumpster fire of fail, Washington is about to become a flaming dumpster full of septic tanks waiting to explode.
Posted by: Ernst Schreiber at November 09, 2019 03:03 PM (xmKbk)
396
Nood pets.
Posted by: olddog in mo, uckfay ancercay at November 09, 2019 03:04 PM (Dhht7)
397
TBH, at first I thought it was hilarious, but now the meme-ing of Epstein's murder is upsetting me.
It shouldn't be funny. It should be enraging. This is iron curtain level bullshit, where we have to joke and whistle past what we know is true because there is no one powerful enough or clean enough to actually bring justice down on the perpetrators of this evil, shameful moment. Murdering a high value prisoner with impunity is just about as third world as you can get. The levels of corruption involved is mind-fucking-boggling. Who wasn't in on it would be easier to answer. And don't get me started on the collusion of the detestable media.
It shouldn't be funny. It should be enraging. This is iron curtain level bullshit, where we have to joke and whistle past what we know is true because there is no one powerful enough or clean enough to actually bring justice down on the perpetrators of this evil, shameful moment. Murdering a high value prisoner with impunity is just about as third world as you can get. The levels of corruption involved is mind-fucking-boggling. Who wasn't in on it would be easier to answer. And don't get me started on the collusion of the detestable media.
Posted by: Gem at November 09, 2019 03:07 PM (65i3Q)
Posted by: DaveA at November 09, 2019 03:08 PM (FhXTo)
399
Next will come Democrats voting a week after the election by all these new voters
Posted by: Skip at November 09, 2019 03:08 PM (ZCEU2)
400
Weird. My Norton anti-virus keeps blocking Zips place as malicious? Never done that before!
Posted by: t-dubya-d at November 09, 2019 03:09 PM (RZWC0)
401
Capitalize IMG Kirk
Posted by: DaveA at November 09, 2019 03:11 PM (FhXTo)
402
"What's with Mississippi?"
Too many Ss...
Posted by: navybrat
========
I think that's it. Everyone's about to go there and start a business or a school or something, but they hit that wall of Ss and say screw it, Texas has only five lousy letters let's do that.
"What's with Mississippi?"
Too many Ss...
Posted by: navybrat
========
I think that's it. Everyone's about to go there and start a business or a school or something, but they hit that wall of Ss and say screw it, Texas has only five lousy letters let's do that.
Posted by: Blonde Morticia at November 09, 2019 03:16 PM (13CQC)
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by the apparent role Ukrainian figures played in what we now know was a corrupt and historic virtual coup
They were just returning the favor. Like a borrowed rotten egg.
They were just returning the favor. Like a borrowed rotten egg.
Posted by: DaveA at November 09, 2019 03:20 PM (FhXTo)
404
Darn. The Rodents beat the Nitwit Lions by playing better. That seems unfair.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 09, 2019 03:23 PM (gd9RK)
405
As far as I am concerned, Penn State and their nitany lions can burn in Hell.
Posted by: JAS at November 09, 2019 03:25 PM (DBGf/)
406
I wish I had the energy for maintaining grudges. I'll have forgotten you in an hour.
For now fuck you and your fucking fuckheadedness.
For now fuck you and your fucking fuckheadedness.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 09, 2019 03:31 PM (gd9RK)
407
We have seen there are lots of predators all over, no one place has
the corner on them.
Penn State does lots of good work, a big Leftist den, but so is every other big university.
the corner on them.
Penn State does lots of good work, a big Leftist den, but so is every other big university.
Posted by: Skip at November 09, 2019 03:37 PM (ZCEU2)
408
I do feel shame the Michael Mann teaches (taught?) at Penn State.
Posted by: Bandersnatch, camp fire pics welcome at e-mail in nic at November 09, 2019 03:42 PM (gd9RK)
409
Test.
Posted by: RickZ at November 09, 2019 03:51 PM (Y8PSl)
410
Hey, is that your wallet on the ground?
Posted by: Surprise Anal Otter at November 09, 2019 04:18 PM (/UNHN)
411
Also, my understanding is that bomber pilots tended to ditch their bombs in a safe location if they happened to return home without dropping them over a target. You wouldn't want them going off at the airfield if something went wrong during the landing.
Posted by: junior at November 09, 2019 01:51 PM (Fp6vo)
There are those who believe that Glen Miller was killed when his aircraft was hit by bombs being jettisoned over the Channel. You would think that the disposal area would be marked on the charts as an area to be avoided.
Posted by: junior at November 09, 2019 01:51 PM (Fp6vo)
There are those who believe that Glen Miller was killed when his aircraft was hit by bombs being jettisoned over the Channel. You would think that the disposal area would be marked on the charts as an area to be avoided.
Posted by: Fox2! at November 09, 2019 04:21 PM (MwFQu)
412
411 I definitely think your way over guessing how it works.
Posted by: Skip at November 09, 2019 04:26 PM (ZCEU2)
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http://bit.ly/36PvTmv
*******
Greg Rubini
@GregRubini
Eric Ciaramella attorney - Mark Zaid - posted this, about Epstein
- last August...
What do you think?
*******
Greg Rubini
@GregRubini
Eric Ciaramella attorney - Mark Zaid - posted this, about Epstein
- last August...
What do you think?
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 09, 2019 04:53 PM (BqBId)
414
Did Devin Nunes just bring Alexandra Chalupa out of the shadows for the LIV consumption? LOL.
Posted by: Ever at November 09, 2019 04:56 PM (ZZDMQ)
415
so Farcebook and now UToob have orwell-scrubbed mentions of Ciarmarella. Hilarious.
Come on, people, mock the dumb authoritarians like victims of commie regimes used to do. UToob folks - post videos with letters spelling out his name - but don't speak it.
Farcebook users, come up with daily code names for his name, with reference websites where people can check. Or substitute "banana" for his name, or another common word [extra credit for those who get the 7Os inflation-fighting reference].
Don't just defeat this human garbage, the modern American wimpy cowardly soft version of chekist or Gestapo criminals - humiliate them.
Come on, people, mock the dumb authoritarians like victims of commie regimes used to do. UToob folks - post videos with letters spelling out his name - but don't speak it.
Farcebook users, come up with daily code names for his name, with reference websites where people can check. Or substitute "banana" for his name, or another common word [extra credit for those who get the 7Os inflation-fighting reference].
Don't just defeat this human garbage, the modern American wimpy cowardly soft version of chekist or Gestapo criminals - humiliate them.
Posted by: rhomboid at November 09, 2019 05:09 PM (QDnY+)
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https://fxn.ws/2NvLuQE
*****
Iran acknowledges retired FBI agent Robert Levinson, missing since 2007, subject of 'on going case' | Fox News
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Iran acknowledges retired FBI agent Robert Levinson, missing since 2007, subject of 'on going case' | Fox News
Posted by: Deep State is in Deep Shit at November 09, 2019 05:21 PM (BqBId)
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Gem at November 09, 2019 03:07 PM
In my mind, it's a way to keep the topic from dropping. There's a slow burn underneath.
In my mind, it's a way to keep the topic from dropping. There's a slow burn underneath.
Posted by: KTbarthedoor at November 09, 2019 05:23 PM (BVQ+1)
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Morticia
MS is not the poorest state if you combine income + cost of living.
Maine is.
Because... heating oil.
MS is not the poorest state if you combine income + cost of living.
Maine is.
Because... heating oil.
Posted by: mnw at November 09, 2019 05:48 PM (Cssks)
419
Massive greed by the ultra-rich stealing from working and poverty class.....FOR REAL
I went into a hardware store and bought a $22 item and received a couple bucks in change for $30 paid. I told the lady the machine ripped us off for $5 bucks. She asked that we be quiet and gave us the $5 bucks we were shorted.
Then we went to wallys and were shorted there too by the self service register. This is a way to rip off customers and increase profits, especially after public education dumbed down students with OUTCOME education.
You got cheated and shorted by the machine ? You have only yourself to blame, didn't you do the checking out ! You should have counted your change before leaving the store ! MOVE PAST CLUELESS PEOPLE !
I went into a hardware store and bought a $22 item and received a couple bucks in change for $30 paid. I told the lady the machine ripped us off for $5 bucks. She asked that we be quiet and gave us the $5 bucks we were shorted.
Then we went to wallys and were shorted there too by the self service register. This is a way to rip off customers and increase profits, especially after public education dumbed down students with OUTCOME education.
You got cheated and shorted by the machine ? You have only yourself to blame, didn't you do the checking out ! You should have counted your change before leaving the store ! MOVE PAST CLUELESS PEOPLE !
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